May 12, 2022 • 36 mins
Miles and Jack are joined by former college player and current Utah Jazz beat writer for The Athletic, Tony Jones on the latest Mad Boosties. Beyond continuing their playoff breakdown, they also go into some of Tony’s experiences both playing the game and covering the league.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back, Welcome back. You know what we're doing this week?
The playoffs continue, so there's plenty to talk about this episode,
and oh the Jah James Harden and the Revs coming
back with just big dad energy, making a really interesting
music video. And also we're just gonna talk all the
things making us continue to be in love with the
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NBA with our guest, jazz beat writer for the Athletic,
Tony Jones. I'm Miles Gray and I'm Jack O'Brien and
this is my and Jack Got Mad boo boost imperfect
synchronization boom. Welcome back, y'all to another edition of Miles
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and Jack Got Mad boost Ease. Today's realized how much
sixty minutes energy our intro has, where you're like, I'm
Miles Gray and I love Jack and I'm Morley Safer
and this is mad boost these But yes, let's introduce
our guests. We are thrilled to beat wined by Utah.
You has beat writer for the Athletic, Mr Tony Jones.
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Welcome Tony, How are you guys? Thanks for having me.
I'm really excited to have you. Where are you coming
to us from? Are we talking around from? From? Not
just like right now currently your living room. I'm at
home in my living room. I just eight and you're
in Utah and I'm in Utah, okay. And then where
are you from from? I'm from New York, Okay. I've
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heard of that place, Nicks fan. I am a huge
hard next died hard. What do you mean by that?
There was a there was a certain to that. I
really like, what do you what does that mean to you?
I mean, it just it's just it's just disappointment. You know,
from when h john Starts went two for eighteen in
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games first this man sling us in five and nine
and you know my guys Stephan Marlburry coming back to
York and that ended up well to to us finally
being competent again with Jason Kidd and Carmelo Anthony and
Amri Stott ameyer to the last decade of just futility.
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What's the Knicks memory that you hold near and dear
to your heart? The next memory that I hold near
and dear in my heart? Um, you know obviously Larry
Johnson's four point of play. M like young Mark Jackson.
This is when I was a kid like young Mark Jackson.
You know, a fresh out of St. John's. He was
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shout out to Bishop Locklin because he went to Bishop
Blocklan and I grew up like five blocks away from
Bishop Blocklin, And you know, just all of my good
memories are from the nineties. But the ambiance of being
in the garden and going to basketball games, you can't
be every year, I say, you know, like my Mets.
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You know, I say the same thing. This is the year,
this is the year. Hey, you might have something with
the Mets this year. My house, too bad not too
is the best player in Major League Baseball. But we're
here to talk basketball, Tony, and to redirect this to
becoming a full on Mets podcast because I'm excited to
uh gotta talk about you know, just the last week
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or so has been fantastic, filled with wonderful, wonderful moments. Jack.
I know you're feeling a song for John Morant in
your heart yet again. Yeah, I'm holding a torch carrying
it around my house. Real quick. I have to tell
Mark Jackson story. So, my dad, Tony is a is
a basketball coach or he's retired now, but he was
an assistant with the Knicks when they drafted Mark Jackson
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Jim O'Brien. Yeah, so he was an assistant or Patino
there he Uh, they draft Mark Jackson. I'm like six
or seven. He's my favorite player. And I wrote a
biography of him and brought it to him and watched
him read it. And I hadn't done any research on
so so the story was all about how everyone told
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him he was too small to play basketball just because
he looked small next to like all the other players.
And he was very kind. Uh, he didn't throw it away,
he signed it, and uh, great guy, amazing like early
Mark Jackson. He was a Rookie of the Year even
though he wasn't like, you know, one of the one
of the top picks that year. But that was that
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was a fun team. Those were fun days in New York. Yeah,
those are days, right, you know. You know Mark Jackson
and Ros Strickland both one year apart. You know, they
were kind of like a dynamic duo at the point
guard spot. Yeah, I mean, yeah, the nineties were fun.
You know, we had all the sixty seven sixty five
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basketball games that we can handle on those days. Right. Also,
Rod Strickland one of my favorite references ever in a
rap song sickening guarantee made him jump Like Rod I
was like, because it's like nice and obscure, you know,
it's like a little and it's like, isn't it the
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last rhyme that rout it out? Yeah? We are from
New York. He was a bucket getter. Uh yeah, yeah, alright, well,
speaking of bucket getters, I gotta talk jab you know
that we while we're recording this, there's just a report
that he might be out for the remainder of the series.
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We'll see how the series plays out. It might be
over by the time people listen to this. But we
recorded our last episode right before he dropped forty seven,
including the final fifth team for the Grizzlies. You know,
became the first player to score forty five plus and
multiple playoff games before the age of twenty three. But
like there's this one play uh you know, I think
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Golden States job brings it up. He twist the defender
up so bad that he just sits down and is
turned around like backwards and then just sits down as
Joh just you know puts it in over everybody with
just perfect touch switch. Now he's got two under two
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minutes to go, you know what the way, It's like
he was trying to move with Jah and then the
second job was like I might just pivot. It's like
Pool was completely gave up and it's like, all right,
I need to completely or reorient my body. Just to
find out that he was sold a faulty pitch where
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he was like, wait, where do you go? He's like, sorry,
it's this is this is what I'm doing right now.
I think the best part about that move was Jordan
was completely beaten and joh still gave him another move
after that. R That's what it was like, Okay, my
knees just collapsed. I touched Earth. And I think it's
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a proposed because Jordan Pool been doing at the defenders
all year, right, somebody got him back. So like the
fourth quarter when Jah took over was I don't know again.
I keep referencing the Lebron series against the Pistons, that
game where he just took over and could get to
the rim anytime he wanted, and nobody thought that the
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Calves were gonna beat the Pistons, and just all of
a sudden it was like, oh, they have no answer
for him. He is at the rim at will and
there's something that's how That's how it felt watching joh
just get into the lane and get easy shots like
you know, most most of them. By the time he
was done cooking his defenders, he had just wide open
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looks from like three ft out. And there's just something
weird about watching it, I think, because they make it
look so easy. The shots look easy, But what's really happening,
I think is everyone else is operating at a speed
that's like cent slower than him, and so it's like
what bullet time would have looked like if the camera
didn't slow down to how like Neo was perceiving time.
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It's just right, he's just moving and more locked in
by a significant enough margin that like he's just doing
whatever he wants with the ball. Yeah, there's a casual
nous of but I think the only time I experienced
that is when I play against children. Yeah, and you
play against children a lot, which is you know a
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lot of people question that decision by you. But like
I've always said, you got to try your sham God
on kids first before you can really take that to
the court. I can hit him with the sham God
really easy, and that's it helps me feel like a
fully formed adult, I guess, but it's true that that's
sort of that same feeling. Uh but yeah, it's I
hope that I hope he's okay. Though I hope he's okay.
