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In episode 565, Jack and Miles are joined by The Greatest podcast co-host CJ Toledano to discuss Coach Dave wanting to sue the NFL over the halftime show, surprises from the Iowa caucus, Trump's acquittal, the Pepsi universe, Oscar campaigning, and more!

FOOTNOTES:

1. Dave Daubenmire Is Looking to Sue the NFL for Putting His Eternal Salvation at Risk Via the Super Bowl Halftime Show
2. DNC chair calls for Iowa to recanvass caucus vote, says 'enough is enough'
3. Not Guilty: Split Senate acquits Trump of impeachment
4. You are more than likely familiar with Pepsi's batshit insane identity redesign document from 2008 — but did you know that the man responsible, Peter Arnell, also near single-handedly took out the Tropicana brand less than a year later with a redesign so bad it cost them $33MM?
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6. 5 LAUGHABLE QUOTES FROM 'VARIETY'S STUDIO-SPONSORED 'JOKER' ARTICLE
7. Netflix Spent Big on Oscar-Worthy Films. That May Not Be Enough.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, nineteen, Episode
five of jo Daily Night Guist, the production of I
Heart Radio. This is the podcast where we take a
deep dive into America's share consciousness and say, officially, off
the top, fuck the Koch Brothers and Puck Cocks News.
It's Friday, February seven. My name's Jack O'Brien, a k

(00:22):
oh O'Brien, O'Brien, O'Brien, the zight Geist O'Brian O'Brien. Yeah,
that is courtesy of Simone Henry oh tech uh and
I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,

(00:44):
Mr Miles. It's all it's all as gay drinks called
brew who every day And I think that was inspired
by the last was that the midday ZiT guys we
did thank you to Johnny Davis. Yeah, you know YouTube,

(01:05):
frik YouTube I would love to do. Yeah, I'm sure,
I'm sure the the zike Ang will make it happen. Miles. Yeah,
we're going on the road with our time machine and
our super producer Anajosne and some special guests. We're gonna
be in Brooklyn at the Bellhouse on February twelveth with
Daniel O'Brien Washington, d C. February thirteenth at the Miracle

(01:27):
Theater with Natalie McGill. Minneapolis, February at the Parkway Theater
with Posh Chicago February That Sleeping Village with Dan Band,
Kurt and we are going to be in Toronto the
Grand Finale February at the Great Hall, secret special guests.

(01:49):
I don't know, We're not We're not, We're panic booking. Yeah, well,
I guess if Drake, right, I mean Frank Ocean already bailed,
then we got Drake and yeah, and if not, unfortunately,
we may have to have Kanye right, So what a nightmare.

(02:10):
And it's gonna be church. Sorry. For tickets, go to
Daily Zis dot com. Go to the live appearances tab
by him. We're thrilled to be joined in our third
seat by the hilarious and talented co host of the
podcast The Greatest he Is. Mr c J Toldanno, how's
it going? Everybody's man, thank you for helping them. I

(02:32):
was aware. I was made aware that I'm part of
the family. Now you are? You are because you like
Lola Bunny. Yeah, that's right. I was in here talking
that talk. You know, I love Lola Bunny like Lola Bunny,
and oday we're thinking the same. Yeah. It's weird that
my type was that, but you know, I'm Asian. I
like anime. Uh what's good man? Not much. It's it's

(02:54):
been a wild few weeks, um, and every day has
its own story. Yeah. I don't know what that means,
but um just wrapped up in Yeah, NBA trade deadline
stuff is happening today, so I had I'm and like,
I gotta put that aside in my head for other
more important stuff. It seems like that's how my life
usually goes. But today is one of those days. Yeah,
yesterday we got some h we got the D'Angelo Russell trade,

(03:19):
uh to D'Angelo for Andrew Wiggins. Yeah yeah, um, which
I don't even know who got the best of that,
um Minnesota. Yeah. I mean it's like the Warriors are
getting back everyone in the next few months. So it's
not D'Angelo is amazing. I don't think it's he just wasn't. Yeah,
it's like they were they were going to have him

(03:39):
for this first half of the season to sort of,
you know, keep a minute, but they just lost it early.
So yeah, there's no use and they needed a good
point guard in Minnesota, and him and Karl Anthony towns
their homies, so that that'll be interesting. I'm interested to
see how that how that works out. You're rocking your Lazy,
your laker is, uh windbreaker, you're rocking your Osmosis Jones hat.

(04:05):
Uh it's yeah. Well, I like to say I dressed
like an undercover high school student who didn't get the
memo that like that ship came out in two thousand one,
Like my wardrobe has stayed the same, but um, yeah,
it's my way of connecting to the younger audience. See
I thought it was, but then they're like, what's Osmosis Jones? Yeah? Okay, Boomer,

(04:27):
Yeah exactly, Okay, Boomer. It's actually hip with like high
school sophomores right now. Uh, the lesser projects. Awesome. Well,
we're gonna get to know you a little bit better
in a moment. First, we're gonna talk about what's happening

(04:47):
on today's show. Uh. Coach Day has some things to
say about that Super Bowl halftime shows that has haunted
the memories haunted his penis many of I think I
think I think it was impactful yeah, but he is
his life is they you know, he speaks, he speaks

(05:08):
for us all miles. I'm gonna go out and say
he was the NFL put me at Rich. Yeah. I
mean that is like the ultimate compliment to a show
that was trying to be provocative that they're like that
should be illegal. J Lo and Shakira should be very
proud of what they have done. Uh to the middle

(05:30):
aged man. Uh consciousness. We're gonna talk about how Biden's
not freaking out. You're freaking out man. The d n
C is calling for a re canvassing. They might also
be freaking out. Man. We're gonna talk about how the
mainstream media coverage Trump's acquittal yesterday's newspapers. Uh, he yeah,

(05:53):
he got the victory. He was looking forward. He held
that ship up like a w W E belt right
like he was like they put it in like five
like I don't know what point font, like twenty five
point font on the cover of all the newspapers, like
it was in doubt, like I don't know it was.

(06:15):
He he got his own Dewey defeats Truman picture with
him holding up the cover of the USA today, and
it's a real bummer. We're gonna talk about the guy
responsible for that Pepsi my favorite marketing campaign of all time,
the Pepsi logo redesigned. Because he also had something to

(06:35):
do with Tropicana's carton redesign, which is something I remember
from grocery store shelves and it was a disaster. Uh,
Netflix's Oscar campaign. The Oscars are coming up this weekend.
We'll talk about all that more. But first, c J,
we like task our guests, what is something from your
search history that's revealing about who you are? Well? Literally

(06:58):
the last thing. And I hate to talk about basketball again,
but I just watched that It just premiered last night,
That All that Smoke Show. Do you know that? Uh,
Steven Jackson and Matt Barnes host a show. It's literally
the one I think interview show. Maybe this this other
podcast Knuckleheads, But like they sat Kadie down, and I
think Katie is a fascinating guy, UM and I I

(07:20):
think he's going against a lot of what the athlete
is supposed to be UM these days. And I think
Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes got a lot out of
him last night. And uh, yeah, that was the last
thing I searched for and launched last night. Oh it
to a TV show. Yeah. Well it was originally a
podcast where they would smoke um, which what they thought
was like the whole premise. But yeah, and then then

(07:45):
they have an athlete guest, usually one of like their
old NBA buddies, And now Showtime has picked it up
and they don't really you know, show them smoking um.
And I think those guys realized it's not what we
were tuning in for. The candid conversation so um, yeah,
that that's interesting. What are they smoking? Uh, you know, marijuana?

