January 14, 2022 • 58 mins
In episode 1064, Jack and Miles are joined by poet and podcaster Chelsey Weber-Smith to discuss Something something voting rights something something not enough votes, McConnell vs Trump, Someone Needs to Start Making a Prince Andrew Documentary Right Now, New Havana Syndrome Cases In Paris and Geneva, SoS Blinken Throwing Up Hands and more!
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- McConnell vs Trump
- Someone Needs to Start Making a Prince Andrew Documentary Right Now
- New Havana Syndrome Cases In Paris and Geneva, SoS Blinken Throwing Up Hands
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to nineteen, episode
five of Jury at Least Like Guys production of I
Heart Radio. Now This, Well, this is a podcast where
we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Friday,
January four two, which of course means that it is
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National Hot Pastrami Day. Get that Colpus drama out of here.
Only the Hottest rams and ratification Day at a Treaty
of Paris and the Revolutionary War, you know, the beginning
of this fucked up experiment that wor Man. I didn't
even know that was a thing. It's like just said
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that it's such a like small part of like US
history because everyone just like, man, that's the only date
in the revolution. But I get it. This is when
they said no more, no more shooting at each other. Well,
my name is Jack O'Brien, a K. Jack skipped Dr
Jay's Last Game to watch Jaws two on TV. O'Brien
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that's courtesy of Paul Garaventa. Thanks for bringing that back, Paul.
I actually did I did uh do a little research
because I think I had said that it was the
last time my grandfather played Dr j It was actually
Dr J's last home game in Philadelphia. It was I
just read Dr J gets thirty and final Philly home game.
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The last quote of this article, this was a very
different night, seventy six Ers coach Matt Guka says, a salute,
a send off, and then Doc reaching his milestone. You'll
probably never see another night like this in NBA history.
So so that is what I skipped to watch a
TV edit of Jaws to a movie that I could
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rent on VHS anytime. But you know, I mean, I
was who I was, right, But I feel like, yeah,
life is full of those moments. You're like, was I
thinking like if I had the chance to choose between
those two things, and I would have done it completely
the other way, but you had your priority straight back. Yeah.
And also I'm not sure I would have switched it
if I had to do over again. Okay, hell yeah,
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you know I was real and Sharks. Anyways, I am
thrilled to be joined as always by my co host
Mr Miles Grog drank BE, drank P, my friend drank
P drank P again. I won't get on me, Cronna, No, no,
(02:36):
I won't get on me. Cron to Rando Dixon ard
on the Discord for that Nirvana inspired a k a
uh yeah obviously vaccine police tone out here, drink your
pet man safe. The Discord is bringing it. Yeah, some
fire exhaustible. I gotta just chip away at this thing. Yeah,
(02:59):
And I don't look at the Discord just it's a
time thing. I just feel like I would spend so
much of my time in there, so my twitter ak
heads out here just roasting me instead of giving me
that just just being like, hey, remember that time you
were extremely suspect as a six year old. Why don't
we why don't we bring that up? Anyway, Miles. We're
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throwed to be joining our third by one of our
favorite guests on t d Z, a poet and podcaster
who you can hear on the American Hysteria podcast exploring
the fantastical thinking, irrational fears of Americans throughout the years,
through the lens of moral panics, urban legends, conspiracy theories.
Please welcome the brilliant and talented Chelsea Weber Smith. Thanks
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for having me, and I would have chosen Jaws too.
I think that was an act of love. Jaws Too too,
write you recognize that it's not the original Jaws, which
was at that time, I thought a superior Joss just
because the shark was bigger, I think, And there were
like some at one point the shark blows up a
(04:09):
water skiing boat somehow. So those were the things that
I was into. Yeah, out of here. Yeah, I picked
basketball over romance once. Uh the Valentine's Day dance in
high school, my friend and I we just ghosted our
dates because Vince Carter was going to be in the
slam dunk contest. That was the right choice. I don't gay.
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That is my like flash bowl memory like for like
my friends, and I'm always curious, like where were you
don contest when Vince Carter did that reverse windmill three
sixty everything. Apologies you know for talking to Homiean and
I going to the dimpo. It was we knew it
was gonna be a whole event, so and it was
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so well. Shout out to Melissa, my cousin, Melissa, coolest
person in who stayed home and babysat me while I
watched just two. Uh, Chelsea, what's new? What's good? How
how have you been? You know? Yesterday I was just
working in my office and I hear what I think
(05:16):
was like a bird fight, and I'm very interested in
the neighborhood birds right now because I have anything else
to do, So grab my binocular as I went outside,
and it was actually two tiny kittens. So now taking
care of two tiny kittens that are like fucking four
weeks old right now. And that was gonna say that
the whole day since then, Yeah, I was gonna say that.
(05:38):
Bird fight is the British term for when dudes are
like catfight. In America, they say, what's a bird How
did it? What's a bird fight? Soundically like that, You're
like bird fight? And right, well, for example, like some
sort of predatory bird, and the crows you got like
like it was like a very high pitched sound that
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almost sounds like a woodpecker like that, like and then
but it was the tiniest, loudest screams of these two
perfect tiny kittens. So you know, what do you do?
I mean, I would say foster. I think, yeah, I'm
like the you know, I'm like the grumpy old husband
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that's like, well, we can't have these, you know writings,
and then later they'll be my baby's right to you.
I've seen those videos on TikTok before where it's like
the Grandpa, I didn't want a dog, and then it's
like exactly every day on the reclainer, Yeah, exactly. We
gotta sit an example here, otherwise all these kittens are
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just gonna be coming to our backyard getting into fights. End.
Every once in a while, there will just speaking of
bird fights and the crow example, you'll just see like
a crow just bombing through the backyard with something horrifying
and and it's beak and like a whole squadron of
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birds following it. That's I feel like that's pretty regular
these days. Yeah. Well, you know, over and I saw
his crow was eating like chicken bones, and as I
walked by, he picked up one of the chicken bones
and laid it across the other in like a perfect X. Yeah.
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That's how they lead, right, that's not that thing. I know,
super smart use tools, Like there's there's a species of
crow that they're like can use tools. Crows as to
the highway, Yeah, those tools, they're like these dumb masses
always drive over this part, so we're going to drop
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the nuts. Let them one of my cars. In Japan,
she used to feed these crows out of window all
the time. And at first they'd always be loud or whatever,
and then she's like, you know, like let me just
give them someone like scraps when I'm cleaning up, and
like they would come and eat. And one day she
was like frying something and like left her oil on
and it's spilled over and it started like and she
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fell asleep in the other room and like she had
like an oil fire in her kitchen starting up. The
crows flew into her house and started calling, like trying
to wake her up, and like when she got up,
she prevented her whole house from burning down because these
crows came through with the fucking warning. That's that should
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have been the first story you The first thing you
ever said to me was the story you just told
me five years into our friendship. Yeah, sorry, I like
to look, I can't, I can't give up all the
gems off you know away. Yeah, these crows are la.
We're gonna get to know you a little bit better
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in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
couple of things we're talking about. We're gonna talk about
how you know, something with voting rights, something the Democrats
are serious this time and uh, you know that's something
not enough votes. Yeah, I don't know. We'll talk about
mc McConnell verse Trump. Whoever wins we lose, We're gonna
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talk about. So Prince Andrew got dropped by the royal family,
kind of lost all the ceremonial ships, and I'm just
making a pitch to the world right now, somebody needs
to get close to him and be like, hey, you
gotta tell your story. Let's start doing a documentary Andrew,
(09:29):
because yeah, jin stuff, but I think it would be
a one of the great historical documents. Just watching this
person who has never encountered reality before. It's like it's
like if Christopher Guests did to make Maid Gray Gardens
or something exactly in there now, we might not even
(09:52):
talk about that. That was basically my pitch right there. Yeah,
Christopher Guests, go go man. I also just want to
talk about there's new Havannah syndrome cases. I just want
to check back in see Chelsea if you have any
updated thinking on Havana syndrome and just talk about where
I continue to be with that story. All of that
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plenty more, But first Chelsea, we do like to ask
our guests, what is something from your search history. Alright,
what we got so well, mine is Westboro Baptist Church,
Bill O'Reilly and Coulter would be the one that came
up because our next episode is on the Westboro Baptist Church.
(10:34):
So just been like fucking just steeped in it, you know,
because we're trying to understand not just throw things like well,
God's actually loving, but be like, alright, where how did
you guys get here? What's you're thinking? What is your
philosophy that allows you to do this? Because everybody's philosophy
allows them to feel like they're doing something right, So
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we're just trying to understand their whole thing, and then
also kind of tie that to outrage and outrage culture
and how this is like one of those rare moments
where the Westboro Baptist Church united us in our outrage
both the laft and the right by protesting funerals of
AIDS victims and soldiers at the same time and kind
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of fusing them together. So we're like exploring all that,
and then I kind of came across something interesting, and
that was this conversation between and culture and Bill O'Reilly
back in like when the Westbrook maybe you guys, remember
the Westboro Baptist Church was going through all this litigation
because they protested this particular troops funeral, and then they
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were sued by the family and it became this like huge, huge,
huge news story that year, and everybody was kind of
paying attention to it, and uh, eventually the family, So yeah,
the family sued them. It was overturned like one. It
was overturned, went to the Supreme Court, and then the
Supreme Court upheld their right protest outside of these funerals, right,
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and everybody was super mad. And then the argument was
free speech. So I was watching and Coulter and Bill
O'Reilly be very very very outraged at this offensive stuff
and be calling for the Westboro Baptist Church to be
silenced and that they had caused enough. What is it's
an outturt of outrage is the law, and it's intentional
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infliction of emotional abuse. So the conversation was, are the
Westboro Baptist Church causing enough emotional abuse to no longer
be protected? And so I just find I found it
very interesting considering what I imagine are their opinions on
other types of emotional abuse. Right, So it's just kind
of funny, and and there was like this great moment
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at the end, you know, because and cultures such as
you know, she's doesn't she's so awful, but also she's
got like that ability to be so snyde that it's
kind of funny. And at the end and she's being
snider Bill O'Riley. It's this hard thing where I'm like
pulled back and forth between who I hate. But then
she gives him after she explains why Bill O'Reilly, she
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finds him to be correct that they shouldn't have been
able to continue what they were doing. And then she
says at the end, like the law totally supports your position, Bill,
and then he starts talking like well, thank you, thank you,
and then she just goes shockingly enough and she gives
this like shitty little smile, and it's just so this
video is just like so interesting. So yeah, that that's
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my We're just like steeped in this weird Calvinist thing
and it's not exactly a cult. It's just such a
crazy story. Like watching all of them on Howard Stern right,
like they weren't just this church. They were pop cultural
supervillain icons for a second, like they were so much
more than we remember. I think when did that road
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documentary come out? I would say, what, yeah, okay, right,
right right, because that's when like that was sort of
my first glimpse into it, watching them sort of speak
talk their ship and you're like, well, yeah, and be
like a being like a like watching them be a
family is so odd too, because they are and they're
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all like, it's just not it's not this like very
like you would almost think of it as like a
what like a very puritanical, but they're like allowed to
listen to music and where whatever they want within reason,
and like they're allowed to do all these things that
you wouldn't expect, and it's like oddly normal, like to
go to public school and then during lunch they leave
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public school where they actually do have people that are
there like friends, and then they just stand outside the
school with you know, science like all these awful signs
and then they go like all right, mom, I got
to go back to class. It's exactly that, yeah, And
so it's just this bizarre like really trying to get
past just like the outrage of it and and get like,
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I mean that's what our show does, and just like
dig through the the minutia of all of it, and
it's been really really interesting. And how you know, they
were used by people like Jerry Fallwell to be like, well,
they're the real bad people, while Jerry Fallwell is actually
causing them, but not saying it in a mean way, right,
but doing the same means and ends. They figured out
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like how to you know, control a big portion of
the discourse with just a handful of people who like
some well placed lawsuits, Like they were the original ship
posters just they're you know, completely devoid of any kind
of coherent ideological content. They were just doing shipped to
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anger the mainstream media and get get coverage. Basically they
were good at it. I mean we we also took
the baitman. You know, it's wild. So yeah, strange thing,
you know, to let seventy people be so powerful to
wild you know, yeah, I mean yeah, right now we're
letting know like be very powerful in the Senate. So yeah. Um.
