February 7, 2018 • 58 mins
In episode 80, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Jacquis Neal to discuss professional wrestling, the Olympics, the Quincy Jones interview, how Facebook is ruining online content, Trump's military parade, lady Doritos, & more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season seventeen, episode three,
after Daily's Like guys for February seven, two ten. My
name is Jack O'Brien. A kay, Yeah, I helped my
uncle Jack off a horse that is courtesy of at
nine point November, and I'm joined by my co host,
Mr Miles Gray. Yes, that was an interesting a K,
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but I'm gonna redeem you with mine because we got
a duo a two hand or a K and it
goes into something like this, if you want to go
and get O'Brien with me, the hell in the back
of the benzy? Oh Miles, must that be this great
ray YouTube? Chapman, Rice, you have been hitting us with
some fire a K so fire that we like they
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take time to prepare, so we have some more from you.
But thank you Chapman for that one. It's fire fire AKA,
and thank you for to nine point November because I
regardless of what Miles said, I love that AK. I
mean I brings you back to elementary cool when that
joke was made nonstopped. Oh really yeah, a lot of
(01:06):
Jack jokes, uh, And we are thrilled to be joined
by a Jack of a different sort, Mr Jack very
funny co host of The Culture King What up? What up? Man?
How you doing? I'm good man, thrilled to have you.
I've seen you guys three times this week. Yeahday a lot. Yeah,
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practically dated. We're all in love now, guys. What what
is something from your search history? Uh? That's revealing about
who you are? Somebody? Oh, TJ. I just looked up
t J Henderson. T J Henderson was a character on
Smart Guy. And somebody posted on my Twitter, which I'm
(01:50):
trying to get my Twitter following up, guys, so follow me.
Somebody said that I looked like t J Henderson from
Smart Guy, which is Mari ten Tamara's brother, and I
forgot how he looked and I looked it up, and
I want to say bless you to that person because
he's an attractive dude and I love it. Man. So
(02:11):
if that's how I looked at you, man. He used
to play UH at a rival high school. When I
was playing UH, I wasn't I was. I was in
the band. I wasn't out there playing football because I
liked my summer vacation. But whenever we would play them,
everyone going Smart Guy and he was like a tailback.
He got fucking destroyed one player I remember, and we
were like, meanwhile, I was holding a trumpet, but that
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was so yeah, that's right, taj Maori got you notre
Dame Knights up in here, and you look like me exactly.
So what's up now? So what's up now? Jackies? What's
something you think is underrated? Underrated? Wrestling? Professional wrestling? You
think it's underrated. I think it's underrated because people always
say it's bullshit. Yeah, okay, it's not bullshit. Stories are
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it's soap operus for man, it's scripted. Guys, you've heard this.
It's not fake. You can't fake a fall. You can't
fake well, they do fake the blood, but they fake
it by cutting. They blade, but that's so blood. Yeah,
and sometimes they fall off ladders. You can't fake that.
Tell me that Steve that Stone Coast, Steve Ox and
blood face at Royal Rumble was fake. That wasn't fake that.
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That was real blood. And you know what else, I'm
an actor. It really bothers me when actors say wrestling
it's bullshit. Man, tell me you wouldn't want to come out,
step through a curtain and have fifteen thousand people screaming
your name three days a week. Man, that's a dream.
For every actor. Man, that's a dream, especially if you're
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in theater, because wrestling is theater, stage, combat, and improv
all in one, and they're strong. That's why the Rocket
is one the best exactly. I mean for the millions
if you're s oh Man were. I loved wrestling. I
still I still can't. I stopped watching when The Rock
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left because he was like, uh he was he was
an icon for the Blazian people out there, and I
was like, oh, ship, yeah, Rocky, he's some moment. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I P I. You know, here is he blazing? Yeah?
What's what's the take from me? And I'm black? Uh
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so yeah that's black. He's a slap that sounds We'll
just keep it m P I P I oh um. Yeah.
I haven't watched pro wrestling since I was a kid,
but we had a big wrestling fan at Cracked who
wrote about it a lot, and there's some crazy stories
about like dudes getting into car accidents and then like
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having to stay in character because Vince McMahon was like,
if I see you getting out of character around like
actual you know, news cameras and news cameras, you'll be fired.
So they like would stay in character no matter what.
The ultimate wars like yeah he grabs, but they were
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on they were like roll. They were driving around together
and they were supposed to be enemies, and so when
they got in the accident, like yeah, they had to
act at each other like settled down and I gave
this relationship with one day. Right. Oh no, who's your
favorite wrestled all time? The rock Stone call very close second. Uh. Currently,
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I don't know if I have a favorite wrestler. I
would say probably Sasha Banks is up there female wrestler.
She's dope as hell. Uh And I don't know, man
like all the men wrestlers are just borring sometimes in whack.
But that's why I really like Mike Foli man kind
because also like brand was crazy. Yeah, he's like I
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have socked and I will just gag you with this
sock in your mouth. Yeah, what is what is Saco?
Sacho was his sock that he would put on his hand.
He woul hit with that claw like his finishing moves disgusting,
but he's amazing, and that was his finishing move. I love.
This is something else I love about wrestling, how you
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can like do a suplex off the top rope and
like go to pen your opponent and they kick out,
but mankind puts a sock in your mouth like you
or Rikishi would just make you eat his ass. Yeahsn't
even talked about that. You're like, wow, some of the
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moves were not really moving. What do you think the
idea that they should be cast like superheroes and that
they should just be able to recast Hulk Hogan into
like as a new dude like that, like doctor Who. Yeah, yeah,
like Doctor Who. No man because especially now in wrestling today,
like you were talking about that story earlier, and a
lot of that has gone away, like wrestling is very
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much or w W is very much pulled back the
curtain on cavet uh So a lot of these people
now are larger than life. Like if they would do
something like that, there would be no Rock or there
would be you know, no John c Know who's kind
of blowing up in the outside world now, so in
a really nice guy. Yeah, I did video him, like
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uh back in my old job where I didn't realize
how much of a prolific make a wish is the
most most the most prolific wish and he loves it. Man.
It's not even like on some pr ship I think,
I hope, I don't know. I don't know how picture
ship comes out. And people like, you know what, John
is really problematic. You know he's counterbalancing something that he
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does that. It's not a zero sum game. Okay, people
can be really nice before people come at me on right,
all right? What is something uh that you think is overrated? Soshi?
So so sorry, sorry, miles, I have to keepe for
my country. Let me tell Let me tell you why.
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First of all, I will put this this out there.
I'm not a seafood fan in so I will say
that so from an outside perspective, looking in is the
epitome of presentation means everything because it's just raw fish.
I don't like. You could go in the ocean, pull
out of fish and eat it and it's the same thing.
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It's the same thing on the boat go bare hand. Well,
I mean all right, so they opened it up and
they cut it, but then they then you just eat
the inside. I don't get it. It's presentation. I understand. Yes,
if you don't like seafood, then you don't get the
magic of how good like their high quality fish seems
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and presentation. You know, that is it's part of the
art form of sea. Because I also saw somebody on
someone went to high school with on Instagram. They're like, oh,
sushi nite and they had like some weird like d
I y plastic tube to make susual most offensive thing
I've ever seen. And I was like, this is just
expecting the ingredients anything. My sushi made by a sushi
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chef with the right temperature hands a man. That's the
weirdest thing about sushi shots. They're like, no, women, their
hands are the wrong tempora. Sushi is also a problemat
problematic exactly. I'm so sorry. Look I'm just getting I'm
getting I'm getting sick. But yeah, you know that is
a problem with with the culture over there in Japan.
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I can't defend that. But yes, I feel like women,
you know, they can make sushi just the same because
my mom fucking makes it, and a lot of people's
mom's Japanese moms make that and they throw it down.
So but you were saying that, like you don't you
don't want people doing homemade sushi, right, I don't care. Look,
I'm not here to fucking rain on anybody's parade. You
want to make sushi, go ahead, but don't like flex
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on Instagram when you mutilate the ingredients and act like
you're fucking jero. Um, have you had sugar fish? I
feel like sugarfish is sushi for people who don't don't
like sushi. Yeah, no, you have it. I've been the
sugar fish, but then I got a burger instead. They don't.
They don't have burgers. Then, you know, but I can't
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fall you if you don't. If you're not a fan
of fish in general, then yeah, you're not gonna like
raw fish. I'm not gonna ask a vegetarian steak tartar
and like, how do you mean you don't like this? Horse? Right? Exactly?
Don't get it? All right. We're trying to take a
sample of what people are thinking talking about right now,
and the way we like to open that conversation up
is by asking our guest what is a myth? What
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is something that the people believe that is not actually true?
All right? So I was just watching last night a
thirty for thirty called Jordan Rides the Bus. Have you
guys seen this wait, which is about Jordan rides the bus. No,
it's about his It's about him when he went to
the minors in the play base for the Birmingham Barons. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Oh I always see that image when I do it,
and I'm like, man, I lived that or obviously as
if I knew what the fun is in there, But
for whatever reason, I never actually watched that one. It's
it's pretty good actually, uh. And like there's this myth
that Jordan's was just a god awful baseball player. Yeah,
he wasn't. Like he started getting good, to start getting
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good at it and hitting stolen he started hitting home runs,
he stole thirty basis, he drove in fifty RBIs. When
he went to like the Winter League, he raised his
bad and average of fifty points. And that's just in
one season. And then the strike happened and then he
went back to basketball. But if he would have probably
had two more years, yeah he would have gone. He
would have probably made the majors. He would have been
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a bad Major league BA. But still, that's fucking incredible
that something he was just like, oh that's wild, and
you know, I never played. I haven't played since Little
league and paying thirty one and like fresh off of
It's not like he went to go train. I mean
like he retired from basketball and then the next week
went to baseball. Uh So, like this myth that he
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was just the worst baseball player. Uh made a mockery
of the sport. It's kind of insane, It wasn't. This
is the best example of the myth being something I thought,
because I think one of the reasons when I saw
I was like, man, I already know what they're going
to say, how looking bad he was, and then now
to know that within that documentary is oh, he was
actually a great he was improving. I wanted to avoid
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it because it was such a painful memory for me
because I was like such a Jordan's stand at the time,
and when he retired, I was like, why would he
do this to me? I was so upset. Can you
imagine living in Chicago? Man? What was that like for you?
It was rough? Man, I remember because that was right.