(08:06):
Oh wow, conversation? Yeah, I thought those cigars were shaped
a little funny. Yeah do they Does it still give
you the impression that they might be high? Um? No,
I mean I think that more so, I've found out
that every NBA player I've ever liked in the last
twenty years has been high at some point when I

(08:26):
was watching them. Yeah, it's like everyone's just laid back. Yeah,
what are you gonna do? I mean that's how we relax. Okay,
what is something you think is overraight? So streaming cable
services now, I don't want to step on any sponsors,
if any sponsors are alright, well like okay, but just
like I mean, it's like been a complaint of the

(08:49):
last you know, a few years. Everyone you know slang
YouTube TV, any of those. Uh no, just checking no
direct TV now, my heart radio TV A um. But yeah,

(09:10):
I just I've changed, I've I've subscribed and unsubscribed so
many goddamn times. My wife is mad at me because
I said I wanted to just get regular cable and
it's caused riffs in our home life. And I just
don't know, Like I guess the the overrated is the cutting,
the cord um trend. It's it's just bad because there's

(09:32):
no like you end up back where you start. Yes,
it's funny, I've so look, I will talk that ship
about direct TV Now, which is now a T and
T and TV now. What a fucking rip off on
the still, they're punching in the throat constantly. Every I
feel like every month they're like, oh, hey man, we're
gonna squeeze you for another five, you for another ten. Wait,

(09:54):
I don't know where to go. You know, their streaming
service at like ups the presce. Y know. I got
in on direct tv Now when they were promoting it
like two years ago, and they're like, please please come through.
It's thirty bucks a month and you get like over
a hundred channels. Tell me why I'm at sixty bucks
a month now? Because what happens is and you know

(10:14):
those privacy agreement emails that you get, don't open. They
like hide it in like the eighteenth line, like sitting
in charging extra ten bucks because we see you're enjoying it.
So that's interesting. Because we have such low expectations from
a direct TV we know they will just like change
what you're paying, like on a month to month basis
like streaming. If like Netflix tried that ship, that would

(10:35):
be like front Page News, everybody would be freaking the
funk out. But because they're like associated with direct TV
as a streaming platform, we're just like, yeah, that's what
direct I don't know. Everybody told me. You know, look,
if y'all got a plex logging, hit me up. Let
me get in on your plex server. Let me figure
out like what I guess I could use YouTube TV.
People have recommended a lot of things, but and then

(10:58):
I got Spectrum. They're calling me up to hey man,
you want to try our thing? No, bro, because I
can't watch that anywhere. I have to be on my
home WiFi network. Get the funk out of here. I
need to watch Fiance in a bathroom if I have
to plex And then all the cable channels have their
own like their own app on the Apple TV. I
don't know, I still know it can becomes confusing. You know,

(11:18):
what would be dope is if each like you could
just put in a number on your TV and it
would take you to a streaming provider that was already
playing the ship that that streaming provider provides WHOA That
would be dope. Alright, well, so don't do that and
then they will Yeah, the channel I want there to
be music, television. Stealing is is is the best. Yeah,

(11:41):
stealing has always just stayed strong, consistent. You steal, you
want something and you go and steal it. You have it, boom.
You can't beat that the American way, And don't tell
me otherwise with everything I've seen, just have some cable
wires coming in through your window. Yeah, like in the wire.
But I think also the too, because you know, Netflix
is investing so much money to figure out how to

(12:03):
do away with US criminals, people squatting on like, you know,
sharing the fucking logging information like it is the last
couple of hits of a blood. You just take a
little bit like don't don't let them know. But when
they figure that out, they know, like that's gonna triple
their business because they're gonna be like, ha ha, we know,
we know who you are now and this is not
Karen's Netflix account. Is there going to be a point

(12:25):
where Netflix realizes because that seems like a remarkably responsible
thing for Netflix to be doing, like for them to
actually be investing in trying to make their product more
like have a more market share. But I feel like usually,
well we'll talk about it later, but the way they
spend money normally is pretty that cover art business. That's

(12:47):
what Netflix. What is something you think is underrated? Um? Now,
this is very food. It's all food. It's uh. I
had funnyans air fryers and caulflower pizza. Those foods right
now that I'm like shouting to the heaven everyone knows
funny is that's it has again? It has that stoner
it's just like to associated with stoner culture, and man

(13:10):
I enjoy that as a sober three year old. Yeah,
it's just like needs a mid midday snack. That's my
pre church meal, right Body of Christ. Yeah, and I
brought my own that's great Father. I brought my own
Charis today. Uh. And let me just let me take

(13:31):
a swing off this steal reserve to just bring it
up there as the blessings happening. I would love if
the priest did. He had his own things like and
this one's for me, special treat for daddy. Oh, the
priest does do that at Catholic masses. He just like
cleans out and then backwash. My favorite part when I

(13:52):
have some dirty Catholic masses I used to have to
go to because I went to Catholic high school. Uh,
the end where they have to polish off the communion
one and then you know they have that little the
handkerchief that to clean the cup the ship. Sometimes you
see the priests the ship was running down their mouth
because they were like they were you know, they're trying
to down to other people and they're like, oh, let

(14:12):
me dap my face, and that is gross. It is
to think about it now, that is gross. Is there
a new, more sanitized, sanitary way for people to drink
from the same cup? Yeah, everybody brings their own straw. Yeah, yeah,
but are is it still I have not. I don't
know if that is a personal right. I don't know

(14:36):
if that's like a personal style like some priests like
do kill it, where other priests right out the blood. Yeah,
you can't throw out the sacrament. But then after that,
it's like if we even got rid of that, then
we're all shaking each other's hands. Yeah. You also like, yeah,
don't go to church Catholic? Are they doing it every time?

(14:57):
Does everybody go up to drink every time? I think
it's a I have to, Yeah, but they offer that
the bread is mandatory. Yeah right right? Wine? Yeah me
body not blood? Right? And I wonder what kind of
body the blood has. We're sipping it like a wine. Yeah,
it's got tannins, it's got it's the carb. Yeah. I

(15:19):
wonder if anybody has ever been like what kind of red?
This is? What kind of I think Christ would have
wanted me to drink this? You go to the priest
with some notes, I'm like, yo, it seems like you
guys are going with a Peanot noir. And I mean
that's fine. That sounds like yeah, exactly, all right, and

(15:41):
air friar is what. I don't know that. It's just yeah,
I mean, honestly, if not soon, um, it's just a
deep frior but it's all air. And I don't get
the technology. But it's for like five year olds who
like will burn down the kitchen. And I got it.
We got it for our wedding and I've just been
putting ship in there. What's been the thing that you've

(16:04):
been like, hold the funk up? Why haven't I been
doing this? Well? I see I have issues with putting cheese,
melting cheese and ovens and fryers because yeah, just it
gets everywhere and it catches on fire. And this thing
is like it's almost presented the challenge, how will you
catch this thing on fire? You know what I mean?
And it's fast and it's good, and they say it's

(16:24):
a little bit healthy, and I'm just like, because you're
not submerging it in hot oil, right, No, it's just
hot air. Wait. I probably could look it up there. Wait,
so you put a food in the air fryer. You
don't put any oil and nothing. You just have to
clean it every like, yeah, that is cook that's wild.

