Pumpkin Spice Everything Or Bust, Supreme Court Is Down With Anti-Abortion Sickness

In episode 981, Jack and Miles are joined by Cool Zone Media's Christopher Wong to discuss abortion and the Supreme Court, a Trump rally in Alabama, Seinfeld coming to Netflix, pumpkin spice madness and more!

FOOTNOTES:

1. Supreme Court Lets Abortion Become Fuctionally Illegal in Texas
2. Alabama town in the FIND OUT phase of having a Trump Rally during a pandemic 
3. Some show called Seinfeld? Is headed to Netflix in October 
4. LISTEN: Still Woozy - "Woof"

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Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two hundred, episode
four of Days Like Guys production of Her Radio. This
is a podcast where we take a deep dive into
America's share consciousness. And it's Thursday, September. Two woman names
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her for her time. It's my wife. That is courtesy
of Christie Algucci Maine My Wife version of My Life
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for having me, and thank you to Christie Almo Gucci
made for those wonderful game show hosts. Ak was did
you say something about named that fart on yesterday's episode.
I don't know, I feel like you threw that out there. Yeah,
I don't know, and I just felt to comment on it.

(01:27):
But yeah, I half the time be able to eat
and I'm like, oh, yeah, right, I said that. It
feels like a blur all the time. Yeah, as we're
about to talk with our guest about can when you
host a daily show, when you're on a daily show,
working on a daily show at all, just you know,
the rough edges get sanded away. Yeah, you just become

(01:47):
a smooth vessel for podcast. Wow. Uh. Speaking up, our guests,
we're thrilled to be joined by a research term writer
for cool Zone Media. His work has appeared on Behind
the Bathtards, the New It Could Happen Here Daily Show,
as well as Lawson. He studied anthropology at the University

(02:08):
of Chicago, focusing on ecological social movements in Chinese capitalism.
Then you may know him as the guy who ends
every tweet with moreover, ice must be destroyed. Please. Welcome
to the show, Christopher Wall. What's happy to be here? So?
What was how's the Daily Show grind treating you? You know? Yeah?

(02:30):
I think yeah. In week two, was when I just
lost all sensive time and yeah, you know, well we'll see,
we'll see how week like two hundred goes when I
just like have forgotten that calendars exist and haven't slept
in one trillion years. It's gonna it's gonna be great.
It's gonna be great. Yeah. Look, it blurs together. First.

(02:52):
It could be very uh, nervy experience, and then you
settle in, you know, like a nice warm bath, and
you don't realize that you're slowly sinking in deeper and
deeper like it's been now many years, two seasons. Yeah,
and then pretty soon all you can do is, uh,
it's been. And my wife and friends and those you know,

(03:15):
my wife leaves me, Yeah, because that's the only thing
I can do when interacting with her. It's bored, impressed
at least, the family's falling apart, my wife Alright. September,
how September treating everyone so far? Oh my god, Wow,

(03:35):
couldn't be better? First day of school for the for
the young uns today? Absolute chaos, mate for your children's yeah,
for your children's Okay, it was wild. It was like
just a massive mass of screaming children with their parents
dropping them off and then like we went around the

(03:56):
corner to drop our preschooler off at the preschool, walked back.
It was it was like a ghost. It was just
completely empty. They just it was it was like in
It's like in the movies, you know when they the
bell rings and suddenly the hall is empty, right right right? Yeah,
so school, you know, I hear you. Those were the days. Anyways, kindergarten, big,

(04:19):
big kindergarten for Ramsey. So we're we're excited, Chris. We're
going to get to know you a little bit better
in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
couple of the things we're talking about today. The Supreme
Court has basically allowed abortion to become functionally illegal in Texas,
so we're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about

(04:39):
Florida getting tricky with the COVID maths. We're going to
talk about a town in Alabama that is in the
find out phase of having a Trump rally during a pandemic.
They fucked around in a very specific way. Yeah. Well,
look at the background of some of the Afghanistan war
expert that have been all over cable news for the

(05:04):
past month. Basically and just you know what, what are
their jobs when they're not talk talking about how the
removal the end of this war is a is a
disaster for American honor and other specific things. We'll talk
about Seinfeld going to Netflix. We'll talk about pumpkin spice madness,

(05:25):
all that plenty more. But first, Christopher, we like to
ask our guest, what is something from your search history?
Oh God, So yesterday I wound up searching postners selling babies,
which is a fun time. So something something that that
that I learned about at the Verse of Chicago is

(05:46):
that anyone who gets like true into markets eventually like
reaches a phase where they go, you have to sell
babies and so and there's a lot of people who
could do this. Post near specifically is this guy named
Richard Postner. Who this guy was like he was he
was it was. He was on the Seventh Circuit Court
of Appeals for like forty years. He's like like one
of the most influential like legal scholars of the scent

(06:07):
for century. Actually he's written two articles now about like
how you need to have like adoption agencies being able
to sell babies and that like basically the adoption industry
without the market has like an unfair monopoly, and so
need to break the monopoly. You have to let them
sell children, right, because the people who are willing to
pay the highest are definitely inherently the most worthy humans.

(06:29):
So it makes sense. It's it's you know, the specific thing.
So I remembering this and like Murray rothbarg who was
like the big narcro capitalist guy, is huge on this,
and I was trying to remember because I had to
read like both of them in college and I shouldn't remember.
One of the two argued that he would end racism
because everyone would see that there were like different values

(06:52):
on like prices of babies, because like if I buy
race and that this would show everyone that racism was real,
would end racism. And I was like, but creating a
baby market, wow, yeah, it's libertarianism is a is a time.

