November 22, 2023 • 36 mins
Jack and Producer Jabari were joined by True Hoop podcaster Jarod Hector on today’s episode. The trio discussed some of the top rookies in terms of expectations vs performance and plenty more in this episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well well, well, that's right. It's me saying the well
well well part. The Celtics, Sixers, Wolves still rolling. I'm
still excited about the Wolves and the Sixers of that
all because those are unexpected teams. But today we're gonna
switch it up a little bit. We're gonna talk about
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something that we're very thankful for, and that's the rookie class.
I don't know about you guys. When I first checked
NBA stuff in the morning, the first thing I check
on is the rookies. It's no longer like my teams.
I'm checking on my rookies, my rooks. But anyways, we're
gonna discuss the rookies. We're gonna talk some New York
Metro hoops and more with True Hoop Podcasts and actor
(00:44):
Gerard Hector. On today's episode, I'm Jack O'Brien.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And I'm producing in for Myles, and.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
This is Miles and Jack and sometimes Jabari Got Mad Boosties,
Davis her Going.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Be Driving, Spinning, Katie.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Curry a three pointer bag stuff Curry from Downtel the.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Gain, be honest, Hi tell do, Let's tell hello, showtime,
let you go?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yes, Well, well, well, welcome, welcome, Jabari welcome back. I
was sick last week. Miles is out on a couple
a couple of days vacation today. But thank you Jabari
as always for being here, and thank you Gerard Hector
for being on the show.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Welcome man, Thank you appreciating glad to be here. Who
said Miles can go on vacation though? Who approved that? PTO?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Hey look he did. Can't come across my desk, That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, he just you know, he wants to mess with
your head. He sends a broken zoom link. He wants
to see that you want to be on the show
enough to get through his tricks, his mind games. But
what what is John out to you? What is the
first thing you guys are checking for when you check
NBA stuff in the morning. Uh?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
For me, like you like, I like looking at see
what the rookies have done. And you know, look, while
we're giving these rookies a lot of love and we should,
you know, look at the NBA is to young men's league,
as uh one Kevin Durant recently said. But I do
like to check it on the old heads and see
how they're doing. And you know, the old heads still
hanging on. Lebron's still out here pumping in some good
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some good numbers, KDS deph Curry, you know, the old
heads still saying not quite yet, youngsters, We're still here.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'll be honest with you. I'm checking for all of it.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
But because I'm silly and ridiculous, I look at NBA
Twitter first and see what jokes, you know, folks got off,
and then uh, I'll see what those were related.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
To after jokes. Yeah, that's good. Check for jokes.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I like jokes. Jokes are good. Cool. Other thing I'm
checking those the odds on those in season tournament, on
the n season tournament. Uh, I don't know. I just
had this question because I saw a quote from a pacer.
I forget which pacer was, but they were like, we're
fully bought in on the end season tournament. Yeah. Haliburton's like,
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we're in. We are motivated by this, And I feel
like that's something you have to take into account because
when you look at the odds, it's all just basically
looks the same as the championship odds, right, Like it's
the Celtics and the Bucks and the Nuggets and the Lakers,
and I feel like it's going to be somebody who
really wants it and might not necessarily be like one
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of those teams that's not necessarily turning it on at
this point in the season. But I could see a
team like the Pacers making some noise. What do you
guys think?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah, it's like a situation where, you know, yes, of
course the Pacers are the aspirations are to you know,
make the postseason. But if you're a team like that
that there are no certainly no guarantees, you might as
well take advantage of a potential the first in season,
you know, championship.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Look, I am a big fan of this tournament.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Look at true, you guys know, we spend a lot
of our time criticizing the NBA. You know, we love
the sport, we want it to be great, so we're
gonna call attention to things that we don't like and
that are bad. But when they do something good, I
have to give them props. And the nd season Tournament
is a good idea. Now, someone like myself who is
a European football fan, the season tournament is not anything
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new or weird to me. It's perfectly normal and it
makes perfect sense. It's not complicated, not difficult to understand.
I like the fact that for football for me, European football,
soccer for those of us in the States. I like
that my team has multiple chances to win trophies every year.
That is fantastic versus American sports, where's like, you know,
win a championship, you're a loser.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Do you see this in foot the Ball as I
pronounced it, Like, Well, people who haven't won a title, like,
for instance, the Lakers being high up there in terms
of the odds doesn't make a ton of sense to
me because they are a team that has and maybe
like this is this doesn't matter because you know, they
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don't pay attention to narratives as much as I do.
But like they're a team that won a title recently,
and then we're like, had that title discounted for not
being like a real title, you know, like whatever Mickey
Mouse title of it all, the bubble title of it all.
So like I feel like Lebron's maybe not gonna go
his hardest for the n Season tournament as opposed to
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somebody like Haliburton. But maybe that doesn't matter because Lebron
James is good at basketball.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Here's how it works though, right, and I hear what
you're saying, and look, you know, the best the gift
and the curse for Adam Silver would be for the
Lakers to be in the championship game of the of
the inaugural n Season tournament, right because you know.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
We're gonna get a bunch of eyeballs.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So that works.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
So that's good.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
But the curse is, oh if Lebron says something like
who cares? You know, we're worried about Larry o b
come June or whatever. However, what I love about you
is in group plays. You know, Okay, you got to
win your group whatever. It's single elimination from here on
out right because of a bad night or Lebron's hurt
and they're out, well, so what, no, too bad you
don't win. And the Pacers in particular, because of how
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they play with that up tempo style that's not easy
to scout for. You catch them on a Tuesday night
of the of a of a knockout game and you're
not ready, they'll run you out the gym.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Oh, well you're out.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, And we we kind of alluded to it last
week at the very least. Yeah, it's it's one of
those where I really don't see the harm in it.
You know, you had people that are saying, like, well,
why you know, and a lot of that is probably
based in like not fully understanding you know, what it is.
You know, But we heard the same complaints in the
same you know, you know, hesitance when they introduced the plan,
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and it has been absolutely fantastic, each of them, Like
each year that they've had it, it seemed, at least
on my end, it seems like it's gotten better.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So for me, you know, we.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Complain, complaining when the plan rolls around.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
There you go exactly, We as human beings, our our
natural inclination is to reject the unfamiliar, Right, that's just
what we do as humans.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Everyone's got opinions about it.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Oh, this thing sucks. I'm like, how do you know
it sucks? It hasn't even happened yet and already it sucks.
Like right, it's like making a comment about a restaurant
you've never been to. How would you know if you
haven't been here, if you've been there and eating the food,
but you.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Already got an opinion about it.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Let it play out, and remember this is year one
it's gonna look very different as it iterates and they
tweak and it goes over time.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So guys, I listen, I love it. I think it's great.
It's working, and really what.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
It is is we complain, all of us complain about
November basketball, even December basketball not really meaning a lot
all of a sudden, with some extra steaks, it does
mean something.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So like I'm on the same page.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, the single elimination of it all, I think we've
seen with the play in people can act like they're
not gonna enjoy it, but the second there's a single
elimination game with steaks, everybody is pretty That has.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Been proven over time, single elimination to be the number
one ratings thing in sports because literally, right, you just.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Don't know you've a bad getting the best team can
get knocked out. That's what's so great.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, well, I'm expecting to see the Oklahoma City thunder
Get getting some love in the odds for the n
season tournament fairly soon, which brings us to rookies. We're
gonna start with Wemby, but we're gonna get to check
pretty pretty soon. But by the time this is released,
most teams will have played around fifteen to sixteen games,
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so almost twenty percent of the regular season and a
fifth if my math is correct. Yes, that works. And
so I don't know, we have we have a sample size.
