November 2, 2017 • 42 mins
In episode 19, Jack & Miles are joined by 'Yo, Is This Racist's' Andrew Ti to discuss John Kelly's views on Robert E. Lee, the terrorist attack in Manhattan, Trump's handling of Puerto Rico, a theory that Hitler escaped to Colombia, & more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season four, Episode four
of The Daily Zeitgeist a k a. The White Bashing
cuck Fest. According to one of our reviews, hey hey,
oh uh it is November the second, two thousand seventeen.
My name is Jack O'Brien a K. Potatoes O'Brien, and
I'm joined as always by my co host, Mr Miles Gray. Hello,
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and I just want to tell all my people out there,
I love you, don't matter what's your race, creed, or color.
And that's our guest. He is the host of one
of my favorite podcasts, uh that Miles and I had
the pleasure of guesting on very recently. I think it's
up as of yesterday. Uh. He is Andrew t Uh
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and the show is yours this racist? What up? Andrew?
What's up there? He is? It's also one of one
of our best guests that we've had so far on
this show. He is a returning guest. Nailed it the
first time. I mean, you know, for you, what's it
like being on season one and now being on season four?
Oh my god? The arc of like the the amount
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you guys have grown and changed, I think is the
real thing. Um. The Miles character really like turned into something.
I guess it was very thin at the top, but
you know, like my hair, it feels right, that inner
conflict that we won't say. Yeah, well, that'll be revealed
in the season six cliffhanger. You guys will know Andrew,
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what's something you've searched in the not too distant past
that is revealing about who you are as a human being?
Uh so of listeners might remember last time I was
on I had turned off my search history like tracking
on Google. Yes, we got a lot of a lot
of flak about that. Did you really know? That is
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literally how full of myself? I like, well, of course
that was the thing that really made a splash um
And as the intro was starting, I realized I hadn't
turned it back on. Good so you'll still stay in
the grid. The craziest thing though, that that I've been
watching on YouTube that I I even subscribe to. So
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this is just a thing that is part of my
media diet. Now there's this fucking weird Danish guy that
it's like a survivalist who lives in like the middle
of nowhere in Russia and he just does these videos
that are awesome. Did you be like like ancient survival skills. Know,
they're like like he walks around with an a k
at all times, and it's just like like but he's
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like he's just like a camping guy, like you know,
like the other weird survivalist ship I was watching, but
he's like he's this dude, he's I think I have
this new category of YouTube, which is I'm realizing most
categories of dudes that I'm interested in exactly one thing
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that they're knowledge about, knowledgeable about, and like thoroughly uninterested
in everything else they would have to say. I was like, oh, man,
whatever this guy thinks about global politics, the world, black people,
I'm positive I don't want to know. Um, that's I
like that, that's a dark insinuation. You're probably a fine person. Mr.
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Survival Russia. What is his name? Or how can people
find time? Just survival Russia? Survival Russia. This jolly Danish
dude like in the middle, like making humongous Like the
last the last video I watched of his, he was
really stressed out because it was a big spruce tree
that fell. It's like, how am I going to deal
with this spruce wow problem? That's what I got what's overrated? Overrated? Preparation.
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I made a bunch of attempts at coming up with
a funny one, and I was like, fuck it, I'm
gonna wing it. I'm gonna wing it because I got nothing.
I couldn't come up with anything funny, you know what.
Having said that, I'm going to undercut myself right now,
I am happy with my underrated what is it? What
is today? Um? Oh, you know what? But this also
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cuts to the preparation thing because we had discussed before
we started recording not talking about this potentially. But I'm
going to funk up all y'all's plans right now and
say my underrated thing is it's not as bad as
you think being two blocks from a World Series game.
Because I'm really stressed out. I was like, my fucking
neighborhood is going to be like a mess. It's going
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to be a nightmare, and it has been not that
bad right next to your stadium pretty close. Yeah, Like
I was joking about this, and this is I'm sure
there's some funck up antecedent to this train of thought,
but I was like, if there's like a riot of
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some kind, you know, I'm not in prime car burning territory.
But I'm in car burning terror. At least your Instagram
will be late. Yeah exactly, she's about to get uh
literally lit. Yeah. Anyway, it's not been that bad everyone ever.
I think it's because tickets are so expensive that like
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people are like, yo, I'm here to see fucking baseball,
Like I need to see every second of this baseball
people are serious about this. Yeah, I mean serious. The
I think like the seats down in the like stadium club,
like twelve grand a pope. Can you imagine doing that
good spending over presumable. I guess it's not for these people,
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but like multiple months rent on a baseball game, I don't.
I don't even pay my rent, like delinquent on it.
And it's really it's some ship where I was just
like because the only thing I like about baseball is
about going to a baseball game is not paying attention
to the baseball game. And I wouldn't be able to
not pay attention not for them. I do that start
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the wave during like like, hey, what's everyone's problem? All
I'm doing in a baseball game is trying to see
if the people there with will be grossed out if
I have another hot dog right that. I'm just like,
you have to wait an inning every time I go.
Every time I go there. Sometimes we have the pleasure
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of of going into the Luxury State or the Lex
Club where like all the food is free, and I
will man, I will load up on the dogs. I
don't care. I don't care. I don't care for the dog.
I can gross you out. Next time, well, we'll go
to Ye. You will be shocked, I promise you. Yeah,
I like that. Before we get into the stories, uh,
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we like to talk about what is the daily zycheist.
We're trying to take a sample of the ideas out
there changing the world, whether we're paying attention or not.
We talked about politics, the president, news, but we also
talked about movies and supermarket tabloids. Uh. And it's a
interesting time in the zygeists were I like to say,
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we're waking up from the nightmare of history, is how
I think about it. And it seems like more that
is happening more and more recently. Stuff that was like
deemed okay in the past, we're suddenly looking at with
new eyes and saying, holy shit, Manhattan is about a pedophile. Uh.
And you know, winking about the quote casting couch isn't
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all right, that is rape. I think we're still in
the process and other things. I was listening to The Gist,
another daily podcast from Slate, uh, and he was talking
about how Dr Seuss is somewhat racist and made me
remember something we talked about back at Cracked that Disney's
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entire empires built around a central iconic character who is
designed based on a minstrel cartoon, like from the white
gloves and black skin to the big mouth and white eyes. Uh,
Mickey Mouse is based on a minstrel cartoon. Uh. And
it also gets worse from their right back there. Yeah,
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which I don't know. That's not what a mouse looks like.
That's what racial cartoons at the time were looked like.
So Uh, that's why we do what we do, is
that as matters were at a time of change and
progress in some areas and regress in other areas. Uh.
And we're trying to capture the whole big ball of
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it in forty five minutes each day. So I should
get to the stories. Then we're gonna start out with
John Kelly's interview on Fox News from a few nights back. Uh.
In which he UH defended Robert E Lee historical monster. Uh.
And this is kind of part of an overall UH
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propaganda campaign to make Robert E Lee seem like an
okay person. So he's not alone in believing this. But
let's let's hear that quote. This was supposed to be
like a softball interview that made him seem good. I
would tell you that that Robert E. Lee was an
honor man. Uh. He was a man that gave up,
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gave up his country to fight for his state, which
in a hundred fifty years ago was more important than country.
It was always loyalty to state first back in those
days now where it's different today. But the lack of
an ability to compromise led to the Civil War, and
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men and women of good faith on both sides made
their stand where their conscience had them make their stand.
M Yeah, so interesting. That's a take, certainly ignoring all
the literal compromises that happened for the outbreaking Civil War,
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like the Compromise of eighteen fifty or the Three Compromise,
A lot of compromise like that. It happened because of
a failure to continue compromising. I guess is his UH
is his points first is what is the promised that
we should have done to kept the Civil War from happening.