The first memory I have of basketball was the Bulls
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winning against the Lakers championship That literally that game, because
I was just like what is I'm like five or six,
I'm like, this is this is exciting? So like that's
when I started watching basketball. So Jordan was my world
in everybody's world in Chicago, especially, so when he went
to go play baseball, I didn't quite understand it because
I was still kind of young. I was like, I
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didn't understand that to us, Yeah, but I didn't understand
that that just wasn't something people did right there. Because
also at this time, there's Dion Sanders, There's Bow Jackson,
so you got these multi sport athletes. I'm like, all right,
but people are calling Bo Jackson and Dean Sanders like
the greatest athletes or Bo Jackson the greatest athlete ever
because he played two sports. So Jordan was probably like, yeah, there,
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I can do it. Yeah, I'm more hurt when he
went to the Wizards. That hurt me more that it
was disgusting. Yeah, you know, he used to like drink
kognac and uh smoke a cigar before Wizards games before
he played. Most of the time he didn't pay. I
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remember getting mad at a kid if we're buying a
Wizard's Jordan's jersey, I'm like, that's not a Jorgan propagand
you believe do you believe the conspiracy theory that he
got banned by David Stern. There's some convincing stuff for it,
like I think that Jordan's was like gambling so much
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on that, uh what was gambling so much and had
possibly gambled on the n b A. And so rather
than Pete rosing him and like, you know, losing the
most marketable thing that it ever happened to the n
b A, David Stern was like, I'm going to suspend
you for a year and a half. You're going to
call it a temporary retirement. Because during his initial press
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conference when he announced his retirement, he at one point
somebody was like, do you think there's a chance he'll
ever come back? And he said, I don't know. Maybe
if David Stern lets me like such a weird statement,
like maybe he just like misspoke or something. I mean,
the Devil's advocates, I would be like, you know, David
Stern being mad that his ash Kal is leaving the league,
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and he'd be so pissed that that's happening. But yeah,
I guess if you look at it like that, and
if you know, it's gonna be like like two seasons
and then it's over. But also it's not even that.
I mean, yeah, as they hit from the NBA, but
so many people tuned in and be like, oh, what
the bull is gonna be like without Jordan's and he
went to go play for his owner of the Bulls
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baseball team. Uh so, like it's not like he just
went to baseball, like he did a lateral move to.
I have spent so much time googling, uh like doing
you know, internet research on the murder of Jordan's father
because like I because that happened at the same time,
and I was like if that was connected to his
gambling and stern knew that and there was like some
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cover up, but it doesn't seem like that there was
any relationship. Case closed the Internet says, case closed on
the Internet is never wrong. All right, let's get into
what's going on in the world at large today. So
we've got the Winter Olympics coming up. Uh Jackies is
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a huge stand. He's wearing his curling T shirt right now.
Uh no, So we're just gonna do a quick kind
of preview of you know, the very very basics of
the Winter Games back in Greece and uh yeah, actually
I'm Danny Zuko. Uh So, I mean the thing people
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are talking about North Korea is coming. Uh, they're participating.
This has opened up talks between North and South Korea.
The US is being left out in the cold a
little bit. They're like, but but we said not to
be friends with that one. They're like the mean girl
who's like, what are you doing? But we need this
conflict to distract people from Trump's right. Um. So one
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thing that always kind of works with the Olympics is
the time difference, right if it's you know, so they
are fourteen hours ahead of Eastern time East, So what's
seventeen hours ahead for US here? Eleven hours ahead? I think? No,
seventeen hours ahead. Yeah. For instance, the men's hockey final
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on February will finish at four pm. UH. That will
be two am in New York. Actually not bad here
that it'll finish at eleven pm in uh California. Does
that mean everything's gonna be on a delay. Yeah. So
that's the thing that that's what I'm trying to figure out.
I just had an experience with this, UH on New
Year's when I just wanted to watch the like live
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feed of the ball drop in New York because I
wanted to like go to bed at nine and uh,
they like I couldn't find it. Everything was on a delay.
And I think that that's kind of how they tend
to do the Olympics is they don't give you a
live feed. They just have a whole block of programming
saved up of like the highlights. But if you were
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at all, like you know, on social media, that totally
fucks everything up. That's why I think when it was
in Rio, the way I did is I watched the
NBC Sports app because they had lives that was only
like a few hours off, right, No, it was a
little bit more. Yeah. Yeah, and I've done in the
past because I like, you know, like I just love
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the Olympics personally because for me, it's like there's nothing
higher for some of these athletes, like this is the
be all end all of their life is defined by
going to the Olympics and trying to win gold, which
is why I like the Olympics generally. Uh. But yeah,
the the live feed is great because it's it's just
nice to like not get the sort of sanitized, edited
down version that they'll run like during prime Time with
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Bob Costas is like monologues written out and like or
like wearing sunglasses because you had that weird eye infection
that was so weird, and I was like, what is
he doing? Somebody came in me during the Rio Olympics.
I was at a bar and I was watching uh
Bolt like run his race and it was nighttime I'm here,
and it was daytime there, and I was like, oh
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is this live? This is about to happen with the
friend and some dude sitting at the bar turned around.
It was like, is daytime? Does it look like his live?
You're like, do you not know? How? Do you? Like? Motherfucker?
It could be? I was so mad, is that your
truck with all the flat earth stickers on it? Out
of here? Do not know how to earth rotate? I
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have seen a truck with like all sorts of flat
earth stickers like multiple times in my neighborhood. It's crazy
live near a flat earth. There's a video where I
saw on read it or something this flat earth. He
just gets destroyed, like like on a skype call like
they're doing it. They're like, well, let's just take this
and I will dismantle your brain. Right. Um. So just
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some stories that you might hear about. We have the
first African American speed skater. Yeah, these Olympics, that will
be interesting taking over everything baby from Black Stars and
the Black Star is what they call the Canadian national team. Okay,
so Time magazine actually had an interesting feature where that
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is surprising, I know where they did a map of
the most watched winter sports in every country. So they
did like a map of the globe and showed like
a color coded map. And speed skating is actually the
biggest sport in China and all of Mongolia. It's like
huge there. So that's interesting. Um, hockey in the US
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and basically all of Russia, curling in most of North
Africa and the Middle East, which curling is like soothing
to watch. There's something about curling like, yeah, it's a
little like baseball, but like the way they glide on
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the ice is just interesting. It's like watching humans as
bowling balls almost but like slow. Yeah, it's like bowling
with like a janitorial crew in front of it's actually
it's it's a lot of fun to watch. I highly
recommend people give curling a shot. Um, do you think that, uh,
it's surprising that ice skating isn't like the number one anywhere?
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Do you think it was like in the nineties. Figure
skating is number one in Japan, okay, yeah, and they
Korea too. I feel like I think in North Korea
it's number one, but South Korea it's also speed skating.
Oh yeah, they have some beast speed skaters in South
Korea too, so yeah, um, but yeah, I think figure
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skating is probably second in all the countries where it's
the most popular one in Jimmy, come on, Jamaica, it
looks like it's loge. I'm surprised how much they love
Bob's letting. In Brazil and Mexico, it looks like he
is losing not the same as Bob's letting because it's
just like one man suicide slate skeleton or whatever. Is
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that not cool runnings? That this running? Does everybody get
the four men hop in? Okay? Um Bob's lake so
uh something to look forward to if you're an athlete
at the Games. Uh, you're gonna be fucking one point
seven times a day apparently if you're staying in the
Olympic village, that's something you hear every year. But apparently
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it is not a myth. That ship just it goes down.
If you're really. Yeah, everybody every like athletes just all
funk each other. It doesn't matter if you're like married
or whatever. It's just it goes down at the Olympic
village because they're all just like peak the peak of there.
And especially if if your events are done like on
day three, right, what else you gonna do? Yeah, and
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think about the tension that they have to release. You know,
they've got, like their whole life has been building up
to this. So can you imagine being like like the
wife or a husband of somebody going to, Oh maybe
I want to go to the Olympic. You can't, right right? Uh? Yeah,
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just like some lovey dude. He's like, honey, so uh
staying with the whole curling team. Well we're just in
the same building. Don't worry, you, don't worry. I love you,
but don't call me. Why do you have a suitcase
just with condoms? They are too openly gay athletes, which
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surprisingly are the first openly gay athletes that America is
sent to an Olympics. Is or maybe it's the first
openly gay figure skaters, but yeah, um there's one figure skater,
one speed skater, um, and apparently the White House called
them up and the White House Press Office wanted to
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talk to them and like sort of advise them about
not being so out and proud because it's Adam rippon
or ripping part of my pronunciation to that. But yeah,
I think because they they were asking him about Mike
Pence leading the delegation, like going into the opening ceremony
and his responses. You mean Mike Pennce, the same Mike
Pence that funded a conversion therapy. I'm not buying it.
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And you know, because clearly this guy has openly, uh
been a aggressive opponent of LGBT rights and just looks
at gay people in a very fucked up way. And
so yeah, yeah, he's like he's not trying to funk
with that, but nice, try though to trying to maybe
get him to say something nice, but I'm not gonna happen. Uh.
And finally, Chloe Kim, who is like apparently already the
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goat and snowboarding. She's seventeen. She is a Korean American
young woman who is apparently going to be People are
banging on her being sort of the star of the Olympics.
So shout out to the Korean American community. Yeah, it's insane,
like the N sixty four game Snowboarding Come to life.
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That's how many That's three that's three rotations, Yes it is. Yeah,
it's so many that I can't do that math in
my head. Man, I played so much Tony Hawking snowboarding.
Good at those in three sixty multiplayers or whatever. You right? Anyway,
all right, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll
be right back. And we're back. Um, so we're running along,
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but we have to get into uh this Quincy Jones interview.
Uh he went as the headline on our doc here
says he went in. He goes on many topics. Yeah,
so Miles, you're gonna just take us. I'm just gonna
read the best moment. So, yeah, he's got a he's
about turn eighty five, a Netflix document blah blah blah,
(25:41):
it doesn't matter, documentary coming. Yes, he's in this article
says he's in the midst of victory lap ahead of
his turning eighty five in March, and Netflix documentary to
CBS special hosted by Oprah that are all on the
horizon and we all know. Quincy Jones, a prolific music producer,
has worked with the best and he has a right
to have an opinion on many things because he has
he has seen it all. He even played uh, you know,
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jazz with a fucking Benito Mussolini's son. Okay, so that's
even in this article. But let me just go through
some of the hotter takes in here. So, uh, they
go through the usual stuff, they get to Michael Jackson
and they so this is him on Michael Jackson produced
Thriller right, yes, a little little out album. Yes, uh,
some people may have heard of it. Uh. So he
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says about Michael Jackson. I hate to get into this publicly,
but Michael stole a lot of stuff. He stole a
lot of songs like Donna, Summer, State of Independence, Ambila,
Jean the Nose, Don't lie man. He was as Macavillian
as they come. And he says, they go on. He
sort of explains a little more about how he's like
always kind of taking sections of song and making his own,
which is fine because everything is Yeah. They yeah, it
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sounds like it's the same notes, like he said, but
it's definitely sped up. And I still think Michael Jackson
is a genius for remembering that bassline and being like Oh,
I'll take that, slow it down, put it here and
make the greatest pop. And then he said what about
The interview asked, what about outside of music? What's misunderstood
about Michael? I used to kill him about the plastic
surgery man. He'd always justified and say it was because
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of some disease he had. That was bullshit. And then
they're like, well, how much were his problems wrapped up
with fame? You mean the way he looked? He had
a problem with his looks because his father told him
he was ugly and abused him. What do you expect?
And there's like, yeah, you know, a strange juxtaposition. How
Michael's music was joyous but his life seems sadder and
more odd as time goes by, and quin he says, yes,
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but at the end, Michael's problem was proper fall and
that problem affects everyone. Doesn't matter if you're famous. Big
Farmer making Oxycon and all that ship is a serious thing.
