April 8, 2019 • 58 mins
In episode 365, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Zahra Noorbakhsh to discuss the 25th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death, Game of Thrones branding everywhere, presidential taxes, Joe Biden's weak apology, the Lil Nas X featuring Billy Ray Cyrus Old Town Road remix, Lori Loughlin's daughter hating her, Beyonce walking out on Reebok because of lack of diversity, and more!
FOOTNOTES:
1. Kurt Cobain: What to Read and Watch, 25 Years After the Nirvana Leader’s Death
2. WATCH: Game of Thrones Main Title by MTN DEW– Extended Cut
3. Trump Asked That Confirmation of I.R.S. Counsel Be a Priority
4. Let’s Talk Presidential Taxes
5. Biden apologizes for making anyone uncomfortable, says it wasn't his intention
6. WATCH: Lil Nas X - Old Town Road (feat. Billy Ray Cyrus) [Remix]
8. Beyonce walked out of deal with Reebok over pitch team's lack of diversity: report
9. WATCH: Best motivational speech EVER! *Never give up!!!* Eric Thomas
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season seventy seven, episode
one of Daily's eight Guy podcast. Let me take a
deep dive into America's share consciousness and say, officially off
the top fun coke Industries. Uh, it's Monday, April eight,
two thousand nine. Team, My name is Jack O'Brien a
k oh Brian, don't want no scrubs. Trump is a
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guy who can't get no love from me, hanging from
the Zeke Gang rab with his best friend Mith. Hot
taste coming at me courtesy of Maggie Kirk, and I'm
thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,
Mr Miles Back. You can't even saying old voice ready
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for you and old dailies, I geis is all old dailies.
I gus is all old dailies. I guys is all
old dailies. Guys all send me your mayor mouth great,
give me the mic so I can take it away
off on the cold roof charge Popo yards Yeah from
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a whole of the Dodgers sight gags walk who whoa
god man, god Lee, what a track shout out to
at just t dz a ks for that one. But
also I didn't forget everybody else who has been hit
me with shimmy yah aks over the years. Shout out
also to at Tera Non Firma for you did one too,
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and also at Dabi wan g. You are all seen
and heard, But I mean those that one, that one
took the kid came. Yeah, it's the one of two
songs I know how to play on the kids. It
is found that key and just hitting ote down for them. Yeah,
not too bad. We are thrilled to be joined in
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their third seat by the hilarious and talented comedian, writer,
actor and co host of the Good Muslims That Muslim podcast,
Zara nor Box. How are you? Oh my god, I'm
so excited to be here. Yes, we're so excited to
have you. This is my first recording after surgery. Surgery, Yes, yeah,
(02:05):
I noticed, Yes, you showed us. You have a bit
of a little scar. They split my throat. Many the
hope of medical professional and not a street gang. What
if it was a street gang that happened to be
a yeah, a thyroid issue. Yeah, so okay, So I
had a rogue nodule in my thyroid that was like
(02:27):
giving me like what I thought was like depression and anxiety,
but it was really just like jitters from like a
hyper thyroid and fatigue from a high poth thyroid just
up and down and uh it turned out to be
my thyroid the whole time, which was like kind of
nice to find out and then really scary because then
(02:47):
they were like, actually, it could be a really aggressive
strain of cancer. And then I was like, but I
had a year of TED Talks helping me, supporting me
through a period of time where I thought I had
depression and didn't know what was up. Just stand in
the Superman pose the whole time. I start post and
I just held that space of uncertainty until they told
(03:07):
me pre cancerous noddle, no further surgery necessary. Yeah, he
dropped out of here. You want to hear the best
part though, Yes, if I do have to get treatment
ever in my life, you have to take radio active iodine,
which means that I would be a nuclear Iranians the
(03:39):
most earned woman of mass destruction. Plutonium yellow cake for
your birthday. All right, Sorry, we're going to get to
know you even better in a moment, but first we're
going to tell our listeners a couple of the things
we're talking about today Friday. It was years since Kurt
Cobain died, and that made me feel old as years five. What.
(04:05):
So we're just gonna talk about that for like a minute,
and we're gonna talk about Game of Thrones, uh, and
how just like they are treating this like it's space jam,
Like there's so many endorsement deals and endorsement products, and
we're gonna just kind of compare that to other things,
other things that haven't done that. I think I haven't
heard of space jam reference in the same amount of
(04:27):
time I haven't heard about Kurt Cobain. I think, yeah,
right on, that's what you come here for, you exactly.
We're gonna talk about Trump's tax returns and whether we're
ever going to see them. Joseph Bidens d he do
apology for you being creeped out. He was sorry if
you were creeped I'm sorry you were weirded out, but
(04:48):
I'm not sorry for anything because whatever. He's never been
sorry specifically put that out there. We're gonna talk about
Herman Kane, who will be running maybe hopefully not what
the stock market thinks about the next election. Uh. Aunt
Becky Beyonce. We're gonna touch them all, but first we'd
(05:08):
like to ask, yeah, just all the subjects, all the
no Biden, no Biden, Nobiden, no Biden, no Biden. Uh Zara,
what is something from your search history that's revealing about
who you are? Oh? Crap, Okay, I just looked up
duck tails that one. Yeah, man, what are you thinking
(05:29):
about it myself? A mystery or rewrite history? I've been Yeah,
I've been working on my comedy specials debuting June. It's
called on Behalf of All Muslims a comedy special. Okay,
I feel like we need one. Uh, And you don't
say one of my hero is Scrooge McDuck. When I
was a kid, I just wanted to be him, and
(05:50):
I like had my mom like so many costumes. Yeah,
not for Halloween, just because oh ship, like you were
costplaying through life at Scrooge McDuck almost. I mean, okay, listen,
he wasn't immigrant, he had an accent. Was yeah, he
was selfish and I was, and he just used his
money to go on adventures and I was like, yes,
(06:10):
this is my man, right right? But then I like,
for the show, I had to do all this research
how he actually made that money, right, it's very dark,
it is. There are there are some early Scrooge McDuck
comics where he is in Africa, legit in Africa doing
some like real imperialist, crazy funked up stuff. Yeah. It
(06:33):
was a deep hole like Rhodesia type ship. Yeah yeah, yeah,
it's bad. Man. Hey he came around, man, But I mean,
what billionaire doesn't have many dark dark And that makes sense.
That's why you say, might solve a mystery or just
this money on the up and up? Man. No, no slavery,
(06:56):
no conflict, diamonds, no, nothing like that. Right. Wait, who
made early Scrooge McDuck origin cartoons around? Yeah? Yeah, And
actually early Scrooge McDuck comics are incredibly influential, Like they
were some of the first, like Donald Duck comics and
Scrooge McDuck that universe was like they think that the
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design of those characters influenced manga and like a lot
of that ship like and there's also like the shot
from Raiders where he's running away from the boulder that
first appeared in an early Scrooge McDuck comic. Like they
they really they were inventing shit out here. Okay, shout
out why I used to run a website where that's
(07:41):
all we did was dig into I forgot about that history. Alright, wait,
and I'm sorry with the like the subplot or you know,
Africa exploitation ship, was that like meant to be a
commentary is just more like accepted because of the time,
And they're like, and that's that guy. He's rich and
you know he he's doing. He's just I think it
(08:01):
was like a wacky, wacky adventure to Africa storyline. Okay,
like that that we're saying. He's like he's like the
de Beers Diamond Company or right, right, But I don't
know it was. I think I believe, if my memory serves,
it was a bit problematic. Okay, hit us with some
deep cut duck tails ship duck All right, what is
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something you think is overhearrated? Overrated? Oh my god, this
is really unpopular. Okay, I've never told this to anybody. Oh,
this is the space to do that. I don't know,
you guys, I don't know. Okay, that's fine, we'll find it.
I think we're both about to find out who each
other are. Queer ey, oh, the new queer eye. See
(08:44):
what happened? Well, what I mean. I haven't watched the
new season. Watch you said save space Space. To be honest,
I'm like, okay, I mean it's, you know, like any
show I don't really, especially TV, Like I don't give
a fucking people. I'm not as militant about TV. I'm
(09:05):
star posing. Yeah you are, and I feel your power
and I'm backed down. What do you think about? It
is overrated? Okay, it's liberal porn? Oh got you? You
mean in that sense? Like the first episode of the
third season, right like they're going into like quote unquote
backcountry where they're like, you know, the mindsets supposed to
be conservative and like they love guns and blah blah blah,
(09:28):
and then they like change her mind and everything, and
it just felt like, oh, okay, if I was like
a moderate liberal, then I'd be like, see, if we do,
I'll just meet each other and we change each other's
clothes and we change each other's progressive wish fulfillment fantasy exactly.
And I just was like, I don't know, you guys, Yeah,
well I think yeah. I think for you being an
(09:48):
activist too, do you see a lot more nuanced than
simply having these like you know what you know where
it comes from. It's from being a feminist, Muslim, Iranian,
American bisexual comedian dealing with liberal audiences that whenever I'm
on stage, they expect that I'm going to articulate for
them all of my difference, transform our relationship, and then
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we'll all walk away, you know, empirically better humans, exactly exactly,
And I'm like, I would also like to talk about
dicks and farts and birds and ships and tits and
clips ranked rank those all right now and there after
you feel like they're the like yeah, you say it's
(10:33):
sister T tell us about Trump right like that, right, yeah,
exactly right, where the audience congratulates themselves for laughing at
a joke from someone who's different than them, it means
I'm actually not problematic. Like one thing I will give
Jonathan van Ness on Instagram, he's been documenting how he's
like learning how to figure skate amazing from someone who
(10:56):
would look like I like you, I used to play hockey,
so I can tell when somebody very uncomfortable on skates
that was him. And he's slowly making progress. It's almost
like he's just being like, I've always want to be
a fair skater kind of his best life. Yeah. Yeah,
And you're not saying the people who are on the
show or overrated or anything. You're just saying that maybe
the overall structure and its role that it serves in
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people's lives a little exactly. I love it. Yeah, I haven't.
They just went to They just went to Capitol Hill
and like that was That's where I can't because they're
with AOC and I was like, oh, there we go.
They're really being like if you're on the left, we're
all in baby jonath Vandess is working heels in the
halls of the Capitol building. I just got to talk
(11:39):
to them once nell see the errors of their ways. Okay,
do we have another question for me? Because I want
for you guys to Yeah, what is something you think
is underrated? Um, I'm gonna say motivational videos? Right, especially
after you're talking about what you've been through. Yeah. I
watched these motivational videos and I like Ray Lewis and
(12:01):
Eric Thomas and Les Brown Damn ray Lewis, huh yeah,
kind of amazing. Yeah, think can get you out of
a murder charge? Rated? Yeah? Yo, man, I mean that
is the ship m ob mind of her body? Okay?
(12:22):
Is this like montage that opens with like the Game
of Throne soundtrack and just athletic failure, just like shot
for shot of athlete like NBA all starts sobbing people
like marathon runners crying and collapsing, and then Eric Thomas
is like, when the messenger of misery comes for you,
what will you say to keep you in the game? Damn?
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And I'm like, all right, let's go, let's make some coffee,
open my inbox. I'm ready. Come on, ray Lewis, Let's
throw that suit away. Isn't that what he did? Like
he went into a limousine with a suit that had
all sorts of murder evidence all over it and then vanished.
(13:05):
What's that video called? You're talking about power though? I mean,
that's why people are like, are you ready for this title?
Asterisk best motivational video of all times? Asterisk god bless
you YouTube, God bless YouTube. We're gonna have to definitely
(13:26):
put that in the footnotes as motivational video of all time?
And what is a myth? What's something people think is
true you know to be false? Uh that if we
just can learn about each other, then we'll find out
we're all the same and everything will be better. Yeah,
it's not. It's also so far from accurate, so far
(13:51):
from accurate, Like the more like we're the whole point
of the states of the United States is that we
were like, we have irreconcilable differences, and then here's like
a contract to keep us all together right right, and
that that's cohabitation. So what do you how do you
see or do you see that that sort of you know,
(14:12):
phrase or whatever idea is addressing a problem that isn't
solvable in that sense or where what? How would you
read jigger that message? Uh, I don't like you, you
don't like me, and we live next door right right.