It's not a big sample size, but we've gotten a
chance to look at these young fellows and their teams
and Wemby, I don't know. I think this guy might
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be good at basketball. I think he's got a future
in the league.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you there. I think I think
Weby's gonna be pretty good. Look, you know, san Antonio
clearly is not interested in winning games right now, and
that is a challenge for some one like Wemby who's
trying to get his feet wet learn the league right,
because the idea is when this team is ready to
win right ultimately in a couple of years, who are
the people that are on the team right now that
are gonna be with him in those couple of years.
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Maybe Devin Bissel because of the contract he signed. Maybe
Keldon Johnson. That's about it, right, Like no, and that's
and those guys are maybe no one's even a guarantee.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
We'll see about Jeremy Shohan, We'll see it about everybody
else who's gonna make it or not. So it's gonna
be kind of you know, he's got to kind of
go through that that learning experience. But listen, he's so skilled,
he's so tall. He does things on a nightly basis
that you're like, hot, love, did you do that right?
And it's it's fantastic. I love seeing it. I am
a basketball hightist. I love all tall, skilled people. I
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would love nothing, but it's a game full of seven
footers because that's just I love seeing that, So you
know it works for me.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah. So he's leading all rookies in scoring eighteen point
six points per game, second only to US R. Thompson
in rebounding at nine point one rebounds per game, and
then leads all rookies and blocks with two point six
per game, which is a lot of blocks. You know,
Anthony Davis is up in the threes, which is incredible,
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but his splits aren't great, but you know they're it's
just been it's been really inconsistent. He's he's taking five
five point six attempts for three, which seems like maybe
too many, but his shot looks so good that it
doesn't it doesn't really bother me when I'm watching the games,
so to.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
The point that you know, like you were just making
dry not you not taking anything away from his current teammates.
I'm always careful when I introduced these topics, But what
types of players do you think they need to.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Eventually surround Winby with?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Like, who's going to get Winby to be, you know,
as much of Winby as he can be?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Well, first, a.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Lead ballhandler, not point I mean, you know, point guard whatever,
that's really not relevant. A lead ballhandler who can make
a proper tree pass would be helpful. Right to start,
mom that is that is a lost art apparently to
give basketball, which is range.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I've turned into my middle school basketball coach where suddenly
all I care about is entry passes. I'm like, what
got it? Work on your entry passes?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
While you're throwing the ball down by his ankles, I
don't get it, right, Like, he's seven foot four, put
it up high where you can get it. You need
a a center who who can bat, who can bang
and grab rebounds on the interior.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
He's big, but who can also step out in space. Right,
So it's that Miles.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Turner esque type a player right who's got a body
who can I can grab rebounds on the interior, but
I can also space out as well to five right,
because I think ultimately what san Antonio wants to do
is play five out, So I think that would work
out well. And then you know what every team needs, right,
the uber predator apex predator wing wing player.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Right who can who can score? And like, right, everybody
needs that.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
But those kinds of players, right, who who again understand
the concept of how to how to make passes, how
to use his height as an advantage.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, and ASR. Thompson type would be nice, like somebody
on the wind who's just gobbling.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
The only thing about Ausar that I worry about and
his brother is I don't know if they can shoot.
And the thing about shooting is everybody's like, oh, you
can just learn. I'm like, well, Giannis has been learning
for years and he still can, right, so you know
it can they We'll see.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
A little bit more difficult when you're six six as
opposed to six to eleven.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, yeah, in my experience, Yeah, Chet has been coming
on real strong lately. He's putting up seventeen points seven
and a half for almost eight boards two point one
blocks on fifty six forty six, ninety splits.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I mean, put Jet in the Hall of Fame right now,
right over, wrap it up.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But I don't know. And so he had his big
coming out game, like we talked about Wemby's big game
against the Spurs where or against the Suns where he
just like wouldn't, wouldn't let his team lose and came
came through in the clutch. U Chad had that with
thirty six against Golden State game tying turnaround three, uh,
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kind of falling out of bounds, just incredible like he did.
He feels like the more they get him involved in
the offense, the better they get. And okay See is
ten and four with a six and one road record,
which is pretty incredible. So I don't know if anybody
had called this in the offseason and said, okay See
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was actually secretly a contender, that would have been unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Oh wait, I did, that's right, that's me, yeah, right,
actually on the back, Oh what were the odds?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
What were the would you bet on that?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I think it was thirty three to one. It wasn't
long enough, it should have been longer, but it's thirty
three to one for them to win the title. Yeah,
to win the title?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Why not? Yeah, it should have been longer. You're right,
it should have been longer than thirty three.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
But still, you know, yeah, we were in a casino and.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Why not.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Look the big thing with Jet and you know, let's
first of all, he's phenomenal. Let's two things that he
has as an advantage. Well, it is his first year playing,
it is his second year in the league. Right, being
around the team for an entire year and understanding the
NBA game is huge. Also, this is something that my
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podcast partner, coach Thorpe has mentioned. He had a meal
with Mark Degnol had goaes Loccy thunder every single day
last season, and you know, the average fan pobably hears
that and they're like cookares whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I'm like, no, like that stuff matters.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
People like the ninety nine percent of the players in
the NBA, their success is going to be determined based
on where they get drafted and what the environment is
like to incubate them. And as alpha and whatever is
these guys are, they need what David calls well jelly, right,
they need someone to be like, no, man, we believe
in you. Here's what we want you to do. We
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think you can do this, right, and he had a
ton of that last year. Now, the piece on the court,
that is why Chet is also a more impactful player
than Victor if you look at.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
His estimated plus minus.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I mean, Chet's top ten in the league right now
in EPM, right, and that helps when you play with
a top five player in Shake Gilds Alexander and an
MVP candidate right that and yes, Shake Gilsduxander was NBA
All NBA First Team last year, which by definition means
top five and he was top five and MVP voting
someone who knows how to throw an entry bass someone right, Like,
there's so many things.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
That Shakee does so well.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
And the rest of that team with Jalen Williams and
Giddy and lou Shor, right, yeah, they're they're that team
works well. So he's got better police pieces around him,
and so it's it's it's much easier than to have impact,
and Chet's also very good.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
On top of that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I feel like everyone is going to say that they're,
you know, like they're the darlings or the surprise team,
but I feel like they're actually already there are they there.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
So it's interesting, right, Like I think that can be
like what Sacramento was last year and what Memphis was
two years ago in terms of the regular season. When
it comes to postseason, I mean they have they haven't
done it yet, right, but that's everybody right, No one's
done it until they do it, right, That's that's how
it works. I'm also still not one hundred percent sure
about the rest of that team. Josh Giddy's great as
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a passer, He's not shooting well right now, and his
plus minus stats are awful. Right now when he's on
the floor, they are losing possessions and losing the game.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
That's not good.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Uh, lou Geort's good, Jill and Williams, who starts, is
very good. The rest of that team, though, as good
as Isaiah Joe is shooting threes off the bench.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Everybody else is a minus player off the bench.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
And so you know that's concerning when you're talking about
what are they going to do in the postseason?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
But who the hell cares about the postseason?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Might get get right get there first and be a
dominant regulations. Win forty five games, right, win fifty games,
and you're like, oh, this seems fun, right, Let's get
themselves back to that level.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
When you know, once they lost all.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Their three superstars they drafted a decade ago, people were like,
when's it ever gonna happen for them?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, they seem to be coming back around now.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, they're good at this draft thing. It turns out.
