January 16, 2018 • 51 mins
In episode 64, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Teresa Lee to discuss the Hawaii Missile Alert, Aziz Ansari and the issue of consent, Trump paying off a porn star, a new sexist edit of Star Wars, & more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season fourteen, episode one
of DOS Daily's eight Guys. January six, two thousand eight teen.
My name is Jack O'Brien. A kay little ditty about
Jack O'Brian Andrew Thomas, and I am joined by my
cost Mr Miles Gray. I don't know what to say
(00:20):
since you sang, but because of the events of the weekend,
I'm gonna have to say, it's in your head some
gray salm Gray som Gray, Hey, thank you. I thought
that was gonna keep going. No, no, that was that
was for the Homie Dilors. Weirded died suddenly, very tragically,
(00:43):
And if you're anybody who was conscious in the nineties,
there's no way you can say The Cranberries was a
bad band because pivotal they gave us a lot there
important and she is amazing many emotional moments when I
was like thirteen year old. We're had with with the
Cranberries and we are thrilled to be joining our third
teat by the hilarious comedian and writer Teresa Lee. Hi.
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You guys always have such cool like intros nicknames, and
I was trying to take up one, but I said,
come on, it's like, you know, there's always a stream
of like it's me, I'm the doctor and the of
the h and I'm just like I'm the like I
see Larisa t that's your Twitter handle. I'm sorry, I
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just I don't have Teresa. What's something from your search
history that is revealing about who you are? Oh? Um,
I recently searched can you give a cat dog food? Well?
I don't have a cat full disclaimer, but I have
a dog and dog food. And there was a straight
cat out on my door. Um, and it was cold
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and rainy, and the cat was a kitten and it
looks sad and it kept following me like it wouldn't
want me in. So I was like, maybe maybe it's hungry.
But I don't have catfood. I was like, oh, have
dog food? Can I eat it? And they can't. So
they can't eat dog food no, but they can eat eggs.
So I made the cat eggs. But then she ran
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away because my dog barked her. So I think she's fine,
we'll see Wait so wait, you can't give wait why
can't you give a cat dog food? The Internet said
you can't. It said it's not digestible for them. It's
processed for them. How do you some dog? Full disclosure? Right?
So I have I have I have two cats and
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a dog, and the other day, like I make all
their food at the same time and they know it's
like it's feeding time, and in a rush through the
cat threw the dog food the bull. They all use
the same bull, so are not the same bull, but
the same kind of bull. I put the cat food
in front of the dog and the dog in front
of the cat, and I only realized like later, for
my girlfriend did and I was like, why did you
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give the cat dogs? I was like, oh, ship and
the cat they didn't eat much of it, so maybe
that's why. Because even the cat was like, no, I'm
not really working with this, even though it's like I
have to go, I give like my dog raw dog
food because you're bad allergies, so I thought maybe they
would respect it, so I didn't know. Maybe if it's raw,
it's okay. Also, I feel like your pets are um
like X men pets, because didn't your dog eat a
bunch of chocolate? And hey, look, why why am I chocolate?
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And he was fine, he was fine. My dog has
eaten like change packages of chocolate and yeah, fine, my
dog has an iron stomach. Because the thing is, as
I read in a panic Google search, it's clearly it's
the darker the chocolate the more dangerous. And like Baker's chocolate,
I think is the most fatal because it's just like
but milk chocolate and white chocolate brown lines are really
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bad chocolate cake or really bad like anything you're baking.
Baker's chocolate would imply. It's like the natural state of Yeah,
so we're fine, We're all good pet owners here. Also, coffee,
you shouldn't give them coffee. That toxic like both babies
and dogs, I'm told. Is yeah, good to know for
all the parents that were one out there, don't give
your baby's coffee. My my friend has two cats, and
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like my dog, it just exists to eat human food
like it is not It does not come off as
very intelligent. I brought him to the office a couple
of times, and uh, you guys can attest to the
fact that he doesn't come off as like, you know,
a very human, humanly intelligent dog. He just kind of
sits there and snores, well he's awake, and uh he
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but he becomes like a genius when it comes to
getting food. So I expected this from dogs. But I
went over to my friend's house who had cats, and
their cat like jumped up on the counter and like
took a whole like turkey, and its mouth was like
like just fucking ate the whole things like crazy. Tried
to eat a loaf of wonder bread. Really yeah, and
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I was like I heard in the kitchen. I look
and they're just like biting the eating the plastic on
the outside of the loaf. I was like, yea, yeah,
I didn't realize. Cats don't ask what I'm buying wonderbread.
Cats get down like that, Teresa, what's something that's overridden? Um?
I feel like a lot of people want to agree
with me, But I think the movie Lady Bird was
all right and everyone is raving about it. I watched
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it pretty early before I saw too much about it.
So maybe if I watched it again now knowing I'm
supposed to like it all, like it better. But it
didn't not like it. It just it felt very like
I've seen this before. Well, you are somebody from northern
California who went to m y U, right, Yeah, maybe
I related too much to exactly what the movie is about.
Did you go to Catholic high school too? I went
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for one year, but I was a brat to my mom,
So maybe it's struck too close to home. Right. It's
funny because other friends I haven't seen it yet, but
I was just talking about my my friend Brittany, who
were from California. We did go to Catholic high school,
and she was like, it felt so real to me
that she wasn't even like it was great. She's like,
it just felt really real. But I don't know. So
you're saying it's overrated merely because there's a lot of hype,
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but it doesn't you You're not saying it quite adds
up to part of it. Yeah, maybe part of it
is I'm biased because it's a story I've seen so
many times and now that i've yeah, perhaps it's like
that I've seen it in life so many times. But
I also think um by itself, it I don't know.
The stakes never felt that high. It never felt like
it was that original of a story. It's just another
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coming of age story. It feels like something I'm like,
I enjoyed it in the moment, but in five years
I will forget and not care about it interesting, what's
something that's underraging? Oh, I love the show with the
marvelous Mrs Masal. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't heard
too much about it. I think people like it generally,
but I feel like it's it's been so far a
very enjoyable show that I have been wanting. Like my
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my gauge of a good show for me is when
I'm done with an episode, even if I don't have time,
I'll like watch the next one. And I've been doing that,
So yeah, it's it's good. I mean, I think the
one of the reasons I really like it too is
I feel like it really captures like the like the
psychological struggle of someone doing comedy too, of like getting
the requisite confidence to go up on stage and then
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like working your material but like stray from the thing
that makes you funny and then refinding that. I don't know,
there's a lot of I just found it very watchable
and very entertained, despite the fact that like most of
like what the the last show Amy Sherman paland United
Gilmore Girls like she writes very privileged characters like where
with people of humendous are humanitous tremendous humanity. Let's let's
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make some tea shirts of that, please. Uh, But like,
like these people have tremendous and humongous familial safety nets
of like you know, like in The Gilmore Girls, parents
are massively wealthy. Even in this show, parents are quite wealthy.
But I don't think that detracts from anything or takes
anything away from the show. But you know, Noah Garden
Swords former guests. He consults on that show, so you know,
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shout out to him because they want to go and
globe to tell people what it's like to be a
stand up comedian. Yeah, like him and Jen Kirkman were consultants,
I think to to sort of give their view as
stand ups to the writers. And I think Noah being like, uh,
you know, he said what basketball is to your family
like Judaism is to his grandfather is a legendary rabbi.
So I think he was able to give many insights
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to them. But yeah, well, I also think the biggest
thing for that show isn't just about because at first
going into it was like, I don't like watching shows
about stand ups, But it's not about just her doing
stand up. Like the manager Susie character great, and I
feel like that's a sidey you don't see a lot.
And I like their relationship and I almost feel like
more women are people will be interested in going to
management from that show, which is cool because it's not
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just another Hey everyone comedy is great be a comedian,
right right, right? So yeah, and she's like great of
like forcing her like to the most honest comedy out
of her two as like the manager Yeah, good show. Yeah,
and also like the weird like Lenny Bruce, like he's
kind of like in there and like just around um
is the comedy? Good is her comedy? Laugh? You like
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her comedy. They do a good job of making it
realistic where you can they write it in a way
where she's supposed to be funny. You can see that
she has raw talent, but she's not like unbelievably good.
When she starts, she's definitely you know, has it's very raw, right, Cool, Well,
I will definitely check that out. That's on Amazon. Cool.
All right, let's get into the format. We're trying to
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take a sample of the ideas that are out there
changing the world, talking about pop culture, the news and
just try and take a temperature of the global shared consciousness.
And the way we like to open up is by
asking our guest, what's a myth? What's something that most
people believe to be true that you know to be
false or you know incorrect. Teresa, Well, Um, I am
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a twin, and a lot of people think that when
you're twins it's like having a clone and that you
guys are the same and that everything is easier because
you can just do you know, have the work, and
it's not true. It's actually much harder because you have
to prove that your separate people all the time, constantly
trying to prove your individuality. And yeah, my sister is
(09:52):
much more cool than me. She's very talented and cool
and tries hard and cooler than you. She's like the guys,
there's a post selfie is running, But like you don't
get mad at her because she's like, bless a day,
and you're like, so she can get away with that use.
She's a musician, so I feel like they're much more
genuine in their craft, right right, But yeah, I actually
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recently went to a fortune teller in Taiwan, and she
went with me to help me translate because I don't
speak that great Chinese, and they told me like all
this stuff about my relationships that's not great. And then
at the end we were like, well, is it the
same because we're twins, and the fortune teller was like, no, actually,
you're two minutes apart, and she's complete opposite. Seems like
she's very lucky and at constantly getting into good relationships,
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stable dirty. But the thing is the fortune teller was right.
I thought she was gonna be like, you're the same,
and I would be like, gotcha right, the same, that's
right because at one time I thought I saw Teresa
and I think it was her sister in a parking
lot at my old job. When I called, like Rosie,
I was like, yo, I think I start to so
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and then you were like that might have been my sister.
And I had no idea how to twin, and I
was like, that makes sense. I probably saw the twin.
Did your sister live in town? She did, but she
moved to Taiwan a few months ago. But at that
time she was right, this was like a year ago probably, right?
