July 16, 2024 • 63 mins
In episode 1708, Jack and Miles are joined by host of The House of Pod, Dr. Kaveh Hoda, to discuss… Developing Literacy In The Age of Medical Grifting, Are Health Supplements BS? Why Is Our Current Information Ecosystem So Bad? And more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Well I have you, Kylie, look like I got anything
going on my neck?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Where are you? For real? Because I can't. All I
see is and you don't understand. It's like I get
this all the time, so I can't even tell you're
joking or not.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
But no part of me I do this with anybody.
Even for the second I meet a doctor I have
for whatever reason, my instinct is to annoy the funk
out of them.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm like, oh man, can you check this out?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Is this?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I don't I don't mind when people ask me questions
medical questions. What what drives me crazy is they'll ask
me a question and I'll be like, yeah, I think
that is something you need to go get taken care
of them. They'll be like, no, I don't want to
have to disagree with you on that one.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I was asking you to calm me down, and usually
I do the doctor mole should be removed, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So I'm going to say that it's like no, no,
I'm not going to do that. No, no, no. I
on the kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Likes to roll the dice cave, So, uh, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm gonna go ahead and say that's just like your opinion. Yeah,
like your medical that's just like your medical opinion, man.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
And you are my fifth opinion on this one. Every
medical opinion has said the same.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
All right, are you talking to my other doctor too?
You guys fuck with me right now.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, forty seven,
episode two of Daly's Say production of iHeart Radio.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
This is a.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Podcast where you take a deep guy into American share consciousness.
And it is Tuesday, July sixteenth, twenty twenty four. July sixteenth,
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're doing when dude?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That happens literally just June twenty seventh, the last time
I screamed.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I know, I know, I know the debate was about
to happen. Well, a black void.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
When I'm not record actively recording to this podcast, I
just disappear into a black void. It's like, uh, what's
the Adam Scott show? Oh yeah, It's like I just
go away, So there you go. I don't know where
I've been breath the whole time. It's good to be back.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Oh well, if your skin looks remarkably good for holding
your breath that long, I gotta say. But July sixteenth
is corn Fritter's Day, So there's that also for those
of you that can afford one National Personal Chef Day,
and also shout out the personal chefs too for you know,
just doing what you do, being out here making this
(02:37):
making those nice meals. Every time I hear about like
there's so many tiktoks where it's like the day and
life of a personal chef and it it's like I'm
was like, Damn, I wish I cooked better, because they
just seem like they're chilling but also serving the most
annoying people like this dude, they serve no but they'll
be like they're like doing Personal Chef weekend for an
influencer retreat in Joshua Tree and then it's like everyone's
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super HEALTHCN just so they're just eating chia seeds with
salsa on top. It's like that kind of ship.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I cook for someone whose name runs with Sister Meast,
and he's pretty good. I was hanging out with nine
and eleven year old cousins and Sister Meast kind of a.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Big deal with them.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
That took me a while. Yeah, the first second, I
took me town like sister like sissy spaces.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You know, they swear to God that his chocolate bar
is better than anyone's chocolate bar.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
That is straight up marketing. I had that ship because
I remember they were handing him out like and I
was like, this is like it feels like, you know,
like Fundraiser chocolate.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
You know what I mean, that's what it tastes like, Oh,
Fundraiser chocolates.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Good Fundraiser chocolate. No, but I mean like it's fine,
but it's not like, you know, it's slightly different.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Than the name brand ship. Yeah what I mean? You know,
I don't know. Like, now that you mentioned Fundraiser chocolate,
I'm back on board with the mister Beat.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I gotta try that. I'm gonna I'm gonna do an experiment.
We'll see what our guest thinks about this idea. Only
mister Beast endorsed calories for a week. Yeah, supersize me,
mister Beast, me.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
My new experiment. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien AKA.
Now some of y'all might know this, and some of
y'all don't. Some of y'all use washcloths and some of
y'all don't. But if not, you're jerking off with soap.
Nana Nan nan that one. Courtesy of JD. Salad Bar
a little throwback to UH before I left for a
(04:33):
couple of weeks. JD.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Salad bar on the discord in reference to the time
when a fellow basketball camper I told him I don't
use a washcloth.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I just apply soap with my bare hand, because I'm
white and we are a broken people. And he said,
in a room full of adolescent boys, he responded, so
when you wash your dick, do you just jack off?
And rather than being like yeah, man, it feels good,
like yeah, like that's actually a good thing about what
(05:04):
I do, my inner Catholic guilt got me and I
was just like, no, I don't wash my dick. Why
you Why couldn't you jerk off with a washcloth? Though
I feel like you still could jerk off? Yeah, it
could provided differences.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Oh man.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
They were like, I don't see the problem so hard though,
like all things that should have occurred to me, But
I just didn't caught you off guard.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Man.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, anyways, jerking off with soap, Dan, that was supposed
to be letting me clear.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Oh sure, if that was no, was my baby? I
hope you don't mind. Anyways, I'm throwed to be joined
as always by my co host, mister Miles Gray.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Miles Gray, AKA, I've got coving and eyes.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
In of that history that I can't disguise. I've got covement.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Let's keep my jerking between you and all right, shout
out to Blake Rogers on the discord because I was
We mentioned Covenant Eyes again last week, and it's funny,
I said, I was actually singing to the tune of
Betty Davis Eyes, but you heard Covenant Eyes when I said.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You've got Covenant eyes.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Anyway, so shout out to that. But also if someone's
got a Betty Davis eyes, Covenant eyes aka.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
One hungry eye won Betty Davis Eye, That's why I
look so weird? Is hungry Eyes? Patrick Swayzey or she's
like the Wind? Was Patrick one of the one of
the songs.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I don't know, she's like the Wind?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Ok?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Pretty sure?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah? Sure? And then hungry she's hungry eyes too.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Wait what's her name, Jennifer Jennifer Gray?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, right, yea. Anyways, we know whose eyes were hungry,
we just don't know who was singing it. Miles, We
are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
a physician, a musician, and a podcast stitiondition you know,
go with that.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
The host of the very fun, incredibly informative podcast House
of pot it's doctor cave Holder.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Wow, thank you. This is I have to say. I
feel like I want to contest and I'm to be
on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So thank you, And I feel i have to say
I'm sorry that I'm on your show on one of
the biggest news weeks of the year.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I'm so sorry that it's me. So sorry. Nothing happened.
We got that out of the way and we knocked
that shit out yesterday.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
All good.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
We are good here. Yeah, mobility issues, things like that.
But just to be clear, yeah, you should feel as
a expert physician and a great podcast, so you should
feel very grateful to be on our dumb podcast. That
is entirely appropriate. Odd enough, because imposter syndrome is super okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Up to that and not a real You guys are fantastic.
You know what, I actually listen to your podcast.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I bet you have a lot of guests they're too
cool for school, and they come on and their podcasters
and they're like, don't actually listen. I actually listened to
so yeah, we listened to yours.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So, doctor k.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
We have Christy Gucci Mane one of our favorites. Oh yeah, yeah,
your favorite listeners and guests of this podcast has been
on your show multiple times. He has He is fun
so funny.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
All right, Doctor Hoda, what's the comic coming? Confident comment?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Come on, come on, dude.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
This is a physician too, and she makes me call
her doctor O'Brien. So that's that sounds excite, spic your marriage?
All right, it's my kink. What can I say?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Always doctor, but it's not even the exam. It's just
in a waiting room. Yeah, it's a doctor going to
see me yet no, no, she's still refusing to see me,
not answering my calls for weeks at a time.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It makes you fill out forms when you come home.
It's all paperwork business.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Wait, oh, no, way, you lost the intake form again.
I guess I'll fill it out here with board.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Here I go.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
All right, very not exciting, COVID. We are going to
get into some questions we have as medical idiots. Just generally,
your show does a good job of just kind of
addressing some of the myths, some of the things that
people are ignoring that they should be paying maybe a
little bit more attention to. But before we get to that,
(09:44):
we do like to get to know our guests a
little bit better by asking you, what is something from
your search history that is revealing about who you are? Okay,
so what I just I just released an episode of
my podcast today and I was researching some stuff for
and I was looking on a pretty deep dive into
(10:04):
insulin and some of the products in your blood that
can show you if you're getting insulin from the outside
of your body, like you're injecting it, or if your
body's making it.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And the reason I was doing that.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Is because we just did an episode a follow up.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
On Lucy let Be.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I don't know if you're familiar with her. She is
the nurse in the UK that was convicted last year
of murdering seven babies in a neo Ya intensive care unit.
Yeah in this it was a yeah, crazy story. We
covered it last year, but since that time there has
been this there's been a rising you know, criticism of
some of the defense that she had and whether or
(10:41):
not they did a piss poor job or not, and
whether or not there's a chance she could be innocent.
So it's really kind of changed the game a little bit,
and so we had to revisit some of the stuff,
and one of the things was looking at insulin because
if you get insulin from your own body, then you
also have this thing called sea peptide that may show up.
But if someone's injecting insulin into you and maybe too much,
(11:04):
it can become harmful, especially to a little baby that
may not need it, and that could be fatal to
a really sick kid, and you won't get this thing
called seapeptide in there. So it's something we check in
the blood sometimes pretty rarely, but some of the case
comes down to this question and whether or not that's
a really youthful test or not. So I was going
on a pretty deep dive to try and figure this
(11:26):
out because it's a complicated question even for doctors and
for people. I'm not endocrinologists or anything, but I think
even in that world it can be challenging. So that's
the latest thing on my my searcher, my search browser,
and probably going to get me into trouble all the
recent looking up I did of dead babies. But hopefully
(11:47):
this show helps create an alibi there you go and
that is what we are here for. So you're just
like you're just solving medical mysteries like an episode of
House over Here on a lar basis most accurate medical
show around. I'm just kidding, what is the most sacarate?
That's something that people always ask my wife, But she
(12:08):
has her answer. What's your answer? I'm curious to know
her answer. I think they're okay, there's no great show
for it, because like an accurate depiction of medicine would
be pretty boring. It would be like a group of
doctors sitting in a room going over like charts and
and like talking about like esoteric things and talking about
electrolyte levels. It would be pretty boring. But I think
(12:29):
the show that kind of gets like the pathos of
medicine the best is Scrubs. So I think, like she says, yeah,
Scrubs is I didn't know if it was because we
were just watching it at the time, and also she
was going to Scrubs like friends, we're just medical show.