It is a really strange way of putting that. I mean,
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I have no idea. I mean that's he's advocating for
the expansion of slavery r because like that was like
one of the things even Abraham Lincoln talked about. Because
they're trying to expand like slavery to like US territories
in Cuba and protect their right for people to have
slavery in those areas. I mean, I think it's like
this is like on some I mean, as we all know,
noted negotiator Donald J. Trump, this is just something like
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it's like, okay, well, what's the negotiating position, man, Like
what is the what is your opening salvo or what's
like the South's like what do you want? Then? What
is the compromise? There's it's like so weirdly like cowardly
to just be like wink right, like just fucking say
it right. Um, it's a failure to compromise, So calling
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it a failure is very strange. Um. But the really
outright offense of like no possible way to positively interpret
that is Uh, this idea, idea that Robert E. Lee
was an honorable man. Uh he is. This is actually
part of a fifty year old propaganda campaign designed to
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basically erase slavery as the cause of the war and
whitewash the Confederate cause. But I I think I had
learned this myself, that Lee was just an honorable guy
caught up in a conflict because he couldn't take up
arms against Virginia and so he like, even though he
hated slavery, Uh, he wanted to uh you know, he
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he couldn't fight his own like neighbors and his own family,
and so he decided to like regretfully joined the Confederate side.
And that's just not true at all. He was like
a brutal slave owner who broke up slave families on
his property and like was known to whip his slaves
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and then you know, put briany water like salt on
their wounds. Uh. He was just like a monster, like
a historical monster that um. In the aftermath of the
Civil War, white supremacists have used him as a person
to sort of lionize so that people could, you know,
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have something to rally around, and so that white supremacists
sort of had a had a figurehead. Well even as
a general, right you know, uh, he was terrible, Like
he believed black POWs didn't deserve humane treatment and would
even use them as human shields. So there's like, even
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as a military person, you think John Kelly like, hey,
that's something a whack ass even military strategy. But even then,
all these people who try and paint the Civil War
for anything other than it is, it's because they're hiding
the fact that they actually think that that black people
aren't on equal footing in white people, that they don't
actually believe in racial equality. That's sort of the underpinnings
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of all this. And well and that the everything that
has pushed for equality is a direct at the expense
of white people, white Southern people. Well, that was the
fear even in the Antebellum period, is like if you
free these black slaves, they will they will dominate white
culture and they will oppress us. And you can even
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see that now, Like we talked about this with that
on your show when we were talking about that pole
that came out, Yeah, is this racist check that episode.
I was wonderful um that there were like there there's
this growing sentiment amongst white people that they do feel
that there are being victims of some form of racial oppression. Yeah. Right,
When he says that, you know, we're putting today's standards
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on the past, it implies basically that only white slaveholding
opinions mattered at that time, because, Uh, it's not like
the people who were slaves didn't know that slavery was evil. Yeah.
South South Carolina was a majority black back in eighteen sixty. Uh,
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Mississippi was majority black back in eighteen sixty. They knew
in their own time that slavery was wrong. Well, and
also there was a name for these people at the time,
like the fact that there were people called abolitionists, being
that by definition there were people at the time that
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knew that this was wrong, right, Like they have a name. Yeah,
it's like John Brown didn't think, you know, like if
you asked John Brown what he thought about fucking Roberty Lee,
he'd be like, yeah, he's a racist combat right. The
other thing is, you know, when he tries to say
this argument that he that Roberty Lee's noble because he
was fighting for his state or whatever, and like a
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lot of people do use this, like states rights argument
like all the way back there. But let's be you're
really they were loving federal power and oversight when it
was protecting slavery, and even like with like the Fugitive
Slave Act that like gave federal marshals the power to
just take any black person that they thought was escaped
slave or even person who may not have been in
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bondage back to the South for slavery. They were loving that.
So it's all very relative right to whatever even at
the time. Uh, they're sort of these contradictory arguments that
are being made right, but I feel like there's this thing,
like there's are the obvious like contradiction that's based on
just like the desire for political power and maintaining fucking
racist to gemony, but there is also the contradiction internally
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for these people who are like, well, we're not racists, like,
but why do they care? Like it's a little bit
the same as like Holocaust deniers, like neo Nazi holocaust deniers.
It's like why do you why are you making the
argument that there wasn't a holocaust if your sense you're
a neo Nazi, Like, I actually don't get what they're
a shamed of or I get, I get what they're
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shamed of, but I don't get why they're ashamed. I
think because that's how flawed the logic is. You know,
like if you want to if if you're going that
far to be a neo Nazi, that youre inherently you
must feel that there is some shame because you want
to deny that the Hall Gods even happen. Yeah, you mean,
but if they're such like brutal people to begin with,
then why are they bothering with the justification of like
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like their neo Nazis who think that, you know, we
should exterminate whatever, let's say Jews now, So why would
they be ashamed of in their mind hypothetical previous Yeah,
it's just very it's because they have wives that they
have to like win arguments with. I guess, yeah, they're thinking,
I don't know, like the people that are attempting to
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essentially like whitewash the history of the Confederacy, Like, I
actually don't understand why they're they lean so hard on
states rights as opposed to just saying, yeah, we like slaver, right,
we think white people are superior. Yeah, yeah, there was
a there was a study. I think recently too, they
showed of Trump supporters believed slavers shouldn't have never have ended,
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which is surprising. Yeah, I think it's a matter of
knowing that your beliefs won't uh look good in certain company,
and even like knowing that, yeah, you have a family,
you have kids who you have to like, you know,
talk in front of and like, are you going to
be willing to you know, be like, yeah, we're the
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we're the bad guys of history. Son. So what one
fact from Tanahasi Coates's response to this, which is an
amazing Twitter thread. I'm not usually a huge fan of
when I see the like one of thirty next to
someone's tweet, but this was one of the great uh
Twitter rents with like sourcing and stuff. And he pointed
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out that the Confederate Army actually went into northern States
and kidnapped free black men and you know, sent them
back down to the South to be slaves because in Pennsylvania, right, yeah, Pennsylvania.
And it was like basically every part of the Confederate
Army did that under the supervision of their superior officers.
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So it was like his it was an institutional policy,
not just that like, hey, don't mess with our slavery.
It was like, we want to bring slavery everywhere. We
think that like slavery should. And there's also like Coats
points out that like you don't have to sit in
a Harvard history seminar to understand, but you just have
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to actually read what the people who started the Civil
War actually said, like one of them wrote and like
one of the declarations was like our position is thoroughly
identified with the institution of slavery the greatest material interest
in the world. Uh. And then another one was like
I want Cuba and I know that sooner later we
must have it. Uh and talks about a couple of
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Mexican states that he wants and then he says, I
want them all for the same reason, for the planting
and spreading of slavery. It's like, well that's pretty clear,
you guys. Yeah, um, I don't know. I think this
all this, these Kelly remarks all kind of just show
you that this sort of mentality, like what's sort of
the genesis point of people who are who want to
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glamorize or make the Confederate cause noble. Essentially they are
all believers that I think that they're not actually interested
in racial equality at all, because if you're going to
defend yeah, I think, I mean, that's that's and that's
why you And it's easy to see now, like why
these certain images are are synonymous with white supremacis and
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things like that. Like imagine if any of those fucking
Confederate statues had I don't know, for instance, direct quotes
from any of the people that write underneath. Yeah, right,
or let's just p this out like a big neon
word bubble over the racist as that could be, that
could be gets subversive art projects, I like it. That's
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how we solve this um and also just make General
Kelly like read a mooticom of history. Well, but it's
also got to be a thing right where he's like
he's repeating white supremacist arguments the same way everyone in
the Trump administration and also in many ways the way
every Republican kind of has acted in a lot of
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ways a lot of the times, like it's like, oh,
racism is wrong, Like there's but there's a lot of sides,
voter id laws that really only affect one demographic. I mean, yeah,
there's dog Whistle City. Yeah, Like I none of this
is new, none of this scholarship is new. Like it's like,
you know, two hundred years of the same tired ass
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racist arguments. So like like we all were like, oh,
Kelly's the fucking adult. Kelly is the adult in the room.
