Is It Mueller Time? Space Jam Save Us 2.25.19

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, hello the Internet. Welcome to season seventy one, Episode
one of the Daily Zeitgeist podcast, where we take a
deep dive into America's shared consciousness and maybe sometimes subconsciousness.
It's Monday, February. My name is Myles Gray a k A.
Lay Lady Gray. Okay, thank you so much for that
short one from at sltis Hannah for that one, and

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I am pleased to be joined once again by my
guest co host for the last week holding it down
in Jack's absence, Miss Jamie loftis Jamie Lee. You know
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I could take down the world and that's an issue.
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who and who blessed you with that? Ak once again
is at just t d Z A K. It's really
the go to sort of thing. I know you came
in he was like that account. It's really been a
godsend they have. Yeah, and on this the last day
of you know, Jackie is going to be released from
the woods a lot back on the show, right, So
thank go out with the bank. Yeah, well, we are

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pleased to be joined in studio whe our guests today.
I mean, how many hats can I say that this
person wears? Right now? Are the author, composer, podcaster, icon?
Please welcome Jessica Harper. Wow, I love icon. Yes, I'm
one of those like, well, hey, well welcome, you are
the icon. I love it. Jessica. How are you? I'm good? Yeah,

(01:33):
thanks for coming by. Oh I'm so happy to be here.
We're so to have you. And you got a Independent
Spirit award recently. Yeah, yes, over the weekend. Correct, it
was the the Robert Altman Award for the Best Ensemble
right for Suspiria, for Suspiria The New, the Latest, Amazing.

(01:57):
I want to ask you the tired question that I
think I've seen your answer in every interview. It's like,
what is it like doing the first one and now
the second one? Or what's the difference? To ask me
that question? Response the boiler plate is it was great
both times. Did you like one over the other? No?
But they were very, very different. I loved both of them,
loved but I love the first one because I was

(02:20):
a because I was in Italy for four months. What's
not to like? About that working with this brilliant director
and just learning to speak Italian and and and ending
up in this Iconics being a icons movie that New
was going to over the next forty years morph into
the you know, so called one of the greatest horror
movies of all time. And then I got to be

(02:41):
in another Suspiria, which it seemed like a miracle, the
whole thing to me. And then I got to work
with Luca Guadanino and the what he's incredible, Well you
know you've seen, yes, others of his movies, Um call
me by your name. That particularly stands out in my
mind right now, right, and um, you know, he's just
he's also a brilliant director, and he really just let

(03:04):
it fly on this right, and even got Tom York
to do some work and to New York. I got
to hang with Tom York in Venice. Wait, he was
on site. He was yeah, well this was at the
Venice Film Festival. So it was all like looks and
riding around the boats and I got to hang with
Tom York. That was the what most people who know
me were the most impressed by that, like asking you

(03:26):
and planning like is he shy? Yeah? I need to know.
Did he dance a lot? He tell us a little
more about your podcast as well. I'd i'd love to
brag on. My podcast is called Winnetka. It's now now
an episode today is episode five, and uh, it's a
childhood memoir actually, so you know, and it took me

(03:51):
three years to make it. I interviewed my family members,
so it's like it's like, you know, a memoir that
has the voices of the characters in the memoir speaking
to you. And it also has a lot of original
music in it, so it's it's very musical as well.
And um, it's like what happened when you grew up?
And we're not go Illinois in the fifties and sixties, right, Okay, Well,

(04:11):
let's talk about that a little bit later, because I
have so many questions about that. Before we get to
know you a little bit better, Let's first talk about
what we're gonna be talking about. Little preview. Turns out
that the Nazi congressman Steve King is not going anywhere
he said he's gonna run again. We're gonna talk about
a little bit of controversy around the times up CEOs resignation. Uh,

(04:34):
some good news about space jam. Finally, uh, talk a
little bit about the Muther Report. I know we haven't
talked a lot about it, so we'll, you know, we'll
condense that all to catch everybody up to speed about
what we know so far. Adam Schiff, you know, calling
out his co workers on the other side of the island,
telling them to man the funk up if possible, as

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well as some other things good and dark, like any
day dealing with the news bag this. Yeah, but first, Jessica,
what is something from your search history that might reveal
a little bit about who you are? Well? I that happens.
I was looking up. I was googling the word safe.

(05:16):
Do you know what that is? Like? As if you're satisfied? No,
like say say okay. Now this is a much more
sophisticated words. How do you spell okay? S E? I
c h E. The reason I was looking it up
was because it's it's a story in my podcast about
a sage and I had to confirm some facts because
my brother was challenging me on these facts. Anyway, So

(05:37):
I was looking it up last night. So here's what
a sage? Okay. So, uh, when I was like four
years old and when ut Illinois. We were we ever,
we spent all our summers romping on the beach. Right,
we're right on Lake Michigan. We go down the beach.
We spent all the summers there in the water. Well,
one day we were told to get the hell off
the beach and go home and stay there. For two days,
we couldn't go near the beach, and we were told

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there was this giant wave that was going to sweep
the beach. It's like a safe is Lake Michigan's tepid
version of a tsunami. It's not like the one in Thailand.
It's a little bit smaller because it's a lake. And
if something scientific happens, I don't know what that is.
I'm not bill Ny, but what happened. So there was

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this giant wave that that that swept the beach. It
killed eight fishermen, no serious business. And then, uh, you know,
so a couple of days later we were still a
little kids and we don't know what what the hell.
Go down to the beach and it's covered with this
incredible detritus, like gnarly ship, this green stuff. And then

(06:41):
there was a lampshade, and then there was and that
I remember particularly there was this giant fish on the
beach that was the size of my babysitter. You know,
it was like we had a big round babysit. And
I thought, all these summers I've been swimming in the
lake and this ship anyway, so that was what I
was googling. Well, wow, I'm I'm confusing like food, Like, yeah,

(07:08):
it's a lake. Yeah it sounds it sounds poetic, it's
very cool. People don't know about it though, they don't
never heard of a station. That's what we like to
do is bring satial awareness. It's it's yeah, it's my
goal learning all the time. What is something you think
is underrated? You know, I think the Midwest in general
is under it. There you go. You know, people refer

(07:28):
to that that cluster of states is flyover states, right
like they fly from Easter. They don't even look down
from the plane. Don't have been bought. So I would
like to encourage people to look down and notice actually
what goes up They we have, I say weak as
I grew up there. We have good cheese, there's lots
of good meat products which I don't eat, but I'm

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glad to know they're there. There's like, look from down
from the plane, there's lakes and stuff. And by the way,
they have these state fairs where you can go and
purchase deep fried everything. Oh yeah, the thing. I grew
up in California, so I I obsess over Midwest state
fair food and on the show regularly whenever, like I'll

(08:14):
comb like the local news or news websites for like
Idaho or Iowa or whatever to see what's going on,
and we talk about We're like, okay, it's time for
our like state fair food round up because it's such
a it's its own place, and I love I think
people are very kind, at least the experiences I've had
in Nebraska and Iowa, like Ohio, they are really nice.