Turns out, let's take a quick break and we'll come
back and talk about the rest of the rookies that
we're keeping an eye on. We'll be right back, and
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we're back and all right. So these the two we've
discussed so far, were the two that I was watching
from the start. They haven't disappointed. In fact, they've exceeded.
Like I was worried that Wemby they might just like
be kind of keeping him on ice a little bit
and like letting him pop in here and there. But
they're they're letting him play. I feel like they're handling
it well. His development, he's getting he's getting a lot
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of reps. He looks awesome. The people I wasn't necessarily
checking for at first and now I'm checking for is
number one on that list ASR. Thompson with the Pistons,
UH leading rookies in rebounding at six foot six, but
does basically everything eleven point six points per game, ten
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rebounds per game, three point four assists, one point seven
blocks per game, one point two steals per game. To
be top ten in the league in blocks at six
foot six is is wild.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He is a tremendous athlete. He's already a very good
defender for a rookie. You know, again, this Detroit's got
someone who again, if he learns to shoot, he becomes
what I talked about that you know what does Antonio
need when he becomes that apex predator wing player that
every that helps you win championships if he can learn
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to do that right, and that's huge.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Also, just he's top five offensive boards in the whole
in the whole league, which is wild. It also brought
to my attention that Mitchell Robinson is pulling down six
point one offense of boards a game.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
He's he's he's a menace. I mean, he is an
absolute menace. And with Steven Adams out with injury, Mitchell
Robinson is now the best offensive rebrown in the NBA.
I mean, he is just an absolute terror on the boards.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Moses Malone has the record for most offensive rebounds per
game in a season with seven point two, and Mitchell
Robinson is six point one right now, Like that's he's
he's unbelievable on the offensive glass.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I mean, you guys, remember, I mean you might be
too young to remember how how Mo used to do
his thing right.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
The best offense was throw it up on the board.
I'm gonna go get it, put it back up, and
we're gonna store.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Throw it up, grab it, throw it right over.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on this
limb and say it. I'm the one that's real, that's
truly an ASAR guy. I'm calling him Mini Matrix right now.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And I know how crazy that is.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I recognize it's not fair to a rookie to expect
that type of career, but that's the thing that when
I watch him, that's what I look at.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I mean he does seemed to be also moving at
a different speed than everybody else when he's out there,
so I could definitely see that, all right. Derek Lively
for the MAVs is a major contributor right away. I mean,
he's big, he's tough, any anything jumping out to you
about him.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
You know what helps playing with Luka Dancic.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, you know, it's it's just simular one with rookies, right,
who do they have on their team that they play with?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Oh, an all NBA caliber player? Wow, they play out
a lot.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
But yeah, it helps, like great players make you play better, right,
That's that's why there's so great.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
But no, he's a great roleman at the RAM.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And remember in that class, in his high school class,
I believe he was the best player in that class
when they were getting ranked in high school. And then
you know in Duke he really didn't like, you know,
score the way that people wanted to score. And I
don't know where that was, like a Duke thing or whatever.
But you know, this kid's got a lot of talent.
And you know, if again, if Dallas is the right
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place to incubate him, which I don't know, we'll see
he could really be something special.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
The college thing is so weird, like because we've talked
about how like Chet's game looked totally different, Like he
was obviously a contributor on a very good team in college,
but his game looked like I had no idea that
he was capable of any of the things that we're seeing.
It's just yeah and lively, is it all? It does
make you wonder, like why anybody would go playing college
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when you know it is such a different sport that
does such a great job of camouflaging your skills from
you know, making it hard to see how good you are.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
It is a different sport, especially at schools like Duke
in Kentucky when they're like stacked beyond belief. You know,
you know, certain guys are not going to stand out. Yeah,
even though they've got some serious game.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Mh.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Anyone else do you guys want to call out?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I like Black Coolabali from the Wizards. This guy can
defend already pretty well. I think he might be able
to like because of the work ethic and how he
wants to develop. He's really got a chance, I think,
to be a very good player in this league. But again, Washington,
you know, well, you know if.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
He ends up being if he ends up being really good,
they'll find a way to ship him to the Lakers,
and you know what, the world would be a better place.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I say that'll work out with the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Watching other teams is just shot window shopping for Lakers. Fans. Yeah,
he's he'd be a nice piece. Should grab him, That's
really what it is. Anyone else to bar you want
to call out?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, you know I've been Jordan Hawkins has been impressive.
You know, he's had some big scoring nights.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Uh, you know, it doesn't hurt that he's in a
good situation there with the Pels. They've you know, they've
got a ton of talent there, but in the event
that they run into, you know, hit the injury bug
or you get hit by the injury bug, you know,
it's good to see that they've got another guy that
can fill it up within their system. And you know, honestly,
we haven't really seen much out of him, but I
really can't wait to see what Scoop eventually looks like.
(22:59):
You know, he only yeah, you know, it seemed like
he was even banged up coming into the year, yet
that right physically, it would be great to you know,
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
He's one of the guys that I was looking forward
to most coming into the year.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I also got to shout out Hami Hakis Junior and
Kiante George, you know, for Miami and Utah respectively. You know,
they seem like Utah turned the keys over to Kiance
the last five games. And you know, listen, players need rookies.
They need playing time. It's like oxygen. Right, yeah, that's
how they get better. Now coaches are reticent to play
(23:31):
them because they're gonna make mistakes, but that's how they learn,
Like right, they have to make mistakes and that's how
they get better.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, all right, Speaking of the injury bug beel out
at least three more weeks due to continued back issues.
I don't know. Didn't Phoenix use to have like a
fabled health team that could like bring anyone back from
the dead or you know, keep people from falling apart.
We need they need those guys back.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
And long a long time ago they had that.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I want to see these three guys play together.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
And now, listen, I can't say it too much, but
I'll just say this that medical and healthcare training staff
has a lot to be desired, and I'll leave it
at that.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know, when you when you.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Say, okay, Bradley's going to be cleared to play. Everything's good,
and then we're ready to roll, and all of a sudden,
you put out and you get the press release from
the pr group when they say we're going to take
the next three weeks to actually focus on what's wrong
with Bradley Biale, Like, so what were you doing before then?
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
What? Like, so you weren't focused on that before? And look,
I want to be fair to them.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Backs are tricky and they're very difficult and there's no
right pun intended. There's no exact science. Right, it's a
very tricky thing. But you behoove you matt Ishbia. You
spent however many billion dollars spent by this team and
you now have in total contracts half a billion dollars
give or take sunk into Booker, Durant and Beale players
(24:55):
who have injury histories. I would think you would want
to make sure that your health, performance and training staff
are doing everything they can and they are top of
the line and really like, no, no, no, no, we got
to measure these guys are good to go, you know,
and we don't know so far not great, but yeah,
you know Bill and Durant, sorry, Booker and Durant playing well.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Latest word, by the way is that you know he
might be out till Christmas and if that's possible, very yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Oh my God. I mean, yeah, they're hanging in. They're
seven and six as of this recording, so hopefully, hopefully
they can keep treading water. But you know, with some
of the other teams starting as fast as they are,
it feels like there's a little bit more pressure than
maybe people were expecting coming in for for everybody to
be able to, you know, maintain a pretty decent record,
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so you're within striking distance.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Because of course, the flip side of that is now
you put a lot of strain on a thirty five
year old Kevin Durant who's putting up MVP caliber numbers
yet again the season, playing double overtime every I'm like
a little was like watching the game. I'm like, Frank,
you do realize you've ad in season tournament game on
Tuesday and a back to back the second game on Wednesday,
(26:06):
a national TV game against the Golden State Warriors, and
you know the whole league's policy about participation.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
What are you gonna do.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
You're gonna play him in then season tournament and sit
him on the taking on the back to back and
don't ask him because he'll play a thousand minutes a game.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
It'd be good, right, which not a good idea, right,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, I mean there's that stat from the Dunk Central
NBA Central that was, like Lebron at thirty eight years old,
twenty six point four points, eight boards, six and a
half assists, sixty seven percent true shooting, kd thirty one
point four points, seven rebounds, five and a half assists,
(26:44):
sixty four percent true shooting, and then Steph you know,
thirty four rebounds for assists, sixty seven and a half
true shooting. The fact Lebron's true shooting percentage is the
thing though, I was like, wow, man.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
He's he's shooting it well to start the season. He
really is.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
He's thirty eight, and Kadie and Steph for thirty five.
