Dr. Strange = Proud Boy? Too Much Content 05.11.22

In episode 1245, Jack and Miles are joined by hosts of Better Call Paul, Mesh Lakhani and Paul Sarker to discuss… Streaming Fatigue Is Real, The Right is Trying to Claim Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and more!

1. Streaming Fatigue Is Real
2. How subscriptions took over our lives
3. The Right is Trying to Claim Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
4. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness’ Banned in Saudi Arabia
5. The Scarlet Witch in the Multiverse of Misogyny

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season two thirty six,
Episode three of Joys Like Guys Day production of I
Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a
deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Wednesday, May eleventh,
which of course means that it is a National School
Nurse Day. It is also National Twilight Zone Day. Yeah,

(00:23):
we're talking about the Ocean Zone? Are we talking about
the TV proper words? I think we are talking about
you have entered the twilight Zone, the TV show which
I don't know why it's on May eleventh because it
premiered in on October one, but hey as whatever knows. Yeah, wait,
are you a big twilight Zone Him? Nope, that's just
me reading the information about the holiday. I mean, you

(00:46):
can just fake it, Like I feel like, even in
my October one in the back of my mind, I'm
not like I've like I just had a as a kid.
I was like it's in black and white him, and
then as I got older, they're like, no, the writing
is really good. And then I watched him like, Okay,
you had a point, right. So that's my relationship with

(01:09):
twilight Zone. But I'm not gonna front like I'm a
super fand I never watched it growing up. I watched
Alfred Hitchcock Presents. I remember that that was also in
black and white, but I remember it like being primetime
viewing for something. Is that the one where he would
walk into his like yeah, a little bit on the side, yeah,
ut silhouette, Yeah yeah yeah. Well anyways, my name is

(01:31):
Jack O'Brien, a k my Anaconda. Don't want none unless
you're pro boer Sean. That is courtesy Ruthless Fudge at
Ruthless Spudge on Twitter, and I'm through to be joined
as always buy my co host, Mr Miles Gray, Miles
Gray Gay, the Blaze and visual artist your boy ko

(01:54):
Sama straight twisting Backwoods on Lankershon they called me Hideo NoHo,
get out my way. I'm here, Thank you so much,
Ippy to use something the kind of intro to I
just wanted to feel. I've had a song in my heart.
You know well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined
in our third and fourth seats. Former Marvel entertainment lawyer,

(02:17):
current Big Law media attorney and an entertainment enthusiast who
hosts the podcast Better Call Paul, It's Mesh La Khani
and Paul Sarker. What's up? Hello, Hello, Hey guys, how
are you doing? Hey guys, thanks for having us, Thanks
for awesome to be here. We're taking tips on those intros.
That's uh, that's quite an intro, you guys have there.

(02:40):
You got any aks, you got any you got any
sing song? Word play on your names? Not off the top.
You can't put me on the spot like that. Ak
a John Mesh like John Tesh. That was what I
was gonna say. Yeah, well some people ak Mesh like
the shorts. Yeah, there you go, like the shows me

(03:01):
Marina like the Jamaicans wear that meshed tank top. Yeah,
I like that. Also, I think that's kid kid Marrows Aku. No,
he's the Mesh Marina with the cold miss meat or
cool demeanor and a flat forget it's been so long
since the art has come out. But anyway, another thing, subtle,
subtle shade. We're not just fans. Where are you guys?

(03:25):
Coming to us from NYC? And I heard of it
right now? Yeah, sir, the big Old Apple, I think,
h yeah, the Big Old Apple. Apple never sleeps well, actually,
you know it does sleep. I was out last night
with friends and we couldn't find anywhere to go to.
It was completely dead. So it sleeps on Mondays. There

(03:48):
you go, not in a good way. When I worked
for Diane Sawyer, I had to stake out the clubs
in the meatpacking district to interview young men about whether
they were using viagra as a party drug. And and
they they were like the clubs out until like four
and it, Yeah, it got pretty sleepy there for a

(04:12):
little while, and I was cold. But people were using
viagra as a party drug. Wait, so Jack, We're just
outside the club, like, hey, man, can I talk to
you really quick there? Like yeah, I mean I like
via a party What was the what was the answer
you're getting? They're like, no, it's called something else. Mostly
it was I would do you have some? And no,

(04:34):
this isn't that kind of Yeah, No, I'm here for
with ABC News. What bro leave me alone? Yeah, I don't.
I don't know what the conceivable like what conceivable story
they were after there, But it sounds like a thing
older people would think of. It's like, man, imagine if

(04:56):
it's doing this to me at fifty five, what are
the young eyes doing? Are they just are they just
blasting off to another planet, like Jack, go down there,
give me three words on this. Mike Nichols was like, hey,
you know what, Diane, the stuff could work for a
lot of people. The I I do remember that, like

(05:16):
one of the young people who like started with me,
like I was five when I started there, and you know,
she was around the same age, and she had all
these scoops on like what the kids were up to
that I'm pretty sure she was making up and like
one of the I think I think the viagra thing
might have been one of them. Another was called toothing,

(05:37):
which was where like you use bluetooth to just like
hit people up in randomly proposition the people around you
to see if they want to have sex. That actually
sounds like something that did exist. I think there was
an app that works. Yeah, yeah, and that's why we
spent a year looking into it and never never found anything.

(06:00):
People do that with the AirPods. Now, they'll they'll try
to connect to people's AirPods and and play some stuff
on it and see if they can get some type
of interaction. I don't know. Yeah, God, I can't think
of an easier way for me to be like, oh cool,
what you just completely invaded my earspace. Oh you want
to have a cool, nice to meet you person who
has no boundaries. Well, Mesh and Paul, we're going to

(06:22):
get to know you guys a little bit better in
a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a couple
of the things that we're talking about. We're gonna talk
entertainment industry, since that is you guys specialty, specifically streaming fatigue,
Is it real? Where where do we go from here?
And then we are gonna talk about doctor Strange in
the Multitude of Madness. Mesh, I think you called it

(06:45):
a couple of times on your Most ras An episode.
I actually did it right before we were I was
talking to Paul earlier and I did it again. So
I'm now just convinced the name. It's a it's a mouthful,
that title. Like in another mold, in another multiverse, there
is a move movie called Multitude of Madness exactly. Yeah,
it's there. There's many madnesses. I've I've specifically come out

(07:07):
as anti this movie because the title is scary to me,
but it does seem popular, uh, and the right is
trying to claim it. So we'll we'll talk about the
culture wars around that and trying not to fall asleep
while doing that. All that plenty Moore, But first, Mesh
and Paul, we do like to ask our guests, what

(07:28):
is something from your search history that's revealing about who
you are. So I'm kind of a nerd. I like
to research a lot about like space and sort of
like interplanetary societies, and you know what's going to happen
if Earth like runs out of water or freshwater, or
you know, asteroid comes too close or whatever. So I
searched a lot about that. Um from Philly. I'm a

