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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season forty seven, Episode
three of The Daily Night Geist for Wednesday, September five,
two eight teen. My name's Jack O'Brien aka I am
Jack Jack o'bry. What the hell am I sweating there?
Sweat don't belong there? Oh oh hey, that was court

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to see a Leonard Little on Twitter at t Blunderbuster.
And I'm thrilled to be joined once again by my
co host, Mr Miles Great because all Miles need is
a great defense because I'm feeling like a Zeygeist boy
and I need to be redeemed. And I would just

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I miss Field album. I really love that video too. Yeah,
her last album was pretty good. I can't tell you
the name of it because is it is very long.
It was like seven years the last one that I
was paying attention enough to know that she released. But

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I think it might have been her last one and
it had along And that's why they trust us this
information because we are on the cultural cutting edge. Hey,
we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
the writer, post and actor who co hosts the Maximum
Pump podcast, Go Back Yourself, Please welcome, Jack, Keith Van Stratton,

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song intro? Not you have one? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I
can come something. Are they supposed to be song parodies?
I'm Jake Keith, Jake Keith Fant. That's the only And
you can tell that was amazing because I didn't pronounce
my second tea. Yes, exactly, good job strat strike Keith. Yeah.

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Represent Wow, this is what people tune into the show
for the accents. Yes, it's accent. Yeah. Uh. Well, we're
thrilled to have you back, and we're gonna get to
know you a little bit better in a moment. But
first we're gonna tell our listeners what we're gonna be
talking about today. We're gonna be talking about, of course,
the Colin Kaepernick Nike controversy, whereas Miles calls it controversy controversy. Uh,

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We're gonna be talking about thirty eight upping the Democrats
chance of taking the House to four and five. Last
week it was three and four, so something changed in
the polling. Five and six. We're gonna talk Brett Kavanaugh. Herrings.
They're happening, and you know, it's just been wild up
in there, but I don't know that anything is being accomplished.

(02:50):
We'll talk about whether it is. We're gonna talk about
the new book by Bob What Word Fear. It is
the latest just engine of amazinges from people who work
within the Trump White House. We're gonna talk about at Jack,
not me, at Jack from Twitter, Jack Dorsey, who has
overruled a staff decision to d platform Alex Jones. We're

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getting more details on that. We're gonna talk about the
racist robocoll in Florida. The fact that crazy Rich Asians
is still out here just dropped another ten percent only
at the box office week over week, which is crazy.
That just doesn't happen usually it's like forty two fifty. Anyways,
we're gonna talk about that as a cultural phenomena. We're

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gonna talk about a museum that had tons of huge
cultural artifacts that just went up in flames over the
weekend in Brazil. We're gonna talk about the New Yorker
Festival announcing and then probably canceling their interview with Bannon.
And finally, another right wing cultural outrage freak out, this

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one over a movie that comes out in October that
doesn't show Neil Armstrong. Actually fuck the moon with the
American flag. That moon. Yeah, it shows the American flag.
It's amazing, and you don't see the fucking right it
doesn't like show insertion because that yeah, there's no penetration

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shot anyways, Jack Keith the Mooney shot shot. I'm gonna go, hey, top,
what is something from your search history that is revealing
about who you are? I recently searched for Charlotte Theater
because I'm going to Charlotte next weekend and I like
to see theater. Not many results, it turns out not

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a lot of theater in Charlotte, North Carolina. If you're
listening to Charlotte and you know of some theater or
anything else to do while I'm there next weekend, please
tweet me. They're showing The Lion King. Oh nice, that's
about it. Okay, that's about it right now. I feel
like everyone's seen The Lion King. Yeah anyone? Yes, yes,
the Broadway the musical. I mean, I'm not high flute

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and I don't go to the theater. Guys. I like,
I like, I like some culture. Like like travel a lot,
and I like to see theater when I travel as well.
And I'm actually the reason it's a little revealing about
me is because the reason that I'm going to Charlotte
is purely for the mileage. Yes, I need to a
certain threshold of mileage on a certain airline by the
end of this year. And there was a very good
deal to Charlotte. Think it was like a hundred bucks
or something around trail. And so that's the only reason

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that I'm going. And then I'm gonna try to make
a weekend. They have food, right, they have internet. Trying
to keep that one case status, Yeah, exactly, well, not
not quite one case. I'll take my platinum Zeke Gang.
Let him know what's good in Charlotte. Find me a drink. Yeah,
there you go. Well, any de Franco was playing there,
so I might might, I might go see her, although
they only have standing room seats. When I was when

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I was looking, and I'm too old to stand at
a concert. I'm too old, I realized, I'm I'm now
as far as concerts go, I'm too old to sit
on a sidewalk to wait for tickets, which I guess
you don't even have to do anymore back in my day,
and you know, wait till ticket Master. Now you can
just pay something. And I'm and I'm too old to
stand at a concert. Yeah, and you'll get crushed in
that h that's right, that Franco heads. You just get

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one of those canes that acts as a stool a
lot of you know what. I actually have one that
was my grandmother's in my garage. But it weighs. It
weighs like thirty pounds, So yeah, I don't like. It's
kind of a little bit that was before like alloys,
so it's just like it was just like wrought iron.
But maybe maybe I will, but I but again, I
think the only worst thing than standing at a concert
is sitting at a concert where everybody else is standing.

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So I don't know if that's gonna work out. But
somebody listening has to be able to hook a brother up.
Yeah they will. Where can they find you? Just on Twitter?
Just in charge, somebody who doesn't at Jay Underscore Keith
j Underscore, you're also going to learn that at the end,
But just in case you if you don't listen all
the way to the end. This man needs to know
some chart. They're probably people burning right now. They've been like,
I'm gonna just do it right now. If you're North Carolina,

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is I can pause right now and you give that's right.
NASCAR is off that week the Panthers are playing. But
I realized I've not watched NFL football on TV and
fear so I don't know financially need to go in person,
but yeah, I would go. I'm not any sporting event
for free, but you know again, invite me. Hooked me up?
I mean, how how bad a guy could I be?
I'm going to Charlotte. My first instinct was to see

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what theater was playing, and I'm interested in seeing any
different hang out with me. Guys, would you go to
like a high school theater? It depends what it is.
If it's a yeah, sure, why not. I will see
There's a there's a musical called Next to Normal that
I'm obsessed with, and I will literally see any production
Next to Normal that I can go to. I've gone
internationally to see. Next I went. I went to Toronto
to see the final night of the tour. I went

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to Buenos Aires to see a special reunion concert I recently.
You think that was something I went to see Me
Valley to see a productive Yeah, that was something I
didn't know, see Me Valley but actually just called Seem
Valley like I thought it was. You know, like every
valley has a valley and then their cities within the valley.
The whole place is just called Seem Valley. Yeah, that's
what I went to see Me Valley. Yes, it was

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a very it's very nice show. You are a well
traveled man. We're learning here. What is something you think
is overrated Veno? I do not. I do not understand
the big appeal with Venmo. I I have needs to
send and receive payments. I am able to do that
with PayPal, which I learned recently owns Venmo. I don't
know why they have to have a PayPal junior PayPal
for the millennials. You can do with the Square cash app.

