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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one h three,
Episode two of Jo Days Night Guys, Yeah, production of
My Heart Radio. This is the podcast where you take
a deep dive into America's share consciousness and say, officially
off the top, fuck Coke industries, as in the Cooke
Brothers and Fox News. Uh. It is Tuesday, October eight,
two thousand nine. Tea. My name is Jack O'Brien, a

(00:22):
k a oh b r e n oh Brian. That's
courtesy of a spector, says, and I'm thrilled to be
joined as always by my co host Mr Miles. Russian
propaganda it's a daily sign and I'm voting right the

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parties on the Sovietan side, as I raised from my
jewel pot and I burned it up. Trolls from Old
Lingo took their meals from the cooks, wait, took emails
from the cook's. Democracy is over raining footing industry, E Miles, Yeah,
we made it. Okay, thank you too. Firstie, I'm a
Gucci may for that one. You know, just keep the
Montella Jordans. He's just keeping the momentum alive. So thank

(01:05):
you for that one. Kind of buzzed. It's all because
this is how we can't hear an a k from
that song and not want to complete the lyrics from
from where it is. It's a problem that I that
I have to deal with. That is my product. Was
that been in south Park? Like Cartman had to sailing?
Wasn't that like there was a Goodies like? I have

(01:27):
to finish it? When I hear that was probably the
last episode of south Park? Episode? Oh really? Yeah, I didn't.
I fell off a little bit. How long ago was that?
I honestly think that was from two thousand. Well, we're
turtled to be joined in our third seat by the
hilarious and talented host of stuff they don't want, you
ton't know and ridiculous history. He is, Mr Ben Bowler.

(01:52):
Thanks for having me, guys man, that's a hell of
a set up. Hilarious and talented. You know, could you
do like middling or severely? I'm going in severely, Okay,
severely severely just all right? Ye? Severely mediocre? Uh well,
great man suffering with acute mediocrity. It's great to have

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you in person. Uh, I think we've well, this is
the second this is our third time around now right,
and last time we were in Orlando together, very huddled room.
Nice to have you in person and not in Miles's
hotel house the weekend. YEA, yeah, yeah, uh great. We're
gonna get to know you a little bit better in
a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a few

(02:36):
of the things we're talking about today. We're gonna talk
about James Harden apologizing to the People's Republic of China.
What do Uh? He did nothing right. We're gonna we're
gonna talk about what why that sentence is not an
indication that I'm having a stroke. Uh. We're going to
check in with a whistleblower Ukraine controversy, Rick Perry. Uh.

(02:58):
We're gonna talk about people predictions. They're really running the
gamut these days about how this whole impeachment thing is
gonna affect Trump. We are going to speak with Robert
Evans about Syria. What's going on with America's sort of
decision to step aside and let Turkey do their thing
in Syria. Uh. And of course we have to check

(03:21):
in about the tide pods for Scotch, the Whiskey tide
pods uh. And Joker did break the record of the
box office, like we expected. Uh, we're gonna talk about that, Uh,
what what it was like at the theater our writer went,
I went and saw it over the weekend, and just

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general impressions. But first, Ben, we like to task our guests,
what is something from your search history that is revealing
about who you are? All Right? So it turns out
if someone looked at my search history today, they would see, uh,
they would see of frantic, frenetic uh search for dispensaries.
Since I'm here in l A. They would see how

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to find a cessna in Alaska. And then they would
see Andrew Johnson overrated because yesterday I was in Greenville, Tennessee.
Uh where everything it's a small town, third oldest town
in Tennessee. Fucking everything is Andrew Johnson branded. Because that's

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the claim to fame high school, any anything to the
America's worst president up to this, up to three years ago,
right until until three years ago, it was him and
a couple of other people in a hotly contested race
to the bottom. Yeah, so that's that's what took over
for Lincoln, right Yeah, Yeah, and really shot the bed. Yeah,

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it's like the idea. They're like dispensaries. All right, where
did I get a single engine? Cessna? A single and
let's learn more about imagine if they had is kind
of loud in Alaska will in? Yeah, that could. If
FBI is paying attention, they might think you're buying weed

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here from a dispensary because you're like the worst businessman ever,
and then trying to sell it with volume. Baby, it's volume.
How much can you move at a time? About fifty
six grams? Well, okay, in my defense, in my defense,
the Sessina stuff. I was googling Cessna wreckage fine recked Cessna.
So the n S A intern who is unfortunately tasked

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with monitoring me. Shout out to Steve if he's listening
in Unit one three B Yeah, yeah, yeah the podcast. Right,
it's like you're getting a little slappy, my man, I
knew that was your CVS. Right. Did you find a dispensary?
I found some. I found some stuff, very much new

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to that exploration, and I to help you, sir, Oh
my gosh, consider me Aladdin and this studio a magic carpet,
because I can show you the world. You didn't need
to go behind him and put your arms. Don't dare
close your eyes started the song? Then what is something

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you think it's overrated? Oh my gosh, Andrew Johnson in
that one town. Yeah, I like the town, just not
the branding. I think I'm gonna go real quick through
a few Uh. Sex in space overrated? The concept of
having sex in space? Oh no, apparently the practice, The
concept is dopey sci fi. Actually yeah, in practice. Yeah, yeah,

(06:38):
that's a weird flex. So you're space fucking recently, uh,
you know, not not yet, but I was never Well,
it's looking because there's been this rumor for a long
time that there were secret US and Russian experiments to
see whether people could have sex in space. I'm just sorry. Yeah,
the concept to see if people could know. But that's

(07:02):
people as if get up with your blood flow right
when you are in zero gravity, and it's like automatically
it's gonna have to be or even low gravity's gonna
automatically have to be kind of uh bd s m
s because you gotta get some velcrow in there. Also,

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I'm just gonna say it, I think a lot of
vegas is overrated, and I think it's gross when people
do like performative selfiees with the suffering, you know when
they're like with the suffering, Yeah, but um but that
connected to Las Vegas. Uh no, No, that's what I'm
throwing to, uh and economically developing countries. And they're like, oh,
look at me famously on Instagram, but mainly sex in space.

(07:48):
I'm just I'm preoccupied with the idea that people put
money into this concept. We can get to a layer.
But the people were sitting there and saying, all right,
we need to put people in space. Let's fucking figure
it out. How do we grow stuff? Like who was
that one person in the room who leaned in It
was like, hey, hey, agriculture and er all right, so right?