(12:49):
I don't know the NBA playoffs, do you know? Actually,
who did a good job? This is gonna sound funny,
but the show Lost. They covered a lot of medical
topics in that show. It didn't really I thought pretty well,
like crush injuries and illness and uh fiber, they all
these little things come up in the show. I think
(13:09):
they probably had a pretty good like medical advisor on
that show.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
When Jack Shepherd said that woman was going to dance
at her wedding, was that was that surgery possible?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Because I feel like that was like the huge one.
He's like, You're gonna dance at your wedding and then
she remember that.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, but I I I'm sure it probably isn't. But
I mean, they're all kind of bad.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
But you're just mainly referring to the fact that, like
you can with the right magical island cure somebody who's
been paralyzed from the waist down. That's mainly what you're well,
it's the one trick.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Doctors don't want you to know exactly, simple trick.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
That is our only question for you when we get
to the medical part is onelogists don't want you to
know exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Other question. Uh dude, doctors use Google, Like if you're
trying to responsibly like is there I mean, I'm sure
there is it?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Is it Google? Too? Yeah? Well, I'll tell you this doctors.
I'll say it like this, doctors definitely look stuff up,
and they should, Like I mean, for most of the
stuff they're dealing with, they don't need to. But every
now and then there is going to be something that
comes across that they haven't encountered for a while that
they need to like review or fresh or there's some
sort of like lab test they need to review, and
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you want someone who's willing to do that. Of course,
the major difference is doctors we have a sense of
where to go to find the information. We're not usually
using Google. We have like search engines that are specifically
for doctors, and we actually have like paid sites like
that we would go to that give us sort of
breakdown of things that we pay for like a yearly
subscription for that help us at least points in the
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right direction. So, yeah, if you see a doctor looking
something up, don't freak out necessarily. If you see them
looking it up from like epoch times, that could be
a problem. Not be good.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm using the right Yeah, yeah, yeah, the symptoms you
could have, I don't know, I gotta just keep it.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Are you feeling like a character super Mario's I don't let.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
My doctor look anything up. I don't let them talk
to another doctor because that's cheating. I make sure that
they kissed Queen before they perform surgery. This is all
about what you can do, no cheating. What is something
you think is underrated?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Okay? So I wanted to come up with an answer
that I thought helped introduce your listeners to me in
a good way. And it was either one of two things.
Is either going to be San Francisco, the city in
which I live. It's you know, very popular and people
know about it obviously, but I think it's got a
bad rap and it's gotten a bad narrative recently, which
I think is super undeserved. And that or a Persian
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contributions to history, And that's probably the thing I'm a
little bit more passionate about because it's like, when I
was younger, Persian history was really written out of the books,
like our contributions to the world and like, and only
as I've gotten older, I've learned about things like beer.
The first beer was discovered in the Zagros Mountains of Iran,
like in three thousand to ten thousand BC. And you know,
(16:22):
things like pajamas high heels, neurosurgery, the highway, the postal service,
all this surgery. Yeah, I mean this we're talking about
old school, like they found like skulls with like things
like like holes. Yeah, but like the one that really
was that will piss people off. And I'm not afraid
to be controversial on your show. Here, I'm gonna say
it the first pizza safe pizza because the Acmented Empire
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was the first people to create this. I say this
hoping that your Italian listeners come at me. And what
they did is they have a fire in the battlefield.
They put like two like sticks in the they put
a shield over it, and on top of the shield
they'd be like some bread and they put like some
cheese feat of cheese and dates and stuff like that.
So I mean it wasn't like you know, Tony's Neopolitan
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pizza or anything, but it was like the first concept
of pizza was from there. Some evidence also that noodles
came from Iran. I know, that's that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I know. I want to give everyone moment with the
paradigm up, you know, but these.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Are things that we have been written out of history
that are now coming to light. And people are starting
to like study and realize. So that's that's something that
I think is super underrated, is some of the stuff
we've done other than like you know, grow beards and
and you know, take over embassies. We've done, We've done
other stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's funny because like I feel like in America, right,
like I had Iranian friends growing up in LA and
think they would away say like I'm Persian, I'm Persian.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And I remember like in.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Class like someone said it and like a teacher like
they were they were basical saying like oh, Persia doesn't
exist anymore, and you're like okay. But like in then
history there was just no section for that. So like
growing up, right, if it weren't from Iranian friends who
were like very adamant about like their parents were like
very like you know, they were all like if I
had questions, like they would answer them. It's just using
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the shorthand sort of like I don't know, poor, it's
like Prince of Persia the video game.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
That's that's what it is. Move on exactly right, Yeah, yeah, no,
And it's funny because when while I was growing up,
we used we would say Persian all the time because
it was like safer.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's like a cat, right, a rug, something benign.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
And now I think more people are are like able
to say I'm actually Iranian, right yeah, yeah, that's actually
kind of nice. Yeah yeah. I was just talking on
yesterday's episode about how I went to the Louver with
my children and was like looking at all the ancient
Assyrian artwork and it's so much better than fucking anything
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that would exist in the European world for like a
thousand years.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
But they just it took some time. It takes a
long time to get all those ideas of the place.
You can just be like, oh, that's what I'm going
to do now, that's.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Ours, that's ours now yeah yeah yeah right.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh that's quite literally. I mean like if you go
to the History Museum in England, like in London, it's
like like wall sculptures.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And literally that this is ours. Okay, yeah, what is
something you think is overrated? So again, sort of like
to be on brand, I talk about this a lot. Supplements,
So it's a huge, this huge industry. Yeah, yep, I'm sorry,
I'll tell you. Can I tell you something I have
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done episodes on like what's happening in Gaza. I've done
episodes on abortion and gun control, and nothing has gotten
me more hate than when I talk about the supplements.
People lose their minds about when I talk about supplements,
But I mean people believe in it in like a
(19:53):
really strong way. But it's a huge industry, and for
the most part, there's at best shaky evidence for some
of it. Most people don't require them. All they really
do for most people is give you expensive urine. And
there's there's there's there are people who will need certain
supplements for sure, like things like viamin B twelve for vegans, vegetarians,
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iron for some people, calcium, vitmin D. There's lots of
things there are about usually not necessary. Okay, all right,
all right.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Is someone we're getting we're getting questions from the chat
colostrum is that, Okay, you don't need that. I don't
know if that's bottled yet, but if it is, you
don't need it. Okay, okay, okay. So that's my thing.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
About like the supplements is that it drives me crazy.
It's like the part of the thing about it, too
is the same people that love taking them and promoting
them and selling them are the same people who are
telling you not to trust like the mainstream medical system. Sure,
and they're like, well, I get. I get accused of
being a big shill for pharma con because I'm like, yeah,
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vaccines are good, and they're like, you're a You're a
pharmacy shill. And I'm like, what do you think is
making these supplements? They're making money off of it. It's
it's like, you know, it's that that's a thirty to
fifty billion dollar industry. It's not like mom and pop stores.
They're they're selling you this garbage. You know.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's so I get.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I did get very upset about supplements sometimes again not
they are useful for some people, but generally they're they're
not something that people need.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Okay, good, because I gotta I'm looking at the top
supplements on Amazon and I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I'm leculator. I got a three thousand dollars a month
supplement habit man, and it's keeping me alive. Let's just
get your lead levels.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
A lot of collagen peptides.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Oh dude, I mean, and that's why my skin looks
so glassy, so dry, orderline translucent, when my dick looks
so young.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
That one guy all right, Uh yeah, let's let's take
a quick break and we'll keep talking about that and
a lot of the weird disinformation that's going wrong.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
And we're back. We're back in cave.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I feel like I've witnessed in my lifetime the kind
of information ecosystem kind of go from you know, go
to the doctor, listen to what they say, you.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Know, maybe get a second opinion. I don't know to
It feels like we have regressed to the world of
like snake oil out of covered wagons. It does like
I remember reading the origin stories like of Coca Cola
and doctor Pepper, and I was like, oh, this is
where we're going. It's like when those things were sold
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as like health tonics to help with your healthy nerves
and shit like that. But it feels like it's a
mess out there to me too. Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong,
You're not wrong. It's it's terrible. Yeah, Like, how do
you navigate it? How do you like? Are there tips
that you give to people for developing literacy in the
(23:24):
age of like medical drifting, Yeah, for sure, I mean
I think the first thing. And people are much savvier
these days. Younger generations are much savvier than older ones,
but just keep an eye out for where it's coming from.
Is it, you know, is the information you're reading about.
Is it coming from like Mayo or some university or
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something that you a medical center you've heard of, or
is it coming from like the Hindustan Times or business Insider.
You know, keep your eye out for where it's coming from.
Like there's obviously clickbait everywhere around health and that it's
a big part of it. And then you know there
are there are certain anyone's trying to any medical professionals
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trying to sell you something I'm wary of frankly, and
like anytime someone tries to sell something that has the
word detox, cleanses ancient in it are key words that
I that I really make my butthole clinch up, and
nine nine percent of time it's bullshit. The cleanses health
that your butthole can clench up like that you want
(24:27):
it's strong. Yeah, but you do have a doctor wife,
so you know your your liver and your kidneys are
going to help you detox everything you need to detox. Right,
if there is something that your liver and your kidneys
cannot get out of your body, then some essential oil
(24:49):
that an influencer on TikTok is trying to sell you
isn't going to work. Either you need like, you know,
hemodialysis or something much more like important. So like, don't
worry if you're treating your liver and your kidney's okay,
you don't need detox and the detoxes that you get
aren't gonna work. These things that they sell you to
cleanse your body of whatever illness you have or whatever
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one particular thing that's that's usually not gonna work. Also,
be wary of medical professionals or health influencers who try
to like moralize certain foods or like, ah, this one
berry is bad, this berry is good, tomatoes are bad.
These things I mean, like it's you make it sounds shady,
It sounds sinister, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
You have to be really.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Cautious about those things. I mean, be very cautious of
anyone who seems overly confident about things. I mean, again,
the reason my show will never be that big other
than the fact I'm no good is that I don't.
