SOSHULIZM IS DEADLY! Dog-Faced Pony Soldier? 2.11.20

In episode 567, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Tiff Stevenson to discuss Joe Biden's reaction to a question about electability, the mainstream media claiming Trump had a good week, Chris Matthew's absurd fear of socialism, Oscar's coverage, and more!

FOOTNOTES:

1. Joe Biden just called his own supporter a Lying Horse-Faced Pony Soldier during a Town Hall in New Hampshire! 
2. 8 very good things that happened to Donald Trump this week
3. Here's the video of the moment... It really is something
4. WATCH: Oscars 2020: Winners, speech highlights from the Academy Awards
5. Joaquin Phoenix's Oscars speech in full: 'We feel entitled to artificially inseminate a cow and steal her baby'
6. We don’t talk enough about animal suffering. That’s why Joaquin Phoenix’s Oscars speech matters.
7. “I Fucking Love My Life”: Joaquin Phoenix on Joker, Why River Is His Rosebud, His Rooney Research, and His “Prenatal” Gift for Dark Characters
8. Why Don’t We Talk About Joaquin Phoenix When We Talk About Casey Affleck?
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, twenty, episode
two of These Guys production of I Heart Radio. This
is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America.
Chack just says that officially off the top the Koch
Brothers and fun Fox News. It's Tuesday, February eleven. Happy
b day to my pops. Shout out to him. My

(00:23):
name is Jack O'Brien, a k A. Oh my god,
what days go by? St think group you. Jack O'Brien
loves his mountain do. He couldn't live without his mountain do. Alright,

(00:49):
that's plenty. Uh had his courtesy. Oh Christie, I'm a
Gucci man. Uh uh. I don't know for some reason
that that chorus always sounds like it's being sung by
an elderly man. To me, it sounds very much like
a robot. I don't know why. It's just got a

(01:13):
vo and you're hearing Jez cool bird. I think it
might be the content of the lyrics. I just kind
of like looking into an old like Garat type. He's
an old robot. Yeah, well, I am thrilled to be
joined by the other voice you're hearing right there, My

(01:35):
co host Mr Miles if you hit the blood right kind,

(01:58):
she's kinda make you happy. Okay, I'm gonna stop right there.
Thank you for that. You look. One of the only
YouTube album my own which I believe, is that album Wow,
only because at the time I didn't know. This almost
sounded like a black person to me, and I was like, oh,
this YouTube band doing something. I had no idea of

(02:20):
the other songs they made, and very narrowly when this
came on the radio, just with like the baseline and
the little fucking little keyboard stabs organ hits, I was like,
this ship goes. And then I listened to the rest
of the album and I was like, what is this
some very heavy affected vocals. Today, we're also going on
the road miles with our time machine and superproducer Anna Hosnie.

(02:42):
Right now, we're taking you guys back in time in
Brooklyn at the Bellhouse on February Wednesday. Wednesday, that's tomorrow,
Holy shit. H Washington, d C. February at the Miracle
Theater Natalie McGill. It will be miraculous. It is the
day after tomorrow. UH Minneapolis, February twenty five at the

(03:02):
Parkway Theater with POS Chicago February seven of the Sleeping
Village with Daniel Vang you'll kirk and of course Toronto
the grand finale February at the Great Hall, a great
not even specifying which one, just the Great Hall, there's
only one. Yeah you know that'll be with Drake Frank Ocean,

(03:27):
uh many others. So for tickets go to daily Ze
guys dot com go to the live appearances to have
for links to the tickets. We are thrilled and lucky
to be joined today by the hilarious, the talented Tiff
students are damn straight, damn straight welcome. About to be

(03:48):
about to be a patriot? Huh? About to be supposed
to becoming a someone of an American paying into your system? Yes? Now,
what do you have to do to become a patriot
other than watch the Gibson film Patriots? Oh? God? Who
could watch that? Twenty seven hours long? It really feels
like it. I No one needs to see Mel Gibson

(04:09):
with a ponytail for that? Is he ledger in that? Yeah?
And does he like defect or some ship or what
he killed? He gets kilt and Mel Gibson not too
happy about that really object Yeah, led is the mel

(04:32):
Gibson's wife from Braveheart of the Patriot because like that's
when mel Gibson starts doing the like crazy kid. Yeah,
it is really sad. I remember watching that movie in
the theaters. It was like Braveheart, but America Developers trap

(04:54):
did it come out after Braveheart did? Because my favorite
part of Braveheart is his act. Yeah Scottish. Whatever he's
doing there, yeah, yeah, and it's it's beautiful. I think
at one point he pops his head out of a
buffy uh and then says something along the lines of

(05:18):
the taking my wife. I remember that was like the
cultural significance for a lot of Americans who are like
many generations removed from feeling like they're from another place. Yeah,

(05:40):
suddenly everyone's like, yeah, dude, I'm Scottish because like tiny
ass nation, like Scotland, Dude standing up to like fucking empire. Dude.
You know what I mean? Dude, they can take our lives,
but not our lifted trucks. That was a big That
was a big moment. I feel like for uh dudes

(06:01):
in high school, Oh yeah, middle school, did you paint
in your faces? There's a fine line that's looking like
a warrior and like you've been to a school fate,
what did they do? It's supposed to be blue and white,
but somehow I got a butterfly. Yeah, it's not scary.
For one Halloween, I did a mash up costume where

(06:23):
I was Farrell Williams Wallace, where I wore their big
gass hat like when he was in that Videan Westwood
hat with like blue face paint a killed but like
a babe shirt on top. Not many people understood what
they thought. It was a weird Canadian Mountee was prevailing anyway, Tiff.
We're going to get to know you a little bit

(06:43):
better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners
a couple of things we're talking about today. The Biden
campaign is fully in the I don't really give a
funk what you guys think, Dad phase of the campaign.
They're just like a bit of spite. Yeah, they're mad.
So somebody put it well after the Friday debate that

(07:06):
he seemed to be uh confusing volume for eloquence, like
he started screaming like most of his point. It was Uh,
it was interesting. Uh Trump is now the mainstream media's
consensus pick. It would seem like now that Bernie might
be threatening, it seems like they don't know what to
do with that. Uh, so they're they're getting cozy with

(07:28):
the existing administration. We're gonna talk about the Oscars combination
of getting the right movie and uh some just amazing
philosophical speeches from Hawaki, Phoenix, Brand pitt our leading thinkers
on the left. So we'll we'll talk about that. I
couldn't make it, unfortunately, you could go no lower down

(07:50):
picked up my award. That was nice. That was nice
of her. Um, it looks great though. The word looks fantastic. Yeah,
it's don't that you're wearing around on a chain. All
of that and more of a first tiff. We like
to ask our guest, what is something from your search
history that's revealing about who you are? So in my
search history lobsters, Los lobsters. I'm really trying to get

(08:15):
to the bottom of this Jordan Peterson thing because I've
had a theory about him for a while in that
he's like kind of super Soul Sunday for men, Super
Soul Sunday for men. He's like Oprah for men. Because
all of his sort of quotes have been done by women.
So he's got ones about radical self care, and he's

(08:35):
got stuff like the most important person to take care
of his yourself before you can help the rest of
the world. He also has one where he says, um,
tidy your room, which is basically Marie Condo, right, yeah um.
And then there's one about like gratitude and you know
people died before you, so a little gratitude is in order,

(08:57):
which was sort of a bastardization of a Myra Angelie quote.
So all on your way into a YouTube. Yeah. Yeah.
So I've been kind of looking up to just to
try and get to the bottom of like why so
many people are kind of drawn to this and the
rules for life, and one of the rules is standing
up straight. It is important. That's one of the twelve rules.