We gotta hug, but you don't gotta throw, you know,
fire bombs at each other. We don't even gotta huge
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I'm saying, we don't have to, yeah, disrespect each other's face.
I'm like, you do do you? How about this? Do you? Yeah?
And I'm not gonna worry about you. You You don't have
to worry about me. But you know what we have
in common a love of infrastructure and social welfare, having
clean drinking water. It's like it's like less libertarian a
little bit more like, we both understand that there is
(14:56):
a need for speed limits. Let's meet each other, right,
the DMV. Let's give that more funding. Let's raise those salaries. Right.
She's like, I don't know about you, Zoro, but I
like to wait at the d m V. Exactly. You know,
here's another way. Here's another way to not wait around
at the DMV. Build another d m V, d m
vs for every city two three, four, there are no lines. Okay,
(15:20):
you know what I'm saying. Post office is not Amazon.
How about that. See, that's what I'm saying. Sexy running
on that platform of more post offices, more d m vs,
post office on every corner. That's what I'm gonna say.
I'm gonna say whenever someone is like, we're just like you,
You're just like me. We're all the same, and be
like cool, infrastructure, let's bring into infrastructure, It's like, yeah,
(15:41):
we're just like each other, like in the same basic things,
like we have the same desires for security and you know,
companionship with those kinds of things. But than that, yeah,
you know what. Actually, I'm having a revelatory moment right
after a year of like motivational speeches to get me
through what was just the thyroid disaster. I'm realizing that
it is less about will power and more about the
structures they keep it together. Yeah yeah, yeah, my blood.
(16:06):
We gotta we gotta get you on like a speaking
tour now. I'm ready. Yeah, put your black turtleneck on,
bring me Holmes it all the way. Let me hear
that deep Holmes voice. So what I think is that's
pretty good. I'm here. You can all get behind d
(16:27):
m B. Maybe build a couple more. Yeah, she's good.
Just one drop of blood for d m B s.
I like that she made her little blood factory thing
look like a little tiny factory. That was a good touch,
except like in that Ho documentary when you saw much
of a disaster was inside. Oh my god, that was amazing,
(16:49):
Like we're dealing with like pathogens and stuff, blood flying.
My favorite part was how all these old white guys
were like, I don't understand how she got by us.
She was so caress math right. I think it's because
she didn't blink and she like just sort of was
really good at playing this part that people took like
the visual information when this person is smart. She was attractive. Yeah,
(17:10):
good for her. I mean look, I forget. There are
so many people on Twitter who were like tweeting Ship
like no woman of color could get away with her that. Okay, listen,
do you know the meanings I've had when I tried
to pull like any amount of rink Zara, you're too
tall and you're too loud, right, and nobody likes you.
(17:30):
I'll tall, are you five nine? But everyone thinks that
I'm like six ten because I'm a big energy and
your energy and you watch those motivational videos got too much?
You say you had a question for us? Uh I did? Alright,
Well I remember it. I did. Okay, I've been thinking
(17:51):
a lot about gender binary. I'll come to conclusion, a
placeholder conclusion that I'm testing right now. I believe that
there is a binary fart positive fart chame, Oh Ship,
are you famb baby? Really? Yeah? Of course you are. Yeah,
you're like a fart high five. No. Like, it's totally
(18:16):
context based, isn't it. See you're my man? Okay, That's
what I'm saying, is like, I don't know the other
side of it. Maybe there isn't a binary? Is a fluid? Yeah?
I think it's fluid because like because now we're like
really thinking about I'm like, yeah, because don't be fartner,
don't just fart up in anywhere, pick your shots because
(18:39):
we do. I guess there is something because it's my
mom is far positive. She will always high five ay fart,
that's like my mom too, My mom, Yo, it's so funny.
I don't tell me, tell me. She likes a good fart, okay.
And on both sides of my family, we fart from
my maternal grandparents into my paternal grandparents. Farts are like
(19:02):
the language, and they're from Japan. A powerful fart coming
from a petite person is very funny. Based on my
little Japanese mom who's like five one, and even my
grandfather from Chicago, like, the farts are the same and
the love for farts to say, and she used to
yell at me, my mom. So she loves the fart
so much that if she feels one, even if she's
yelling at me, we'll just rip one. She's like, she's like,
(19:26):
you know, not need done out, Like she's like in Japanese,
like what the fun do you just say to me
type ship and then be like and like and then
we just start laughing. And I keep telling the kid.
I was like, Yo, you just lost all your steam
right there because you decided to just fart it up
and now we're all laughing. So she's like and then
(19:46):
she laughs, she laughs too, because then I'm like, well, then,
how much I think you're angry. I think that's her
way of like getting away from being mean mom or something. Right,
But she doesn't fart all the time. But you know, uh,
with my mom, I mean, my family was My family
was very far positive. Okay, yeah, like it was. It
(20:07):
wasn't celebrate, no high fives, but just also no attempt
to shield each other from our from our farts. What
about for the women in the family specifically, Yeah, I
think they just let it go. Just let it go. Yeah,
because it wasn't a thing where like no, jack, we
don't poop right because people like that, I'm like, that's
door open, door open. I mean that's pretty standard for
(20:28):
a family. Right, didn't have a door, right, we had
we had no door, and we had a camera that
was live his party. Yeah, my mom was far positive.
High five even if it was a silent but deadly
Oh wow, Yeah, she would like high five. You wouldn't
know why you were getting a hut like everyone else.
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And then you would just be like She's like, buckle up, baby, girls.
She would be like, oh that's everything inside of you
was wrong. Good job, give me, give me an make
me so mad because I was like, all fart shame, Yeah,
oh you are you are not fart posy. I take
after my dad. My dad was like, don't talk about it.
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I don't want to talk. Friends like that too, who
don't want you want to talk about it. People who
are married and they're like you don't. He's like, no,
I don't like. I don't like like, we don't like
to hear each other fart. Are married. The guests like
the fart, the gas, like the gas, yeah, what fart? Yeah,
nothing happened. Oh you smell something that's weird. Once you
have a kid, you get very like it's hilarious when
(21:32):
your kids starts farting and like realizes he's farting, and
like and it's into it and like it's a dog
trying to fight his own ass when they farmed up.
Videos are adorable, Yeah, but poop lose a lot of
it shame once you Once you have a kid, Great,
all right, we're gonna take a quick break, We'll be
right back, and we're back. And it's been twenty five years.
(22:05):
It's twenty five years since Kurt Cobain died. Uh is
not how the rest of that song? Yeah, So I
was just trying to think of like two kids today,
what what is Kurt Cobain's death? And I was realizing
it's like, at the very least, like how like Hendrix
(22:27):
seemed to me when I was a kid like that,
it's like that long ago, or like Janis Joplin or
like the Doors or you know, like JFK. Five years
after JFK's death. Was it was like not four yeah,
and not giving a fun and even like yeah, I
guess yeah. To me, it's just thinking of like, you know,
(22:48):
me being a ten year old when that happened or
was it ninety nine, right, and then thinking of like
someone's like little sibling who was just born that day,
like that's a baby, that thing, and who haven't seen
in years ago? You know that that person is now Wait,
that's Kurt Cobain's death distance twenty five years. I don't
know all of these things to say that we always
have reminders that we are dying and life is transient
(23:14):
than God, do you guys still wonder about part and
what happened? Aren't there like documentaries? I haven't seen like
much of the documentaries because there's so many that I'm like,
I don't know, did they what? Everyone's a lot of
people say Corney Love did it? Yeah or something? Yeah,
what do you say? Let's sayest thy jack? Uh, I
(23:35):
just gave mine categorically you think she did it? No,
I don't. Yeah, I don't either. I think because you
just went yeah the way I said, people think she
didn't the way you said. Yes, I thought you said.
You know one of those people that's like almost the
default conclusion online is like, oh, yeah, she murdered him.
Like people just want to believe that ship because it's
kind of a more interesting version of reality. But yeah,
(23:57):
I mean they had a very like toxic, violatile relationship
and but but I don't think she like ordered a
hit on. Yeah, that's what I'm just like, I'm just
not even interested in like trying to figure that out.
Like if it was a murderer, I'd hope the police
are figuring that out. And yeah, if just you know,
just let his terrible guitar playing live on in eternity. Dude,
(24:18):
there is like people canna give me here for that.
I'm telling you. Technically he was not a good guitar player.
I am, I wrong. Yeah, just like the superducer nick stuff.
He just goes, I don't care a ship, dude. But
that was his sts, you know what I mean. He
was kurt, you know, that was his vibe. So you know,
hopefully in the I still ride for the Unplugged. Uh,
(24:40):
they die, don't go to heaven. We're in the angels ground.
Oh that takes me back to the fourth of July.
That's great anyway alone, Junior high, let's talk about Game
of Thrones. Yes, it's coming, it's coming. Are you a fan?
I am. I hate that I'm a fan, but I am.
I think like most people, I'm a self floating fan.
I'm just I'm more of the person who, as I
(25:01):
say all the time, I just need the sweet release
of this ending so I can move on with my
life and just know how it ends and figure out
where they were taking this the whole time. But so
you didn't read the leaked no, no, no, and I don't.
I don't have enough. I didn't read the books. I
just took it as a show that was on that
I will watch. I don't engage much even on like
fan boards where people like go to town trying to
figure out what's going on. This reminds me of when
people talk about smoking. What do you mean, I'm not
(25:24):
really a smoker. I just smoke with like friends, right, yeah, right,
we've all seen social smoking smoking watching. So Game of Thrones, though,
is heading into this last season just kicking the fuck up.
They are like, there's oreos, as we talked about it
on the past episode. Now there's like a secret Game
(25:45):
of Thrones shake check menu, damn um. And it's just
it's a weird look for like critically acclaimed. Yeah, they're
just going full bro murder fuck fest type, like you
know this is like hard friendly ship. Yeah, that's not
kid friendly ship. That's that's right, right, And they're like, yeah,
don't you want oreos for your kids to eat? On
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the show about the the little boy who caught the
brother and sister having sex and was pushed out a
window and became a cripple. Yeah, I was saying right,
I was saying earlier though, like think about if, like
heading into the last season of Sopranos. They had like
Polly Walnuts Oreos and Christopher Oreos and everything white blue
Raspberry blowpops heading in the last season right Breaking Bad.
(26:31):
It's like it's just very they're treating it like it's
an action franchise or like something like that or a
Disney movie. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like usually
like you see these kind of product integration things for
like brands that are broad enough or like you know, intellectual.
Probably it's broad enough that it won't like put people off.
But I guess maybe it's probably testament just to the
phenomenon that is the show where everyone is trying to
(26:53):
be like hop in on this, because when even the
shake shack thing is absurd, the right updated is so
just overly elaborate. So first of all, it's only available
at the I think Madison Square Park location uh in
New York. So look, New York is getting there. You
go go go get it, but you have to they
said you could you order in Valerian. Okay, So the
(27:15):
Drekarisburger Dracaro Parclapos features a double Monterey Jack cheeseburger search
from the finest head of cattle. The Seven Kingdoms has
to offer, griddled by the fires of Dragon and Regal.
The burger is then top to the fiery shack sauce
created French herbs and spices from the conquered cities of Unheimrin.
(27:36):
And I'm like, yo, you want slave talking about conquered cities.
And also, like the food in that universe is like real,
like dirty, and like, yeah, you just eat like a
leg of a horse and some wine. Figure about food
in the Game of Thrones universe makes me think of
two things. One is dorn because they were all about
their food and and the other is that like father
(27:59):
and son starved, right, you know, like that's we didn't
have enough. Yeah. Other than that, it's just meat and ship.