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I think there's been a conversation happening. What level is
he had at least this season? You hear him compared
to like some very good, like m v P caliber people,
and then sometimes people like bring up, you know, is
he going to be top three, top five at some point?
This moment felt like one of those things that I'm
going to remember, like this playoffs in general, Like also
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that incredible second half against the Wolves where he had
the best dunk of the season and then like that,
the momentum of that just like blew that game up
and suddenly you know, he was just scoring at will.
Like it. It did remind me of those playoff moments
that you've seen from Lebron and m J and like
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a couple others. But like it's it felt rarefied. It
felt like next level. Like I hope at least we're
in the jaw era now, you know, uh, you know,
I don't know if we're in a gy era, because
I mean Lucas in the same era. Yeah, and there
was a play. There's a play this week where Luca
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did the same thing, turned somebody around and then the
person sat down. I mean, I think it's safe to
say wearing a another golden there or point guards. I mean,
you know Luca, Jah, Trey Young, you know those guys
obviously at the forefront. You know, I think the best
example to use how much talent there is in the
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league is if you look at Luca and you look
at John, look at their secondary point guards. Look at
Jalen Brunson and entire Jones. Both of those guys are
starters in this league. Yeah, hyas Jones is coming off
the bench. Obviously, Jalen Brunson starts, but you know he
kind of starts on the wing. But you know, both
of those guys, I mean, these are guys that aren't
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day in, day out point guards, and yet they're gonna
go to different teams next year and they are going
to get paid. And I think that, as much as anything,
is a testament to how much talent there is at
the position right now. Yeah, I mean, I I've had
the same feeling that like this is the most talented
the position has been collectively like ever and I've been wondering,
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is it that people, you know, this is a generation
that like watch Steph for you know, so long, just
like kind of changing the game and breaking it open
by like you know, doing things differently. Is it just
that there is you know, more people playing basketball, and
there's more available like clips and you know, ways to
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learn the game, and so you know, just by sheer,
you know, population numbers people who are tall enough to
play point guard. There there's more of them, and so
you're just gonna have like I don't I don't know why.
You kind of are seeing in the NFL with wide
receivers too, that like this one position has just like
kind of suddenly kind of become just you want to
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draft a wide receiver now because like all of a sudden,
wide receivers are better than they used to be. Um
like significantly, I feel like we're kind of seeing a
similar thing with point guard. I don't know what. I
love to hear theories. I've always thought, you know, the
point guard is the most important position on the floor.
You gotta have dynamic pick and role players. You've gotta
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have guys that can touch the paint. With two feet
off the trouble. You gotta have guys that that can
bend the defense and you know, put defenses in tough spots.
And you know, you look at some of the best
point guards in the league. You look at Steph you
look at Job, look at Chris Paul, you look at
Trey Young, look at Luca. Obviously, you know those guys
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they've been your defense, and you have the game plan
for for those guys and when they do been your defense.
They're incredible shot makers, which is collectively something that that's
kind of jaw dropping in today's game, but they're also
really great playmakers for other people. You know, always key
on them. But yeah, I think to your point, like
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even what you're saying that the amount of information that's
available to somebody who's interested in playing basketball is at
a really different level than it used to be. Like
I saw better kids whooping than I did by going
to the gym and then whatever I could catch on TV.
There wasn't like YouTube clips I could then go to
try and like actually developed very specific parts in my game.
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I think that part is also the information amount of
information about I think something else too that's pretty underrated
all right, let's take a quick break and then Miles,
we're gonna find out what your clip of the week
was and then do a little playoff recap and we're back.
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Uh And you know, I just I wanted to to
get in some Philadelphia love just for a moment, because
I'm watching this, you know, this this postseason as a neutral,
but there is something I just love those dagger moments
in games when players can absolutely just take the momentum
away from the other team in one simple movement. And
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I have to talk about James Harden the fourth quarter
of that game, for uh. I, I've never watched something
that was so satisfying to me as a neutral in
a long time, mostly just because of those debilitating, demoralizing
step backs. There was like a maxi lob that was
sandwiched in between Harden threes that just every time it
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felt like there was a chance for just some kind
of momentum to go the other way, he was just
there immediately to snuff out the flame of of Miami.
And yeah, I'll just we'll play a little bit of
the sounds from that so you can get a bit
of an experience right now, Philadelphia, and he needs to
touch the ball on this possession, here comes Harden now
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thing right through the teeth in the defense. Stand corrected.
J are continuing to attack. Let that drama build here
in South Philly, Maxie three to shoot pardon from deep.
See those moments right Miami's it's one oh one to
one oh six. You're in the fourth quarter as a fan,
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You're thinking, Okay, if we can get a stop, maybe
we're in it. And then just casually, here comes this
bearded man to completely ruin your day. And I just like,
and I know, Jack, you were not you weren't you
were watching at the time, and I said, please watch
it because I always watched the Winds. I just watched
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him after the fact because otherwise that just takes too
much out of me. And I also just have to
give a shout out to my man who somehow during
all of that, found a moment to sleep through I
don't know, like this is in the third quarter, just
to sleep on the baseline. Absolutely found found a moment
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of respite, and I just I thought that was that
warmed my heart altogether. I was like, Yeah, this is
this Philadelphia Games giving me a lot of a lot
to enjoy. Yeah, they caught him in the background, Kyle
Larry's bringing the ball up and uh, you know you
just see him on the baseline catchten Z. It's it's
a real dad move. I've done it during Um you
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know I went. I took my kids to see Sonic too,
And you know that that was a nap. That's what
That's all. That was. That's all it was designed to be.
Now at a four point playoff game, where you're sitting
on the floor, I mean you might you must be
very tired, sir. He's working, he's he must have put
in a shift. I get being tired. Some places I've
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fallen it. The only sporting event I've ever fallen asleep
at is a baseball game. Energetically, that feels like the environment.
But there's something about how you can be on the floor,
like you're saying, in a playoff game through wearing like
six Ers gear. I'd imagine you were a fan and
you still you just had to sneak in that little
shut I But yeah, being on the floor in an
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NBA game is a life changing experience. It changed Like
I I was courtside once and I was like, oh,
this changes everything about like what I think that a
human body can do, just like seeing them that close,
seeing how fast and strong and big and like high
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they are actually jumping up close. Yeah, so maybe that's what.
Maybe he just like took in a couple of quick
breaths and like needed a feigning couch. He hardens. Resurgence
was too much by the end of that hardening kind of,
I mean, the game was over. My man obviously put
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in a grave guard shift the night before the third shifter.
It was just, you know, he's like, the game is over,
hard and put their lights out to too, wake me,
wake me wine. Game five starts, and it's funny. He
did an interview like right after and he's like, nah,
I just they caught me quite literally at the moment.
