Empathy Wad, Michael Bay Back 5.21.20

In episode 635, Jack, Miles, and Jamie are joined by War On Women singer and the author of Making Spaces Safer Shawna Potter to discuss the Trump administration trying to shut down covid-aid, GOP seeking doctors to support their re-opening claims, some covid-19 conspiracy theories, Trump threatening to withhold federal funding for states considering vote-by-mail, Michael Bay planning on filming a pandemic-themed thriller, and more!

FOOTNOTES:

1. Trumpworld Wants to Pump the Brakes on COVID Aid, Figures It Can Spend Closer to the Election
2. GOP seeking doctors to back reopening strategy: report
3. Trump Fans Gobble Up His Favorite, Unproven COVID Drug—Some Are Even Trying To Cook It Themselves
4. Trump threatens to withhold federal funding for these states considering vote-by-mail
5. "Anti-Coronavirus" movie filmed in Arizona in 7 days
6. A Coronavirus Thriller Was Finished Just Before the Shutdown
7. Adam Goodman & Michael Bay Team On Pandemic-Themed Thriller ‘Songbird;’ Production Starts In Five Weeks
8. The Biggest Conservative Dog Whistles in Michael Bay’s Benghazi Movie 13 Hours
9. WATCH: War On Women - Pleasure & The Beast

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet. Am welcome to Season one, thirty four,
Episode four of jur Daily Night Guys, the production of
My Heart Radio. This is the podcast where we take
a deep dive you know Americas Shared consciousness and say,
officially off the top. Fuck the Cooke Brothers and Fox Fox.

(00:21):
It's Thursday, May twenty one, Happy birthday, super producer on
a Jack O'Brien A k A. If we open up,
if we open up this never stop, never stop never

(00:44):
never never, don't keep us locked inside. That is courtesy
of Christy. I'm a Gucci man and I'm thrilled to
be joined as always by my co host Mr Miles. Right,
got hope, I have the flude. I should properly get

(01:07):
the tust. Oh, dude, this would not be what's bread.
I remember Trump said sometimes it's just a book. Sometimes
you into dude. Thank you so much. That's an exact
in my book because that's also a Christie Yamagucci main original. Dude,

(01:32):
you're getting adele. You're thrilled to be joined in our
third s each buyer co host Jamie Lautus, Jamie Jamie Laftus,
Gee's a modern bosom is from the day of Bracton.
It's a place right out of her story. I'll allow

(01:54):
it come right on their bonnies every day with me
and my Sonny, who has been when you, Jill would
love this. You are gonna have a pod time. I'd
have a good time, really, Javid, that's from Hannah. Shout
out to our extended conversation about Hannah Barbara yesterday. Yes, Step,

(02:21):
I have not yet received any pushback on people copying
for the Flintstones being funny, which is further proof I
think it's just bad. Yeah for Hannah Barbarism. Well, we
are thrilled to be joined in our fourth seat by
a first time guest, the brilliant and talented SHAWNA. Potter.

(02:43):
God damn so close Shahna Potter. Happy birthday, Bay, it's
my birthday too. Can you guys do mya and just
sing me Happy birthday? Oh yeah, happy birthday. Yeah it
give me on the tune of flint Stones. That's fine,

(03:09):
part Potter, Like Harry, that's all you have today. Core.
Birthdays are so are so complex. I'm I'm very excited
to do the same thing I do every night, which
is have a lot of wine out of a box,
out of a box. Oh yeah, oh what kind of
bus wine? I really like? It's literally called house wine.

(03:33):
That's your grand house wine is great, and it's seventeen
fucking dollars and there's so many glasses that come out,
and how many bottles worth it? I think like four? Yeah,
and I'm a fan of mel Beck is my favorite.
If anyone's looking to send me that sweet sweet wine
money via venmo As, honestly, Potter, go ahead, but yeah,

(03:56):
it's gonna be obviously a very chill birthday, so we'll
get that mall back fund goings gang. So Shanna, you
have at least a box, at least one box or
dry dry y money money. I can't speak today, Shanna.
It's good to have you. Yeah, what you are? You

(04:18):
front a feminist punk band, yeah, called War on Women.
Hell yeah. I watched some of you guys performances, and
seeing you live looks like an amazing experience, which leads
me to believe that this probably sucks for you, this
whole quorum thing. Yeah, you know, it's it's really hard

(04:40):
to complain knowing how hard so many people actually have it.
I really do try to practice gratitude as much as
I can, and try to put things in perspective, but um,
the idea that everyone I know relies on live music
in some way. They're working there, they're performing, they're touring
like my closest friends. Um, we're all just in this

(05:02):
very weird state of being stuck and and realizing how
much we relied on on that. Uh that's socializing, you know. Yeah, Yeah,
there's just like we we've talked in recent weeks just
about the the energy of a live musical performance and

(05:22):
that there's something kind of irreplaceable about that that Uh yeah,
I think that's like one of the things that I
think most people can't wait to experience again. And I'm
sure in your case especially. And also, Shanna, you've got
a book out called Making Spaces Safer that's about sort
of you know, obviously you as a musician working in

(05:44):
music very male dominated spaces, and this your work is
about creating safer spaces for artists fans alike and what
that looks like in you know, consent culture. Are you
gonna have to add an addendum for COVID nineteen on
top of it, Like, Okay, we're past the predatory men
and people that could be at a club now I
have talked about people who are not safe with their germs.

(06:04):
It just you your assumption that we're past predatory men. Yeah,
I guess the part of the book that addresses that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
maybe raids king I think still, but yes, like I
I definitely still have friends that are like, oh weird.

(06:24):
I was totally harassed wearing a mask and no one
could see my face in public, and I'm still being
harassed or I actually really like how it sort of
prevents random strangers from talking to me wearing the mask.
It like adds that extra layer of like, nope, we're
all supposed to leave each other alone. Um, so I
hate to find silver linings in a global pandemic, but
that's certainly one of them. People are still doing the

(06:49):
little Hong Kong when you're like there, oh yeah, because
that's all they can do. Yeah, They're they're like, Okay,
this is a social distance harassment. It's kind of a
galaxy rain approach. They're like, Okay, we're a safe distance
from each other, and I'm still making you upset, but
I want I want you to feel like you're in
Tunetown and a car is harassing you. Fun. Check out
my gams. They just keep evolving. Yeah, but it's it

(07:13):
really is. Um. I think a good time for people
to brush up on safer space stuff because I really
do think that when we all feel safe enough to
gather again. I keep using this word, but I keep thinking,
we're just going to go buck wild. We are going
to go That is the scientific word, but I've been

(07:34):
I've been over using it lately because I'm just imagining
like everyone going hanging from the rafters and lie down
in beers and like going nuts, and and we just
I just don't believe that we'll have the patience to
think about, Oh, what are some good safer space tactics?
Did I write up my sexual harassment policy? Like that's
not going to happen. People are gonna be so concerned

