February 21, 2018 • 54 mins
In episode 89, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Ify Nwadiwe to discuss Black Panther, Reverend Billy Graham, Russian bots influence on the internet, gun control & NRA's town hall meeting in Florida, Netflix's new reality show 'The Push,' & more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome two season nineteen, episode two
of Dare Dailies Eight Guys, Yeah, for February twenty one,
two thousand eighteen. My name is Jack O'Brien. Okay, I'll
be ship Okay a k a, I'll be Jack in
the high O'Brien step win with. That is courtesy of
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at Athena Mika, and I'm through up to be joined
as always by my co host, Mr Miles. Great. Oh
it's my you know, I'm better than kind of bar.
That's a that's a soccer specific one I had at
the end that I was better than twenty anyway. Uh,
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that's an a k a from Matt raymis shout out
to you, my man, because I just wanted to sing
and you let me. What's my vocal board? Yeah, you
kind of look ridiculous singing next to my golden pipes.
But that was that was yeah, they will you know again,
no auto tune there, that was my actual voice. Yeah,
mine was auto yeah. Clear, Please take that as a
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desiderations when making your judge. And we are thrilled to
be joined in our third seat by if he wad
a wet why man, this is iff He bottoms. This
is if you choose. That's if you like it, everyone
will sing you also. You know, I really want to
commend you. A lot of people don't know because this
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is a podcast. You cannot see anything. If he is
in some very elegant garb your body, I might if
I'm gonna describe it on a level of one to wakonda.
Uh it's a waconda. Yeah, you know, I got I
got this, uh like bullhorn that you got. Got got
like a very drapeish like basically if you've seen Black Panther,
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Uh kill Monger's kind of like what would you call this?
Like a cloak? Yeah, but like in a room. Yeah robe, Yeah,
a green robe, army green robe, no shirt, no shir
no shirt laying open and uh you know, just some
like thick joggers. I think it was that a vibranium ring.
You go, yeah, vibranium wedding ring down. Uh got so please,
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I mean check my Instagram story and if he's as well,
and you'll get those handles later on the show because
the stories are lit. I mean you're still going to
be rocking this for a picture, yeah, for on Twitter
like that with your Wakanda body was that recently, Yeah,
that was yesterday. I never seen. I'm like, well, I
don't have a Oh my gosh, like I've been my
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gym membership like has been clocking in since seeing Michael B.
I was like, man, because it's funny because my goals
shifted last year. I wanted that Trevante body from from
Moonlight right now now it's like I need that Michael B. Yeah,
if you want something from your seach history that's revealing
about who you are. Kaiju plural because my buddies doing
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this like death Jaguar toy Kickstarter and I was doing like, hey,
you guys like kaijus and I was like, I feel
like kaijus isn't how you would say it. So I
looked up kaiju plural and it's just kaiju multiple kaiju. Yeah,
because there's no like in Japanese kaiju just means the
biggest monster. Yeah, that's that super close to the definition.
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I was like, yeah, it's a giant great, yeah, yeah
you with kaiju. Yeah, y'a fo with kaiju. Definitely kaiju. Yeah,
it's this Pacific rim specific or just toys that like Godilla,
you know, and he's making like Godzilla toys. Well, he's
just making a specific So there was this character called
Death Jaguar, which was this like robot because I guess
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back in the day, Godzilla had a contest where people
can submit a new Kaiju to for Godzilla to fight.
And this kid made this like robot called death Jaguar
and uh it was a scientist made it, and someone
stole it and made him evil and now he's like good,
he's he's really cool looking, like I feel like, just
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a big gass jaguar. Uh No, he's like a robot face.
Like he's like a it's almost like an ultraman looking
joint and it's so so Yeah, I'm trying to look
and I can't find it, but I wanna believe you.
Look up, that's Jaguar. Hi. Yeah, try that? Okay. Yeah,
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what's something that's underrated? Oh? Man, underrated? I think I'm
gonna go with just to stay topical with you know.
I felt like there was a lot of meme reaction
meme hate. I feel like I feel like, yeah, I
feel like that's underrated because I've been in a lot
of like rooms with comics who like hate the internet
culture of jokes and I I've been the internet bait
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before a while. Like I was like, before I was
this sounds so dumb, But I was using memes before
they were cool. I was in I was I was
sifting through b going through all the races as to
get my hot, spicy memes, you know, back when they're
just inspirational photos, and I think people like, look, I
was like, oh, it's dumb. But it's like I finally
was able to look at it and be like, oh,
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it's just inside jokes. And that's why they're so popular
is because because people are like, oh, I get this.
It's just like a callback that you do in stand up. Also,
I feel like, um, there's like when you go through
Twitter moments, you see so many of them, Like you
don't do numbers until you're in Twitter moments. Like they're
popular not before that, but because they're Because I had
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a tweet going to Twitter moments and I think I
had maybe like seven to ten retweets, and then it
it went in Twitter moments. I was feeling I was
feeling good. You couldn't tell me nothing for a few hours.
I got a tweet doing number Yeah, but it's just
it and I think the key as like comedy people
is instead of rejecting that and being like that's a
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weird thing, I don't think it's funny as finding how
to like even make it better because you're the common guy.
We're funny here. Well, you know, we just speak differently
millennials and you know, and a picture is worth a
thousand words, which is why memes work so well because
it can sum up so much ship in a photo.
Oh yeah, it's creating new vocabulary basically yeah, without using
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words so less. I don't know anyway, cool, yeah, mad cool.
What's something that's over overrated is um And I feel
like I'm bringing this back. I've said it before, but
I want to reiterate it now. Is shifting on movies.
That was like the one of the worst Black Panther
takes h I've seen by I don't even want to
give this guy any any air, but like it proves
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my point in saying his name, Like his YouTube is
your movie sucks and and it's like that that lets
you know, like that's his thing is He's like, I'm
a fine, I'm gonna talk about how sucking movie is.
Like that's easy, Like I can go to a five
year old and he can tell me why something stucks.
You can tell me he that's easy. What I think
what would be impressive is breaking down why a movie's bad,
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like using actual points and ways that it things, that
it was successful that and how it could be better,
because that takes actual knowledge. Just shipping on a movie
is so easy. But like so many YouTube quote unquote
reviewers do that and like pat themselves on the back
as if they look smart. It's it's the age old
trick of being like if I shoot on something that
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then I then then I seem smart, But it's not true.
It's easy to say, oh, well this didn't have the
thing I liked, so which is which is a cast
full of white people? Analysis? Uh yeah, Well one of
the movies that has been shipped on the most here
on the Daily Zeygeist just three billboards outside of Ebbing, Missouri,
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which is up for some Best Picture uh Oscars this year.
And uh there there was a take by Wesley Morris
that I talked about a couple of weeks ago on
his podcast where they talked about how it wasn't successful
and it wasn't a realistic depiction of America, but then
they used that critique to then like jump off into
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this really interesting conversation about sort of that's how American
pop culture, like an American culture just exists in this
sort of weird hyper reality nether region. Uh and yeah,
even shitty movies. Like one of my favorite movies to
talk about is Rocky four and that is not like
objectively a great movie, but it's fucking like a really
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interesting movie for a lot of reasons. Yeah, um, I
love that. Take that. That's one of my favorites. That
sounds super interesting. All Right. We are trying to take
a sample of what people are thinking and talking about
right now, and the way we like to open that
conversation up is by asking our guests what is a myth?
What's something that people believe to be true that is
not The myth is if you dislike black panther, you're
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a racist. I feel like I've been seeing this and
I feel like it's such a weird And that goes
back to that guy I was talking about, because that's
been what's been driving a lot of these like edge
lords of being like, oh, people are saying if you
don't like this, No one's saying that it's like a
few fringe, you know, takes that no one's taking seriously
that it's easier for you to buck against that and
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to be honest, it's like, no, no, we don't care,
Like like black people would have been totally fine if
all white people were like, oh, we didn't, like we
expected that Black people went into Black Panther expecting white
people to hate it because we knew it was made
for us and that's the beauty of it. It's like, no,
Ryan Coogler wasn't trying to make I mean, he was
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trying to make a good movie that you know, was
that everyone liked, but he wasn't trying to make it
for you, Like there are lines in there. That's why
I like one take that I heard from someone who
was like a non black person of color. They were like,
you know, some of the lines seemed forced, and it's
like that's a take of someone who who it just
wasn't for because I'm sure it was all the like, well,
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well no, no, that was a solid joke. I think
it was lines like whereas like all people come from here,
so aren't what Condon's all your people like? It's yeah,
I feel like if you're not black, you don't realize
the power of Like in a Disney movie, we are
like letting it be known that yes, people come from Africa.
This is a scientific fact that is often forgotten or
ignored or used Christianity to try and pretend like it
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doesn't exist. And or like lines like you know, um,
sorry if you haven't seen it. I'm not gonna say
the plot points. I'm just gonna say the lines, which
don't give any plot points a lot, but it's like
you know, or the line bury me in the ocean
because like my ancestors knew that death was better than
bondage like that. I feel like like some dork like
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who is not black is like, oh that just because
it's like no, that's yeah, that's anything about oppression that yeah.
So it's so funny. And and even the secondary like
sub myth to this is that black panther isn't a
big deal. It's like and it's so it's so many
like neck beauty white guys who are like it's not
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a big deer, like how would you even know? How
would you be again to understand what's a big deal
for black people when you're not black? Like that's the
fun that's the hubrist of white men. That's gonna be
a lot of my thesis this year is the Hubrists
of white men. And I was talking about this with
Brody and he was saying, it's just because like everything
they've been taught is that they have a universal point
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of view that they have that you as a white dude,
and and in this philosophy class that you've taken, has
taught you that, like you've been able to make this
unbiased universal point of view. But it's it's not you
don't have the experiences to make an educated decision. You
do not have the experiences around you, probably don't even
have enough black friends to be able to be like, oh,
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this is important to black people. And it's more than
because there's a lot of black people in the movie.
It's it's it's because of the themes within it and
like what it really means and signaling even a shift
in how films are made. And you know Coogler getting
the largest budget for an African American director and then
paying back tenfold, like, yo, the floodgates are about to
open because Hollywood response to money and there you go, Hendy,
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there's your profits. Also, I have a question for you
because you are a Nigerian and I was talking yesterday
about how like Wakanda definitely. I think what some people
don't understand is like Wakanda is this sort of fantasy
world because the idea of Africa's little nebulous for African Americans.
So Africa is less abstract to you because you're African American.
Uh in like the most literal sense. Did that change? How?