And it's like, I mean, is he Nope? Yeah, no,
I think we can officially call him the artist formally
known as the Good One because he is uh, he
is a bad guy. We have officially learned that. And
he can change his name rather than even that just
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to a Confederate flag symbol. Yeah, yeah, like the artist.
All Right, we gotta go to a break. We will
be right back after that, and we're back. Uh. We're
going to talk about in this segment sort of the
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track record that this administration is putting together. Uh that's
sort of not too impressive when it comes to responding
to catastrophes. Uh. And we're going to start with, uh,
the horrifying events yesterday in New York City. Uh. Some
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dipshit uh mode down eight people. Uh after renting a
not a U haul truck, a pickup truck from depot. Uh.
Then he was shot and arrested by the NYPD. UH.
And yeah, so since we don't know the reason for
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the Vegas shooting, this is technically the largest terror attack
on US soil of the Trump presidency. UM. And not surprisingly,
Trump decided to politicize the murder of a bunch of Americans,
like almost immediately, he tweeted out about how he blamed
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an immigration policy and said he's trying to step up
extreme vetting, uh and blamed his friend Chuck Schumer. Yeah,
his buddy Chuck Schumer. He was like, this is a
Chuck Schumer beauty. Uh so, and I believe that vetting
program free dates Like that's a Georgia Yeah, yeah, another lie? Ye,
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well could spect man? Trump? Facts are fucked up, man,
if they don't help you. Right. It's weird. It's a
weird double standard because in the immediate aftermath of uh,
the mass shooting in Las Vegas, Fox News and UM
Sarah Sanders both said that, you know, they didn't think
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that this was any time to politicize, uh the tragedy
when people started asking about gun control. Um. But yeah,
there seemed to be a double standard because yesterday, when
it was a brown person uh doing the attack, it
was immediately a uh political issue. I mean, I guess
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one thing I do have to point out is interesting
because like the argument of not politicizing it works for
both sides because you'll see also to like build a Blasio,
his first thing was like, it's too like we should
not be politicizing this. And it's kind of the same thing.
Not to say that one's right or wrong, but it
just shows you the dynamic of just our political system
because if it's if it's a white person shooting people,
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then it's a gun control debate, and if it's a
brown person supposedly committing some kind of like extremist terrorism,
it's an immigration thing. Uh. And I found myself kind
of it was it was like the remarks were almost
exactly the same, depending on which side of it you're on. Yeah,
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there is sort of that like internal I mean, this
is the most base part of me. But every time
there's an emergency or like an attack of some kind,
I mean, part of me is just like, please don't
let like please let it be a white person, right
and and you know, because it's like a complex stew
of many awful things, but like part of me is
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like because if it's a brown person or a black person,
that will cause further problems for minorities, but that only
feeds whatever racial narrative. But also there's stuff only a
part of me that's like I want to have my
biases confirmed, you know what I mean. Um so you know,
and everyone does do that. There there is a thing
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where it's like it's not about not politicizing and when
a brown person does something, but it maybe there's a
way to talk about it in terms of like, hey,
this doesn't say anything about Islam, you know, or anything
more about Islam than it does about Christianity or any
other religion, you know what I mean, Like, because that's
what it is. It's it's as soon as it happens,
is like they're using that as evidence to create the
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this perception of of Muslims being people who should not
be in this country. Yeah, I mean that was George W.
Bush's first response after nine eleven, or one of his
first responses was to say that this has nothing to
do with the Muslim faith. It was just a thing
about you know, bad, bad actors. But then he then
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proceeds like that was a time when when the the
rhetoric and the policy was hugely disconnected, because then we
went into a war that was sold as a war
on you know, and in some quarters as a war
on Islam, you know, new crusade type of deal, I mean,
and and the no fly lists and things like that,
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which you know, again weren't improved under Obama and we're
some of them started under Bill Clinton. So it's not
like necessarily an ideological thing, but like, you know, we
continued to be very racist towards I mean, we're we're
being racist towards Arabs, you know, with a religion as
a proxy, which is how we've done it, yeah, forever.
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And that's the media too. I mean, it's like we've
completely poisoned ourselves with like these these storylines that people
can hop into easier, and unfortunately, like these are the
these are kinds of stories that like the media loves
too because it gets people in a frenzy. Yeah, there's
a part where it's like, yeah, obviously the media is
complicit in creating an audience that wants these biases confirmed
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about the dangerousness of brown people and the valor of
white people. Um, but there's a part of me that's
like when does when does that like kind of journalistic
idea become you know, or you know, do we have
a populist that's so fucked up that like it actually
becomes unethical to like give the people what they want
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or the news they want. Right. Yeah, Like the local
news vastly overrepresents crime, uh by brown people are non
white people. Uh. And that's probably because you know, the
local news feeds on fear, and white people will be
more scared of non white people, and so yeah, it feeds.
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It's just capitalism working essentially. But I think I think
we you know, we talked yesterday about how France has
like media blackouts forty four hours before their polls closed. Um.
I think other countries are less sort of purely capitalistic
about their media and how media likes and they they
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understand because ad dollars everything. Your show will be off
the air if advertisers, you know, are like, hey, we
don't like this. But the feedback loop is like, yeah,
we also create a populist that is more scared of
like brown, black and brown people. So it's like, what
Donald Trump being worse? I assume, Yeah, well, Donald Trump
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is the perfect creation of the news. He like only
watches news and then box, right, only Fox. But I mean,
I mean, I think he secretly watches the other ones,
and of course he's got to get mad about them. Um.
But you know he reacts to the news and you
know acts as the as the news will you know
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want him to act or will like most freak out.
It's like that, like a sociological phenomenal's called like cruel
and terrible world syndrome or whatever where where you were
people who watch the news too much like it like
completely just poisons your worldview, like because of the media
or whatever. Uh. So I mean this also expands not
just to you know, his response to terror. And we'll
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see how uh the response plays out in the coming days.
But um, we have seen how he responds to disasters.
Uh and you know how his words are translated to deeds.
Uh with the response to uh Puerto Rico and uh,
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the the UN actually earlier this week just called America's
response to Puerto Rico out. They said, we quote can't
fail to note the dissimilar urgency and priority given to
the emergency response in Puerto Rico compared to US states
affected by hurricanes in recent months. Uh. It was a
quote from Leilani Farha and who is a special rap
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rap per two Yer special reporter. Well it's it's felled weird, um,
but yeah, roughly seventy of Puerto Rico remains without power
still more than a month after Hurricane Maria struck. Roughly
a third of the island is without fresh drinking water.
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I mean, if the U n IS is shaming the U.