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You can do now with zel on pretty much any
bank account. Cash also works. Yeah, Apple Pay, Android Pay.
There's so many things, and all of those except Venmo.
Keep your business private. Yeah, and I don't want to
know other people's business. They're like, hey, you don't want
to use an emoji? To tell people I hate they
bought your cialis. Again, I hate it, and uh and
I'm not crazy, but generally I'm not terribly opposed, especially

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sort of ironically for humor to use technology terms as
a verb, you know, to google something or too, I'll facebook.
People don't say that there's something there's something that does
rub me the wrong way. But why don't you Venmo?
Men doesn't It doesn't vend me. They should call it
vend mend me something. How about that you pay me?
How about there's your next app million dollar idea? Right yeah,

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yeah yeah. And also it takes a little It seems
to take longer to get your money or or from
Venmo than than other places. And then there's all sorts
of different fees and all that. And also, but more so,
it's it's completely superfluous. I got enough, I can believe me.
There's plenty ways to pay me, and I love receiving money.
Don't get me wrong. If anyone's listening and wants to
vend moo me money, I was gladly so. The social

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aspect of it is like people doing jokey explanations for
their payments, right, yeah, I only use emojis right to
describe anything. And I actually I never I seldom put
my activity like public right, like fuck you, And it's
always the egg plan emoji right, it's always square water
peach and the big tongue coming out. Well, this guy
loves vegetables. Am I right? What is something that's underage underrated?

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I'm going to say the post office or the general
the US Postal Service. I still think it is a
miracle that you can pay less than a dollar, put
an envelope in a box, and it will go anywhere
you want in the country. You can go across the street,
it can go to a know, very hard to get
to rural mountain location. It's a cliche, but you know, rain, sleet, snow,

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hail dogs, whatever their mottoism, they get it there. I
still think it's a miracle. And and also, what's the
what are you gonna do? You know, you're gonna pay
FedEx or ups thirty bucks, You're gonna gonna get on
a plane and bring your letters somewhere else? You you
the USPS gets a lot of ship from a lot
of people, and especially a lot of the current government folk.
But it's a miracle then a bad deal. It works
well they had a bad deal with Amazon. Yeah, I

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ripped us, that's right. They somehow agreed to be paid
to do a service. Yeah, yeah, somebody who somebody was
just talking about the idea that when you go out
to eat in America, you aren't scared that you're going
to you know, be sick for the next three days.
And that's a miracle of the government of government regulations,

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regulations exactly. But what's we completely take it for granted.
And I feel like the post offices absolutely, and also
they have agreements with post offices around the world to
get your letter even even further further. But we only
think about it. There's something about the where our brand
works that we all think about it when it sucks up. Absolutely,

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And I do think I've wanted it to learn this
from an economist at some point. But because I do
think they do charge too little, I would rather they
charge a dollar just move make it to a dollar
for for a regular stamp, and then use the money
to actually upgrade everything so that when something by the
time something shouldn't cost a dollar to send, they're ready
for it. And also and if it makes people send
fewer letters than fine, and then you prioritize BECAUSEFF gets

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there sooner there you go. But also they have this
new thing called i think it's called informed delivery. I've
got to say informed consent. That mean I do believe
that also was part of their policy where you can
actually they will actually scan your mail for you and
email it to you before it's delivered, so you know
what's coming. So especially if you have like a PO box,
or if you just or if you're out of town,
you want to know what mails arrived at your at
your home, they will they will scan the envelopes and

(11:54):
you'll see what mail is coming. So if you if
there's something important you need to you know, have a
neighbor pickup, or you gotta go get yourself. You know,
they're they're they're not just a delivering paper. I mean
they're there and they do that technology before, like right
before it gets to you. It might I'd be interested
if they did that like right when the mail got
put in the because like like Amazon delivers a package

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and they'll like send a picture of the box outside
of your door. Yeah or or no, I mean like
before like on the senders and like the second you
give it to them. Because so if it gets lost
you have or you could just say, you know what,
don't bother. I don't like that, right right? Uh? And finally,
what does a myth? What's something people think is true? This,
this will go back, will circle back to something I

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was talking about earlier. But I think there's a myth
that there's no theater or for general high culture in
Los Angeles, and I've lived here for over thirty years
and I think that's completely untrue. It is harder to find.
I mean, you know, obviously it's a cliche to compared
New York and l A. I think l A has
all the culture that New York has, you just have
to go look for it. So there's tons of great
small theaters. There's you know, obviously anything that's big and touring.

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We get either you know, the Pantageous or the taper
Amands and all that kind of stuff. But I think
people think like, oh, it's just actors showcases, you know,
soap opera actors doing stuff for agents. I'm sure there's
some of that, but there's good legitimate theater both uh,
and a lot of stuff that that originated here as well,
and especially if you expand beyond theater you're looking at art.
We've got you know, the broad now is I think

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a jewel of the place. You got your you know,
everything downtown with it, Disney Hall, Lack, Mimoka and all that.
There's a lot of great art and real culture. And
then yes, plenty of crap, plenty of shows crap and
teach charities and all that stuff. But I think there's
really interesting. Oh my god, of course. Yeah, no, you're
off Broadway. Yeahs um yeah. I've read old articles from

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the New York Times in the New York or at
the l A culture scene, but recently they've like updated
that been like remember when we used to be able
to laugh at l A and now they're like cooler
than us. Everybody moves out there. But but really interesting
stuff there. Shout out a couple of theaters. The Bootleg
does great stuff as a place called the Rogue Machine Theater.
Always just really interesting original works and it's out there

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if you guys want to see it, folks, and what's
cheaper than in New York. I've never seen a production
at the Bootleg. Only music the Bootleg. Yeah, yeah, it's
a great space. They do really interesting I think I'm
doing a storytelling show sometime next month we'll find out.
All right, very cool and one of the most organic
plugs we've ever gotten on this show. I mean, I

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don't know. Maybe maybe you can you established yourself as
like pro culture, pro l a culture. He likes that. Maybe, yeah,
I mean, or maybe you're just a simple person with
baste taste, which is also welcome at my show. If
you go to the bootleg though, too. There's an amazing
taco truck on the corner, just like walking distance on

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the block. So another reason. So yeah, uh so big
story from over the weekend. Colin Kaepernick is now the
face of the thirtieth anniversary of the Just Do It Campaign.
We were all all on the edge of our seat
being like, who are they going to choose for this campaign? No, no,

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we were not. I didn't know that it was the
thirtieth anniversary. I guess I didn't know. But you know,
it's cool that they're siding with Colin Kaepernick instead of
the evil NFL owners who are you know who pay
them to make all of the uniforms right team? Yeah,
that's kind of cool. They are still a you know,

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giant corporation that has all sorts of problematic things going on.
But you know, in terms of taking aside in the
cultural war, I think it's been fun to see the
response from the right man, so many people, so unpredictable.
I never never would thought they would burn their shoes, right, uh, yeah,

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after they burned their other Nike equipment. I feel like
Nike when they were like burning their Nike NFL jerseys
was like, all right, motherfucker's you've started a fight. I
guess what, asshole, We just real to deal with the
NFL for eight more case old jerseys from like the
early two thousands. So yeah, I mean Fox News was

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not happy. Tucker Carlson is describing this as an attack
against America, and I think we have audio. It's pretty decadent, actually,
I think. I mean, first of all, it's factually ludicrous.
You can't give up everything and maintain a Nike contract.
But the decadent part isn't even really about Colin Kaepernick.
He's an athlete at a young guy. You know, I

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would give him a pass. Actually, on a lot of this,
it's the executives profiting from him and his attacks on
the United States while simultaneously denying that they are attacks
on the United States. So they're saying, you know, he
raised the issue of racial discrimination in this country, so
if it's never been raised before, or as if you know,
the historical problems with that aren't obvious to every single American.