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I mean, like you're saying people take from what they will,
But I'm just curious for you what that was. Like. Well,
I feel like there's like two points that could be
made with with what you just asked. I feel like
there's one point in the first thing you said, where
like Africa's kind of nebulous to African Americans, Like you know,
a lot of Africa like us. It took me a
while to realize how kind of blessed I was to
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be able to trace back my roots on one side
of my family. A lot of African Americans just can't,
you know, like you and and especially African Americans and
white spaces get to hear they're like white friends be like, oh,
you know my family comes from but you know, the
never and yeah, like they get to trace it back
pretty far and black people don't get that. So I
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feel like that's why it's that's another level to why
it's important, because it's like, you know, this fictional place,
Yes it's fictional, but it's somewhere we can be like, yeah,
this is this is ancestry dot com your way back
to Africa. Yeah. And so I feel like a lot
of Africans, a lot of ship head Africans, have been like, oh,
you know, why don't you learn about your actual roots?
And I feel like that comes from a place of
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just true ignorance. Like I like, you know, when I
was in my twenties, you know, I kind of had
this like that same kind of feeling where and it's
really just being selfish, just making it about you where
it's like, why you want to care about Africa? Care
about me? Like care about where I'm from? And I think,
to really approach your question for me, I'm my dad's Nigerian,
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my mom's from Louisiana, so I like I'm a half
African kill monger. Same thing. So the way I took
that movie was kind of approaching it from like that
kind of psyche of how it is and trying to
fit in with your community even though you were seen
as another because you are half. And I spoke to
my friend Opie, who both his parents are Nigerian, and
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he saw another thing and I and I definitely want to,
you know, give Opie, he's a Nigerian comic. I'm going
to take what he said because I think it's a
good point. He was saying he felt the vibranium was
a allegory for culture. How he feels like Africans from Africa.
You know, we didn't have resources to give to black people,
but we didn't extend our hand and give them the culture.
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We kind of viewed African Americans as together. And you
see it in the way that some Africans do associate
with black people, and you like who was talking about
like the and I didn't even know this, mostly because
my dad married an American, but Nigerians have a word
called gota, which is like a derogatory term for African Americans,
Like like, that's because they're looking at them as they're
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wasting the opportunity and completely ignoring the systematic oppression and
everything else that came. They see us as lazy. And
it's also part of the kind of um uh, model
minority treatment that a lot of Africans get because a
lot of Africans come out here that get to go
to like Ivy League schools, and that's kind of been
a big thing where like colleges are disproportionately accepting African
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Africans but not African Americans. And it's just that model
minority kind of cyclical thing that's going on that we
also have to address. You know, guys see Black Panthers
much more nuanced. I don't know people walk walked into
that movie and thinking having these conversations after the fact.
But yeah, it's good, Yeah, glad to get your perspective
on that. Yeah, and uh, just to your point, Ryan
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Coogler released a letter this morning saying, you know, just
expressing gratitude for everybody who saw it, but saying, you know,
never in a million years did we imagine that all
these people would come out and see a movie about
a fictional country on the continent of Africa made up
of a cast of people of African descent. Um. But yeah,
the response has been impressive and just a lot of
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the conversations that I feel like a spring up around it,
like the one you guys just had to have been
really more interesting than the conversations that sprang up around
a lot of movies. Well, it's it's just yeah, it
forces a little bit of reflection for sure, especially when
you watch a movie, like the only conversations you're having
after Batman versus Superman is like, man, how crazy would
it be if our mom's at the same name. You know,
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it's like no, man, yeah, I'm not here, Like do
you little ship? Like yeah, because's funny like when I
went to Ghana, Uh, my dad who was black, they
call him o' bruni, which in Ghana and that's just
means white man. But again, that sort of goes back
to the perception of African Americans from Africans, and they
thought I was Arab, so they kept insisting I was there.
But again, yeah, it's it's it's very interesting that there
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there are so many levels of perception of blackness and
things like that. So also, yeah, guy, before you you
come in with your hot take, just realized this is
a very nuanced topic. It's not just that it's a
it's a black movie and everybody's up in arms. It's
a it's signaling many other things to many different people.
All Right, let's get into other stories that are going
on right now. This one is not about uh explicitly
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like all in the background in a way about Wakonda.
The Reverend Billy Graham has passed away. Uh. He brought
Christianity to the masses in America or like brought it
back after the Scopes monkey trial. Uh. And you know
the Christian Church taking a giant l in the public
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forum on that one. Uh. He sort of brought it
back and was like, it's okay to be Christian. You know,
these values are good things, and he really focused on
the better part of uh, you know that ethos. Uh.
There is a thing that I had I wasn't fully
aware of a tape that was released in two thousand two.
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Uh that is pretty shocking. So he had a conversation
with Nixon, and somebody was there for it had said
he said all these anti Semitic things, and Billy Graham
had always just said no, I didn't uh, And people
were like, okay, well he wouldn't lie. He is basically uh,
modern Jesus. And then in two thousand two tape came
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out because Nixon recorded fucking everything and uh, This is
what Billy Graham said. He said they're the ones. So
he was speaking about Jewish people in America. He said,
they're the ones putting out the pornographic stuff. Uh, the
Jewish stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's
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going down the drain. I go, and I keep friends
with Mr Rosenthal at the New York Times and people
of that sort. That was the publisher. I think of
the New York Times at the time, and people of
that sort, you know. And all I mean, not all
the Jews, but a lot of the Jews were a
great friend of mine. They swarm around me and are
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friendly to me because they know that I'm friendly with Israel.
But they don't know how I really feel about what
they're doing to this country. And I have no power,
no way to handle them. But I would stand up
if under proper circumstances. So it's like it is. It's
a tough one to overcome because it's him being like
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And I would never tell them this in public. That's
usually the smoking gun quote because usually they'll say the
top part and they won't be like. But what they
don't know is that you're always like, damn if I
just had that, and he's saying they don't know is
given the right circumstances, I would wow. Well, look, he
was the like spiritual advisor for many presidents. I think
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what he was the closest with Nixon, but had been
invited to the White House, but from pretty much every
president up until even Obama, because he was seen as
like this sort of at least the good side of
what like I guess evangel I don't know here was evangelical.
I believe yea that when it was still sort of
good natured and then uh it perversion began the religious right,
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and I think, I know, like Billy Graham had, people
are only sharing quotes, like only good quotes about him,
saying like I think if the Christianity was married with
social conservative that would be the end or something like that,
when people like see, you see he was a good guy,
which I'm sure you had great ideas. I'm not particularly familiar.
I just remember that specific things when you're talking about
talk about Bill Graham, like the weird stuff he said
about Jewish people, Um um, yeah, Look, he was a
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big figure in the United States. Yeah. But one thing
I will say is Nixon is the originator of keeping
on the receipts. I feel like, you know, that's been
What's weird is that Trumpians have figured out a way
around receipts by just denying it, like once they figured
out that their base will just take that, Like I
feel because I feel like the first time it was done,
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they're like no. When their base was like, well he
said no, He's like, oh, thank god, these people are idiot,
you know, totally. Um. There was there was an article
Jewish Week titled how Jews should think about Reverend Graham's legacy,
And I think it's as good a testament to you know,
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his message or what he preached, because you know, they
mentioned his quotes, but then they say, you know, we
would have liked for him not to have said that,
but but that should not blind us to his constructive words,
which benefited all religions, including our own. Many of his
statements and actions were in sync both with many in
Latin jews Own attitudes to religion and to the role
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that religion should play in the town square, and he
specifically opposed like there was a big Southern Baptist pushed
to convert Jews and Muslims in the nineties and he
was like, no, like that's fucking awful. Let's let's not
do that. So yeah, he really came out in surprising
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ways like for some some progressive values. It we don't
currently associate with Southern Baptist Christians. And it's just that,
you know, this one quote that is pretty problematic. Um
so that's an interesting, complicated legacy. Uh, we are going
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to take a quick break and we will be right back,
and we're back and uh so there's been a lot
of focus on Russian bots of late. Uh. Thirteen Russians
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and a couple of organizations were indicted by the Muller
investigation on Friday, and um, you know, it has come
out now that we know who to specifically look at
and what organizations were specifically the Russian bots, that's come
out that yes, they were definitely trying to help the
Trump campaign win the two thousand and sixteen election, but
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they were kind of all over the place and they
continue to be all over the place. Uh, right up
until the school shooting last week in Florida. Um, you know,
they were immediately targeting uh you know, both sides of
that debate. They were pushing, you know, the idea that
guns should be banned and you know, just liberal talking points,
(23:26):
which I don't know. It is kind of a it's
a weird thing to learn that, uh, you know, they're
targeting that some of the things that you believe. Like
I looked and I had not retweeted any Russian bots,
which was good, Um, but just did you do the
thing where you can find out if you did? Yeah? Well,
I I also don't really retweet people who I'm not
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who I'm not familiar with. Remember that. But yeah, I
mean you can go and there's a website that is
like tracking basically the specific we're gonna zations to watch
out for it. Um. But I guess, I mean that's
that's that's the point of the playing both sides is
like if you get both fired up, then nobody will
get along and there you go, chaos achieved. And I
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think for a example of how best to respond if
you do find out that you have been retweeting a bot. Um,
this is a good example. CNN went and spoke to
a woman who had led a pro Trump uh you
know rally I think, and you know Facebook group and
(24:32):
they were like, yeah, that Facebook group that you helped
lead was actually put together by Russian boats. And her
response was, I think a lesson for us all. But
did you realize that you guys were in communication electronically
with Russian You were posting stuff on the Facebook? Heilary
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Clinton was, and so was all horror bandits some of
the stuff that you were in charge of the Facebook,
you were posting and reposting almost word for word the
information that was coming out of this internet research agency
in St. Petersburg. You don't believe that he had a
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pretty interesting strategy here making sure that this interview takes
place right in front of a car whose alarm can't
stop going off to really just you know, I'm like,
oh what am I listening to the alarm of this lady?
I mean it shows you too, like that would look
like an elderly retiree in Florida or whoever it was
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um who had probably a lot of time living on
Facebook and got caught up in, you know, just posting
her hot takes and thinking that she was organizing for
real patriots and then when they're like, oh are you doing,
uh what group? Was it like very patriotic? She's like, yes,
I'm very patriotic. He's like, no, that's the Russian Facebook
group that you were talking to. No, was basically with
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the Russians. I just I mean, like, at this point,
it just feels so hard to like, you know, I
try and be like I'm trying to be chilled, dude.