(07:50):
big Eagles fan, so I've been searching a lot about
our draft picks and like what they did in college
and how they're going to translate to the pros. And
I got a lot of business travel lined up, so
I'm always kind of looking for flights and um hotels
and stuff. So in your interplanetary searches, do you have
these thoughts and then you're like, Okay, I need to
see who's thinking about this also, or who's who's seemingly

(08:13):
coming to an answer about like your question. That's something
I think of living in California with the drought and
you know, desertification of the West seeming to be in
full effect here. What you know, what what kind of
what kind of things have you learned in your search
for these answers? Well, you know, so I don't want
to say I'm like fatalistic about it, but I think

(08:34):
there's a lot of optimism and hope out there that
people think. You know, it's just you know, things are
going to progress sort of like logarithmically. You know, we
can get some critical massive people to travel really quickly too,
you know, moons in the in the Solar System and
sort of set up shop there and then you know
kind of so perhaps fly business. Yeah, I think oh

(08:58):
sky is falling. Yeah, you know, there's there's optimism out there,
and it's so vast, right Like, that's the other thing
we we don't really can't really comprehend how far things
are away from us and how long it would take
to get there. But it doesn't mean it's hopeless. Yeah. Yeah,
space at like, the Solar System is the size of

(09:20):
Ohio in most depictions of space, it's like and then
a little bit out further you've got the asteroid belt,
and the asteroid belt is looks like a lazy river
full of you know, asteroids, like whereas reality everything so
far apart. The asteroids themselves are far very far apart,
and you from one planet, the other planets look like

(09:44):
just little specs in the sky. They don't. They don't
look like I don't know, I feel like I when
I picture outer space in a movie, it's just like
a classroom model. You know. Yeah, the maps are off master,
your map are all all funked up, Hollywood. But to
your point, there are a lot of oceans, even on

(10:06):
like moons in our Solar system that have more water
than Earth, and I think only the three of water
on Earth is considered fresh water. That so, you know,
may not be hopeless if if we can find out
find a way sort of um treat ocean water and
drink it or something. Has that not been the case.
I thought that I've been able to do that. I

(10:27):
thought they were. I think they doake aircraft amounts of energy,
maybe cruise ships, well, aircraft carriers have nuclear reactors on
them that power them, and they're able to like do
tons and like create tons and tons of de salonization.
But on a daily basis, I think the hard part

(10:48):
that people say is like if you don't live near
the coast, then getting the access to that desalonized waters,
Like the next sort of problem that would have to
be solved is like sure that can help things along
the hosts, but like, where's the infrastructure to move massive amounts?
How about you? Mesh? What what is uh? Something from
your search history? Helping my sister find dinner for ten

(11:12):
people in New York City at eight pm on a Wednesday,
which is impossible, and you need a private dining room
and I got some. I actually went. I was like
helping her, and it couldn't find anything that was like,
you know, you don't want to throw I don't want
to throw her like a Buco to Beppo in Times Square, right,
And so I'm trying to find her something. I'm like, look,
I found this private room, like hopefully it will be legit.

(11:35):
And then we did the search and then I emailed
them and they came back. So it's a minimum for
ten people plus five hundred dollars renting the room, plus
that doesn't include tax and gratuity. And by the way,
we can only fit ten people in the private dining room.
And I'm like, oh my god, that's New York for you.
So yeah, what do you do when you want to

(11:56):
have like a big birthday kind of thing and eat
with a bunch of people in New York? Like, is
it just like what is the place that you're sort
of reflectively would think, like you gotta you gotta like
a bar, you gotta a bar dive, or you gotta
like it does. Yeah, there's a check e cheese. You're
basically going for like the C list of anything you wanted,

(12:19):
so you basically get rid of all your friends are
like mix them across like part of the week, like
a ten person dinner. You gotta plan like and especially
now in New York, reservations are just taking over our lives.
You can't just walk in anymore. I don't know if
l A have the same problem. No, I mean it depends,
but I think New York has such a like people,

(12:39):
it's a such a destination, and on top of it,
there's like so many good restaurants popping up all the
time that like I remember one of the times I
was visiting in the fall, Someone's like, Oh, you gotta
try this restaurant, but you gotta log on to like
the reservation site at midnight. And I'm not joking. I
felt like a bunch of bots, all the reservations, and
I was like, how the fund did that happen? Like

(13:01):
I I'm good at buying ship like when it drops
like just from being a like you know, reformed hype beast.
So I was like, oh, it's nothing to get a
reservation cut to like literally within seconds, everything was vaporizing, like,
I don't know what. Okay, I guess you're walking at
five o'clock when it opens on a Monday and you
pray right right right. I guess I'll go to Sta

(13:23):
Bagel again. What's What's something you guys think is overrated?
I think sparkling water is everrated? Okay, I'm a tap
tap person. Oh I guess I get that some people
I don't like tap or or can't drink like still water,
but I don't personally understand it. Do you disagree on
that then, poll? Okay, I didn't need to cause some

(13:45):
tension here. Do you like sparkling at all? You're you're
just you? You said, no, I don't need that. I'm
I'm fine sparkling. No. I mean, so, I don't mind
fizz like soda or like a red bull, but I
just I don't I don't get the sparkling water thing.
I think so, you know, I think it's a little
hoity toity, like digging digging away. You're in your Philly.

(14:08):
That's the thing. Maybe we should have it. I didn't
realize that. I didn't realize you hate it sparkling water
so much. We're trying to turn this on the crossfire
where you guys are just going at each other. All right,
sparkling water sucks, mash go, you're Abut I have a
sot of stream in my house, so yeah, I just

(14:29):
got one. They're great. I don't I I feel you
on this, Paul. Like when I'm thirsty, I'm not thinking,
oh I need a sparkling water. I'm like, I need
water so I can down a bunch of like fluid
before without my chest bursting because of like the intensity
at which I drink things. I'm thirsty, you know what.
You know what I'm talking about, Like when you start

(14:52):
that and then your chest feels like like like alien
davy is about to pop out. Yeah, so I don't
like you for that, but like I like it to
you know, I'm mixed drinks with sparkling water and things
like that. He just likes to have, like to sip on,
but like for pure hydration. There's no fucking way I
could be like, I need a pellet rino. Yeah, I
see someone with sparkling water in the gym. That wouldn't

(15:15):
make sense, right what so well, I'd have something to say,
or I wouldn't say something, but I would be judgment
on my mind under my breath after I left. I
went into an infrared sauna the other day, and you know,
you get bottles of water and you go into it,
and they were only stocked with sparkling water. I think

(15:35):
someone made a mistake. So I'm in the sauna and
I'm like chugging it and didn't don't realize it's sparkling
water and they didn't have regular water in that case,
sparkling water does not work when you're in a hundred
and seventy five degree you know. And then I'm sure
the burps are like criminal, you know, an environment stat Yeah, well,
what's something that you think is underrated? Paul? Okay, I'm so.