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I just caught in a couple of zase and I
woke right back up. But unfortunately, when you're you know,
on the baseline and the camera can't get you, it's
a great quality to have just be able to turn
it on and off. Right. Just got me at the
wrong time. I was just sleeping while he was bringing
the ball up the court. The second they got into
the teeth of the offense, I was I was going
to be back up they just you know, um, but
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that series is fun too too. As of this recording, uh,
one of the teams will be up three two and
looking to close out by the time you are listening
to this. Let's talk. We gotta talk the Celtics. You know,
last week we talked um Janice after what he did
to the Celtics in Game one. But the Celtics have
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come roaring back to tie it to too, And man,
Jayson Tatum is I don't know. His footwork is so
out of control, nice and like precise, and I don't
know some of his euro stepping. His footwork is one
of the first things I noticed about him. And also
when he's on it really feels tony. I talk a
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lot about like when Clay Thompson is locked in and
the ball is not not just going in, it's hitting
the like mathematical, like geometric center of the rim, like
every single time that he puts it up. I I
feel like Tatum gets in those zones too, where it's
kind of uncanny. Boston's leader seven tat, he's been great
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seven half. I think he's got a chance to be
the next American born player to be NBA m V
pow Yeah, you know, just the footwork and you know
the number of counters that he has combined with you
know his positional size, the ball handling ability. You know,
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he's always an attack mode. He's always going at you,
and the fact that he defends really well. Yeah, one
of the best perimeter defenders. Yeah, plays both sides of
the ball. So I think that the next have you
seen an American born player be named the NBA's MVP
has got a good chance to be Jackson Tatum. Yeah,
he made me sit down at one time. He put
someone in the spins like on my legs, stopped working.
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And then we also got to talk Luca right. I
think the last time we recorded that they were down
oh one. So he's got six d fifty five points
through twenty playoff games. That is third behind Will and Jordan's.
That's it. That's um interesting company. Yeah, they're interesting company. Um,
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those guys are good. Uh do you see the play
where he was on the ground and just threw a
perfect time like from from his butt on the court,
had an ocean, Luca drives the clothes out. It should
be a favorable matchup for Donchen. The defense by a
that went straight up comes right to lud the past
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from us bottles reminded me of Magic, and I believe
the Kurt Rambers or Ac Green Magic was on his backside. Me. Yeah, yeah,
that summed everything up for me, because everything he does
seem so relaxed, like he might as well be sitting
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down for a lot of the plays. As a playoff
performer right now, I'm not sure that there's a guy
that I'd rather have in a playoff game right now.
And look at Yeah, I mean it's hard to argue with,
especially on offense. I think he's that good. I think
that he's the best player since Lebron and Magic at
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dictating pace and making you play possession of possession at
his pace. You know, Magic obviously super fast, but Lebron
and Luca, you know, they slowed you down. And Lebron's
ability to slow a team down is the reason why
he was able to be successful against the Warriors in
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so that's Lucas Probably that's one of his best traits
is you know he grabbed the defensive rebound, who get
you up the floor and he's gonna slow you down
and you're gonna play at his face. At his number
of possessions, and you gotta get better possessions and his
number of possessions then he does. And that's extremely hard
to do. And right now, I just don't know that
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there's a guy, a single guy in the league that
I in a in a playoff scenario. But I'll take
over over Luca. Just looking at the West, who do
you like in that series? And do you see the
eventual finals contender and that series or do you think
who do you like? You like the Grizzlies, how do
you see that all playing out right now? Probably favorite
the Warriors slightly to come out of the West, but
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you know, Phoenix in Golden State would be a fascinating series,
and honestly, Dallas and Golden State would be a fascinating
series as well, just because I'm not sure, like, you know,
how many bodies can you throw at Luca if you're
the Warrior person. And I think the beauty of the
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Mavericks is, you know nobody talks about it is they have,
you know, a lot of wing defenders, you know, Dorian Phinney, Smith,
Reggie Bullock, Josh Green, you know, Frank Nickelina. They have
a lot of wing defenders that make shots so structurally
they're they're they're structured pretty pretty perfectly around Luca, and
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it's just really, you know, it's that they're hard to
beat in you know, I watched them up close with
you know, in the series with the Jazz. You know,
they were really hard to beat them, and they're proving
to be hard to beat right now. You know. I
think a lot of people talking about Boston being on
a territ towards the end of the season rightly so,
but I didn't realize Dallas has the second best record
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since January one. So Phoenix has the best record because
they just had the best record all year. They just
stayed winning the whole time. Dallas has the second best
record since since January first uh and then Boston, then
Memphis and then the Sixers. Um. So I don't know
that that that was instructive because watching some of these
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Sons Mavericks games, I was like, wait, are the Mavericks
like my pick to come out if they if they
beat the Suns, Like, would they be my pick? And
I'm like starting to like be open to that idea.
Even though I've been you know, kind of pulling for
the Warriors, I've been really interested in seeing like what
they do with this new nucleus, and they are really
fun when they get it going like they did in
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Game three. But I don't know, man, Dallas is tough.
Luca is very very hard to stop. Yeah, yeah, he's
He's extremely difficult to stop. And you know, they've got
they defend really well, and you know, when they go
five out, it's just really hard to to defend them
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because you know, they've got five shooters on the floor
at any given and the able defend out of that,
even though they're small, and they've been able to they've
proven to be able to rebound out of that, even
though they're small. Dallas is just a bear. They're they're
bare structurally, and you know, obviously Luca, you know, he
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telps the scales in a major way. And you know what,
and shout out to Jason Kidd, not only Jason Kidd,
but shot out the coast off his chief assistant. Those
two guys have main coaching their behinds off all year
and that's continued in some playoffs. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean
Jason Kidd used to torture me when I was a
Celtics fan and he was just putting them out of
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the playoffs every year. That was the first time I
saw somebody where I was like, oh, they are a
computer that always just puts the ball in the exact
right position every single time for like optimum and then
Lebron like has done that his entire career. But Jason
Kidd was the first time where watching someone do that
felt very helpless, like, oh man, I just can't stop
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him from making the decision. Let's take a quick break
and then we'll be right back. And we're back. It's
time to ask our guests. Tony. Uh, you know, what
is the wildest thing you've ever seen on the basketball court?
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To you? With whether you saw it as on TV
or just experience, but what is what is that moment
to you that kind of defines you just being like, Wow,
I don't want to hear the wildest thing that I've
seen on the basketball court because in the NBA game,
And that's just on the basketball part, Okay, alright, so me,
we're not talking about the wildest thing. Okay that that
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would have ended up and uh yeah that that was
not good. Um, we're talking just the NBA game. While
this thing we've seen an NBA game probably uh, you know,
the chase down block in Yeah, that's got to be
one of the greatest players ever, right right, yeah, either
side of the court. Yeah, just incredible, Like wow, block
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of the game that's we come up on the middle
of the half pro Lebron run as fast as that.