The New two thousand and eighteen is like me trying
to be you know, understanding really you know, not not
talk as spicy. It's hard not to talk spicy when
like you, it seems like all of Trump supporters are
(26:24):
this way where they're just like no, no, like I
just need one Trump supporters like look, oh damn, I'm
a garbage dude. I'm sorry, my dude, Like you know,
you know, with garbage. You see this red hat, you know,
make America great again. I love garbage, you know. I'm
I'm trying to last each other with muskets, like I
want a R fifteen is gone to like I want
to get back to pump and looking like I'm jerking
it before I blastombody, you know, but in a way
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like I get this woman because that's some ship for
someone to hit you with the Hey, do you know
that you were unwittingly working with Russia's like you I
wouldn't even be like, yeah, you are lean but actually,
I mean, to her credit, she could have said you
are because CNN did cover a rally in the aftermath
of Trump's inauguration, Like there was the giant million woman
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uh you know protests and uh demonstration across America. There
was also a Russian organized specific protest that CNN and
MSNBC managed to find that one and cover it and
be like, so what do you guys think? And they're like,
Trump has weaponized this country, like just very Uh you
could tell the talking points weren't like quite there. They
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weren't things that like people actually believed. But uh yeah,
so I mean CNN got caught up in that ship too.
So I don't know, I don't know how good I
feel about them going down and being like, oh, yeah,
well we found this idiot in the front yard. I
don't think that was a good tactic to blow someone's mind,
is to roll up on them in front of their house.
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And and I think it's about you know, like it
would be like a family intervention or something where you're like, mom,
we actually do have any information Grandma that you were
fucking with bots. But I mean, I know, so many
people whose parents like they they saw their parents sharing
ship like this on Facebook and had to do that.
And you know, that's a conversation that America has had
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to have with their parents or uncles or you know,
been like, look, I know that's what you want to believe,
but it's just not true. So I don't know. And
I'm not saying you're evil for doing this because you
just thought this was news or whatever it was true,
but we're just I'm just trying to show you how
easy that ship is, right, Yeah, it's because we're in
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like the third wave of Internet. The Internet is fascinating
to me just because of like we're the last generation
who will have lived before the Internet. And I remember
like very early on my dad, my dad, like uncles
would not funk with it. They didn't care, like that's
a kids thing, that's what you do. Like, And then
(28:59):
I remember more, yeah, and then you had my Space.
They still weren't like they were doing checking emails, but
like like the concept, Like I remember asking my dad
to help me get something from eBay. He was like what, no,
like it's trash. Then like then my Space happened and
I was like, all right, what y'all doing on there,
you know, and then they kind of started infiltrating my space.
Then we fled to Facebook, and then that's yeah, that's
(29:22):
what's so funny is people don't remember we fled to
Facebook because we wanted to get away from our parents
on my space like that in our parents. Yeah, our
parents gentrified my Space. We went to Facebook, which it's
big selling point was you can only sign up with
the college I hacked that your boy didn't go to college.
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I joined there, and then like our parents came and
there was the first initially oh my gosh, but then
people were like, actually, it's kind of cool to check
in my grandma, and so you're getting all these people
like and I feel like that's when our parents kind
of got involved in our parents, Like now my dad
is like flipping laptops on eBay and just like like
he's just straight up in it. And I think now
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it's like our grandparents are kind of like, all right, well,
I think so, And it's kind of now the first wave,
which is us the millennials, who kind of already are
well aware like this is fake, this is fake, this
isn't real, this isn't and then the second Wave, I
think isn't all the way there yet, and the third
wave is there and they're like everything that the same.
(30:28):
How if the internet lies, how can I see my
grandson on on the beach on Facebook exactly? How you
can't lie on the internet, right, Yeah, that's a really
good point. I mean, there were there were those stories
in the aftermath of the election being like, we need
to teach our children media literacy so they know what
is true and what's not. It's like the children, it's
not it's you. We're the ones fucking with you half
(30:48):
the time. I know. I mean, I'm yo. When Jurassic
Park came out, I straight up told my grandmother it
was real, and she believed it. My mom yelled at
me because she was like, what did your say INSTAGRAMA,
this is all Japanese. But she was like she was old.
You know, she was born right for the Titanic sink.
And I guess that's the same kind of thing. Is
that sort of Their guard is an up like ours is.
(31:09):
So it's easy to be like, well, it's on this thing,
this screen because they grew up in a world where
people who had access to media were like ordained, like
being like actual journalists or giving facts. So it's like
it's the Internet though, right they did not have that
built in sort of guard yea, yeah, yeah. I think
to have a clear example of this, I learned my
lesson that the Internet doesn't lie back when the FBI
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came to my house when I was trying to have cybersex.
When I was in I'd say, I have to be
like to be like an eighth grade And it wasn't
until because I tell that story now, I told the
story on my comedy album and now I'm at an
age where I was like, oh, there was never a
girl like I was cybersexing with FBI. So were you
(31:57):
lying and saying you were older? No? I was, I was.
They just said the language I was using was advanced
for my age. So you know your boy, your boy
was spicy with so they thought you were posing as
an eighth grader. Your cyber stroke was that that they
showed up. But I'm like because like it was kind
(32:18):
of like that Kaiser. So's a moment where like I
was like, wait, she disappeared after after a while, never
came back. And then when the dude and I felt
back because the FBI, I was like, and he was like, yeah,
we already like talked to the girl. And I was like,
I was like, you know, no, No, They're like yeah,
I was hold Smith, but I was this if he
(32:38):
was away, Man, he's very advanced. I just wonder if
the agent misses me right, like he just got into
deep agents, Like, hey, man, can you talk to my
wife for me? Yeah? What was some that stuff you
said to open up with? Um? So where were we?
One of the things that the Russian boats, like I said,
we're spending on was the uncontrolled debate, which seems like
(33:01):
a waste of resources because uh, you don't need to
sew discord that the chord is going to dis it some.
It is a hotly contested conversation and we think it
might get hotter tonight because there is a upcoming media
event that seems almost too crazy to be true. But
(33:24):
CNN is basically sponsoring this conversation between the Parkland students
and community and that crazy n R A woman from
like the n R A videos who just like comes
out hot. I think we have some We are witnesses
to the most ruthless attack on a president and the
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people who voted for him, and the free system that
allowed it to happen in American history, from the highest
levels of government to their media, universities and billionaires. They're hateful.
Defiance of his legitimacy is an insult to each of us.
But the ultimate insult is that they think we're so
stupid that will let them get away with it. These saboteurs,
(34:08):
slashing away with their leaks and sneers, their phony accusations
and gagging sanctimony, drive their daggers through the heart of
our future, poisoning our belief that honest custody of our
institutions will ever again be possible, so they can then
build their utopia from the ashes of what they burned down. No,
(34:30):
their fate will be failure, and they will perish in
the political flames of their own fires. We are the
National Rifle Association of America and we are freedom's safest place.
What does that have to do with guns? Was it
just the ideology? With her videos? They started politicizing, just
(34:51):
being like, we're far right, we're holding down the right,
and we just happened to have guns like theyre. I
like how they set it up where the left are
all using knives, They're like slashing at the heart of
the thing. So that because I'm sure that's a fantasy
of every n r A member, is that they get
to face off with like some you know thug or
(35:13):
like left wing you know, hit the NPR bag full
of kale right and with with with yeah, trying to
trying to attack you with a knife so they can
just like light you up. Yeah. So again, this event
is gonna be I don't even know how the funk
everyone agreed to this. This is bigger than McGregor Mayweather
possibly who knows. But again, CNN got Dana Lows to
(35:34):
represent the n r A, who let's not forget some
of her past hot takes when she said banning the
a R fifteen would be like it's a war against
women because the most popular gun with women. So that's
a move to disarmed women. That was her take on that.
She called people who tried to curb mass shootings tragedy
dry humping horse. So I'm curious when she's in that
town hall, it's gonna be her, Marco Rubio, Bill Nelson,
(35:56):
the two centers from Florida. I think some state legislative
her uh and the victims and family members teachers community
of Parkland are going to have a town hall meeting.
I'm curious if she's gonna come with that same energy
when you're looking at a parent who's lost her child
and is asking what the n r A is where
they stand in all of this, She'll either is gonna
(36:16):
say that crazy shit because they think that's gonna work
with their base, and that would just be a disaster.
I think for like pr optics for the n r A,
or she might humming harror way through it and it's
be like, oh, well, you know, totally unprepared, or I
don't know, just be really nice and act like, oh, yes,
we hear you, we hear you. Just kind of do
that version. But I don't know, based on how she
(36:38):
talks in general, I can't really It's it's hard for
me to picture how this is gonna end up. Yeah,
unless they cancel it. I'm having a hard time picturing
how she's going to not come off as just like
the biggest villain in the history of news. But you know,
maybe maybe they have their talking points, like they One
of the talking points they're bringing out right now that
(36:59):
seems to be popular with the right wing is that
the students who are coming out and uh, you know
promoting gun control are actually either crisis actors, so actors
who traveled to different mass shootings too, uh, pretend that
they are victims so that they can you know, put
(37:20):
forward an agenda, uh that these are the same people.
They believe that Sandy Hook was all a false flag
event perpetrated by the Obama administration so that they could
get our guns, which man, that backfired for the Obama administration.
Gun control only got laxing thing. Man, they shouldn't have
killed all those children for that purposes. It just shows
(37:43):
you how far we went because I remember the Sandy
Hook and it was like a weird fringe Alex Jones
thing that even the right we're like and to see
it now like like yeah, Fox would be like no,
yeah they are, and it's like, oh my god, we
they've taken over, Like these are the Alex Jones dudes.
And really it's gonna take Republicans to nut up and
(38:05):
vote against repos. But that's the problem, and I've said
this for years, is that Democrats are willing to vote
for what they think, uh, that they believe, which is
why like we're in this position to begin with a
lot of people, um and and they get so mad
when you bring this up, but it's facts. Um, A
lot of people didn't like how Bernie was treated, and
so they voted either Green Party or I felt like
(38:27):
I felt like so many third party people were like
much louder this last election. I felt like this was
the time they thought they would do it because like
everybody hates both options, this is our moment to shine.
And I feel like we've gotten a lot of split there.
That being said, Um, Republicans don't vote against Republicans. They
just don't like no matter how much. I don't know
(38:48):
how many times I've seen people be like, I don't
really you know, but that's better than a Democrat. Like
that's their motto is it's better than a democrat. Um and.