This is like the opposite of like, Okay, so I
have this joke about how like, you know, liberals, liberal
white people always like to think about how like food
trucks solve racism, right, and we just eat each other's
food then we can get along. This is like the
(28:19):
exact polar opposite. This is like eat each other's eat food,
conquer con yes, murder pillage food from the vanquish. Yeah,
and then like just even the shake, it's just a shake,
but It's like custard is frozen with packed snow harvest
with cocks snow harvested beyond the wall and hand churned
(28:40):
by members of the Night's Watch. It's like, no, bro,
it's someone being underpaid by a starving student who has
a you know, their their job, trying to make in
his meat, not to hand churned by the Knight's Watch.
But hey, he's a man of the Night's Watch, right
and then his watch. What happens to the women who
are turning it to uh? But then you look at
everything that's like it goes like this. This started seemed
(29:01):
like parody to me. They have a Deda's ultra booth sneakers,
which is just like they're trying to jump on the
hype beasts like thing like and then Mountain Dew which
play that. Okay, we have a clip this. This is
what's really absurd there. It was like a celebrity Laden
is dwelling beads Dale Earnhardt Jr. Motherfucking me goos uh
and they're all singing the Game of Throne song. But
(29:25):
it's just so cringe e. It's just like a black
backdrop and people are just like do do do do here,
let's listen to this clip. Oh mountain, hold on, hold on,
(29:57):
take off looks so high in this ship too, and
they're wearing the most ornate ship, like just checked out
getting that check. I mean, look, credit to me goes,
get the fucking just secure the bag and get the
funk out. And then there's even Johnny Walker Resky Johnny
Walker like that seems I guess. Yeah, well, you guys
do the rest of the show. Just keep talking. I'm
(30:17):
just going to be here in the background, dude, mountain
mountain dew, mountain dew. Al Right, well you know what
I mean, Hey, what you gotta do? They got me,
you know, I'm addicted. So let's talk tax returns coming
up from that time a year. Yeah, well, yeah, there's that,
(30:37):
But then also you know the mirage and the desert
that is, will we ever see those tax returns of
the president, And you know, like that was the thing
that I think lightened people's spirits on the left. When
the Democrats took the House in the midterms. You're like, Okay,
well maybe we can start getting these tax returns from
the I R s. But it's April now, and everybody's like,
(30:58):
what the funk is going on because I think people
are not satisfied with the William Barr's MULA report. So
now they're talking tax returns. But the reason after like
reading a lot of articles about this, there's just like
a legal arms race happening between the House Democrats and
the White House. So on one hand, you have the Democrats,
where essentially Nancy Pelosi is like bringing in a lot
(31:21):
of like legal counsel to be like the House uh,
you know legal counsel. Uh. And these are people who
have like proven track records on trying to like prove
cases using like a legislative record, and that's essentially what
they're going to do because they realize it is going
to be a massive legal battle because you know, Trump
obviously doesn't want to share those things, and he's gonna,
you know, figure out ways to obstruct people's ability or
(31:43):
impede people's ability to see the tax returns. So they realize, okay,
this is a slow game here. We're gonna have to
like enter things into the record, and so we can
really when we have to go to court, we have
an actual legal case that says, I don't care what
weird argument they're using. This is the facts, jack, uh,
and give us the damn tax returns. So on the
Trump side is mounting up another way because they're basically
(32:06):
just packing the I R S with just his cronies. So,
for example, there was on the New York Times was
reporting that he was begging Mitch McConnell to fast track
the confirmation of this of Trump's pick to be the
I R S is like head legal counsel. Uh. This
man named Michael Desmond, And that's weird. I wonder what
connection they have. Well, Michael Desmond is was a one
(32:29):
time Trump tax lawyer. Uh. And he was also a
colleague of William Nelson and Sherry Dillon, who are Trump's
like longtime tax lawyers, and those are the people who
like affort he won the election. He's like, I'm putting
my business in a blind trust and I just had
that like vague stack of papers. Those are the people
behind that ship. So their their friend is now being
(32:50):
the pick to be confirmed as the I R S
is chief lawyer because he's gonna be the person to
argue against turning over the tax And he was basically
asking Mitch McConnell to priorties this even over William Barr's
confirmation to be the head of d o J to
be a g so he gets He's like, oh, yeah,
that's that spy. What do we think we're going to
(33:11):
see in the tax returns? Just like his exposure to
like maybe like where where all that cash is coming from? Yeah?
Or like if there's any business dealings that do involve
any you know, Russian entities, other properties he may own
that we didn't know he owned. You know, this is
there's just a lot you were taking his word on everything, Okay?
I like, and also the fraud he's probably committing. I
(33:31):
have a question, could we like, can you explain this
to me in relation to Bill Clinton and his com stain? Right? Yeah,
so it all goes back, yeah, Like is this really
that hard? I mean, come, we impeached a man over
a com stain on a gap dress. I feel like
we could do a tax return not before turning that
investigation into a FOE best seller, right number one New
(33:55):
York Times best seller, like the day after it was
turned in. I mean, if that is that what we need,
let's fast track this ship. Like, let's just and even
then because it's not just this LRD. The commissioner of
the I R S is also a Trump crony and
like before he got his gig, wrote a column at
four was being like Trump shouldn't release his taxes. Of
course cut to you being the commissioner of the I
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R S. So you know you have people who are
like finding every weird whack legal argument to just stall it,
to take it to court, because the I R S
really doesn't have a good legal argument against it aside
from when they're going to have to concoct and then
arguing court, which is why Democrats are trying to get
ahead of it and be like Okay, well let's try.
And it's just you know what, this is a classic,
Like we are now in season six of Fraser and
(34:38):
season seven of Friends? Is that what happened will Ross
and Rachel get together? Daphne and Niles finally get together?
Well they find will Daphne find out? Will Trump and
his tax returns ever be exposed? It's like it's another
romantic love plot subplot and hopefully Marcel the monkey from
(35:00):
Outbreak will also make it. Did I feel like an
episode of Friends? I was very confused as a kid. Yes,
and I know there there's another you know track that
people are saying, you know, we could go this direction
to which is you know Trump has always said, but
I can't release the textis terms, I'm under audit. I'm
under aut it. So and like the lawyers who did
this big cool stack of papers show at the beginning
(35:20):
of seventeen, they were also like, uh, it's been like
in a perpetual state of audit for the last ten years.
So they're saying, like, why don't we just pull up
to the I R S and say is it under audit?
And then maybe just remove that defense first and maybe
get somebody on Wax at the I R S to
determine that, because there's like a lot of ways to
make this move forward. Yeah, and I think I'm sure
(35:41):
they're all thinking of it. So it's just like the
most boring fucking chess game of all time. Yeah, I mean,
welcome to a government infrastructure that looks like Iran's. Yeah,
and like last time you were here, a lot of destabilization,
That's what I'm saying. It's just mydina dad got a
second term. A lot of people didn't remember voting for them,
but that happened, right, So, like I don't know I'm
(36:03):
on the the like, you know, will he get reelected?
Is like probably because I know how the storyline goes, right.
I think I've seen this pattern before. The stock market
is was pulled. The people who run the stock market
or you know, investors were pulled and are saying that
they are gambling. Uh of them are gambling that he
(36:28):
is going to be re elected. What do you mean that?
He's like, they're they're they're putting money. They're putting down No,
not no, not on Vegas, like just in terms of
how they structure their investment. But there is like what
you just said, the way that they structure their investments,
like this should be illegal. You should not be allowed
to short sell on your country, right, which is essentially
what anybody who's making money off of the presidency is doing. Right. Um,
(36:53):
and Joe Biden Joseph Biden real briefly said sorry you
felt that way. I'm not sorry for anything. Ever. Yeah,
he had like a public speaking thing and he kind
of made a joke about it up there, and then
afterwards he for the first time face journalists being like, uh, hi,
(37:13):
we have a question about these people saying you are
touchy in the wrong fucking way. Oh je, have you
not heard about this? Okay, good, I can let me
get you up to speed. So a lot of people, uh,
In the last week are about three or four people
have come out to talk about their experiences with Joe
Biden just you know, he's just a touchy dude. He's
like he's like, you know, hugging women from the back
(37:35):
and like whispringing their ear, and people like it's just weird,
you know, like and a lot of them are like,
just to be clear, I'm not saying he assaulted me
in any way, but I was made uncomfortable by his
invasion of my personal space. So he's been dealing with
this like quote unbook scandal, but basically being people asking, hi, Joe,
you know every there's many photos of you sort of
looking like you don't give a funk about people's personal space.
(37:56):
Do you care to comment on that? At first he
was just like, you know, I I really like social
norms are changing and I will do better, was the
first thing. But people like, why don't you say you're sorry?
Can you can you? Can you articulate that rather than
just sort of defending yourself, I mean, like a times
changing man times, The Times are wrong, not me. And
then so he had this moment afterwards because a lot
(38:17):
of people, like his critics and people who are even
on the Democratic strategy side, is saying like he should
just like be like, yeah, look, I'm sorry, I'm invading
people's space. I won't do it anymore. But he's been
doing everything except that. So this is him answering a
question about it. Do you think least I'm gonna in
direct apology who have come fluence? Oh? Well, look, I
the fact of the matter is I made it clear
(38:38):
that if I made you want to feel comfortable, I
feel badly about that. There was never my intention, ever, ever, ever,
But there's someone who want to go directly. I am sorry.
Are you sorry for the way that you made? I'm
sorry I didn't understand. I'm not sorry for any of
my intentions. I'm not sorry for anything that I've ever done.
(38:59):
I've never been disrespectful or intentionally to a man or
a woman. Um, you know, it's sets not the reputation
has since I was in high school, for God's sake.
So that's not the reputation I've had since I was
in high school. Anyways. Uh, also, at a speech on Friday.
I believe he hugged the guy Lonnie Stevenson, who was
(39:22):
introducing him, and then his opening line, or one of
his early in speech, he said, I just want you
to know I had permission to hug Lonnie, and the
line drew applause and laughter from the crowd. Moving on
right later, during another point during his speech, when there
were children on stage, he put his arm around a
young boy and said, by the way, he gave me
(39:44):
permission to touch him, So it's like he's now ever
doing it make a point that people are like to touchy,
demanding you know what, you know what, you know what.
I'm gonna inhabit the throne and make a declarative statement
as patriarch in this moment. I'm done with apologies. I'm
(40:06):
done with apologies. I wish the left, the progressive, the
intersectional body on behalf of the intersectional body. Let's stop
asking for apologies. It's such a red herring, and it's like,
excuse the conversation, and all of a sudden, the conversation
becomes about these like minor missteps and intent instead of
(40:27):
establishing new norms, and like it sucks to hear this
because I feel like, and given I've been under a rock,
it sucks to hear all this like play out because
I feel like I hear I'm saying, you know, there
are new norms and I and I want us to
like jump on that and be like, yes, there are,
here's how it goes, and here's what we do now,
(40:47):
just being so focused on an apology exactly and instead
because everyone's giving pity face and being like, but are
you gonna say sorry? Though that that of course sets
him up Like as a pr person, I'm like, yes,
you are setting up a messaging route that is going
to be like so, then now he's always going to
check in to make sure it's okay and does he
(41:08):
need to make an apology? And is that what we're about? No,
we're about action. It's supposed to move this way. But
are we typified and stereotyped as snowflakes that Carolina Bill
feelings and being patronizing, which I have like an acute
ear for as a woman, Like that's the direction it's taking.
It's sort of like we're eating the bait that they're
(41:30):
the crap bait that they're handing us. That's a good point.
That's a really good point that like the follow up
there would have been like, Okay, describe what those new
norms are and how what are you going to do?
What can other men like you who might not have
been familiar with them, what can you do to like,
what are some board some you know, guidelines that you
can follow. Let's let's define this. But arguments like well,
(41:52):
I've been doing this for years, right, I think the
argument I'm making is like what you're saying about how
it's less about him and more about like, what's our
goal here? If we're making the same moment for people
to be focused on, what are we focusing on? Yeah? Well,
and he did say that in his video, thing about
saying like and I realized that, I'm that's not cool,
(42:14):
and I'll be very careful to not be considerative people's
personal space going forward or whatever. So I mean, he
articulated that, but I think it's when he gets defensive
about it then you almost feel like, but did you
do are you really like embracing like what you're saying
in that sense? I mean, I imagine he has to
be careful to like, I don't want to turn into
an apologist, but like I wonder how much he has
(42:35):
to be cautious as a public figure, as a person
on committees, who also has to be aware of what
he opens himself up to in terms of a legal battle,
right And it's like, you know, we can't assume that
they are all good people, you know, like people like
that's tricky, that's careful space that has to be I
don't know, does that make sense? Wait, what do you mean?
