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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season thirty two, episode
five of Der Daily Says for May two thousand eight. Team,
my name is Jack O'Brien, a k never trust, a
big button, a smile. That's Jack O'Brien. That is courtesy
of Belviv Devo and my big butt. And I am
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thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,
Mr Miles Gray. This is how we do we It's
Miles Gray night and I feel all right and the
pioneers here around as I geast. Thank you Chapman, Rice
for that. You know that's actually my karaoke song if
you ever go to Karao Gumi Manto Jordan's. This is
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how we do it every time. Uh, and I love
it so thank you Chapman. Thank you for power aks
as weeken. Hopefully'll black out and three in the morning
and do like seventy like you do, still not turn
about sleep cycles. I would do what you gotta do.
I heard that she does it like Keith Richards wrote
the hook for Satisfaction, where he actually just has it
on a tape recorder and doesn't remember actually recording it. Anyway,
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we are thrilled to be joined in our third Seed
by if you want away a K if it scoop
the scoop, if if it is scoop, if it is
scoop boop boop, you if it'd scoop if d scoop
boop if the Scooper the g mix. I had a
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Michael Boobley album and someone it was early Michael Booble
where he was just doing Frank Sinatra covers and I
remember I was in high school and I tried to
give in. He was like my American history teacher, and
I know he liked like all that, you know, swing
music and Frank Sinatra. So I was like, oh, you
should play this. I think you'll really like it. And
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he looks at it and he goes Michael Bubble and
like he was so sure. I was trying to trick
him into playing like rapping like no, Like I was like,
and I've finally gotten this. He was like, oh it's
really girls like yeah, I'm like I'm not good. Yeah.
I like that. He looked at me and he's like, oh,
this must be some rapper. Michael bubb wearing a suit,
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this white man wearing a suit. Well it was a
blank and just had Michael wrote on it written on it. Yeah. Man,
he's one of them, I guess, great crooners. And that
was an exit over the you, which I don't think
was correct in retrospect, might have been over the yeah.
If he first of all, you are the first guest
on the dailies, I guys to say your own name
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before I could say it, So I appreciate. I appreciate
the help. I was just looking at was looking through
the window, the window and having confused Yeah, I could
tell it was. It was a mess, but we're going
to keep it because you guys should know that. This
is how the second rate podcast is second at best.
If he would have something from your search history that
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is revealing about who you are, as you can see
because I snipped it and tasted it in there of
the beginning of back that ass, because I was I
was putting in a taped audition, and I always feel
bad about just because normally you just put like whatever
the character is and the role that it's from. My
new thing is to kind of put something funny in
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the description. So I was like cash money records from
the nine nine. I was like, I feel like there's more,
and it's like, yeah, from the nine nine in two
thousand's and then I was like in audition for Iffy,
so so that that's what I searched. That's what they
say at the beginning of Yeah, it's right after the
beat drop, which I was thinking about it too, because
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the top comment on the YouTube video I found from
this was like, this was like the best beat drop
And it was like when you heard that, dude, you're like, oh,
it's about to go down. That was like some junior
high ship. Yeah, I would it was high school maybe, yeah,
just run to the dance floor. Yeah, oh yeah. It
was like and I'm trying to figure out what would
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be the new generations back that ass were like when
you when you hear it, you try and tweet that
at a snight gang? What do you think this generations
back that acid? Yeah? Off the just once you hear
the first few like beats of the of the intro,
what has you run into the dance floor? Yellow? Oh? Yeah,
actually part that Oh yes, oh that's a good yes
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for me pushing kids down with these kids in here,
what is something that's overrated? Oh? Rated? This is a
very related is shock value. And I've been noticing like
in the reason I say shock value is if you
aren't aware. Push It just dropped the Fire album today,
Dat Daytona. It's so good. But for the cover they
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used Whitney Houston's like drug, you know, yeah, and he
paid lots of money for it, and I'm sure sure,
like he was trying to make a point. But the
point is that Push a t soul drug. So it
was just for the shock. But I'm you know, fucking tasteless. Yeah,
it's tasteless, and I gotta admit, you know, in the
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peak of it, like you know, making fun of Whitney's addiction,
that was like the end thing. But then you have
to think about how there aren't that many black heroes,
so like like you know, we don't have to shoot
under yeah, ship on her legacy, like you know, drug
addiction aside. She's still has been and probably no one
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has topped as one of the best kind of singers
of our time and yeah that best national anthem again
fer Yeah, that's not get ahead of ourselves. Yeah no,
it's it's just it's just one of those things where
it's like, yeah, she's she's dead. Why do we have
to remind people of her addiction? That was such a
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you know what, wasn't it? Yeah, And he's like, and
then we're gonna make it look all fucked up because
that's my new aesthetic is just not much creativity, but
make it look sucked up. But I know the main
reason about that, it's the same reason he kind of
said the you know Candice Owen's type shot is he
wants to garner like a you know, shock, and it's like,
there's more to that, And I feel like they're shock
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value is kind of dead in this error only because
we have real shocking things happening almost every day, so
we don't need that being shocked. I feel like the
shock value like the like a good golden time for
shock value is when things are so boring and bland
that you need to shake things up. I don't think
I think we need to start calming things down right around. Yeah, well,
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you could still do something with shock value that isn't
just you know, absent of real critical thinking that it
starts crossing over into just offensive material, you know what
I mean. Like you can have a commentary on the
state of it's selling drugs in the hood or the
drug war and mass incarceration without just being like Hey man,
remember how Whinney Houston got Yeah, that's like and it's
the same ship of why Kanye is a just a
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superficial thinker. He can think at the first level of oh,
this will be offensive, which will mean they'll think inc
and that's the commentary rather than am I kicking somebody
that's down and already? You know, women of color have
enough struggles that they deal with to them be like
yeo and this is legacy. Yeah, you can show so
many other images that, like, I do like the idea.
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My one critique of Breaking Bad was that they never
showed the downside of like all this drug, all this
drug dealing, which is like all the addiction and people's
lives are ruined. So I mean having a cocaine rapper
like have his cover be just like the horrible, disgusting
downside of cocaine addiction is kind of an interesting idea.