Ever since then? Has there anyone, I mean, the determination
what that block meant, I don't know. I don't know
if he has, you know, shout out j R. Smith
who made Um Andrea Goodalla change his shot exactly Without
that initial contest from j r. Um, Lebron gets dumped on.
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Yeah right right were you were you kind of a
career long Lebron fan. Yeah, I've always been at so
some fact about me. I was born in Akron, Ohio. Okay,
you know, I was adopted. So that's why I grew
up in New York because the woman who would adopted me,
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my mother moved in New York and that's where I
grew up. But my siblings all grew up in Akron,
so niece's nephews. Point being, I was probably a Lebron
family just because of that, right, Yeah. Did you play
a lot growing up? Oh? Yeah, I got played. Who
are some of the people you you come up against
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UH during that time. My high school teammate was Mark Jackson,
who not that Mark Jock, not the point guard. Yea,
I played that Roman Catholic in Philly. Played with and
against a lot of people Coatino Mobley, Alvin Williams, played
against the she Wallace. Okay, those are those are people
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that you know. I grew up with when I was
in New York before I left New York stat Farm, Malberry,
Philippe Lopez, Reggie Freeman. My sophomore year when I was
at our say Lutheran, I played with Caboo Stewart who
played for the Philadelphia seventy six ers. So I mean
I've played with and against a lot of people that
played in the league. Was your best moment playing in
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and what was? Did you ever get embarrassed that? But
you're proud to say you were embarrassed by somebody? So
my best moment, I would say one of my best
moment was actually in sunny Hill practice, because um my
sunny Hill League team, we had Alvin Williams who played
a vine over played for the Toronto Raptors and Alvin
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people don't realize probably had I would say Alvin Williams
had one of the ten best crossovers in NBA history,
and people don't he doesn't get credit for it. So,
you know, when we're in high school, everybody said, yo,
don't press up on album because he's just gonna cross
you know, he's six five and he was long or whatever.
So one day I played for John Hartnett, who was
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legendary coach, a whole bunch of pros rest in piece
of John. But we were scrimmaging and on one possession,
Alvin came down and he hit me with one of
his crossovers like left the right. I basically did the
Jordan pool like I touched Earth and and you know
it was it was bad enough, like they stopped practice.
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So so I was just like, you know, I mean,
I was just like, effic like, I'm gonna go and
get him back. So the next time I came up
the floor, I called the play and album was pressing
up on me, and I crossed them back over and
he stumbled and he almost fell touched earth, and everybody
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was like, oh, the funny thing about that was I
went from like getting no playing time up to that
point to get my twenty minutes a game just because.
So that was probably one of my best moments. I
love that you got the up and the down all
in one very clean Yeah, it was like up and down,
like two possessions. But yeah it was fun. All right.
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So we're coming to the end of the So this
is where we like to talk about some of the
funniest things we've seen this week. Last week we already
gave a shout out to the dude falling asleep front
row at the Sixers game, but we gotta follow the
saga between the NBA refs, Jack Harlow the NBA reft
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bringing big Dad energy. Um, Miles, do you have the clip?
Do you want to? You want to just like tell
us what is happening in this clip? I mean yeah,
so we I think last week we covered I believe
it Scott Foster and Ed malloy who were confounded by
the presence of Jack Harlow. They said it was Jack Harlow. Uh,
and you know that he's that guy over there? Yeah,
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but who is he? What did you'all think of his album? No,
I don't listen to Jack Harlo. I mean, I'm the
Scott Foster of this podcast. That's what we were saying,
we're like, wow, man, were washed because look at us.
We were quoting uh the Woo Tang Double album lyrics
a second ago from nineties seven or ninety six, and
now we're like Jack har Look, I mean, I've heard
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of a few of his things. I know he's he's
nice with it. Well, I wanted to skip summer school
that year, so I just got the Woo Tang Double
LP and that was all the education that I needed.
But yeah, that moment, I think, you know it was
it was very hilarious, and I think for him, he
used that to troll a bit. But you know, the
refs clapped back in epic fashion where they were just saying,
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you know, actually, we do know who Jack Harlow is.
Where's Jack Carlo's the guy over here right here? Oh
so now we got them walking into a dabbing people
hotel lobby. I didn't get why he gives that one
guy the cold shoulder. That's the other ref. He's like,
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hey man, And so now they're all on the ref
in the car back Jack dance like and I'm not okay,
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Scott Foster does it okay? Job too, Like he he's
I knows the words that was pretty good. That was fire, Yeah,
because he had a little flavor. I'm not gonna lie.
Jack's album is pretty good. I mean based off that,
I was like, no, it's that there's like fourteen songs
of that. Oh say less. I think I'm too focused
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on Kendrick's album coming out this week that I was like, Okay, yes, yes, listen,
there's gonna be a time for Kendrick. All right, Friday
is gonna come. You know what I'm saying that Carlo
like think of mac Miller. Okay, let me not go
that far because if people on social media here that
I said Jack Carlo mac Miller, they're gonna care. I'm
not saying that Jack Carlow was as good as mac
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Miller because he's not. Mac Miller was more talented. But
it's the same type of stous you know, the same
type of hip hop. I'm here for it. I'm here
for it, and I'm here for refs, you know, to
say I'm not a fashioned niece. I'm like, ok, really
nailing that delivery. But I'm flying though. Man, I'm curious
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what they're listening to in the locker room before the games.
Probably not. Yeah, like John Tesh. Probably just the John
Tesh basketball theme, like over and over again. That's what
gets me pumped. Man tes roundball, rock around. That's right,
that's but yeah, I long made this. Uh, I don't
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know meme last I'm I'm curious. Yeah, we'll see if
there's an escalation or not, if if there's a response,
But I don't know. It's always nice to see a
sense of humor from from everybody involved. I can't imagine
that this is crossing Jack Harlow's radar at all. I'm
sure it is all right maybe, but like if he
comes back and it's like, you know, claps back, it's
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got Foster, it's like a drake push a feud. Oh wow, right,
but I think it would be hilarious on the next track,
it's like Jack Harlow featuring Scott Foster and Ed Malloyd,
like just a feature with those full names. I would like, Oh,
you know he's gonna play that clip. Who's Jack Harlow.
I have no idea right there that's gonna be that
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that little sound clip is going to be how you
open a show. Yeah, exactly, Well, Tony, such a pleasure
having you. Thank you so much for joining us man.
Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.
Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? Well,
you can find me on T Jones on the n
b A, on Instagram, T John's Athletic and nobody uses
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Facebook anymore? True Miles, where can people find you? Find me?
At Miles of Gray? Wherever you have at symbols? Jack?
Where can they find you? Jack Underscore O'Brien only on
Twitter and on the Daily Sight guys, yep, Monday through Friday. Yeah, yeah,
you can find me waiting two hours and then checking
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the sixer score? Uh to see you? How long this
season is gonna lack? Alright, y'all, we'll catch you next time.
Thanks for checking in with Mad Boosties. I'm sure we'll
have plenty more to talk about next week. All right,
take care your so bye bye
Welcome back, Welcome back. You know what we're doing this week?
