Talking Aliens With An Astrophysicist, Front Door Nudity With a Delivery Driver 06.06.23

In episode 1496, Jack and Miles are joined by theoretical physicist, Avi Loeb, to discuss Aliens/UAPs..., A Cocaine Bald Eagle Story, Zeitgang Listener Interview and more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety, episode
one of Daily Day production of My Heart Radio. This
is a podcast where we take a deep dive into
america share consciousness. And it is Tuesday, June sixth, twenty
twenty three.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh, my name's Jack O'Brien. Wait, I'm thrilled to be
just gloss over the day, Jack. Yeah, oh shit, I
am almost National yo yo day, freak. It's National iewear Day,
It's World Past Day, It's D Day quite literally June sixth,
nineteen forty four, land in Normandy, National Guardening Exercise Day.

(00:38):
I don't know what that is. National Apple Sauce Cake Day,
a National Driving Movie Day, Apple Sauce Cake Show. I
wear day on the day after or is it the
day that Apple introduces their big Oh ohpak, I am
just happened. Yeah, may have just happened.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
My name is Jack O'Brien aka Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm
thrilled to be joined as always by my co host
mister Miles Great.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Miles Gray, Gay Miles Morales, but the older Blazian one
who's in the middle aged. Okay, I just saw the
Spider Man movie. This weekends fantastic. Yeah, yeah, all right, Miles,
we did it.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
We broke the damn format for the first time in
the history of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
We are doing a new publication schedule.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
You are listening to the first full episode of the
week on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
We've scaled back to a mere eight episodes this week,
they meager eight episode.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
We've scaled back to a meager eight episodes, and we're
trying some new episode formats and this is one of them.
We're going to talk to some listeners today. We're going
to talk to an astrophysicist. In that order ye going
to talk to We're going from high to low.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
That's right, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
So basically the idea is we, you know, spent one
thy five hundred dish episodes talking to me.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Really fifteen that long? I mean, it's been that long.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's been it's been a lot, but we've been talking
to I'm sorry, Is it weird to you that it
that it disturbs or it's I mean, I find it
weird that it's kind of kind of disturbing.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
That we've done that many episodes. I'd be like, and Jack,
we've done it. We've done so many I'm like, what
I feel like Uma Thurman and kill Bill when she's
like looking at like the lines on her hands to
figure out how long she's been in a coma, right, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
And I also find it disturbing how hard it is
for me to do this other format revolting. Yo, I'm like,
where's the comedy guest ZiT gang?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Let me tell y'all. This is like every human being,
when you get used to doing things a certain way,
it's very very hard to do something new. And like
the whole time, I was like, but this is what
is this? Do I know how to talk on a
microphone if I'm not yelling footnotes in the same way
every day. But it's working out. It's working it is, And.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Big shout out to super producer Justin, superducer Brian, all
the supers producers because it's a it's a little bit
of a heavier lift, and we're still figuring it out
as we go, but we're very excited about the two
conversations we had for this episode. Yesterday was kind of
more of a trending episode, catch up on all the

(03:18):
stuff we missed over the weekend. Uh, And this episode
we're talking to different people, people who aren't you know,
the normal comedians or guests that we normally speak to
other podcasters other podcasters.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
So we're doing we're doing kind of a mixed expert
and mail bag episode in this first episode to kind
of give you, guys an idea of the different directions
that these episodes can take. So with that in mind,
we are going to give you a sample of what
we asked you, guys, Hey, what's something interesting about your job? Like,

(03:54):
what are What's something you learn in your job with
something people don't understand about your job? What you know,
just craziest thing you ever saw? And you, guys did
not disappoint. We got some amazing answers, and so we're
going to be sharing those with you and having a
few of you on in the coming weeks. But I
do we we got one answer that we just have
to have to share with people. Yeah, you're up top. Yeah,

(04:18):
so we said a message, hit us up on Discord,
on Instagram, wherever, wherever we're at, at us, d m
us whatever, but tell us some wild things about your work.
And I'm just gonna this story. This is like one
of the first messages I got on Discord. This is
from We'll just call this person. And I was just
saying I would like to stay anonymous always, so maybe

(04:39):
I should. But we'll just call this person the doctor
and say, I'm just gonna read their their their their
DMA said, I'm in a pretty niche field. So I'm
a veterinary pathologist. Basically means I did extra board certification
after vet school. Veterinary pathologists equals autopsies on animals to
figure out why the animal died, and biopsies to diagnose

(04:59):
your dog's cancer, such, et cetera. So detective basically, So
for simplicity steak, simplicity steak, Actually for simplicity's sake, Yes,
I guess CSI slash medical mysteries for animals. But wait, wait,
I get even more niche. I specifically sub specialized in
wildlife veterinary pathology, gnarly stuff, but I'm interested in conservation
and emerging infectious diseases. So somehow I want to try

(05:21):
to make a difference in the world. This way a
voice for the voiceless and such anyways weirdest case because
again we're saying, what's the weirdest or wildest thing that happened.
So this veterinary pathologist says. Weirdest case during my residency
came at the Wildlife Diagnostic Center I was at. I
get three bald eagles delivered to me in trash bags
found at a landfill. I opened the first bag and poof,

(05:43):
cloud of white smoke billows into my face. Couldn't help
but sniff a bit more. All three egles were covered
in this white powder that kind of smelled chemically to me,
almost like pool cleaner. I'm taking really good whiffs of
the stuff. Can't stop myself. No other interesting findings for
any of the three eagles in terms of cause of death,
but we always look at the organs microscopically too. I'm

(06:05):
totally vibing out while performing autopsies on these birds. I
have some music playing. It's a Friday afternoon, and things
are great. If anything, I'm wired. I thankfully thought ahead
and collected some vials of the white powder to submit
for toxicology testing. I was super productive and the crop
seed like five other animals that afternoon. Three weeks later

(06:25):
we get the tox reports back. Cocaine. I'm kind of
a tweedy in terms of anything beyond weed, So my
first and only time doing cocaine has been off of
dead bald eagles. You could say MRCA changes that I
signed microscopically, and these three eagles were nonspecific but technically
could be attributed to a cocaine overdose. I guess someone
had a hideout spot in the landfill and some poor

(06:47):
eagles weren't there for a long time, but a good time,
all right, pe So shout out to that was. That
was one of the first things we read, being like this,
what I don't have stories like this? Yes, yes, please
more of that, Daddy. That was so good. Bald eagles
coked like cocaine covered bald eagles and trash bags like