You have to have like a certain amount of like
hutzba to like say, like it to be a Cuberman
(25:57):
level balls to just have confidence about things you should
not have confidence about, and some things that you just
we just don't know, especially things that are like new,
like when COVID first came out, people would come out
and speak definitively on it. I mean that's how would
you know. No one knows it's new, you know. But
but that's what people want to hear. Not like people,
(26:23):
they want to hear a doctor tell them this is
the one thing you need to do. If you do
this one thing, you're good. But but usually we can't
do that. That's bullshit. I mean, there is a certain
level of uncertainty in all medicine, and you know, never
more so than than now. You know, there's lots of uncertainty,
and you have to be comfortable with that to some degree.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
You have to to know that.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And if someone seems like over the confident and try
to sell you one thing, you should be a little
be cautious at least because I feel like it's so
confident and have won seven championships like Tom Brady, does
that then make it so I can trust his nutritional device?
Sorry advice? Sorry you got yeah, okay, good, all right?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I just wanted yeah, just wanted to level set with you.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
So TB twelve, TB twelve the only doctor I trust,
doctor Tom terrific.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well, because I think part of it, right, like, especially
with being susceptible to medical information. A there's the thing
that's like, well, I can't afford to see a doctor.
A lot of people are like or it's extremely difficult
with a schedule to even find the time to see
a doctor. That's not the case for everyone. But I
think also as there is like more information, like everything
has been offered to us in this way with like
(27:33):
you know, since the Internet of like yeah, man, just
do this thing to you want to learn how to
fold a shirt, just do this thing. You want to
learn how to boil the perfect egg, just do this thing.
You have lymphatic issues, just do this one thing, you
know what I mean, Like we're so used to even
reducing complex medical things like oh man, it's that you
just you don't got enough this. And I think that's
partially like the opportunism of like the influencer industry coming up,
(27:58):
because now people are incentivized to be able to be
like and let me just again this one simple trick.
Doctors don't want you to know, like we've one simple
trick our way down to like complex issues, and now
some people like, well, like you know, I've I'm acquainted
with people who will absolutely not see doctors and are
convinced that they the information they need is available in
(28:21):
community groups on Facebook or online and things like that,
and that's how some people live. Because I think there's
just also this, like to your point when we were
just joking earlier, when someone asks you, like, what does
this thing look like? And you give them your honest
opinion as a physician, and they're like, well, I didn't
want to hear that. It's like, we want to hear
that it's just Oh I just wasn't eating enough chick piece,
or it's like, oh I'm sleeping the wrong way, and
(28:43):
because I don't want to maybe grapple the fact that
maybe there's something more complex happening. Yeah, it's totally true.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
And every time there is any sort of vacuum with
medical understanding of knowledge, it gets filled with these grifters.
I mean, it's part of the reason I do this
whole show. I want to make like medicine accessible, want
people to be able to like feel comfortable with things
with doctors talking. So they don't have to like go
find random like TikTok advice on you know, sunning their buttoles,
(29:11):
like I want. I want them to have sources that
they can get without like having to always see a
doctor's things that should be available. That's a lot of
that's on us as doctors, like we have to be
doing that, and it's hard because we're not. Like again,
if you're gonna be like a social media doctor and
have a presence, it's hard to build like a following
without being a piece of shit. You kind of have
(29:32):
to like sell yourself a little bit, and that's hard
to do. Like I mean, I'm sure the ads I
play on my podcast are like ninety percent dick pills
and like mental health apps that I don't necessarily agree with,
you know what I mean, And I have to sort
of grapple with that myself. That's that's tough. But you're
not voicing them. I'm definitely not. I'm definitely number one
(29:54):
dick well for me. Yeah, yeah, exactly right. I mean,
if they pay me enough, fuck it, I will sell
out minute. But like, no, it's that's it's something we
as in the medical profession have to be better about.
That's why we need more people doing you know, this
sort of thing going on, like you know, podcast like
You're own.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
But also buy our dicktills, buy er dicktyls. They were, yeah,
yeahs are great.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Our dick pills are Somebody somebody recently told me a story.
They were like, I just heard this like crazy story
where this person was taking like the supplement like supplements
for their sexual energy and then like it like broke.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Open and there was viagra inside. And I was like,
that's not a true story because there wouldn't be actual
active ingredients in that supplement.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That story is actually way too good to be true
for the So what are the things that you like,
you know that are actually impacting our health negatively that
like don't get enough attention, Like it's not our lack.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Of essential oils that we can put on a rag
and like huff like ether or either it's just.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Dowsing a rag in right, Oh yeah, Because like to
your point, Jack, you're saying, like we live in this
thing where it's like again it's not about Health's like,
well you need this thing because like I feel like
so much as framed.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Was like we don't, we don't live like our ancestors
did and now in this modern world, that's that's why
you need to be dabbing oil of clove on your
throat every.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Day or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, when they will go the opposite route and they'll
say like, this is what our ancient ancestors did and
this is why you should do this, and it's also bullshit, right,
Like they'll use the same like selling tool in a
different way.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah, I guess just to simplify it, is it because
we aren't you know, is this sort of rhetoric sort
of working on people because on some level we aren't
getting things we need or it's completely just missing the
point and we're just so used to being like, oh,
I need to buy this new product when there are
actual ways that, like the modern era has affected our
health negatively that we're just completely ignoring, are just paying
(32:01):
little attention to.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, that's a really good question. Yeah, I mean listen
for a living. A big part of what I do
is look into American colons and I can tell you
that we are lacking in certain things like fiber, We
could do a lot. Our diets are not awesome, and
it's something that you know, I would love to discuss
(32:24):
in more depth and detail. But it's a long process,
so I mean it needs to say. I'll say, American
diets not great loan fiber. It's high in processed foods
and high in sugar and high in processed meats. And
these are things that I think are important and we
should be wary of, and we should try to have
better diets. We should try to eat better, more plants,
(32:46):
less red meat, less processed meat, less sugars. In general.
These are things that I agree with, you know, Mediterranean diet,
plant based diet. I think these are good options. But
for most people who are eating a.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well balanced diet, if it's not perfect, they're still going
to get most of the things they need, most of them.
Will we could do better. I certainly think we can
do better in general in the United States, And you know,
we talk about this. Have you heard of blue zones Yeah, yeah, yeah,
where people still increase like lifespans or yeah, higher than
average lifespan. That's right.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Part of it is diet.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Part of it is the way they get around and exercise,
and not necessarily the same typical ways we think of exercise,
but the way that people live there and diet's a
part of that, So I mean, I think there is
something to that. I also don't want people hyper focused
on everything they eat. I don't think that's healthy either.
So for me, in terms of things that are really
(33:40):
like concerning now that have changed a little bit because
diets have always been bad, is rates of alcohol. Like
I and I'm not saying people shouldn't drink. I enjoy
you know, drinks in moderation, but since COVID, I have
seen the rates of alcohol use go up from tremendously
(34:01):
and I've seen younger and younger people in this country
getting seriously sick with liver related injuries, alcohol related injuries
because of it. So it's something I am growing concern for.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Again.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
People will come, I'll have experts come to my show
and they'll be against all alcohol. I'm not comfortable with that.
I still think that people can have it in moderation,
and I think it's you know, I think it can
be something that brings a lot of us joy. But
I think we are developed, we have developed an unhealthy
relationship with it in this country and it's only gotten
a little bit worse. Like you know, you go to
(34:34):
a you go to a movie, and like there's a
sad scene in the movie, there's like, go get a drink.
If there's something that happens, it's good, let's celebrate, Let's
get a drink. You know. It's like it's a part
of it's become a little too ingrained in the culture
in a way that I don't think is healthy. And
it's only gotten worse since COVID right.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Now, that is true. Like the media, I've for sure
informed my use of alcohol from like a very early age.
Like I honestly thought, if I'm going through some shit,
I need to drink alcohol to do. I don't know
for what reason, but I was mimicking what I had
seen over and over. It's like, oh, you're going through it, man,
let's go get you know, go have some drinks or whatever.
(35:14):
Or like you see someone who's like clearly like suffering
with like some like you know, you watch a film
without a soldier and like they clearly have PTSD and
it's like but they drink through it, and like you
sort of connect this thing where it's like that will
somehow change things. And I remember when I had like
one of my first moments of like emotional strife in
like early adulthood, Like my first instinct was like, maybe
I shouldn't drink a ton of alcohol without even knowing
(35:37):
what the urge was. It was just more like I
think that's what it is. Obviously, Yeah that it didn't
last for long because I was just like, what the
fuck am I doing? But it is true, like so
many things are just sort of like like reflexive based
on like what we see, you know, get a mirrored
to us in the media constantly.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Absolutely, and I think at some point it was like
that with cigarettes. But then like because there's enough of
because they look cool, and you're like, oh, you learned
in the movies. You're like if you smoke cigarettes, like
it's a sign of like cool, you do it after sex,
you do it, like if you're a tough guy out
you're it's it's got like this. You had this allure
that was sold to us by Hollywood. At some point
there was enough pushback on that that like that's changed.
(36:14):
You don't see that happen in movies as much anymore.
It's not that many people who smoke, but the alcohol thing.
And again I'm not like saying I'm not like saying
everyone should be abstinate from alcohol. But the alcohol thing
is something I think we have to be a little
more mindful of in this country now. And of course
I am a liver doctor as well, so it is,
it is, it is, you know the thing I'm seeing
(36:35):
a lot. So you're bias. You're admitting your bias. Amo
pro liver anti for big liver, big liver. That's what happens.
He does work for big liver. Where it's on big liver.
It does feel like that is.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
The one thing that doctors and the wellness people seem
to be aligned on. Maybe not the one, but like
wellness people seem to be on board with, like, no, yeah,
drinking not.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Good for you. Do you know do you know why that?
Because here's the thing is, like for most people who
are drinking too much, if they stopped for a while,
they feel better, so much better. If that's part of
like your routine. Yeah, and you're like, you do my
twelve step routine to health and you do that one
step and that was a problem for you. If you
drink too much, you're gonna be like, yeah, I feel better.