(08:10):
So there was an all right, so right, And they're like,
don't ask Ben. You know what He's gonna says it
every time. I think we should see if boners are
possible in space. That's all I'm saying. I've got I've
got a power point. Yeah it's one slide, It's yeah,

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but it's it's it's strange because it's also I've been
preoccupied with this realization. I don't know if we mentioned
this in previous episodes, but statistically speaking, someone out there,
maybe even listening now is the world's worst astronaut. This
is just the hazard of the statistics. And that's probably
the person who who was like, you know what, we

(08:51):
really need to prioritize sex and space. So are we
do we have any kind of more deeper understanding if
the erection is possible in zero gravity? Is that really
the main point? Right? If we're talking about is sex
possible in space? That's because conceivably zero gravity is preventing
someone from having an erection. I forget where I read that,
but I do know that into a stall at a

(09:17):
buffalo while because they say, like, your head starts to grow,
because there's like, because it's your your body is designed
to pump blood up against a force of gravity, and
so it's pumping blood like harder than it needs to
endo your head and less hard below the heart. Well,

(09:37):
the big question to what's what's missing? The point about
anyone who's like, all right, let's figure this little resilience
but they're not thinking about is good example, good impression
of dorks by the way, excuse me, that was my
real voice, that slipoe, But is that they don't need
they don't you don't actually need to have any kind

(09:58):
of intercourse in space. You could just art of ustually inseminate,
because the big question is how would an embryo develop?
But but no, someone's like, you know what, what can
we get away with me? I just like that when
you start searching this, there's click bait as titles this
ship that goes this is not jokings from vis dot
com on what the fun that website is, but it
says you won't believe what happens to an astronaut's penis

(10:21):
in outer space? Hell yeah, please let me know. There's
also some really good footage of like different things they're
testing out and outer space, and there's I think a pigeon.
They released a dove I think in outer space and
it's like trying to fly, but it like doesn't know
what the fun it's not. I'm pretty sure the pressure would. Okay,

(10:45):
it's like in a zero gravity thing, and it's just
it looks really hilarious. Yeah, I know. It's it's almost
like humans being like we have spent so long marveling
and flight, let's take those birds down. Idiot. It later
died of the stress induced cardiac arrest. What is that?

(11:06):
What's something you think is underrated. Other than Casey Diaz,
I strongly feel that it is um. I strongly feel
that trolling political figures, especially Donald Trump on Twitter, is underrated.
I also think it is I love that you guys
shout out the Coke Brothers and the Coke to Puss
every episode because I think that the actions of the

(11:28):
Coke Machine are severely underrated, especially given the death of
one of the brothers who wasn't even like the wasn't
even the final boss and everyone's ding dong the witch
is dead. But it's like if that okay, if you
if you have some semblance of humanity and you object
to the socio political machine socio economic machine they put
in place, then everything you fucking hate about that guy

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is alive and well, so like the the importance of
his death is overrated and the effect of that thing
is underrated. He was just the henchman. Well yeah, or
it's just like people have this idea, like they oversimplify,
like these kinds of plans that have been like forty
years in the may that somehow the guy died, so

(12:11):
it's over one guy. It's like no, this is this
is like decades of momentum behind it. And it's not
about this one person, Like we have this like sort
of movie idea of like, well if the bad guys dead,
then they all live happily ever after. Right, It's like, no,
their plan lives happily ever after. And I took some
heat on that in in conversations you know, online and stuff,

(12:32):
because we did a show on we just show on
David Coke and uh, and people were like, well, you know,
I respect out of respect for the dead and his family,
and where was his respect for the people who did
literally die because of his people who will continue to
because of like the sort of systems that are in
place and lack of care for people. That's all. Yeah,

(12:56):
I think it's libertary, masturbatory, you know, circle jerking. Uh.
And finally, what is the myth something people think it's true?
You got a plots whist for you for you Jack
were bad? Yeah? No, Uh so I did the I
set up sex in space because it turns out it
is a hoax. At least officially, there have been multiple

(13:19):
sources confirming that no one actually had sex in space.
That's just the myth because, like you said, Miles, it's
it's good click bait, right, and so people propagated it.
And Jack, you are correct that everything we know about
physics shows us the circulatory system will be just a
in a very poor state if there's not gravity, because

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it's designed to work with gravity. But as far as
we know, uh, there has not been an experiment in
actual space. Maybe some low gravity banging, but no up
in the shuttle. Yeah, I mean space is tight, you're
basically and I think there were some unsanctioned experiments by
happening with one person experiments. Right, Man, I've been up

(14:07):
in this space station too long. And if you're if
you're listening and you're you're that person. Uh, then right
to Jack and Miles, Yeah, somebody must have, Like there's
been astronauts up there for a year by themselves. I'm
sure they jerked off at some point. I mean, according
to this vix article, they talk about how microgravity affects

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the penis and look, shout out to anybody who has
any eat problems or you can't like just say you
were in space a long time, because what it says
is the penis is not as large as it can
well on Earth and a direction and outer space doesn't
last as long as it can well on Earth, but
they say there's an exception every well. Astronaut Mike Mullane
spoke about his peculiar reaction to being in the International
Space Station. He claims that several times while in the

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space station, he woke up with impressive erections that for
him has the ability to quote drill through cryptonite. Who
said that surely not. I will look they hyperlinked off.
Let's see is this to an actual men's health article
with him? And let's see where let's do a quick
find a couple of times I would wake up from

(15:12):
sleep Piers and I had a boner that I could
have drilled through kryptonite. Somehow that's better than him. The
image of somebody waking up and seeing their erection going
impressive right like kryptonite is such a strange because it
seems it suggested he's competitive with Superman when it comes
to the strength of their erection. Yeah, Like he's like

(15:34):
he couldn't touch kryptonite, though he's like, my direction is
the best direction in the world. Superman's couldn't even get
through the thing. But that's not fair to Superman because
kryptonite saying it should have been like titanium you know,
because then you have a fair one with Superman. But
that's where then that's where you have to suggesting that
he is. That's where he looks very shape. He's cloud

(15:57):
chasing and insecure. Yeah, of course he did the Superman camp.
Get anywhere near Kryptonite, sir, that's not a fair of comparison. So,
but it is. It is apparently a myth. But there's
still there's still people claiming that it happens. Uh, there
was a Superman. Yeah, I'm sorry. Well, the sex thing,

(16:19):
there's a French writer in a book, the Final Mission Murder,
the Human Adventure. He says that it did happen. His
name is Pierre Kohler, and everybody in Russian and US
space agencies denies it. But of course why would you,
especially when funding is getting cut left and right, why
would you confirm that? Like, yeah, it's like hedonism in

(16:40):
space up there, it's basically Vegas. They're like, hey, man,
they're ripping in the terran in the terror and that's
what I'm here for. One guy in Moline in this interview,
they asked it like they ask men's health, the question
has anyone ever had sex? He says in the Space
Shuttle program where we had males and females. I can
tell you that nobody was doing that because there's absolutely
no privacy. The only privacy would have been in the airlock.

(17:02):
But everybody would know what you were doing. You're not
going you're not going. You're not going out there to
do a spacewalk. There's no reason to be in there.
So I wonder if there have been people been like, yo,
let's sucking the airlock real quick. And it's like to
have the thing where it's like everyone knows what you're
doing in the airlock, Like is that a is he
alluding to something? Tell him that we're fixing the suits.

(17:23):
We have a maintenance bay for that. Um. But that's weird. Uh,
that's this whole show is derailing. Yeah, it's derailment. All right,
we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back.