So I don't know. The post ends with like this
is still their league, and we got some other candidates,
but they they're certainly up there.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
He kind of goes towards the point that made earlier
of like Gill, Yes, the rookies, Yes, the new guys
are fun to watch, but you know, we're still checking
for these old hits because they are still.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Checking the league.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, still know what they're doing. So Lebron put up
thirty seven eight six rebounds three steals in forty minutes
against Houston, and then Austin Reeves came through with the compliment,
but he said that he's the best to do it.
Maybe with the exception of Tom Brady, I would just
be like, hey, man, as your editor, as you, I
(27:49):
would just cut that last like maybe with the exception
out because fir'st all Lebron, I don't know, Lebron doesn't
want to hear your thoughts on Tom Brady. And also
tom Brady wasn't having to take a lot of contact
out there in his old age, like Lebron's having to
go down the middle, Like you can also.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Do this with NFL quarterbacks, And I'm sorry, I'm biased,
but NFL quarterbacks cannot be on top athlete list to me,
I'm sorry. You play half the game and sit the
other half like that. Sorry, Like everybody else in these
on these lists got to play both ways.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You know, like yeah, sorry, yeah, But anyways, that would
be my note tossed and maybe just say he's the
best to ever do it, because it is the greatest
athletic feat I've ever seen from somebody this age, like
this much older than anyone I've ever seen perform at
this level with you know, and like by perform, it's
(28:42):
not like he's got he's got a cool like trick
that he figured out to like get the ball out
quickly and like nobody gets near him. It's he's playing
at an incredibly high level against the best athletes in
the world and still doing it like almost as well
as he's ever done.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
It makes you wonder, huh.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
All right, should we take one more break and we'll
come back and do the rapid fire round of questioning,
the fastest segment in all of sports podcasts. We'll be
right back, and we're back, and it is time for
(29:25):
the rapid fire round of questioning. This is where we
take questions, we fire them at you, and you just
gotta pay. It's just right back, no thought, no thought. No,
you're not allowed to. And if we try to slow
it down by asking dumb questions or follow up questions,
and we will, you have to somehow keep it moving
(29:46):
even though we will not allow you to do that. Jabbari,
do you want to kick us off?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I don't know what you know?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
What?
Speaker 6 (29:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
No, no, you go ahead and go first.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
It's you, all right, all right?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Does a preference.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Uh, you guys, flip the coin, doesn't matter. Whoever goes goes, right, Brian,
start the clock.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Sorry, what is the most underrated NBA city to visit?
And what's your must have meal in that town?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Oh? My god? Uh Salt Lake City and.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Steak frets Okay, steak freas Yeah in salt Lake. Mmm,
that's their French cuisine. Not not what I would have
expected from the people of Salt Lake.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
That is definitely the first time we've gotten that answer.
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, I gotta throw it out there.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
What is it about Salt Lake?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
So you know, it's because it's Utah's that That's that's
the problem. It's Utah. You're like right, like read between
the lines, people.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But there are there are fun places to go and
then if you want to take a little bit of
a longer trip, go to Park City, which is a
little bit for them salt Lake.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
You get some awesome, some good stuff there too. Home
with the Sun Dance Film.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Festival and Gira. We do need you to keep it
moving here for you. Yeah, you did fall for it,
all right.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
You asked me questions. You're like, I gotta I gotta
tell you all right.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So let's keep it going.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Gud who is the most underappreciated of the truly all
time greats. Give us a guy that deserves to be mentioned,
but it's often left out of the all time debates,
if you will, Kevin Durrant, Oh, we're talking top five
all time.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I mean you didn't say top five. You just said
all the time. But now now, oh it's Tim Duncan.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Okay, I'm okay, it's fair. I'm not even gonna argue.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Now I've heard of him, so uh but yeah, I
guess next, you can take two players from all of
history to create your Matt Boosti's edition NBA Jam Team.
Which two players you've taken.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Chris Paul and Chris Paul?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Oh, Chris All and Kareem I've told Jabbar I.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Went on to school. I went to school. Move on anyway, next.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
All Chris Paul's game does feel like it would have
like out there in the seventies, and you'd be like, yeah,
that makes sense, or in the eighties or in the
nineties or.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I mean, I don't know that I want to expect
all right, you know, the gimmick is old.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
But if you could have any player's skill set for
a day. Who's in which skill set would it be?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Oh my god, Kevin Durant shooting?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, but this is your body, not a seven foot body.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Oh well, you didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
That's why I said.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
That's why I specified with a skill set and which
would it be.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Let's see Chris Paul's decision making.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
All right, there you go, and that would apply to
the rest of your life too, like buying insurance for instance.
All right, you can watch a movie with one of
these players. You gotta pick one and then I'll tell
you what movie you're watching based on their past tweets.
You can watch a movie with Reggie Jackson, Jalen Brunson,
(33:12):
Robert Covington, Danny Green, or Justice Winslow.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Damn I'm gonna go Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Jalen Brunson. You are watching episode three of Star Wars
based on his tweet, what is the best Star Wars
movie ever? Any answer that is not Episode three is wrong.
Anakin is my favorite. Least favorite is Darth Maul, only
(33:38):
because he shouldn't have died after the first few movie.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
You're showing your age here. The best Star Wars movie
ever is Empire strikes back.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I'm not showing my age. Jalen Brunson is showing his age.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Now only are you watching it? You're watching it with
a guy that thinks episode three is the best.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
That's right, all right?
Speaker 5 (33:58):
You can go back in time either Prime Magic or
Prime Kobe to make a run with this year's squad.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Which one are you choosing to take that ride?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I'm gonna make you all mad Prime Magic all day,
every day.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
That's not gonna make I canna make me mad? Good
over here? Uh? And finally the ultimate question, Jack or
jabbari O.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Miles, Wow.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Did it to us?
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, up to work today?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Who do we have on this?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You know everyone's just like man. That guy's so cool
he doesn't even have to show up. Hector, is such
a pleasure having you on the show.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:49):
People can follow me on that site that used to
be called Twitter that's now x at J. S.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Hector. You can find me on Blue Sky if you're
on there, Uh Hector j R. O D H E
C T O R. And of course at true hoop
dot com.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
True Hoop Amazing Jabari Where can people find you well.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Of course, they can find the show at hashtag man
Boosey Is. They can find me at Jabori Davis NBA.
And you can also find Miles the real talent out
of the two of us, at Miles of Great.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I'm at Jack Underscore. Obrian shouts out to our listener
of the week Paul Garaventa, for tagging and pointing out
a bad business decision first Portland. Uh, check got yoked
on check.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You know he's taken some he's taken some business decisions. Uh.