(37:30):
This person knows what they're talking about. Shit, yeah right right, Yeah,
these berries are telling me to eat really are good,
you know. Yeah that was step one and you give
the credit to the other eleven steps.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, right, exactly, berries for sure, cyeballs. Holy shit, just
so like I hear so much like I'm trying, I'm
trying to be more conscious about my health and I'm
eating more like I have like vegetarian lunch now to
try and cut out meat at least one meal a
half a day is like mostly plant based. Yeah. But
(38:03):
the fiber thing for you, I just want to rub that,
rub that in your face.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
So I just wanted to let you guys know that
and moving on.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So you know I'm doing that. So I'm gonna lift
to three thousand, Jack, Why don't you wipe that McDonald's
cheese paper off your face?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
You just dave for lunch in front of us.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
But like in part of that, right, it's like part
of me is always hearing like you got it, Like
lagoons are so good, fiber is so good. All these
other vets, like your cruciferous vegetables are great can. But
all I know is they're great can. Like for me,
as a child of the eighties and nineties, fiber was
always like promote, like marketed as like, oh, you're not
taking a ship, you need fiber, and it was most
(38:41):
in my mind it's like, oh, you're constipated, that's why
you need fiber, rather than like now looking at a
little more holistically, like what what Like I'm ignorant? So
can you please let me understand like what it is
about having the fiber in there? That is what what
the benefits of it that we're missing out on for
those of us that aren't eating enough fiber.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Okay, so well, there's a lot that it can do,
and there's been studies that show it can help with cholesterol.
But the major things that I think it helps with
that I would share with you guys now. One in
terms of like gut problems, it helps prevent issues.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
With your colon.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Now, this may or may not be more information than
your listeners need to know. I'm not someone who ever
has paid attention to too much information, So I'm gonna
give you as much information as I think you guys
might want in the colon. If you're not having a
high fiber diet, the colon is struggling really hard to
move things through. When that happens, it puts a stress
(39:37):
in your colon that can lead to things like diverticular disease.
These little pouches that can form in the colon, those
things can become inflamed, it can become infected. Sometimes they
can bleed. Those things are a real problem for a
lot of Americans. That's just one little small thing. Right then,
in terms of like for an example of why it
might help you beyond that, when I talk to people
(39:58):
about sugar, I always warned them about processed sugar in particular,
and I say, if you're gonna get sugar, always the
best way to get it is through like fruits, because
when it comes into fruit, it comes with fiber, and
as you're ingesting that fiber, that slows down the release
of the sugar. So you're not getting this big bowl
(40:18):
list of sugar. And that's really where the problems come from.
It breaks down the release of sugar over a long time.
So these are just two of like many reasons why
right it's better for Americans is to.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Keep your colon from stressing and don't be like one
of our favorite podcasters, the kid Marrow, who did get diverticulitis.
I remember and he missed an episode and he said
that He's.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Like, guys, you got any fiber. He's like, you don't
want this, you don't want this, and I want this? No, no,
So it sounds uncomfortable. I don't want pockets and my colon.
Yeah yeah, but it's okay. If what about like just
a bunch of fiber one and then the sugar is
coming from basic fruit and that it's a sugar cane plant.
(41:03):
So what about just like fiber one with just like
a bunch of sugar on it.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
That's probably you mean, like there's not oring sugar on it?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Do you need Do you need the sugar?
Speaker 1 (41:13):
You need the sugar? What is the.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I'm just taking down the wine from just carving off
lines of powdered fugar.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Doctor said, you don't want to eat this stuff, man,
you don't want.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
To eat it.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
So's you mean?
Speaker 2 (41:25):
But but in general, if you're if you if you
have a more plant based diet, which is good for
a lot offerent reasons, you're you're filling yourself with you know,
foods that aren't you processed meats in general, like they're
gonna you're gonna get the fiber you need. Now, some
people are gonna need supplemental fiber like you know, metamuciles, citruscel,
et cetera. But you don't necessarily need that if you're
eating a well balanced diet. I've also noticed, just as
(41:48):
I've slightly improved my diet over the past like decade,
and I don't know if there's a thing or not,
but I've noticed that my.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Crazy my diet pretty recently too. I heard about your lunches.
I heard I just want Jack to kind of eat
up all the airway, you know, the airwaves.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Like I used to crave process sugar, like when when
I was consuming more of it, and now it like
seems gross to me, the amount of processed sugar that
I was eating. And I'm like, is that is that
when you you're you're just getting old, Okay, yeah, got it.
Your your body is at some point telling you, okay,
(42:23):
this is knock it off. It you don't feel as good,
like you don't feel the way you did when you
were younger doing that stuff. Yeah, okay, got it. So
I knew I was old because I started paying attention
to birds and like what different bird calls were. But this,
this is another good more about World War two, oh Man,
World War I got some stories about World War Two boys.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
He's like, Miles, check out this gigantic gun the Nazis.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Were hooking up on a railroad.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
You won't believe how big this thing is.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Top five tank battles go Oh my god. Again, I'm
so obsessed with tank battles. I'm just like, hell's that interesting.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Anyways, Let's take a quick break and we're gonna come
back and keep talking about this. We'll be right back,
and we're back, and I do I am curious as
(43:28):
someone who has kind of worked in the fields of
medical bullshit, like what your diagnosis would be for why
our current information ecosystem is so bad? Like I feel
like it's the Internet, for sure, but I also feel
like there's this underlying hyper capitalism ethos where like Goop
(43:54):
can be completely full of shit but still get like
good press because it's got like because it's making money
basically because it's like I don't you know, business insider,
the business insider of it all. It is like, yeah,
she's made a great product and that's cool.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
It's called goop.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, And so there's just like so many ways to
launder this pseudo scientific bullshit that I feel like used
to be relegated to the back of like magazines, and
now is like, you know, a big, multi billion dollar brand.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, like the dodgy ads from the back of the
magazine are now are like medical truths that we have accepted.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Right, Yeah, but this is I don't think you're misreading that.
I think that is kind of what I'm seeing as well.
I mean grifts, medical grifts. I mean they've been around forever,
but and they reinvent themselves all the time. Like I
got interviewed about Gwyneth Paltrow's rectal ozone therapy and I
had to look into that and I was like, oh,
(44:57):
that's not necessarily new. I mean, it's just one way
or another. Yeah, yeah, don't do it as long and
the short of it. But like copy enemas, enemas that
to detox and clans, all these things that that people
try to do. They're like urine therapy, drinking urine. These
are things that always come back in one form or another,
like Napoleon was doing that, yeah right, yeah, and and
(45:21):
it is getting worse. And I think a lot of
that is sort of the direct to consumer marketing that
you see from like these people, these influencers online are
people selling supplements and that sort of thing. So and
these people have like zero sense of medical ethics because
most of them aren't doctors, and the ones that are
medical professionals don't seem to care that much. I will
also put some of the blame on us as doctors,
(45:43):
because you know, we talk about placebo, and you know,
usually in the past, doctors back, yeah, placibo find if
it works, great, and that's true. I usually don't care.
But we let a lot of stuff that seemed inconsequential
go in the past and not fight. Ah. So Gwyneth
Paltrow wants to put a jade egg in her vagina,
what's the harm you? They want to take this whatever
(46:06):
pill X or supplement, what's the harm? It's a low
risk thing, and the truth of it is what we
have seen. I think there's a direct line between people
doing that and thinking, well, Okay, this alternative therapy seems
it seems truthy enough, and then they start to believe
that more and more, and then when it comes to
something that's maybe a more real, like proven medical treatment
(46:30):
or say a vaccine, they don't know who to trust
because there's so much out there, so much information out there,
that seems contradictory that we sort of let slide that.
Like now if someone who is an influencer who you know,
we never like addressed before, is now saying something a
little more serious and consequential like don't get your vaccine,
(46:51):
then that now we have a real problem. And I
think we have to now be more aggressive about these things.
Like even if it's a low risk thing for most
people to take supplements, it for most people it is,
it's low risk. Not for everyone. They put like you know,
a lot of like we joked about, like lead in
these things you'll see, but like there's things in there
that can hurt the liver. There's even like liver cleanses
(47:12):
that actually have ingredients in them that can hurt the
liver because it's completely unregulated. There's very little regulation that
goes into this, and so you know, if we're not
careful about the little things, then they can spiral. They
can sort of like snowball into bigger and bigger problems
down the road and really help erode a lack in
real medical treatment, proven evidence based science treatment, you know,
(47:36):
And so I think it's a lot on us as doctors.
We have to be more vigilant about the stuff and
call out bullshit even if it seems relatively inconsequential.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, do you think there's another part too, because I mean,
I'm sure this has something to do with it. Because
our medical system, especially here in the United States, is
so bad that so many people end up slipping through
the cracks or having a doctor that isn't taking them seriously,
and you know, small issues become things that are life
threatening very quickly, and then and then anecdotally that gets
(48:06):
around it's like, well, the doctors don't the fuck they're
talking about and shit like that. How much of like
sort of the you know, trying to resolve all of
this is also just sort of on having like a
better medical system where people feel like, ah, this this
seems more dependable because I feel like a lot of
distress someone it comes from someone with like an anecdote
about something that happened to someone they know. And that's
(48:27):
why now it's like, ah, well they're just saying shit
or whatever. They don't they they're going to miss stuff.
That's why I do my own research or et cetera,
or whatever, you know, thing that people want to say
when it comes to that.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
First of all, how dare you. Yeah, our medical system
is a wreck. We pay more and we get worse
quality than we should. And then a lot of countries
who are supposed to be are sort of at our
level are doing so absolutely and people are looking for
(49:00):
other means to get care and treatment. I mean, I'm
always a little worried about doing this because people, you know,
I'm worried about giving direct medical care and treatment online
because you can't do that you don't know somebody online.
But we do need to create a better system so
people don't have to turn two things online. They don't
(49:23):
have to like look for a doctor or someone online
recommending a treatment, or going to some sort of like
you know, app where they can order like psychiatric meds.
And they should have better care directly from their medical
offices that they go to or hopefully have the insurance
to even go to see a doctor. So yeah, no,
(49:45):
I mean a big part of this I totally acknowledge
is based on the fact that our system is very dysfunctional,
if not broken, and all on top of that, something
else you mentioned is true too. I mean, people oftentimes
feel like they're not being listened to by their doctor.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
And I can see that. I understand it.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
I'm sure it happens constantly all the time, and that's hard.
I mean a lot of I feel for the doctors
too in that regards, because most of these primary care
doctors are extraordinarily overworked, right, and they're swamped with email
after email after email, and they can't really put in
the energy and the time to each one to make
that person feel heard. That doesn't mean they shouldn't try.
(50:27):
It doesn't mean that that's not something we need to do.