(16:46):
It's really crazy. In the technology. There is a tiny
amount of oil, okay. Is that it brings itself? They
say it's essentially amped up countertop convection oven, okay, And
so that's it facilitates faster cook because it's smaller and
there's a heating mechanism and a fan and then the
hot I don't think you have to add it. I
guess just from whatever is in there. Got it either

(17:09):
white food itself. So it's like I guess in this
article there like it's like it only requires a tiny
amount of oil. But I don't know if it requires
it or maybe you just have like an oil tank
you gotta fill up for your What's something you've made
in the air fry? That's good. I make sweet potato
home fries, which has been a great substitute for just
regular fries, which is another issue for me. I've been

(17:29):
making again motz RelA sticks have been making. We had
a Super Bowl party, so I put I was cooking
for like people pizza rolls and just like handing them out.
I was making it rain pizza rolls and I was
the king of the party. Are you Filipino? Have you
made lumpia in there? No? But that would kill it
in there it would I was thinking, I'm like, because
I love the grease aspect of Lumpia. But what's Yeah,

(17:53):
it's like a kind of like an egg roll, like
a little but delicious. And finally, what is the myth?
What something people think it is true? You know, to
be um, this might be a little too business insidary,
but talk show submission packets, talk show submissions, just writing packets.
I feel like no one's reading those. No one's going
through a pile and going this writer has a good perspective,

(18:16):
Like no, I stumbled upon this person on Twitter, or
oh this person is a friend of mine, went to college,
or they have you know, went to or the person
I wanted to hire couldn't do it and they said
no the home he is probably really good to one.
So explain to people who who aren't really savvy about
how getting in a room works, if to be a
writer for the packet process works. First of all, generally

(18:37):
the business is a myth. Uh. But yeah, So essentially,
like people were like, oh, they're reading packets and the
thing is like, no, they have five people on their head,
um that they they know they want to hire, but
they put out these packets submissions where they go, you know, right,
ten monologue jokes, right, like three desk pieces, right, a sketch, um,
and we're gonna pick the best one and hire that person.

(19:00):
And it's not it's gone, well, all the white executive
producers like, okay, we need a woman of color, a
gig person, and maybe a black guy. Like that's usually
who knows those people, and that's what they do, and
then they go to everybody in the room and be like,
you know, anybody good for this? We don't want to
hire another white guy, right. So I just feel like
the application process is a little jankie and has been

(19:21):
janking continues to be. Well, it's just I think, yeah,
because it's not a meritocracy at the end of the day.
It's purely based on your personal connections and who you
know or and sometimes people are able to find success
completely on their own. But like at a certain point
you really do see like, damn man, some people just
have an advantage because they just their paths crossed with
so many people. Yeah, um, and you are a writer,

(19:44):
but yeah, I guess I don't know. I was. I
was for a few years. I was doing those packets.
I wrote for Foulon and then um, and then I
stumbled upon these basketball jobs and sports and creative and
um yeah, and then just like that, that's more fun
and more consistent. How did you get the Fallon job?
You guys want to school together. This is a crazy story.

(20:07):
I went they were in town, The Fallon production team
was in town for a Paiey Center event, and I
Michael Schumacher, the old SNL producer and show runner of
Late Night with Fallon at that time, was there and
I just went up and I was like, hey, I
have a packet, um, and he and I'm gonna watch you.
He's like, I'm not gonna read that. We're going to
dinner and um. And then I was like, okay, well,

(20:29):
can I just send an email to somebody. He's like, no,
you can't do that. And then so and then I
Facebook message this is two thousand even, this is not
working anymore. Facebook message done and he responded back at
like one am, kind of drunk, I feel like because
it was like a lot of grammatical errors and typos,
and he was like, you know, whenever we come here
and talk about the show, I tear up, even though

(20:51):
it's only been on for two years. Um, and he goes,
here's my here's my assistance email address. Get a waiver,
um to send in like submission stuff right, so that
you need a waiver so that they can't be so
you can't like sue them for stealing stealing a joke
or whatever. And then I sent something in and then
I got an interview three weeks later, and I got

(21:11):
the job. There you go, Um, but yeah, so I
mean it's like I guess I had a packet, but
I had to like kidnap a person to read it, yea,
and catch them at the right time where they're vulnerable
and drunk enough. Why was he crying? Yeah, he was
just like I don't know. So he cheers up because
of like sh they were showing like the Sizzles in

(21:31):
front of like these audiences at the Pailey Center. Um,
what the fun? You know? I just one. I am.
We've all keep been there. You know. We have like
drunk text or emails and drunk replies happy about a show,
which is very admirable. Yeah, alright stuff, you know. Yeah,
I turned the lights off. I listened to Where Are
You Now? By Justin Bieber Looks and Diplo, and I
start tearing up. It's a great one. All right, let's

(21:54):
talk about some things that we've been crying about lately,
specifically the Super Bowl. Left Yeah coach Dave. Coach coach
Dave dobbin Meyer. I found out about him through the
homie Jared Hole shout out right wing Watch go to
right wing watch dot org because they always I'm always
looking to see who they're looking after, Like they look

(22:15):
at very problematic, dark personalities on the right wing media
spectrum and just from me, like we're telling you what's
going on right now. This guy dcor or coach Dave.
He is like his whole thing. His show is like
him and with a green screen where it has like
a stadium behind him. He wears a baseball hat with
a fucking cross on it, and he's always saying shit

(22:36):
about like I'm telling you, this is one of the
like lower thirds. In one of his videos, says, male
butt sex homo sexuality is not convenient. I don't know
what the convenient. That's his NSA ship, like yo, Christians
are choosing be ignorant, you know, because vaccines could be
making people gay. He just has like the worst takes
into some just weird far right conspiracy ship, but always

(22:59):
about the he's the religious right though, you know what
I mean, saying that maybe we do need to restigmatize homosexuality.
That's his vibe. And because vaccines are making people, there's
that obviously there's a public health concern. So coach Dave,
now he is he is up in arms because for
those I'm sure at this point most listeners, most of
us are familiar with the super Bowl halftime show with

(23:21):
Shakira j Lo. You are about to feel the power
of Shakira and j Lo in this man's voice. Yeah,
you can see the effect that it had on this
conservative man who just wants to preserve traditional values. This
is his first This is the beginning. Like there's a
few evolutions to his video about the super Bowl halftime show,
this is his first part. He starts the video just

(23:43):
gob smacked about the whole thing. Were there any warnings
before that super Bowl halftime show? Would that would that
halftime show? Would that have been rated? Pg? Mhm? Were
there any warnings? But you're twelve year old young son

(24:04):
whose hormones are just getting ready, just starting to operate.
Any warning that he what he's going to see? Mike
calls him to get sexually excited. Yeah, it's a TV
four team, by the way, literally said TV fourteen. I
noticed that. I was like, oh, maybe this is gonna
be spicy the halftime show. Right before it started, you

(24:26):
got the pepsi like halftime show, and then it just
like and then you start TV fourteen. No, like like
I think three to one year olds are too like
oblivious to what was going on. You can get too excited. Yeah,
they'll be like, should that elderly woman really be on
that pole? You can't. You can't swear so as you

(24:47):
can show stuff. His whole thing was basically be like
this was wrong, okay, because then started going to a
biblical analysis of like the what the flesh show on
display was, and he's like, you know what, the NFL
was putting me at risk with these kinds of things
that are making me feel all kinds of ways. And
he says, maybe I should sue the NFL. And then
he this is where it starts gaining some momentum. Could

(25:10):
I go into the courtroom and say, viewing what you
put on that screen put me in danger of hell fire?
Could the courts say Roger? Could the courts say that's
that doesn't apply here. That doesn't apply here because pornography,
the right to porn overrides your right to watch it. Yeah,
but you didn't tell me I was gonna watch it.