(08:37):
Maybe a little racist, but really yeah, hey, look they're
not racist the flaws right there. The Midwest is one
of my favorite areas to perform in, where when I
started doing shows there, I was nervous because of the
whole like flyover state mentality, But like to this day,
Fort Wayne, Indiana is like my favorite cat. Isn't that

(08:58):
that's the place where the airb and be you were,
like you and your airbnb host became friends. Was that
in Fort Wayne. Yeah, the guy who was like the
president of Gays for Guns or what like. It's just
like you find the wildest, most interesting characters. They're like,
I don't know in Fort Wayne and we've got Gays
for Guns. They've got Gays for Guns in Fort Wayne.
They've got a great comedy club, just all sorts of stuff.

(09:19):
I didn't know about. Awesounds. I mean, we should have
go fund means for people to take bring us out
to their They're they're part of the Midwest. Yeah, because
I'm fascinated by it personally, Like just again because I
just grew up in l A. I've always been like
I want to go to their Yeah. I had such
a coastal upbringing that it's just it's like it's cool

(09:40):
and it's like a part of the country and I
didn't know much about before. It's full of cool, mysterious stuff,
like they have satis. Yeah. Uh. And what if something
you think is overrated, Well, given what just went down
this weekend, I but I mean, you know, the askers

(10:03):
on the other hand, But on the other hand, I
feel like everybody already feels like the awards are overrated,
that by makes them not actually overrated. But so then
I was thinking of maybe hot brownies are overrated. Well,
the reason I say that it is because of my

(10:24):
personal experience, because now everybody's so into edible and um
I had two experiences with pot brownies that were just devastating.
Really so when I first started my career, I wasn't
like I was in the cast of Hair on Broadway. Okay,
I know a lot of people right now. I don't
even remember something to tell you. It was a big

(10:46):
It was like the best. It was like the Hamilton
of his day. Right anyway, um So one day, one night,
or I'm doing the show and we're all wating to
get ready to do the show, and it's Keith Carroty
and was starring in the show at that point. Yeah,
this was a long time ago. And he comes, he

(11:08):
comes to the stage and he has I've got a
snack for everybody, and he starts handing around these brownies
and I'm so stupid. I just came out of Winnetka. Illa.
I don't know literally, you think you're just you're like, oh,
great brown So nice of you to do the baking, Keith. Right,
so Keith starts fasting, Oh that's really good. Can I

(11:28):
have another one? Keith? Anyway, everybody had him right and
but and they were so power you know in those days.
Actually they were hash browning rights. How she's still a thing? Yeah, well,
you know it's it's around, but it's slowly being phased out,
I think by modern stoner's with a more even more potent,
concentrated form of weed. So yeah, like yeah, I mean

(11:51):
Europe it's still big, you know, loves that was the
other time. I don't know anything. Thank you. I'm glad
you didn't entrap me. No, No, I'm just I'm just
bad at weed culture. I also can't handle Edi. I
can't well this. We all lost our minds. Everybody in
the cast of Hair was tripping right by the and
the current when we started singing Aquarius, and everybody was loosening.

(12:14):
On this stage, people have their backs to the audience.
So did that Was it a disastrous production or was
it more just like nerve wracking for the people on stage.
It was nerve wracking because you know it was like
the stage was tilting, you know, the ultimate trip, bad trip,
and uh so it was a nerve wracking for us.
I think the audience had absolutely no idea because they

(12:37):
were watching hair. I mean, everybody was supposed to be
stoned up right soft art imitating life or whatever. Well, yeah,
I think in a certain way. Whenever I've even made
like a brownie, it's always been too strong, and I've
never and I'm just not good at like regulating or moderating,

(12:58):
so I would just eat like a piece. I'm like, yeah,
this should be fine. Cut to me asleep in a
movie theater and like like one of the people working
like after like the movies over, and I'm like, oh, okay,
it's enjoy my depth. Perception gets very bad and then
I like the only I've only done it like two times,
but it both times there is an issue of like

(13:18):
you're standing very close to me, or like why are
you standing creep away? Like HI can't do it U. Finally,
what's a myth that you want to bust? Some people
get wrong? Okay, here's a myth that has been so
widely promoted that even Stephen Sondheim wrote a song about
this myth and even named that musical after it. Anyone

(13:42):
can whistle. Now, I am here to debunk that myth
right on your show. I can prove that that's not
that you cannot whistle. Right, here's my whistle there. Do
you hear anything there? I mean, even if I was
being generous like, oh there's a whisper, there's a little

(14:03):
bit of a I cannot. I think it's the tongue,
you know, that's that their steps, you know, the air
flows one and I mean, I feel like everyone has
the physical capability, but can everyone inherently whistle? I don't know.
I think it's a were you Was that something you've
aspired to do in your career? Yes? Actual, mostly it

(14:24):
was a dog related thing. I was, I can't do
the fingers in your mouth whistles, that one. I would
always like my dad used to act like he could
do it and would just spit all over the like
really be like like trying. I remember being at the
dog park and he would try and whistle for our
dog growing up, and he would like do this thing

(14:45):
with his fingers that didn't look to me like how
I had seen other people use their fingers to whistle,
and just like that commitment, right, but it wasn't even
a whistle, but he would. I don't know. I just
remember very vividly looking at that and that kept me
away from ever trying to attempt that kind of listen
and I haven't even gotten a step one yet, the
basic whistle. Then you move on to that one, which
I aspired too because I just think it's cool. And

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then you just start doing like effects like tractor beam.
The people who listen to that, Okay, we're good at it.
Or oh yeah, the water drop favorite favorite thing that
you know how to do. Yeah, this is me in
high school, not paying attention to you know, grammar, as

(15:29):
I just try and master the art of the water
droplet sound. Yeah, so I have lost even now. Okay,
well let's get Yeah I am. I am just to
just to make you uncomfortable. All right, let's get into
the news. So Steve King, our favorite Nazi racist tain't
Scalp from Iowa, has just basically unequivocally been like, I'm sorry,

(15:53):
I didn't do anything wrong, So I see no reason
for me to not run again. If for Off is
very brave of him, very very brave, exactly, and in
that way we commend you, Steve King. But in another way,
you know, funk Off. But in an interview on Iowa
public television, he basically said he let me just read
this quote. He said, I have nothing to apologize for.