S government's response to this because it's so bad. And
there were a group of nurses from America who went
down there to Puerto Rico to help out with the
disaster aid and while they were there across the island,
they sort of they put a little report together to
to let FEMA know just how bad the situation was,
because clearly there are a lot of people who have
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not even who haven't had much interaction with FEMA, and
they were saying, there are things are like some of
the problems that are still happening, is there are people
standing in line four hours still for food and water,
with federal workers giving them paperwork instead of supplies. Do
you have residents in soaked homes with no roofs, where
there is black mold spreading and people are getting increased
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respiratory problems. There are rural towns that have never gotten
food and water supplies and yet have no running water
or electricity. There's an outbreak of leptospirosis. It's like a
bacterial disease that has already claimed lives, and multiple communities
do not have clean water. They are there at risk,
uh for outbreak of like water borne illness epidemics. So
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these people are actually dying. And the other thing is too,
is like it pads the numbers of what the actual
death toll is in for this hurricane, Like the official
one was something around like fifty one, but a lot
of people are saying because of the neglect and these
the abject conditions that people are living, when in after
the fact, is is contributing to a lot more death
that we're not actually saying like, oh, that's part of
(32:01):
the hurricane, that's you know, the hurricane response itself has
led to arguably probably more destruction and death. Yeah. Well,
it's like it's like this thing where like because it's
harder to establish a direct line of causality, like I mean,
this is conducting violence on brown people, This is causing
loss of life through neglect and incompetence, and you know,
(32:24):
or competence, I guess like incompetence is a weird thing
where it's like, you know, incompetence at what because I
think they're very competent and what they want to be doing,
which was not giving a ship. Sometimes well I mean
if you define what they want to be doing in
the right way, this is what I mean. Um, but yeah,
(32:44):
even I guess even you're right, even this like clumsy
graft was pretty incompetently executed. It's like a bummer man,
Like we laugh and ship because it's like, oh man,
they're so dumb or whatever. I mean when like people
are straight up like suffering and horrible American people, man,
And just because they don't live on the mainland and
(33:05):
we've mothered them because they live on an island and
they also speak Spanish, that we're doing this ship and
I mean like not we the people in this room,
but like, well, I mean I think partially there's a
thing where it's like we all need to take a
little responsibility for this, you know. I mean, it's sorry,
it's just it's easy to be like, well, they're doing this,
they're doing this, they're doing this, and I find myself
(33:25):
in this trap too. But it's like, you know, like
it or not fucking Trump as our president. And we
are the part of the reason why this is an
outrageous because this is in our name, with our resources,
with our you know, this is us on NBC. All Right,
We're gonna go to a quick break with that and uh,
(33:47):
we'll be right back and we're back. So for this
incredibly dark episode, our fund story that we're going to
go out on is appropriately enough Hitler which uh. Which
(34:11):
So in a weird detail of all the JFK files
that were released, UM, one of the memos was concerning
an informant who was a former s S officer that
was alleging that Hitler was alive and living in Columbia, UM.
And so, according to this guy's version of events, Hitler
(34:36):
like wasn't even that secretive about it. He was living
in a community with a bunch of other escaped Nazis
who openly referred to him as dear fere uh and
greeted him with the Nazi salute. And he was going
by the name Adolph Shriddle Mayer uh, which suggests Hitler
didn't want to change his first name. Like a stand
(34:58):
up comedian starring in a net work sitcom, UM and
the memo actually include the photo of the source posing
next to Hitler and Hitler like looks almost identical. So
again it's he has the same mustache, which you think
you think he's trying to be incognito and maybe that's
(35:19):
his look. Yeah, I'd be like if Slash killed someone
and then went on the run and despite being a fugitive,
still wore the top hat and carried a guitar and
at the same hair. Yeah. Um. But so Jam McNabb,
one of our writers, kind of went down a research
hole into like how possible this is? And it's really weird. Like,
(35:43):
so the way that we identified Hitler after he killed himself,
apparently his body was apparently his body was badly burnt. Uh,
And so they took his jaws uh from his body
uh and they were given to a woman by the Soviets.
(36:03):
Uh And because they could count on they were like,
a woman won't get drunk and lose it. Um, that's
why they gave it to him. Yeah, that's what that
was the reasoning they used. Apparently they needed to justify
giving Hitler's jaws to a woman. But like he hold
how the lady hold that? Right? We'll get too use it.
But so the way that they were identified was they
(36:24):
found someone who said they were the assistant to Hitler's
personal dentist, and the assistant to Hitler's dentist was like, Yep,
that's what Hitler's bridge work looked like. That's what Hitler's
jaw looked like, because he had like a lot of
like he didn't have a regular grill, Like, there's a
lot of bridge work done, right, That's that's the reason
(36:45):
why they say, like, that's how this person could identify it.
But also at the same time, like's it's not like
a unique situation if you have a lot of bridge work.
It's also the assistant to his dentist and the dentist
like so probably a Nazi, Like who's I don't know,
dental hygienists. It's if you really were let's for a
(37:08):
second believe this theory that it is, Like that's exactly
what you do. They'd like, look, fan, just be cool.
All you have to do is say this is Hitler
and be cool. And they're just going off of this
guy's word like they have. I don't think really much
else aside from this is like, yeah, I was the
assistant to the personal dentist, Like I have no actual
dental training. I was just the assistant. But yeah, that's Hitler.
(37:31):
You know Hitler's Joe when you see it. Apparently, so
this apparently is uh a conspiracy theory that the Soviets.
We we've talked in the past. How a lot of
the conspiracy theories that people believe to this day are
things that were spread or reinforced by the KGB, like
(37:52):
a bunch of JFK conspiracy theories, the government creating aids
and um yeah, anything so big, any kind of discontent
without regard to ideology. It's just like make them confused
and make their populist dumb. Yeah. I'm not sure what
the purpose of this was, but apparently nuclear winters the
idea that the aftermath of a nuclear war would be
(38:15):
a weird winter like thing. Uh, it was also invented
by the KGB. That's not I still believed that. I'm
still very recently. Wait, what what is the what is
the current thinking. I don't know that we'll have to
have a nuclear war to find out. I'm their dogs. Uh.
(38:36):
But anyways, so the CIA's conclusion was this person this
was a quote fantasy. Um, but It's just interesting that
our entire knowledge that Hitler is dead. I guess he
would be dead by now of old age. But our
whole entire basis for the belief that he died in
(38:57):
that bunker was just one nal hygienis assistant. Um so, yeah,
but that was Ava Brown in there right, obviously, Okay,
probably we all know her. We all know her. That
is like the grimmest work fucking possible, now, separating a
burnt corpse's job on, Hey, could you grab that jaw? Yeah,
(39:22):
she won't get drunk. I know people that don't like
bones in their chicken. It's just too grimm a reminder. Yeah, man,
So what do you think, Jackie think? Uh? Is Hitler ted?
Is this? Uh you're willing to jump on board this
conspiracy theory? No? No, no, I think I think it's
(39:44):
just I believe that he, like they say, narcissists are
extremely susceptible to suicide, especially when their whole like narcissistic
kind of world collapses. It seems like him killing himself
is the logical conclusion into his story. Um So, I
don't know. I think one one way I like to
(40:06):
kind of approach conspiracy theories too, is like, just imagine
pulling this off. Like if you I just say, if
you're pulling this off, you would just be like, this
guy's a dentist. If nothing else, you would say, this
guy's a dentist, right right, exactly. It's a it's a
fun one. Yeah. I just like the idea of Hitler
straight up sneaking out of Berlin with his mustache still
(40:26):
intact and be like, hey, we gotta get out of here.
But I mean, look, on the other hand, if that
is really Hitler, what a bold move. I can't imagine
having that kind of confidence of like, well the mustache stays, yeah,
whatever the funk else it's my thing, you guys, Yeah,
all right, this was fun. Andrew, where can people follow you? Uh?
(40:50):
Andrew T. That's the last time I spelled T. I
was this racist. Listen to my very special cast. These
motherfucker They were really great. They were really great their
episode and it's nice to have a little podcast synergy.
Oh yeah, this is like, this is just heartwork. It's
just starting to percoctly, baby, he's just starting to percoct miles.
(41:13):
Where can people find you? Percolating? You can find me
percolating on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Great. You
can follow me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You
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That's also we have a Facebook page, the Daily Zeitgeist.