Is that hard being a part? Like because you guys
can feel each other's pain, and yeah, I'm constantly that's
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why I'm like sleepwalking, because she's sleeping right, and she's
having the craziest dreams. Like were you in a podcast?
I had that dream? All right, let's get into stories. Uh.
We had a quasi crisis over the weekend in Hawaii
and our westernmost state. I guess, I guess Alaska's our
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westernmost date is I think so, yeah, But Hawaii's way
out there and uh, far out, far out man and
you know, just surfing, hanging loose. And they got an
alert at eight around eight am that said a ballistic
missile was incoming and uh, oh yeah, see commediate shelter.
(12:04):
This is not a drill, which is whoops. Uh yeah,
it was a mistake. Um, as people probably know by now,
due to the fact that we're not in a thermonuclear war,
nuclear war, nuclear nuclear Uh but yeah, it was I
don't know. For thirty eight minutes, everybody was miles You said,
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you know some people who live in Hawaii, and they
were just my girlfriend's college roommate is from Hawaii and
lives out there, and like she was saying, like it
was wild. Like they were calling each other being like hey,
like if we don't make it, like I love you, Like,
like really people were forced to examine their mortality like
in those thirty eight minutes, and like her friend's sister
lives in the mainland and is the only one that
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is on the mainland right now, so she was out there.
Her parents were calling her like, hey, the missile might come,
and like like someone on her sister was like having
a meltdown too, because she thought everybody in her family
was just about to be like who knows what was
to happen. It sounds like a very traumatic situation for
people who were involved. Uh all because it was a
mistake and we have outdated software to you know, sort
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of moderate all this kind of stuff. And I mean,
I guess people could have figured out that it was
a mistake when they weren't dead after five minutes, which
is apparently how long it would take for the missile
too get from North Korea. That's a five minutes. Why yeah, yeah,
so you have five minutes. So I really use that
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phone call, that first phone call carefully. Um it's it's
a crazy story. Um. This is something that we covered
a lot back a Cracked. How many times during the
Cold War there were just these near misses where you know,
one like glitch would happen. They'd leave a tape in
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sort of the um norad, like the big defense room
that like you've seen in movies where it's like all
these screens and stuff. They once left a tape in
there that was a drill for a nuclear attack and
they actually like had the president like up in the
air and everybody was freaking out, like getting ready to
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launch weapons. Uh. There's this story about stan as La Petrov,
this guy in Russia who you know, was the guy
who was in charge of if there was a missile incoming.
He was too like call the command and say launch
launch an attack on the United States. He saw one
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missile and he was like, all right, that could be
a glitch. And then like twelve missiles followed like exactly
in the form formation that you would expect coming from
the United States. And for whatever reason he just decided like, Okay,
well I'm not going to end the world. I feel
like this, this doesn't feel quite right. And he was right.
(14:53):
It was like a son glare or something like that.
Um but they a sungler looked like twelve missiles. Yeah,
it was like fucked with them. Like the satellite radar yeah,
but he basically saved the world by not doing his job.
By failing to do his job. Um, and yeah, could
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you imagine if like we reacted to this then the
wrong way where it's like, oh, ship, I guess it's
going off. And then because it happened in Japan too,
like on Sunday or I think, yeah, or maybe two
more of the timeline, it's kind of weird, but anyway, yeah,
I think it was Sunday or maybe Monday anyway in
Japan that it was another fake warning of like a
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seek shelter, but they got they got like the just
kidding alert out like within a couple of minutes, so
it wasn't a full blown, like forty minutes of like
existential dread like the poor people in Hawaii did. But yeah,
the guy who did it burned me Agi shout out
to Mr mi Agi. He felt terrible about the mistake,
which I'm sure he would because after here, like you
could see there's like a photo he looked like really
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like I funked up so bad. I'm so sorry. But yeah,
when you look at the interface that he was using,
it's just like literally clicking a link to send one out.
That's like they're not like properly organized. I could see
how you if you weren't on your ship you might
accidentally hit that we I mean, yeah, the technology is
just crazy out of date, like surrounding all nuclear weapons
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and uh yeah, it's just the hardware and software. Uh
sixty minutes to a story about it, and you look
at it, it's like out of an eighties movie. It
looks like an eighties movie. A lot of the technology
that they have both guarding and controlling nuclear weapons. Was
he trying to send anything he was supposed to do?
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I think a test, A test you're supposed to that
says like drill, right, you know, oh my god. That's
like when you accidentally screenshot a conversation and then send
it to the person you're talking to, right, You're like damn,
I just yeah, I'm like it was it was a mustark. Yeah.
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That happens probably hundreds of thousands of times every day,
Like and yeah, so we shouldn't have technology that makes
it possible for people to do that with uh nuclear weapon.
I mean, how many people you think involved in that
like took stock of like their relationships to like how
many breakups do you think happened after this like missile warning,
where it was like, you're honestly like in that thirty
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eight minutes, I thought like if somebody I was really
trying to be dating or like the fact that we're
kind of done and I still haven't done anything yet,
I'm sorry, this is I took stock of my life
in those curtain minutes, and this isn't gonna work out.
I feel like there has to be something people just
come clean with, like death confessions. Someone needs to option
this story already. I mean, it's a it's a rom
com for yeah, for sure. Um yeah, and Trump was
(17:51):
apparently golfing so right, and just like in thank God,
he's like they knew within minutes, right that it was
a fake thing. They told him, and he was kind
of all right, you could have tweeted something. A lot
of people follow your Twitter, so I'm sure you could
have probably put some people at ease. But I didn't
send out a correction right forty minutes. It took him
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to be like, oh, false alarm, my bad. So yeah,
they're there now saying that people will know when it's
a real one because they'll send a follow up being
like and seriously, we didn't funk up this time that
this is an actual then you have to enter a code.
Yeah right, you're not a bot like what Anyways, all right,
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we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back
after these messages and we're back. So we wanted to
talk about the thing that I don't know a lot
of people around me. We're talking about everybody. Men Ghazi, Yeah,
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men Ghazi question mark uh so zazon Zari. There was
a article written in was that Babe dot com? Babe
dot com where somebody described a date with him that
was where he acted uh pretty shittaly and um, it
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kind of got lumped in with the Me Too movement,
which you know, there are some debates about whether it
should have. So we wanted to talk about that kind
of This is probably the most controversial of the public
sort of interrogations of famous men um and like even
(19:48):
the Me too movement, and you know, people who consider
themselves feminists are being divided by this. So I don't
know what where did you guys fall this? Oh yeah,
I um god, I feel like everything I say I'm
going to get backlash. But I think first of all,
I feel like I'm I'm not defending as either. I
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feel like everything he did, you know, he could have
done better for sure. But I do kind of think
this article confounds the movement a little bit because I
wouldn't put it in the same category. It doesn't mean she,
I think the the I don't know. She wasn't the author,
the tipper. The tipper, the victim subject of the subject
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of the article has every right to share her story,
um as anybody you know can at any time share
this story and um, you know, whatever line of works
she maybe and it doesn't matter. But I do think that, um,
this story to me falls under more like dating horror story,
which is also a store you can share. But I
think putting it in the same category as like Luis c.
(20:53):
K or like Kevin Spacey or you know, any men
who have raped or assaulted in a more I don't
want to be like a more serious sense, because you
know that's subjective, but in a legally more serious sense.
I think putting this together um has been is more
damaging for the overall movement. Though I do think women
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should talk to each other, so I think it's good
that she is talking about it. I feel that it
is taken away from the more serious stories, right, Well,
it seems like to be like there are people who
have believed this means as he's and sorry is canceled
and get rid of them, throw them on the pile
with the rest of like the sex crimson. And then
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there are other people who were more feeling like they
were more mod I guess they were moderates, so to speak,
like within how they felt to approach this. I mean,
I think clearly this is an example of how to
not treat a woman on a date, right, And I
think that is that's very clear. There's no like defending that.
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And I think, yeah, it's interesting to see how there's
begun to be in fighting because some people are saying
he's done, get rid of them, and other people like well,
and then it's caused people to turn on each other
and it's become very divisive. I mean, like even like
Margaret Atwood got like flamed because she was talking about
another thing having to do with uh, you know, like
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due process. And I think the due process argument has
become a thing that people have been I think that's
like the sort of not logical next step in this
discussion is clearly the me too movement is born out
of the fact that the legal system has failed women,
and that's why there is a need to figure out
how to hold people accountable because they can't do that
in the legal like the traditional justice judicial system since
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and I think that what this brings up is another
conversation around how do we create a system that is
just for the victim, because clearly the way it is
now it's not working. And I think that's like another
I guess that's the next step of this conversation, like
for me getting into like whether or not as he
should be can sort or whatever. That's like an other
(23:01):
more nuanced debate because I don't I don't even know
how the funk we should even talk about, right well,
I mean, at the end of the day, that like
the cancel stuff and the job stuff that's all gonna
when people don't see this when they're blogging, But that
all comes down to business, and that's like, you know,
business people are gonna make their decisions based on what's
good for business. So when they cancel something, they do
it because they don't think it's good for business, or
maybe they have a moral sense, who knows, But ultimately
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I don't think that's the way to fight sexual assault
is just by ruining people's careers, because what happens in
your face with someone who doesn't have a career. So
I think we need to figure out a better way.
Like you're saying justice wise, but in this case, like
what justice does you want? I I that's what The
part that gets me about the story is like she's
not really looking for justice, and it's hard because she's
(23:43):
not the one writing it. So very possible the writer
has her own agenda, um, But to me, it reads
like a story where the writer wanted to get involved
and maybe take advantage of a time when she knew
she could get used on this story, and it didn't
feel like it was necessarily helping the woman in the story.
It doesn't seem like there's any call to action, um,
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not even really a call for men to be better.
It just feels like a like a juicy, gossipy story, honestly.