(16:14):
Each thing starts out with some formally credible organization that
launches this, and then we have this phenomenon that America
is not ready for, and that's this cyber bullying that unleashes.
That's they're creating a firestorm. So he's a victim of
cyber bullying. I'm not sure how he saw that, but

(16:34):
when he's I wish like even his spin game isn't
that strong. He just is saying, like, oh, what are
some buzzwords that I've heard that cyber bullying? It was
that that's what? Yeah, well yeah, And even like before
his his tactic is just to basically act as if
whatever he said is not offensive and his base will
follow whatever. He's so wild when people who are cyber

(16:57):
bullies get into a thing a snid about cyber bullying, right,
yea our president, right. I read this thing recently. I
forget who which author it was, but she's a teacher
and she played Dumbo for a group of like sixth
graders and she's like, well, no matter the bullies in
the class and the good kids in the class, and

(17:18):
everyone in the class identifies themselves with Dumbo, like, no
bully will ever identify themselves as the bully in the story.
They're like, you know what I mean. So it's just like,
you know, you're always going to be Yeah, you all
write your own narratives. I think I'm trying to think
of anyone who actually embraces the fact that they're bullying.
I think Marcella or Aguya was probably the only person,

(17:40):
but that's part of her bit. But she's the woke bully. Yeah,
she bullies for good, bullies for the little guy. Yeah
but yeah, okay, well good luck with that. I mean,
like the governors basically distanced themselves, like we cannot impose
this person, so we'll see what happens there. Okay. And
next a bit of a manga z update because we

(18:01):
call it around here, Jamie, what's going on? So I
know that the only headline I saw was at the
times Up CEO had resigned because her son someone's one
with their son. Yeah. There, This is a story that
I'm sure we'll continue developing. It doesn't seem like all
the particulars of the story are quite out yet, but
Lisa Borders, who is the CEO of times Up, resigned

(18:23):
this week to attend to quote family concerns that require
my singular focus. Uh So, basically what that boils down
to is her son, who is a thirty six year
old Massius reiki instructor, was accused of sexual misconduct by
one of his clients. UM and I won't I won't

(18:45):
get into the details here, but it is I mean,
it did not sound like a good, uh situation at all.
It sounds like he, you know, in all the ways
you think of mssus could violate right when you're completely
exposed to somebody and vulnerable. Um So, there there was
a victim who reported an incident to the Santa Monica

(19:07):
Police Department on Wednesday. Uh, Lisa Borders. It seems like
she hasn't released a formal statement, uh, you know, detailing it,
but it seems like she was supporting her son and
so it was no longer appropriate for her to be
the head of an organization like times Up, which you know,
the objective is to make things like that not happen
and not defend the people who are allegedly doing it.

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So that's what people have been saying. She hasn't announced
that formally, but someone close to the situation said, Lisa's
decision to step down with the right one for her
and for the organization as well, so that story making
to need to develop. It's just that's just not as
as as this movement continues, you start to see like

(19:49):
all the shades of shades, the shades of gray, like
a better term, miles gray. But but yeah, it was.
It was a disappoint story. I appreciate that she at
least had the wherewithal to know that you can't be
the head of an organization and cop for it. At
the same time, maybe she has more specifics that she'll

(20:10):
come out with later. We don't know. Okay, that's what's
going on. Well, let's let's bring the mood up for
a second, because I mean, it's been a long time
since I was happy. I would if I can be specific.
It was and a little, you know, live animated film
known as Space Jam had come out, and ever since,

(20:33):
I've been trying to find a way for me and
Lola Bunny to ride off into the sunset together. But
more importantly, I've just I just I need my Space
Jam and at For a while back, we were teased
with the idea that Lebron James would be the Michael
Jordan of the new one and you going back and forth.
We didn't know what was going on. Nothing had been
fully cemented, but now we know it's the space jam

(20:55):
is back. I really don't have my test to say
about this except okay, great now, Jessica. Were you a
fan of Michael Jordan's work in the the original Space?
You know, I have to admit that in I was
busy with my children who were not of an HTC space.
I missed the whole decade. Oh no, Jessica, you must.

(21:16):
All I saw during the nineties were those Disney you know,
the Little Mermaid, about a hundred those videos that kept
my children busy for with these foam cover Like why
are all those Disney VHS tapes have Like maybe it
was just childhood. Yeah, I think that's what it was.
So like if it dropped on a child's head, it
wouldn't be damaging versus like the cardboard sleeve that VHS tape.

(21:39):
One child couldn't kill another child with HS, although I
did get to pay a cut from them. Anyway, that's
they were sure they were. But that's on another podcast
called Grievances with Disney Video. Um so yeah, I mean,
i'd imagine there will be some of the same characters.
I don't think the Looney Tunes universe has expanded too
much things. So besides that one movie they did with

(22:01):
Brendan Frasier fifteen years ago, remember that back in Action.
That's right, movie got a bad rap, but I thought
it was funny. Because it was just panned by every critic,
I was, well, I don't know, I was like nine
when it came out. I was like, looks like cartoons
to me. That's the problem here, what's the problem? Right?
There was just no depth to Brendan Fraser, right, but

(22:24):
there was depth in m Oh yes, yes, I mean
especially when I believe bugs Bunny was flattened quite literally,
he had to be gained depth and become three dimensionals.
So yes, I'm right with you on that one. Just
a quick bonus if you didn't know, the original Space
Jam website is still on the internet. Yeah, so if

(22:47):
you want to, if you want to take a time
capsule to the year, um, We'll have the link in
the footnotes at the end of the show. But please,
I mean, it's so funny because I've never seen something
more Yeah, just like retro there's behind the jam. They
have links to obviously merch. There's press box. It's just

(23:10):
like a press box shuttle. No space Jam news at
the moment. We'll just check it again later. We kind
of the best thing that happened in the nineties. Maybe
I'm trying, I can't remember. I mean it was a
highlight for a lot of space jam. Yeah, yeah, I
mean unless we're just like comedies that don't age well
and other things that don't age. A lot of things
just didn't age. There's a there's a we have to

(23:34):
do a Bechdel Cast episode about space Jam because I'm
sure there's some Lola Bunny stuff that's Do you think
she might be a little bit sexual? Oh, believe me.
I mean, like there's a million little boys like jerking
off to a cartoon rabbit, which you know, there's been
other cartoon rabbit. So what about Roger rabbit. She was

(23:55):
a human No, she's over. She was married to a
cartoon rabber. She was a human marriage to a rabbit.
She married into the rabbit family, confusing rabbit, right, I
mean progressive, yes, very much, very much so interspecies marriage.
I'm all for the last thing, and that there was
a great on internet video called space Jam two that

(24:16):
Josh Fadom a couple of years ago that is now
being eclipsed by this space Jam two news, and I
just want to recommend everyone go back and watch Josh
Stadom Space Jam two. F A D E M. Space
Jam two. It's the animation is from another dimension, is
quite done in Microsoft paint. It. Okay, I was going
to throw people and be like you not since AVAC,

(24:39):
but yes, it's all Microsoft paint. It's such a great
video everyone. Also, there's a Yahoo one where they treat
that game between the Tune Squad and the mon Stars
as an actual sporting event with like real ESPN pundance
being like, I remember that game. I mean, the fouls
the Monstars were committing I'd never seen before. It's like
the most dry mockumentary. So check that out. All right,

(25:02):
We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back.
And we're back. So let's just I mean, so much
political news to get through. So you know, the murmurs
around the campfire out there in d C, or that

(25:25):
Robert Muller is ready to drop his report at any moment.
It could have even been dropped by the time, I mean,
as this recording has not been released or submitted at
least to the d o J. But a lot of
people feel that it is very imminent UM DC right now,
they're like, could drop whenever, we don't know, I don't know,
could surprise you with an album. Do you think he'll
release a video album? I hope it's a concept it's

(25:48):
a concept report about the Russia probe. You're yeah, it's
it's al yeah, like a high art where there's only
like three videos in existence and you can watch him
pelic space. Um. But anyway, there's many things sort of
swirling around this imminent submission of the report. I mean,
some people say it might not be in the next
couple of weeks. Other people point to different timelines. Um.