We have a website that is just daily Zeitgeist dot
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com and our Twitter is daily Zeitgeist. Uh. And that's
gonna do it for today. We will be back tomorrow
because it is a daily podcast. Thanks for listening it
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st
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season four, Episode four
of The Daily Zeitgeist a k a. The White Bashing
cuck Fest. According to one of our reviews, hey hey,
oh uh it is November the second, two thousand seventeen.
My name is Jack O'Brien a K. Potatoes O'Brien, and
I'm joined as always by my co host, Mr Miles Gray. Hello,
(00:22):
and I just want to tell all my people out there,
I love you, don't matter what's your race, creed, or color.
And that's our guest. He is the host of one
of my favorite podcasts, uh that Miles and I had
the pleasure of guesting on very recently. I think it's
up as of yesterday. Uh. He is Andrew t Uh
(00:45):
and the show is yours this racist? What up? Andrew?
What's up there? He is? It's also one of one
of our best guests that we've had so far on
this show. He is a returning guest. Nailed it the
first time. I mean, you know, for you, what's it
like being on season one and now being on season four?
Oh my god? The arc of like the the amount
(01:06):
you guys have grown and changed, I think is the
real thing. Um. The Miles character really like turned into something.
I guess it was very thin at the top, but
you know, like my hair, it feels right, that inner
conflict that we won't say. Yeah, well, that'll be revealed
in the season six cliffhanger. You guys will know Andrew,
(01:26):
what's something you've searched in the not too distant past
that is revealing about who you are as a human being?
Uh so of listeners might remember last time I was
on I had turned off my search history like tracking
on Google. Yes, we got a lot of a lot
of flak about that. Did you really know? That is
(01:47):
literally how full of myself? I like, well, of course
that was the thing that really made a splash um
And as the intro was starting, I realized I hadn't
turned it back on. Good so you'll still stay in
the grid. The craziest thing though, that that I've been
watching on YouTube that I I even subscribe to. So
(02:08):
this is just a thing that is part of my
media diet. Now there's this fucking weird Danish guy that
it's like a survivalist who lives in like the middle
of nowhere in Russia and he just does these videos
that are awesome. Did you be like like ancient survival skills. Know,
they're like like he walks around with an a k
at all times, and it's just like like but he's
(02:29):
like he's just like a camping guy, like you know,
like the other weird survivalist ship I was watching, but
he's like he's this dude, he's I think I have
this new category of YouTube, which is I'm realizing most
categories of dudes that I'm interested in exactly one thing
(02:49):
that they're knowledge about, knowledgeable about, and like thoroughly uninterested
in everything else they would have to say. I was like, oh, man,
whatever this guy thinks about global politics, the world, black people,
I'm positive I don't want to know. Um, that's I
like that, that's a dark insinuation. You're probably a fine person. Mr.
(03:12):
Survival Russia. What is his name? Or how can people
find time? Just survival Russia? Survival Russia. This jolly Danish
dude like in the middle, like making humongous Like the
last the last video I watched of his, he was
really stressed out because it was a big spruce tree
that fell. It's like, how am I going to deal
with this spruce wow problem? That's what I got what's overrated? Overrated? Preparation.
(03:40):
I made a bunch of attempts at coming up with
a funny one, and I was like, fuck it, I'm
gonna wing it. I'm gonna wing it because I got nothing.
I couldn't come up with anything funny, you know what.
Having said that, I'm going to undercut myself right now,
I am happy with my underrated what is it? What
is today? Um? Oh, you know what? But this also
(04:02):
cuts to the preparation thing because we had discussed before
we started recording not talking about this potentially. But I'm
going to funk up all y'all's plans right now and
say my underrated thing is it's not as bad as
you think being two blocks from a World Series game.
Because I'm really stressed out. I was like, my fucking
neighborhood is going to be like a mess. It's going
(04:24):
to be a nightmare, and it has been not that
bad right next to your stadium pretty close. Yeah, Like
I was joking about this, and this is I'm sure
there's some funck up antecedent to this train of thought,
but I was like, if there's like a riot of
(04:44):
some kind, you know, I'm not in prime car burning territory.
But I'm in car burning terror. At least your Instagram
will be late. Yeah exactly, she's about to get uh
literally lit. Yeah. Anyway, it's not been that bad everyone ever.
I think it's because tickets are so expensive that like
(05:05):
people are like, yo, I'm here to see fucking baseball,
Like I need to see every second of this baseball
people are serious about this. Yeah, I mean serious. The
I think like the seats down in the like stadium club,
like twelve grand a pope. Can you imagine doing that
good spending over presumable. I guess it's not for these people,
(05:26):
but like multiple months rent on a baseball game, I don't.
I don't even pay my rent, like delinquent on it.
And it's really it's some ship where I was just
like because the only thing I like about baseball is
about going to a baseball game is not paying attention
to the baseball game. And I wouldn't be able to
not pay attention not for them. I do that start
(05:49):
the wave during like like, hey, what's everyone's problem? All
I'm doing in a baseball game is trying to see
if the people there with will be grossed out if
I have another hot dog right that. I'm just like,
you have to wait an inning every time I go.
Every time I go there. Sometimes we have the pleasure
(06:11):
of of going into the Luxury State or the Lex
Club where like all the food is free, and I
will man, I will load up on the dogs. I
don't care. I don't care. I don't care for the dog.
I can gross you out. Next time, well, we'll go
to Ye. You will be shocked, I promise you. Yeah,
I like that. Before we get into the stories, uh,
(06:32):
we like to talk about what is the daily zycheist.
We're trying to take a sample of the ideas out
there changing the world, whether we're paying attention or not.
We talked about politics, the president, news, but we also
talked about movies and supermarket tabloids. Uh. And it's a
interesting time in the zygeists were I like to say,
(06:53):
we're waking up from the nightmare of history, is how
I think about it. And it seems like more that
is happening more and more recently. Stuff that was like
deemed okay in the past, we're suddenly looking at with
new eyes and saying, holy shit, Manhattan is about a pedophile. Uh.
And you know, winking about the quote casting couch isn't
(07:16):
all right, that is rape. I think we're still in
the process and other things. I was listening to The Gist,
another daily podcast from Slate, uh, and he was talking
about how Dr Seuss is somewhat racist and made me
remember something we talked about back at Cracked that Disney's
(07:37):
entire empires built around a central iconic character who is
designed based on a minstrel cartoon, like from the white
gloves and black skin to the big mouth and white eyes. Uh,
Mickey Mouse is based on a minstrel cartoon. Uh. And
it also gets worse from their right back there. Yeah,
(07:59):
which I don't know. That's not what a mouse looks like.
That's what racial cartoons at the time were looked like.
So Uh, that's why we do what we do, is
that as matters were at a time of change and
progress in some areas and regress in other areas. Uh.
And we're trying to capture the whole big ball of
(08:20):
it in forty five minutes each day. So I should
get to the stories. Then we're gonna start out with
John Kelly's interview on Fox News from a few nights back. Uh.
In which he UH defended Robert E Lee historical monster. Uh.
And this is kind of part of an overall UH
(08:42):
propaganda campaign to make Robert E Lee seem like an
okay person. So he's not alone in believing this. But
let's let's hear that quote. This was supposed to be
like a softball interview that made him seem good. I
would tell you that that Robert E. Lee was an
honor man. Uh. He was a man that gave up,
(09:03):
gave up his country to fight for his state, which
in a hundred fifty years ago was more important than country.
It was always loyalty to state first back in those
days now where it's different today. But the lack of
an ability to compromise led to the Civil War, and
(09:24):
men and women of good faith on both sides made
their stand where their conscience had them make their stand.
M Yeah, so interesting. That's a take, certainly ignoring all
the literal compromises that happened for the outbreaking Civil War,
(09:44):
like the Compromise of eighteen fifty or the Three Compromise,
A lot of compromise like that. It happened because of
a failure to continue compromising. I guess is his UH
is his points first is what is the promised that
we should have done to kept the Civil War from happening.