I was around the White House for eight years with
the Clintons, and I learned about how much influence Big
Farmer has. It's no joke. What's your sign? Man? And
the interviews like, uh, pisces me too. It's a great sign. Uh.
(27:51):
And then he goes on, you just mentioned the Clintons,
who are your friends, friends of yours? Why is there
still such visceral dislike of them? What are other people
not see being in Hillary for example, that you see
And he goes it's because there's a side of her
when you keep secrets. Day backfired. Interview goes on, like
what secrets? Man? This is something else I shouldn't be
talking about. Interview goes, well, you seem to know a lot.
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I know too much, man, what's something you wish you
didn't know? Who killed Kennedy? And then interview goes on,
who did it? Man? Chicago mobster Sam Joan Connor? Man,
the connection was there between Sinatra and the mafia and Kennedy.
Joe Kennedy. Man, he was a bad man. He came
to Frank to have him talk to Gian Connor about
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getting votes in Illinois and they're like, yes, we've heard
this theory before that the mom helped win Illinois for Kennedy.
And he goes on, man, we shouldn't be talking about
this publicly. Where are you from? And he's like Toronto.
So that's that's how they sort of interviews going like
he's got a lot of interesting things. Then just like
drop an earth shadow, what's uh so? Then they go
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on a little bit later, then they kind of get
to more current events, like sort of the me too movement.
He says, Well, we've obviously been learning more lately about
how just how corrosive the entertainment industry can be for women.
As someone who's worked in the business at the highest
levels for so many years, do all the recent revelations
come as a surprise. No, man, women had to put
up with that fucked up ship. Women and brothers, we're
(29:24):
both dealing with the glass ceiling. But what about the
alleged behavior of a friend of yours like Bill Cosby?
Is it hard to square what he's been accused of
with the person you know, it was all of them,
Brett Ratner, Weinstein, Weinstein, Man, he's a job motherfucker, would
wouldn't return my five, calls a bully return my five,
and he's a bully. He called him a jive motherfucker,
(29:45):
Like this is dolomite or something. What about Cosby? Though?
What about it? Where the allegations and surprised to you? Man,
we can't talk about this in public. Man, I'm surprised
he didn't pivot that was to be like, hey, man,
who does your hair? That what happens? So then they
go into then they start talking about racism, like you know,
this modern age and like white nationalism that's popping up.
(30:06):
And the interview asked what stirred everything up? Is it
all about Trump? Is um uh? And Quincy replies, it's Trump,
an uneducated rednecks man. Trump is just telling them what
they want to hear. I used to hang out with him.
He's a crazy motherfucker, limited mentally, a megalomaniac, narcissistic. I
can't stand him. I used to dat av Anka, you
know what, he's dating vodka? So obviously his daughter yes?
(30:29):
His daughter says, wait, really yes, sir. Twelve years ago,
Tommy Hill figure who was working with my daughter Cadata, said, quote,
Ivanka wants to have dinner with you. I said, no problem.
She's a fine motherfucker. She had the most beautiful legs
I ever saw in my life. Wrong, father, though, Quincy
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is a fucking fool man. What do you think that
date was? Like? Oh my god, I I just have
to take a sing for that when I still have
the process would be like just how he has like,
you know, I should dati Vanka twelve years ago at
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the time, like in her early twenties at that time. One, No,
she's I think like or something like right, So twelve
years ago she would have been twenty five. Twelve years
ago for eighty five year old would have been seventy three. Yeah,
she would have been. And he's see at the time
if they dated, I don't know. Look, I don't know
what happened with that, but that's just so weird that
she was even like, we need more old people to
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dining with you. So also entirely possible that she was
just like I had a business proposal for him maybe
and he was like she didn't get trying to get it.
Has He's like kind of a prolific father, you know
what I mean, because data anything, he has women like
your children, like four other women, so you know, he
(31:56):
gets out there. And so anyway, they move on to
the Beatles ship ready for the Fuego take. So he
says he talks about Paul that he said, how was
it like when you first heard rock? And he said
something like, man, just sounds like white boys trying to
rhythm and blues. He's like, you know, I knew Paul
McCartney was twenty one. And then the guy says, what
were your first impressions of the Beatles? That they were
the worst musicians in the world. They were no playing,
(32:18):
motherfucker's Paul was the worst bass player I ever heard,
and Ringo don't even talk about it. I remember once
we were in the studio with George Martin and Ringo
had taken three hours for a four bar thing. He
was trying to fix on the song. He couldn't get it.
We said, mate, why don't you get some logger in line,
some shepherd's pie and take an hour and a half
and relax a little bit. So he did, and we
(32:38):
called Ronnie Varrell, a jazz drummer. Ronnie came in for
fifteen minutes and toward a Ringo comes back and says, George,
can you play it back for me one more time?
So George did. Ringo says that didn't sound so bad,
and I said, yeah, motherfucker, because it ain't you great
guy though, Yo. Pivots, the pivots in this are like
(33:03):
a la jahwan ye. His footwork on these pivots, so
they're unbelow the way he can just sort of diffuse
something so crazy, great question. Jenales just became my favorite person. Man.
Then there's one where he talks about Marlon Brando. This
is just a funny thing where he says, you know,
Marlon Brando and I we should go chat dancing. And
he could dance his ass off. He was the most
(33:25):
charming motherfucker you ever met. He fucked anything anything. He
fuck a mailbox, James Baldwin, Richard pryor, Marvin Gay. He
slept with him. How do you know that? Come on, man,
he did not give a fuck you like Brazilian music.
He said he fucked Marvin. Yeah, I don't know. I
(33:47):
don't know if he was James Baldwin. I don't know
if he's saying that James Baldwin. Fuck, Like, are they
are James Baldwin, Richard prior, Marvin Gay, roll in that
in that camp anything like that, they would suck anything
or that. It's hard to know when you're not, are you.
But it's just so funny that he's like, wait, the
guy even like he slept with them, and he's like,
come on, man, you even give music. Those pivots are
(34:09):
just yet the next level. So I mean, that's that's
just a portion of it. He's still he talks about
playing with like I said, Muslini's son. He the one
good thing, which I'm not I can't fully like read
the quote back, but like he talks about like creatively
what was like sort of his X factor, and he's like,
you know, do you hear any innovation and music? He's like, no, man,
because a lot of these people are chasing like rock
vodka and fat farm okay, clearly taking shots of P
(34:30):
Diddy and uh and also about ten years late, yeah,
fat farm, fat Farm and sponsor I love baby fat
and apple bottom jeans. But he he was saying, like,
you know, the second you chase money, God leaves the
room and you're not gonna make that fire music, which
is I mean, which I think is a really good
piece of advice for anyone never thinking about money when
(34:51):
he was making Yeah, the second you consider an outside
audience and you were just not making art that's true
to you, Yeah, you've lost, which was to me the
most useful thing that I saw. He also talked about
like the person's like would you ever date someone your
your age? And he was like Pah, Yeah, I read
something like maybe a few days ago, so this is
(35:14):
before this interview, or maybe it was something from this
interview that he has twenty two girlfriends and they all
know about each other. Is that right? Is that true? Yeah,
that that's something that happened. Maybe that was like a
Playboy interview. He's getting interviewed a lot, but uh, yeah,
there was. He he talked about how he had twenty
two girlfriends all over the world, like one in each
(35:34):
country that he visits. There's a he kind of makes
references that because the guy just says, uh, the interview asked, okay,
let me ask you a left field question in your memoir.
There's a section where you talk about being a dog.
And he says, that's not what I was thinking of,
but yeah, that's in there. I was thinking, it just
goes on to this other thing like he I think
(35:56):
thought he was alluding to that. Yeah, you want to
hear about the fucking right about it? No, No, I
read your Playboy interview. We we got that. But yeah,
and he talks about how like he's he's never dated
a woman. I think they asked like what his expiration
date is and he says like thirties or forty or
something just stuck in the time warp. Yes, said Cindy
(36:18):
Lapper almost ruined We Are the World with her loud
ass Jewelry had a blowout with her just to show
you hit this man's ego. Though. One of the questions was,
what's something you've worked on that should have been bigger?
And he answers, what the funk are you talking about?
I never had that problem. They were all big. So
he's like LaVar Ball mixed with you. I mean, this dude,
(36:39):
he's I mean, but he he earned it. Yea and
Trump were super talented. Yeah, I mean, he didn't earn
to be problematic, but he definitely earns the right to
talk ship because you know, nobody's on Quincy level. I
guess like he waited for a long time to be
this unfiltered. I mean, when you're when you're an octogenarian,
you know, as we've seen it, you know, you begin
(37:00):
to let loose a little bit, stop giving any fox
at all. So, guys, yes, please check out that it's
it's a wonderful read. And the interview was from what magazine?
It was in Vulture Ulture? Damn great interview. Uh So,
we just wanted to talk about speaking of online outlets
(37:21):
content providers. There was a story yesterday on split Cider
are good friends at Split Cider about how, you know,
Funny or Die recently fired basically their entire editorial staff. Uh,
and that's something that happened at Cracked not too long ago. Uh.
(37:41):
They fired about I think twenty five people, a lot
of the most talented creative people I've ever worked with.
Uh and yeah, definitely, Uh, the most talented people. Uh,
the only talented people. UH don't know. I mean, I
know I was aspired to be at the level of
(38:01):
some of the writers over there. That is now my shoe.
You're all my favorites. Uh. Yeah. So they interviewed this
dude who's still employed it Funnier Die because Funnier Dies
pivoting just to like TV and movies and like long
form stuff. But um, he was talking about how basically
(38:23):
Facebook killed their website, and hearing him kind of just
speak specifically about Facebook, it really resonated with sort of
what I experienced in my last handful of years at Cracked. Uh.
You know, I ran Cracked through a bunch of different
sort of models of traffic acquisition, like we blew up
(38:45):
a lot, like when dig was a thing. You guys
probably don't even remember dig, but dig used to be
like read it. It was like the front page of
the Internet type thing where people would just go there
and see what was popping on, like the Internet. And
we were always like on the front page. And that's
where we got a bunch of like new users who
then you know, started visiting us regularly. But then, you know, Facebook,
(39:09):
Facebook blew us up even more than we were blown
up before, Like it you know, made us extremely big.
At a certain point, they were like, uh an interview
there was an interview with the Facebook engineer who said
that they send more traffic to cracked than to any
other outlet, uh, like anywhere. So we're doing really well
at that point. But then over the last five years,
(39:32):
as Facebook sort of slowly started to uh the destination
of the Internet, well and you know, create a business
model where they were the only advertiser and they wanted
all the advertising revenue and so uh, they weren't interested
in promoting anything that would take people off of Facebook,
(39:52):
which is what all internet content uh would do, and
so uh they started you know, at first it was
their algorithm, uh started promoting just videos because videos kept
you on Facebook. And then they started promoting this thing
called instant articles, which just was articles that you published
(40:14):
on Facebook. And the idea was that they were going
to share revenue with publishers, but then they never really
got around to doing that or creating a model for
sharing revenue. So they just basically have slowly, you know, uh,
suffocated all content creators. And if this is happening to
basically every newspaper that isn't the New York Times or
(40:38):
you know, one of one of the major newspapers that's
big enough to kind of weather this thing. Um, so
it's a it's a thing that's sort of happening behind
the scenes of you know, the zeitgeist, but it it,
it really is having an effect. You know, local news
is incredibly important and uh, you know, local newspapers and
(40:58):
you know even newspapers of big cities are are dying
because of this exact thing like Facebook Berry stuff. Yeah,
Facebook Berries stuff that, and they promote stuff that is
you know, low quality clickbit ship like you know, BuzzFeed.