(26:10):
But just to put things into perspective, Michael Cohen is
finally going to be testifying in front of the Senate
and House committees UH this week. On Tuesday, it's a
closed session. Wednesday will be an open session, followed by
another closed session on Thursday. UM. If you need a
little refresher on what Michael Cohen is in trouble for,
let's remember there's campaign finance violations when he was giving

(26:32):
hush payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougall. Uh, you
know he lied to Congress about a bunch of this
stuff in addition to pursuing a Trump Tower Moscow deal
very very deep into the election, when you know Donald
Trump was claiming up and down. Oh, I don't know Russia.
I don't even know Russia. Where is Russia? What is

(26:53):
that is that? I've heard of Prussia, but I don't
think that exists anymore. So many people have the same
litany of crimes. It gets very confused. Yeah, exactly, shift
through all this. I mean, luckily has a team of people,
which is what Another thing that people point to that
it's winding down, is that a lot of the people,
you know, he was slowly sort of closing different uh,

(27:17):
or he was slowly like rapping for lack of a
better word. He's a production term. Some of the people
on his team who were like the prosecutors and investigators
he had brought on for the investigation. Uh, they're beginning
to report back to their old bosses and saying I'll
be back to work pretty soon. So that's that's that's
a sign. Another one you know, the d o J
people are Matt Whittaker. If you want to believe Attorney

(27:39):
General Dick Toilet, as we call him, the man who
patented the terrible toilet. I'm sorry, Yes, Dick Toilet esquire
saying that it would be over soon. Um and as
well as like Rod Rosenstein. You know, he's leaving I
think in mid March, and that was contingent on him
seeing out the Moller investigation. So I have a feeling
that I think mid March is a probably the latest.

(28:00):
It will probably be for everyone's sanity. But then what
happens when then does he So that's the thing I mean,
you know, I think for people like us in the
general public, we probably won't know much for a while,
but it all depends, right. So William Barr, who's now
the Attorney General, has said that he's going to act
within Department of Justice norms and guidelines regarding reports like this,

(28:24):
which means, if you really stuck to the letter of
the law, all he's obligated to do is tell Congress
Mueller gave me the report and that's that, and he
doesn't even have to share with them. People are going
to make such a right so that's that doesn't seem
very feasible. They'll probably be some kind of I'm sure
he'll definitely report to Congress, but they might not be
able to say anything. There's a way where Robert Mueller

(28:47):
could also file a report that doesn't have any classified
or sensitive information with redactions. That's more of like a
very general ten thousand foot view of what he discovered,
uh in the investigation, So we don't quite know, I mean.
And also if the report is so damaging that it
would be absurd for the Department of Justice to not

(29:09):
try and raise some kind of issue about what he found,
It's possible that they would want to submit it to
the public or have some version that the public could see,
which would most likely cause the White House to sue
and it would be a very long court battle before
I mean, the version that the d o j will
see with all like the evidentially all the evidence and
things like that, we probably wouldn't see for years. I'm trying.

(29:32):
I was trying to think of, like what is a
comparable I mean, the only thing I can think of
is the Star Report of like a government report that
will absolutely go viral and have these gigantic implications. But
the difference what is that the Star report was like
hard copies and also many you could get. The law
was different around those kinds of special counsel investigations back then.

(29:53):
So now this abides by a new law that was
created in regarding this, and even in those sidelines, it
actually says like they wanted to keep special counsel like
these investigations or at least the reports from becoming too
broad that the only things that they can actually thought,
they'll report on our actual crimes that violate United States

(30:15):
legal codes. So anything that's like untoward or unsavory or
shady that we would be like, why wouldn't you talk
about that? Because it might not have been technically like
a crime that might not make that won't make it
in We need to get a deep throat going yeah.
And I think I have a feeling with just you know,
with what's at stake with people in the FBI writing

(30:35):
books being like I've I started to investigate a counterintelligence
operation because I thought there was a chance that President
could be some kind of Russian operative or be under
it could have been compromised by the Kremlin. I think
there's probably there are some details we clearly don't know.
That are very pressing, but we might not know. But

(30:55):
again I don't think I think for me personally, and
I think on the show we've talked that you try
not to fully, you know, put all of our hopes
and dreams in the Mueller investigation basket is like the
the salve that will soothe this open wound of the
Trump presidency. But you know, we'll see. I mean, Sarah
Sanders is confident. She was saying, like, I think it

(31:16):
will be like I think will be cleared. But at
the same time, Rudy Giuliani says like, well, if it clears,
the president will move on. If it doesn't, we'll fight back.
And I have a feeling Sarah Sarah, Yeah, yeah, Sarah.
I mean, Sarah's just a problem child at least favorite
person in the administration possible. I mean, Steven Miller. I

(31:40):
think Steven Millard probably takes that that one. Rudy giuliani
Is reactions to things is always pretty telling of what
is actually going to happen, because he seems to have
little to no impulse control and just says exactly He's like,
I mean, we'll fight the thing right away. It's like, oh,
so you do know what's going to happen. I don't
know if I don't, unless we don't, in which case

(32:02):
will move on. But there are reports that the White
House even already has like a rebuttal package ready to go. Yeah, secretly,
they'll be like, okay, what did you do? Okay, well,
this is how we'll try to spin it. So, like
I said, Michael Cohen, he'll be going up to tell
the Senate and House everything. I guess that he knows,

(32:25):
although he did lie to them already, we're not quite
sure what he's going to tell them that will be new,
considering that he's already played guilty, uh, and all of
his crimes are recorded. So I think this is more
of a tour for him to act like he's very sorry,
he regrets all the deception, his actions, the laws he broke,
the crimes he committed, and he's a new man because

(32:46):
you know, his sentencing is coming up, and that's I
don't know about. Yeah, I've heard that from a lot
of man. Yeah, exactly. No, I don't trust anyone who
has gone this far to lie about things that they're
I think you have to know being a new man
right before your sentence in hearing tired. Yeah, and the
idea that somebody is going to get off scott free

(33:08):
for rat fucking the election more than like people who
are committing like real crimes and love love it. It's
it's become a very new term in describing all this
rushes stuff. Yeah you think that you like those people? Actually,
no matter even if you like, oh I rolled on everybody,
can that be forgiven? Like, no, you need to see
the inside of a jail for a long time, my friend.