And I feel like that that's how they've taken over,
and it's we're seeing them double down in such a
weird way. So I think we got to beat them
at their own game. I think we challenged them to
(39:08):
a fisticuffs. I'm I'm gonna put my bid in. I
will catch I will catch Denis's fade, catch me in
these Florida streets. I let's go, yeah, Denia does it
is who if people aren't on Twitter yesterday, I was
just talking ship to the actual kids whose classmates were killed,
(39:31):
who were in the school building. Uh so they yesterday,
this is our next story, so we might as well
talk about it. They went to Tallahassee to Florida you know,
town hall, uh, to the Capitol building, the Capitol Building
because they put forward this legislation or got this legislation
(39:51):
to be considered that would at least open a conversation
on changing the gun control laws in Florida and making
them a little bit more restrictive. And it got voted
down like by a wide as the children just standing
like watching crying. Um, yeah, they could have just said
fuck you literally rather than doing that vote. But I
(40:15):
guess that's that's one way to say that story got
reported and Denish just who's uh who? What? What's his background?
He's just like a felon. I don't know, Yeah, that's
what I hear. He's got all kinds of he's a
media personality. But he tweeted like adults one, children zero
and he was like, this is the worst news since
(40:36):
their parents told them that they had to get a job.
So yeah, yeah, and then he had to walk that back.
He's like, I was talking about the media. I wasn't
trying to make a joke. I'm very sorry, but you
know what, you already lost, my man. And what's crazy
is right after that vote, so he was, he was
laughing at their that the fact that the state legislature
failed to take up this bill. Then immediately after what
(40:57):
they did, they passed a resolution declaring pornography a public
health risk. That was less than an hour after that.
So Yo shout outs to all the the state legislators
over there. It's my god. And now Florida stop being
so salty when we shoot on you, like, stop being salty,
like like if you want us to, if you want
(41:18):
you know, these coastal elites to stop shipping on Florida,
do something about that. Until then, I'm going extra hard, mad,
spicy coming at you, Florida, talking about how you look
like a weird dangling everyone in Florida's dangling looks like
the state if you're right coming out there. But yeah,
it's it's uh, I mean, look, yeah, if you want
to do something, just vote and get these people the
funk out and again we'll see tonight because you're gonna see. Yeah,
(41:40):
you can see Marco Rubio, the senator there and Bill Nelson,
who's a Democrat. He might Bill Nelson might not even
have to say anything. He'll just be like, I'm gonna
just yourself. But we'll see. So is he pro guns
rights or Bill Nelson? Yeah, Bill Nelson, what's his deal?
I mean, he's the Democrat I believe. I mean, I'm
sure he's some want friendly to the n r A
(42:02):
because I mean it, let's be real, like you can't
really get into mainstream politics unless you do. But I
know that he has been vocal since the shooting that
he's like, yo, assault weapons are for killing, that you
do away with them. So I don't think he's gonna
go up there and like cape for the n r
A and anyway. I mean, at worst, he'll just probably
do some kind of lukewarm proposal about gun control. But
I mean he's for the most part, got sad in
(42:23):
the right place, got it all right. So we will
be watching that for you so that you don't have
to or check it out tonight Wednesday. We'll see you
share our thoughts tomorrow. All right, We're gonna take a
quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back.
(42:46):
And for our last story today, we wanted to talk
about a new Netflix reality show that's not normally there forte. Uh.
It is called The Push. We watched tray other for
it yesterday in the office and we we honestly couldn't
really believe what we were seeing. Um. So it's this dude,
(43:09):
Darren Brown, who is He calls himself a mentalist. He's
basically a magician who does like broad scale you know,
he'll like trick people into thinking something different than like
he he uses human sort of cognitive biases and like
blind spots to uh, you know, trick people and do
(43:29):
crazy tricks. Um. And so his gambit here is that
he has set up like a fake sort of candid
camera style thing in which he is trying to get
somebody to murder another person. Uh. And he's basically gaslighting
them into thinking that they're murdering someone. And uh, we
(43:53):
we follow this unwitting person as you know, they are
made to think that they've just poison someone and then
they're disposing of the body and then at the end.
The reason it's called The Push is because at the end,
a the victim has come back from the dead and
(44:14):
you know, was not totally dead, and now the victim
is going to tell on them if they don't kill him,
if they don't like push him off the side of
the building. So in the final scene, the unwitting victim
has to stand on the roof and decide whether or
not to push this person off the roof. And I
(44:35):
don't know, so the big question is does he push
them or not? And you know, does he commit murder
or not. This is just a fucking just a crazy
show in general, right, because if you just wanted to
sell things, it's just called Darren Brown will gaslight a
person into murdering somebody? Uh? And yeah, yeah, he's done
shipped like this before where he got the dude to
(44:57):
electrocut to getting his side of metal box or if
so he thought he was uh and then also played
Russian Roulette on live TV. But that was a magic trick.
These are all like obviously fake, but yeah, jm R. Writer.
He also mentioned that this show already happened, happened in
the UK. Again. Netflix is doing their thing where they're
licensing something that already happened and they're like, oh, coming soon.
(45:19):
So the ship is on YouTube already. Yeah, it's on YouTube.
It only has five thousand views, which is probably why
they thought, oh, we can go ahead and just replay
this and nobody will notice. Um our writer says, it's
kind of like if that movie The Game was an
episode of the Jamie Kennedy Experiment, which is really the
vibe that it has. Um It seems like the next
(45:40):
level of reality TV, sort of the reality TV already
sort of the dregs of humanity is now going to
that next step where they're actually at least convincing someone
that they're killing someone. That the climax of the show
is will this guy murder someone? Or won't he? And
(46:00):
that's our entertainment now, even if it's real or fake.
But like that's the vehicle that's powering it. And look,
uh spoiler alert for this show in case you want
to watch it, so avert your ears for this next
thirty seconds. We we found out at the end of
the actual thing that happens, the dude doesn't kill he doesn't,
(46:20):
but then Darren Brown shows him like, well I got
three other people to do it, right, So it's just weird.
That's the turn the guy we've been following doesn't push
the guy who's again all right, So this is the
weird thing for me, is the person who he's deciding
whether or not to murder is just sitting on the
edge of a building looking off at the horizon, perfectly still,
(46:41):
while like they're making up their mind, like what do
they think is happening? Why do they think the dude
is just sitting there on the edge of a building,
not moving, And then when they push him, he like
doesn't scream. So it's just I think there must be
some explanations, like, well, we gave him the sedative. But
then it's weird, like if all these other people are
down to kill him, like why aren't they killing him?
(47:02):
Like why does it have to be this guy. I'm
sure they will explain that because it's the work of
like seventy plus actors around this guy to create the
situation to slowly be like, hey, man, you don't have
a choice. This guy's a millionaire. If he tells his story,
he's gonna know we try to cover up a murder
and then you're going to jail. So you gotta kill him.
It's it's him or you. Uh, and three other people
do it, and the guy who we followed doesn't do it.
(47:25):
But so those three people are just now known throughout
the UK as murderers, as people who would were just hey,
fuck it, baby, I don't know, or it's it was
a failure because they didn't get the result they wanted,
and like any good reality show producer, you have contingency
plans and you're like, well, what we can do is
just shoot a package a video package to throw too
(47:45):
to be like, well, these other people did it, so
people who are watching don't feel totally let down, because really,
when you watch this, you're gonna be like, oh, ship,
this dude is gonna kill somebody, and when he doesn't, yeah,
it's probably you want to give them the satisfaction. Well,
these three other people, who you didn't see the whole
time wich probably would have made a better show if
you're sick enough to want to see this that they did.
So my question is how do you go back into
(48:08):
the real world after that? Like after that, like it's like, oh,
this is fake, Like I remember I'm in this, you
have to look for it, but I'm in the Chevy
commercial and the contet. Yeah, yeah, No, it's not like
it's one of those like we got a sample of
regular people and it's like we're gonna show you this
tin man thing. And immediately when I got there, I
(48:29):
was like something's up, Like I don't get this, and
I hate being scared, so I thought it was like
some kind of like scared playing show. But they're like, yeah,
we're gonna show you this movie. He's the Aluminum Man,
and then like so then they're asking everyone like what
do they think of aluminiums as a power? And everyone's like,
oh nah, they want us to shoot on this, and
then the Aluminum Man is gonna comeut and be like
oh yeah, I was talking. So I was so scared,
(48:52):
and like you can see in the front they they're
like all right, we're gonna do it. They shut all
the lights off and it's like the in and then
like they draw the curtain, but there's like that pop
to drop it and you just see like someone going
like jump up. That's me because I thought like this
is when he's coming out. And it was just the
fucking forward commercial to be like to shoot on like
the aluminate cars and like steals the material. But I
(49:14):
was so like, I was like, oh no, this is fishing,
We'll see. The difference is like you're in the business
and your round production, so it's easier for you to
smell ship than maybe some unsuspected person. But that's why
I'm curious, Like I don't know. I mean, I know
Darren Brown, like from various YouTube clips and you know
the u K s I can I know you're out there.
I don't know this guy total cock, Like is he
like David Blaine where people here like, oh, yeah, David
(49:37):
Blaine's whatever. I mean, he's interesting, or people like, you know,
Darren Brown's piece of shit? Because that would be imagine
though if you really did do go through it that
I don't know how you would actually recover because like
the moments they do have if everything is real, even
if this mark is their actual person, this guy looks
like he's really having to weigh the pros and cons
(49:57):
And am I gonna push this human being off a building?
And then do you have any legal recourse after that?
Be like, hey, my man, like you gotta pay for
these therapy sessions, right, And I don't care if that
was fake. I still feel like I pushed a guy
off a building. Yeah, my life is over. I'll never
be hired for a job again. And the people who
supposedly did commit murder or believe they were committing murder
(50:21):
or just like wow, I really learned a lesson about
how I should not go along with people. Boy do
I have egg on my face? Like I just murdered
a person, and my family and everyone who's ever loved
me just saw it. That's like even worse as like, hey,
were you ever convicted of a phlony? You know, in
a job and be like I've seen you in a
clip be coerced into murder? Uh, And I know that's
(50:43):
in your bag your tool. Kid, better not reject any
job we give you. Because so welcome to the Urban Outfit,
all right? That is going to do it for today's episode.
If he it has been a pleasure as always having you.