(09:21):
And that's somehow linked to lobsters. So I was googling,
what is the lobster thing? He's a labster. I think
it's too I think it's to do with like dominant
male lobster behavior. And then there's a comparison between humans
and lobsters and how the the kind of dominant male

(09:41):
will attract the female because the alpha dogs and like
pack behavior is not it was like too done. So
he was just like, but lobsters. I don't know whether
he's trying to claim that we have similar DNA, but
I don't think we're that similar at all. And he
sort of doesn't mentioned the fact that female lobsters, in

(10:02):
order to track male lobsters, sort of squirt piss out
of their faces with pheromones in it, just like women.
Just like women do. It's just like women and men.
So yeah, so that's why I've be looking up I've
been looking up lobster trying to understand because what's interesting
is that a lot of the ideas have been done
by women. But I don't think the people that want

(10:23):
to hear them, Um, well, would he listened to them
from a woman? Well, he speaks to a very like
toxic kind of thinking. So when you put these these
sort of rules in that could offer somebody some semblance,
I guess that's the hook point. But also it's used
a lot to sort of like you would use a
lot of the things he presents to like say like
that's why racism is okay? Right, Like you know what

(10:46):
I mean. And it's interesting though about what you're saying
of like the thing about if you're already someone who's
not interested in self care or something or like emotional
self care because you look at that as like a snowflake,
like soft woman thing to do. Then suddenly someone kind
of telling you to be self aware. It could be like,
well I didn't think about that, but also fucking tough
alpha and let's preserve Western civilization. Did you see what

(11:11):
is going on with him? Yeah? He was, he was,
well he was he had I think Benzo addiction and
he went to go do like a detox in Russia. Uh,
and then that there were complications with that, and he
is now apparently. The last thing I said is he's
unable to like speak with assistance or stand up straight

(11:31):
without assistance. Yeah, that's that's very sad. And people who
are you know, using this as to point out that
his life philosophy doesn't work. I mean, we've we've had
people on all side suffer from addiction, So I mean,
I don't I don't know that that's quite where we
want to criticize his his thought process, but it just

(11:53):
seems like, well, he was on the card of Ore
diet where he was only drinking beef, salt and water.
Kind now the meat and then something happened, yet some
kind of reaction. I don't know. I mean, obviously I don't.
I don't celebrate anyone's addiction or illness. But if somebody
is doing a really um, you know, wild diet and

(12:15):
has health issues, that is definitely fair game to keep
track of that. Or just the vitriol that comes out
of this dude's mouth, it's funny. It's it's interesting to
see how many people are responding to like what's going
on with him? From like there are people like who
listen to bodega boys who were like, no, man, like
leave Jordan Peterson alone, and I'm like, what the fuck?

(12:37):
And there are other people who are like this guy
is you know, he's your he's your gateway to like
the red pill on the internet. Yeah, what is something
you think is overrated? Overright? It getting fit? Okay? Yeah,
because it sold to us as a good idea, isn't it?
But what if you get so fit that everyone just
wants to have sex with you, like everyone including the

(13:01):
people who work in the gym. Then it's just an
endless round of I'm sorry, I'm washing my hair. Literally
it's full of sweat. Gary, you got bench pressed with
an erection, It'll end in a hernia. You know, I
don't want I don't want to be off putting to
people in my gym. And I also don't want to
be one of those smug people who tweets just heading
in for a body pump sessional, post pictures of myself
on Instagram or videos worst videos of me working out.

(13:23):
I feel like those are hate crimes when I see
those on Instagram, against you, against me personally, when I
see someone like I appreciate the end results, and I
don't mind people kind of going, hey, look, I being
honest about the fact they work to get there. But
I don't want to see the video of you're doing
it right? What is it? What is it about it?
Let's let's unpack that. You see that? Therefore what you

(13:45):
should be there? How dare you? I feel well, I
feel a little bit of guilt. And secondly I'm like,
but it's boring, Like why why do I want to
see you doing pushing? Like pushing? I don't know, It's
just it's it. They all look exactly the same. Yeah,
and the women's ones are always on that leg spreading

(14:05):
machine that's at the gym. You know, the one that
most normal people would avoid. You know, you go, I
can't this man in the gym, I can't sit on
that one that spreads my legs together. I don't know
what that one's called. What is that? The thigh master
machine is what I call it? Right, Yeah, So so
I think this about just like stop unless it's a
funny video, unless you're going to like do something to

(14:27):
undercut it. If this is this serious video, if you
just either as a dude, just but I don't know,
how do you feel when you see hence dudes like
busting out some work I get, I get miss legged
Day for the fifth time. Yeah, I'm like I missed
leg Day for the thirtieth year. Yeah, I don't know.
I think I've gone past the phase where I feel anything. Yeah,

(14:52):
I'm just like yeah whatever. And then I that's usually
when I skip through a story and I'm like, Okay,
this is all just fucking massive gains po right, all right,
Chris Gaines, Let's see those fucking gains. But you know
that's where I'm like, do I have the energy anymore
to to like care? But yeah, personally I used to

(15:12):
just react like aggressively. I'm like, who gives about that? Right?
But you know what, do whatever the funk you want
to do. Yeah, I just don't. It's just not it's
aggressively not for me, you know, but it's not for you. Like,
how do I have a reaculator? Oh? I don't, Okay, Yeah,
but I'm sure that it's inspiring to some people. Right well,
if you Fitzboes, of course, it's one of those portmanteaus

(15:37):
that make me feel ill. It's I think it's if
you are looking to do that, then that might be
a good place that you go. I'll watch yoga with
Adrian videos on YouTube. I don't know, but I think
it's maybe it's people I know personally. Maybe that's more
of a thing as well. I'm like more texture to
it was weirdly intimate to watch you as well, watch

(15:58):
you taking a ship fits your life that I don't
need dizzy. Yeah. I love those posts when people are
filming themselves on this shitter. Yeah? Is there there should
be a whole social media network just for that, because obviously,
right do you. I've done this weird thing now where
I've programmed myself that if I go into the bathroom,

(16:20):
like I can't go unless I'm playing Candy Crush and
I've done something I've programmed, like a loves Dog or whatever. Yeah,
like I've got like yeah, yeah that. I just as
soon as opened the game, I'm like, yeah, now it's time.
So if I pulled this up right now with that
inspire something within they go both ways. Hey you want

(16:43):
to throw Steven Sin for game? Yeah? I love Candy Crush.
I hit the stage. Man. Well, it's weird how much
those things sort of affect you. I don't know if
you've ever seen that video did the Rounds a couple
of years ago, and it sort of came out in
a sort of post me two way as a like
an example of I think power structures. And it was