(16:00):
I'm I used to live in l A. I think
in and out animal style fries are underrated. I think
they're the best fry, and I've heard a lot of
hate about in and out fries, and I think if
you get them well done animal style, you can't go wrong.
You know. It's so funny. I was in the and
then you lost me because I'm the most despicable kind

(16:22):
of in and out fry fan. I like them lightly fried.
I like she sticks on my animals. It's like a
loaded baked potato when you do it like that, that's
in my mind was happening. Yeah, then you definitely need
the fork. Oh yeah, yeah, you gotta have the fork.
So it's like more miles. What you order is more

(16:42):
like Shepherd's pie basically something it's not potatoes stuck to
the bottom of the chunk of cheese and yeah, melted
American cheese and whatever they're fried, you know, Thousand Islands basically. Yeah.
Are you missing it out there in New York or
you do? I missed a lot. Whenever I'm in l A,
I go like two days a week because it's I

(17:03):
really like it that much, and we have. I've been
there since end of February. So there's nothing like it
out here. Okay, shake shacks nothing like it. I don't
understand the shape shack is not. Yeah, the eye roll
from Paul I just had when this man came through

(17:24):
with the I'm personally I love shake check. I feel
I feel in and Out was a little bit overrated,
specifically because of the up to You know, they're just
not my favorite kind of fries. But no, I hear
you on the I hear you on the kind of

(17:46):
like the mushiness of it. That's why I get them
well done, and then I think they're They're really good.
But the burgers are kind of the same though. Miles
and I ordered together, and he always makes me order
the medium rare. He says, can I get this as me?
Get them? Get get them blue now? I say blue. Yeah,

(18:06):
I want those blue, baby, like I want the natural
cultures from the earth that the potato grew and still
still alive. I mean they're really fresh. You watch them
like slice the potato right right in front of you. Yeah. Well,
like speaking of New York culture, cuisine culture, like the
my roommate and I once like drove I think an

(18:31):
hour and a half to go to like a Chick
fil A on the Jersey Turnpike because like there was
no Chick fil A at the time. Like you come
to like really be into weird things that are available elsewhere,
like the the Ikea. At the time, there wasn't an
ike on Manhattan and people would like, there isn't anymore.

(18:51):
They closed that. Yeah, it's trying to go closer to January. Yeah,
there's one of Red Hook and I think in Red
Hook or something like that, like random like a kmart
hidden in the middle of I think they closed that too.
I think, yeah, but like that I would go in
there and then Dayton, Ohio again mess up about you

(19:14):
with something that's underrated. Underrated, I would say that I'm
quite disappointed. I don't know if you guys seen it,
but Station Levin, the show on HBO Max that was
based off the graphic novel, just didn't really get the
attention I thought. I thought that was a fantastic show.
Is one of my favorite of the of the of
the year. So yeah, I I thought it was very effective,

(19:36):
to the point that it was unsettling for me at
the time that like I was like, we're kind of
like like living a verse of this or yeah, and
you are doing it so well, like really I think encapsulated,
like just you know, from that first episode, like that
transition from like order to chaos and then like what
do we do next? So in that sense, I think

(19:58):
it was absolutely great for me. But I think I
say it was so good, it unsettled me to the
point that I had to like put a lot of
space in between episodes. I try to get people to
watch it, and when I tell them the premise or like,
why the hell would I watch that? Like that's our
life right now, but it's not, And that's not really
our life that we're living right now, but it could be.
If you don't watch it, you would be prepared for
life like that. If you watch and then everyone's like

(20:20):
you gotta get Like he's like once you get, for
your friends, like when you get deeper, it has more
of a story rather than you just living in the
panic of the earth is crumbling around us and be
to hide in our house forever. Get to episode eight
of ten and then you're you're right there. Yeah, I
feel like it came out. It came out a man,
I gotta start watching it. It's a good one. Yeah,

(20:40):
it's really good. It came out around the same time
as Yellow Jackets, which I feel like they split voters
a little bit. Like it was it was kind of
a They were both like sort of post apocalyptic wilderness
type things. It is. I was on Yellow Jackets first,
and then I was like, fine. It took me a
while to get around to it because I don't I

(21:00):
don't have time to just watch the same show twice
in a row. But Station elevens. It's funny, you say,
because I never haven't seen Yellow Jackets as much as
people have been like, watch Yellow Jackets, and I was like,
I can't do it. You know, I only had the
mental capacity for one of them. You watched the better
one already, so like, Yellow Jackets is fun, but you

(21:22):
like Station leven more than Yellow Jackets. I did, Yeah,
I mean not that I got through Yellow Jackets, but
I remember how enthusiastic you were about Yellow Jackets. But
I know in your back pocket you're like, but Station
at least have that picture of Station of leven fold
and look at it like it's still you. It's still you. Yeah, yeah,
there is more buzz about Yellow Jackets. People weren't talking
about Station leven like you have seen Station eleven. It'd

(21:43):
be like me and then they'd all be talking about
Yellow Jackets. So you're just the wrong, Yeah, because I
think having like Christina Ricci and like Juliette Louis back
and stuff people like like like a real like something
awoke and people like yes, the nineties and odds. That's true. Yeah,
I still have like quotes from Station eleven like popping
my head. It added that old Tribe song to my playlists.

(22:07):
Which yeah, it's just it's just a really really like
all around great show. I highly recommend it. It was
a good underrated. Man, all right, let's take a quick break.
We'll be right back. And we're back, and I mean

(22:30):
we're just kind of talking about this streaming fatigue enough time.
Too many shows, too many shows. There are currently three
shows on that I would have like wished for in
the past, like I would have like I would be
you know, objectively, we run this city should be something

(22:51):
that is like appointment viewing for me, and like I
should have a text chain going with like all my
friends who I who you know I watched The Wire
with and and I haven't watched It's like out. The
reviews are great. It's by the people who made The Wire.
It's about Baltimore City police and corruption, updated for the

(23:14):
realities of our modern world and what we've found out
about police just in general, and I'm just like, I
don't know it's right. You know, we've i think increasingly
since the simplicity of just it being Netflix to then
every other platform coming online, like with every single one,

(23:37):
like I feel like my attention is split and fractured,
and on a certain level it feels like everything's blending together,
like there's no such thing as TV or film in
a way. Like I think that's the sensation that's had
on me. Like I used to be very like as
a kid, it was like you watched HBO has fucking
movies and then you watch TV shows here. But now

(23:59):
with every coming online with streaming, like, I don't know,
I don't know if that's a good thing or a
bad thing that I'm sort of viewing everything through this
singular lens. But but yeah, I think the reason why
we even bring up the fatigue and stuff is obviously,
like when Netflix lost a bunch of those subscribers, Everyone's like,
what the fos is going on? And so many, like
the streaming world, felt like it was very Some were

(24:22):
high fiving, others were panicked. Yeah, Wall Street ship themselves
when they lost subscribers for the first time, and I
think people there were a lot of think pieces about
streaming fatigue, but it's definitely something I don't know. It
seems like when the pandemic hit, there's too little, and
then they overcompensated, and now there's too much, and I

