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Speaker 1 (00:05):
There's a there's something that there are some hook they're
so fucking ugly. I'm like, bro, do not come near
me wearing those shoes like you're gonna you're gonna hook,
You're gonna say the N word. I don't know why
they're so dripless that they freak me the fuck out,
which is funny because they have ones that are super cool,
but there's some that just looks so fucking hokah that
(00:27):
they freak me out. It's like wearing like an underarm
or camo hoodie near this conversations about to go. I
had a one friend who's like, I had to do it, man,
It's like my feet, bro, just like you know, my
my orthopedis was like I have to wear these shoes
and I'm like it's fine, bro, and he's like he's
like they just look really bad. I'm like, you look comfortable.
Did you get the shitty ones? Was like, okay, you
(00:48):
do have to buy these, And unfortunately they have to
be the ones that look like shit. That's actually part
of it for me. It does it have to have
this thin blue line logo like these are custom, dude.
I'm telling you these are pret you need these specific ones,
dude like Holkas Thin Blue Line collab, Hoka x Thin
Blue Line Yo. One one shoe is thin Blue Line,
(01:09):
the other ones All lives matter? What is this? Dude?
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, seventy eight,
Episode two of der Nightley's Dice. It's a production ByHeart Radio.
It's a podcast where we take a deep dab into
American share capchiness. And it's Tuesday, March fourth, twenty five. Yeah,
(01:35):
the fourth be with Nope, that's not the one. No,
go ahead, let me try the fourth be with you. Yeah,
let's try that. It's also National Sun's Day. And then
it's also and you'll have to forgive me. There's just
a lot of Reich vibes in the air. It's also
Fast Knocked Day, and I was like, what the fuck
(01:55):
is that? That's actually it's the day before ash Wednesday,
not Fast in the Night. So yes, that's what that's
what that means. I was like, what the fuck is
going on here? It's also Marching Music Day. Shout out
marching bands. That's me. It's Fat Tuesday. This would be
the day before as Wednesday, National Grammar Day, National hug
a g I Day, unless you're the Veterans Affairs Department,
in which case you're like, y'all need to get the
(02:16):
funk away from our way, and you're making us nervous. Stop.
Thank you, thank you for doing violence in service of
the empire. Please get away with the pro hugs.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Like we're going to replace all v A Care.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
With with hugs. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, we're going to cancel the Veterans Suicide Hotline and
replace it children with Huh.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But you guys hug each other. We're not doing the hugging. Yeah, yeah,
we're not involved with that, just like can you figure
that on your own? Now? So National pound.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Cake Day, dude, I love pound cake. Yeah sorry, I
just want to remind everyone that a cold Sarahly pound
cake with strawberries and ice cream or what, it's just
a classic. It's yummy.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Turn it down. My mom, like whenever I had strawberries
and stuff, she never did like that thing where I've
noticed in the American households or like in a dessert context,
you put a little sugar and like like a little
syrup like with the strawberries to get them tasting sweeter,
like for a little topping. The first time I had that,
I thought the person was like drugging because I couldn't
believe that the strawberries were like so sweet. And I
(03:19):
just remember my immigrant mother being like, I would never
put you what he talked about. It's fruit. It doesn't
need more sugar.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But then when you in the middle of you were like, Okay,
I'm gonna finish this. But if they're drugging me, it's.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Fine, Yeah, it's fine whatever. Yeah, yeah, a little sugar
on this dessert. Sprinkle a little sugar on this shit.
I mean that ship it's dope because strawberries, most of
the time, they never taste like what you want them
to be, especially as a kid. You're you're you're expecting
the most intensely sweet fruit and then it just ends
up not being that. With this.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Nice fresh strawberry, it looks like it's slept over from
a child.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That's one of his canker sores. He just pulled his
lip down. How is my little slice strawberry from my
olmah shout out to my mother in law. Yeah sweet,
super sweet, damn all right, let me come come over.
I dipped it in a vanilla frosting, so that's how
I get down. Now it's just pure uncut fruit. Damn.
(04:17):
Actually did look halved, so you can't say it was halved. Mmm.
I'm sorry to our listeners who don't like people chewing
on Mike. Yeah, you mentioned you mentioned fruit. I've got
it at end. Yes, I am fucking bawling. Anyways, my
name is Jack O'Brien aga. Well, it seems to me
(04:37):
you missed that drone. Now your sandals in the wind?
That one courtesy of Elton John and Blinky Hack on
the discord, in reference to the Drake Cliff allegedly fake
where so fluid drone to his penthouse, zoomed in on
his laptop, He came out, threw his sandal off the roof.
(05:00):
I don't be an attempt to take the drone down.
I don't. I still can't. My problem is not like, well,
it didn't look it looked fake as hell. It looked
faked as hell. I don't know what he to what end?
Was he faking it? Is my question because he didn't
make it. The other thing is I did do this, AKA.
So that's two days in a row people have heard
(05:21):
that AKA, but I think we will leave its worth it. Heck,
great work on double dip the Double Dip Award for
Blinky Heck, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by
my co host, mister Miles brad Well. It seems to
me that you live your life now, your sandal's in
the wind. Let's do it three times blink, God damn,
(05:43):
let's go for it. Yeah. That was a terrible, terrible,
fake staged thing for Steak. Drake also posted over the
weekend just a Steak logo and was basically like, bro,
they I need two million dollars to win, and they
they'll give it to me if I just post this.
It's an ad. I'm desperate, Okay, moving on.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
He's selling Omaha steaks now, yeah he's he is. Yeah,
he's coupon's Kirkland brand coupons like Costco coupons to Omaha steak.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
No, not even just yeah. I wish they were useful.
It's purely self serving. He's like, folks, I have an
online slot machine problem. This is why I'm posting this
on Maine. Leave me alone. And by the time it
got to me, the screen was blurred out, so it
just looked like he was looking at porn. Like they
caught him looking at porn. I think someone was just like,
(06:30):
we're not letting you do this ad here? Right. I
think that was just a smart thing to be.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Like, nah, no this is Is this an ad for
a shirt with a swastik on it?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
No, I no, no, can't.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
On social media, miles were thrilled to be joined once
again in our third see by a brilliant comedian, writer, journalist,
activists you know from plays like Al Jazeera, MSNBC, The
Young Turks and from the podcast The Situation Room. It's
Francesca Furantina to say, is it tail right?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Will watch this with what Jahad Ali Tuesdays and Thursdays
on YouTube eight pm Easter and five pm Pacific. Yeah, it's,
as we're calling it, America unhinged. We're looking at the
first hundred days of Trump's administration. There goes my mental health.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Wait, what happens on the after one hundred days they
cancel the show?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, it's all exactly. It gets canceled because we fixed
it and it's all better and our analysis has made
everything right.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I don't know, like a network goes well, you guys
said it was about the first hundred days, so we
didn't renew it.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, I mean Look, we'll see if Zeitel wants to
keep us on, but either way everyone should check it
out so you know we have more reason to stay.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's many Hassan's network, right, Yes, it is. Well,
speaking of fixed it, I don't know if you saw,
but the Democrats have fixed it. We'll be talking about
that in a little bit. But they they figured out
how to after you know, being the part of the
brand behind move on, or they have figured out how
(08:01):
to move on. They have a path forward and it
is it's it's about what you would expect from them,
exactly what you would expect from them if quite literally, yeah,
if they were just incapable of learning like any lessons
from their own failures, I'm so scared. Well, we'll talk
(08:21):
about that. We'll say a fond farewell to Skype, all
of that plenty more, But before we get to any
of that franchise, but we do like to ask our guests,
what is something from your search history that's revealing about
who you are?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Can you feed a cat dog food?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Why did this happen? Why did I search this? Because
my husband at leab like the equivalent of my wife. Well,
it's it's it's millennia, saying my husband, my husband, Okay, husband,
he bought the the.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Dog food for the cat, and so I wanted to know,
can you feed that the cat's dog food? It turns
out you can, but it doesn't have the proper nutrients,
so only for a little bit. And that little bit
was this morning when she puked.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh really, wait, so because it's so good different, No, the.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Puking was definitely because she got a good can of
food this morning and she liked it, so she scarfed
it too fast. But then I immediately was like, okay,
it's been five days of us knowing that this is
dog food, maybe like a week or fifteen days of
it actually being dog food, and so we need to
swap this shit out. So yes, but yes, there are
some nutrients that cats need. The dogs don't. Dogs I
(09:45):
think can eat more veggies. They're like dogs are super down.
And in fact, it's good to feed dogs like colorful
foods like carrots and sweet potatoes. That stuff is good
for them. But cats need just meat they need oh wow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
And also I've been looking up cat health insurance and
it's also a racket. Everything about vet insurance is a
fucking racket. Everything about veterinary care and animal care is
a racket. And yeah, you know, but I'm like, I'm
like it's awful. I'm like, okay, you know what, go
(10:20):
under the house and die, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's just.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
That's how veterinarians feel too. They're like, it's so fun.
I can't even give care because the fucking mandate I
get from the corporate overlords is to just like be like, dude,
just deny anything. Just tell them the pets are gonna die.
You can't do anything for him because it's too We're
not going to cover that.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Shiit just no, it is so wild, Like two hundred
and sixty dollars for a urine test. Excuse me, how
two hundred and sixty dollars to test the urine for you?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
My exactly, sh it tastes off. I'll know right away
exactly less than two hundred and sixty bucks.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
No, But seriously, I'm just like, can we I understand obviously,
you know, free Luigi, we need universal medicare for all.
We need to abolish the private h you know, healthcare
system in this country. But also we need medicare for
all for cats. So yes, a lot of a lot
of feline stuff in my search history.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I gotta tell you, the Democrats are not gonna like
that talking point medicare for all four cats, Francisco. We're
trying to we're trying to get that big D Democrat
podcast or spot and I don't just do you, guys
Rogan of the Left, please, we've already applied. They gave
us a swift and unambiguous no, you may not. They
(11:35):
said Jack wasn'tbelievable, was a tough guy, and I was
quote not white. Yeah. I tried to act like I
knew what m m A was an episode, Yeah you're
talking about. Yeah, it's pretty good for like depression, Like
a lot of people are like tinkering with it. It
was like an ecstasy. But now like m m A
(11:56):
therapy is like really they're like get this all right?
Well that's good to know. That's helpful information that we're
learning up top. Franchisa, what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I guess I just love this person and she's my
new favorite person. So I'm like, any accolades or any
love she's getting is not nearly enough. But Cynthia Arrivo
is the best thing ever and I am in love
with her, and she's got an amazing voice, and hearing
her perform, you know, defying gravity on the Oscar stage
(12:32):
and just like crushing every single part of it, and
just like her voice and like like that could keep
me going. I just need to listen to that every morning,
and I feel like I'll be okay. I feel like,
all right, maybe I don't need to move to Ireland
slash Costa Rica or wherever the hell. You know, Yeah,
I might go, like, maybe I'll be fine. We say,
(12:52):
we fight, we defy gravity. She's just so talented and yes, yeah, whatever, Okay.
I think, you know, Ariana Grech, she was gonna be
my overrated but I like, I'm I don't want to
make it hateful against her. I just like I want
a Harold Cynthia Rivo and she deserves everything.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ariana ground. I saw that bride'smaid sketch
for the first time on SNL when they're talking about
Domingo and yeah, well the original origin they came back.
The first one was Ariana Grande and the way she
killed those bad notes, I was like, it takes an
amazing singer to do bad singing that well.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
She's also very funny, like I think as a comedic actress,
she's really good. But Cynthia Rivo's voice, Cynthirivo's acting, Cynthiarivo
just like as a person, as a vibe, as a
like how how, I don't know. She's just so fly.
I love it everything about her.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah. I just remember being so shocked at how talented
Cynthia Rivo was because I was like, so again unfamiliar
with her game starting out, and then like just adding
all these just talents on top of each other. I
was like, holy shit, Okay, I see you. Yeah, I
think it's little selfish. Actually how much how talented she is,
(14:03):
it's too much, not fair.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, I didn't even see I didn't see Harriet, So
I would like to go back and watch.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It maybe for her, right, right, leave some for us,
leave some clubs for us, that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, that was me enjoying the Oscars thinking that she
was incredible.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Is what's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I think the twenty twenty eight election is overrated, meaning
I don't think we're gonna make it that far, and
I don't think it's gonna happen. So I think everyone
who's putting too much faith in electoralism to get us
out of this massive hole is not thinking short term enough.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
But what about the mid terms that are coming up?
