Hollywood’ing While Black, Mask Off/On? 6.22.20

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Still the substitute. Y'all still got the substitute teacher. Mr
O'Brien will be back tomorrow. But I have one last
blooper video I want to show y'all. But before we
do that, let's get into this show. Hello Internet, Hello class,
and welcome to season one nine, Episode one of the
Daily Zeitgeist production of My Heart Radio. This is the
podcast where we kick off America's old Roden skull and

(00:23):
be like, what the fuck? Okay? All right? Is everybody
saying this? Everyone? Okay? Okay? So everyone okay, can we
can talk about this? Great? And we say, officially off
the top, fuck the Cooke Brothers, Fuck Fox News. Funk
rush Buck says bucks Buck. Fuck Buck Sexton got tied,
tongue tied on that one. Fuck j K Rowling. Fuck
any motherfucker standing in the evening in the way of quality.

(00:44):
And okay, it's Monday, June twenty. My name is Miles
ray a k A boo. Allow me to re introduce myself.
My name is Cole to the ninety. Okay, that's in
reference to probably the second wave of infections that could
be happening, and that was I think I meeting my

(01:05):
saw on the internet because man, people are really reckless
out here without these masks, and I can only imagine
what could happen down the road. Um, but enough about me.
I am to be joined by my co host from Heaven,
from on High, from the land of Scams. It's a
scam goddess herself, just the fucking genius Lacey Mosley. Yes,

(01:29):
let's up a cigarette scam goddess. Ak. They have got jacked,
but at least I'm a lot Scamo me me me,
Scamo me me me, scam on me beautiful? Who gave
you that one? Is that from you? I wrote that

(01:51):
one too real quick. You are just a visionary you
not these vocals are trash. But don't be humbled. People
heard the kiss from Arose one. I'm pretty sure it
already went gold and it's number fifteen on the iTunes charts. Yeah,
so that the stand worked out great. He is with me, well, Lacy.

(02:12):
We are very honored, thrilled to be joined by somebody
I have really uh funcked with on the Internet and
Twitter for a long time now. Uh and it's just
super dope to have this man on the show. Now,
the brilliant, talented hilarious, comedian, writer, activists, whatever you want
to call him, because he's everything. Welcome, Mama, do and

(02:32):
g I, Hey, thank you so much for having me,
Thank you for coming. You got some If you don't
have a I don't have a song. I just want
to say that, like, the top three songs of the
summer gotta be the hip hop Harry Bee. That's that.
I'm gonna be playing that at a party on June.
Team's got up. Yeah, Hey, hey, absolutely gonna be playing
that second one. You're about to lose your job. That

(02:54):
lady shout out to you gave us a classic, a banger.
And then finally my favorite song of this whole pro
test cycles and YPD suck my Dick. I love it.
I have a single permutation of it, and um, you
know definitely I'm sorry, Lacy, but it's like right under yours.
You better make sure that you can be pushing yours
to the top of that billboard chart because I also
always stuck my bed. I want Yeah. When people bring

(03:18):
up a lot of these songs from the protests, I
always have to mention that one the Detroit techno one
with the man like the bombed out Car, No justice,
no peace buck these racist as closi that would is
a fucking banguard. It's always funny to be at protests
and see cops starting to like dance a little bit
to like what we're yelling at them kind of goes

(03:39):
it's about us. We felt like st just these racist
wait wait wait yea, whose streets are streets? Were wrong? Though,
sometimes because sometimes some white people be like whose streets
are streets? Some like yours? Like these specific streets are

(04:04):
not yours. No, definitely not that street, says Malcolm X.
Our streets. I'm on the intersection of the MLK and Crunchhaw.
These are our streets? Are Mama? Do Before we get
to know you and let our listeners get to know you,
we'll just kind of walk through what we're going to

(04:25):
talk about in this episode. Um, you know, I think
it's a great time to talk about you know, Mama
Doo wrote a brilliant piece and Vulture that I really
encourage many people to read about navigating Hollywood and the
policing of black voices in the industry. So I think
we'll get a little bit of talk from especially you
and Lacy, because you know, you guys are know how

(04:45):
to Hollywood while black, uh, and kind of get some
takes on that, as well as talk about AMC going
mask off, then mask on or mask off again, depending
on if the mask is literal or metaphorical. Um, but
we'll get into that as well as conservatives are like,
they're acting like they're canceling Jimmy Kimmel for his there's

(05:07):
a lot of weaponizing of the moment I'm seeing from
really bad faith actors, especially on the right, who suddenly
forget what their entire platform is built on. So we'll
talk about that and maybe the re emergence of junk
food in the pandemic, because we are just trying to
comfort ourselves. Uh. But first, Mama, do what's something from

(05:27):
your search history that is revealing about who you are? Um.
I tried to search if there's any trap remixes of
the hip hop Harry beat. I'm deejaying a party later,
and I'm just like, I want I need people to
be out here moving the goddamn feet to this be
because at first, when I heard the song, I was like,
oh man, this is so annoying. It's probably gonna be
a meeting for this whole summer. But now when right

(05:49):
here it there's like a joy of me and I
kind of need to hear you these figures up, go
go go. I just need that. You know that sounds
so good before I was takey oh my god, Yo.
I'm trying to mix it DJ too, so like I'm
trying to mix it with uproar by Little Wayne right

(06:10):
now because there's the five for three to that part, like,
and try and mix it with the Ghost. And I'm
gonna say once I once I get my record and
set up figured out that ship that's about to go up. Wait,
so you're DJ and what like a zoom party or
you like good a blast speakers out into like a
block party? What's the set up? I'm going to a
Juneteenth party in Williamsburg, h And it's uh, basically just

(06:34):
the celebration of June block party. Look, it's gonna be
a rooftop party actually so yeah. So I'm just gonna
be on the roof and there's like yo play stuff
that gets people hype. I'm just like, fam, I've not
thought about djaying a party in three months, and now
I got to get up there and make these people hype.
I'm gonna do my damn this, and I think that's
gonna be the first song. Okay, wait a minute, is
everyone going to be a mass as? People are gonna

(06:54):
be social distancing? Our new gro is gonna be grinding.
I'm gonna turn that sh it off the moment. I'll
be Hey, you want to play like middle school dance songs?
Do you have no no slow grinds going on? Remember
Brian with me? How pretty ricky friend down me? We're like,

(07:19):
I guess we have to do what the song says.
Is there a kids about version of that? Because I
don't think there could be, Like you like, what is
that gonna say of next? Too close? Kids? Yeah? I
mean there's so many Oh god, you're making it's fun
for me, You're making it fill with blood gross, so gross.

(07:46):
There's like a scientific version. What's the one that you
do with sex with Me so amazing by Rihanna? Oh No,
that wasn't mean, that wasn't be but I was lefting
so hard? What was it? Um something? Know, It's like
it's like it's like is it ice cream? Yeah? People
are out here trying to watch us figure out a

(08:06):
meme in real time. But right that's the most podcasts are,
Yeah right, I'm gonna put I'm gonna put it on
my Instagram so I find it. It's so it's like
it's something raising so amazing, like oh or something and raising.
It's like ice cream me, so I cream with something raisin. Anyway,

(08:27):
It's very funny woman. You know the kids A Bob
industrial complex has gone on for too long, and I
will have it. I just listen to the songs as
a as a former DJ used to get on the
ones and twos himself. Or what's your set up? Mom?
With on cerato? You are you hlugging around milk crates
with the heavy vinyl? What are we talking your CDJ? No? No,
I don't have the cardio or the back strength for

(08:47):
the for the virus, but I have I have. I
have a Newmark n S seven too. That's two job
wheels that will motorized and I run and run Serato
to have a four debt capability, but I don't run
to mostly. And I'm the type of person to be
playing uh you know, I'll play Abba and right into
Montell Jordan and that I'm that type. So that's the

(09:09):
best kind when you're just like everything will be good
music there's no like real aesthetic aside from everything is good,
Everything is fun, and I just like to surprise people,
Like I played the Avenger's theme at a party once
and everybody got really mad at me. And then I
mixed it. I mixed it with Asap ferg and and
then it changed. Everything changed up, looks invented music work. Yeah,

(09:35):
that beat Boy changed the whole vibe of that. I'll
put a snippet of I put a snippet of it
on Twitter once, but I deleted it because I was embarrassed.
I was like, this is not who I am. Uh
mam wadud. What is something you think is underrated? Something
I think is underrated? I have to say the original
motion picture Space Jam? Oh wow, Okay, yeah, I think

(09:58):
I think it's underrated as a movie because I think
people always are like, yo, Michael Jordan can't act. I'm like, yeah,
but like I can't act. But he also had to
act against like random green things running around like actual people,
you know, like um, and I think that you know,
there wasn't that much in the Jordan doc about Space
Jam at all, but like there was like that good

(10:18):
there's like that good eight minute chunk where it was like,
oh cool, they built that court and it was again
it was mostly about how he was using that time
for his career when I would have settled for a
full on space jam like featurette behind the scenes, right,
I would love to have seen clips behind the scenes
of that. Also, like as an actor acting with their
not being stuff, They're like, it's so hard so for

(10:41):
you to have limited acting experience, and then they're like,
now this thing is next to you and it's fly
Like that's a lot. He's literally looking at nothing, look
at this tennis ball and cry like exactly, and people
are out here playing like wild wild wild zone defense
on him, and he's out here here pretending that like
know what is on him. And I think in the

(11:02):
same ship with like Star Wars, like the prequel movies,
Like there's definitely like a renaissance of them now, but
like they're pretty bad, but I feel bad. There's like
grown as people acting against nothing, not talking, Like there's
six Shakespearean actors who went to like you know, Royal
Shakespeare Academy that know how to do that stuff that
like it's just the stage. But then there's like Hayden
Christensen who's like I gotta talk to the jar who
is this nigger? Like I felt so bad so I

(11:26):
mean it ruined Jake Lloyd's entire career basically. You know
yo listen that. I mean we talked like imagine like
that was analog Twitter. You know, it's back when you
needed to write a letter and say kill yourself to
someone like yeah exactly, just be like oh hunder forty
and set that out people up to their premier because

(11:49):
you're like, I know he's gonna be there. I'll get
I'll wait with all the fans like Mary's nine years old.
And then it was like this is justified, and I'm like,
what do you? Never wouldn't be so bad that somebody
will use their gas money to pull up to me.
I never want to be so bad that people are like, nope,
I'm taking a day off work, kids play, going to pizza.