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But yeah, like we don't need to show Whitney Houston's
I mean, he's still going to be spitting those those
coke bo you know right away. Yeah, while his brother
Malice is now in the church, so I know Malice,
that's probably if anything, this is a win from Alice
because he's like, see, that's why I have to step away.
This is that's the devil at work? Oh my god,
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yeah if he what is something that is underrated? Self care? Y'all?
Self caress? And the reason it kind of jumped into
my mind as I had one of my friends, one
of my like super activist friends, kind of really shipping
on the Royal wedding and people being quote unquote distracted
by it when their ship going on, and I popped
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and I was like, well, here's an unpopular counterpoint. People
of color are dealing with so much stress every day.
We every day we're getting some news like we just
found out that Ice lost four hundred like immigrant children,
and just ship like that every day. That like if
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for one Saturday you can just take your mind off
of it all just to focus on this wedding. I
think that's good for you and your mental health. Like
there really was. I did a tweet not too long
ago when I was like, I was feeling real down,
and I realized this because I've just been reading all
these news stories like and I think it was that
one week where like every day somebody because I was
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angry that week because it was like every day, someone
called the cops on the black person for no reason.
There was a black person being like, you know, assaulted
by the police, and it just was like, oh yeah,
Like taking in all this it does take a toll.
We think we're just strong enough to like take it
and be angry, but you do need to like take
a step back and do something outside of this realm,
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Like log off of Twitter, don't check news, Like take
an hour to do something that's relaxing. And I don't
mean watch like Handmaids Tell or seven seconds that's gonna
get your Yeah, like something just dumb and fun. Get
a massage, go to the whist spot like smoke, take
a huge rip off the end, and just like release
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some of that stress, because it is we are at
a point in time where every day, especially if you're
an EmPATH, a super empathetic person, you are, you are
having that part of your brain just pulled on because
there's so much going on and you never think, especially
you know, the aspect of self care for people of
color is just so foreign anyway. I feel like the
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new age people of color who are like, oh yeah,
therapy is a good thing. This is the thing, you know,
our parents have been like, no, you rest when you're dead.
What you're crying about, you know. So yeah, definitely make
sure you get some self care. So if you do
feel yourself feeling kind of sad or angry and you're like,
I don't know why, maybe take a second to just
take a breather, get back to you whatever that makes
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you happy. Maybe you play music, maybe you like to write,
you want to paint, you want go to the museum
that you know around here. As you may have seen
my Instagram stories, Jack and I like to just suck
up flies with electric I saw that because I was
here the other day and I was like, oh, I
didn't know you guys were upstairs fighting a fly the
whole time. Yeah. Man, they make a basically it's a
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bug zapp or like one of those things you here
at night in the summer, like when you're in the woods.
It's just like this is this is like you hear
the bugs. They make one of those in the shape
of a fucking tennis racket, and you just like fucking killed.
It's the most satisfying thing in the world. We looked
insane and people were being like people were commenting there like, oh,
it's like we've gotten to that episode I'm breaking bad right,
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the bottle episode. I just want to say, if this
is why you're one of the greats, this is probably
the most core to the zeitgeist conversation we've ever had
around one of an over under, because yeah, I totally
agree with that, and there is something about the zeitgeist
that instead of shock value, were craving wholesomeness and self
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care and you know, meaning relationships. There was just something
about that Royal wedding that you know, I accidentally was
up for it and it just felt like I needed it,
Like I was. I was, you know, practicing some moops
and just doing uh. But yeah, I happened to turn
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it on and I'm now going to wake up in
intentionally for the next royal wedding because yeah, it just
felt like something going to be one of Williams kids.
I guess I don't know from thirty three years all right.
And finally, what is a myth? If you what's something
and people think it's true that you based on your
personal experience no to be false, Well, the fact is,
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and I'll say the myth and then I'll say where
it came from, and the myth is women fought in
World War Two. Like, and I feel like some people
might be like, yeah, dah, but here's here's what happened.
I'm a big Battlefield fan. I've been playing Battlefield since
Battlefield Bad Company, been along for the friend that weird
like blues piano, remember that, And and like I've been
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playing since four one, and now we're on five hard
Line too. Yeah, I played hard Line. It was trashed.
It was so trashed. But it was funny because you know,
people when one came out, all the four fans were
mad because they wanted modern warfare, and they're like, oh,
we're doing War one and then there and so they
got really mad because they thought, you know, a Battle
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of five would be another modern warfare, but instead it's
World War two, even though everyone all kind of knew
it because that's the you know, but just a progression
of shooters right now, like modern warfare has been played
into the ground, futuristic warfare has, so yeah, we gotta
go back to the basics. Anyway, that aside, there's been
a huge slew of these idiot gamers who've been like,
you know, I just it's just historically inaccurate. Oh sorry,
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there's something else I have to explain. So in a
lot of the Battlefield game they have a hero soldier
on front Battlefield once controversy was that the hero Soljier
was black. So not to be outdone, Battlefield five has
a woman on the cover and people are losing their ship.
They're saying it's historically inaccurate and all this, and I
even or the hashtag not my Battlefield, and it's just
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because there's a woman on the cover and they're saying
it's historically inaccurate, when like a simple Google search will
let you know all the instances of women fighting in
World War Two. Uh. And just to run down a
few Italian attack forces had women in them. Uh. The
British train women to men a a cannons, uh. Yugoslavian
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forces enlisted women and men equally, and there was the
Russian sniper squad we talked about, I think on our
Veterans the episode, we're talking about women who are fighting too,
because that is an often uh, I guess disregarded piece
of history because it doesn't it doesn't conform to the
narrative like men fight wars. Yeah, but it's it's so
funny because it is like the idea of people trying
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to use false history to justify their bigotry in the
same way that whenever there's a black person in a fantasy,
they're like, well, black people didn't exist in like Middle
Eastern Europe when we did. I'm not Middle Eastern, your
middle medieval Europe. It was like one they did. There's
tons of art that shows that too. Is like, it's
a fantasy, so why is why even is that a case?