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Do you have any songs or anything to write us
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out on? Oh, you know what, let's play a little
bit of Black Panther. Uh the soundtrack to score actually, uh,
in honor of if He's really wonderful Kill Monger, Garb
the Drag Hill Manger. That's a little something, just a vibe,
because you know, the score was actually really great for
the film as well. I think that's something a lot
of people don't talk about because of the soundtrack. Sounddrack
is great, but the score is actually really good. To
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write textures or like percussive and the percussion used. If
you're all into you know, music and sounds, I would
do to score as well, So chew on that. If
you're into sounds, listen to M Yeah, and that's gonna
do it for today. We will be back tomorrow because
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like that with your Wakanda body was that recently, Yeah,
that was yesterday. I never seen. I'm like, well, I
don't have a Oh my gosh, like I've been my
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gym membership like has been clocking in since seeing Michael B.
I was like, man, because it's funny because my goals
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if you want something from your seach history that's revealing
about who you are. Kaiju plural because my buddies doing
(03:00):
this like death Jaguar toy Kickstarter and I was doing like, hey,
you guys like kaijus and I was like, I feel
like kaijus isn't how you would say it. So I
looked up kaiju plural and it's just kaiju multiple kaiju. Yeah,
because there's no like in Japanese kaiju just means the
biggest monster. Yeah, that's that super close to the definition.
(03:20):
I was like, yeah, it's a giant great, yeah, yeah
you with kaiju. Yeah, y'a fo with kaiju. Definitely kaiju. Yeah,
it's this Pacific rim specific or just toys that like Godilla,
you know, and he's making like Godzilla toys. Well, he's
just making a specific So there was this character called
Death Jaguar, which was this like robot because I guess
(03:43):
back in the day, Godzilla had a contest where people
can submit a new Kaiju to for Godzilla to fight.
And this kid made this like robot called death Jaguar
and uh it was a scientist made it, and someone
stole it and made him evil and now he's like good,
he's he's really cool looking, like I feel like, just
(04:03):
a big gass jaguar. Uh No, he's like a robot face.
Like he's like a it's almost like an ultraman looking
joint and it's so so Yeah, I'm trying to look
and I can't find it, but I wanna believe you.
Look up, that's Jaguar. Hi. Yeah, try that? Okay. Yeah,
(04:23):
what's something that's underrated? Oh? Man, underrated? I think I'm
gonna go with just to stay topical with you know.
I felt like there was a lot of meme reaction
meme hate. I feel like I feel like, yeah, I
feel like that's underrated because I've been in a lot
of like rooms with comics who like hate the internet
culture of jokes and I I've been the internet bait
(04:45):
before a while. Like I was like, before I was
this sounds so dumb, But I was using memes before
they were cool. I was in I was I was
sifting through b going through all the races as to
get my hot, spicy memes, you know, back when they're
just inspirational photos, and I think people like, look, I
was like, oh, it's dumb. But it's like I finally
was able to look at it and be like, oh,
(05:06):
it's just inside jokes. And that's why they're so popular
is because because people are like, oh, I get this.
It's just like a callback that you do in stand up. Also,
I feel like, um, there's like when you go through
Twitter moments, you see so many of them, Like you
don't do numbers until you're in Twitter moments. Like they're
popular not before that, but because they're Because I had
(05:27):
a tweet going to Twitter moments and I think I
had maybe like seven to ten retweets, and then it
it went in Twitter moments. I was feeling I was
feeling good. You couldn't tell me nothing for a few hours.
I got a tweet doing number Yeah, but it's just
it and I think the key as like comedy people
is instead of rejecting that and being like that's a
(05:48):
weird thing, I don't think it's funny as finding how
to like even make it better because you're the common guy.
We're funny here. Well, you know, we just speak differently
millennials and you know, and a picture is worth a
thousand words, which is why memes work so well because
it can sum up so much ship in a photo.
Oh yeah, it's creating new vocabulary basically yeah, without using
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words so less. I don't know anyway, cool, yeah, mad cool.
What's something that's over overrated is um And I feel
like I'm bringing this back. I've said it before, but
I want to reiterate it now. Is shifting on movies.
That was like the one of the worst Black Panther
takes h I've seen by I don't even want to
give this guy any any air, but like it proves
(06:34):
my point in saying his name, Like his YouTube is
your movie sucks and and it's like that that lets
you know, like that's his thing is He's like, I'm
a fine, I'm gonna talk about how sucking movie is.
Like that's easy, Like I can go to a five
year old and he can tell me why something stucks.
You can tell me he that's easy. What I think
what would be impressive is breaking down why a movie's bad,
(06:55):
like using actual points and ways that it things, that
it was successful that and how it could be better,
because that takes actual knowledge. Just shipping on a movie
is so easy. But like so many YouTube quote unquote
reviewers do that and like pat themselves on the back
as if they look smart. It's it's the age old
trick of being like if I shoot on something that
(07:17):
then I then then I seem smart, But it's not true.
It's easy to say, oh, well this didn't have the
thing I liked, so which is which is a cast
full of white people? Analysis? Uh yeah, Well one of
the movies that has been shipped on the most here
on the Daily Zeygeist just three billboards outside of Ebbing, Missouri,
(07:37):
which is up for some Best Picture uh Oscars this year.
And uh there there was a take by Wesley Morris
that I talked about a couple of weeks ago on
his podcast where they talked about how it wasn't successful
and it wasn't a realistic depiction of America, but then
they used that critique to then like jump off into
(07:59):
this really interesting conversation about sort of that's how American
pop culture, like an American culture just exists in this
sort of weird hyper reality nether region. Uh and yeah,
even shitty movies. Like one of my favorite movies to
talk about is Rocky four and that is not like
objectively a great movie, but it's fucking like a really
(08:23):
interesting movie for a lot of reasons. Yeah, um, I
love that. Take that. That's one of my favorites. That
sounds super interesting. All Right. We are trying to take
a sample of what people are thinking and talking about
right now, and the way we like to open that
conversation up is by asking our guests what is a myth?
What's something that people believe to be true that is
not The myth is if you dislike black panther, you're
(08:46):
a racist. I feel like I've been seeing this and
I feel like it's such a weird And that goes
back to that guy I was talking about, because that's
been what's been driving a lot of these like edge
lords of being like, oh, people are saying if you
don't like this, No one's saying that it's like a
few fringe, you know, takes that no one's taking seriously
that it's easier for you to buck against that and
(09:07):
to be honest, it's like, no, no, we don't care,
Like like black people would have been totally fine if
all white people were like, oh, we didn't, like we
expected that Black people went into Black Panther expecting white
people to hate it because we knew it was made
for us and that's the beauty of it. It's like, no,
Ryan Coogler wasn't trying to make I mean, he was
(09:28):
trying to make a good movie that you know, was
that everyone liked, but he wasn't trying to make it
for you, Like there are lines in there. That's why
I like one take that I heard from someone who
was like a non black person of color. They were like,
you know, some of the lines seemed forced, and it's
like that's a take of someone who who it just
wasn't for because I'm sure it was all the like, well,
(09:52):
well no, no, that was a solid joke. I think
it was lines like whereas like all people come from here,
so aren't what Condon's all your people like? It's yeah,
I feel like if you're not black, you don't realize
the power of Like in a Disney movie, we are
like letting it be known that yes, people come from Africa.
This is a scientific fact that is often forgotten or
ignored or used Christianity to try and pretend like it
(10:14):
doesn't exist. And or like lines like you know, um,
sorry if you haven't seen it. I'm not gonna say
the plot points. I'm just gonna say the lines, which
don't give any plot points a lot, but it's like
you know, or the line bury me in the ocean
because like my ancestors knew that death was better than
bondage like that. I feel like like some dork like
(10:35):
who is not black is like, oh that just because
it's like no, that's yeah, that's anything about oppression that yeah.
So it's so funny. And and even the secondary like
sub myth to this is that black panther isn't a
big deal. It's like and it's so it's so many
like neck beauty white guys who are like it's not
(10:57):
a big deer, like how would you even know? How
would you be again to understand what's a big deal
for black people when you're not black? Like that's the
fun that's the hubrist of white men. That's gonna be
a lot of my thesis this year is the Hubrists
of white men. And I was talking about this with
Brody and he was saying, it's just because like everything
they've been taught is that they have a universal point
(11:18):
of view that they have that you as a white dude,
and and in this philosophy class that you've taken, has
taught you that, like you've been able to make this
unbiased universal point of view. But it's it's not you
don't have the experiences to make an educated decision. You
do not have the experiences around you, probably don't even
have enough black friends to be able to be like, oh,
(11:39):
this is important to black people. And it's more than
because there's a lot of black people in the movie.
It's it's it's because of the themes within it and
like what it really means and signaling even a shift
in how films are made. And you know Coogler getting
the largest budget for an African American director and then
paying back tenfold, like, yo, the floodgates are about to
open because Hollywood response to money and there you go, Hendy,
(12:02):
there's your profits. Also, I have a question for you
because you are a Nigerian and I was talking yesterday
about how like Wakanda definitely. I think what some people
don't understand is like Wakanda is this sort of fantasy
world because the idea of Africa's little nebulous for African Americans.
So Africa is less abstract to you because you're African American.
Uh in like the most literal sense. Did that change? How?
(12:23):
I mean, like you're saying people take from what they will,
But I'm just curious for you what that was. Like. Well,
I feel like there's like two points that could be
made with with what you just asked. I feel like
there's one point in the first thing you said, where
like Africa's kind of nebulous to African Americans, Like you know,
a lot of Africa like us. It took me a
while to realize how kind of blessed I was to
(12:45):
be able to trace back my roots on one side
of my family. A lot of African Americans just can't,
you know, like you and and especially African Americans and
white spaces get to hear they're like white friends be like, oh,
you know my family comes from but you know, the
never and yeah, like they get to trace it back
pretty far and black people don't get that. So I
(13:06):
feel like that's why it's that's another level to why
it's important, because it's like, you know, this fictional place,
Yes it's fictional, but it's somewhere we can be like, yeah,
this is this is ancestry dot com your way back
to Africa. Yeah. And so I feel like a lot
of Africans, a lot of ship head Africans, have been like, oh,
you know, why don't you learn about your actual roots?
And I feel like that comes from a place of
(13:26):
just true ignorance. Like I like, you know, when I
was in my twenties, you know, I kind of had
this like that same kind of feeling where and it's
really just being selfish, just making it about you where
it's like, why you want to care about Africa? Care
about me? Like care about where I'm from? And I think,
to really approach your question for me, I'm my dad's Nigerian,
(13:47):
my mom's from Louisiana, so I like I'm a half
African kill monger. Same thing. So the way I took
that movie was kind of approaching it from like that
kind of psyche of how it is and trying to
fit in with your community even though you were seen
as another because you are half. And I spoke to
my friend Opie, who both his parents are Nigerian, and
(14:07):
he saw another thing and I and I definitely want to,
you know, give Opie, he's a Nigerian comic. I'm going
to take what he said because I think it's a
good point. He was saying he felt the vibranium was
a allegory for culture. How he feels like Africans from Africa.