(16:11):
I kind of struggled with this one, but I feel
like going and doing stuff is mine because I've found
that I'm much more of a like through this whole
pandemic thing, I found that I'm much more of a
loner than I thought. And that's why I'm talking about
bird drama in the neighborhood. You know, like that's what
I'm saying. It's like I just go on these Like
(16:32):
there was that tweet in the beginning of the pandemic
that was like nobody could do anything. So it was like,
I guess I'll just go on another shitty little walk
and just like, yeah, that just never ended for me.
And you know, I know the local Uh there's two
eagles that hang out and on our football field and
they kill sewels on the football field. It's very American.
(16:53):
And I'm like walking by and the yeah, and their
names and I looked it up and their names are
j and Bay. That's when they were named by whomever
names like local bird, like the local bird whatever society.
So they like track these eagles. So like I knew
that the eagle went and had like special eagle surgery
and the eagle was fine. And yeah, their names are
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Jay and Bay. And uh, you know, we got a
squirrel that we give some nuts to. It's snowed recently.
We made sure we took care of the hummingbirds. I
don't know. I was never like an animal person that
much before and now I just like simple, yeah, well
so animals don't have political takes, so it makes it
a lot easier sakes. It's really night well well yeah,
(17:36):
not always. It's pretty uh, it's pretty glaring the metaphor.
So they the eagles got like interventional surgery to protect
and improve their health, and then they used that to
murder a seagull. I mean, I guess you know there's
(17:59):
a but what did anybody try and do emergency surgery
on the seagulls or we're just yeah, got it, Yeah,
they're the right. Yeah. Science has officially recently uh designated
to find designated uh seagulls as jabroniboni species, yeah, species
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of or actually is not a bird. Yeah yeah, it's
I always see those takes about like a lot of
people being like, you know, the weirdest thing about pandemic
or the thing that I've learned to do is to
say no to things I don't want to do anymore.
Like yeah, yeah, like that's been man, the amount of
like socially like social pressure that'd be like, yeah, I
(18:45):
guess I gotta go do this thing. I guess I
gotta go meet up here now I'm like purely like now,
you know, like for me, just for like my own
you know, sanctity and in safety and sanity, I will
I just need to be chilled by myself for a
little bit. Yeah, and I think we have more empathy
for people canceling now on us. Yeah, like you don't
know worries, no worries, no worries. Yeah, but that's beautiful
(19:13):
because that was a very stressful thing in life, the
codependent thing of needing to do whatever you said you do.
And now everybody has finally admitted how much we like
to be able to cancel. Now I'm gonna look after
myself and my needs. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm also
not gonna lie to you and say I want to
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be here. I'm gonna be honest when I want to
be there. Yeah, I will continue to be lying, but
yeah I have definitely, uh, I will stay lying in effect,
maybe pick it up a little bit, but definitely. The
whole thing about avoiding situations where yeah, like I was
talking to my therapist about like, I think my social
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anxiety is getting better, and then I was like, wait, no,
I just haven't been in situations with people who make
me feel social anxiety for a couple of months. Anyways,
what is something you think is underrated? This one's for miles,
and that is getting back into tech deck. Tech deck
is severely underrated and then kind of disappeared except for
(20:19):
like weird pockets of YouTube. So I've been like trying
to brush up get this sick deck. My room is
too dark and me in like a terrifying room for them.
But uh, yeah, I don't know. That's I don't have
a lot to say about it. It's except that it's, uh,
if you're a fidgety type, it's a really nice way
to and you know, I love doing little things where
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I can slowly improve and it's just simple, you know,
And it's like I can slowly learn new things and
it's not you know. So that's another thing I do
because I don't hang out with other people. Reverting to
many finger skateboards. Yes, sorry, sorry, I always found confusing
because my brain just immediately like turns that into some
(21:03):
form of technology that I don't know about. But no, no, no, no,
we're going back in time here. Do you ever get it?
Eat your ever? Much of the tech tech check? No
No I got I was too heavy into pugs straight
through to you. Yeah, one time I landed like a
real solid trick on a tech deck. Luckily a camera
(21:25):
was rolling and all. Never like I only have one thing,
like only one piece of footie from my skate tape.
But it's sick, dude, it's a knowledge. Yeah, I can
find It's on my Instagram and I think I said
it to a funk with me. You know, I got
it by James Ross. Now that was the first thing
that he told me about when I when I met him,
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was that tech deck. What you're like, dude, anlie kick
flip on a tech what? I feel like it's coming back, man,
because it's like we got this early two thousand's playing
coming back of all kinds of ship and I don't know,
I think it can happen. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see
jackasses coming back. Now is the time exactly exactly alright,
(22:09):
let's take a quick break. We'll be right back and
we're back and where it will be linking off to
this Instagram Miles Sallie kick flip with us quadruple kick flip.
(22:34):
I don't even know, like people can check the rotations.
I don't know. It's ridiculous. The editing is amazing. It's
interesting to see Miles as like a you know, young
social media influencer doing that's when I worked for YouTube.
Yeah you got the the YouTube energy is strong and
oh yeah, and the office too was so YouTube down
(22:55):
there and Marina del right babeat that ran del right one. No,
so we is like an official daily show with YouTube,
but our office was like across the street from the
space right down there. Oh okay, I gotta gotta gotta
all right, well, let's let's start talking some news. The
something with voting rights, like Biden's piste buns gonna do
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something about those voting rights. There's even been mentioned of
the of filibuster reform to pass some voting rights stuff.
But what what's the latest? The same thing. Right in,
the Democrats are just watching another agenda item go before
their eyes. Um, and this time it was, you know,
it's about voting rights. They're like, all right, fuck the
(23:41):
build back there, ship. Okay, let's try something else. Maybe
people can get behind voting rights. Maybe we can get
a one or two Republicans. No. So, on Thursday, the
House passed their voting rights package, which is like you know,
more early vote days all all mainly and everything making
election day a holiday, same day voter registration and that stuff,
like also the John Lewis Act, which is sort of
(24:02):
about making sure that d o J had time to review, uh,
like certain proposals to like maps and things like that
from states before they were implemented. So you know, but
this is followed the pattern of every single thing we've
seen with this current Senate, which is it'll pass the
House and then it goes to the Senate where fucking
Gandolf is up in there because it shall not pass.
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That's just the vibes in there. And there's no movement
on filibuster reform either. We've Joe Mansion and Kirsen Cinema,
they've made it clear they don't want to reform ship,
not even to like help their party maintain power. Okay,
so you know there are there are headlines like you're saying,
like Biden will huddle with the Senate Dems or Biden
(24:45):
to make case for voting rights. But I'm really failing
to see how this passes the Senate. It's not like
any of the Republicans are going to join in on
this or into the concept of fairness, but the way
the I guess, like the way they're hoping to do
something as I've heard it describe. Think Elizabeth Warrener was like,
it's like flying a plane and then building a landing
gear midflight, hoping you can land it by the time
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you it's time to land it. And I think that
what they're gonna do is bring it there hoping to
start a debate within the Senate. Have you know, have
Joe Manson and Kirsen cinema here just how much Republicans
are against making it easier for people to vote, and
then hope that then they'll come back around and be like, yeah,
I like, like, let's let's reform the rules because I've
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seen enough now. It's very a lot of like Senate mechanics,
but essentially it's what we're looking at is somewhat of
a Hill Mary pass or a Hill Satan pass. Right.
It's like doing what Elizabeth Warren said, if you had
done that like three previous times and every single time
it crashed into the same spot in the mountain, and
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you were like, well, how about this idea, It's like
you just described the thing that you have done over
and over again that has failed every single time. It's
more like Laura Lee in Yellow Jackets taking a second spoilers. No,
I'm not saying it. I'm just saying that's anyway, We've
(26:11):
got a lot of Plaine energy flying around the zait
guys at the moment, and it all seems to be
very similar. Mhm yeah. I mean all these things dound great.
This seems like they should be transparently good, fair things
that the mainstream media would be able to like get
people behind. I don't even know how you like argue
against giving people a day off to vote. Well, some
(26:34):
some people say like, well, you know, like in you
in my state, we have we have more early voting
days than even like blue states. So I don't this
is all just a bunch of panics stuff and it's
not about fairness. It's about power. And on a certain level, yeah,
it is because I think the Democrats He's like, yeah,
if everyone votes like and they're not being like fucked
(26:55):
over at the poll, are prevented. Chances are we we
look decent in a lot of elections. But yeah, this
is this is just the gridlock that we're experiencing as
we watch you know, leadership completely not fit for the
task of just you know, maintaining voting rights and sort
of the fruits of the labor of conspiracy theories. I
would say, where you can kind of put all of
(27:16):
this under like lack of election integrity, right, you can
spread the same panic about the It's just like they
just laid this really fucking scary groundwork for this kind
of stuff, and I think it works on so many levels.
Then being like oh oh right, because everybody thought the right,
you can just kind of like put anything under an
umbrella of fraud, right yeah, voter fraud, voter fraud. All right, Well,
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let's talk about Mr McConnell. Veris Donald Trump, because that
I mean, they're not see an eyed I on stuff
such as voter fraud. Mr McConnell is allowed that we
had an election in where the votes were counted, and
and that is I guess like probably the core kind
of difference between or where the kind of riffs started
(28:04):
between the two of them, Right, yeah, I mean it's
just in general, right, like Mitch McConnell has had his
grip on Senate Republicans for a while and it's something
that gives his whole life meaning like you know, Trump
had an agenda, but Mitch McConnell also had his like
you know, conservative fantasy agenda to getting all those judges confirmed.