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But even to your point, you're wrong, And it's this
idea of this revisionist history to justify, in my opinion,
lazy writing and just whitewashed male whitewashed writing. And it's
and it's funny that you know, people are really trying
to because there was this guy and read it that
I kind of ran down the stats. I just ran
down Who's like, yeah, you know, as a video game
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and history nerd, this makes me annoying. I was like, oh,
as a history nerd, and you are very aware of this, this, this,
and this, and he still hasn't replied, which means by
internet rules, I want, yeah, exactly, shut the funk up. Yeah,
a fan of history, I'm sorry, what what do you
consider history? Yeah, just like the idea like historic video
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games and the movie A League of their Own and
that one the women stayed home play basic. Yeah, dude,
I love history Saving Private Ryan full metal jacket ship
like that. Yeah, please read the story of Night Witches
if you don't know about soldiers, female soldiers in World
War Two, the most badass battalion of soldiers was this
Russian group called the Night Witches. I think we've mentioned
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them before on the show. But they would take old
timey like World War One era planes and fly in
over German territory and then cut the engine so they
were just gliding so it was silent, and then just
hand drop bombs out the side of their things on
the people. And people call them Nightwiches because you could
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like hear them laughing as they pasted off like after
like that, Is that an oxygen movie? Yeah? Exactly. Yeah,
I don't know, I don't know, doggy, Yeah, that an
oxygen movie. It should be. All right, let's get into
what's happening today in the news. I wanted to talk
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about two alternate stories involving Hollywood toxic masculinity. First of all,
in Good News, Harvey Weinstein turned himself in was led
out of the police precinct and handcuffs. Looked like he
was pretty high. To be honest, he was like smile
selling and you know, probably totally zand out. It's not
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clear what was going on there, but he thought it
was hilarious that people were he's a fucking sociopath monster.
So I could also see him just being a fucking
psycho and just being like, I mean, you we all
know the Bill Cosby lean that he busted out there
was hilarious just because of how ridiculous it was underlying
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just sort of how disconnected he is just completely just
earth essentially. Gosh, there was this weird thing that was
happening for the past you know, six seven months where
he was you know, we were reading all these stories
about him committing actual rapes and were attempted rapes and
some cases and just sexual assault and all all sorts
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of ship and then you'd see pictures of him like
golfing in Malibu, and it's just like, what the fund
is happening. So this finally feels like there's a little
bit of closure on that story. Had handcuffs on, didn't Yeah,
he actually had three pairs of handcuffs on because of
his girth. He was not able to get fit into
a single because he couldn't get his arms behind his back, right, Yeah,
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exactly what happens if you can't, like would it just
stretch your chest out? Like well, that's just Weinstein, you know,
benefit because if you are a person of color and
can't get your hands behind your back, shoot you in
the back of the head. He's going to plead not guilty.
But you know, some of his victims are coming forward
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and saying they didn't know how much this was going
to help. Rosemagallant said, I have to admit I didn't
think I would see the day that he would have
handcuffs on him, But now I have a visceral need
for him to have handcuffs on. So he posted a
million dollar bail. He turned himself in and had a
million dollar cashier's check on hand, and so it was immediately,
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you know, set free. But he has a one of
those tracking bracelets on and is not allowed to leave
New York or Connecticut and had to turn his passport
into So he's out there. If anybody wants to walk
around New York until you run into him. Yeah, now,
that's what's so wild about bails. It's like, yeah, a
million dollar bell. He was like, Okay, here you go,
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you know, and you know that's a whole other thing
like cash bail and how that show works, and you
know how people with money are able to just instantly
free themselves while people who in lesser situations are basically
like that's one of those things that like trying to
explain to our kids, like, oh, yeah, if you have
enough money, you can just like pay to it and
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let free when you do a crime, and you can
hang out until the judge is like, Okay, what do
you do unless you don't have enough money? Yeah, And
I just wanted to point out because I saw this
earlier this morning. A senior staff attorney, Scott hetchen Your
tweeted out, He's like, my client's stuck on. Riker's charged
with quote unquote violent felonies for stealing bikes for resale
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value to support his addiction. First arrest ever, no actual violence. Meanwhile,
Weinstein is free to live in his mansion, travel freely
around New York, in Connecticut and elsewhere with permission. Two systems.
And that's true. It's like the difference between someone just
violently raping multiple women and a guy stealing bikes because
he has an addiction problem just shows the problem with
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the system. Well yeah, and again that's why they need
more progressive sort of bail reform, that it's actually relative
to what you can afford. So someone like Harvey Weinstein
should be like, yo, can you put up twenty million? Yeah,
and maybe he only had to pay ten percent. I'm actually, well, yeah,
it's your bond. Yeah, that's the bond. But yeah, so
it's ten million dollars bail, but you only have to
post ten percent, So that's ten million dollar bail. And
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he posted, yeah your body. Yeah, so you you pay
ten percent? Like that's how you know? Anyway? Yeah, I
have when I was wrongfully arrested by the police in Watts, California.
That sounds fishing to mean, I don't buy it. I know.
Did you see those pictures I posted on Facebook with guns?
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You know? So I also wanted to talk about a
more old form of toxic masculinity that was visible in
this New York Times interview with the Arrested Development cast
ahead of the release of season five of Arrested Development.
So the cast is talking and you know, the interviewer
brings up Jeffrey Tambor's you know, rumored misbehavior on the
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set of trans transparent sexual harassment and just verbal harassment,
and the interviewer says, you know, Jeffrey and talking about that,
you even talked about how you at one time like
lost your temper with Jessica Walter, his co star plays
Lucille Luth And it just turned into this thing where
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you know, Jessica Walter started crying and was talking about how,
you know, she had never been treated that badly, and
then all the men in the room started just doing
this thing. It almost basically yeah, no, I wasn't that bad. See,
this is kind of how it works. This is a process,
you know, the relationships. Like the seventies, seven year old
actress doesn't know how the process works apparently, but they
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were probably was in Hollywood, like the worst of it.
It really felt like you're eavesdropping on a dysfunctional family
having a dinner conversation in like the fifties, like because
they were like, mom, come on, it's like get over
at all the suns were and Aaliyah shock At tried
to kind of stand up for Jessica Walter and was like, yeah,
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but the point is now things have changed. That's not right.