The playoffs continue, so there's plenty to talk about this episode,
and oh the Jah James Harden and the Revs coming
back with just big dad energy, making a really interesting
music video. And also we're just gonna talk all the
things making us continue to be in love with the
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NBA with our guest, jazz beat writer for the Athletic,
Tony Jones. I'm Miles Gray and I'm Jack O'Brien and
this is my and Jack Got Mad boo boost imperfect
synchronization boom. Welcome back, y'all to another edition of Miles
(00:42):
and Jack Got Mad boost Ease. Today's realized how much
sixty minutes energy our intro has, where you're like, I'm
Miles Gray and I love Jack and I'm Morley Safer
and this is mad boost these But yes, let's introduce
our guests. We are thrilled to beat wined by Utah.
You has beat writer for the Athletic, Mr Tony Jones.
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Welcome Tony, How are you guys? Thanks for having me.
I'm really excited to have you. Where are you coming
to us from? Are we talking around from? From? Not
just like right now currently your living room. I'm at
home in my living room. I just eight and you're
in Utah and I'm in Utah, okay. And then where
are you from from? I'm from New York, Okay. I've
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heard of that place, Nicks fan. I am a huge
hard next died hard. What do you mean by that?
There was a there was a certain to that. I
really like, what do you what does that mean to you?
I mean, it just it's just it's just disappointment. You know,
from when h john Starts went two for eighteen in
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games first this man sling us in five and nine
and you know my guys Stephan Marlburry coming back to
York and that ended up well to to us finally
being competent again with Jason Kidd and Carmelo Anthony and
Amri Stott ameyer to the last decade of just futility.
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What's the Knicks memory that you hold near and dear
to your heart? The next memory that I hold near
and dear in my heart? Um, you know obviously Larry
Johnson's four point of play. M like young Mark Jackson.
This is when I was a kid like young Mark Jackson.
You know, a fresh out of St. John's. He was
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shout out to Bishop Locklin because he went to Bishop
Blocklan and I grew up like five blocks away from
Bishop Blocklin, And you know, just all of my good
memories are from the nineties. But the ambiance of being
in the garden and going to basketball games, you can't
be every year, I say, you know, like my Mets.
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You know, I say the same thing. This is the year,
this is the year. Hey, you might have something with
the Mets this year. My house, too bad not too
is the best player in Major League Baseball. But we're
here to talk basketball, Tony, and to redirect this to
becoming a full on Mets podcast because I'm excited to
uh gotta talk about you know, just the last week
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or so has been fantastic, filled with wonderful, wonderful moments. Jack.
I know you're feeling a song for John Morant in
your heart yet again. Yeah, I'm holding a torch carrying
it around my house. Real quick. I have to tell
Mark Jackson story. So, my dad, Tony is a is
a basketball coach or he's retired now, but he was
an assistant with the Knicks when they drafted Mark Jackson
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Jim O'Brien. Yeah, so he was an assistant or Patino
there he Uh, they draft Mark Jackson. I'm like six
or seven. He's my favorite player. And I wrote a
biography of him and brought it to him and watched
him read it. And I hadn't done any research on
so so the story was all about how everyone told
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him he was too small to play basketball just because
he looked small next to like all the other players.
And he was very kind. Uh, he didn't throw it away,
he signed it, and uh, great guy, amazing like early
Mark Jackson. He was a Rookie of the Year even
though he wasn't like, you know, one of the one
of the top picks that year. But that was that
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was a fun team. Those were fun days in New York. Yeah,
those are days, right, you know. You know Mark Jackson
and Ros Strickland both one year apart. You know, they
were kind of like a dynamic duo at the point
guard spot. Yeah, I mean, yeah, the nineties were fun.
You know, we had all the sixty seven sixty five
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basketball games that we can handle on those days. Right. Also,
Rod Strickland one of my favorite references ever in a
rap song sickening guarantee made him jump Like Rod I
was like, because it's like nice and obscure, you know,
it's like a little and it's like, isn't it the
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last rhyme that rout it out? Yeah? We are from
New York. He was a bucket getter. Uh yeah, yeah, alright, well,
speaking of bucket getters, I gotta talk jab you know
that we while we're recording this, there's just a report
that he might be out for the remainder of the series.
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We'll see how the series plays out. It might be
over by the time people listen to this. But we
recorded our last episode right before he dropped forty seven,
including the final fifth team for the Grizzlies. You know,
became the first player to score forty five plus and
multiple playoff games before the age of twenty three. But
like there's this one play uh you know, I think
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Golden States job brings it up. He twist the defender
up so bad that he just sits down and is
turned around like backwards and then just sits down as
Joh just you know puts it in over everybody with
just perfect touch switch. Now he's got two under two
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minutes to go, you know what the way, It's like
he was trying to move with Jah and then the
second job was like I might just pivot. It's like
Pool was completely gave up and it's like, all right,
I need to completely or reorient my body. Just to
find out that he was sold a faulty pitch where
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he was like, wait, where do you go? He's like, sorry,
it's this is this is what I'm doing right now.
I think the best part about that move was Jordan
was completely beaten and joh still gave him another move
after that. R That's what it was like, Okay, my
knees just collapsed. I touched Earth. And I think it's
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a proposed because Jordan Pool been doing at the defenders
all year, right, somebody got him back. So like the
fourth quarter when Jah took over was I don't know again.
I keep referencing the Lebron series against the Pistons, that
game where he just took over and could get to
the rim anytime he wanted, and nobody thought that the
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Calves were gonna beat the Pistons, and just all of
a sudden it was like, oh, they have no answer
for him. He is at the rim at will and
there's something that's how That's how it felt watching joh
just get into the lane and get easy shots like
you know, most most of them. By the time he
was done cooking his defenders, he had just wide open
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looks from like three ft out. And there's just something
weird about watching it, I think, because they make it
look so easy. The shots look easy, But what's really happening,
I think is everyone else is operating at a speed
that's like cent slower than him, and so it's like
what bullet time would have looked like if the camera
didn't slow down to how like Neo was perceiving time.
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It's just right, he's just moving and more locked in
by a significant enough margin that like he's just doing
whatever he wants with the ball. Yeah, there's a casual
nous of but I think the only time I experienced
that is when I play against children. Yeah, and you
play against children a lot, which is you know a
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lot of people question that decision by you. But like
I've always said, you got to try your sham God
on kids first before you can really take that to
the court. I can hit him with the sham God
really easy, and that's it helps me feel like a
fully formed adult, I guess, but it's true that that's
sort of that same feeling. Uh but yeah, it's I
hope that I hope he's okay. Though I hope he's okay.
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I think there's been a conversation happening. What level is
he had at least this season? You hear him compared
to like some very good, like m v P caliber people,
and then sometimes people like bring up, you know, is
he going to be top three, top five at some point?