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Of course they are. This is an attack on the country.
So it would be very different if he were saying
I'm protesting this politician or this policy, or this specific
person this specific thing did. But sitting during the national
anthem is a way of making a broad based, generalized
and therefore impossible to rebut attack against the country that

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made him and Nike rich. And again, there's something really
definitive about that. When the most successful people in your
society hate the society, you've got a real problem. It's
a metaphor for our entire ruling class, many of whom
feel that way. They hate and resent the very system
that made their prosperity, their success possible. It's a huge
problem for all of us. The the amount of work

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there he's doing to contort himself so that his position
of siding with NFL owners is the like is him
sticking up for the underdog? Is amazing. Boy, they do
not like when black people have opinions. Huh, I mean
this is they called is a fucking attack on America.

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He's exercising he is right to bring awareness to systemic races.
You have to be willfully ignorant, which I would not
put past anyone there to not know what he's protest,
like to say that there's no there, there's nothing, there's
no topic, or yes, there's not a specific person, Yes
there's not a specific whatever, it's a politician. But it's
so clear that there's a cause. Whether you agree with
it or not, whether you want to attend to it

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or not, there's a cause. How do you not see that? Well,
that's the only way they can avoid talking about it
is by saying, well, I don't want to engage him
on the basis of him bringing up, you know, the
violence towards people of color from police or whatever. That
is just like, well, because it is attack the troops.
It's just his country, right, Like just be like, if
you're really gonna look like some sane person or be

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a social critic, why don't you then engage him on
the idea of what And I know it's not the
biggest point, but the fact that he said he's sitting
during the national anthem where it's so obviously he's kneeling
because you know, because he chose to kneel based on talking,
you know, with with someone in the armed forces, so
that was more respectable. Is again it's willfully ignorant. It's
it's it's trying, it's ignoring any any truth of of

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the issue. And but but I have to say, there
is something that doesn't quite feel right. There's something there
does seem something a little bit exploitative that I that
I guess I would agree with a little bit. Uh
that like, yes, it's certainly better than saying you know,
pro NFL or pro you know, or or or going
with this whole you know, he's disrespecting the America or

(19:27):
the troop could have shown J. J. Watt like putting
his hand over his heart like during the national anthem
and made that the face of their thirty it's not
a bad guy. Sorry, I don't mean to imply that. Yeah,
but there is something that does feel a little weird
of co opting a cause, you know, And but but
you know, Nike has done this before, and other big
companies do this all the time, and again, you'd rather
have it be on the what we think is the

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correct side of the issue or not. The answered all
those questions with what corporations are going to do is
always for profits, so that like it is more profitable.
So on one hand, I totally see it's like, okay,
nice as you're doing, but also that it's better to
be on the right side, and especially when it's actually
a real issue. It's not like, you know, after nine
eleven and Budweiser, you know, running you know, ads with
the American flags and supporting the troops and all that.

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I mean, you know, it's it is something that obviously
is gonna get a big response. But but on the
other hand, it's like this also means that Colin Kaepernick
is getting paid, which well, it's not being paid for
making for for making football for what do you go
up with the sports in the running making making football plays?
He did not finish my sentence. Uh, it's not for
playing football, like he is being paid for being an
athlete and an activist. And you know that I'd rather

(20:33):
have that happen than not happen. And uh again I
think it will put it back in the conversation. Uh,
but obviously, yes, of course, of course this was not
an uncalculated move where they you know, they figured all
the free publicity are getting. I mean, how much usually
would you charge Nike to to have a discussion this
long on your podcast, right? I mean that's billions right there,
one exactly, all the free publicity that they're getting. You know,

(20:55):
they're they're they're no dummies over there, right. Yeah. I
was just gonna say, I mean, the fact that they
made this decision, you know, their motives were probably purely
profit related, but the fact that they looked at the
issue and said, Okay, this is what's going to make
us the most money, I do think is a sign

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that at least the right side is winning, because I mean,
they wouldn't do that without doing tons and tons of
market research. And you know, they looked at the people
who are going to be behind this decision. They looked
at the people who are going to cut their socks up.
That guy who cut his socks up, that'll learn them

(21:36):
what the funk was he cutting? At a point on
Want Cat, the guy was saying like, yeah, because walking
with jaggedass socks isn't gonna leave someone a go, Hey,
what happened in your socks? And they'll be like, oh,
you know Nike because blah blah blah. It's like you're
you're already inviting more discussion about names from as. I
kind of feel bad for the for the sock cutters though,
I mean, you know, they are pretty powerless, Like what

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can you do as a consumer? Were like, let's let's
say let's say you do legit imminently, you know, believe
that that issue. It's like, your your kind of powerless.
What are you gonna do? You start a hashtag pig socks,
which is the most confusing hashtag. Well, there's this other
thing to remember, like when Curig pulled their advertising on
certain Fox shows, or like we're throwing our Curig machines
out and people are saying like, if you really want

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to suck them over, take your item and then sell that.
So then you are getting the profits from that by
destroying something, they've already collected your money, right, and that
you're not doing anything, and that means someone is less
likely to buy a new one because I buy that one.
But there is a myth on the right that the
right is trying desperately to perpetrate that, you know, going
against their beliefs. Going against conservative what supremacist politics is

(22:42):
dangerous for businesses, and you know, they are focused on.
One of the headlines on Drudge this weekend was NFL
ratings expected to go down again this year, which would
have been true whether or not there was this controversy
because NFL ratings, along with all TV ratings, have been
going down pretty steadily on average, Like when you look

(23:04):
at the mean, they've all been going down because more
and more things are on streaming and uh, you know,
you can play video games. There's just all sorts of
reasons TV ratings are going down, but they want to
focus on that because you know, we'll talk a little
bit later. But they are the smaller group in a

(23:24):
cultural landscape where they're having to, you know, do a
lot of work and a lot of contorting to make
themselves seem a relevant and important and you know, like
they are the underdog. I guess, yeah, always the victim,
always the victim. Um, well, you know who might not
be the underdog is that this fall some Democrats. Yeah,