(12:11):
I gotta go tell Lazy how bad she isn't oh,
I can't imagine ever doing anything so bad that like
in like in Hollywood, in a movie where people gotta
pull up to me at like t J Max and
be like, yeah, you better be in the clearancile who
they didn't pay you anything at all like, that's just
bad rude. So yeah, and like shout out to Star
Wars fandom, not racist at all, some of the best

(12:32):
people I know. Yeah, it's like such a such a
mixed bag over there. Yeah, it seems to be pretty nice. Yeah,
what about this mom would do? What do you think
it's something that is overrated? Something that's overrated? Wow, I'm
about to make it kind of hot. I don't know
how I think about it. What we love. It's cold
in here, you can turn up, you can turn it

(12:53):
up a little bit. I think I think, I know
it's untem this is gonna catch me some flak. But
like I think, I think shop Flid is overrated. Oh
the silence is that we're gonna do. He's gonna be
a mature like that. I think chocolate is overrated. Oh
just okay, look, present your case, my honor, Thank you gladly.

(13:15):
I just don't think it's as popping as people make
it out to be. And that and I'm not saying that.
I think that, Like, there's definitely chocolate industrial complex in
there too, like holidays and chocolate, right, there's other stuff
that's also good. And I think that because you're like
looking at a chocolate woman right now. So it's just yeah,
and the and that's the thing. I'm sorry I'm saying.

(13:37):
I'm not saying that you're not a sweet person. I'm
just saying that chocolate has been treated as the sweetest
thing in the world for two arguably is I just
I'm that and it's arguably is that's the thing. And
also to your point, is arguably isn't. So it's I

(13:57):
don't think it's as popping as it should be and
for me personally, and again he asked me, I just
want to be clear just what I just know you
can have that opinion. I mean, it's just like how
Donald Trump stares directly into the sun and tries to
fight it, you know, during a clinpse, Like you can
fight anything, So if you want to fight, you can

(14:19):
fight the sun. You know. The part is that I
feel like you want me to go to like the
candy out after Valentine's they just staring down chocolate now
like because I will, I'll be like, I dare you
to off, Like that's not how I am. So just
sucking all the Russell Stover's boxes off the shovel, like yeah,
who is that needs to just go ahead and keep

(14:41):
it two virgils and just tell us why you tell
us that they're the last minute chocolate for your side
girls and for when you forgot about your wife. Have
any of you had to explain the virgils thing to anybody?
You're like people people saying like a Virgil to virgils,
like yeah, you know, like we've been in bondage for
about what eight virgils? People like what, it's really funny

(15:05):
and like, well is that, Like I'm what's like, okay,
so Virgil Ablow only gave fifty never mind, you know,
it's a whole story. Like you know, it might not
be for you, you know, but you don't know. You
don't go because I'm like, finally we're getting like some
of our own language back that feels like it can't
be sold and bought by white folks for money because

(15:26):
they love to take. Like remember Fleek they destroyed that
in a week. Remember for Shizl. I'm still mad about
for Chisel we had for ship hours before they were
like for shiz All my nansel and I was like,
well there it goes snoop, pack it up. So I'm
glad that we keep that at Hotep jokes because they
don't get right. So we were like, what dr Umar

(15:48):
and why should I know what Yakubian. I will say though,
the funniest shiit to me in the world is seeing
a kufy on a white person. That's like when Nancy
Pelos never taken any say cloth. I'm like, bro, they
say't even right, it's nothing that you thought you did it.
But yeah. It was the first time I had gone
to Ghana in West Africa. I had met this Canadian

(16:10):
man who married a local woman and basically became an elder,
like a chief of his area. So he had the
designation of Nana so he was called Nana Dave. He
was like this, yes, and he had had this, he
had this Ghanaian wife. They are they are full out
kente like you know, because that's a very Ghanaian thing,
like they're a kinta cloth. And I saw this. I

(16:31):
was like, are you for I'm like this Canadian. I mean,
he's he's out here, he's like building a hotel and
like trying to do something like and live in the community.
But it was like very jarring when you see like
white people were like oh yeah, Like I had to
get out of there. And I had just come to Africa,
and I'm like, I'd be sick, bro if I was
West Africa. And I went about to West Africa and
some dude named Spencer was running my town. I beat

(16:52):
the ship out of there, like I was like this,
and people na Chad, Like it is not not Chad.
He runs our village. That's not not Taylor, that's not
like him, and that's not Karen, and that's not not Kaylee. Hey,

(17:13):
Like I don't I could. I couldn't do it. I
don't literally, Like I think that's the why I think
about Africa is that people don't realize that. Like some
people are like, yo, I can't do this America ship
and they're black and they go there, and there's some
people who are white, like I can't do America ship
where things are set up for you to be the successful,
either honestly or not, and you go to Africa and
then you somehow find yourself running ship that's white supremacy

(17:34):
right right right exactly, full circle like on that savior
behavior where I'm gonna provide your jobs and savior behavior.
Gotta let it, baby, Yeah, Dave, Dave, I can't. I'm
not joking. I gotta find this photo. It was like
a J. C. Penny Mall portrait of like distinct like

(17:54):
like you know how these portraits look normally of like
a village elder or something like. It's very stoic imposed
and just to see this dude who was like sun
burnt to ship, uh and like with his wife but
very like we're out here, uh, is surreal photo. It's
also like it's like wild Olan mills, like kind of blue,
kind of little textured background and it's got to Africa

(18:15):
African person and not the opposite African person and they
just standing there. Oh god, it's trigger uh. And finally, Mamado,
what is a myth? What is something people think is
true that you know is false, or what is something
people think is false that you know is actually true.
I think the thing that I think is false that

(18:36):
a lot of people assume it is true is that
Desani is water. I in my idea, do not believe.
I have no idea what is coming from that? Yeah?
Under and myths and stuff like shots at me, like

(18:58):
he didn't even talk about that Pepperoni pineapple, Hallepeenio pizza.
You were eating. Before we started, I let it rock.
I talked to God and I was like, yeah, y'all
need to get your taste buds up. Okay, because my
taste buds are on mansion status. My taste buds definitely
don't pay taxes. My taste buds are on that billionaire ship,
and y'all need to like. My taste bud's got a
p P P loan. It's also and they definitely shouldn't

(19:20):
have forget. It's brave of you in an anti capitalist
world to be like, I got billionaire taste buds. They
guilty straight for your tongue. It's gonna be a pack
up for you. I'm just saying I think the Saani
is lying about being water. I think it's invitation water.
It's not about you. I'm just saying it's bad. It's
all a reference. Okay. So for a full disclosure or

(19:42):
full transparency. Prior to this, Lacy was eating a slice
I would say eating because I was hungry, and she
was having a slice of pepper oony pineapple Hallepeenio pizza
as well as can do. You want to run down
the story of why you were as I look at
you right now, in the zoom call, you were drinking
from a d Saani bottle. Is it tap water? Say bottle?
You're doing that fancy thing where you fill up a
Fiji bottle the top water. It's desagny and it tastes

(20:05):
like oppression. And honestly, did you didn't buy that, did
you know? So? You know how Coke owns De Saigny,
and they we keep telling Coke like, y'all, we don't
want to drink this. This dirt water minerals is dirt.
You're not checking us, Please stop with the dirt water.
They're like, we don't care. We're gonna keep giving dirt
water because we're packed up with coke industries. So you
know what, every time you bout Coca Cola, you get

(20:26):
a designy. So I ordered from the pizza place and
unfortunately they're sponsored or they're they're partnered with Coca Cola,
so they only give you dirt water. And I ordered
a couple of dirt waters, and now I gotta drink them.
Do you like aquafina better than jas anything over jasany like?
Because it's the same thing with street water. That's just
Pepsi's version of you know, like repurified water. So you know,

(20:48):
I don't know if it's not great either, but I
like it better. I'm like a smart water girl. I
love a Voss with billionaire taste buds. Smart water, get that,
I and I I and I get those. Get those electrolytes.
Alkala alkaline water. I don't even know what the alkalines are,
but whatever put it in my veins. Don't give a funk.