(33:30):
But you know, we'll see what happens. And hey, look,
if something happens with the Mother Report and things do change,
maybe I'll my heart will change. But it's amazing. I
would I mean I would love to be wrong about Yeah, sure,
I think we all would, but I think wrong about
things right. But yeah, we've become very cynical last two years.
Um and oh, just to check in with Roger Stone

(33:52):
because last week we spoke about how you know the
judge presiding over his case that he posted on Instagram
with a cross Year's imagine near her face one of
the worst photo shops of our time. My husband went
to school with Amy Burman. Oh really, they go way back.
To childhood. Yeah, so he's sold girlfriend. Oh wow, deviny

(34:13):
gossip gossip? What was Amy like, No, she's brilliant. I
bet she's she's a tough fast Well that's very clear
because I wouldn't be so scared of her, right Well,
if he knew that, he wouldn't have done the dumb
thing anyway. So she basically called him in and said,
you need to show costs, like why did you do this?
Like I'm not going to take your filing of apology

(34:36):
as like a remedy to this um because he was
already like he was already out on bond, and they're like,
you have you have to follow rules still here, like
you can't just try and incite violence or something or
bring suspicion on like this court with your cheeky Facebook
or Instagram posts, which is people whould say she went
easy on him, you know, like yeah, they felt that. Yo,

(34:57):
he could have just been put in jail until this
whole things sorted out and really affected his liberty, but
she decided to say, look, you have just don't talk
at all about anything. Essentially, the gag orders do not
speak about anything or anyone having to do with this case.
The Ivy. That is almost strategic because the longer he's

(35:18):
out on bond, the more he fux himself over. And
that's I mean that Instagram post is proof positive of like,
if he's allowed to walk around freely, he's gonna be
buying steampunk stuff. He's going to be talking ship, and
he's going to be making a situation way worse hopefully.
That's I think even more than jail. Him not being
allowed to talk and just shoot off at the mouth

(35:39):
could be the worst case scenario for him. Um, she's smart. Yeah,
so we'll see what what happens with Roger. But yeah,
the only thing he can talk about is to you know,
proclaim his innocence and to beg for money and sell
Roger stones. Yeah, that is she. She did let allow
him to, you know, ask for funds for his legal
defense fund because it's expensive, as you said, fighting off

(36:02):
the federal Roger stone swag. Yeah, well he had Roger stones.
He was literally selling stones his name on them, Yeah,
and stones. In a way, I really not that it
broke my heart because he's just a vile creature, but
almost like when you've reached the end of your well
of like creativity and Rogers. What roger Stones are currently

(36:25):
on sale? They are? How much? They were twelve dollars
now they're ten dollars on Oh you meant like they're
on sale, like they've gone on sail on sale, but
now they're discounted. I want to wait till it goes
to five. Yeah. Honestly though, I have a feeling if
if you want to Roger Stone, I'll make you one.
I'm want to go to the I'll pick up a
fucking rock and Roger brand roger Stones bootleg. Yeah. Then yeah,

(36:52):
go to the Santi Alley and pitch pitch him over
there and then donated it to candidates we like boom. Um,
so yes, so that you know all that to say
that we should know somewhat shortly whether or not we
know anything about this Muther report. Um, But that kind
of feeds into the next stories that Adam Schiff wrote

(37:12):
a fairy and I guess nice letter in the Washington Post.
He was basically telling you it's called an open letter
to my Republican colleagues, in which he's just saying, you, guys,
how long are you going to let this happen? Like
the President is clearly like on a path to even
hijack the power of the purse that Congress has like

(37:35):
in that branch of government, along with all the other
horrible things that have happened. When are you gonna wake up? So,
just like the crux of this letter is in this paragraph,
he says to my Republican colleagues, when the President attacked
the independence of the Justice Department by intervening in a
case in which he was implicated, you did not speak out.
When he attacked the press as the enemy of the people,
You again were silent. When he targeted the judiciary, labeling

(37:56):
judges and decisions he didn't like his illegitimate, we heard
not a word. And now he comes for Congress, the
first branch of government, seeking to strip strip it of
its greatest power, that of the purse. Many of you
have acknowledged your deep misgivings about the President and quiet
conversations over the past two years. You have bemoaned his
lack of decency, character, and integrity. You have deplored his

(38:16):
fundamental inability to tell the truth. But for reasons that
are all too easy to comprehend, you have chosen to
keep your misgivings and your rising alarm private. That must end.
The time for silent disagreement is over. You must speak out.
I want to take bets on whether or not I
was gonna speak out that if children being just torn

(38:39):
apart from their families and doing irreparable damage to their
psyches their development wasn't enough for them to speak out,
or the myriad of other things he could have just
he could have just listed, had a whole list of
things they didn't speak out about. I don't know, let's
go right back to the word. Yeah, I don't know
what will I mean, it's you know, it's too bad

(38:59):
Adams figuring out all of his friends are cartoon villains
and they're not responding to him in the group text anymore.
He's like, what if we were nice? And there's no reply,
a lot of thumbs down reacts. What's true? Like that's
the one consistent thing you always read since the beginning,
like since he since Trump got the nomination, was so
many GOP politicians like off the record, we're just groaning

(39:24):
and rolling their eyes and like couldn't believe what was
going on yet, you know, I think because his bass
is so vocal, they're just again they just fear this
basse that he has cultivated and they don't want to
get they don't want to be on the receiving into that.
I think, you know, I think the timing of this
letter may if the Mother Report is soon to come out.

(39:45):
I mean, he is the head of the House Intel Committee,
so I'm sure he knows a few things that are
probably uh kind of messy for lack of a better word,
for sure, maybe hoping like you know, a for effort
Adam Schiff, Right, but he does he does get a's.
I think, yeah, he's occasionally, he gets a's rather often

(40:06):
for his behavior, but this one is like he's the
only one. Yeah, well, I means for Democrats. Yeah, I mean,
I think everyone's ready to you know, if someone was like, Okay,
I think we have the votes to impreach, maybe we'll
do it. Maybe not. But I think he at the
very least is really just I think he realizes this,
the way things are moving right now, with all this

(40:28):
all kinds of evidence that this person is unfit to
hold the office just right there in front of you.
You admit it privately at the detriment of the country,
you know what I mean, and you're not actually doing anything.
I think he really sees that that is really one
of the more fundamental things, like Russia or not, that
the party itself, the GOP itself, needs to find a

(40:50):
spine in which case, because it's at this point they're
doing damage to the country. So who is benefiting really
aside from the millionaires and billionaires, right, and especially it's like,
if the GOP is to survive the Trump presidency at all,
if Trump is taken down to any degree by the
Russia report, the GOP has to like have some stance

(41:11):
of we don't completely condone this right now, or they're
you know, they're kind of they're fucking toasts, like there's
no damned if they do, and probably damned if they don't. Yeah,
I mean, I mean the world is damned. Yeah. I mean,
if you can just get a group of people who
could just you know, speak up, they would be idolized.