(23:48):
and that's what we call the Gray pivot. And uh no,
we were just talking about. I know that NBC and
the Washington Post just put out a poll that has
Democrats up fourteen points on the generic ballot, which is
pretty big. But you know, let's everyone just go vote
and you know, contribute to a campaign anyway. You can
go canvas, go for She's saying that we just can't

(24:10):
take for granted what a poll says. Yeah, I'm literally
gonna be like walking people to the fucking like, I
don't care even though this race is a lock. You
have to get out there, do not take anything for granted.
And it's still not a lock. Five thirty eight now
has adjusted their you know calculation, taking all of them,
like that poll and all other polls into account. They

(24:30):
still have it as four in five, So that's they've
gone from three and four. So seventy five to eight percent.
That's still you know, one in five, still election five
times and somebody the wrong person wins once. That's that's
not nothing, guys. Yeah that's still huge. So uh, it's
still important. I think it's still not high enough, but

(24:51):
I don't think you're going to get to the place
that a lot of people thought the Trump election was.
Like the day of the election, five thirty eight had
it at three and four. So this is currently more
tilted towards Democrats than thought the Clinton Trump race was.
But it's still a pretty significant chance that the Democrats

(25:12):
don't win. And the odds at that time were the
same about the Cubs winning the World Series. The Cubs,
we're supposed to win the World Series and they did,
so just keep that in mind. It can happen, Yes,
it can't happen. Well, yeah, the thing is. The Cook
Political Report also nudged a few races to slightly favored
Democrats and some Senate races, which is also kind of
big because they were looking at sort of just Trump

(25:32):
has lost the most ground since his inauguration in Arizona, Florida,
North Dakota, Wisconsin, in Michigan, and so you know, there
are a couple of reasons like, oh this maybe this
can be this might lean democratic now or likely be democratic,
or going from solidly republic into only leaning Republicans. So
I mean, they're I don't think there's a high chance

(25:53):
of the Senate going to the Democrats, but still, you
know a good sign that there's momentum moving in one direction.
But again, poles, Poles don't decide elections. Voting does. And
also someone tweeted a thing about how like better or Rourke,
They're like, Oh, at his town hall, three hund people
showed up at this one, five people showed up at
this one. At his like grassroots headquarters to do canvasing,
zero people showed up. So that's the thing, you know.

(26:15):
I know it's fun to go and feel the energy
of a campaign or whatever, but really use your interest
to translate that into doing something for the CAMPAI said
that because I actually been thinking about that. I am
going to go to Texas and do some canvasing. Oh nice, Yeah, yeah,
I gotta see how many more more miles I need.
Did you like do that putting thing that that one
dude did? No, no, no, that was long gone by that,
But I have done similar. You are making the system

(26:36):
work for you, exam, and I appreciate that. That's what
I do. All Right, We're gonna take a quick break.
We'll be right back, and we're back. And the Kavanaugh
hearings are currently taking place this morning. There was were

(27:00):
wating this on Tuesday. This morning, there was a lot
of people protesting and screaming and disrupting things, and the
headline was like chaos at Kavanaugh hearing. But the Republicans
are completely in charge, and the chairman is like, yeah,
we're gonna stay here as long as it takes. We're
going to get this done. It really seems we had

(27:20):
talked in the past about the fact that Kavanaugh is
historically unpopular. He's less popular than previous Supreme Court nominees
who didn't get confirmed. But that doesn't change the fact
that the Republicans are going to vote straight down party lines.
I think a lot of people were counting on Susan
Collins to vote against him because of the risk to

(27:43):
a woman's right to choose, and it has come out
that he was on a list that Susan Collins preapproved
of Supreme Court nominee, so she's already like she's just
that's a foregone conclusion. Yeah, that's why today was a
lot of theatrics and not much of anything of so ebstance,
aside from you know, suddenly like people like Corey Booker
and Kamala Harris like they were saying great stuff, Sheldon

(28:06):
white House that they were getting they were getting campaign footage.
I mean, they're getting campaign commercial and it's just standing
up to Republicans in the impotence that they're in right,
and at this point it's too little, too late. And
I was reading a few things people had a point of,
like if they really felt this whole thing was a
joke because it was just a sham from the beginning,
and that senators weren't able to review the entirety of

(28:28):
like the government documents that Breck have not had a
hand in or touched during his time with the White House.
That yeah, this thing was just it's just a foregone conclusion.
It doesn't even matter what we do. Then leave, then
don't be in there. Let the Republicans be in there.
I think they can show something more because other than this,
this is just a lot of empty calories. I'm not
I get that the stalling and the grandstanding has an effect,

(28:49):
but I don't see how this is going to lead
to anything other than him likely being confirmed as a supreence.
I don't think it will change anything anything in terms of, yeah,
the confirmation, but I don't know about the optics of
actually not showing up. I feel like that's that's easy
for an opponent to say, you know, you've got to participate,
even if you know in a primary, maybe to say
you know, I would stay in fight. I'm not going

(29:09):
to give up on my constituents or something. Yeah, I
mean I'm not. I'm not just giving, But this gives
an appearance there is no fight though. This is only
the appearance of a fight, right And and I think
that's disingenuous to even present this entire confirmation process as
anything but a thing that was scammed from by the
Republicans to obscure whatever his documentary. I think all that's terrible.

(29:32):
But I don't know. I think there's something to be
said for going on the record. Make you make a statement,
it gets on the record. Uh, the Kavina makes a
dumb decision later and you can say, look, I said
that on the record that now and then just be like, well,
that doesn't matter, because it's just a shame. Because you
can even hear the amount of protesters that were screaming
during that hearing, that people understand what the stakes are

(29:53):
like and how the way that you know he's likely
to vote on very important decisions is it's frightening to
the people so much that they have shown up and
they're raising their voices and you can really tell that
there's just this deep fear about as companies will just
do their tactic of losing in lower courts and just
appealing all the way up to the Supreme Court to
get their you know, final decision from their protectors in

(30:15):
the Supreme Court. It's just yeah, I don't know. It
was a very eerie sort of thing where you could
hear these people screaming and there it was. It was
like echoing and yeah, and it was like there you
could just hear their existential dread like from a lot
of things they were doing. But you gotta take that,
you know, further up the pipeline. It's like, you gotta
that's why elections matter. Yeah, that's exactly right. You gotta
work for you gotta work to get the people elected

(30:36):
who are gonna challenge that and or not nominate people
like that in the first place. Yeah. I mean, there's
been an unprecedented breakdown in the decorum from the Republican
side in terms of just being like, yeah, that's not
how this works anymore. We don't give a ship what
you say, and we're going to steamroll through this. And
that's why we're able to say, even though this guy
is unpopular and unprecedented, way, he's still going to get

(30:58):
through and I do feel like maybe this is a
chance for the Democrats to dramatize that breakdown and decorum
from their side on the floor as opposed to sitting
it out, and maybe also like rally the troops. But
as long as they're acknowledging, you know, this is on us,
like we fucked up, We lost a bunch of elections.