It is a really strange way of putting that. I mean,
(10:07):
I have no idea. I mean that's he's advocating for
the expansion of slavery r because like that was like
one of the things even Abraham Lincoln talked about. Because
they're trying to expand like slavery to like US territories
in Cuba and protect their right for people to have
slavery in those areas. I mean, I think it's like
this is like on some I mean, as we all know,
noted negotiator Donald J. Trump, this is just something like
(10:29):
it's like, okay, well, what's the negotiating position, man, Like
what is the what is your opening salvo or what's
like the South's like what do you want? Then? What
is the compromise? There's it's like so weirdly like cowardly
to just be like wink right, like just fucking say
it right. Um, it's a failure to compromise, So calling
(10:53):
it a failure is very strange. Um. But the really
outright offense of like no possible way to positively interpret
that is Uh, this idea, idea that Robert E. Lee
was an honorable man. Uh he is. This is actually
part of a fifty year old propaganda campaign designed to
(11:16):
basically erase slavery as the cause of the war and
whitewash the Confederate cause. But I I think I had
learned this myself, that Lee was just an honorable guy
caught up in a conflict because he couldn't take up
arms against Virginia and so he like, even though he
hated slavery, Uh, he wanted to uh you know, he
(11:41):
he couldn't fight his own like neighbors and his own family,
and so he decided to like regretfully joined the Confederate side.
And that's just not true at all. He was like
a brutal slave owner who broke up slave families on
his property and like was known to whip his slaves
(12:04):
and then you know, put briany water like salt on
their wounds. Uh. He was just like a monster, like
a historical monster that um. In the aftermath of the
Civil War, white supremacists have used him as a person
to sort of lionize so that people could, you know,
(12:27):
have something to rally around, and so that white supremacists
sort of had a had a figurehead. Well even as
a general, right you know, uh, he was terrible, Like
he believed black POWs didn't deserve humane treatment and would
even use them as human shields. So there's like, even
(12:47):
as a military person, you think John Kelly like, hey,
that's something a whack ass even military strategy. But even then,
all these people who try and paint the Civil War
for anything other than it is, it's because they're hiding
the fact that they actually think that that black people
aren't on equal footing in white people, that they don't
actually believe in racial equality. That's sort of the underpinnings
(13:07):
of all this. And well and that the everything that
has pushed for equality is a direct at the expense
of white people, white Southern people. Well, that was the
fear even in the Antebellum period, is like if you
free these black slaves, they will they will dominate white
culture and they will oppress us. And you can even
(13:28):
see that now, Like we talked about this with that
on your show when we were talking about that pole
that came out, Yeah, is this racist check that episode.
I was wonderful um that there were like there there's
this growing sentiment amongst white people that they do feel
that there are being victims of some form of racial oppression. Yeah. Right,
When he says that, you know, we're putting today's standards
(13:53):
on the past, it implies basically that only white slaveholding
opinions mattered at that time, because, Uh, it's not like
the people who were slaves didn't know that slavery was evil. Yeah.
South South Carolina was a majority black back in eighteen sixty. Uh,
(14:13):
Mississippi was majority black back in eighteen sixty. They knew
in their own time that slavery was wrong. Well, and
also there was a name for these people at the time,
like the fact that there were people called abolitionists, being
that by definition there were people at the time that
(14:33):
knew that this was wrong, right, Like they have a name. Yeah,
it's like John Brown didn't think, you know, like if
you asked John Brown what he thought about fucking Roberty Lee,
he'd be like, yeah, he's a racist combat right. The
other thing is, you know, when he tries to say
this argument that he that Roberty Lee's noble because he
was fighting for his state or whatever, and like a
(14:55):
lot of people do use this, like states rights argument
like all the way back there. But let's be you're
really they were loving federal power and oversight when it
was protecting slavery, and even like with like the Fugitive
Slave Act that like gave federal marshals the power to
just take any black person that they thought was escaped
slave or even person who may not have been in
(15:15):
bondage back to the South for slavery. They were loving that.
So it's all very relative right to whatever even at
the time. Uh, they're sort of these contradictory arguments that
are being made right, but I feel like there's this thing,
like there's are the obvious like contradiction that's based on
just like the desire for political power and maintaining fucking
racist to gemony, but there is also the contradiction internally
(15:41):
for these people who are like, well, we're not racists, like,
but why do they care? Like it's a little bit
the same as like Holocaust deniers, like neo Nazi holocaust deniers.
It's like why do you why are you making the
argument that there wasn't a holocaust if your sense you're
a neo Nazi, Like, I actually don't get what they're
a shamed of or I get, I get what they're
(16:03):
shamed of, but I don't get why they're ashamed. I
think because that's how flawed the logic is. You know,
like if you want to if if you're going that
far to be a neo Nazi, that youre inherently you
must feel that there is some shame because you want
to deny that the Hall Gods even happen. Yeah, you mean,
but if they're such like brutal people to begin with,
then why are they bothering with the justification of like
(16:25):
like their neo Nazis who think that, you know, we
should exterminate whatever, let's say Jews now, So why would
they be ashamed of in their mind hypothetical previous Yeah,
it's just very it's because they have wives that they
have to like win arguments with. I guess, yeah, they're thinking,
I don't know, like the people that are attempting to
(16:48):
essentially like whitewash the history of the Confederacy, Like, I
actually don't understand why they're they lean so hard on
states rights as opposed to just saying, yeah, we like slaver, right,
we think white people are superior. Yeah, yeah, there was
a there was a study. I think recently too, they
showed of Trump supporters believed slavers shouldn't have never have ended,
(17:10):
which is surprising. Yeah, I think it's a matter of
knowing that your beliefs won't uh look good in certain company,
and even like knowing that, yeah, you have a family,
you have kids who you have to like, you know,
talk in front of and like, are you going to
be willing to you know, be like, yeah, we're the
(17:32):
we're the bad guys of history. Son. So what one
fact from Tanahasi Coates's response to this, which is an
amazing Twitter thread. I'm not usually a huge fan of
when I see the like one of thirty next to
someone's tweet, but this was one of the great uh
Twitter rents with like sourcing and stuff. And he pointed
(17:54):
out that the Confederate Army actually went into northern States
and kidnapped free black men and you know, sent them
back down to the South to be slaves because in Pennsylvania, right, yeah, Pennsylvania.
And it was like basically every part of the Confederate
Army did that under the supervision of their superior officers.
(18:18):
So it was like his it was an institutional policy,
not just that like, hey, don't mess with our slavery.
It was like, we want to bring slavery everywhere. We
think that like slavery should. And there's also like Coats
points out that like you don't have to sit in
a Harvard history seminar to understand, but you just have
(18:40):
to actually read what the people who started the Civil
War actually said, like one of them wrote and like
one of the declarations was like our position is thoroughly
identified with the institution of slavery the greatest material interest
in the world. Uh. And then another one was like
I want Cuba and I know that sooner later we
must have it. Uh and talks about a couple of
(19:03):
Mexican states that he wants and then he says, I
want them all for the same reason, for the planting
and spreading of slavery. It's like, well that's pretty clear,
you guys. Yeah, um, I don't know. I think this
all this, these Kelly remarks all kind of just show
you that this sort of mentality, like what's sort of
the genesis point of people who are who want to
(19:26):
glamorize or make the Confederate cause noble. Essentially they are
all believers that I think that they're not actually interested
in racial equality at all, because if you're going to
defend yeah, I think, I mean, that's that's and that's
why you And it's easy to see now, like why
these certain images are are synonymous with white supremacis and
(19:47):
things like that. Like imagine if any of those fucking
Confederate statues had I don't know, for instance, direct quotes
from any of the people that write underneath. Yeah, right,
or let's just p this out like a big neon
word bubble over the racist as that could be, that
could be gets subversive art projects, I like it. That's
(20:10):
how we solve this um and also just make General
Kelly like read a mooticom of history. Well, but it's
also got to be a thing right where he's like
he's repeating white supremacist arguments the same way everyone in
the Trump administration and also in many ways the way
every Republican kind of has acted in a lot of
(20:30):
ways a lot of the times, like it's like, oh,
racism is wrong, Like there's but there's a lot of sides,
voter id laws that really only affect one demographic. I mean, yeah,
there's dog Whistle City. Yeah, Like I none of this
is new, none of this scholarship is new. Like it's like,
you know, two hundred years of the same tired ass
(20:50):
racist arguments. So like like we all were like, oh,
Kelly's the fucking adult. Kelly is the adult in the room.