(07:56):
with having fun or serving people that are having fun,
making money off people having fun, which they need to
do also, And so now is the time to like
brush up on how do you intervene when you see harassment?
Because we can still see it when we go to
the grocery store, because harassment against Asian Americans is up,
you know, like it's it's still happening now. But now
is the time to make sure that we're solid. Yeah,

(08:18):
I think it's a great thing for people. I think
for those of us that are I think the listeners
of this show and everyone included in this conversation are
conscious of those things. And I think if enough of
us can at least be those sort of nodes in
the network to try and transmit that information to our
other people as well, we can begin to see something
because I think, Yeah, this really is an opportunity for

(08:39):
at least to give people a moment at least contemplate
things like that across I mean, not just consent, but
you know, how we're treating essential workers, or how we're
treating each other and things like that. So I hope
like we can go into like a like can we
treat each other better hibernation along with yes, go buck wild,
not like the MTV show, but get wild out there

(09:01):
and you know, but also respect each other and do
it in a new, like twenty one century way that
feels somewhat more humane and empathetic. Yeah, And I really
hope I've made it really easy with the book too.
That's the point of this book is that it spells
it out, makes it really clear, really like, here are
the tips like, it's not this is not a theoretical book.
I did not graduate from college. Okay, so this is

(09:23):
just to tell you here's how we can do this,
and it's really simple. Yeah, listeners might not be able
to well definitely can't see this, but Seana knows what
she's talking about. She has a book shelf, a whole
shelf of books behind her, and you've read I've read
some of them, even Yeah, I just I just buy
ones that look cool on the wall, books that I

(09:46):
I still have to read. Like Luckily, when you when
you write a book, people are like, well, here's some
more books, and I'm like, okay, I guess I'll get
to it. That I really got into this. But thanks, Yeah,
I know you really. Yeah. Probably the classiest of any
of our core guests. Just the the bookshelf. The yeah. No,

(10:14):
I was actually commenting specifically on Twilight. Uh, I'm a
big fan. Alright, Seana, we're going to get to know
you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're
going to tell our listeners a couple of the things
we're talking about. We are talking about the Republican strategy
to not blow their empathy wad all at once right now.

(10:37):
They wanna, you know, pump the brakes on edge because
they've got that's so narsty. They've got they've got an
election coming up, and they just want to uh you know,
they want to space this out like a Hollywood plot.
They want to edge this out. We're going to talk

(11:00):
about the we are officially in the horseship phase of
the pandemic fight. We a lot of us thought we
had reached there, but now it's it's official. Just so
some of the ship is wild. Yeah. We're also in
the mail in voting war. Uh, so we'll talk about that.
Trump is officially declaring war on mail in voting, your rights,

(11:25):
on your right, on your rights. Uh. We're gonna talk
about Michael Bay. He's got a movie, the first movie
that's going to go into production after things open back up.
It's called Songbird and guys, it's about the pandemic. Boy
what if movie but pandemic. I hope he brings back

(11:47):
to his wife Headstone from the Rock. That would be
better still, the all of all the horrifying things in
them called Bay film canon. That is the most agreed to.
I'm so glad I we've I rediscovered that on the

(12:07):
episode of Back Deel cast I went on talking about
the rock and like my aggro male nineties action born
flicks I was watching. Yeah, I feel like he got
like his entire career now is a reaction to the negative,
like the somewhat negative, like slightly negative response to his
first handful of movies. Like he's now just like declared

(12:31):
war on anybody who's not like a right wing agro
action family. Yeah, Like he's just like, Oh, you didn't
like that, well you're gonna fuck you didn't like. Yeah,
And that's that's the best way to make art. Actually,
that's probably got darker than I bet there's a significant

(12:52):
male like portion of the population that would be absolutely
more distraught if Michael Bay's films vanished, more than like
the Bible, Like that would be like already people like
you're gonna take Going out of schools. But if you're
like TNT is no longer going to show Michael bay films,
FX will no longer show Michael what the fucker's first?

(13:17):
They took God out of schools, took Armageddon, you're doing
it's what we do here. We're gonna look at the
slow death of Quimby all of that plenty more. But

(13:38):
first Sean, maybe not death, maybe just the uh, we're
we're in the We're in the act too, talking about
movie structure, where like the things are very dark right now,
all is lost, But then Quimby is gonna come back,
come roaring back to success, Yeah, and win the big
game with a full court shot bashana. Before we get

(14:02):
into Quimby's dramatic resurgence. What is something from your search
history that's revealing about who you are? Well, I've recently
been searching the best programs that help you manage your
time for a work project, which is super boring. Um
So the next thing I don't actually even want to

(14:22):
talk about it. So the next thing that I could
tell you is that I searched for what order to
watch all the Marvel movies in, and um so I
did it in release order except for the Hulk, because
I don't give a fucking shit about that character. Wow,
which don't like a good guy by masculine rage. I'm

(14:43):
just not I just don't care. I just don't care.
I've been like trying to talk my son, so somebody
but my two year old A book of like that
has goes through the alphabet and each letter is like
a different character in the Marvel universe, and they can't
wrap their mind around the fact that the Hulk is

(15:04):
a good guy because he's just like constantly enraged and
like throwing shit around in these pictures. But he's exactly
the kind of guy that someone would say, well, he's
always been really nice to me, you know, right, Oh,
that's because you haven't seen him angry. Yeah, he turns
into a what doesn't track with the guy I know,

(15:26):
he's just I thought I thought his jeans are all
ripped like that because I was like, his punk style
that speaks well of your kids, Jack Yeah, galaxy brained. Yeah,
toxic masculinity. On the on the other side, hand, uh,
the idea of looking at someone and being able to
just say good guy or bad guy every time not

(15:49):
probably not the most accurate way to a prison to
view the universe through, but definitely works for the Marvel universe.
Although Loki complicated uhed underrated. I honestly, I think maybe
we're all learning how much we underrated live music. I'm

(16:13):
discovering this myself, Like I took it for granted. You
know that i'd be on tour for weeks at a time,
I could technically see live music every night and usually
decided I need to take a break, I need a nap,
I need to go talk to people. I need to
catch up on work, I need to you know, like,
after after two nights with one band on tour, you're

(16:35):
kind of like, Okay, I get it, right, no matter
how much you like that band, And now I'd give
anything to to be an allowed room going what over
a beer? You know? Um? But yeah, I think I
just didn't understand how much that was a part of
my social life, is getting together, and how how good
it is for our mental health too to see um

(16:58):
people gather and um share an experience like that, and
and and also my own mental health just being able
to vent about what I'm piste off about every night
is valuable. So yeah, I mean I I kind of
recommend everyone do it once, right, like being a punk

(17:18):
band and yell about the ship that pisses you off, um,
because because my neighbors are appreciating it right now. Yeah,
I'm sure, and I'm sure like a lot of you know,
what your fans get out of it is similar to
what what you get out of it, and I'm sure
they're they're missing that too. It's wild to see people

(17:38):
comment and and and really just yeah, to see how
much people miss it and be like, oh, yeah, this
is the thing that we could. I could go to
any shitty bar at any time and go see a
band in Baltimore, right, Like, there's so many bands in Baltimore.
It's a great music scene. And the fact that I
was like, nam, I'm good at the time, I'm like, man, like,
I really hope that I don't take it for granted.