And the part that rang the most like off to
me was how she describes as ease as like gross
when he's just kissing her, not even like the sex stuff,
And that to me reasons like I don't want to
be like because I don't know her and this is secondhand,
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But it seems like if you went on a date
with him, like why would you describe him as a
person as gross before any of this stuff happened. It
really feels like maybe she wanted a story I want
to go on the stay and then didn't want to
go that far. He didn't act correctly either, so that
made it harder for her to just get out of
the situation. So I don't think he was right, But
(24:47):
I don't think she was a full on victim here
because some of those adjectives just don't match up to me. Yeah,
I mean, she says it took her a while to
you know, uh, come to terms with this as sexual assault,
and I don't think it's at all clear to a
lot of people that it does necessarily qualify as that.
I think people are having an important conversation about consent,
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or at least I think that should be the main conversation.
The main takeaway is, you know, this is not how
to behave in a sexual you know context. I have
heard a lot of you know, men respond by being like, well,
as he's got railroaded, this is like not fair, and
like that's sort of been their reaction. I do think
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there's an important conversation to have about consent and just
the messages people get around consent. Uh. One of the
stars of The Good Place, jimil jamal Uh, talked about how,
you know, his behavior or at least some of the
behavior described in the story, seemed very like porny, and
(25:56):
that like porn sends men some really uh incorrect messages
about you know, how a sexual encounter should happen, and
you don't even really have to go to porn uh.
You know the Greece the one they're talking about, like
did she put up a fight or you know, the
(26:17):
whole Han Solo Princess Leia relationship and star Wars starts
with him like pushing her up against a wall and
being like you like bad boys and her being like
leave me alone, and you know, him basically forcing her
to you know, kiss him, and then it's like, ah,
that's what she wanted after all. Um. I do think
(26:38):
that that's something that men need to talk about more
with each other and with women, and so like, I
think there's a good conversation being had here um there,
and it's an important conversation uh to be had here.
I don't think people would be having it if she
hadn't publicly named who the man and was. You know,
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I don't think this article would have started that many conversations, right. Um.
At the same time, it does seem like I can
see how people would think it's unfair to him that
it this is now something that he's going to be
marked with. I would say that I I would agree
(27:22):
with that sentiment if this is the worst thing that
he's ever done and he's you know, completely innocent in
all other contexts. Uh. I guess time will tell if
if that's the case. Um, But yeah, I don't know.
I I do get how how people would see this
(27:43):
as being sort of uh, somebody getting railroaded in their career,
being sort of put done away with in a in
a situation where they don't necessarily deserve that. Um. I mean,
I don't feel bad for him, but I I think
that it's Um, A lot of people aren't examining the
other side of consent, which is also it's never on
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the woman, you know, because I think if you're in
a situation where the guy is totally respectful, there would
never ever be a question if there's any doubt they're
just back off, even to the point where he's over conversating,
the woman's like, oh my god, I'm frustrated, like blah
blah blah. That could happen, and that's better than the opposite.
But I do think like women also can um be
better about saying what they want, not that it's ever
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their full responsibility, because even if they don't say what
they want, you know, the guys being respectful, it will
never get to that point. But just like in light
of the climate right now, I don't think it's that
like in this case, he was an asshole, but he
did every time she said no, stop and every time
she said no, he backed off and even put on
his clothes again. Did he start back up again, Yes,
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So I think that was him being an asshole almost immediate.
But he gave her opportunities to leave. And I think
he did that because he didn't want to put her
in that, you know, really extreme situation. Did he know
he was pushing it? For sure? I'm sure he knows
he's famous, and I'm sure he's done that before two
other women and knows they usually are cool with it
in the end, right or whether they are or not,
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But that's how he feels. So I think, you know,
he has been an asshole there, but I don't think
he was not giving her way up, which is like
I don't know what I mean, like, I don't know.
It's a discussion, but I think it definitely um is
a different type of consent because it's sort of like
he was trying to give her a way to express
how she felt and she never did. And maybe some
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of that's ingrained as a young woman not wanting to
feel like a bit and not wanting to, you know,
have someone not like you. So some of that I
think we can change earlier on, right. So I think
that's another important conversation, right because men have to also
look at it like this. I'm sure there are times
like you know, like you said, and even like with
a lot of conversation I had with women this weekend
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talking about it, they've been like, well, I don't want
to just be like no, stop, shut the funk up,
this is done or whatever, because they they may like
the person, they just don't want to move that fast
and they don't want to come off, like you said,
like as a bitch or whatever. And I think that's
because men have probably created an environment for them that
if they if they shy away from advances or say no,
they're like, what the fun is you? Probably, and if
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that's the reaction men have, that's not good, you know
what I mean. And I think that's where people just
have to realize, Look, we're entering a new era right
where a lot of the things that were like you know, uh,
seemed acceptable or whatever or not. We're trying to evolve.
We're trying to say, like, hey, if a woman asks
you respectfully to say I'm not comfortable moving at this speed,
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then you, as a man, as a modern evolved humans,
should be like, I respect that, that's cool. Let's just
we go as fast as everybody can agree to. But
I think that's something too that men have to begin
respecting is sort of not seeing as like, you know,
being able to pick up if they say no, not
like well know, right now, let me let me see
what happens in twenty minutes, just being able to be like,
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all right, it's done, because the the opposite effect is
if you keep pushing, then you're going to you're going
to make this woman uncomfortable and that that person will
probably not want to date you. Subsequently, you have to
there's just there's just there's a I don't know. I
guess part of it is understanding that this is that
we have to we have to take people's words seriously
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to like, if someone's asked saying no, just be like
then that's in like you know, put your raging bone
or away, try and act like a fucking human. But
I guess, but yeah, like, but but I'm saying, like
the porn aspect has like the putting the fingers in
the mouth and like where you want me to fuck you?
Like that kind of stuff. Well like reeked of the
guy who watches a lot of poorn and it's like, oh,
I'm just learned about sex from Yeah, learned exactly like
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your first in your first interactions are learning how to
be intimate women. Your examples are just hardcore pornography, and
that can taint you. And as a famous person, I
can imagine that she's not used to people sort of
disabusing him of that notion, you know, And when she did,
he was he was surprised. But yeah, I don't know. Um.
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His apology also is something that got brought up a lot,
uh when in conversations you were having over the weekend,
and I mean I think just Dan Harmon gave a
really detailed apology last week that you know, I think
a lot of people in the me too movement kind
of looked at more like that's how you standardize, that's
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how you should apologize for uh, something that is, you know,
not super clear cut um and uh. I would just say,
like with the AZZ thing like that, that seems like,
you know, we should obviously give him a chance to
do that, but it is a like you should read
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both statements. And I think that Dan Harmon thing was
a little more clear cut though, And part of it
too is like we can't force an apology because of
the true apology like which I think Megan Gan was
the writer and she made a statement on it, and
the reason she accepted his apology wasn't because he apologized,
was because she felt he actually did learn the lesson
and she felt predicated. So I think when we try
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to get these men to apologize early, they just try
to say the right thing so that they can work again,
but they're not actually learning and they're not actually sorry.
And I don't think of these is in a place
where he's sorry. So if he says something now, I
wouldn't buy it. But Dan's statement about working through his
issues and actually understanding what they were and how it
was a different time of his life doesn't make it okay.
But you can tell he actually understood how he hurt
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people and did work through that. Because people aren't just
seeking apologies, right you want to do You want to
demonstrate that you have grown and you will not repeat
the behavior because you're demonstrating the self awareness to know,
this is what I did was shitty because I know
now because of these things. When you just say I'm
really sorry, that's just like when you're just trying to
get you when your your mom does something like oh
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you better say sorry, and you just say sorry because
you want to move on with you, like lam sorry.
But these these for these kinds of instances, you have
to show some kind of growth or self awareness for
people that yeah, like you say, to demonstrate that, okay,
this person understands. It's not just boilerplate apology. It's that
there was an awareness coming from what they do. It's
got a text from an X. I was just like,
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I'm sorry for everything, and I was like, oh, for
what can you elaborate? And then he was like, oh,
just for everything. I guess if you're not ready to
forgive me, then we can have a conversation later. And
I was like, I don't know, it could have been
at any number of specific things you did, but it
just read as like someone who didn't want to feel
like I was still mad and just wanted to be
like we're cool, right, Yeah, And so I think that's yeah,
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I don't know, I don't I'm not looking for those
types of apologies like James Franco. I don't know if
you saw his interview with Gosh which late night, Yeah,
it was maybe Seth Myers where he was confronted about it,
and he was confronted. I think I'm both. I'm Colbert
was the first one then, and he's he had a
really terrible reaction because he said all the right things,
but then you can poke so many holes in it,
(35:02):
Like he was like, I don't know why these women
would say that, and you know, I respect them. It's like, well,
if that was true, why didn't you, you know, public
respond or let's call them up. Like he's afraid to
actually talk about it because he is guilty, right, Yeah,
that that seems to be the differences. Dan Harmon acknowledge
what he did, acknowledge what he did was wrong, like
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saw it from the other people's perspective, Whereas I feel
like the disease and James Franco sort of statements are
then reaffirming what it looked like from their point of
view and then just like giving a blanket. But I
support the movement, and it's like that, I feel like
that doesn't really reflect any any improvement or any actual
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grappling with what is happening right This is I think
it's just a very important moment for this whole like
sea change that's occurring, right because now we're having the
more nuanced discussions before these people off top or like
just unequivocally just terrible people like you just knew, like
oh that's a rapist, that that's someone this is if
we're just going to take it, you know, on the
(36:09):
on the facts that we know, without considering what other
history there might be, and it's just like this guy
was an example of how to act like a shitty
guy on a date. Then do they get do they
deserve to be lumped in with this? Probably not um
But again I think the moment too is to we
want a cultural shift in the end, right, like all
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these any movement about like changes, about changing culture and
changing the like, you know, the way justice is administered
and things like that. And I guess I wonder is
that the next step because the shitty men and media list,
you know, she sort of touched on like why there's
a need for this and things like that, but eventually,
like the discussion has to be on like our own
(36:50):
judicial system too, right, and how to to like mediate
things like this that isn't just done sort of through
social media. There's a a little resistance, I think, to
this particular story because, um, I think a lot of women,
almost everybody I know, I'm sure has had an experience
like this, and a lot of us, uh, I don't
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want to look at it as a serious thing because
like you kind of separate it from the more serious things.