(17:48):
And we're back and let's check in with the whistleblower saga.
Uh so after what happened at the end of last
we where we got the text messages that we're basically
people within the administration and within the State Department being
like we will give you a meeting with him, like

(18:11):
just they they left out was quid pro quo. It
was very elegantly put where it's like, you know, we'll
consider it if like you're considering this. Not as forceful
as Trump was on the phone. It was like I
need a favor though. But then there was a diplomat
who found out about it and in text messages was like,
holy sh it, weird we're withholding military aid in order

(18:36):
to for political purposes. That's disturbing. And the guy responded
like he knew that somebody was eventually going to read these,
but it's getting worse. And again there's no coherent messaging
in terms of what the strategy is from the White House.
It's it's ranged from not to these ain't crimes, Like

(18:57):
I think he's mistaking his transparency as being open, Like yeah, yeah,
he thinks he's getting in front of it, that's right.
It's like, well, you're still transparently doing committing these corrupt acts,
so it's not that your transparency somehow negating that. And
has anybody considered how this will affect the trade the
trade conflict because this is tremendous leverage for the PRC,

(19:20):
for J's and pink can can just simply say, you know,
I'll release the transcript. And then and then the Kremlin,
you know, you guys probably talked about this. The Kremlin said, well,
we need to greenlight releasing the transcript. Although they were like, sure,
you can take out the Helsinki notes. I think they
were saying like they would be okay with that. But
I don't know if that was like a troll move
to be like, yeah, do that. See see how that

(19:42):
looks most you know what we did. Um, So now
we've moved on to you know, last last week, Trump
even said, you know, China, I think they should investigate
the Biden and people like, dude, shut the funk up.
You just did the thing again out loud. But I
mean that seems to be his strategy, is doing the
thing out loud to make seemed like because corruption corruption,
It's not about smearing somebody who I think is the

(20:03):
front run who I'm gonna run against, like that time
when he was like I could shoot somebody in on
Fifth Avenue and nothing would happen like that, shooting someone
on Fifth Avenue actually appears to be a part of
his strategy to do the crime out in the open.
We are we're approaching that moment of the administration. Sure,
um so, now, right on the Sunday shows, officials from

(20:24):
the White House were very uh. It was very clear
they were not having anything to do with the Sunday shows,
which usually that's when you get them out there to
be like, this is what's going on from the White
House perspective. This time, they only had a bunch of
shook congress people who there. This time. When pressed again,
the question was why did he just ask China to
now medal in? This isn't that inappropriate? And no one

(20:46):
could give a fucking straight answer, and the answers were
all over the place. So okay, let's look at Marco Rubio. First,
he's asked, Hey, what what what's going on? He just
asked China to investigate Biden for political purposes. And here's
Marco answer. Do you think it's okay for President Trump
to ask China to launch an investigation of Joe Biden
and Hunter Biden? I don't know if that's a real
request or him just needling the press knowing that you

(21:09):
guys are gonna get outraged by it. Um he's gotten
he's pretty good at getting everybody fired up and he's
been doing that for a while and the media responded, Uh,
right on, right on, right on task. But you're one
of the loudest tritics of China and its human rights
and uses. I mean, is it okay for him to
ask to say that. I don't think it's a real request.
I think again, I think he did it to give you, guys.

(21:31):
I think he did it to provoke you to ask
me and others and get outraged by it. Um guy said.
I mean, he plays it like a violin and every
falls right into that's not a real request. He's doing
the crimes as a joke to get you guys met.
You know, he's just strolling, bro. You know how he
does y'all. He just does a thing. You guys all, look,
he's doing crimes and he gets you all up in

(21:51):
a tizzy. He does a crime in public because he
wants to get you guys, the media to react and
look at you. You're covering the fact that the president
it under the United States, did a crime in public.
That's it's jokes, jokes. But that's like the that's the
fourth dimensional chess argument, right like his oh, his real
strategy for calling for speaking with leaders of foreign countries

(22:15):
who are not all the all the time aligned with
the US is to mess up the news cycle temporarily
shouldn't be So his priority is to funk with the
news media. That's like, that's your defense. That's like a
d C level, like Golden era, you know, when they
had all those ridiculous supervillains. That's like calendar man ship,

(22:38):
you know, right right? Uh. And then Jim Jordan's uh
he went to go to hollow at George Stephanopolis and
this dude, I don't know why he keeps going out
because like the week last week he literally said who
is it? I think to Jake Tapper he when being
pressed about the actions of the president, he just said,
come on man. Yeah. So I don't know why he

(22:59):
thought he was going to go out this time and
somehow be amazing. So this is him on Stefanopolis again,
terrible defense. But I'm still I still haven't kind an
answer to the question is it appropriate for the president
to ask China to investigate Joe Biden. I think he's
got you guys all spun up and obviously question question
because I don't think he really meant go investigate, because

(23:20):
I do you think China's gonna investigate him. I don't
know if China's gonna invest him, but I know that
you know they're not. George, Come on, why can't you
answer yes or no? Do you think it's appropriate? I
don't because because I don't think that's what he did.
I don't think that's what he did. So, but it
was right there on camera. I think I think Senator
Rubio had it exactly right. I think I think our
side says that this is exactly what I think most

(23:41):
Americans say. This is exactly he again, not much there
to work with, and did it just to get you
guys mad. China knows it's a bit. He didn't even
kind of is in on the bid, dude. Don't you
guys funk with comedy? See this is a problem with
PC culture. Man like jokes anymore. He came to be

(24:01):
like China, I needed to investigate a political opponent, is
fucking that's like top level comedy ship man. Yeah. Fuck.
And finally Kevin McCarthy had to go out there and
basically just deny that. Trump even said, let me just
get for context, right, the thing that happened when Trump
was asked, they're saying, what did you want Zelenski to do?
And he said, you know, I think he needs I

(24:22):
needed to looking into the Bidens because there's terrible corruption.
We need to look at corruption. Then he continued that statement,
said this is a verbatim quote. Likewise, China should start
an investigation into the Bidens because what happened in China
is about as bad as what happened with Ukraine. That's
the that's the quote from this man's mouth. Cut to
Kevin McCarthy on Fox and Friends with a whole new strategy,

(24:42):
which is gaslighting. Yesterday, Jim Jordan was asked about the
president say I want China and investigate Biden, and he
said he was just like Marco Rubio. He was just
trolling China. He was just having fun. Do you believe
the President was kind of just having fun when he said,
like Jim Jordan's said that, hey, China want she'd investigate
Biden's When you look at you you watched with the
President said he's not saying China's investcaped. But let's get

(25:04):
to the clear point. If I'm a member of Congress
and I break the law and there should be investigation,
and I run for an okay, because there's nothing much
that he said. He literally just said, I mean, that's
not what he said. I just read you the quote. Likewise,
China should start an investigation into the Bidens because what
happened in China is just about as bad as what
happened with He didn't say that. The thing is, you know,

(25:25):
when you talk abou corruption, okay, wow, Uh, it's a
bit of a panic. So now we're in the new
phase of the scandal, where again every time someone gets pressed,
they throw somebody else under the bus. When it was Rudy,
he threw the State Department under the bus. When it
was Trump, first person under the bus was Mike Pence.
Then this time, according to Axios, he's now throwing Rick

(25:46):
Perry in the Department of Energy under the bus. There
was a quote in this Axios article from over the
weekend where Trump was on a call with other House members,
and this is what he said, according to people who
are on the call. Uh, this is from Trump quote.
Not a lot of people know this. But I didn't
even want to make the call. The only reason I
made the call was because Rick Perry asked me to
something about an liquefied natural gas Plant League. But then

(26:10):
people are like, wait, what, so is there a there's
an energy dimension to this too, And it turns out
there is now but not necessarily with Trump. But when
Rudy Giuliani was out there fucking parading around Ukraine being like,
I'm the President's personal attorney, he also was making in
roads for clients of his in the United States with
these two Ukrainian Americans and a Texas energy guy who