(17:04):
a video of Jason Alexander playing poker with an actress
whose name Mary. Yeah, it was Celebrity Poker, and she
was in the middle of breastfeeding and he started making
baby noises so she had to quit the game because
she started expressing milk. Have you seen this? He started

(17:28):
making he started going where Mary McCormack. I was going
to say, no, it was Mary something, Mary McCormack, that's right,
and and and and he's making the noises and she
has to quit the game because she's like leaking through
a shirt, and at one point she kind of goes,
I know what you're doing sort of your asshole, but
also it's one of it's very uncomfortable. Yeah, I'm going

(17:50):
to go with uncomfortable. Yeah, that was like, how long
ago did that happen? Was that recently? Because I think
it's a few years ago, because that exact thing happened
in the office when Pam comes back from maternity leave
and Kevin is trying to cry at her breasts to
get her to lactate, and it was just like, dude,

(18:10):
And then to think that's like that was uncomfortable in
the context of a mockumentary, and then to be like, oh,
you're doing this at a charity poker game. Yeah, well,
I think it's it's probably in the moment of playing poker,
you know, I like a game of poker, maybe some
someone's thinking everything's everything's game, everything's fair game. But it's
also someone sort of weaponizing their their own body against them. Yeah. Yeah,

(18:34):
that's not great. I mean that's where I mean, what
what could her move been to just turn the tables
at him? I don't know. Could you just re be like,
I don't give a funk. Yeah right, you're not gonna
throw me off. You want to sit? Yeah, you want
to sip? And what is something you think is under it? Um?
I think underrated? Are acts? Sent names? Yeah? Yeah? So

(18:59):
like actually have AX body spray here and at home
we have links. Yes, I remember being very confused. Is
this brand AX? Yeah? No, it's I don't know if
it's O g X actually guys up with it first.
I don't know. But they are basically the same thing,
And I think they're underrated because they name them things
like mirage and dimension, like they name them things that

(19:25):
make them sound exciting that are in no way anything
like the scent that you're going to smell. That would
be a fascinating, like look behind the curtain of the
process by which they come up with Atlantis black clips?
Is that one of them? Food? I've got some I've

(19:46):
got some alternative names that I think I'm more realistic,
teenage hope, ball, vinegar. I'd like to put that one
at the top of the truck truck stop, Chapstick, sporty sportsman. Oh,
I like that one. Go on old loafer, m Insurance fraud,

(20:12):
wild Rat? Oh, who is that wild rat? Brazilian jiu jitsu?
So Australia is one in two thousand seventeen. Oh, there's
a Lynx Africa. There's Ice Chill, which I guess that's

(20:36):
sounds right. But then Xbox, Yeah, I remember we talked
about that when there was going to be a whole
custom Xbox like gamer centric line. But I think that
was just for the Lynx crowd. It wasn't for the
ax gang. What what is the smell of Xbox? I
don't know, not leaving your house for three? The low
hanging the low hanging fruit version is a gamer thing

(20:59):
or so you're actually being discriminatory and assuming it's for
men because they also have anarchy for her too, which
was to wait for her too? Is the yeah like
to using remanumerals like the Godfather too. Oh that reminds
me of Fabio's fragrance. Did you remember Fabio, the nineties supermodel? Yeah,

(21:25):
got who got hit by a bird? We were just
talking about that. I mean I'm never not talking Yeah,
I mean it stills like guys as far as but
he released a fragrance that was called for her, for him,
for her, for her, for him, for her, Yeah, I
think so. Yeah, I mean that's well, maybe the fragrance

(21:47):
was called something else, but it was underneath it had
for him, for her, for him, for her, for him,
for conde fragrance. Who knows. I mean maybe they could
have just get after Earth because it was so bad.
He's probably lying oiled up on a rock somewhere, still
waiting for someone to photograph him. Yeah, Fabio Lenzoni. What

(22:10):
is a myth? What is something people think it's true?
You know, to be that Piers Morgan is alive? You
can do Apola is dead? For Pierce, Pierce is dead.
I think he's a corpse controlled by some angry man somewhere.
He spends all day coming up with lookewarm meninists, takes
just weekend a burning him around. Yeah, Dabs has some

(22:33):
controller or something. Dabs would also go in that category.
I'm what, what manner of witchcraft is keeping that body
in animated? In animated state? Yeah, it's just just someone
typing away all day going why do fat people exist?
Why are they forcing us to eat vegan sausage rolls?
Who's the day exactly? Like any like? He gets so angry.
Astley Graham I think did a photo shoot for a

(22:56):
magazine and he was like, that's as disgusting. This is
imoting our baste. And you're like, oh, well, then you're
promoting counts right, like your existence. I mean, like, why
do you care? She looks great? Leave alone? Like what's
your problem? Like why does someone else's body have anything
to do with you? So he just relentlessly comes up
with his contrarian and they're not interesting. Well, I guess

(23:18):
when you put your literally put yourself at the center
of the universe, then everything is about or against or
an attack against you somehow, because that's how he always responds.
And please shut the funk up. I mean he speaks
for uninteresting people who have like bad takes, so he yeah, yeah,

(23:39):
and then I think he gave fucking Trump a goddamn
Arsenal kid, which I will never forgive him for as
a gooner. Pierce Morgan is also one of the more
famous supporters of Arsenal football Club, And yeah, that's why
when I saw him give Trump the forty five kit,
I was like, this is absolute dogshit. I mean, not

(23:59):
to mention everything he's done up until then, but oh yeah,
he dips his toe into American politics. Yeah, well all
his balls vinegar smells like his vinegar would be Yeah,

(24:21):
just to have a whole line that's different Conservatives ball vinegar,
Tucker Carlson's ball vinegar like smelling salts. Yeah. I wonder
what that was like. I don't know if we feel like, yeah,
we got time, let's do the next We had insurance forward,
we could always we could have admissions forward as well.

(24:43):
We could admissions fraud will be good. All right, we're
gonna take a quick break and we will be right back,
and we're back. And so the Biden campaign, uh, you know,

(25:07):
Biden came in what did he end up at fourth
in Iowa? Five somewhere somewhere down there. Uh, And it's
looking he's pulling around the same place for New Hampshire
heading into those primaries which are kicking off probably right
about now. As he listened to this, shars and third
cloba schar the cloba clomentum. I think it's a clmentum. Nice,

(25:30):
well done everyone. We had momentum in the UK that
was the labor movements. Oh yeah, how'd that go? Yeah?
Really well, well that's well, will be careful because that's
the exact same talking points they're using to try and
talk down like this far like progressive agendas of like
berniere Elizabethan there. Well that's they're not Corbin and Bernie

(25:51):
on the same I was just saying this on Twitter
the other day. But the techniques used to try and
bring them down off very similar. And the idea is
to so fracture the left beyond disrepair, you know, so
they get us arguing over minute while they coalesced behind
the stuff that they don't like and and and protecting
the status quo. Yeah. So, and that's what happened in

(26:13):
the UK most definitely, there was this real kind of
schism on the left. And yeah, and I mean even
what everyone presumes to be left in America is kind
of quite central arity to the center right. Actually, when
you look at like the policies of a well, we're
Buddha judges trending. I feel like even like Wangwaido of Venezuela,