(42:56):
And what did you mean by in terms of like legality,
there's a language that if he opens himself up to,
then isn't that then slippery slope because he's articulated some
kind of apology that could be constrained as an admission
of guilt exactly, And then people who are not cool
could jump in on that and then create a real problem.
(43:20):
Right well, I think again no one has actually ever
accused him of anything criminal. So that's where it's like, yeah,
and I think most people saw like even what he
was doing is like you're just doing that ship where
you don't get that like motherfucker's don't want it to
be fucking you know, touch and do stuff like that
and like and that's like not a single person said
(43:40):
it was assaulter anyway, they're just like, yeah, he's got
a problem with personal space. There was a journalist at
the Washington Pubs like, yeah, he fucking grabbed me by
the shoulders and like put his face up against minds
Like I didn't like it. Yeah, and he's gonna dig that.
I dig that conversation. I did the conversation that's like, hey, Biden,
you're a clothes talker. It's really right, and that's what
it's turning into. And I think, but then it's starting
to play out of sort of like what's wrong with everything? Yeah,
(44:03):
And it's like that's that stuff is so hard to
articulate to men without like it getting super awkward, right,
And I think for him, if he apologizes in his
mind or something, he's admitting to doing something far worse,
probably probably the thing that I was worried about. But
I mean, I don't know. I don't give an example,
like when you say that sort of thing is so
hard to articulate to men, like what do you mean
(44:24):
by that? Well? Okay, So for for example, for example,
there like there was a guy that I used to
interview with and like his favorite thing was to like
greet me, take my hand, kiss, me on both cheeks
and put his arm around my shoulder and pull me in.
And I hated it, but like I he was clearly
(44:45):
making an attempt to like, you know, work with whatever
insecurity that he has around, like social, like being social
with a woman and come over here, and these things
were making him feel powerful somehow, so that he was
like appear with me and like, but I didn't like
any of it. But the easier thing to do is
to just like smile and be like huh yeah, okay,
(45:06):
and we'll sit down. You know, It's much harder to
be like, don't you don't kiss me on the cheek, man,
because then like you have a whole big conversation that's like,
well what do you mean? I didn't mean anything, but
you know, and it like immediately escalates. So then at
least when you know, you have like a Biden conversation
like this, you can de escalate it somehow and be like, look,
(45:30):
it's just one of those kinds of moments where it's
like you're you're being a clothes talker right now. I
don't love it so much. It's like, you know, I
don't like that a lot. I don't like that a
whole lot, like and it's like it's so difficult to
articulate because it's you know, Amy Schumer made that joke
about grape right, Like there's that gray area that there's
(45:53):
like different microaggressive versions of sexual assaults, just as there
are you know, like and how do you have those
conversations without it escalating into like super awkwardness because and
then take care of the women who are actually articulating them,
because the whole reason why we put up with them
is to not have those conversations so we can remain
(46:13):
appear right ship, Yeah, well I think, yeah, I think
because again, even like Joe, like the defensiveness is like
I think I'm being accused of something like way worse
than what it is when it's not just sort of
being seen as as just a practical matter of personal
space that like people are sort of I don't know,
it seems the way the response has been from even
(46:34):
the people who defend him, they act like he's being
accused of something much greater than what it is. And
even then there's no nuance in their mind about like
what a discussion of personal spaces. It's like it's it's
a viola? Is it a violation of personal space or
is this some just terrible transgression, right, And I think
people aren't able to sort of pass through that, or
(46:55):
at least his defenders aren't, because they really are going
to bat for him, like he's been accused of like
being a serial molester or something like that. How do
you guys navigate that kind of space? I I mean,
as I move more in my professional life, I don't
I read whatever the person is giving me. So if
someone comes up to me that I'm meeting for the
(47:15):
first time, if they open their arms for like to
like they're a hugger or something, then oh no, no,
I start or but usually I just offer a hand
like a handshake because I just keep it like that,
and I'm not I'm I'm also personally like I'm just
I don't want to make other people feel uncomfortable. And
I also don't have like a desire to just be
(47:36):
hugging people all the time either, So I'm fine, I'm
just like, hey, good. But I'm also very open to
you know, hearing anything about like, you know, my own
privilege as a man or whatever understanding like oh yeah,
I also know being a man. You don't hear ship
like that a lot of time for the precise reason
you're talking about it, because people would rather not have
(47:57):
that discussion. But I try and be as open as
possible because I don't want to be the type of
dude who someone can bring that up to. And I'm like,
what the are you talking about? Right? I mean, there's
no need for me to be defensive, because at a
base level, I'm like, you know, there's always it to learn.
There's allays ship. I'm not perceiving. There's all ship I
haven't learned. I'm here to learn. And I don't know
what to do with my hands when I'm not interacting
(48:19):
with people, So I don't know. I gotta funk with
trying to do it with my hand. Okay, a lot
of sweats, sir. All Right, we got to take a
quick break. We'll be right back and her back and
(48:44):
Old Town Road is the greatest work of American art
of the last decade. End of story. Yeah you moving
on when I came in this, Yeah, the song is
fucking it's under my skin man, now that you've had
in a good way a little time to sit with it,
yeah you got And even the remix works for me. Well,
(49:05):
the remix is really here. In Billy ray Cyrus his
haunting old voice, it for a second sounds like, oh,
let me just let me just give y'all, let's just
give a little taste of this one. Yeah, I'm take
my horse through the town road. I'm gonna run. Yeah,
(49:28):
you get that cowboy happen. That's rights in them. Okay,
So zorry don't know in your under rocknus that you were.
You may not have heard about Little Nazas, who's a
rapper who whose original song was him singing that part
uh And it was like a country trap song that
(49:49):
blew up. It got on the country Billboard charts, and
then Billboard pulled it because it was quote unquote not
country enough, and everyone's like, what the funk are y'all
trying to say? I mean, we know what you're trying
to say, but like, what the fuck? And it's a
lot of people came out to defend it, and then
Billy ray Cyrus was like, you know what, man, let's
do a remixe and and I have Billboard tell us
(50:09):
that this ship ain't country now and that was like
the remix and like, yeah, there's something. There's an elevation there.
I think we're here. It's just so basic. But it's
like Billy Ray Cyrus is a genius of Basicnessuh. It
just like he's the perfect person to match with just
the this stripped down to its bare roots. Uh, silly,
(50:33):
It's gonna be funny. I I hope it's like just
a torch song that people are just gonna be. Like
if you're like in a you know, like leaving a
concert and someone just starts singing it, everyone just hops in. Yeah, Jude, Yeah,
I take my time. Yeah, man, start crying and ship
the people. Yeah. Anyway, so that babies are gonna be
(50:54):
conceived to that song, it's gonna be wedding people's wedding
songs twenty five years from now. You're gonna be in
reviewing a perspective. No employee would be like, what's your name?
Said Little nos X? Okay, hey just listen to know it.
I'm pregnant. But yeah, it's a convergence of you know,
obviously trapping country, but then you've got like the yeehaw
(51:15):
agenda and black fashion. I guess Little nos X was
just before this, had like a meme account that was,
you know, very popular, and then got banned and it's
just very I don't know, it's got it's got a
lot of ship kids, you know what I mean. This
dude is uh, you gotta respect what he's doing. Uh,
(51:37):
let's talk about Aunt Becky real quickly. Okay. So Aunt
Becky did uh Becky, which, by the way, I was
culture was the last culture Esta And someone said, you know,
he had never watched Full House and he thought Aunt
Becky was just a mean name. We were calling this
white lady like just calling her Becky over here. Anyway,
(52:02):
So the daughter of Aunt Becky and Massimo most nineties
should ever Olivia Jade, who was caught up in this
mess because she went to USC because they said she
was doing crew anyway, she's kicked out. She was an
Instagram influencer, like beauty influencer, and she like lost her
like Sephora deal and all these other things for you know,
committing fraud or her parents. And now in US magazine
(52:22):
is reporting that Olivia just blames her fucking parents for it,
and she's so messed up, says quote. Olivia was passionate
about her career. Now everything she built has imploded before
her eyes. She feels they ruined everything. She's not talking
to her parents right now, and she feels she is
the victim. Olivia blames her mom and dad for this
scandal and for the downfall of her career. You know what,
(52:43):
Luckily you are in a class of human beings where
you don't need a college degree to survive. So, uh,
you know, maybe you can. We can find figure something
else out for you to do, but don't tear your
family down. Don't tell you. But I mean, who's to know.
I have a feeling she knew because based on all
these reports about this uh investigation, most of the kids
(53:04):
did know. But I do feel like, just based on
her social media presence, every step of this was extremely
reluctant and like the documents where you have, I think
it was Auntbecky like emailing USC being like we're just
having trouble, like getting the application form done. Oh yeah, yeah.
It's just like she she was not about that academic life.
(53:28):
Where is she in the sibling lineup? What? Why? What's
your what's your theory on that? The oldest kid, I'm
an oldest kid. We are like, give me the hand out,
let's go, let's do this. What do you got? And
then the ones that come after you are like, you know,
I can do this myself. I don't care about I'm
the second kid, but doesn't matter. I can fight like
(53:50):
a first kid. I don't need help. I don't need
handopps because she's saying like, why did you give me
hand as? I could have done it on my own right,
But I think hers is like if you guys didn't
fucking just break the rules. I used to have my
influencer deals. It's really what it was. What how I
translate that quote is like I don't have a Saphori deal, mom. Yeah,
(54:13):
and that's and then I hear a door slam. So
you know what learned from Kylie? Yeah, that's rough made,
self made, self made, and self paid. And also very quickly,
Beyonce she signed with Adidas. I'm sure everybody heard, but
there was just an anecdote according to Nick to Paula,
who is like a shoe guy now working for ESPN,
he had the t because Beyonce was being coarded by
(54:33):
I think under Armor, everybody, even Jordan's, and she ultimately
landed it with Adidas. Okay, good for you all, but
she really had a problem with Reebok. Okay, So quote
she had a meeting at Reebok and they had a
whole presentation of everything, potential products, how this could all look.
And she kind of took a step back and said,
is this the team that will be working on my product?
Somebody said yes, and she said, nobody in this room
(54:56):
reflects my background, my skin color, and where I'm from
and what I want to do. So she took a
step back and left it there and did not come
to terms. Why you know, use your motherfucker power by Sorry,
it's been a pleasure having you. Yeah, it's been really
lovely being he was letting it breathe. It's a transformative episode.
(55:16):
Where where can people find you? Zara comedian dot com,
z a h r a comedian dot com, clothing store
fashion and minus the slave labor? Child your comedy doesn't
utilize any slave slave labor? You can say that? Am
(55:36):
I apologizing? Yeah, I've got your question. Can you actually
promise that your comedy child slave labor? Wait a minute,
Oh no, Actually, you know what I've been doing comedy
since I was protecting my mom from hate crimes as
a kid. Damn bring it to your dog being like, yeah,
(56:02):
I'm out miles. Where can people find you. Oh, you
can find me on Twitter and Instagram at miles of Ray. Uh.
And also you know z Gang if you playing the
Division two. I just started a clan, just searched night Gang.
But we are here. I'm only like level fifteen, so
you're gonna have to carry me. And a tweet that
I like is from Yadoya Travis, who is a comedian
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in New York. Uh. And having to do no, this
is good. This is all part of the energy of
the ship and having to do with Kurt Cobain's debt.
He tweeted, damn Kurt Cobain never saw Lion King. Oh
ship lion myan King came out in June of Yeah,
fuck me up tweet I've been enjoying. Chris Black tweeted
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Lena Dunham got the words sick tattooed on the back
of her neck like she is a wakeboarder from Arizona.