Get to the mid terms.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think the midterms are good. I also think that
this is an administration that will openly defy the.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Will of Congress and define gravity and to fight gravity.
That's actually what that sounds about. Yeah, exactly, the vaporization
of the twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I mean, define gravity is about like not actually believing
in gravity because it's a social construct and it's made up, and.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So is electoral politics.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yes, just like electoral politics. But I'm like.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Ideally interesting Rogan episodes about how gravity is a social
construct if you just think about it, get high enough,
and you're not getting you're not getting the part. I'm
just saying, he's really good.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
They already said no, but yeah, so I'm just like, ah,
we need to stop like hoping and wishing and thinking
about the future. It's it's like, I don't even know
if this shit's going to hold till next week or
a month from now. I'm looking at like the this
year and for sure, the ability to override. You know,
they'll they'll try to override whatever Congress wants. I'm excited
(15:49):
to get all these Republicans who are being chanted down
in town halls out of their seats in the midterms,
and so that's really good. I do think the backlash
will be swift and strong. But I like, I don't know, folks,
twenty twenty eight, it's like who knows.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, it feels like little If you can't.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Stop him here, what is to like, stop relying on elections.
I'm sorry. The reason that we're fucking in this point
is because we're like, well, you know what, well, well,
when I get it at the ballot box, yeah, well, yeah,
he incited an erect insurrection in erection direction.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
He incited as you know, I mean, obviously Chuck Schumer
is aroused, but he incited insurrection.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That's illegal. He shouldn't be able to run for office
under our constitution. Brazil just did it with Bolsonario. But
you not like to leave it to the ballot, ballot.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Leave it to the voters. It's so yeah, it's it's
it's not useful, it doesn't help anyone. It it also
like can it I don't know, like you know a
way it allows people to just sort of be like,
don't just don't worry about it right now. It's like no, no, no,
we need to be engaged right now. Like this isn't that,
This isn't a thing you can put off and doesn't
mean you have to go full blown panicking in the street.
(17:00):
But to act as if there's going to be a
tidy solution that you just show up on a Tuesday
in November and it goes away. No, And the biggest
problems in this country have not gone away because people
showed up on a random Tuesday in November. It's just
not how that shit works.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
No. And every single time he is allowed to run,
which I think he will try to do again, it
just further I don't know. I'm just like, how much
renormalizing him And people are like, oh, well, he won't
be able to run again. Of course he's gonna run again.
Of course he's gonna try to run again. Of course
he's going to extend. He's not a limits, he's not.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Allowed too though, So I think we're good. Yeah, oh yeah.
So this is a thing that I also believe and
have believed like since the like first three days of
the administrators. I was like, oh, yeah, this is a rap,
But like I am curious, like what does it look
like when we don't have the election? Is it like
just a sham election where all the rules are being
(17:52):
bent and there's absolutely no you know, confidence that the
votes are being counted. Maybe like some sort of federal
author already comes and intervenes because they've like alleged all
this voter fraud or what.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Then there have to be elections. I mean, I think
there have to be some some some mock elections like
even you know, Putin's Russia as elections, right exactly. I
mean I do think you know, when starlink has full
control of like how we count our votes and centralizes that,
you know, how do we think it's all going to
(18:26):
come down? So yeah, I think there's just going to
be like ballot stuffing but via data. I mean, that's
my that's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, there's not there's too much momentum for people to
still think elections are needed, you know, that it can't
just be like all right, we're not doing them anymore.
And it was like, oh okay, because there's still there's
still plenty of like conservatives that like still romanticize the
idea of like winning at the ballot box.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
So and I also think that there could I mean,
if if you want to stall elections or you want
to not have them, you basically have to create some
sort of either internal external war, so you spend elections, right,
you used to spend elections because of wartime. So hey,
if we're fighting the enemy from within, or if there's
an actual invasion, or if we reclassify you know, everyone
is terrorists, well then we're fighting a war on terror
(19:11):
and we can't have an election because we're in the
middle of a project that is, you know, fundamental to
our national security. So like you can see how you
know that is also a path.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, I mean they've been doing all the stuff they
said they were going to do, all the bad stuff.
They've been doing it like harder than anybody expected them
to do it already in like the first month, and
he did say we're not going to need to have
elections or this is going to be the last time
we have elections. So I again just feel like we
should start taking them at their work.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, the the crisis like manufactured either by dismantling the
entire infrastructure that makes the country safe and operable, safe
and like functional or like whether it was he'll be
just like a war, whether he's just like I don't know,
like this, this would definitely give me more power, and
(20:06):
he just seems to be all about accumulating as much
power as possible. Yeah, I'm not sure on which one.
It's really tired.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
You know, he's just tired lately. Just let elon do it.
You know, he's such a little like he's good, he's
so slump shouldered, right, you know, I know.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
That cabinet meeting where he was just on pause and
he's just like and he's talking and I'll just look
off a thousand yard stair off into the abyss because
I'm not getting control anymore. But this is the rhythm.
I mean, he gets in these adderall rhythms where he's
like he'll he'll go away for a couple of days
and then come back fucking just raging. We we know,
(20:45):
we know how these rhythms work.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
He'd rather be golfing, and he actually, I mean I
always think such a lib like yeah, like, oh, they'll
talk about the golfing, But the fact that he's been golfing.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
This much is christ so much? They're like, well, he's
he's breaking records for just even professional golfers golfing. Remember
when him and bid him, We're like, I bet I
bet I could beat you, and golf game sucks out
of the sand. Cool. Cool, it's a cool system. I
bet I bet my blood pumps at a higher pressure
(21:14):
through my body than yours. My heart is strong. Let's
let's try that. Okay. Yeah, somehow his like high blood
pressure is keeping him alive. It's like there's all the
all these like fucked up things, right, like mister yeah, yeah,
all right, Well, we do have an idea now of
(21:38):
what things are going to look like going forward from
the Democratic Party. It is, unfortunately exactly what we expected. Uh,
we'll take a quick break. We'll come back and talk
about this little retreat that some center Dems went on
that I feel like reveals the playbook going forward. We'll
(21:59):
be right back and we're back. We're back, and so
this third way sounds not at all nefarious. Group. That's like, guys,
(22:19):
we've tried the Republican, we've tried the Democratic. What if
we tried a third way that was also exactly like
those two. Yeah, but like kind of an average of
the two, kind of because they seem like they're more
moderate than the mainstream Democratic Party. But miles in terms
of like kind of the makeup of this group, who
is powering this group? Where's the We've talked before about
(22:40):
like the pod save guys talking about how when you're
deciding if somebody is a good candidate for office, you
go and they were saying this as a critique, but
it's just the way, like and this is just the
way it is. They're saying, like you just go through
their phone and be like, Okay, that's a billion billionaire. Yeah, okay,
(23:01):
you actually do qualify you could be a candidate. What
what does an organization like this look like? What's it's
make leadership foundationally? And it's bones right, because this is
a group that got together last month in uh Louden County,
Louden County, Virginia to figure out how do we get
the Democratic Party back on track? How do we reclaim
(23:23):
the attention of the working class and the normal American person?
And so this group the third way put this, you know,
little retreat together with consultants and politicians, their board. I'm
just gonna say the chairperson on the board of trustees
of Thirdway dot Org is one Rachel Pritzker. Now you
may you might be like, wait, I know that last name. Yes,
(23:43):
because of a very it's a very dynastic, wealthy family
hotel like the Hyatt hotels. JB. Pritzker, who's also the
governor of Illinois, is her cousin. She is the chairperson.
So we have somebody who comes from dynastic wealth as
the chair of this group third Way. Then you just
go through their board of trustees. It's either someone who
comes from venture capital, someone who comes from Wall Street,
(24:05):
or like an academic who gives it some sort of
like intellectual credit or yeah, you know, like just just
a little bit of what's the word I'm looking for, Uh,
what I might help me intellectual bona fidees bona fide Yes, exactly.
Where it's like, well, we have this sociologist who's also
on the board who talks about inequality. I mean, obviously
we won't do anything about it, but they are going
(24:27):
to board. They have trustees, some sociologists from the Stanford
MBA program. Yeah, that's like rich people win get over it.
So they came together and Politico, who's also done a
real interesting job of reporting since Trump has gone into office,
has like sort of un They got a hold of
this pdf that has like five pages of like their
(24:48):
takeaways as they got together to do a mind meld,
and it's so fucking disheartening, but also into it.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, before you go into it, because it's really awful.
Let's just there's it's really important because the way this
or peace was reported on, and even I misunderstood it
when I first read it because it's been making the rounds,
is that it was like they don't name the Third
Way group like politicals like centrist Deems group or like
leading Dems. It's very cagy, yeah, which makes it sound
(25:18):
like a little bit broader, like more Democrats are buying
into this, or that the DNC maybe have something to
do with it, or the d triple C you know,
and the fundraising arm had something to do with it. No,
the Third Way is like notoriously awful, So I just
want to name like it's it's not it's not necessarily
where the rest of the party, although I have massive
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questions about where they're going to go, right, but they
should definitely not listen to yes, the following recommendation.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Right, I think what it is more than anything, shows
that there is the fight for the Democratic Party is
well and truly on, and right now the Centrists are
making their case. They're trying to round the resources to
be like it has to be this version of the
Democratic Party. It can't be this fucking a fringe shit
like that AOC is talking about, or stuff where they're
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talking about like taxing the wealthy. I'm sorry, I'm Rachel Pritzker,
Like I can't have a bite taken out of my
fortune because of this kind of shit. No, but let's
make it sound like something good. So again, this was
the third way is comeback retreat, and there's four sections
takeaways on why Democrats have a cultural disconnect with the
working class, Takeaways on why Democrats are not trusted by
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the working class, on the economy, then takeaways on how
Democrats can reconnect culturally with the working class, and takeaways
on how Democrats can rebuild economic trust with working class voters.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Is this like they all were given a mirror and
just had to hold it up to their own goddamn
faces and were like, we are the reason that the
Democratic Party is not connected to the world. It's like
a do you guys remember the scene? And if I'm
a big Fried Green Tomatoes fan, but like to like
get to know your body like Kathy Bates, like has
air and she looks at her vagina. Yeah, this is
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like they need to look at their faces. Look your
bank account, look your face, look at your car, look
at you know, like who you hang out with?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Who is the person you know personally that you have
in your phone book that you interact with as a person. Yes,
and not a service provider, right, just as just as
a question, I think that should be the first question
rather how many billionaires you know? Your phone cap and
berated the Direct TV guy the other day, Does that count? Yeah?
I didn't even have aid do it. I just had
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some steam to blow off. So so I'll read through
these and we can stop at whichever one you'd like to,
because they're all equally infuriating. But first takeaways on why
democrats have a cultural disconnect with the working class. One
over emphasis on identity politics too, the faculty lounge problem,
which is again they're saying quote Democrats are often viewed
as judgmental, out of touch, and dismissive of those without
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elite education or progressive views. I like how they go,
or progressive views very telling, or or us where we
don't like that, we feel like weird. They don't. We
look down on people who aren't college educated. And also
they think we're too woke. Don't ignore. Just to ignore
that last part, keep going, it's woke, it's woke. My
virus number three, failure to prioritize economic concerns. That's true, true,
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that's true, But they go it's going to go in
an interesting direction. Well, the subhetter is, while voters struggle
with jobs, wages, and inflation, Democrats are seen as more
focused on cultural and social issues than on economic progress
and opportunity. They don't like racism. Well they're also they're
not they're not connected in any way. They're not all
woven together in this much larger thing called American culture. Anyway.
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Then we weak messaging and communication through fear of dissent
within the party. This is where the wheels completely blow off.
Now Democrats is again from this document quote, Democrats are
perceived as intolerant of internal debate. We're questioning progressive we're
questioning progressive orthodoxy, results in backlash rather than open discussion.
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Candidates and operatives need to feel more comfortable just saying
no to activist groups and unpalatable far left ideas. This
is again where you're seeing how the fight's playing out.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I mean like it's like every heading is like okay,
and then their description is like absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, right, right, right right exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So where does Gaza fit into the fear of dissent
within the party?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I mean like there, this is amazing, right, because this
is the whole thing is like we feel like we're
being policed and we feel like we have to get
in line. Now. Granted, we haven't gotten in line, and
we have not listened to our base, and we've ignored
the mass movements, whether it's around BLM or around Gaza.