(24:46):
don't know, like will we just will there be too
little again and then we'll all catch up on all
the stations eleven that we missed and all all the
great content that we missed her. But you guys, you
guys talk about the business event entertainment. What what are
your thoughts on on this kind of overall story. Well,

(25:06):
I mean, I think from a business perspective, this is
sort of how things EBB and flow. I mean, you know,
rewind you know to what you guys were talking about
ten years ago when it was basically just Netflix and
you know, people were watching a lot of linear television
and appointment viewing or whatever, you know, one show a

(25:27):
week and then you know, tune in at eight o'clock
and watch you know, next week. And Netflix was just
crushing everybody because they had a brand new business model.
There were no ads, you could binge things and that instantly,
you know, shifts every studio heads, every content executive focus
too or right now, how do we win at their game?
How do we compete in that arena? And there's a

(25:50):
couple of year leg when you sort of build out
your infrastructure, you get your talent team, you raise the capitol,
you start developing shows and and getting on intellectual property
to make a competitive offering. And then it usually overcorrect,
right because it's not like you just find the ideal
amount of content. It's like everyone jumps in and tries
to start competing, and then at a certain point the

(26:11):
pendulum swings back the other way, and then you have
content overload and then you know, as we saw with
CNN Plus, and you know, there's other streaming services that
are not going to be here, you know, a year
from now or two years from now, because that the
money isn't there, Like people can't have ten or fifteen
streaming services, and so it's gonna go back into some
form of consolidation at least that's what I think. But

(26:32):
I think it's this is just the process. Like everyone
sees the dollars and thinks, I wanna, you know, get
into this space, and then they commit a certain amount
of money. They probably overspend and um, they're chasing something
and hoping that they can get a piece of it. Yeah,
I mean you can. You can also compare it to
like not just streaming in the sense of content like

(26:55):
movies and TV pandemic. We have two years growth and
just generally a lot of places ran up like five
x more than it would run up and in a
two year span it would it was like the equivalent
of like five six seven years of growth in like
a twenty four months span. Obviously, like the zooms of
the world, the pelotons of the world, we've seen all
of those come come come down. Everything's correcting itself. So

(27:18):
I think there it's all just coming down to a
point of Look, this was a weird time. People were
doing more stuff. We're going back to almost regular life.
I mean, look at gym memberships. There was a point
in time when nobody wants to go to the gym.
We have Peloton. Now gym memberships are back up again.
People are like leaving their Peloton subscriptions, like I want
to go to a gym again. And so I think,

(27:38):
you know, to Paul's point, you're just seeing a general
correction of these things. And what's like I mean when
I would always look at just the amount of content
coming out because on some level, like it's somewhat sustainable
based on their subscriber growth and things like that, But
on another level, like I think the fatigue part. Do
you think that's anything that networks consider right, because on

(28:00):
some level, you see, like with Netflix, they have so
many shows, they'll put out a couple are the ones
that like really move the needle, and then like you
see like constantly then like a wave of cancelations. I'm
always looking at that. I'm like, is that good business
for them? Because we see we've heard about like you know,
the ups and downs of you know, the way they
spend money, And I'm always curious, I'm like, what is

(28:21):
the long term goal here? Because it's very it's from
I'm looking at purely as a consumer with a little
bit of like industry no how, but I'm I'm always
like thinking, like how do you keep doing this like
spending tons of money then being like, okay, we have
that was a bad investment, but then this thing we
spent a little bit of money ended up taking off. Yeah,
Like how lucrative is it when a show like Squid

(28:42):
Game or the first season Stranger Things are like should
like that like just takes over the zeitgeist? Like is
that and like does that pay itself back? I'm like
they're like, all right, that covers all those other shows
that we made that nobody watched. It's it's a great question.
I mean, I think the question. I think it comes
down to stickiness, right, because if you were subscribing to

(29:04):
a service just for a show and then you cancel
when it's over and you wait till the next season
comes out to rejoin, then I don't know that it's
as lucrative. If you're someone that's sort of like, you know,
I just want to turn on Netflix. They've had a
show that I really liked a couple of years ago.
I'm not going to cancel it and I'll just turn on,
turn it on and browse when I want to watch something.
Then that's great. Like if if you if a show

(29:26):
brings a lasting customer, then then it's awesome, especially if
it brings a ton of them. But I think one
of the things that you see in the in film
now is the proliferation of franchises, right, And so it's
like Fast and the Furious ten and thoor four and
thour or five, and and that's because you're basically like

(29:48):
you're starting You're not starting over from scratch, like you've
invested all this time building a fan base, telling about
you know, creating characters, making them familiar. You have merch
out there, and and so you just you don't want
lose that investment, so you keep going with the franchise.
And I don't think, at least to this point, like
Netflix is quick to cut debait on things and sort

(30:10):
of going in a a different direction. I guess they have
a lot of analytics that say, justify it from their perspective,
but I think you're right, like they haven't. And yes
they're stranger things and and maybe who knows what the
second season of squid Game is going to be like,
but there they are sort of like they put everything
behind their brands. It's all about Netflix, right, that was

(30:30):
the primary thing they were selling. And the shows we're
supposed to be kind of fungible, and it's in a
more competitive competitive environment. I don't know if that strategy
is gonna, you know, proved to be ultimately successful. And
fungible a word that I know the meaning of. But
maybe our listeners don't, So why don't you explain what

(30:51):
that is? So it's it's more it's it's fungible, meaning
like interchangeable, right, So totally that's what I'm total it. Yeah,
So I also wonder if this is a compounding problem,
right because now even if even if they bring it
back to like, okay, we're making a manageable amount of content,

(31:15):
like it feels like there's still like more places to
like see the content. There's like squid Game was not
the result of them having like a great farm system,
where like they're the Netflix writers hit this one out
of the park. They like found this show, like you know,

(31:36):
didn't pay that much for it. The creatives involved seemed
like kind of pissy like once once the media started
paying attention, they were like they didn't paying ship like
it was it was fine and it right that the case.
It took a long time. So I don't know, and
now now they're the other like kind of concerned I

(31:57):
would have with Netflix is that they do seem to
be like saying we are. But I think this is
a direct quote. Actually Red Hastings was like trying to
reassure everyone that Netflix had been through tough times before,
and that it would solve its problems. He said the
company was now super focused on getting back into our
investors good graces, and I feel like that's maybe not

(32:19):
the I don't like the This was around the time
that they started talking about and introducing an advertising model
and like cutting password sharing, and I don't I don't
know if that's gonna that's gonna do. It's like I
think just the unfortunate thing about public markets though, is
that they probably have a ten year plan of the

(32:40):
type of content they're gonna be making. You know, shows
that can be made really quickly, like selling Sunset that
a lot of people watch, two and Ozarks that takes
a long time to make, and that just concluded. At
the same time, they have to please investors on a
quarterly basis, and investors are not happy, especially in the
market like this. I think he just has to say
things that where it looked like, obviously, at the end