And then if all of a sudden, something like this
is something we're supposed to be really really upset about,
then I have to go back through my entire life
and be like, well, have I ever had a good
experience like and And so I think a lot of
women are resistant to labeling this or putting this in
the me too movement because they don't want to feel that.
(37:33):
They don't want to go back and like rewrite their
past essentially, you know, and some of them may be
in relationships with men who act this way. I don't
think men should act this way, but you know, it
definitely shifts your entire life if you've grown up knowing something. Yeah, well,
I think you know. We're trying to we're trying to
evolve right people. And the weirdest thing to me is
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that is he really felt like he knew what he
wasn't supposed to do. So maybe that's like that is
the most annoying part on him, Like he kind of
made sure not to cross the line and say all
the right things. Yeah, but he was walking a tight rope.
He's like taking advantage of the system. But it's like, Okay,
if you hire a babysitter and you know you want
someone who doesn't murder your kids, but what if your
babysitters like, I'm not a murder but just checking? Is
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it cool if I light the kids on fire and
you're like no, and why would you say that? And
they're like I knew that. I just want to check.
Would you hire that person? You probably prefer a person's like,
I'm just a good babysitter. I don't have to ask you. Yeah,
so you know, I don't know, Like there's definitely people
who are dancing along the lines and I'd rather we
all just like move into safe territory. And then he's
(38:40):
like dousing your kids and lighter fluid and has the
letter and he's like, no, is it not good? You
said no? Right, Yeah I knew that though, So I'm
not a murder but yeah, it's Yeah, this is why
I think it's been. This is one of the toughest
discussions we've had to have to around it because it
is it's it's so nuanced and it's forcing. Like the
(39:02):
next step of discussion is like what where do we
go from here? How how are we going to change it?
So we're in a in a world where hr and
like the police don't fail women either. Yeah, yeah, that's
I think that's a bigger conversation that we should probably
have soon about like what what is wrong with that
(39:23):
systems for adjudicating this? Uh not like we as a culture,
but we should talk about that. On the podcast, we've
kind of talked around it and been like and we
need to do this this way because the legal system
doesn't work and HR doesn't work, and we've kind of
mentioned it in passing on other episodes, but we should
also be the way it works now that the most
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women are inclined to believe that they going to the
police isn't a good thing, or trying to go to
the court is not will not get the outcome that
is needed, and I think that's that's troublesome too. We'll
just make penis is like those credit cards with chips
in them, so that they can just never figure it
out and they can't like feel like enter pin to
(40:03):
like have sex and or like a sorcerer. So you
could like summon a penis. You're like, like, that's how
you don't know it? Wait? Who can never figure it out?
The men? I don't know? Make a password protected? I wanna,
I wanna examine this idea. What encrypt your penises? You guys? Love? Yeah? Yeah,
(40:26):
men love bitcorn. Put it on the black right to
use it sexually, you need to put in the code
from the the other person involved in the scenario to
be like, yes, I'm unlocking the penis for use. Otherwise,
like Scott to stay in the case, everyone has to
be accountable for penis, sort of like the guns with
combination locks, right, exactly. That's a great idea. See, you
guys were changing the world, all right. Uh. And meanwhile
(40:50):
the president had an affair with a porn star, tried
to have a threesome with another porn star, uh the
year after he got married and while his wife was pregnant. Uh.
And nobody gives a ship because they're like, oh, yeah,
well we kind of but he's racist right now, we
already we put the sexual thing to bed or just
(41:12):
sex deviant to bed because now we're on But now
we're seeing that everyone. So many people are like that,
so it's like maybe they do relate him, right, Yeah.
If this was a Democrat, I mean we wouldn't Like
this would be the only thing in the news both
on Fox News and also like the New York Times
(41:34):
will be covering it, CNN will be covering it. Would
be top front page news. Uh if if a democratic
president had any sort of situation like this. But we
can't get lower, right, I mean the lower like we've
already done racism and sexual assault. I guess murder is
the next one where they will have to like laugh
off murder, like he didn't kill that guy. That guy
(41:56):
got in front of a bullet that he shot at him.
Like I it's just interesting to see all the logic
and even like Sarah Huckeby Sanders Day trying to justify
the racist ship where she was like, well, if he
was racist, how can we had a TV show on
NBC and how can these people ask him for money?
It's like, could it be that? Could that be? I
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don't know. Uh, all right, we're gonna take a quick break.
We'll be right back and we're back. Um. So, other
than the President's affair with uh Stormy Daniels, is that
(42:40):
Stormy Daniels? What a name? That's not even a good
porn no name. Allana Evans is another porn star who
Donald Trump and Stormy Daniels called up and we're like, hey,
come hang out with us in our hotel room at
the Trump American Century Celebrity Golf Championship, and like Tahoe,
but it beyond that we have wasn't she wasn't Stormy
(43:04):
Daniels and Alana Davis. They were there because they were
doing promotional ship for a company. I don't know, That's
what I read in this other thing. So his like
celebrity golf tournament had like Wicked Entertainment had a booth there,
which is why they were even there. So those are
kind of people who are setting up shop at your
celebrity golf tournament already. That's that's kind of weird anyway,
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but I leave that. I'll leave that there because like
in the photo of them from from apparently that weekend,
you can see like a Wicked Pictures like step and
repeat behind him. Is that the name of the point,
like the porn company? So clearly a porn company was
invited to participate in this or like some kind of
festivities around it, right anyway, that's something to think about. Um, yeah,
(43:49):
I know that there's also always like porn conventions happening
alongside more like quote legitimate events. Yeah that that used
to be Uh what's the Yes, they used to have
the like cs used to happen at the exact same
weekend in Vegas as like the main porn thing because
(44:13):
the overlap of Internet users, right, because porn basically drove
uvation and technology. So uh, they like had a sort
of informal agreement that they would have their conventions like
Blue Ray beat h D DVD because of porn, right, yes,
because I remember who are like h D DVD and
then they're like Blue Ray and then between porn and
(44:35):
PlayStation they picked a side and then like Blue Ray
became King. Yeah, and the rest is history. Um, but
we wanted to talk about this new edit of Star
Wars Last Jedi, the defeminized fan edit a k. The
chauvinist cut, which is the actual and how the guy
(44:56):
titled it um and he basically hut all the strong
female characters out of the Last Jedi. And in fact
he also cut down like you can't cut Ray completely
out of it since she's like the protagonist, but he
(45:17):
like cut scenes where she was shown having like really
impressive abilities to make her seem less impressive, which just
seems like so weird. Uh. There's also racism he quote
deleted quote China girl from the bombing scene at the
very beginning. Uh. And he cut Laura Dern's character so
(45:39):
that uh, and made the cut so that Oscar Isaac's
character that's a real heroic death. He like sacrifices himself
to win the day. What's crazy is the guy even
admits that this is unwatchable just so you know, like
he knows how bad it is. It's like, why did
you even go through the trouble of making this, because
when it's a fifty two minute film cut down to
(46:02):
forty six minutes, is he doing it like a joke
to make fun of like men complaining or is he
doing it because he hates the woman in it? I'm
pretty sure this is a guy who does not He's
like straight up men's rights activists. He's like, this is
how it should be, like a terrible film. I'm not
even sure what his goal is here. It's like the
real world isn't great enough for men. The fantasies I
(46:23):
have have to r um, but that is the world
that we exist in, where it's like, wait, is this
perfect satire or reality? Because like the two are really
hard to tell apart because he also does it like
from a bootleg like copy where the dude brought the
cam corder into the theater. Yeah, so that's already unwatchable. Yeah,
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and our writer JM pointed out that the very first
Star Wars opens with a strong female character standing up
to the villain. Right, So if you were to cut
like strong women out of the original Star Wars, it
would have been the story of you know, Luke Skywalker. Yeah,
but the internet back then, so I could my chest
out and be like women. Yeah, exactly, it was a
(47:06):
different time. You always talked about how insulted you were
by lay As standing up knowing her place in that
first movie. Um. Yeah, but the entire story is put
into motion by Prince's last standing up to the Empire.
The context isn't or history isn't important to these people, right,
Um it is. I So I didn't read the New
(47:29):
York Times piece, but uh I saw it. Uh? And
apparently so. Kathleen Kennedy founded the Story Group, the group
that is in charge of like developing all the Star
Wars stories. Yeah, like basically the entire universe. When she
took she succeeded George Lucas as president in two thousand
twelve of Lucasfilm and she put Curie Hart, a former
(47:52):
film and TV writer, in charge of the unit. And
her first move was to make the Story Group entirely female,
starting with Rain Roberts and carry back. So I don't
know that's I. I that is cool that there is
sort of a feminist bent to Uh you know the
story group and the people who are developing with stories.
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I'm surprised that hasn't gotten like more Star Wars. Idiot
men's rights people aren't like up in arms about that.
They're like focused on like this one. Do they know that?
Do they know that? Like I don't think they read
they have a fucking meltdown freend. Yeah. Uh, all right,
that is all the time we have, Teresa. It's been
(48:33):
a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find you?
Follow you? I'm on Twitter at Larresa t l e
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can people follow you? You can follow me on Twitter
(48:54):
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(49:15):
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Some fan favorites from The Daily Zageist have a podcast
that is wonderful. It's outstanding. Should go check it out
(49:39):
and Miles df a song to play us out on. Yeah,
I do just to go out. I want to play
a really dope cover of the Tame and Polo song
let It Happened by Meg mac Uh. This is from
Like a Version, which is like a dope YouTube series
you can watch artists who covers of other songs. Jeys
are very like downbeat version of Team Apollo song and
I think it's dope. So y'all just check that out.
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So we're gonna write out on that. We will be
back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast talk together.
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Hello the Internet, and welcome to season fourteen, episode one
of DOS Daily's eight Guys. January six, two thousand eight teen.