(21:11):
It sounds different than water I'll take. They're like it's charged.
I'm like, great, I'm going to be charged up. Sounds good.
I just fundamentally don't believe that when I'm drinking water.
It needs to convince me it's water while I'm drinking it.
And that's how I feel about de Sani. I'm like,
it's like when you open the bottle, goes, I'm water,
I swear, and then you drink it and it's it's

(21:31):
not and it like hisses like as if it were
like there was it was pressurized. It's like that's what
water sounds like, right, I mean, sure there could be
some sound of water. The tall map on the call
map commercial, it's like take fifteen seconds and it's like rain,
it's under it sound like that. It's funny, like you,

(21:57):
Desani has its own rep like even as in memed
bottle of water. Like I remember some of the first
memes we were seeing out of people going on runs
to supermarkets during the pandemic. It was everybody took everything
except the desagny, like even people knew. It's like, well
I don't, I just might as well as drink from
the tap. But at that point people are still like,

(22:18):
it's still there. I don't know. It must be just
cheap as fun for them to make. Water should not
be heavy, it should not be thick, as water should
not be sold to people in general. I think that's
actually let's actually go back a step and like nobody
should be bottling fucking water and selling it because we're
literally we're just sucking the fucking life out of different
places on Earth and be like here you going, man,

(22:39):
don't don't worry about the fucking the crop failure over there.
You've got water over here now. But I haven't bought
Aaron Vegas. So but that's that might be what it is.
Maybe Desagni is actually woke because it's not even water.
Everyone else is terrible and Desaani, which is poison is
actually just bottle poison like ethical because we take reclaim

(23:03):
sewage water and squeeze all the ship out of it
till it grows clear and bottle that purified doky WATERMA question.
Then the sauny water or a sip from that puddle
in front of the Hot Dog Stand Broadway on Broadway,
I would I would drink that twice before the Sawny.

(23:24):
And also that random drop of water in New York
that falls down gallons gallons gallons. You put me in
the Gatorade commercial for that ship. Honestly, I was. Last
time I was in New York in the summer, I
was standing on a corner in Chinatown. Uh, did not
realize there was a big gas puddle of meat in
front of me in a truck just fucking flashed me.

(23:46):
And I got water. I got curb water in my mouth,
Hot New York curbwater in my mouth. I will still
take that over to Sagny. I was like, I don't know,
wasn't that you can taste they at least yeah, like, well,
at least I know it's asphalt, like I'm seeing, yeah,
great and whatever, random garbage water. It's like it's like

(24:09):
that meme of Pam from the office, which I can't
tell the difference is just de sagny and puddle water
your ladder. I don't know the difference. All Right, We're
gonna take a quick break to do a couple of
beer bods at Suny and get our heads right and
we'll be right back after that. And we are back

(24:34):
and let's just uh, let's just keep it moving right
into uh some stories that were some causes, some things
over the weekend. A full disclosure, we are recording this
on June tenth, uh, so you know, that's just what
it is. It's coming out Monday, So we don't know
what happened over the weekend um in Tulsa. I can
only imagine what news that could bring. But we'll be

(24:55):
talking about that obviously in the next episode. But for now,
let's address something that was pretty big at the end
of last week was when AMC theaters. You know, they're
about to reopen hundreds of locations on July fift in
this country, and they essentially said, you know what, when
we open, we're not going to require patrons to wear
masks despite there being a pandemic. Uh. And this was

(25:16):
the reasoning, the CEO of AMC gave quote, we did
not want to be drawn into a political controversy. We
thought it might be counterproductive if we forced mask wearing
on those people who believe strongly that it is not necessary.
We think that the vast majority of AMC guests will
be wearing masks. When I go to an AMC feature,
I will certainly be wearing a mask and leading by example. Okay,

(25:39):
when that came out, I think most people were like,
what in the holy fuck is going on over there?
We are in a pandemic where the numbers are not
going down, They're only going up. We're aggressively reopening against
the word of every scientist ever basically and anybody with
half a brain and all because what you you got

(26:00):
to make sure you get that money for the Tenant premiere.
I mean that's Chris Nolan baby, Like my man is like,
I gotta get that. And honestly, you know what, I
think Coronavirus might actually be super super racist because that's
the only movie that no one's made that has a
black lead, right, Yeah, I mean I mean it's wild
because like listen, I'll say I'm a member of MC

(26:20):
Stubbs Club and not trying to flex, just saying it's
what I want to do. But I ain't trying to
go to even a movie theaters when there's no masks,
and I feel like I don't want to be there
for other reasons. And I feel like right now, like
this is not the most important thing that we got
to be dealing with, Like why would you ever like
promote that we are going to allow congregations of people
to be doing a thing together and just breathe the
same musty old theater street air. The logic um apparently

(26:44):
that they're applying is like, well, look, people are wearing masks,
they're not talking, They'll all be facing the same direction.
Masks will only be off while eating popcorn or having
a seat or drink or whatever. And that's like they're
flimsy ASTs logic. And then when CNN press them for
the but like, what are you actually doing aside from
just saying like don't wear like what what else can
you say you're doing to keep people safe? And this

(27:05):
is what this is the direct answer from the representative
from MC in this interview quote the things you would expect,
We're of course doing social distancing seat limitations, intensified creating protocols,
employee health procedures, contactless ticketing, mobile food and beverage ordering.
But we've also invested millions of dollars in high tech
solutions to purify in our theaters. We're buying electrostatic sprayers

(27:28):
hep of vacuums, MERV thirteen ventilation air filters. We're taking
the safety and health of our guests and our associates
as seriously as we possibly can, except allowing people without
masks to enter your theater. What the funk are y'all
even talking about? It? Is also like y'all don't have
no win, Like this is actually like a Petri dish
that you're asking people to go to where there's no windows,

(27:51):
airflow is low, electrostatic sprayers hep of vacuums and MERV lace.
Let me say this one more time, MERV thirteen ventilation
air filters, not MERV twelve, because we remember what happened
with those. Yes, it's wild. I feel like I don't
even remember the first twelve mervs and we are on
thirteen and hopefully it's gonna save ship. You know what, No,

(28:13):
I think that it's also like it's what I'm trying
to think of, Like what it's the opposite, Like you know,
because if you take your mask down, if you take
your mask off, it's a popcorn coronavirus everywhere, bro, especially
in like a dense dark room where like I'm not
an epidemiologist, but if you're in a trap room and
there's a high risk coronavirus and everyone's pulling their mask
off for a little bit, you don't know who's asymptomatic.
You don't know any of this sort of ship. And
on top of that, it's like what are you gonna do.

(28:35):
You're gonna have like a mask, but then you have
like the upside down face shields where like you just
dump popcorn and drinks down there. So you have to
take it like this to keep that well, keep that
idea close to the chest. Do you have, oh my god,
prototype I will. I mean, like listen, we in New York.
I'll fight any herb who has that all there. But
I had to go see Tennant this weekend, so I
have this upside down face ship. I mean it's almost

(28:56):
like some wally ship where we would create ways to
just traw product into our down our gullets during some
unke some fucking media spectacle, like it the levels of
dystopian like we're approaching with this pandemic because it's really revealing,
how like the pathology of capitalism too, Like this whole
idea of like, look, we gotta get this fucking money.

(29:18):
I don't give a funk if people die like we're going,
we don't get And the other thing people need to
realize is like if you are if you're trusting a
corporation to look out for you, you are out of
your goddamn mind. There. I haven't seen one example where
I'm like, you know what that corporation they came through
on protecting people, even though it's detrimental to their bottom
line and affected shareholder value. They did the right thing.

(29:39):
That's just not gonna happen. Not once I can, I
can I open you got you guys a third eye
for a second. Okay, I think AMC is really opening
not just to open their theaters and get money and
to stimulate whatever arm of Hollywood they're doing well. Also,
remember the wild cornball Jeff Bezos is trying to buy
AMC theaters, So I think that this is the only

(30:02):
thing that they can do to even have any revenues
to prevent this sort of buyout exactly. So I think
that's like, I think that's something that's like being a
race from all of this. But I think it's also
like I don't care about giant corporate mergers. I really
care about people. And also, I mean I've been in
mad amc theaters in the city and I'm just like

(30:22):
there's always like we don't know how coronavirus completely affects
the body entirely yet, but like every movie theater I've been,
and I'm guarantee some du this in their masturbating and
doing some ship and it's like it's already weird ship
that's happening, and it's like, bro, like for three months,
everybody's been home, and now niggas is gonna beating off
movie theaters with masks on. Like that's it. Like we
have other systemic theater problems that we also gotta feel

(30:44):
now there's coronavirus on top of that. Yeah, and what
movies are even out that it's like, oh, let me
go risk my life for this tenant John David Washington. Yeah,
it's it's a Christopher Nolan. It's a Christopher Nolan like
super mine, fuck trippy for Chopher No, and no one is.
I don't think that many people are. And I think

(31:05):
he's playing himself if he thinks like it's people are
gonna fucking risk their lives to see that ship. Like
it's like, oh, I may see a Christopher Nolan movie
or I may end up. I would love to see
that movie, but the cost benefit analysis there, I'm like, oh, fuck,
no getting in a people who are also dumb as
fun to be like, I'm going to the movies. Oh