(07:15):
So this is the thing that basically all libertarian like economists,
like people who are just like let the market decide
like kind of end up that is like, well, babies,
what's their issue with the current system? Is just that
too much bureaucracy? Yeah, Well, basically the problem is that
that there's a like the adoption agencies have have a monopoly,

(07:37):
and you know, monopolies are inefficient, and so to have
efficient like exchange of babies, you have to have markets.
And this is the kind of stuff where like you knows,
at a certain point the people actually empower look at
the idea like that, you know, the people who believe
there's like the hardcore idealogues, right, they're like the people
who are really committed to the market is the most
efficient way to do anything. And at some point the

(07:58):
people in charge like stop them, and like this is
where the line gets drawn. It's like this and like
when when they tried the nuclear that they tried to
like have an auction between the different branches of the
military to see like who would run the nuclear program
like that, that's when the that's the point where they
one tells him to stop. But like this is this
is a thing that a lot of a disturbing number
of people who are very influential believe should happen. But

(08:22):
we'll never talk about publicly because basically it's just it's
a weird, weird look, right, And you know, Texas about
to have a bumper crop of babies for sale, so
that's gonna be great for the markets for babies are
us post are like Legit talks about this in in

(08:44):
his thing about how like an abortion is affecting the
supply of babies and how this place and it's just
it's yeah, m hmm. Sometimes a little thinking can go
a little too far. Yeah, a little thinking. It's a
little bit, just just any sliver of very specific thinking
without being anchored to any sort of humanity, right well,

(09:08):
trying to prove your point like that your sense is
saying like, oh, yeah, like babies are like Honda preludes,
you know, like people just got to know that there's
like certain ones get a little more money, but you
and that's how we'll be able to melt our biases. Jesus.
Oh and you're you're just looking at that too, because

(09:28):
you were wondering way our markets the most efficient way
to distribute babies, or you were doing that for a
it was kind of reason Robert Robert Evans was like, Chris,
you're doing it as punishment. You're doing a thing on
on libertarians and their weird distinction between like pedophilia and
the baby aphilia, the one that's like slightly older or whatever.

(09:50):
So that that that that set me down the selling
baby train. Then I was like, wait, okay, hold on
which which one of these people was the selling babies
will solve racism of people, in which one of them
was just it's pretto efficient, right, and then yeah, this
is that was just my list. I was not aware
of the libertarian pro pedophilia. That was a I mean

(10:12):
kind of makes sense based on everything else they believe.
It's it's just a theory. It's just a theory, you know,
just looking into it. That's that's libertarianism. Hell of a truck.
Yeah yeah, what is something you think is overrated besides libertarianism? Yeah, okay,
I'm gonna do another controversial one and say that pizza

(10:35):
is overrated. It's like like it's like fine, right, but
like okay, so compare the average slice of pizza in
the world to like the world's average dumpling. Right, Like
you're okay, you think look at this, right, you have
the average slice of pizza and comparing it to like
soup dumplings or like geos there like semosis are provin
It's like it's it's okay. It's like it's a good food,
but it's just not as good as everyone thinks it

(10:59):
is here. It's right, You're so, you're it's I think
the reason we love it is because it's of just
a crowd pleaser. You know, it's hard to say no,
but like, is it the be all end all of foods?
I'm definitely not in that camp. I mean, I love pizza,
but not like in this sense, Like if you gave
me a choice of like maybe some other delicious foods too,

(11:19):
I'm be like, yeah, no, I'm good for pizza. You know,
pizza's that time and place. Are you also saying that
dumplings are kind of harder to funk up, because like,
I feel like I've had some really good frozen dumplings.
It's like not eating them well frozen, but frozen dumplings
like that you then heat up and they're still pretty good.

(11:40):
I have not had as much success with frozen pizza.
Frozen pizza generally sucks. Yeah, I mean they're probably, I
mean they're it is possible to like screw up a dumpling,
but I feel like the people who are doing it
are better at it than just like the average just
absolutely awful, like weird, just like probably like six week old,

(12:04):
like home running pizza that comes out of like that.
He's sort of in a box. It was like seven
minutes before in a freeze pace. Yeah, yeah, it's just right. Yeah.
I mean, pizza has is has become so popular that
you know, they churn them out. Now there's they'll they'll

(12:24):
just you know, start adding cheese to pizza if there's
a cheese surplus. Has happened in the I think in
the eighties or nineties, What will be next? When what's
the next surplus that they're gonna start forcing onto pizza
And they're like, oh yeah, just grapes, man, get a

(12:49):
load of these. I mean, super producer on a Jsnie
was sent on Twitter the other day that we should
put corn on pizza more often, which, yeah, oh man,
in Japan, the fucking corn is like on pizza out there,
and I used to think it was very strange as
a kid, but you know, yeah, there's really nothing a

(13:09):
couple of corn kernels on a pizza. You're not going
to be like, what the fun's just like everything's sucking corn.
So true to me, pineapple still more jarring, Like corn
doesn't really have as much like a flavor that it's
going to fully inform the rest of the experience. But yeah,
a little ham and corn, why not. I'm surprised that

(13:31):
corn hasn't been forced down our throat more as as
a pizza topping in the United States since that is,
I guess we've found found ways to use corn Otherwise.
I think everything that I'm currently touching, including my computer,
is actually at least thirty percent made of corn. Corn everything.