(31:19):
We were not in the nuclear option on the filibuster
for this because we don't we I I just don't
want them to whatever they're doing to disrupt this process,
and I think they should be doing unprecedented things to
disrupt it because it is an unprecedented you know, fuck
you from the Republican side. But they still need to

(31:40):
acknowledge that, like by playing by the rules, the Republicans
sort of beat them. It would be nice if at
least one Republican said, I acknowledge that there are people
who don't like this, and you know, let's give them
a chance. We didn't hear me started, you know what
I mean. So that's what I mean, Like there, it's
not even a fucking game. You know, they won a

(32:01):
game presupposes there are rules and this is just brute force,
like just fuckory you know, so it's hard to That's
why I like the tactics of when there are rules
in place can work at times. But we're looking at
something so so different, so beyond what's normal that like, Yeah,
I don't know, aside from just people trying to scream

(32:21):
and yell at their healthcare is at stake, or their
rights as being in the same sex marriages at steak
or whatever it is, reproductive rights. I wish we could
have done more. I wish I wish the Democrats could
have done more. But we're looking down the barrel of
a new Supreme Court justice in Breck Havita. So speaking
of things that aren't normal. So book fear By Woodward

(32:42):
is out Bob Woodward, and it's just full of mind
blowing details with regards to the Trump White House. So
let's just take a look at a couple. There are
so many there's just so much stuff in here. I'm
just gonna pull quotes from the Watch and Post article
because they were the ones who had access to the book,

(33:03):
because Woodward is obviously a Washington Post reporter. They talk
about Trump sitting down to a mock interview of like
what the questions Mueller would ask him and how he
would perform. So his lawyer, Dowd peppered Trump with questions
about the Russian investigation and kept provoking stumbles, contradictions, and
lies until the President eventually lost his cool shouted this

(33:26):
things that goddamn hoax, and at the start of a
thirty minute rant that finished with him saying, I don't
really want to testify, right. So the next part of that,
when they say that Jay Sekulo and John Dowd went
to Mueller's office to talk about like why they probably
don't want him to interview, is amazing because he's saying,

(33:46):
I'm not going to sit there and let him look
like an idiot. And you published that transcript because everything
leaks in Washington and the guy's overseas are going to
say I told you he was an idiot. I told
you was a goddamn dumbell. What are we dealing with
this idiot? For? John, I understand, Mueller replied, so like, no,
I mean, I get why you wouldn't want this guy,

(34:09):
but sorry, them's the rules. And Woodward is the guy
who brought down Nixon through Watergate and his investigation to Watergate,
so it's important Dick like this is somebody who has
some you know, frame of reference of like how a
corrupt and fucked up White House operates. So he also

(34:31):
there's a story about how John Kelly would frequently lose
his temper and told colleagues that he thought the president
was quote unhinged, and one small group meeting, Kelly said
of Trump, quote he's an idiot. It's pointless to try
to convince him of anything. He's gone off the rails.
We're in crazy town. I don't even know why any
of us are here. This is the worst job I've

(34:54):
ever had and end quote Wow. And just just to
be clear again, this isn't out like a taco bell
in Topeka, this is this is the White House, this
is this is John Kelly, Like, this is the worst job.
I hate it. Do you resign? Who care? I mean,
he's already took He's already shown himself to be a
disgrace too, So I don't think you know, John, go

(35:15):
do yourself a favor too, And why don't you resign
because it's not like you're the winner. Was like, oh,
he's the one holding it all together. Even I don't
know though, who the funk would come in and run things.
Dennis Rodman like, what would it look like like? We
would we all just be I don't know. I just
don't know who we want in that role, because it

(35:36):
has to be someone that Trump respects, anyone who would
want it. But it even sounds like John Kelly can't
even get him. So it's not like there's anyone actually
keeping it together. John Kelly's like he doesn't even live.
What's the fucking point. Yeah, No, he's being there anyway,
very frustrated. In terms of how Trump thinks about the
people around him, the book says that he does an

(35:58):
impression of General hr McMaster behind his back, puffing up
his chest and exaggerating his breathing as he impersonates him,
and he wants that McMaster dresses like a beer salesman
because he doesn't doesn't wear expensive suits. And he's called
Attorney General Jeff Sessions a trader, complained, everyone's trying to

(36:20):
get me, and also called Sessions quote mentally retarded. He said,
this guy is mentally retarded. He's this dumb Southerner. He
couldn't even be a one person country lawyer down in Alabama. Yeah,
and who picked him again for exactly the other thing
about Wilbur Ross, he said, like Trump, Trump told Commerce

(36:41):
Secretary Wilbur Ross, who actually looks like a person who's
rotting from greed inside. Uh, he said Trump, he's the
guy who lied to Forbes, right, Yeah, and who I
think we talked about. Yeah, how his lies about being
a billionaire to try and get the Forbes. Listen, he's
actually one of the biggest criminals in that administration, but
he's been so stealth about it. He's not like the
Scott pru with Ilk of just doing it out in

(37:01):
the open. Anyway, he told Wilbur Ross, who's like older
than him, goes, I don't trust you. I don't want
you doing any more negotiations, your past your prime, which
I think that makes sense. But again, these are the
people that you're the other people. The other amazing one
you said, read the one about Gary Cone like stealing
stuff off his desk. So okay, So Gary Cone has

(37:22):
basically because this dude is so you know, mentally not
there all the time. There was a thing he said,
according to Woodward, this is in the wetch Post thing
he said, quote stole a letter off Trump's desk, end
quote that the president was intending to sign to formally
withdraw the United States from a trade agreement with South Korea.
Cone later told an associate that he removed the letter
to protect national security and that Trump did not notice

(37:43):
that it was missing. And then CNN also report on
this more and from Cone, it said I stole it
off his desk. Cone told an associate, I wouldn't let
him see it, and he's never going to see that document.
Got to protect the country. So that's how we're doing.
It's just like you know, and the real the desk. Yeah,
here's an anecdote about why they might be worried about

(38:06):
national security with him in charge. The president wants fun
Defense Secretary James Maddis and said, let's fucking kill him.
After Syrian leader Bishar al Assad launched a chemical attack
on civilians, let's go in. Let's kill the fucking a
lot of them. Trump said, uh, and yeah, they were
like okay. So so that's not how this works. That's

(38:28):
against international law. Um. The way this was reported is
because he basically was granted interviews by people who were
familiar with the situation on the condition of what's called
deep background, which means that he can write what they
tell him he just couldn't reveal the particular sources. But

(38:49):
he he's like, this was a person who was there
and saw this. This is not like hearsay. This is
like direct reporting. I'm just not allowed to say all
anonymous sources were made up though, Yeah, be careful. So
whatever this anonymous sources that he needs to go to jail.
I don't know who this guy is. Can we go
back to the beer salesman thing? What does the how

(39:10):
does a beer salesman dress? And how would Donald Trump
know how would be a salesman dress? He doesn't drink,
he doesn't pay people. Yeah, profession like a door to
door because you think he's thinking of a time when
he's still engaged with the normal world. So like in
the sixties where their door to door beer imagining, like
one of those kids trying to raise money for like
they're like a softball field trip right right, Man, my