(31:25):
my god, don't where the I don't know what you've
been up to. But that brings us to this. So
this outrage that we are experiencing right now, that got
loud enough for a m C to be like, Okay,
you're right, we won't call it politics, even though this
is not a political issue. That's a whole other conversation
how people like politicizing mask wearing. But they're saying like, okay,
you know what masks on now? And this is what

(31:47):
the CEO had to say at AMC theaters. We think
it is absolutely crucial that we listened to our guests
accordingly and with the full support of our scientific advisors.
We are reversing course and are changing our guest mask
policy as we Let me just stop right there. The
whole thing where they're saying, with the full support of
our scientific advisors, were they told you to have an

(32:08):
optional mask policy to begin with? Like, what what is
the like the language already, I feel like betrays what
was really going on, essentially, like trying to be like yeah,
because you know, we're always we're always having our scientific
advisors wig in on everything. I was going to say,
who the fund is the fucking AMC scientific advisor who
goes to college people. I can't wait to work for
a mega movie corporate scientific advisor. They gotta know how

(32:30):
much chemical they can put in that fact butter before
legally will kill you. I think it's just coconut oil really,
but their scientific advisors probably someone who like memorize all
the lines from Flubber or some ship saying it's just
like wild hair, the glasses lapt They're like, they're like
just telling to where masks, They're gonna be fine to
worry about it, Uh, this other thing here. So then

(32:51):
they go on, as we reopened the theaters, all guests
will be required to wear masks. This is the next part.
The speed with which AMC moved to revise our mask
policies is a reflection of our commitment to the safety
and health of our guests. It would have been more
of a commitment if y'all had just started with the
masks in the first place, or maybe never opened. Like,
how y'all go. That's like, that's like if you have cars,

(33:15):
you got you make cars and you sell them and
you know they're exploding, and you know they're exploding before
you sell them, and then people start exploding them, and
then you're like, hey, guys, we're taking those exploding cars
off the market because we see that you're exploding and
we care about you. And that's always at the forefront
of our ethos as a company exactly. You know, when
my grand dad got into the exploding car business, I

(33:38):
I was like, you know what, I gotta keep this
family christing going, but I will stop it because of
the welfare of our customers. Right when y'all said we
don't want to explode no more, we heard you. We
heard that. That really is some like shitty boyfriend logic
where you get caught cheating and you're like, well, I'm
not cheating anymore. And she's like, well, that's true exactly, babe,
because that's a testament to how committed I am to
you in this relationship. It's like, know, you caught me

(34:00):
five minutes ago. I know you caught me. However that
was five minutes ago, and I wouldn't not I wouldn't
stop cheating for nobody, you know, But I'm committed to this,
this relationship. The sanctity of the whole thing just reeks
of total bullshit. And it's just really weird, man, because

(34:24):
these like it's there's like another level of gas lighting
that's happening from capitalists, like the capitalist you know, business
owning class, which is forcing people to work and consume again,
as if there isn't a pandemic, like all these forced openings,
Like I think bars were opening over the weekend in
l A. I wouldn't know because I'm still looking at like,
is there are the numbers going down? Yeah? It's like

(34:46):
what are what the funk are people doing? But they're
not realizing that even though a mayor might say, hey,
we're reopening the town, it's not because you are safe.
It's because like the Chamber of Commerce and other donors
and people who are owned business and stuff are in
their ears lobbying them to get them to reopen. Like
this is a lobbying effort. This isn't just some This
isn't your local leaders saying like all right, guys, I

(35:08):
think you've been safe and I think we're ready. No,
they're under pressure from these people who are like, I
need my fucking money, bro, And if you think I'm
gonna give to your campaign, you're out your fucking head.
Start opening these restaurants and ship It's really really dark
and cynical. Also, people have to remember, like if you're
going out to these restaurants, are you're risking because you're like, oh,
it'll probably be okay. Just know you're out there with
the most reckless people you've ever met in your life.

(35:29):
Because anybody who's out early, disregarding everything that's happening in
the news, I bet you those people have been out
the entire time. There's a good chance that they have
like met up with so many different people, like you
are out with the most reckless people you've ever met,
and also like and guess what you wanted? The motherfucker's
sue you. They're like, come on, bro, if we all realize, oh,

(35:51):
maybe i'm wildent and just sat down, you'll be fine. Yeah,
I mean, like if if you could be outdoors, that's
one thing, because it seems like mask wearing did help
a lot during a lot of these protests, which is beneficial,
but that's in the context of outside And I know
there are I've read plenty of takes on the right
they're like, oh, really, people are upset about bars, but
look at this, Look at all these people. I don't

(36:12):
see social distancing there without completely like actually genuinely, you know,
pointing to the fact that this isn't about going to
see a fucking movie. Okay, this is exactly complete. The
stakes are fucking not even close to being the same.
But because like the sooner that you realize that everything
is connected to like whiteness, money and optics, everything starts

(36:32):
becoming so much more clear because like, honestly, like you know,
but look at these people doing brunch. Things are good,
but you're not gonna follow up with them in two
weeks when they're all ventilators Mark thirteen air ventilators. Like, yeah,
so it's wold, so we'll see, uh you know how
that goes. I just you know, please everybody listening, just
because look at just the numbers. Man, If the numbers

(36:55):
aren't going down, we're not doing it. We're not doing
what we had to do. Then you know how to
in the streets. Yeah, speaking of whiteness and optics and
media narratives in Hollywood. Um, mama, do you wrote a
piece and Vulture that is really really fantastic sort of
talking about a film that you were trying to get

(37:15):
out and it's evolution and how you were trying to
tell a story, um, and how you came to realize
whether or not an audience would accept it, whether or
not the gatekeepers that allowed stories like this to be
platformed would accept it. Um. And I don't know, I
just want to, you know, let you. I feel like
this is a great time to talk about Hollywood ing
while black. Um. And I think in your instance, like

(37:38):
for you as a creator trying to get a message
out and then watching how that gets distorted along the way. Um.
So do you do you kind of want to just
sort of break down what happened? Yeah? So, and uh
so I've been doing like you know, protests and stuff
for a lot a long time. I think that you know,
every black person that we know, their entire life has
been mined with this sort of like smag of police

(38:00):
isles and racism from that. So in two thousands sixteen,
after the deaths of Philanderer Steel and out In Sterling,
I started working on a short film and I started
crowdfunding for it called Hashtag, and it was supposed to
be sort of a meta narrative on the cyclical nature
of things, because especially on social media, you really noticed
that we turn our eyes to it, then we turn away,
and it keeps happening almost exactly the same way. And

(38:21):
I think that, you know, we all had our grant.
I think not we all, But I feel like a
lot of the Internet that doesn't have access to this
sort of narrative because they're not tied to it, was
forced to look at like the trape On Martin story.
So things have slowly gotten Wokern worker, Walker and Walker
and worker on Twitter. But I made the short film
and it took a lot out of me, mostly because

(38:42):
I was getting advice from a lot of different people.
I was taking in different directions and I went to
different execs, I went to different production companies that I
wanted to help from it, and it felt very much
like this like grand gas lighting of like, yo, this
idea is and it felt like you could feel the
money behind it. It's not in right now, it's not
gonna pop. You could hear the gas from the ideas like,
oh yeah, what you're talking about is like definitely an

(39:03):
important topic, but like we don't do that here. And
I could tell from the people that I was talking
to that it like it made them uncomfortable, but not
uncomfortable enough to change anything about themselves and stuff. And
I finally did make the short film in two I
was in eighteen with Quincy lad Better and Michelle Francesco Thomas.
And when I made the short film, I realized that

(39:27):
throughout the entire time I was making it, more people
were dying and more people were doing the same thing
that I was like trying to put in this movie.
And uh yeah, it really broke me. It really made
me feel insane because I was like, I feel crazy,
and I know a lot of black people do because
we just spend so much more time being gaslets our
own experiences by people at all levels of what we're doing,
especially in Hollywood and in comedy and stuff. So I

(39:51):
well during all of this, you know, you said that
we were talking about Twitter, about Twitter, Like I just
got mad this time. I was just like, yo, stop
pretending that you don't see this, and like the fatigue
and like the oh well, we're gonna be performatively woke
and then we're gonna go away from it, whereas like
black people can't turn their heads away, like we only
turn our heads into more trauma. And the last three
weeks have been that. So I yeah, I made the

(40:13):
short film and then I was like, I'm not going
to release this, mostly because I think that like with
black people who die from police violence, they are survived
by us and we fight for them. But that was
a movie where it's literally called hashtag. It was gonna
trend and my body was on the top people trying
to make a point, and I was going to be
alive to see the ain't ship motherfucker's that I have
to navigate every single day. So rather than do that

(40:34):
and then ruined my own mental health with that, I
was like, I'm not going to release this. That being said,
a lot of people have seen it and a lot
of people have shared it. It's something that, um, you know,
when I wrote the article. She's like, I want to
see it, and I was like, yeah, because I can't
be out here like I'm writing something about something that's
never happened, that doesn't exist. You can't do that. So
I was like, you can see it, and they thank

(40:54):
you Meg right for giving the platform for that. But
she also just like she said it moved her and
know she understood the point that I was trying to make.
And it ties into so much of like the sort
of emotional policing that black people got to go through
in Hollywood, whether it be telling policing, emotional policing, body policing,
and it it doesn't And with the moment talking about
cops again, I was like, we have to include all