(07:11):
I never even thought of that as like a like
I feel like an AI couldn't have even like generated
such a visual than this first story.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
So and people are hiding cocaine in landfills. They're like
burying their cocaine and landfill former interesting to me, the
former street.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Chemist in me is like, what are you what? Maybe
threw away a bunch of cocaine. I wonder if it's
like cocaine bear like cocaine eagle, like maybe like yeah,
maybe someone threw a fucking bail out and like you
hit a nest or some shit. I don't know. I
don't know, but anyway, those are the kinds of stories
that we have been getting and we want to continue

(07:49):
to get from you all, So please keep writing in
because as we go through these are like, oh yes, yes, yes,
we're gonna talk to this person because yeah, you all
do such fascinating things. And all I do is sit
down and smoke weed and talk to a microphone.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
So an incredibly high bar set from that person literally
figuratively amazing work. So we're going to take a quick
break and when we come back, we're going to actually
call all a phone on the telephone who sent in,
you know, let us know some interesting things about their

(08:23):
job as a pizza delivery man that we had some
follow up questions for their description of what was happening
when they're delivering pizzas. So we are going to be
right back and we will talk to Hugo Boss on
the discord.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Hello, you go, Hugo bos What gentlemen, I'm just gon
do this like I do every phone call in a
professional setting and open it up with.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Man.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
So we're here with Hugo Bosk. I'll get the discord
from the Discord. Also, I'm guessed, like I've said before,
I think when we referenced your name from AKA, that
you're referencing the bounty hunter. Correct.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
I am, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Jack, you know all about Bosk. Correct.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
I mean, I wouldn't call myself a boss expert, but
I definitely I'm a Star Wars fan for sure.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I'm sorry I was. I was shaming our other Star
Wars expert Jack just now asking a lot about just learning.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
I'm like going through a crash course, but your your
name when you did a AKA actually brought up, like
my my lack of knowledge of Star Wars and how
I'm cramming to try to just keep.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Up in my damn household. People don't know what a
trandoshan is. Jack, That's the thing. They look like the
little lizard headed people. Anyway, all that to say, here
we are our first Zeit gang and like worker interview.
What have we even calling this? Jack? Yeah, Worker interviews,
zite gang?

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I think is it those where to take a whiz y'all?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:18):
And you know, we we had some people who worked
for certain we're gonna, you know, keep doing this segment.
We had some people who like do all sorts of
really like high brow crazy stuff. But as it is,
when I'm making my decision of where to order pizza,
we gotta go Dominoes. You know, doesn't doesn't matter what's

(10:40):
on off or elsewhere. We gotta go Dominoes first.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
But no, you go.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
You wrote in and basically said that being a Domino's
pizza delivery driver is a fascinating angle to view the
world from, and I'm just curious to hear more about that.
What are what are things that you are seeing as
a pizza delivery guy.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
I mean, I think the most interesting thing about it
is that you kind of get to experience almost every
day sort of every level of American society in terms
of class, in terms of workplace, in terms of age, demographic. Yeah,
it's I mean, I feel like there are a lot
of jobs, and I've had many of them where you
you know, sit behind a desk all day or you

(11:26):
stand behind a counter all day and you just interact
with the people in front of you or around you,
And this job is it's fascinating in that, you know,
you interact with every level of the economic stratum, from
people living on the street or in RVs all the
way up to people living in multimillion dollar mansions and

(11:46):
every point in between.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, Like, like do do people in mansions? Do their
houses smell like shit? You know what I mean? Like
one of.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
The things I was very surprised by in the chorus
of this job, because you know, when you are right
people's front doors, you get to see into at least
the open area of a lot of people's.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Homes, right right.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
And one of the things I was genuinely most surprised
by was that very wealthy people are just as filthy
as everyone else, Okay, or at least been like the
same proportion of like people who like don't take care
of their homes versus people who do.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh, right, Because in your mind, you're like, this person
who surely has this, like this bit gigantic home must
take pride in keeping it completely clean.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Right, I would think if nothing, they could at least
like afford to pay somebody to come around and take
care of it. Sure, but I regularly deliver to multiple
like multimillion dollar homes that are just absolute sties. Just
I don't know if they're hoarders or if they just
have just been setting stuff down since they moved in

(12:51):
there and never picked up anything since.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Right, it's too big. The house is too big, They've
got too much shit. They can't pick it all up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I think they probably do hire people to pick it up,
and it's just so like they're worse somehow. That's that's
really incredible.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, just go right back to it.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah, especially with the way in which you know, houses
are sort of the closest thing that most people have
to a way to retire in this country in terms
of like homeownership being the one asset that you're supposed
to like take really good care of so that eventually
we're retired, you can sell it off. I don't know
if it's if there's some sort of disconnect where they
have so much wealth that they just don't have to

(13:29):
think about it that way.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Right, I feel like wealth like probably there's some shared
mental thing with accumulating wealth and being a hoarder, right,
Like you're accumulating an illogical, irrational, immoral amount of wealth.
Maybe you're doing the same thing with with object o Jack.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Some of these people are just unburdening themselves, that's right. Well,
I just have to what other stuff, Like what other
things do you see, Like, what's the like, what's the
wild ship that you see? Because I know obviously on
top of again, like starting from a very foundational level,
you're like you kind of see it all like doing
what I do. But what are the parts that I
think you know, Like in my mind, the concept of

(14:12):
a like a pizza delivery person, I'm like, it's either
starting off a porno or they witness like a robbery
or something things like that. Are you are do you
find yourself in situations like that? Or is that just me?
Is that mostly the movie Hollywood brain?

Speaker 4 (14:25):
I've I mean, I've definitely seen some strange stuff out
there and also just people acting in extreme ways. Let's
say there are definitely some people who really don't take
it well when you won't give them the thing that
they want that you can't actually make.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Right, Like I feel like I see this all the time.
Like I feel like people just since you know, twenty
twenty and like all the lockdowns are becoming more just
rude to anyone. Yeah, any service capacity or like retail capacity,
I'm guessing it's no probably no different, Like does that
bleed into even when you deliver? Like I feel like
when someone brings the pizza. You're like, yeah, the pizza,

(15:07):
and you also get other people like look, what the fuck?

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah, I will say there's definitely a different, like a
very marked difference between people who come to pick up
carry out versus people that you delivered to. Generally speaking,
I've been delivering for like seven years now because the
money is shockingly good for how easy of a job
that it is. When you go to people's doors. Yeah,
I think I've only ever had one said somebody was

(15:30):
like upset when I got there, and it was because
we were insanely busy when I was two and a
half hours late with their food, which that is pretty
reasonable to be upset about.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
That's gotta be a tough But what did the tracker
tell them?