This moment felt like one of those things that I'm
going to remember, like this playoffs in general, Like also
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that incredible second half against the Wolves where he had
the best dunk of the season and then like that,
the momentum of that just like blew that game up
and suddenly you know, he was just scoring at will.
Like it. It did remind me of those playoff moments
that you've seen from Lebron and m J and like
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a couple others. But like it's it felt rarefied. It
felt like next level. Like I hope at least we're
in the jaw era now, you know, uh, you know,
I don't know if we're in a gy era, because
I mean Lucas in the same era. Yeah, and there
was a play. There's a play this week where Luca
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did the same thing, turned somebody around and then the
person sat down. I mean, I think it's safe to
say wearing a another golden there or point guards. I mean,
you know Luca, Jah, Trey Young, you know those guys
obviously at the forefront. You know, I think the best
example to use how much talent there is in the
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league is if you look at Luca and you look
at John, look at their secondary point guards. Look at
Jalen Brunson and entire Jones. Both of those guys are
starters in this league. Yeah, hyas Jones is coming off
the bench. Obviously, Jalen Brunson starts, but you know he
kind of starts on the wing. But you know, both
of those guys, I mean, these are guys that aren't
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day in, day out point guards, and yet they're gonna
go to different teams next year and they are going
to get paid. And I think that, as much as anything,
is a testament to how much talent there is at
the position right now. Yeah, I mean, I I've had
the same feeling that like this is the most talented
the position has been collectively like ever and I've been wondering,
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is it that people, you know, this is a generation
that like watch Steph for you know, so long, just
like kind of changing the game and breaking it open
by like you know, doing things differently. Is it just
that there is you know, more people playing basketball, and
there's more available like clips and you know, ways to
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learn the game, and so you know, just by sheer,
you know, population numbers people who are tall enough to
play point guard. There there's more of them, and so
you're just gonna have like I don't I don't know why.
You kind of are seeing in the NFL with wide
receivers too, that like this one position has just like
kind of suddenly kind of become just you want to
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draft a wide receiver now because like all of a sudden,
wide receivers are better than they used to be. Um
like significantly, I feel like we're kind of seeing a
similar thing with point guard. I don't know what. I
love to hear theories. I've always thought, you know, the
point guard is the most important position on the floor.
You gotta have dynamic pick and role players. You've gotta
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have guys that can touch the paint. With two feet
off the trouble. You gotta have guys that that can
bend the defense and you know, put defenses in tough spots.
And you know, you look at some of the best
point guards in the league. You look at Steph you
look at Job, look at Chris Paul, you look at
Trey Young, look at Luca. Obviously, you know those guys
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they've been your defense, and you have the game plan
for for those guys and when they do been your defense.
They're incredible shot makers, which is collectively something that that's
kind of jaw dropping in today's game, but they're also
really great playmakers for other people. You know, always key
on them. But yeah, I think to your point, like
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even what you're saying that the amount of information that's
available to somebody who's interested in playing basketball is at
a really different level than it used to be. Like
I saw better kids whooping than I did by going
to the gym and then whatever I could catch on TV.
There wasn't like YouTube clips I could then go to
try and like actually developed very specific parts in my game.
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I think that part is also the information amount of
information about I think something else too that's pretty underrated
all right, let's take a quick break and then Miles,
we're gonna find out what your clip of the week
was and then do a little playoff recap and we're back.
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Uh And you know, I just I wanted to to
get in some Philadelphia love just for a moment, because
I'm watching this, you know, this this postseason as a neutral,
but there is something I just love those dagger moments
in games when players can absolutely just take the momentum
away from the other team in one simple movement. And
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I have to talk about James Harden the fourth quarter
of that game, for uh. I, I've never watched something
that was so satisfying to me as a neutral in
a long time, mostly just because of those debilitating, demoralizing
step backs. There was like a maxi lob that was
sandwiched in between Harden threes that just every time it
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felt like there was a chance for just some kind
of momentum to go the other way, he was just
there immediately to snuff out the flame of of Miami.
And yeah, I'll just we'll play a little bit of
the sounds from that so you can get a bit
of an experience right now, Philadelphia, and he needs to
touch the ball on this possession, here comes Harden now
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thing right through the teeth in the defense. Stand corrected.
J are continuing to attack. Let that drama build here
in South Philly, Maxie three to shoot pardon from deep.
See those moments right Miami's it's one oh one to
one oh six. You're in the fourth quarter as a fan,
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You're thinking, Okay, if we can get a stop, maybe
we're in it. And then just casually, here comes this
bearded man to completely ruin your day. And I just like,
and I know, Jack, you were not you weren't you
were watching at the time, and I said, please watch
it because I always watched the Winds. I just watched
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him after the fact because otherwise that just takes too
much out of me. And I also just have to
give a shout out to my man who somehow during
all of that, found a moment to sleep through I
don't know, like this is in the third quarter, just
to sleep on the baseline. Absolutely found found a moment
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of respite, and I just I thought that was that
warmed my heart altogether. I was like, Yeah, this is
this Philadelphia Games giving me a lot of a lot
to enjoy. Yeah, they caught him in the background, Kyle
Larry's bringing the ball up and uh, you know you
just see him on the baseline catchten Z. It's it's
a real dad move. I've done it during Um you
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know I went. I took my kids to see Sonic too,
And you know that that was a nap. That's what
That's all. That was. That's all it was designed to be.
Now at a four point playoff game, where you're sitting
on the floor, I mean you might you must be
very tired, sir. He's working, he's he must have put
in a shift. I get being tired. Some places I've
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fallen it. The only sporting event I've ever fallen asleep
at is a baseball game. Energetically, that feels like the environment.
But there's something about how you can be on the floor,
like you're saying, in a playoff game through wearing like
six Ers gear. I'd imagine you were a fan and
you still you just had to sneak in that little
shut I But yeah, being on the floor in an
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NBA game is a life changing experience. It changed Like
I I was courtside once and I was like, oh,
this changes everything about like what I think that a
human body can do, just like seeing them that close,
seeing how fast and strong and big and like high
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they are actually jumping up close. Yeah, so maybe that's what.
Maybe he just like took in a couple of quick
breaths and like needed a feigning couch. He hardens. Resurgence
was too much by the end of that hardening kind of,
I mean, the game was over. My man obviously put
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in a grave guard shift the night before the third shifter.
It was just, you know, he's like, the game is over,
hard and put their lights out to too, wake me,
wake me wine. Game five starts, and it's funny. He
did an interview like right after and he's like, nah,
I just they caught me quite literally at the moment.