(26:34):
basically were like, this would be a dope, sick gas plan.
We're gonna donate a ton of money to Trump packs
get in with y'all. But here's our thing. What if
you took the Ukrainian gas company Naftogaz, completely flipped their
board with people who we want, and then we can
start exporting our gas to Ukraine and everybody's gonna make money.
That's essentially what was going on. And they had everyone

(26:58):
from Giuliani talking to these people UM to like these
Americans who were like reaching out to people who are
already on the board of this company being like, you know,
actually we think you should be the man. They're like,
this feels like a shakedown, um, and then the so
then on top of that, Rick Perry personally delivered this
message to Zelinsky as well, uh saying like this is
from an article from the a P said, Perry made

(27:20):
clear that the Trump administration wanted to see the entire
NAFTA GAST Supervisory Board replaced. According to a person who
attended both meetings, Perry again reference the list of advisors
that he had given Zelenski, and it was widely interpreted
that he wanted Michael Bliser, a Ukrainian American businessman from Texas,
to join the newly formed board. Then the problem was, then,

(27:40):
Rick Perry, this is where what Trump was talking about.
He asked Trump too, then hey, make sure to like
also mention that thing on the call to yeah, while
you're while you're while you're up there, get that one
in there too, because I'm also working some side this whole. Again,
it's like you're starting to see just sort of how
he's corrupting every single person now. And now I was like, well,
fucking I mean, I guess if we're going to lean

(28:01):
on him for all kinds of stuff, like let's maybe
make some money too. And let me just point out
that Rick Perry, when he was in the running or
as as a presidential candidate. He said, you know what,
we should abolish a ton of ship, including the Department
of Energy, and now he's in charge of it. Yeah,
that's and that's the one one of the ones whose

(28:21):
name he could remember. He don't remember the other one. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Don't be fooled by the glasses, right, or you know,
intelligent search search his wonderful ranch and word head. Right.
Thank you for mentioning that people that article, because you
really want to get a glimpse into this man's head.
He had just looked that up. There's a I think

(28:42):
a ton of easy coats actually wrote about it, like
way back. But yeah, again, this is sort of the
snake pit that we're operating. Yeah, and kind of taking
a step back about how the entire impeachment is playing
for him, because you know, we have conflicting data, we
have polling data. That's is that support for impeachment is skyrocketing.

(29:03):
That's what we're seeing him pulling. But we're also seeing
his approval rating holds steady at a not good but
still steady, you know, low forties. McK mulvaney claims that
based on their skyrocketing fundraising following the opening of the
impeachment inquiry. Uh that he expects Trump to win in
a historic forty five state landslide once the impeachment is over,

(29:27):
because his base is fired up that the four governments
that they're meddling with and can you give me states
because but you were even pointing out that his numbers
are going up with independence, or at least Biden fucking
dived eighteen points. He had an eighteen point or nineteen
point lead, eighteen or nineteen point lead over Trump with independence,
that now he only has a one point advantage now.

(29:50):
And I think it's a it's very it's like within
single digits. He has leads over Warren and Sanders too.
But I mean, I think you know those if the
if the Needle move for independence away from Biden last week,
that means that means they bought this idea, that the
debunked bullshit about the Bidens is true, or like I said,

(30:10):
not to say that what Biden isn't doing reeks of
nepotism and the kind of ship that we don't like
that we would ideally not have in our politics. That
maybe those people are principled enough, but maybe there are
people who are Trump supporters who call themselves independence and like, well,
you know, actually after this, you know that if there's
if the bidens are corrupt, maybe, but I mean, if
you just think about sheer volume of messaging, like we're

(30:31):
hearing NonStop defenses from Trump of his you know, horrible corruption.
And he's got this huge, massive machinery of the US
presidency and this huge one of the if not the
richest presidential election campaign. So he has this huge war chest.
I saw he's running some pretty effectively made campaign ads

(30:54):
that are insane propaganda. But if that's where you're getting
your information, um, it seems like he is most in
his element when he's in involved in a conflict or
involved in a fight, and there has to be something
to react to, right right, Yeah, And so this gives
him something to react to. But like I said, there's

(31:16):
also reason to think, like support for impeachment is higher
now than it was with Nixon at this stage. It
can't be that can't be good. And also got a
second whistle blower. Yeah, we have a second whistle blower.
It seems like there's a ton more ship coming out.
A member of his executive team he used to run
his construction projects and kind of knows like the anatomy

(31:38):
of a Trump meltdown, believes that he's going to resign
rather than face impeachment eventually. I also want to point
out I don't I'm sure everyone saw this. He when
he was having a lover's quarrel with Fox, he floated
the idea of having a state owned out media outlet

(31:59):
that would be more in line. Yeah, these are I mean,
there are all things that are going to look like
very clear steps to future historians, you know, right, Yeah,
what starts off as like, well, Fox News wasn't enough,
and he jokingly said that and welcome to the Trump
News Network. Although I mean the people that he has
on his own like weird little YouTube channel, it's very

(32:20):
If that's what it's gonna look like, I think we'll
be okay. It's it's like the least convincing conversations about
nothing I've ever seen. And again, there's this woman who's
on there. Who is this woman who claims she was
a pussycat doll, And they're like, yo, she wasn't in
the group. She's like hotly contested because when they blew up,
she wasn't part of the group. But I think she
was saying in the build up was and that's like

(32:41):
one of their sort of nicer like clearly they're like
we need we need a hot blonde woman because everyone
is so like camera ready on that channel, and it's
like Laura Trump too. It's really about there's no no substance,
it's all the optics of it. Yeah, all right, let's
move on to the stakes. What you having somebody like

(33:01):
this in office running U S foreign policy UH does
to the world. And we actually have Robert Evans, host
of Behind the Bastards and the new weekly podcast Worst
Year Ever, about the election and just all politics in
general at this very moment on he is recently come

(33:23):
back from being in Northern Syria, which is exactly where
this UH Kurdish led fighting force is from. So basically,
the US partnered with a fighting force in Northern Syria
to defeat isis in that part of the country, and
it's like partially Kurdish, which is an ethnic group in

(33:44):
that region of the world that doesn't like actually have
a state, but it's also you know, a bunch of
other people, other types of people. And Robert Evans, host
of Behind the Bastards, who's about to join US, went
over there and actually spent some time time with this
fighting force because they're incredibly progressive. But anyways, the US

(34:04):
partnered with them to drive out Isis, and they are
despised by Air Tawan and you know his government in Turkey,
and he's been itching to have the all clear to
attack them and basically carry out essentially a genocide. Right Yeah.
And I think the US pulling out sort of is like, Okay,
well we'll turn our backs to this, and but just

(34:27):
promise you'll be good. You won't do the thing that
history and what we think with our we see all
with our own eyes won't happen. Right. Trump announced, uh,
two nights ago that he is going to step aside
basically let let Turkey do its thang. Uh. And that
in that fang is fucking violent and terrible. Yes, uh.