And it was it was too Mani Kamara, Uh yee.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
If you're gonna if you're getting block shots, you're gonna
ge dunk done.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
That's right, that's gonna happen. All right, that's gonna do
it for us this week. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. We are
back next week with another episode and we'll talk to you
all then.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
I the Music US Music
Well well, well, that's right. It's me saying the well
well well part. The Celtics, Sixers, Wolves still rolling. I'm
still excited about the Wolves and the Sixers of that
all because those are unexpected teams. But today we're gonna
switch it up a little bit. We're gonna talk about
(00:20):
something that we're very thankful for, and that's the rookie class.
I don't know about you guys. When I first checked
NBA stuff in the morning, the first thing I check
on is the rookies. It's no longer like my teams.
I'm checking on my rookies, my rooks. But anyways, we're
gonna discuss the rookies. We're gonna talk some New York
Metro hoops and more with True Hoop Podcasts and actor
(00:44):
Gerard Hector. On today's episode, I'm Jack O'Brien.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And I'm producing in for Myles, and.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
This is Miles and Jack and sometimes Jabari Got Mad Boosties,
Davis her Going.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Be Driving, Spinning, Katie.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Curry a three pointer bag stuff Curry from Downtel the.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Gain, be honest, Hi tell do, Let's tell hello, showtime,
let you go?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yes, Well, well, well, welcome, welcome, Jabari welcome back. I
was sick last week. Miles is out on a couple
a couple of days vacation today. But thank you Jabari
as always for being here, and thank you Gerard Hector
for being on the show.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Welcome man, Thank you appreciating glad to be here. Who
said Miles can go on vacation though? Who approved that? PTO?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Hey look he did. Can't come across my desk, That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, he just you know, he wants to mess with
your head. He sends a broken zoom link. He wants
to see that you want to be on the show
enough to get through his tricks, his mind games. But
what what is John out to you? What is the
first thing you guys are checking for when you check
NBA stuff in the morning. Uh?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
For me, like you like, I like looking at see
what the rookies have done. And you know, look, while
we're giving these rookies a lot of love and we should,
you know, look at the NBA is to young men's league,
as uh one Kevin Durant recently said. But I do
like to check it on the old heads and see
how they're doing. And you know, the old heads still
hanging on. Lebron's still out here pumping in some good
(02:26):
some good numbers, KDS deph Curry, you know, the old
heads still saying not quite yet, youngsters, We're still here.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'll be honest with you. I'm checking for all of it.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
But because I'm silly and ridiculous, I look at NBA
Twitter first and see what jokes, you know, folks got off,
and then uh, I'll see what those were related.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
To after jokes. Yeah, that's good. Check for jokes.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I like jokes. Jokes are good. Cool. Other thing I'm
checking those the odds on those in season tournament, on
the n season tournament. Uh, I don't know. I just
had this question because I saw a quote from a pacer.
I forget which pacer was, but they were like, we're
fully bought in on the end season tournament. Yeah. Haliburton's like,
(03:09):
we're in. We are motivated by this, And I feel
like that's something you have to take into account because
when you look at the odds, it's all just basically
looks the same as the championship odds, right, Like it's
the Celtics and the Bucks and the Nuggets and the Lakers,
and I feel like it's going to be somebody who
really wants it and might not necessarily be like one
(03:31):
of those teams that's not necessarily turning it on at
this point in the season. But I could see a
team like the Pacers making some noise. What do you
guys think?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah, it's like a situation where, you know, yes, of
course the Pacers are the aspirations are to you know,
make the postseason. But if you're a team like that
that there are no certainly no guarantees, you might as
well take advantage of a potential the first in season,
you know, championship.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Look, I am a big fan of this tournament.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Look at true, you guys know, we spend a lot
of our time criticizing the NBA. You know, we love
the sport, we want it to be great, so we're
gonna call attention to things that we don't like and
that are bad. But when they do something good, I
have to give them props. And the nd season Tournament
is a good idea. Now, someone like myself who is
a European football fan, the season tournament is not anything
(04:26):
new or weird to me. It's perfectly normal and it
makes perfect sense. It's not complicated, not difficult to understand.
I like the fact that for football for me, European football,
soccer for those of us in the States. I like
that my team has multiple chances to win trophies every year.
That is fantastic versus American sports, where's like, you know,
win a championship, you're a loser.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Do you see this in foot the Ball as I
pronounced it, Like, Well, people who haven't won a title, like,
for instance, the Lakers being high up there in terms
of the odds doesn't make a ton of sense to
me because they are a team that has and maybe
like this is this doesn't matter because you know, they
(05:11):
don't pay attention to narratives as much as I do.
But like they're a team that won a title recently,
and then we're like, had that title discounted for not
being like a real title, you know, like whatever Mickey
Mouse title of it all, the bubble title of it all.
So like I feel like Lebron's maybe not gonna go
his hardest for the n Season tournament as opposed to
(05:33):
somebody like Haliburton. But maybe that doesn't matter because Lebron
James is good at basketball.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Here's how it works though, right, and I hear what
you're saying, and look, you know, the best the gift
and the curse for Adam Silver would be for the
Lakers to be in the championship game of the of
the inaugural n Season tournament, right because you know.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
We're gonna get a bunch of eyeballs.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So that works.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
So that's good.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
But the curse is, oh if Lebron says something like
who cares? You know, we're worried about Larry o b
come June or whatever. However, what I love about you
is in group plays. You know, Okay, you got to
win your group whatever. It's single elimination from here on
out right because of a bad night or Lebron's hurt
and they're out, well, so what, no, too bad you
don't win. And the Pacers in particular, because of how
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they play with that up tempo style that's not easy
to scout for. You catch them on a Tuesday night
of the of a of a knockout game and you're
not ready, they'll run you out the gym.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Oh, well you're out.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, And we we kind of alluded to it last
week at the very least. Yeah, it's it's one of
those where I really don't see the harm in it.
You know, you had people that are saying, like, well,
why you know, and a lot of that is probably
based in like not fully understanding you know, what it is.
You know, But we heard the same complaints in the
same you know, you know, hesitance when they introduced the plan,
(06:45):
and it has been absolutely fantastic, each of them, Like
each year that they've had it, it seemed, at least
on my end, it seems like it's gotten better.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So for me, you know, we.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Complain, complaining when the plan rolls around.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
There you go exactly, We as human beings, our our
natural inclination is to reject the unfamiliar, Right, that's just
what we do as humans.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Everyone's got opinions about it.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Oh, this thing sucks. I'm like, how do you know
it sucks? It hasn't even happened yet and already it sucks.
Like right, it's like making a comment about a restaurant
you've never been to. How would you know if you
haven't been here, if you've been there and eating the food,
but you.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Already got an opinion about it.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Let it play out, and remember this is year one
it's gonna look very different as it iterates and they
tweak and it goes over time.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So guys, I listen, I love it. I think it's great.
It's working, and really what.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
It is is we complain, all of us complain about
November basketball, even December basketball not really meaning a lot
all of a sudden, with some extra steaks, it does
mean something.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So like I'm on the same page.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, the single elimination of it all, I think we've
seen with the play in people can act like they're
not gonna enjoy it, but the second there's a single
elimination game with steaks, everybody is pretty That has.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Been proven over time, single elimination to be the number
one ratings thing in sports because literally, right, you just.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Don't know you've a bad getting the best team can
get knocked out. That's what's so great.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, well, I'm expecting to see the Oklahoma City thunder
Get getting some love in the odds for the n
season tournament fairly soon, which brings us to rookies. We're
gonna start with Wemby, but we're gonna get to check
pretty pretty soon. But by the time this is released,
most teams will have played around fifteen to sixteen games,
(08:23):
so almost twenty percent of the regular season and a
fifth if my math is correct. Yes, that works. And
so I don't know, we have we have a sample size.