(13:53):
I wonder how much of the pizza is already just corn,
probably like like with the corn sur like in the song.
I mean, is it is that? Is it gonna make
its way into the dough? Probably? Not right, I don't know,
I hope not. But yeah, what is something you take?
Is underrated? The show Leverage you have you just seen leverage,

(14:16):
I have not. Okay, leverage, leverage rules, Leverage is. But
basically the premise of the show is every episode is
It's It's It's It's a forty minute heist movie with
con artists, except they basically like they they steal from
the risch and give it to the poor people, and
they do it by just running incredibly elaborate and absurd

(14:36):
cons on people who suck and it's it is an
extremely good time and more people should know about it
because it's just it's it's just fun. Where where can
you watch it? Is a show? Oh yeah, it was
on from oh eight to two. Yeah, there's a new
season two that I I think you can wash an
Amazon Prime or something. But yeah, it was originally and

(14:59):
it's like a very it's a very like post two
eight show in like the best way that I only
sort of vaguely reber because I was like twelve, but like,
you know, it's it's very post to a thousand and
eight in that like there's a bunch of rich people
and they're all bad and the goal of the show
was to screw those people over. And it's okay, right
right right, just like anger about the the session and

(15:21):
the subprime lending ship. Yeah, yeah, you know, and it
holds up right like even even when they brought the
show back, Like a lot of the sort of old
shows that they reboot like are bad because they don't
you know, the premise of whatever was about is like
and like, you know, is it that that Robin hood
nous that you really speaks to you? Yeah, it's a
Robin hoodness. And then also this I just I like
heist movies and this is like, this is like five

(15:43):
seasons of heist movie that's also con artists, which is
just extremely fun. Okay, yeah, it's funny because that was
one of those shows too where I just saw the
poster and I'm like, I don't know what that's about. Yeah,
I don't know what it's about. It's vague. Looks like
people stand ending in front of a truck. Okay, maybe
they're truckers. But now, okay, this is interesting. Maybe I

(16:06):
have to check this one. Yeah, it's a it's a
good time. It was a t n T original. It
looks like, yeah, that's when I was. I would never
cast my eyes upon anything from t n T. So yeah,
just all tracks from me back then. If you had
suggested a t NT original, we would have cut your feed. Yeah,
it's not allowed out. I do feel like there are

(16:29):
a number of shows like from that tier of cable, Like, um,
I think Suits is one of these that I I
just don't I never gave a chance, purely because they
were on t NT or USA and I was like, yeah,
well yeah, okay, yeah, like I'm gonna watch that White

(16:52):
Collar and they're probably I probably should have, so I
will check it out. Leverage, which you can want Shawn
Apple TV for free if you have an Apple or
the is that what it's called Apple TV or Apple
plus whatever that is. They have replaced from the main

(17:12):
characters with an iPad. However, as we talked about on
yesterday's episode, the Apple Original programming is all just shot
through with like kind of the most aggressive product placement
of all time. But all right, well, let's take a

(17:34):
quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back.
And so in Texas, the Supreme Court basically chose not
to block a law, or hasn't blocked it yet, even

(17:58):
though the law is now enforced, so like it seems
like the sort of thing that would have blocked by now.
But it's basically this, It makes abortion something that is
suitable after how many weeks? Is it? Six weeks into
a pregnancy, which is before most women realize they're pregnant.

(18:20):
And it's a it's a really wild law in the
sense that it deputizes citizens to file civil suits against
abortion providers or anyone who helps facilitate the procedure, such
as a person who drives a pregnant person to the clinic.
So it's basically making it so that you can be

(18:44):
like financially ruined for having any involvement in helping somebody
get an abortion after after six weeks. It's a bad
it's the it's like the height of fucked up abortion laws.
I mean, this one is the different because it's actually
gone into effect. A lot of times we see things

(19:05):
that are proposed and then they'll get caught up in
courts and then struck down and things like that, but
this was allowed to go into effect. And you know
a lot of advocates who would talk about birth control
access and abortion access that you know, this isn't just
meant to punish the people who are seeking abortions, but
to basically kneecap the entire infrastructure that supports someone who

(19:26):
is seeking to exercise any kind of agency over their
own bodies. So yeah, by doing that saying well, now,
if oh I saw this person get dropped off in
this card to walk into a women's clinic coming to
write down, I'm gonna do my own fucking investigating and
go to court. And it's just wild because if they
it's like basically just giving ten thousand dollars away to

(19:48):
someone who is suing someone because they suspect them of
having an abortion, and even if the person defends themselves
successfully in court against this like whatever vigil anti suit,
there's like no way for them to coop anything. It's
just sort of it is what it is. And yeah,
I mean it's it's it's a fucking grim grim moment,
you know. And right now there's pretty much as this

(20:11):
as this law is, the only option you really have
is to go out of state. And to your point
about like the six week thing, that's they're saying that's
the women who seek abortions in the state of Texas,
Like if it's that as after that six week point,
So yeah, we're looking at just a really you know, draconian,

(20:32):
just outright ban on abortion there. Basically, yeah, there's something
so American conservative about like deputizing people to like spy
on and like enforce the fucking law against their neighbors.
Like just in my experience where living in communities that

(20:53):
were like strongly Baptist Southern Baptists, that is that is
the culture is people talking shit about each other's like
whether they're saved or not and whether like what actions
they've taken that they think is like you know, sinful
and yeah, this is um worried for for a country,

(21:17):
especially because I mean this is people are saying, like, well,
if if they're not going to stop this law, they're
certainly you know, and when it actually comes up for
Supreme Court judgment like this, this is another one of
the cases that's kind of shadow docket where they like
push it through on an emergency basis and the Supreme

(21:37):
Court just hasn't done anything about it, even though it's
clearly a constitutional emergency. But when the actual Roe v.
Wade case comes up, I mean it's not Roe v.
Wade coming up, but there's a actual case in Mississippi,
I believe coming up for Supreme Court judgment. I mean
this this indicates that they're going to essentially overturned, right

(22:02):
or you know. And the thing with this one is
it's this bill as the as the law is now
is unconstitutional and so and it's and yeah, it is
a reminder that, yeah, we have a six three conservative
fucking majority supermajority essentially in the Supreme Court. And yeah,
I mean like, and this is one of those things too.