And then Joseph k Bitten Tongue tweeted how many different
Joker movies are they making? Uh? Because it's real edge
lord ship uh. And then Billboard tweeted stream at Little
nas X and at Billy ray Cyrus new remix of
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Hello the Internet, and welcome to season seventy seven, episode
one of Daily's eight Guy podcast. Let me take a
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a whole of the Dodgers sight gags walk who whoa
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at just t dz a ks for that one. But
also I didn't forget everybody else who has been hit
me with shimmy yah aks over the years. Shout out
also to at Tera Non Firma for you did one too,
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and also at Dabi wan g. You are all seen
and heard, But I mean those that one, that one
took the kid came. Yeah, it's the one of two
songs I know how to play on the kids. It
is found that key and just hitting ote down for them. Yeah,
not too bad. We are thrilled to be joined in
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their third seat by the hilarious and talented comedian, writer,
actor and co host of the Good Muslims That Muslim podcast,
Zara nor Box. How are you? Oh my god, I'm
so excited to be here. Yes, we're so excited to
have you. This is my first recording after surgery. Surgery, Yes, yeah,
(02:05):
I noticed, Yes, you showed us. You have a bit
of a little scar. They split my throat. Many the
hope of medical professional and not a street gang. What
if it was a street gang that happened to be
a yeah, a thyroid issue. Yeah, so okay, So I
had a rogue nodule in my thyroid that was like
(02:27):
giving me like what I thought was like depression and anxiety,
but it was really just like jitters from like a
hyper thyroid and fatigue from a high poth thyroid just
up and down and uh it turned out to be
my thyroid the whole time, which was like kind of
nice to find out and then really scary because then
(02:47):
they were like, actually, it could be a really aggressive
strain of cancer. And then I was like, but I
had a year of TED Talks helping me, supporting me
through a period of time where I thought I had
depression and didn't know what was up. Just stand in
the Superman pose the whole time. I start post and
I just held that space of uncertainty until they told
(03:07):
me pre cancerous noddle, no further surgery necessary. Yeah, he
dropped out of here. You want to hear the best
part though, Yes, if I do have to get treatment
ever in my life, you have to take radio active iodine,
which means that I would be a nuclear Iranians the
(03:39):
most earned woman of mass destruction. Plutonium yellow cake for
your birthday. All right, Sorry, we're going to get to
know you even better in a moment, but first we're
going to tell our listeners a couple of the things
we're talking about today Friday. It was years since Kurt
Cobain died, and that made me feel old as years five. What.
(04:05):
So we're just gonna talk about that for like a minute,
and we're gonna talk about Game of Thrones, uh, and
how just like they are treating this like it's space jam,
Like there's so many endorsement deals and endorsement products, and
we're gonna just kind of compare that to other things,
other things that haven't done that. I think I haven't
heard of space jam reference in the same amount of
(04:27):
time I haven't heard about Kurt Cobain. I think, yeah,
right on, that's what you come here for, you exactly.
We're gonna talk about Trump's tax returns and whether we're
ever going to see them. Joseph Bidens d he do
apology for you being creeped out. He was sorry if
you were creeped I'm sorry you were weirded out, but
(04:48):
I'm not sorry for anything because whatever. He's never been
sorry specifically put that out there. We're gonna talk about
Herman Kane, who will be running maybe hopefully not what
the stock market thinks about the next election. Uh. Aunt
Becky Beyonce. We're gonna touch them all, but first we'd
(05:08):
like to ask, yeah, just all the subjects, all the
no Biden, no Biden, Nobiden, no Biden, no Biden. Uh Zara,
what is something from your search history that's revealing about
who you are? Oh? Crap, Okay, I just looked up
duck tails that one. Yeah, man, what are you thinking
(05:29):
about it myself? A mystery or rewrite history? I've been Yeah,
I've been working on my comedy specials debuting June. It's
called on Behalf of All Muslims a comedy special. Okay,
I feel like we need one. Uh, And you don't
say one of my hero is Scrooge McDuck. When I
was a kid, I just wanted to be him, and
(05:50):
I like had my mom like so many costumes. Yeah,
not for Halloween, just because oh ship, like you were
costplaying through life at Scrooge McDuck almost. I mean, okay, listen,
he wasn't immigrant, he had an accent. Was yeah, he
was selfish and I was, and he just used his
money to go on adventures and I was like, yes,
(06:10):
this is my man, right right? But then I like,
for the show, I had to do all this research
how he actually made that money, right, it's very dark,
it is. There are there are some early Scrooge McDuck
comics where he is in Africa, legit in Africa doing
some like real imperialist, crazy funked up stuff. Yeah. It
(06:33):
was a deep hole like Rhodesia type ship. Yeah yeah, yeah,
it's bad. Man. Hey he came around, man, But I mean,
what billionaire doesn't have many dark dark And that makes sense.
That's why you say, might solve a mystery or just
this money on the up and up? Man. No, no slavery,
(06:56):
no conflict, diamonds, no, nothing like that. Right. Wait, who
made early Scrooge McDuck origin cartoons around? Yeah? Yeah, And
actually early Scrooge McDuck comics are incredibly influential, Like they
were some of the first, like Donald Duck comics and
Scrooge McDuck that universe was like they think that the
(07:18):
design of those characters influenced manga and like a lot
of that ship like and there's also like the shot
from Raiders where he's running away from the boulder that
first appeared in an early Scrooge McDuck comic. Like they
they really they were inventing shit out here. Okay, shout
out why I used to run a website where that's
(07:41):
all we did was dig into I forgot about that history. Alright, wait,
and I'm sorry with the like the subplot or you know,
Africa exploitation ship, was that like meant to be a
commentary is just more like accepted because of the time,
And they're like, and that's that guy. He's rich and
you know he he's doing. He's just I think it
(08:01):
was like a wacky, wacky adventure to Africa storyline. Okay,
like that that we're saying. He's like he's like the
de Beers Diamond Company or right, right, But I don't
know it was. I think I believe, if my memory serves,
it was a bit problematic. Okay, hit us with some
deep cut duck tails ship duck All right, what is
(08:22):
something you think is overhearrated? Overrated? Oh my god, this
is really unpopular. Okay, I've never told this to anybody. Oh,
this is the space to do that. I don't know,
you guys, I don't know. Okay, that's fine, we'll find it.
I think we're both about to find out who each
other are. Queer ey, oh, the new queer eye. See
(08:44):
what happened? Well, what I mean. I haven't watched the
new season. Watch you said save space Space. To be honest,
I'm like, okay, I mean it's, you know, like any
show I don't really, especially TV, Like I don't give
a fucking people. I'm not as militant about TV. I'm
(09:05):
star posing. Yeah you are, and I feel your power
and I'm backed down. What do you think about? It
is overrated? Okay, it's liberal porn? Oh got you? You
mean in that sense? Like the first episode of the
third season, right like they're going into like quote unquote
backcountry where they're like, you know, the mindsets supposed to
be conservative and like they love guns and blah blah blah,
(09:28):
and then they like change her mind and everything, and
it just felt like, oh, okay, if I was like
a moderate liberal, then I'd be like, see, if we do,
I'll just meet each other and we change each other's
clothes and we change each other's progressive wish fulfillment fantasy exactly.
And I just was like, I don't know, you guys, Yeah,
well I think yeah. I think for you being an
(09:48):
activist too, do you see a lot more nuanced than
simply having these like you know what you know where
it comes from. It's from being a feminist, Muslim, Iranian,
American bisexual comedian dealing with liberal audiences that whenever I'm
on stage, they expect that I'm going to articulate for
them all of my difference, transform our relationship, and then
(10:11):
we'll all walk away, you know, empirically better humans, exactly exactly,
And I'm like, I would also like to talk about
dicks and farts and birds and ships and tits and
clips ranked rank those all right now and there after
you feel like they're the like yeah, you say it's
(10:33):
sister T tell us about Trump right like that, right, yeah,
exactly right, where the audience congratulates themselves for laughing at
a joke from someone who's different than them, it means
I'm actually not problematic. Like one thing I will give
Jonathan van Ness on Instagram, he's been documenting how he's
like learning how to figure skate amazing from someone who
(10:56):
would look like I like you, I used to play hockey,
so I can tell when somebody very uncomfortable on skates
that was him. And he's slowly making progress. It's almost
like he's just being like, I've always want to be
a fair skater kind of his best life. Yeah. Yeah,
And you're not saying the people who are on the
show or overrated or anything. You're just saying that maybe
the overall structure and its role that it serves in
(11:17):
people's lives a little exactly. I love it. Yeah, I haven't.
They just went to They just went to Capitol Hill
and like that was That's where I can't because they're
with AOC and I was like, oh, there we go.
They're really being like if you're on the left, we're
all in baby jonath Vandess is working heels in the
halls of the Capitol building. I just got to talk
(11:39):
to them once nell see the errors of their ways. Okay,
do we have another question for me? Because I want
for you guys to Yeah, what is something you think
is underrated? Um, I'm gonna say motivational videos? Right, especially
after you're talking about what you've been through. Yeah. I
watched these motivational videos and I like Ray Lewis and
(12:01):
Eric Thomas and Les Brown Damn ray Lewis, huh yeah,
kind of amazing. Yeah, think can get you out of
a murder charge? Rated? Yeah? Yo, man, I mean that
is the ship m ob mind of her body? Okay?
(12:22):
Is this like montage that opens with like the Game
of Throne soundtrack and just athletic failure, just like shot
for shot of athlete like NBA all starts sobbing people
like marathon runners crying and collapsing, and then Eric Thomas
is like, when the messenger of misery comes for you,
what will you say to keep you in the game? Damn?
(12:45):
And I'm like, all right, let's go, let's make some coffee,
open my inbox. I'm ready. Come on, ray Lewis, Let's
throw that suit away. Isn't that what he did? Like
he went into a limousine with a suit that had
all sorts of murder evidence all over it and then vanished.
(13:05):
What's that video called? You're talking about power though? I mean,
that's why people are like, are you ready for this title?
Asterisk best motivational video of all times? Asterisk god bless
you YouTube, God bless YouTube. We're gonna have to definitely
(13:26):
put that in the footnotes as motivational video of all time?
And what is a myth? What's something people think is
true you know to be false? Uh that if we
just can learn about each other, then we'll find out
we're all the same and everything will be better. Yeah,
it's not. It's also so far from accurate, so far
(13:51):
from accurate, Like the more like we're the whole point
of the states of the United States is that we
were like, we have irreconcilable differences, and then here's like
a contract to keep us all together right right, and
that that's cohabitation. So what do you how do you
see or do you see that that sort of you know,
(14:12):
phrase or whatever idea is addressing a problem that isn't
solvable in that sense or where what? How would you
read jigger that message? Uh, I don't like you, you
don't like me, and we live next door right right.
We gotta hug, but you don't gotta throw, you know,
fire bombs at each other. We don't even gotta huge
(14:34):
I'm saying, we don't have to, yeah, disrespect each other's face.
I'm like, you do do you? How about this? Do you? Yeah?
And I'm not gonna worry about you. You You don't have
to worry about me. But you know what we have
in common a love of infrastructure and social welfare, having
clean drinking water. It's like it's like less libertarian a
little bit more like, we both understand that there is
(14:56):
a need for speed limits. Let's meet each other, right,
the DMV. Let's give that more funding. Let's raise those salaries. Right.
She's like, I don't know about you, Zoro, but I
like to wait at the d m V. Exactly. You know,
here's another way. Here's another way to not wait around
at the DMV. Build another d m V, d m
vs for every city two three, four, there are no lines. Okay,
(15:20):
you know what I'm saying. Post office is not Amazon.
How about that. See, that's what I'm saying. Sexy running
on that platform of more post offices, more d m vs,
post office on every corner. That's what I'm gonna say.