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Well, okay, just to roll in on a little secret
with the Domino's tracker, it doesn't actually track anything. It's
just a timer.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
We heard that and that I didn't want to believe it,
And the whole podcast has actually been building to this
moment where we confirm this reveal and I don't know
what to do with myself at this point. So are
the names random? Are the names at least true? Is

(16:11):
Brian putting my pizza in the oven.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
They do use the real names, although it is like
they are somewhat randomly assigning the like who is actually
might not be actually putting your pizza in the and
all that?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Right? How many? How many people like answer the door
butt naked?

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah? So that was actually one of the things that
I was genuinely shocked by with this job is the
number of genitals that you end.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Up seeing, like for real, for like for real, for real?

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Yeah, mostly dicks.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
What I know, I know, I've heard everything. Yeah, you
wrote in your thing like more, I've seen more dicks
than you'd expect. And I assumed you meant people acting
like dicks, not like penis dicks. It's actual pianistics you're seeing.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, I mean I just between when we did a
little pre interview and now I had another incidental It
was a woman this time. Wow, but just somebody coming
to the door and wearing a T shirt and nothing
else and the T shirt wasn't long.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Enough right with the So is how freak? How frequent?
Just real quick, like, how frequently is that happening?

Speaker 4 (17:27):
I mean I've been doing this for about seven years now.
I would say that I've had it happen at this
point about two dozen times, so maybe like two to
three times a year.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Damn. So is it always on some like predatory ship
Like are people just trying to like flash you like that?
Or are some people completely like out of sorts and
like oh shit, I got one.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
I have some theories about this. Part of it. I
do think is that I live in a place where
weed is legal, and you know, we we like to
we like to blaze up, sure, and I think a
lot of people are as part of their like day
off ritual, you know, they blaze up. They maybe grab
a shower and order a pizza, they throw on a shirt,
and then they come to the door just like so

(18:09):
blazed up that they're not thinking about.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh so like you're looking at people like with eyes
redder than the state of Arkansas.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Oh yeah, people with eyes red like stop signs.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Right right right? Oh got it? Because part of me
is like that sucks, like if you're just also having
to contend with just like fucking perverts who are like.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Eh ye, I mean I will say there the very
first time that happened, it was a dude who just
came to the door just fully nude and in fairness
to him. I mean, dude had a hammer. Like I
also would not ever wear pants if I was back
in my bag, I was packing like it was it
was at.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Of he was wielding a hammer. Fanness, he did seem
unhinged with a hammer, so I just kept him moving.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
Yeah, somebody shows up to the door and naked with
a hammer. I'm not going to complete that friends.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, right right, but they don't, so they there's not
a moment where they're like, oh my god, I'm so
sorry and like run input because that's the thing. Like
I've had like stress dreams, you know, the famous stress
dream of like now you realize you're not wearing pants,
I'm like a speech or something like. It seems like
the sort of thing that could happen to someone as

(19:20):
like in a quick moment of like not you know,
being fully aware, but the second you see the person,
it feels like you would immediately. But but you're saying
they complete the whole transaction just pooh bearing it just
Donald Duck.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Yeah, just just Donald Duck in it. And yeah, I
think it's a combination of like if people who literally
aren't aware of the fact they're you know, showing junk
and people who uh I think maybe in a in
a prior era would have been exhibitionists or flatterers, right,

(19:58):
but as sort of our culture has become more automated
and like less, you know, there are fewer third spaces
in which to expose yourselves to people.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
This is proof we need community.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, I mean, I hate to say it, but in
a weird way, I really do think that it is.
And so because we have so much more, like so
many more services where people are coming right to your door,
the opportunity space for people to engage in that kind
of I don't know if you would call it a
fetish or just a sex crime, but I think that

(20:35):
a lot of it is transferred to the the door
people of the world, you know, delivery guys like me
or like your Amazon guy or what have you, right,
or your Uber eats, you know, the guy who's dropping
off your Starbucks. Yeah, however they self identify.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
In every context.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
I'm always amazed by that, Like how many people have
that impulse to show everybody there dick, Like when chat
Roulette came online and like that was just all anybody
was using it for. Oh, so yeah, it is a
crime like this ship I obviously shouldn't be doing.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Unless you are unless you showed up to the Dick Show, right, Yeah,
I don't think Yeah, I don't think that's a consent thing.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Yeah, And I mean I always think too about I mean,
you know, we have female drivers, and I always wonder,
at least I've never heard from them that they're doing this,
So to an extent, I almost wonder if the fact
that they have like the tracker and they can see
whose name it is, right determines whether they're doing that.
This could all just be a hitchcocky and plot to

(21:35):
drive me mad. I've conserved that.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, but who would be a behind such a thing?

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Yeah, it does seem to happen enough that I'm like,
something's up here, right this, this must happen to other.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
People, right right? It can't just be me. What's I mean?
Tell me like just sort of from you know, from
doing this job. What is like kind of what what?
What's the shit that irks you the most about the
work or about the what it means to you know,
do the work you do, whether that's in the context
of what like people who are interacting with you don't

(22:10):
understand or even like the you know, the fucking business
owners of sure franchise don't even understand.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Uh Well, part of it is that the franchisees are
extremely cheap, extremely right wing people, and they don't believe
in uh like updating or replacing equipment and other necessary
tools in a timely manner. So it's always pulling teeth
to get the things out of them that you need

(22:37):
from them, sometimes months.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Right, Like, what are those like? So what are those
kinds of like those tools that you like that.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Are I mean even just basic stuff like uniforms and
like replacement kitchen tool stuff, getting things fixed, right, wow,
just just the most baseduff that you would think would
be like part of being a responsible business owner.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Right.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
I Mean these are people who just like they bend
like a compound way way outside of the city.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
And siphoning money from this.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Right, and then they just have the managers that they
send around to you know, make sure everything is basically
running and collect the checks so to speak. Right, And
I suspect that that this level of gentry for lack
of a better term, that every like major city in
town is full of these kinds of people, or rather

(23:26):
it is its power structure is full of these kinds
of people.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Right, people are just like, ah, this is just passive money.
I just get to sit back and not do this
job in any way and make other people's lives miserable.
But I'm insulated enough from it that, oh yes there was.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
I worked with somebody who's family were like the like
in the top five franchise owners of Dominoes, and like,
for the longest time, I was like, what what do
y'all do but this and the like? And like one
of my other friends like, it's all Domino's money, Like
they have a seventy wretch or some obscene number of
franchises that they just sort of like, yeah, and that's