My name is Jack O'Brien. A kay little ditty about
Jack O'Brian Andrew Thomas, and I am joined by my
cost Mr Miles Gray. I don't know what to say
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since you sang, but because of the events of the weekend,
I'm gonna have to say, it's in your head some
gray salm Gray som Gray, Hey, thank you. I thought
that was gonna keep going. No, no, that was that
was for the Homie Dilors. Weirded died suddenly, very tragically,
(00:43):
And if you're anybody who was conscious in the nineties,
there's no way you can say The Cranberries was a
bad band because pivotal they gave us a lot there
important and she is amazing many emotional moments when I
was like thirteen year old. We're had with with the
Cranberries and we are thrilled to be joining our third
teat by the hilarious comedian and writer Teresa Lee. Hi.
(01:06):
You guys always have such cool like intros nicknames, and
I was trying to take up one, but I said,
come on, it's like, you know, there's always a stream
of like it's me, I'm the doctor and the of
the h and I'm just like I'm the like I
see Larisa t that's your Twitter handle. I'm sorry, I
(01:30):
just I don't have Teresa. What's something from your search
history that is revealing about who you are? Oh? Um,
I recently searched can you give a cat dog food? Well?
I don't have a cat full disclaimer, but I have
a dog and dog food. And there was a straight
cat out on my door. Um, and it was cold
(01:54):
and rainy, and the cat was a kitten and it
looks sad and it kept following me like it wouldn't
want me in. So I was like, maybe maybe it's hungry.
But I don't have catfood. I was like, oh, have
dog food? Can I eat it? And they can't. So
they can't eat dog food no, but they can eat eggs.
So I made the cat eggs. But then she ran
(02:14):
away because my dog barked her. So I think she's fine,
we'll see Wait so wait, you can't give wait why
can't you give a cat dog food? The Internet said
you can't. It said it's not digestible for them. It's
processed for them. How do you some dog? Full disclosure? Right?
So I have I have I have two cats and
(02:35):
a dog, and the other day, like I make all
their food at the same time and they know it's
like it's feeding time, and in a rush through the
cat threw the dog food the bull. They all use
the same bull, so are not the same bull, but
the same kind of bull. I put the cat food
in front of the dog and the dog in front
of the cat, and I only realized like later, for
my girlfriend did and I was like, why did you
(02:57):
give the cat dogs? I was like, oh, ship and
the cat they didn't eat much of it, so maybe
that's why. Because even the cat was like, no, I'm
not really working with this, even though it's like I
have to go, I give like my dog raw dog
food because you're bad allergies, so I thought maybe they
would respect it, so I didn't know. Maybe if it's raw,
it's okay. Also, I feel like your pets are um
like X men pets, because didn't your dog eat a
bunch of chocolate? And hey, look, why why am I chocolate?
(03:20):
And he was fine, he was fine. My dog has
eaten like change packages of chocolate and yeah, fine, my
dog has an iron stomach. Because the thing is, as
I read in a panic Google search, it's clearly it's
the darker the chocolate the more dangerous. And like Baker's chocolate,
I think is the most fatal because it's just like
but milk chocolate and white chocolate brown lines are really
(03:41):
bad chocolate cake or really bad like anything you're baking.
Baker's chocolate would imply. It's like the natural state of Yeah,
so we're fine, We're all good pet owners here. Also, coffee,
you shouldn't give them coffee. That toxic like both babies
and dogs, I'm told. Is yeah, good to know for
all the parents that were one out there, don't give
your baby's coffee. My my friend has two cats, and
(04:04):
like my dog, it just exists to eat human food
like it is not It does not come off as
very intelligent. I brought him to the office a couple
of times, and uh, you guys can attest to the
fact that he doesn't come off as like, you know,
a very human, humanly intelligent dog. He just kind of
sits there and snores, well he's awake, and uh he
(04:27):
but he becomes like a genius when it comes to
getting food. So I expected this from dogs. But I
went over to my friend's house who had cats, and
their cat like jumped up on the counter and like
took a whole like turkey, and its mouth was like
like just fucking ate the whole things like crazy. Tried
to eat a loaf of wonder bread. Really yeah, and
(04:47):
I was like I heard in the kitchen. I look
and they're just like biting the eating the plastic on
the outside of the loaf. I was like, yea, yeah,
I didn't realize. Cats don't ask what I'm buying wonderbread.
Cats get down like that, Teresa, what's something that's overridden? Um?
I feel like a lot of people want to agree
with me, But I think the movie Lady Bird was
all right and everyone is raving about it. I watched
(05:11):
it pretty early before I saw too much about it.
So maybe if I watched it again now knowing I'm
supposed to like it all, like it better. But it
didn't not like it. It just it felt very like
I've seen this before. Well, you are somebody from northern
California who went to m y U, right, Yeah, maybe
I related too much to exactly what the movie is about.
Did you go to Catholic high school too? I went
(05:32):
for one year, but I was a brat to my mom,
So maybe it's struck too close to home. Right. It's
funny because other friends I haven't seen it yet, but
I was just talking about my my friend Brittany, who
were from California. We did go to Catholic high school,
and she was like, it felt so real to me
that she wasn't even like it was great. She's like,
it just felt really real. But I don't know. So
you're saying it's overrated merely because there's a lot of hype,
(05:53):
but it doesn't you You're not saying it quite adds
up to part of it. Yeah, maybe part of it
is I'm biased because it's a story I've seen so
many times and now that i've yeah, perhaps it's like
that I've seen it in life so many times. But
I also think um by itself, it I don't know.
The stakes never felt that high. It never felt like
it was that original of a story. It's just another
(06:14):
coming of age story. It feels like something I'm like,
I enjoyed it in the moment, but in five years
I will forget and not care about it interesting, what's
something that's underraging? Oh, I love the show with the
marvelous Mrs Masal. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't heard
too much about it. I think people like it generally,
but I feel like it's it's been so far a
very enjoyable show that I have been wanting. Like my
(06:36):
my gauge of a good show for me is when
I'm done with an episode, even if I don't have time,
I'll like watch the next one. And I've been doing that,
So yeah, it's it's good. I mean, I think the
one of the reasons I really like it too is
I feel like it really captures like the like the
psychological struggle of someone doing comedy too, of like getting
the requisite confidence to go up on stage and then
(06:57):
like working your material but like stray from the thing
that makes you funny and then refinding that. I don't know,
there's a lot of I just found it very watchable
and very entertained, despite the fact that like most of
like what the the last show Amy Sherman paland United
Gilmore Girls like she writes very privileged characters like where
with people of humendous are humanitous tremendous humanity. Let's let's
(07:21):
make some tea shirts of that, please. Uh, But like,
like these people have tremendous and humongous familial safety nets
of like you know, like in The Gilmore Girls, parents
are massively wealthy. Even in this show, parents are quite wealthy.
But I don't think that detracts from anything or takes
anything away from the show. But you know, Noah Garden
Swords former guests. He consults on that show, so you know,
(07:42):
shout out to him because they want to go and
globe to tell people what it's like to be a
stand up comedian. Yeah, like him and Jen Kirkman were consultants,
I think to to sort of give their view as
stand ups to the writers. And I think Noah being like, uh,
you know, he said what basketball is to your family
like Judaism is to his grandfather is a legendary rabbi.
So I think he was able to give many insights
(08:03):
to them. But yeah, well, I also think the biggest
thing for that show isn't just about because at first
going into it was like, I don't like watching shows
about stand ups, But it's not about just her doing
stand up. Like the manager Susie character great, and I
feel like that's a sidey you don't see a lot.
And I like their relationship and I almost feel like
more women are people will be interested in going to
management from that show, which is cool because it's not
(08:24):
just another Hey everyone comedy is great be a comedian,
right right, right? So yeah, and she's like great of
like forcing her like to the most honest comedy out
of her two as like the manager Yeah, good show. Yeah,
and also like the weird like Lenny Bruce, like he's
kind of like in there and like just around um
is the comedy? Good is her comedy? Laugh? You like
(08:47):
her comedy. They do a good job of making it
realistic where you can they write it in a way
where she's supposed to be funny. You can see that
she has raw talent, but she's not like unbelievably good.
When she starts, she's definitely you know, has it's very raw, right, Cool, Well,
I will definitely check that out. That's on Amazon. Cool.
All right, let's get into the format. We're trying to
(09:08):
take a sample of the ideas that are out there
changing the world, talking about pop culture, the news and
just try and take a temperature of the global shared consciousness.
And the way we like to open up is by
asking our guest, what's a myth? What's something that most
people believe to be true that you know to be
false or you know incorrect. Teresa, Well, Um, I am
(09:31):
a twin, and a lot of people think that when
you're twins it's like having a clone and that you
guys are the same and that everything is easier because
you can just do you know, have the work, and
it's not true. It's actually much harder because you have
to prove that your separate people all the time, constantly
trying to prove your individuality. And yeah, my sister is
(09:52):
much more cool than me. She's very talented and cool
and tries hard and cooler than you. She's like the guys,
there's a post selfie is running, But like you don't
get mad at her because she's like, bless a day,
and you're like, so she can get away with that use.
She's a musician, so I feel like they're much more
genuine in their craft, right right, But yeah, I actually
(10:13):
recently went to a fortune teller in Taiwan, and she
went with me to help me translate because I don't
speak that great Chinese, and they told me like all
this stuff about my relationships that's not great. And then
at the end we were like, well, is it the
same because we're twins, and the fortune teller was like, no, actually,
you're two minutes apart, and she's complete opposite. Seems like
she's very lucky and at constantly getting into good relationships,
(10:39):
stable dirty. But the thing is the fortune teller was right.
I thought she was gonna be like, you're the same,
and I would be like, gotcha right, the same, that's
right because at one time I thought I saw Teresa
and I think it was her sister in a parking
lot at my old job. When I called, like Rosie,
I was like, yo, I think I start to so
(11:00):
and then you were like that might have been my sister.
And I had no idea how to twin, and I
was like, that makes sense. I probably saw the twin.
Did your sister live in town? She did, but she
moved to Taiwan a few months ago. But at that
time she was right, this was like a year ago probably, right?
Is that hard being a part? Like because you guys
can feel each other's pain, and yeah, I'm constantly that's
(11:20):
why I'm like sleepwalking, because she's sleeping right, and she's
having the craziest dreams. Like were you in a podcast?
I had that dream? All right, let's get into stories. Uh.