And it's like, I mean, is he Nope? Yeah, no,
I think we can officially call him the artist formally
known as the Good One because he is uh, he
is a bad guy. We have officially learned that. And
he can change his name rather than even that just
(21:12):
to a Confederate flag symbol. Yeah, yeah, like the artist.
All Right, we gotta go to a break. We will
be right back after that, and we're back. Uh. We're
going to talk about in this segment sort of the
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track record that this administration is putting together. Uh that's
sort of not too impressive when it comes to responding
to catastrophes. Uh. And we're going to start with, uh,
the horrifying events yesterday in New York City. Uh. Some
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dipshit uh mode down eight people. Uh after renting a
not a U haul truck, a pickup truck from depot. Uh.
Then he was shot and arrested by the NYPD. UH.
And yeah, so since we don't know the reason for
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the Vegas shooting, this is technically the largest terror attack
on US soil of the Trump presidency. UM. And not surprisingly,
Trump decided to politicize the murder of a bunch of Americans,
like almost immediately, he tweeted out about how he blamed
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an immigration policy and said he's trying to step up
extreme vetting, uh and blamed his friend Chuck Schumer. Yeah,
his buddy Chuck Schumer. He was like, this is a
Chuck Schumer beauty. Uh so, and I believe that vetting
program free dates Like that's a Georgia Yeah, yeah, another lie? Ye,
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well could spect man? Trump? Facts are fucked up, man,
if they don't help you. Right. It's weird. It's a
weird double standard because in the immediate aftermath of uh,
the mass shooting in Las Vegas, Fox News and UM
Sarah Sanders both said that, you know, they didn't think
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that this was any time to politicize, uh the tragedy
when people started asking about gun control. Um. But yeah,
there seemed to be a double standard because yesterday, when
it was a brown person uh doing the attack, it
was immediately a uh political issue. I mean, I guess
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one thing I do have to point out is interesting
because like the argument of not politicizing it works for
both sides because you'll see also to like build a Blasio,
his first thing was like, it's too like we should
not be politicizing this. And it's kind of the same thing.
Not to say that one's right or wrong, but it
just shows you the dynamic of just our political system
because if it's if it's a white person shooting people,
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then it's a gun control debate, and if it's a
brown person supposedly committing some kind of like extremist terrorism,
it's an immigration thing. Uh. And I found myself kind
of it was it was like the remarks were almost
exactly the same, depending on which side of it you're on. Yeah,
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there is sort of that like internal I mean, this
is the most base part of me. But every time
there's an emergency or like an attack of some kind,
I mean, part of me is just like, please don't
let like please let it be a white person, right
and and you know, because it's like a complex stew
of many awful things, but like part of me is
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like because if it's a brown person or a black person,
that will cause further problems for minorities, but that only
feeds whatever racial narrative. But also there's stuff only a
part of me that's like I want to have my
biases confirmed, you know what I mean. Um so you know,
and everyone does do that. There there is a thing
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where it's like it's not about not politicizing and when
a brown person does something, but it maybe there's a
way to talk about it in terms of like, hey,
this doesn't say anything about Islam, you know, or anything
more about Islam than it does about Christianity or any
other religion, you know what I mean, Like, because that's
what it is. It's it's as soon as it happens,
is like they're using that as evidence to create the
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this perception of of Muslims being people who should not
be in this country. Yeah, I mean that was George W.
Bush's first response after nine eleven, or one of his
first responses was to say that this has nothing to
do with the Muslim faith. It was just a thing
about you know, bad, bad actors. But then he then
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proceeds like that was a time when when the the
rhetoric and the policy was hugely disconnected, because then we
went into a war that was sold as a war
on you know, and in some quarters as a war
on Islam, you know, new crusade type of deal, I mean,
and and the no fly lists and things like that,
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which you know, again weren't improved under Obama and we're
some of them started under Bill Clinton. So it's not
like necessarily an ideological thing, but like, you know, we
continued to be very racist towards I mean, we're we're
being racist towards Arabs, you know, with a religion as
a proxy, which is how we've done it, yeah, forever.
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And that's the media too. I mean, it's like we've
completely poisoned ourselves with like these these storylines that people
can hop into easier, and unfortunately, like these are the
these are kinds of stories that like the media loves
too because it gets people in a frenzy. Yeah, there's
a part where it's like, yeah, obviously the media is
complicit in creating an audience that wants these biases confirmed
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about the dangerousness of brown people and the valor of
white people. Um, but there's a part of me that's
like when does when does that like kind of journalistic
idea become you know, or you know, do we have
a populist that's so fucked up that like it actually
becomes unethical to like give the people what they want
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or the news they want. Right. Yeah, Like the local
news vastly overrepresents crime, uh by brown people are non
white people. Uh. And that's probably because you know, the
local news feeds on fear, and white people will be
more scared of non white people, and so yeah, it feeds.
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It's just capitalism working essentially. But I think I think
we you know, we talked yesterday about how France has
like media blackouts forty four hours before their polls closed. Um.
I think other countries are less sort of purely capitalistic
about their media and how media likes and they they
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understand because ad dollars everything. Your show will be off
the air if advertisers, you know, are like, hey, we
don't like this. But the feedback loop is like, yeah,
we also create a populist that is more scared of
like brown, black and brown people. So it's like, what
Donald Trump being worse? I assume, Yeah, well, Donald Trump
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is the perfect creation of the news. He like only
watches news and then box, right, only Fox. But I mean,
I mean, I think he secretly watches the other ones,
and of course he's got to get mad about them. Um.
But you know he reacts to the news and you
know acts as the as the news will you know
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want him to act or will like most freak out.
It's like that, like a sociological phenomenal's called like cruel
and terrible world syndrome or whatever where where you were
people who watch the news too much like it like
completely just poisons your worldview, like because of the media
or whatever. Uh. So I mean this also expands not
just to you know, his response to terror. And we'll
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see how uh the response plays out in the coming days.
But um, we have seen how he responds to disasters.
Uh and you know how his words are translated to deeds.
Uh with the response to uh Puerto Rico and uh,
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the the UN actually earlier this week just called America's
response to Puerto Rico out. They said, we quote can't
fail to note the dissimilar urgency and priority given to
the emergency response in Puerto Rico compared to US states
affected by hurricanes in recent months. Uh. It was a
quote from Leilani Farha and who is a special rap
(30:10):
rap per two Yer special reporter. Well it's it's felled weird, um,
but yeah, roughly seventy of Puerto Rico remains without power
still more than a month after Hurricane Maria struck. Roughly
a third of the island is without fresh drinking water.
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I mean, if the U n IS is shaming the U.