We completely ignore them and we punch left and we
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treat them like shit. Right, but they make us feel
bad and we still ignore them. It's just like what
you what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Kabla Harrison energy coming into the election and then promptly
steered in the direct direction they're suggesting the party go
and lost all the momentum exactly righteah, yeah right. Attachment
to unpopular institutions very weird.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
The ones that are now being obliterated by Elon so
Republican light got it, got.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Got right, allowing the far left to define the party.
Activist groups and progressive staffers push unpopular cultural positions, making
it seem like Democrats are more extreme than they actually are.
What the fuck are you talking about? Operatives and campaigns.
Must remember that activist groups exist to promote their single
issue and raise money around it, not to make Democrats
electable reactionary rather than proactive. Over reliance on buzzwords and
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political correctness hikes and ten, lack a positive national identity message. Okay,
Democrats focus too much on America's flaws racism, sexism, inequality
without acknowledging the country's progress and potential, making them seem
pessimistic and unpatriotic. This is just so very much. Just
got their ass kicked in an election where the opposing
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side did nothing but talk about how America was a
complete shithole. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah again. It's
very right, right right, it is wild? Where again you this?
This next part takeaways on why Democrats are not trusted
by the working class On the economy. They could all
be summed up in one sentence, which is we cape
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for capitalism and the status quo and nothing else. That's
the problem every time. So the first one vilification of wealth.
Democrats are seen as hostile to success, indifferent to people's
desire to attain wealth, while reflexively attacking wealthy business leaders
instead of promoting economic mobility and aspiration. Hm disconnected messaging
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like everything is just so. Democrats focus on broad economic
indicators instead of acknowledging real struggles like high prices and
stagnant wages, making voters feel dismissed and unheard. Yeah you can,
this is the problem. You'll point, you'll gesture to the problems,
but you'll never fucking wrestle with the issues. That's that's
I mean, this is just wild.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Like, first of all, these are complete nincome poops number one,
but number one and number two of why democrats are
not trusted by the working class are completely antithetical to
one another. We have disconnected messaging. We don't actually make
it clear that we understand and listen to voters' economic concerns.
When grocery prices are exorbitantly high, they can't afford childcare,
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on and on and on. But people are being too
mean to corporations and we can vilify the wealthy. This
is the problem. This is but this is actually why
Joe Biden failed in a lot of ways beyond the
butcher Biden you know, last fifteenth you know year of
his presidency was really about like, Okay, we're going to
sort of nibble around the edges, pass and reforms, go
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after you know, monopolies, but we're not going to do
it hard enough or swift enough to actually make real
gains that impact people's lives. And we're going but we're
gonna still piss off the one percent, and we're never
going to gain popular so port for these programs and
for these things like stopping the price gouging or making
sure that you know, you know, Apple and Google and
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Amazon are you know, have to break up or sell
off certain companies or we're you know, we're suing them
all that we're not going to make these very valiant
policies that we are enacting actually popular because we're not
gonna specifically vilify the one percent. Like in order to
connect to people economically, you have to vilify the wealth.
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You have to vilify the one percent. It gives people
something to latch onto and that's you know, that's why
Trump is so successful is because he's demonizing immigrants, trans people,
women like, we understand that, So give them the opposite,
say the ninety nine percent versus the one percent. It's
what catapulted the occupy movement into Bernie Sanders two time
near electoral win.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
So it's just like, yeah, the one percent, but the
one percent is running everything, so how can we expect
them to even have this like this one part too.
Failure to address economic anxiety is another one where it's like, yeah,
no shit, but again they just go on to just
like talk around the issue. Another one is nine the
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breakroom versus the boardroom. Democratic economic messages often come from
elite celebrities and politicians rather than working class voices that
voters can relate to. What you're saying is, yes, the
party has been captured by the hyper wealthy, so you're
inherently going to have it to communication to our wording,
it's not going to happen with Rachel Pritzker or people
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of that ilk at the helm of a political party.
They have absolutely is so far out of their vagina
and a mirror.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Just say that just look at it for us. At
it for a second and it'll be.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Actually it's not nearly as nice as doing that, but like, yeah,
it's this is No one should take anything these people
say seriously. And it's really annoying that the way that
the political article was spun was made it seem like
this wasn't the third everybody knows a third way. Organization
has been like tone deaf. Now the problem is is
that people you know, like James Carville will pair it
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a lot of these points, and many people pay it
these points, which is basically like we need to get
rid of the racial justice component, which is not really
even a component. It's just sort of a lip service
that we pay to real equity in this country. Get
rid of all that language because weren't actually doing anything
to implement it. Also hop on board with DEI programs,
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DIA programs, which are again stopgap measures that mostly make
ourselves look better and so we don't have to address
structural issues economic issues broadly like this is. And then
the last thing like don't make me look at twenty
twenty five and like miss Obama, like don't make me
miss the way. The one thing that Obama was actually
able to do well, which was I think, give some
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sort of narrative structure to this democracy that we live in.
Is specifically when it comes to like multiracial democracy, a
country that is still in formation, in the making, that
is a sum of its parts, you know that its
best days are ahead, not behind, but truly with again
this like call it it's not post racial, but of
course in the minds of a lot of white people,
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this like post racial. Everyone's moving forward, you know, we
can do it together. Like like, it's just so wild
that we live in a time where like two thousand
and nine seemed really hopeful, you know, And and I
say that as someone who in two thousand and nine
was actually not that hopeful, and of course was like
everyone else many progress is very disappointed. But like, it's
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not that hard to have a narrative of multi racial
democracy that is inclusive, where there's an economy that works
for all people. It's fucking really simple to articulate that,
and many politicians do.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, I think it's like just something about this, especially
in third way and knowing how wealthy the people are
behind it too, or like they they can they're reading
the room that the clock is take for people like
for just ignoring the wealth hoarding that's happening from the
like the very wealthy, and I think they're trying to
like dance around it in this way where they're like, ah,
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it's a problem, but I certainly don't know how to
contend with it. That ends up with me having less
than I already do. And that's that's a totally that's
because all this stuff just reads to me is it's
pro inequality propaganda, like all of these talking points, and
if that's your worldview, if you're pro inequality or just
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indifferent to inequality, all of these talking points are very
easy for you to pairrot and act like you're analyzing
and observing a problem and that maybe there's something to
be done about it, but you are falling short of
the actual work of saying we actually have to begin
to dismantle these structures if we want a tangible effect,
if we want voters to actually have some kind of
tangible outcome that they can then connect to this party
(37:53):
and say, yeah, you know what, I trust them, I'll
vote for them because I can see they understand what's
at stake and they're contending with it than trying to
be like the problem is and this they say this
in their document, small dollar donors, that's a thing to be.
That's a remedy they're putting in here. Revised democratic fundraising
parties move away from the dominance of small dollar donors
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whose preferences may not align with the broader electric Aka,
stop listening to the people who were trying to who's
trust we're trying to regain and just just get all
the money from our wealthy friends.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
It is a complete nonsensical document because it's just full
of these hypocrisies. The small dollar donors, I eat many
many people, don't represent many many people.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
No, nobody knows what you're saying. It doesn't make any sense.
And again, this is what's gonna look guys, this is
what gets us fascism. This kind of thinking. Yeah, lines
in the Sanda been drawing, y'all, there's a class war.
Which side are you on? Okay, stop fucking caping like
you care when you want to maintain you know, tax
structure the way it is. When you're not actually really
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going to address wealth inequality, shut up, Just go go
over to the side of the room of the gymnasium
with all the billionaires because we don't need you anymore.
We understand, Like truly though, I'm just like so sick
of these people, you know, helping the Democratic Party and
its tail spin and it's their fucking nose dives, because
this is this is what the Kamala Harris campaign did.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It's exactly what these things. Yes, yeah, the I mean,
so the playbook, I feel like for the Democratic Party,
both successfully and unsuccessfully, has been promised progressive change, like
big radical change and then govern as a right leaning
York photocracy and like that playbook and not.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Even really do the former, like not even really promise
broad right.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah yeah, just like gesture esthetically, Obama felt like he
was offering revolutionary change, hope and change, you know, but
then like out really in any sort of real way
did A was I mean, like.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
You know, ACA was a good like when I'm I'm
even again, I put Obama in a separate category at
this point, like Kamala Harris did not run an Obama
campaign at all. There was no big idea and again
there was so much working against her and on and
on and on, but like this is useless.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, no, I mean really. Yeah, I feel like because
people have been fooled by this so long, and like, yes,
the Obama like ACA was something, it was also written
by the insurance industry, and like I think the big
original sin that people can't get past is the bailing
out of Wall Street. And yeah, like but so the
two options seem to be like promise progressive and then
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government progressive. If you're not going to do the promise
progressive and then govern as a corporatography, it's promised progressive
and then government progressive or promise corporatography and govern the
way you've always been governing.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
And which why would if you're a corporation, now, why
the like, why would you ever throw it down with Democrats? Again,
the Republicans are promising you the moon and the stars, right,
I mean they are truly doing you a massive service.
I mean, you know, unless you rely on things like
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snap benefits to underpay your workers so they don't come
at you with a knife and shit, right, then that
would suck for you Walmart and others. But like, again,
the line of the sand has been drawn and the
corporations and you've got rub and diego going and like
trying to you know, fundraise with Marc Andreessen and other
you know crypto crypto bros. And be like we're good too,
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Like you can't offer them what they want.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
No, and also like open up your let's let's see
the donations you've gotten from that sector, because we all
know what time it is. They just bought you as
a voice to normalize crypto for their own aim. And
like we've talked about before, they were the biggest industry
that was spending this last election cycle to get pro
crypto talking points out to Democrats and republics. The one
thing though, too, which goes along with all this, one
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of their takeaways for how they can rebuild economic trust
is to quote number five, be pro aspiration and pro
capitalism in a smart way. Recognize that working class voters
value upward mobility and economic success, have a prosperity gospel
aimed at the working class, call out corporate abuses individually
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instead of attacking quote corporations as a whole. Now, pro
aspiration is such a fucking violent, fucked up term in
this context where it's like not that you're saying, provide
people with this tangible path. It's like they like upward mobility,
but That's why we use the word aspirational, because that
doesn't mean you're delivering. That means you have the hope
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that it will happen. That doesn't mean you have to.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Do use words like grindset, mindset more and uh, you know,
life hack.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Hustler of the Month is going to get a Lambeau
brought to you by the DNC.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I mean truly, truly, it's like, like, okay, so instead
of free college tuition, you want to lie to people
exactly the way that Republicans lie to them. And no
one's saying that the allure of a get out of
capitalism free card or like being able to get a
bunch of money through crypto doesn't exist precisely because of
the moment that we're in, and honestly precisely because the
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Democratic Party has lost their way, you know, since FDR
and since it's embrace of neoliberalism. But I'm very excited
in twenty twenty eight for the fucking for Gavin Newsom
to trot out Bill fucking Clinton again and again and again.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah. Right. One of the things is like hanging out
with like meeting them where they are at tailgates and
gun shows, which is just and and I think small
town diners, which first of all, like loaning in tailgates,
gun shows, local restaurants. This is written by the most
billionaire motherfucker, Like you know, tailgates and gun shows, local restaurants.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
And it's all white coated, right, isn't that just white coated?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, this is all going for like conservative
Middle America.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
By the way, unsuccessful Democratic candidates have been trying to
lean into gun culture and failing since Ducaccus in eighty
right when he like drove that fucking tank like carry
had an infamous gun photo op Kamala kept ragging about
how she had a glock like it just it feels
like they've got taken taken. Like the twenty twenty four
(44:34):
election is just like let's double down on listening to
the exact wrong people who told us all the things
that made us lose. Yeah. Well, then you also have
like senators like Chris Murphy who are like kind of
kind of like having an internal debate with themselves about
seeing the light where they're like, I think it's like
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we gotta listen to like these poor people man, and
like we're just not doing a good job. But also shit.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I'm like, I'm hard to determine.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I don't even care are I was like, uh huh, yeah,
I know, which is like it all feels performative because
at the end of the day, like these people, their
entire existence is rooted in the fact that this system
stays the same. So I can't really it's hard for
me to believe that they now have this steal to
go after to start to even begin to reckon with
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all of these structures that exacerbate the very income or
the inequality that they're saying is causing a disconnect. It's like, well,
we're not going to contend with the issue, but we
need to figure out how to tell them that the
sky is blue when this shit is black.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Back in twenty twenty, I did a news Broke episode
that was basically like how to Beat Trump and one
of the bullet points, which is one that we just
you could just erase this entire thing and just have
one bullet point, which is be authentic, and I would
revise that and just say believe in something, literally, believe something.