(18:01):
In the same way in the future, I'm just dying
to go to the Echo and see one of l
A's three thousand psych surf rock bands playing shot. I mean,
I mean that really flippantly, because like when I when
I was playing in a band, I'm like, why is
everyone playing the same fucking psych surf rock ship? But
I really want to, Like now, I'm like, fuck you, bro,

(18:22):
like to send I'll go, yeah, I love that super
effect you put on your with all your pedals on
that guitar. I love it. Bro, just keep doing that.
But you got to the point where I was watching
YouTube videos of my band playing and like sending it
to my like dode remember this show. Dude, do you
need someone to talk to? That's very heavy. I had

(18:44):
a very vividit. I had a very vivid fantasy yesterday
of just like making an excuse for leaving somewhere early,
which I do all the time, but just being like, yeah, sorry,
I've got like a thing tomorrow. So like it's been
crazeeing everybody, but I get to get the funk out
of here. Man, I'm rusty. I'm rusty. I'm not gonna
That is one of my top skills. Yeah, yeah, what

(19:07):
about on the phone these days? That's well, I gotta
go because I don't feel like talking anymore. My dog
is on fire. I can't. I'm the opposite. I'm like,
where you gotta go, Where you gotta go right now?
Shut up, nightmare. But you don't make me lie to you.
That's honestly, that's the most aggressive move you can pull

(19:28):
on a group. Zoom calls, go where are you going?
What are you about to do? We know you're not
going anywhere, so dude, you just cried about how you
got broken up with full You're not going nowhere. Dude,
hang out on the call with the homies. These are
people you just met on that call. Yeah, I just
zoom bomb calls and they're like, dude, I told you
to password protect this. What is something you think is

(19:51):
that overrated? This is not timely at all? But I
feel like if a pandemic isn't the right time to
hold grudges, I don't what is. But I feel I
feel like the show Firefly is overrated and I'm still mad.
My friends like it. What's that I'm still mad about it?

(20:12):
Strong take? Are you guys? Are you guys all like
a million years younger than me and you don't know
what Firefly is? I just haven't seen it. Yeah, don't
That's all I'm saying, don't worry about it. Usually i've historically, Yeah,
a lot of isn't. Isn't. I don't know, it's just not.

(20:34):
But I also haven't seen Buffy. So I guess I
know of Firefly because when I early, when I first
started using Twitter, when I was an aspiring writer, I
used to follow I followed Jane Espenson uh and like
her tweets are like really interesting comment tips on writing
that I thought really great. And then I recently started
watching Buffy with my partner her majesty, And but now

(20:54):
I realized this is is this like a part of
that universe? Or is this from her mind? Is she
the show? Like what's Jane Espenson's She wrote certain episodes,
but it's it's strictly a weed and joint right like.
And it has the most annoying theme song I've ever
heard in my fucking life, and it's like the chords

(21:15):
never resolve and it just drives me up the wall.
And I just I had so many friends that were like, oh,
that's pretty good, and I just I'm still holding onto it.
Are you a Buffy fan? Because it wasn't this like
the thing that Josh Weeden like followed Buffy up with. Right, Well,
see here's now I will age myself. I was a

(21:37):
fan of the original movie, so I was like, why
a TV show? That's pointless? So I totally ignored the
TV show. I probably caught it in the afternoon after
school sometimes. You know, I didn't hate it, Um, I
didn't care about it, which is the worst insult I
could give him. It's because she's like such a big
Christie Swanson, such a big Donald Trump supporter, and you're like, whatever,

(22:01):
she know that, Yes, dude, Christie Swanson is fucking out
here showing her ass constantly be with her conservative takes.
We have no heroes, okay, just so that's true, all
y'all have our us the podcasters. Well, I mean I'm
always looking for an excuse to skip, to skip watching
a show and not having to watch it in the end.

(22:21):
So that Sarah Michelle Geller. That's Sarah Michelle Geller, right,
that's the Swan is the movie? Right, And you can't
skip the movie because Perry r I P. I've seen
Scooby like, I've seen Sarah Michelle Geller's best work. Oh
my goodness, I've seen her work as Daphne. You are

(22:44):
obsessed with Scooba right now. You can't. You're missing out.
You're missing out. I thought I knew everything SMG two,
So I saw once more with feeling that Buffy episode
from season six, Well I would get around a Buffy. Yeah, no,
I mean, look, it's not mandatory for anyone. I'm just
locked up with someone who has like Buffy like carved

(23:04):
into their skins, like too if I'm going to watch Sopranos.
But hey, but it's a trade. I'm loving Buffy, she's
loving Sopranos. It all works is definitely like having a
having a thing. I think we need to do something
Sopranos related, uh fairly soon. Maybe that can be like, well,
have I rewatched things over over the weekend, just like

(23:27):
an episode, like a single episode. I don't know. As
a Baltimorean, I feel like I should push that everyone
rewatch The Wire. I feel like I'm on is that
a good show? That's my favorite show, the Wirefly. The
Wire is kind of the Firefly of HBO Preston what

(23:51):
is a myth? Shawanna? What's something people think is true
you know to be false orvice versa? Oh um that
the the clip is only what you can see from
the outside. Ay um, yeah, exactly. That's a different podcast.

(24:12):
I don't know how much you want me to say
about this, but like like that, like the history of
of of people learning exactly the shape and and size
and function of the clitoris throughout history, and then people
being like no, no, no, let's let's forget that. We're
not going to teach that. Nobody cares. And then someone

(24:34):
rediscovers the clip. It like happens like every thirty years
where they're like, you, guys, it's actually this big internal thing,
and everyone's like what. Um. The fact that that has
cycled through multiple times is fascinating to me and really
really shows like how much people just kind of hate

(24:54):
women and don't care about them in general. Um, but
I love love, love of just how weird and wonderful
of a thing the Big Bulbous Clotorist really is. It's fascinating.
So if you don't know what it looks like, find
a diagram, google it, um because it's cool. Yeah, BBC,

(25:16):
that's how a lot of people don't know that. That's
what BBC stands for, is big bulbo. Yeah. Yeah. There's
that documentary this movie is Not Rated that talks about
the fact that female sexual pleasure is like the one
thing that you can't show in movies, and that like

(25:39):
resonated so much. Like that just speaks so much to
like what our culture is afraid of and what our
culture is trying to control so much. It's like one
of those things that just like bleeds through. It's like
you can show you can show like male pleasure in
like a PG movie, but if you even remotely show
a woman getting off, it's it's in our right off