This is no longer okay, I gotta I got the
biggest crush on her, just just and then yeah. Then
immediately it was immediately like kind of oh yeah, because
there he didn't really get another word. Yeah, Jason Bateman,
really I think he kind of really took He came
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out looking like fucking idiot, and I was like, as
someone who really loves the rest of development, it was
really difficult for me to like hear this because I
was like, damn, y'all fucking suck. Yeah, especially because you know,
Jason Bateman he knows a lot about acting. I mean,
he has eighty eight credits as an actor on on
IMDb compared to Jessica Walters hundred and fifty five, so
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he knows a lot. A yeah, you know, he just
knows so much. It's it's just like we have to understand.
The one thing that makes him not fully canceled, at
least in my opinion, is that at least his apology
was like coherent. Most people will be like, oh, yeah,
I didn't mean an offender in that way. Still, bro,
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you shouldn't have puffed yourselfs out like that, yeah, man.
And it was one of those things where it looked
like a lot of the men on this cast they
were just having trouble accepting that maybe they're bro Jeff
wasn't the best guy. Well, the way I explained it away,
the way I always look at it is I find
that men jumped to the defense of other shitty men
just because of the idea that they hope someone does
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the same for them if they get caught up because
and it's and it's it's a whole process in their
head where like they're gonna be falsely caught up for
something I did air quotes. He's gonna they're gonna be
falsely caught up by something, and they're gonna need somebody
to defend. So it's kind of like that idea of like,
if you see an older woman being mistreated, you're gonna,
you know, try and step in for because you want
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somebody to do that for your mom. And I think
it's the same difference where it's like a subliminal thing
where it's like I gotta step up for him because
I need I'm I'm gonna need someone to step up
for me maybe, And it might not even be that transactional.
It could just be that you're in denial about your behavior.
So you defend it because denial that there could be
something wrong. And then you try and explain it away,
like talking about his process or the relationships on the set,
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like what I mean, honestly, it's Jeffrey Tambill really working
his process so much to say all those funny lines
that you've gotta scream at fun coworkers, and yeah, it
sounds like he's just like a fucking abusive coworker. Yeah,
we've all had them, or at least I have, and like,
you know, there's no excuse for that, and they exist
in every industry. And also, don't talk about your fucking process.
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But just to do what I always do best and
make it about race. That's only white men who can
get away with that. There's like Marshall Ali isn't gonna
be busting any of that out because he'll be fired
so quick, even now, even now as an Oscar winning actor,
if he tried any of that stuff, they boot his
ass off set real quick because there's a you know,
especially since he's Muslim. You know, I've heard stuff about that,
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you know, but yeah, no, it's it is like a
a artistry that's afforded to white performers, where it's like
I can be a dick and all this stuff, you know,
even the same way, like we hear stories of this.
You even when Christian Bale like wigged out on that person,
like everyone was like, oh man, he's yeah, he must
have been real focused, you know, you know, and then
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my man, Kanye says Cosby innocent, and everybody freaks out.
You know, we don't get don't get the benefits, We
don't get the I mean honestly, like, let's not don't
play yourself here, listeners. Lucille Bluth is the better character
of the two of them. Anyway. I funk with Lucille
Bluth so hard because she is a savage. Okay, George, Okay, fine,
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you started all this bullshit off. Great, But at the
end of the day, my god, I mean, I just
think of all the memes I love to share Lucille
Booth not really that many of George, Yeah, no, not
at all. Only remember the banana Stan That's that's like
his big move. But there's so many like sipping gifts
and don't ever do that again. Yeah, yeah, her performance
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is fucking incredible. I just have a feeling about Jason Bateman.
I don't know. I've heard, like there's just these little
hints and like interviews from Michael Sarah when he was
much younger, being like, yeah, Jason Bateman really bullied me
on set, and then people are like, so it was
like good fun and he was like, no, he's really mean.
And then but then like it seems like he plays
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it off like a joke. There's an interview with Vince
Vaughn and Jason Bateman for Couples Retreat. It's like a
presser and they just like Jason Bateman just seems like
he's the biggest asshole in the world. Yeah, with Maga
Vince Vaughan. Yeah, and I think maybe the closest to
real Jason Bateman we get if anybody I know people
say Ozark maybe, but I actually haven't watched that. But
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if you've seen the movie The Gift, check that movie out,
because yeah, that's I think the real Jason Datemon. All right,
we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back hand.
We're back and this summit with North Korea maybe back on.
(27:23):
We don't know. Politico has a couple of articles to
that effect. Everybody's reporting it. Yeah, they're saying that they're
going to Singapore anyways, and that those flirty little sentences
in Trump's letter to Kim Jong un might have had
their desired effect. And yeah, so we'll see. We're just
kind of keeping our eye on it. It's just so
clear that, like it really is. It's like, well, you
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know what, you talk to spicy, so now I don't
want to meet with you. And then they were like,
I'm sorry, girl, you know what, I didn't mean that
because that you're you know, your home girl. John Bolden
was saying some crazy say I can't just let that stand.
So it's so weird how one letters directly to Kim.
John will be like, not funk that it's over, but
if you want to talk, we can talk. And then
they're like, we're sorry or it's deeply regrettable, but we're
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open to meet anytime, any place. So, you know, they
buck each other's language, and who knows if that's a
good thing. Buckle up indeed, Miles, Yep, there's a story
that we're calling spy gate. I know you guys, everyone's
calling it spi So what is sp spygate. We talked
a little bit about this, maybe this week or maybe
the week before, where it was found out that the
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FBI has sent an informant to brush up against the
Trump campaign because you know, in a law enforcement apparatus,
would they heard that maybe the Russians were trying to
infiltrate a presidential campaign. So for the safety and integrity
of our democracy, the FBI is like, uh, I always
said one of our guys, just to see if they
can see what's going on for the safety and integrity
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of president and the campaign as well, Campaire. And they
went to go see, like because a lot of their
campaign officials are being seen interacting with the Russians, and
many people who are around the campaign we're talking real
loud about interacting with the Russians, and they're like, what
the funk? And we're getting reports some other intelligence agencies.