(41:17):
of it, right, we have to include all the conversations.
And I'm not the most radical person. I know many
more women of color who are much more specifically black
women who are much more radical than I was that
I am, but just the police in prison abolition movement
is moving past the sort of like cyclical nature, like
we need to completely fund this ship up and I
want that sort of energy to come towards policing of

(41:40):
black expression in Hollywood. It's good it's a very different
beast because no, no white person thinks that they're bad.
And also like they think that they're giving us opportunities,
but they don't understand that that real opportunity lies within
the power construct in Hollywood. So I shouldn't have to
I shouldn't be allowed to make something that specifically black

(42:01):
and then have white people gaze upon it and tell
me why it doesn't work. It's like, sometimes you just
have to trust that you don't know what you're talking about.
And I think that's the biggest thing that we have
to work with with Hollywood exacts, is like there has
to come a moment where you're like, I don't know
every experience, Like you're not gonna see me read you know,
a Native Persons script or read a script from someone
who's from Soul or from you know, Amsterdam, and be like,

(42:25):
you know, I'm not really understanding this food stuff y'all
talking about, Like you need to take that out. Maybe
we could put in I don't know black people food.
You know, I don't know, like this love interest, could
they be white? I mean, it's soul Korea, so what
about some soul food food? Yeah? I know, I know
it'sn't so Korea, but yes, soul food and also soul

(42:46):
for people. Could these Koreans be the black ones? But
that is that, But that's what happens. Like just what
you're saying, mom, you're like your piece, right, I haven't
seen it yet, but the way you're describing sort of
this groundhogs day effect of this man getting killed by
the police and having to relive it and try and
figure out how they're going to actually survive this interaction. Yeah,

(43:07):
I think that puts so literally what the black experiences
that essentially it's like what was happening pre George Floyd,
where it was something so real and shocking to someone's
senses that they're like, oh, that's like kind of hot,
you know, like that, but rather than acknowledging, like will
you allow us to actually explain to you what this is?

(43:28):
This isn't this isn't something meant to be incendiary or
antagonistic because our existences are are just tainted with these
kinds of things. So what what the funk is this?
And to hear that someone was like even trying to
an executive, trying to give you to both sides this narrative. Yeah,
it was very annoying. I was just like, bro, like,
I don't give a funk about the cop narrative. Guess what,

(43:49):
they have a full have a strangle hold on their
own fucking narrative, and right whenever anything comes out about them,
they're like, can you take out the part about the brutality?
Thank you. It's like it's like or that I mean,
and that's that's the thing, Like black people do not
have control of their own narrative and the same way
that white people and cops have. And I'm not saying
that every white person is a cop or am I,

(44:10):
But I'm just saying that there is a power structure
in Hollywood, as Lacy was saying, that doesn't allow for
black people to express themselves the way they want to.
It has to be put through a white filter of palatability.
And that extends to all people of color, queer people
like and and it's difficult and it's dangerous to do

(44:30):
that because if we don't have control of our own narrative,
then things that are essential need to get cut out.
And even in this article like shout out Meg, I
was just like fighting was like, no, these lines need
to come in because someone needs to say this, like,
I think that people in the last forty years sort
of this turn towards blackness being the cool thing that
we can like all engage in that has become so

(44:52):
mainstream that black people are now being plucked away from
their own narratives and replaced with white people who are
doing black sense and you know, you know, nig efficient
on on Instagram and stuff like that, like that sort
of stuff. So it's so expansive, and it's so connected
to so many different other systems in Hollywood, and it
all comes down to like this sort of like suffocating

(45:14):
cloud of whiteness that is around everything. I think what
really made me break was one girl asking me where's hashtag?
Like in a very like I need it now sort
of because you did a go fund met exactly. And
I totally got it. I understood where she was coming from,
because I mean, that's how I am. I try to
see both sides of that sort of situation, often too much,

(45:34):
but I try to see both sides of that. But
what it really felt like, and I had to be
honest about how I felt, was like, it feels like
you're just like, yo, where's this movie about police trauma
that I put some money into and she's right, like,
you put some money into it, but like, this is
really fucking me up. And also every three months, someone
else is dying. And I watched my movie happen in
real life, and you watch my movie happen in real
life and you do nothing to change. So why would

(45:56):
I put something out with me in it and hurt
my my own mental health and see you do the
same thing you do with real dead people and keep
it going and it and it just it really did
break me. So I just immediately I was like, we
gotta start looking at Hollywood holistically, everything from exects down
the crafty. How are we putting black people into this?
And also the idea of like re traumatizing black people

(46:18):
because we understand what the reality is, so when we
see these films, it's like yep. But then at a
certain point it where's it starts to really weigh down
on people, because how many times you have to see
these really fucked up versions of life until you know,
ship starts clicking And I guess we're beginning there. But
that's why I think we have to really see this moment.

(46:40):
I think a lot of people are um and to
your point is like it can't just be offerings to
black creators, writers or whatever to have like table scraps
or that'd be like invited to the table. Motherfucker's need
to give up their seats at the table. Exactly know
what I mean, Because that's the issue. And I think
that's really I think another issue of like how are

(47:00):
we how can we really guarantee that there is going
to be proper representation in these kinds of things when
already we're seeing corporations be like, hey, we'll be back
with more on what we will do on black Lives Ladder,
more to come, more to come, But like we gotta
be real, what this is just another form of gas

(47:21):
lighting until we actually see what is going to happen.
I don't need more to come. I need you to say,
you know what, like we've changed our head of development.
Uh is now like a clear queer black person whatever
anything and just be like this person is now doing this,
someone who is gate keeping is now we're actually expanding
the perspective of people who are going to actually be

(47:41):
like this could be something good rather than a very
homogeneous lens or filter that everything is put through in
this decision making process, and that's why you're seeing gate keepers.
For a long time, what they did, you know, and
called diversity and expansion was tokenism where they would take
on black creatives and then they take their art and
they remove all of the passion and the and the

(48:03):
truth from it so that they can make it palatable
to white audiences. And you don't see that in anybody
else's art, like any other like white folks art, Like
when you're watching white people's piece, if you're watching Wes Anderson,
you're getting the you know, the alabaster of the alabaster,
the creme de la creme, you know what I mean.
No one's saying, like West, too many colors, Wes uh,
too many tiny chess, you know, like symmetrical right, whatever

(48:28):
we was feels his whiteness needs to express. He's allowed
to do that. However, if it's brown and black folks,
then it's like, well, we don't get this reference or
I mean, Gerard Klimachel left the Car Michael Show because
they wouldn't let him release episodes about police brutality and
about stuff that he really wanted to talk about. Then
they just kept censoring him. And I've experienced that on
shows that I was on where we were talking about

(48:49):
I was the one black girl in a friend group
and we were talking about the police and they immediately
are way more aggressive to me in the scene and
the white exacts red and we're like, we don't understand
why this black girl's character. Why would the cops be
so aggressive towards her? And we were like, cause because
she's she's black. Like they're like no, but the cop
has no reason to do that. It's like they still

(49:09):
think that way, and they put it on us, and
it's like, come on, now, you've seen all these videos
of us dying, and white people love a slave movie.
They love a good old black trauma porn that they
can just like skirt up and down the oscars some
with some good old savior behavior. Yeah, savior behavior like
you said. And I don't even watch those things anymore.
And it's kind of like that get that meme of

(49:32):
the girl who's drinking the soda and she's like hey,
Like so it's like when I when I see an
ad for a black trauma porn movie, I'm not I'm
not interested. When I see an audition, I'm like, maybe
I gotta go get my lupeto on. I don't want to,
but that's the industry that I live in. Those are
the choices that I have. I gotta go get beat
on and like a slave so I can so I

(49:53):
can give me some some cloud. It is so sad
because like I think that, like you know, we all
make the jokes about like white people was asking us
did you see it? Get out and we got to
ask them, did you see it? Because it feels like
you're not changing anything about your behavior to us based
on that, and it is that And I think it's like,
what's even more insidious. I think that, like what people

(50:15):
don't really fully realize about what needs to change in
Hollywood is the thing that we're learning. We we know
about world history. Everything in world history is people refusing
to give up power and people like, oh that no power, cool,
we take it everything your heads mom g Like that's
what it is. And I think in Hollywood, like we
don't it doesn't need to be a violent transfer of power.
It literally is like we're giving you this power. And

(50:36):
I think that it can't just be the one black
person in the room. It can't be just two, because
you need to and as a former teacher, you need
to build scaffolding, something to like hold onto so that
like they can unders like we can feel like we
can communicate with each other and have some sort of power.
And I think that is a fear that a lot
of white Republicans have in this world, and a lot
of white people on the right, but also on the left.

(50:58):
It's like there's a lot of people who ang themselves
to be at the front of black movements, who are
white allies, And I'm like, why are you at the
front unless you're depending me from a cop out of protest.
It's it's okay to not be the forefront. And I
know plenty of people who may not think of it
that way, but that's how we perceive it. But then
on top of that, there's a culture of silence where
we're not allowed to talk about this stuff because we

(51:19):
know it could be our career. And I think that
in this moment, so many people are talking about it
because we have so much frustration that is from everything.
Also we've all been cooped up for like three months,
but like there's so much frustration from everything, and you know,
media pieces like thirteen and when they see a shout
out ava and Watchman, Like, these are all stories that

(51:39):
black people really know and white people don't. I think
that's put in improv terms shout out UCB, but not really. Um,
it's we don't have the same based reality, and we're
coming into a scene where we the white based reality
is supposed to be the subjective truth, but we know
it's been whitewash and spun to be something else. And
even in the movies that you say, oh, this is
about black people, like, go, what's the movie Hidden Figures?