(26:00):
the bat, and you've just like thirteen year olds will
never know that they're like thirteen year old, Like girls
will never know they're allowed to come. Yeah, and that's
a thing that's specifically cut it out of movies. Like
if a woman is shown coming or you know, having
even like something approaching an orgasm on camera, they will
be like, this is an n C seventeen until you

(26:22):
cut that shot of her face, like you can't show Yeah,
it's not even an army of ignorant men who don't
know how to pleasure women. We have we have a
song about the gender orgasm gap called Pleasure and the Beast,
and it's and it's just about that, how like if
we don't learn about our bodies and how they work,

(26:44):
how can we tell someone else, And how on earth
would they ever know, you know, like all clueless about
female sexuality and pleasure and it's bullshit. So that song
is kind of about how I had a lot of
catching up to do in life, and I certainly made
up for it. They hell, yeah, all right, Shawna. Uh

(27:06):
we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back,
we're gonna talk about what is happening in the news.
And we're back and uh so Democrats and even some

(27:30):
conservatives have pointed out the need for additional financial assistance
for people who have lost their jobs in the pandemic.
There are people who are starving, who can't feed themselves,
who can't feed their families. It's clear, uh that you know,
one check or even a second one are probably not

(27:51):
gonna get us through this. Uh. And so there there
are people within the GOP who are basically saying, yeah,
that's cool, Like we we get that people need it.
But you know when they're gonna need it even more
is when they're almost starved to death and it's almost
the election and then we give them money and they're

(28:14):
gonna be like, wow, thank you, just make it rain
on us t rump. Yeah, there's a lot of I mean, yes,
the House Democrats they're like, here's our next bill that
we think people need that when we talked about it,
that is going to bring relief to the citizens. But
the GOP always finds a way to wag their finger
at working people who need help or anybody who is

(28:36):
not a billionaire asking to siphon off our tax funds
so they can you know, reallocate the wealth that in
that direction. And yeah, like Jack saying, what's really interesting
about this? People are out here just saying the like
full throated Okay, this is from Tom Davis, who is
like a former congressman from Virginia. He just said, you
might want to make sure you have not shot your
whole lot. Now. This is something he said when asked

(28:57):
about additional relief for for citizens. He says, you may
want to have something ready to go in September. It's
an election year. The long term in this cycle is
till November. That's what the long not to derailed. But
the idea that this guy is talking about a wad
like again, speaks to that that like, male sexuality is
so normal and mundane. Come, you're not going to care

(29:21):
about what happened, and you're actually gonna want to run
away from the situation. So if we're gonna be good,
better just stick around. I guess you gotta point. And
also that he's like equating like doing a one to
one with like coming and preserving human lives where it's
a luxury. Okay, don't it's so gross. Like he's like, yeah,

(29:45):
we're really gonna need to hold our wad and let
innocent people die for no reason. And then I'm going
to come at the end of the year, which is
the only way that Republicans can come is if there
that's it's their porn. Porn key o o r n.
It's just but their whole thing. Yeah, it's just the same.

(30:07):
It's like, well, it's fine now because clearly what they
just got now was the pre come and clearly they
got pregnant off of that. So just wait till the
wad hits and the election is ours. So you know,
now what they're saying is like, but even people who
understand the economy that are conservative like, yeah, okay, Like
I get you just don't want to spend that money.
But the problem is our economy is consumer spending. So

(30:30):
if they don't have money to give us back to
just right back to us, then nothing works. So maybe
you do want to give him a check. And so
the guy who like runs Sinclair Broadcasting it was telling
Trump about this idea, is like, dude, how about you
hand out these prepaid debit cards that are fucking Trump
branded debit cards. Minuchin had one of these cards yesterday.

(30:52):
It wasn't a Trump card, but it was it was
like a debit card similar to like if you got
like unemployment in this state or like other states have
their like prepaid card, but as a gigantic Trump signature
like on it. You did that with the letters like
if you received a hard check. Um, you got the
big I mean, and that was a big deal too.
That's so manipulative. So that whole thing is like and

(31:14):
but the but a lot of these other people who
are like running industries too, are asking for bailum when
you're like, hey, you know, like economic populism could actually
be good for you too, Like there's it's not just
gonna be a bad thing. Although I know your instinct
is just to give all the like cut up the
pie and give it to like the one percent homies,
but this could also help, you know, like the election

(31:34):
part of it. But you know, we'll see. Apparently, he
called Jared Kushner into the room after the guy gave
him the said pitched the idea of the Trump card.
He's like, get in here, you've got to hear this.
It's my name on a lot of things more than show,
but that show Russell Simmons. Unfortunately, that is smart marketing,

(31:56):
Like that's apply. Yeah, that's literally the only thing he
knows how to do marketing, Like yeah, yeah, I mean
if we all got a card with money on it,
we would spend it right, no matter what was on it. Yeah, yeah,
it's hard to imagine. I mean maybe there would be

(32:19):
something you could spend it on that would be some
form of protest, but still probably everybody would would turn
on the barrel of that signature. Yeah that's just yeah.
So I mean I think along with that though, too,
like is we're shifting into just full on like everything

(32:41):
is horseship nothing's real that we can't we can't actually
have like meaningful discussion or media coverage because we're too
busy covering the dumb shit um and right now, like
it's full on horseship mania right now, Like the hydroxy
chloroquine thing is unbelievable, And I think it's great because
rather than talking about like, you know, the coverage being about, oh,

(33:04):
you've completely botched the pandemic responses and like, rather than like,
you know, if you're in a test, failing your test
and you don't want people to talk about that, just
start you know, getting naked and peeing in your mouth,
and everyone's like not talking about that you failed to
test the story and like this guy is peeing in
his mouth. I don't know if what the heck. And
this is what's happened with this hydroxy chloroquine thing. It's

(33:24):
just completely taking the focus off. People are fucking dying still,
and money is going the complete opposite direction. We're talking
about fucking hydroxy chloroquine and now I don't even know
want to know that name. I'm mad that I even
know the name of that medicine. Yeah, exactly that you have.
And but I think this is the thing, just like
with the whole Trump you know, biosphere, Twitter Sphere, take

(33:47):
takeo sphere, all of his followers now their marching orders,
which is like, alright, hydroxy chloroquine is the new culture
war battle. We're all going to go into to powne
the Libs. And you see it from Q and on followers.
They're posting bootleg recipes to make your own hydroxy chloroquine
with like fruit rhyins um and not to mention like
some of these things, like a grapefruit, Ryan could react

(34:09):
really severely with someone's other medication. There's another guy whos
like drink a bunch of tonic water because the quinine
or quinnine However, you pronounce that in the tonic water
that's like hydroxy chloroquine. I mean that's clearly just because
quinine sounds sort of like Q and on and they're
just hydroxy chloroquine. Yeah. Well, no, I think they are

(34:31):
saying very sort of tenuously that, like someone said, like
the amount of tonic water you'd have to even drink
to even approach some kind of like uh sort of
comparable uh effect would be like twenty five bottles a
day for a week straight. Okay, but I'm gonna follow
that recipe, but I'm not gonna believe scientists that say,