(33:02):
of the day, we're just going to continuously make great content.
It's very competitive right now. Um as the market corrects,
we'll see what happens, but it is generally like pretty competitive.
But I would say that Netflix then comes back in
and you got boom boom boom, show after show after show,
and I think just like without all the networks that
you find a little bit of the fatigue is really more,
it seems like on their side where it's like there's

(33:24):
a bit where Okay, my favorite show is not running,
like HBO, Max doesn't have Euphoria just finished, and you
know some of the other shows just finished, and now
we're kind of waiting for you know, what's the next
big show to pop up on there, and in the meantime,
you watch something on another network and another network and
another network. I also feel like their main strength is
supposed to be all the data they have on us

(33:46):
and like their ability to like dig into that figure
out like what people want, and then you know, create create,
like Phil flood the Zone with that and like now
there's a meme about doom scrolling Netflix and just you know,
I'm not being able to find the thing that you
want or anything that's interesting to you. And I saw

(34:08):
a specific like complaint from somebody who's like, I'm a
horror fan and the things that they recommend to me
are always the conjuring and like, you know, the most
popular horror movies and like that I know that that
like wasn't initially what they were supposed to have, like
such a there was supposed to be able to like

(34:28):
flex their algorithm, and like you know, he was like
Netflix has deep cut horror movies like the old ways,
but those don't ever get recommended to me. I'm just
wondering if they could use some human curation, like a
maybe we've hit the like fail point of the Turing

(34:50):
test of Netflix is like algorithmic algorithmically generated like content
suggestion model, And like they why wouldn't you, I know,
they just like fired all of their editors who they were,
who they had hired, But like, why wouldn't you try
to build up you know the way that like Peloton
instructors had like a following and like people, you know,

(35:13):
there were memes about them and they were like, oh
this is the one that I love. Then you know
you should have like these people curating channels on Netflix
and you know, like like give give some humanity to
it rather than just a wall of fucking content. Good idea, right,
and they should hired me to do it. I like

(35:34):
the mix. I like the mix of algorithm and curated
I would I like your idea I think it's a
great idea. I think maybe should have um not given
it to them for free. Yeah, you know that's what
we do. We just give up brilliant stuff. We came
up with an old distressed malls that we take over
and we make them like nineties retro experiences. We've got

(35:57):
a lot of business ideas, Paul, like, you know we
give out for but yeah, that was one of the
better ones. The curated thing, and the curated thing I
think works. It's like I'm I'm always looking for like
there's a handful of people that like, oh you're like, hey,
someone recommended me, you know a show I trust their
judgment and shows I want to watch that. Ship. I
generally don't find the algorithm does anything for me, although

(36:18):
for my sister and my mom who are like obsessed
with k dramas for like now and my whole Netflix
now is just like they used my profile and so
it only recommends me. We're gonna give you an opportunity
to take that again. We don't want Netflix to hear
about that that you guys are sharing a past where
they're gonna come from you. I don't know. We have
a family and ship down the outside of his family account,

(36:39):
multiple profiles, they just choose to use my profile each
that that is very frustrating. And now it's just it like,
you know, Kate, look nothing against K dramas. I've just
you know, I've never watched one. I've watched it in
passing with them, but now I need Curate. Now I
have no choice. K dramas are Korean dramas, like the

(36:59):
Korean soap Yeah, my wife that that is my wife,
like my wife's big guilty pleasure on her. They're popular,
They're very popular, Yeah, they are. We don't have the
thing that is like just right in between, you know,
like primetime you know dramas actually like almost HBO dramas,
and then like fucking soap operas, like just the lowest

(37:22):
of the low soap operas, and they are just churning
that ship out right at that level. It's like fifty
of each and they're they're crushing it. Well, I think
what also not on the Apple TV, but I've seen
on like the Samsung TVs they put like the top
ten and AND's some different regions or whatever. I actually

(37:43):
find that to be the most useful, like you know,
not their recommendations like, just tell me what the top
ten is. I'll probably watch something within that. What are
the most popular shows that everybody else is watching, which
is kind of curated to some degree, Like okay, like
I'll go I'll watch that, you know, I'll take a
look at it. I don't know why that is, Poppa.
I mean they know about the idea of like the curation.

(38:03):
Xbox game passes apparently very good at this. Like gamers
say that they have like a curated selection of games,
and they're like pulling hidden gems out that people really value,
Like people are like, oh ship, Like you guys are
really nailing this. So it makes it easy to interact
with new stuff when it's put in front of you
in like limited quantities, not like your seven hundred free games.

(38:26):
This one. It's like here the fucking five we think
are good. And I think like even to what you're saying, Imatine,
like even Jack, like we we all kind of say
the same thing, and I'm probably saying for you, Paul's
like you kind of need like these three or four
friends to tell you to watch something, and then that
you hit the tipping point, you're like, Okay, now I'll
do it because We're already an environment where it's like

(38:47):
there's already a few shows I don't need prompting or
encouragement to go see, Like seldom is like oh when
that's out, I'm watching it, And if it is, it's
usually trash reality TV. But other than that, like good
stuff I need like Anna, I need Jack, I need
my other couple other friends of people to suggest something,
and then I'm like, oh, okay, that's the We've reached

(39:09):
the suggestion typic. I think, you know, I think Euphoria
was a good example of this where I know Euphoria
most people started that I you started watching and started
watching it in season two and started telling people about it,
and I started paying attention to it on TikTok because
it was like all these scenes that would pop up
on TikTok. I had no idea what the show was.
It just looked kind of like, you know, dark and

(39:31):
fucked up, and then you would hear the soundtrack with
like Labyrinth constantly, and then over this period of time,
like season two comes out, boom, everyone I know is
watching it. It's just like it's like the word of
mouth phenomenon, especially with social um and I think Euporia
was like, now what, it's like one of the biggest
shows um in the US or I don't know about
the world, but it's definitely one of the biggest shows

(39:51):
in the US. There was another, uh strategically questionable decision
Netflix made where they like turned off the ability of
screen capit and it was like they like, all right,
you know what our issue is. I know people are
concerned about the subscriber numbers, but I think our problem
is that we're too cool, and we're like we need
to be just like way less cool and let let

(40:12):
fewer people share pass where it's fewer memes about our content.
So if you trend screen capital or just be a
black screen and yeah, just drilled down on those things.
Posts and well everybody loves ads though, that's the thing
you have to understand. I'd pay more for ads the

(40:34):
but with like as we as we are like hitting
this like peak content world, I just feel like there's
I I am so reliant on recommendations, like Miles was saying,
and there's we're split between so many different things. I
feel like it's going to be harder and harder to
generate those Like I guess Severance was the last one

(40:57):
that like really seemed to I think my thresholds like
five six people recommending it. I think people want I
think there's need for more. I think there's a supply
issue here. Like I think we just want more good ship.
It takes us a while to get into it. Once
we're into it. It's like I keep hearing about slow Horses.
One more person tells me about slow Horses, I'm gonna