So they went to check that out. Donald Trump has
now or for the last week, been calling this spy gate,
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where he is saying the story is they sent a
mold to infiltrate the campaign, try and bring it down
or some ship. It's like completely fucking bonkers. But again,
when you're in this administration situation where you're trying to
explain away all your bad doing by just being like,
oh wha, actually, law enforcements all fucked up. You know,
they're actually pretty funked up. It's not really what I've
been doing. It's because there's a deep state blah blah blah.
(29:30):
And again, if we really want to play this theory
out that the deep state was trying to bring Donald
Trump down, why the fund is he president? If they
really wanted to, they could have said they were investigating
him from the jump. So like, nothing really tracks about
this whole fucking thing. So fast forward to yesterday where
Donald Trump was basically telling the d o J like,
you need to meet with some GOP hacks of mine,
(29:52):
like Devin noonez uh and show them all the paperwork
about this, because you have to prove to us that
this there was some darker ship going on. And essentially
is the president asking for them to share confidential information
about an investigation into him with his people, which is
why it is extremely unprecedented and problematic. Just think about that,
(30:16):
Just think about it's almost like, uh, yeah, can I
look at your documents real quick? We're investigating around you. Yeah,
but you know, I kind of need to see that.
Don't trust it. That doesn't it doesn't work like that,
my guy. So anyway, so they have this meeting, uh,
and it turns out that there obviously wasn't anything fucking
happening because there was no spy gate to begin with.
This is all about the dark ship that's happening around
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the campaign and the administration. So Adam Schiff comes out
of this meeting basically saying something to the effect not
to the effect of he comes out and said, nothing
we heard today has changed our view that there is
no evidence to support any allegation that the FBI or
any intelligence agency placed a spy in the Trump campaign
or otherwise failed to follow appropriate procedures and protocols. So
(31:01):
the whole thing was then being like the systems corrupt, See,
this is all unfair. Turns out they look at the
documents and there's nothing there that even remotely confirms any
of these lives. Because again, this is part of the
distraction plan to say anything but us, and that's the
mark of the guilty people, because let's I mean, if
you run it from the top, remember Obama tapped his
wires first, then there was all those the dodgy dossier.
(31:23):
Then it was about all those FBI agents texting each
other and that's the corruption. Then there's the fucking memo,
Remember the memo. The memo was supposed to show everything
and show that Trump was innocent, and they take L
after L and it's funny that. I mean, I feel
like the media has to take a harder line and
be like, Okay, here's the new bullshit thing they're trying
(31:44):
to do to distract from all of the smoke around
this potential fire. Yeah, so you know, we'll see what
the next one was. But Devin Nounez, you know, there
wasn't anything in there that would help him because he
has not said a fucking thing since the meeting, and
you think he would be out there with his chest
out on Fox News being like this clearly proves that
the d o J is collusion and Russia, Like, okay, yeah,
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I think it also has to do with the fact
and maybe this is pure coincidence, but I think that
Trump's base are people who their main motivating feeling is
resentment and feeling like they've been screwed over, and so
for him to accurately sort of tap into how they're feeling.
(32:25):
He has to constantly be complaining about, you know, being
screwed over and being treated unfairly because it makes him
the underdog. And it's like, yeah, so you can identify
me with me, the scam artist, pseudo billionaire who's bleeding
the country dry. Yeah, and both of their complaints happened
to be bullshit. Yeah. Well, and then also too, if
you think about like Leslie Stall from sixty Minutes, she
(32:47):
was in some interview this week and was saying she
was with Trump like right around maybe right after the
election or maybe in the last month or so, and
she was like, why do you always like come at
the press like and do this. He's like, we'll have
to discredit you. When you prind something bad about me.
No one's gonna believe me because my line is always
that you guys are full of shit. So he's doing
the same tactic with law Enforcement's just dragged them through
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the mud. So whenever they present actual evidence, he will hopefully,
you know, kneecap the integrity perceived integrity of law enforcement
in the country. Nice try, but hopefully, I mean, let's
let's make sure it's not It was a failed try.
Attempt before you know, he scoots off in the wind.
So before we get to our next story, I just
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want to remind people of a quote we talked about
this interview John Kelly did with MPR two weeks ago,
where MPR seemed to like really be cutting all of
the like really awful ship out of the interview and
like really focusing on the things that humanized Kelly and
um one of one of the weird quotes weird quotes
(33:51):
from Kelly. MPR asked Kelly to comment on people who
say it's quote cruel and heartless to take a mother
away from her children, all right, because the new thing
is that they're going to split up illegal immigrants immigrant families,
and Kelly said, I wouldn't put it quite that way.
The children will be taken care of, put into foster
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care or whatever. But the big points is they elected
to come illegally to the United States. That this is
a technique that no one hopes will be used extensively
or for very long. So yes, these children who are
being put into foster care or whatever are choosing to
come to the country. So it's I feel like this
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is a long term tactic that's been used against children
of color. That's a new abbreviation for people's CEOC. Actually
don't use that one of the canyons, but like you know,
it's the same thing when young black kids are tried
as adults. Like it's why like people can see someone
like Tamir Rice get killed and not bad n eye.
(34:53):
You're making these kids seem more mature and adults. You're
taking away their innocence of being children, but being like,
oh no, these are fun and MS thirteen's Yang kids
probably probably had their parents bring them up here. Have
you seen child African soldiers? Basically like that that's coming
over here. And it's also I think just a very
barbaric tactic to try and dissuade people from being like, well,
(35:15):
when you come, we will split you up, so don't
even think about a type of ship again for him
to say like, yeah, live in foster care or whatever,
like you're not talking about human children. Yeah, So not
surprisingly really when you when you think that that's how
they are thinking of these children who they are splitting
from their parents. The federal government has in the past
(35:36):
couple of weeks lost track of one thousand, four hundred
and seventy five migrant children. They just don't know what
happened to these kids rather than foster care there in whatever, yeah,
in the whatever exactly. They don't know where they are.
They don't know if they've been taken by family or
taken by you know, human smugglers or you know, put
(35:58):
into forced work camps. They just don't know. But that
is something they have found. They've come across children who
have been forced into labor after coming across the border,
well by like families that there or the whoever's care
they were put into. An AP investigation found in two
thousand sixteen the more than two dozen unaccompanied children had
(36:19):
been sent to homes where they were sexually assaulted, starved,
or forced to work for little or no pay. So
that is something that happens, and they know that happens.