(41:33):
I mean, everybody spoke up. That awesome, because then because
Trump can't get rid of all of them, right exactly,
I would just be too weird. Yeah, I mean, their
strength in numbers, and Jeff Flake would always sort of
pretend like he was about to be that Republican with
a conscience and then just be like, no, I guess,
I guess break already. Yeah, No, he's actually really cool.
I love beer. I mean when he said beer, you know,

(41:54):
I can't I can't talk down on beer really humanized him.
For me, I'm one of the freaking boys. This letter
reminds me of like me realizing in college that everyone
in my improv group was evil, Like you're just like, hey, guys,
Jamie here wondering why we're also awful? Anyone ever thought
about that? And then just like, no, did you have

(42:15):
an awful improv group? Oh terrible? Yeah, Like it was
just toxic. It was both not funny and extremely toxic,
like I think existing improv uh. And just a quick update.
In North Carolina's ninth district, we talked about how Mark
Harris his own son father son drama. I saw that
video finally where he was like, you know, I love

(42:38):
my parents, but this is wrong essentially. And yeah, then
I did see that clip of him just like sobbing
in the court. He was just like, you know, he's
a preacher who you know, playing some games with the
election fraud. So now the North the North Carolina State
Board of Elections, they voted five to nothing to hold

(42:58):
a do over election special election to get that thing
going again, because it's clear that there was just massive
amounts of election fraud being but by any means necessary.
I mean, it's I think that's been the mentality of
the GOP, like, especially since Obama took office, where it's like,
let's just figure out how to stack the deck in

(43:19):
any possible way, whether that's jerrymandering or just stacking courts
or whatever. Uh. And you know, it seemed like this
sort of form of duping people out of their absentee
ballots to goose the numbers for you know, a candidate
stupid do they think everybody is? I don't know. And
it's still we talked about this, uh in the last

(43:40):
episode as well. But just the fact that this is
such a blip of a story is an indication of
how crazy things are right now, because in any other
like in a calmer political climate, people would be like,
oh my god, what what a disc what we're dealing
We have so many disgraces happening simultaneously, one doesn't really
stand out and relief against all the exactly. And then

(44:00):
there when you also think about, you know, when Trump
was claiming like in New Hampshire, the kind of the
fake voters who were like busting from god knows where
to like vote for Hillary. And then in California is
claiming millions of whatever you have this like voter fraud
panel he put together that Mike Pence was leading. They
wrapped their thing up saying, we found no evidence of

(44:20):
any of these allegations. Yet they are just silent right
now over this. But of course, you know, I think
a lot of it to do with like the audacity
of them to keep trying this kind of stuff. Is
up to this point, a lot of these people have
been living in a consequence free world, so there was
no there was no like sort of subconscious feeling of
there to be like, you know, repercussions for their actions,

(44:43):
because if you've done something over and over again and
nothing's happened, or like it's just bad press, then maybe
there's no reason for even at the highest office in
the lane, there's no repercussions, right, all these egregious the
Trump does one thing after the next and nothing ever happened,
So why should ending happen? And yeah, Rank exactly, Well,
I think that's why, you know, slowly we'll see what

(45:03):
happens in the in this next election, we can put
someone else in, just make him a one term president
because now a lot of yeah, yeah, What's interesting though
about a lot of these Democratic presidential presidential candidates, uh,
like Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren, Julie and Castro. They've
recently been really outspoken about their support for reparations for

(45:25):
black Americans, which is not like what black person, I'm like, wait,
really okay, because Obama was was like, I don't know,
it's impractical, and the Clintons were not about it. Bernie
was not about it. Bernie was like, you can't find
the votes. It's it's it's like it's too big of

(45:47):
an idea. Those are the same arguments people gave against
his policies things too so please Bernie come on. Hasn't
really addressed it recently this week. No, he's not. You know,
he's yet to meant on it fully. I'm sure, I mean,
based on the other candidates that have, he'll probably have
something to say. Um. I mean, Kamala Harris has come

(46:07):
out and just basically said, uh to The New York Times,
said we have to be honest that people in this
country do not start from the same place or have
access to the same opportunities. I'm serious about taking an
approach that would change policies and structures and make real
investments in black communities. Now, yeah, the not everyone is
too specific on what exactly they would do because it's

(46:30):
a really nuanced issue. You can't just cut checks for
people and then be like, okay, uh in inequalities solved
because we cut a bunch of checks. I mean, if
you gave everybody there forty acres in a mule back,
then maybe we would be looking at something else because
we would have people who owned land and we're able
to do something with it. But that isn't the case.
And a lot of different economists and the other social

(46:53):
justice warriors out there, you know, point to the idea
that a lot of the remedies or proposals that have
been put or about reparations are mostly income based and
they aren't actually really addressing solutions that directly address the
disparity between races. And I think that's something that I
think would be a great conversation to have with candidates

(47:14):
because this country has yet to have a real reckoning
with the history of slavery and the the you know,
the idea that most people color in this country are
they're still living under different dimensions of oppression that have
existed for centuries now out. Yeah, but Elizabeth Warren, she

(47:35):
didn't give any further info, but actually had a very
interesting proposal because she was not that this was about
reparations directly, but she did call for the federal government
to basically subsidize, like just have special home buying assistants
for down payments for residents of communities that were affected
by redlining, which is, you know, the racist practice of

(47:58):
just carving out places for people of to live and
then denying the mortgages in other areas, so to sort
of naturally begin corral with people of color and segregate people.
I think so we'll see, I'd be really interesting. I mean,
it's I I think it's great that it's entered the
conversation at all. But I hope that, you know, candidates
start getting more specific about because it seems like this

(48:18):
could be a very different uh, Like each candidate could
view addressing this problem very differently, and it might be
interesting and productive to see, you know, how we could
combine some of the solutions. Yeah, the one person who
has actually tabled like a specific plan for reparations is
Marian Williamson, who is the author and self described spiritual teacher.

(48:38):
I mean, she's a long shot, but she's called for
a hundred billion dollars in reparations for black Americans. Uh.
And I'm not sure how that would be used, but
she was like, a hundred billion dollars sounds great, great,
but I think, yeah, when you're dealing with systemic racism
and things like that, those are the things that actually
have to be dismantled and taken down first to even
begin for people of color to you know, have live

(49:01):
in some kind of equitable world or country at the
very least. So we'll see, all right, let's take a
quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back,
And I just want to point out I just want

(49:22):
to shout out Pinterest because it seems like they're one
of the only major social media platforms that is taking
a stance on the issues of anti vaxers. Uh. Pinterest
they've seen just sort of an uptick just over the
years on how people like we're interacting with anti vaction
material like on their site. In they said of the

(49:45):
posts related to vaccinations were anti So that resulted in
the platform putting in language that said they banned anything
that promotes false cures for terminal chronic illnesses and anti
vaccination advice. Uh so that was in their community guylines.
But now they've gone a step further and they've completely
removed search terms like vaccine, vaccines, vaccinations, vaccination, and anti vax.