(24:05):
kind of where all the money comes from. And I didn't. Yeah,
like I failed to realize like those sort of mini
like fiefdoms of like owning numerous franchises. That's wild. I'm
also curious, like what are I think you know, Jack,
we were talking about like we kind of want to
do overrated and underrated too.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, like what's something that you like about your job
or like a skill that your job kind of requires
or has like given you access to.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
I mean, I will say the two most underrated things
about the job. One is I get to listen to
podcasts all day, and that is I'll be honest, It's
part of the reason it's hard to leave that job,
the idea of having to work in a place where
I have to like just my own thoughts and just
stand there doing whatever in my head all day instead

(24:54):
of just getting to listen to podcasts all day and
hand people who change for money that don't know if
I can go back guys. But also it definitely and
I've had prior jobs that sort of did this to
a degree. I worked at a call center for comcasts
many years ago. It just sort of forces you to
be a level of social that I think a lot

(25:15):
of people are no longer forced to be, where insofar
as you're social, it comes to this extremely mediated interaction
where you're like worldway through like a sort of pre
written conversation. Whereas, at least in the context of being
a pizza guy, I mean, the you know, the interaction
you have often are fairly perfunctory, but there's still real

(25:39):
in a way than any other job that I have,
because people are always happy to see you. Yeah, nobody
pissed off because their pizza has arrived, right and so
you do get to see. Sorry, I'm trying to think
of like a way to articulate this.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Is it like heartening, it's like life affirming in a way,
or is.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
It in a way? I mean it isn't. It isn't
the sure the where when you asked before about like
the thing that is most frushed about the job, what
came to mind was people who don't tip. Sure, as
far as I concerned, our moral monsters.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Oh yeah, well yeah, the way this country operates like
it's incumbent on on tipping.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Right, You would think over time I would get more
used to it and just eventually stop caring. But if anything,
the longer I do the job, the more just every time,
it just feels like a core betrayal of the social.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Compact, right right, Yeah, I be wrong.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
I understand the history of tipping and that it was
originally instituted for like racist reasons and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, after slavery. But yeah, but but look at but
here we are now and now everybody suffers under that
ship exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
And and that's the thing is, at the end of
the day, if you can afford to order your home,
you can afford to tip, right, it just just full
stop it. It's like going to a restaurant through a
bar and then not tipping your waiter or your bartender.
Like it's just as rude. Sure, sorry, I put some frank.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Totally. I think it's anything I see all the time.
People debate this though, like about like I'm not tipping
blah blah blah, and like do you understand like what
the the toll? It would a take on your vehicle
if you have it's your own car, and then that
there's gas and these other there's It's not just like well,
that's what they get paid to do. There's all these
other parts of a job that I think a lot
of people don't understand or or really look at it

(27:33):
very narrowly as to who does or does not you know,
deserve a tip, like in a given industry.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
I mean, I do think that there is an extent
to especially if you don't take the time to pay
attention to it. These sort of like logistics behind how
everything works are sort of masked for most people, and
so unless you really spend the time to look into it,
you sort of end up with these very almost like
magical thinking perceptions of the world. Like I based on

(28:03):
interactions that I've had with customers, I think there is
a substantial percentage of them who think the pizza just
comes out of like a magical hole in the wall. Yeah, right,
Like people will come in and ask for food and
then we'll be like, Okay, it's gonna be like ten
to fifteen minutes to make, and they'll be like, you
don't have it ready, Like.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
The words just left your mouth, my dude.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, but yeah, I think it's masked intentionally, right, Like
that is more and more of the world that we're
built into. Is that everything, like all the behind the
scenes stuff, like that's what Amazon puts behind a wall.
That's what a lot a lot of these you know,
food delivery services put behind a wall is. And I
guess Domino's was at the at the forefront of that

(28:46):
of just getting rid of any human interaction other than
like that quick transactional moment like that. That's what the
people who build this system called friction, and they want
to like create less friction. And it's like it's very
bleak and also makes us all dumber.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
I think it's of a sell it, But to be honest,
I think it's a form of oblique union busting. Right
that essentially, after the sort of the height of unionism
in like the sixties and seventies, capital started to rearrange
the actual physical terrain of how businesses are put together

(29:26):
in order to prevent unions from arising. Like now factories
are out in the middle of nowhere instead of in
a city where they have like a set of third
plate of bars and stuff like that around them, where
like people can get together after work and talk to
their coworkers. Now, you know, if you work in a factory, yeah,
you're out in the middle of nowhere. You live in
a house that's out in the middle of nowhere that

(29:46):
you drive thirty miles to and then you drive back
to your house. Everyone is literally atomized in a way
that exactly. I don't want to sound like conspiracy brainout
it because I don't think that it's that. I do
think that it's more like aggregate classes acting in their
own interests, right, But the asymmetry of power because they
have so much more money and political access, allows them

(30:08):
to rearrange that terrain. And I think that that's true
with stuff like like like that masking is just a
side effect of that process. I think right that if
you can't see the labor conditions, then you can't even
build the awareness necessary to overcome them.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
That's right, Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Why would I worry about this guy who just gets
the pizza out of the.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Hole in the wall down the street from me and
brings it to me in a duffel bag takes twenty
minutes to get it from the hole in the wall
to my mouth. The hell?

Speaker 1 (30:39):
I always think about that. There's this anecdote that like
London cab drivers have like this super powered part of
their brain that you know, they have access to, just
like and now obviously we have GPS, but like, is
there anything that you know better than you know people
might expect based on what's it's a superpower?

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Yeah, I mean you definitely, at least for your delivery
area or mine. I suppose you do get like a
perfect mental map after a while, to the point where
people can just tell you where they're at. In a
more general sense, you'd be like, oh, yeah, I know
exactly where to find you, or you know all the
little like tricks of oh, this building is impossible to
park at, so here's where you have to go instead

(31:24):
in order to get to them. And also you you
sort of you see the insides of lots of places,
and people just sort of freely give you the like
access codes to their buildings or offices constantly, to the
point where I often think about how like if somebody
wanted to, you know, be like a like a serial thief,

(31:46):
become a pizza driver. Like people will just give you
access to everything. It's wild.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, right, I guess like the sort of your defenses
go down because they're like, well, they're only here to
deliver the thing and not remember how to get into
this bank building.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Well not just like you. You almost get treated as
like like background noise. Like I've definitely delivered to like
business meetings where people are like discussing high level stuff
and I am just not there as far as they're concerned, Right,
I am just like a like a like a Star
Wars droid. It's just like putting pizzas on the table
for them, and that can just be safely ignored, right right.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Ye, Ocean's eleven needs to hire a Domino's delivery driver
to their crew. Domino's ca Burglar.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's just the new way to you infiltrate, Like the
Capitol just like, oh no, just going to the ray
Burn building, just with some pizzas to Senator Schumer's office
and then just like who stuff.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah. I mean, I I genuinely wonder sometimes if any
like clever foreign power has ever like gotten a guy
into the Pentagon by literally just waiting until they ordered
a pizza and then intercepting that and sending their own
guy in. Because I'm sure they can.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Get that all the time where I've been like access
controlled buildings and like you can tell someone's getting like
a delivery and you just open the door. You're like, yeah,
yeah you can, you're dropping something off, go ahead, And
I never bets. I'm like they, I don't know they
had a shopping bag. It all seems up and up. Well,
one thing I like to ask, right because I'm a
big fast food head and food head in general, it's
actually a two part question. Are the secret codes real

(33:21):
at Dominoes? And are this? Is there a secret menu
at Dominoes?