I'm gonna say whenever someone is like, we're just like you,
You're just like me. We're all the same, and be
like cool, infrastructure, let's bring into infrastructure, It's like, yeah,
(15:41):
we're just like each other, like in the same basic things,
like we have the same desires for security and you know,
companionship with those kinds of things. But than that, yeah,
you know what. Actually, I'm having a revelatory moment right
after a year of like motivational speeches to get me
through what was just the thyroid disaster. I'm realizing that
it is less about will power and more about the
structures they keep it together. Yeah yeah, yeah, my blood.
(16:06):
We gotta we gotta get you on like a speaking
tour now. I'm ready. Yeah, put your black turtleneck on,
bring me Holmes it all the way. Let me hear
that deep Holmes voice. So what I think is that's
pretty good. I'm here. You can all get behind d
(16:27):
m B. Maybe build a couple more. Yeah, she's good.
Just one drop of blood for d m B s.
I like that she made her little blood factory thing
look like a little tiny factory. That was a good touch,
except like in that Ho documentary when you saw much
of a disaster was inside. Oh my god, that was amazing,
(16:49):
Like we're dealing with like pathogens and stuff, blood flying.
My favorite part was how all these old white guys
were like, I don't understand how she got by us.
She was so caress math right. I think it's because
she didn't blink and she like just sort of was
really good at playing this part that people took like
the visual information when this person is smart. She was attractive. Yeah,
(17:10):
good for her. I mean look, I forget. There are
so many people on Twitter who were like tweeting Ship
like no woman of color could get away with her that. Okay, listen,
do you know the meanings I've had when I tried
to pull like any amount of rink Zara, you're too
tall and you're too loud, right, and nobody likes you.
(17:30):
I'll tall, are you five nine? But everyone thinks that
I'm like six ten because I'm a big energy and
your energy and you watch those motivational videos got too much?
You say you had a question for us? Uh I did? Alright,
Well I remember it. I did. Okay, I've been thinking
(17:51):
a lot about gender binary. I'll come to conclusion, a
placeholder conclusion that I'm testing right now. I believe that
there is a binary fart positive fart chame, Oh Ship,
are you famb baby? Really? Yeah? Of course you are. Yeah,
you're like a fart high five. No. Like, it's totally
(18:16):
context based, isn't it. See you're my man? Okay, That's
what I'm saying, is like, I don't know the other
side of it. Maybe there isn't a binary? Is a fluid? Yeah?
I think it's fluid because like because now we're like
really thinking about I'm like, yeah, because don't be fartner,
don't just fart up in anywhere, pick your shots because
(18:39):
we do. I guess there is something because it's my
mom is far positive. She will always high five ay fart,
that's like my mom too, My mom, Yo, it's so funny.
I don't tell me, tell me. She likes a good fart, okay.
And on both sides of my family, we fart from
my maternal grandparents into my paternal grandparents. Farts are like
(19:02):
the language, and they're from Japan. A powerful fart coming
from a petite person is very funny. Based on my
little Japanese mom who's like five one, and even my
grandfather from Chicago, like, the farts are the same and
the love for farts to say, and she used to
yell at me, my mom. So she loves the fart
so much that if she feels one, even if she's
yelling at me, we'll just rip one. She's like, she's like,
(19:26):
you know, not need done out, Like she's like in Japanese,
like what the fun do you just say to me
type ship and then be like and like and then
we just start laughing. And I keep telling the kid.
I was like, Yo, you just lost all your steam
right there because you decided to just fart it up
and now we're all laughing. So she's like and then
(19:46):
she laughs, she laughs too, because then I'm like, well, then,
how much I think you're angry. I think that's her
way of like getting away from being mean mom or something. Right,
But she doesn't fart all the time. But you know, uh,
with my mom, I mean, my family was My family
was very far positive. Okay, yeah, like it was. It
(20:07):
wasn't celebrate, no high fives, but just also no attempt
to shield each other from our from our farts. What
about for the women in the family specifically, Yeah, I
think they just let it go. Just let it go. Yeah,
because it wasn't a thing where like no, jack, we
don't poop right because people like that, I'm like, that's
door open, door open. I mean that's pretty standard for
(20:28):
a family. Right, didn't have a door, right, we had
we had no door, and we had a camera that
was live his party. Yeah, my mom was far positive.
High five even if it was a silent but deadly
Oh wow, Yeah, she would like high five. You wouldn't
know why you were getting a hut like everyone else.
(20:49):
And then you would just be like She's like, buckle up, baby, girls.
She would be like, oh that's everything inside of you
was wrong. Good job, give me, give me an make
me so mad because I was like, all fart shame, Yeah,
oh you are you are not fart posy. I take
after my dad. My dad was like, don't talk about it.
(21:09):
I don't want to talk. Friends like that too, who
don't want you want to talk about it. People who
are married and they're like you don't. He's like, no,
I don't like. I don't like like, we don't like
to hear each other fart. Are married. The guests like
the fart, the gas, like the gas, yeah, what fart? Yeah,
nothing happened. Oh you smell something that's weird. Once you
have a kid, you get very like it's hilarious when
(21:32):
your kids starts farting and like realizes he's farting, and
like and it's into it and like it's a dog
trying to fight his own ass when they farmed up.
Videos are adorable, Yeah, but poop lose a lot of
it shame once you Once you have a kid, Great,
all right, we're gonna take a quick break, We'll be
right back, and we're back. And it's been twenty five years.
(22:05):
It's twenty five years since Kurt Cobain died. Uh is
not how the rest of that song? Yeah, So I
was just trying to think of like two kids today,
what what is Kurt Cobain's death? And I was realizing
it's like, at the very least, like how like Hendrix
(22:27):
seemed to me when I was a kid like that,
it's like that long ago, or like Janis Joplin or
like the Doors or you know, like JFK. Five years
after JFK's death. Was it was like not four yeah,
and not giving a fun and even like yeah, I
guess yeah. To me, it's just thinking of like, you know,
(22:48):
me being a ten year old when that happened or
was it ninety nine, right, and then thinking of like
someone's like little sibling who was just born that day,
like that's a baby, that thing, and who haven't seen
in years ago? You know that that person is now Wait,
that's Kurt Cobain's death distance twenty five years. I don't
know all of these things to say that we always
have reminders that we are dying and life is transient
(23:14):
than God, do you guys still wonder about part and
what happened? Aren't there like documentaries? I haven't seen like
much of the documentaries because there's so many that I'm like,
I don't know, did they what? Everyone's a lot of
people say Corney Love did it? Yeah or something? Yeah,
what do you say? Let's sayest thy jack? Uh, I
(23:35):
just gave mine categorically you think she did it? No,
I don't. Yeah, I don't either. I think because you
just went yeah the way I said, people think she
didn't the way you said. Yes, I thought you said.
You know one of those people that's like almost the
default conclusion online is like, oh, yeah, she murdered him.
Like people just want to believe that ship because it's
kind of a more interesting version of reality. But yeah,
(23:57):
I mean they had a very like toxic, violatile relationship
and but but I don't think she like ordered a
hit on. Yeah, that's what I'm just like, I'm just
not even interested in like trying to figure that out.
Like if it was a murderer, I'd hope the police
are figuring that out. And yeah, if just you know,
just let his terrible guitar playing live on in eternity. Dude,
(24:18):
there is like people canna give me here for that.
I'm telling you. Technically he was not a good guitar player.
I am, I wrong. Yeah, just like the superducer nick stuff.
He just goes, I don't care a ship, dude. But
that was his sts, you know what I mean. He
was kurt, you know, that was his vibe. So you know,
hopefully in the I still ride for the Unplugged. Uh,
(24:40):
they die, don't go to heaven. We're in the angels ground.
Oh that takes me back to the fourth of July.
That's great anyway alone, Junior high, let's talk about Game
of Thrones. Yes, it's coming, it's coming. Are you a fan?
I am. I hate that I'm a fan, but I am.
I think like most people, I'm a self floating fan.
I'm just I'm more of the person who, as I
(25:01):
say all the time, I just need the sweet release
of this ending so I can move on with my
life and just know how it ends and figure out
where they were taking this the whole time. But so
you didn't read the leaked no, no, no, and I don't.
I don't have enough. I didn't read the books. I
just took it as a show that was on that
I will watch. I don't engage much even on like
fan boards where people like go to town trying to
figure out what's going on. This reminds me of when
people talk about smoking. What do you mean, I'm not
(25:24):
really a smoker. I just smoke with like friends, right, yeah, right,
we've all seen social smoking smoking watching. So Game of Thrones, though,
is heading into this last season just kicking the fuck up.
They are like, there's oreos, as we talked about it
on the past episode. Now there's like a secret Game
(25:45):
of Thrones shake check menu, damn um. And it's just
it's a weird look for like critically acclaimed. Yeah, they're
just going full bro murder fuck fest type, like you
know this is like hard friendly ship. Yeah, that's not
kid friendly ship. That's that's right, right, And they're like, yeah,
don't you want oreos for your kids to eat? On
(26:07):
the show about the the little boy who caught the
brother and sister having sex and was pushed out a
window and became a cripple. Yeah, I was saying right,
I was saying earlier though, like think about if, like
heading into the last season of Sopranos. They had like
Polly Walnuts Oreos and Christopher Oreos and everything white blue
Raspberry blowpops heading in the last season right Breaking Bad.
(26:31):
It's like it's just very they're treating it like it's
an action franchise or like something like that or a
Disney movie. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like usually
like you see these kind of product integration things for
like brands that are broad enough or like you know, intellectual.
Probably it's broad enough that it won't like put people off.
But I guess maybe it's probably testament just to the
phenomenon that is the show where everyone is trying to
(26:53):
be like hop in on this, because when even the
shake shack thing is absurd, the right updated is so
just overly elaborate. So first of all, it's only available
at the I think Madison Square Park location uh in
New York. So look, New York is getting there. You
go go go get it, but you have to they
said you could you order in Valerian. Okay, So the
(27:15):
Drekarisburger Dracaro Parclapos features a double Monterey Jack cheeseburger search
from the finest head of cattle. The Seven Kingdoms has
to offer, griddled by the fires of Dragon and Regal.
The burger is then top to the fiery shack sauce
created French herbs and spices from the conquered cities of Unheimrin.
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And I'm like, yo, you want slave talking about conquered cities.
And also, like the food in that universe is like real,
like dirty, and like, yeah, you just eat like a
leg of a horse and some wine. Figure about food
in the Game of Thrones universe makes me think of
two things. One is dorn because they were all about
their food and and the other is that like father
(27:59):
and son starved, right, you know, like that's we didn't
have enough. Yeah. Other than that, it's just meat and ship.
This is like the opposite of like, Okay, so I
have this joke about how like, you know, liberals, liberal
white people always like to think about how like food
trucks solve racism, right, and we just eat each other's
food then we can get along. This is like the
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exact polar opposite. This is like eat each other's eat food,
conquer con yes, murder pillage food from the vanquish. Yeah,
and then like just even the shake, it's just a shake,
but It's like custard is frozen with packed snow harvest
with cocks snow harvested beyond the wall and hand churned
(28:40):
by members of the Night's Watch. It's like, no, bro,
it's someone being underpaid by a starving student who has
a you know, their their job, trying to make in
his meat, not to hand churned by the Knight's Watch.