We had a quasi crisis over the weekend in Hawaii
and our westernmost state. I guess, I guess Alaska's our
(11:42):
westernmost date is I think so, yeah, But Hawaii's way
out there and uh, far out, far out man and
you know, just surfing, hanging loose. And they got an
alert at eight around eight am that said a ballistic
missile was incoming and uh, oh yeah, see commediate shelter.
(12:04):
This is not a drill, which is whoops. Uh yeah,
it was a mistake. Um, as people probably know by now,
due to the fact that we're not in a thermonuclear war,
nuclear war, nuclear nuclear Uh but yeah, it was I
don't know. For thirty eight minutes, everybody was miles You said,
(12:26):
you know some people who live in Hawaii, and they
were just my girlfriend's college roommate is from Hawaii and
lives out there, and like she was saying, like it
was wild. Like they were calling each other being like hey,
like if we don't make it, like I love you, Like,
like really people were forced to examine their mortality like
in those thirty eight minutes, and like her friend's sister
lives in the mainland and is the only one that
(12:47):
is on the mainland right now, so she was out there.
Her parents were calling her like, hey, the missile might come,
and like like someone on her sister was like having
a meltdown too, because she thought everybody in her family
was just about to be like who knows what was
to happen. It sounds like a very traumatic situation for
people who were involved. Uh all because it was a
mistake and we have outdated software to you know, sort
(13:09):
of moderate all this kind of stuff. And I mean,
I guess people could have figured out that it was
a mistake when they weren't dead after five minutes, which
is apparently how long it would take for the missile
too get from North Korea. That's a five minutes. Why yeah, yeah,
so you have five minutes. So I really use that
(13:31):
phone call, that first phone call carefully. Um it's it's
a crazy story. Um. This is something that we covered
a lot back a Cracked. How many times during the
Cold War there were just these near misses where you know,
one like glitch would happen. They'd leave a tape in
(13:51):
sort of the um norad, like the big defense room
that like you've seen in movies where it's like all
these screens and stuff. They once left a tape in
there that was a drill for a nuclear attack and
they actually like had the president like up in the
air and everybody was freaking out, like getting ready to
(14:12):
launch weapons. Uh. There's this story about stan as La Petrov,
this guy in Russia who you know, was the guy
who was in charge of if there was a missile incoming.
He was too like call the command and say launch
launch an attack on the United States. He saw one
(14:33):
missile and he was like, all right, that could be
a glitch. And then like twelve missiles followed like exactly
in the form formation that you would expect coming from
the United States. And for whatever reason he just decided like, Okay,
well I'm not going to end the world. I feel
like this, this doesn't feel quite right. And he was right.
(14:53):
It was like a son glare or something like that.
Um but they a sungler looked like twelve missiles. Yeah,
it was like fucked with them. Like the satellite radar yeah,
but he basically saved the world by not doing his job.
By failing to do his job. Um, and yeah, could
(15:17):
you imagine if like we reacted to this then the
wrong way where it's like, oh, ship, I guess it's
going off. And then because it happened in Japan too,
like on Sunday or I think, yeah, or maybe two
more of the timeline, it's kind of weird, but anyway, yeah,
I think it was Sunday or maybe Monday anyway in
Japan that it was another fake warning of like a
(15:37):
seek shelter, but they got they got like the just
kidding alert out like within a couple of minutes, so
it wasn't a full blown, like forty minutes of like
existential dread like the poor people in Hawaii did. But yeah,
the guy who did it burned me Agi shout out
to Mr mi Agi. He felt terrible about the mistake,
which I'm sure he would because after here, like you
could see there's like a photo he looked like really
(15:59):
like I funked up so bad. I'm so sorry. But yeah,
when you look at the interface that he was using,
it's just like literally clicking a link to send one out.
That's like they're not like properly organized. I could see
how you if you weren't on your ship you might
accidentally hit that we I mean, yeah, the technology is
just crazy out of date, like surrounding all nuclear weapons
(16:22):
and uh yeah, it's just the hardware and software. Uh
sixty minutes to a story about it, and you look
at it, it's like out of an eighties movie. It
looks like an eighties movie. A lot of the technology
that they have both guarding and controlling nuclear weapons. Was
he trying to send anything he was supposed to do?
(16:43):
I think a test, A test you're supposed to that
says like drill, right, you know, oh my god. That's
like when you accidentally screenshot a conversation and then send
it to the person you're talking to, right, You're like damn,
I just yeah, I'm like it was it was a mustark. Yeah.
(17:04):
That happens probably hundreds of thousands of times every day,
Like and yeah, so we shouldn't have technology that makes
it possible for people to do that with uh nuclear weapon.
I mean, how many people you think involved in that
like took stock of like their relationships to like how
many breakups do you think happened after this like missile warning,
where it was like, you're honestly like in that thirty
(17:26):
eight minutes, I thought like if somebody I was really
trying to be dating or like the fact that we're
kind of done and I still haven't done anything yet,
I'm sorry, this is I took stock of my life
in those curtain minutes, and this isn't gonna work out.
I feel like there has to be something people just
come clean with, like death confessions. Someone needs to option
this story already. I mean, it's a it's a rom
com for yeah, for sure. Um yeah, and Trump was
(17:51):
apparently golfing so right, and just like in thank God,
he's like they knew within minutes, right that it was
a fake thing. They told him, and he was kind
of all right, you could have tweeted something. A lot
of people follow your Twitter, so I'm sure you could
have probably put some people at ease. But I didn't
send out a correction right forty minutes. It took him
(18:14):
to be like, oh, false alarm, my bad. So yeah,
they're there now saying that people will know when it's
a real one because they'll send a follow up being
like and seriously, we didn't funk up this time that
this is an actual then you have to enter a code.
Yeah right, you're not a bot like what Anyways, all right,
(18:39):
we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back
after these messages and we're back. So we wanted to
talk about the thing that I don't know a lot
of people around me. We're talking about everybody. Men Ghazi, Yeah,
(19:03):
men Ghazi question mark uh so zazon Zari. There was
a article written in was that Babe dot com? Babe
dot com where somebody described a date with him that
was where he acted uh pretty shittaly and um, it
(19:26):
kind of got lumped in with the Me Too movement,
which you know, there are some debates about whether it
should have. So we wanted to talk about that kind
of This is probably the most controversial of the public
sort of interrogations of famous men um and like even
(19:48):
the Me too movement, and you know, people who consider
themselves feminists are being divided by this. So I don't
know what where did you guys fall this? Oh yeah,
I um god, I feel like everything I say I'm
going to get backlash. But I think first of all,
I feel like I'm I'm not defending as either. I
(20:11):
feel like everything he did, you know, he could have
done better for sure. But I do kind of think
this article confounds the movement a little bit because I
wouldn't put it in the same category. It doesn't mean she,
I think the the I don't know. She wasn't the author,
the tipper. The tipper, the victim subject of the subject
(20:32):
of the article has every right to share her story,
um as anybody you know can at any time share
this story and um, you know, whatever line of works
she maybe and it doesn't matter. But I do think that, um,
this story to me falls under more like dating horror story,
which is also a store you can share. But I
think putting it in the same category as like Luis c.
(20:53):
K or like Kevin Spacey or you know, any men
who have raped or assaulted in a more I don't
want to be like a more serious sense, because you
know that's subjective, but in a legally more serious sense.
I think putting this together um has been is more
damaging for the overall movement. Though I do think women
(21:15):
should talk to each other, so I think it's good
that she is talking about it. I feel that it
is taken away from the more serious stories, right, Well,
it seems like to be like there are people who
have believed this means as he's and sorry is canceled
and get rid of them, throw them on the pile
with the rest of like the sex crimson. And then
(21:35):
there are other people who were more feeling like they
were more mod I guess they were moderates, so to speak,
like within how they felt to approach this. I mean,
I think clearly this is an example of how to
not treat a woman on a date, right, And I
think that is that's very clear. There's no like defending that.
(21:56):
And I think, yeah, it's interesting to see how there's
begun to be in fighting because some people are saying
he's done, get rid of them, and other people like well,
and then it's caused people to turn on each other
and it's become very divisive. I mean, like even like
Margaret Atwood got like flamed because she was talking about
another thing having to do with uh, you know, like
(22:17):
due process. And I think the due process argument has
become a thing that people have been I think that's
like the sort of not logical next step in this
discussion is clearly the me too movement is born out
of the fact that the legal system has failed women,
and that's why there is a need to figure out
how to hold people accountable because they can't do that
in the legal like the traditional justice judicial system since
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and I think that what this brings up is another
conversation around how do we create a system that is
just for the victim, because clearly the way it is
now it's not working. And I think that's like another
I guess that's the next step of this conversation, like
for me getting into like whether or not as he
should be can sort or whatever. That's like an other
(23:01):
more nuanced debate because I don't I don't even know
how the funk we should even talk about, right well,
I mean, at the end of the day, that like
the cancel stuff and the job stuff that's all gonna
when people don't see this when they're blogging, But that
all comes down to business, and that's like, you know,
business people are gonna make their decisions based on what's
good for business. So when they cancel something, they do
it because they don't think it's good for business, or
maybe they have a moral sense, who knows, But ultimately
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I don't think that's the way to fight sexual assault
is just by ruining people's careers, because what happens in
your face with someone who doesn't have a career. So
I think we need to figure out a better way.
Like you're saying justice wise, but in this case, like
what justice does you want? I I that's what The
part that gets me about the story is like she's
not really looking for justice, and it's hard because she's
(23:43):
not the one writing it. So very possible the writer
has her own agenda, um, But to me, it reads
like a story where the writer wanted to get involved
and maybe take advantage of a time when she knew
she could get used on this story, and it didn't
feel like it was necessarily helping the woman in the story.
It doesn't seem like there's any call to action, um,
(24:05):
not even really a call for men to be better.
It just feels like a like a juicy, gossipy story, honestly.