(52:02):
Then my man was breaking down that bathroom side and
I'm like, yeah, the funk added here that they did
not knock down no goddamn, but hey, they're gonna go
to the go to the bathroom over there. That's that's
how it went down. It's like, it's not and that's
the stuff. It's like there's still this positioning of like
the framing of white goodness and redemption and innocence, where
in reality we know that's not how it is historically.

(52:22):
And the fact that like people can just post a
black square and be quiet that brought out everyone's frustration
and anger because we on the inside know that this
is not how it is, and we felt we've had
to hold it in because if we want that ship out,
it's a pack up for our life, our career. And
there's an insidiousness to like the way that you know,
whiteness makes blackness threatening at the drop of a hat

(52:46):
and the smallest instance and and that is policing. That's
the tone police block that I was talking about. That
is all that stuff. And like even with j Cole
no name, like it's coming from inside the house too,
like that that sort of white supremacist thought is still
like oh yeah, black woman, quite your ship down, Like
what we There's so much that needs to be unpacked

(53:07):
and undone. I think that's the beauty of like what's
coming out of this movement, not just for Hollywood but
for the world about you know, police abolishment and prison abolishment,
because it's like we need to like strip this ship
and we need to like fix things. But it requires
us all to like de center ourselves and center equity
in a certain way. White people are not good at that.
There's like, what do you need me to do? Money? Cool?

(53:28):
And that we need infrastructure, we need power, and that
requires people who get into these positions the you know,
people are doing about the East rays, the Donald lovers,
the avas who are doing these things to like pay
it forward and recenter the people who are at the
most vulnerable within our own black community as well, And
that is something that has to start up at AD

(53:49):
execs and development execs go to showrunners, to writers to writers,
assistance to assistance to craft down to a crafty here
in Hollywood Reporter before COVID Hit and the Oscars edition,
talking about the disparities when it comes to people who
even know how to do black makeup and hair, Like,
I don't think white people realize that we get up

(54:10):
every single day and we just face abuse every day
and when you're quiet, because we're like, well, these con
edison don't care that this white later was mean to me.
So I'm just gonna have to take it on the
chain because I gotta pay my fucking bills and they
don't get that. And you know, it was super disappointing
to me to in l A seven h six. I'm
gonna put you all on blast again to hear from

(54:31):
the seven or six and this is not the people
of color who work within seven or six. Shout out
to y'all because y'all are fighting so hard to get jobs,
and it's such a I know it's a hard space,
but um, I heard that people in the meetings read
the Hollywood Reporter and wanted to boycott the Hollywod Reporter.
And we're talking about all the great things that they
were doing for black women in hair and makeup and
the programs that they had. And I said, so, if
this is what you're the problem you have, right, I'm

(54:53):
an actress, I work. I'm not famous at this moment,
but I'm employed. And but you have Taggi p Henson,
you have got real union, you have Natasha wroth Wall,
you have actions who have been in the game for
decades telling you the same thing. And instead of being
like wow, if they're still saying it's a problem, maybe
we aren't doing enough, or maybe what we're doing isn't working.
But instead there's that white fragility that hops in that

(55:14):
centers yourself and make sure makes it all about you
and how you feel when people are hurting. And that's
like if you went to the doctor and you're like doctor,
like I'm bleeding. The doctors like, okay, that's not my fault,
So so what who's faults? So who falts why I
didn't run the knife into you. It's like help me.

(55:35):
I'm asking you to help me about you. Yeah, that's
the ugly part where it's just like you pull up
somewhere and it's it's the meme again. I keep talking
to memes. I'm sorry, my brain is fundamentally broke by
the enemy. But if it's that ship where Eric Andre
stutting Hannibal and be like, why would you make me
do that? And I'm like, no, it don't. It don't
gotta be this way. I literally just need you to

(55:56):
like change these things. And one thing that got taken
out of the article goal for world count because it
was near three thousands, but because I had so much
to say. There's just so much to unpack, but like
I need to make it a cohesive story. Shadow editors,
is that like you can't arrive like five years late
to class and then be like alright, page one, Black
lives Matter, Like you you gotta you've gotta come in

(56:19):
and realize that you are not leading the movements, you
are contributing to it. And I think that there's a
skewing in our media the way that the world looks
at like the different oppressions that it seems like things
are one to one, whereas everything is so complicated. It's
not just men versus women. It's not just black men
white woman, it's not white women black, it's all of

(56:40):
the things connected. And if you start intersecting it all
the day down the bottom, when you start realizing who
is the least protected. And we're talking about this the
other day, Lacey and I just like specifically, it's trickled
down justice. It's just trickle down justice. And it's like,
we're gonna break the glass ceiling. We're gonna come back
and get you. Has that happened, like at the moment
that black white people are like, well, I'm tapped out.
I donated to fifteen and fucking organizations. I'm exhausted. Yeah, exactly.

(57:04):
That ship and I talked about it all time, Race
Time continuum. You see it like, oh my god, I'm
so upset. What we're gonna do? All right, we fixed it,
and then you go right back down that little curb
and race time listen. I think, and that's the thing.
The only reason that I have any sort of like
quotable means and stuff like that that I'm good at
talking about this is that I've done this my entire life,
and I've tried to explain it in every way to

(57:26):
people who are not trying to change, and now we're
not going to let you. And I think that it's
it starts with, you know, the safety of black people
in Hollywood, and that requires the scaffolding at all different levels.
But then it also comes with like the rejection of
white mediocrity in the face of black people who work
their entire goddamn lives to have the most stacked IMDb,

(57:47):
the most stacked credits, the most stacked like writing samples,
and they pull up and they're like, oh, yeah, this
is Keith from Costco. You might have written on fifteen
different oscar A or uh nominated movies, but we just
found him and he was, you know, you know, buying exactly,
and he was in Costco at the time. Showrunner like
load a bunch of dog food into his car exactly,

(58:09):
and he made a funny dog food joke and the
guy was like, Hey, you want to be in a
writer's room. And that's not to say that there aren't
many talented white writers, but what you guys have to
understand is and and this is where like, I find
myself trying to incentivize white folks because I just know
that they wish they had more empathy in their hearts.
But many it's just about them. So I'm like, look,
you can sleep better if you do these things for

(58:30):
black people and then you know you're not the bad guy.
You just keep doing those things and thank you so much.
Or like white folks who have worked really hard for
the things that they have, it's not that we don't
know you exist. The issues is that you don't realize like,
for as much as you've ever had to work, we've
had to work harder. And it's not But we're not
saying that to say that we're better than you were
saying that, to say that you got to work and
you didn't have to get followed home by the police.

(58:52):
You got to work, and you didn't have to quietly
deal with your first a d putting his hands on
you on set. You got to work, and when you
spoke up and said that, hey, I'm getting sick, they
didn't make you work in the freaking woods until you
had to go to the hospital. You got to work
and you didn't have to you know what I mean.
And these are my personal experiences that I just listened
off in Hollywood where like people I've had been putting

(59:14):
their hands on me to the point where I had
to be like, please stop. And I was supposedly the
most important actress, their number one on the culture, and
I had a d break his fall on me on
set tripped and grabbed me to break his fall. Could
you imagine being on a set where anybody worked on
that set and and Nicole came in or any other
the delicate white woman and then you saw like a

(59:34):
gaff or like, whoo, if I'm tripping, let me grab
on a Nicole so I could so I don't fall
to the ground. What what I just know? Like this
is what we're talking about. We're not trying to take
away from the fact that you've worked hard for your
the things that you own, but do know that we
are surviving one every day that we get up and
then we're doing twice three times as much work just

(59:56):
to be considered for a tokenized position. Yeah, and on
top of that, just as people the most vulnerable in
the world that feel like we aren't, we don't have
even access to these stories because when they're like all right,
we want to make this movie about how you know
we're gonna have it's gonna be a parallel universe. It's
gonna be you, Nicole Kidman, and it's a d is
gonna fall on you. And then they'll somehow like erase

(01:00:18):
you from the story. They'll somehow like, you know, somehow
it was lazy. But now they've made that person shades
four teen shades lighter and they're actually being played by
Lena Dunham, and you're exactly, you know, we we we
know our roster, you know what I'm saying. So it's
like there's this sort of like keep calm and carry
on mentality, not to get the UK, but like it

(01:00:39):
is this racism where it's like white people are like,
all right, it's all good, and like what we're gonna
fight racism until you gotta like look within. And I
think that we're we all need to look within two
if we want to control make any sort of transformative
change in hospital in Hollywood, it requires an internal look,
something that like black people have had to do to survive.