(22:24):
What a lot of states do is they see a
little bit of like, you know, especially states that are
hell bent on taking away people's access to abortions and
things like that. They look at what other states are doing,
what they've got gotten away with, and they'll immediately start
mimicking that locally too. So yeah, it's just a very
very awful, awful time. And yeah there's a there's clearly

(22:45):
a ton of litigation around this, but it really doesn't
bode well for you know, the road vieway it as
it stands. You know. Well, one thing I will say
about this though, is that like, well, I mean, on
the one hand, we have the thing that we're you know,
we're all just ruled by a junta. Now, like this
is literally like we we we are we are being
governed by fiat by like a junta of like random

(23:08):
people from harvardar and Gale. And it's like you know,
but then their hand like you know this this this
cuts in a lot of different directions. But the Supreme
Courts power is fake, like like like they basically the
Supreme Courts power of just review is something they just
declared that they had in the early in the I
think it's late seventy nationally Agian hundreds, they just like

(23:30):
unilaterally and marbarous Madagic Meadson just said, like we have
the ability to do this, and you know, the state
can just ignore them. Like this is this is something
that like you only see it every once in a while.
It's usually only done for like absolutely terrible evil. But
like you can just tell the Supreme Court to funk
off and there's nothing they can do about it. Like

(23:51):
like legally they do, like the powers that they claim
to have are not in the Constitution. They just gave
it to themselves. And so you know, I mean, like
this is the point we're at now, right, like being
ruled by a junta. They're just you know, they're they're
evicting millions of people by weird fiat there about to
just take everyone's ability to abortions away, and like that's

(24:12):
that's the kind of stuff that like, right, we have
to actually be thinking about because we we've we've reached
the sort of like fascism level where they've created like
just the abortion gestapo where it's like like like one
of the things I was reading about on on you know,
the Last Nights where abortions were legal, like a whole
bunch of these people like showed up to the abortion

(24:33):
clinics and were like shining spotlights through the windows of
the like like of of the hospital. Just yeah, just
absolute horror show. Yeah. But yeah, and I'm wondering, you know,
that's where we have to arrive at a point where
it's like we're adjudicating these monumentally important societal issues with

(24:56):
a group of people that like can like with a
system that can be gang aimed essentially with how you
how you make up the Supreme Court and then still
being like right, based on like the rigid interpretation of
the Constitution, we decide to not give people civil rights. Yeah,
and that's that. So where where where is the you know,

(25:19):
where the remedies for that? And where you know, at
what point are we going to begin to really actually
trying to think of how to perform this sort of
form of oversized power that they have and typically goes
against the well being of most people, right, Like, even
even though constitutionally you can argue that they don't have
the power to do this, like practically speaking, they you know,

(25:41):
in a state like Texas where Republicans and conservatives kind
of run everything, like they'll if you ignore this ruling
and you know, get or perform an abortion, like they
can still suit you and take a bunch of take
like lots of your money, right so if not all

(26:02):
you know, in some instances, And that's what's really vile
about this is that it incentivizes people to just be
probably pretty frivolous. I'm sure there's someone who's going to
figure out a way to do math and be like, well,
if I take these many lawsuits and this many hit
then I can actually have a good income just harassing
people who are trying to get an abortion. Yeah, and

(26:25):
and even weren't just that, like you know, people are
at any time you have a system that's just like hey,
you can stitch on your neighbors now and then and
some people will pay you. Like people will just use
this against random people like that. That's that's going to
just start happening right like this, you know, this is
what happens when you create these like there's just just
like weird STOTSI like everyone's in inform it now, like

(26:48):
we will pay you for informing ship. It's you know,
it degrades to not even degrades like that. The point
of it is just to create this absolutely nightmare surveillance
state where everyone around you is turning you into the
states like right and now, and has a chilling effect
on anyone, not just a person who's seeking an abortion,
but just anyone around them, you know, if they need

(27:10):
help in any way now that they could be potentially
caught up in you know what can turn into a
ten thousand dollar legal thing and plus whatever else other
you know, damages or penalties that are included with that.
So like at this point, when they're trying to turn
the entire state of Texas into like footloose, like do
why why wouldn't Joe Biden and the Democrats who have

(27:35):
the power to do something like what wouldn't this be
the time to just be like, Okay, fuck the filibuster,
Like look at look at what they're trying to do.
Like the majority of Americans are not for this sort
of anti choice legislation, so like we we are beholden,

(27:57):
like we have to do this or else they're basically
hijacking the country from us, Like isn't isn't wouldn't that
make sense? And like is what is stopping them from
doing that? Other than just the fact that they also
benefit from the status quo? I mean, I think, I mean,
you know, in the comments from Biden have been that.

(28:18):
He's saying that, you know, this administration is committed to
these things and they will do what it takes to
defend it. So I mean, whether that means that they're
going to bring a suit or something is possible, but
I don't know right now. The most immediate thing would
be if the Supreme Court issued a stay on the
band in the next few days. But you'd think, like

(28:40):
if they really believed it was unconstitutional, they wouldn't have
allowed in the first place. And I think, you know,
I think that there's two things with this. One is
that you know, like short like okay, the like short
of like Biden actually taking seriously the packing the court stuff,
which is not going to like there you know, even
if they do a lawsuit, they're gonna lose, right, So

(29:02):
there's not much like they're they're probably not gonna do anything,
and they don't really have I don't think they have
much incentive to because you know, fundamentally, the Democratic Party
cares about abortion insofar as it's a good fundraising issue,
right and you know, and like the like the more
dire the threat, the better the fundraising issue is. Right. No, none,
you know, none of that money actually will will go
back into like defending abortions, you know, and abortions already

(29:24):
been almost functionally legal in a lot of places before
this right like they care about as the political prop
they don't care about like actually helping people get abortions.
And you know, and least the second thing, it's like
the only thing that is going to get any of
these people to do anything is if they're scared. And

(29:46):
you know, I mean, and then the and the right
was extremely effective about this, right, Like the right did
bombing campaigns. The right did like they shot people, like
they you know, they waged an enormous terror campaign and
it worked. And so you know, at a certain point
you have to start looking at like, okay, so how
how do you actually, like, how do you actually pressure