It's just shitty because yeah, like you know, the Funnier
(41:19):
Die model. Like when I was lobbying, and I always
had my eyes on doing comedy and making my own
funny videos and stuff. Funnier Die was the thing I
looked at as like, oh, look, you can make your
own ship, get some attention on it, and begin to
make some kind of a career for yourself and possibly
sustain your life off of being creative. And you know,
like to now see it completely changed now where you
(41:41):
get squeezed out because they want to keep you on Facebook.
It's really disheartening because that's sort of what a lot
of especially the people who come on this show like
as guests. We all are striving to be able to
live off of offering our talents, our abilities, and our creativity.
And I mean I saw this even when I to
Conde Nast, everything was about Facebook or thinking about like
(42:03):
we were like create creativity was becoming like we were
having to self edit in the name of what was
going to work for face right, Facebook is your editor
has every content creators editor and boss and you have
to And it's the worst kind of boss because they
will never tell you what they value, they like. Their
their algorithm is completely opaque and they change it constantly,
(42:27):
so like all of a sudden, your content will stop
performing on Facebook and stop getting visitors and you will
have no reason why, which is, you know, that's the
worst type of boss to have. A boss who, like
you know, is just changes with you know, has different
whims that change and you don't know there's no logic
to it. Um. And then they're also I mean, this
(42:49):
guy makes a really good point that, uh, they're essentially
running a Payolas scam where you have to basically pay
to have your content placed within their algorithm. And uh,
you know, their algorithm just is completely impossible to deal with,
so you have to pay them to confuse, let them
(43:10):
to get your people who have subscribed to get your
content to actually see your content. So it's it's a
really shitty situation. Uh it sounds like Funnier Die is
actually being really cool about it. And you know, obviously
they just laid a bunch of people off and that's shitty.
But this guy's talks about how management and the companies
(43:32):
get a lot of the blame. But in this case,
it sounds like Funnier Dies being cool. Uh. The people
who made that decision at Cracked were absolutely not and uh,
the company that made that decision and the management that
made that decision at cracked or awful. Uh, but yeah,
I won't get into too much detail there, but would Jack,
(43:54):
let me speak on script what you wrote down, and
I will say it, will say quincidents. They don't know
what they're fucking doing. But it is a like when
you have like Facebook just like at a whim, changing
like their entire logic for how your content performs, and
(44:16):
you have a terrible, terrible parent company who like they
are gonna blame you. They're gonna be like, your content
isn't good and like, why why don't you try harder?
Why don't you do a better job? Why can't you
do more with less money? Right? Exactly? That's yeah. It's
funny too because all the heads of these huge media companies,
as I've worked for one of the most gigantor ones,
(44:37):
they don't give a funk about the content. They just
care about impressions and how they can sell ads. And
that's completely stifles of creativity and they don't realize that
ship was performing because of the creativity. And when you
when you sacrifice that for like, well, what's gonna do well,
you're completely fucking up the recipe and then they wonder
what happens when you abandon the thing that made you
successful in the first place, right, I mean, like I
(45:00):
so doing comedy like promotion is a big part of that,
especially now because everybody is on their phone on social media,
so that's the only way you really can promote. You
can promote other ways, but now they have it where
if you promote like an event that you're doing, they
bury it. So you have to do a picture and
put the event in the comments, and you gotta figure
out all this ship just to get your friends to
(45:22):
come to your stuff is insane. Why are people still
using Facebook? I don't know. Man Mark Zuckelberg is he
must be like an overlord over our minds when he is,
I think for some people that's like a lot of
smart people with strong personalities. I think that he can
convince himself he's right in any situation just by like creating,
(45:45):
you know, constructing an argument that is convenient for whatever
his thing is. And then he probably surrounds himself with
yes man, which is something I also saw at the
parent company. Correct, get Jesse Eisenberg to play you, you
can do whatever. Yeah, I guess all right, we're gonna
take a quick break and we'll be right back. And
(46:14):
we're back. Uh So yeah, like I said, we're running
a little long, but we we do have one more
story that we have to hit. Um. Because Donald Trump
is creating a new, a new tradition here in America,
a giant annual Well will it be military parade? I guess.
(46:34):
I mean I know right now that I think there
gonna start with one. Um. I know, but he wants it,
and he wants a big display of our mighty military
penis all the world to see, where they bring like
giant phallic shaped missiles down the middle of the streets
of death coming down the street. They actually did this
once after the first Iraq War, where America went in
(46:58):
and like lost forty people total and you know, one
in a couple of weeks. Uh. That that war, by
the way, it was a lot because the media was
calling George H. W. Bush a whimp like that. That's
like an underrated aspect of history is the media was like,
he seems like a whimped away he talks and trolled
(47:18):
him into starting a war essentially. Uh. And then yeah,
he had one of these as So it's the last
time that we had a president this insecure Essentially, they
tried this and uh it was successful. There there were
I remember when I was growing up, they had like
fruit snacks that were different fighter plans. Uh oh yeah,
I had Ninja turtle action figures that were like desert storm.
(47:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Yeah. Also, aren't there already military
parades called Memorial Day parades? And I think what he
wants is an aggressive, overt display of our military technology,
which I think happens with all the fucking movies we
make about the army, right, yeah, yeah, I've seen in
Dependence Day a lot, but I know what we got.
(48:03):
Independence Day actually didn't have full military support because they
didn't want Will Smith to date a scripper. Scripper, Yeah,
and they wanted uh yeah who kamakazes himself into the
Aliens to save the world. They wanted him not to
be drunk. They wanted him to be just like a
heroic military pilot. But anyways, yeah, that for people who
(48:26):
don't listen to every episode the on you Yeah, first
of all, work on yourself, but second of all, the
Pentagon spends a lot of money, uh on Hollywood movies
and getting military hardware and Hollywood movies, but miles. So
you wanted to see what actual military people because I
was seeing people talk about stuff like on Reddit, like
there's subreddits like for the army. There's like our army
(48:49):
or our military, and you can hear typically unless people
are lying, uh, you're like, these are people who are
in on the armed forces or the military that are
like just talking about whatever afects the community. And so
with this, like a lot of the comments were like
this is dumb. Like we do flyovers at halftime shows,
we have like movies and TV where we regularly display
(49:10):
like like crazy military technology. A lot of people thinks
it makes us look weak because this is typically the
hallmark of countries that don't have America's military might to
be like we go right here. There's the reason France
has to do this. They didn't do so well in
World War two. Ye, And I think the other thing
(49:31):
is too like the time involved. So one of the
takes that you read what was in the army sub reddit,
one of the guys saying, imagine the amount of time
spent cleaning, painting, transporting and maintaining all the equipment for
the prey. The hours and hours of pass and review practice.
The time spent polishing and shining all the bits, the
inspections and reinspections. Everyone putting equipment on trains to get
to d C is like then you unload, clean the
equipment again, repolish everything, get inspected, practice even more. Finally,
(49:54):
time for the preade. It's hot. Everything is a total clusterfuck.
At the initial point of the parade route, you march,
you get to the rally point, and now you have
to move all this ship back to base, back to
the railhead back on the bus. Is like all you know,
and they're saying, and this will all happen on a
holiday weekend we normally have off and one day after
the parade, uh, the news cycle will move on and
no one will remember it. So a lot of people
just feel like it's unnecessary, Like if you really want
(50:14):
to honor us, like give us some time off, you know,
or give us a coherent strategy in Afghanistan, give us
a coherent military strategy elsewhere, maybe you don't funk up
the State Department. And when you talk to the military people,
like one of the things they say is like an insane,
astounding amount of time is spent cleaning ship. Yeah, so
like having to do this all for a parade, so
(50:34):
that sounds like it would be And also like I
don't think another guy was mentioning like he's like, I
don't think the DC streets can handle a bunch of
M one tanks is rolling through like that either, like
that you're gonna have to work on that infrastructure. Man.
Well that's where the DC City Council was like, and
now they're like, we do want want anything to do
with it, but they haven't even put a budget together.
But I know John Kelly, that old fucking guy. He's
(50:57):
working with the Pentagon to try and see how this
thing all work out. But right, um, I think I
think Americans already know how strong we have. We have
a little section down here titled Lindsay Graham on Parade,
which I thought was like a shitty, weird al spoof
of that Rage against the Machine song. But he said, uh,
(51:20):
it's kind of cheesy and a sign of weakness, That's
what he said. To report it. I love how Lindsay
Graham just gets to talk out of both sides of
his mouth like he knows and then he will be like,
we need to investigate Christopher Steele right, like, shut the
funk up, pick a side. Uh, all right, Oh Doritos
walked back there, Lady Dorito's thing. Apparently they were like, ha, ha,
that was that was just a joke. We weren't. We
(51:42):
didn't really mean that that shitty idea. But then, uh,
you know, our writer Sam Raubman pulled the quote from
the initial interview and there's absolutely no way to interpret
it as anything other than she said that they're going
to design and package snacks differently for women. Uh and
specifically they tried to really but when Pepsi Coo came
(52:04):
out that statement, they really tried to pivot their like
other reporting was inaccurate, and we already have de ritos
for women. They're called Doritos Pepsi. All right, Jackies, what's up?
It has been a pleasure having you has always some
time guests of the world. Yes, sir, Where can people
find you? Oh? You know what? You can find me
(52:26):
on this network Culture Kings podcast every week we dropped.
You can also find me at Jackies Neil on Twitter, Instagram,
on everything at Jackies Neil. Culture Kings is so good,
ain't It's so everyone needs to learn themselves? Yes, and
listen to it. Listen, subscribe miles. Where can people find you?
You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of.
(52:49):
You can find me at jack Undersquirrel Brian on Twitter.
You can find us at dailys Face on Twitter, at
the Daily Zis on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page.
We have a website Daily's i guys dot com where
we post our episodes and our foot where we link
off to all of the stuff that we used as
sources for this episode. Uh, that's gonna do it. For today,
(53:12):
we are going to ride out on that Donna summer
song that Quincy Jones accused Michael Jackson of having stolen
baseline formul the baseline, the baseline is similar in dispat Yeah,
I still don't think it takes anything away. I guess
a court disagreed with me because they did find in
her favor. Uh, just in general though, it's a it's
(53:33):
a dope song. So we're gonna write out on that.