(34:50):
And it's you know, experts on the region are troubled
for a number of reasons. We wanted to ask you then, Robert,
because you were uh, like a couple of weeks ago,
hanging out with these Kurds in northern Syria. Yeah. I mean,
you know, they're they're not all Curreds. That's generally how
it gets boiled down in the in the media because

(35:11):
it's it's a very complicated situation. But the the group
that is in control of Rojata in particularly the military
forces there, but also sort of like it's a very
um had a regeneous region and so like the people
that I spend time with were Kurds and Arabs and Armenians,
and you know, there were there were a number of

(35:31):
different groups out there, UM, a number of ethnic groups. Uh.
And in the early days of of the Rojada and project,
most of the particularly the fighting forces were Kurds UM,
but that's no longer the case in every region. Like
some of the places with some of the cantons, which
is essentially analogous to a state that we went, they
were actually majority Arab fighting forces. UM. I spent a

(35:54):
day on a military base for the training of members
of the women's militia that was that was all Arabs.
So it's it's a very mixed force. And in fact,
one of the things that like it's pushed a lot
to kind of defame these people in the international media
is the idea that they're they're all Kurdish and at
the Kurdish dominated force and so like, that's one of
the lines Turkeys using is that these cities rightfully belonged

(36:15):
to Arabs uh, and the Kurds are like ethnically cleansing
these regions of Arabs. And then nothing could be further
from the truth. What's kind of like, I know, when
you were there, right there was all I'm sure there's
always like this fear that Turkey would invade or the
US would basically turn its back on the Kurds. What how,
what was sort of the environment like when you were there,

(36:36):
when things were not as certain? I would say I
was with him one to two miles sometimes within a
couple of dozen feats of the Turkish border. Uh. Much
of my time in Rojava, I was actually usually using
a Turkish cell network just because those were the strongest
cell towers in the area. UM. And you could see
the entire Turkish border with Rojava is there's an enormous

(36:59):
border wall, a huge concrete slabs and guard towers, um
and it just sort of looms over everything on that
side of things. And the Turks built up with this
enormous you know, it's kind of like the wall that
I think Donald Trump dreams about at night when he
imagines what he might build on the Mexican border. It's
it's that kind of construction areas that would like chap

(37:21):
you in half and alligators guarding not yet yet, but
I think that has more to do with the climate.
You know, the stand damages laser working and allers don't
do so well with the desert. Um. But like while
the Turkish forces like dope up with this gigantic wall,
the Kurds were drilling down and we you could watch

(37:44):
the construction of it wasn't even really secret. Um, hundreds
of miles of tunnels under every single city and every
single military base, uh and the twenty five down. I
looked down into a couple of the shafts while they
were building like enormous constructions meant to be uh protected
from aerial bombardment, everything that they've they've been building for years. Um.

(38:05):
It was a really like significant construction. And everyone I
talked to and befriended over there was sort of there
was this kind of there was a little bit of
hope maybe the US won't abandon us. But I would
say the vast majority of people I talked to there
was this kind of dull acceptance that like y'all are
going to abandon us. Sooner or later, you're going to

(38:27):
abandon us, and we're gonna have to fight Turkey. Like
they're very pragmatic people over there. You don't get a
lot of um, kind of hopeful idealism over there. There
was this kind of we're enjoying some peace now and
it's nice, but there's no way we can trust the
guy who's running y'all's country, and in general, because things
changed so much depending on who's in charge in the

(38:48):
United States, we really can't rely on you for long anyway.
And there's accept there's sort of a burden of history
of play here too, because it's unfortunately part of the
U s is geopolitical m o right to use groups,
uh use indigenous groups against one another and then abandoned them. Right,
This is not the first iteration of this sort of strategy. Yeah,

(39:11):
you know, it's always a little different each time, Like
the one of the other, one of the the other
cases in history, the people will point to a sort
of being like this is, um what happened with the
Montagnards in Spain, which was the group of indigenous people
in Vietnam who fought with the United States and with
South Vietnam against you know, the Vietnamese Communist forces, and

(39:34):
you know, obviously that didn't work out, but we did.
There was a pretty comprehensive UM resettlement plan for like
helping those people who could get those Montignards could get
out of Vietnam find homes in the United States. A
lot of them wound up in like Michigan. I think, UM,
I've talked to a couple of people from whom that
was the journey. The same thing kind of happened with Mong.

(39:55):
So there was at least an effort made too. Even
though like we we gave up the ghosts in that fight,
there was an effort made to UM take some sort
of care with the the individual people themselves that had
fought for us. And I don't think we're like, obviously
that doesn't mean we didn't abandon them, but it's it's something.
And I don't think we're even going to do that
for our Syrian Kurdish allies, my friends over there. I

(40:18):
can't even get visas for anywhere. Like you if you're
if you've get a Syrian passport, UM, and if you're
lucky enough even have a Syrian passport, you can't go
to Europe, you can't go to the United States. Um,
there's no way to do that legally. You have to
try and do the whole smuggling route. So like, um,
it's it's a pretty comprehensive abandonment that these people are

(40:39):
going to see, right, And I think, you know, looking
at sort of how the story evolved, right, Trump put
out his uh wild tweets saying and like in his
infinite wisdom that he would obliterate the Turkish economy if
they did anything that he saws off limits. And I
know Lindsay Graham was pretty vocal and a lot of
actually a lot of Republicans for the first time we're

(40:59):
oullowed to agreeing with Trump on this um and just
saying how terrible of an idea it is. How likely
do you see even with the like the relationship between
the U S and Urduwan, how real that threat is
of like, well, don't do anything off limits now or
do the thing that we think you're going to do.
I have no faith that any of that will happen,
because I think, um, one thing all the other one

(41:21):
has to do is deny that whatever is happening is happening.
Which they did in a Thrine, which is the other
a city that Turkish forces took over the last year, UM,
and they carried out an ethnic cleansing campaign. You know,
the side I one of the sides I write for
Belling Cat did a lot of analysis of like satellite
photography over the area and you can see like um,
like one of the things that they did is they

(41:41):
went into the graves of these Kurdish martyrs who died
fighting against ISIS, which are like kind of political monuments too,
and just bulldozed these cemeteries, UM, which is like part
of genocide. Like the destruction of of cultural centers like
cemeteries is an aspect of the genocide UM. And there's
a lot of fear among the Kurds that that's what

(42:02):
Turkey has planned for them UM. And you know, more
to the point, the Turkish forces support hardcore Islamic groups
in the region. This has not been heavily reported on
in the Western media, but it's it has been reported on,
and like there's evidence beyond the shadow of a doubt
that during the early stages of the spread of the
Islamic State UM, the Turkey was allowing ISIS fighters to

(42:26):
cross into Syria. And I've talked to dozens of people
at this point who watched with their own eyes ISIS
fighters entering UH Syria to go fight, like moving directly
from the Turkish border to the front lines and Syria
fighting against the YPG and wounded fighters leading back into
Turkey UH and like going to Turkish hospitals and being

(42:47):
given care. Um, it was very direct, it was very obvious,
and it's very well documented the aid that the Turkish
government gave ISIS fighters Because number one, Um, there's a
lot of support and sympathy for kind of extremist, hard
hard light Islamist groups like that in the chunks of Turkey.
But more to the point, um, you know, they're also

(43:10):
enemies of the of the Syrian state, Like they don't
like Alasad either. It's two very unpleasant dictators who hate
each other. Um. But Turkey saw having ISIS in that
area is kind of a buffer zone both against the
SOD and against the Kurds, who are also their enemies.
What what's in it for Trump? Why is Trump stepping aside?