(30:06):
any of the people who are supposed to care about
this to do literally anything? Right, And it's like, you know,
it's probably it's not terrorism, Like that doesn't work. It
doesn't work for us, right, but you know you didn't
like it's it. I think I think it comes down
to a combination of like we have to do it ourselves,
you know, in terms of protecting people, in terms of
helping people get abortions in terms of you know, I

(30:28):
guess we're gonna have to pride access now because and
then also like it's it's up to us to scare
them enough that they do the right thing, otherwise they won't. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
That's that's why I'm really curious to see what happens
in the next couple of days, because aside from just
stating the obvious, like the President has by saying like, oh,
this is uncon this is fucked up. Well, what are

(30:50):
you going to do about it? Are you going to
articulate as a plan to begin to try and offset that?
And I think a lot of people will be looking
closely because are already like in a situation where you
look at your like, you guys have all this power
and majorities and things like that, but I don't. We
don't see much movement, And you're allowing a lot of
things like just saying like pinning it all on mansion

(31:12):
in cinema to be like, well, god, if they weren't there,
you know, that's just such an easy out, and it
really does smack of just the will's not there if
it's purely just two people, or you know, it's much
larger than that. But if you're gonna if the narrative
that you're constructing is like this one guy, I mean
god right, folks America, huh, Like that's that doesn't communicate

(31:33):
the will to me that you really trying to do
everything you can to to further this agenda forward. That
would actually be a benefit to you know, the majority
of the country, and the Supreme Court may have put
a stay on this like law or like suspended this
law by the time you're listening to this episode. But
even if that happens, a lot of people are saying

(31:56):
that they suspect what's happening here is that the Supreme
is letting this law go into effect as sort of
a weather balloon to see what the reaction is. Because they're,
like we've talked about before, the they are not a
you know, an abstract body of like higher beings who
just judge based on pure reason. They are political actors.

(32:19):
That is a political part it is. It is the
Supreme Court is political, and so um people suspect that,
you know, as there getting ready to make the decision
to try and functionally overturned Row, this is a helpful,
like kind of early weather balloon to see like how
what the reaction is, how bad the blowback is before

(32:41):
they do that, and also will probably help them strategize
when they ultimately do what they're what they're talking about doing.
And I'm sure they're also aware that if it goes
over badly enough then and people start talking about packing
the court, then that would be bad for their power.
And so, you know, because they're essentially like the parent

(33:04):
in the middle of a culture war argument where it's like,
I think you abortions. I don't think you show abortions, dad,
And then they what is it? Well, guess what, we're
a six three conservative majority. Guess how we're gonna side
with it and move on. And that's really like how
all this ship is playing out constantly. So yeah, I
mean between you know, the media has been a very

(33:27):
like soft touch. I feel like with like what they've
been saying, they're like, oh wow, it's extreme, but like
not a lot of outrage, you know, but just merely
describing it as unconstitutional, rather than saying like this is
completely against everything you know that you thought whatever whatever
you thought of America was, but just in general what

(33:48):
a civil society would do. This is not it and
this should not be happening at all. And this is
the most extreme bill that we have on the books
right now. But you know, again, it's just a it's
a slow moving process. But I'm really curious toe what
happens over the next twenty four hours. Really yeah, And
I think it's like, you know, I mean, this is
the thing like that there probably will be protests, but

(34:09):
it's like, you know, if if people if if a
month of people get in the street and like walk
from A to B, it doesn't matter, like it just
doesn't like you know, and you know, so and if
the reaction is there's a few protests but people sort
of give up, like you know, it about nothing will happen.
But if the reaction is like I don't know, like
people start shutting down airports or like you know, like
happening like teen or you know, God God helped them,

(34:31):
like people like you know, people decided to like shut
down the Port of Los Angeles or something right right,
which is which is the thing that is like that
is possible, you know, it is extremely unlikely like if
that kind of stuff starts happening, like yeah, they're gonna
they will roll it back less like more damage happen. Yeah,
this is something you guys talked about on one of

(34:51):
the episodes that it could happen here that you know,
people underestimate the effectiveness of a general strike, and like
the media really keeps keeps that. Yeah, like they don't
really talk that much about it. But when the flight
attendants threatened to strike, like when during the government shut down,
the government was opened back up and like a few

(35:13):
hours after after being shut down for how many days,
like an unprecedented like link, because you know, they knew
how wildly unpopular it was going to be for people
to have their vacations taken away from them. Yeah, And
I think one more thing on that is that like
you know, specifically, like the reason it worked with that

(35:34):
flight attendants could do this is because they're they're specific
like logistics sectors that are extremely vulnerable, like specifically like
air transport and then also shipping and you know rail
lines and stuff like that. And you know, like large,
large scale general strikes are really hard, but you can
effectively get rid of like a similar number of people's

(35:55):
labor by just blocking the products from getting anywhere and
so or you know, like stop stopping the trying the
system you can. You can you can effectively stop enormous
numbers of people of labor, even if enormous numbers of
people people's labor, even if you don't have like the
resources you need to like immediately carry out of general strike. Yeah,
so that that kind of stuff is I guess, like, yeah, possible,

(36:20):
and you know, probably what's necessary if this isn't just
gonna run through and steamroll us all mhmm. But yeah,
it's just happening at a time where people it's you know,
the timing couldn't be worse or more perfect, depending on
how you're looking at because you're already just the level
of despair that's just generally being felt throughout the fucking

(36:41):
planet really all time high, and you know, I think
people are more hopeless, but I don't know. No recent
like pandemic Pole, it teemed like people were more like
resilient or more aware of what they had to do
in terms of getting through a pandemic. So I don't
know how much that translates here, but you'd hope on
some level there's enough outrage left in the tank. That

(37:05):
was my favorite. I mean, I I don't put any
stock in polls, but just the idea of people being
less hopeful, more energized like those that I think that
needs to be what America is. It is not like
hope implies like you know, things are going to get
better into like independent of what we do, and like

(37:25):
that has been proven time and again that that's not true.
Like there needs to be all right, let's take a
quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back

(37:46):
and a Albaace, an Alabama town. I don't know why
I said, I like that town in Alabama where Trump
had his rally ten days ago, is you know, struggling
a little bit. We we said at the time that
experts were saying, cancel this ship. The surge is too bad.