(41:20):
watch it, you know. One more person tells me about Severance.
I will watch it. Those are two shows I haven't
seen yet, but now more and more people recommend it.
Slow Horses the very first thing committed to film where
the guys riding a horse and whether whether his feet
leave the ground. Even when you said that, I'm like, slow,

(41:41):
Like maybe I guess maybe I get the name rock.
It's the some detective show, spy fiction. Slow Horses. Uh yeah,
I mean this is a real show. But again, I'm like,
I'm so overwhelmed by the amount of thing that's so
I'm like, I guess, like what you're saying is there's

(42:03):
if there isn't a demand issue, there's a supply issue.
I'm like, I don't know. Maybe because I don't have
the same like blocks of space to like consistently consume
many shows. Um or I don't know. I think I
want to say it's many. I think it's like that
one show. It's not like multiple shows. It's like, what
is the show you want to spend your time on? Now? Okay,

(42:25):
it hasn't hit me yet. I'm just gonna wait for
the next one. So I saw a headline about slow
horses and then I just heard you mention it. Now
it's just gonna take nine more people to mention. But
I am at the point. And this is how I
know content fatigua is real. For me that when you
just said that, I got a little bit mad at you.
Come the fuck on slow horses? It was like, the

(42:46):
fuck got a great cast. It's got a great cast. Yeah, like, yeah,
of course we should do group doing together and make
a judgment. I don't know what you guys think that.
There's also, like, you know, people can do social events
again where they couldn't really do that for a year
a year and a half. Like there's concerts and you
can go to live sporting events, and I've been doing

(43:08):
a lot more of that the past couple of months.
So that also adds to it, like March, April, June. Whatever.
All you can do is stream, right, and now you
can do more stuff. The movies that are coming out
are great, like the Top Gun movies coming out. I
don't know for some reason, the top of the fact
of the Top Gun movies finally coming out. I'm like, WHOA,

(43:31):
movies are back, baby, and it's advertised I'll over the NBA.
So that might be is that trailer must like that
trailer was like originally pre COVID. I think that came
out right. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll
come back and talk about the Multiverse of Madness and

(44:00):
we're back. Did you guys see Doctor Strange too? That?
Do we have the number? Right? It is to Yeah,
I went and saw it, Paul, Did you see it yet?
I have not seen it yet. Definitely see it. You
used to you. I know you're a lawyer at Marvel.
What what was sort of what what kind of things

(44:20):
are you doing over there? I was doing a lot
of different things. I was doing business affairs, so actor, writer,
director deals for the films and television shows. I was
doing all the production legal on the film. So like
basically from pre production, production, post production, all those different
agreements like location agreements, equipment, um VFX, everything like anything

(44:45):
to think of travel, even booking the private jets for
the talent that didn't want to fly first class or whatever.
So there's like a separate group at Disney that did that.
I did corporate stuff, real estate, random stuff, merchandise license,
thousands of license agreements for you know, putting Spider Man
on backpacks and T shirts and stuff like that. So

(45:06):
really I was there for it was six years. I
did a ton of different things. So you yeah, you
were there. It's heaviest period. Yeah, I was there from
if you want to Iron Man Too coming out being
released to uh cap Civil War going into pre production.
Basically like that's great. So what this movie is significant

(45:28):
from a like licensing perspective, right, because isn't there like
X Men crossovers happening in this one? Yeah? So this
is the first. Uh So Kevin five you for those
that don't know, is the kind of the creative head
of the Marvel Cinematic universe, and he actually got his
start working on Superman and I think X Men films

(45:49):
which were licensed out. So for a long time, the
film rights to the X Men characters, who who are
Marvel comic characters were controlled by Fox, and Disney bought
Fox a cup years ago, so now Disney, who owns Marvel,
and Fox are under the same corporate umbrella. So now
the Marvel creative team can use the X Men and

(46:10):
Doctor Strange too. Is the first movie where they're able
to sort of freely incorporate them, right that makes sense? Yeah? Yeah,
So mash what what What are your thoughts how they do?
From a fan perspective, I thought it was a fun movie.
I thought it was a blast. I went in there

(46:30):
didn't have much expect I tried not to watch many
of the trailers because I didn't want spoilers because, honestly, man,
of these trailers, now I get it, you're trying to
get people in theaters, but they just give you all
the surprises and it ruins the whole movie. Yeah, because
I heard Patrick Stewart's voice in a trailer and I
was like what, yeah, and it's like and then you know,
and like I won't say with you any other spoilers,

(46:51):
but you know, especially with like fandom now, like people
are like leaking stuff and it's like just go and
enjoy the movie, have some fun. This is the first
time I went to normal we go to an Imax
in Midtown, but we went to our local man. Buddy
and I went to our local Williamsburg cinema, which was
a lot of fun because people were like yelling at
the screen and it was clapping. Honestly fun movie. I

(47:14):
thought the interesting thing about the movie besides um, you know,
some interesting character developments, was that it really shows Disney
and Paul and I talked about this recently on our
show where we talked about the like the the master
planning of Disney Plus and how if you haven't watched
Wan Division or what if going into the movie, you're

(47:35):
watching it after because you need context one way or
the other. You need to watch the Disney Plus context
at the content that gives you context for the movies.
And it's I mean to design it in a way
like that. Just from a business perspective and a content perspective.
I just think it's pretty cool, right. It makes sense
that you have like it's truly all many people consume.

(47:57):
It's like I can get all of my like Marvel
Jolly's like, yeah, pretty much here. But the flip side
of that though, is like, and this is my wife's issue,
is like I can't watch fifteen hours worth of stuff
to go see a movie with you anything, right, Yeah. Yeah,
I only really watched the movies occasionally, and I feel
like I can pick up on what's happening most of

(48:19):
the time, and that's not really necessarily like I can
kind of intuit it. But yeah, I think that's my
design too, though. I think it's like they just give
you enough where if you're new, they still want like
a new person to come in and be able to
watch it. But to Paul's point, um, yeah, I mean
it is a lot you have to just kind of
watch it, like I watch it when it comes out,

(48:41):
so I'm not catching up right before the movie. Like, hey, Paul,
have you watched like thirty hours of these shows so
you can go to the movie? You have to go
to the YouTube. Yeah, he's got you know, four in
the morning, he's still doing contract negotiations and stuff, and
I'm sitting there telling about how Great Moon Night is. Alright,
So I don't want spoilers. I don't want to ask

(49:02):
you like how strange is doctor or how madness the
multiverse is. But um, so on. One thing that's happening
in the discourse just constantly, like now with everything, is
that the I guess the right is claiming this movie
is like, uh, this one has a woman who's bad

(49:25):
and we are the party of misogyny. I think they're
just like openly like that's us now. Um so yeah,
there we go, We're team this movie. Also, Sam Ramy
apparently like donated to George W. Bush and may have
been a Trump supporter, but we don't know the details
of that. But some of the arguments around this actually