(26:38):
who the US is propping up, Like when he they
asked him about AOC, he was like, oh, you call
her a socialist. No, in Venezuela, she would be like
a like a social democrat. Yeah, even the guy who
is like, you know, the the US the State Department's
favorite leader of Venezuela is like that ain't left. It's

(27:00):
like this okay, okay, brom being propped up by you guys. Anyway,
the Biden campaign, he he had sort of a weird
weekend where um so he was at a or a
New Hampshire event and he he said something that sounded
like his brain was like just misfiring at rand he's
just been slow. You can tell he's slowly coming to

(27:23):
grips with the fact that the numbers are getting away
from him, you know, like he was when he was
talking about corn pop in the fucking chain, gang fighting
in the fucking parking lot of the the y or
whatever tricks man where you where you keep the razor
blade out in the rain overnight and gets rusty and
you know about that shot, Yeah, you scoundrel. Yeah. So

(27:46):
I guess him saying things that sounds like his brain
is misfiring is not altogether new, but I mean, like
now like he's but he's going from that comfortable confidence
to now just starting to take shots. Like you could
tell when he first got to New Hampshire. After I
it's like I took a real gut shot in Iowa,
and now he's like, you know, took a hit in Iowa,
and I'm probably gonna, you know, probably not gonna do

(28:07):
well here either in New Hampshire because you know, Bernie
like one most of the time, like last year and
like plus like he pretty much like owns this part
of the country because it's like a neighboring senator. It's like,
I'm the point it like he was getting really like yeah.
So then when this college student, this woman asked him
at an event, this her point her. We'll hear his answer,

(28:27):
but her question was, you know, given what we saw
in Iowa and how little support you had there, how
can we still believe that you are the best candidate
to beat Donald Trump? Right, like when your whole thing
is electability, right, and you're not like kind of And
he did not. He did not. I guess apparently he
wasn't looking for a gut shot from the crowd, because
then his answer is very elegant. Number one, I was

(28:51):
a Democratic caucus caucus. No you haven't, your lion dog
faced pony soldier you said you are, but you're now
you gotta be honest. I'm gonna be honest with you lying,
so he said, just in case he couldn't hear that,
he called her a lying, dog faced pony soldier, which
is apparently a line from an old John Wayne movie. Uh,

(29:14):
that's okay, or I've never heard you lying dog face soldier.
I was like when I read that quote, I was like,
that is full Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now, like when
he's like talking about the snail going along the edge
of a razor blade, Like it's it's just like lying
dog face. What I don't know, I called her a

(29:36):
dog faced kremlin like Scott Steiner, Rob Steiner from w CW.
The The woman was like, yeah, I didn't really appreciate that, uh,
coming back from him when I'm just asking a legitimate question,
because his answer is like, what do you know about Iowa? Right, idiot?
It's like, okay, dude, whoa just answer? You know, if

(29:57):
you were if you were actually believed in your campaign
a bit and weren't on like your heels so much,
you might answer it with something a little bit more
like a way to answer that's more on along the
lines of yeah, it looks bad there, but you know
it's we got a lot more states to go, Brett
And yeah, maybe we don't do that well here, but
we said we gotta. We got a few more shots
at this and then I can get gut punched real good.

(30:20):
Get lying dog faced pony soldier. Everyone to refer to
a woman as dog faced in any kind of any
kind or lying or any person, just be like your answers, like, hey,
you liar, um, but you know we're recording the box
he attributed to John Wayne, though it's an actual providence
somewhat unclear, So more on that later. Oh so we

(30:41):
don't even know for sure. I don't think anyone's tracked
it down to an actual movie quote. So oh boy,
but he has used this is good to know. He
has used lying dog face pony soldier before at a
North Dakota rally in uh, saying that his brother up
to use lines from movies. There's a line in the movie,

(31:03):
a John Wayne movie where the Indian chief turns to
John Wayne and says, this is a lying dog face
pony soldier. H So, uh, yeah, that's just not one
necessarily that we want to How are people are really
not finding what they think it's from. I mean, maybe
it's from Pony Soldier. Maybe it's what do you mean

(31:23):
the like where like no one. A lot of people
are having trouble figuring out where the like what that like.
You should just be able to google it and find it.
Some people like I don't know marks for soldier. Uh wow, yeah.
So meanwhile I wanted to It's just funny the questions

(31:44):
about electability and he just attacks the person asking that. Okay, again,
this is the Joe Biden energy of like being the like, ah,
you come at me, I'm gonna come back at you,
you know, like, and there's like something that can be
winning out that in the right context. It's just when
your campaign is spiraling and like your energy feels a

(32:06):
little bit like look at my balance, it can look
a little bit like he's lashing out, which I don't
think he's intentionally lashing out. I just think it's a
bad look for him being chalked up to bounce. Yeah
it is, he was. I think he was trying to banter,
but things are coming through that he does not intend

(32:29):
to convince that Top bands. But it's not a top
top cringe, right, especially when a young college student is
asking you a serious question, Especially when you're hinging your
entire fucking campaign on this idea as to why you
should ignore all these other viable candidates. And then it's
like and that that I don't even understand why. I mean,

(32:49):
I get it. I think his point is about how
the caucus the delegates work or whatever in a caucus state.
But like, right, so Bernie Sanders seems to be becoming
either a front runner in the primaries or the front
runner in the primaries. Uh. And at the same time
that that happened basically last week after you know, as

(33:11):
the results in Iowa were slowly, slowly trickling out, and
even now, like a lot of people aren't accepting the
results as they are, Like a lot of the news
outlets are like, that's what they know, but they're even
like that's what they say. But we're still like, but
that's with errors included, and we've yet to hold off,
which shows you how, yeah, real a real mess. Uh.

(33:32):
And he seems to be pulling at the front of
the pack in New Hampshire. Um. So at the same
time that is happening, Trump got acquitted. So this could
be a total, uh you know, coincidence that those two
things are happening at the same time. But it does
feel like the media is now being more favorable to

(33:54):
Trump as Bernie has become a front runner um and
I think you know that partially this is just the
wind being removed from their sales by the failure of
the impeachment vote. And there's just like not much you
can say other than yeah, I mean they're lying and
he's lying, and they like got away with it. But uh,

(34:14):
you could also argue there should be like more up
in arms about Trump right now because he's been allowed
to cheat at the election and is on like a
revenge mission against the people who spoke honestly about his
campaign's crime because what acts sonland Vinman keeps tweeting this
thing about how he's going to stay in office like
for the next century, which is terrifying because of course

(34:38):
he has like wildly authoritarian autocratic uh tendencies. So it's
just right, it seems like he well like he's trending
in a very scary direction. And the mainstream media like,
we got a CNN piece about how Trump won the week,
and Chris Salizza was like, he got to a for

(35:00):
me for this week? What a what a week for
Trump um and Jason Pargeon, the current editor in chief
at my old website Cracked, pointed out that, you know
his explanation, because I tweeted something about this, his explanations.
The media is always looking for a new narrative. Uh,
And he was like, you know, the election, a lot