He did a lot of work like with his view
(28:26):
of like this is how I want to fund the
country up, and I'm yeah, sure it'll help Trump on
some level, but this is what I Mitch McConnell I'm
looking at doing. And you know, I think with McConnell
being on the hill for a long time, he didn't like,
you know, when Trump would bark orders at him, he
was like, yeah, maybe, like it was never always like yes, sir,
Like there was never this like fealty, you know that
(28:47):
never sense that it would be like he would. They
would fall in line on certain things, other times they
would be at odds. And I think that's where you'd
see some conflict because I think you know, now as
you look at what's happening as it relates to Trump
is clearly frothing at the mouth for another stab at
this thing that you know, as the momentum begins to
build for Trump, we're seeing like his little attack dogs
(29:10):
come out and try and you know, destabilized sort of
what's happening because again, this is a cult, right, So
Lindsey Graham has come out to just begin questioning, you know, where,
where's miss McConnell's deal, Like, where who's he? Who's he for? Really?
And can we support this guy? If he doesn't support Trump,
I'll just let you hear it. You know, his his
(29:30):
moment on Hannity of Senator McConnell, Um, people know how
I feel. How do you feel about it? Yeah? Well,
elections about the future. If you want to be a
Republican leader, uh in the House or the Senate, you
have to have a working relationship with President Donald Trump.
He's the most consequential Republican since Ronald Reagan. It's his
(29:53):
nomination if he wants it, and I think he'll get
re elected in I like Senator McConnell. He were well
with the President Trump to get a bunch of judges,
including three three Supreme Court justices on the bench that
got the tax cuts pass working together. But here's the question.
Can Center McConnell effectively work with the leader of the
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Republican Party, Donald Trump. I'm not gonna vote for anybody
that can't have a working relationship with President Trump to
be a team to come up with an American First
agenda to show the difference. All right, thank you, Lindvy,
We've heard enough. So essentially what he's saying is he's
he's trying to say, Mitch, your position as Senate leader
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minority leader is at stake. That's that's the risk here.
If you don't throat the Trump boot, I don't know
if I can vote. You don't know where the votes
are going to come from, you know, to keep you
as a leader. Um, and when is that vote happening?
That would happen after the mid terms? Got it? Like yeah,
So that's why they're you know, depending on where certain
election results fall, you'll have the votes on leadership again
(30:58):
and they'll take that into the next session. So I
think that's this whole thing is a sort of it's
all this you know, posturing about again. It's because Mitch
McConnell on certain parts he will he will you know,
maintain his own sense of reality that will run counter
the Maga version. And I think that's what we see
is like the purge happened when you speak out of
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turn or you acknowledge the results of the election. Who
would be the new speaker? Right? Lindsey Graham I mean
think about you know, you're not gonna go out there
and be like, I don't know, because who's gonna I mean,
he's been maybe Ted Cruz, which should be so hilarious
(31:39):
to me. But all of the people who are like
very loyal to Donald Trump, there's I mean, yeah, it
could be any one of them, but it seems like
Lindsey Graham may have an eye on that position. But
I think at the end of the day, it'll be
interesting to see what happens. Because Senate Republicans mostly follow
Mitch McConnell more than they do Trump. They're not as
like outwardly mag as their counterparts in the House. So
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that's why, like there's this little bit of a power
struggle or you know, whatever it's ended up being. But
I do believe everything he said. I think Trump's gonna
get elected. I think he's the most consequential Republicans since
Ronald Reagan. I think that probably, like anybody who tries
to stand his way at this point. You know, even
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the McConnell was somewhat successful at like providing some friction before.
I think anybody who tries to stand in his way
at this point is going to get sucking swept away.
You never know, maybe we get like a Space Cowboys
thing where it's like the old old dudes for one
last one. They're like, let's let's go against him, and
maybe we get smashed out, but let's try it because
(32:47):
we also have egos too. We also got to figure
out who who Trump's vice president is going to be,
because or vice presidential Canada. I guess I shouldn't fully
award him the win. He's definitely he's gonna have the nomination,
but like you know, he's gonna be running against Mike Pence.
There was a really funny Wall Street Journal article yesterday
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that was like, it's Pence's nomination to lose. But you'll
notice if you read that article that the person who's
making that claim doing it anonymously. Nobody's no, nobody's willing
to say that ship with their chest. And it was
also like sourced to a friend of Pence. So yeah, well,
and his former staffers. They've been probably some of the
(33:30):
more cooperative people from the administration for the January six commission.
So I don't know if because that's his only path
as if Trump is like in prison basically for that's
the only, And that's what I'm saying, like, because I
don't I don't think every single Republican is just like
given up on their own their own you know, visions
and fantasies of being powerful, you know what I mean.
(33:51):
I'm sure a lot of people like man fucking Trump
for real, like, oh, fucking this guy's I could do
way better than him. And I'm curious and you I
and imagine that you won't see some version of that now.
Whether they or not they're successful, I mean, that's a
completely different question. But I don't I won't discount people's
pursuit of power to not end up bringing them into
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conflict with Trump, even if they're Republicans. Yeah, all right,
Uh And really briefly, we have an update to the
story we had talked about yesterday that Prince Andrew's cases.
He will face trial in Manhattan for sexually assaulting a child.
So after that, the Royal family stripped him of all
his I don't know, military titles, I guess, and royal charities.
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Stinging rebuke by the British Royal family, according to the
New York Times, but the Palace said that Andrew will
continue will continue not to undertake any public duties and
is defending this case as a private citizen. So they
are he's He's basically they're like have Adam, which is
pretty wild. But you know what, like this is, like
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I said yesterday, this is a like this person might
as well be you know who who's the is it
Finneas Gauge, the guy who like got the bar through
part of his brain and like scientists, Yeah, they loved
studying changed completely, didn't he, Like, yeah, he changed, his
personality changed because a bar went through a certain part
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of his brain and they were able to like understand
things about how the brain operates. I think Prince Andrew's
like a societal cultural version of that in that like
he might as well be a like lab experiment who
was like raised in a world of people who have
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never told him the truth or told him like to
shut the funk up. He's never like experienced reality in
his entire life, and now they're going to be these
like sunbeams breaking into this world that he's existed in.
Somebody needs to get this ship on camera. Yeah, we
were talking about how it should be like a Jink
style interview show just to watch sort of crumbling happen
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and my family, my granny and you can tell. But
because I said granny and my mom both born in England.
My granny's like in her late eighties, so she's like
all for the Queen. It's like loves the royal family.
So it's just been interesting to like watch her have
to react to because it's like, you know, what you
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say is yeah, yeah, you know, and she's mad at
Harry and Megan, you know, and she's it's just like
of course, you know, and and it's it's very it's
just very interesting to come from a family like when
I was growing up in Diana died, I had not
heard much like Diana wasn't a positive person to us,
you know, because she was talking to it on Charles.
(36:50):
So it's just this insane drama that is so fucking
bizarre and team wins her all the way. Huh, well,
my mom's not. My mom was raised here and knows
it's all pretty ridiculous. But you know, we all she's
the matriarch, so we don't talk too much ship but
she uh yeah, no, she's just very very loyal. There's
(37:16):
like a strange loyalty that is like beyond our politics.
Because it's not so charged. It's just this like this
very steadfast loyalty that older people have to the crown,
and it's just it's just like it's not religious, it's
just like discomforting. It's a very expensive vibe. Yeah yeah,
(37:43):
but yeah, we gotta get some cameras in there. And
just finally, like so they turned on him. Somebody needs
to going and be like I can't believe you need
to tell your side of the story because nobody else
is going to if you don't. And I mean, like
they're so perfect, and then just like pause, like they're
so perfect, Like think about what's gonna happen to you
(38:04):
now that you no longer have their protection, Like what
would happen if they didn't have that protection? Andy, I
can call you Andy? Right. Look, man, we all have
friction with our moms. You know. I'll say you starry
about my mom. Man. I remember one time she threw
my PlayStation out the window because I was playing too
much Final Fantasy seven and not focusing on my studies.
Broke play what I'm sorry? Uh, I was playing with
the Bones of Child Slaves of Africa. But chest set yes, yes, ah, yes,
(38:30):
a PS PlayStation but like being like, you know, I mean,
what does your I mean, does your mom ever get
under your skin? He's like, oh, You're like I can
also see Elizabeth doing like the you know, Jessica Walter
from Arrested Development being like I don't care for Andrew much. Yeah,
(38:53):
and I mean the stories you hear of I think
this would be true of like Prince Charles as well,
if he like just got left out of the family,
if like one day suddenly they were just like and
you're no longer the Prince was up? How's it going?
How are you feeling about that? Like the stories about
him that you hear that, like the off the record
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stories are truly incredible about Prince Charles, like thinking just
that he's like one of the smartest people on the
planet and like everyone's like and he like can't like
really put two sentences together in a very coherent way,
but like he is very confident in everything about himself
(39:34):
and his worldview. So yeah, I just like I think
it would be important to history, to the humanities, to
how we understand you know, privilege and celebrity and all
that ship if we could just get in there, especially
like even if it's completely disconnected from the reality as
we see it, like just to purely here this person
(39:57):
articulate their perspective, worldview and philosophically how they've been moving
through life. You know, yeah, exactly another point, and then
leave a hot mic on him. I just watched the
Janks again. Just leave a hot mic on him, and hey, man,
were all these neces. You know. He's one of those
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people that stands in a room where there's when there's
nobody there and just kind of like shuts down and
stares forward and like the clock hands spin behind im
and he just doesn't do anything until somebody comes in
and he just reanimates a lot of footage of that. Yeah,
we saw what he thought was a good excuse, and
it was the type of excuse that like my kids
(40:39):
come up with on the spot when I'm like, when
I come in and they've broken something like it couldn't
have been me because I don't have arms, and then
they hold their arms behind their back or some ship
like That's that was basically couldn't be me because I
can't sweat, right, provided doesn't that or the Falkland Wars
Great Soldier, the Great Soldier. All right, let's take a
(41:01):
quick break, we'll be right back, and we're back and
the you know, just steady drumbeat Havannah syndrome story, Havana
syndrome cases in Paris and Geneva. Secretary of Stepe Lincoln
(41:26):
is like, we just can't figure this dang thing out.
I started war. Huh, what do you guys think? Huh?
Anybody just just no flow to weather balloon and see what,
see what people think? Didn't go for that one either. Still,
best explanation I've heard read is in that New York
Times magazine article that basically just like laid it out.
They were like, here are the people with expertise on
(41:48):
these sorts of situations. They all think it's a functional disorder.
Here's what a functional disorder is. They wouldn't know that
they are experiencing a functional disorder. They would assume that
it is like just kind of laid it out in
a very straightforward way. But yeah, I think it's very
you know, this reminds me a lot of COVID at
(42:09):
this point, in the sense that like the people with
medical and you know, scientific expertise on the subject matter
told us what it was like that article that New
York Times magazine articles from twenty nineteen, and like early
twenty nineteen, people told us what it was, they told
us how to address it, how to fight it, but
(42:29):
like that's been rejected as too boring, and so people
are just sticking with it. Yeah, I mean it's I
think exactly like uh, COVID, we're looking at the situations
where to solve it. It means going against all your
capitalist urges, right, you know, Like to solve COVID means
(42:50):
like you gotta fucking start giving money out to people.