(50:09):
Because Jenny McCarthy just deleted her her Pinterest account, I
know her other boards were great though, sad. I know, yeah, bathrooms.
I love Nantucket bathroom great. Yeah, great inspiration of your
try art. Yeah, a lot of really good boards she's rocking.
Suspicions about who's who in the mass singer is that,

(50:30):
I mean a host of them. I didn't realize you
could really use Pinterest for putting together that kind of information.
I've always used it as like, uh, like putting together
like sort of design ideas, like when you're buying shoes
and you're just buying shoes wall paper. My friends use
it to like oppressively be like here are the bridesmaid
stress as we are going to get there all five

(50:52):
million dollars and they're ugly. You know, there's have you
ever been part of like wedding pinterest boards I have.
My daughter just got Mary, so I had been Yeah,
absolutely tons of these pictures of it's vast, but it's
more like a way to just collect keep your ideas together, right,
and be like, oh like this, we don't like that.
How just completely out of flowers. There's so many ups

(51:14):
with flowers on. Oh I'm sure. Yeah, they're beautiful actually,
and they all cost five million dollars. Yeah, exactly, and
at least they can all be aggregated in one place
to know, like, well, we really can't afford that build
the frame for the hoop of yourself higher floorists to
just attach flowers to it, or just drag some of
the bougainbilio. If you're back here, put on some BBC piping.
Nobody knows, uh, but yeah. So, And like I said,

(51:37):
they have taken the stance because it's very clear that
the anti vaccination movement has created a very clear public
health risk. I grew up in a time when there
were no vaccines in the fifties, and my mother I
have a recording of her in my podcast saying we
had everything we had months, we had the measles, we
had the chicken bugs, we had the German measles. We

(51:58):
had one after the next. I'm telling you it's a
very messy. Yeah, that's a whole other thing. And there's
a death sounds strains. Yeah, that sounds like a post
war like pump up where it's like and German musics,
just like children can die of the same diseases sailors
once died of. And it's funny because people do always

(52:19):
point to the fact that they're like, well, our parents
are alive and they didn't have vaccines, and it's like, uh,
but like, as you say, there were also many other
people who were affected by it, may have lost their
lives and may have lived through that. But that's why
we're at a place now where we try and create
herd immunity for people who might be vulnerable. It's nice
to see a social media platform of any kind take

(52:40):
progressive stance on something because it just seems like every
news update with Facebook is a ship show night uh,
Tumbler removing all adult content that had like a bunch
of weird ramifications as well. It's just social media platforms
have such a terrible history of making the wrong wide
decision that it's like all right, interests, if you're going
to remove anti vaccine, I mean, that's the best news

(53:03):
I've heard from a social media platform. Because Twitter won't
get rid of all the Nazis. It's kind of escalating.
Don't you think that all these like they're all starting
to get a little more conscious, aren't there a little bit?
I think they know Facebook is waging a war in Asia,
so like they understand how it looks. I think now
they understand how it looks. I think that's what that

(53:25):
phase they're in right now, about how it looks than
how it is. Well. I think more so that they're
like their first and things like oh, this looks bad,
and then a few more controversies will then be like oh,
I guess we should do something about it. But right
now it's just like it looks bad because yeah, there
was a story earlier this week I think about Facebook.
They were allowing people who wanted to buy ads to

(53:46):
target people whose interests were in like Nazis. Oh yeah.
I think Facebook is just figuring out like, oh, it's
bad optics to be like war mongerers who accept anyone's money. Ever, um,
and you're good for them, but up stop, just like
removing things and start being progressive like to well, right,

(54:06):
there's no like exactly. And Facebook even allowed the promotion
of anti vax propaganda, like by finding users who were
curious about vaccine controversies. But again and everyone was like,
why are you allowing these people to just bombard your
users with misinformation that is not even based in science. Yeah,
and then Mark Zuckerberg is like, I don't know. They

(54:28):
gave me five dollars, so I don't know. It adds up,
it adds up. I have my price yep. Uh. And
just a cautionary tale I wanted to bring up because
this could have been me. In fact, it was me
on my Space in two thousand four. But let me
just read you from the Idaho State Journal, Uh, this
story about a man who was using social media uh

(54:50):
in an inappropriate way. It says a Facebook post requesting
fast food in exchange for an illegal substance led to
the arrest of an Idaho falls man. The Idaho for
His Police department took twenty two year old Brian star
Lipper interest into custody after searching his home at three
ones blah blah blah. They give his address. Star Lipper
had posted on his personal Facebook page earlier that day,

(55:12):
offering a graham of marijuana wax to anyone who would
bring him McDonald's or burger King marijuana wax. So that
is that was that was, That's what I was referring to.
So the wax concentrated form of marijuana, which they now
Dad would call him dabs in the street. That's what
that is. Yeah, that's what stupid. I know. No, wonder

(55:33):
you didn't infiltrate that Team gang. I know You're like, Dad,
You're just like dabbing, right, They're like, what, lady, you're
out of the scooter game? Lime Gang? Oh, Lime Scooter Gang. Yeah,
I mean, I just it's so funny to me that

(55:55):
a why is somebody snitching on this guy? He was
clearly just a lazy stoner who was saying, like, this
is the barter economy. It seems like a fair shake.
You know, he had me at Star Lipper, Yeah, stuck
on them, what do you think? Yeah? Right? Or he
has like a really weird bottom lip. This is really,
you know, a scourge on the star Liipper name, and

(56:17):
I want to stand for it or maybe is it
pronounced star lipper, star Lipper? We don't know where the emphascist.
There's only one piece, so maybe it's Star Lieper. I
didn't want to say Star Lieper. Let's stick with Star Lipper.
That's the only way. I'm sure we'll be talking about
him a lot. Yeah, I can't move on thinking his

(56:38):
name is starting. Will be running for Congress, Yeah, pretty
soon enough. I need to know how to pronounce that.
And I would vote him because he would probably have
some pretty interesting ideas on the economy. Although I would
say that, I mean, like, in California, a graham of
marijuana wax for like the good stuff would be well
over fifty dollars, so hopefully he was asking for fifty
dollars or the fast food. If he was like, I'll

(56:59):
give you fifty dollars worth of this drug for a Hamburger,
and I would have serious concern about this man. Don't
want to have him at any sea. And I mean,
but he's a giver. He is justice Justice for Star Lipper. Jessica,
thank you so much for joining us. So tell us
a little bit more about your podcast, because the really

(57:21):
interesting thing you said to me before we started recording
was sort of the idea that if you think about
it nearly any family, if you dig deep enough or
just sort of try and tell the tale of your family,
any families probably gonna be a fascinating So I really
believe that. I start, as I was telling you, I
I you know, someone suggested that I do a podcast
about my family, and I said, what, why would anyone?

(57:44):
And then I It didn't take much time. I just went, oh,
I see here's this. There's a couple of stories to
go through. There's a few threads that are actually, I think,
really really interesting. I think that's true. Anybody can almost
everybody has some form of family, and there's there's got
to be a story, and there you find the story
and try to find a way to tell it compellingly.