(01:00:59):
Because we need to talk. I need to talk to
Lazy to tell her, like this is what happened. So
I feel crazy. It is and I think that, you know,
I never want to like, you know, co opt abuse language,
but these are power dynamics and they intersect. Once you
talk about race and gender and you know, sexual orientation,
gender expression, it's like it's so very layered and complicated

(01:01:22):
and it can't just be a post on Twitter. It
can't be a post on because like people been out
here posting on Twitter, posting on Instagram, getting dragged, whole
whole organizations being like we stand for Black Lives Matter,
and all the black people be like this you and
it's like every single time that happens, I'm like, we yeah,
we know, this is exactly what it is. Every single
fucking time. It's like we people want to look good

(01:01:44):
rather than do good. And I think that when it
comes to ally Ship, we need to do the good
and we need the receipts because you know that black
people got there's against you, and I think that, like
we also need to allow people to grow and change.
I'm a I'm a teacher, so like you know, I thought,
like I said in the article, if I'm getting sick
of people, you know, my patience is to run dry.
I taught twelve year olds man then niggas was roasting

(01:02:06):
my shout out, uh roasting me. So it's like, um,
I'm tired, I'm exhausted. And if I'm tired, then I
know that somebody has to deal with the intersection of
being a woman like lazy also is exhausted, and somebody
who's queer is definitely exhausted. Somebody who's fat in this
industry to fucking exhausted, somebody who's not siss like. It's

(01:02:26):
it's like there's so many layers and it requires not
centering of just a group, of centering of just like
an equity mind. And I think that there's a lot
of white people who walk into a room and they
see a bunch of white people and they say, don't
they don't see anything wrong, and that is a problem.
True words. All right, let's take a quick break and
we'll be right back. And we're back. Uh, let's just

(01:02:56):
really quick. I just want to point out to this
piece in the New York Times, and like last week
it was talking the author of Salt Sugar, Fat Um,
like the book was like fantastics, basically talking about like
this systematic poisoning of us through all these processed foods
we eat in these combinations that are having just the
worst effects on our health, but are being like, yo,
but this is how we get people to buy it

(01:03:17):
because it tastes good and yeah, fun funk the health effects.
Um so I'm not gonna fault his tone as he
like talks about how like excited food makers are, but
it is kind of funny. So it seems like right
now a lot of the processed food industry is basically like,
oh shit, like we're back, Like the pandemic has brought
the like the just comfort food, junk food eating, uh

(01:03:40):
you know, wave right back. And a lot of people,
I think myself included, I was being very like, no,
I don't need to eat this ship. I don't need
to eat just like straight up sugar stuff, Like I
can be a little more mindful to keep my internal
processes running optimally. But now a lot of people, you know,
in the pandemic, we're in our homes, we are basically

(01:04:02):
finding out that like we like to snack more like
it's just what it is we're grazing now. And basically
now there's a lot of these food makers saying like,
holy sh it, like snacking has come back, Like snacking
is like the is the wave right now. But I
think depending on how you are. I think I think
I find myself in the category of like eating junk

(01:04:22):
food just purely to be comfortable. That's it. Like right
now I find myself being like, hey, dude, I need
fucking ice cream. I need to eat a whole sleeve
of oreoles like in one go, just because at times
it helps with other things. Um. But then I think
the other thing is like a lot of people don't
have like the knowledge, wealth, or discipline to stay on
a healthy diet. So I don't know how anyone could

(01:04:45):
be like expected to consider those things, especially when right
now we're kind of like in this slow motion societal collapse.
But apparently people are loving can't soup right now? They're
not your life is over, can't right now? Slap progressive?

(01:05:07):
I think what it is obviously because it's the easiest
ship to make, you know what I mean, good baby.
I think it's only I think they're jumping the gun
of it. I think that's like people being like mass
up back baby. Everybody wants Ppe. Everyone's gona with Ppe
for the next tim twenty years, baby, like you have to.

(01:05:27):
I think they need to realize the time that we're
in because camp suit does slap, and people were getting
it because it doesn't expire and they didn't know how
long it would be until their next grocery store trips.
So it's kind of wild to me that people are
like extracting that from the narrative and being like, we
got them where we want them cooked. Yeah, because like
General Mills, their cereals jump like and like waffles and

(01:05:49):
they're like, oh, here we go. Dam I should have
got stuck in Ego. Damn it just coming up off
the Ego dollars. You get those Eggo checks in the
mail right now? No, no, he let go my motherfucking ego,
Like you'd be out here trying to pay big coronavirus
and get your Eggo money to stay up. Like, like,
soup is wild to me because I'm like, yo, there's

(01:06:10):
no like, okay, I'm not gonna slander soup. I'm I'm
a autute of the soup community. I want to be clear.
I'm just saying that, Like, there's no way that someone
looked at those numbers. It goes like super is in.
We gotta get this soup ship going. There's like listen,
it's like the scientists at the AMC, like there's nobody
looking at those numbers and saying that, like soup is
what is in? And I don't know. I don't also

(01:06:32):
to say that it's in. You know what I'm saying,
like like can's like a survival food is not in?
Who means that we're trying to survive? That is all
that is dry spaghetti man and we're back, We're back
on his head is like retire. But if I'm back
in the game now, all that kitschy astronaut food, they're

(01:06:52):
like everybody buying I camping food ice cream. Yeah. The
other thing is but a lot of people like six
and ten adults in this other a we're cooking a
lot of their meals from scratch, which is really interesting.
So I think some people took the time to just
be like I got so much time, like ship carrots
are cheap, Okay, maybe I can do something with this. Um.
But the other thing that's really interesting is like how

(01:07:14):
the sort of pendulum broke down in different ways. UM.
One of the biggest things was for people who said,
like one in four people said they were eating more
salty and sugary snacks and this this like category of
people was dominated by the eighteen to twenty nine demographic, which,
like back in were the same people who were like

(01:07:34):
I'm off this ship, Like I'm off this processed food.
So we've had to come. It's interesting to see that
just in these times, like yeah, there is a certain
amount that we just it's comfortable to maybe do less work,
to cook and just eat something that reminds us of
childhood when we didn't know about, you know, how deep
systemic racism was, or a pandemic or capital And I

(01:07:56):
feel like if a Scooby Doo snacks box could talk,
you'd be like, ah, see a bitch come and crawling back?
What job a caudle toast? Now? I dare you? Dare you?
What's the wildest snack like journey you've gone on in
this pandemic? Like in terms of volume, I ate one
and a half points of ice cream in one city.

(01:08:17):
I definitely had a Hogendas moment and then and I'm
not a snacker like I'll eat once a day, um,
which is very trifling. Oh you do that big, one
big meal. You're one of those one big kill honey.
It's not working for me. One big pizza, one big
ice cream, one big wine. We're having one big wine. Okay,

(01:08:38):
a big wine tonight, Roman. Who but listen, I drink
my wine out of a flower vase. What of it? Okay?
I didn't know goop dot com had a black division,
right they do? Gwyn is this now? She's like, this
is what my vagina tastes like. It tastes like shard, guys,

(01:09:00):
which is what you would imagine it would taste like. No,
but I think yeah. I bought the mini miniature hagging
dozzes because I got to the point where I was like, okay, Lace,
you can't eat a pint and a half of ice
cream because I actually kind of did the same thing
that you did. I'm trying to think if there's anything, Oh,
you know what I did. I got peanut butter, honey,

(01:09:21):
and I the chunky stop peanut butter. I microwaved it
and then I put a little salt on top and
I ate that with a spoon. Whoa wait, do you
smoke weed fucking hot bowl of honey peanut butter? That's
that fucking loud? God damn. Like when I was in college,

(01:09:48):
my roommates in the kitchen or I'm like, hey, what's
you're making? Man? Can with creativity? I will yield the
rest of my time if it me just Lacey makes
that right now and eats it and tells his dead
ass with her chest that ship is delicious. It wasn't
too hot. It was just like it was just nice
and loose, so like you could take. Yeah, it was

(01:10:10):
loose and the little salt to it and had the
honey aspect. It was savor. It was sweet, it was
and I ate it out of a coffee mug. Alright,
what about your mama? Um? I yield my time? What
the funk? Like? What like? I mean, like you know,

(01:10:31):
first off, I think what's wild is that like pandemic
hit first few weeks good, still working out and got
a good schedule going. I'm out here like cooking. Uh,
I make a pasta, make rice and make westh African
feel like yasa and stuff like that. And I was
doing that and then Ramadan hit, and Ramadan was like
good for your bank account because you're like, you can't
buy a lot, you can eat one today, so like

(01:10:51):
that's good. But then it just clapped me because I
just now I'm back to eating like one today or
doing the snacking thing that you're talking about, and of
course every everything is going on, you know, protests sort
of this trauma. I'm having a stressful reaction and I'm
not eating and I'm trying to remember to do that.
But like but like I'm out here like eating like
little like things from Modego's of watermelon, I got pretzels.

(01:11:11):
I'll get like chips and salsa a lot, and I'll
eat that. I did not eat one and a half
pints of ice cream, but I keep buying the same
strawberry cheesecake. Bed and Jerry's are woke allies in the
dairy revolution, and like, yeah, I've been just like trying
to drink a lot of water and stuff. Like most
of my plants for eating have been budgetary as opposed

(01:11:35):
to like, you know, I just need a snack. And
even now I'm looking over here, I got my little
snack like a little like nonperishable corner, and it's like
I'm I could I keep forgetting to eat, so I'm
never like making a meal or as Lacey knows, I'll
be like she'd be like, hey, what's going on, And
it's like it's like did you eat and I'm like, huh,
that's right. I didn't eat all day. And that's why

(01:11:55):
I'm talking, because you know you'll be tired. You'd be like,
why am I tired, and you're like, huh. I love
Syria ice cream. There's one from Cool House. There's just
like cereal milk. I was as an ice cream and
it's no, it's like just it's like as if it
were the bottom of a bowl of frosted flakes, yo,
except it's ice cream that I killed that book. I've

(01:12:20):
faced a blunt and I ate those. That's when I
have my pint and have for revolution. Okay, boy, that
sounds busting. Yeah, if you can find anywhere that's doing that,
I'm just saying try, because I've seen it a few places.
I think that's like the honestly, the next wave of
like cool flavors of like no, you know, fucking cereal
milk though that with like a swirl of Syris. That's nostalgia.