You gotta start giving relief to find a way to
get a hold of this thing, rather than being like,
I don't know, man, make people work. If they have COVID,
they can come in after like two days, I don't
give a ship Like let's just keep We'll just burn
this whole thing out. And just like with this, it
seems more of a yeah, like we're trying to sort
of orient this story as justification for like aggression towards
(43:14):
some other countries, and like la, I mean they've been
Havana syndrome syndrom ng the ship out of us, And
it doesn't seem that people aren't as interested in like
violent conflict anymore. I think more people are like, how
about like fucking equity something like an equitable situation here? Ah, man,
I don't know a ton about this, like what's going
(43:35):
on with this because there are certain stories that because
of the job that I do, I just I'm like,
I can't handle that right now because it's too much
of what I do. So yeah, I'm like scrolling through
some of this stuff. But yeah, I'm kind of like
not knowing enough about what's going on with this. I
feel like I'm doing a bad job of of my
(43:55):
own job here. But syndrome is, Yeah, I do know
what fan of syndrome is. I'm not sure what's happening
like currently right at this moment. Sure, So, I mean
I think it's all part of the same thing, which,
like a functional disorder is basically a stressful event or
you know, illness or even injury leads to a certain
(44:20):
pathway getting locked in neurologically into the brain and it
takes on sort of a life of its own that's
more of a neurological disorder than it is. It's not
being caused by anything physical essentially, And so the reason
that most people who are familiar with functional disorders think that,
(44:41):
and it has a lot to do, like the current
understanding of functional disorders has a lot to do with
like the mass hysterias throughout history, and like the things
where people would where an illness would spread even though
there was no physical cause you know, right right right
ye powerful, and it's like it is. So that's why
(45:03):
so many things work like medically work is because if
you know that when you have a placebo, it's like
it just it is a real thing. And that's obviously
what is when you're having like a mass hysteria, you're
just I don't know. I mean, we don't know what
the cause of it is. But even in Seattle, there's
this crazy story that is so ridiculous, and it's that
(45:26):
people started noticing chips on their windshield like rock chips,
and then so many people started noticing it that it
became this question of like, what is happening to our windshields?
And so many people were finding these chips out of
their window, and and it just turned out that it
was just that people were now looking harder at their
(45:46):
windshields and so they were seeing these things. And I
think that that's like a crude example, but it's like
the way we can just manifest symptoms, it's not at
all abnormal. I mean we do it. We all did
it in middle you know, elementary school, middle school. There's
just like these these things that spread. Like there's like
the story of the kids who couldn't stop dancing, right,
(46:08):
and one of them is dancing, and that's like throughout time,
like throughout history is yeah, just like this inability to
stop dancing, and it's just really it's really really really weird. Yeah,
I I highly Seeah, I think you would really enjoy
this New York magazine. I'm going I'm going to die. Yeah.
It goes into the history, like the history of this
(46:29):
and how like it was very popular in the you know,
nineteenth century. But then yeah, I think then it was
called hysteria and it was tied up into all sorts
of like you know, sexual politics, and and then Freudian
theory came through and like kind of but now it's
it really seems like it's they do kind of understand
(46:52):
it a little bit better now and it's not that
much of a mystery, and they know how to cure
it if the person is just willing to address it
as a functional disorder and that it has like a
neurological basis. But the thing, like the reason that I
think this is kind of pretty obviously or not obviously,
but my assumption is that this is the explanation, is
(47:14):
that these neurologists are saying, these people like even if
so it starts with different things. Sometimes people hear a
weird sound. Sometimes people just like suddenly feel very dizzy.
You know, it's always a different sort of mysterious physical
attack that the government is trying to blame on like
(47:34):
a foreign spy agency. But they're saying, even if that happened,
or even if like they got hit with a like
bag of bricks in the head, like those that a
physical injury to the brain heals after a certain amount
of time, and like these like functional disorders tend to
(47:56):
linger and sometimes get worse and like get because as
they are like you know, addiction and you know, other
sort of neurological disorders there they have to do with
like pathways getting locked in in the brain. And so,
you know, I think that's probably pretty controversial because there
are a lot of people who suffer from chronic pain
(48:18):
and chronic you know diseases that are probably told that
they're not They're suffering isn't real, And like, I have
absolutely no insight or knowledge about any of those disorders.
I just think this one in particular, they have like
looked at it from every angle and the causes, like
(48:38):
the idea of it being a physical attack doesn't make sense,
like scientifically, they can't explain it. And then there is
this very good neurological explanation. So it sounds like in
a really weird way, do you guys know anything about
like the deal Off Pass story, like the stranded Russian
hikers in the fifties, Because there's like one theory that
(49:00):
I think is really interesting, but then it's been you know,
just disputed and whatever. But it's about infrasound. And it's
like that certain like vortexes that can form in like
mountains can actually cause this particular you know, this particular
sound that you don't perceive, and it can cause like
panic attacks, and it can cause all kinds of physical
(49:24):
somatic symptoms and can actually make you kind of go
a little bit nuts, and it just like probably isn't that.
But there's just so many things we don't understand too
about the ways we're affected by things and it's just, yeah,
it's really strange. But I've always found that or I've
read theories that like a lot of hauntings throughout history
are caused by infrasound and like the way that it
(49:47):
affects our perception and like if you pass through a
beam of like this infrasound, which isn't something usually that
you can hear, but it's something that like affects how
like everything seems to you essentially. And yeah, but yeah,
to your point, Like, I mean, the news media like
that this and COVID have both like just made me
(50:11):
feel really like, I don't know, like the news media
is not served by orderly communication of a clear explanation.
In the case of the Havana syndrome, I think there's
probably a steady pulse of energy coming from the military
industrial complex like to kind of keep this in the
(50:33):
back of the news cycle. But I also think that
the media is just so served by continuing to put
out versions of the story that aren't true even when
there is a pretty obvious explanation to just and you know,
COVID is probably the best example of that that we have.
(50:54):
But yeah, it's a bummer, But I think. But one
thing that I think, because a slight positive, is that
I feel like, you know, as I think we kind
of suspect it seems to be really aggressively being pushed
by like the American like the Department of Defense or
Secretary of State of being like this is like a
whole is like an international conflict that's happening, and it's
(51:17):
not quite getting that sort of traction starting like well,
we need to figure this out, who's responsible, we need
to we know, we need sanctions or things like that.
It's not quite getting there, and maybe it will, but
at the moment it doesn't seem compelling enough because I
think most people like, what yeah, yeah, I don't think
I don't think this story. I don't think we're through
with the story unfortunately, like yeah, I means right, because
(51:39):
it's still there, still getting updates, and yeah, they'll eventually,
I think push will come to shove and we'll have
to see a real I guess debate around it or
just what the Pentagon says is happening and what has
to be done. Yeah, so I don't know, we'll see. Well,
Chelsea as always such a pleasure having on the daily
(52:01):
so much. I appreciate. It's always great. Where can people
find you and follow you? Well? Podcast is American Hysteria.
You can get it probably anywhere you listen to podcasts.
And then I am at Chelsea Weber Smith on Instagram,
and then the show is at Mayor Hysteria on Twitter
and at American Hysteria podcast on Instagram. There you go.
(52:24):
And is there a tweet or some of the work
of social media you've been enjoying the Instagram video of
him nailing that? Yeah, that was um okay, So I'm
bringing it back to around to the beginning here, and
I'm gonna go ahead and use an culture's tweet. Um.
And it's a it's an article about Trump and de
Santis and it says mean girl attacks someone prettier and
(52:49):
I enjoyed that. It's just a picture of Trump's like
smug as stupid ass face, you know, like smiling like
a in that Muppet way he does. And yeah, it
just it was just it was fun for me, even
though I hate Anculter too. Is what she got a
singer in there, you know, I don't know. That's why
(53:12):
I found this tweet is because it was like I
found this video from during her like peak relevance, and
then I was like, what the what's she up to?
And she's just talking ship as usual. Yeah, it does
like it did seem like at a certain point she
was like all right, well, like I can't go along
with this, Like this guy is clearly a dangerous idiot.
(53:33):
She was one of the few people who just kept
who stuck to that and just was like, all right,
I guess I'm gonna disappear from public. Then I'm giving
her a huge helping of the benefit of the doubt
that he has in no way. Yeah, we're being real nice.
I should not have read her tweet, but I did.
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Miles where can people find you? What is the tweet
you've been enjoying? Uh? I got two tweets. The first
is from Anthony olivera at me a Koopa tweeted, at
least the beanie Baby was something, you know, I feel that,
you know, in the era of people paying so much
money for you know, these n f t s, it's like,
(54:15):
you know, at least it was something you know you
could look at shout out to tie anyway. Um, and
another one, this is just great great, I love a
bit of video editing. This is from Manny at Many.
Fidel Uh said, this is from an interview from the
Today Show that Kamala Harris did with Craig Melvin where
he's asking about like the COVID strategy and many tweets.
(54:38):
This answer from Kamala on whether we should change COVID
strategy sounds like me in the tenth grade trying to
bullshit my way through a class presentation. And but here's
the thing. It's juxtaposed later on where he's Manny's saying,
I knew it sounded familiar. So let me just play
this cut. It's gonna be a side by side with
her answer of like don't you think we should change course?
(54:59):
In her fumbling alongside what this is evoking for the tweeter,
it is time for us to do what we have
been doing in that time is every day, if it
is to be said, so would be so it is?
(55:19):
Oh man, if it is to be said, so it is,
so it is, and yeah what it is to be doing,
We are as such every day adjusting the course. That
is wild art imitating life or life imitating art. We
don't know. It always feels like her videos like slowed
(55:39):
down a little bit, or maybe that's just lately, I
don't know. Her video seemed slower to me because you
said been all that lean Jack, Wait now you seem
slower too. Yeah, everything's chopped and screwed. Now. Uh, let's see.
You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien
(56:01):
and a tweet I've been enjoying on the subject of
the Royals pixel lated Boat tweeted. The way Wikipedia describes
your children if you're the queen is disgusting and it's
just a thing that says issue. They call they call
their kids issues, which is great, I feel like. And
then this issued from her do you ever think about that?
(56:23):
You ever seen them? I feel like Prince William should
cut his hair. That's my last important thing to say.
Plaset on the side, buzzt on the side. Its better.
I haven't seen him one, but yeah, well I agree
with that, trying to grow it out. See if I'm wrong. Yeah,
and then uh, tweet I've been enjoying is from a
(56:45):
nasty woman at law tweeted. The feeling affording an email
you have been accused of not sending is probably the
same as winning a duel. It's nothing is more satisfying
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(57:08):
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we think you might enjoy and Miles, what song do
we think people might enjoy today? Oh? This is gonna
be a track from bay Yuka b A I U
c A and it's called mangail m A g U
E I r oh. And it's like kind of like
a dancy tune, but it's got to like some interesting
(57:31):
like chant sample like over it and I kind of
funk with it. It sort of starts off, you know,
I don't know, I just I just like the vocal
sample on it along with the bat And if you
like you know, uh, South American vibes, you'll dick this
track to. So this is Monoca. Al Right, Well, that
is gonna do it for this Friday. We're going to
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Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to nineteen, episode
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Heart Radio. Now This, Well, this is a podcast where
we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Friday,
January four two, which of course means that it is
(00:20):
National Hot Pastrami Day. Get that Colpus drama out of here.