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Pick a thing to actually believe in.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
We believe Santa.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
For me, that's it exactly, Like I don't even give
a shit of its Santa. If it's Santa, sell me
on Santa, but I need you to actually believe it.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I think the thing about Santa, he's given too many
handouts to people that don't deserve it. You know, wait what,
you're just boomerang that.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Santa is a nice idea. That's a good concept, but
really they should be earned stocking stuffers. And you know,
if you don't pay into the stalking system, it should
be sort of based on your own income.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
How many toys? I just hate that they basically are
taking treat human beings with dignity and respect and saying
that this is radical far left thinking. Like because if
you just tell someone, you don't have to evoke any
kind of political theory here, just be like this, here's
your platform. We believe that you have the right to
healthcare without going bankrupt because your body gets fucked up
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from maybe the myriad of threat vectors we put in
the environment to to you know, corporate activity. Whatever. Healthcare. Okay,
you should be able to have a roof over your head.
If you would like an education, that should be attainable
for you at any kind. You want to learn a trade,
you want to go to university. Okay, we got that
covered food. What else? Healthcare? Childcare, that your children will
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be safe. That's really those are so broad that it
would be hard like you're not I mean, some conservatives
will be like, we're trying to give a handout, but
other people they are clamoring for things to be more
affordable or their lives to be less shitty. Just articulate
that in a way that is just talking about it's
just like the basics. It's really just the basics, but
it's it's much easier for it to get like sort
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of muddled in this kind of like think tank talk
and then have places like Politico be like, all right,
this is like this is kind of what might be
the new normal way for the Democratic Party, or at
least we'll give this the most attention. So no version
that seems too fucking quote radical takes hold, and you know,
people start looking the other also.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
You know, it's like if you really want to learn
from the Republicans, because all this is is looking at
the other side more like hey, they're good good, and like,
you know, I do understand this idea of like speaking
to people wanting to get ahead, and our intense individualism
and all this and people liking money and people not
wanting the collective, and that's going to take a long
many years to rebuild that sense of collectivity of a
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real like yes, an American identity that is about equal
protection under the law, that is about everyone getting an opportunity.
Like there's been so much hollowing out of the government.
Many people believe obviously all this shit is dead if
it ever were alive. But I'm like thinking about it,
and I'm like, Okay, universal education like free tuition. Right,
let's say community colleges, state schools to begin with. And
(48:48):
if you don't want to take advantage of free university tuition,
you can get money instead. It's like, so you get
it's like putting money in people's posts. People love money,
and so it's like, you know what I'm saying, It's
like something like that where it's like it feels like
socialism to a kind of exactly. It Also, if you
don't like exactly, you could get money to go to
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a trade school or like start your own business right
out of college or high school, whatever you want. But
we want to promote you going to school you freely
and fair you know, all that we think everyone should
have an economic I mean educational opportunity like that, but
also here's money. Like if ins said you don't like
things like that, that would be an interesting creative way
(49:31):
to address this moment that we're in, but also talk
about what can actually solve you know, yeah, you know
the moment that we're in.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Or they talk about, oh, people love aspirational stuff and
like they're driven or whatever. That's because there's no fucking
middle class. If there was a middle class, people wouldn't
be aspiring to be lambeau driving, like jet hopping, fucked
with sex traffickers because they look at that as being like, well,
those are the option. Those are like if I want
to go on a trip, like have like a nice dinner,
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look like I have to be hyper wealthy because my
job that used to be able to afford someone a
very normal, enjoyable life, that fucking vision is gone. So
that's what they're aspiring to. It's not that they want,
not necessarily, but the example that we have in society
is that you must have X amount of dollars for
this experience to be enjoyable. Yeah, just those people in
(50:24):
extreme version, those people putting me in pain, and that's
those are your two options. Be the one who's getting
fucked over and scammed, or be the scammer or the
person's like making all the money and your stupid yeah
is also part of it. Let's take a quick break,
we'll come back. We'll say a quick goodbye to Skype.
(50:44):
We'll be right back. Goodbye Skype, and we're back and
good bye Skype. All right, that is our episode. Oh
you didn't hear so Skype is about to die. Uh
(51:07):
it will ring for the last time on May fifth,
single to mile. Yeah. Yeah, they're going out big part
in bio And it's just it's kind of worth taking
a step back and asking has any tech company fumbled
its place quite like Skype? Like we used the word
(51:32):
Skype as a verb to describe what Zoom now does. Yes,
And when the pandemic hit, everyone just was like, no,
fuck Skype, We're going to Zoom. Because Microsoft had acquired
Skype for eight point five billion dollars in twenty eleven,
it's not like they had just like gotten an infusion.
They had it for eight solid years, nine solid years.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Well, they did launch Microsoft spaces was it spaces Space?
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Well now, so basically they're just shifting this over to teams.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Teams I forgot.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah yeah, Google Spaces, Google Spaces, Microsoft Teams. It's easy
to tell apart. And it's why so much? Yes, yes,
every week quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
I've created five accounts.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
What's going on? They basically tried so once they got
that big investment acquisition by Microsoft, they just like started
trying to be everything X everything app. They started trying
to be like they created their own like emoji system
called Moji's. They call it's called moojis. They're like emojis, No,
(52:48):
they're mojis, and actually you get you get fined if
you say if you put the E in there. Can
you imagine in that pitch meeting, they're like, and we
have Moji's and they're like, is that just emojis? No? No, no,
man five ads yeah, something about seven minute abbs. Yeah.
They also tried to like be Snapchat. They put put
(53:10):
a bunch of features together from Snapchat. The developers just
did not focus on the core functionality of making sure
the video call quality remained. And so I think the
thing was just like when you when the pandemic hit,
you could just have like a zoom link and like
you could just use it like for free basically, like
(53:30):
you didn't have to like set up a thing and
like connect it to your phone number, like have a
separate you know. It was just easy to use, and
they were just like not there yet.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
It was browser based, right, I mean that's isn't that
the whole thing?
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, sky gon app, though they have an app, It's
just like it wasn't as easy to use. It wasn't no,
but no one.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Would send you a skypelink and be like join my
meeting or join my call.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Right, that's just like you had to it was. It
felt more like they were still in the world at
first phones. Yeah, yeah, like you had to like Skype me,
here's my user name.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
You know, this is upsetting to me because I used
Skype well for a very long distance relationship for a
long time, so that was like pivotal, Like all my
Skype is like, you know, falling in love with my
ex you know.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Through Skype.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
Wow, Skype yad you know, as we used to say,
and uh. And then also I used Skype to call
people when I want to hide my phone number. Yeah yeah, yeah,
you know, like all the people I stock mostly did
representatives and so I don't know how. I guess I
could do that with a Google Voice number, but I'm
trying to figure out how to do that because I
(54:39):
don't want people tracking me back to my phone.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Sure yeah yeah, Google Voice, Google Voice help Google Voice
the move. But Burner Phone shout out to Skype. We
hardly knew ye a mere twenty years in existence.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
This is just like it's like you know, the comedian
I e Me, who didn't you know, start learning TikTok
during the pandemic really screwed up. Yeah, it's like Skype,
what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Yeah? Yeah, oh god.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
But also just such a waste because they didn't need
the money. I mean, that's what monopoly does, where you're
like in other hands, I'm I like to think, and
I don't know anything about running a business, but like
Skype would have been it, they would have maintained it.
But it's like if you don't really need I don't know,
I'm just like one of.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Your company, then you're like, yeah, whatever, fool, I got
my payday right exactly.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Zoom isn't Microsoft.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
You're like a satellite branch in like some part of Microsoft.
That's just yeah, being ignored and mismanaged quietly behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
So now it is truly just Zoom and like Google meets.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Zoom and team and teams of course, and Zoom hasn't been.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Acquired or Zoom is just like the Zoom Empire.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Now are he zooms its own thing now? Yeah, we're
in the zoom age.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Okay, yeah yeah until Elon buys it for.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
However much Francesca, it's it's been a pleasure as always
having you on the daily. Where can people find you?
Hear you?
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Like every time we have like multiple stories and then
I just talk so much that we don't get to.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
That is every episode of the show episode, no matter
the guest.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Dude, you can I feel that. I mean I feel
I never feel rushed. So thank you and thanks for listening.
Uh you can find me at Franni fou on all
the socials and listen to the Situation Room where you
get your podcasts, or watch it live on YouTube at
Franni Theo. But also if you really want to come
see me, I'll be doing stand up with my husband
(56:36):
Matt Leeb on Sunday, March sixteenth in Sacramento and then
May seventh, which is a Wednesday at Cobbs Comedy in
San Francisco, and it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
So so fun two days after the Skype funeral.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Oh shoot, that's right, we're gonna Yeah, we're gonna pour one.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Out for some guy Irish wake for Skype. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
And if you are in Pasadena, if you're in Los Angeles,
I'll be March twenty sixth at the Ice House. I
have my show New World Disorder monthly stand up show there.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
It'll be good. Nice. Is there a workymedia that you've
been enjoying?
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Okay, there is a skeet. Yeah, we call it made I.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Just in this household their skeets.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, they're skeets. There's a skeet Amy Brown and I
hadn't seen this joke before, so I'm attributing it to
Amy Brown, who said, I'm not the first to say it,
but I do sort of see where Jade Vance's mom
was coming from when she traded him for drugs.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Miles, Where can people find you? Is there a workimedia
you've been enjoying? Yeah? Find me everywhere They have at
Symbols at Miles of Gray, and also find Jacket out
on the basketball podcast Miles and Jacket Adam Bustie's. You
can also find me with Sofia Alexander talking ninety day
on four twenty day Fiance. A couple streets I like.
(57:54):
First one is John Boys, John Bois, I said. Next
door started sending me email digest I never asked for
but I'm really glad they did. Someone just posted a
photo of a parked car with a door open, like, hey,
heads up in case this is your car. Someone asked
if they closed it. They said no, because what if
I close it and the car explodes? Sounds like some
(58:16):
next door ass logic. And then Emma Burkwist at Emma
Broquist dot bescati social But god, it must be so
easy to be a dem consultant, just sitting around making
two hundred and fifty k a year to say things like, actually,
voters don't want healthcare, they want you to go to
gun shows and start using the word orientals again. All right.
(58:36):
You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore, o
Brian on Blue Sky at Jack ob the number one
I like to tweet from lesbian Mothman at very Small
River tweeted, shortening cilantro to slaunch. I like it. That's great,
good Irish. There a Brieve slaunch. Yet. You can find
(58:57):
us on Twitter at daily Zeke and on Blue Sky
at Daily's like Ice. We're at the Daily Chased on Instagram.
We have a Facebook fan page on a website Daily
zeikes dot com where we post our episodes and our
footnotes where we link off to the information that we
talked about in today's episode, as well as the song
that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a
song you think people might enjoy? Yeah, there is a
(59:20):
track called I Remember. It's like two Eyes and remember
a Marabou State m A R I B o U.
They are a duo from the UK. I've heard like
some I've heard electronic tracks Eve done, this feels more
of like a live band vibe with some really good
it's It kind of feels like a track jungle kind
(59:41):
of what it makes. So if you like that kind
of like funky, it's got just just solid, solid track
with a little bit of bounce to us. So keep
your daylight and bouncing. This one called I Remember, I Remember.
I I like when Mark Wahlberg gets taste in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
light plan a little flight plan reference for it, flight risk. Sorry,
(01:00:01):
oh boy, Yeah, all right, we will link off too.
I remember in the footnotes, which you can also find
in the show description. Wherever you're listening to this, The
Daily Zeitgeist is the production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts
from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or
wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going
to do it for us this morning. We're back this
afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we'll talk
(01:00:23):
to you all then. Bye bye.