And the part that rang the most like off to
me was how she describes as ease as like gross
when he's just kissing her, not even like the sex stuff,
And that to me reasons like I don't want to
be like because I don't know her and this is secondhand,
(24:25):
But it seems like if you went on a date
with him, like why would you describe him as a
person as gross before any of this stuff happened. It
really feels like maybe she wanted a story I want
to go on the stay and then didn't want to
go that far. He didn't act correctly either, so that
made it harder for her to just get out of
the situation. So I don't think he was right, But
(24:47):
I don't think she was a full on victim here
because some of those adjectives just don't match up to me. Yeah,
I mean, she says it took her a while to
you know, uh, come to terms with this as sexual assault,
and I don't think it's at all clear to a
lot of people that it does necessarily qualify as that.
I think people are having an important conversation about consent,
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or at least I think that should be the main conversation.
The main takeaway is, you know, this is not how
to behave in a sexual you know context. I have
heard a lot of you know, men respond by being like, well,
as he's got railroaded, this is like not fair, and
like that's sort of been their reaction. I do think
(25:33):
there's an important conversation to have about consent and just
the messages people get around consent. Uh. One of the
stars of The Good Place, jimil jamal Uh, talked about how,
you know, his behavior or at least some of the
behavior described in the story, seemed very like porny, and
(25:56):
that like porn sends men some really uh incorrect messages
about you know, how a sexual encounter should happen, and
you don't even really have to go to porn uh.
You know the Greece the one they're talking about, like
did she put up a fight or you know, the
(26:17):
whole Han Solo Princess Leia relationship and star Wars starts
with him like pushing her up against a wall and
being like you like bad boys and her being like
leave me alone, and you know, him basically forcing her
to you know, kiss him, and then it's like, ah,
that's what she wanted after all. Um. I do think
(26:38):
that that's something that men need to talk about more
with each other and with women, and so like, I
think there's a good conversation being had here um there,
and it's an important conversation uh to be had here.
I don't think people would be having it if she
hadn't publicly named who the man and was. You know,
(27:01):
I don't think this article would have started that many conversations, right. Um.
At the same time, it does seem like I can
see how people would think it's unfair to him that
it this is now something that he's going to be
marked with. I would say that I I would agree
(27:22):
with that sentiment if this is the worst thing that
he's ever done and he's you know, completely innocent in
all other contexts. Uh. I guess time will tell if
if that's the case. Um, But yeah, I don't know.
I I do get how how people would see this
(27:43):
as being sort of uh, somebody getting railroaded in their career,
being sort of put done away with in a in
a situation where they don't necessarily deserve that. Um. I mean,
I don't feel bad for him, but I I think
that it's Um, A lot of people aren't examining the
other side of consent, which is also it's never on
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the woman, you know, because I think if you're in
a situation where the guy is totally respectful, there would
never ever be a question if there's any doubt they're
just back off, even to the point where he's over conversating,
the woman's like, oh my god, I'm frustrated, like blah
blah blah. That could happen, and that's better than the opposite.
But I do think like women also can um be
better about saying what they want, not that it's ever
(28:29):
their full responsibility, because even if they don't say what
they want, you know, the guys being respectful, it will
never get to that point. But just like in light
of the climate right now, I don't think it's that
like in this case, he was an asshole, but he
did every time she said no, stop and every time
she said no, he backed off and even put on
his clothes again. Did he start back up again, Yes,
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So I think that was him being an asshole almost immediate.
But he gave her opportunities to leave. And I think
he did that because he didn't want to put her
in that, you know, really extreme situation. Did he know
he was pushing it? For sure? I'm sure he knows
he's famous, and I'm sure he's done that before two
other women and knows they usually are cool with it
in the end, right or whether they are or not,
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But that's how he feels. So I think, you know,
he has been an asshole there, but I don't think
he was not giving her way up, which is like
I don't know what I mean, like, I don't know.
It's a discussion, but I think it definitely um is
a different type of consent because it's sort of like
he was trying to give her a way to express
how she felt and she never did. And maybe some
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of that's ingrained as a young woman not wanting to
feel like a bit and not wanting to, you know,
have someone not like you. So some of that I
think we can change earlier on, right. So I think
that's another important conversation, right because men have to also
look at it like this. I'm sure there are times
like you know, like you said, and even like with
a lot of conversation I had with women this weekend
(29:55):
talking about it, they've been like, well, I don't want
to just be like no, stop, shut the funk up,
this is done or whatever, because they they may like
the person, they just don't want to move that fast
and they don't want to come off, like you said,
like as a bitch or whatever. And I think that's
because men have probably created an environment for them that
if they if they shy away from advances or say no,
they're like, what the fun is you? Probably, and if
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that's the reaction men have, that's not good, you know
what I mean. And I think that's where people just
have to realize, Look, we're entering a new era right
where a lot of the things that were like you know, uh,
seemed acceptable or whatever or not. We're trying to evolve.
We're trying to say, like, hey, if a woman asks
you respectfully to say I'm not comfortable moving at this speed,
(30:37):
then you, as a man, as a modern evolved humans,
should be like, I respect that, that's cool. Let's just
we go as fast as everybody can agree to. But
I think that's something too that men have to begin
respecting is sort of not seeing as like, you know,
being able to pick up if they say no, not
like well know, right now, let me let me see
what happens in twenty minutes, just being able to be like,
(30:58):
all right, it's done, because the the opposite effect is
if you keep pushing, then you're going to you're going
to make this woman uncomfortable and that that person will
probably not want to date you. Subsequently, you have to
there's just there's just there's a I don't know. I
guess part of it is understanding that this is that
we have to we have to take people's words seriously
(31:19):
to like, if someone's asked saying no, just be like
then that's in like you know, put your raging bone
or away, try and act like a fucking human. But
I guess, but yeah, like, but but I'm saying, like
the porn aspect has like the putting the fingers in
the mouth and like where you want me to fuck you?
Like that kind of stuff. Well like reeked of the
guy who watches a lot of poorn and it's like, oh,
I'm just learned about sex from Yeah, learned exactly like
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your first in your first interactions are learning how to
be intimate women. Your examples are just hardcore pornography, and
that can taint you. And as a famous person, I
can imagine that she's not used to people sort of
disabusing him of that notion, you know, And when she did,
he was he was surprised. But yeah, I don't know. Um.
(32:04):
His apology also is something that got brought up a lot,
uh when in conversations you were having over the weekend,
and I mean I think just Dan Harmon gave a
really detailed apology last week that you know, I think
a lot of people in the me too movement kind
of looked at more like that's how you standardize, that's
(32:28):
how you should apologize for uh, something that is, you know,
not super clear cut um and uh. I would just say,
like with the AZZ thing like that, that seems like,
you know, we should obviously give him a chance to
do that, but it is a like you should read
(32:51):
both statements. And I think that Dan Harmon thing was
a little more clear cut though, And part of it
too is like we can't force an apology because of
the true apology like which I think Megan Gan was
the writer and she made a statement on it, and
the reason she accepted his apology wasn't because he apologized,
was because she felt he actually did learn the lesson
and she felt predicated. So I think when we try
(33:13):
to get these men to apologize early, they just try
to say the right thing so that they can work again,
but they're not actually learning and they're not actually sorry.
And I don't think of these is in a place
where he's sorry. So if he says something now, I
wouldn't buy it. But Dan's statement about working through his
issues and actually understanding what they were and how it
was a different time of his life doesn't make it okay.
But you can tell he actually understood how he hurt
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people and did work through that. Because people aren't just
seeking apologies, right you want to do You want to
demonstrate that you have grown and you will not repeat
the behavior because you're demonstrating the self awareness to know,
this is what I did was shitty because I know
now because of these things. When you just say I'm
really sorry, that's just like when you're just trying to
get you when your your mom does something like oh
(33:58):
you better say sorry, and you just say sorry because
you want to move on with you, like lam sorry.
But these these for these kinds of instances, you have
to show some kind of growth or self awareness for
people that yeah, like you say, to demonstrate that, okay,
this person understands. It's not just boilerplate apology. It's that
there was an awareness coming from what they do. It's
got a text from an X. I was just like,
(34:18):
I'm sorry for everything, and I was like, oh, for
what can you elaborate? And then he was like, oh,
just for everything. I guess if you're not ready to
forgive me, then we can have a conversation later. And
I was like, I don't know, it could have been
at any number of specific things you did, but it
just read as like someone who didn't want to feel
like I was still mad and just wanted to be
like we're cool, right, Yeah, And so I think that's yeah,
(34:41):
I don't know, I don't I'm not looking for those
types of apologies like James Franco. I don't know if
you saw his interview with Gosh which late night, Yeah,
it was maybe Seth Myers where he was confronted about it,
and he was confronted. I think I'm both. I'm Colbert
was the first one then, and he's he had a
really terrible reaction because he said all the right things,
but then you can poke so many holes in it,
(35:02):
Like he was like, I don't know why these women
would say that, and you know, I respect them. It's like, well,
if that was true, why didn't you, you know, public
respond or let's call them up. Like he's afraid to
actually talk about it because he is guilty, right, Yeah,
that that seems to be the differences. Dan Harmon acknowledge
what he did, acknowledge what he did was wrong, like
(35:23):
saw it from the other people's perspective, Whereas I feel
like the disease and James Franco sort of statements are
then reaffirming what it looked like from their point of
view and then just like giving a blanket. But I
support the movement, and it's like that, I feel like
that doesn't really reflect any any improvement or any actual
(35:47):
grappling with what is happening right This is I think
it's just a very important moment for this whole like
sea change that's occurring, right because now we're having the
more nuanced discussions before these people off top or like
just unequivocally just terrible people like you just knew, like
oh that's a rapist, that that's someone this is if
we're just going to take it, you know, on the
(36:09):
on the facts that we know, without considering what other
history there might be, and it's just like this guy
was an example of how to act like a shitty
guy on a date. Then do they get do they
deserve to be lumped in with this? Probably not um
But again I think the moment too is to we
want a cultural shift in the end, right, like all
(36:29):
these any movement about like changes, about changing culture and
changing the like, you know, the way justice is administered
and things like that. And I guess I wonder is
that the next step because the shitty men and media list,
you know, she sort of touched on like why there's
a need for this and things like that, but eventually,
like the discussion has to be on like our own
(36:50):
judicial system too, right, and how to to like mediate
things like this that isn't just done sort of through
social media. There's a a little resistance, I think, to
this particular story because, um, I think a lot of women,
almost everybody I know, I'm sure has had an experience
like this, and a lot of us, uh, I don't
(37:11):
want to look at it as a serious thing because
like you kind of separate it from the more serious things.