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I just caught in a couple of zase and I
woke right back up. But unfortunately, when you're you know,
on the baseline and the camera can't get you, it's
a great quality to have just be able to turn
it on and off. Right. Just got me at the
wrong time. I was just sleeping while he was bringing
the ball up the court. The second they got into
the teeth of the offense, I was I was going
to be back up they just you know, um, but
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that series is fun too too. As of this recording, uh,
one of the teams will be up three two and
looking to close out by the time you are listening
to this. Let's talk. We gotta talk the Celtics. You know,
last week we talked um Janice after what he did
to the Celtics in Game one. But the Celtics have
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come roaring back to tie it to too, And man,
Jayson Tatum is I don't know. His footwork is so
out of control, nice and like precise, and I don't
know some of his euro stepping. His footwork is one
of the first things I noticed about him. And also
when he's on it really feels tony. I talk a
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lot about like when Clay Thompson is locked in and
the ball is not not just going in, it's hitting
the like mathematical, like geometric center of the rim, like
every single time that he puts it up. I I
feel like Tatum gets in those zones too, where it's
kind of uncanny. Boston's leader seven tat, he's been great
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seven half. I think he's got a chance to be
the next American born player to be NBA m V
pow Yeah, you know, just the footwork and you know
the number of counters that he has combined with you
know his positional size, the ball handling ability. You know,
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he's always an attack mode. He's always going at you,
and the fact that he defends really well. Yeah, one
of the best perimeter defenders. Yeah, plays both sides of
the ball. So I think that the next have you
seen an American born player be named the NBA's MVP
has got a good chance to be Jackson Tatum. Yeah,
he made me sit down at one time. He put
someone in the spins like on my legs, stopped working.
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And then we also got to talk Luca right. I
think the last time we recorded that they were down
oh one. So he's got six d fifty five points
through twenty playoff games. That is third behind Will and Jordan's.
That's it. That's um interesting company. Yeah, they're interesting company. Um,
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those guys are good. Uh do you see the play
where he was on the ground and just threw a
perfect time like from from his butt on the court,
had an ocean, Luca drives the clothes out. It should
be a favorable matchup for Donchen. The defense by a
that went straight up comes right to lud the past
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from us bottles reminded me of Magic, and I believe
the Kurt Rambers or Ac Green Magic was on his backside. Me. Yeah, yeah,
that summed everything up for me, because everything he does
seem so relaxed, like he might as well be sitting
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down for a lot of the plays. As a playoff
performer right now, I'm not sure that there's a guy
that I'd rather have in a playoff game right now.
And look at Yeah, I mean it's hard to argue with,
especially on offense. I think he's that good. I think
that he's the best player since Lebron and Magic at
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dictating pace and making you play possession of possession at
his pace. You know, Magic obviously super fast, but Lebron
and Luca, you know, they slowed you down. And Lebron's
ability to slow a team down is the reason why
he was able to be successful against the Warriors in
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so that's Lucas Probably that's one of his best traits
is you know he grabbed the defensive rebound, who get
you up the floor and he's gonna slow you down
and you're gonna play at his face. At his number
of possessions, and you gotta get better possessions and his
number of possessions then he does. And that's extremely hard
to do. And right now, I just don't know that
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there's a guy, a single guy in the league that
I in a in a playoff scenario. But I'll take
over over Luca. Just looking at the West, who do
you like in that series? And do you see the
eventual finals contender and that series or do you think
who do you like? You like the Grizzlies, how do
you see that all playing out right now? Probably favorite
the Warriors slightly to come out of the West, but
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you know, Phoenix in Golden State would be a fascinating series,
and honestly, Dallas and Golden State would be a fascinating
series as well, just because I'm not sure, like, you know,
how many bodies can you throw at Luca if you're
the Warrior person. And I think the beauty of the
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Mavericks is, you know nobody talks about it is they have,
you know, a lot of wing defenders, you know, Dorian Phinney, Smith,
Reggie Bullock, Josh Green, you know, Frank Nickelina. They have
a lot of wing defenders that make shots so structurally
they're they're they're structured pretty pretty perfectly around Luca, and
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it's just really, you know, it's that they're hard to
beat in you know, I watched them up close with
you know, in the series with the Jazz. You know,
they were really hard to beat them, and they're proving
to be hard to beat right now. You know. I
think a lot of people talking about Boston being on
a territ towards the end of the season rightly so,
but I didn't realize Dallas has the second best record
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since January one. So Phoenix has the best record because
they just had the best record all year. They just
stayed winning the whole time. Dallas has the second best
record since since January first uh and then Boston, then
Memphis and then the Sixers. Um. So I don't know
that that that was instructive because watching some of these
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Sons Mavericks games, I was like, wait, are the Mavericks
like my pick to come out if they if they
beat the Suns, Like, would they be my pick? And
I'm like starting to like be open to that idea.
Even though I've been you know, kind of pulling for
the Warriors, I've been really interested in seeing like what
they do with this new nucleus, and they are really
fun when they get it going like they did in
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Game three. But I don't know, man, Dallas is tough.
Luca is very very hard to stop. Yeah, yeah, he's
He's extremely difficult to stop. And you know, they've got
they defend really well, and you know, when they go
five out, it's just really hard to to defend them
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because you know, they've got five shooters on the floor
at any given and the able defend out of that,
even though they're small, and they've been able to they've
proven to be able to rebound out of that, even
though they're small. Dallas is just a bear. They're they're
bare structurally, and you know, obviously Luca, you know, he
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telps the scales in a major way. And you know what,
and shout out to Jason Kidd, not only Jason Kidd,
but shot out the coast off his chief assistant. Those
two guys have main coaching their behinds off all year
and that's continued in some playoffs. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean
Jason Kidd used to torture me when I was a
Celtics fan and he was just putting them out of
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the playoffs every year. That was the first time I
saw somebody where I was like, oh, they are a
computer that always just puts the ball in the exact
right position every single time for like optimum and then
Lebron like has done that his entire career. But Jason
Kidd was the first time where watching someone do that
felt very helpless, like, oh man, I just can't stop
(25:58):
him from making the decision. Let's take a quick break
and then we'll be right back. And we're back. It's
time to ask our guests. Tony. Uh, you know, what
is the wildest thing you've ever seen on the basketball court?
(26:20):
To you? With whether you saw it as on TV
or just experience, but what is what is that moment
to you that kind of defines you just being like, Wow,
I don't want to hear the wildest thing that I've
seen on the basketball court because in the NBA game,
And that's just on the basketball part, Okay, alright, so me,
we're not talking about the wildest thing. Okay that that
(26:43):
would have ended up and uh yeah that that was
not good. Um, we're talking just the NBA game. While
this thing we've seen an NBA game probably uh, you know,
the chase down block in Yeah, that's got to be
one of the greatest players ever, right right, yeah, either
side of the court. Yeah, just incredible, Like wow, block
(27:13):
of the game that's we come up on the middle
of the half pro Lebron run as fast as that.
Ever since then? Has there anyone, I mean, the determination
what that block meant, I don't know. I don't know
if he has, you know, shout out j R. Smith
who made Um Andrea Goodalla change his shot exactly Without
that initial contest from j r. Um, Lebron gets dumped on.