Only the Hottest rams and ratification Day at a Treaty
of Paris and the Revolutionary War, you know, the beginning
of this fucked up experiment that wor Man. I didn't
even know that was a thing. It's like just said
(00:42):
that it's such a like small part of like US
history because everyone just like, man, that's the only date
in the revolution. But I get it. This is when
they said no more, no more shooting at each other. Well,
my name is Jack O'Brien, a K. Jack skipped Dr
Jay's Last Game to watch Jaws two on TV. O'Brien
(01:04):
that's courtesy of Paul Garaventa. Thanks for bringing that back, Paul.
I actually did I did uh do a little research
because I think I had said that it was the
last time my grandfather played Dr j It was actually
Dr J's last home game in Philadelphia. It was I
just read Dr J gets thirty and final Philly home game.
(01:27):
The last quote of this article, this was a very
different night, seventy six Ers coach Matt Guka says, a salute,
a send off, and then Doc reaching his milestone. You'll
probably never see another night like this in NBA history.
So so that is what I skipped to watch a
TV edit of Jaws to a movie that I could
(01:49):
rent on VHS anytime. But you know, I mean, I
was who I was, right, But I feel like, yeah,
life is full of those moments. You're like, was I
thinking like if I had the chance to choose between
those two things, and I would have done it completely
the other way, but you had your priority straight back. Yeah.
And also I'm not sure I would have switched it
if I had to do over again. Okay, hell yeah,
(02:11):
you know I was real and Sharks. Anyways, I am
thrilled to be joined as always by my co host
Mr Miles Grog drank BE, drank P, my friend drank
P drank P again. I won't get on me, Cronna, No, no,
(02:36):
I won't get on me. Cron to Rando Dixon ard
on the Discord for that Nirvana inspired a k a
uh yeah obviously vaccine police tone out here, drink your
pet man safe. The Discord is bringing it. Yeah, some
fire exhaustible. I gotta just chip away at this thing. Yeah,
(02:59):
And I don't look at the Discord just it's a
time thing. I just feel like I would spend so
much of my time in there, so my twitter ak
heads out here just roasting me instead of giving me
that just just being like, hey, remember that time you
were extremely suspect as a six year old. Why don't
we why don't we bring that up? Anyway, Miles. We're
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throwed to be joining our third by one of our
favorite guests on t d Z, a poet and podcaster
who you can hear on the American Hysteria podcast exploring
the fantastical thinking, irrational fears of Americans throughout the years,
through the lens of moral panics, urban legends, conspiracy theories.
Please welcome the brilliant and talented Chelsea Weber Smith. Thanks
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for having me, and I would have chosen Jaws too.
I think that was an act of love. Jaws Too too,
write you recognize that it's not the original Jaws, which
was at that time, I thought a superior Joss just
because the shark was bigger, I think, And there were
like some at one point the shark blows up a
(04:09):
water skiing boat somehow. So those were the things that
I was into. Yeah, out of here. Yeah, I picked
basketball over romance once. Uh the Valentine's Day dance in
high school, my friend and I we just ghosted our
dates because Vince Carter was going to be in the
slam dunk contest. That was the right choice. I don't gay.
(04:33):
That is my like flash bowl memory like for like
my friends, and I'm always curious, like where were you
don contest when Vince Carter did that reverse windmill three
sixty everything. Apologies you know for talking to Homiean and
I going to the dimpo. It was we knew it
was gonna be a whole event, so and it was
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so well. Shout out to Melissa, my cousin, Melissa, coolest
person in who stayed home and babysat me while I
watched just two. Uh, Chelsea, what's new? What's good? How
how have you been? You know? Yesterday I was just
working in my office and I hear what I think
(05:16):
was like a bird fight, and I'm very interested in
the neighborhood birds right now because I have anything else
to do, So grab my binocular as I went outside,
and it was actually two tiny kittens. So now taking
care of two tiny kittens that are like fucking four
weeks old right now. And that was gonna say that
the whole day since then, Yeah, I was gonna say that.
(05:38):
Bird fight is the British term for when dudes are
like catfight. In America, they say, what's a bird How
did it? What's a bird fight? Soundically like that, You're
like bird fight? And right, well, for example, like some
sort of predatory bird, and the crows you got like
like it was like a very high pitched sound that
(05:59):
almost sounds like a woodpecker like that, like and then
but it was the tiniest, loudest screams of these two
perfect tiny kittens. So you know, what do you do?
I mean, I would say foster. I think, yeah, I'm
like the you know, I'm like the grumpy old husband
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that's like, well, we can't have these, you know writings,
and then later they'll be my baby's right to you.
I've seen those videos on TikTok before where it's like
the Grandpa, I didn't want a dog, and then it's
like exactly every day on the reclainer, Yeah, exactly. We
gotta sit an example here, otherwise all these kittens are
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just gonna be coming to our backyard getting into fights. End.
Every once in a while, there will just speaking of
bird fights and the crow example, you'll just see like
a crow just bombing through the backyard with something horrifying
and and it's beak and like a whole squadron of
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birds following it. That's I feel like that's pretty regular
these days. Yeah. Well, you know, over and I saw
his crow was eating like chicken bones, and as I
walked by, he picked up one of the chicken bones
and laid it across the other in like a perfect X. Yeah.
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That's how they lead, right, that's not that thing. I know,
super smart use tools, Like there's there's a species of
crow that they're like can use tools. Crows as to
the highway, Yeah, those tools, they're like these dumb masses
always drive over this part, so we're going to drop
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the nuts. Let them one of my cars. In Japan,
she used to feed these crows out of window all
the time. And at first they'd always be loud or whatever,
and then she's like, you know, like let me just
give them someone like scraps when I'm cleaning up, and
like they would come and eat. And one day she
was like frying something and like left her oil on
and it's spilled over and it started like and she
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fell asleep in the other room and like she had
like an oil fire in her kitchen starting up. The
crows flew into her house and started calling, like trying
to wake her up, and like when she got up,
she prevented her whole house from burning down because these
crows came through with the fucking warning. That's that should
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have been the first story you The first thing you
ever said to me was the story you just told
me five years into our friendship. Yeah, sorry, I like
to look, I can't, I can't give up all the
gems off you know away. Yeah, these crows are la.
We're gonna get to know you a little bit better
(08:48):
in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
couple of things we're talking about. We're gonna talk about
how you know, something with voting rights, something the Democrats
are serious this time and uh, you know that's something
not enough votes. Yeah, I don't know. We'll talk about
mc McConnell verse Trump. Whoever wins we lose, We're gonna
(09:09):
talk about. So Prince Andrew got dropped by the royal family,
kind of lost all the ceremonial ships, and I'm just
making a pitch to the world right now, somebody needs
to get close to him and be like, hey, you
gotta tell your story. Let's start doing a documentary Andrew,
(09:29):
because yeah, jin stuff, but I think it would be
a one of the great historical documents. Just watching this
person who has never encountered reality before. It's like it's
like if Christopher Guests did to make Maid Gray Gardens
or something exactly in there now, we might not even
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talk about that. That was basically my pitch right there. Yeah,
Christopher Guests, go go man. I also just want to
talk about there's new Havannah syndrome cases. I just want
to check back in see Chelsea if you have any
updated thinking on Havana syndrome and just talk about where
I continue to be with that story. All of that
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plenty more, But first Chelsea, we do like to ask
our guests, what is something from your search history. Alright,
what we got so well, mine is Westboro Baptist Church,
Bill O'Reilly and Coulter would be the one that came
up because our next episode is on the Westboro Baptist Church.
(10:34):
So just been like fucking just steeped in it, you know,
because we're trying to understand not just throw things like well,
God's actually loving, but be like, alright, where how did
you guys get here? What's you're thinking? What is your
philosophy that allows you to do this? Because everybody's philosophy
allows them to feel like they're doing something right, So
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we're just trying to understand their whole thing, and then
also kind of tie that to outrage and outrage culture
and how this is like one of those rare moments
where the Westboro Baptist Church united us in our outrage
both the laft and the right by protesting funerals of
AIDS victims and soldiers at the same time and kind
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of fusing them together. So we're like exploring all that,
and then I kind of came across something interesting, and
that was this conversation between and culture and Bill O'Reilly
back in like when the Westbrook maybe you guys, remember
the Westboro Baptist Church was going through all this litigation
because they protested this particular troops funeral, and then they
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were sued by the family and it became this like huge, huge,
huge news story that year, and everybody was kind of
paying attention to it, and uh, eventually the family, So yeah,
the family sued them. It was overturned like one. It
was overturned, went to the Supreme Court, and then the
Supreme Court upheld their right protest outside of these funerals, right,
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and everybody was super mad. And then the argument was
free speech. So I was watching and Coulter and Bill
O'Reilly be very very very outraged at this offensive stuff
and be calling for the Westboro Baptist Church to be
silenced and that they had caused enough. What is it's
an outturt of outrage is the law, and it's intentional
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infliction of emotional abuse. So the conversation was, are the
Westboro Baptist Church causing enough emotional abuse to no longer
be protected? And so I just find I found it
very interesting considering what I imagine are their opinions on
other types of emotional abuse. Right, So it's just kind
of funny, and and there was like this great moment
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at the end, you know, because and cultures such as
you know, she's doesn't she's so awful, but also she's
got like that ability to be so snyde that it's
kind of funny. And at the end and she's being
snider Bill O'Riley. It's this hard thing where I'm like
pulled back and forth between who I hate. But then
she gives him after she explains why Bill O'Reilly, she
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finds him to be correct that they shouldn't have been
able to continue what they were doing. And then she
says at the end, like the law totally supports your position, Bill,
and then he starts talking like well, thank you, thank you,
and then she just goes shockingly enough and she gives
this like shitty little smile, and it's just so this
video is just like so interesting. So yeah, that that's
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my We're just like steeped in this weird Calvinist thing
and it's not exactly a cult. It's just such a
crazy story. Like watching all of them on Howard Stern right,
like they weren't just this church. They were pop cultural
supervillain icons for a second, like they were so much
more than we remember. I think when did that road
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documentary come out? I would say, what, yeah, okay, right,
right right, because that's when like that was sort of
my first glimpse into it, watching them sort of speak
talk their ship and you're like, well, yeah, and be
like a being like a like watching them be a
family is so odd too, because they are and they're
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all like, it's just not it's not this like very
like you would almost think of it as like a
what like a very puritanical, but they're like allowed to
listen to music and where whatever they want within reason,
and like they're allowed to do all these things that
you wouldn't expect, and it's like oddly normal, like to
go to public school and then during lunch they leave
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public school where they actually do have people that are
there like friends, and then they just stand outside the
school with you know, science like all these awful signs
and then they go like all right, mom, I got
to go back to class. It's exactly that, yeah, And
so it's just this bizarre like really trying to get
past just like the outrage of it and and get like,
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I mean that's what our show does, and just like
dig through the the minutia of all of it, and
it's been really really interesting. And how you know, they
were used by people like Jerry Fallwell to be like, well,
they're the real bad people, while Jerry Fallwell is actually
causing them, but not saying it in a mean way, right,
but doing the same means and ends. They figured out
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like how to you know, control a big portion of
the discourse with just a handful of people who like
some well placed lawsuits, Like they were the original ship
posters just they're you know, completely devoid of any kind
of coherent ideological content. They were just doing shipped to
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anger the mainstream media and get get coverage. Basically they
were good at it. I mean we we also took
the baitman. You know, it's wild. So yeah, strange thing,
you know, to let seventy people be so powerful to
wild you know, yeah, I mean yeah, right now we're
letting know like be very powerful in the Senate. So yeah. Um.