Rest in peace, Michael, Rest in peace, and uh, yes,
we're gonna write out on that. And we will be
back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. Okay, guys,
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shall be this mist shall be say again said it
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Hello the Internet, and welcome to season seventeen, episode three,
after Daily's Like guys for February seven, two ten. My
name is Jack O'Brien. A kay, Yeah, I helped my
uncle Jack off a horse that is courtesy of at
nine point November, and I'm joined by my co host,
Mr Miles Gray. Yes, that was an interesting a K,
(00:21):
but I'm gonna redeem you with mine because we got
a duo a two hand or a K and it
goes into something like this, if you want to go
and get O'Brien with me, the hell in the back
of the benzy? Oh Miles, must that be this great
ray YouTube? Chapman, Rice, you have been hitting us with
some fire a K so fire that we like they
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take time to prepare, so we have some more from you.
But thank you Chapman for that one. It's fire fire AKA,
and thank you for to nine point November because I
regardless of what Miles said, I love that AK. I
mean I brings you back to elementary cool when that
joke was made nonstopped. Oh really yeah, a lot of
(01:06):
Jack jokes, uh, And we are thrilled to be joined
by a Jack of a different sort, Mr Jack very
funny co host of The Culture King What up? What up? Man?
How you doing? I'm good man, thrilled to have you.
I've seen you guys three times this week. Yeahday a lot. Yeah,
(01:28):
practically dated. We're all in love now, guys. What what
is something from your search history? Uh? That's revealing about
who you are? Somebody? Oh, TJ. I just looked up
t J Henderson. T J Henderson was a character on
Smart Guy. And somebody posted on my Twitter, which I'm
(01:50):
trying to get my Twitter following up, guys, so follow me.
Somebody said that I looked like t J Henderson from
Smart Guy, which is Mari ten Tamara's brother, and I
forgot how he looked and I looked it up, and
I want to say bless you to that person because
he's an attractive dude and I love it. Man. So
(02:11):
if that's how I looked at you, man. He used
to play UH at a rival high school. When I
was playing UH, I wasn't I was. I was in
the band. I wasn't out there playing football because I
liked my summer vacation. But whenever we would play them,
everyone going Smart Guy and he was like a tailback.
He got fucking destroyed one player I remember, and we
were like, meanwhile, I was holding a trumpet, but that
(02:35):
was so yeah, that's right, taj Maori got you notre
Dame Knights up in here, and you look like me exactly.
So what's up now? So what's up now? Jackies? What's
something you think is underrated? Underrated? Wrestling? Professional wrestling? You
think it's underrated. I think it's underrated because people always
say it's bullshit. Yeah, okay, it's not bullshit. Stories are
(03:01):
it's soap operus for man, it's scripted. Guys, you've heard this.
It's not fake. You can't fake a fall. You can't
fake well, they do fake the blood, but they fake
it by cutting. They blade, but that's so blood. Yeah,
and sometimes they fall off ladders. You can't fake that.
Tell me that Steve that Stone Coast, Steve Ox and
blood face at Royal Rumble was fake. That wasn't fake that.
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That was real blood. And you know what else, I'm
an actor. It really bothers me when actors say wrestling
it's bullshit. Man, tell me you wouldn't want to come out,
step through a curtain and have fifteen thousand people screaming
your name three days a week. Man, that's a dream.
For every actor. Man, that's a dream, especially if you're
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in theater, because wrestling is theater, stage, combat, and improv
all in one, and they're strong. That's why the Rocket
is one the best exactly. I mean for the millions
if you're s oh Man were. I loved wrestling. I
still I still can't. I stopped watching when The Rock
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left because he was like, uh he was he was
an icon for the Blazian people out there, and I
was like, oh, ship, yeah, Rocky, he's some moment. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I P I. You know, here is he blazing? Yeah?
What's what's the take from me? And I'm black? Uh
(04:27):
so yeah that's black. He's a slap that sounds We'll
just keep it m P I P I oh um. Yeah.
I haven't watched pro wrestling since I was a kid,
but we had a big wrestling fan at Cracked who
wrote about it a lot, and there's some crazy stories
about like dudes getting into car accidents and then like
(04:49):
having to stay in character because Vince McMahon was like,
if I see you getting out of character around like
actual you know, news cameras and news cameras, you'll be fired.
So they like would stay in character no matter what.
The ultimate wars like yeah he grabs, but they were
(05:09):
on they were like roll. They were driving around together
and they were supposed to be enemies, and so when
they got in the accident, like yeah, they had to
act at each other like settled down and I gave
this relationship with one day. Right. Oh no, who's your
favorite wrestled all time? The rock Stone call very close second. Uh. Currently,
(05:36):
I don't know if I have a favorite wrestler. I
would say probably Sasha Banks is up there female wrestler.
She's dope as hell. Uh And I don't know, man
like all the men wrestlers are just borring sometimes in whack.
But that's why I really like Mike Foli man kind
because also like brand was crazy. Yeah, he's like I
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have socked and I will just gag you with this
sock in your mouth. Yeah, what is what is Saco?
Sacho was his sock that he would put on his hand.
He woul hit with that claw like his finishing moves disgusting,
but he's amazing, and that was his finishing move. I love.
This is something else I love about wrestling, how you
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can like do a suplex off the top rope and
like go to pen your opponent and they kick out,
but mankind puts a sock in your mouth like you
or Rikishi would just make you eat his ass. Yeahsn't
even talked about that. You're like, wow, some of the
(06:40):
moves were not really moving. What do you think the
idea that they should be cast like superheroes and that
they should just be able to recast Hulk Hogan into
like as a new dude like that, like doctor Who. Yeah, yeah,
like Doctor Who. No man because especially now in wrestling today,
like you were talking about that story earlier, and a
lot of that has gone away, like wrestling is very
(07:01):
much or w W is very much pulled back the
curtain on cavet uh So a lot of these people
now are larger than life. Like if they would do
something like that, there would be no Rock or there
would be you know, no John c Know who's kind
of blowing up in the outside world now, so in
a really nice guy. Yeah, I did video him, like
(07:21):
uh back in my old job where I didn't realize
how much of a prolific make a wish is the
most most the most prolific wish and he loves it. Man.
It's not even like on some pr ship I think,
I hope, I don't know. I don't know how picture
ship comes out. And people like, you know what, John
is really problematic. You know he's counterbalancing something that he
(07:43):
does that. It's not a zero sum game. Okay, people
can be really nice before people come at me on right,
all right? What is something uh that you think is overrated? Soshi?
So so sorry, sorry, miles, I have to keepe for
my country. Let me tell Let me tell you why.
(08:03):
First of all, I will put this this out there.
I'm not a seafood fan in so I will say
that so from an outside perspective, looking in is the
epitome of presentation means everything because it's just raw fish.
I don't like. You could go in the ocean, pull
out of fish and eat it and it's the same thing.
(08:24):
It's the same thing on the boat go bare hand. Well,
I mean all right, so they opened it up and
they cut it, but then they then you just eat
the inside. I don't get it. It's presentation. I understand. Yes,
if you don't like seafood, then you don't get the
magic of how good like their high quality fish seems
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and presentation. You know, that is it's part of the
art form of sea. Because I also saw somebody on
someone went to high school with on Instagram. They're like, oh,
sushi nite and they had like some weird like d
I y plastic tube to make susual most offensive thing
I've ever seen. And I was like, this is just
expecting the ingredients anything. My sushi made by a sushi
(09:08):
chef with the right temperature hands a man. That's the
weirdest thing about sushi shots. They're like, no, women, their
hands are the wrong tempora. Sushi is also a problemat
problematic exactly. I'm so sorry. Look I'm just getting I'm
getting I'm getting sick. But yeah, you know that is
a problem with with the culture over there in Japan.
(09:29):
I can't defend that. But yes, I feel like women,
you know, they can make sushi just the same because
my mom fucking makes it, and a lot of people's
mom's Japanese moms make that and they throw it down.
So but you were saying that, like you don't you
don't want people doing homemade sushi, right, I don't care. Look,
I'm not here to fucking rain on anybody's parade. You
want to make sushi, go ahead, but don't like flex
(09:50):
on Instagram when you mutilate the ingredients and act like
you're fucking jero. Um, have you had sugar fish? I
feel like sugarfish is sushi for people who don't don't
like sushi. Yeah, no, you have it. I've been the
sugar fish, but then I got a burger instead. They don't.
They don't have burgers. Then, you know, but I can't
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fall you if you don't. If you're not a fan
of fish in general, then yeah, you're not gonna like
raw fish. I'm not gonna ask a vegetarian steak tartar
and like, how do you mean you don't like this? Horse? Right? Exactly?
Don't get it? All right. We're trying to take a
sample of what people are thinking talking about right now,
and the way we like to open that conversation up
is by asking our guest what is a myth? What
(10:37):
is something that the people believe that is not actually true?
All right? So I was just watching last night a
thirty for thirty called Jordan Rides the Bus. Have you
guys seen this wait, which is about Jordan rides the bus. No,
it's about his It's about him when he went to
the minors in the play base for the Birmingham Barons. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(10:58):
Oh I always see that image when I do it,
and I'm like, man, I lived that or obviously as
if I knew what the fun is in there, But
for whatever reason, I never actually watched that one. It's
it's pretty good actually, uh. And like there's this myth
that Jordan's was just a god awful baseball player. Yeah,
he wasn't. Like he started getting good, to start getting
(11:21):
good at it and hitting stolen he started hitting home runs,
he stole thirty basis, he drove in fifty RBIs. When
he went to like the Winter League, he raised his
bad and average of fifty points. And that's just in
one season. And then the strike happened and then he
went back to basketball. But if he would have probably
had two more years, yeah he would have gone. He
would have probably made the majors. He would have been
(11:42):
a bad Major league BA. But still, that's fucking incredible
that something he was just like, oh that's wild, and
you know, I never played. I haven't played since Little
league and paying thirty one and like fresh off of
It's not like he went to go train. I mean
like he retired from basketball and then the next week
went to baseball. Uh So, like this myth that he
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was just the worst baseball player. Uh made a mockery
of the sport. It's kind of insane, It wasn't. This
is the best example of the myth being something I thought,
because I think one of the reasons when I saw
I was like, man, I already know what they're going
to say, how looking bad he was, and then now
to know that within that documentary is oh, he was
actually a great he was improving. I wanted to avoid
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it because it was such a painful memory for me
because I was like such a Jordan's stand at the time,
and when he retired, I was like, why would he
do this to me? I was so upset. Can you
imagine living in Chicago? Man? What was that like for you?
It was rough? Man, I remember because that was right.