Speaker 4 (33:26):
I'll be honest, there aren't as far as I'm aware
secret codes. If there are, nobody's revealed them to me.
And I feel like I've been far and away the
longest serving peace person at that store. So if there were,
I feel like I would have found out about them.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
But do you know what I'm talking about, like about
like there's like these coupon codes.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Oh well, I mean there are like codes that only
we as employees can use that are just for us.
But to be honest, I don't know if it varies
from franchise to franchise, but the ones that buzz not
actually as good. It is the ones the customers happier discus.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Right right, they're like, what did we say? You go
three pepperonis on there? That's it. Don't don't lose your ship.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Now, insofar as the secret menu goes, there are definitely
like combinations of food that we make for ourselves that
are not on the menu. Yeah, okay, Like I I
do like what what I've called the heart Attack special,
which is the Wisconsin three cheese with salami.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Onto something called the Wisconsin three Cheese Amazing.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
It's yeah, and you tucked the salami in under the
cheese for the layering, yeah, John style. Yeah. And they
just they just debuted that new loaded tot item a
little while back, and we've been experimenting with mixing that
with the chicken and doing like a thing where it's
like cheese blend and some bacon and then doing like

(34:59):
a menu hob and arrow sauce drizzle and like some
of the regular like hots of Barbie sauce combined with
that for like a real like good sort of spicy savory. Yeah,
it's it's good stuff. But yeah, you can't really order it.
There's not like a way you can be like secretly
ordering it off the menu, because a it would be
crazy expensive and be with like the really good stuff

(35:23):
that we make for ourselves there, it would take too
long to make for a regular customer, it would take
like twenty minutes because we're putting it through the oven
multiple times.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Oh wow, okay.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
One of the things I will you know, put out
there to the listeners as like a good hack for
our wings. Never let them put them through just once.
Always make sure they put them through at least a
second time. If you're willing to wait.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Well done, ask for them well done. What you like
you asked for it like that way, like oh good question.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
So the thing is when you order well done, all
we do is just like push it back in the
oven like one like length of the tray back wings.
You genuinely want to wait the extra ten minutes to
like have them put it through a second time. If
they're willing, allis they will not be. Just to warn you, like,
don't be surprised if you ask them, they're like, we're
not going to do that.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
They're like, who the fuck told you that?

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Man, Yeah, there's a decent chance. That's the response you
will get. But if they're cool about it, or if
it's a slow day that day, ask them if they
will put it through a second time for you, because
then the wings actually come out closer to I won't
call them great.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
But yeah, I know what you mean, because yeah, then
they're not when they're feel like slightly undercooked or not undercooked,
like in terms like they're inedible. I'm like, these could
get a little bit more of a cook on them,
just for Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
They did used to have an item which I desperately
wish they would bring back, and I think they still
have other franchises, A half dip chocolate cookie. Do they
have that where you guys are at No?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
No?

Speaker 4 (36:55):
No, Yeah, that was that was one that I was
a big fan of for a long time. You take
one of those, throw it in the microwave for like
ten seconds and it just comes out just oh beautiful.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I mean they should have I mean they should have
a unified menu with all the states that have legalized cannabis,
you know, like, I think that just makes sense as
a general business practice.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
I mean, all be honest, I am genuinely surprised that
they haven't gone the route of Jack in the Box,
where Jack in the Box just openly has it's like
Munchy menu, where it's just like listen, stoners, we are
here for you. We know where our business comes from,
right right, right, And I feel like enough of Dominoes'
business also comes from that same crowd that it's wild

(37:34):
to me that we haven't literally sort of just been like, hey, guys,
we got something for you.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Hey, yeah, look weed. You guys like weed? Right, we
get it. We know, try this new one out. All right.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Well, hugo, this has been such a pleasure. We really
appreciate you taking the time.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
This was a blast.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I feel both more informed on you know, your particular job,
and worse about humanity based on the number of people
who are showing you their dicks. But yeah, it's a
very thrilled that you are a listener. You're really smart dude,
and it was really great talking to you.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Thank you. And likewise, I just if I may say, Uh,
I've Jack, I've been following since the since the beginning
of Cracked, uh and Miles since you started on the podcast.
Giant fans of both. You just can't thank you enough
for all of the first and hours of entertainment and
insight that you all have given me. I just from
the bottom of my heart, thank you, guys.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Well, we've are just as indebted to Zite Gang for
making this a thing that we can continue doing all together.
So yeah, it's it goes both ways, and we really
appreciate you all, especially you for being our inaugural listener.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Genuinely honored by that. You guys, I had no idea, really,
I you know, I'm almost well enough. It's it is
genuinely a real honor to be the first.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
All right, Well, you go get back to catching those
vagabonds out there and get back to your trans ocean
bouncy hunting ways.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Absolutely all right.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Thanks all right, folks, Thank you again to listener Hugo
Bosk on the discord for talking us through, yes, you know,
life out there in these streets delivering the Domino's pizza
that everyone craves.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
I just didn't even think about the like when you
go to these like like restaurants and stuff where everything's
behind a wall. Yeah, you absolutely, it just becomes completely obscure.
And I really never, truly never considered the fact of
how like taking away that visual of workers working with
somehow like is a very ghost done by ghosts. I

(39:43):
wish I had brought that up a ghost kitchen.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
They're like, yeah, yeah, it's a some mythical character that
makes your pizza sport to the middle class.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Actually, yes, that's right.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Okay, So with the important business out of the way,
we also wanted to talk to the theoretical physicist who
works on astrophysics and cosmology. Was the or I think
is the Frank B. Baird, Junior Professor of Science at
Harvard University, was the longest serving chair of Harvard's Department