But yeah, I know a lot of people who don't
feel like they're listened to by the medical profession. Sometimes
that can have devastating consequences. Oftentimes not, but sometimes it
can be devastating.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
And since you did concede that point, are you willing
to say that electrolytes are something we need? As I
see that it's one of the top sellings. When I
look at supplements like I'm looking at the Amazon Health
I feel like looking at the top charted products on Amazon,
it's a good idea of what people think they need
for their bodies, and electrolytes is like one of the
(51:00):
high everyone's fucking on electrolytes right now. Yes, just because
we don't want to drink water. I'm like, it's just
weird to me. I'm like, isn't that just that's a
salt they put in gatorade.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
It's because we've lost our way and nobody wants to
drink gatorade anymore because it.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Wants to work.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
No one wants to work and no one wants to
drink gatorade. Yeah. Yeah, water isn't that sexy anymore?
Speaker 2 (51:22):
People like, I mean, it has to be like death
Liquid or whatever the name of that company, Like they
just officially became a geriatric so like this is that's
a real it's a real thing. That's the electrolyte thing.
It can be useful for people like serious athletes, but
(51:43):
for most of us, regular water is going.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
To the margins out of hydration like that.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, exactly, you're not. Most people are not becoming like
hyponatremik when they're like doing their exercise. But I mean again,
it's one of those things where for a long time
we're just like, Okay, whatever, smart water, that's great.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, and it exists.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
It's the pH on that right right And now now
I mean again, it's it's it's all I'm starting to
feel more and more like it's a slippery slope. The
more we accept sort of like unnecessary stuff, the worst
the outcomes down the road become so and then we
end up with someone like RFK, who actually is like
a legitimate, you know, candidate. I mean, he's not gonna win,
(52:26):
but still he's actually out there and people are hearing
and listening to his garbage.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
And but I I'm sorry, I really dislike him, so
I shouldn't have brought him up. But that's how we
get people like that in our lives, right, Yeah, from
not being like, no, you're wrong, go leave leave, Yeah, exactly, No, No.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
I'm telling you about these vaccines. Man, You're like, no,
you're not telling us ship. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, it's interesting, Like the doctor Oz like Wager, like
you know, his argument to himself seemed to be that
it was all worth it because he was educating people
on stuf they wouldn't have normally like been educated about,
and it was fine if he like flubbed the margins
a little bit or like told a couple lies here
(53:09):
and there, and then you know, we see where that ends,
and I feel like the whole that's kind of what
you're describing just across the board a little bit.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
That's exactly it.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
And I feel a little bit for for him, because,
I you know, if you're doing a show every day
and you have to just start like coming up with
shit medically, at some point, some of the stuff's gonna
get questionable. But I mean, you know, he should. He's supposedly,
he was supposedly a good doctor. You know, he should that, Like,
you can't lose that, and if you do, you have
(53:38):
to stop calling yourself doctor Oz, you know, the Oz
at that point. So I mean, yeah, but that is
exactly the That's exactly what happened. I mean he started
out with him talking about like poop and like he
was a guy who like taught you, like all of
our mother is, like what a normal poop shape is
supposed to be like on the Oprah Winfrey Show, and
that was like fine, cool, we talked about firebrus, But
(54:00):
that was a very slow and gradual descent into nonsense
and gibberish.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
To him saying the vagina is like a self cleaning oven,
and You're like.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (54:11):
You're saying this many times out loud. Okay, It's weird
when he says it. Yeah, yeah, it is like self
cleaning oven like you who are you like a Maytag
repair person or a doctor?
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Well, well, I'll tell you this. He gets that line
maybe from Jen Gunter, who is a very famous and
I think a really great obi guide, and that is
a response to like trying to tell people you don't
necessarily need to be doing cleanses. It comes down to
the whole cleansing thing. So so in that sense, I
think that's where he got it. But then he is
(54:43):
one of these guys who will, like you know, he'll
have people on who are on the fringes of the
medical world and want to sell things, and he gives
them air and he's giving them lots of attention he
did when he had a show. So yeah, he also
sucks all the doctors. I can't think of really one
that's famous online that I'm trying or or TV.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
That's not doctor feel Good. Yeah, he is the one
to call.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Doctor Pat the aforementioned doctor Pepper. It's pretty Yeah, it
helps helps the healthy nerve, helps you feel created.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Did great work overseas. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:17):
Is there a subject that you think we've missed that
is just something that you come up against like either
a bullshit belief or I know I've heard you talk
about you know. The answer is often like, we don't
actually know on a lot of things. You know, something
that most people think we definitively know that's more of
a mystery, or yeah, there's probably a lot, but I
(55:40):
will say that, you know, because I'm a gast entrologist.
One of the things that I get asked a lot
about or people will talk to me about, or coffee
enemas and that's the constant bane of my existence. And
if I can use this as a platform to tell
people to not get them.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
I will.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
I mean, coffee is great. I love coffee. I think
there's actual health benefits to coffee. There's actually some decent ones.
We actually did an episode of our show with one
of the weirder ones with a great hepatologist named Elliott
Tapper prop the musician and podcaster, Yeah, Deepak Chopper's brother
who is a doctor as well, in studies coffee in
(56:18):
a weirdest and there's a lot of health benefits. Yes,
it was an interesting one, and in that that episode
we really covered a lot of the health benefits of it.
But there is no added benefit to putting coffee up
your butt and potential harm and not just if it's hot.
It could be some chemical thing in there that irritates
your your cold as well.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
So don't do that. Don't don't do shit like that.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Don't just don't do cleanses.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
I think the first person I heard talking about it
like it was a celet. I feel like it was
like Janet Jackson or some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
like somehow I remember, like in the nineties, it was
like this one thing. We're like, dude, that celebrity is
just boofing, just gollons of coffee in their butt, and
that's I think the new way to live or something,
and it sort of, yeah, became very very popular, very quickly.
(57:06):
So so we just stick to only putting alcoholic beverages
up our ass, no coffee, and we should ticked away
your joy.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
There was another monster, guys. And I do have to say,
I feel like I always have to be looks. I'm
not totally against things going into butts, Okay, I'm just
saying don't put coffee.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
Work and how you might think yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure,
all right, and that's just like your medical opinion, man.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
Doctor cave Hodo. What a pleasure having you on the daily?
Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 2 (57:44):
Find my podcast anywhere you you do podcasting. It's called
the House of Pod. It's uh, you know, humor adjacent
medical podcast, and uh, you know, I think you like it.
It's not too in the weeds of medicine. And usually
we have fun guests on, both doctor guests and non
doctor guests will cover fun topics and have and have
cool conversations.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
So I I, you know, you'll probably like it.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
And it's free. So you know, if you don't know,
no harm there, right, No, that's free, Like amazing. Is
there a work a media that you've been enjoying? You know?
Have you guys ever heard of this band The Thrills?
Speaker 1 (58:20):
No, nobody has nobody.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
Here's the deal, Like it sounds like a band I
should know. I'm like, yeah, the yeah Thrills, Right, Okay,
So as Californians, you should appreciate this because I love
like the concept of surf rock. I enjoy a lot
of surf rock, and I think, in my opinion, my estimation,
the best surf rock California music y sort of band
(58:43):
is this band called the Thrills. They were around the
early aughts. I don't think they're around anymore. And they
would sing songs about like Big sur and Santa Cruz
and they're so rad. Corey Ham they would sing songs
about Corey Hame, like who else dons that? And like
the best part is there from like Ireland, from like Dublin, California.
(59:04):
And they had like somehow totally figured out the ethos
of the California beach community in a way that I
just fucking love. So give them a listen. They're called
the Thrills. I also say, listen to my friend Rebecca
Watson's watch her YouTube channel. I think she's the most
underrated science communicator out there right now. And that's that's
(59:26):
I guess that's all I got.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
All right, amazing, Well, thanks again for joining Miles. Where
can people find you as their working media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah, find me on Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray.
You find Jack and I on the basketball podcast Miles
and Jack Got Mad Bousies. You can also find us
on our Enema podcast as well, Mad Booty. Yeah. And
also if I'm talking to very, they're very upset after
(59:55):
the Venom tweet tweet, I like is from again. The
euro Cup and Copa America concluded over the weekend. Argentina
won the Copa America back to back winners, Spain just
won the euro Cup, and because there's been so much
soccer on TV, this tweet just cracked me up. It's
like the the avatar on it is like a like.
(01:00:16):
It looks like a Ted Cruz esque figure behind an
American flager in front of American flag. It's at power bottom.
Dad One tweeted, after watching five or so soccer games,
I'm ninety nine percent sure the entire sport is being
played wrong strategically. This feels like such an American Yeah watching, No, No,
(01:00:38):
why are you playing it like that? You should be
going for high volume of shots. Man fucking launching that shot.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
That's me the game, tick shot, shoot shoot the goal,
to shoot it right now, right now. Why doesn't the
one goal we try and shoot it into the other
goal every single time? That's like a free throw? Yeah, man,
wide open, amazing. You can find me on Twitter at
Jack Underscore O'Brien a tweet I've been enjoying. Let's take
(01:01:06):
it back to July twelfth, let's scroll back through. Uh
Sean clements from Hollywood Handbook tweeted, if I ever get
introduced to Mia Goth, I'm gonna say Mia too.
Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I thought that was cute.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeikeeist. Were
at v Daily Zeikeeist on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
We have a Facebook fan page on a website Daily
zeikeist dot com where we post our episode that our
foot no where we link off to the information that
we talked.
Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
About in today's episode.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Well, it is a song that we think you might enjoy.
Mile's a song do you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
I heard this band over the weekend that was really cool.
They're called Balfus, but it's spelled b A L t
h v S.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
You know, hit them on some What do they do
that Rome? When the V was basically it could be
like Norwegian? I feel well there was a five in Rome.
Oh wow, you sneaky devil. You get back from Europe
and you're already sonning me like that okay from the
Rocky franchise.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Sorry man, yeah, I kept calling it Rocky V till
someone mean like Rocky.
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
You guys seen Rocky Rakiev.
Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
But anyway, they are a Colombian psychedelic band that's like
really dope like so they've got a lot of like
Middle Eastern side kind of like melodies, but also like
Cumbia vibes too, and it's like reminds you of like Krungbin.
If you like Krungbin, you're definitely gonna like this band
or like that kind of vibe stuff, sort of like
psych surfy at times. This is a track called Sun
(01:02:42):
and Moon by Balf, the Colombian psychedelic band that I'm slowly.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Starting to fall in love with. So check this going
out well.
Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
We will link off to that in the footnotes. The
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is going to do it for us this morning, back
this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we
will talk to you all then.
Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Bye bye bye
Well I have you, Kylie, look like I got anything
going on my neck?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Where are you? For real? Because I can't. All I
see is and you don't understand. It's like I get
this all the time, so I can't even tell you're
joking or not.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
But no part of me I do this with anybody.
Even for the second I meet a doctor I have
for whatever reason, my instinct is to annoy the funk
out of them.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm like, oh man, can you check this out?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Is this?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I don't I don't mind when people ask me questions
medical questions. What what drives me crazy is they'll ask
me a question and I'll be like, yeah, I think
that is something you need to go get taken care
of them. They'll be like, no, I don't want to
have to disagree with you on that one.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I was asking you to calm me down, and usually
I do the doctor mole should be removed, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So I'm going to say that it's like no, no,
I'm not going to do that. No, no, no. I
on the kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Likes to roll the dice cave, So, uh, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm gonna go ahead and say that's just like your opinion. Yeah,
like your medical that's just like your medical opinion, man.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
And you are my fifth opinion on this one. Every
medical opinion has said the same.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
All right, are you talking to my other doctor too?
You guys fuck with me right now.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, forty seven,
episode two of Daly's Say production of iHeart Radio.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
This is a.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Podcast where you take a deep guy into American share consciousness.
And it is Tuesday, July sixteenth, twenty twenty four. July sixteenth,
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're doing when dude?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That happens literally just June twenty seventh, the last time
I screamed.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I know, I know, I know the debate was about
to happen. Well, a black void.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
When I'm not record actively recording to this podcast, I
just disappear into a black void. It's like, uh, what's
the Adam Scott show? Oh yeah, It's like I just
go away, So there you go. I don't know where
I've been breath the whole time. It's good to be back.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Oh well, if your skin looks remarkably good for holding
your breath that long, I gotta say. But July sixteenth
is corn Fritter's Day, So there's that also for those
of you that can afford one National Personal Chef Day,
and also shout out the personal chefs too for you know,
just doing what you do, being out here making this
(02:37):
making those nice meals. Every time I hear about like
there's so many tiktoks where it's like the day and
life of a personal chef and it it's like I'm
was like, Damn, I wish I cooked better, because they
just seem like they're chilling but also serving the most
annoying people like this dude, they serve no but they'll
be like they're like doing Personal Chef weekend for an
influencer retreat in Joshua Tree and then it's like everyone's
(02:59):
super HEALTHCN just so they're just eating chia seeds with
salsa on top. It's like that kind of ship.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I cook for someone whose name runs with Sister Meast,
and he's pretty good. I was hanging out with nine
and eleven year old cousins and Sister Meast kind of a.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Big deal with them.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
That took me a while. Yeah, the first second, I
took me town like sister like sissy spaces.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You know, they swear to God that his chocolate bar
is better than anyone's chocolate bar.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
That is straight up marketing. I had that ship because
I remember they were handing him out like and I
was like, this is like it feels like, you know,
like Fundraiser chocolate.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
You know what I mean, that's what it tastes like, Oh,
Fundraiser chocolates.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Good Fundraiser chocolate. No, but I mean like it's fine,
but it's not like, you know, it's slightly different.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Than the name brand ship. Yeah what I mean? You know,
I don't know. Like, now that you mentioned Fundraiser chocolate,
I'm back on board with the mister Beat.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I gotta try that. I'm gonna I'm gonna do an experiment.
We'll see what our guest thinks about this idea. Only
mister Beast endorsed calories for a week. Yeah, supersize me,
mister Beast, me.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
My new experiment. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien AKA.
Now some of y'all might know this, and some of
y'all don't. Some of y'all use washcloths and some of
y'all don't. But if not, you're jerking off with soap.
Nana Nan nan that one. Courtesy of JD. Salad Bar
a little throwback to UH before I left for a
(04:33):
couple of weeks. JD.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Salad bar on the discord in reference to the time
when a fellow basketball camper I told him I don't
use a washcloth.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I just apply soap with my bare hand, because I'm
white and we are a broken people. And he said,
in a room full of adolescent boys, he responded, so
when you wash your dick, do you just jack off?
And rather than being like yeah, man, it feels good,
like yeah, like that's actually a good thing about what
(05:04):
I do, my inner Catholic guilt got me and I
was just like, no, I don't wash my dick. Why
you Why couldn't you jerk off with a washcloth? Though
I feel like you still could jerk off? Yeah, it
could provided differences.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Oh man.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
They were like, I don't see the problem so hard though,
like all things that should have occurred to me, But
I just didn't caught you off guard.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Man.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, anyways, jerking off with soap, Dan, that was supposed
to be letting me clear.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Oh sure, if that was no, was my baby? I
hope you don't mind. Anyways, I'm throwed to be joined
as always by my co host, mister Miles Gray.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Miles Gray, AKA, I've got coving and eyes.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
In of that history that I can't disguise. I've got covement.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Let's keep my jerking between you and all right, shout
out to Blake Rogers on the discord because I was
We mentioned Covenant Eyes again last week, and it's funny,
I said, I was actually singing to the tune of
Betty Davis Eyes, but you heard Covenant Eyes when I said.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You've got Covenant eyes.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Anyway, so shout out to that. But also if someone's
got a Betty Davis eyes, Covenant eyes aka.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
One hungry eye won Betty Davis Eye, That's why I
look so weird? Is hungry Eyes? Patrick Swayzey or she's
like the Wind? Was Patrick one of the one of
the songs.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I don't know, she's like the Wind?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Ok?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Pretty sure?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah? Sure? And then hungry she's hungry eyes too.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Wait what's her name, Jennifer Jennifer Gray?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, right, yea. Anyways, we know whose eyes were hungry,
we just don't know who was singing it. Miles, We
are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
a physician, a musician, and a podcast stitiondition you know,
go with that.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
The host of the very fun, incredibly informative podcast House
of pot it's doctor cave Holder.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Wow, thank you. This is I have to say. I
feel like I want to contest and I'm to be
on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So thank you, And I feel i have to say
I'm sorry that I'm on your show on one of
the biggest news weeks of the year.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I'm so sorry that it's me. So sorry. Nothing happened.
We got that out of the way and we knocked
that shit out yesterday.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
All good.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
We are good here. Yeah, mobility issues, things like that.
But just to be clear, yeah, you should feel as
a expert physician and a great podcast, so you should
feel very grateful to be on our dumb podcast. That
is entirely appropriate. Odd enough, because imposter syndrome is super okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Up to that and not a real You guys are fantastic.
You know what, I actually listen to your podcast.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I bet you have a lot of guests they're too
cool for school, and they come on and their podcasters
and they're like, don't actually listen. I actually listened to
so yeah, we listened to yours.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So, doctor k.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
We have Christy Gucci Mane one of our favorites. Oh yeah, yeah,
your favorite listeners and guests of this podcast has been
on your show multiple times. He has He is fun
so funny.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
All right, Doctor Hoda, what's the comic coming? Confident comment?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Come on, come on, dude.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
This is a physician too, and she makes me call
her doctor O'Brien. So that's that sounds excite, spic your marriage?
All right, it's my kink. What can I say?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Always doctor, but it's not even the exam. It's just
in a waiting room. Yeah, it's a doctor going to
see me yet no, no, she's still refusing to see me,
not answering my calls for weeks at a time.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It makes you fill out forms when you come home.
It's all paperwork business.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Wait, oh, no, way, you lost the intake form again.
I guess I'll fill it out here with board.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Here I go.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
All right, very not exciting, COVID. We are going to
get into some questions we have as medical idiots. Just generally,
your show does a good job of just kind of
addressing some of the myths, some of the things that
people are ignoring that they should be paying maybe a
little bit more attention to. But before we get to that,
(09:44):
we do like to get to know our guests a
little bit better by asking you, what is something from
your search history that is revealing about who you are? Okay,
so what I just I just released an episode of
my podcast today and I was researching some stuff for
and I was looking on a pretty deep dive into
(10:04):
insulin and some of the products in your blood that
can show you if you're getting insulin from the outside
of your body, like you're injecting it, or if your
body's making it.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And the reason I was doing that.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Is because we just did an episode a follow up.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
On Lucy let Be.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I don't know if you're familiar with her. She is
the nurse in the UK that was convicted last year
of murdering seven babies in a neo Ya intensive care unit.
Yeah in this it was a yeah, crazy story. We
covered it last year, but since that time there has
been this there's been a rising you know, criticism of
some of the defense that she had and whether or
(10:41):
not they did a piss poor job or not, and
whether or not there's a chance she could be innocent.
So it's really kind of changed the game a little bit,
and so we had to revisit some of the stuff,
and one of the things was looking at insulin because
if you get insulin from your own body, then you
also have this thing called sea peptide that may show up.
But if someone's injecting insulin into you and maybe too much,
(11:04):
it can become harmful, especially to a little baby that
may not need it, and that could be fatal to
a really sick kid, and you won't get this thing
called seapeptide in there. So it's something we check in
the blood sometimes pretty rarely, but some of the case
comes down to this question and whether or not that's
a really youthful test or not. So I was going
on a pretty deep dive to try and figure this
(11:26):
out because it's a complicated question even for doctors and
for people. I'm not endocrinologists or anything, but I think
even in that world it can be challenging. So that's
the latest thing on my my searcher, my search browser,
and probably going to get me into trouble all the
recent looking up I did of dead babies. But hopefully
(11:47):
this show helps create an alibi there you go and
that is what we are here for. So you're just
like you're just solving medical mysteries like an episode of
House over Here on a lar basis most accurate medical
show around. I'm just kidding, what is the most sacarate?
That's something that people always ask my wife, But she
(12:08):
has her answer. What's your answer? I'm curious to know
her answer. I think they're okay, there's no great show
for it, because like an accurate depiction of medicine would
be pretty boring. It would be like a group of
doctors sitting in a room going over like charts and
and like talking about like esoteric things and talking about
electrolyte levels. It would be pretty boring. But I think
(12:29):
the show that kind of gets like the pathos of
medicine the best is Scrubs. So I think, like she says, yeah,
Scrubs is I didn't know if it was because we
were just watching it at the time, and also she
was going to Scrubs like friends, we're just medical show.