This is a two thousand sixteen investigation. And that's two
thousand sixteen, right, and heard fast forward to eighteen and
well we'd have lost nearly children. They're paying so little
attention that they lost track of. Well, you know, Ice
(36:41):
has been really killing it this week with this and
murdering someone. You know, it's really and did you hear
about that comedian that got investigated by the Department of
Homeland Security. Well, he did a tweet on Cinco de
Mayo where he said for every it was pretty gnarly.
He was like, for every ICE agent you kill, you
(37:02):
get to wear one like racially insensitive thing for Sinco
de Maya. And it was like a joke and he
said the next day he got like a knock on
the store and it was like to do and it
was like, we wanted to investigate this, and he was like, well,
what about all the ship that the writers posting and
calling for the deaths and you're like checking for me,
which is a good point. It's like it's funny how
(37:24):
like that's what will gets you check and when like,
let's not forget that fucking what his name, Ted Nugent
called for the death of Obama and like that dude
is still walking around sitting pretty Yeah. I know the
A C. L u is. I think they're bringing some
kind of lawsuit because they found out that their government
is monitoring Twitter and social media for ship like this
and they're like, excuse me, what the are you all doing? Yeah, anyway,
(37:46):
ICE has asked for permission to begin routinely destroying eleven
kinds of records with regard regarding how they treat people,
especially those related to sexual assaults, solitary confinement, and even
deaths of people in its custody. They're trying to, you know,
shrink that window of how long they keep those records.
(38:07):
That's fucking This is just criminal, you know what I mean?
And I don't know who the fuck has to I
don't know do we have to just blight up the
phone lines, hill or something to get them to do something,
because who has to answer this is it? Kirsten Nielsen
at DHS technically becomes Health and Human Services problem because
they split them up and then Health and Human Services
takes them. I mean, you don't want to accept that
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this country would treat children like this or be so
lax in their treatment of children like this that this
can happen. But at the same time, I believe it
because we have such a like a stance with with
immigrants and anyone who is not an American or a
white American where it's just like kind of like, okay,
let's they're kind of people, just like we can't even
help Puerto Ricans who are American people and have give
(38:51):
them the dignity of like running water and electric I mean,
how do we expect them to care about immigrant children
when they don't even want to budge when American children's
are shot down? In cool? This country just doesn't care
about kids anymore. You know. We went from kids or
the future to kids need to just shut up and duck. Yeah.
I've read a theory once that I think about all
the time that the reason that American horror movies always
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have like creepy children in them is because that's like
a thing that we are like subconsciously wrestling with the
fact that we just treat our children like shit basically,
And so that's why we find children scary. Oh yeah,
like that little girl in the hills have eyes right exactly? Hey,
Mr oh Ship. Yeah wait is this because I'm humanizing? Yeah?
(39:39):
So in other words, if you find those children scary,
there's something wrong with you. You need to Well, they're freaky.
They're meant to look freaky. Jack, all right, And finally
we have some gun news. Yeah, some more some more
good news, I guess, well, good news if you're the
n r A. Because they are nutting their pants, they're
(40:00):
wrenching their bench as Jack O'Brien once said, because two
good guys with guns actually stopped a potential mass shooter. Now,
this man walked into a restaurant, Oklahoma with pistol and
he opened fire on some of the patrons. He hit
a mother and a daughter and injured another. But the
only person who uh life ended was the shooter himself. Now,
(40:21):
Wayne Lapierre at the n r A, he must have
given an extra blood offering to Satan or Joe bu
or whoever it is for this to happen, because now
that's all they're touting is, oh, so you see what happens.
You've got two good guys with a gun. They stopped
the shooter. Now we don't need gun control. And all
y'all are soy boys. So not to say that the
acts of these two men isn't heroic at all. I mean,
(40:42):
we have police who were even at Parkland, who couldn't
manage to get it together to try and protect somebody. Okay,
so you can't take that away from these people. But
I think what is disingenuous is just to sort of
have your confirmation by has gone wild with this and
say like, oh, you see, now this proves everything and
everything else is negated because there has been study after
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study that puts the rest to the myth of the
good guy with the gun. But I'll just I'll say
this one stat because the FBI does you know, a
lot of reports on these kinds of things, and on
active shooter events. Between two thousand thirteen, only about three
percent were stopped by a civilian with a gun. Unarmed
civilians actually stop more incidents about and most of the
incidents more ended on the shooters initiative, whether that means
(41:26):
whether they took their own life or simply just stopped
or flit the scene. Well, I have the scoreboard for you, miles.
Are you already for the scores the shoots? So the
current scores for shootings in the US is one hundred
and one mass shooters, one good guy with gun and
one good guy without guns. So it seems like the
good guys with guns are tied with good There were
two good guys with guns, so I mean, but their
(41:49):
scores together there were a teams since this was So
the score is one one one, and it seems like
mass shootings are up by a hundred. Yeah, exactly. Alright,
We're gonna take it quick break. We'll be right back
(42:09):
and we're back. And the big news in the world
of pop culture is I have e d um no, no,
no, no no, that's no no, this isn't the edge you're
uh So, Solo a Star Wars story is right, of course,
you were just joking. Everybody knows you're joking. And even
(42:31):
if I did, you know, like it's normal. Uh So,
our writer Jam McNab put together I don't think I
should be a shame honestly, and anyway, we're getting off
back here. Sorry, that's my fault. So he put together
(42:52):
a bunch of things that were sort of what George
Lucas wanted to do with the character of Han Solo
in early drafts of Star Wars and even in early
drafts of the prequels. So in one of the early
drafts of Star Wars, uh Han Solo was described as
a huge, green skinned monster with no nose and large gills.
And this is this is George Lucas his first thought,
(43:15):
this is his vision for Solo, and his first line,
you old star dog took award to get you out here.