(25:31):
You just brought it into my living room. You didn't
tell me. You didn't tell me they were gonna be
crop shots. So you should know better. You should know better, goes.
It's j Low and whoever that was, you should't know
she's an expert in crop shots. You already know that. No,
I contect my eyes. I didn't know that about it.
And I'm sitting there and I'm watching it, this conversation

(25:54):
that he's having with himself. Yeah, I'm wondering what the
context didn't show the queno crotch shots hurt your eyes?
He called Shakira, whoever that was. You know, he probably
was getting of anyone. I mean the whole idea though, too,

(26:14):
of Like, really, what he's saying is, I was so
sexually aroused by that, and I've been I love that
part actually kind of love that he is admitting that
he got aroused. And he's not like it's wrong, it's wrong,
it's wrong. It's just like I got a boner man
and I gotta blame somebody, right, and I'm I'm looking
at health Fire. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to health for

(26:34):
having watched that target. It's kind of way. I mean, yeah,
good luck to him with that. Is he an actual coach?
I think he must have coached something, But like his
vibe is just basically to be like, hey, do you
have like young men who are impressionable and need a
toxic male to look up to or gets yelled at coaches?

(26:56):
Men away from health Fire exactly. And look when you
do that, and then you got these health Fire pop ups.
I mean, here, look the whole world's going sideways. My
equivalent of that is I googled Shakira married. That was
what I did to a football player ten years younger

(27:17):
than her, shout out to a queen making it, And
then is Jack O'Brien married? That I immediately deleted. I
was like, no, is going to see that through my
phone in the micro and she's searching is Shakira married?
All right, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be

(27:37):
right back, and we're back and all right, so what
is the latest that's happening in the Iowa caucuses? Because uh,
there were some surprises, some late late surprises. After after

(28:01):
the Democrats reported like seventy the Pete was had a
pretty comfortable lead on the delegates. He was up like,
you know, like two percentage two percentage points. Uh, it
seemed like that that's how it was going to end.
Pete wins the delegates, Bernie wins the popular votes. But
then uh, in a late surge because Bernie had done

(28:25):
something with remote locations or remote caucus is something like that.
Satellite satellite caucus is much cooler word for it. Uh,
he had run up the score a little bit on
the on the late count is basically what it's looking like.
So now they're basically in a virtual tie a couple
of percentage And yeah, it's a really odd the whole

(28:48):
thing from it being quite a simple process to work
out mathematically to their being all kinds of things, like
they had to correct some of the results that they
put out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was there was like
they said, there will be a minor correction to the
last batch of results and we will be pushing an
update momentarily. That was after they got to the point

(29:12):
retweaking to do what direction did the corrections go. It
depends on whose analysis you look at. I'm just trying to,
you know, like you have people from every party or
every campaign saying to giving their take on what's happening.
But it just seems like there were issues like with
Deval Patrick earning the support of a people in the

(29:32):
first alignment and then in the final but those numbers
belong to Bernie Sanders, so they're still there trying to
we're steering things away from Bernie Sanders. Well, And what's
funny too, is like even you know, I think a
lot of people everyone's pissed, probably except for Peta because
if you look at all the polling going into like

(29:53):
all these other primaries, he's not like leading the pack um.
But I think for other people like Elizabeth Warren and
Amy Klobascher, those people they're also like, like Elizabeth Warren's
campaign is also like what the funk is going on?
Like you're you're fucking me out of my chance to
like have my proper campaign messaging as well, it is
great because Pete knew he like didn't stand a chance

(30:14):
and everything has been fucked up, and he's like, oh, yeah,
this is awesome, Like he's yeah, it's like it's so
clearly incorrect all of this. Yeah, and it gives him like, look,
I get the whole point. I don't actually begrudge him
for taking the vagueness to spin that into a moral victory,
because look, that's that's a campaign at the end of
the day, like we're gonna do what you gotta do.
I mean, he did win on the delicate it's looking

(30:36):
like he still might win on the delegates, which is
what people have traditionally paid attention to. It's just like
or they're gonna end up with the same amount of
delics like tie. I think again, the other things that
I think even Hillary supporters will also you know, agree on,
is that there's also the popular vote argument, because I
think along the thing that the Sanders campaign is to say, yeah, however,

(30:56):
the delegates worked out, look at the popular votes, because
we're actually lead, we were ahead in those um. But
I think the real again, the true victim, besides all
the people who worked very hard to Caucus and all
those people working on those campaigns, you know, it's really
Joe Biden, Okay, because he he got a fucking wake
up call from him going out there saying like in

(31:17):
New Hampsh's like, look what happened in I was real
gut punch, Yeah, you know, and uh, I'm gonna keep
getting back up. Yeah, I'm like, bro, the last thing
after seeing somebody who's damn near eighty getting gut punched,
I do not I do not want to see them
coming back for more. Yeah. And also he really went
out there like he was an underdog from the start,

(31:40):
and like twenty four hours before he was the presumptive
favorite like everyone he Liket eight had him as like
I think it was like one, like two in five
chance of winning, so basically like at which was by
far the highest. Uh. And then now he has dropped
to one in five chance of winning and Sanders is

(32:01):
up at one and two. So it's a it's not
a thing where he's just like, you know, underdog little guy.
It's the thing where he was the behemoth, he was
the empire, and he squandered that well, and what his
game plan was just to show up. He was just like, look,
I say I'm running, They're all gonna come because they
think I'm Obama, and that's what that's my messaging basically,

(32:23):
And then now he's kind of freaking out because he's
he's sharpening his sort of pointed attacks at other people.
Like when he goes at Bernie, he's like, you know,
and he's labeled himself a democratic socialist, and you don't
think Trump's just gonna keep hammering that in. I mean,
that's like saying, so he's he's for his argument for
his own electability, saying if it's if it's Bernie, then

(32:45):
they're going to weaponize this idea of like socialism, communism.
And then he goes to mayor Pete. You know, Uh,
it's unbelievable. This guy has no experience outside of being
a mayor for a town of a hundred thousand people.
I mean, like the way he is talking at one
of these rallies in New Hampshire, you could see him
being like sort of like, what the guys, it's me

(33:06):
Joe Biden. You're gonna talk about these other people. I'm
I'm the one. If we're still talking about this electability thing,
I have the most name recognition, but it turns out
I don't have as much support as I thought. Yeah,
it seems like his I think people are reacting to
the fact that his whole like he he makes the
most sense as the mainstream media candidate because his message

(33:30):
is the mainstream media thing, Like what the mainstream media
covers is this is a horse race. Here's who's winning here,
who has the best shot, and he his whole messages
I have the best shot. Yeah, it's not. It has
nothing to do like, hey, my message will inspire people
and energize them. I'm gonna win. You think Trump's gonna
beat these other guys. And it's just like, I don't know,

(33:51):
it's it seems like it's uninspiring. It seems like it
ties into the same stuff that uh, you know, blindsided
the Democratic Nash Party uh in two thousands sixteen, and
that blindside of the mainstream media in two because they're like,
just show up, dude, to your bigger name, like that's
how the ship works. And now I think, but this
is the thing when you and then you look at

(34:12):
like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie there there, their messaging is
about like what they will functionally do as a president
to energize people to be like I can support that
vision rather than the guy who's like, hey, it's a
bunch of malarkey. D see, and I'm an old guy
and I've been there a while, so it's gonna be okay. Yeah, Um,
And I think that's what I'm sure the Biden campaign