But hey, he's a man of the Night's Watch, right
and then his watch. What happens to the women who
are turning it to uh? But then you look at
everything that's like it goes like this. This started seemed
(29:01):
like parody to me. They have a Deda's ultra booth sneakers,
which is just like they're trying to jump on the
hype beasts like thing like and then Mountain Dew which
play that. Okay, we have a clip this. This is
what's really absurd there. It was like a celebrity Laden
is dwelling beads Dale Earnhardt Jr. Motherfucking me goos uh
and they're all singing the Game of Throne song. But
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it's just so cringe e. It's just like a black
backdrop and people are just like do do do do here,
let's listen to this clip. Oh mountain, hold on, hold on,
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take off looks so high in this ship too, and
they're wearing the most ornate ship, like just checked out
getting that check. I mean, look, credit to me goes,
get the fucking just secure the bag and get the
funk out. And then there's even Johnny Walker Resky Johnny
Walker like that seems I guess. Yeah, well, you guys
do the rest of the show. Just keep talking. I'm
(30:17):
just going to be here in the background, dude, mountain
mountain dew, mountain dew. Al Right, well you know what
I mean, Hey, what you gotta do? They got me,
you know, I'm addicted. So let's talk tax returns coming
up from that time a year. Yeah, well, yeah, there's that,
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But then also you know the mirage and the desert
that is, will we ever see those tax returns of
the president, And you know, like that was the thing
that I think lightened people's spirits on the left. When
the Democrats took the House in the midterms. You're like, Okay,
well maybe we can start getting these tax returns from
the I R s. But it's April now, and everybody's like,
(30:58):
what the funk is going on because I think people
are not satisfied with the William Barr's MULA report. So
now they're talking tax returns. But the reason after like
reading a lot of articles about this, there's just like
a legal arms race happening between the House Democrats and
the White House. So on one hand, you have the Democrats,
where essentially Nancy Pelosi is like bringing in a lot
(31:21):
of like legal counsel to be like the House uh,
you know legal counsel. Uh. And these are people who
have like proven track records on trying to like prove
cases using like a legislative record, and that's essentially what
they're going to do because they realize it is going
to be a massive legal battle because you know, Trump
obviously doesn't want to share those things, and he's gonna,
you know, figure out ways to obstruct people's ability or
(31:43):
impede people's ability to see the tax returns. So they realize, okay,
this is a slow game here. We're gonna have to
like enter things into the record, and so we can
really when we have to go to court, we have
an actual legal case that says, I don't care what
weird argument they're using. This is the facts, jack, uh,
and give us the damn tax returns. So on the
Trump side is mounting up another way because they're basically
(32:06):
just packing the I R S with just his cronies. So,
for example, there was on the New York Times was
reporting that he was begging Mitch McConnell to fast track
the confirmation of this of Trump's pick to be the
I R S is like head legal counsel. Uh. This
man named Michael Desmond, And that's weird. I wonder what
connection they have. Well, Michael Desmond is was a one
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time Trump tax lawyer. Uh. And he was also a
colleague of William Nelson and Sherry Dillon, who are Trump's
like longtime tax lawyers, and those are the people who
like affort he won the election. He's like, I'm putting
my business in a blind trust and I just had
that like vague stack of papers. Those are the people
behind that ship. So their their friend is now being
(32:50):
the pick to be confirmed as the I R S
is chief lawyer because he's gonna be the person to
argue against turning over the tax And he was basically
asking Mitch McConnell to priorties this even over William Barr's
confirmation to be the head of d o J to
be a g so he gets He's like, oh, yeah,
that's that spy. What do we think we're going to
(33:11):
see in the tax returns? Just like his exposure to
like maybe like where where all that cash is coming from? Yeah?
Or like if there's any business dealings that do involve
any you know, Russian entities, other properties he may own
that we didn't know he owned. You know, this is
there's just a lot you were taking his word on everything, Okay?
I like, and also the fraud he's probably committing. I
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have a question, could we like, can you explain this
to me in relation to Bill Clinton and his com stain? Right? Yeah,
so it all goes back, yeah, Like is this really
that hard? I mean, come, we impeached a man over
a com stain on a gap dress. I feel like
we could do a tax return not before turning that
investigation into a FOE best seller, right number one New
(33:55):
York Times best seller, like the day after it was
turned in. I mean, if that is that what we need,
let's fast track this ship. Like, let's just and even
then because it's not just this LRD. The commissioner of
the I R S is also a Trump crony and
like before he got his gig, wrote a column at
four was being like Trump shouldn't release his taxes. Of
course cut to you being the commissioner of the I
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R S. So you know you have people who are
like finding every weird whack legal argument to just stall it,
to take it to court, because the I R S
really doesn't have a good legal argument against it aside
from when they're going to have to concoct and then
arguing court, which is why Democrats are trying to get
ahead of it and be like Okay, well let's try.
And it's just you know what, this is a classic,
Like we are now in season six of Fraser and
(34:38):
season seven of Friends? Is that what happened will Ross
and Rachel get together? Daphne and Niles finally get together?
Well they find will Daphne find out? Will Trump and
his tax returns ever be exposed? It's like it's another
romantic love plot subplot and hopefully Marcel the monkey from
(35:00):
Outbreak will also make it. Did I feel like an
episode of Friends? I was very confused as a kid. Yes,
and I know there there's another you know track that
people are saying, you know, we could go this direction
to which is you know Trump has always said, but
I can't release the textis terms, I'm under audit. I'm
under aut it. So and like the lawyers who did
this big cool stack of papers show at the beginning
(35:20):
of seventeen, they were also like, uh, it's been like
in a perpetual state of audit for the last ten years.
So they're saying, like, why don't we just pull up
to the I R S and say is it under audit?
And then maybe just remove that defense first and maybe
get somebody on Wax at the I R S to
determine that, because there's like a lot of ways to
make this move forward. Yeah, and I think I'm sure
(35:41):
they're all thinking of it. So it's just like the
most boring fucking chess game of all time. Yeah, I mean,
welcome to a government infrastructure that looks like Iran's. Yeah,
and like last time you were here, a lot of destabilization,
That's what I'm saying. It's just mydina dad got a
second term. A lot of people didn't remember voting for them,
but that happened, right, So, like I don't know I'm
(36:03):
on the the like, you know, will he get reelected?
Is like probably because I know how the storyline goes, right.
I think I've seen this pattern before. The stock market
is was pulled. The people who run the stock market
or you know, investors were pulled and are saying that
they are gambling. Uh of them are gambling that he
(36:28):
is going to be re elected. What do you mean that?
He's like, they're they're they're putting money. They're putting down No,
not no, not on Vegas, like just in terms of
how they structure their investment. But there is like what
you just said, the way that they structure their investments,
like this should be illegal. You should not be allowed
to short sell on your country, right, which is essentially
what anybody who's making money off of the presidency is doing. Right. Um,
(36:53):
and Joe Biden Joseph Biden real briefly said sorry you
felt that way. I'm not sorry for anything. Ever. Yeah,
he had like a public speaking thing and he kind
of made a joke about it up there, and then
afterwards he for the first time face journalists being like, uh, hi,
(37:13):
we have a question about these people saying you are
touchy in the wrong fucking way. Oh je, have you
not heard about this? Okay, good, I can let me
get you up to speed. So a lot of people, uh,
In the last week are about three or four people
have come out to talk about their experiences with Joe
Biden just you know, he's just a touchy dude. He's
like he's like, you know, hugging women from the back
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and like whispringing their ear, and people like it's just weird,
you know, like and a lot of them are like,
just to be clear, I'm not saying he assaulted me
in any way, but I was made uncomfortable by his
invasion of my personal space. So he's been dealing with
this like quote unbook scandal, but basically being people asking, hi, Joe,
you know every there's many photos of you sort of
looking like you don't give a funk about people's personal space.
(37:56):
Do you care to comment on that? At first he
was just like, you know, I I really like social
norms are changing and I will do better, was the
first thing. But people like, why don't you say you're sorry?
Can you can you? Can you articulate that rather than
just sort of defending yourself, I mean, like a times
changing man times, The Times are wrong, not me. And
then so he had this moment afterwards because a lot
(38:17):
of people, like his critics and people who are even
on the Democratic strategy side, is saying like he should
just like be like, yeah, look, I'm sorry, I'm invading
people's space. I won't do it anymore. But he's been
doing everything except that. So this is him answering a
question about it. Do you think least I'm gonna in
direct apology who have come fluence? Oh? Well, look, I
the fact of the matter is I made it clear
(38:38):
that if I made you want to feel comfortable, I
feel badly about that. There was never my intention, ever, ever, ever,
But there's someone who want to go directly. I am sorry.
Are you sorry for the way that you made? I'm
sorry I didn't understand. I'm not sorry for any of
my intentions. I'm not sorry for anything that I've ever done.
(38:59):
I've never been disrespectful or intentionally to a man or
a woman. Um, you know, it's sets not the reputation
has since I was in high school, for God's sake.
So that's not the reputation I've had since I was
in high school. Anyways. Uh, also, at a speech on Friday.
I believe he hugged the guy Lonnie Stevenson, who was
(39:22):
introducing him, and then his opening line, or one of
his early in speech, he said, I just want you
to know I had permission to hug Lonnie, and the
line drew applause and laughter from the crowd. Moving on
right later, during another point during his speech, when there
were children on stage, he put his arm around a
young boy and said, by the way, he gave me
(39:44):
permission to touch him, So it's like he's now ever
doing it make a point that people are like to touchy,
demanding you know what, you know what, you know what.
I'm gonna inhabit the throne and make a declarative statement
as patriarch in this moment. I'm done with apologies. I'm
(40:06):
done with apologies. I wish the left, the progressive, the
intersectional body on behalf of the intersectional body. Let's stop
asking for apologies. It's such a red herring, and it's like,
excuse the conversation, and all of a sudden, the conversation
becomes about these like minor missteps and intent instead of
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establishing new norms, and like it sucks to hear this
because I feel like, and given I've been under a rock,
it sucks to hear all this like play out because
I feel like I hear I'm saying, you know, there
are new norms and I and I want us to
like jump on that and be like, yes, there are,
here's how it goes, and here's what we do now,
(40:47):
just being so focused on an apology exactly and instead
because everyone's giving pity face and being like, but are
you gonna say sorry? Though that that of course sets
him up Like as a pr person, I'm like, yes,
you are setting up a messaging route that is going
to be like so, then now he's always going to
check in to make sure it's okay and does he
(41:08):
need to make an apology? And is that what we're about? No,
we're about action. It's supposed to move this way. But
are we typified and stereotyped as snowflakes that Carolina Bill
feelings and being patronizing, which I have like an acute
ear for as a woman, Like that's the direction it's taking.
It's sort of like we're eating the bait that they're
(41:30):
the crap bait that they're handing us. That's a good point.
That's a really good point that like the follow up
there would have been like, Okay, describe what those new
norms are and how what are you going to do?
What can other men like you who might not have
been familiar with them, what can you do to like,
what are some board some you know, guidelines that you
can follow. Let's let's define this. But arguments like well,
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I've been doing this for years, right, I think the
argument I'm making is like what you're saying about how
it's less about him and more about like, what's our
goal here? If we're making the same moment for people
to be focused on, what are we focusing on? Yeah? Well,
and he did say that in his video, thing about
saying like and I realized that, I'm that's not cool,
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and I'll be very careful to not be considerative people's
personal space going forward or whatever. So I mean, he
articulated that, but I think it's when he gets defensive
about it then you almost feel like, but did you
do are you really like embracing like what you're saying
in that sense? I mean, I imagine he has to
be careful to like, I don't want to turn into
an apologist, but like I wonder how much he has
(42:35):
to be cautious as a public figure, as a person
on committees, who also has to be aware of what
he opens himself up to in terms of a legal battle,
right And it's like, you know, we can't assume that
they are all good people, you know, like people like
that's tricky, that's careful space that has to be I
don't know, does that make sense? Wait, what do you mean?
(42:56):
And what did you mean by in terms of like legality,
there's a language that if he opens himself up to,
then isn't that then slippery slope because he's articulated some
kind of apology that could be constrained as an admission
of guilt exactly, And then people who are not cool
could jump in on that and then create a real problem.
(43:20):
Right well, I think again no one has actually ever
accused him of anything criminal. So that's where it's like, yeah,
and I think most people saw like even what he
was doing is like you're just doing that ship where
you don't get that like motherfucker's don't want it to
be fucking you know, touch and do stuff like that
and like and that's like not a single person said
(43:40):
it was assaulter anyway, they're just like, yeah, he's got
a problem with personal space. There was a journalist at
the Washington Pubs like, yeah, he fucking grabbed me by
the shoulders and like put his face up against minds
Like I didn't like it. Yeah, and he's gonna dig that.