(49:46):
like bring up interesting stuff. I don't I don't think
it's interesting to be like this movie is wholly bad
or wholly good, or that it is this movie it's dangerous.
Like it's a movie. It needs to have interesting ideas
in it for me to like watch it and then
think about it later. And it does seem like there's

(50:07):
a trend of the bad guys in Marvel movies having
compelling points of view that are like I remember that
from the First Avengers when like Loki came through and
like you know, he like ultimately he's about like fascism
and authoritarianism, but like he put it in a way

(50:28):
that I was like, that was like, I don't know,
are they trying to get people on board with with
what he's saying? Like they did. They did a good
job writing him in a way that like I feel
like other past previous superhero movies might not have done.
But now people are pointing out that like Thanos quotes

(50:49):
a bunch of like environmentalism like talking points, kill Monger
like is explicitly associated with the like militant American Black
Panther Party, and people are like it is Marvel like
trying to send an overall message that, like, you know,
the the Avengers are here to like bring things back

(51:11):
to a safe status quo. I don't think that means.
I think that's an interesting conversation without saying like, so
don't see these movies. You know, Miles, did you you
you objected to my my take the Loki had some
interesting things to say. No, it's just it's I think
it's like, you know, partially like writing right old superhero

(51:34):
films was always like here's good guy and here's bad guy.
Don't fucking worry about this full backstory. He's fucking bad,
and don't worry, Superman is gonna beat the ship. Out
of him. For you, it was like kind of like
the energy we took into it, and then over time
like there was this you know, there's more nuance to
writing like characters we think are bad or evil, you know,
and giving them a little more depth or texture. And

(51:56):
I think part of that does end up being like
how do we this guy who has some really problematic
ideas about the world more relatable because then we're kind
of pulling out that there that this isn't just like
a very one dimensional evil character. But I think on
the other side of that coin is someone who is
like not really thinking very critically will be like, yep,
exactly that part, dude, and therefore funk everybody who believes

(52:23):
the environmental talking points or that like eternal growth is unsustainable.
I think was one of the things Stan has talked about.
But also think of how many how many memes from
conservatism far right wing figures involve the m c U.
You know, like this is very popular stuff that everyone

(52:43):
is watching and for whatever, I mean, I think it's
like when it's just I don't know, maybe if it's
like a Rorschach test that like any of these people
just look at it like and this is how I
can make it a thing to reinforce my world. But
I don't know, I don't, I don't. I'm necessarily I
don't think there's a concerted effort, but who knows. I mean,
you know, more sinister things have happened, so you know

(53:03):
whether the comparison of social commentary political categories, like everybody
wants to claim something or get creative with it. I
mean ship when I was in college. First year in college,
we had like writing classes on you know how X
TV show is compared to like this historical event and
you have to write about it and almost come up
with creative ways to like compare the two. I'm sure

(53:24):
there's some like old school, there's you know, inspiration and right,
certain characters. I think the interesting thing that we see
now that either people want to claim something politically, but
in the case of these characters, I think one it
seems that there's a conscious effort to be like, Okay,
the world we live in now is to be more
inclusive too. By the way, there's multiple like you know,

(53:47):
they introduced this whole concept of variants, like there's different
versions of the same person. So the one villain could
actually be a good version in a different world. And
I don't know if that's actually being pushed to cover
all these potential like historic tracts of writing. But yeah,
I mean I think if you want, anyone could watch
these movies and these characters and claim it in however

(54:08):
way they would want. Would be my opinion on it.
You could flip it either way. Paul, you were at Marvel,
was there? Did you ever have to like do a
licensing deal with like Green Peace to be like, you
guys are gonna be our bad guys in this next movie. No,
I mean, it's an interesting question. We uh, I think listen,

(54:31):
there are there are relationships you don't want to uh
influence negatively, right, So for example, you know, it's a
business at the end of the day. I think people
have to read like they're not trying to necessarily make
a cultural statement. If they can, great, but like the
objective is to maximize revenue, maximize merchandise sales. Uh. And

(54:52):
so you know there's a time and I'm not gonna
say whether it was Marvel, but there are studios right
that before they finalize the script, they'll have a pre
screening where executives from Walmart or Target or whoever will
come in and watch and say, Okay, well maybe I
could fit this many toys in my in my aisle,
right or I like this part of it. And so

(55:14):
you know, there's there's a commercial element, I think, which
which drives a lot of this. Uh. And I think
the ror check test, uh that that that that idea
that you know, people will make of it what they will, right,
they'll they'll they'll take cues because I think the idea
is to sort of hit it close to the middle,
not really offend anyone, maximize revenue, make a statement if

(55:35):
you can, but that's not really the objective. And on
the black Panther side, I mean I thought I left
that movie Rest in Peace Chad with Boseman thinking kill
Monger was the best character, right, Like he not that
I necessarily resonated with him, but he was like an
awesome guy and I didn't. I mean, his politics, as
his vendetta, his anger were kind of all justified given

(55:56):
the background and what he sort of went through growing up.
So um, yeah, I think you could look at it
and say that he was glorified in a lot of ways. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I guess I guess it's that that's a really good point.
And like the reading of this that I disagree with.
That's like Marvel is bad because they're the good guys

(56:19):
in that are you know, conservative is like, well, they're
making movies with like interesting ideas in them being played
by our most charismatic actors, you know, like Michael B.
Jordan's and then yeah, like the bad guys are like
where where to put the fun stuff? Like Keith Ledger's
Joker Hans Gruber to my favorite. Yeah, well, I root

(56:44):
for them to be on on screen more. And like,
you know, part they don't have to make sense, Like
the fact that they're on screen only to like pop
up say something badass and then like kill someone makes
it a much easier character to write and be awesome
and be cool, and and like the fact as long

(57:04):
as they're you know, philosophy sounds badass, Like it doesn't
need to hold together. Like the fact that the Joker
is an agent of chaos and also has the most
meticulously planned like just forty parts schemes you know, constantly
swirling around him. It doesn't make sense, but it doesn't
have to because it's just like how antagonists work in movies.

(57:25):
But vergence of the anti hero, right, Like we just
generally like those weird characters that are like the dead
Pools through Wolverines, like a Don Draper, Like they're likable
but not likable Bain. We like like these characters. Yeah,
he made really high pitched voices. Fucking awesome. Man. You man,

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that's so interesting about the movies having to go through
like a a focus group of executives, because anytime I've
been involved with the creative project that needs to be
focus grouped by a brand, it's not good for the ye.
The notes are usually pretty pretty wild. So I don't

(58:10):
know that that explains something. Well, what'd you say, like
that is the benefit of Marvel is just Kevin Figi
is it can he's an executive, but he's also like
the creative vision behind it also, like he can make
both decisions. Yeah, exactly. Like And I'm not suggesting that
it was Marvel or that there would be like a
complete rewrite at the you know, behest of a corporate

(58:31):
executive for Walmart. I'm just saying that, you know, on
the margins, maybe there's a thumb on the scale. Maybe
they're like, oh, if you could fit this this, you know,
this gun or this toy gun, whatever would sell really well.
Or oh, it's get another shot of this hammer in
here a little bit longer because we're gonna make this
plush hammer or that whatever that has growth or hammer
that was sold out forever. I mean, I'm just saying,