(38:07):
And they were like, yeah, okay, experts, And how's that
working out for the months? I mean, it's just fucked up.
In ten days or so after they had this huge rally,
you're just seeing now there's just a big increase. The
state saw a sixtent increase in hospitalizations. The Coleman County
where this rally was saw increase. And you know, it's

(38:32):
it's just a situation where the schools are even like, hey,
we're with the masks come on now, Like that's gonna
be a choice for the parents to decide if they
want that for their kids. And when you hear like
there were like local health advocates and experts who were saying, like,
you know, can you tie these increased hospitalizations and things

(38:52):
like that to this rally? They said, quote, there were
people I can assure you that said, by golly, I'm
going to see that Trump rally. I've been way on
this forever. I guarantee you there were people there that
were sick. I mean in the vaccination rate in that
specific places about thirty. So all those things coupled together,
it's like, yeah, this is kind of a bad outcome.

(39:15):
But interestingly enough, first for an area where they're like, well,
we're never going to make people wear masks like or
like you know, vaccines, like we're not going to really
talk about it. Suddenly the school board explained, like you
know facebook post, he said, quote, where we respect the
choice of parents in regards to masks, these preventative steps
are necessary to slow the spread of COVID. This mandate

(39:37):
will be for two weeks, beginning Monday, August and expiring
on Friday, September tent at the end of the school day.
I was like, oh, wow, okay, because one week would
have been overkilled to have masks going on in the
middle of the pandemic. But yeah, it's just one of
those things where suddenly it's sort it's hard to keep
up with that same rhetoric when you're looking at just

(39:58):
the real life outcomes that are happening in their dealing
with that. By the way, kids are the least resistant
people to masks, like in in the country, by the way,
they're like they because it's just like yeah, they they're adaptable.
They don't give a ship like there, oh this is
gonna keep me from getting sick. Okay, I'll wear a

(40:18):
mask and deal with it. It's in my experience, it's
the anyone over the age of fifty really seems to
have a very difficult time with it. So, well, that's
that's horrible, very predictable, unfortunately. So let's talk about Seinfeld,
the show about Nothing, the show that occupies a large

(40:41):
part of my brain just remembering Seinfeld and Simpson's jokes.
Are you know that that's just like there on a
cycle somewhere in the back of my brain at all
times and just like sometimes my brain burps it up
like from my unconscious and it's like, oh, yeah, I
do remember that, and that it has nothing to do

(41:02):
with anything that I'm thinking about right now what is
wrong with me? But a new generation is going to
get introduced to Seinfeld because Seinfeld's time on Hulu is
nearing an end this summer, and I guess it vanished
off the platform in June and people were like, what happened?

(41:23):
But next millennials, Yeah, you know, especially like my stories whatever,
they go. Yeah, I I had no idea because I
wasn't really keeping track of the bidding wars over Seinfeld.
But Netflix paid five million dollars to get that on
their old platform. That's the office money. Now. I don't

(41:47):
know is that have the same appeal. I'm not quite sure.
I'm really curious what that actually if that's a good
business decision or just nearly because it's on Netflix, people
are just gonna be like, oh cool, have you seen
this show? Signed Netflix? Now? It's pretty fun. I don't know,
Like what do they I don't I'm I guess the

(42:07):
projections are strong enough that they felt it was worth that.
But yeah, I hope a part of me is like, oh,
I'd watch that, But then I'm like, I don't know,
do you have the energy where I would like navigate
to Netflix to watch Seinfeld because I damn sure I
didn't do it with Hulu. But yeah, no, wonder maybe
this would be Billie Eilish's new favorite show because the like,

(42:28):
when you look at the streaming numbers, like Netflix is like,
I I feel like there's a big part of people,
a big part of the country where they when they
think streaming, they just think Netflix. Like that's just Netflix
has like taken that corner of people's brain and so

(42:48):
it just always they always go to Netflix and they
only have Netflix of the streaming services that that's what
the numbers seem to indicate. There's Netflix really dwarfs the competition.
So it'll be it'll be interesting to see if this,
you know, combo Seinfeld on Netflix is is going to
like make Seinfeld Davy National Institution again. Right the press release,

(43:12):
it was really interesting they said, like the credits that
they gave their like it's including Julia Louis Dreyfus from
Troll and Family Ties and Jason Alexander from Pretty Woman.
I'm like, is this from the fucking eight Like who

(43:33):
is that? A bit like are they doing it like
this is what it said back then or they just
really I forgot about deep it could be. I don't know.
I mean, I'm this is just like an extract from
like an excerpt from like an article I was reading.
But I mean they're saying like you know, it's gonna
be like they're giving them the whole run of like
when it started to when it ended, and like it's

(43:53):
gonna be on starting October one. It's just a very
odd Maybe someone just didn't give a funk when they're
putting the press release together. Yeah, it's really weird because
like I figured it was like, oh, this is like
this is people like me who were like either like
very very young. I'm like like I'm like on the
border of like millennial GenZ and like I wonder if
it's because my usually something like oh this is this

(44:14):
is the zoomers to watch this, But like why that
the press release makes no sense with the trying to
get the boomers to watch I mean the zoomors to
watch it. It completely the funneled, you know, Jason Alexander
from Pretty Woman, Like I mean, in my mind, I'm like, sure,
Jason Alexander from I mean he was always playing bit
parts and things, so it was like a monster right