There's a there's something that there are some hook they're
so fucking ugly. I'm like, bro, do not come near
me wearing those shoes like you're gonna you're gonna hook,
You're gonna say the N word. I don't know why
they're so dripless that they freak me the fuck out,
which is funny because they have ones that are super cool,
but there's some that just looks so fucking hokah that
(00:27):
they freak me out. It's like wearing like an underarm
or camo hoodie near this conversations about to go. I
had a one friend who's like, I had to do it, man,
It's like my feet, bro, just like you know, my
my orthopedis was like I have to wear these shoes
and I'm like it's fine, bro, and he's like he's
like they just look really bad. I'm like, you look comfortable.
Did you get the shitty ones? Was like, okay, you
(00:48):
do have to buy these, And unfortunately they have to
be the ones that look like shit. That's actually part
of it for me. It does it have to have
this thin blue line logo like these are custom, dude.
I'm telling you these are pret you need these specific ones,
dude like Holkas Thin Blue Line collab, Hoka x Thin
Blue Line Yo. One one shoe is thin Blue Line,
(01:09):
the other ones All lives matter? What is this? Dude?
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, seventy eight,
Episode two of der Nightley's Dice. It's a production ByHeart Radio.
It's a podcast where we take a deep dab into
American share capchiness. And it's Tuesday, March fourth, twenty five. Yeah,
(01:35):
the fourth be with Nope, that's not the one. No,
go ahead, let me try the fourth be with you. Yeah,
let's try that. It's also National Sun's Day. And then
it's also and you'll have to forgive me. There's just
a lot of Reich vibes in the air. It's also
Fast Knocked Day, and I was like, what the fuck
(01:55):
is that? That's actually it's the day before ash Wednesday,
not Fast in the Night. So yes, that's what that's
what that means. I was like, what the fuck is
going on here? It's also Marching Music Day. Shout out
marching bands. That's me. It's Fat Tuesday. This would be
the day before as Wednesday, National Grammar Day, National hug
a g I Day, unless you're the Veterans Affairs Department,
in which case you're like, y'all need to get the
(02:16):
funk away from our way, and you're making us nervous. Stop.
Thank you, thank you for doing violence in service of
the empire. Please get away with the pro hugs.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Like we're going to replace all v A Care.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
With with hugs. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, we're going to cancel the Veterans Suicide Hotline and
replace it children with Huh.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But you guys hug each other. We're not doing the hugging. Yeah, yeah,
we're not involved with that, just like can you figure
that on your own? Now? So National pound.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Cake Day, dude, I love pound cake. Yeah sorry, I
just want to remind everyone that a cold Sarahly pound
cake with strawberries and ice cream or what, it's just
a classic. It's yummy.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Turn it down. My mom, like whenever I had strawberries
and stuff, she never did like that thing where I've
noticed in the American households or like in a dessert context,
you put a little sugar and like like a little
syrup like with the strawberries to get them tasting sweeter,
like for a little topping. The first time I had that,
I thought the person was like drugging because I couldn't
believe that the strawberries were like so sweet. And I
(03:19):
just remember my immigrant mother being like, I would never
put you what he talked about. It's fruit. It doesn't
need more sugar.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But then when you in the middle of you were like, Okay,
I'm gonna finish this. But if they're drugging me, it's.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Fine, Yeah, it's fine whatever. Yeah, yeah, a little sugar
on this dessert. Sprinkle a little sugar on this shit.
I mean that ship it's dope because strawberries, most of
the time, they never taste like what you want them
to be, especially as a kid. You're you're you're expecting
the most intensely sweet fruit and then it just ends
up not being that. With this.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Nice fresh strawberry, it looks like it's slept over from
a child.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That's one of his canker sores. He just pulled his
lip down. How is my little slice strawberry from my
olmah shout out to my mother in law. Yeah sweet,
super sweet, damn all right, let me come come over.
I dipped it in a vanilla frosting, so that's how
I get down. Now it's just pure uncut fruit. Damn.
(04:17):
Actually did look halved, so you can't say it was halved. Mmm.
I'm sorry to our listeners who don't like people chewing
on Mike. Yeah, you mentioned you mentioned fruit. I've got
it at end. Yes, I am fucking bawling. Anyways, my
name is Jack O'Brien aga. Well, it seems to me
(04:37):
you missed that drone. Now your sandals in the wind?
That one courtesy of Elton John and Blinky Hack on
the discord, in reference to the Drake Cliff allegedly fake
where so fluid drone to his penthouse, zoomed in on
his laptop, He came out, threw his sandal off the roof.
(05:00):
I don't be an attempt to take the drone down.
I don't. I still can't. My problem is not like, well,
it didn't look it looked fake as hell. It looked
faked as hell. I don't know what he to what end?
Was he faking it? Is my question because he didn't
make it. The other thing is I did do this, AKA.
So that's two days in a row people have heard
(05:21):
that AKA, but I think we will leave its worth it. Heck,
great work on double dip the Double Dip Award for
Blinky Heck, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by
my co host, mister Miles brad Well. It seems to
me that you live your life now, your sandal's in
the wind. Let's do it three times blink, God damn,
(05:43):
let's go for it. Yeah. That was a terrible, terrible,
fake staged thing for Steak. Drake also posted over the
weekend just a Steak logo and was basically like, bro,
they I need two million dollars to win, and they
they'll give it to me if I just post this.
It's an ad. I'm desperate, Okay, moving on.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
He's selling Omaha steaks now, yeah he's he is. Yeah,
he's coupon's Kirkland brand coupons like Costco coupons to Omaha steak.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
No, not even just yeah. I wish they were useful.
It's purely self serving. He's like, folks, I have an
online slot machine problem. This is why I'm posting this
on Maine. Leave me alone. And by the time it
got to me, the screen was blurred out, so it
just looked like he was looking at porn. Like they
caught him looking at porn. I think someone was just like,
(06:30):
we're not letting you do this ad here? Right. I
think that was just a smart thing to be.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Like, nah, no this is Is this an ad for
a shirt with a swastik on it?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
No, I no, no, can't.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
On social media, miles were thrilled to be joined once
again in our third see by a brilliant comedian, writer, journalist,
activists you know from plays like Al Jazeera, MSNBC, The
Young Turks and from the podcast The Situation Room. It's
Francesca Furantina to say, is it tail right?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Will watch this with what Jahad Ali Tuesdays and Thursdays
on YouTube eight pm Easter and five pm Pacific. Yeah, it's,
as we're calling it, America unhinged. We're looking at the
first hundred days of Trump's administration. There goes my mental health.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Wait, what happens on the after one hundred days they
cancel the show?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, it's all exactly. It gets canceled because we fixed
it and it's all better and our analysis has made
everything right.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I don't know, like a network goes well, you guys
said it was about the first hundred days, so we
didn't renew it.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, I mean Look, we'll see if Zeitel wants to
keep us on, but either way everyone should check it
out so you know we have more reason to stay.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's many Hassan's network, right, Yes, it is. Well,
speaking of fixed it, I don't know if you saw,
but the Democrats have fixed it. We'll be talking about
that in a little bit. But they they figured out
how to after you know, being the part of the
brand behind move on, or they have figured out how
(08:01):
to move on. They have a path forward and it
is it's it's about what you would expect from them,
exactly what you would expect from them if quite literally, yeah,
if they were just incapable of learning like any lessons
from their own failures, I'm so scared. Well, we'll talk
(08:21):
about that. We'll say a fond farewell to Skype, all
of that plenty more, But before we get to any
of that franchise, but we do like to ask our guests,
what is something from your search history that's revealing about
who you are?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Can you feed a cat dog food?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Why did this happen? Why did I search this? Because
my husband at leab like the equivalent of my wife. Well,
it's it's it's millennia, saying my husband, my husband, Okay, husband,
he bought the the.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Dog food for the cat, and so I wanted to know,
can you feed that the cat's dog food? It turns
out you can, but it doesn't have the proper nutrients,
so only for a little bit. And that little bit
was this morning when she puked.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh really, wait, so because it's so good different, No, the.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Puking was definitely because she got a good can of
food this morning and she liked it, so she scarfed
it too fast. But then I immediately was like, okay,
it's been five days of us knowing that this is
dog food, maybe like a week or fifteen days of
it actually being dog food, and so we need to
swap this shit out. So yes, but yes, there are
some nutrients that cats need. The dogs don't. Dogs I
(09:45):
think can eat more veggies. They're like dogs are super down.
And in fact, it's good to feed dogs like colorful
foods like carrots and sweet potatoes. That stuff is good
for them. But cats need just meat they need oh wow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
And also I've been looking up cat health insurance and
it's also a racket. Everything about vet insurance is a
fucking racket. Everything about veterinary care and animal care is
a racket. And yeah, you know, but I'm like, I'm
like it's awful. I'm like, okay, you know what, go
(10:20):
under the house and die, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's just.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
That's how veterinarians feel too. They're like, it's so fun.
I can't even give care because the fucking mandate I
get from the corporate overlords is to just like be like, dude,
just deny anything. Just tell them the pets are gonna die.
You can't do anything for him because it's too We're
not going to cover that.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Shiit just no, it is so wild, Like two hundred
and sixty dollars for a urine test. Excuse me, how
two hundred and sixty dollars to test the urine for you?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
My exactly, sh it tastes off. I'll know right away
exactly less than two hundred and sixty bucks.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
No, But seriously, I'm just like, can we I understand obviously,
you know, free Luigi, we need universal medicare for all.
We need to abolish the private h you know, healthcare
system in this country. But also we need medicare for
all for cats. So yes, a lot of a lot
of feline stuff in my search history.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I gotta tell you, the Democrats are not gonna like
that talking point medicare for all four cats, Francisco. We're
trying to we're trying to get that big D Democrat
podcast or spot and I don't just do you, guys
Rogan of the Left, please, we've already applied. They gave
us a swift and unambiguous no, you may not. They
(11:35):
said Jack wasn'tbelievable, was a tough guy, and I was
quote not white. Yeah. I tried to act like I
knew what m m A was an episode, Yeah you're
talking about. Yeah, it's pretty good for like depression, Like
a lot of people are like tinkering with it. It
was like an ecstasy. But now like m m A
(11:56):
therapy is like really they're like get this all right?
Well that's good to know. That's helpful information that we're
learning up top. Franchisa, what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I guess I just love this person and she's my
new favorite person. So I'm like, any accolades or any
love she's getting is not nearly enough. But Cynthia Arrivo
is the best thing ever and I am in love
with her, and she's got an amazing voice, and hearing
her perform, you know, defying gravity on the Oscar stage
(12:32):
and just like crushing every single part of it, and
just like her voice and like like that could keep
me going. I just need to listen to that every morning,
and I feel like I'll be okay. I feel like,
all right, maybe I don't need to move to Ireland
slash Costa Rica or wherever the hell. You know, Yeah,
I might go, like, maybe I'll be fine. We say,
(12:52):
we fight, we defy gravity. She's just so talented and yes, yeah, whatever, Okay.
I think, you know, Ariana Grech, she was gonna be
my overrated but I like, I'm I don't want to
make it hateful against her. I just like I want
a Harold Cynthia Rivo and she deserves everything.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ariana ground. I saw that bride'smaid sketch
for the first time on SNL when they're talking about
Domingo and yeah, well the original origin they came back.
The first one was Ariana Grande and the way she
killed those bad notes, I was like, it takes an
amazing singer to do bad singing that well.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
She's also very funny, like I think as a comedic actress,
she's really good. But Cynthia Rivo's voice, Cynthirivo's acting, Cynthiarivo
just like as a person, as a vibe, as a
like how how, I don't know. She's just so fly.
I love it everything about her.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah. I just remember being so shocked at how talented
Cynthia Rivo was because I was like, so again unfamiliar
with her game starting out, and then like just adding
all these just talents on top of each other. I
was like, holy shit, Okay, I see you. Yeah, I
think it's little selfish. Actually how much how talented she is,
(14:03):
it's too much, not fair.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, I didn't even see I didn't see Harriet, So
I would like to go back and watch.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It maybe for her, right, right, leave some for us,
leave some clubs for us, that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, that was me enjoying the Oscars thinking that she
was incredible.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Is what's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I think the twenty twenty eight election is overrated, meaning
I don't think we're gonna make it that far, and
I don't think it's gonna happen. So I think everyone
who's putting too much faith in electoralism to get us
out of this massive hole is not thinking short term enough.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
But what about the mid terms that are coming up?