(34:34):
is realizing now because they completely underestimated, like what what
a setting out a proper vision for what your presidency
would look like? Um, how that like affects your support? Yeah? Well,
so this has all been very kind of muddled, and
I mean it's clear that Bernie has kind of pulled
close to even with Pete as we're closing in on

(34:55):
a reporting uh, and now the DNC is calling for
re canvassing of Iowa, which means like essentially a recount
of Iowa. So like the only possible way to ensure
less momentum for the people who showed out in Iowa
Bernian Pete is to do a recount to make sure

(35:18):
there's no settling in on a final narrative. And that
that's what the d n C is calling for. And
it's starting to seem like that might actually be the
only way forward because people The New York Times is
reporting that they're uh, there's still like all sorts of issues.
More than a hundred precincts reported results that were internally

(35:39):
inconsistent that we're missing data or that we're not possible
under the complex rules of the Iowa caucuses. So it's
just still now that they've got a hundred percent of
the results counted or accounted for close to it's still
just a complete fucking mess and they have to do
it over again. What a fucking nightmare. As if the

(36:02):
Democrats can't look fucking dumb more, yeah, you know, yeah,
that was perfectly well, as if they can look more
dumb more. This like the whole thing under the gives
so much ammunition to even Trump too, but he's like,
look at these mothers. They can't even sort their own
ship out. And then it's also it's really frustrating for

(36:25):
people who are trying to participate in this primary, looking
at the leadership within the party and being like hold on,
like this, you fucked up with this app Now you're
trying to re canvas. There's all this mixed ship. It's
it's completely fucking up everything and it's all self created chaos.
It's not even like there's no even like, well, Russia

(36:46):
really got us this time, you know, this is just
like no, y'all are this this is this is just
fucking extreme. It's just like we've had four years ago.
All right, let's just no in fighting. We just gotta
get we gotta get someone liked it over Trump, and
from the get go we're just not doing immediately of Look,
you guys come to your own conclusions to fight knife

(37:07):
fight it out on camera. So let me just read
some of the inconsistencies they're seeing, because the New York
Times is saying that it doesn't indicate a bias in
favor of one. Some of the inconsistencies may prove innocuous,
and they do not indicate an intentional effort to compromise
or rig the result. For instance, there's no apparent bias

(37:27):
in favor of the leaders Pete Buddha, Judge or Bernie Sanders,
which is I don't know, like I'm not worried that
the d n C is going to uh intentionally skew
things in favor of Bernie Sanders, Like that's that's not
a thing that like I haven't made on my mind
that this is all intentional, like because obviously it makes

(37:48):
them look fucking stupid and incompetent to have like this
many funk ups, But it just seems like they are
the end result is somebody that they are not at
all confident with. We like their spiritual leader. Barack Obama
was quoted as saying, if Bernie starts pulling away with it,
so we're going to have to do something, which sounds

(38:10):
like very foreboding. Now I think he was talking more
about like him throwing his weight behind something, but like
it kind of goes to the the mindset of the
sort of establishment democrats, like when it comes to Sanders.
So I'm just it's concerning that as Sanders pulls even

(38:31):
with Buddha Jedge, now they're coming out and being like, well,
we gotta do a recount. And it's just like that
your messaging couldn't be more fucked. Like you're like you're
timing on all of this, Like are you like, are
you trying to get people in the Choppo subreddit to
like claim that you're part of a conspiracy? Like what
are you doing? Like it seems like they're messaging around

(38:55):
this was almost designed to uh instill the lee confidence
possible in everything and everything. It's really yeah, I don't know.
I mean I part of me late at night as
I smoke my blunts watching TV, I'm like, what's what's
really going on here, and then part of me wants
to pretend I'm still living in a functional system of governance.

(39:18):
But again, I think this is this is the thing
that's always sort of taken out, like the context is
missing when you look at the messaging of Bernie Sanders
and Elizabeth Warren. They're they're talking about like really trying
to restructure how money moves and how power moves within
this country. And I think they present I think, to

(39:39):
varying degrees different levels of disrupting the system or the
status quo. And I don't know if they're if and
this is that sort of fear of what those presidencies
look like like motivates this kind of weird ship or
not or that's operating on everyone's subconscious or on the
media's subconscious on some level. But I have I don't know,

(40:00):
like I like those two as candidates because they are
actually they're actually identifying and diagnosing the issues within the country,
Like not enough candidates, or at least the ones that
I get excited about. They need to be talking about.
Why are there two like realities for people in this country,
Like there's halves and have nots, and that's not how
it was you ask your fucking grandparents. They could have

(40:23):
supported a three child like nuclear family with a job
as a janitor in the fifties and sixties. Why isn't
that the case now? Why do I need nine jobs?
It's confusing, unsettling. Sorry, I'm distracted because it looks like
the Cleveland Cavaliers are going to get Draymond or Andre

(40:44):
Drummond for literally nothing. So that's back to kitchen table
issues exactly. I mean, we can talk about all that now,
but yeah, I I just feel like there's too many people.
I mean, this is kind of like when this was
happening to the Republicans in where it was somebody was

(41:06):
appealing to the part of the country that they don't
talk to. Like I think a lot of the mainstream
media was like, how are they going to stop him?
What are they going to do to stop him? And
I I was thinking that too. Yeah, I'm like, the
RNC is not gonna let this ship bank, right, Yeah.
I feel like the d n C is more willing
and capable of pulling some wild ship, uh too, because

(41:29):
they do you mean of just like, you know, get
finding ways to get in Sanders way. Oh, the d
n C the d n C. Oh, yeah, yeah, well,
I think the difference is right with with Trump as president,
even though he might not fit the definition of what
a Republican is, He's still gonna, you know, fucking hold
white supremacy down. He's still gonna hold the wealthiest one

(41:52):
percent down, still gonna hold Wild Wall Street down. So
they're like, fucking I mean, like maybe, I mean, if
this guy's doing well. Trump was becoming like a big uh,
like the presumptive nominee. He was behind the scenes meeting
with all the big donors. He was meeting with Sheldon
Adelson and the Koch brothers, and uh. There was like
some this guy that the New York Or did a

(42:14):
profile of, like this dude who's like one of the
biggest donors in Texas, who was a never Trumper, and
then the RNC like arranged to this big meeting with
him and Trump, and Trump was just like, hey, I'm
just a regular guy. I mean, I'm gonna help, I'm
gonna hook you up. There's gonna be huge tax cuts
and boom. He was a trump st No. And again
he doesn't Sanders isn't gonna do He doesn't disrupt the

(42:35):
like the the lifestyle, the people in power. Yeah, potentially
like you put you start putting wealth taxes on things
and wiping out college debt or these other there are
people were like, oh, that doesn't really work for me,
you know what I mean. So I think, you know,
there's much different forces that. Yeah. And the mainstream media, meanwhile,
seems to be kind of coming around to Trump and

(42:58):
a couple of like, I don't know, I was shocked
by the way the end of the impeachment was covered
as just acquittal on like the in the headlines of
the USA Today, the Washington Post just like Trump acquitted
exclamation point, like like spending newspaper in a movie. Right, Yeah,
And it's it's like the New York Times tried to

(43:20):
add some context about like how's uh, you know, split
along partisan lines, but it's it's still just completely removing
any context from the conversation. And it seems like that
is I don't know, it should then it disgraces itself
sets new dangerous precedent that a president can do whatever

(43:42):
the funk he wants if he thinks his re election
is in the interest of the country. Right, that's a lot. Look,
but it's the media they treat it like it's a movie.
Like they we're treating this like he's he's like a
bad guy in a movie, like a film. He's asked
he's a bad person who's ruining people's lives. I think
maybe this is their where both side seeing it right,
they're like, well, it's not it's a big moment, and