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I kind of struggled with this one, but I feel
like going and doing stuff is mine because I've found
that I'm much more of a like through this whole
pandemic thing, I found that I'm much more of a
loner than I thought. And that's why I'm talking about
bird drama in the neighborhood. You know, like that's what
I'm saying. It's like I just go on these Like
(16:32):
there was that tweet in the beginning of the pandemic
that was like nobody could do anything. So it was like,
I guess I'll just go on another shitty little walk
and just like, yeah, that just never ended for me.
And you know, I know the local Uh there's two
eagles that hang out and on our football field and
they kill sewels on the football field. It's very American.
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And I'm like walking by and the yeah, and their
names and I looked it up and their names are
j and Bay. That's when they were named by whomever
names like local bird, like the local bird whatever society.
So they like track these eagles. So like I knew
that the eagle went and had like special eagle surgery
and the eagle was fine. And yeah, their names are
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Jay and Bay. And uh, you know, we got a
squirrel that we give some nuts to. It's snowed recently.
We made sure we took care of the hummingbirds. I
don't know. I was never like an animal person that
much before and now I just like simple, yeah, well
so animals don't have political takes, so it makes it
a lot easier sakes. It's really night well well yeah,
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not always. It's pretty uh, it's pretty glaring the metaphor.
So they the eagles got like interventional surgery to protect
and improve their health, and then they used that to
murder a seagull. I mean, I guess you know there's
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a but what did anybody try and do emergency surgery
on the seagulls or we're just yeah, got it, Yeah,
they're the right. Yeah. Science has officially recently uh designated
to find designated uh seagulls as jabroniboni species, yeah, species
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of or actually is not a bird. Yeah yeah, it's
I always see those takes about like a lot of
people being like, you know, the weirdest thing about pandemic
or the thing that I've learned to do is to
say no to things I don't want to do anymore.
Like yeah, yeah, like that's been man, the amount of
like socially like social pressure that'd be like, yeah, I
(18:45):
guess I gotta go do this thing. I guess I
gotta go meet up here now I'm like purely like now,
you know, like for me, just for like my own
you know, sanctity and in safety and sanity, I will
I just need to be chilled by myself for a
little bit. Yeah, and I think we have more empathy
for people canceling now on us. Yeah, like you don't
know worries, no worries, no worries. Yeah, but that's beautiful
(19:13):
because that was a very stressful thing in life, the
codependent thing of needing to do whatever you said you do.
And now everybody has finally admitted how much we like
to be able to cancel. Now I'm gonna look after
myself and my needs. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm also
not gonna lie to you and say I want to
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be here. I'm gonna be honest when I want to
be there. Yeah, I will continue to be lying, but
yeah I have definitely, uh, I will stay lying in effect,
maybe pick it up a little bit, but definitely. The
whole thing about avoiding situations where yeah, like I was
talking to my therapist about like, I think my social
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anxiety is getting better, and then I was like, wait, no,
I just haven't been in situations with people who make
me feel social anxiety for a couple of months. Anyways,
what is something you think is underrated? This one's for miles,
and that is getting back into tech deck. Tech deck
is severely underrated and then kind of disappeared except for
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like weird pockets of YouTube. So I've been like trying
to brush up get this sick deck. My room is
too dark and me in like a terrifying room for them.
But uh, yeah, I don't know. That's I don't have
a lot to say about it. It's except that it's, uh,
if you're a fidgety type, it's a really nice way
to and you know, I love doing little things where
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I can slowly improve and it's just simple, you know,
And it's like I can slowly learn new things and
it's not you know. So that's another thing I do
because I don't hang out with other people. Reverting to
many finger skateboards. Yes, sorry, sorry, I always found confusing
because my brain just immediately like turns that into some
(21:03):
form of technology that I don't know about. But no, no, no, no,
we're going back in time here. Do you ever get it?
Eat your ever? Much of the tech tech check? No
No I got I was too heavy into pugs straight
through to you. Yeah, one time I landed like a
real solid trick on a tech deck. Luckily a camera
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was rolling and all. Never like I only have one thing,
like only one piece of footie from my skate tape.
But it's sick, dude, it's a knowledge. Yeah, I can
find It's on my Instagram and I think I said
it to a funk with me. You know, I got
it by James Ross. Now that was the first thing
that he told me about when I when I met him,
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was that tech deck. What you're like, dude, anlie kick
flip on a tech what? I feel like it's coming back, man,
because it's like we got this early two thousand's playing
coming back of all kinds of ship and I don't know,
I think it can happen. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see
jackasses coming back. Now is the time exactly exactly alright,
(22:09):
let's take a quick break. We'll be right back and
we're back and where it will be linking off to
this Instagram Miles Sallie kick flip with us quadruple kick flip.
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I don't even know, like people can check the rotations.
I don't know. It's ridiculous. The editing is amazing. It's
interesting to see Miles as like a you know, young
social media influencer doing that's when I worked for YouTube.
Yeah you got the the YouTube energy is strong and
oh yeah, and the office too was so YouTube down
(22:55):
there and Marina del right babeat that ran del right one. No,
so we is like an official daily show with YouTube,
but our office was like across the street from the
space right down there. Oh okay, I gotta gotta gotta
all right, well, let's let's start talking some news. The
something with voting rights, like Biden's piste buns gonna do
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something about those voting rights. There's even been mentioned of
the of filibuster reform to pass some voting rights stuff.
But what what's the latest? The same thing. Right in,
the Democrats are just watching another agenda item go before
their eyes. Um, and this time it was, you know,
it's about voting rights. They're like, all right, fuck the
(23:41):
build back there, ship. Okay, let's try something else. Maybe
people can get behind voting rights. Maybe we can get
a one or two Republicans. No. So, on Thursday, the
House passed their voting rights package, which is like you know,
more early vote days all all mainly and everything making
election day a holiday, same day voter registration and that stuff,
like also the John Lewis Act, which is sort of
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about making sure that d o J had time to review, uh,
like certain proposals to like maps and things like that
from states before they were implemented. So you know, but
this is followed the pattern of every single thing we've
seen with this current Senate, which is it'll pass the
House and then it goes to the Senate where fucking
Gandolf is up in there because it shall not pass.
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That's just the vibes in there. And there's no movement
on filibuster reform either. We've Joe Mansion and Kirsen Cinema,
they've made it clear they don't want to reform ship,
not even to like help their party maintain power. Okay,
so you know there are there are headlines like you're saying,
like Biden will huddle with the Senate Dems or Biden
(24:45):
to make case for voting rights. But I'm really failing
to see how this passes the Senate. It's not like
any of the Republicans are going to join in on
this or into the concept of fairness, but the way
the I guess, like the way they're hoping to do
something as I've heard it describe. Think Elizabeth Warrener was like,
it's like flying a plane and then building a landing
gear midflight, hoping you can land it by the time
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you it's time to land it. And I think that
what they're gonna do is bring it there hoping to
start a debate within the Senate. Have you know, have
Joe Manson and Kirsen cinema here just how much Republicans
are against making it easier for people to vote, and
then hope that then they'll come back around and be like, yeah,
I like, like, let's let's reform the rules because I've
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seen enough now. It's very a lot of like Senate mechanics,
but essentially it's what we're looking at is somewhat of
a Hill Mary pass or a Hill Satan pass. Right.
It's like doing what Elizabeth Warren said, if you had
done that like three previous times and every single time
it crashed into the same spot in the mountain, and
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you were like, well, how about this idea, It's like
you just described the thing that you have done over
and over again that has failed every single time. It's
more like Laura Lee in Yellow Jackets taking a second spoilers. No,
I'm not saying it. I'm just saying that's anyway, We've
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got a lot of Plaine energy flying around the zait
guys at the moment, and it all seems to be
very similar. Mhm yeah. I mean all these things dound great.
This seems like they should be transparently good, fair things
that the mainstream media would be able to like get
people behind. I don't even know how you like argue
against giving people a day off to vote. Well, some
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some people say like, well, you know, like in you
in my state, we have we have more early voting
days than even like blue states. So I don't this
is all just a bunch of panics stuff and it's
not about fairness. It's about power. And on a certain level, yeah,
it is because I think the Democrats He's like, yeah,
if everyone votes like and they're not being like fucked
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over at the poll, are prevented. Chances are we we
look decent in a lot of elections. But yeah, this
is this is just the gridlock that we're experiencing as
we watch you know, leadership completely not fit for the
task of just you know, maintaining voting rights and sort
of the fruits of the labor of conspiracy theories. I
would say, where you can kind of put all of
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this under like lack of election integrity, right, you can
spread the same panic about the It's just like they
just laid this really fucking scary groundwork for this kind
of stuff, and I think it works on so many levels.
Then being like oh oh right, because everybody thought the right,
you can just kind of like put anything under an
umbrella of fraud, right yeah, voter fraud, voter fraud. All right, Well,
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let's talk about Mr McConnell. Veris Donald Trump, because that
I mean, they're not see an eyed I on stuff
such as voter fraud. Mr McConnell is allowed that we
had an election in where the votes were counted, and
and that is I guess like probably the core kind
of difference between or where the kind of riffs started
(28:04):
between the two of them, Right, yeah, I mean it's
just in general, right, like Mitch McConnell has had his
grip on Senate Republicans for a while and it's something
that gives his whole life meaning like you know, Trump
had an agenda, but Mitch McConnell also had his like
you know, conservative fantasy agenda to getting all those judges confirmed.
He did a lot of work like with his view
(28:26):
of like this is how I want to fund the
country up, and I'm yeah, sure it'll help Trump on
some level, but this is what I Mitch McConnell I'm
looking at doing. And you know, I think with McConnell
being on the hill for a long time, he didn't like,
you know, when Trump would bark orders at him, he
was like, yeah, maybe, like it was never always like yes, sir,
Like there was never this like fealty, you know that
(28:47):
never sense that it would be like he would. They
would fall in line on certain things, other times they
would be at odds. And I think that's where you'd
see some conflict because I think you know, now as
you look at what's happening as it relates to Trump
is clearly frothing at the mouth for another stab at
this thing that you know, as the momentum begins to
build for Trump, we're seeing like his little attack dogs
(29:10):
come out and try and you know, destabilized sort of
what's happening because again, this is a cult, right, So
Lindsey Graham has come out to just begin questioning, you know, where,
where's miss McConnell's deal, Like, where who's he? Who's he for? Really?