(35:21):
of people forget that. It wasn't like a big part
of it was that Trump's an idiot who's going to
lose became an old, tired story. So they were focusing
on every single slip up of Clinton. And because it's
not news to report what we already know, even it's
the even if it's the truth, there's like, I don't know,

(35:42):
it's now more of a story to be like Trump
is a resurgent and maybe Trump is gonna win, and
you know, but I it just seems like there's a
genuine fear of Bernie Sanders, which would make sense to
me given what I have witnessed about people in the mainstream.
It's funny too, because when it looked like Elizabeth Warren

(36:03):
and Bernie were the biggest challengers to Biden, it was
it was they were definitely more comfortable talking about Elizabeth
Warren too, and she came out of Iowa third and
is within the top four in New Hampshire, and it
is vying to come come away with there with some
semblance of of a win. Um. But yeah, it's weird

(36:25):
now that it's just there isn't even the focus there
where they would normally be trying to pick apart maybe
some of her policies. I think because they look at
the polling and are saying, well, this looks like this
is the biggest the biggest probability is that Bernie Sanders
ends up with the nomination. I guess we'll just focus
on this very myopically, just you know, the takes are

(36:48):
really they are weird, you know, from like it's it's
odd to say that him that Trump getting away with
crimes is a good week for him. That's not that's
not a proper plus for Trumps for the country. Yeah,
not a proper analysis of like what happens there, at
least from a journalistic standpoint. And then now like you

(37:09):
know it happened. You could see how the it was
getting starting to get shaky. When Mina Turner called Mike
Bloomberg and Oligarch and like they were like, well, hold on,
hold on, let's there was a lot of outrage, at
least from the pundit she was directly talking to. But
even then it became a talking point, like at least
on MSNBC and CNN, where they'd be like, can you
believe they called Mike Bloomberg and oligarch. It's like, yeah,

(37:31):
he fucking is. Let's be real here, because he was
offering to buy Instagram influences and well, this was just
this was more just born out of his like his
ability to just buy into this campaign with no grassroots
trying to buy the president's Yeah, and he's just just
completely saturating the airwaves with his name to buy name recognition.

(37:52):
And they're like, this is completely counter This is like
antithetical to the whole vibe of like what a lot
of these other campaigns are about. It's like, we're out
here at the behest of billionaires. We're here to involve
working people to create a movement to try and change things.
And they're like, I don't know, man like to call him.
I mean, he was a guy who made a lot
of money and that makes him an oligarch. It's like, yeah,

(38:13):
I'm I'm assuming on his way to accumulating billions. He
made some enemies along the way. I'm sure there are
people who may have worked for him were like, yeah,
I don't like I don't like what Mike Bloomberg did
for companies I was working with, etcetera. And I think
this idea, I think what we were talking about is
that introduces this vocabulary of like class consciousness that the

(38:33):
that the media tries not to really get into too much,
but it's better to make it around the race. Well,
Bernie has said that billionaire shouldn't exist, so that's then
going into that narrative is yeah, of people immediately, so
you want to punish success and like no, no, no, no,
there can be millionaires, there shouldn't be billionaires, and that
one should have that much power. I think I think

(38:54):
it was after I tweeted what I tweeted there this
clip from the Chris math You show came up where
he just melted down on CNN or on MSNBC, where
it was it was kind of like a little crack
in the facade where it was like, oh, there, maybe
their opposition to all this and their terror in the

(39:16):
face of Bernie is motivated by some really like deeply
held emotional based, emotionally based fears. And so let's let's
hear Chris Matthews talking about Bernie Sanders. I have my
own views of the word shows. Let's and I'll be
glad to tell them, share them with you in private,
and they go back to the early nineteen fifties. I

(39:37):
have an attitude about them. I remember the Cold War.
I have an attitude towards cash Stro. I believe that
cash Stro and the and the and the Red Side
won the Cold War. There executions in central parks, and
I might have been one of the ones getting executed,
and certain other people would be there cheering. Okay, so
I have a problem with people who took the other side.
I don't know who Bernie Bernie supports over these years.

(39:58):
I don't know what he means by so one week
it's Denmark. We're gonna be like denmok Okay, that's harmless.
That's a that's basically a capitalist country with a lot
of good social welfare programs. Denmark has Ham is pretty
clearly on the Denmark agory. Yeah you sure, How do
you know that that? Well? I mean, that's what he says,
and that's what is the genderles for right now, he's
not calling for a let's figure that one out. But

(40:20):
we haven't seen a campaign yet where video of him
praising the other version has been used. Well, but that's
will be used. That's a question place what the fact
that hasn't What does he think of Castro? That's a
great question. What did you think of Fetale? At least
moment we all thought he was great when he first
I couldn't here like many first in came the Communist
and started shooting every one of his enemies. Okay, Chris,

(40:46):
Chris Hayes is really trying to be like okay, okay, okay, guy.
I mean, if you look at everything he said and
repeated over and over for the last ten years like
this is it's more of the Denmark thing, and uh,
Chris Matthews was was not having that. It's like Denmark, Denmark.

(41:09):
It's really odd, you know what I mean? And I
don't know, you know, I I understand at a certain
generation people were raised with this like just fear of
the Communism coming to get you. But like even then,
you think Chris Matthews could be somewhat objective enough to

(41:29):
say is the words he's using saying oh, this is
going to lead to mass executions or public executions in
Central pack really, And the fact that he said I
have my own thoughts that I'll share with you in private,
but then went on to share them like that suggests
to me that like this is kind of like this

(41:50):
is the sort of thing where he was, you know,
drink or something and like just let slip like what
he thinks we're all thinking. Because I mean that's the
thing is that America is still run by like a
lot a lot of these like massive corporations that are
you know, incredibly powerful, and you know, including the ones

(42:13):
that own and run media outfits, are run by passively racist,
rich white dudes who are you know, almost like in oligarchy, right,
and they're scared of Sanders, like I think, I think
they would prefer like Trump's policies. Don't like the things

(42:35):
that Trump does don't affect them in a negative way,
so like not there on their day to day existence.
So especially if you're insulated by your class or like
wherever you are socially, Yeah, like it it would take
a lot of empathy from somebody who has been has
had all the material comforts for the last twenty however
many years I know Chris Matthews has been on the

(42:56):
air for a long time that like, yeah, you maybe
get fired up about what it's doing to like your
historical idea of the country and how it's bad for that.
But then there, I think this is the difference and
how the pundits look at it. There there there are
also people who are looking at the way the country
is being rounded, like, no, I could become a victim
of this system. I'm only you know, a lot of

(43:17):
people say like I forget who it was, but saying like,
most people are three bad months away from becoming homeless,
and not many people are three good months away from
being a millionaire. And that's like the and I think
on some level, if you've already got your house paid for,
you can do like as much as you want. It's
a lot harder to be objective, or at least it's

(43:37):
probably abstract to you. What does what the struggle is
of somebody who might not have the same means as
you are. And that's really what this this whole ship
is about. It's about being like, can you be in
a place where you have all your material comforts, you
have all this support or infrastructure around you just thrive,
but also recognize that people do not, and you want
to make the system more equitable because it should just