Get to the mid terms.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think the midterms are good. I also think that
this is an administration that will openly defy the.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Will of Congress and define gravity and to fight gravity.
That's actually what that sounds about. Yeah, exactly, the vaporization
of the twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I mean, define gravity is about like not actually believing
in gravity because it's a social construct and it's made up, and.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So is electoral politics.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yes, just like electoral politics. But I'm like.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Ideally interesting Rogan episodes about how gravity is a social
construct if you just think about it, get high enough,
and you're not getting you're not getting the part. I'm
just saying, he's really good.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
They already said no, but yeah, so I'm just like, ah,
we need to stop like hoping and wishing and thinking
about the future. It's it's like, I don't even know
if this shit's going to hold till next week or
a month from now. I'm looking at like the this
year and for sure, the ability to override. You know,
they'll they'll try to override whatever Congress wants. I'm excited
(15:49):
to get all these Republicans who are being chanted down
in town halls out of their seats in the midterms,
and so that's really good. I do think the backlash
will be swift and strong. But I like, I don't know, folks,
twenty twenty eight, it's like who knows.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, it feels like little If you can't.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Stop him here, what is to like, stop relying on elections.
I'm sorry. The reason that we're fucking in this point
is because we're like, well, you know what, well, well,
when I get it at the ballot box, yeah, well, yeah,
he incited an erect insurrection in erection direction.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
He incited as you know, I mean, obviously Chuck Schumer
is aroused, but he incited insurrection.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That's illegal. He shouldn't be able to run for office
under our constitution. Brazil just did it with Bolsonario. But
you not like to leave it to the ballot, ballot.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Leave it to the voters. It's so yeah, it's it's
it's not useful, it doesn't help anyone. It it also
like can it I don't know, like you know a
way it allows people to just sort of be like,
don't just don't worry about it right now. It's like no, no, no,
we need to be engaged right now. Like this isn't that,
This isn't a thing you can put off and doesn't
mean you have to go full blown panicking in the street.
(17:00):
But to act as if there's going to be a
tidy solution that you just show up on a Tuesday
in November and it goes away. No, And the biggest
problems in this country have not gone away because people
showed up on a random Tuesday in November. It's just
not how that shit works.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
No. And every single time he is allowed to run,
which I think he will try to do again, it
just further I don't know. I'm just like, how much
renormalizing him And people are like, oh, well, he won't
be able to run again. Of course he's gonna run again.
Of course he's gonna try to run again. Of course
he's going to extend. He's not a limits, he's not.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Allowed too though, So I think we're good. Yeah, oh yeah.
So this is a thing that I also believe and
have believed like since the like first three days of
the administrators. I was like, oh, yeah, this is a rap,
But like I am curious, like what does it look
like when we don't have the election? Is it like
just a sham election where all the rules are being
(17:52):
bent and there's absolutely no you know, confidence that the
votes are being counted. Maybe like some sort of federal
author already comes and intervenes because they've like alleged all
this voter fraud or what.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Then there have to be elections. I mean, I think
there have to be some some some mock elections like
even you know, Putin's Russia as elections, right exactly. I
mean I do think you know, when starlink has full
control of like how we count our votes and centralizes that,
you know, how do we think it's all going to
(18:26):
come down? So yeah, I think there's just going to
be like ballot stuffing but via data. I mean, that's
my that's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, there's not there's too much momentum for people to
still think elections are needed, you know, that it can't
just be like all right, we're not doing them anymore.
And it was like, oh okay, because there's still there's
still plenty of like conservatives that like still romanticize the
idea of like winning at the ballot box.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
So and I also think that there could I mean,
if if you want to stall elections or you want
to not have them, you basically have to create some
sort of either internal external war, so you spend elections, right,
you used to spend elections because of wartime. So hey,
if we're fighting the enemy from within, or if there's
an actual invasion, or if we reclassify you know, everyone
is terrorists, well then we're fighting a war on terror
(19:11):
and we can't have an election because we're in the
middle of a project that is, you know, fundamental to
our national security. So like you can see how you
know that is also a path.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, I mean they've been doing all the stuff they
said they were going to do, all the bad stuff.
They've been doing it like harder than anybody expected them
to do it already in like the first month, and
he did say we're not going to need to have
elections or this is going to be the last time
we have elections. So I again just feel like we
should start taking them at their work.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, the the crisis like manufactured either by dismantling the
entire infrastructure that makes the country safe and operable, safe
and like functional or like whether it was he'll be
just like a war, whether he's just like I don't know,
like this, this would definitely give me more power, and
(20:06):
he just seems to be all about accumulating as much
power as possible. Yeah, I'm not sure on which one.
It's really tired.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
You know, he's just tired lately. Just let elon do it.
You know, he's such a little like he's good, he's
so slump shouldered, right, you know, I know.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
That cabinet meeting where he was just on pause and
he's just like and he's talking and I'll just look
off a thousand yard stair off into the abyss because
I'm not getting control anymore. But this is the rhythm.
I mean, he gets in these adderall rhythms where he's
like he'll he'll go away for a couple of days
and then come back fucking just raging. We we know,
(20:45):
we know how these rhythms work.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
He'd rather be golfing, and he actually, I mean I
always think such a lib like yeah, like, oh, they'll
talk about the golfing, But the fact that he's been golfing.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
This much is christ so much? They're like, well, he's
he's breaking records for just even professional golfers golfing. Remember
when him and bid him, We're like, I bet I
bet I could beat you, and golf game sucks out
of the sand. Cool. Cool, it's a cool system. I
bet I bet my blood pumps at a higher pressure
(21:14):
through my body than yours. My heart is strong. Let's
let's try that. Okay. Yeah, somehow his like high blood
pressure is keeping him alive. It's like there's all the
all these like fucked up things, right, like mister yeah, yeah,
all right, Well, we do have an idea now of
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what things are going to look like going forward from
the Democratic Party. It is, unfortunately exactly what we expected. Uh,
we'll take a quick break. We'll come back and talk
about this little retreat that some center Dems went on
that I feel like reveals the playbook going forward. We'll
(21:59):
be right back and we're back. We're back, and so
this third way sounds not at all nefarious. Group. That's like, guys,
(22:19):
we've tried the Republican, we've tried the Democratic. What if
we tried a third way that was also exactly like
those two. Yeah, but like kind of an average of
the two, kind of because they seem like they're more
moderate than the mainstream Democratic Party. But miles in terms
of like kind of the makeup of this group, who
is powering this group? Where's the We've talked before about
(22:40):
like the pod save guys talking about how when you're
deciding if somebody is a good candidate for office, you
go and they were saying this as a critique, but
it's just the way, like and this is just the
way it is. They're saying, like you just go through
their phone and be like, Okay, that's a billion billionaire. Yeah, okay,
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you actually do qualify you could be a candidate. What
what does an organization like this look like? What's it's
make leadership foundationally? And it's bones right, because this is
a group that got together last month in uh Louden County,
Louden County, Virginia to figure out how do we get
the Democratic Party back on track? How do we reclaim
(23:23):
the attention of the working class and the normal American person?
And so this group the third way put this, you know,
little retreat together with consultants and politicians, their board. I'm
just gonna say the chairperson on the board of trustees
of Thirdway dot Org is one Rachel Pritzker. Now you
may you might be like, wait, I know that last name. Yes,
(23:43):
because of a very it's a very dynastic, wealthy family
hotel like the Hyatt hotels. JB. Pritzker, who's also the
governor of Illinois, is her cousin. She is the chairperson.
So we have somebody who comes from dynastic wealth as
the chair of this group third Way. Then you just
go through their board of trustees. It's either someone who
comes from venture capital, someone who comes from Wall Street,
(24:05):
or like an academic who gives it some sort of
like intellectual credit or yeah, you know, like just just
a little bit of what's the word I'm looking for, Uh,
what I might help me intellectual bona fidees bona fide Yes, exactly.
Where it's like, well, we have this sociologist who's also
on the board who talks about inequality. I mean, obviously
we won't do anything about it, but they are going
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to board. They have trustees, some sociologists from the Stanford
MBA program. Yeah, that's like rich people win get over it.
So they came together and Politico, who's also done a
real interesting job of reporting since Trump has gone into office,
has like sort of un They got a hold of
this pdf that has like five pages of like their
(24:48):
takeaways as they got together to do a mind meld,
and it's so fucking disheartening, but also into it.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, before you go into it, because it's really awful.
Let's just there's it's really important because the way this
or peace was reported on, and even I misunderstood it
when I first read it because it's been making the rounds,
is that it was like they don't name the Third
Way group like politicals like centrist Deems group or like
leading Dems. It's very cagy, yeah, which makes it sound
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like a little bit broader, like more Democrats are buying
into this, or that the DNC maybe have something to
do with it, or the d triple C you know,
and the fundraising arm had something to do with it. No,
the Third Way is like notoriously awful, So I just
want to name like it's it's not it's not necessarily
where the rest of the party, although I have massive
(25:38):
questions about where they're going to go, right, but they
should definitely not listen to yes, the following recommendation.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Right, I think what it is more than anything, shows
that there is the fight for the Democratic Party is
well and truly on, and right now the Centrists are
making their case. They're trying to round the resources to
be like it has to be this version of the
Democratic Party. It can't be this fucking a fringe shit
like that AOC is talking about, or stuff where they're
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talking about like taxing the wealthy. I'm sorry, I'm Rachel Pritzker,
Like I can't have a bite taken out of my
fortune because of this kind of shit. No, but let's
make it sound like something good. So again, this was
the third way is comeback retreat, and there's four sections
takeaways on why Democrats have a cultural disconnect with the
working class, Takeaways on why Democrats are not trusted by
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the working class, on the economy, then takeaways on how
Democrats can reconnect culturally with the working class, and takeaways
on how Democrats can rebuild economic trust with working class voters.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Is this like they all were given a mirror and
just had to hold it up to their own goddamn
faces and were like, we are the reason that the
Democratic Party is not connected to the world. It's like
a do you guys remember the scene? And if I'm
a big Fried Green Tomatoes fan, but like to like
get to know your body like Kathy Bates, like has
air and she looks at her vagina. Yeah, this is
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like they need to look at their faces. Look your
bank account, look your face, look at your car, look
at you know, like who you hang out with?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Who is the person you know personally that you have
in your phone book that you interact with as a person. Yes,
and not a service provider, right, just as just as
a question, I think that should be the first question
rather how many billionaires you know? Your phone cap and
berated the Direct TV guy the other day, Does that count? Yeah?
I didn't even have aid do it. I just had
(27:33):
some steam to blow off. So so I'll read through
these and we can stop at whichever one you'd like to,
because they're all equally infuriating. But first takeaways on why
democrats have a cultural disconnect with the working class. One
over emphasis on identity politics too, the faculty lounge problem,
which is again they're saying quote Democrats are often viewed
as judgmental, out of touch, and dismissive of those without
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elite education or progressive views. I like how they go,
or progressive views very telling, or or us where we
don't like that, we feel like weird. They don't. We
look down on people who aren't college educated. And also
they think we're too woke. Don't ignore. Just to ignore
that last part, keep going, it's woke, it's woke. My
virus number three, failure to prioritize economic concerns. That's true, true,
(28:19):
that's true, But they go it's going to go in
an interesting direction. Well, the subhetter is, while voters struggle
with jobs, wages, and inflation, Democrats are seen as more
focused on cultural and social issues than on economic progress
and opportunity. They don't like racism. Well they're also they're
not they're not connected in any way. They're not all
woven together in this much larger thing called American culture. Anyway.
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Then we weak messaging and communication through fear of dissent
within the party. This is where the wheels completely blow off.
Now Democrats is again from this document quote, Democrats are
perceived as intolerant of internal debate. We're questioning progressive we're
questioning progressive orthodoxy, results in backlash rather than open discussion.
(29:05):
Candidates and operatives need to feel more comfortable just saying
no to activist groups and unpalatable far left ideas. This
is again where you're seeing how the fight's playing out.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I mean like it's like every heading is like okay,
and then their description is like absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, right, right, right right exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So where does Gaza fit into the fear of dissent
within the party?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I mean like there, this is amazing, right, because this
is the whole thing is like we feel like we're
being policed and we feel like we have to get
in line. Now. Granted, we haven't gotten in line, and
we have not listened to our base, and we've ignored
the mass movements, whether it's around BLM or around Gaza.