You know, we didn't have resources to give to black people,
but we didn't extend our hand and give them the culture.
(14:30):
We kind of viewed African Americans as together. And you
see it in the way that some Africans do associate
with black people, and you like who was talking about
like the and I didn't even know this, mostly because
my dad married an American, but Nigerians have a word
called gota, which is like a derogatory term for African Americans,
Like like, that's because they're looking at them as they're
(14:53):
wasting the opportunity and completely ignoring the systematic oppression and
everything else that came. They see us as lazy. And
it's also part of the kind of um uh, model
minority treatment that a lot of Africans get because a
lot of Africans come out here that get to go
to like Ivy League schools, and that's kind of been
a big thing where like colleges are disproportionately accepting African
(15:19):
Africans but not African Americans. And it's just that model
minority kind of cyclical thing that's going on that we
also have to address. You know, guys see Black Panthers
much more nuanced. I don't know people walk walked into
that movie and thinking having these conversations after the fact.
But yeah, it's good, Yeah, glad to get your perspective
on that. Yeah, and uh, just to your point, Ryan
(15:40):
Coogler released a letter this morning saying, you know, just
expressing gratitude for everybody who saw it, but saying, you know,
never in a million years did we imagine that all
these people would come out and see a movie about
a fictional country on the continent of Africa made up
of a cast of people of African descent. Um. But yeah,
the response has been impressive and just a lot of
(16:04):
the conversations that I feel like a spring up around it,
like the one you guys just had to have been
really more interesting than the conversations that sprang up around
a lot of movies. Well, it's it's just yeah, it
forces a little bit of reflection for sure, especially when
you watch a movie, like the only conversations you're having
after Batman versus Superman is like, man, how crazy would
it be if our mom's at the same name. You know,
(16:26):
it's like no, man, yeah, I'm not here, Like do
you little ship? Like yeah, because's funny like when I
went to Ghana, Uh, my dad who was black, they
call him o' bruni, which in Ghana and that's just
means white man. But again, that sort of goes back
to the perception of African Americans from Africans, and they
thought I was Arab, so they kept insisting I was there.
But again, yeah, it's it's it's very interesting that there
(16:47):
there are so many levels of perception of blackness and
things like that. So also, yeah, guy, before you you
come in with your hot take, just realized this is
a very nuanced topic. It's not just that it's a
it's a black movie and everybody's up in arms. It's
a it's signaling many other things to many different people.
All Right, let's get into other stories that are going
on right now. This one is not about uh explicitly
(17:13):
like all in the background in a way about Wakonda.
The Reverend Billy Graham has passed away. Uh. He brought
Christianity to the masses in America or like brought it
back after the Scopes monkey trial. Uh. And you know
the Christian Church taking a giant l in the public
(17:36):
forum on that one. Uh. He sort of brought it
back and was like, it's okay to be Christian. You know,
these values are good things, and he really focused on
the better part of uh, you know that ethos. Uh.
There is a thing that I had I wasn't fully
aware of a tape that was released in two thousand two.
(17:57):
Uh that is pretty shocking. So he had a conversation
with Nixon, and somebody was there for it had said
he said all these anti Semitic things, and Billy Graham
had always just said no, I didn't uh, And people
were like, okay, well he wouldn't lie. He is basically uh,
modern Jesus. And then in two thousand two tape came
(18:20):
out because Nixon recorded fucking everything and uh, This is
what Billy Graham said. He said they're the ones. So
he was speaking about Jewish people in America. He said,
they're the ones putting out the pornographic stuff. Uh, the
Jewish stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's
(18:43):
going down the drain. I go, and I keep friends
with Mr Rosenthal at the New York Times and people
of that sort. That was the publisher. I think of
the New York Times at the time, and people of
that sort, you know. And all I mean, not all
the Jews, but a lot of the Jews were a
great friend of mine. They swarm around me and are
(19:04):
friendly to me because they know that I'm friendly with Israel.
But they don't know how I really feel about what
they're doing to this country. And I have no power,
no way to handle them. But I would stand up
if under proper circumstances. So it's like it is. It's
a tough one to overcome because it's him being like
(19:24):
And I would never tell them this in public. That's
usually the smoking gun quote because usually they'll say the
top part and they won't be like. But what they
don't know is that you're always like, damn if I
just had that, and he's saying they don't know is
given the right circumstances, I would wow. Well, look, he
was the like spiritual advisor for many presidents. I think
(19:45):
what he was the closest with Nixon, but had been
invited to the White House, but from pretty much every
president up until even Obama, because he was seen as
like this sort of at least the good side of
what like I guess evangel I don't know here was evangelical.
I believe yea that when it was still sort of
good natured and then uh it perversion began the religious right,
(20:06):
and I think, I know, like Billy Graham had, people
are only sharing quotes, like only good quotes about him,
saying like I think if the Christianity was married with
social conservative that would be the end or something like that,
when people like see, you see he was a good guy,
which I'm sure you had great ideas. I'm not particularly familiar.
I just remember that specific things when you're talking about
talk about Bill Graham, like the weird stuff he said
about Jewish people, Um um, yeah, Look, he was a
(20:27):
big figure in the United States. Yeah. But one thing
I will say is Nixon is the originator of keeping
on the receipts. I feel like, you know, that's been
What's weird is that Trumpians have figured out a way
around receipts by just denying it, like once they figured
out that their base will just take that, Like I
feel because I feel like the first time it was done,
(20:49):
they're like no. When their base was like, well he
said no, He's like, oh, thank god, these people are idiot,
you know, totally. Um. There was there was an article
Jewish Week titled how Jews should think about Reverend Graham's legacy,
And I think it's as good a testament to you know,
(21:11):
his message or what he preached, because you know, they
mentioned his quotes, but then they say, you know, we
would have liked for him not to have said that,
but but that should not blind us to his constructive words,
which benefited all religions, including our own. Many of his
statements and actions were in sync both with many in
Latin jews Own attitudes to religion and to the role
(21:33):
that religion should play in the town square, and he
specifically opposed like there was a big Southern Baptist pushed
to convert Jews and Muslims in the nineties and he
was like, no, like that's fucking awful. Let's let's not
do that. So yeah, he really came out in surprising
(21:55):
ways like for some some progressive values. It we don't
currently associate with Southern Baptist Christians. And it's just that,
you know, this one quote that is pretty problematic. Um
so that's an interesting, complicated legacy. Uh, we are going
(22:17):
to take a quick break and we will be right back,
and we're back and uh so there's been a lot
of focus on Russian bots of late. Uh. Thirteen Russians
(22:39):
and a couple of organizations were indicted by the Muller
investigation on Friday, and um, you know, it has come
out now that we know who to specifically look at
and what organizations were specifically the Russian bots, that's come
out that yes, they were definitely trying to help the
Trump campaign win the two thousand and sixteen election, but
(23:03):
they were kind of all over the place and they
continue to be all over the place. Uh, right up
until the school shooting last week in Florida. Um, you know,
they were immediately targeting uh you know, both sides of
that debate. They were pushing, you know, the idea that
guns should be banned and you know, just liberal talking points,
(23:26):
which I don't know. It is kind of a it's
a weird thing to learn that, uh, you know, they're
targeting that some of the things that you believe. Like
I looked and I had not retweeted any Russian bots,
which was good, Um, but just did you do the
thing where you can find out if you did? Yeah? Well,
I I also don't really retweet people who I'm not
(23:48):
who I'm not familiar with. Remember that. But yeah, I
mean you can go and there's a website that is
like tracking basically the specific we're gonna zations to watch
out for it. Um. But I guess, I mean that's
that's that's the point of the playing both sides is
like if you get both fired up, then nobody will
get along and there you go, chaos achieved. And I
(24:11):
think for a example of how best to respond if
you do find out that you have been retweeting a bot. Um,
this is a good example. CNN went and spoke to
a woman who had led a pro Trump uh you
know rally I think, and you know Facebook group and
(24:32):
they were like, yeah, that Facebook group that you helped
lead was actually put together by Russian boats. And her
response was, I think a lesson for us all. But
did you realize that you guys were in communication electronically
with Russian You were posting stuff on the Facebook? Heilary
(24:52):
Clinton was, and so was all horror bandits some of
the stuff that you were in charge of the Facebook,
you were posting and reposting almost word for word the
information that was coming out of this internet research agency
in St. Petersburg. You don't believe that he had a
(25:19):
pretty interesting strategy here making sure that this interview takes
place right in front of a car whose alarm can't
stop going off to really just you know, I'm like,
oh what am I listening to the alarm of this lady?
I mean it shows you too, like that would look
like an elderly retiree in Florida or whoever it was
(25:40):
um who had probably a lot of time living on
Facebook and got caught up in, you know, just posting
her hot takes and thinking that she was organizing for
real patriots and then when they're like, oh are you doing,
uh what group? Was it like very patriotic? She's like, yes,
I'm very patriotic. He's like, no, that's the Russian Facebook
group that you were talking to. No, was basically with
(26:01):
the Russians. I just I mean, like, at this point,
it just feels so hard to like, you know, I
try and be like I'm trying to be chilled, dude.
The New two thousand and eighteen is like me trying
to be you know, understanding really you know, not not
talk as spicy. It's hard not to talk spicy when
like you, it seems like all of Trump supporters are
(26:24):
this way where they're just like no, no, like I
just need one Trump supporters like look, oh damn, I'm
a garbage dude. I'm sorry, my dude, Like you know,
you know, with garbage. You see this red hat, you know,
make America great again. I love garbage, you know. I'm
I'm trying to last each other with muskets, like I
want a R fifteen is gone to like I want
to get back to pump and looking like I'm jerking
it before I blastombody, you know, but in a way
(26:47):
like I get this woman because that's some ship for
someone to hit you with the Hey, do you know
that you were unwittingly working with Russia's like you I
wouldn't even be like, yeah, you are lean but actually,
I mean, to her credit, she could have said you
are because CNN did cover a rally in the aftermath
of Trump's inauguration, Like there was the giant million woman
(27:13):
uh you know protests and uh demonstration across America. There
was also a Russian organized specific protest that CNN and
MSNBC managed to find that one and cover it and
be like, so what do you guys think? And they're like,
Trump has weaponized this country, like just very Uh you
could tell the talking points weren't like quite there. They
(27:36):
weren't things that like people actually believed. But uh yeah,
so I mean CNN got caught up in that ship too.