(34:53):
don't fucking take that ship. Cool makes sense, got it? Yeah,
Smash and Gorka is like using prescription bottles of hydroxy
cloric quinn is like a status symbol on Instagram. Glad
he's back in the news. And so there's this thing
called the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons the a APS,

(35:16):
which sounds that sounds official, right, American Association of American Okay,
go on. Yeah, So Brad Parscale, the guy who's running Trump,
tweeted that this medical organization said that hydroxychloric quinn has
about a nine chance of helping COVID patients. So have

(35:41):
we been wrong all along? Because that sounds like an
official body you get pawned as a lib I'm down
to get. I'm happy to get the science is there,
I'll get right if there's a cure that you know
isn't tonic water and for runs that I actually cures

(36:02):
COVID nineteen Hell yes, please be please be right about
something for the first time ever. Q and uh. But
it turns out the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
uh not as scientifically rigorous as that name would lead
you to believe. They are, in fact a scam group

(36:25):
that uses their official sounding name to just you know,
lend the appearance of medical wisdom to culture war battles
like they They support anti vax ship, they support any
conspiracy theory about abortions being like poisonous. They have the
whole thing. So Judd Legum, who was like, started this

(36:48):
newsletter called Popular Info. I I would actually encourage everybody,
every listener to sign up for it. There's a free version.
There's also a version you can pay to do it.
Because Judge is a very good yeah, popular Info and
he's an independent journalist. He's the one who broke that
Kroger story. Like he's just really like his newsletters really
great resource in these in this era we're in because

(37:11):
we have we get so much weird ship in the
news that sometimes you prefer to get some independent journalism
that isn't tied to a mega conglomerate corporation. So with this,
you know he's going into it. Their fucking hit list
is absolutely absurd. Just to start off, he went through
this spreadsheet that the A A. P. Whatever this group is,
the spreadsheet that they use their evidence that code that

(37:32):
the hydroxy chloroquine was actually potentially a safe thing to use.
It's such an awfully, terribly manipulated spreadsheet, Like the data
is absolutely cynically thrown in there to show a point
that like experts looked at it and instantly got nosebleeds
from just how awful and backwards this thing. There's a

(37:53):
fucking section in this spreadsheet that says doctor Oz treated
two patients with COVID nineteen with hydroxy cloroquine and both
of them recovered. There's a fucking entire sell that, Yeah,
don't keep a secret. Guy be proud, and again, like

(38:14):
Jack was saying their hits include from the past such
medical genius takes as HIV probably doesn't cause AIDS. UH,
nicotine not addictive abortion with those cause cancer. Uh, anti vaxx, conspiracy,
bullshit up the yin yang and the grand foot, grand
fucking phenomenal. Please, Obama tricked Jews into voting for him

(38:37):
using mind control. This is what this is very much,
allow me to just read. This is what. This is
what this group, This is what this group has put
on paper out loud for people to read. Is Barack
Obama or brilliant orator, captivating millions through his eloquence or
is he deliberately using the techniques of neural linguistic programming,

(38:58):
a covert form of hypnosis. Techniques of trans induction include
extra slow speech, rhythm, tonalities, vagueness, visual imagery, metaphor blah
blah blah. Obama said, sixteen months have passed, paused thousands,
pause of miles, pause millions of voices. Obama is clearly
having a powerful effect on people, especially young people and

(39:21):
highly educated people, both considered to be especially susceptible to hypnosis.
It is also interesting that many Jews are supported supporting Obama.
What anyway, so that's who's given the sign off on
hydroxy glorquin. Very good oppression of Obama. I thought it
was spot on. By the way, pause pause, It is

(39:42):
weird how he says the pauses out loud. That also,
you can be a good orator and be trying to
hypnotize people. Both can be true. Why is it even
an I've seen it in movies. Yeah, it would have
been convincing if he had been like four and then
the next number he mentioned was three and then but
like they're just highlighting random numbers. Uh uh. But anyway,

(40:08):
all this to say that like this is this is
the new distraction. Also because I think the media has
a hand in not wanting to take on the administration directly,
so it's easy to be like, can you believe this
guy said this goofy stuff? Can you believe people are
there's more poisonings now because of this, when really all
of this coverage needs to be people should be an

(40:30):
absolute uproar that the administration is essentially using legislation to
systematically keep people from living a healthy live and on
some very cynical views, killing people um and demand they
go back for them to die and at the same
time stealing our money and redistributing wealth again to the

(40:51):
one percent. This keeps happening, and then they say, well,
we don't have money for all these programs that you
people need, while the fabric of society completely continues to dissenter. Great,
that's what's fucking happening. Who gives a We know this
guy's a fucking idiot. Now let's change the tune now
to this motherfucker's killing us and stealing our money. How
about that? It is, Yeah, it is on the media

(41:12):
to like trade. I mean, these stories are are like relevant,
and I'm glad that they're getting reported like they like
worst take mad Lib organizations. But it's like you do, Yeah,
it's I feel like the pieces you read about that
a lot often like kind of lack the context of like, well,
let's trace this mentality back to its source and who

(41:33):
are the powerful people because ultimately your average Q and
on member is not that powerful. Um, which they hate
to hear it, but um, but like tracing well, where
does this mentality come from? And who that is has
power and influence is reinforcing this and who stands to
benefit from people doing the worst takes mad lips like

(41:54):
they that context is very rarely there, but it's a
it's important. I feel like it's it's critical into making
a lot of the administration's agenda's work is just having
people that will double and triple down on finding any
uh basically any like racist or discriminatory excuse to justify

(42:15):
what the administration is already doing. Yeah, that does seem
to be the strategy that the administration is going with.
It's like they've noticed that their approval of their support
just remains locked at like the low forties, So they
can't win anybody else over, but they can, you know,

(42:36):
even though that's not a majority. There are ways that
they can win the election with just that chunk of
the people. And one of them is like motivating those
people to go out and do uh, you know, dangerous
things to intimidate other people. And another is to invalidate
the votes of the rest of the country that is

(42:58):
opposed to Trump's policies. And they are testing the waters
with a strategy that I think is going to be
more and more of a part of the Trump strategy playbook,
which is making it so that mail in voting is
no longer allowed, or so that they can just take

(43:21):
huge chunks of mail in voting results and invalidate them.
Trump is already saying. He threatened on Twitter yesterday to
pool federal funding from Michigan and Nevada for mail in
voting efforts. He claimed incorrectly, Obviously, Michigan sends absentee ballots

(43:45):
to seven point seven million people ahead of primaries in
the general election. This was done illegally and without authorization
by a rogue secretary of state, which is not true. Yeah,
not true. Male applications are like application which you're supposed
to do. I mean, just wait, you know, they're gonna
fucking pay. They're gonna find some stooges to be the

(44:08):
the false flag fake voter I D people because they're
gonna they need that. They're gonna need that thing to
point to to begin to like give validity to their
conspiracy theory about voter fraud. Every conspiracy theory they have
is something that they have done. Everything that they blame
the left for they themselves are doing it. And what