We completely ignore them and we punch left and we
(29:52):
treat them like shit. Right, but they make us feel
bad and we still ignore them. It's just like what
you what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Kabla Harrison energy coming into the election and then promptly
steered in the direct direction they're suggesting the party go
and lost all the momentum exactly righteah, yeah right. Attachment
to unpopular institutions very weird.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
The ones that are now being obliterated by Elon so
Republican light got it, got.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Got right, allowing the far left to define the party.
Activist groups and progressive staffers push unpopular cultural positions, making
it seem like Democrats are more extreme than they actually are.
What the fuck are you talking about? Operatives and campaigns.
Must remember that activist groups exist to promote their single
issue and raise money around it, not to make Democrats
electable reactionary rather than proactive. Over reliance on buzzwords and
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political correctness hikes and ten, lack a positive national identity message. Okay,
Democrats focus too much on America's flaws racism, sexism, inequality
without acknowledging the country's progress and potential, making them seem
pessimistic and unpatriotic. This is just so very much. Just
got their ass kicked in an election where the opposing
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side did nothing but talk about how America was a
complete shithole. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah again. It's
very right, right right, it is wild? Where again you this?
This next part takeaways on why Democrats are not trusted
by the working class On the economy. They could all
be summed up in one sentence, which is we cape
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for capitalism and the status quo and nothing else. That's
the problem every time. So the first one vilification of wealth.
Democrats are seen as hostile to success, indifferent to people's
desire to attain wealth, while reflexively attacking wealthy business leaders
instead of promoting economic mobility and aspiration. Hm disconnected messaging
(31:46):
like everything is just so. Democrats focus on broad economic
indicators instead of acknowledging real struggles like high prices and
stagnant wages, making voters feel dismissed and unheard. Yeah you can,
this is the problem. You'll point, you'll gesture to the problems,
but you'll never fucking wrestle with the issues. That's that's
I mean, this is just wild.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Like, first of all, these are complete nincome poops number one,
but number one and number two of why democrats are
not trusted by the working class are completely antithetical to
one another. We have disconnected messaging. We don't actually make
it clear that we understand and listen to voters' economic concerns.
When grocery prices are exorbitantly high, they can't afford childcare,
(32:26):
on and on and on. But people are being too
mean to corporations and we can vilify the wealthy. This
is the problem. This is but this is actually why
Joe Biden failed in a lot of ways beyond the
butcher Biden you know, last fifteenth you know year of
his presidency was really about like, Okay, we're going to
sort of nibble around the edges, pass and reforms, go
(32:47):
after you know, monopolies, but we're not going to do
it hard enough or swift enough to actually make real
gains that impact people's lives. And we're going but we're
gonna still piss off the one percent, and we're never
going to gain popular so port for these programs and
for these things like stopping the price gouging or making
sure that you know, you know, Apple and Google and
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Amazon are you know, have to break up or sell
off certain companies or we're you know, we're suing them
all that we're not going to make these very valiant
policies that we are enacting actually popular because we're not
gonna specifically vilify the one percent. Like in order to
connect to people economically, you have to vilify the wealth.
(33:29):
You have to vilify the one percent. It gives people
something to latch onto and that's you know, that's why
Trump is so successful is because he's demonizing immigrants, trans people,
women like, we understand that, So give them the opposite,
say the ninety nine percent versus the one percent. It's
what catapulted the occupy movement into Bernie Sanders two time
near electoral win.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
So it's just like, yeah, the one percent, but the
one percent is running everything, so how can we expect
them to even have this like this one part too.
Failure to address economic anxiety is another one where it's like, yeah,
no shit, but again they just go on to just
like talk around the issue. Another one is nine the
(34:10):
breakroom versus the boardroom. Democratic economic messages often come from
elite celebrities and politicians rather than working class voices that
voters can relate to. What you're saying is, yes, the
party has been captured by the hyper wealthy, so you're
inherently going to have it to communication to our wording,
it's not going to happen with Rachel Pritzker or people
(34:33):
of that ilk at the helm of a political party.
They have absolutely is so far out of their vagina
and a mirror.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Just say that just look at it for us. At
it for a second and it'll be.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Actually it's not nearly as nice as doing that, but like, yeah,
it's this is No one should take anything these people
say seriously. And it's really annoying that the way that
the political article was spun was made it seem like
this wasn't the third everybody knows a third way. Organization
has been like tone deaf. Now the problem is is
that people you know, like James Carville will pair it
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a lot of these points, and many people pay it
these points, which is basically like we need to get
rid of the racial justice component, which is not really
even a component. It's just sort of a lip service
that we pay to real equity in this country. Get
rid of all that language because weren't actually doing anything
to implement it. Also hop on board with DEI programs,
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DIA programs, which are again stopgap measures that mostly make
ourselves look better and so we don't have to address
structural issues economic issues broadly like this is. And then
the last thing like don't make me look at twenty
twenty five and like miss Obama, like don't make me
miss the way. The one thing that Obama was actually
able to do well, which was I think, give some
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sort of narrative structure to this democracy that we live in.
Is specifically when it comes to like multiracial democracy, a
country that is still in formation, in the making, that
is a sum of its parts, you know that its
best days are ahead, not behind, but truly with again
this like call it it's not post racial, but of
course in the minds of a lot of white people,
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this like post racial. Everyone's moving forward, you know, we
can do it together. Like like, it's just so wild
that we live in a time where like two thousand
and nine seemed really hopeful, you know, And and I
say that as someone who in two thousand and nine
was actually not that hopeful, and of course was like
everyone else many progress is very disappointed. But like, it's
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not that hard to have a narrative of multi racial
democracy that is inclusive, where there's an economy that works
for all people. It's fucking really simple to articulate that,
and many politicians do.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, I think it's like just something about this, especially
in third way and knowing how wealthy the people are
behind it too, or like they they can they're reading
the room that the clock is take for people like
for just ignoring the wealth hoarding that's happening from the
like the very wealthy, and I think they're trying to
like dance around it in this way where they're like, ah,
(37:10):
it's a problem, but I certainly don't know how to
contend with it. That ends up with me having less
than I already do. And that's that's a totally that's
because all this stuff just reads to me is it's
pro inequality propaganda, like all of these talking points, and
if that's your worldview, if you're pro inequality or just
(37:30):
indifferent to inequality, all of these talking points are very
easy for you to pairrot and act like you're analyzing
and observing a problem and that maybe there's something to
be done about it, but you are falling short of
the actual work of saying we actually have to begin
to dismantle these structures if we want a tangible effect,
if we want voters to actually have some kind of
tangible outcome that they can then connect to this party
(37:53):
and say, yeah, you know what, I trust them, I'll
vote for them because I can see they understand what's
at stake and they're contending with it than trying to
be like the problem is and this they say this
in their document, small dollar donors, that's a thing to be.
That's a remedy they're putting in here. Revised democratic fundraising
parties move away from the dominance of small dollar donors
(38:16):
whose preferences may not align with the broader electric Aka,
stop listening to the people who were trying to who's
trust we're trying to regain and just just get all
the money from our wealthy friends.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
It is a complete nonsensical document because it's just full
of these hypocrisies. The small dollar donors, I eat many
many people, don't represent many many people.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
No, nobody knows what you're saying. It doesn't make any sense.
And again, this is what's gonna look guys, this is
what gets us fascism. This kind of thinking. Yeah, lines
in the Sanda been drawing, y'all, there's a class war.
Which side are you on? Okay, stop fucking caping like
you care when you want to maintain you know, tax
structure the way it is. When you're not actually really
(39:04):
going to address wealth inequality, shut up, Just go go
over to the side of the room of the gymnasium
with all the billionaires because we don't need you anymore.
We understand, Like truly though, I'm just like so sick
of these people, you know, helping the Democratic Party and
its tail spin and it's their fucking nose dives, because
this is this is what the Kamala Harris campaign did.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It's exactly what these things. Yes, yeah, the I mean,
so the playbook, I feel like for the Democratic Party,
both successfully and unsuccessfully, has been promised progressive change, like
big radical change and then govern as a right leaning
York photocracy and like that playbook and not.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Even really do the former, like not even really promise
broad right.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah yeah, just like gesture esthetically, Obama felt like he
was offering revolutionary change, hope and change, you know, but
then like out really in any sort of real way
did A was I mean, like.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
You know, ACA was a good like when I'm I'm
even again, I put Obama in a separate category at
this point, like Kamala Harris did not run an Obama
campaign at all. There was no big idea and again
there was so much working against her and on and
on and on, but like this is useless.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, no, I mean really. Yeah, I feel like because
people have been fooled by this so long, and like, yes,
the Obama like ACA was something, it was also written
by the insurance industry, and like I think the big
original sin that people can't get past is the bailing
out of Wall Street. And yeah, like but so the
two options seem to be like promise progressive and then
(40:44):
government progressive. If you're not going to do the promise
progressive and then govern as a corporatography, it's promised progressive
and then government progressive or promise corporatography and govern the
way you've always been governing.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
And which why would if you're a corporation, now, why
the like, why would you ever throw it down with Democrats? Again,
the Republicans are promising you the moon and the stars, right,
I mean they are truly doing you a massive service.
I mean, you know, unless you rely on things like
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snap benefits to underpay your workers so they don't come
at you with a knife and shit, right, then that
would suck for you Walmart and others. But like, again,
the line of the sand has been drawn and the
corporations and you've got rub and diego going and like
trying to you know, fundraise with Marc Andreessen and other
you know crypto crypto bros. And be like we're good too,
(41:39):
Like you can't offer them what they want.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
No, and also like open up your let's let's see
the donations you've gotten from that sector, because we all
know what time it is. They just bought you as
a voice to normalize crypto for their own aim. And
like we've talked about before, they were the biggest industry
that was spending this last election cycle to get pro
crypto talking points out to Democrats and republics. The one
thing though, too, which goes along with all this, one
(42:03):
of their takeaways for how they can rebuild economic trust
is to quote number five, be pro aspiration and pro
capitalism in a smart way. Recognize that working class voters
value upward mobility and economic success, have a prosperity gospel
aimed at the working class, call out corporate abuses individually
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instead of attacking quote corporations as a whole. Now, pro
aspiration is such a fucking violent, fucked up term in
this context where it's like not that you're saying, provide
people with this tangible path. It's like they like upward mobility,
but That's why we use the word aspirational, because that
doesn't mean you're delivering. That means you have the hope
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that it will happen. That doesn't mean you have to.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Do use words like grindset, mindset more and uh, you know,
life hack.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Hustler of the Month is going to get a Lambeau
brought to you by the DNC.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I mean truly, truly, it's like, like, okay, so instead
of free college tuition, you want to lie to people
exactly the way that Republicans lie to them. And no
one's saying that the allure of a get out of
capitalism free card or like being able to get a
bunch of money through crypto doesn't exist precisely because of
the moment that we're in, and honestly precisely because the
(43:22):
Democratic Party has lost their way, you know, since FDR
and since it's embrace of neoliberalism. But I'm very excited
in twenty twenty eight for the fucking for Gavin Newsom
to trot out Bill fucking Clinton again and again and again.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah. Right. One of the things is like hanging out
with like meeting them where they are at tailgates and
gun shows, which is just and and I think small
town diners, which first of all, like loaning in tailgates,
gun shows, local restaurants. This is written by the most
billionaire motherfucker, Like you know, tailgates and gun shows, local restaurants.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
And it's all white coated, right, isn't that just white coated?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, this is all going for like conservative
Middle America.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
By the way, unsuccessful Democratic candidates have been trying to
lean into gun culture and failing since Ducaccus in eighty
right when he like drove that fucking tank like carry
had an infamous gun photo op Kamala kept ragging about
how she had a glock like it just it feels
like they've got taken taken. Like the twenty twenty four
(44:34):
election is just like let's double down on listening to
the exact wrong people who told us all the things
that made us lose. Yeah. Well, then you also have
like senators like Chris Murphy who are like kind of
kind of like having an internal debate with themselves about
seeing the light where they're like, I think it's like
(44:54):
we gotta listen to like these poor people man, and
like we're just not doing a good job. But also shit.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I'm like, I'm hard to determine.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I don't even care are I was like, uh huh, yeah,
I know, which is like it all feels performative because
at the end of the day, like these people, their
entire existence is rooted in the fact that this system
stays the same. So I can't really it's hard for
me to believe that they now have this steal to
go after to start to even begin to reckon with
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all of these structures that exacerbate the very income or
the inequality that they're saying is causing a disconnect. It's like, well,
we're not going to contend with the issue, but we
need to figure out how to tell them that the
sky is blue when this shit is black.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Back in twenty twenty, I did a news Broke episode
that was basically like how to Beat Trump and one
of the bullet points, which is one that we just
you could just erase this entire thing and just have
one bullet point, which is be authentic, and I would
revise that and just say believe in something, literally, believe something.