Oh you old star dog, you old star dog. That says,
the giant green monster with no nose, how can we
never seen a dog in Star Wars? Right? I don't
know how to get where did he developed this concept
(43:36):
of a dog? Right? Okay George Lucas? Um, yeah, but
it's just funny that, you know. The thing that people
always say is that Han Solo is like the character
that you identify with and like want to be because
lives a little like whiny and like he's the and
he would have just totally fucked that up. But you're
making him old crane, no nose, green skin monster. Yeah,
(43:57):
and this is my homie, Hans Solo. UM, I love you,
you know. I I think that if you want to
see George Lucas's vision, like pure and uncut, look at
the Prequels. But if you want to see like a
movie that has George Lucas's input and the input of
(44:19):
a hundred other really talented people, look at The Ridge Trip.
Because like because like the studio was still had enough
control at that point and they were like, Jesus is
gonna be a disaster, and so they made him take notes,
they made him work with all the other artists that
were working on the movie, and he didn't get to
(44:40):
just do whatever the funk he wanted to. Yeah, his
wife was a big part of it. The guardrails basically
they kept the thing on the road. Yeah, so there
were people who were like, yo, Han Solo should not
be jar jar binks, like Han Solo should be a
fucking cool dude exactly exactly my green skin No nos guy. Right.
(45:02):
Once they decided to make him human, his first description
of him barely bearded but ruggedly handsome, So clearly he
was describing what he thought of himself. Yeah, he's like
with like a totally tight neck throat area, not like
a gross double chin. That's a weird description. Strong chin.
He's not growing his beard because he doesn't have one.
(45:23):
He he has one, uh, but weirdly, he was checked
up with a female Boma who looked like a cross
between a brown bear and a guinea pig. That's who
he was. That was supposed to be the Chewbacca or
there was also Chewbacca. No, that's who he was sleeping with. Oh,
he had a sexual relationship with a Chewbacca like alien. Wow, Okay,
(45:45):
I think I think we discovered that George Lucas is
a furry before. Can you imagine the original script that like,
no one's ever Seen is just a weird alien king film.
He was like, yeah, and then they yiftft all night.
That's that. Oh it's where Sligo goes in the okay, George, Yeah, yeah.
(46:07):
He had some really weird ideas about this character. Lucas
told one of the writers, Leonard Rips, that Han Solo
was secretly married to a Wookie, but they couldn't actually
say that because it would be controversial. Yeah, Like I
even tell the guys, like, you know, my my idea
was Solo is that he actually he's with a whookie.
(46:27):
Keep that on the low, Okay, So I don't need
to know that. I just now, no, no, can you
give me ride? Um. And then in the prequels, when
he actually like could do whatever he wanted, he had
a whole storyline written that they just didn't get to
shooting because it was like this sprawling thing already, but
(46:49):
they were gonna meet child Han Solo and he was
going to be raised by Chewbacca, which would mean that
the original trilogy is all about Han Solo just hang
out with his like Ed has adopted five, which is
kind of weird or like kind of punks around. He's like, yeah, well,
my Stepdad is my subordinate. Now. It just demonstrates like
how George Lucas is totally out of touch with what
(47:13):
questions the audience wanted answered. Like in the prequels, he's like,
all right, so how does he understand? Chewy? He has
to be raised by him? So we'll go to keshik right,
three jedies deep and uh yeah, they will be he
will be raised by How does the force work? Scientifically?
What is it called the chemical in your blood? Everybody
(47:34):
needs to know that this ten year old human boy
was raised by bear monsters. That's what they want. Um
apparently in the new movie. Uh, I don't know if
we should. This isn't really a spoiler. This is just
it'll spoil one of the worst things for you, I guess. Okay,
So if you this is a very diet light spoiler.
But if you're really trying to go into Virgin ears
(47:55):
and eyes, skip now. Han surname Solo is just given
to him by the Empire's customs guy because he's alone.
So that's your spoiler. Sounds kind of stupid, but I
heard the movies solid I'm gonna well, yeah, I'm gonna
despite all the hiccups, though had me a little shook
along the way where I was like, oh, because only
(48:17):
the best movies have nine directors and bunch of reshoots.
So ye s So usually it's a bad time when
there's like forty different writers on a movie. But like
you usually keep one director. When you get directors and writers,
that's yeah, that's you're in the danger zone. Yeah, but
apparently they pulled it off decently. I'm excited for it.
(48:39):
Are you excited for it? If you Yeah, I have
to watch it for Nerdifficent. Well you don't have to
watch it for that's the only reason watch. I've gotten
to U two updates about having to watch it for
Nerdifficent and has been keeping me in the loop. Super
producer Hannah super du super du. So, Yeah, I'm gonna
make sure I watch that tonight. Are do you do
you funk? With Han Solo as character? I think I
(49:02):
love Donald Glover. That's enough to get me. Yeah, that's
I want to see him get down with a drug.
I need him to get these points. You know he
got points on the back end. Oh yes, Well, he's
like he's gonna have his own spin off too, right,
isn't the next one? Oh? Yeah, I can't wait to
play his cousin and something like, Yo, Lando, we're gonna
come down by don't come down here, you know I'm
down by the space by you. Yes, somehow become real,
(49:24):
wildly problematic. You don't dying about a spape by you?
You know, I got you know you only I only
mess with the with the watch women's you know when women,
you know, just like what happened happened, they're like Louisiana
exists in the stars. Ain't coming down to buy you.
You don't know what you I'm trying to buy me
my own little princess lair. You know she ain't around, Yeah,
(49:46):
but I feel like she's gonna come. Don't burn that, Okrah.
It's just like Louisiana just written on about exterior loop
by you, um Jerome Calarisians on the porch. Oh yeah,
you know what. I've been waiting for Lando to stop by. Yeah.
(50:06):
It's like Lando's family reunion. That's the the movie Oh
You're too good? Huh in that class city. Okay, Lando's
family reunion and like Donald Glover will wear a dress
and be like the matriarch of the family. Don't let
me get my blasts are out my purse. Oh my goodness. Yeah.
I wonder if they will ever have the guts to
(50:27):
make a Star Wars movie that is like a different
genre almost because it feels like all of them have
kind of taken place and felt like they take place
in the same universe. Um, Marvel Cinematic Universe had the
balls to make the Thor Ragnarok, which is almost a
(50:47):
straight up comedy, but I mean they still pull off
all the visuals throw a rag update. By the way,
lots of people from nerdess Sins still haven't seen it.