(01:12:42):
I one. I'm tired of reboots. I'm tired of everyone
using samples on music. I just want like snacks like that.
That's like one that's like ice cream, but it's like
it's the paper from a cupcake that you get from
a kid's birthday or sugar cookies that you used to
get holidays. You know what he wants to sit in
on of Walmart. Yeah, it's just that it's literally just

(01:13:03):
a box of sugar. But we need to go obscure,
Like that's why I like cereal milk, cupcake, paper pizza,
greasy paper plate. Like yeah, when you're kind of like,
you know, like I'm gonna dip my crust in this
pool right here, I think I think I might just
you know, my elbows, little ask you might like listen,
you know what, if you can't admit your faults, then

(01:13:25):
who the funk are you? You know what I'm saying,
Like sometimes you'll be seeing that pizza be greasy and
you're like, you let me pat it down the paper talelt.
People know that I'm trying to be healthier. But if
there's a little grease on there and your elbows look
like they lack and you can't cover them, get a
little greasy. M there. There you words of wisdom with
mama that survival tips for coronavirus. Yeah, Mama, dude, thank
you so much for stopping by the dailies. Like, guys, man,
I really appreciate it. Happy junteenth man even though it's Monday,

(01:13:47):
but recording this on Juneteenth, but will respect the sanctity
of the holiday that apparently Donald Trump made famous, which
he came through. What what wait? Tell me y'all saw
Milannia's Juneteenth video from waver Why she shoot that ship
from She was like, all right, y'all shoot me in

(01:14:08):
this I'm gonna be in this building. Y'all shoot me
from outside? Wait? What is that the one she's Angela
Davis or something. No, It's like she has a video
where she's hold It almost looks like she's in like
Ace music video, like where they are shooting her from
super far away and she's like, hand, oh it's bad,
and they shot they shot that from three range, bro,

(01:14:31):
Like that ship is all the way back and it
looks mad Wine whoever directed that was like, you know what,
let's get everything we can in this shot. And there's
nothing in that room but Milannie in a chair and
it does look wild formation like I it's wild. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
damn bro, it's wild that like And also like the

(01:14:52):
presidents on Twitter, you know out here just like shooting
wild threats out to people's like, Hey, just so you know,
if you come to TUSA on the tweed, it is
like it won't be like these protests and stuff are like, bro,
what are you gonna do? Like, I don't know if
it's it's it's what those you know, charged up white
people do who think, you know, nine anti foes are
about to pull up? Uh yeah, yeah, what do I mean?

(01:15:12):
That's like the other information wave. It's so funny to watch,
Like thank god my parents on like aren't on that
Facebook ship, but there are so many of my friends
who are like I don't know what the funk happened to,
like my mom or dad mom. Where can people find
you and follow you? Um? First off, stop looking for
me a second. You can find me on Twitter at

(01:15:33):
Mama do and g I m A m o U
d o U N d I A y e. And
you can find me on Instagram at Mama Do about nothing,
m A m o U d o U about nothing.
And I have a partnership with Color of Change where
we create a partnership where we're trying to find a
way to talk about social justice through comedy. Uh, and

(01:15:53):
that's gonna be coming out soon. So look out for
bias for us cool? Uh? And what is it? Is
there a tweet or the work of social media that
you like? Do you want to shout out? Oh man,
listen Alaskan carl One, you know who you are, Like
we all became the nigga eating beans. Uh, so we
feel like you're pain Like, shout out to my man.

(01:16:14):
As I read that shion when I was a teacher
still and I was like, damn, I love black teenagers
so much. Yeah, protect them, Protect every single fucking black
child out there, because yo, y'all are dumb. Funny to
black Zoom, the black gen Z kids, gen Z, It's
like so funny. We're just saying, like, shout out to
gen Z man. Like even when you're roasting us, I'm like,

(01:16:35):
this is fucking great, Like I love it. This is
how this is not. White people feel like comedy sos
and black people be like yeah, white people like, yeah,
I did tell a cop. I didn't know I couldn't
do that. I am. I am a griffin door oh man, lazy?
Where can people find you and follow you? What's a

(01:16:55):
tweet that you like? Guys? Always you can find me
at D I V A L A C I Dva
Lacey on all platforms. If you love scams, robbery and fraud,
listen to Scam Goddess if you haven't listened that. The
most recent episode is Me and Miles and its super fun.
Shoutouts of culture for writing us up about it. And

(01:17:16):
if you if you bank with TD Bank, I'm sorry.
We dragged you all a lot. And apparently y'all love
banks and y'all need to let that go. We talked
about capitalism. Let that bank love and go that bank.
Don't love you back, that bank, don't love you back,
don't do it. Don't do it. And unless that bank,
unless that bank is then you ride shotgun and lean
that front seat all the way back. Right then maybe
that bank, Yeah, we're talking about fifth third Bank. By

(01:17:39):
the way, a fifth third I can't um. And then
it's a real which if you guys have been listening
this week, Steve Fernandez is on the show. This is
pin tweet and I found it so funny. He said, Damn,
it wouldn't have even occurred to me to say eat too, brute.
I would have just been screaming. Even the colors under

(01:18:05):
this tweet are so funny because people are like historians
are debating whether he said E two brute or yo.
I love that people can like look at these big
historical works of art and completely dismantled them with one
cent of characters and it's so fucking funny to be Yeah,

(01:18:28):
if I was being stabbed, I definitely wouldn't have any
cutting remarks. Oh my god. Also, you in the middle
of before um and mad Nigga is just surrounding you
and they ain't talking suscribs me if you're just like
listen to tweet. I like one is from at Hakeim Jefferson.
This is about Junete says Juneteenth exists because slavery existed.

(01:18:50):
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separated from children, women raped, people brutally murdered, all in
service of building empire. As we engage the smart reads
about what today means, let us not forget this simple fact. Uh,
And I think that's just very powerful And that's what

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that's what it is, that's what we're talking. It's because
of how fucked up everything was that we're saying, oh,
we are no longer in bondage. Really just simple, but yes,
please remember that that's that's what we're trying to escape.
I think that people mistake emancipation with true liberation and
freedom because we're not there yet. We're not there, and

(01:19:31):
people also look, let us go and gave us an exact,
gave us all right, go over there and go. Do
you work for free your whole life? But now we're
Your freedom is your payment for this big gass house
you live in. That's off the strength of all the crops.
I was, I don't know, I can't. I can't read,

(01:19:53):
but now you can. You can. Don't worry about you
don't gotta read. No one gotta read the future. No
one reads. Just what I'm saying. Yeah, Like on Friday's episode,
that's the set can dairy dehumanization that black people have
to go through, any colonized enslaved person has to go through.
Is not just the first part of enslavement where your
body and bland and everything else is just desecrated. But
then after the pursuit of dignity and liberation is the

(01:20:16):
next fucking layer of trauma that people have to go through.
That's what I think people need to realize. That's step
two after bondage is then having to reclaim your humanity
and that's what that process is not finished. Yeah, and
I think that people just need to realize that, like
it wasn't like an unpaid internship, like it was like
chattel slavery like niggas was to people, and then then

(01:20:38):
they were three fifths of a person just to serve
white voters and now like total college abolishing, burn it
down like a target. Yeah. But yeah, I think people
need to understand, like that's the truth of that sort
of situation and we stop being so glib about it.
And like when we see these slave movies, that's it
can't just be like oh wow slave, like stop saying
you're aware of Slavery's aware of slavery like to happen,

(01:21:02):
right and last my last week I like is at
from at our Money on the score bliss It says
fake laughing with customers is a real skill. Uh, and
that fucking hit if anybody has had to fucking yeah, wow,
you are crazy. So yeah, somebody take the mal back

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(01:22:11):
So if you're curious about the song, we're gonna go
right out on. I think I want to do one
from fellow Kutie, who is you know, the god m
C of Afrobeat UM and his album Zombie is I
think one of a fantastic protest album, UM and talking
about the mindlessness of military forces to basically do whatever

(01:22:31):
the bidding is of the hegemonic class, like zombies. You say,
go there, go there, you shoot them, you shoot them? UM.
And this is from that album. I think most people
know Zombie, but another track on there that I really
love is called mr Follow Follow, which is about the
same thing, about just the mindless allegiance some people have
the certain things doesn't that doesn't necessarily have to be
to the military or whatever could be the ideology and

(01:22:53):
things like that. And I think it's important that we
we also make sure we are not mr follow follows
or miss follow follows, or for non binary people, we're
just not follow follow people. You know what I mean
That we're cutting our own way and we have purpose
and that purpose is equality and inclusive. Okay, well listen
to that. Thanks so much for listening. We'll be back
later to day to tell you what's trending. U. Peace

(01:23:15):
and blessings of all love you bybe Luke use y'all.
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