(44:36):
like him Pretty Woman, wasn't he like just a complete
misogynistic piece of shit? So it's like, uh, you know
he was in that one sexual predator from Curb. That
would be funny if they were thrown out Curb. Yeah,
I don't know. I mean he like he was the gargoyle, Hugo,

(44:57):
and hunchback of Notre Dame. He was a voice of like,
I don't know what you what credits you really put
for Jason Alexander, You're like, oh shit, right him the
guy from Cone Heads who was the neighbor who had
the two pay like sure. But for Michael Richards, they
did cite his performance at the Laugh Factory as his

(45:19):
one credit that everybody hears, but they didn't go post
because Seinfeld. All right, well, it is officially September, which
means it's time to bring on the pumpkin spice madness baby.
Starbucks already rolled out their fall menu, including the Pumpkin

(45:41):
Spice Latte back at the end of August. They also
unveiled a new Pumpkin Love Ometer. Pumpkin love omter, what
is I think it's just mas how much people want
to suck pumpkins. Probably, what do you even do? How
does this meter function? Dude? Stipped? You touch it? You

(46:02):
just fucking declare your love for pumpkin anything. I'm I'm
headed there right now, Miles, So I can tell you
are not supported great side. So they're going for you.
Biquity huh find out where you fall? Okay, I will,
So you go on here. It says, oh, take the quiz,

(46:24):
buzz quiz. I'm good. Yeah, there's two things that everybody's
talking about loving is BuzzFeed quizzes and pumpkin spice latte,
and everything's just coming out. I just also to like dunking,
there's their ships coming out earlier than normal, because I
remember it last year in the middle of the pandemic

(46:44):
when pumpkin spice everything season came around. I feel like
everyone was like, dude, what what day is it? Pumpkin who?
And I think maybe this time, since we had somewhat
of we were outside more like I'm I'm realizing it's
fall again. But they feel I feel like they just
keep starting it earlier and earlier and earlier, Like it's
it's like it's large, it's longer than the actual season

(47:06):
of fall or winter combined. Right, Yeah, they go they
go deep. The quiz sucks, so I'll just put it
at that. They're like, how much do you love pumpkin spices?
Is it like so much? Do you like do you
have wet dreams about pumpkin spice lattees? Bro come on, like,

(47:30):
there's no option that's not that has that is like
a tasteful, non pumpkin spice horny version. So that's the fun.
They're Duncan rolled out there, pumpkinywhares even earlier Starbucks on
August and one of the kind of wild new products.
We've got what We'll give you two in reverse order

(47:54):
of how ill conceived they are. So we have Hungry
Howie's Pizza releasing pumpkin spice Howie Bread, which is just
like kind of a sweet you know, how Hungry how He's. Yeah,
it's just like a pizza place. It's around Oh really, Yeah, damn,

(48:15):
I've never desecrated my insides with a Hungry Howi's pizza.
But yeah, it's not great. Anyone anyone who's doing pumpkin spice.
Howee bread, I'm like that business. Yeah, get over there,
But it doesn't it doesn't seem that bad because it
is a sweet like a sweetbread, and they're giving you

(48:37):
the photo looks like it comes with a ranch dip.
But I guess that's how you saying. So that's good.
Fuck you just do a ranch. Yeah you know that's
just got full ranch America's two favorite flavors combined. Yeah,
where's pumpkin spice? Ranch? Thank you? Budweiser announced a new

(48:58):
pumpkin spice flavor of Bud Light Seltzer. So yeah, because
I mean, their customer base is mostly given up, so
it makes makes sense. What uh that's that's a bridge
too far for me. I think you don't. We don't
have to. Don't funk with the seltzers making it all

(49:20):
flanneled out with your pumpkin spice. The Seltzers are supposed
to be like light and crisp, not like warm and savory, right, Like,
does anybody want a like warm feeling from their seltzer? No?
Certainly not something that like I associate with like dairy.
I mean, as a seltzer, you're like, I don't know

(49:43):
thing I envision a lot of creaminess or something like
that to that flavor. So they also have a flannel
pack that also includes other like Fall inspired flavors for
the bud Light Seltz including apple maple, toasted marshmallow, toasted smellow.
Now when they say fall inspired, they're talking about this

(50:04):
season and not the general just fall of America of mankind. Yeah,
I was gonna say, like this goes very bread and
pumpkin spice. Pumpkin spice, bread and circuses were get This
next product is Fall of the human species inspired. It
is the winner of the year of worst idea for

(50:26):
a pumpkin spice product. A Cup of Noodles is releasing
Pumpkin Spice Ramen Noodles. The promo photo has a cup
in the hand of a reanimated corpse whose arm is
poking through their own marked grave, poking through a bunch
of leaves. And I'm just gonna read the description of

(50:46):
the product that came from the company. There's a fine
line between genius and insanity. Care to cross it with
us Cup Noodles? So it's not Cup of noodle is
it's just cup noodles Noodles. Cup Noodles jumps on the
Pumpkin Spice Crazy Train with a special pumpkin seasoning that's

(51:09):
the perfect blend of sweet, savory and spiced. These saucy
noodles are ready with just a splash of water in
four minutes in the microwave for the full pumpkin spice experience.
Top it with whipped cream for the quickest, tastiest, and
most outlandish pumpkin spice, and a cup experience you never

(51:30):
knew you needed coming to select Walmart's in October, and
then in parentheses to close it out. Yes, really, I'm
really I have a problem with this image because it's
meant to evoke some like Night of the Living Dead ship,
but it's like that's what so you wanna evoke like
corpses coming out of the ground. Being like, we love

(51:52):
this product because it's certainly not supposed to be like
HALLOWEENI I guess, or maybe it is. It's it's they're
doing a lot, doing a lot. Yeah. The only explanation
I could think of is like that's the hands of
the person who invented Ramen and they're like trying to
drag it back to hell with them, right the original