(44:00):
be you. It's like, well I got mine, funk everybody else,
And that's the that seems to be the prevailing mentality
of a lot of these people. They just don't they
would never put it in those words because they would
recognize that that's not nice. I don't see them. I
don't see Chris Matthews saying like this is what we
need to do to help you know, the people of
where any given community. It's just more about like, this

(44:20):
is my opinion on this person. This is my opinion
on this person. I think that's where there, This is
where the appeal is of us of a Sanders or
Warran campaign, because there again they're diagnosing what the root
causes of your discomfort in terms of what your existence
is in this country. And is there a bootstrap narrative
as well that if people came from like hardship early on,

(44:41):
they're like, well I got myself out of it, so
you should be. That's that's all Like America is like
all assumptions are built on that assumption. In America, everyone's like,
oh yeah, but we can all succeed, like just on
our own terms, like if we just not true, if
we just work hard enough, if they were locking and
we we referred to a odd maxim that is already

(45:01):
pointing out the absurdity in and of itself of the
phrase pull yourself up by the bootstraps. But I think
that that run by Chris Matthews there is going to
be important to keep in mind as the primary progresses.
Like Crystalisma was like wrote it in his article where
he was like eight things that made this Trump's week
in Washington. Uh he said that, Like he was like yeah,

(45:25):
and you know, Democrats who aren't Sanders followers think he's
the worst candidate to defeat Trump, which is like something
that only people who are specifically part of other campaigns
would say. Yankees fans think the Red Sox should not
win a World Series, right, okay, uh huh um. Anyway,

(45:47):
it's just really you hope again that, like you, that
these things could be brought into the frame, especially from
the mass media about what is going on these elections,
because it's much easier to just do the narrative. You know,
what's the fucking narrative? Arc of this campaign, rather than like,
what are the existential threats to people that we need

(46:08):
to be talking about that we as immediate could say,
did you know that this company hasn't been paying their
taxes and what that money could do? Why aren't we
why aren't we examining this as a culture as a society.
Do you think healthcare is the number the number one,
the start and end of it that all the other
problems or is the problems as opposed to the symptoms
for how many people end up in situations because they

(46:30):
can't afford healthcare? Well, I mean yeah, I'd say for
most people that is probably the most broad touching everybody
in the country is your healthcare on some level. So yeah,
I think the student debt and like housing things also
have a dimension to it. But also that the housing
can come out of of problems with your health. So
when you see homeless people and you say, oh, there's

(46:51):
people there who are clearly mentally or who aren't supported,
or have a disability, or have lost a limb or
a vets, or you know that that that they're not
being being supported in the same way that we have
an NHS which is being dismantled at home at the
Americans auctioned off to you guys, someone here own dob
blood and then it got sold to China so our

(47:12):
blood plasma supplies, which is all fairly terrifying. But I
do think that that's the I guess that's the key issue,
isn't it. It's whether whether you're going to have healthcare
or whatever version of that is. Is it Medicare now
for everyone, or you know, an extension of what Obamacare was.
I'm not quite sure how that. I feel like that's
the thing. I think it begins and ends with saying

(47:32):
we're going to support you. If you did a poll
of people who said, if medical debt wasn't a concern
for you, how much would that free you up emotionally
mentally to put your attention and focus on other aspects
of your life. I think most people would say, wait,
medical medical costs aren't something i'd have to think about.

(47:52):
And again it's and everyone always talks about this. It's
just a uniquely American problem because it's our system is
a set up to fucking explore our own people and
then blame them when they can't play the game anymore.
They're they're putting people in jail in Kansas because they
they've defaulted or can't pay their medical debt. Yeah, you
will go to So this is like and that's the thing,

(48:13):
Like I wish they would take more time to really
examine that, Like that's the ethos here. It's like, oh,
you can't pay, well, you got to go to jail.
And the way that Medicare for All is being pitched
to Americans by the mainstream media is like, are are
you in favor of a system that would kick you
off your existing insurance? It's like that that implies that

(48:34):
you don't have insurance. On the other side of that equation,
they're just like kicked off and made defend for yourself
and the people to have the employer provided insurance. And
most people probably complain about their insurance to begin with.
Don't you want to keep that? They're like, we have
that in the UK as well. You can have that
as well as the you can have Booper or whatever

(48:55):
it's called, which is private healthcare. There's lots of companies
that offer that. But then there is the basic system
which everyone can still access and get to. So you know,
if you're diagnosed with a life threatening illness, you are
able to receive treatment whether you can afford it or not.
That's a supporting concept. But that's a supporting that's a

(49:16):
society that believes that we should help, you know, and
like I said, I think we're rapidly losing this, especially
with the Conservative government, that we haven't at the moment.
But it says we should support the most vulnerable in
our society and help them, and that you know, if
you earn a lot of money, you pay a little
bit more than someone who doesn't earn as much. And

(49:37):
that's you know, we try, and that's you know, the aim.
That's just not the that's just not really written in
stone in this country from the beginning. It's not it's like, sure,
come over man, like you're getting threatened, Yeah, we'll take
you in. But it's never like we must take care
of each other, because that's the that's the real sentiment
in this country, like everyone deserves to live with dignity.

(49:59):
It's oh how much fucking money you got? That to
me is the probably you could apply. That's saying to
most problems that we have. And I think that's really
why I think there's there's something to these candidates who
are trying to realign the ship a little bit. That's
appealing to people because they realize, like, yeah, like we're
not even like we can't even actually you couldn't actually

(50:20):
say it's Americans, Like, yes, this country is all about
treating every single person who happens to be a citizen here,
or even if you're an undocumented person, just we believe
people that are within these borders should be taken care
of so they can live. And they can't even do
that for the people they send into parts of the
world to get oil or whatever. And we and we're
not doing we're not even doing the basics for our

(50:41):
soldiers where we even pretend or the media or politicians
pretend they're so important, they're still deployed as you know,
props in a State of the Union address or or
or ran out on a rail from the White House
because they they dared to speak against the president. All Right,
we're gonna take a quick rake. We'll be back with

(51:01):
coverage of the oscars. And we're back. Uh. The oscars
happened on Sunday night. Did you guys watch? I followed

(51:21):
it on on Twitter. I I didn't watch. I did
see when at a at a bar that I saw
one uh long juneho one Best Director, and then I said, okay,
so I think it's going. I think it's going Okay, Yeah,
parasite cleaned up. Uh that was great to see. I
feel like this is sort of part of the realignment

(51:44):
of Academy voters, or you know, the attempts by the
Academy to include a more diverse and younger voters so
that we don't always just have movies made for uh
old people in Hollywood winning every year. Uh. And yeah,

(52:04):
I mean just obviously my opinion, I thought it was
the best movie, and yeah, they gave it to the
best movie. That was cool. On the other hand, speech
was cool as well. Did you see that she thanked
her parents and that was it was cute. Yeah, her

(52:24):
mom was there crying. Yeah, she sort of said a
thing of like, never meet your heroes, but if you're
really blessed, you're lucky enough to be born, Uh you
know that you're lucky enough that they're your parents. And
then she gave a shout out to Diane Ladden and
Bruce down which was quite cute. Yeah. Yeah, there were
a lot of actually really nice moments. I had like
one eye on I was at an Oscar party that