So I don't know, I don't know how good I
feel about them going down and being like, oh, yeah,
well we found this idiot in the front yard. I
don't think that was a good tactic to blow someone's mind,
is to roll up on them in front of their house.
(27:57):
And and I think it's about you know, like it
would be like a family intervention or something where you're like, mom,
we actually do have any information Grandma that you were
fucking with bots. But I mean, I know, so many
people whose parents like they they saw their parents sharing
ship like this on Facebook and had to do that.
And you know, that's a conversation that America has had
(28:18):
to have with their parents or uncles or you know,
been like, look, I know that's what you want to believe,
but it's just not true. So I don't know. And
I'm not saying you're evil for doing this because you
just thought this was news or whatever it was true,
but we're just I'm just trying to show you how
easy that ship is, right, Yeah, it's because we're in
(28:39):
like the third wave of Internet. The Internet is fascinating
to me just because of like we're the last generation
who will have lived before the Internet. And I remember
like very early on my dad, my dad, like uncles
would not funk with it. They didn't care, like that's
a kids thing, that's what you do. Like, And then
(28:59):
I remember more, yeah, and then you had my Space.
They still weren't like they were doing checking emails, but
like like the concept, Like I remember asking my dad
to help me get something from eBay. He was like what, no,
like it's trash. Then like then my Space happened and
I was like, all right, what y'all doing on there,
you know, and then they kind of started infiltrating my space.
Then we fled to Facebook, and then that's yeah, that's
(29:22):
what's so funny is people don't remember we fled to
Facebook because we wanted to get away from our parents
on my space like that in our parents. Yeah, our
parents gentrified my Space. We went to Facebook, which it's
big selling point was you can only sign up with
the college I hacked that your boy didn't go to college.
(29:45):
I joined there, and then like our parents came and
there was the first initially oh my gosh, but then
people were like, actually, it's kind of cool to check
in my grandma, and so you're getting all these people
like and I feel like that's when our parents kind
of got involved in our parents, Like now my dad
is like flipping laptops on eBay and just like like
he's just straight up in it. And I think now
(30:05):
it's like our grandparents are kind of like, all right, well,
I think so, And it's kind of now the first wave,
which is us the millennials, who kind of already are
well aware like this is fake, this is fake, this
isn't real, this isn't and then the second Wave, I
think isn't all the way there yet, and the third
wave is there and they're like everything that the same.
(30:28):
How if the internet lies, how can I see my
grandson on on the beach on Facebook exactly? How you
can't lie on the internet, right, Yeah, that's a really
good point. I mean, there were there were those stories
in the aftermath of the election being like, we need
to teach our children media literacy so they know what
is true and what's not. It's like the children, it's
not it's you. We're the ones fucking with you half
(30:48):
the time. I know. I mean, I'm yo. When Jurassic
Park came out, I straight up told my grandmother it
was real, and she believed it. My mom yelled at
me because she was like, what did your say INSTAGRAMA,
this is all Japanese. But she was like she was old.
You know, she was born right for the Titanic sink.
And I guess that's the same kind of thing. Is
that sort of Their guard is an up like ours is.
(31:09):
So it's easy to be like, well, it's on this thing,
this screen because they grew up in a world where
people who had access to media were like ordained, like
being like actual journalists or giving facts. So it's like
it's the Internet though, right they did not have that
built in sort of guard yea, yeah, yeah. I think
to have a clear example of this, I learned my
lesson that the Internet doesn't lie back when the FBI
(31:32):
came to my house when I was trying to have cybersex.
When I was in I'd say, I have to be
like to be like an eighth grade And it wasn't
until because I tell that story now, I told the
story on my comedy album and now I'm at an
age where I was like, oh, there was never a
girl like I was cybersexing with FBI. So were you
(31:57):
lying and saying you were older? No? I was, I was.
They just said the language I was using was advanced
for my age. So you know your boy, your boy
was spicy with so they thought you were posing as
an eighth grader. Your cyber stroke was that that they
showed up. But I'm like because like it was kind
(32:18):
of like that Kaiser. So's a moment where like I
was like, wait, she disappeared after after a while, never
came back. And then when the dude and I felt
back because the FBI, I was like, and he was like, yeah,
we already like talked to the girl. And I was like,
I was like, you know, no, No, They're like yeah,
I was hold Smith, but I was this if he
(32:38):
was away, Man, he's very advanced. I just wonder if
the agent misses me right, like he just got into
deep agents, Like, hey, man, can you talk to my
wife for me? Yeah? What was some that stuff you
said to open up with? Um? So where were we?
One of the things that the Russian boats, like I said,
we're spending on was the uncontrolled debate, which seems like
(33:01):
a waste of resources because uh, you don't need to
sew discord that the chord is going to dis it some.
It is a hotly contested conversation and we think it
might get hotter tonight because there is a upcoming media
event that seems almost too crazy to be true. But
(33:24):
CNN is basically sponsoring this conversation between the Parkland students
and community and that crazy n R A woman from
like the n R A videos who just like comes
out hot. I think we have some We are witnesses
to the most ruthless attack on a president and the
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people who voted for him, and the free system that
allowed it to happen in American history, from the highest
levels of government to their media, universities and billionaires. They're hateful.
Defiance of his legitimacy is an insult to each of us.
But the ultimate insult is that they think we're so
stupid that will let them get away with it. These saboteurs,
(34:08):
slashing away with their leaks and sneers, their phony accusations
and gagging sanctimony, drive their daggers through the heart of
our future, poisoning our belief that honest custody of our
institutions will ever again be possible, so they can then
build their utopia from the ashes of what they burned down. No,
(34:30):
their fate will be failure, and they will perish in
the political flames of their own fires. We are the
National Rifle Association of America and we are freedom's safest place.
What does that have to do with guns? Was it
just the ideology? With her videos? They started politicizing, just
(34:51):
being like, we're far right, we're holding down the right,
and we just happened to have guns like theyre. I
like how they set it up where the left are
all using knives, They're like slashing at the heart of
the thing. So that because I'm sure that's a fantasy
of every n r A member, is that they get
to face off with like some you know thug or
(35:13):
like left wing you know, hit the NPR bag full
of kale right and with with with yeah, trying to
trying to attack you with a knife so they can
just like light you up. Yeah. So again, this event
is gonna be I don't even know how the funk
everyone agreed to this. This is bigger than McGregor Mayweather
possibly who knows. But again, CNN got Dana Lows to
(35:34):
represent the n r A, who let's not forget some
of her past hot takes when she said banning the
a R fifteen would be like it's a war against
women because the most popular gun with women. So that's
a move to disarmed women. That was her take on that.
She called people who tried to curb mass shootings tragedy
dry humping horse. So I'm curious when she's in that
town hall, it's gonna be her, Marco Rubio, Bill Nelson,
(35:56):
the two centers from Florida. I think some state legislative
her uh and the victims and family members teachers community
of Parkland are going to have a town hall meeting.
I'm curious if she's gonna come with that same energy
when you're looking at a parent who's lost her child
and is asking what the n r A is where
they stand in all of this, She'll either is gonna
(36:16):
say that crazy shit because they think that's gonna work
with their base, and that would just be a disaster.
I think for like pr optics for the n r A,
or she might humming harror way through it and it's
be like, oh, well, you know, totally unprepared, or I
don't know, just be really nice and act like, oh, yes,
we hear you, we hear you. Just kind of do
that version. But I don't know, based on how she
(36:38):
talks in general, I can't really It's it's hard for
me to picture how this is gonna end up. Yeah,
unless they cancel it. I'm having a hard time picturing
how she's going to not come off as just like
the biggest villain in the history of news. But you know,
maybe maybe they have their talking points, like they One
of the talking points they're bringing out right now that
(36:59):
seems to be popular with the right wing is that
the students who are coming out and uh, you know
promoting gun control are actually either crisis actors, so actors
who traveled to different mass shootings too, uh, pretend that
they are victims so that they can you know, put
(37:20):
forward an agenda, uh that these are the same people.
They believe that Sandy Hook was all a false flag
event perpetrated by the Obama administration so that they could
get our guns, which man, that backfired for the Obama administration.
Gun control only got laxing thing. Man, they shouldn't have
killed all those children for that purposes. It just shows
(37:43):
you how far we went because I remember the Sandy
Hook and it was like a weird fringe Alex Jones
thing that even the right we're like and to see
it now like like yeah, Fox would be like no,
yeah they are, and it's like, oh my god, we
they've taken over, Like these are the Alex Jones dudes.
And really it's gonna take Republicans to nut up and
(38:05):
vote against repos. But that's the problem, and I've said
this for years, is that Democrats are willing to vote
for what they think, uh, that they believe, which is
why like we're in this position to begin with a
lot of people, um and and they get so mad
when you bring this up, but it's facts. Um, A
lot of people didn't like how Bernie was treated, and
so they voted either Green Party or I felt like
(38:27):
I felt like so many third party people were like
much louder this last election. I felt like this was
the time they thought they would do it because like
everybody hates both options, this is our moment to shine.
And I feel like we've gotten a lot of split there.
That being said, Um, Republicans don't vote against Republicans. They
just don't like no matter how much. I don't know
(38:48):
how many times I've seen people be like, I don't
really you know, but that's better than a Democrat. Like
that's their motto is it's better than a democrat. Um and.
And I feel like that that's how they've taken over,
and it's we're seeing them double down in such a
weird way. So I think we got to beat them
at their own game. I think we challenged them to
(39:08):
a fisticuffs. I'm I'm gonna put my bid in. I
will catch I will catch Denis's fade, catch me in
these Florida streets. I let's go, yeah, Denia does it
is who if people aren't on Twitter yesterday, I was
just talking ship to the actual kids whose classmates were killed,
(39:31):
who were in the school building. Uh so they yesterday,
this is our next story, so we might as well
talk about it. They went to Tallahassee to Florida you know,
town hall, uh, to the Capitol building, the Capitol Building
because they put forward this legislation or got this legislation
(39:51):
to be considered that would at least open a conversation
on changing the gun control laws in Florida and making
them a little bit more restrictive. And it got voted
down like by a wide as the children just standing
like watching crying. Um, yeah, they could have just said
fuck you literally rather than doing that vote. But I
(40:15):
guess that's that's one way to say that story got
reported and Denish just who's uh who? What? What's his background?
He's just like a felon. I don't know, Yeah, that's
what I hear. He's got all kinds of he's a
media personality. But he tweeted like adults one, children zero
and he was like, this is the worst news since
(40:36):
their parents told them that they had to get a job.