(44:06):
it is like they like to cover things. Is like
exactly like a movie, like high drama. It's like he's acquitted,
like big news and biggest turn, not just wait to
see what this dude does now, knowing that he's literally
we're in the who gonna check me boo phase of
this presidency because he was failed to be checked. And
I think that's really, to me, the most frightening post

(44:29):
acquittal thing that's going on. I don't I can only
imagine the fucking video he posted where his like presidency
went into the year fucking ten thousand, you know, where
it's like it was playing whatever just a there was
like a Time magazine cover that said Trump and then
it goes down that year ten thousand, Trump Forever. Another

(44:52):
one of these like memes that somebody made and he
reposted because he's like, yeah, that's a good idea. I
love that idea. I love it, and I'll be I'll
be able to stay alive un till he was in thousand. Fatastic.
There's advancements in medical technology, so you know, I think
this is just uh, it's like we were saying, even
off Mike, right, Like a lot of these media outlets,

(45:14):
they they live and die by their subscriptions and their advertisers,
and one of them comes out too far spicy. Unfortunately,
we're in a world where the truth it can be
too spicy sometimes that they're like, look, just let's just
play it down the middle and just say what happened
and not like warn people like what the potential dangers are,

(45:35):
or if we do, we'll have one person come in
get their opinion. It'll be one sixteenth of what the
actual material is, and then we'll keep it moving. Yeah.
People don't like clicking on reasonable headlines. Right, yeah, boom,
this thing happened, just happened. Surprised USA didn't say he

(45:55):
did that and we're close to that. Yeah, I mean
yeah once Jesus Christ, I mean yeah, I'm sure there
are plenty of publications who had to think in their
editorial rooms are like, do we not want to invite
the ire of like his supporters in our community. So
we go like teflon, don right, you know what I mean,

(46:15):
what's gonna take him down? Right? Um? All right, we're
gonna take another quick break. We'll be right back. And
we're back and Uh, there there's an aw tour in

(46:36):
the world of advertising whose work I didn't realize I
was such a fan of. I didn't realize these two
projects were linked. So there's this guy, Peter Arnell, who
was responsible for the Pepsi campaign. The pitch doc to
UH from an advertiser about the redesign of the Pepsi

(46:56):
logo to make it so that the wavy line does
not go down the middle of the circle, but it's
like off to the side a little bit. I just wanna,
I do wanna look at that? The he is ingenious,
you know, from taking it from the regular to just
kind of off to the side. My man's printer was weird.

(47:18):
So one of the pages I just want to read,
you guys, the header breathtaking. What is this? This this
is from the dock that they presented as they were like,
here's why you're paying US twenty million dollars and this
is why, and we just like tilted your logo to
the side. Uh so. Header of one of the pages,

(47:42):
breathtaking creation of identity colon the Pepsi universe on one
side says universe expansion. Okay, the universe expands exponentially with
and then they just like throw in a bunch of
like equation ship million miles per hour and then they

(48:02):
have like a globe thing X equals one light year.
On the right side, the Pepsi orbits and it's the
old logo. It's old logo dimensional dimensionizes exponentially, Pepsi planet,
old logo, Pepsi galaxy. Like twenty different Pepsi logos orbiting

(48:22):
around one another. I see what's going on here, jack expansion.
We're going now to a three dimensional plane. Yes, uh so.
On the left side, x equals one light year, x
equals two light years, x equals eight light years, and
it's just the same picture made bigger and bigger. But

(48:43):
on the right it's Pepsi planet, just the old logo,
Pepsi galaxy, the new logo orbiting around something Pepsi universe,
and it like they made it into an atom that
where all the like quirks and electrons and ship are
the new Pepsi logo? Goo uh and it is it's
just taking bullshit. If anyone is actually familiar with astrophysics,

(49:10):
maybe this does make sense. But but I'm just saying maybe,
like in where if you're just using the logo to
represent like electron motion or something like that, but what
does that actually But it means fuck alto why that
you change the logo. And also you're having to like
just make up what the what the original Pepsi logo
looks like on the side, that's that's all made up.

(49:34):
I mean, look, you know how these meetings go, right,
you know, like you get in there, you say something
smart enough and like trippy. They some people be like,
oh my god, it's trippy ship said by people who
don't have the mind for trippy ship. So they are
just like that's that has the sound of like something smart,
but they don't have the imagination to like hold the

(49:57):
idea of smart and like trippy and like sort of out.
It was like early Jaden Smith interviews when he would
just say some wild tribute ship, Like you just overheard
some adults say that this whole pitch deck is big
Jaden Smith energy like, yes, super nice food. I'm sure

(50:18):
I think now his intellect is catching up to him
as he gets older. I think he's going to be
our next next president, astro physicist, physicist president. Uh No,
but uh, I'm sure they were very nice when they
presented this deck because they got millions and millions of
dollars too. It was like early I think. Um. So

(50:41):
that is from a guy named Peter Arnell. Uh he's
also responsible. Uh well, First of all, Gawker did a
profile with him where they talked about the fifteen worst
bosses in New York City, and he is apparently up there.
The guy with the Galaxy brain. Galaxy Brain guy thought, yeah,

(51:04):
I'll just read some from the from that profile. Uh
he Uh. Once he freaked out in the meeting because
the CD did not work in the CD player, so
he took the CD out and smashed it into pieces
on the conference room table. The I T guy who
was standing behind him ended up going to the hospital
because the shards from the c D flew into his eye. Uh.

(51:27):
When you go to a meeting in his office, he
makes everyone wait at the door, then directs each person
where to sit by a hierarchy and whatever mood he's feeling,
which that that really resonates with the Pepsi pitch stock
because it's all about like his idea of like universal organism,
millennial vibes, like the as as the light years expand exponentially.

(51:52):
It's like, all right, what's the Pepsi redesign considered a failure?
Or is just like a laughing stock once people caught
a hold of this material, just a laughing stock once
people got hold of them, because I think most like, okay,
I'm not buying more you, yes, but anyways, another piece
of work that I hadn't realized was his so Tropicana

(52:15):
used to have a very recognizable carton and it was
they were the only like they were the first to
get to fresh squeezed orange juice. Really yeah, they did it,
by it's wild how they did it. They created these
giant vats. They look like big like things that you
would assume like gas is being held in like natural gas,

(52:37):
but it's actually giant vets of orange juice that have
all the oxygen sucked out, Like they can hold your
orange juice there for like years, because it doesn't like
oxyden doesn't oxidize. Nothing, nothing bad happens to it. The
only bad thing that happens to it is it stops
to it loses all its flavor. So what Tropicana had

(52:59):
to do was so you're still drinking fresh squeezed orange
juice or it's three years old, but it hasn't you know,
it hasn't been touched by oxygen. So it's fine. It
just lost all its flavor. But then they added this
thing that is like a flavoring. Uh, it's like the
essence of orange. It has nothing has nothing to do

(53:21):
with the taste. It's all scent based. So if you
can't if you can't smell your orange juice from Tropicana,
it won't taste like oranges. But if you don't have
your ability to breathe, though, that affects your your tasting abilities. No,
but like I have, like I know people whose sense
of smell doesn't work, like who had like some damage

(53:42):
or so you're saying if you got it, and that
that affects your ability to taste things, and like it's
all like all factory is like more uh tied to
like what you think thinks taste, Like what about the
new factory that's right. Um So anyways, Tropican had the
game locked just with this carton that was an orange