The first memory I have of basketball was the Bulls
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winning against the Lakers championship That literally that game, because
I was just like what is I'm like five or six,
I'm like, this is this is exciting? So like that's
when I started watching basketball. So Jordan was my world
in everybody's world in Chicago, especially, so when he went
to go play baseball, I didn't quite understand it because
I was still kind of young. I was like, I
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didn't understand that to us, Yeah, but I didn't understand
that that just wasn't something people did right there. Because
also at this time, there's Dion Sanders, There's Bow Jackson,
so you got these multi sport athletes. I'm like, all right,
but people are calling Bo Jackson and Dean Sanders like
the greatest athletes or Bo Jackson the greatest athlete ever
because he played two sports. So Jordan was probably like, yeah, there,
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I can do it. Yeah, I'm more hurt when he
went to the Wizards. That hurt me more that it
was disgusting. Yeah, you know, he used to like drink
kognac and uh smoke a cigar before Wizards games before
he played. Most of the time he didn't pay. I
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remember getting mad at a kid if we're buying a
Wizard's Jordan's jersey, I'm like, that's not a Jorgan propagand
you believe do you believe the conspiracy theory that he
got banned by David Stern. There's some convincing stuff for it,
like I think that Jordan's was like gambling so much
(14:19):
on that, uh what was gambling so much and had
possibly gambled on the n b A. And so rather
than Pete rosing him and like, you know, losing the
most marketable thing that it ever happened to the n
b A, David Stern was like, I'm going to suspend
you for a year and a half. You're going to
call it a temporary retirement. Because during his initial press
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conference when he announced his retirement, he at one point
somebody was like, do you think there's a chance he'll
ever come back? And he said, I don't know. Maybe
if David Stern lets me like such a weird statement,
like maybe he just like misspoke or something. I mean,
the Devil's advocates, I would be like, you know, David
Stern being mad that his ash Kal is leaving the league,
(15:01):
and he'd be so pissed that that's happening. But yeah,
I guess if you look at it like that, and
if you know, it's gonna be like like two seasons
and then it's over. But also it's not even that.
I mean, yeah, as they hit from the NBA, but
so many people tuned in and be like, oh, what
the bull is gonna be like without Jordan's and he
went to go play for his owner of the Bulls
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baseball team. Uh so, like it's not like he just
went to baseball, like he did a lateral move to.
I have spent so much time googling, uh like doing
you know, internet research on the murder of Jordan's father
because like I because that happened at the same time,
and I was like if that was connected to his
gambling and stern knew that and there was like some
(15:43):
cover up, but it doesn't seem like that there was
any relationship. Case closed the Internet says, case closed on
the Internet is never wrong. All right, let's get into
what's going on in the world at large today. So
we've got the Winter Olympics coming up. Uh Jackies is
(16:06):
a huge stand. He's wearing his curling T shirt right now.
Uh no, So we're just gonna do a quick kind
of preview of you know, the very very basics of
the Winter Games back in Greece and uh yeah, actually
I'm Danny Zuko. Uh So, I mean the thing people
(16:28):
are talking about North Korea is coming. Uh, they're participating.
This has opened up talks between North and South Korea.
The US is being left out in the cold a
little bit. They're like, but but we said not to
be friends with that one. They're like the mean girl
who's like, what are you doing? But we need this
conflict to distract people from Trump's right. Um. So one
(16:52):
thing that always kind of works with the Olympics is
the time difference, right if it's you know, so they
are fourteen hours ahead of Eastern time East, So what's
seventeen hours ahead for US here? Eleven hours ahead? I think? No,
seventeen hours ahead. Yeah. For instance, the men's hockey final
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on February will finish at four pm. UH. That will
be two am in New York. Actually not bad here
that it'll finish at eleven pm in uh California. Does
that mean everything's gonna be on a delay. Yeah. So
that's the thing that that's what I'm trying to figure out.
I just had an experience with this, UH on New
Year's when I just wanted to watch the like live
(17:36):
feed of the ball drop in New York because I
wanted to like go to bed at nine and uh,
they like I couldn't find it. Everything was on a delay.
And I think that that's kind of how they tend
to do the Olympics is they don't give you a
live feed. They just have a whole block of programming
saved up of like the highlights. But if you were
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at all, like you know, on social media, that totally
fucks everything up. That's why I think when it was
in Rio, the way I did is I watched the
NBC Sports app because they had lives that was only
like a few hours off, right, No, it was a
little bit more. Yeah. Yeah, and I've done in the
past because I like, you know, like I just love
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the Olympics personally because for me, it's like there's nothing
higher for some of these athletes, like this is the
be all end all of their life is defined by
going to the Olympics and trying to win gold, which
is why I like the Olympics generally. Uh. But yeah,
the the live feed is great because it's it's just
nice to like not get the sort of sanitized, edited
down version that they'll run like during prime Time with
(18:40):
Bob Costas is like monologues written out and like or
like wearing sunglasses because you had that weird eye infection
that was so weird, and I was like, what is
he doing? Somebody came in me during the Rio Olympics.
I was at a bar and I was watching uh
Bolt like run his race and it was nighttime I'm here,
and it was daytime there, and I was like, oh
(19:03):
is this live? This is about to happen with the
friend and some dude sitting at the bar turned around.
It was like, is daytime? Does it look like his live?
You're like, do you not know? How? Do you? Like? Motherfucker?
It could be? I was so mad, is that your
truck with all the flat earth stickers on it? Out
of here? Do not know how to earth rotate? I
(19:25):
have seen a truck with like all sorts of flat
earth stickers like multiple times in my neighborhood. It's crazy
live near a flat earth. There's a video where I
saw on read it or something this flat earth. He
just gets destroyed, like like on a skype call like
they're doing it. They're like, well, let's just take this
and I will dismantle your brain. Right. Um. So just
(19:45):
some stories that you might hear about. We have the
first African American speed skater. Yeah, these Olympics, that will
be interesting taking over everything baby from Black Stars and
the Black Star is what they call the Canadian national team. Okay,
so Time magazine actually had an interesting feature where that
(20:07):
is surprising, I know where they did a map of
the most watched winter sports in every country. So they
did like a map of the globe and showed like
a color coded map. And speed skating is actually the
biggest sport in China and all of Mongolia. It's like
huge there. So that's interesting. Um, hockey in the US
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and basically all of Russia, curling in most of North
Africa and the Middle East, which curling is like soothing
to watch. There's something about curling like, yeah, it's a
little like baseball, but like the way they glide on
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the ice is just interesting. It's like watching humans as
bowling balls almost but like slow. Yeah, it's like bowling
with like a janitorial crew in front of it's actually
it's it's a lot of fun to watch. I highly
recommend people give curling a shot. Um, do you think that, uh,
it's surprising that ice skating isn't like the number one anywhere?
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Do you think it was like in the nineties. Figure
skating is number one in Japan, okay, yeah, and they
Korea too. I feel like I think in North Korea
it's number one, but South Korea it's also speed skating.
Oh yeah, they have some beast speed skaters in South
Korea too, so yeah, um, but yeah, I think figure
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skating is probably second in all the countries where it's
the most popular one in Jimmy, come on, Jamaica, it
looks like it's loge. I'm surprised how much they love
Bob's letting. In Brazil and Mexico, it looks like he
is losing not the same as Bob's letting because it's
just like one man suicide slate skeleton or whatever. Is
(21:51):
that not cool runnings? That this running? Does everybody get
the four men hop in? Okay? Um Bob's lake so
uh something to look forward to if you're an athlete
at the Games. Uh, you're gonna be fucking one point
seven times a day apparently if you're staying in the
Olympic village, that's something you hear every year. But apparently
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it is not a myth. That ship just it goes down.
If you're really. Yeah, everybody every like athletes just all
funk each other. It doesn't matter if you're like married
or whatever. It's just it goes down at the Olympic
village because they're all just like peak the peak of there.
And especially if if your events are done like on
day three, right, what else you gonna do? Yeah, and
(22:35):
think about the tension that they have to release. You know,
they've got, like their whole life has been building up
to this. So can you imagine being like like the
wife or a husband of somebody going to, Oh maybe
I want to go to the Olympic. You can't, right right? Uh? Yeah,
(22:56):
just like some lovey dude. He's like, honey, so uh
staying with the whole curling team. Well we're just in
the same building. Don't worry, you, don't worry. I love you,
but don't call me. Why do you have a suitcase
just with condoms? They are too openly gay athletes, which
(23:18):
surprisingly are the first openly gay athletes that America is
sent to an Olympics. Is or maybe it's the first
openly gay figure skaters, but yeah, um there's one figure skater,
one speed skater, um, and apparently the White House called
them up and the White House Press Office wanted to
(23:39):
talk to them and like sort of advise them about
not being so out and proud because it's Adam rippon
or ripping part of my pronunciation to that. But yeah,
I think because they they were asking him about Mike
Pence leading the delegation, like going into the opening ceremony
and his responses. You mean Mike Pennce, the same Mike
Pence that funded a conversion therapy. I'm not buying it.
(24:02):
And you know, because clearly this guy has openly, uh
been a aggressive opponent of LGBT rights and just looks
at gay people in a very fucked up way. And
so yeah, yeah, he's like he's not trying to funk
with that, but nice, try though to trying to maybe
get him to say something nice, but I'm not gonna happen. Uh.
And finally, Chloe Kim, who is like apparently already the
(24:26):
goat and snowboarding. She's seventeen. She is a Korean American
young woman who is apparently going to be People are
banging on her being sort of the star of the Olympics.
So shout out to the Korean American community. Yeah, it's insane,
like the N sixty four game Snowboarding Come to life.
(24:48):
That's how many That's three that's three rotations, Yes it is. Yeah,
it's so many that I can't do that math in
my head. Man, I played so much Tony Hawking snowboarding.
Good at those in three sixty multiplayers or whatever. You right? Anyway,
all right, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll
be right back. And we're back. Um, so we're running along,
(25:19):
but we have to get into uh this Quincy Jones interview.
Uh he went as the headline on our doc here
says he went in. He goes on many topics. Yeah,
so Miles, you're gonna just take us. I'm just gonna
read the best moment. So, yeah, he's got a he's
about turn eighty five, a Netflix document blah blah blah,
(25:41):
it doesn't matter, documentary coming. Yes, he's in this article
says he's in the midst of victory lap ahead of
his turning eighty five in March, and Netflix documentary to
CBS special hosted by Oprah that are all on the
horizon and we all know. Quincy Jones, a prolific music producer,
has worked with the best and he has a right
to have an opinion on many things because he has
he has seen it all. He even played uh, you know,
(26:04):
jazz with a fucking Benito Mussolini's son. Okay, so that's
even in this article. But let me just go through
some of the hotter takes in here. So, uh, they
go through the usual stuff, they get to Michael Jackson
and they so this is him on Michael Jackson produced
Thriller right, yes, a little little out album. Yes, uh,
some people may have heard of it. Uh. So he
(26:25):
says about Michael Jackson. I hate to get into this publicly,
but Michael stole a lot of stuff. He stole a
lot of songs like Donna, Summer, State of Independence, Ambila,
Jean the Nose, Don't lie man. He was as Macavillian
as they come. And he says, they go on. He
sort of explains a little more about how he's like
always kind of taking sections of song and making his own,
which is fine because everything is Yeah. They yeah, it
(26:47):
sounds like it's the same notes, like he said, but
it's definitely sped up. And I still think Michael Jackson
is a genius for remembering that bassline and being like Oh,
I'll take that, slow it down, put it here and
make the greatest pop. And then he said what about
The interview asked, what about outside of music? What's misunderstood
about Michael? I used to kill him about the plastic
surgery man. He'd always justified and say it was because
(27:09):
of some disease he had. That was bullshit. And then
they're like, well, how much were his problems wrapped up
with fame? You mean the way he looked? He had
a problem with his looks because his father told him
he was ugly and abused him. What do you expect?