(39:33):
name is beer. This core is light. Yeah. We have
either Hershey's chocolate, giant pieces, whatever you want. Man, I'm
playing that beer. I'm buying that beer. Yeah. A lot
of these like sort of excerpts are jests, but also
Trump suits are terrible. Doesn't dress well, he doesn't. His
clothes aren't well tailor, has got these super long jackets
and still look terrible. He does seem to have a

(39:56):
double standard with regards to other people and himself. Sure,
I've noticed. I don't know, that's just trademark. One last
one about Ivanka, though, I bet I really like, is
that there's an interaction with her and Steve Banny. He goes,
you're a goddamn staffer. Abandon screamed at her, telling her
that she had to work through previous like the other aids.
Quote you walk around this place and act like you're

(40:17):
in charge and you're not. You're on staff end quote.
Ivanka Trump, who had special actually the president and worked
around previous, replied quote, I'm not a staffer. I'll never
be a staffer. I'm the first daughter. First daughter is
not a thing. That's a movie. Yeah, that's a movie
in which with sin Dad, I think the first kid,

(40:38):
the first kid falls in love with. Okay, first kid
is not the one I'm thinking, but he was also
first daughter or something where the premises that the first
daughter falls in love I think with a secret service agent.
I feel like Hillary needs to be involved somehow. I
was thinking Katie Holmes, but it could be you know,
Katie Holmes isn't first daughter a college of the group
of secret service agents. Samantha, however, resents their presence and

(41:02):
decides she wants to attend school just like a normal student.
So that's what she was trying to associate herself with.
She saw that movie and it was like, I'm sorry,
do you know who directed that movie? Uh? Forrest Whitaker.
Oh wow? What fuck? He was like, this is gonna
be my brave heart, this is gonna be my breakthrough.

(41:22):
What just and looking at like googling and it's like
director of Forest Whittaker. Yeah. This is my theory that
really great actors don't make good directors, because it's like
Michael Jordan coaching an NBA team. It's like he's just like, well,
why don't you just score? Right? Fucking score, idiot? And
whereas like people like Ben Affleck and Mel Gibson, who

(41:43):
aren't great actors but they know how to look good
in movies, end up being decent directors. And Clint Eastwood,
he's just like a handsome dude who like knows how
to like what angle to look at the camera with. Anyways,
we're going to take another quick break and we're going
to be right back, and we're back, and we'll get

(42:12):
some audio for a future episode. But there is a
recording that what we're made of a call he had
with Trump, where Trump was basically like, well, it's a
shame you didn't call me. Why don't you call me?
You should call me. I would have given you, like
all the information and all this. Yeah, I would have
corrected all this misinformation. You have so too bad you
probably can't print the book. Then, huh? And what where

(42:34):
we was like, No, I talked to you know, different
a bunch of different senators. He said, six different people
in the past couple of months. And he was like, oh, well,
I don't know who I don't know. Those people must
not know me. And he was like Kelly and Conway,
I talked to her twice like two months ago. And
he's like, oh, oh yeah, Lindsay Graham, Yeah, he said

(42:57):
he talked to you about talking to me, did he line?
He goes Synagram actually mentioned it quickly in one yes,
we'll see and then nothing happened. That is true, that's true,
Well that no, but that it's we do get a
head interview. In these recorded phone calls, you do get
a sense of him as a liar and him like
not being very good at it, like the Amarrossa call

(43:18):
where he was like, god, damn it, really, who did this? No? No, no,
And in this one where where he's just like, I
think it's pretty clear you're lying, and he's like, yeah,
I'm lying, I'm sorry, Okay, you got me all right.
On the cultural front, Crazy Rich Asians just hit ten
million domestically. It dropped just ten percent after dropping a

(43:41):
really small amount the previous weekend, so it is, Yeah,
it just continues to be a juggernaut, and it's pretty unprecedented.
The last time I remember a movie that had this
kind of hold for this many weeks is like the
First Hangover or something. Is that true? Also equally important
movie for you know, another Ken Jong vehicle. Yes, yeah, exactly,

(44:05):
the America Loves Ken John. But yeah, that's just still
crushing it, um right, and it said, yeah, it's uh
one of the top showings for a rom com. And
since the Sandra Bullock Ryan Reynolds classic The Proposal, which
earned a hundred sixty in two thousand nine in America,
this is essentially like having a Western that does this well,
because like rom coms within the film industry were like, oh,

(44:29):
those are dead, Like you can make them and put
them on Netflix and you'll like make your money back
because they'll make four million and you just spent two
million on them. But this is just out of nowhere.
The fun was the proposal even about I mean, I
feel like as a concept, I remember it, but I
came for the life of me be like, oh, yeah,
the proposal was Sandra Bullock and I believe he was

(44:50):
her assistant or somehow work in the company, and then
she had to pretend that she was either engaged in
order to not get hassled by her family, and so
she proposed to him that why don't you come and
pretend to be my favorite? Wait, Jake Keith, I think
you had those backwards. You must have been saying he
when you met she and she when you met he,

(45:10):
because no way a woman would propose to a man.
That's crazy. They start out on these two like to bicker,
and you will not believe what ends up happening at
the conclusion of the movie. These two people who you
think will never get along, let alone ever romantic connection, Well,

(45:30):
I don't want to spoil it for you, but they
she I love the poster the subtitle the proposal. Here
comes the bribe, because apparently they said the logline on IMBB,
A pushy boss forces her young assistant to marry her
in order to keep her visa status in the US
and to Canada. I forgot about that part. Ironically, Ryan
Reynolds is Canadian, uh, and in this case he's playing

(45:53):
the American that she's using to attach. I didn't know
there was crime involved. Yeah, that's awesome marriage. I mean,
any boss forcing their assistant to proposed or like get
engaged to them, I think that's a crime, like right off.
But if they're handsome, right, that's true. So we lost

(46:13):
like one of the great museums in the world over
the weekend went up in flames in Brazil. This is
the same museum where a year ago the dinosaur room,
like a room where they had all these amazing important
dinosaur fossils, was infested with termites because they just didn't
have the money for upkeeping. Brazil is a crazy corrupt

(46:34):
country and we're in the dying stages of those Olympics
done huh, exactly. Yeah, but I bet those venues had sprinklers.
I mean, what else did they have in there? They
like just everything, huh, all kinds of early man like
just very important artifacts something like that. Yeah, important parts

(46:56):
of the historical record that right, we don't have anymore.
Oh that's like really heartbreaking away, like you know, all
who knows if the things that were in the museum
should be there, Because after going to the National Museum
in England, I was like, look all this stolen ship
but this was Yeah, it just bums me on to know,
like when like they're holding real pieces of like our

(47:17):
history as a planet and it just all burned up.
The right survived though, Just imagine all of the future
school children who can will not have the opportunity to
be bored looking at this stuff. Yeah, of course a
meteor right survived. The meteor right like survived and pretty
cool if the media right had caused the fire, Yeah,

(47:38):
that would have been kind of cool. Let them know. Yeah,
so I don't know. Oh that one of the most
prized possessions was a skull called Lucilla, which is among
the oldest fossils ever found in America's Good god, they
think they had insurance. I think they had good insurance.
I mean I wouldn't be surprised there was an insurance scamp. Yeah,
probably like man I had that skull that was like