It's not a big sample size, but we've gotten a
chance to look at these young fellows and their teams
and Wemby, I don't know. I think this guy might
(08:45):
be good at basketball. I think he's got a future
in the league.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you there. I think I think
Weby's gonna be pretty good. Look, you know, san Antonio
clearly is not interested in winning games right now, and
that is a challenge for some one like Wemby who's
trying to get his feet wet learn the league right,
because the idea is when this team is ready to
win right ultimately in a couple of years, who are
the people that are on the team right now that
are gonna be with him in those couple of years.
(09:11):
Maybe Devin Bissel because of the contract he signed. Maybe
Keldon Johnson. That's about it, right, Like no, and that's
and those guys are maybe no one's even a guarantee.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
We'll see about Jeremy Shohan, We'll see it about everybody
else who's gonna make it or not. So it's gonna
be kind of you know, he's got to kind of
go through that that learning experience. But listen, he's so skilled,
he's so tall. He does things on a nightly basis
that you're like, hot, love, did you do that right?
And it's it's fantastic. I love seeing it. I am
a basketball hightist. I love all tall, skilled people. I
(09:43):
would love nothing, but it's a game full of seven
footers because that's just I love seeing that, So you
know it works for me.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah. So he's leading all rookies in scoring eighteen point
six points per game, second only to US R. Thompson
in rebounding at nine point one rebounds per game, and
then leads all rookies and blocks with two point six
per game, which is a lot of blocks. You know,
Anthony Davis is up in the threes, which is incredible,
(10:12):
but his splits aren't great, but you know they're it's
just been it's been really inconsistent. He's he's taking five
five point six attempts for three, which seems like maybe
too many, but his shot looks so good that it
doesn't it doesn't really bother me when I'm watching the games,
so to.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
The point that you know, like you were just making
dry not you not taking anything away from his current teammates.
I'm always careful when I introduced these topics, But what
types of players do you think they need to.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Eventually surround Winby with?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Like, who's going to get Winby to be, you know,
as much of Winby as he can be?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Well, first, a.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Lead ballhandler, not point I mean, you know, point guard whatever,
that's really not relevant. A lead ballhandler who can make
a proper tree pass would be helpful. Right to start,
mom that is that is a lost art apparently to
give basketball, which is range.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I've turned into my middle school basketball coach where suddenly
all I care about is entry passes. I'm like, what
got it? Work on your entry passes?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
While you're throwing the ball down by his ankles, I
don't get it, right, Like, he's seven foot four, put
it up high where you can get it. You need
a a center who who can bat, who can bang
and grab rebounds on the interior.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
He's big, but who can also step out in space. Right,
So it's that Miles.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Turner esque type a player right who's got a body
who can I can grab rebounds on the interior, but
I can also space out as well to five right,
because I think ultimately what san Antonio wants to do
is play five out, So I think that would work
out well. And then you know what every team needs, right,
the uber predator apex predator wing wing player.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Right who can who can score? And like, right, everybody
needs that.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
But those kinds of players, right, who who again understand
the concept of how to how to make passes, how
to use his height as an advantage.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, and ASR. Thompson type would be nice, like somebody
on the wind who's just gobbling.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
The only thing about Ausar that I worry about and
his brother is I don't know if they can shoot.
And the thing about shooting is everybody's like, oh, you
can just learn. I'm like, well, Giannis has been learning
for years and he still can, right, so you know
it can they We'll see.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
A little bit more difficult when you're six six as
opposed to six to eleven.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, yeah, in my experience, Yeah, Chet has been coming
on real strong lately. He's putting up seventeen points seven
and a half for almost eight boards two point one
blocks on fifty six forty six, ninety splits.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I mean, put Jet in the Hall of Fame right now,
right over, wrap it up.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But I don't know. And so he had his big
coming out game, like we talked about Wemby's big game
against the Spurs where or against the Suns where he
just like wouldn't, wouldn't let his team lose and came
came through in the clutch. U Chad had that with
thirty six against Golden State game tying turnaround three, uh,
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kind of falling out of bounds, just incredible like he did.
He feels like the more they get him involved in
the offense, the better they get. And okay See is
ten and four with a six and one road record,
which is pretty incredible. So I don't know if anybody
had called this in the offseason and said, okay See
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was actually secretly a contender, that would have been unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Oh wait, I did, that's right, that's me, yeah, right,
actually on the back, Oh what were the odds?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
What were the would you bet on that?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I think it was thirty three to one. It wasn't
long enough, it should have been longer, but it's thirty
three to one for them to win the title. Yeah,
to win the title?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Why not? Yeah, it should have been longer. You're right,
it should have been longer than thirty three.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
But still, you know, yeah, we were in a casino and.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Why not.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Look the big thing with Jet and you know, let's
first of all, he's phenomenal. Let's two things that he
has as an advantage. Well, it is his first year playing,
it is his second year in the league. Right, being
around the team for an entire year and understanding the
NBA game is huge. Also, this is something that my
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podcast partner, coach Thorpe has mentioned. He had a meal
with Mark Degnol had goaes Loccy thunder every single day
last season, and you know, the average fan pobably hears
that and they're like cookares whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I'm like, no, like that stuff matters.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
People like the ninety nine percent of the players in
the NBA, their success is going to be determined based
on where they get drafted and what the environment is
like to incubate them. And as alpha and whatever is
these guys are, they need what David calls well jelly, right,
they need someone to be like, no, man, we believe
in you. Here's what we want you to do. We
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think you can do this, right, and he had a
ton of that last year. Now, the piece on the court,
that is why Chet is also a more impactful player
than Victor if you look at.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
His estimated plus minus.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I mean, Chet's top ten in the league right now
in EPM, right, and that helps when you play with
a top five player in Shake Gilds Alexander and an
MVP candidate right that and yes, Shake Gilsduxander was NBA
All NBA First Team last year, which by definition means
top five and he was top five and MVP voting
someone who knows how to throw an entry bass someone right, Like,
there's so many things.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
That Shakee does so well.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
And the rest of that team with Jalen Williams and
Giddy and lou Shor, right, yeah, they're they're that team
works well. So he's got better police pieces around him,
and so it's it's it's much easier than to have impact,
and Chet's also very good.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
On top of that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I feel like everyone is going to say that they're,
you know, like they're the darlings or the surprise team,
but I feel like they're actually already there are they there.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
So it's interesting, right, Like I think that can be
like what Sacramento was last year and what Memphis was
two years ago in terms of the regular season. When
it comes to postseason, I mean they have they haven't
done it yet, right, but that's everybody right, No one's
done it until they do it, right, That's that's how
it works. I'm also still not one hundred percent sure
about the rest of that team. Josh Giddy's great as
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a passer, He's not shooting well right now, and his
plus minus stats are awful. Right now when he's on
the floor, they are losing possessions and losing the game.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
That's not good.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Uh, lou Geort's good, Jill and Williams, who starts, is
very good. The rest of that team, though, as good
as Isaiah Joe is shooting threes off the bench.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Everybody else is a minus player off the bench.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
And so you know that's concerning when you're talking about
what are they going to do in the postseason?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
But who the hell cares about the postseason?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Might get get right get there first and be a
dominant regulations. Win forty five games, right, win fifty games,
and you're like, oh, this seems fun, right, Let's get
themselves back to that level.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
When you know, once they lost all.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Their three superstars they drafted a decade ago, people were like,
when's it ever gonna happen for them?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, they seem to be coming back around now.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, they're good at this draft thing. It turns out.