(54:06):
with a straw in its. Yeah, I remember, I remember
trying to drink an orange. Yes, they like that communicates
every fucking thing you need to know it. So this
dude comes in and changes the carton to be a

(54:28):
glass of orange juice. That's it, like just a big
glass of orange juice on the side wine glass. Yeah,
it looks like a wine glass, so it doesn't even
look like the orange juice that you were used to. Uh,
and the Tropican and logo going up the side. It.
I remember being like, did they get rid of Tropican orangees?
Happened the Tropican orange? And then like because he also

(54:51):
fused with a logo. Uh, they lost thirty three million
dollars in sales and immediately had to change the design back.
So they just went right back. Yeah. I think they
went pretty much back, close to being back to what
it used to be, or at least having like an
orange on it rather than like an obscure an obscure

(55:11):
glass of orange juice that could be any orange trip
like and it could be from contentra. Yeah, they just
went back. They literally just went back, give me the
orange with the straw in it. Yes, stop working around. Yes, um,
hey they tried it with that like minimal design. Yeah.
When I got you points at like art Center, right,
you know, I felt like that way was happening though

(55:32):
with like Unique Low and all these like minimalist type companies.
It just doesn't work for that, right, We're not looking
for like beautiful future forward eight x lightyear design from
our orange juice cartons. And also it wasn't even a
good design. I wonder what that deck looked like if

(55:54):
he was saying the pepsi thing was all about, you know,
atomic subparticles and ship like that, he was like, see
the future, people will not actually be drinking oranges with
a straw inserted into it, but they will be doing Yeah,
exactly they we will all be drinking our our orange
juice in the form of a mimosa. So it should
be a champagne flute. Yeah, that is what it evokes,

(56:15):
is mimosa. I wonder if coloring isn't even good. Yeah,
it doesn't look like orange. Well, I mean, I don't
know if the you know, we don't know exactly what
the colors are going through a screen I just want
to be fair to him from a color processing level.
This is a courtesy of Mono Synth on Twitter, So
shout out to them. Uh, let's talk about the Oscar campaign.
The Oscars are this weekend. Uh. We've talked before about

(56:39):
how studios launched these elaborate advertising campaigns and an attempt
to influence voters. I didn't realize how elaborate they got,
just how up their own assets they remember we even
talk remember masal Day in l a C. Yeah, for
to to promote marvelous Mrs Mazel, Amazon teamed up with

(57:00):
a bunch of businesses in l a and we're like,
offer people in nineteen sixty prices on everything. So it's
like you get a manicure, like a nickel, get a
hot dog for like ten cents or some ship. And
then at one point there was a gas station in
Santa Monica that was serving up gas for like pennies
on the dollar and it caused a full blown disruption,
and they're like, Okay, we shouldn't have done that, right,

(57:21):
But so this year's Oscar contenders, Joker paid for sponsored
content on Variety, which is an entire series of articles
highlighting the genius of Joker, Like you get thet because
it's an industry rag. Like you feel the thinking is,

(57:43):
we're gonna get directly to our audience by doing like
a four page spread that looks like it's in there,
but then the fine prince has advertisement on the bottom. Yeah,
I mean it's it's still fucked up, and also like
it's weird on. But I just think a Warner Brothers
backing is going to be a different than a parasite
backing the market. Yeah, I mean a clearly better movie.

(58:06):
Again bias, but you know it's gonna get isn't gonna
get as much advertising dollars, and like, hey, let's just
buy the magazine. I feel like that's where the troubles
in there. One one of the articles about Joker literally
opened with a quote by Gandhi God Gandhi once said,
the true measure of any society can be found in
how it treats its most vulnerable members. The filmmakers Joker

(58:29):
have created a piece of art that is startling in
both its cinematic alan and it's compassionate portrait of society's lussles.
Another referred to Joker as the Hangover. Director Todd Phillips
Magnum Opus multiple times did that. Uh. And then there's
also a because you love Movies campaign for Once upon

(58:53):
a Time in Hollywood. Uh, and just making it seem
like it's a movie about movies, which I guess all
Tarantino movies are essentially, but it's a circle jerk about filmmaking. Yeah.
Uh but Netflix really Uh. You know, they're new to
the game of trying to buy Oscar wins. Uh. So
they went they went in this year. Uh so instead

(59:17):
of just placing ads in industry magazines, they literally created
their own industry magazine just to highlight their content. There's
it's called q q U e U E. The cover
looks like Eddie Murphy saying, hold up, Netflix, this isn't
the best idea. I know you're paying me seven million dollars.

(59:37):
Is this the best move? Uh? Two separate podcasts from
uh former entertainment journalist Chris Tapeley and Krista Smith, who
now work as consultants for Netflix. Reach out to me
Netflix if you're looking for other entertainment consultants. Does even
have a like an article from Roxanne Gay in there? Yeah? No,

(59:58):
it's like they created all the magazine that I would
maybe look at. But on a single block of Sunset
Boulevard there are three looming billboards promoting the Irishman. In
quick succession, local TV stations have run thirty minute infommercials
featuring Robert de Niro and Marriage Story Scarlett Johnson. Just

(01:00:21):
before Primetime is a week long pop up museum at
the Four Seasons Hotel. Tell that memorialized Uh their top
awards contenders. Uh, they spent well over a hundred million
dollars just advertising these movies to the handful of people
who vote on the Academy Awards. Well, I mean it's

(01:00:42):
more than a handful, it's a couple hundred right, Well,
I guess the logic is like they'll spend you know,
five to twenty on a like normal studios might do
that for their marketing. So it kind of it seemingly
adds up that way. But I think their Netflix just
in a sort of different position in terms of how
they need a mo devate people to look at it too.

(01:01:02):
Like their thing is more being like, no, Netflix is
a thing, guys, more than like where people from the
actual students like, consider this film, We're gonna buy a
bunch of ad space the traditional way netflicks, like oh,
we're all so relevant, and it seems like, uh, for
all of that investment, they may only win two awards.

(01:01:22):
Uh that's kind of looking like on average, that's what
they're most likely to win. And The Irishman, which is
there's a in Los Angeles. There's a billboard for the
Irishman every every two blocks. Oh yeah, yeah, and like
not even good moments from the Irishman, just like the
time I'm confused what it is. I'm like, what then is? Yeah,

(01:01:45):
that's Irishman, Irishman? Yeah. And Marriage Story I see everywhere too,
Like I'm I'm watch I'm gonna look out the window
right now at a marriage story billboard. Literally he just
did there. But yeah, when they find out they went
to awards next year, will they continue to do this

(01:02:08):
or will they shave some of that money off just
to make more good movies. They're in a weird spot.
Just like that's what I actually give them some legitimacy
over this past year because I did enjoy most of those,
like Actual, Like I was finally convinced that actual movies
come out on Netflix with the Marriage Story, Like you know,
just keep finding those directors and convincing them throw them

(01:02:29):
the usual rates to make those movies and come out
on Netflix. Like that's the best campaign, right, And I
think they're just it's weird because they're kind of doing
the thing where you know, because last year, right, all
the a lot of filmmakers were being like, I don't
know if Netflix really should be in content. They're the streamer,
and like they're just getting around. I think Spielberg even
has something to say, like a lot of them this year, right, um,

(01:02:54):
And so because of that, like they're they want to
fit in with the regular crowd, but really they're position
to do the cool ship like make a Roma, you
know what I mean, like a Roma, make Roma um
and other films because you know Roma, right. I just
like when I you know, the u c L a
annual diversity study on film and Television came out, well