(47:59):
three billions. Right, well, how do you ensure something that's priceless? Right,
That's what I would say say if I was Lloyd's
of London, I would say, you know what we are
we gonna give you nothing. Yeah, sorry, it was priceless.
We can't give you any money. All we can give
you is our deepest sympathies. Great British accent again, by
the way, taking it back to the stuff, our deepest
sympathies Brazil. By the way, if you if you just
want to get a sense of Brazil, just like going

(48:23):
YouTube and look for videos of Brazil police forces just
dominating people. It is. Yeah, it's a big authoritarian police state.
It's pretty crazy. Well yeah, what's funny now is now
they're thinking about going back to like military rule there
just being like, I think we want to go back
to that now. It's there's a lot of energy moving

(48:44):
around in that country in terms of its leadership, especially
with their upcoming election. So the New Yorker Festival, we
were all on the edge of our seat again, waiting. Okay,
what is Nike's third year Just Do It campaign going
to be? And who is going to be headlining the
New Yorker Festival this year? Will it be Beyonce? Will
it be oh, by the way, Happy Birthday yesterday Beyonce?

(49:06):
Will it be Kendrick It would be Steve Bannon. Bannon
was the headliner. He was gonna face off with David Remnick.
They were going to talk and argue, and a lot
of people weren't thrilled with that. Miles thoughts Jake Keith,
he had a platform, he has a platform. He's doing

(49:27):
what he has to. I know some people think it's
good to have public debates or whatever, to dismantle his
arguments in public or whatever. But it's pretty clear what
his his worldview is and I don't think he needs
to be normalized any further. Yeah, it's not like he's
a great scholar of you know, of conservatism. I mean,
he's a he's a big it, like I think it's
been a failed producer. Yeah, So I don't feel like

(49:50):
there's anything he needs to add to the conversation. Like
having a conversation with people on opposite sides is can
be valuable, but you know, you don't you don't debate
flat earthers, right exactly, He's the a flat earther of humanity.
His you know, he wants to create an ethno state.
He wants to quote dismantle the administrative state of the
government or whatever, which basically means hacking off parts of
the government, privatizing it for corporations to make money off

(50:11):
of it, and thus making the government less and less effective, uh,
and unable to regulate things. You know, it's just it's
all part of his plan of just weakening government, creating
an ethno state, limiting my immigration. Those are like, that's
his fantasy world that he lives in. Um. But I
mean it makes sense, like you're saying, Jakie, if you're
debating somebody who is also operating in some kind of

(50:32):
logical reality, that there are touchstones that you can agree
as a baseline, this is reality. But he's just there
for his very inflammatory takes and things that are only
going to trigger the list. There's no way it's going
to be productive. And uh, I like that. We live
in a world where Patton Oswald says he's not gonna
do something that has an effect. I like that you
were like, all right, I'm out on the New Yorker festival.

(50:54):
And so they canceled the interview and people are wondering like, well,
does this mean that debate is dead in this country?
And I think it's probably like I think the results
of this interview when both sides were like, yeah, we
showed them, and yeah, that's the problem. You have so

(51:14):
much motivation to you know, owning the libs by right,
it's just gonna be more. I don't know. I think
maybe David Remnick, the editor of The New Yorker, came
in being like, oh, we're gonna just demolish this guy
on stage. But I mean, Bannon is pretty convincing to
the people who already want to believe him, and that's

(51:35):
what our country is right now is. But also, you know,
the New Yorker has done their own reporting to debunk
and show what a you know, what a nothing burger
this guy Isn't you know? It was so disrespectful, I
think to their own writers and editors, and a lot
of them banded together and let their opinions be known
as well. Yeah, the New Yorker does a great job
when they are reporting facts and writing long form stories.

(51:58):
And I don't know if you know, they have these
cartoons and they they have dogs doing things that normally
only humans do, and then the dog will say something
quite pithy. I just I just got the coasters usually
about usually about being in psychoanalysis. I only like colorful cartoons. Unfortunately,
I'm a simple man. And I don't mean to say

(52:19):
that the analysis of Steve Bannon isn't necessary because there's
a documentary from Errol Morris that's coming out. The superducer
Nick Stump brought up and I understand that from on
some level, from a journalistic point of view, you want
to talk to people who with divergent opinions and then
begin to talk, have a debate or whatever. But I've
never seen him concede like any talking point of his

(52:39):
in the face of fact, and that to me, I
don't I'm not sure if you're just going to report on, oh,
look at this pure evil person, then yes, there you
can do that on the mere existence of it. I
don't know what I'm curious to know, Like, even in
the fantastic version of what this Q and A was
gonna look like, what they thought was gonna do aside
from what we were saying is just create more just division,
and it's cash for outrage. You know, you're gonna get

(53:02):
people on both sides saying that they want and it's
not going to further anything. Whereas a documentary, I think
it's a it's a you know, Aero Morris I trust
to confront anyway. He's done great documentaries about Rumsfeld and
about McNamara, and you know, I trust him to take
on a person who made terrible decisions and has terrible
opinions in a way that actually could be you know,
enlightening and showing someone for who they are. But also

(53:24):
there's the opportunity cost of you book a conversation at
a festival with Bannon. Who are you not booking? You
know what, what point of view are you not putting
out there, especially when that maybe deserves more exploration and
it's something that that we don't already know. Yeah, I'm
another white guy, right from a different white guy. And
by the way, I like a lot of white guys, right,
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, obviously we want to

(53:45):
keep as many white guys as possible. I didn't say
that exactly, I just meant that I don't have complete
self hatred right right the Fog of War. By the way,
the mcnamaraan documentary is amazing because he's kind of like
has intellectually but not to his soul, like processed what
he like all the ways he fucked up, but he's
still just like real, has that like positive businessman spin

(54:10):
on it, like, hey, we're trying this thing and it
didn't quite work out. But it's like he doesn't kind
of see the human toll. And then the Rumsfeld, when
I think was called the Known Unknown, Yeah, just seeing
what a weirdo he is. Right, That one is more
about just putting a very strange, immoral lunatic on display,

(54:31):
whereas the McNamara one kind of gives you a little
He has more distance, and it's just weird because there
are all these things that he was very guarded and uh,
you know, shortsighted about back during the Vietnam War that
now he's like, yeah, so that was a mistake and
we fucked that one up, and uh so it'll be

(54:51):
interesting to see what the Bannon one is. But again,
it has to just be a depiction of a horror show,
and I think that's what people were describing it as
I get to look a a horror film, because yes,
I think we have to understand that kind of sort
of authoritarian right wing movement that Bannon loves to get
stuck into, especially in Europe now, where he's like exporting
these kinds of beliefs and being like, yeah, do you

(55:12):
guys like this sort of brand of xenophobia? And I
think that clearly has to be monitored. But I think
you get into slippery territory when you're like, come to
this thing, let's talk, when you're not going to say
anything aside from just being contrarian or whatever. And Benham
was not that successful when he went to Europe, right Like,
It's not like he won a bunch of elections for
them over there. Right Well, he's been you know, like