And can we support this guy? If he doesn't support Trump,
I'll just let you hear it. You know, his his
(29:30):
moment on Hannity of Senator McConnell, Um, people know how
I feel. How do you feel about it? Yeah? Well,
elections about the future. If you want to be a
Republican leader, uh in the House or the Senate, you
have to have a working relationship with President Donald Trump.
He's the most consequential Republican since Ronald Reagan. It's his
(29:53):
nomination if he wants it, and I think he'll get
re elected in I like Senator McConnell. He were well
with the President Trump to get a bunch of judges,
including three three Supreme Court justices on the bench that
got the tax cuts pass working together. But here's the question.
Can Center McConnell effectively work with the leader of the
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Republican Party, Donald Trump. I'm not gonna vote for anybody
that can't have a working relationship with President Trump to
be a team to come up with an American First
agenda to show the difference. All right, thank you, Lindvy,
We've heard enough. So essentially what he's saying is he's
he's trying to say, Mitch, your position as Senate leader
(30:35):
minority leader is at stake. That's that's the risk here.
If you don't throat the Trump boot, I don't know
if I can vote. You don't know where the votes
are going to come from, you know, to keep you
as a leader. Um, and when is that vote happening?
That would happen after the mid terms? Got it? Like yeah,
So that's why they're you know, depending on where certain
election results fall, you'll have the votes on leadership again
(30:58):
and they'll take that into the next session. So I
think that's this whole thing is a sort of it's
all this you know, posturing about again. It's because Mitch
McConnell on certain parts he will he will you know,
maintain his own sense of reality that will run counter
the Maga version. And I think that's what we see
is like the purge happened when you speak out of
(31:19):
turn or you acknowledge the results of the election. Who
would be the new speaker? Right? Lindsey Graham I mean
think about you know, you're not gonna go out there
and be like, I don't know, because who's gonna I mean,
he's been maybe Ted Cruz, which should be so hilarious
(31:39):
to me. But all of the people who are like
very loyal to Donald Trump, there's I mean, yeah, it
could be any one of them, but it seems like
Lindsey Graham may have an eye on that position. But
I think at the end of the day, it'll be
interesting to see what happens. Because Senate Republicans mostly follow
Mitch McConnell more than they do Trump. They're not as
like outwardly mag as their counterparts in the House. So
(32:03):
that's why, like there's this little bit of a power
struggle or you know, whatever it's ended up being. But
I do believe everything he said. I think Trump's gonna
get elected. I think he's the most consequential Republicans since
Ronald Reagan. I think that probably, like anybody who tries
to stand his way at this point. You know, even
(32:25):
the McConnell was somewhat successful at like providing some friction before.
I think anybody who tries to stand in his way
at this point is going to get sucking swept away.
You never know, maybe we get like a Space Cowboys
thing where it's like the old old dudes for one
last one. They're like, let's let's go against him, and
maybe we get smashed out, but let's try it because
(32:47):
we also have egos too. We also got to figure
out who who Trump's vice president is going to be,
because or vice presidential Canada. I guess I shouldn't fully
award him the win. He's definitely he's gonna have the nomination,
but like you know, he's gonna be running against Mike Pence.
There was a really funny Wall Street Journal article yesterday
(33:08):
that was like, it's Pence's nomination to lose. But you'll
notice if you read that article that the person who's
making that claim doing it anonymously. Nobody's no, nobody's willing
to say that ship with their chest. And it was
also like sourced to a friend of Pence. So yeah, well,
and his former staffers. They've been probably some of the
(33:30):
more cooperative people from the administration for the January six commission.
So I don't know if because that's his only path
as if Trump is like in prison basically for that's
the only, And that's what I'm saying, like, because I
don't I don't think every single Republican is just like
given up on their own their own you know, visions
and fantasies of being powerful, you know what I mean.
(33:51):
I'm sure a lot of people like man fucking Trump
for real, like, oh, fucking this guy's I could do
way better than him. And I'm curious and you I
and imagine that you won't see some version of that now.
Whether they or not they're successful, I mean, that's a
completely different question. But I don't I won't discount people's
pursuit of power to not end up bringing them into
(34:11):
conflict with Trump, even if they're Republicans. Yeah, all right,
Uh And really briefly, we have an update to the
story we had talked about yesterday that Prince Andrew's cases.
He will face trial in Manhattan for sexually assaulting a child.
So after that, the Royal family stripped him of all
his I don't know, military titles, I guess, and royal charities.
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Stinging rebuke by the British Royal family, according to the
New York Times, but the Palace said that Andrew will
continue will continue not to undertake any public duties and
is defending this case as a private citizen. So they
are he's He's basically they're like have Adam, which is
pretty wild. But you know what, like this is, like
(35:00):
I said yesterday, this is a like this person might
as well be you know who who's the is it
Finneas Gauge, the guy who like got the bar through
part of his brain and like scientists, Yeah, they loved
studying changed completely, didn't he, Like, yeah, he changed, his
personality changed because a bar went through a certain part
(35:20):
of his brain and they were able to like understand
things about how the brain operates. I think Prince Andrew's
like a societal cultural version of that in that like
he might as well be a like lab experiment who
was like raised in a world of people who have
(35:41):
never told him the truth or told him like to
shut the funk up. He's never like experienced reality in
his entire life, and now they're going to be these
like sunbeams breaking into this world that he's existed in.
Somebody needs to get this ship on camera. Yeah, we
were talking about how it should be like a Jink
style interview show just to watch sort of crumbling happen
(36:06):
and my family, my granny and you can tell. But
because I said granny and my mom both born in England.
My granny's like in her late eighties, so she's like
all for the Queen. It's like loves the royal family.
So it's just been interesting to like watch her have
to react to because it's like, you know, what you
(36:28):
say is yeah, yeah, you know, and she's mad at
Harry and Megan, you know, and she's it's just like
of course, you know, and and it's it's very it's
just very interesting to come from a family like when
I was growing up in Diana died, I had not
heard much like Diana wasn't a positive person to us,
you know, because she was talking to it on Charles.
(36:50):
So it's just this insane drama that is so fucking
bizarre and team wins her all the way. Huh, well,
my mom's not. My mom was raised here and knows
it's all pretty ridiculous. But you know, we all she's
the matriarch, so we don't talk too much ship but
she uh yeah, no, she's just very very loyal. There's
(37:16):
like a strange loyalty that is like beyond our politics.
Because it's not so charged. It's just this like this
very steadfast loyalty that older people have to the crown,
and it's just it's just like it's not religious, it's
just like discomforting. It's a very expensive vibe. Yeah yeah,
(37:43):
but yeah, we gotta get some cameras in there. And
just finally, like so they turned on him. Somebody needs
to going and be like I can't believe you need
to tell your side of the story because nobody else
is going to if you don't. And I mean, like
they're so perfect, and then just like pause, like they're
so perfect, Like think about what's gonna happen to you
(38:04):
now that you no longer have their protection, Like what
would happen if they didn't have that protection? Andy, I
can call you Andy? Right. Look, man, we all have
friction with our moms. You know. I'll say you starry
about my mom. Man. I remember one time she threw
my PlayStation out the window because I was playing too
much Final Fantasy seven and not focusing on my studies.
Broke play what I'm sorry? Uh, I was playing with
the Bones of Child Slaves of Africa. But chest set yes, yes, ah, yes,
(38:30):
a PS PlayStation but like being like, you know, I mean,
what does your I mean, does your mom ever get
under your skin? He's like, oh, You're like I can
also see Elizabeth doing like the you know, Jessica Walter
from Arrested Development being like I don't care for Andrew much. Yeah,
(38:53):
and I mean the stories you hear of I think
this would be true of like Prince Charles as well,
if he like just got left out of the family,
if like one day suddenly they were just like and
you're no longer the Prince was up? How's it going?
How are you feeling about that? Like the stories about
him that you hear that, like the off the record
(39:14):
stories are truly incredible about Prince Charles, like thinking just
that he's like one of the smartest people on the
planet and like everyone's like and he like can't like
really put two sentences together in a very coherent way,
but like he is very confident in everything about himself
(39:34):
and his worldview. So yeah, I just like I think
it would be important to history, to the humanities, to
how we understand you know, privilege and celebrity and all
that ship if we could just get in there, especially
like even if it's completely disconnected from the reality as
we see it, like just to purely here this person
(39:57):
articulate their perspective, worldview and philosophically how they've been moving
through life. You know, yeah, exactly another point, and then
leave a hot mic on him. I just watched the
Janks again. Just leave a hot mic on him, and hey, man,
were all these neces. You know. He's one of those
(40:18):
people that stands in a room where there's when there's
nobody there and just kind of like shuts down and
stares forward and like the clock hands spin behind im
and he just doesn't do anything until somebody comes in
and he just reanimates a lot of footage of that. Yeah,
we saw what he thought was a good excuse, and
it was the type of excuse that like my kids
(40:39):
come up with on the spot when I'm like, when
I come in and they've broken something like it couldn't
have been me because I don't have arms, and then
they hold their arms behind their back or some ship
like That's that was basically couldn't be me because I
can't sweat, right, provided doesn't that or the Falkland Wars
Great Soldier, the Great Soldier. All right, let's take a
(41:01):
quick break, we'll be right back, and we're back and
the you know, just steady drumbeat Havannah syndrome story, Havana
syndrome cases in Paris and Geneva. Secretary of Stepe Lincoln
(41:26):
is like, we just can't figure this dang thing out.
I started war. Huh, what do you guys think? Huh?
Anybody just just no flow to weather balloon and see what,
see what people think? Didn't go for that one either. Still,
best explanation I've heard read is in that New York
Times magazine article that basically just like laid it out.
They were like, here are the people with expertise on
(41:48):
these sorts of situations. They all think it's a functional disorder.
Here's what a functional disorder is. They wouldn't know that
they are experiencing a functional disorder. They would assume that
it is like just kind of laid it out in
a very straightforward way. But yeah, I think it's very
you know, this reminds me a lot of COVID at
(42:09):
this point, in the sense that like the people with
medical and you know, scientific expertise on the subject matter
told us what it was like that article that New
York Times magazine articles from twenty nineteen, and like early
twenty nineteen, people told us what it was, they told
us how to address it, how to fight it, but
(42:29):
like that's been rejected as too boring, and so people
are just sticking with it. Yeah, I mean it's I
think exactly like uh, COVID, we're looking at the situations
where to solve it. It means going against all your
capitalist urges, right, you know, Like to solve COVID means
(42:50):
like you gotta fucking start giving money out to people.