(58:54):
like on in the margins, that could that could be
a part of it, but it's not. I don't I
gets driving anyone's like creatively. And I also don't think
that you know, if if Kevin are a creative exactly
we're like, no, I don't want to you know, focus
on this or feature this this piece of merchandise, then
they wouldn't do it. But ultimately, there's a lot of

(59:16):
cooks in the kitchen. The creative head is going to
have final say. But it's and to to Miles point
that these stories are a lot more nuanced than they
were twenty years ago because you're making three of them
a year or four of them a year, and there
you know, two hundred million dollar budgets, so they can't
just be uh, you know, very plain vanilla anymore. Right, Yeah, yeah, me,

(59:39):
because they were so formulate, and I think that maybe
the reason why people even began to crave an anti
heroo more is because I felt like our the good
guy bad guy buying arey became so formulaic. They're like,
here we go, inciting incident. The bad guy came to town.
Now the good guys got to figure it out. And
then in the final battle, he's gonna lose real bad
in the beginning, and then he's gonna pull it out

(01:00:01):
at the end. And I think the ebb and flow
of that may have gotten a little bit stale. And
I think why even like, even like James Bond, when
Daniel Craig started playing James Bond, like they were even like,
this guy's kind of fucked up, you know. Yeah, But
I was like, no, I like this. As a younger viewer,
I was like, this is dope, because this this, this

(01:00:21):
is what exactly I don't like to see these people
is just like I feel nothing. I do everything the
same every day. I kill people. Plenty of women's lives
are lost because of my actions, and I'm fine the
narial disease, right, but I am blonde hair, now what
the fuck? Yeah? But I mean I think all those
things kind of come together and begin to sort of

(01:00:42):
shape all those things, and I think to the what
you're saying about brands coming in and looking at things
of course, like these are all these are all revenue
generating endeavors. And even like we've talked about in the past,
Jack about how the Pentagon can even get involved with
things when you equipment that like, yeah, sometimes they will
have real notes um to to weigh in because of
you know, there there's a there's a relationship there. But

(01:01:04):
I think, uh yeah, looking at all of those things together,
it's you kind of get a better understanding of like, well,
is it so sinister? Is it more just like no,
we kind of got to make it sort of nebulous,
so the most amount of people come and say they
like it and continue to like it. Yeah. I think
up until very recently, like the Pentagon was still like

(01:01:26):
top Gun is still our best recruiting tool, like has
has been, continues to be is and now they have
a sequel coming out and war were they fighting? They weren't.
It was just it was like unnamed bad guy, this
is this is a hot Yeah. Yeah, well yeah, this

(01:01:47):
has been. It's been really fun having you on Paul
Paul where you can people find you, follow you, hear
you all that good stuff, so better called Paul. The
podcast is Instagram. Uh, and then it's PAULA say hi,
Lola is my email and the podcast is better called Paul.
So I don't know where you get your podcasts, Apple, Spotify, Stitcher,
you name it. We've never had anyone give their email

(01:02:10):
or people just able to hit you up. We have
we have an email so they can hit Paul's specific
got it? Okay, damn? All right, you have some curious,
curious listeners about your time there. Uh, Mesh, how about you? Yeah, no,
check out the podcast better called Paul. I'm at Mesh
Lakhani on Twitter and uh, always happy to engage with

(01:02:31):
folks and really appreciate you guys having a son. This
is a lot of fun. Yes, fun. Conversations are great,
very very informed. And is there a tweet or some
of the work of social media you guys have been enjoying.
I actually had a couple here um that I took
down that I found a good one today. Did not notice.

(01:02:52):
I felt like an idiot when I read this, but
someone wrote, I've been on Twitter since two thousand nine.
I'm just now realizing the home button is a birdhouse.
I laughed out loud because that did not occur to
me until today. Um. And then uh, yeah, I know
there's another one of someone said there will never be
another product that inspires me so much, that inspires so

(01:03:12):
much envy and me as the original iPod did back
in two thousand one, and it was just like a
picture of it, and I thought that was actually cool
because it was so innovative. And since then, you know,
like things have gotten a little boring. But yeah, man,
those are two tweets that I found today that the
other one is really about bear markets and stuff. But
I won't bore everybody with that ship. And they they
just discontinue the iPod, right, that was the big, big

(01:03:36):
news that what happened. Oh, I didn't even realize that.
I didn't even know they sold iPods anymore. So I
just thought I thought it all became an iPod touch
at a certain point. Yeah, exactly, and they just can't
didn't discontinue to touch. Yeah, I think they're discontinuing all
you were not allowed to say the word iPod anymore,

(01:03:57):
but please Yeah, now you have to buy a new
phone that has a head foot jack headphone jack from
your old headphones that just did not work. And then
now we have to buy another that their real troll movies.
It's going to have the headphone jack from the first
iPod that had a remote on the thing. So it
was like that like three and a half million being

(01:04:19):
plus like a circular thing to send the data for
the remote. That's how they're gonna suck us. That's it.
That's it. But I got mine on deck. Miles, where
can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying?
Man find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.
That's great with an A. And also, if you like basketball,
check out the basketball show Miles and Jack Got Mad Boosties.

(01:04:40):
It's an NBA podcast official. You know they decided to
get in get involved with two rapscallions like us. And
also if you like a trash reality check out my
other show for twenty day Fiance. Uh. Some tweets that
I like. First one is from a m E Chopper
at Melick tom Is tweeted this buzz light your this

(01:05:00):
buzz light. You're moving going to be good until you
got to do an origin story for Woody and we
find out he was a slave overseer at a cotton
plantation in Antebellum, Texas. Uh. And this one another one
is from g cush Baby tweeted a party, but everyone
brings potatoes prepared a different way. Yeah. I like that. Well,

(01:05:21):
we we know that what the difference between the fries
between Miles and Paul are gonna be yea rare the
other is gonna be or like I'll take an old
Plato thing, like the old McDonald's plato potatoes in it
and just be like, here're the fries. You can find
me on Twitter, Jack Underscore Brian to tweet up and

(01:05:42):
enjoying Paris at so hilarious. Hilton tweeted me having remembered
girls like it when you asked them questions what's your problem?
And uh and then just gotta give it up, Mariam
Posner giving it up for footnotes, reading a book with
footnotes instead of and notes and sorry, haters, it's so

(01:06:02):
much better, It's true. Yeah. So from now on, we
will be just doing the citations in the episode right
right when we read from an article, well, I will
be reading off the U R L. Yes, the text
http dot com and then what the fell tweeted on
a lot of things, But first and foremost, I'm a

(01:06:25):
Taco Bell customer. And oh and Skyler Higley tweeted, the
star spangled banner sounds like it was made up on
the spot and oh say can you see it? Sounds
like yeah, put on the spot real early in the morning. Yeah,

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(01:07:09):
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