(55:34):
you know, Marilla Penn and like even in Italy, like
they talked to him, and he knows how to turn
a lot of people's anger into something more destructive. Um,
And I think that's what his awful gift is, what
a legacy. So the other thing that the right was
freaking out about over the weekend was the lack of
gratuitous flagshots in the upcoming Damien Chazelle film First Man

(55:59):
about Neil Armstrong landing on the Moon, and I assumed
that they had like blacked out the flag or like,
I think they think that too, right, I think that's
what they think. And then you see the shots of
him with the flag on the shoulder and the flags
the flag, they're the only thing that has left out
is him actually stabbing the movie, stabbing the moon with

(56:19):
an American flag and declaring victory doing a touchdown dance.
But the movie doesn't come out to October. This is
all based on you know, people who saw this controversy.
It was premiered at the Venice Film Festival this week
and critics loved it. But you know, somebody made the
point that, oh, they don't show this, which is an
interesting choice and the right having like I'm sure not

(56:44):
a single person who has objected has actually seen it.
They're just looking at Well. Also, it's a huge percentage
of these people, probably folks who think that was faked anyway, right, Yeah,
like they didn't show the studio where you put the
flag in the moon. Well that's what I'm where that truth, huh.
But yeah, so I don't know, I think it doesn't

(57:04):
help you have a Canadian and Ryan gosseling on there
to their American Damnien. Yeah, but then Marco Rubio they
see this tweet, is that this is total lunacy in
a disservice at a time when our people need reminders
of what we can achieve when we work together. The
American people paid for that mission on rockets built by Americans,

(57:25):
with American technology and carrying American astronauts. It wasn't a
U n mission. Yeah, Okay, remember when Neil arm Trunk
said a small leap for a man, a giant leap
for American Americans? Americans only fuck the Earth, American kind,
I'm out here fucking the earth with a flag? Would
flag drop? But buzz Aldrin, who is the official voice

(57:47):
of this story, you know he's the man the second
Man's a good point. So he tweeted out a photo
of himself next to an American flag on the moon
hashtag Proud to be American. But as our writer Jam
McNab pointed out, should we really listen to buzz Aldrin's
criticism of the movie It's called First Man? Letting buzz
al drum way in is like asking a can of

(58:09):
r C Cola, how it feels about the coke you're drinking. Yeah,
I think that's about right. Shut the funk up. I mean,
also to I'm there were many people who are I'm
sure there are many people in the space program who
were not born in America who were contributing their knowledge,
know how, expertise, right exactly, op. You know, so like

(58:32):
America is in a country made up of just people
who were born here since the fucking uh, this is
a country of immigrants to so you know, in a way,
this is a fucking it's a victory for mankind, as
he said when he got on the movie. Yes, and
again they do show the American flag. Also, it's a movie, guys,
it's a movie. Also, they point out Mark Rubia one

(58:54):
of his favorite movies, Wedding Crashers, in his top three.
I mean, can't follow him for that, but we're and Eraserhead. Yeah,
so he's a pretty rounded out dude. Yeah, weird choice
that Forrest Gump is the third man on the moon
on the Moon mission. Okay, that is going to do it.

(59:16):
Jake Keith, it has been a pleasure, such a good time.
Thanks for having me back. Where can people find you?
Follow you. Well, the main thing is that if you
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please check out my celebrity comedy trivia podcast called go
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wherever you get podcasts, or you can find us at

(59:36):
go factor pod dot com and on social media at
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Ja Underscore Keith. There you go on the Twitter miles.
Where can people find you? Oh? You can find me

(59:58):
on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Hey, j Keith,
I forgot to ask you. Was there a tweet that
you've been enjoying of late of a particular tweet. Oh boy,
you're putting me on the spot. Yeah. I'm a big
Angels fan. And as you probably know, they have a
two way player named Shohyotani and there's a I believe
a Japanese Twitter account called every day show Hey or

(01:00:20):
something like everyday Showtime and it's all in Japanese and
it's just different gifts of him doing random things like
on the field or of like you know, bubble heads
or like little tribute things that people I enjoyed very much.
I enjoyed Japanese fandom of baseball. How is his season going?
Pretty good? He was injured for a couple of months.
He just returned to start a game on over the
weekend and he did he did okay. Uh so, considering

(01:00:41):
the fact that he pitches and hits, he's doing he's
doing pretty great. First guy, since like the days of
Babe Ruth exactly crazy, it's pretty fun. Miles. What's a
tweet you've been enjoying now? Oh, it's just that one.
So if if you saw the Colin Kaepernick ad, it's
like a black and white portrait, very close up image
of him with like the words I think, believe in something,
even if it means sacrificing everything, just do it. And

(01:01:04):
there's some the internet, because you guys, God bless you
the Internet. A bunch of savages put up a picture
of Kanye West and similar black and white portraits close
up and it just said, slavery is a choice. Adidas
come on, but hey, you know, ah, what you gotta do. Also,
I think maybe Drake did have sex with Kim Kardashian.

(01:01:24):
That's what all that was about. Oh really, Yeah, there's
some interesting Twitter threads going on the internet. Someone. Yeah,
a lot of people are saying, if you really look
at it, the side a of Scorpion is all about
how he smashed Kim Kardashian and that he's also Joe
Button had talked about it too in his podcast a
few weeks ago, where he was saying that essentially Drake
had shared with Kanye this plan or that like what

(01:01:45):
he was gonna do, and then Kanye basically like shifted
all of his marketing around what Drake was doing too,
like as a major troll move. It's very, very in
depth theory. But there are many theories floating around, but
that was the one that had everybody on on Twitter
go on why and was part of Drake's marketing plan
to fun Kim Kardashian. I don't know, that's the way
I think, but that's why, you know, that could be

(01:02:07):
the ki ki he's talking about. All right, um, what
does any of that mean? Yeah? Yeah, millennials, right am?
I right? Also, Miley Cyrus's little sister is tweeting because
she's breaking up with her boyfriend. And this couple looks
like they're twelve years old. I think she's eighteen and

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he's tunny one. And but as John Daly says, he
has teeth like he's still he really does look like
he still has his baby teeth. Tweet that I've been
enjoying us from Bryn mcclooney at Dagger Trout on Twitter.
Tweeted a picture of the Matrix and a picture of
Fight Club side by side, and wrote two movies that
have been hilariously misinterpreted, one about the struggles of coming out,

(01:02:54):
written by two trans women, the other about a critique
of toxic masculinity written by a gay man. And I
think nothing has been truer that I've read in a
long time. You can find me on Twitter at Jack
Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.
Were at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have Facebook
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information that we talked about, as well as the song
that we write out on Miles What's going to Be?
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track by Catronado. Catronado is a producer artist that I

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talked about pretty frequently on here, or at least have
right on music, and this one is a remix of
this Robert Glassberg Experiment song no One Like You. But
I mean, I don't know if Chris Daddy Dave is
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by Catronada, But drummers, put on your thinking caps and
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