(58:06):
You can have your you two can have a podcast,
not just when we have to talk about other people's lives.
I could do one just about my parents divorce. Oh,
I could do one about my parents yeast ever the
podcast called Everybody's Divorce. Was there anything like like that

(58:27):
you had discovered? Was there sort of like a central
narrative that you knew going into your like that your
friend was like, Jessica, you got those stories about your family.
Did sort of start from there or were you kind
of forced to try and find something now there were Well,
the truth is I have just you know, just a
surface description of my family that I do have some
nutty ship going on, right. So, um, you know, there

(58:49):
was a lot of I have five siblings and you know,
they all there's some weird stuff. So there was enough
already just to get started. And then but then there's
also some stuff some threads. As I mentioned, there's a
there's a thread that has to do with racism. I'm
sorry to say that this affects my family history and

(59:10):
affected my father's father, um for example, Um and uh.
But this tells the story. It also refers to all
the stuff that we went through growing up in the
fifties and sixties. We grew up in this you know
town when Nta, Illinois, which was very sheltered, prosperous, beautiful,
pretty little town where nothing ever happens except that, of

(59:32):
course below the surface, there's all this gnarly stuff going on, right,
So there was there's a little bit of you know,
that's one of the threads is like what America was
like that that's when America was great, just just coming right,
just coming out of World War two economic boom, and
all the men are coming out of the war and uh,
they just get shoved right into this economy and they

(59:54):
start commuting with their fedoras on their heads. And my
father was one of those guys. But you know, they
never got to talk about you know, they didn't have
to talk about the fact that, well, that's what my
father had, the PTSD. And my mother tell us about
this in the podcast, and she's you know, there was
for example, my father's a marine. He's in the South Pacific.

(01:00:14):
He's in a fox hole with his comrades. They've been
fighting together for at all this time, and he gets
out to go to take a leak and he by
when he comes back to the fox halls, it's been
shelled and all his comrades are dead. So but there's like,
that's just one and a million of the traumatic things
that happened to these guys, and they never had to

(01:00:34):
talk about it. They came home, and they weren't supposed
to say, you know, that war was kind of a
ship show, right, They're supposed to come home and go,
this is the greatest moment for America and wait one
and as my mother said, do nothing to tarnish the
shine of that accomplishment, right, so um, you know, so
then they all kept it. He never talked about it
until he was in his eighties, and then he got
together with a group of veterans and they talked about

(01:00:56):
it for like hours being and he finally had this
kind of cathartic yeah thing towards the end of his life.
But so there were so many things like that going
on on the of course of McCarthy or you know,
there's lots of stuff America. America was pretending to be
so cool and it was in many ways, of course,
but also in some ways not. And it was of
course pre civil rights, and there's a lot of stuff awesome.

(01:01:19):
So where can people find the podcast? Everywhere? Everywhere? Yeah,
grab that pod at I mean obviously Apple. And it's
just called Wineta. It's called Winnetta. Well there's and it
says colon a memoir perfect but but just you could
just type in pops, right w I N N E

(01:01:39):
T K A yes, yes. And I was telling you
as someone who grew up in the valley, there's a
part of the valley called Lonecca, and I was like, oh,
maybe justice from the battle, like Illinois. Uh. And are
you on any social media? Oh? God, yes, there. Instagram
is my favorite. There's lots of pictures from the show.
So there's two two on Instagram. One is Wineta podcast

(01:02:01):
and one is at Jessica Harper Rama Harperama. All right,
well that's a follow for me. Jamie. Where can people
find you and follow you? And also, Jamie, thank you
so much for holding it down this past week of
shows with Jack being off in the wilderness on his sojourn. Yes,
it's all good, people. I know I missed Jack as well.

(01:02:23):
I know that people are starting to have dreams about
Jack him having sexually charged dreams about him. That's not
my business, I am. It's been an honor to be here.
Thank you so much. It's always a blessing. Uh and
if and please also for the listeners, Jamie, Jack, Caitlin
and I will be doing a live show together. Uh.

(01:02:43):
Beck Deel cast with The Daily Zeitgeist talking about your
seminal film at the Dynasty Typewriter. So please buy your
tickets because they are about to go out very very soon.
I'm really excited. Uh. And Jamie, where can people find
you and follow you? I find on Twitter at Jamie
Loftus help. You can find me on Instagram at Jamie

(01:03:04):
christ Superstar And uh, listen to the Bechdel Cast. We
just released our new episode about romy and Michell's high
school re union. Um so yeah. And then come to
the live show and that's all. And what is a
tweet that you're liking? Oh this is from a couple
of days ago, but it was a really funny tweet
from Matt Oswald on Kirk Cobain's birthday. That's Patton Oswald's brother, right, yes,

(01:03:28):
it is where he is. Happy birthday, Kirk Cobain, Your
words and image will never be forgotten. And then attached
is a mural of David Spade with a with a
Kirk Coban. But it's better to burn out than fade away. Someone.
I don't know who made this David Spade uh mural,
but you know it turns out he's mural worthy and

(01:03:49):
it made me laugh a lot. He's at Matt Oswald
v A. He has a five million followers. He doesn't
need my endorsement, but it was really funny. I would Um, oh,
I guess we'll talk about me. Oh yeah. Instagram at
Miles of Grade G r A y A couple of tweets.
I like one is from at Niles one hundred. It
says l M F A ho. Jesse Smollitt still casted
more black actors than Judd Apataw crushing, crushing, listen. I

(01:04:16):
love when people get hard on the judge. Oh yeah,
you got to do it? Yeah, I just it was.
It was one of those as I read, yeah for real?
Uh And also, oh, sorry, sorry, Jessica, do you have
a tweets? I have a tweet? Oh sorry, yes, I
totally forgot. Now this is a tweet from George Wallace,
and I do not mean the dead governor Alabama, other
guy George Wallace. So he said, shout out to top

(01:04:39):
five hams in the world. Those are he didn't say,
those are crying dust, Peter Life's and Jeff Jeff. Yeah,
thank you so much. As a black and Nese person,
I love it. Yeah, George Twitter is priceless. I know,
I just imagine in him just I don't know if

(01:05:03):
he's doing it so easily or he's like kind of
really working hard to doing it. I know it's coming easily,
but I don't know. There's part of me that I'm
so interested in his Twitter process, like some of the
few users that you can hear all of his tweets
in his voice right, And you know, but when you're
a great joke writer, it probably is very easy. Um.
Let's see another tweet that I like is from Hot

(01:05:24):
Sea Girl Sarah uh for explaining is chronically Sarah. It
says my body is a temple, ancient and crumbling and
probably haunted. You can find us at daily zeit Geist
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We have a Facebook fan page. We have a website
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(01:05:46):
and our footnote for that backup as well as the
song that we are going to ride out on. Let's
do a song by video age. It's called pop Therapy
now video Age. I was really into it because it's
just sounded like it was straight out of the eighties.
I'm hoping there are a new band doing stuff from
the eighties and I'm not just finding in eighties band,

(01:06:08):
but yes, this is just check out their other work.
It's very vibe if you like vapor wave like, it's
kind of i mean, not totally vapor wavish, but it's
on that wave like so yes, this is video age
with Top Therapy again. Thanks for joining us. Tomorrow Jack,
we'll be back. We'll get this thing back to normally,
put back in my locker, I get shoved in a
log back on your hard drive. You'll have to pack

(01:06:30):
your way out of all right. Well, we'll see you
then because it is a daily show. Take care of
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