And there's like, yeah, you know, a strange juxtaposition. How
Michael's music was joyous but his life seems sadder and
more odd as time goes by, and quin he says, yes,
(27:31):
but at the end, Michael's problem was proper fall and
that problem affects everyone. Doesn't matter if you're famous. Big
Farmer making Oxycon and all that ship is a serious thing.
I was around the White House for eight years with
the Clintons, and I learned about how much influence Big
Farmer has. It's no joke. What's your sign? Man? And
the interviews like, uh, pisces me too. It's a great sign. Uh.
(27:51):
And then he goes on, you just mentioned the Clintons,
who are your friends, friends of yours? Why is there
still such visceral dislike of them? What are other people
not see being in Hillary for example, that you see
And he goes it's because there's a side of her
when you keep secrets. Day backfired. Interview goes on, like
what secrets? Man? This is something else I shouldn't be
talking about. Interview goes, well, you seem to know a lot.
(28:13):
I know too much, man, what's something you wish you
didn't know? Who killed Kennedy? And then interview goes on,
who did it? Man? Chicago mobster Sam Joan Connor? Man,
the connection was there between Sinatra and the mafia and Kennedy.
Joe Kennedy. Man, he was a bad man. He came
to Frank to have him talk to Gian Connor about
(28:34):
getting votes in Illinois and they're like, yes, we've heard
this theory before that the mom helped win Illinois for Kennedy.
And he goes on, man, we shouldn't be talking about
this publicly. Where are you from? And he's like Toronto.
So that's that's how they sort of interviews going like
he's got a lot of interesting things. Then just like
drop an earth shadow, what's uh so? Then they go
(29:03):
on a little bit later, then they kind of get
to more current events, like sort of the me too movement.
He says, Well, we've obviously been learning more lately about
how just how corrosive the entertainment industry can be for women.
As someone who's worked in the business at the highest
levels for so many years, do all the recent revelations
come as a surprise. No, man, women had to put
up with that fucked up ship. Women and brothers, we're
(29:24):
both dealing with the glass ceiling. But what about the
alleged behavior of a friend of yours like Bill Cosby?
Is it hard to square what he's been accused of
with the person you know, it was all of them,
Brett Ratner, Weinstein, Weinstein, Man, he's a job motherfucker, would
wouldn't return my five, calls a bully return my five,
and he's a bully. He called him a jive motherfucker,
(29:45):
Like this is dolomite or something. What about Cosby? Though?
What about it? Where the allegations and surprised to you? Man,
we can't talk about this in public. Man, I'm surprised
he didn't pivot that was to be like, hey, man,
who does your hair? That what happens? So then they
go into then they start talking about racism, like you know,
this modern age and like white nationalism that's popping up.
(30:06):
And the interview asked what stirred everything up? Is it
all about Trump? Is um uh? And Quincy replies, it's Trump,
an uneducated rednecks man. Trump is just telling them what
they want to hear. I used to hang out with him.
He's a crazy motherfucker, limited mentally, a megalomaniac, narcissistic. I
can't stand him. I used to dat av Anka, you
know what, he's dating vodka? So obviously his daughter yes?
(30:29):
His daughter says, wait, really yes, sir. Twelve years ago,
Tommy Hill figure who was working with my daughter Cadata, said, quote,
Ivanka wants to have dinner with you. I said, no problem.
She's a fine motherfucker. She had the most beautiful legs
I ever saw in my life. Wrong, father, though, Quincy
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is a fucking fool man. What do you think that
date was? Like? Oh my god, I I just have
to take a sing for that when I still have
the process would be like just how he has like,
you know, I should dati Vanka twelve years ago at
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the time, like in her early twenties at that time. One, No,
she's I think like or something like right, So twelve
years ago she would have been twenty five. Twelve years
ago for eighty five year old would have been seventy three. Yeah,
she would have been. And he's see at the time
if they dated, I don't know. Look, I don't know
what happened with that, but that's just so weird that
she was even like, we need more old people to
(31:34):
dining with you. So also entirely possible that she was
just like I had a business proposal for him maybe
and he was like she didn't get trying to get it.
Has He's like kind of a prolific father, you know
what I mean, because data anything, he has women like
your children, like four other women, so you know, he
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gets out there. And so anyway, they move on to
the Beatles ship ready for the Fuego take. So he
says he talks about Paul that he said, how was
it like when you first heard rock? And he said
something like, man, just sounds like white boys trying to
rhythm and blues. He's like, you know, I knew Paul
McCartney was twenty one. And then the guy says, what
were your first impressions of the Beatles? That they were
the worst musicians in the world. They were no playing,
(32:18):
motherfucker's Paul was the worst bass player I ever heard,
and Ringo don't even talk about it. I remember once
we were in the studio with George Martin and Ringo
had taken three hours for a four bar thing. He
was trying to fix on the song. He couldn't get it.
We said, mate, why don't you get some logger in line,
some shepherd's pie and take an hour and a half
and relax a little bit. So he did, and we
(32:38):
called Ronnie Varrell, a jazz drummer. Ronnie came in for
fifteen minutes and toward a Ringo comes back and says, George,
can you play it back for me one more time?
So George did. Ringo says that didn't sound so bad,
and I said, yeah, motherfucker, because it ain't you great
guy though, Yo. Pivots, the pivots in this are like
(33:03):
a la jahwan ye. His footwork on these pivots, so
they're unbelow the way he can just sort of diffuse
something so crazy, great question. Jenales just became my favorite person. Man.
Then there's one where he talks about Marlon Brando. This
is just a funny thing where he says, you know,
Marlon Brando and I we should go chat dancing. And
he could dance his ass off. He was the most
(33:25):
charming motherfucker you ever met. He fucked anything anything. He
fuck a mailbox, James Baldwin, Richard pryor, Marvin Gay. He
slept with him. How do you know that? Come on, man,
he did not give a fuck you like Brazilian music.
He said he fucked Marvin. Yeah, I don't know. I
(33:47):
don't know if he was James Baldwin. I don't know
if he's saying that James Baldwin. Fuck, Like, are they
are James Baldwin, Richard prior, Marvin Gay, roll in that
in that camp anything like that, they would suck anything
or that. It's hard to know when you're not, are you.
But it's just so funny that he's like, wait, the
guy even like he slept with them, and he's like,
come on, man, you even give music. Those pivots are
(34:09):
just yet the next level. So I mean, that's that's
just a portion of it. He's still he talks about
playing with like I said, Muslini's son. He the one
good thing, which I'm not I can't fully like read
the quote back, but like he talks about like creatively
what was like sort of his X factor, and he's like,
you know, do you hear any innovation and music? He's like, no, man,
because a lot of these people are chasing like rock
vodka and fat farm okay, clearly taking shots of P
(34:30):
Diddy and uh and also about ten years late, yeah,
fat farm, fat Farm and sponsor I love baby fat
and apple bottom jeans. But he he was saying, like,
you know, the second you chase money, God leaves the
room and you're not gonna make that fire music, which
is I mean, which I think is a really good
piece of advice for anyone never thinking about money when
(34:51):
he was making Yeah, the second you consider an outside
audience and you were just not making art that's true
to you, Yeah, you've lost, which was to me the
most useful thing that I saw. He also talked about
like the person's like would you ever date someone your
your age? And he was like Pah, Yeah, I read
something like maybe a few days ago, so this is
(35:14):
before this interview, or maybe it was something from this
interview that he has twenty two girlfriends and they all
know about each other. Is that right? Is that true? Yeah,
that that's something that happened. Maybe that was like a
Playboy interview. He's getting interviewed a lot, but uh, yeah,
there was. He he talked about how he had twenty
two girlfriends all over the world, like one in each
(35:34):
country that he visits. There's a he kind of makes
references that because the guy just says, uh, the interview asked, okay,
let me ask you a left field question in your memoir.
There's a section where you talk about being a dog.
And he says, that's not what I was thinking of,
but yeah, that's in there. I was thinking, it just
goes on to this other thing like he I think
(35:56):
thought he was alluding to that. Yeah, you want to
hear about the fucking right about it? No, No, I
read your Playboy interview. We we got that. But yeah,
and he talks about how like he's he's never dated
a woman. I think they asked like what his expiration
date is and he says like thirties or forty or
something just stuck in the time warp. Yes, said Cindy
(36:18):
Lapper almost ruined We Are the World with her loud
ass Jewelry had a blowout with her just to show
you hit this man's ego. Though. One of the questions was,
what's something you've worked on that should have been bigger?
And he answers, what the funk are you talking about?
I never had that problem. They were all big. So
he's like LaVar Ball mixed with you. I mean, this dude,
(36:39):
he's I mean, but he he earned it. Yea and
Trump were super talented. Yeah, I mean, he didn't earn
to be problematic, but he definitely earns the right to
talk ship because you know, nobody's on Quincy level. I
guess like he waited for a long time to be
this unfiltered. I mean, when you're when you're an octogenarian,
you know, as we've seen it, you know, you begin
(37:00):
to let loose a little bit, stop giving any fox
at all. So, guys, yes, please check out that it's
it's a wonderful read. And the interview was from what magazine?
It was in Vulture Ulture? Damn great interview. Uh So,
we just wanted to talk about speaking of online outlets
(37:21):
content providers. There was a story yesterday on split Cider
are good friends at Split Cider about how, you know,
Funny or Die recently fired basically their entire editorial staff. Uh,
and that's something that happened at Cracked not too long ago. Uh.
(37:41):
They fired about I think twenty five people, a lot
of the most talented creative people I've ever worked with.
Uh and yeah, definitely, Uh, the most talented people. Uh,
the only talented people. UH don't know. I mean, I
know I was aspired to be at the level of
(38:01):
some of the writers over there. That is now my shoe.
You're all my favorites. Uh. Yeah. So they interviewed this
dude who's still employed it Funnier Die because Funnier Dies
pivoting just to like TV and movies and like long
form stuff. But um, he was talking about how basically
(38:23):
Facebook killed their website, and hearing him kind of just
speak specifically about Facebook, it really resonated with sort of
what I experienced in my last handful of years at Cracked. Uh.
You know, I ran Cracked through a bunch of different
sort of models of traffic acquisition, like we blew up
(38:45):
a lot, like when dig was a thing. You guys
probably don't even remember dig, but dig used to be
like read it. It was like the front page of
the Internet type thing where people would just go there
and see what was popping on, like the Internet. And
we were always like on the front page. And that's
where we got a bunch of like new users who
then you know, started visiting us regularly. But then, you know, Facebook,
(39:09):
Facebook blew us up even more than we were blown
up before, Like it you know, made us extremely big.