(43:32):
Why why is the US making this move at this point?
Is it just that he you know, Ari Juan is
also or is the strongman dictator that he aspires to
be in game recognized game or is it like, is
there some strategic element to this? Yeah, I've got two
theories in my head, and I don't know which is

(43:53):
accurate from what I'm reading today. Um, the justification that
Trump is giving is that, um, the European forces were
not our European nations were not doing enough to take
in uh, their captured Isis fighters. Um, which is true. Uh,
European nations needed to do more to actually take and

(44:13):
prosecute the members of their nations who went out to
fight for Isis. They just kind of left them there,
which is not cool, but it is a fairly minor
issue in the grand scheme of the regional politics. His
other justification is that the US beat ISIS and we
don't need to be there anymore, um, which is absurd
for a couple of reasons. But I so, I think
the justification Trump wants to give is that the US

(44:36):
is tired of footing the bill for this whole effort,
and we're going to leave it up to other people
to to to solve. Um my theory about what went on.
You know, we know we had a conversation with arid one,
and I suspect one of two things happened in that conversation.
Either are one said, Hey, I'm gonna invade. I'm I'm
ready to move in. I've got my forces masks, I'm

(44:56):
going to do this. Um are you going to stop me?
And I that would have been a bluff because Turkey,
if the US wanted to oppose that, it would last seconds. UM.
From one thing, we could cut off their access to
the mechanics who maintain their entire military force. UM. But
I think Trump saw that as possibly getting him embroiled

(45:18):
in a new war, which would be bad for him politically. UM.
So I think that's one possibility that urd Win uh
gambled and Trump is a coward and backed down UM
and didn't want history worst negotiator. He's unbelievably bad at
He's the worst negotiator than me. Uh and I always

(45:41):
pay double the blue book value for whatever. Um. Now.
The other possibility is that he had a really good
song called with Erdoin, and Erduin was like, Dude, we're
gonna take care of all these isis. Guys will take
care of the whole region. You won't have to wear
that anything, and then you get to brag during the
election that you got US troops out of a whole country.

(46:02):
Um And he can't. Obviously he can't get out of Afghanistan.
He clearly wants to, but for whatever reason, nobody can
get the US out of Afghanistan. So if he's going
to brag about getting the US out of a country,
this is his best option. Um So that and I
kind of them leaning towards that that he wants to
be able to make that sort of campaign brag in

(46:23):
the coming months. Um So he did this, and it
is it is kind of hardening to me to see
all of these Republicans who I do not like, are
pretty unanimous and outspoken that this is a terrible idea,
um because it is one thing those people tend to
get is like well, but like like like when I
was a kid growing up in a very conservative household,

(46:43):
Like the whole line being given about why the invasion
of Iraq was a good idea focused around how much
better it was going to be for the women in Iraq.
Um So the fact, like if you the reality on
the ground in uh Rojab is so um stark and undeniable. Um.
The improvements in women's right. It's it's unbelievably radical. Uh.

(47:06):
And under I think a lot of the improvements in
women's rights under this Kurdish Yeah, under the Kurdish Kurdish
led forces, primarily Kurdish led forces, has been so um
revolutionary and so comprehensive. And I think there's a lot
of folks who, even though they might be inclined otherwise

(47:26):
to go along with the president because they're Lindsay Graham,
just can't in good conscious ignore that fact. Um. So
I do think that's a factor that these guys that
they have a glimmer of a soul and they're like,
but this is the thing we've been trying to do
for twenty years over there, right, Yeah, is uh, you know,
put progressive values into action in the region. Yeah. Um.

(47:49):
It also seems like it's a broader a reflection of
the broader issue we just got done talking about the
whistleblower Ukraine controversy, and you know that there is another
situation where the president is sacrificing American interests and the
interests of American allies abroad for his you know, political considerations.

(48:13):
And it sounds like you're suggesting that could kind of
more implicitly be what's happening uh in in this case. Alright, well,
Robert Ovans, thank you so much for joining us. Uh,
it's been a pleasure talking to you about this horrible subject. Yeah,
it's uh, it's really frustrating. Um. I think I would

(48:36):
I would encourage people who want to read more to
to look up David Graber. He's a he's an anthropologist
who has written for The Guardian and and also been
in Rojava. Um, you know you might check out his stuff. Yeah,
that that would be my um advice to people. And
he's writing about this specific kind of progressive feminist culture
that has taken hold among the forces that have that

(48:59):
are kind of in power in Java. Yeah. Yeah, he's
written a lot about that, and UM, I'm I'm working
on pieces about that that'll hopefully be outside. Raby's actually
got a lot of stuff published, So I would I
would recommend looking into his his work on the matter. Awesome,
Thanks for Robert. All Right, we're gonna take a quick break.
We'll be right back and we're back, and enough of

(49:31):
all that heavy ship guys, let's talk about tide pods
for Scotch. Yeah. Oh, man, you know the problem with
drinking is that I can't eat the glass I'm drinking
out of. I've noticed you try to do that. Yeah,
well that's why might have terrible mouth cuts. My gums
are in terrible shift. Of lacerations I have oral lacerations

(49:52):
I have are terrible. But apparently the people like Glenn
Livid think that's a real concern from the general alcohol
consuming public. Yeah, because they have just announced a very
odd tied pod esque cocktail that will only be available
in a bar in London. Who has a very disturbing website. Yeah.
Their website looks like a bundle of mushrooms being drenched

(50:18):
in maybe a milk or some kind of bodily substance.
It's ben just let that. Okay, there we go. Who
is being poured on a stack of mushrooms. I don't
know what that means about a bar, but this is
a very forward thinking cocktail. They're offering three different cocktails.
They say no ice, no stir, no glass, So it's

(50:38):
a single shot worth of scotch putting your mouth and
it bursts into your mouth. Don't people sip scotch though? Well?
These are cocktails and their capsules as they see in
the video the capsules, Yes, the capsules with man orally
placed capsules. Also, I'm pretty sure people will probably be

(50:58):
boofing these, But that was my first thought, is how
do I y? Yeah? Yeah, well I think that the
capsule itself is made with a sustainable seaweed extracted casing. Yeah,
those of us who have long wanted to take our
shots as positories now have an option. The video, the

(51:20):
the ad in which they announced this, it's very difficult
to tell if it's a piece of satire or not.
But the actress who they have taking the capsule capsule
into into her mouth, like, there's never been a worst
illustration of someone enjoying our product because her mouth is

(51:42):
like so full and she's just like doing her best
to try to like illustrate that this is like a
fun thing and no big deal. But everybody's like, m like,
you can even like the way the actors are portraying it,
it's still kind of like this is weird? Is it
like the Is it like that subculture on YouTube where

(52:05):
people are just filming themselves eating stuff in a weird smr? Yeah, No,
it's just it's like shots, stylized shots, it's just they
weren't able to make it look seamless. You can tell
they're not. They couldn't. They couldn't find an actress with
a big enough mouth to make it not seem just
weird as hell. Yeah, they're the three whiskey is is zesty, citrus,

(52:28):
spice and would Yeah, those are the three. Yeah. Let
me get wood. Yeah, let me get a wood capsule, holmie.
Let me get three woods real quick. Yeah, and uh,
two spice in a wood please sue spice ittle woods
the thing that people want out of their whiskey. I
guess central notes. Yeah. I always hear it called notes,