S government's response to this because it's so bad. And
there were a group of nurses from America who went
down there to Puerto Rico to help out with the
disaster aid and while they were there across the island,
they sort of they put a little report together to
to let FEMA know just how bad the situation was,
because clearly there are a lot of people who have
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not even who haven't had much interaction with FEMA, and
they were saying, there are things are like some of
the problems that are still happening, is there are people
standing in line four hours still for food and water,
with federal workers giving them paperwork instead of supplies. Do
you have residents in soaked homes with no roofs, where
there is black mold spreading and people are getting increased
(31:18):
respiratory problems. There are rural towns that have never gotten
food and water supplies and yet have no running water
or electricity. There's an outbreak of leptospirosis. It's like a
bacterial disease that has already claimed lives, and multiple communities
do not have clean water. They are there at risk,
uh for outbreak of like water borne illness epidemics. So
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these people are actually dying. And the other thing is too,
is like it pads the numbers of what the actual
death toll is in for this hurricane, Like the official
one was something around like fifty one, but a lot
of people are saying because of the neglect and these
the abject conditions that people are living, when in after
the fact, is is contributing to a lot more death
that we're not actually saying like, oh, that's part of
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the hurricane, that's you know, the hurricane response itself has
led to arguably probably more destruction and death. Yeah. Well,
it's like it's like this thing where like because it's
harder to establish a direct line of causality, like I mean,
this is conducting violence on brown people, This is causing
loss of life through neglect and incompetence, and you know,
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or competence, I guess like incompetence is a weird thing
where it's like, you know, incompetence at what because I
think they're very competent and what they want to be doing,
which was not giving a ship. Sometimes well I mean
if you define what they want to be doing in
the right way, this is what I mean. Um, but yeah,
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even I guess even you're right, even this like clumsy
graft was pretty incompetently executed. It's like a bummer man,
Like we laugh and ship because it's like, oh man,
they're so dumb or whatever. I mean when like people
are straight up like suffering and horrible American people, man,
And just because they don't live on the mainland and
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we've mothered them because they live on an island and
they also speak Spanish, that we're doing this ship and
I mean like not we the people in this room,
but like, well, I mean I think partially there's a
thing where it's like we all need to take a
little responsibility for this, you know. I mean, it's sorry,
it's just it's easy to be like, well, they're doing this,
they're doing this, they're doing this, and I find myself
(33:25):
in this trap too. But it's like, you know, like
it or not fucking Trump as our president. And we
are the part of the reason why this is an
outrageous because this is in our name, with our resources,
with our you know, this is us on NBC. All Right,
We're gonna go to a quick break with that and uh,
(33:47):
we'll be right back and we're back. So for this
incredibly dark episode, our fund story that we're going to
go out on is appropriately enough Hitler which uh. Which
(34:11):
So in a weird detail of all the JFK files
that were released, UM, one of the memos was concerning
an informant who was a former s S officer that
was alleging that Hitler was alive and living in Columbia, UM.
And so, according to this guy's version of events, Hitler
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like wasn't even that secretive about it. He was living
in a community with a bunch of other escaped Nazis
who openly referred to him as dear fere uh and
greeted him with the Nazi salute. And he was going
by the name Adolph Shriddle Mayer uh, which suggests Hitler
didn't want to change his first name. Like a stand
(34:58):
up comedian starring in a net work sitcom, UM and
the memo actually include the photo of the source posing
next to Hitler and Hitler like looks almost identical. So
again it's he has the same mustache, which you think
you think he's trying to be incognito and maybe that's
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his look. Yeah, I'd be like if Slash killed someone
and then went on the run and despite being a fugitive,
still wore the top hat and carried a guitar and
at the same hair. Yeah. Um. But so Jam McNabb,
one of our writers, kind of went down a research
hole into like how possible this is? And it's really weird. Like,
(35:43):
so the way that we identified Hitler after he killed himself,
apparently his body was apparently his body was badly burnt. Uh,
And so they took his jaws uh from his body
uh and they were given to a woman by the Soviets.
(36:03):
Uh And because they could count on they were like,
a woman won't get drunk and lose it. Um, that's
why they gave it to him. Yeah, that's what that
was the reasoning they used. Apparently they needed to justify
giving Hitler's jaws to a woman. But like he hold
how the lady hold that? Right? We'll get too use it.
But so the way that they were identified was they
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found someone who said they were the assistant to Hitler's
personal dentist, and the assistant to Hitler's dentist was like, Yep,
that's what Hitler's bridge work looked like. That's what Hitler's
jaw looked like, because he had like a lot of
like he didn't have a regular grill, Like, there's a
lot of bridge work done, right, That's that's the reason
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why they say, like, that's how this person could identify it.
But also at the same time, like's it's not like
a unique situation if you have a lot of bridge work.
It's also the assistant to his dentist and the dentist
like so probably a Nazi, Like who's I don't know,
dental hygienists. It's if you really were let's for a
(37:08):
second believe this theory that it is, Like that's exactly
what you do. They'd like, look, fan, just be cool.
All you have to do is say this is Hitler
and be cool. And they're just going off of this
guy's word like they have. I don't think really much
else aside from this is like, yeah, I was the
assistant to the personal dentist, Like I have no actual
dental training. I was just the assistant. But yeah, that's Hitler.
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You know Hitler's Joe when you see it. Apparently, so
this apparently is uh a conspiracy theory that the Soviets.
We we've talked in the past. How a lot of
the conspiracy theories that people believe to this day are
things that were spread or reinforced by the KGB, like
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a bunch of JFK conspiracy theories, the government creating aids
and um yeah, anything so big, any kind of discontent
without regard to ideology. It's just like make them confused
and make their populist dumb. Yeah. I'm not sure what
the purpose of this was, but apparently nuclear winters the
idea that the aftermath of a nuclear war would be
(38:15):
a weird winter like thing. Uh, it was also invented
by the KGB. That's not I still believed that. I'm
still very recently. Wait, what what is the what is
the current thinking. I don't know that we'll have to
have a nuclear war to find out. I'm their dogs. Uh.
(38:36):
But anyways, so the CIA's conclusion was this person this
was a quote fantasy. Um, but It's just interesting that
our entire knowledge that Hitler is dead. I guess he
would be dead by now of old age. But our
whole entire basis for the belief that he died in
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that bunker was just one nal hygienis assistant. Um so, yeah,
but that was Ava Brown in there right, obviously, Okay,
probably we all know her. We all know her. That
is like the grimmest work fucking possible, now, separating a
burnt corpse's job on, Hey, could you grab that jaw? Yeah,
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she won't get drunk. I know people that don't like
bones in their chicken. It's just too grimm a reminder. Yeah, man,
So what do you think, Jackie think? Uh? Is Hitler ted?
Is this? Uh you're willing to jump on board this
conspiracy theory? No? No, no, I think I think it's
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just I believe that he, like they say, narcissists are
extremely susceptible to suicide, especially when their whole like narcissistic
kind of world collapses. It seems like him killing himself
is the logical conclusion into his story. Um So, I
don't know. I think one one way I like to
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kind of approach conspiracy theories too, is like, just imagine
pulling this off. Like if you I just say, if
you're pulling this off, you would just be like, this
guy's a dentist. If nothing else, you would say, this
guy's a dentist, right right, exactly. It's a it's a
fun one. Yeah. I just like the idea of Hitler
straight up sneaking out of Berlin with his mustache still
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intact and be like, hey, we gotta get out of here.
But I mean, look, on the other hand, if that
is really Hitler, what a bold move. I can't imagine
having that kind of confidence of like, well the mustache stays, yeah,
whatever the funk else it's my thing, you guys, Yeah,
all right, this was fun. Andrew, where can people follow you? Uh?
(40:50):
Andrew T. That's the last time I spelled T. I
was this racist. Listen to my very special cast. These
motherfucker They were really great. They were really great their
episode and it's nice to have a little podcast synergy.
Oh yeah, this is like, this is just heartwork. It's
just starting to percoctly, baby, he's just starting to percoct miles.
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Where can people find you? Percolating? You can find me
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