(40:17):
of Astronomy and is the founding director of Harvard's Black
Hole Initiative. And also, is you know open to ideas
around you know, extraterrestrialism, like what first contact is going
to look like? The sort of thing that you guys
have heard me just not be able to stop talking

(40:39):
about I've sometimes said, like why is why do we
ever talk about anything else? I sometimes wonder, But just
a fascinating question, especially right now, you know, we're as
we're we mentioned on yesterday's you know, weekend catch up.
There's there's been a constant back and forth on UAP

(41:00):
in the media, but recently NASA is in paneling a
group of experts to figure out like the best way
to assess these UAP phenomena. They were like, yeah, there,
for instance, there are a lot of metallic orbs hovering
around the globe that we have caught on various you

(41:21):
know cameras that we can't can't really explain. So we
are going to try to we want to start investing
in getting scientific reading, you know, scientific observation of these things.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
And it's it's like it's kind of it's this isn't
something NASA does. Like ever, they never weighed into the
arena like about UFOs or UAPs or whatever you want
to call them. So like it just shows, like as
as more and more of these sort of clips or
like videos or anecdotes and things come out about UAPs

(41:56):
or observable phenomenon and things like that. It's just like
more and more agencies are like, maybe we need to
talk about this also. But it's interesting how like how
contentious it is too, because that first meeting there were
a lot of people who are like, what are you
guys hiding from us? As like it's kind of the
energy from some people of course, but again this is

(42:16):
because it's around like such a huge, like existential question
of is is it more than this little marble we're
on And I think I mean, like, like you'll hear
me say in the interview, like I've I can't imagine
why we could be alone just given the probability of everything.
I'm certainly not thinking, like, and it's the only place

(42:37):
that special is here, and I'm the most special one
here my little boys in the universe.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
And yeah, there is one part where I think obviously
suggests that the world doesn't revolve around me as a
as an individual.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
And I may have cut that out because that was
one of the most inflammatory things we'd heard on this podcast. Yeah,
we probably cut it, but I just everybody knows that
I disagree with that. But yeah, interesting station, interesting time
for people who are open to the idea of you know,
U aps and we talk about the very specific case
of a muamua and all sorts of interesting things around that.

(43:13):
So we're going to do that right after this.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Break, and we will be back at the end to
wrap things up. So we will be right back to
talk to doctor A Vi lope.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Av.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Thank you so much for joining us, doctor Avi Lobe,
Doctor A. We're not familiar.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well, we'll get there in the intro.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
You don't need to spend too much time on the
intro and just call me a farm boy.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Farm boy.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, that's what I was going to do, actually, so
I'm going to say this next person is a farm
boy who we found on the side of the road
to talk to us. No, you know, I've been reading
you for a while now, but I want to get
people kind of up to speed about who you are
and your career.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
You didn't spend your career.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Thinking about contact with extraterrestrial intelligence, or at least that
was not your area of expertise, right, Your area of
expertise was black holes, and then you came across some
ideas that sent you down this path. So I was
just wondering if you could describe your career up to
that inflection point and then talk about kind of what

(44:30):
those ideas were.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
Well, let's start from the beginning. I grew up on
a farm, and I was mostly interested in the big
questions that were in the realm of philosophy, and I
thought of becoming a philosopher, but then the circumstances forced
me to pursue physics because that was the closest to

(44:52):
philosophy that I could get while serving in the Israeli
military in a special program that allowed me to fe
finish my PhD at age twenty four in physics and mathematics.
At that point I said, well, it looks like I'm
even though it was an arranged marriage, I'm actually married
to my true love. Because in the context of astrophysics,

(45:14):
there are some basic fundamental questions that we can ask
about our existence. For example, where did we come from?
How did the universe start? So my first projects were
about the first stars, the first galaxies, and you know,
the most fundamental question perhaps that we can ask is
are we alone? Is there anyone else out there? And

(45:35):
in twenty seventeen October nineteen, the first report about an
object from outside the Solar System was announced, and I
did not expect that because a decade earlier I wrote
a paper saying that this telescope in Hawaii pun stars
should not find any rocks from other planetary systems like

(45:58):
the Solar System. We show that, based on what we
know about the Solar System, the number of rocks per
unit volume in interstellar space is so small that the
telescope will not find anything. So to me, that was intriguing.
But as time went on, this first object appeared to
be anomalous. It was given the name of Mua Mua,
which means a scout in the Hawaiian language. Also, it

(46:21):
was pushed away from the Sun by some mysterious force
without any cometary taale. So to answer your question, this
brought me to a new subject that I started working
on over the past six years, which is the possibility
that we are not alone, that there might be technological
objects near Earth that were sent by an extraterrestrial civilization

(46:47):
far away. Because you know, just to put things in context,
most of the stars form billions of years before the Sun,
and it takes half a billionaeres for spacecraft of the
type that we sent to to traverse the entire Milky
Way galaxy. So they could have made it here and

(47:07):
by the way, this morning, that was the report by
very reputable journalists that interviewed a former government employee who
disclosed that the US government has a special section analyzing
objects that are non human in origin and without giving

(47:31):
further details. So it's interesting to see how this will unfold.
And I should say that I myself established a scientific
project called the Galileo Project, where we are searching for
such objects. And I'm about to go to an expedition
to the Pacific Ocean to search for the relics from

(47:53):
the first interstellar meteor, an object that collided with Earth
in twenty fourteen, that was four years almost before or
what was discovered. And the US government confirmed the discovery
of this object as being of interstellar origin. So with

(48:13):
my student, we were first to identify this object as
an interstellar meteor, and the Department of Defense, the US
Space Command wrote a letter to NASA confirming that. And
so we are going on an expedition to retrieve the
fragments left over from this object, and I can talk
more about it.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I had underrated how uncommon it is for an object
coming from outside of our Solar system that like I
assumed that that's where lots of asteroids or meteoroids are
you know that that stuff came from.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
So can you talk a little bit about like how
in common that is?