I dig that conversation. I did the conversation that's like, hey, Biden,
you're a clothes talker. It's really right, and that's what
it's turning into. And I think, but then it's starting
to play out of sort of like what's wrong with everything? Yeah,
(44:03):
And it's like that's that stuff is so hard to
articulate to men without like it getting super awkward, right,
And I think for him, if he apologizes in his
mind or something, he's admitting to doing something far worse,
probably probably the thing that I was worried about. But
I mean, I don't know. I don't give an example,
like when you say that sort of thing is so
hard to articulate to men, like what do you mean
(44:24):
by that? Well? Okay, So for for example, for example,
there like there was a guy that I used to
interview with and like his favorite thing was to like
greet me, take my hand, kiss, me on both cheeks
and put his arm around my shoulder and pull me in.
And I hated it, but like I he was clearly
(44:45):
making an attempt to like, you know, work with whatever
insecurity that he has around, like social, like being social
with a woman and come over here, and these things
were making him feel powerful somehow, so that he was
like appear with me and like, but I didn't like
any of it. But the easier thing to do is
to just like smile and be like huh yeah, okay,
(45:06):
and we'll sit down. You know, It's much harder to
be like, don't you don't kiss me on the cheek, man,
because then like you have a whole big conversation that's like,
well what do you mean? I didn't mean anything, but
you know, and it like immediately escalates. So then at
least when you know, you have like a Biden conversation
like this, you can de escalate it somehow and be like, look,
(45:30):
it's just one of those kinds of moments where it's
like you're you're being a clothes talker right now. I
don't love it so much. It's like, you know, I
don't like that a lot. I don't like that a
whole lot, like and it's like it's so difficult to
articulate because it's you know, Amy Schumer made that joke
about grape right, Like there's that gray area that there's
(45:53):
like different microaggressive versions of sexual assaults, just as there
are you know, like and how do you have those
conversations without it escalating into like super awkwardness because and
then take care of the women who are actually articulating them,
because the whole reason why we put up with them
is to not have those conversations so we can remain
(46:13):
appear right ship, Yeah, well I think, yeah, I think
because again, even like Joe, like the defensiveness is like
I think I'm being accused of something like way worse
than what it is when it's not just sort of
being seen as as just a practical matter of personal
space that like people are sort of I don't know,
it seems the way the response has been from even
(46:34):
the people who defend him, they act like he's being
accused of something much greater than what it is. And
even then there's no nuance in their mind about like
what a discussion of personal spaces. It's like it's it's
a viola? Is it a violation of personal space or
is this some just terrible transgression, right, And I think
people aren't able to sort of pass through that, or
(46:55):
at least his defenders aren't, because they really are going
to bat for him, like he's been accused of like
being a serial molester or something like that. How do
you guys navigate that kind of space? I I mean,
as I move more in my professional life, I don't
I read whatever the person is giving me. So if
someone comes up to me that I'm meeting for the
(47:15):
first time, if they open their arms for like to
like they're a hugger or something, then oh no, no,
I start or but usually I just offer a hand
like a handshake because I just keep it like that,
and I'm not I'm I'm also personally like I'm just
I don't want to make other people feel uncomfortable. And
I also don't have like a desire to just be
(47:36):
hugging people all the time either, So I'm fine, I'm
just like, hey, good. But I'm also very open to
you know, hearing anything about like, you know, my own
privilege as a man or whatever understanding like oh yeah,
I also know being a man. You don't hear ship
like that a lot of time for the precise reason
you're talking about it, because people would rather not have
(47:57):
that discussion. But I try and be as open as
possible because I don't want to be the type of
dude who someone can bring that up to. And I'm like,
what the are you talking about? Right? I mean, there's
no need for me to be defensive, because at a
base level, I'm like, you know, there's always it to learn.
There's allays ship. I'm not perceiving. There's all ship I
haven't learned. I'm here to learn. And I don't know
what to do with my hands when I'm not interacting
(48:19):
with people, So I don't know. I gotta funk with
trying to do it with my hand. Okay, a lot
of sweats, sir. All Right, we got to take a
quick break. We'll be right back and her back and
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Old Town Road is the greatest work of American art
of the last decade. End of story. Yeah you moving
on when I came in this, Yeah, the song is
fucking it's under my skin man, now that you've had
in a good way a little time to sit with it,
yeah you got And even the remix works for me. Well,
(49:05):
the remix is really here. In Billy ray Cyrus his
haunting old voice, it for a second sounds like, oh,
let me just let me just give y'all, let's just
give a little taste of this one. Yeah, I'm take
my horse through the town road. I'm gonna run. Yeah,
(49:28):
you get that cowboy happen. That's rights in them. Okay,
So zorry don't know in your under rocknus that you were.
You may not have heard about Little Nazas, who's a
rapper who whose original song was him singing that part
uh And it was like a country trap song that
(49:49):
blew up. It got on the country Billboard charts, and
then Billboard pulled it because it was quote unquote not
country enough, and everyone's like, what the funk are y'all
trying to say? I mean, we know what you're trying
to say, but like, what the fuck? And it's a
lot of people came out to defend it, and then
Billy ray Cyrus was like, you know what, man, let's
do a remixe and and I have Billboard tell us
(50:09):
that this ship ain't country now and that was like
the remix and like, yeah, there's something. There's an elevation there.
I think we're here. It's just so basic. But it's
like Billy Ray Cyrus is a genius of Basicnessuh. It
just like he's the perfect person to match with just
the this stripped down to its bare roots. Uh, silly,
(50:33):
It's gonna be funny. I I hope it's like just
a torch song that people are just gonna be. Like
if you're like in a you know, like leaving a
concert and someone just starts singing it, everyone just hops in. Yeah, Jude, Yeah,
I take my time. Yeah, man, start crying and ship
the people. Yeah. Anyway, so that babies are gonna be
(50:54):
conceived to that song, it's gonna be wedding people's wedding
songs twenty five years from now. You're gonna be in
reviewing a perspective. No employee would be like, what's your name?
Said Little nos X? Okay, hey just listen to know it.
I'm pregnant. But yeah, it's a convergence of you know,
obviously trapping country, but then you've got like the yeehaw
(51:15):
agenda and black fashion. I guess Little nos X was
just before this, had like a meme account that was,
you know, very popular, and then got banned and it's
just very I don't know, it's got it's got a
lot of ship kids, you know what I mean. This
dude is uh, you gotta respect what he's doing. Uh,
(51:37):
let's talk about Aunt Becky real quickly. Okay. So Aunt
Becky did uh Becky, which, by the way, I was
culture was the last culture Esta And someone said, you know,
he had never watched Full House and he thought Aunt
Becky was just a mean name. We were calling this
white lady like just calling her Becky over here. Anyway,
(52:02):
So the daughter of Aunt Becky and Massimo most nineties
should ever Olivia Jade, who was caught up in this
mess because she went to USC because they said she
was doing crew anyway, she's kicked out. She was an
Instagram influencer, like beauty influencer, and she like lost her
like Sephora deal and all these other things for you know,
committing fraud or her parents. And now in US magazine
(52:22):
is reporting that Olivia just blames her fucking parents for it,
and she's so messed up, says quote. Olivia was passionate
about her career. Now everything she built has imploded before
her eyes. She feels they ruined everything. She's not talking
to her parents right now, and she feels she is
the victim. Olivia blames her mom and dad for this
scandal and for the downfall of her career. You know what,
(52:43):
Luckily you are in a class of human beings where
you don't need a college degree to survive. So, uh,
you know, maybe you can. We can find figure something
else out for you to do, but don't tear your
family down. Don't tell you. But I mean, who's to know.
I have a feeling she knew because based on all
these reports about this uh investigation, most of the kids
(53:04):
did know. But I do feel like, just based on
her social media presence, every step of this was extremely
reluctant and like the documents where you have, I think
it was Auntbecky like emailing USC being like we're just
having trouble, like getting the application form done. Oh yeah, yeah.
It's just like she she was not about that academic life.
(53:28):
Where is she in the sibling lineup? What? Why? What's
your what's your theory on that? The oldest kid, I'm
an oldest kid. We are like, give me the hand out,
let's go, let's do this. What do you got? And
then the ones that come after you are like, you know,
I can do this myself. I don't care about I'm
the second kid, but doesn't matter. I can fight like
(53:50):
a first kid. I don't need help. I don't need
handopps because she's saying like, why did you give me
hand as? I could have done it on my own right,
But I think hers is like if you guys didn't
fucking just break the rules. I used to have my
influencer deals. It's really what it was. What how I
translate that quote is like I don't have a Saphori deal, mom. Yeah,
(54:13):
and that's and then I hear a door slam. So
you know what learned from Kylie? Yeah, that's rough made,
self made, self made, and self paid. And also very quickly,
Beyonce she signed with Adidas. I'm sure everybody heard, but
there was just an anecdote according to Nick to Paula,
who is like a shoe guy now working for ESPN,
he had the t because Beyonce was being coarded by
(54:33):
I think under Armor, everybody, even Jordan's, and she ultimately
landed it with Adidas. Okay, good for you all, but
she really had a problem with Reebok. Okay, So quote
she had a meeting at Reebok and they had a
whole presentation of everything, potential products, how this could all look.
And she kind of took a step back and said,
is this the team that will be working on my product?
Somebody said yes, and she said, nobody in this room
(54:56):
reflects my background, my skin color, and where I'm from
and what I want to do. So she took a
step back and left it there and did not come
to terms. Why you know, use your motherfucker power by Sorry,
it's been a pleasure having you. Yeah, it's been really
lovely being he was letting it breathe. It's a transformative episode.
(55:16):
Where where can people find you? Zara comedian dot com,
z a h r a comedian dot com, clothing store
fashion and minus the slave labor? Child your comedy doesn't
utilize any slave slave labor? You can say that? Am
(55:36):
I apologizing? Yeah, I've got your question. Can you actually
promise that your comedy child slave labor? Wait a minute,
Oh no, Actually, you know what I've been doing comedy
since I was protecting my mom from hate crimes as
a kid. Damn bring it to your dog being like, yeah,
(56:02):
I'm out miles. Where can people find you. Oh, you
can find me on Twitter and Instagram at miles of Ray. Uh.
And also you know z Gang if you playing the
Division two. I just started a clan, just searched night Gang.
But we are here. I'm only like level fifteen, so
you're gonna have to carry me. And a tweet that
I like is from Yadoya Travis, who is a comedian
(56:22):
in New York. Uh. And having to do no, this
is good. This is all part of the energy of
the ship and having to do with Kurt Cobain's debt.
He tweeted, damn Kurt Cobain never saw Lion King. Oh
ship lion myan King came out in June of Yeah,
fuck me up tweet I've been enjoying. Chris Black tweeted
(56:47):
Lena Dunham got the words sick tattooed on the back
of her neck like she is a wakeboarder from Arizona.
And then Joseph k Bitten Tongue tweeted how many different
Joker movies are they making? Uh? Because it's real edge
lord ship uh. And then Billboard tweeted stream at Little
nas X and at Billy ray Cyrus new remix of
(57:09):
old Town Road on Billboard. Marshall Bellski tweeted when the
girl who bullied you in high school comments congrats and
three hearts. Uh. You can follow me on Twitter, Jack
Underscore O'Brien. You can follow us on Twitter at daily
z Eygeist for at the Daily z Eutegeist on Instagram.
We have Facebook, fampage and a website daily dot Com
where we posted our episodes in our foot note where
(57:31):
we link off to the information that we talked about
in today's episode, as well as the song we write
out on second, I think you're gonna leave to the song,
and that's the Old Town Road Remax featuring Miley ray
Cyrus's dead music legend, Miley ray Cyrus is dead, all right,
We are gonna ride out on that. We will be
(57:51):
back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast and we
will talk to you guys. Then hat down Crosstown Living
lock a rock star, spin a lot of money on
my brand new get guitar. It's gotta have a diamond
rings and pendy sports brawls, riding down rod till when
my mom's Roddy sports car. God knows just I've been
through all that. I'm like my broom and so I
(58:15):
keep coming back. Wish I could roll longer to that
old town road. I wanna ride till I came down.
I'm gonna take my horse to the town room.
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