Turns out, let's take a quick break and we'll come
back and talk about the rest of the rookies that
we're keeping an eye on. We'll be right back, and
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we're back and all right. So these the two we've
discussed so far, were the two that I was watching
from the start. They haven't disappointed. In fact, they've exceeded.
Like I was worried that Wemby they might just like
be kind of keeping him on ice a little bit
and like letting him pop in here and there. But
they're they're letting him play. I feel like they're handling
it well. His development, he's getting he's getting a lot
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of reps. He looks awesome. The people I wasn't necessarily
checking for at first and now I'm checking for is
number one on that list ASR. Thompson with the Pistons,
UH leading rookies in rebounding at six foot six, but
does basically everything eleven point six points per game, ten
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rebounds per game, three point four assists, one point seven
blocks per game, one point two steals per game. To
be top ten in the league in blocks at six
foot six is is wild.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He is a tremendous athlete. He's already a very good
defender for a rookie. You know, again, this Detroit's got
someone who again, if he learns to shoot, he becomes
what I talked about that you know what does Antonio
need when he becomes that apex predator wing player that
every that helps you win championships if he can learn
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to do that right, and that's huge.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Also, just he's top five offensive boards in the whole
in the whole league, which is wild. It also brought
to my attention that Mitchell Robinson is pulling down six
point one offense of boards a game.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
He's he's he's a menace. I mean, he is an
absolute menace. And with Steven Adams out with injury, Mitchell
Robinson is now the best offensive rebrown in the NBA.
I mean, he is just an absolute terror on the boards.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Moses Malone has the record for most offensive rebounds per
game in a season with seven point two, and Mitchell
Robinson is six point one right now, Like that's he's
he's unbelievable on the offensive glass.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I mean, you guys, remember, I mean you might be
too young to remember how how Mo used to do
his thing right.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
The best offense was throw it up on the board.
I'm gonna go get it, put it back up, and
we're gonna store.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Throw it up, grab it, throw it right over.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on this
limb and say it. I'm the one that's real, that's
truly an ASAR guy. I'm calling him Mini Matrix right now.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And I know how crazy that is.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I recognize it's not fair to a rookie to expect
that type of career, but that's the thing that when
I watch him, that's what I look at.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I mean he does seemed to be also moving at
a different speed than everybody else when he's out there,
so I could definitely see that, all right. Derek Lively
for the MAVs is a major contributor right away. I mean,
he's big, he's tough, any anything jumping out to you
about him.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
You know what helps playing with Luka Dancic.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, you know, it's it's just simular one with rookies, right,
who do they have on their team that they play with?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Oh, an all NBA caliber player? Wow, they play out
a lot.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
But yeah, it helps, like great players make you play better, right,
That's that's why there's so great.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
But no, he's a great roleman at the RAM.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And remember in that class, in his high school class,
I believe he was the best player in that class
when they were getting ranked in high school. And then
you know in Duke he really didn't like, you know,
score the way that people wanted to score. And I
don't know where that was, like a Duke thing or whatever.
But you know, this kid's got a lot of talent.
And you know, if again, if Dallas is the right
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place to incubate him, which I don't know, we'll see
he could really be something special.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
The college thing is so weird, like because we've talked
about how like Chet's game looked totally different, Like he
was obviously a contributor on a very good team in college,
but his game looked like I had no idea that
he was capable of any of the things that we're seeing.
It's just yeah and lively, is it all? It does
make you wonder, like why anybody would go playing college
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when you know it is such a different sport that
does such a great job of camouflaging your skills from
you know, making it hard to see how good you are.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
It is a different sport, especially at schools like Duke
in Kentucky when they're like stacked beyond belief. You know,
you know, certain guys are not going to stand out. Yeah,
even though they've got some serious game.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Mh.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Anyone else do you guys want to call out?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I like Black Coolabali from the Wizards. This guy can
defend already pretty well. I think he might be able
to like because of the work ethic and how he
wants to develop. He's really got a chance, I think,
to be a very good player in this league. But again, Washington,
you know, well, you know if.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
He ends up being if he ends up being really good,
they'll find a way to ship him to the Lakers,
and you know what, the world would be a better place.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I say that'll work out with the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Watching other teams is just shot window shopping for Lakers. Fans. Yeah,
he's he'd be a nice piece. Should grab him, That's
really what it is. Anyone else to bar you want
to call out?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, you know I've been Jordan Hawkins has been impressive.
You know, he's had some big scoring nights.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Uh, you know, it doesn't hurt that he's in a
good situation there with the Pels. They've you know, they've
got a ton of talent there, but in the event
that they run into, you know, hit the injury bug
or you get hit by the injury bug, you know,
it's good to see that they've got another guy that
can fill it up within their system. And you know, honestly,
we haven't really seen much out of him, but I
really can't wait to see what Scoop eventually looks like.
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You know, he only yeah, you know, it seemed like
he was even banged up coming into the year, yet
that right physically, it would be great to you know,
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
He's one of the guys that I was looking forward
to most coming into the year.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I also got to shout out Hami Hakis Junior and
Kiante George, you know, for Miami and Utah respectively. You know,
they seem like Utah turned the keys over to Kiance
the last five games. And you know, listen, players need rookies.
They need playing time. It's like oxygen. Right, yeah, that's
how they get better. Now coaches are reticent to play
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them because they're gonna make mistakes, but that's how they learn,
Like right, they have to make mistakes and that's how
they get better.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, all right, Speaking of the injury bug beel out
at least three more weeks due to continued back issues.
I don't know. Didn't Phoenix use to have like a
fabled health team that could like bring anyone back from
the dead or you know, keep people from falling apart.
We need they need those guys back.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
And long a long time ago they had that.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I want to see these three guys play together.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
And now, listen, I can't say it too much, but
I'll just say this that medical and healthcare training staff
has a lot to be desired, and I'll leave it
at that.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know, when you when you.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Say, okay, Bradley's going to be cleared to play. Everything's good,
and then we're ready to roll, and all of a sudden,
you put out and you get the press release from
the pr group when they say we're going to take
the next three weeks to actually focus on what's wrong
with Bradley Biale, Like, so what were you doing before then?
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
What? Like, so you weren't focused on that before? And look,
I want to be fair to them.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Backs are tricky and they're very difficult and there's no
right pun intended. There's no exact science. Right, it's a
very tricky thing. But you behoove you matt Ishbia. You
spent however many billion dollars spent by this team and
you now have in total contracts half a billion dollars
give or take sunk into Booker, Durant and Beale players
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who have injury histories. I would think you would want
to make sure that your health, performance and training staff
are doing everything they can and they are top of
the line and really like, no, no, no, no, we got
to measure these guys are good to go, you know,
and we don't know so far not great, but yeah,
you know Bill and Durant, sorry, Booker and Durant playing well.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Latest word, by the way is that you know he
might be out till Christmas and if that's possible, very yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Oh my God. I mean, yeah, they're hanging in. They're
seven and six as of this recording, so hopefully, hopefully
they can keep treading water. But you know, with some
of the other teams starting as fast as they are,
it feels like there's a little bit more pressure than
maybe people were expecting coming in for for everybody to
be able to, you know, maintain a pretty decent record,
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so you're within striking distance.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Because of course, the flip side of that is now
you put a lot of strain on a thirty five
year old Kevin Durant who's putting up MVP caliber numbers
yet again the season, playing double overtime every I'm like
a little was like watching the game. I'm like, Frank,
you do realize you've ad in season tournament game on
Tuesday and a back to back the second game on Wednesday,
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a national TV game against the Golden State Warriors, and
you know the whole league's policy about participation.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
What are you gonna do.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
You're gonna play him in then season tournament and sit
him on the taking on the back to back and
don't ask him because he'll play a thousand minutes a game.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
It'd be good, right, which not a good idea, right,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, I mean there's that stat from the Dunk Central
NBA Central that was, like Lebron at thirty eight years old,
twenty six point four points, eight boards, six and a
half assists, sixty seven percent true shooting, kd thirty one
point four points, seven rebounds, five and a half assists,
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sixty four percent true shooting, and then Steph you know,
thirty four rebounds for assists, sixty seven and a half
true shooting. The fact Lebron's true shooting percentage is the
thing though, I was like, wow, man.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
He's he's shooting it well to start the season. He
really is.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
He's thirty eight, and Kadie and Steph for thirty five.