You gotta start giving relief to find a way to
get a hold of this thing, rather than being like,
I don't know, man, make people work. If they have COVID,
they can come in after like two days, I don't
give a ship Like let's just keep We'll just burn
this whole thing out. And just like with this, it
seems more of a yeah, like we're trying to sort
of orient this story as justification for like aggression towards
(43:14):
some other countries, and like la, I mean they've been
Havana syndrome syndrom ng the ship out of us, And
it doesn't seem that people aren't as interested in like
violent conflict anymore. I think more people are like, how
about like fucking equity something like an equitable situation here? Ah, man,
I don't know a ton about this, like what's going
(43:35):
on with this because there are certain stories that because
of the job that I do, I just I'm like,
I can't handle that right now because it's too much
of what I do. So yeah, I'm like scrolling through
some of this stuff. But yeah, I'm kind of like
not knowing enough about what's going on with this. I
feel like I'm doing a bad job of of my
(43:55):
own job here. But syndrome is, Yeah, I do know
what fan of syndrome is. I'm not sure what's happening
like currently right at this moment. Sure, So, I mean
I think it's all part of the same thing, which,
like a functional disorder is basically a stressful event or
you know, illness or even injury leads to a certain
(44:20):
pathway getting locked in neurologically into the brain and it
takes on sort of a life of its own that's
more of a neurological disorder than it is. It's not
being caused by anything physical essentially, And so the reason
that most people who are familiar with functional disorders think that,
(44:41):
and it has a lot to do, like the current
understanding of functional disorders has a lot to do with
like the mass hysterias throughout history, and like the things
where people would where an illness would spread even though
there was no physical cause you know, right right right
ye powerful, and it's like it is. So that's why
(45:03):
so many things work like medically work is because if
you know that when you have a placebo, it's like
it just it is a real thing. And that's obviously
what is when you're having like a mass hysteria, you're
just I don't know. I mean, we don't know what
the cause of it is. But even in Seattle, there's
this crazy story that is so ridiculous, and it's that
(45:26):
people started noticing chips on their windshield like rock chips,
and then so many people started noticing it that it
became this question of like, what is happening to our windshields?
And so many people were finding these chips out of
their window, and and it just turned out that it
was just that people were now looking harder at their
(45:46):
windshields and so they were seeing these things. And I
think that that's like a crude example, but it's like
the way we can just manifest symptoms, it's not at
all abnormal. I mean we do it. We all did
it in middle you know, elementary school, middle school. There's
just like these these things that spread. Like there's like
the story of the kids who couldn't stop dancing, right,
(46:08):
and one of them is dancing, and that's like throughout time,
like throughout history is yeah, just like this inability to
stop dancing, and it's just really it's really really really weird. Yeah,
I I highly Seeah, I think you would really enjoy
this New York magazine. I'm going I'm going to die. Yeah.
It goes into the history, like the history of this
(46:29):
and how like it was very popular in the you know,
nineteenth century. But then yeah, I think then it was
called hysteria and it was tied up into all sorts
of like you know, sexual politics, and and then Freudian
theory came through and like kind of but now it's
it really seems like it's they do kind of understand
(46:52):
it a little bit better now and it's not that
much of a mystery, and they know how to cure
it if the person is just willing to address it
as a functional disorder and that it has like a
neurological basis. But the thing, like the reason that I
think this is kind of pretty obviously or not obviously,
but my assumption is that this is the explanation, is
(47:14):
that these neurologists are saying, these people like even if
so it starts with different things. Sometimes people hear a
weird sound. Sometimes people just like suddenly feel very dizzy.
You know, it's always a different sort of mysterious physical
attack that the government is trying to blame on like
(47:34):
a foreign spy agency. But they're saying, even if that happened,
or even if like they got hit with a like
bag of bricks in the head, like those that a
physical injury to the brain heals after a certain amount
of time, and like these like functional disorders tend to
(47:56):
linger and sometimes get worse and like get because as
they are like you know, addiction and you know, other
sort of neurological disorders there they have to do with
like pathways getting locked in in the brain. And so,
you know, I think that's probably pretty controversial because there
are a lot of people who suffer from chronic pain
(48:18):
and chronic you know diseases that are probably told that
they're not They're suffering isn't real, And like, I have
absolutely no insight or knowledge about any of those disorders.
I just think this one in particular, they have like
looked at it from every angle and the causes, like
(48:38):
the idea of it being a physical attack doesn't make sense,
like scientifically, they can't explain it. And then there is
this very good neurological explanation. So it sounds like in
a really weird way, do you guys know anything about
like the deal Off Pass story, like the stranded Russian
hikers in the fifties, Because there's like one theory that
(49:00):
I think is really interesting, but then it's been you know,
just disputed and whatever. But it's about infrasound. And it's
like that certain like vortexes that can form in like
mountains can actually cause this particular you know, this particular
sound that you don't perceive, and it can cause like
panic attacks, and it can cause all kinds of physical
(49:24):
somatic symptoms and can actually make you kind of go
a little bit nuts, and it just like probably isn't that.
But there's just so many things we don't understand too
about the ways we're affected by things and it's just, yeah,
it's really strange. But I've always found that or I've
read theories that like a lot of hauntings throughout history
are caused by infrasound and like the way that it
(49:47):
affects our perception and like if you pass through a
beam of like this infrasound, which isn't something usually that
you can hear, but it's something that like affects how
like everything seems to you essentially. And yeah, but yeah,
to your point, Like, I mean, the news media like
that this and COVID have both like just made me
(50:11):
feel really like, I don't know, like the news media
is not served by orderly communication of a clear explanation.
In the case of the Havana syndrome, I think there's
probably a steady pulse of energy coming from the military
industrial complex like to kind of keep this in the
(50:33):
back of the news cycle. But I also think that
the media is just so served by continuing to put
out versions of the story that aren't true even when
there is a pretty obvious explanation to just and you know,
COVID is probably the best example of that that we have.
(50:54):
But yeah, it's a bummer, But I think. But one
thing that I think, because a slight positive, is that
I feel like, you know, as I think we kind
of suspect it seems to be really aggressively being pushed
by like the American like the Department of Defense or
Secretary of State of being like this is like a
whole is like an international conflict that's happening, and it's
(51:17):
not quite getting that sort of traction starting like well,
we need to figure this out, who's responsible, we need
to we know, we need sanctions or things like that.
It's not quite getting there, and maybe it will, but
at the moment it doesn't seem compelling enough because I
think most people like, what yeah, yeah, I don't think
I don't think this story. I don't think we're through
with the story unfortunately, like yeah, I means right, because
(51:39):
it's still there, still getting updates, and yeah, they'll eventually,
I think push will come to shove and we'll have
to see a real I guess debate around it or
just what the Pentagon says is happening and what has
to be done. Yeah, so I don't know, we'll see. Well,
Chelsea as always such a pleasure having on the daily
(52:01):
so much. I appreciate. It's always great. Where can people
find you and follow you? Well? Podcast is American Hysteria.
You can get it probably anywhere you listen to podcasts.
And then I am at Chelsea Weber Smith on Instagram,
and then the show is at Mayor Hysteria on Twitter
and at American Hysteria podcast on Instagram. There you go.
(52:24):
And is there a tweet or some of the work
of social media you've been enjoying the Instagram video of
him nailing that? Yeah, that was um okay, So I'm
bringing it back to around to the beginning here, and
I'm gonna go ahead and use an culture's tweet. Um.
And it's a it's an article about Trump and de
Santis and it says mean girl attacks someone prettier and
(52:49):
I enjoyed that. It's just a picture of Trump's like
smug as stupid ass face, you know, like smiling like
a in that Muppet way he does. And yeah, it
just it was just it was fun for me, even
though I hate Anculter too. Is what she got a
singer in there, you know, I don't know. That's why
(53:12):
I found this tweet is because it was like I
found this video from during her like peak relevance, and
then I was like, what the what's she up to?
And she's just talking ship as usual. Yeah, it does
like it did seem like at a certain point she
was like all right, well, like I can't go along
with this, Like this guy is clearly a dangerous idiot.
(53:33):
She was one of the few people who just kept
who stuck to that and just was like, all right,
I guess I'm gonna disappear from public. Then I'm giving
her a huge helping of the benefit of the doubt
that he has in no way. Yeah, we're being real nice.
I should not have read her tweet, but I did.
(53:54):
Miles where can people find you? What is the tweet
you've been enjoying? Uh? I got two tweets. The first
is from Anthony olivera at me a Koopa tweeted, at
least the beanie Baby was something, you know, I feel that,
you know, in the era of people paying so much
money for you know, these n f t s, it's like,
(54:15):
you know, at least it was something you know you
could look at shout out to tie anyway. Um, and
another one, this is just great great, I love a
bit of video editing. This is from Manny at Many.
Fidel Uh said, this is from an interview from the
Today Show that Kamala Harris did with Craig Melvin where
he's asking about like the COVID strategy and many tweets.
(54:38):
This answer from Kamala on whether we should change COVID
strategy sounds like me in the tenth grade trying to
bullshit my way through a class presentation. And but here's
the thing. It's juxtaposed later on where he's Manny's saying,
I knew it sounded familiar. So let me just play
this cut. It's gonna be a side by side with
her answer of like don't you think we should change course?
(54:59):
In her fumbling alongside what this is evoking for the tweeter,
it is time for us to do what we have
been doing in that time is every day, if it
is to be said, so would be so it is?
(55:19):
Oh man, if it is to be said, so it is,
so it is, and yeah what it is to be doing,
We are as such every day adjusting the course. That
is wild art imitating life or life imitating art. We
don't know. It always feels like her videos like slowed
(55:39):
down a little bit, or maybe that's just lately, I
don't know. Her video seemed slower to me because you
said been all that lean Jack, Wait now you seem
slower too. Yeah, everything's chopped and screwed. Now. Uh, let's see.
You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien
(56:01):
and a tweet I've been enjoying on the subject of
the Royals pixel lated Boat tweeted. The way Wikipedia describes
your children if you're the queen is disgusting and it's
just a thing that says issue. They call they call
their kids issues, which is great, I feel like. And
then this issued from her do you ever think about that?
(56:23):
You ever seen them? I feel like Prince William should
cut his hair. That's my last important thing to say.
Plaset on the side, buzzt on the side. Its better.
I haven't seen him one, but yeah, well I agree
with that, trying to grow it out. See if I'm wrong. Yeah,
and then uh, tweet I've been enjoying is from a
(56:45):
nasty woman at law tweeted. The feeling affording an email
you have been accused of not sending is probably the
same as winning a duel. It's nothing is more satisfying
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(57:08):
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in today is episode, as well as a song that
we think you might enjoy and Miles, what song do
we think people might enjoy today? Oh? This is gonna
be a track from bay Yuka b A I U
c A and it's called mangail m A g U
E I r oh. And it's like kind of like
a dancy tune, but it's got to like some interesting
(57:31):
like chant sample like over it and I kind of
funk with it. It sort of starts off, you know,
I don't know, I just I just like the vocal
sample on it along with the bat And if you
like you know, uh, South American vibes, you'll dick this
track to. So this is Monoca. Al Right, Well, that
is gonna do it for this Friday. We're going to
(57:53):
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