(12:49):
I don't know the NBA playoffs, do you know? Actually,
who did a good job? This is gonna sound funny,
but the show Lost. They covered a lot of medical
topics in that show. It didn't really I thought pretty well,
like crush injuries and illness and uh fiber, they all
these little things come up in the show. I think
(13:09):
they probably had a pretty good like medical advisor on
that show.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
When Jack Shepherd said that woman was going to dance
at her wedding, was that was that surgery possible?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Because I feel like that was like the huge one.
He's like, You're gonna dance at your wedding and then
she remember that.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, but I I I'm sure it probably isn't. But
I mean, they're all kind of bad.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
But you're just mainly referring to the fact that, like
you can with the right magical island cure somebody who's
been paralyzed from the waist down. That's mainly what you're well,
it's the one trick.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Doctors don't want you to know exactly, simple trick.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
That is our only question for you when we get
to the medical part is onelogists don't want you to
know exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Other question. Uh dude, doctors use Google, Like if you're
trying to responsibly like is there I mean, I'm sure
there is it?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Is it Google? Too? Yeah? Well, I'll tell you this doctors.
I'll say it like this, doctors definitely look stuff up,
and they should, Like I mean, for most of the
stuff they're dealing with, they don't need to. But every
now and then there is going to be something that
comes across that they haven't encountered for a while that
they need to like review or fresh or there's some
sort of like lab test they need to review, and
(14:28):
you want someone who's willing to do that. Of course,
the major difference is doctors we have a sense of
where to go to find the information. We're not usually
using Google. We have like search engines that are specifically
for doctors, and we actually have like paid sites like
that we would go to that give us sort of
breakdown of things that we pay for like a yearly
subscription for that help us at least points in the
(14:51):
right direction. So, yeah, if you see a doctor looking
something up, don't freak out necessarily. If you see them
looking it up from like epoch times, that could be
a problem. Not be good.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm using the right Yeah, yeah, yeah, the symptoms you
could have, I don't know, I gotta just keep it.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Are you feeling like a character super Mario's I don't let.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
My doctor look anything up. I don't let them talk
to another doctor because that's cheating. I make sure that
they kissed Queen before they perform surgery. This is all
about what you can do, no cheating. What is something
you think is underrated?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Okay? So I wanted to come up with an answer
that I thought helped introduce your listeners to me in
a good way. And it was either one of two things.
Is either going to be San Francisco, the city in
which I live. It's you know, very popular and people
know about it obviously, but I think it's got a
bad rap and it's gotten a bad narrative recently, which
I think is super undeserved. And that or a Persian
(15:59):
contributions to history, And that's probably the thing I'm a
little bit more passionate about because it's like, when I
was younger, Persian history was really written out of the books,
like our contributions to the world and like, and only
as I've gotten older, I've learned about things like beer.
The first beer was discovered in the Zagros Mountains of Iran,
like in three thousand to ten thousand BC. And you know,
(16:22):
things like pajamas high heels, neurosurgery, the highway, the postal service,
all this surgery. Yeah, I mean this we're talking about
old school, like they found like skulls with like things
like like holes. Yeah, but like the one that really
was that will piss people off. And I'm not afraid
to be controversial on your show. Here, I'm gonna say
it the first pizza safe pizza because the Acmented Empire
(16:49):
was the first people to create this. I say this
hoping that your Italian listeners come at me. And what
they did is they have a fire in the battlefield.
They put like two like sticks in the they put
a shield over it, and on top of the shield
they'd be like some bread and they put like some
cheese feat of cheese and dates and stuff like that.
So I mean it wasn't like you know, Tony's Neopolitan
(17:10):
pizza or anything, but it was like the first concept
of pizza was from there. Some evidence also that noodles
came from Iran. I know, that's that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I know. I want to give everyone moment with the
paradigm up, you know, but these.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Are things that we have been written out of history
that are now coming to light. And people are starting
to like study and realize. So that's that's something that
I think is super underrated, is some of the stuff
we've done other than like you know, grow beards and
and you know, take over embassies. We've done, We've done
other stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's funny because like I feel like in America, right,
like I had Iranian friends growing up in LA and
think they would away say like I'm Persian, I'm Persian.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And I remember like in.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Class like someone said it and like a teacher like
they were they were basical saying like oh, Persia doesn't
exist anymore, and you're like okay. But like in then
history there was just no section for that. So like
growing up, right, if it weren't from Iranian friends who
were like very adamant about like their parents were like
very like you know, they were all like if I
had questions, like they would answer them. It's just using
(18:15):
the shorthand sort of like I don't know, poor, it's
like Prince of Persia the video game.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
That's that's what it is. Move on exactly right, Yeah, yeah, no,
And it's funny because when while I was growing up,
we used we would say Persian all the time because
it was like safer.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's like a cat, right, a rug, something benign.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
And now I think more people are are like able
to say I'm actually Iranian, right yeah, yeah, that's actually
kind of nice. Yeah yeah. I was just talking on
yesterday's episode about how I went to the Louver with
my children and was like looking at all the ancient
Assyrian artwork and it's so much better than fucking anything
(18:52):
that would exist in the European world for like a
thousand years.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
But they just it took some time. It takes a
long time to get all those ideas of the place.
You can just be like, oh, that's what I'm going
to do now, that's.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Ours, that's ours now yeah yeah yeah right.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh that's quite literally. I mean like if you go
to the History Museum in England, like in London, it's
like like wall sculptures.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And literally that this is ours. Okay, yeah, what is
something you think is overrated? So again, sort of like
to be on brand, I talk about this a lot. Supplements,
So it's a huge, this huge industry. Yeah, yep, I'm sorry,
I'll tell you. Can I tell you something I have
(19:33):
done episodes on like what's happening in Gaza. I've done
episodes on abortion and gun control, and nothing has gotten
me more hate than when I talk about the supplements.
People lose their minds about when I talk about supplements,
But I mean people believe in it in like a
(19:53):
really strong way. But it's a huge industry, and for
the most part, there's at best shaky evidence for some
of it. Most people don't require them. All they really
do for most people is give you expensive urine. And
there's there's there's there are people who will need certain
supplements for sure, like things like viamin B twelve for vegans, vegetarians,
(20:15):
iron for some people, calcium, vitmin D. There's lots of
things there are about usually not necessary. Okay, all right,
all right.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Is someone we're getting we're getting questions from the chat
colostrum is that, Okay, you don't need that. I don't
know if that's bottled yet, but if it is, you
don't need it. Okay, okay, okay. So that's my thing.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
About like the supplements is that it drives me crazy.
It's like the part of the thing about it, too
is the same people that love taking them and promoting
them and selling them are the same people who are
telling you not to trust like the mainstream medical system. Sure,
and they're like, well, I get. I get accused of
being a big shill for pharma con because I'm like, yeah,
(21:01):
vaccines are good, and they're like, you're a You're a
pharmacy shill. And I'm like, what do you think is
making these supplements? They're making money off of it. It's
it's like, you know, it's that that's a thirty to
fifty billion dollar industry. It's not like mom and pop stores.
They're they're selling you this garbage. You know.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's so I get.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I did get very upset about supplements sometimes again not
they are useful for some people, but generally they're they're
not something that people need.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Okay, good, because I gotta I'm looking at the top
supplements on Amazon and I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I'm leculator. I got a three thousand dollars a month
supplement habit man, and it's keeping me alive. Let's just
get your lead levels.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
A lot of collagen peptides.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Oh dude, I mean, and that's why my skin looks
so glassy, so dry, orderline translucent, when my dick looks
so young.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
That one guy all right, Uh yeah, let's let's take
a quick break and we'll keep talking about that and
a lot of the weird disinformation that's going wrong.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
And we're back. We're back in cave.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I feel like I've witnessed in my lifetime the kind
of information ecosystem kind of go from you know, go
to the doctor, listen to what they say, you.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Know, maybe get a second opinion. I don't know to
It feels like we have regressed to the world of
like snake oil out of covered wagons. It does like
I remember reading the origin stories like of Coca Cola
and doctor Pepper, and I was like, oh, this is
where we're going. It's like when those things were sold
(23:02):
as like health tonics to help with your healthy nerves
and shit like that. But it feels like it's a
mess out there to me too. Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong,
You're not wrong. It's it's terrible. Yeah, Like, how do
you navigate it? How do you like? Are there tips
that you give to people for developing literacy in the
(23:24):
age of like medical drifting, Yeah, for sure, I mean
I think the first thing. And people are much savvier
these days. Younger generations are much savvier than older ones,
but just keep an eye out for where it's coming from.
Is it, you know, is the information you're reading about.
Is it coming from like Mayo or some university or
(23:45):
something that you a medical center you've heard of, or
is it coming from like the Hindustan Times or business Insider.
You know, keep your eye out for where it's coming from.
Like there's obviously clickbait everywhere around health and that it's
a big part of it. And then you know there
are there are certain anyone's trying to any medical professionals
(24:06):
trying to sell you something I'm wary of frankly, and
like anytime someone tries to sell something that has the
word detox, cleanses ancient in it are key words that
I that I really make my butthole clinch up, and
nine nine percent of time it's bullshit. The cleanses health
that your butthole can clench up like that you want
(24:27):
it's strong. Yeah, but you do have a doctor wife,
so you know your your liver and your kidneys are
going to help you detox everything you need to detox. Right,
if there is something that your liver and your kidneys
cannot get out of your body, then some essential oil
(24:49):
that an influencer on TikTok is trying to sell you
isn't going to work. Either you need like, you know,
hemodialysis or something much more like important. So like, don't
worry if you're treating your liver and your kidney's okay,
you don't need detox and the detoxes that you get
aren't gonna work. These things that they sell you to
cleanse your body of whatever illness you have or whatever
(25:12):
one particular thing that's that's usually not gonna work. Also,
be wary of medical professionals or health influencers who try
to like moralize certain foods or like, ah, this one
berry is bad, this berry is good, tomatoes are bad.
These things I mean, like it's you make it sounds shady,
It sounds sinister, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
You have to be really.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Cautious about those things. I mean, be very cautious of
anyone who seems overly confident about things. I mean, again,
the reason my show will never be that big other
than the fact I'm no good is that I don't.