(44:29):
they need those is sort of like just how um,
you know, like with acorn and stuff like sending people
in Like they're gonna need to generate a story with
a specific organization to be able to like, you know,
try and hang the this conspiracy hat on something, because
it's not going to be enough to just say like, well,
I mean all this voter fraud is rampant because none

(44:50):
of the data supports that. So they're gonna they know,
I think they need some kind of real data ish thing,
some controversy they can point them like, and can you
believe what happened in Las Vegas or Detroit or whatever?
What happened there? I mean, this group was full on
you know, making there's gonna I can't see them pushing
this strategy without creating without being able to create that

(45:12):
story somewhere, to get their followers to be able to
be like, well what about that? Because they if they
don't have that, then it's they're not motivating their I mean,
it'll be interesting to see they have managed to continue
to make the claim that voter fraud is a widespread
problem with like literally zero evidence to that effect. So

(45:35):
maybe they'll just keep doing that. That's just one of
their tactics to to suppress votes is tough, right, No,
but I think to get to a point where they
can throw them away though, Like, right, right, and how
are we going to protest if we're still freaked out
about getting the virus and like and like maintaining our
health and the health of our families, like how can

(45:58):
we actually mobilize? Like they are in the best position
to funk us all over in so many ways, because
I don't want to leave my house. Well, especially because
it's like we've already seen it happen, and at least
one of the like in some of the primary elections
where people in Wisconsin and a few other states were
asked to basically like, hey, if you didn't register for

(46:19):
mail and voting, like this is the only way you
can make your voice heard is by you know, pre
social distancing, standing in line, and you know it's already happened.
And the fact that the election is timed up pretty
close to win, a second wave could start, um is
like cause for alarm. It's like but like so much,

(46:39):
so much real change in this country has occurred because
people were made to feel inconvenienced. The people in power
were made to feel inconvenienced. And so whether that's a
sit in or stopping traffic or um, you know, showing
up with a bunch of dildos at a at a office.
I don't know, I just made that one. Yea. I
wish they'll kose in my house because it's my birthday. Um,

(47:05):
but I'm just like, how how how can we mobilize?
Like how can we possibly inconvenience them by tweeting at them?
Like the tools that the tools that were left with
are are one tool in the toolbox, Like that can't
be the complete picture of what we're able to do.
It's just so scary and maddening aspicable that they're taking
advantage of us like this and miss being on stage

(47:27):
and yelling about this stuff sorry and feeling like your
body has kind of been taking taken away from you
as far as the tool of protest goes is very
I don't know, it just wild makes you feel so
I don't know, just power, like more powerless than usual.
You're like, oh, I can't even safely use my own
body as a method for protests because that would put

(47:50):
potentially other people in danger. Like it's just okay, well
that's good lyric I'm going to write that down body
for para thank you that songs called the ball the
Ballot of Zamboni. They're going to cheat at the election,
like they're going to find a way to manipulate the vote,

(48:11):
and there's I feel like it's almost a matter of
the people who aren't part of the Trump re election
effort need to be fully prepared to like figure out
how we respond, because it's not going to be a
normal election. It's not going to be a thing where
like Joe Biden or whoever the Democratic nominee ends up

(48:37):
being like appeals and like wins by a narrow margin
in the swing states, and Trump's like, well done, sir,
h you have won the presidency. Congratulations, Like that's not
gonna happen. And I don't know what people are going
to be able to do other than like literally use

(48:59):
their body ease to you know, protest the fact that
the election is being stolen. But like, I don't foresee
any possible version of the future where they don't try
to cheat at the at the election. Like that's just
gonna happen. They did it in sten they got away
with it. Now they're going to do it more blatantly

(49:20):
and it'll be easier at this time. Is the frustrating thing.
Like it's they've been set up, you know, they've kind
of been teed up to steal another election. You know,
our activists elders and ancestors would be like, okay, then
lose your life, then go protest, you idiot, we are
we already did that for you, like fight to keep

(49:42):
your rights. Like yeah, somebody has to die to get
to vote. And that's not unique in this country, which
is mess. Yeah, it's like a regular occurrence. So yeah,
I think, yeah that that that's the thing is legally
the Democrats have exhausted their arsenal of respond like impeachment
was the thing, Like okay, now from fucking now what

(50:05):
when the impeachment was like less than three months ago?
Like the the way the mainstream media has really has
treated that, like man, well you remember that, like that
was remember that that that anybody cared about that anyways?
Moving on like like that was a mistake, Like that
was a strategic mistake. The attempt to hold Trump to account.

(50:30):
It's it's wild. It's like we're not really at a
dangerous place, like the dangers real, Like it's it's happening
right now, Like he's taking the democracy, the version of Americans.
It's dangerous now. It's like seeing a house get eaten
up by termites from the inside out. You might, oh,

(50:50):
ship that looks good, you open the door, the ship
will collapse on you. Like it's not. The of of
decency is somewhat there, and these other things. But all
of this ship is happening now. It's had. The voter
suppression is real now like that. We still have a
constant issues with access to healthcare. We still have trans

(51:14):
women of color being murdered, still at a rampant like
even more so than like normal. It's everything is happening now.
It's just unfortunately we have the news that makes it
look like that's what is going on. That's not what's
going on. What's that's what I think is the darkness.
And even I think last week when you're talking about
like like where we are, like it's it's here, It's

(51:36):
already happening. We're just doing a really good job of
ignoring it and being indifferent to it because it is
overwhelming to say, I live in a state where people
of colored are murdered and shot summarily in the street
without repercussion. People take our rights. Uh. People don't have
control over their own bodies. People don't have the right
to live in a humane way. That's all real right now,

(51:57):
But it's just easy to be like, oh, this guy's
taking right Quinn. And meanwhile, like some people really feel
deeply in their soul like everything is really really bad. Actually,
how lucky does Trump feel that he got a virus
to scare the ship out of all of us? How
much does he love this? Right? That's the first time

(52:19):
I've actually really thought about it. Like I thought he's
like inept and incapable of empathy and he doesn't know
what to do, and but this is the first time
I'm kind of thinking like, oh, he's glad. He's glad
that we're all obsessed with this virus in our health
so that we can't help anyone else, that we're all
only worried about our self interests, which is understandable. Right now,

(52:42):
to that point, I feel like there are some uh
not positives from the situation, but there, but there are
I mean, activism is continuing um and it is difficult,
and it's like people are trying to figure out how
to evolve and how can we safely protest because ultimately,
the last thing you want is to be involved in
protesting and then accidentally hurt your fellow protests. That's the

(53:06):
last possible thing that you would want to do, but
it is. I mean, I have been very encouraged over
the past couple of months to see people just figuring
out new ways to protests that extend beyond like screaming
in a Twitter bubble, which is occasionally effective, usually it's not.
But um, like the organizations that I follow or am
involved with or whatever whatever is tangentially around, there's people