And then if all of a sudden, something like this
is something we're supposed to be really really upset about,
then I have to go back through my entire life
and be like, well, have I ever had a good
experience like and And so I think a lot of
women are resistant to labeling this or putting this in
the me too movement because they don't want to feel that.
(37:33):
They don't want to go back and like rewrite their
past essentially, you know, and some of them may be
in relationships with men who act this way. I don't
think men should act this way, but you know, it
definitely shifts your entire life if you've grown up knowing something. Yeah, well,
I think you know. We're trying to we're trying to
evolve right people. And the weirdest thing to me is
(37:54):
that is he really felt like he knew what he
wasn't supposed to do. So maybe that's like that is
the most annoying part on him, Like he kind of
made sure not to cross the line and say all
the right things. Yeah, but he was walking a tight rope.
He's like taking advantage of the system. But it's like, Okay,
if you hire a babysitter and you know you want
someone who doesn't murder your kids, but what if your
babysitters like, I'm not a murder but just checking? Is
(38:17):
it cool if I light the kids on fire and
you're like no, and why would you say that? And
they're like I knew that. I just want to check.
Would you hire that person? You probably prefer a person's like,
I'm just a good babysitter. I don't have to ask you. Yeah,
so you know, I don't know, Like there's definitely people
who are dancing along the lines and I'd rather we
all just like move into safe territory. And then he's
(38:40):
like dousing your kids and lighter fluid and has the
letter and he's like, no, is it not good? You
said no? Right, Yeah I knew that though, So I'm
not a murder but yeah, it's Yeah, this is why
I think it's been. This is one of the toughest
discussions we've had to have to around it because it
is it's it's so nuanced and it's forcing. Like the
(39:02):
next step of discussion is like what where do we
go from here? How how are we going to change it?
So we're in a in a world where hr and
like the police don't fail women either. Yeah, yeah, that's
I think that's a bigger conversation that we should probably
have soon about like what what is wrong with that
(39:23):
systems for adjudicating this? Uh not like we as a culture,
but we should talk about that. On the podcast, we've
kind of talked around it and been like and we
need to do this this way because the legal system
doesn't work and HR doesn't work, and we've kind of
mentioned it in passing on other episodes, but we should
also be the way it works now that the most
(39:43):
women are inclined to believe that they going to the
police isn't a good thing, or trying to go to
the court is not will not get the outcome that
is needed, and I think that's that's troublesome too. We'll
just make penis is like those credit cards with chips
in them, so that they can just never figure it
out and they can't like feel like enter pin to
(40:03):
like have sex and or like a sorcerer. So you
could like summon a penis. You're like, like, that's how
you don't know it? Wait? Who can never figure it out?
The men? I don't know? Make a password protected? I wanna,
I wanna examine this idea. What encrypt your penises? You guys? Love? Yeah? Yeah,
(40:26):
men love bitcorn. Put it on the black right to
use it sexually, you need to put in the code
from the the other person involved in the scenario to
be like, yes, I'm unlocking the penis for use. Otherwise,
like Scott to stay in the case, everyone has to
be accountable for penis, sort of like the guns with
combination locks, right, exactly. That's a great idea. See, you
guys were changing the world, all right. Uh. And meanwhile
(40:50):
the president had an affair with a porn star, tried
to have a threesome with another porn star, uh the
year after he got married and while his wife was pregnant. Uh.
And nobody gives a ship because they're like, oh, yeah,
well we kind of but he's racist right now, we
already we put the sexual thing to bed or just
(41:12):
sex deviant to bed because now we're on But now
we're seeing that everyone. So many people are like that,
so it's like maybe they do relate him, right, Yeah.
If this was a Democrat, I mean we wouldn't Like
this would be the only thing in the news both
on Fox News and also like the New York Times
(41:34):
will be covering it, CNN will be covering it. Would
be top front page news. Uh if if a democratic
president had any sort of situation like this. But we
can't get lower, right, I mean the lower like we've
already done racism and sexual assault. I guess murder is
the next one where they will have to like laugh
off murder, like he didn't kill that guy. That guy
(41:56):
got in front of a bullet that he shot at him.
Like I it's just interesting to see all the logic
and even like Sarah Huckeby Sanders Day trying to justify
the racist ship where she was like, well, if he
was racist, how can we had a TV show on
NBC and how can these people ask him for money?
It's like, could it be that? Could that be? I
(42:17):
don't know. Uh, all right, we're gonna take a quick break.
We'll be right back and we're back. Um. So, other
than the President's affair with uh Stormy Daniels, is that
(42:40):
Stormy Daniels? What a name? That's not even a good
porn no name. Allana Evans is another porn star who
Donald Trump and Stormy Daniels called up and we're like, hey,
come hang out with us in our hotel room at
the Trump American Century Celebrity Golf Championship, and like Tahoe,
but it beyond that we have wasn't she wasn't Stormy
(43:04):
Daniels and Alana Davis. They were there because they were
doing promotional ship for a company. I don't know, That's
what I read in this other thing. So his like
celebrity golf tournament had like Wicked Entertainment had a booth there,
which is why they were even there. So those are
kind of people who are setting up shop at your
celebrity golf tournament already. That's that's kind of weird anyway,
(43:27):
but I leave that. I'll leave that there because like
in the photo of them from from apparently that weekend,
you can see like a Wicked Pictures like step and
repeat behind him. Is that the name of the point,
like the porn company? So clearly a porn company was
invited to participate in this or like some kind of
festivities around it, right anyway, that's something to think about. Um, yeah,
(43:49):
I know that there's also always like porn conventions happening
alongside more like quote legitimate events. Yeah that that used
to be Uh what's the Yes, they used to have
the like cs used to happen at the exact same
weekend in Vegas as like the main porn thing because
(44:13):
the overlap of Internet users, right, because porn basically drove
uvation and technology. So uh, they like had a sort
of informal agreement that they would have their conventions like
Blue Ray beat h D DVD because of porn, right, yes,
because I remember who are like h D DVD and
then they're like Blue Ray and then between porn and
(44:35):
PlayStation they picked a side and then like Blue Ray
became King. Yeah, and the rest is history. Um, but
we wanted to talk about this new edit of Star
Wars Last Jedi, the defeminized fan edit a k. The
chauvinist cut, which is the actual and how the guy
(44:56):
titled it um and he basically hut all the strong
female characters out of the Last Jedi. And in fact
he also cut down like you can't cut Ray completely
out of it since she's like the protagonist, but he
(45:17):
like cut scenes where she was shown having like really
impressive abilities to make her seem less impressive, which just
seems like so weird. Uh. There's also racism he quote
deleted quote China girl from the bombing scene at the
very beginning. Uh. And he cut Laura Dern's character so
(45:39):
that uh, and made the cut so that Oscar Isaac's
character that's a real heroic death. He like sacrifices himself
to win the day. What's crazy is the guy even
admits that this is unwatchable just so you know, like
he knows how bad it is. It's like, why did
you even go through the trouble of making this, because
when it's a fifty two minute film cut down to
(46:02):
forty six minutes, is he doing it like a joke
to make fun of like men complaining or is he
doing it because he hates the woman in it? I'm
pretty sure this is a guy who does not He's
like straight up men's rights activists. He's like, this is
how it should be, like a terrible film. I'm not
even sure what his goal is here. It's like the
real world isn't great enough for men. The fantasies I
(46:23):
have have to r um, but that is the world
that we exist in, where it's like, wait, is this
perfect satire or reality? Because like the two are really
hard to tell apart because he also does it like
from a bootleg like copy where the dude brought the
cam corder into the theater. Yeah, so that's already unwatchable. Yeah,
(46:44):
and our writer JM pointed out that the very first
Star Wars opens with a strong female character standing up
to the villain. Right, So if you were to cut
like strong women out of the original Star Wars, it
would have been the story of you know, Luke Skywalker. Yeah,
but the internet back then, so I could my chest
out and be like women. Yeah, exactly, it was a
(47:06):
different time. You always talked about how insulted you were
by lay As standing up knowing her place in that
first movie. Um. Yeah, but the entire story is put
into motion by Prince's last standing up to the Empire.
The context isn't or history isn't important to these people, right,
Um it is. I So I didn't read the New
(47:29):
York Times piece, but uh I saw it. Uh? And
apparently so. Kathleen Kennedy founded the Story Group, the group
that is in charge of like developing all the Star
Wars stories. Yeah, like basically the entire universe. When she
took she succeeded George Lucas as president in two thousand
twelve of Lucasfilm and she put Curie Hart, a former
(47:52):
film and TV writer, in charge of the unit. And
her first move was to make the Story Group entirely female,
starting with Rain Roberts and carry back. So I don't
know that's I. I that is cool that there is
sort of a feminist bent to Uh you know the
story group and the people who are developing with stories.
(48:12):
I'm surprised that hasn't gotten like more Star Wars. Idiot
men's rights people aren't like up in arms about that.
They're like focused on like this one. Do they know that?
Do they know that? Like I don't think they read
they have a fucking meltdown freend. Yeah. Uh, all right,
that is all the time we have, Teresa. It's been
(48:33):
a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find you?
Follow you? I'm on Twitter at Larresa t l e
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can people follow you? You can follow me on Twitter
(48:54):
and Instagram at Miles of Great. You can follow me
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We have Facebook fan page that is the Daily Zegeist,
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(49:15):
we talked about today. Uh, and we just launched How
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Some fan favorites from The Daily Zageist have a podcast
that is wonderful. It's outstanding. Should go check it out
(49:39):
and Miles df a song to play us out on. Yeah,
I do just to go out. I want to play
a really dope cover of the Tame and Polo song
let It Happened by Meg mac Uh. This is from
Like a Version, which is like a dope YouTube series
you can watch artists who covers of other songs. Jeys
are very like downbeat version of Team Apollo song and
I think it's dope. So y'all just check that out.
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So we're gonna write out on that. We will be
back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast talk together.
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out do it baby, love someone and I'm love the story.
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