(52:51):
but I'm not. I'm not a you know, a Scotch
doctor or yeah, a scotch. A scotch thank you, yeah,
thank you. It's the proper term. I mean, I the
thing is, I really like Scotch, but I only drink
it neat. You know, it's like my favorite winter alcohol
to drink, you know, have the have the fire, you know,
gather around the hearth. It seems like one of the
more overwhelming tastes of any of the liquors. Like it's yeah,

(53:15):
it's a lot to take. That's why a sipping drink.
So it's but it's a lot of the things that
people want to do with their thing is that they
don't take shots of it. But that's because they can't
have the shot just burst into their mouth. You would
never you would never do a shot of scotch nobody. Yeah, right,

(53:36):
thank you, But that's why, you know, I guess these
cocktails must have, you know, very very specific flavors. So
it's a nice Scotch based cocktail. I would wonder if
it's deluded somehow too, just because like what you said, Jack,
the flavor is so overwhelming. Yeah, it would be a lot.
Maybe it's more like Southern comfort or something like that.
People are just like fucking spitting it out like it's

(53:57):
too much. Yeah. The act the actors are like the
day rate is not covering. Yeah, they're asking, like, coun
I actually just use a tide pod for this. I
think I might be able to make it easier face. Alright, guys,
let's talk about what is going on with the People's
Republic of China as it relates to the Houston Rockets
NBA basketball team. Yeah what wow? Yeah. Darryl Morey is

(54:25):
the GM of the Houston Rockets, he's uh called dork
Elvis by Bill Simmons, And they called him dork Elvis. Yeah,
because he's like a huge deal at like this metrics conference,
Like he's the man like Metrics here, Darryl Morris here.
Holy shit, Yeah, he's like Saber metrics. He basically is
the moneyball guy for the NBA um and he has

(54:49):
completely defined the identity of of the Rockets, like how
they play, the fact that James Harden takes as many
threes as he does, the fact that he draws my
the fouls as he does that, the fact that they
built their team around jasign by design, and it's really
goes back to this guy's philosophy of just like looking
at the highest value shots on the court and building

(55:13):
the team from metrics back. And the Rockets were considering
firing him, according to reports over the weekend, because of
a single tweet in which he expressed support for the
protesters in Hong Kong. Yeah, it was like like stand
with democracy, something about democracy, stand with Hong Kong. Nothing,

(55:34):
nothing mentioning the word China. But I guess obviously if
there's a binary here, if you're standing with Hong Kong,
then I guess you're probably against China, and they took that.
I think the first one of the first responses China
was like, you know, I think we're gonna pull all
the Houston Rockets games from TV. We are no longer
interested in broadcasting just a single swath, just literally like

(55:55):
and I think that was sort of the shot across
the bow of the NBA saying you want to keep
doing this. You know, you've spent a lot of time
like trying to get our dollars and opening up this
revenue stream that's big for you, and now we will
show you that your God is money. Yes, uh, and
march out a player to apologize on behalf of the
entire NBA. So they got James Harden their star and

(56:20):
uh two years ago m v P last year m
VP runner up to apologize on behalf of the organization
to China and express his love for China and all
that they're about. That happened. Yes, it was just one
tweet and right now there's they're playing games in Japan
and so like it was weird. It's him and Russell

(56:40):
Westbrook anything to say, But James Harden is like, Okay,
what do I have? Okay, I'll say it and yeah,
it looks like a hostage video. Let's play. Yeah, we're apologize. Um,
you know, you know we love China. We love you know,
playing there. I know, for for both of us individually,
we go there, you know, once or twice to hear. Uh,

(57:01):
they show us the most important love. So you know,
we appreciate it as a fan base, and we love
everything you know they're about. And and you know we
appreciate the support that they give us individually and as
an organization. So uh, you know, we love you. Oh my,
that was painful, man, dude. We love everything you're about. Love,
love to work with the weakers, Yeah, work in harvesting. Yeah,

(57:25):
I love everything you're about. I think you can take
the alleged out honestly keep but Jesus, I mean, like really,
that's just so embarrassing and it's so sad to just
see how much this money based system is being like, Okay,
fuck it, we can't even like have a be on
the right side of something like this. And you can
hear the you can you can hear when people are

(57:46):
recalling talking points, but you know, we apologize even wait, Dan,
can you just play we apologize if the we apologize
is so weak up top right, we apologize It sounds
almost like or something like the quality of the clip
or something. But yeah, I mean the relationship between American

(58:08):
corporations and China's tricky because on one hand they are
an authoritarian regime that is involved in horrible human rights
violations and you know, threatening US implicitly with their weapons.
But on the other hand, uh, they got a lot
of money and they have such a huge market. You know,
it's even it's changed the film industry for sure, among everything, yeah,

(58:31):
video games, and also I gotta tell you because you
guys know, in some of the shows I do, we
get involved with research into stuff like Hong Kong, research
into stuff like surveillance, states, sesame credit and so on.
And now we're hanging out talking about this in the air.
Are we going to be able to get in? Probably not? Okay,
well I better not see any of us. It goes

(58:52):
free to Anna on some video saying we apologize, I
won't be able to go to that Twilight theme park
they're making. Damn it wasn't. That wasn't. Actually, can we
cut this segment? I totally forgot about the Twilight. That's
gonna be big. I love you, China, and I apologize

(59:15):
honestly dog for everything you're about, which is chilled to me.
So I don't know what the big deal is. I'm
gonna be up at the embassy having that Uh what's
that rom com where he holds up the boom box
and it's rain anything? Yeah, do say anything at the border? Man,
I feel bad. James Harden must be like, why the
fund did I have? That's terrible? Seriously, I'm joking around,

(59:36):
but that is not just terrible. That's right. That was
the most influence. Yeah, when you realize who is the
for lack of a better word, master in this fucking
situation where they're also be like okay, well moneys are
God and now James Harden go what pulled? Yeah? Unbelievable? Uh,

(59:57):
all right with the Joker movie made a bunch of
money over the weekends. I saw it, miles, you didn't
see it? Do see it? No? I read a lot
of think pieces written by people who hadn't seen it
before it came out. It's hard not to have a
think piece just like spontaneously come out of your body
after watching it, because it's like such an overtly political movie.

(01:00:21):
Like I went to sleep and had nightmares about like
the world, like our society coming to an end the
whole night after watching it. Uh, oh my god. Yeah,
so it's pretty good. Huh. It's it's affecting. Yeah, well,
I mean it's it's a very well put together piece

(01:00:42):
of propaganda for something for a very specific like point
of view that is really I guess problematic. It's really strange.
So is it caping for this mentality? Like you're justified?
It puts you in that I mean, and you're you
find yourself like rooting for this lonely, mentally ill guy,

(01:01:07):
and the relationship to mental illness is really weird because
he sort of becomes fully himself and like the person
that you find yourself Like, there are many times where
he can't say what he wants to say over the
course of the movie, like for the first two thirds,
but once he's off his meds, he like becomes the

(01:01:28):
like smoother, cooler version of himself, and like he becomes
more violent, but the violent the violence is, I don't know,
it's it's hard. Now he's an unreliable narrator to right
without spoiling things. Yeah, I would say, so he is. Yeah,
I mean there's definitely that's definitely suggested a couple of times,

(01:01:52):
but it's still it's interesting. Did you get any did
you get any of the because I read stuff where
people were saying up like the people in the involuntary
in cell, people were supposed to be showing up at
theaters or something. So so our writer Jam like my experience,

(01:02:12):
I went fairly late after the kiddies were in bed,
and uh, I say, did you bring them just chill?
Just children? But I had a pretty normal like there
wasn't a big security presence, but our writer Jam McNabb
went over the weekend and there was not just a
security person out front, but a security person inside his

(01:02:36):
screening and like his walkie talkie kept going off like
during the movie you could hear it, which is pretty wild.
But yeah, the media was like on alert, like was
there going to be an attack over the weekend and
it was a lot of a lot of you know,
there there was a foul smell coming from a theater
nearby and people were concerned about a gas attack, but

(01:02:58):
like they don't know what it was. But yeah, there
were two men were smoking and causing a ruckus during
a screening. But it just sounds like if you pay
attention to everyone in movie theaters over the course of
a weekend, like that is going to happen. There's a
foul smell in every movie. Yeah, yea, yeah, the real ones.