Speaker 1 (48:48):
And like what are we seeing these things because of
better technology? Like would we have been able to see
a momoa in the nineteen eighties with the technology we
had at that time.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
No, only over the past decade we had the technologies
to find such objects. So that explains Fermi's paradox. Who
are He asked, where is everybody? And the answer is
you better use a telescope or check your backyard to

(49:19):
find objects that were sent by an extraterrestrial technological civilization,
and he simply didn't have good enough telescopes at the time.
So in two thousand and five, the US Congress tasked
NASA to find ninety percent of all the objects bigger
than a football field one hundred and forty meters in

(49:42):
size that could collide with Earth. These are called near
Earth objects, and so the pant Stars Observatory was established
in Hawaii for that purpose to find near Earth objects.
These are I mean objects The size of a football
field is roughly the sensitivity of present day telescopes in

(50:02):
terms of seeing the reflection of sunlight from an object.
You can have much smaller objects, many more of them,
but you will notice them because they reflect very little sunlight.
And so Muama happened to be one of these near
earth objects. It was flagged by this telescope without them
knowing where it came from, and then they realized it's

(50:24):
moving too fast to be bound to the Sun, so
it must have arrived to the Solar System from outside.
And that's how it was discovered, completely by a coincidence.
And the meteor that I mentioned before was found by
again a set of sensors that the US government put
in place over the past decades to look for ballistic missiles,

(50:48):
for objects that might risk national security. And you know,
every now and then they see a fire ball created
by a space rock that collides with Earth and burns
up in the atmosphere as a result of the friction
with air. And so in twenty fourteen they noticed this object,
and with my student, we realized that it was moving

(51:10):
too fast to be bound to the Sun, and the
US government confirmed that. So it turns out that this object,
if you do the calculation, was actually made of a material.
This tougher has material strength larger than all two hundred
and seventy two other meteors that came from the Solar
System in the same catalog that NASA compiled over the

(51:33):
past decade. So not only it's the first object that
was recognized to come from outside the Solar System, but
also it was able to maintain its integrity down to
the lower atmosphere of the Earth. And so that's the
fundamental question, why are these first interstellar objects like this

(51:55):
meteor orma so unusual, so unfamili and Omoa was flat,
was pushed away from the Sun by some unusual force
without evaporating. And you know, three years after m was discovered,
the same telescope in Hawaii found another object and this

(52:16):
one was pushed away by reflecting sunlight. It was very thin.
It was given the name twenty twenty s oh. There
was no evaporation observed, and then a few weeks later
the scientists realized, oh, twenty twenty s oh, this object
actually is a rocket booster that NASA launched in nineteen

(52:38):
sixty six. They could trace back the orbit and figure
out that it came from Earth. So we know that
twenty twenty so so is artificial because we made it.
The question is who made o I suggested that it
was also pushed away from the sun by reflecting sunlight
because it had very thin walls.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Interesting, I mean a blind spy.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
The toy stuck out to me in terms of like
how we conceive of the search for intelligent life and
like what first contact would actually be like is just
the time horizon of Like it's one of the first
things we learned in school is that, you know, humanity's
time on this planet has been relatively brief, just in
comparison to like frilled sharks have been here for one

(53:20):
hundred and fifty million years, and like the Bible was
written a few thousand years ago, So we're just a
blank like a you know, a tenth of a percentage
point of that time, like when you're just stepping outside
of our species and then you step off the planet
and it expands again. And I've heard you say there
are lots of stars with good candidates for you know,

(53:41):
like Goldilocks planets or planets that might sustain life that
are much older than our star. So we're conceivably just
starting out compared to other intelligent life. We're like extremely
young for our planet. Our planet is extremely young for
potential life sustaining planets. We're just the blink in a
time spectrum that itself is a blank. So for me

(54:05):
it was important context, right, because it makes me wonder
if first encounter we have might be with a species,
like a piece of technology, or like something that is,
you know, more of an archaeological find than you know,
aliens stepping off of a spaceship and asking to be
taken to our leader.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
So yeah, there are two aspects. One is indeed time,
and the second is space. Space is huge, and the
situation is similar to an ant that the survey is
the head of a pin and wants to make a
statement about the most distant planet in the Solar System.

(54:47):
This is a very presumptuous end. That's my point. In
terms of space. Now, in terms of time, well, let's
just go in logarithmic steps.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
You know, the.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Appearance of humans, which were a factor of almost ten
thousand times more recent than the big band. You know,
they represent just the end of the cosmic play. And
you know, we know that we are not at the
center of the universe. We know that we came to
the cosmic play just at the end. And if you

(55:18):
come to a play at the end, then you are
not at the center of stage. The play is not about.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Q, right.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
It feels like that's kind of the tension that kind
of exists when even discussing things like UAPs or the
existence of UFOs and things I feel like, for me,
I'm infinitely interested in space and the idea that like,
surely this we can't be the only people here, just
based off of like the probability. But then you go
a step further, and like when it's discussed in more

(55:46):
formal arenas or even scientific places, there's like you start
getting accusations about people like saying, oh, like this this
is for this reason. This isn't because someone is actually
interested in the observable science, or there are people who
are just reluctant because I think, to your point, there's
this idea that how could we as human beings not
be the like is this not the apex of living

(56:10):
intelligence everywhere? And what do you think is that? Like
is that like sort of the biggest hurdle in terms
of like really studying or discussing these things, is it
doesn't all sort of relate back to our own sort
of sense of self importance. Because yeah, I mean, like
to you're point, we started off thinking like, yeah, everything
revolves around us, like very early on is where we
get and they're like, okay, maybe not. And we're beginning

(56:30):
to shed those assumptions more and more.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Like even Fermi's paradoxes, like you know, there should be
so many life sustaining planets. Where is everyone? And it's like,
why aren't they talking to us? What's their fucking problem?
Do they think they're better than us? It's like maybe
they're just not interested because we're you know, I've always
thought that was kind of a fun one.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
The point is that the common sense is not common
and what I mean by common sense is that we
should not have an opinion. We're talking about the reality
that we live in, and it's not a matter of
having an opinion. Whether we have a neighbor in our
cosmic street, and whether the neighbor is this or that
relative to us. That's not a matter of opinion. We

(57:13):
of course can have long conversations about our opinions, but
a better approach is to look for evidence. We just
need to step outside to our backyard and see if
there are any tennis balls or other objects that came
from the cosmic street. That's an easy thing to do.
We have the instruments for that. And you know, in

(57:33):
terms of waiting for a phone call from a neighbor
at home listening for radio signals just because we are
transmitting radio signals, instead of doing that, we better check
our mailbox whether there are any packages that arrive there,
because the center may not be alive. Waiting for a
phone call is really not a valid approach if those

(57:56):
civilizations are dead by now, most of them.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
We've been a lot on the show about UAPs, like
Seen Closer to the Planet, you know, there was that
that's become more of a journalistic mainstream, if not a
scientific mainstream.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
But you know, sixty Minutes.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Had the story about the nimic sighting off of the
aircraft carrier. And I think you've mentioned these UAPs in
the context of you know, this new NASA panel that
is going to be looking to try and explain what
these metallic orbs are and the Galileo project trying to
kind of eliminator or like offer explanent scientific explanations for