(52:47):
involved kids, so you know, I had a three year
old and a one year old running around, and H
didn't really I was I was like watching out of
the corner of my eye. There were some really nice moments.
Kids love the Oscar, yeah exactly. And they love they
love like love stories and narratives around class struggle. Yeah exactly.
My son was super excited. My one year old was

(53:09):
super pumped the Parasite wants my So. My father in law,
who was born in South Korea, had never been to
a movie in the United States, a movie theater, like
in his entire time living here over forty years, and
we went to see Parasite on Thanksgiving. So now I
look super smart because the one I took him to

(53:30):
his first movie and it was Parasite, which ends up
being a claimed South Korean movie and the history of
a season tuggle war. And he was like, Hey, let's
go check this movie out. It's like, you know, I
haven't been to a movie in forty years. He's just like,
you know, he's uh, he wasn't super eager to go,
but uh, my wife and I kind of got him
to go, and we're like, come, on, it'll be fun

(53:52):
to all go together to see this movie that's supposed
to be really good Low and Behold. So I take
at least partial credit it for that one. On the
other hand, and this is probably overblown and part of
having a you know, right leaning mainstream media, but uh,

(54:12):
as someone who champions progressive values, having like Joakin Phoenix
get up and give a rambling, eight minute long speech
where he equates racism and social ills with taking milk
from cows and splitting up cow families. Was I just like,
don't I don't know. We're still struggling with the fallout

(54:35):
from that being done to humans by people in the
United States, and now I think of the animals first, right,
And I don't know, Like he just kind of touched
on the social stuff and then spent a paragraph talking about, uh,
you know, poor treatment of cows, and it's just he
sounds like me a new material night, just scratch out

(54:58):
some ideas on the back of yeah, on the back
of a beer matt And that's what what if I
do something about that? And that'll if I get a laugh,
I'll work Cow milk isn't even as good as human
milk anyway, Getting the light. But I do think it's
it's it's hard, isn't it because at those awards things

(55:20):
that you do think most people are home watching. Just go,
I don't want to ted talk. Just take the award
as people yeah, from from from what they see, Red
Pit opened with like like yeah, his heart was in
the right place. He was like you know, they told
me I could only talk for forty five seconds, which
is forty five more seconds than the Republicans allowed John

(55:41):
Bolton to speak. And it was just like yeah, it
was like that's a that's a good thing to be
mad about. But it's also just like, I don't know,
it's so there's something that just feels like these are
not the people that should be out there speaking on
behalf of progressive values. Look, if you're gonna, if you
want to look, whatever you do with your time, that's

(56:03):
your prerogative. Obvious there, it's totally there. That's if that
if he likes the animal, I mean not to say
that those aren't important, but I think that's your time.
I guess, you know, virtue signal. Let everybody know what
you're talking about, but like to take their time to
point out the John Bolton in the impeachment thing shows
you at what elevation you're looking at the problems, right,

(56:27):
because if you go deeper than that, you might say
something about you know, maybe Flint, Michigan, or all the
homeless people that you pass on a daily basis in
the city you live in, something like that, and I
think that's where you start. It's like, bro, that was
like a two week old take. Also, well, the the
he also did a choke that was the Golden Globes

(56:47):
about to Leah about there was room for you on
the door, and I was like, oh my god, every
stand up when the film came out there on the
door in Titanic, right, yeah, yeah, that joke. But but
also I do think I don't have a problem. I
think if you've got a platform, you should use it.

(57:07):
But what I'm keen on is put demonstrative overperformative. So
if you talk the talk, you better walk the walk
as well, because I think that's what pisces people off
if they feel like someone's lecturing them, going I'm better
than you and you should care about this, and then
they go, how did you get here? Did you fly
on a private jet? Did you how much money did

(57:27):
you spend on X this month, or like this kind
of idea of moral top trumping, which we can all
engage in to some degree, but you know, personal responsibility
versus social responsibility. You know, that's when when I think
when people at home watch that, and you know, Ricky
Jervais kind of said it didn't he at the at
the Golden Globes, which is just get up, thank you

(57:49):
God or whoever else it is, and your agent and
then get off, because I don't know if this is
the you know. But but then also I believe that
storytelling is important and is a way of highlighting all
of these issues. And yeah, it's tough because people are
sort of dancing near the edges of what could be good,
so it's hard to define it. It's in the vicinity,

(58:12):
but there's something quite not connecting fully with those moments.
And then he also slid in a thing about cancel culture,
like we're better when we come together, not like criticize
and cancel each other, and that got a lot of
right wing media on his side. Washington Examiner Joachein Phoenix

(58:34):
was right about cancel culture. The federalist cows aside. Joaquin
Phoenix made a strong argument against Cancel National Review Joakin
Phoenix criticizes cancel Culture and Oscar's acceptance speech, and it's
just like, yeah, I mean, he has reasons to be
afraid of cancel culture based on that his behavior with

(58:58):
Casey affleck on U on the set of that movie
I'm not here or whatever. But don't most people feel
like that, like the idea of like giving him some
kind of badge because he said that. I think a
lot of people are like, Okay, well, you know, it's
better to allow people to recover from mistakes. However, you know,

(59:21):
we I think we talked about this last time I
was on the show. Repeatedly and consciously doing shit or
saying horrible things is with intention is one thing? Actually
yeah yeah, but you know someone sucking up and then
learning from that is you know, that's the way. But
I think or else we start just cornering off into

(59:44):
just like you know, people who don't give a fuck
and will continue to give a fuck less to the
point of like that it becomes catastrophic people who do.
I mean, there is yes, I think there is something
to be examined a bit with cancel culture, with like
sort of hard canceling people and be like you're you're
you're off to the refuse pile or whatever. But also
just like even when you think about this like an election, right,

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you can't just be if you voted for Trump, like
we can't look after look out for those people are
trying and bring those people into a movement, because I
think that's where, you know, all this power moves very fluidly,
and when you start putting very rigid barriers down, that
can affect that that flow, that fluid motion of things.
Not to say that you go like oh, hey, like violent,

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uh you know, hate crime, serial killer, like you you're
really sorry. Okay, maybe we can like you know, make
you can run a child daycare now or something. But
I think there's still has to be there. People have
to think though too, you know, like there have been
times where I've had an opinion on something not even
like as you know, high Stakes is like a political

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ideology maybe just like on a fucking puka shell necklace
where I'm like, I ain't changing my necklace because everyone
says it looks stupid, and then people start telling you, man,
it looks fucking stupid. And then I know people who
still wear a fucking puka shell necklace, because they've been
so like they've been so polarized here that they're like
the second I take this off, the fucking win. Yeah.