So I don't know. The post ends with like this
is still their league, and we got some other candidates,
but they they're certainly up there.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
He kind of goes towards the point that made earlier
of like Gill, Yes, the rookies, Yes, the new guys
are fun to watch, but you know, we're still checking
for these old hits because they are still.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Checking the league.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, still know what they're doing. So Lebron put up
thirty seven eight six rebounds three steals in forty minutes
against Houston, and then Austin Reeves came through with the compliment,
but he said that he's the best to do it.
Maybe with the exception of Tom Brady, I would just
be like, hey, man, as your editor, as you, I
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would just cut that last like maybe with the exception
out because fir'st all Lebron, I don't know, Lebron doesn't
want to hear your thoughts on Tom Brady. And also
tom Brady wasn't having to take a lot of contact
out there in his old age, like Lebron's having to
go down the middle, Like you can also.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Do this with NFL quarterbacks, And I'm sorry, I'm biased,
but NFL quarterbacks cannot be on top athlete list to me,
I'm sorry. You play half the game and sit the
other half like that. Sorry, Like everybody else in these
on these lists got to play both ways.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You know, like yeah, sorry, yeah, But anyways, that would
be my note tossed and maybe just say he's the
best to ever do it, because it is the greatest
athletic feat I've ever seen from somebody this age, like
this much older than anyone I've ever seen perform at
this level with you know, and like by perform, it's
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not like he's got he's got a cool like trick
that he figured out to like get the ball out
quickly and like nobody gets near him. It's he's playing
at an incredibly high level against the best athletes in
the world and still doing it like almost as well
as he's ever done.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
It makes you wonder, huh.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
All right, should we take one more break and we'll
come back and do the rapid fire round of questioning,
the fastest segment in all of sports podcasts. We'll be
right back, and we're back, and it is time for
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the rapid fire round of questioning. This is where we
take questions, we fire them at you, and you just
gotta pay. It's just right back, no thought, no thought. No,
you're not allowed to. And if we try to slow
it down by asking dumb questions or follow up questions,
and we will, you have to somehow keep it moving
(29:46):
even though we will not allow you to do that. Jabbari,
do you want to kick us off?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I don't know what you know?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
What?
Speaker 6 (29:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
No, no, you go ahead and go first.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
It's you, all right, all right?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Does a preference.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Uh, you guys, flip the coin, doesn't matter. Whoever goes goes, right, Brian,
start the clock.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Sorry, what is the most underrated NBA city to visit?
And what's your must have meal in that town?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Oh? My god? Uh Salt Lake City and.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Steak frets Okay, steak freas Yeah in salt Lake. Mmm,
that's their French cuisine. Not not what I would have
expected from the people of Salt Lake.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
That is definitely the first time we've gotten that answer.
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, I gotta throw it out there.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
What is it about Salt Lake?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
So you know, it's because it's Utah's that That's that's
the problem. It's Utah. You're like right, like read between
the lines, people.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But there are there are fun places to go and
then if you want to take a little bit of
a longer trip, go to Park City, which is a
little bit for them salt Lake.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
You get some awesome, some good stuff there too. Home
with the Sun Dance Film.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Festival and Gira. We do need you to keep it
moving here for you. Yeah, you did fall for it,
all right.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
You asked me questions. You're like, I gotta I gotta
tell you all right.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So let's keep it going.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Gud who is the most underappreciated of the truly all
time greats. Give us a guy that deserves to be mentioned,
but it's often left out of the all time debates,
if you will, Kevin Durrant, Oh, we're talking top five
all time.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I mean you didn't say top five. You just said
all the time. But now now, oh it's Tim Duncan.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Okay, I'm okay, it's fair. I'm not even gonna argue.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Now I've heard of him, so uh but yeah, I
guess next, you can take two players from all of
history to create your Matt Boosti's edition NBA Jam Team.
Which two players you've taken.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Chris Paul and Chris Paul?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Oh, Chris All and Kareem I've told Jabbar I.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Went on to school. I went to school. Move on anyway, next.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
All Chris Paul's game does feel like it would have
like out there in the seventies, and you'd be like, yeah,
that makes sense, or in the eighties or in the
nineties or.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I mean, I don't know that I want to expect
all right, you know, the gimmick is old.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
But if you could have any player's skill set for
a day. Who's in which skill set would it be?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Oh my god, Kevin Durant shooting?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, but this is your body, not a seven foot body.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Oh well, you didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
That's why I said.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
That's why I specified with a skill set and which
would it be.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Let's see Chris Paul's decision making.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
All right, there you go, and that would apply to
the rest of your life too, like buying insurance for instance.
All right, you can watch a movie with one of
these players. You gotta pick one and then I'll tell
you what movie you're watching based on their past tweets.
You can watch a movie with Reggie Jackson, Jalen Brunson,
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Robert Covington, Danny Green, or Justice Winslow.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Damn I'm gonna go Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Jalen Brunson. You are watching episode three of Star Wars
based on his tweet, what is the best Star Wars
movie ever? Any answer that is not Episode three is wrong.
Anakin is my favorite. Least favorite is Darth Maul, only
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because he shouldn't have died after the first few movie.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
You're showing your age here. The best Star Wars movie
ever is Empire strikes back.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I'm not showing my age. Jalen Brunson is showing his age.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Now only are you watching it? You're watching it with
a guy that thinks episode three is the best.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
That's right, all right?
Speaker 5 (33:58):
You can go back in time either Prime Magic or
Prime Kobe to make a run with this year's squad.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Which one are you choosing to take that ride?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I'm gonna make you all mad Prime Magic all day,
every day.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
That's not gonna make I canna make me mad? Good
over here? Uh? And finally the ultimate question, Jack or
jabbari O.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Miles, Wow.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Did it to us?
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, up to work today?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Who do we have on this?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You know everyone's just like man. That guy's so cool
he doesn't even have to show up. Hector, is such
a pleasure having you on the show.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:49):
People can follow me on that site that used to
be called Twitter that's now x at J. S.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Hector. You can find me on Blue Sky if you're
on there, Uh Hector j R. O D H E
C T O R. And of course at true hoop
dot com.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
True Hoop Amazing Jabari Where can people find you well.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Of course, they can find the show at hashtag man
Boosey Is. They can find me at Jabori Davis NBA.
And you can also find Miles the real talent out
of the two of us, at Miles of Great.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I'm at Jack Underscore. Obrian shouts out to our listener
of the week Paul Garaventa, for tagging and pointing out
a bad business decision first Portland. Uh, check got yoked
on check.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You know he's taken some he's taken some business decisions. Uh.
And it was it was too Mani Kamara, Uh yee.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
If you're gonna if you're getting block shots, you're gonna
ge dunk done.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
That's right, that's gonna happen. All right, that's gonna do
it for us this week. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. We are
back next week with another episode and we'll talk to you
all then.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
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