I tried searching it. It's I have to wait till
it comes out on Netflix. I think I'm just buy
it on Voodoo so that people can Maybe I'll gifted
to you on iTunes if you do that, because thank you.
As I was moving, I stumbled upon a fifty dollar
(51:08):
iTunes that I didn't know I had, So that's like
free money, so that what I gain is your game two.
Thank you. One thing though, I will say, I remember
initially when they were talking about Solo, They're like, this
is more like a gangster flick. Gangster flick is a
gangster flick. It's not It's a it's a gangster flick
that takes place in the Star Wars universe. Now, I
stay away from all reviews and like any kind of
information on Star Wars films. So I think that was
(51:30):
the last thing they said about it. I could be
totally off. That could have been five directors exactly right,
So now it could just be like a big you know,
it's a small world after all, kind of yeah. I mean,
Lord and Miller were originally the directors, and those are
the guys who made you know, Cloudy with a Chance
of Meatballs and uh, you know the Lego movie and
gangster flicks. Yeah, exactly. But so I was assuming. I
(51:52):
was excited about that because I mean that that seemed
like a weird new direction for them to take with
the universe. And then apparently they their eyes were bigger
than their stomachs when it came to how their appetite
for risk and one was dark. I don't like genre wise,
it was really genre Benny, But it was like totally
I was like, oh, okay, let them know that lives
(52:15):
were lost in these Star Wars for real. All right,
you guys know what time it is. It's Friday. That
means it is time for Bloyd Wah. So not a
whole lot going on this week. There's a lot of
royal recapping going on. It must be a good week
to write on these magazines because you could be like
well to do recaps, were never write anything. It'll be
a special collector's edition. Um Star got a little bit
(52:38):
messy and their cover is thirty most Hated TV Hosts.
And however you have Kelly RiPP a phony backstabber, Megan
Kelly at war with Savannah and Hoodah Bill, Maher Biggott
and sex fiend. But I mean, yeah, I'm totally discover
(53:00):
with Superhead to me or black. But once you get
into the article, it really comes off as more like
Trump's burn book. Let's see Megan Kelly, but she had
something to say about Yeah, Hannity isn't there. But Rosie O'Donnell,
Rosie O'Donnell hasn't been a TV host for like years?
(53:23):
What the funk? Yeah? No, man, that's because they checked
with Trump on that ship. Then is Jerry Springer on there,
Barack Obama and whatever it's gonna be like, or and
there's like Sally Yates like the a g wait, what
she not even on the TV. It's becoming really transparent.
Speaking of the Obama thing, they had Letterman on their Letterman. Yeah,
(53:46):
so it's just like, yeah, the people hate Letterman again.
We say this all the time. But David Pecker, the
Trump's tablet god, is Trump's holm me. So I'm sure
you had a little input or at this point, I
think they just know how to write him because they wait,
if you said anything hot about the Donald, then you
will be listed. Yeah, because I'm pretty sure you couldn't
(54:07):
have an objective list about most TV most hated TV
hosts and not mentioned Kathie Lee. Yeah. Uh. And then
the National enquire the cover shout Toda fired, thank you,
the secret plot that will cost anchor her job revealed,
but she hasn't been fired, so uh. If as always,
(54:31):
it's been a pleasure having you. Where can people find you?
You know you can find me on Twitter, Instagram, if
you why the way, I f y n W I
D I w E twitch at if d's you know,
been real conflicted playing Conan Exiles because it's a real
fun survival game. You can capture slaves, and I've only
been capturing white slaves. That's my only rule, as you
(54:54):
only only white slaves in my camp. Yeah, whoa interesting
capturing slaves and the wick with its type it's called
like it's kind of like do you remember rust. H Well,
it's like it's a comvival game. Yeah, it's like a
survival game where like you you can like build, you
can find resources and you can make like a base
home carpentry and technically you don't have to capture slaves.
(55:17):
Just speeds up the process. Of course I'm gonna do it.
I like the lesson there. Now you could do it
all yourself. But if you force these people into you
can get that ship, you know, and they say, we
didn't build this, but it takes yeah, it takes place
in the Conan universe. So it's like, so that's why
it's like like that ex pope in their masturbating bear. No, no, no, no,
(55:40):
not that preparation, oh Coonan. But but they call them thralls.
I like that. They're like, we're not going to call
them slaves. I'm like, I get that, but still because
they're so enthralled with their situation. See, guys, they like it.
They're happy. Speaking of who built this country? Did you
all get a chance to talk about the National the souses.
(56:01):
Uh Hamilton's tweet, No note, we don't even we don't
even give that guy in here. Yeah, oh man, I
told him to hisself down there, you know, get a
you know, good old pun. There the funk out of here,
you know. Just iff he thinks I'll see you'all on Twitter.
Just diffy stuff. Miles, where can people find you? Find
me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray and
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Guys on Monday, who will be answering some of the
questions you submitted to us, So stick around for that
to day. Yeah, just a little behind the scenes, just
Miles and Jack episode where we answer some of your questions,
talk about us, talk about us. Take behind the scenes,
all right. You can find me at Jack Underscore O'Brien
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on Twitter. You can find us at Daily Z Guys
on Twitter. We're at the Daily Z Guys on Instagram.
We have Facebook fan page and a website daily dot
Com where we post our episodes and our foot to
the information that was in the episode today, Uh the sources,
and we also link off to the song that we
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ride out on. Miles. What are we gonna ride out
on this week? Wow? Let me think? Uh, I want
to kick the weekend off, right, This is gonna be
a good weekend. So let's do a track this week
for Friday, We'll do Tears to forty five mixed by
the l Michael's Affair. Now, this is a guy who
basically like flipped a lot of sampled music from Isaac
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Hayes or like Wu Tang songs and put them together
with bands. I've played tracks like this before, but this
is like of a I believe a League Fields track
that uh yeah, after the laughter our tears. So this
is Tears forty five mix. You might recognize some of
the sounds in there because they have this sampled. Yeah,
take that into your weekend, alright, and we're gonna write
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out on that. We will be back on Tuesday with
another episode of The Daily Zeitgeist and a special episode
for you guys. On Monday, we will talk to you
guys in have a good long weekend. By Spory Hafter
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