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And it can't always be like that. It could be like,
you know, you can take it off, and we can.
We just took it off. Nuance, isn't it? And I
feel like nuance is so important within all of these
if we make it's just yeah, it's but it's I
think they're my My overall point is just that we
have a bunch of rich white centrists slash conservatives who

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claim to be liberals, who are all best friends with millionaires,
and they are like the public faces of progressive values.
We have this story about how Barnes and nobles tribute
to Black History Month was to redesign the covers of
classic novels to make the protagonists from those novels black, like,

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basically putting their characters from literature and blackface. Not living
up to the second part of that night right, the
opposite of Emma Emma with a with an African American
woman as Emma. Wow, yeah, Moby Dick. Well. Their whole
the whole reasoning was that it's like, well, none of
the protagonists in these books are explicitly like defined by

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who they are. But it's like have you read Emma,
you know where they are, right, there's no black people there.
But if I'm okay, I'm in what England? Okay, I
don't think so. Otherwise it's a that would be a
trippy ask book where you have to write those details in.
That's just so disingenuous that there's like, well it doesn't
say like exclusively, but you know, like if they wanted

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to highlight diversity and literature, they could have I don't know,
highlighted some authors of color. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But it's
just it seems like the same thing where I don't
know more and more like I'm seeing seeing people's frustration
with the mainstream media and instream culture and even like Hollywood.

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Uh and you know, understanding the frustrate it was there
not one person though who when that was pitch went
or that means you don't have anyone working there. Well
of the publishing industry is white. Yeah, so by those numbers,
and you know when you even look if you look

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at even how like the studios we talked about this
last week of how they breaks down demographically like at
the highest levels of the studios, it's like white and mail,
So you're not going to get a lot of dissenting
opinions in there, and the ones that are, I don't
know how well they operate in an ecosystem like that,
um if they're you know, if they're just ran out
or whatever. One thing that is interesting though about uh

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Parasite is just how you know, the whole thing has
brought capitalism into like interview, and that's interesting to see
that even the vote there, there was something about the
film that spoke to people. Obviously it's a great film,
but I think it speaks to it there's something that
people are starting to connect like huh, yeah, this is weird.
And also Bong Juno himself was saying like, no matter

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what country he went to, the answer is about like
how people are receiving him film were the same of
sort of like what's this system doing to us? You know?
And it's funny when you see like the there's a
article from what is it Real Clear Markets. Definitely they're
saying Bong June Hoo's Parasite is overrated, implausible, class struggle, nonsense,

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and that's when you see him like oh, who are
the people who have takes on this and what are
the takes about? And they're like that that that that
that don't start, don't start, you know, getting these people
pumped up on like how the how the power? I mean,
this is kind of my struggle. This is kind of
my frustration. Is my struggle, Well, this is my frustration
is that, like the Drudge Reports headline is we're all

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parasites exclamation point politics dominates oscars under a picture of
Joaquin Phoenix. So there's very elegant, uh, you know, the
thing that's going to be a timeless work of art
criticizing you know, capitalism gets lumped in with these very
clumsy ass like dumb statements from Joaquin Phoenix, and it's

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just like, I don't know, it just frustrates me that, well,
it's done so brilliantly in the film, isn't it, Because
it's done, it's done with the story, but it's done visually,
the layers of who's on top and who's underneath. Yeah,
there's this beautiful you know, you can kind of see
how many steps they have to go down even to
get like with how the trains set up people, what's

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at the front of the train, in the back of
the back of the train. But it's done, it's done
on so many it's affecting in so many ways, and
it says so, I don't know how it manages to
do that in one film, because it's the fact that
the guy who has been spoiler alert, like one of
one of the people who represents, you know, the lower

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part of that equation is views the person, the rich
guy who lives in the house as like this hero.
I think it's like such a nuanced but like brilliant
and like true it's like, oh, class solidays with the
ruling class. Yeah, so yeah, those in the middle because
then because you realize that the family that you think
of the worst off aren't. Actually this is a spoiler,

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but I wanted to say, there's a beautiful bit in
that um where the dad says, you don't make plans
because if you make plans, they never work out anyway. Like, yeah,
it's a it's a it's a piece of art and
it's but it's also brilliantly entertaining and so funny. I
didn't expect it to be as funny as it was. Yeah, absolutely,

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but I can see how there would be people out
there who are fearful of what the film is saying
to protect their states and the director, I think it
was one of the filmmakers for that American uh Factory.
What was the what was the movie The American Factory
right the that net is a Netflix documentary. When she
said workers of the world unite, like from the Communist Manifesto,

(01:07:15):
people were like the Daily Callers like Oscar Winner quotes
Communist Manifesto. It's like, even though that film, I think
some people were a little maybe a little critical of
how it's sort of both sides ng the sort of
dynamics between the factory owners and the workers was still
was enough there for people to start of be like, WHOA,
that's kind of fucked up. Um, but yeah, it's it

(01:07:38):
seemed to be a theme uh people are I don't know,
looking at looking at these films and what they offer
us in terms of insights. Well, Tiff, it's been a
pleasure having you. Where can people find you? Follow? You
can follow me on I'm still trying to get the
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(01:08:01):
Tiff Stevenson Comic and then on Twitter, Tiff Stevenson. Also,
my website hasn't been updated since Brexit, but finally, finally,
I'm updating all of that. So Tiff Stevenson dot co
dot uk. And is there a tweet or some other
work of social media you've been enjoying. Yes, one of

(01:08:21):
Alice Phraser's tweets my occasional bugle co host and tea
with Alice, and she she tweeted, Okay, make out on
the tube? Sure, just don't make out on a peak
hour tube. Everyone's touching everyone else, so we're all part
of a party. We didn't as repeat, I've never seen

(01:08:43):
that happen. Does that happen sometimes? What people making out
on the tube during rush hour? Oh yeah, like people
do it anytime all time. Rush hour is also when
you get unconsensual kind of erections pressed intire back and
stuff on the on the old in the ground. Yeah.
I just like the meat heads that let out like

(01:09:04):
late at night when you're on the tube, and I'm
always like, okay, these guys are like three songs away
from just fighting each other on the Oh yeah, yeah,
the buff guys on the tube. It's sometimes enter tightening,
sometimes terrifying miles where you can people find you. You
can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of

(01:09:24):
Gray and also on my other show, For Fiance. There
will be a new episode tomorrow because the show came back.
We had to skip a week because the producers of
Day Fiance they didn't want to go toe to toe
with the Super Bowl cowards. Um and a tweet that
I like. This one's from a partner on Charlie says,
It's funny how you make one bad decision and then
suddenly you're on a roll like we this is where

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I live. Uh. You can find me on Twitter at
Jack underscore. O'Brien tweet. I was enjoying. I was enjoying
a series from Chill See Pretty during the Oscars where
she just kept commenting on like the photographs of men

(01:10:07):
arriving on the red carpet and identical looking tuxedos. It's
like Alfie Allen wore head to toe uh to the
Academy Awards that tree things like, uh, insanely fab and
absolutely worth the risk he took exclavation excavation. I know,

(01:10:28):
Oh wow, he did it take some risks, cowards. You
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as well as the song we write out on Wow
what is that going to be today? Uh, this is
gonna be a bit of a throwback to the year
two thousand and nine. Uh, young man named Hudson Mohawkers
for an album called Butter and I was just you know,
d J Dannie and I were reminiscing about this album.

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It really pushed a lot of instrumental beat maker albums forward.
It was a very future looking album. And this, uh
is one of my favorite songs on They're called Twist
Clip Loop. It's the short song, but it's just got
I don't know this. Check check out this whole album.
It's it's it's something else. It still holds up if
you like the B style stuff and if you're twisted,

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if you're twisted or you like Scottish producers. Yeah, uh. Well.
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