So yeah, yeah, and then he had to walk that back.
He's like, I was talking about the media. I wasn't
trying to make a joke. I'm very sorry, but you
know what, you already lost, my man. And what's crazy
is right after that vote, so he was, he was
laughing at their that the fact that the state legislature
failed to take up this bill. Then immediately after what
(40:57):
they did, they passed a resolution declaring pornography a public
health risk. That was less than an hour after that.
So Yo shout outs to all the the state legislators
over there. It's my god. And now Florida stop being
so salty when we shoot on you, like, stop being salty,
like like if you want us to, if you want
(41:18):
you know, these coastal elites to stop shipping on Florida,
do something about that. Until then, I'm going extra hard, mad,
spicy coming at you, Florida, talking about how you look
like a weird dangling everyone in Florida's dangling looks like
the state if you're right coming out there. But yeah,
it's it's uh, I mean, look, yeah, if you want
to do something, just vote and get these people the
funk out and again we'll see tonight because you're gonna see. Yeah,
(41:40):
you can see Marco Rubio, the senator there and Bill Nelson,
who's a Democrat. He might Bill Nelson might not even
have to say anything. He'll just be like, I'm gonna
just yourself. But we'll see. So is he pro guns
rights or Bill Nelson? Yeah, Bill Nelson, what's his deal?
I mean, he's the Democrat I believe. I mean, I'm
sure he's some want friendly to the n r A
(42:02):
because I mean it, let's be real, like you can't
really get into mainstream politics unless you do. But I
know that he has been vocal since the shooting that
he's like, yo, assault weapons are for killing, that you
do away with them. So I don't think he's gonna
go up there and like cape for the n r
A and anyway. I mean, at worst, he'll just probably
do some kind of lukewarm proposal about gun control. But
I mean he's for the most part, got sad in
(42:23):
the right place, got it all right. So we will
be watching that for you so that you don't have
to or check it out tonight Wednesday. We'll see you
share our thoughts tomorrow. All right, We're gonna take a
quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back.
(42:46):
And for our last story today, we wanted to talk
about a new Netflix reality show that's not normally there forte. Uh.
It is called The Push. We watched tray other for
it yesterday in the office and we we honestly couldn't
really believe what we were seeing. Um. So it's this dude,
(43:09):
Darren Brown, who is He calls himself a mentalist. He's
basically a magician who does like broad scale you know,
he'll like trick people into thinking something different than like
he he uses human sort of cognitive biases and like
blind spots to uh, you know, trick people and do
(43:29):
crazy tricks. Um. And so his gambit here is that
he has set up like a fake sort of candid
camera style thing in which he is trying to get
somebody to murder another person. Uh. And he's basically gaslighting
them into thinking that they're murdering someone. And uh, we
(43:53):
we follow this unwitting person as you know, they are
made to think that they've just poison someone and then
they're disposing of the body and then at the end.
The reason it's called The Push is because at the end,
a the victim has come back from the dead and
(44:14):
you know, was not totally dead, and now the victim
is going to tell on them if they don't kill him,
if they don't like push him off the side of
the building. So in the final scene, the unwitting victim
has to stand on the roof and decide whether or
not to push this person off the roof. And I
(44:35):
don't know, so the big question is does he push
them or not? And you know, does he commit murder
or not. This is just a fucking just a crazy
show in general, right, because if you just wanted to
sell things, it's just called Darren Brown will gaslight a
person into murdering somebody? Uh? And yeah, yeah, he's done
shipped like this before where he got the dude to
(44:57):
electrocut to getting his side of metal box or if
so he thought he was uh and then also played
Russian Roulette on live TV. But that was a magic trick.
These are all like obviously fake, but yeah, jm R. Writer.
He also mentioned that this show already happened, happened in
the UK. Again. Netflix is doing their thing where they're
licensing something that already happened and they're like, oh, coming soon.
(45:19):
So the ship is on YouTube already. Yeah, it's on YouTube.
It only has five thousand views, which is probably why
they thought, oh, we can go ahead and just replay
this and nobody will notice. Um our writer says, it's
kind of like if that movie The Game was an
episode of the Jamie Kennedy Experiment, which is really the
vibe that it has. Um It seems like the next
(45:40):
level of reality TV, sort of the reality TV already
sort of the dregs of humanity is now going to
that next step where they're actually at least convincing someone
that they're killing someone. That the climax of the show
is will this guy murder someone? Or won't he? And
(46:00):
that's our entertainment now, even if it's real or fake.
But like that's the vehicle that's powering it. And look,
uh spoiler alert for this show in case you want
to watch it, so avert your ears for this next
thirty seconds. We we found out at the end of
the actual thing that happens, the dude doesn't kill he doesn't,
(46:20):
but then Darren Brown shows him like, well I got
three other people to do it, right, So it's just weird.
That's the turn the guy we've been following doesn't push
the guy who's again all right, So this is the
weird thing for me, is the person who he's deciding
whether or not to murder is just sitting on the
edge of a building looking off at the horizon, perfectly still,
(46:41):
while like they're making up their mind, like what do
they think is happening? Why do they think the dude
is just sitting there on the edge of a building,
not moving, And then when they push him, he like
doesn't scream. So it's just I think there must be
some explanations, like, well, we gave him the sedative. But
then it's weird, like if all these other people are
down to kill him, like why aren't they killing him?
(47:02):
Like why does it have to be this guy. I'm
sure they will explain that because it's the work of
like seventy plus actors around this guy to create the
situation to slowly be like, hey, man, you don't have
a choice. This guy's a millionaire. If he tells his story,
he's gonna know we try to cover up a murder
and then you're going to jail. So you gotta kill him.
It's it's him or you. Uh, and three other people
do it, and the guy who we followed doesn't do it.
(47:25):
But so those three people are just now known throughout
the UK as murderers, as people who would were just hey,
fuck it, baby, I don't know, or it's it was
a failure because they didn't get the result they wanted,
and like any good reality show producer, you have contingency
plans and you're like, well, what we can do is
just shoot a package a video package to throw too
(47:45):
to be like, well, these other people did it, so
people who are watching don't feel totally let down, because really,
when you watch this, you're gonna be like, oh, ship,
this dude is gonna kill somebody, and when he doesn't, yeah,
it's probably you want to give them the satisfaction. Well,
these three other people, who you didn't see the whole
time wich probably would have made a better show if
you're sick enough to want to see this that they did.
So my question is how do you go back into
(48:08):
the real world after that? Like after that, like it's like, oh,
this is fake, Like I remember I'm in this, you
have to look for it, but I'm in the Chevy
commercial and the contet. Yeah, yeah, No, it's not like
it's one of those like we got a sample of
regular people and it's like we're gonna show you this
tin man thing. And immediately when I got there, I
(48:29):
was like something's up, Like I don't get this, and
I hate being scared, so I thought it was like
some kind of like scared playing show. But they're like, yeah,
we're gonna show you this movie. He's the Aluminum Man,
and then like so then they're asking everyone like what
do they think of aluminiums as a power? And everyone's like,
oh nah, they want us to shoot on this, and
then the Aluminum Man is gonna comeut and be like
oh yeah, I was talking. So I was so scared,
(48:52):
and like you can see in the front they they're
like all right, we're gonna do it. They shut all
the lights off and it's like the in and then
like they draw the curtain, but there's like that pop
to drop it and you just see like someone going
like jump up. That's me because I thought like this
is when he's coming out. And it was just the
fucking forward commercial to be like to shoot on like
the aluminate cars and like steals the material. But I
(49:14):
was so like, I was like, oh no, this is fishing,
We'll see. The difference is like you're in the business
and your round production, so it's easier for you to
smell ship than maybe some unsuspected person. But that's why
I'm curious, Like I don't know. I mean, I know
Darren Brown, like from various YouTube clips and you know
the u K s I can I know you're out there.
I don't know this guy total cock, Like is he
like David Blaine where people here like, oh, yeah, David
(49:37):
Blaine's whatever. I mean, he's interesting, or people like, you know,
Darren Brown's piece of shit? Because that would be imagine
though if you really did do go through it that
I don't know how you would actually recover because like
the moments they do have if everything is real, even
if this mark is their actual person, this guy looks
like he's really having to weigh the pros and cons
(49:57):
And am I gonna push this human being off a building?
And then do you have any legal recourse after that?
Be like, hey, my man, like you gotta pay for
these therapy sessions, right, And I don't care if that
was fake. I still feel like I pushed a guy
off a building. Yeah, my life is over. I'll never
be hired for a job again. And the people who
supposedly did commit murder or believe they were committing murder
(50:21):
or just like wow, I really learned a lesson about
how I should not go along with people. Boy do
I have egg on my face? Like I just murdered
a person, and my family and everyone who's ever loved
me just saw it. That's like even worse as like, hey,
were you ever convicted of a phlony? You know, in
a job and be like I've seen you in a
clip be coerced into murder? Uh, And I know that's
(50:43):
in your bag your tool. Kid, better not reject any
job we give you. Because so welcome to the Urban Outfit,
all right? That is going to do it for today's episode.
If he it has been a pleasure as always having you.
Where can people find you? You know you can catch
me at it if you WAD I F Y and
(51:05):
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So thanks for checking me out on twitch. If these
on Twitch holding down. What do you playing with now?
(51:25):
I've been playing on a Monster Hunter World, but now
I switched up checking out Fortnite for a bit. Everybody's playing.
It's pretty it's pretty cool, all right to get that? Miles?
Where can people punges? You can find me playing Fortnite goodbye? Uh?
Social media Twitter, Instagram at Miles collereat. You can find
me a Jack Underscore O'Brien on Twitter. Uh. You can
(51:47):
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We have a website daily ze guys dot com where
we post our episodes in our foot where we link
off to the verses for the information we were talking
about today. Uh, that's gonna do it for today. Mile.
Do you have any songs or anything to write us
(52:07):
out on? Oh, you know what, let's play a little
bit of Black Panther. Uh the soundtrack to score actually, uh,
in honor of if He's really wonderful Kill Monger, Garb
the Drag Hill Manger. That's a little something, just a vibe,
because you know, the score was actually really great for
the film as well. I think that's something a lot
of people don't talk about because of the soundtrack. Sounddrack
is great, but the score is actually really good. To
(52:29):
write textures or like percussive and the percussion used. If
you're all into you know, music and sounds, I would
do to score as well, So chew on that. If
you're into sounds, listen to M Yeah, and that's gonna
do it for today. We will be back tomorrow because
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