(52:13):
like the guy who came up with cup noodles like
instant noodle thing. He's like, this isn't what it was
meant for. It's Jonathan Gold the food critic. Sorry he's not,
he's just you know, but yeah, this is a but
you know what the funny thing is, I remember when
the takeout they got like a promo box and this
ship they said it was good cup noodles. Yes, yes,

(52:38):
I I will take the takeouts enthusiasm for junk food
to a point. And this is that point. I mean,
I don't know if they had if I don't know
if they topped their noodles with whipped cream like you
know all you know all Asian people love to top
their noodles with whipped cream. Behind that really easily. Like

(53:00):
my grandmother saw this, she would, you know what those noodles,
You know what this noodle dish needs lactose, some LATAs
and sugar. And then Native Deodorant actually scrapped their pumpkin
spice products and announced the decision with a giant ad
in the New York Times a few weeks ago. So

(53:21):
that's how you know it's fully like run its course?
Is that just canceling a pumpkin spice like a gimmick
product gets you. It is actually like a marketing campaign.
So oh, but their whole thing is like, we don't
funk with it, right, We're off this ship by Native
Deodorant clever Lean. The other way, the that says you

(53:46):
have bad taste pumpkins stinking like pumpkin spice latte over
our clean bodies. Who was your idea in the first place?
We didn't like make you do it? What are you
talking about? All right? Boy? Wow, it's I'm just like
trying to read like the fine print of it. It's
like they're really trying to be like, we did you

(54:07):
a solid dude. Yeah, I I this is It's just
so funny like how like over the years when this
time of year comes around, how I just get like
more and more dejected by it. Like it's not like,
oh ship, right, because it used to just be this
thing where like I remember back at the at the
old office, DJ Daniel was like, it's pumpkin spice season, baby,

(54:30):
and that was just more like okay, right, he's working
with it. And then the next year like it started
being like oh my god man, we got pumpkin spice. Everything.
Nineteen was like we're moving it up three weeks and
we got pumpkin spice socks, and then like no one
gave a funk, but like they're still like trying to
ramp the volume up. And then this year it's like, please,

(54:51):
pumpkin spice, you're fucked up getting your uber and go home.
You don't need to, you're just anything. You're making me
sad by showing up every year, reminding me of the
lack of other progress we have. But that's the That's
how American capitalism works. Is it like defines a like

(55:11):
good feeling and then finds a way to like graft
some sort of product onto it and like kind of
commoditize it until we feel like it's cheap. And the
love of fall now feels cheap right right, season of
time passing and enjoying that we've turned it into a
flavor that you can desecrate your noodles with. Now you

(55:33):
can't look at like pictures of viewing your family and
like changing leaves without being like that looks like a
pumpkin spice latte. Ad. Oh my god, save us. We
will with market economy. With market economics, baby, just sell
us your kid and we'll be good. Christopher. Such a

(55:58):
pleasure having you, ma'am. Where can people find you and
follow you? Yeah, I'm at me c hr three on
Twitter or I must be destroyed. Guy, I yeah, I
worked for clothes on media now so follow them on Twitter. Yes,
at cools on media. Um, I'm also yeah, I work
upon the pastards that working. It could happen here and

(56:19):
yeah it was fine. Fine, shows that everybody should be
checking out listening to Yah. Is there a tweet or
some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Oh? Man, okay,
so did you see there? There's there's this reddit post.
There were a bunch of a bunch of provacts. People
took over the art slash. This is the this is

(56:41):
the mote worm realizing I've never actually heard the name
of the horse drug set out loud, I ever mectioned. Yeah,
they took of it the arch and I mection sub reddit.
And there there's the one post that was raged against
the vaccine. Some of those that work forces want the
paces for horses. Yes, what did they do? They took

(57:03):
over the the subreddit and just like what did they do?
They just post it? Yeah, just like ship posted like
proceed pro vaccine stuff and posted some of those that workforces.
What the pace that's for horses. It's good stuff, It's
that's great. And they're also there uh subs that are
like basically boycotting Reddit for the day to get try

(57:27):
and get them to take down all the misleading bullshit.
I think the actors they apparently when I reloaded the
page for this memeless, I think they rented that the
subred has been quarantined, so I guess it's maybe working,
but Ernie who knows. Yeah, we had quite to quarantine
the subreddit for ten days till they got a negative test.

(57:51):
Miles where can people find you? What's the tweet you've
been enjoying? Find me Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.
Also the other show for twenty Day Fiance a with
Sophia Alexander. If you like ninety day Fiance, come through.
Got our takes weekly And a tweet that I like
is from at Rossi Songo. It says Tyra used to
chop girl's hair off and we'd be at home, like, girl,

(58:14):
stop crying? Do you want to be on top or not?
Just a very dark time, truly, like it was just like, yeah,
that's the way be abused to get to the top. Yeah,
let's see. Uh. Swamp Monster tweeted, my uncle lives in

(58:35):
the place and we hadn't been able to contact him
since landfall of Hurricane Ida. Motherfucker just walked in our
front door and said, I'm alive, bitches and so. In
response to this news story about upon reviewing her vaccination card,
twenty four year old Chloe Razac allegedly misspelled maderna m

(59:01):
m A d e r n a mad drrenrna mad derna,
and Tara Dublin said mad Derna is literally what my
grandma Dorothy called Madonna in the eighties, Marna, Oh my god.
Find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can

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you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, what song do we think

(59:42):
people might enjoy on this fine Thursday? Okay, so this
is a track called Wolf by Still Woozy. It's just
interesting interesting music. I mean, like it's like this guy
is kind of like on his It's like it's like
a genre. It's hard to put your finger on, but
it's a fun us and it's got good singing in it.
It's got a little lovely, lovely beat to it, and yeah,

(01:00:05):
I just just just try something new on This is
called still Woozy with the track wolf w o o
app it's lovely m hm. Alright, Well real quick, y'all.
We're gonna finally do on a streaming corner on tomorrow's
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