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Pick a thing to actually believe in.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
We believe Santa.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
For me, that's it exactly, Like I don't even give
a shit of its Santa. If it's Santa, sell me
on Santa, but I need you to actually believe it.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I think the thing about Santa, he's given too many
handouts to people that don't deserve it. You know, wait what,
you're just boomerang that.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Santa is a nice idea. That's a good concept, but
really they should be earned stocking stuffers. And you know,
if you don't pay into the stalking system, it should
be sort of based on your own income.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
How many toys? I just hate that they basically are
taking treat human beings with dignity and respect and saying
that this is radical far left thinking. Like because if
you just tell someone, you don't have to evoke any
kind of political theory here, just be like this, here's
your platform. We believe that you have the right to
healthcare without going bankrupt because your body gets fucked up
(47:00):
from maybe the myriad of threat vectors we put in
the environment to to you know, corporate activity. Whatever. Healthcare. Okay,
you should be able to have a roof over your head.
If you would like an education, that should be attainable
for you at any kind. You want to learn a trade,
you want to go to university. Okay, we got that
covered food. What else? Healthcare? Childcare, that your children will
(47:22):
be safe. That's really those are so broad that it
would be hard like you're not I mean, some conservatives
will be like, we're trying to give a handout, but
other people they are clamoring for things to be more
affordable or their lives to be less shitty. Just articulate
that in a way that is just talking about it's
just like the basics. It's really just the basics, but
it's it's much easier for it to get like sort
(47:44):
of muddled in this kind of like think tank talk
and then have places like Politico be like, all right,
this is like this is kind of what might be
the new normal way for the Democratic Party, or at
least we'll give this the most attention. So no version
that seems too fucking quote radical takes hold, and you know,
people start looking the other also.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
You know, it's like if you really want to learn
from the Republicans, because all this is is looking at
the other side more like hey, they're good good, and like,
you know, I do understand this idea of like speaking
to people wanting to get ahead, and our intense individualism
and all this and people liking money and people not
wanting the collective, and that's going to take a long
many years to rebuild that sense of collectivity of a
(48:25):
real like yes, an American identity that is about equal
protection under the law, that is about everyone getting an opportunity.
Like there's been so much hollowing out of the government.
Many people believe obviously all this shit is dead if
it ever were alive. But I'm like thinking about it,
and I'm like, Okay, universal education like free tuition. Right,
let's say community colleges, state schools to begin with. And
(48:48):
if you don't want to take advantage of free university tuition,
you can get money instead. It's like, so you get
it's like putting money in people's posts. People love money,
and so it's like, you know what I'm saying, It's
like something like that where it's like it feels like
socialism to a kind of exactly. It Also, if you
don't like exactly, you could get money to go to
(49:11):
a trade school or like start your own business right
out of college or high school, whatever you want. But
we want to promote you going to school you freely
and fair you know, all that we think everyone should
have an economic I mean educational opportunity like that, but
also here's money. Like if ins said you don't like
things like that, that would be an interesting creative way
(49:31):
to address this moment that we're in, but also talk
about what can actually solve you know, yeah, you know
the moment that we're in.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Or they talk about, oh, people love aspirational stuff and
like they're driven or whatever. That's because there's no fucking
middle class. If there was a middle class, people wouldn't
be aspiring to be lambeau driving, like jet hopping, fucked
with sex traffickers because they look at that as being like, well,
those are the option. Those are like if I want
to go on a trip, like have like a nice dinner,
(50:02):
look like I have to be hyper wealthy because my
job that used to be able to afford someone a
very normal, enjoyable life, that fucking vision is gone. So
that's what they're aspiring to. It's not that they want,
not necessarily, but the example that we have in society
is that you must have X amount of dollars for
this experience to be enjoyable. Yeah, just those people in
(50:24):
extreme version, those people putting me in pain, and that's
those are your two options. Be the one who's getting
fucked over and scammed, or be the scammer or the
person's like making all the money and your stupid yeah
is also part of it. Let's take a quick break,
we'll come back. We'll say a quick goodbye to Skype.
(50:44):
We'll be right back. Goodbye Skype, and we're back and
good bye Skype. All right, that is our episode. Oh
you didn't hear so Skype is about to die. Uh
(51:07):
it will ring for the last time on May fifth,
single to mile. Yeah. Yeah, they're going out big part
in bio And it's just it's kind of worth taking
a step back and asking has any tech company fumbled
its place quite like Skype? Like we used the word
(51:32):
Skype as a verb to describe what Zoom now does. Yes,
And when the pandemic hit, everyone just was like, no,
fuck Skype, We're going to Zoom. Because Microsoft had acquired
Skype for eight point five billion dollars in twenty eleven,
it's not like they had just like gotten an infusion.
They had it for eight solid years, nine solid years.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Well, they did launch Microsoft spaces was it spaces Space?
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Well now, so basically they're just shifting this over to teams.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Teams I forgot.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah yeah, Google Spaces, Google Spaces, Microsoft Teams. It's easy
to tell apart. And it's why so much? Yes, yes,
every week quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
I've created five accounts.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
What's going on? They basically tried so once they got
that big investment acquisition by Microsoft, they just like started
trying to be everything X everything app. They started trying
to be like they created their own like emoji system
called Moji's. They call it's called moojis. They're like emojis, No,
(52:48):
they're mojis, and actually you get you get fined if
you say if you put the E in there. Can
you imagine in that pitch meeting, they're like, and we
have Moji's and they're like, is that just emojis? No? No, no,
man five ads yeah, something about seven minute abbs. Yeah.
They also tried to like be Snapchat. They put put
(53:10):
a bunch of features together from Snapchat. The developers just
did not focus on the core functionality of making sure
the video call quality remained. And so I think the
thing was just like when you when the pandemic hit,
you could just have like a zoom link and like
you could just use it like for free basically, like
(53:30):
you didn't have to like set up a thing and
like connect it to your phone number, like have a
separate you know. It was just easy to use, and
they were just like not there yet.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
It was browser based, right, I mean that's isn't that
the whole thing?
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, sky gon app, though they have an app, It's
just like it wasn't as easy to use. It wasn't no,
but no one.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Would send you a skypelink and be like join my
meeting or join my call.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Right, that's just like you had to it was. It
felt more like they were still in the world at
first phones. Yeah, yeah, like you had to like Skype me,
here's my user name.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
You know, this is upsetting to me because I used
Skype well for a very long distance relationship for a
long time, so that was like pivotal, Like all my
Skype is like, you know, falling in love with my
ex you know.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Through Skype.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
Wow, Skype yad you know, as we used to say,
and uh. And then also I used Skype to call
people when I want to hide my phone number. Yeah yeah, yeah,
you know, like all the people I stock mostly did
representatives and so I don't know how. I guess I
could do that with a Google Voice number, but I'm
trying to figure out how to do that because I
(54:39):
don't want people tracking me back to my phone.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Sure yeah yeah, Google Voice, Google Voice help Google Voice
the move. But Burner Phone shout out to Skype. We
hardly knew ye a mere twenty years in existence.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
This is just like it's like you know, the comedian
I e Me, who didn't you know, start learning TikTok
during the pandemic really screwed up. Yeah, it's like Skype,
what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Yeah? Yeah, oh god.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
But also just such a waste because they didn't need
the money. I mean, that's what monopoly does, where you're
like in other hands, I'm I like to think, and
I don't know anything about running a business, but like
Skype would have been it, they would have maintained it.
But it's like if you don't really need I don't know,
I'm just like one of.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Your company, then you're like, yeah, whatever, fool, I got
my payday right exactly.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Zoom isn't Microsoft.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
You're like a satellite branch in like some part of Microsoft.
That's just yeah, being ignored and mismanaged quietly behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
So now it is truly just Zoom and like Google meets.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Zoom and team and teams of course, and Zoom hasn't been.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Acquired or Zoom is just like the Zoom Empire.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Now are he zooms its own thing now? Yeah, we're
in the zoom age.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Okay, yeah yeah until Elon buys it for.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
However much Francesca, it's it's been a pleasure as always
having you on the daily. Where can people find you?
Hear you?
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Like every time we have like multiple stories and then
I just talk so much that we don't get to.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
That is every episode of the show episode, no matter
the guest.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Dude, you can I feel that. I mean I feel
I never feel rushed. So thank you and thanks for listening.
Uh you can find me at Franni fou on all
the socials and listen to the Situation Room where you
get your podcasts, or watch it live on YouTube at
Franni Theo. But also if you really want to come
see me, I'll be doing stand up with my husband
(56:36):
Matt Leeb on Sunday, March sixteenth in Sacramento and then
May seventh, which is a Wednesday at Cobbs Comedy in
San Francisco, and it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
So so fun two days after the Skype funeral.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Oh shoot, that's right, we're gonna Yeah, we're gonna pour one.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Out for some guy Irish wake for Skype. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
And if you are in Pasadena, if you're in Los Angeles,
I'll be March twenty sixth at the Ice House. I
have my show New World Disorder monthly stand up show there.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
It'll be good. Nice. Is there a workymedia that you've
been enjoying?
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Okay, there is a skeet. Yeah, we call it made I.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Just in this household their skeets.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, they're skeets. There's a skeet Amy Brown and I
hadn't seen this joke before, so I'm attributing it to
Amy Brown, who said, I'm not the first to say it,
but I do sort of see where Jade Vance's mom
was coming from when she traded him for drugs.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Miles, Where can people find you? Is there a workimedia
you've been enjoying? Yeah? Find me everywhere They have at
Symbols at Miles of Gray, and also find Jacket out
on the basketball podcast Miles and Jacket Adam Bustie's. You
can also find me with Sofia Alexander talking ninety day
on four twenty day Fiance. A couple streets I like.
(57:54):
First one is John Boys, John Bois, I said. Next
door started sending me email digest I never asked for
but I'm really glad they did. Someone just posted a
photo of a parked car with a door open, like, hey,
heads up in case this is your car. Someone asked
if they closed it. They said no, because what if
I close it and the car explodes? Sounds like some
(58:16):
next door ass logic. And then Emma Burkwist at Emma
Broquist dot bescati social But god, it must be so
easy to be a dem consultant, just sitting around making
two hundred and fifty k a year to say things like, actually,
voters don't want healthcare, they want you to go to
gun shows and start using the word orientals again. All right.
(58:36):
You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore, o
Brian on Blue Sky at Jack ob the number one
I like to tweet from lesbian Mothman at very Small
River tweeted, shortening cilantro to slaunch. I like it. That's great,
good Irish. There a Brieve slaunch. Yet. You can find
(58:57):
us on Twitter at daily Zeke and on Blue Sky
at Daily's like Ice. We're at the Daily Chased on Instagram.
We have a Facebook fan page on a website Daily
zeikes dot com where we post our episodes and our
footnotes where we link off to the information that we
talked about in today's episode, as well as the song
that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a
song you think people might enjoy? Yeah, there is a
(59:20):
track called I Remember. It's like two Eyes and remember
a Marabou State m A R I B o U.
They are a duo from the UK. I've heard like
some I've heard electronic tracks Eve done, this feels more
of like a live band vibe with some really good
it's It kind of feels like a track jungle kind
(59:41):
of what it makes. So if you like that kind
of like funky, it's got just just solid, solid track
with a little bit of bounce to us. So keep
your daylight and bouncing. This one called I Remember, I Remember.
I I like when Mark Wahlberg gets taste in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
light plan a little flight plan reference for it, flight risk. Sorry,
(01:00:01):
oh boy, Yeah, all right, we will link off too.
I remember in the footnotes, which you can also find
in the show description. Wherever you're listening to this, The
Daily Zeitgeist is the production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts
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afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we'll talk
(01:00:23):
to you all then. Bye bye.
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