(01:03:15):
just the film Report came out just now, And when
you look at what's going on, you like you need
something like a Netflix or someone who isn't going to
use the traditional rules to determinable kind of content they make.
I mean, look, they make of all kinds of ship
because they're spending money out I don't even know where
they're creating money from. But like you look at just

(01:03:36):
for example, I think one of the more more damning things,
right and everyone talks about Oscar is so white. Yes,
they're like the report shows there's an uptick in women
of color, people of color women uh participating on camera
in UH directing roles and writing roles. But the real
ship you see is that at the higher level, the

(01:03:58):
people who work at the stud videos. That ship is
not changing of C level C suite positions at the
very top, the highest, the highest executives at the studio,
this is going from major to mid major studios are
white and are men. And then if you go down
a notch from C suite to just exact senior executives

(01:04:21):
are white and are men. Then't even go slightly down
more the ORG chart and you see that the film
unit heads percent white, but only mail. So we have
the real ship is coming at from those people who
are at the levels who are green lighting ship and
being like, let's develop this, let's not work with this person,
let's invest in this creator. These are like you know,

(01:04:43):
when you see all that and you couple that with,
you know, the kinds of films that we're putting out.
I do see like the tremendous value of a Netflix.
Who's just going to be like, you know, you know what,
Like maybe they have the metrics to understand that it
makes sense for them to make a movie like this,
but they're also sort of prioritizing good ship from time
to time, at least are some of the original series

(01:05:03):
they're coming out with. Yeah, no, for sure, I mean
for somebody to be metrics focused it, that's probably a
good thing because a lot of like basically all of
the sort of residual uh you know, white male centrism

(01:05:23):
of the entertainment industry actually is like it doesn't make sense.
It makes four worst movies and less successful movies because
they don't speak to half of your consuming public. And again,
even when you look at box office, like domestic ticket sales,
twenty and of those ticket sales for six of the

(01:05:46):
top ten films were from people of color in en
minorities bought fifty percent of the tickets of the top
nine out of ten films. So like, look, I mean
just off of that, you'd be like, okay, well, based
off of that presented in the movie, viewing a movie,

(01:06:07):
purchasing ticket purchasing audience, and they're wildly underrepresented and like
the people who are making the actual decisions on what
movies get made. It's literally a scene in Dolomane is
my Name where they go and watch the front page, uh,
and then Eddie Murphy all of us and it's sold
out theater, all white people e for Eddie Murphy and
his friends, and they go, this isn't funny at all.

(01:06:29):
And then they go and become successful making movies for
the under representative. Yeah. Literally a movie in one of
their biggest movies. So I don't know, there's just like
it just does those messages don't reach the top level. Well,
you know, we'll see what happens. We'll I'll be wait
with bated breath to what the Is it a hostless Oscars? Again?

(01:06:49):
I think so? I think so good for them. Yeah,
I think that's better. But I'm acting like I'm gonna
watch it looking forward to that. Yeah. Well, I just
remember today that they were happy, and as I read ship,
I was like, right, yeah, this weekend, I'm gonna be
going with a lot of NPR hosts to an oscar

(01:07:12):
party where we're all in an oscar pool and it's
very competitive. That's that's how we do oscars. We have
a winery tour on the You're gonna take the Napal
Valley Wine Train. Well, c J, it's been a pleasure
having you man, Thanks for having me. Where can people
find you? Follow you here? You Well. We got the

(01:07:34):
other podcast, The Greatest on my Heart Radio UM that
comes out every week, where we discussed the greatest things
in sports, greatest comebacks, greatest dressers, greatest I'm trying to think,
I want to We've got coming up, greatest beefs UM.
A lot of it's we interview our kind of comedian
friends and celebrity friends and anyone who's interesting. But h yeah,

(01:07:56):
check that podcast out now. The Greatest Dressers All Time?
Ah yeah, okay, yeah, are there any I feel like yeah,
because only in the last i'd say decade has people
started dressing cool. Vince Carter, Vince Carter, I don't know.
He used to wear like a robe length silk coat
and yeah, like bootleg jeans early two thousand's, remember Shack

(01:08:19):
wore like a knee length coat, like a purple suit.
Who's in the conversation for best dresser? I mean, I
would say Westbrook. I would say Iverson just because his
significance and yeah dressing, yeah I do, but I think
and then like I think Harden would put himself in
the same class. But Harden just goes for you know,

(01:08:41):
the absurd. Westbrook has like an actual like aesthetic and
like you present him with wild stuff and be like
that's not part of my vision, you know. I like,
I like what he does. But yeah, I think Iverson
is just like important and I mean it got me
a Filipino kid to wear giant jerseys to my all
Boys Catholics nearly two thousand's like just reaching me. Uh.

(01:09:03):
In Pennsylvania Cathedral, preth played Kobe's um high school tour Marion. Yeah,
Laura Mariana Championship put up thirty on them. No, well
they it was fun. The story I didn't know. I
didn't play it, but um it was my future al monitor.
But the story that happened there was that Kobe, you know, obviously,

(01:09:23):
was going to go to the NBA and we were
just like this hoosier ass team branch a little white dudes,
and no one thought we were going to be competing
in it at all. But we were up at half
and then Kobe complained to the ref at half time
to the ball was slippery, and then they switched it
out and he scored like seventeen in the second half
and they won. It was just like, oh that I
got the Kobe story before even in the league. So slippery.

(01:09:47):
I do hit a slippery basketball, though, Yeah, but if
you always say that, yeah, yeah, what kind of ball
is it? This awesome? Is there a tweet or some
other work of social media you know what? Um? Yeah,
I sent it to myself last night. It's from a
comedian named Dan locata um who is just ridiculous um.

(01:10:12):
And he writes for SNL. I don't know if I'll
even be able to do this justice by reading out loud. Okay,
so um, he just tweets out really stupid stuff. And
so he tweeted every night, I sit at the comedy
seller table and a children's high chair, drink wild cherry
pepsi and every now and then say y'all play too much.

(01:10:32):
And just also, if you don't know who he is,
just look him up. His Twitter is insane and it's
so funny to know he writes that, you know, one
of the most important comedy institutions and um, he writes
on Joe Pere's adult swim show. That's a big fan
of Miles. Where can people find you? What's tweet you've
been enjoying? Oh, you can find me on Twitter and
Instagram at Miles of Gray and also on four twenty

(01:10:54):
Day Fiance, the other show I do with Sophia Alexandra
talking about ninety day Fiance. Some tweets that I like.
One is from a partner non charlot at a part
Napkins says, I will never get over the fact manslaughter
with alternate pronunciation is man's laughter. Oh ship so stupid? Um.

(01:11:15):
And then another one, Uh, this is from at Maddie Smith.
It's just like, there's this tweet that says, meet the
Shadow team, like the people who put the app together
for the Iowa Caucuses, And he's just pulled. Why was
a UCB improv team entrusted with our democracy? The photo
is very that is improv. Yeah, laptop themed improv to

(01:11:37):
here everyone clutching their laptops everything. Yeah, uh they're called
iOS improv os. Escape tweet I've been enjoying. Jeremy at
Jeremy Mano tweeted it would be cool of parasite inspired
Hollywood to start making mid budget thrillers again, and they're

(01:12:00):
probably just gonna cast song Kango as the secondary villain
and am and three Uh yeah, and then Cody Johnson
tweeted Wormy Slanders, declaring victory after the quote votes were
quote counted disgusting. You can find me on Twitter at

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this is from a producer I don't know how to
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I just like a little sample based himp hoppy fan that. Uh.
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