At a certain point, they were like, uh an interview
there was an interview with the Facebook engineer who said
that they send more traffic to cracked than to any
other outlet, uh, like anywhere. So we're doing really well
at that point. But then over the last five years,
(39:32):
as Facebook sort of slowly started to uh the destination
of the Internet, well and you know, create a business
model where they were the only advertiser and they wanted
all the advertising revenue and so uh, they weren't interested
in promoting anything that would take people off of Facebook,
(39:52):
which is what all internet content uh would do, and
so uh they started you know, at first it was
their algorithm, uh started promoting just videos because videos kept
you on Facebook. And then they started promoting this thing
called instant articles, which just was articles that you published
(40:14):
on Facebook. And the idea was that they were going
to share revenue with publishers, but then they never really
got around to doing that or creating a model for
sharing revenue. So they just basically have slowly, you know, uh,
suffocated all content creators. And if this is happening to
basically every newspaper that isn't the New York Times or
(40:38):
you know, one of one of the major newspapers that's
big enough to kind of weather this thing. Um, so
it's a it's a thing that's sort of happening behind
the scenes of you know, the zeitgeist, but it it,
it really is having an effect. You know, local news
is incredibly important and uh, you know, local newspapers and
(40:58):
you know even newspapers of big cities are are dying
because of this exact thing like Facebook Berry stuff. Yeah,
Facebook Berries stuff that, and they promote stuff that is
you know, low quality clickbit ship like you know, BuzzFeed.
It's just shitty because yeah, like you know, the Funnier
(41:19):
Die model. Like when I was lobbying, and I always
had my eyes on doing comedy and making my own
funny videos and stuff. Funnier Die was the thing I
looked at as like, oh, look, you can make your
own ship, get some attention on it, and begin to
make some kind of a career for yourself and possibly
sustain your life off of being creative. And you know,
like to now see it completely changed now where you
(41:41):
get squeezed out because they want to keep you on Facebook.
It's really disheartening because that's sort of what a lot
of especially the people who come on this show like
as guests. We all are striving to be able to
live off of offering our talents, our abilities, and our creativity.
And I mean I saw this even when I to
Conde Nast, everything was about Facebook or thinking about like
(42:03):
we were like create creativity was becoming like we were
having to self edit in the name of what was
going to work for face right, Facebook is your editor
has every content creators editor and boss and you have
to And it's the worst kind of boss because they
will never tell you what they value, they like. Their
their algorithm is completely opaque and they change it constantly,
(42:27):
so like all of a sudden, your content will stop
performing on Facebook and stop getting visitors and you will
have no reason why, which is, you know, that's the
worst type of boss to have. A boss who, like
you know, is just changes with you know, has different
whims that change and you don't know there's no logic
to it. Um. And then they're also I mean, this
(42:49):
guy makes a really good point that, uh, they're essentially
running a Payolas scam where you have to basically pay
to have your content placed within their algorithm. And uh,
you know, their algorithm just is completely impossible to deal with,
so you have to pay them to confuse, let them
(43:10):
to get your people who have subscribed to get your
content to actually see your content. So it's it's a
really shitty situation. Uh it sounds like Funnier Die is
actually being really cool about it. And you know, obviously
they just laid a bunch of people off and that's shitty.
But this guy's talks about how management and the companies
(43:32):
get a lot of the blame. But in this case,
it sounds like Funnier Dies being cool. Uh. The people
who made that decision at Cracked were absolutely not and uh,
the company that made that decision and the management that
made that decision at cracked or awful. Uh, but yeah,
I won't get into too much detail there, but would Jack,
(43:54):
let me speak on script what you wrote down, and
I will say it, will say quincidents. They don't know
what they're fucking doing. But it is a like when
you have like Facebook just like at a whim, changing
like their entire logic for how your content performs, and
(44:16):
you have a terrible, terrible parent company who like they
are gonna blame you. They're gonna be like, your content
isn't good and like, why why don't you try harder?
Why don't you do a better job? Why can't you
do more with less money? Right? Exactly? That's yeah. It's
funny too because all the heads of these huge media companies,
as I've worked for one of the most gigantor ones,
(44:37):
they don't give a funk about the content. They just
care about impressions and how they can sell ads. And
that's completely stifles of creativity and they don't realize that
ship was performing because of the creativity. And when you
when you sacrifice that for like, well, what's gonna do well,
you're completely fucking up the recipe and then they wonder
what happens when you abandon the thing that made you
successful in the first place, right, I mean, like I
(45:00):
so doing comedy like promotion is a big part of that,
especially now because everybody is on their phone on social media,
so that's the only way you really can promote. You
can promote other ways, but now they have it where
if you promote like an event that you're doing, they
bury it. So you have to do a picture and
put the event in the comments, and you gotta figure
out all this ship just to get your friends to
(45:22):
come to your stuff is insane. Why are people still
using Facebook? I don't know. Man Mark Zuckelberg is he
must be like an overlord over our minds when he is,
I think for some people that's like a lot of
smart people with strong personalities. I think that he can
convince himself he's right in any situation just by like creating,
(45:45):
you know, constructing an argument that is convenient for whatever
his thing is. And then he probably surrounds himself with
yes man, which is something I also saw at the
parent company. Correct, get Jesse Eisenberg to play you, you
can do whatever. Yeah, I guess all right, we're gonna
take a quick break and we'll be right back. And
(46:14):
we're back. Uh So yeah, like I said, we're running
a little long, but we we do have one more
story that we have to hit. Um. Because Donald Trump
is creating a new, a new tradition here in America,
a giant annual Well will it be military parade? I guess.
(46:34):
I mean I know right now that I think there
gonna start with one. Um. I know, but he wants it,
and he wants a big display of our mighty military
penis all the world to see, where they bring like
giant phallic shaped missiles down the middle of the streets
of death coming down the street. They actually did this
once after the first Iraq War, where America went in
(46:58):
and like lost forty people total and you know, one
in a couple of weeks. Uh. That that war, by
the way, it was a lot because the media was
calling George H. W. Bush a whimp like that. That's
like an underrated aspect of history is the media was like,
he seems like a whimped away he talks and trolled
(47:18):
him into starting a war essentially. Uh. And then yeah,
he had one of these as So it's the last
time that we had a president this insecure Essentially, they
tried this and uh it was successful. There there were
I remember when I was growing up, they had like
fruit snacks that were different fighter plans. Uh oh yeah,
I had Ninja turtle action figures that were like desert storm.
(47:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Yeah. Also, aren't there already military
parades called Memorial Day parades? And I think what he
wants is an aggressive, overt display of our military technology,
which I think happens with all the fucking movies we
make about the army, right, yeah, yeah, I've seen in
Dependence Day a lot, but I know what we got.
(48:03):
Independence Day actually didn't have full military support because they
didn't want Will Smith to date a scripper. Scripper, Yeah,
and they wanted uh yeah who kamakazes himself into the
Aliens to save the world. They wanted him not to
be drunk. They wanted him to be just like a
heroic military pilot. But anyways, yeah, that for people who
(48:26):
don't listen to every episode the on you Yeah, first
of all, work on yourself, but second of all, the
Pentagon spends a lot of money, uh on Hollywood movies
and getting military hardware and Hollywood movies, but miles. So
you wanted to see what actual military people because I
was seeing people talk about stuff like on Reddit, like
there's subreddits like for the army. There's like our army
(48:49):
or our military, and you can hear typically unless people
are lying, uh, you're like, these are people who are
in on the armed forces or the military that are
like just talking about whatever afects the community. And so
with this, like a lot of the comments were like
this is dumb. Like we do flyovers at halftime shows,
we have like movies and TV where we regularly display
(49:10):
like like crazy military technology. A lot of people thinks
it makes us look weak because this is typically the
hallmark of countries that don't have America's military might to
be like we go right here. There's the reason France
has to do this. They didn't do so well in
World War two. Ye, And I think the other thing
(49:31):
is too like the time involved. So one of the
takes that you read what was in the army sub reddit,
one of the guys saying, imagine the amount of time
spent cleaning, painting, transporting and maintaining all the equipment for
the prey. The hours and hours of pass and review practice.
The time spent polishing and shining all the bits, the
inspections and reinspections. Everyone putting equipment on trains to get
to d C is like then you unload, clean the
equipment again, repolish everything, get inspected, practice even more. Finally,
(49:54):
time for the preade. It's hot. Everything is a total clusterfuck.
At the initial point of the parade route, you march,
you get to the rally point, and now you have
to move all this ship back to base, back to
the railhead back on the bus. Is like all you know,
and they're saying, and this will all happen on a
holiday weekend we normally have off and one day after
the parade, uh, the news cycle will move on and
no one will remember it. So a lot of people
just feel like it's unnecessary, Like if you really want
(50:14):
to honor us, like give us some time off, you know,
or give us a coherent strategy in Afghanistan, give us
a coherent military strategy elsewhere, maybe you don't funk up
the State Department. And when you talk to the military people,
like one of the things they say is like an insane,
astounding amount of time is spent cleaning ship. Yeah, so
like having to do this all for a parade, so
(50:34):
that sounds like it would be And also like I
don't think another guy was mentioning like he's like, I
don't think the DC streets can handle a bunch of
M one tanks is rolling through like that either, like
that you're gonna have to work on that infrastructure. Man.
Well that's where the DC City Council was like, and
now they're like, we do want want anything to do
with it, but they haven't even put a budget together.
But I know John Kelly, that old fucking guy. He's
(50:57):
working with the Pentagon to try and see how this
thing all work out. But right, um, I think I
think Americans already know how strong we have. We have
a little section down here titled Lindsay Graham on Parade,
which I thought was like a shitty, weird al spoof
of that Rage against the Machine song. But he said, uh,
(51:20):
it's kind of cheesy and a sign of weakness, That's
what he said. To report it. I love how Lindsay
Graham just gets to talk out of both sides of
his mouth like he knows and then he will be like,
we need to investigate Christopher Steele right, like, shut the
funk up, pick a side. Uh, all right, Oh Doritos
walked back there, Lady Dorito's thing. Apparently they were like, ha, ha,
that was that was just a joke. We weren't. We
(51:42):
didn't really mean that that shitty idea. But then, uh,
you know, our writer Sam Raubman pulled the quote from
the initial interview and there's absolutely no way to interpret
it as anything other than she said that they're going
to design and package snacks differently for women. Uh and
specifically they tried to really but when Pepsi Coo came
(52:04):
out that statement, they really tried to pivot their like
other reporting was inaccurate, and we already have de ritos
for women. They're called Doritos Pepsi. All right, Jackies, what's up?
It has been a pleasure having you has always some
time guests of the world. Yes, sir, Where can people
find you? Oh? You know what? You can find me
(52:26):
on this network Culture Kings podcast every week we dropped.
You can also find me at Jackies Neil on Twitter, Instagram,
on everything at Jackies Neil. Culture Kings is so good,
ain't It's so everyone needs to learn themselves? Yes, and
listen to it. Listen, subscribe miles. Where can people find you?
You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of.
(52:49):
You can find me at jack Undersquirrel Brian on Twitter.
You can find us at dailys Face on Twitter, at
the Daily Zis on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page.
We have a website Daily's i guys dot com where
we post our episodes and our foot where we link
off to all of the stuff that we used as
sources for this episode. Uh, that's gonna do it. For today,
(53:12):
we are going to ride out on that Donna summer
song that Quincy Jones accused Michael Jackson of having stolen
baseline formul the baseline, the baseline is similar in dispat Yeah,
I still don't think it takes anything away. I guess
a court disagreed with me because they did find in
her favor. Uh, just in general though, it's a it's
(53:33):
a dope song. So we're gonna write out on that.
Rest in peace, Michael, Rest in peace, and uh, yes,
we're gonna write out on that. And we will be
back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. Okay, guys,
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