(01:03:20):
Yeah yeah, also causing a ruckus. How would nineteen fifties?
Is that like what they're smoking indoors and horsing around
like I'm smoking a cigarette here. Yeah, I'm sure they
were vaping and because this article was written by a
time traveler from there, that they were smoking it up.

(01:03:43):
Um yeah, I mean jam wrote that he has to
admit he was a little jump here than normal. I
was definitely like keeping an eye out. But you know,
but I think, yeah, right, I mean it's but I
feel like, how much of that is just sort of
attached to this origin story about the Aurora I where
we come for everything? Joker means, you know, we're attaching

(01:04:04):
all these like sort of past traumas and things to
this one character. Also that theater refused to air the
Joker refused to screen it rather. Yeah, It's it's strange
because you know, I don't want to sound conspiratorial. I
know it's a little bit stereotypical for me. But but

(01:04:25):
we have to ask ourselves, like this is getting so
much press and the other stuff that you guys just
talked about earlier in the show, he's getting like equal
time or gen less attention, inte. And this is a
this turns out to be a complete non story in
terms of what actually happened. I will say, like it
did really well. I would expect it to continue to

(01:04:47):
do well. And I mean it has a very clear
message or like a very I don't know. I I
do think it will be have an effect on the culture,
Like I don't think it should be just treated like
any other movie. I do. I do think it's probably
worth keeping an eye on how people are responding to it,
because it almost seems like it could be a movie that,

(01:05:10):
like the sorts of people who do mass shootings, like
that sort of mentality would rally behind or at least
expressing like what they are feeling when they do that,
which is I guess a valid like artistic. It's not
like necessarily glorifying it, but it seems like the sort
of thing that could be like the sort of rage

(01:05:33):
and anti society, like anti establishment society sentiment a little
legitimacy or something. Yeah, how much of the how much
of that do you think is rooted in the time
in which it came out or like, is it is
it like this very timeless narrative like thirty years from now.
It's set in the eighties, I think, or sometime around there,

(01:05:56):
early eighties, late seventies, and but it's vision of d
life is like very like they refer to like how
the city is being overtaken by criminals, and they refer
to them as animals. A couple of times those are
people in authority. We're not necessarily meant to identify with
that sentiment. But he does like get beaten up by
a gang of like twelve to fifteen year old children. Uh.

(01:06:20):
And I think it's a powerful movie. I just don't
know if it's power is directed in the right direction
or how it's going to affect people. Should I see
it or should I wait for I mean, I think
we have people who have seen it were like, I
mean kind of the same take where it's like he's
performance is really good and it will kind of funk

(01:06:41):
with you. So I think in that sense, Uh, yeah,
I think that you know, that's the prerogative of the
viewer if they if they want to see it. You know,
I I'm probably gonna check it out, but I'll probably
wait for the screener because I don't want to go
to movie theaters. Ever. There's nothing like I'm telling you.
It's easier to watch in your own home any movie. Sorry, sorry, everyone.

(01:07:03):
The snacks are better. Snacks are better unless it's something
in IMAX or something shot on large format. Then I'll
go to the theater. Well, Ben, it's been a pleasure
having you. Where can people find you and follow you?
You can find me and my crew of reprobates at
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us for ridiculous history you're using the employing the same method.
You can find me getting kicked into and out of
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find me doing terrible one liners and uh hot takes.
It's stupid, stupid things that sounded smart at the time.

(01:07:45):
On Twitter, where I'm at ben Bowland h s W
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History again if you like Myles and Jack and did
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Weirdest Historical Flexes where flexi history. Yeah, they're there are
some weird ones. Ben is their a tweet you've been enjoying?

(01:08:06):
So I found you guys are plagued Inness. You probably
already know about this, but I found this hot Takes
music spot. Have you heard hot music Takes? So it's
just some sort of algorithm where he or it whomever
created this programmer of the algorithm. Sure, yeah, yeah, is
just has made this formula where it says stuff like

(01:08:27):
it's always a one take. Uh, weird comparison or description
of an audience that likes a band. So like the
Beach Boys makes tool for wine once or for like
uh in the Aeroplane over the Sea is just fodder
for people with Bible Verse tattoos. Uh. Danny Brown is
Vampire Weekend for everyone stuck in five. I haven't really

(01:08:50):
like No, it doesn't good last one. Gucci Maine is
the Michael Boublet of people with jewels, Like I don't
understand a lot of this, and they're not all, you know,
solid gold, but sometimes the algorithm might nail it. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
it's the monkeys and the typewriter. Yeah yeah. Uh Miles,

(01:09:12):
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Earl sweatshirt twee. Ea did butt naked standing in front
of the computer with the Captain Morgan stance. I would
I just want to say to the federal agent looking
through my front cam, welcome to the meat show. Because
oh and Patton Oswalt tweeted, seriously, who is this actress?
She's having such a blast being evil and she's got
to riff the whole thing. Just amazing about a video

(01:10:21):
of the woman who plays both the Evil Queen and
um Maleficent at Disneyland and is just so great at it.
People should check out her work. And then Brentister tweeted me,
I need a bank loan, Please back manager? How much
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ride on Miles, What's that gonna be? Okay? Another track
from Little Sims. We we did a Little Sims track

(01:11:05):
from her last week, but this whole her album is
really good. I can't The more I listen, the more
I'm just getting drawn in. And I'm thinking she is
one of the most talented MC has ever in a while.
You guys, play another one? Yeah, I think maybe it
was the last one. So check out the track Venom.
This is the track called Venom again. Very simple, but

(01:11:27):
just spuckle up because open your ears and you might
have to pause and rewind to get all of the
verses into your mind. All right, we're going to ride
out on that. The Daily zey geis to the production
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listen to your favorite shows. That's gonna do it for today.
We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily

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podcast and we'll talk to you then Bye bye. Venom
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what right must have been a pass? I am a
pause life. I don't want to ever come down from
my height. My soul would send it to the sky.
You said you and nine gonna unwilling to a live
trying to get me outside. Someone's got a pair. You
ain't talking big amounts, some kind of physical pain, some

(01:12:10):
kind of traumatic. Ship niggas want to see dead bodies,
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you will a ride because ship Nigga's pussy looking back
and ship oh your man. Then come at me, you prick.
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