(27:36):
Yeah right right were you were you kind of a
career long Lebron fan. Yeah, I've always been at so
some fact about me. I was born in Akron, Ohio. Okay,
you know, I was adopted. So that's why I grew
up in New York because the woman who would adopted me,
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my mother moved in New York and that's where I
grew up. But my siblings all grew up in Akron,
so niece's nephews. Point being, I was probably a Lebron
family just because of that, right, Yeah. Did you play
a lot growing up? Oh? Yeah, I got played. Who
are some of the people you you come up against
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UH during that time. My high school teammate was Mark Jackson,
who not that Mark Jock, not the point guard. Yea,
I played that Roman Catholic in Philly. Played with and
against a lot of people Coatino Mobley, Alvin Williams, played
against the she Wallace. Okay, those are those are people
(28:39):
that you know. I grew up with when I was
in New York before I left New York stat Farm, Malberry,
Philippe Lopez, Reggie Freeman. My sophomore year when I was
at our say Lutheran, I played with Caboo Stewart who
played for the Philadelphia seventy six ers. So I mean
I've played with and against a lot of people that
played in the league. Was your best moment playing in
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and what was? Did you ever get embarrassed that? But
you're proud to say you were embarrassed by somebody? So
my best moment, I would say one of my best
moment was actually in sunny Hill practice, because um my
sunny Hill League team, we had Alvin Williams who played
a vine over played for the Toronto Raptors and Alvin
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people don't realize probably had I would say Alvin Williams
had one of the ten best crossovers in NBA history,
and people don't he doesn't get credit for it. So,
you know, when we're in high school, everybody said, yo,
don't press up on album because he's just gonna cross
you know, he's six five and he was long or whatever.
So one day I played for John Hartnett, who was
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legendary coach, a whole bunch of pros rest in piece
of John. But we were scrimmaging and on one possession,
Alvin came down and he hit me with one of
his crossovers like left the right. I basically did the
Jordan pool like I touched Earth and and you know
it was it was bad enough, like they stopped practice.
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So so I was just like, you know, I mean,
I was just like, effic like, I'm gonna go and
get him back. So the next time I came up
the floor, I called the play and album was pressing
up on me, and I crossed them back over and
he stumbled and he almost fell touched earth, and everybody
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was like, oh, the funny thing about that was I
went from like getting no playing time up to that
point to get my twenty minutes a game just because.
So that was probably one of my best moments. I
love that you got the up and the down all
in one very clean Yeah, it was like up and down,
like two possessions. But yeah it was fun. All right.
(30:58):
So we're coming to the end of the So this
is where we like to talk about some of the
funniest things we've seen this week. Last week we already
gave a shout out to the dude falling asleep front
row at the Sixers game, but we gotta follow the
saga between the NBA refs, Jack Harlow the NBA reft
(31:18):
bringing big Dad energy. Um, Miles, do you have the clip?
Do you want to? You want to just like tell
us what is happening in this clip? I mean yeah,
so we I think last week we covered I believe
it Scott Foster and Ed malloy who were confounded by
the presence of Jack Harlow. They said it was Jack Harlow. Uh,
and you know that he's that guy over there? Yeah,
(31:40):
but who is he? What did you'all think of his album? No,
I don't listen to Jack Harlo. I mean, I'm the
Scott Foster of this podcast. That's what we were saying,
we're like, wow, man, were washed because look at us.
We were quoting uh the Woo Tang Double album lyrics
a second ago from nineties seven or ninety six, and
now we're like Jack har Look, I mean, I've heard
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of a few of his things. I know he's he's
nice with it. Well, I wanted to skip summer school
that year, so I just got the Woo Tang Double
LP and that was all the education that I needed.
But yeah, that moment, I think, you know it was
it was very hilarious, and I think for him, he
used that to troll a bit. But you know, the
refs clapped back in epic fashion where they were just saying,
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you know, actually, we do know who Jack Harlow is.
Where's Jack Carlo's the guy over here right here? Oh
so now we got them walking into a dabbing people
hotel lobby. I didn't get why he gives that one
guy the cold shoulder. That's the other ref. He's like,
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hey man, And so now they're all on the ref
in the car back Jack dance like and I'm not okay,
(33:05):
Scott Foster does it okay? Job too, Like he he's
I knows the words that was pretty good. That was fire, Yeah,
because he had a little flavor. I'm not gonna lie.
Jack's album is pretty good. I mean based off that,
I was like, no, it's that there's like fourteen songs
of that. Oh say less. I think I'm too focused
(33:28):
on Kendrick's album coming out this week that I was like, Okay, yes, yes, listen,
there's gonna be a time for Kendrick. All right, Friday
is gonna come. You know what I'm saying that Carlo
like think of mac Miller. Okay, let me not go
that far because if people on social media here that
I said Jack Carlo mac Miller, they're gonna care. I'm
not saying that Jack Carlow was as good as mac
(33:49):
Miller because he's not. Mac Miller was more talented. But
it's the same type of stous you know, the same
type of hip hop. I'm here for it. I'm here
for it, and I'm here for refs, you know, to
say I'm not a fashioned niece. I'm like, ok, really
nailing that delivery. But I'm flying though. Man, I'm curious
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what they're listening to in the locker room before the games.
Probably not. Yeah, like John Tesh. Probably just the John
Tesh basketball theme, like over and over again. That's what
gets me pumped. Man tes roundball, rock around. That's right,
that's but yeah, I long made this. Uh, I don't
(34:31):
know meme last I'm I'm curious. Yeah, we'll see if
there's an escalation or not, if if there's a response,
But I don't know. It's always nice to see a
sense of humor from from everybody involved. I can't imagine
that this is crossing Jack Harlow's radar at all. I'm
sure it is all right maybe, but like if he
comes back and it's like, you know, claps back, it's
(34:53):
got Foster, it's like a drake push a feud. Oh wow, right,
but I think it would be hilarious on the next track,
it's like Jack Harlow featuring Scott Foster and Ed Malloyd,
like just a feature with those full names. I would like, Oh,
you know he's gonna play that clip. Who's Jack Harlow.
I have no idea right there that's gonna be that
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that little sound clip is going to be how you
open a show. Yeah, exactly, Well, Tony, such a pleasure
having you. Thank you so much for joining us man.
Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.
Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? Well,
you can find me on T Jones on the n
b A, on Instagram, T John's Athletic and nobody uses
(35:37):
Facebook anymore? True Miles, where can people find you? Find me?
At Miles of Gray? Wherever you have at symbols? Jack?
Where can they find you? Jack Underscore O'Brien only on
Twitter and on the Daily Sight guys, yep, Monday through Friday. Yeah, yeah,
you can find me waiting two hours and then checking
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the sixer score? Uh to see you? How long this
season is gonna lack? Alright, y'all, we'll catch you next time.
Thanks for checking in with Mad Boosties. I'm sure we'll
have plenty more to talk about next week. All right,
take care your so bye bye
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