(53:28):
who have been doing drive in protests where they will
park in front of like a Snideline Star's house and
just fucking yell their heads off. That's a safe way
to protest. That is really fun because you can just yell.
There are places that are where unhoused people are reclaiming
empty homes and empty units and um saying that like

(53:50):
look there there, This is a huge thing. In every
major city. There's always a ton of units empty due
to greed, and there's always a ton of unhoused people
that could use them. And there are like movements that
are still evolving. There are still you know, the jillion
people zoom calls of people that have energy and time
and want to do things. And it is it isn't

(54:12):
like you know, activism and resisting things has stopped. It's
just become very confusing and it's changed and but it
but it hasn't stopped. It is just like the biggest
challenge I think for all, uh, the people I used
to organize with who are like working in the city
and stuff like that, of having like how is there

(54:33):
a way to effectively do this anymore? And yeah, it's
it's frustrating because I think at the end of the day,
we all just need to really kind of accept the
fact that we actually have a lot that we have
to do to get to a better place. Like it's
not like we we want to improve on this place
we're at right now. It's not that. It's that we

(54:54):
need to actually address a deficit, like a huge deficit
that we have not addressed in decades um. And that's
what I feel like when we get you know, just
the way the media covers these things, it completely ignores that,
and it just it sucks doubly because now the people
who are most vulnerable are being hurt even more. Can
I have a tiny self promotion moment? Yes, Like I

(55:19):
think that a general feeling of feeling out of control,
like you have no power. I think that's really common
right now. And I think that if you don't have
to buy my book to do this, although it doesn't hurt,
but if you want to have something to do and
feel like you're being productive and helpful, like learning bystander

(55:39):
intervention right now is great. Learning safer space technic is great. Um,
it's just it gives you something to do that that
influences your tiny world, because the bigger world seems overwhelming, right,
So just focus on what you can do. You can
make sure every interaction you have or you witness is
a say if one and everyone's being treated fairly. Like

(56:02):
that's possible, right. You can't stop every huge, giant, bad guy,
but you can make sure your world feels welcoming and inclusive. So,
whether that's through my book or not, like it's something
I don't know. I just think people need something to
do to feel positive about. Yeah. That that is empowering though,
because then you can act. You have your feedback right

(56:24):
there that you're affecting change in immediate proximity. Yeah, there's
there's a good time for the serenity prayer, whether you're
a religious person or not. I feel like there's a
there are a lot of ways that you can help
beyond obviously, I think what a lot of people have
been doing is like giving their money, which is important
and if you're able to do that, continue doing it.

(56:46):
But there are ways that you can get involved and
just like from a selfish standpoint, feel involved with a
community and um, talk to people about the wild anxieties
are having in like translating it into at least an attempt,
which is, you know, in some days is the most
you can ask for. It's like, well, I've I've fucking
tried to help and do something today, and that's sometimes

(57:10):
all you can do. Absolutely, all right, guys, let's take
another quick break. We'll be right back to talk about
Michael Bay. And we're back and Michael Bay is also

(57:32):
back at work, back at it again. Michael not surprisingly
um the movie. So he's been like a sort of
a covert right wing filmmaker for the past I don't know, Yeah,
maybe it's literally sponsored by the US military, Like yeah,

(57:54):
I guess it's pretty out in the open, but it
doesn't get talked about all that much. But anyways, I
think it takes the wants of his work that like
you have to you have to actually be kind of
aware to see because it's not like he's always saying
like it's not like overt misogyny or it is and
overt racist. It is. Yeah, I guess it's I guess

(58:16):
maybe it's covert in the sense that I haven't been
paying attention to his movies. Uh, and that's my bad.
So he made the Benghazi movie that was basically, you know,
the dramatization of all the things that the Republicans were
shouting about on the on the floor when they were

(58:37):
just trying to work up an excuse to uh invalidate
the Obama presidency. He turned that into an action movie.
And now he is turning the coronavirus into an action movie.
He's creating a pandemic set two years in the future.

(58:57):
It's called Songbird, and it's going to be the first
movie that starts producing once people are able to resume production.
They're already, like, you know, figuring out the shooting schedule
that's going to allow them to make it without people
in the same room. So I was gonna say, how
many people are gonna die making this movie specifically? So wait,

(59:22):
they're they're they're doing a social distancing production. Is that
what the idea is? Okay, yeah, I mean they cleared
it with all the unions, and I mean this is
as the unions are still trying to figure out like
how a disaster, but like I'm I'm interested. Yeah, So

(59:43):
they're gonna have people like prep the shot ahead of time,
like prep the room, like basically do all the jobs
that people are typically doing at the same time on
a movie set, but like one at a time in
a room. Uh, and then they'll clear the room, and
then the lighting personnel come in, and the sound personal

(01:00:03):
come in, then the actors will come in, and like
everybody will just do their job one at a time essentially.
And I think it's somehow ties into the premise of
the movie that, like it's a future two years in
the future, the pandemic has not gone away presumably there.
It's not that it hasn't gone away because Donald Trump

(01:00:23):
has completely fucked things up beyond recognition. It's probably some
sort of government conspiracy. And and in fact, like as
they're pitching it or people who know the plot say
that there is some sort of involvement of a government conspiracy. Um,
so thanks will be yeah, thanks a lot. Obama way

(01:00:46):
to go. The show is gonna be I mean, the
movie is gonna be a fucking disaster that goes without saying.
But it is interesting to hear like at least proposed
plans I mean just I guess, I guess in our
fucking liberal bubb and our little like so kel bubble,
it is interesting to hear like proposed plans of like
how people could conceivably maybe possibly go back to work

(01:01:08):
in a way that is attempting to be saved. I
feel like we should let this production run its course.
And also I'm I'm wondering, like are there going to
be oversight people there to make sure that these things
are actually being reinforced. I feel uncomfortable with like taking
Michael Bay's productions that their word for things like saying
what why, what's wrong? But it will be interesting to

(01:01:30):
see what like protocol has changed and what very precedents
will because it'll have to change, like I mean, so,
and there's a ton of like thinking about it going on,
Like a buddy of mine who who does a ton
of Netflix shows, like the way they're even thinking about
like quadrants of productions where there's certain crew fits in
one of four quadrants, and very few people have access

(01:01:51):
to multiple quadrants to keep everything like contained. Like there's
a lot of number crunching, whiteboard stuff going on and
like trying to fit hear that out on top of
like having an efficient production. But I think the one
thing I just want to say about this movie that
I'm kind of piste off about is like it's about
a dude who comes back from Italy and brings the

(01:02:11):
fucking ship with him back from Italy. Cool, so we
can relame someone else, Well, then I just love Italy.
I just feel like it's a personal attack against me
because if I go back again and I have this
movie in my mind, like it's going to completely taint
people going back to It's also it's also you can
like see when the premise was conceived. It was like

(01:02:34):
when Italy was the hot spot in America was like right, yeah, well,
and now like, why why would you even need somebody
to be returning from Italy for a movie set two
years in the future when America is the hot spot
and has been the hot spot for longer than Italy
ever was like the epicenter. Well, if if he's still

(01:02:57):
taking money from the U. S Military and there's I
need to find like that there's like a definitive piece
on like not just Michael Bay's history with getting endorsements
from the U. S. Military, but like the US military
in general and film. Yeah, that's like and culture that
they take part in. Well, just that it doesn't like
a great it's like a long, very expensive military recruitment poster.