(58:39):
what these things are. But can you just talk a
little bit about how you encounter these intellectually like these
UAP sightings that are more like I think I read
that you had a pilot on who had a photograph
of like a cigar shaped thing that was spotted over Spain.
And but it's not something that you can take into

(59:02):
a lab or you know, you know, get data on.
So just how do you think about that as you're
having these parallel inquiries into Amama and the other meteorites.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
Well, and the meteor that I mentioned at the beginning.
They were observed by scientists by scientific instruments that are
monitoring the sky, and the data is of high quality.
It's believable. It was published in peer reviews reviewed journals.
This is the way science is done. If you look
at the UAP reports, they are all based on anecdotal

(59:41):
evidence where people by chance found some evidence for things
that were not expected. And that's very different because first
of all, they were using instruments that are not calibrated,
are not under control. We cannot tell exactly you whether
it was perhaps the malfunction of the instruments, perhaps these

(01:00:06):
were optical illusions. Perhaps you know, the distance was not
assessed correctly, so an object moving close to you can
appear to be moving very fast if you are thinking
that it's far away. And so that's the problem with
past data that you can't really verify it. You can't
go back to these events and the examine the circumstances

(01:00:29):
and try to get better data. And what the Galileo
project is doing. This project aims to assemble new observatories
that monitor the entire sky twenty four to seven with infrared, optical, radio,
and audio sensors. And then we analyze the data using

(01:00:49):
artificial intelligence software to classify objects, to distinguish between natural
objects like birds, from human made objects like drones, wounds, airplanes,
and see if there is anything else. And this is
the first systematic, not an ecdotal study of objects in
the sky, and that's extremely important because by monitoring the

(01:01:14):
sky continuously you can tell how rare are anomalous subjects,
how anomalous they are, and because you understand your instruments,
you can figure out their properties very well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Okay, well we do have to let you go, but
I just want to get you to promise me here
that if you do find the evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence,
that you come on this podcast and break that news here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Could I just get that real quick from you. This
is the place to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
Last in my last class at Harvard, I asked the students,
if you were to find the gudget, let's say, in
the expedition to the Pacific Ocean, and it has buttons
on it, would you press the button?

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Hell? Yeah? Final answer, Oh yeah, yes, yes, how many?
How many? But like Simon, so half.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
Of the students said no, because we are worried about
what will happen to our body, to humanity. And so
half of the students said yes, we are curious, we
would like to know what will happen. And then one
of the students asked me what I would do, and
I said, well, you know, I would treat it like
an intelligent animal that suffered the trauma. And I have

(01:02:30):
to bring it to the laboratory to examine it before
I engage with it physically.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
So bring it up. Yeah, yeah, if you want to
press about its about on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
It'll be it'll be huge for our numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Probably recovered artifact to this show about the press the button? Everybody.
Then a black hole appears. Well, this is a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Really interesting conversation. We really appreciate you taking the time. Yeah,
we're We're looking forward to seeing how things go on
the Pacific. Good luck, Thank you so much. And then
I will keep a diary on medium dot com. If
you just want to follow what happens there, look for
search for A V. Lowe A V I l o

(01:03:15):
E B at the medium dot com and you will
find my diary reporting back.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
What do we find over there?

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Great?

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
All right, well, good luck, god speed, Thanks for doing
the show. We appreciate you, my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
And that was our interview with av Lobe. Miles.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
What a first crack at these special, weirdly formatted episodes. Again,
can't thank the super producers of this podcast enough for
helping us try some new things out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah, and please keep hitting us up with just anything.
I mean, like even if you have an interesting job,
like we're hearing all kinds of like celebrity animal wrangler.
This is wild, the kinds of things that we're hearing.
The phonies are lighting up, Miles, Yes, the proverbial phones
are blving up right now. But yeah, again, I think
it's it's so interesting just to hear from people doing

(01:04:09):
the ship that they do then just you know, screaming
into the void all the time. So please join us
on this journey. Yeah, we have a lot of a
professional void screamer. I'd love to hear about that. Oh yeah,
absolutely sounds like Miles. Where can people find you? Follow you?
Oh well, you can find me follow me all at
based life form symbol what I'm What am I trying

(01:04:31):
to say? At bay At Based? Find me on Twitter
and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Okay, and I'm also
on PlayStation Network Miles of Gray. If you've seen me
on there, try and you know, step to me on
FIFA or maybe we can team up on Red Dead
Revolver Redemption because I really want to do that again.
Also find Jack and I on our basketball podcast and
Miles and Jack good mat booties and man I shout

(01:04:55):
out the Heat. Shout out the Heat. I was like, okay,
so look at look at spo oh making adjustments? What's
that like? Darknhead? So good? And what else? Find Sophia,
Alexander and I on four to twenty Day Fiance, which
will be back up just better than ever this week,
along with the new season of ninety that just premiered
on Sunday Amazing. Is there a work Amedia you've been
enjoying Honestly, the works of social media I'm enjoying are

(01:05:18):
all the people that have tagged me or at DMed
me or added me with their super interesting lives. And
as much as I'm like, yeah, I guys should to
talk about on a podcast, I'm like, this is fucking great.
So yeah, please please keep talking to us, Please interact
with us, because we love hearing from you. That is
what I'm working with on social media.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore Obrian
and a tweet I've been enjoying is just somebody tweeted
two videos of owls and said, there are two types
of owls, and owl's apparently run very funny or walk
around very funny. They like walk like they are cartoon
characters trying to sneak around. And then in another video

(01:05:59):
and now like literally like kramers into frame, like does
the like run slide in?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Owls are cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
That's that's the media I've been enjoying, the simple, good
old fashioned media of owls.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
It's uh, id they get their eyes that have you
seen them without feathers. It's it's kind of like it's
probably seeing James Harden without the beer. Yeah, it's scary,
it's like a little bit cool.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Song that we think you might enjoy. Myles, is there
a song that we think people might And yes, this
is a There was a cover of Do for Love
for Love, but it's by snow Allegra. But then this
is the remix by Black Coffee. So this is the
Black Coffee remix of Do number four Love with snow

(01:07:06):
a leg ground vocals. So check this on. That's very
I love I just love that song and that melody
is just so I don't know, like the first time
I actually heard it was when Tupac sampled it when
I was like an adolescent, and then ever since then
I got into like the real version and every other cover.
So this is like a great like darker sort of
ambient cover that's really dope. So check this out. Do

(01:07:27):
for Love the Black Coffee Remix.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
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