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Well yeah, and that there's like people who work for
the military whose job it is to find filmmakers who
will frame the U. S. Military and a positive light
and whatever. There's a lot of mutual and that's how
they get access to the bang bangs and the that's
how you get the tanks. You can't get the tanks
unless you're making stuff that pleases the absolutely well know,
because like uncertain agreements like the Pentagon or a fish

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someone the Pentagon has some kind of way in on
like notes at a certain point, like when you're using
they get script approval when you're using like aircraft carriers
and fighter jets. Yeah, so this movie is not going
to be good. I think that it's more just saying
that they're going to be one of the first to
try to figure out if you like, you know, the

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methods that are going to be used. Also, who the
funk wants to see? I don't I don't want to see.
I'm trying to escape that. I don't want to know.
I don't want to think about virus. I don't know.
If I saw the trailer, I'd be like, it's about
people wearing masks who can't leave the house. I'm gonna
be Mark Wahlberg ground like the Rock had, like his
wife and like cool urban camel screaming through a thin mask,

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being like we gotta like people are gonna love it.
I just can't wait. Like Tom Hardy has is the
one actor who's been prepared for this because he always
likes to have the bottom time his face covered up,
so like I I wonder if he's just taking advantage
of that in his personal life, like with just really
strong eye contact and like he he can speak an

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entire paragraph to somebody without using his mouth, just like
with his eyes. Um. But like so I will watch
the Tom Hardy movie about the like that it requires
him to wear a plague mask. But because you think
he's in the lab right now, especially like dealing, imagine
imagine what his mask game is like independence days another movie, like, yeah,

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Independence Day, all the transport You're right there, it's what
Michael Bay like, all the Transformer movies are basically military vehicles. Yeah,
they're they're like the Pentagon is the studio and it works.
Yeah yeah, yeah, no. I I joined up the day
after I saw Transformers. To Transformers to the first one,

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You're like, I'm not. But then that bumblebee car huh
it is that I've actually never seen those movies, so
I don't off the screen. There's a great YouTube series

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by Lindsay Ellis that analyzes Transformers movies from like every
like she does like a like a queer reading of Transformers.
She does like she does like seven different readings of
the movies, and they're really really funny and smart. Highly
recommend I mean better than the movies. They are much shorter.

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Most of the things that are produced by Transformers by
the movie that aren't the movie are better than the movie.
There's this behind the scenes documentary about like this, like
all these gadgets that Michael Bay invented to like get
the shots he wanted and presumably invented with the help
of the Pentagon. But like he goes into these other

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countries and just treats them like a sandbox that he
gets to play around in. At one point, he blows
up a car accident really that was just like parked
on the side of the road and it goes into
a building that he hadn't cleared, like and oh my,
just it's just like pure luck, that pure luck that

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he didn't kill anyone. You just like to see him
be like, oh shit, that's wild that one up there.
Damn can somebody check in there? Um dude, any what
is like America's foreign policy right there? Whoah? Oh damn? Right, Well, Shanna,

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it's been so lovely having you on the daily zeitgeist.
Where can people find you? Follow you all that stuff supports?
You can buy you some box mall back. You can
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Potter or find me on Twitter or Instagram or Facebook
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Eventually we'll play again. We'll have a new album out
when we get back to semi normal. Uh. And is
there a tweet or some other work of social media
you've been enjoying? Yeah, you know what tweets? I really
like is the kind of the series of tweets that
are like, fellas, is it gay to blank? You know?

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So I saw one this week. The New York Post
shared an article in the fourteenth that said men are
less likely to wear face masks because they're quote not
cool and a sign of weakness. And so this guy,
Philip Henry tweeted that and said, fellas, is it gay
to be alive? And it's just like a perfect encapsulation

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of that whole toxic vibe. Jamie, where can people find you?
And what's the tweet you've been enjoying? You can find
me on Twitter at Jamie loft as hell Instagram with
Jamie christ Superstar. I'm just give another shout out to
super producer on a hose Nie on her birthday. Follow

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her everywhere, listen to Ethnically Ambiguous, listen to Deckheads, listen
to the full hosnier Um. And then I'll also shout
out a tweet from my friend Jared at the Grimy
Ghost Uh that there's there's a video component to this tweet,
but it's worth it, uh for all you Wolf of
Wall Street heads. I guess the caption is me when

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they end the quarantine too early and tell me it's
safe to leave the apartment. And here's the video that
goes with it, leaving, I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving.

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That's pretty good of myles. Where can people find you?
Follow you? And what's the tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram,
PlayStation at work, Michael Bay's house at Miles of Gray.
Uh yeah, check me out on those cool spots. Uh,
let's see some tweets that I like. Uh, first one

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is from my coast. Unfortunately, fiance Sophia Alexandra at the
Sofia says, comedians, congrats on our parents really not understanding
how we aren't on SNL now that it's just people
talking into phones. Yeah definitely. Wait so that's just what
they're doing. You could do that? Yeah, mom, I'm podcasting now,
but thanks, But it says a podcast like you should

(01:10:34):
do that in one of your sketches. Yeah, on your
comedy skits. Comedy skits too, when your comedy skits. Also
from Blair Saki at Blair Saki, I lose my fucking
ship when anyone in my family tries to talk to
me when I'm listening to my financial advice for women
audio book. I just imagine like Blair fucking a growing

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very strong blare energy. Those are my tweets that I like,
all right, and we should ender every segment like that
tweets tweets I've been enjoying. By the way, everybody, I
always do a big thumb point at myself when I
say that, so you siege at see. Joiner tweeted currently

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auditioning large bass players for my Husker Do cover band,
Huskier Dudes. Patrick Verona Uh retweeted this, I think about
this legendary Joker review and the review is just one star.
If you've never swam in the ocean, then of course
a pool seems deep. Uh. And then Laura Marie tweeted,

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my superpower is buying movies on Amazon the week before
they're free on Netflix. Identify. You can find me on Twitter.
Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at
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where we link off to the information that we talked
about in today's episode, as well as the song we
ride out on miles what's not gonna be today? So
you know what, in honor of Seawan's band War on Women,
and in honor of the Clitterest, We're going to go
out on pleasure and the beast by one women. Put
that in your brain? Hey, whod the thought? Man? I
don't know if you guys check this out. This clitterest

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thing's got a bunch of nerve endings. Huh well look
into that like all around it, man, like just not
even just like on that lap for two years. All right,
we'll talk about it thirty years from now again. By
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Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your
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We'll be back this afternoon to tell you what's trending,
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