You have to have like a certain amount of like
hutzba to like say, like it to be a Cuberman
(25:57):
level balls to just have confidence about things you should
not have confidence about, and some things that you just
we just don't know, especially things that are like new,
like when COVID first came out, people would come out
and speak definitively on it. I mean that's how would
you know. No one knows it's new, you know. But
but that's what people want to hear. Not like people,
(26:23):
they want to hear a doctor tell them this is
the one thing you need to do. If you do
this one thing, you're good. But but usually we can't
do that. That's bullshit. I mean, there is a certain
level of uncertainty in all medicine, and you know, never
more so than than now. You know, there's lots of uncertainty,
and you have to be comfortable with that to some degree.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
You have to to know that.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And if someone seems like over the confident and try
to sell you one thing, you should be a little
be cautious at least because I feel like it's so
confident and have won seven championships like Tom Brady, does
that then make it so I can trust his nutritional device?
Sorry advice? Sorry you got yeah, okay, good, all right?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I just wanted yeah, just wanted to level set with you.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
So TB twelve, TB twelve the only doctor I trust,
doctor Tom terrific.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well, because I think part of it, right, like, especially
with being susceptible to medical information. A there's the thing
that's like, well, I can't afford to see a doctor.
A lot of people are like or it's extremely difficult
with a schedule to even find the time to see
a doctor. That's not the case for everyone. But I
think also as there is like more information, like everything
has been offered to us in this way with like
(27:33):
you know, since the Internet of like yeah, man, just
do this thing to you want to learn how to
fold a shirt, just do this thing. You want to
learn how to boil the perfect egg, just do this thing.
You have lymphatic issues, just do this one thing, you
know what I mean, Like we're so used to even
reducing complex medical things like oh man, it's that you
just you don't got enough this. And I think that's
partially like the opportunism of like the influencer industry coming up,
(27:58):
because now people are incentivized to be able to be
like and let me just again this one simple trick.
Doctors don't want you to know, like we've one simple
trick our way down to like complex issues, and now
some people like, well, like you know, I've I'm acquainted
with people who will absolutely not see doctors and are
convinced that they the information they need is available in
(28:21):
community groups on Facebook or online and things like that,
and that's how some people live. Because I think there's
just also this, like to your point when we were
just joking earlier, when someone asks you, like, what does
this thing look like? And you give them your honest
opinion as a physician, and they're like, well, I didn't
want to hear that. It's like, we want to hear
that it's just Oh I just wasn't eating enough chick piece,
or it's like, oh I'm sleeping the wrong way, and
(28:43):
because I don't want to maybe grapple the fact that
maybe there's something more complex happening. Yeah, it's totally true.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
And every time there is any sort of vacuum with
medical understanding of knowledge, it gets filled with these grifters.
I mean, it's part of the reason I do this
whole show. I want to make like medicine accessible, want
people to be able to like feel comfortable with things
with doctors talking. So they don't have to like go
find random like TikTok advice on you know, sunning their buttoles,
(29:11):
like I want. I want them to have sources that
they can get without like having to always see a
doctor's things that should be available. That's a lot of
that's on us as doctors, like we have to be
doing that, and it's hard because we're not. Like again,
if you're gonna be like a social media doctor and
have a presence, it's hard to build like a following
without being a piece of shit. You kind of have
(29:32):
to like sell yourself a little bit, and that's hard
to do. Like I mean, I'm sure the ads I
play on my podcast are like ninety percent dick pills
and like mental health apps that I don't necessarily agree with,
you know what I mean, And I have to sort
of grapple with that myself. That's that's tough. But you're
not voicing them. I'm definitely not. I'm definitely number one
(29:54):
dick well for me. Yeah, yeah, exactly right. I mean,
if they pay me enough, fuck it, I will sell
out minute. But like, no, it's that's it's something we
as in the medical profession have to be better about.
That's why we need more people doing you know, this
sort of thing going on, like you know, podcast like
You're own.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
But also buy our dicktills, buy er dicktyls. They were, yeah,
yeahs are great.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Our dick pills are Somebody somebody recently told me a story.
They were like, I just heard this like crazy story
where this person was taking like the supplement like supplements
for their sexual energy and then like it like broke.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Open and there was viagra inside. And I was like,
that's not a true story because there wouldn't be actual
active ingredients in that supplement.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That story is actually way too good to be true
for the So what are the things that you like,
you know that are actually impacting our health negatively that
like don't get enough attention, Like it's not our lack.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Of essential oils that we can put on a rag
and like huff like ether or either it's just.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Dowsing a rag in right, Oh yeah, Because like to
your point, Jack, you're saying, like we live in this
thing where it's like again it's not about Health's like,
well you need this thing because like I feel like
so much as framed.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Was like we don't, we don't live like our ancestors
did and now in this modern world, that's that's why
you need to be dabbing oil of clove on your
throat every.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Day or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, when they will go the opposite route and they'll
say like, this is what our ancient ancestors did and
this is why you should do this, and it's also bullshit, right,
Like they'll use the same like selling tool in a
different way.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah, I guess just to simplify it, is it because
we aren't you know, is this sort of rhetoric sort
of working on people because on some level we aren't
getting things we need or it's completely just missing the
point and we're just so used to being like, oh,
I need to buy this new product when there are
actual ways that, like the modern era has affected our
health negatively that we're just completely ignoring, are just paying
(32:01):
little attention to.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, that's a really good question. Yeah, I mean listen
for a living. A big part of what I do
is look into American colons and I can tell you
that we are lacking in certain things like fiber, We
could do a lot. Our diets are not awesome, and
it's something that you know, I would love to discuss
(32:24):
in more depth and detail. But it's a long process,
so I mean it needs to say. I'll say, American
diets not great loan fiber. It's high in processed foods
and high in sugar and high in processed meats. And
these are things that I think are important and we
should be wary of, and we should try to have
better diets. We should try to eat better, more plants,
(32:46):
less red meat, less processed meat, less sugars. In general.
These are things that I agree with, you know, Mediterranean diet,
plant based diet. I think these are good options. But
for most people who are eating a.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well balanced diet, if it's not perfect, they're still going
to get most of the things they need, most of them.
Will we could do better. I certainly think we can
do better in general in the United States, And you know,
we talk about this. Have you heard of blue zones Yeah, yeah, yeah,
where people still increase like lifespans or yeah, higher than
average lifespan. That's right.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Part of it is diet.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Part of it is the way they get around and exercise,
and not necessarily the same typical ways we think of exercise,
but the way that people live there and diet's a
part of that, So I mean, I think there is
something to that. I also don't want people hyper focused
on everything they eat. I don't think that's healthy either.
So for me, in terms of things that are really
(33:40):
like concerning now that have changed a little bit because
diets have always been bad, is rates of alcohol. Like
I and I'm not saying people shouldn't drink. I enjoy
you know, drinks in moderation, but since COVID, I have
seen the rates of alcohol use go up from tremendously
(34:01):
and I've seen younger and younger people in this country
getting seriously sick with liver related injuries, alcohol related injuries
because of it. So it's something I am growing concern for.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Again.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
People will come, I'll have experts come to my show
and they'll be against all alcohol. I'm not comfortable with that.
I still think that people can have it in moderation,
and I think it's you know, I think it can
be something that brings a lot of us joy. But
I think we are developed, we have developed an unhealthy
relationship with it in this country and it's only gotten
a little bit worse. Like you know, you go to
(34:34):
a you go to a movie, and like there's a
sad scene in the movie, there's like, go get a drink.
If there's something that happens, it's good, let's celebrate, Let's
get a drink. You know. It's like it's a part
of it's become a little too ingrained in the culture
in a way that I don't think is healthy. And
it's only gotten worse since COVID right.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Now, that is true. Like the media, I've for sure
informed my use of alcohol from like a very early age.
Like I honestly thought, if I'm going through some shit,
I need to drink alcohol to do. I don't know
for what reason, but I was mimicking what I had
seen over and over. It's like, oh, you're going through it, man,
let's go get you know, go have some drinks or whatever.
(35:14):
Or like you see someone who's like clearly like suffering
with like some like you know, you watch a film
without a soldier and like they clearly have PTSD and
it's like but they drink through it, and like you
sort of connect this thing where it's like that will
somehow change things. And I remember when I had like
one of my first moments of like emotional strife in
like early adulthood, Like my first instinct was like, maybe
I shouldn't drink a ton of alcohol without even knowing
(35:37):
what the urge was. It was just more like I
think that's what it is. Obviously, Yeah that it didn't
last for long because I was just like, what the
fuck am I doing? But it is true, like so
many things are just sort of like like reflexive based
on like what we see, you know, get a mirrored
to us in the media constantly.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Absolutely, and I think at some point it was like
that with cigarettes. But then like because there's enough of
because they look cool, and you're like, oh, you learned
in the movies. You're like if you smoke cigarettes, like
it's a sign of like cool, you do it after sex,
you do it, like if you're a tough guy out
you're it's it's got like this. You had this allure
that was sold to us by Hollywood. At some point
there was enough pushback on that that like that's changed.
(36:14):
You don't see that happen in movies as much anymore.
It's not that many people who smoke, but the alcohol thing.
And again I'm not like saying I'm not like saying
everyone should be abstinate from alcohol. But the alcohol thing
is something I think we have to be a little
more mindful of in this country now. And of course
I am a liver doctor as well, so it is,
it is, it is, you know the thing I'm seeing
(36:35):
a lot. So you're bias. You're admitting your bias. Amo
pro liver anti for big liver, big liver. That's what happens.
He does work for big liver. Where it's on big liver.
It does feel like that is.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
The one thing that doctors and the wellness people seem
to be aligned on. Maybe not the one, but like
wellness people seem to be on board with, like, no, yeah,
drinking not.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Good for you. Do you know do you know why that?
Because here's the thing is, like for most people who
are drinking too much, if they stopped for a while,
they feel better, so much better. If that's part of
like your routine. Yeah, and you're like, you do my
twelve step routine to health and you do that one
step and that was a problem for you. If you
drink too much, you're gonna be like, yeah, I feel better.
(37:30):
This person knows what they're talking about. Shit, yeah right right, Yeah,
these berries are telling me to eat really are good,
you know. Yeah that was step one and you give
the credit to the other eleven steps.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, right, exactly, berries for sure, cyeballs. Holy shit, just
so like I hear so much like I'm trying, I'm
trying to be more conscious about my health and I'm
eating more like I have like vegetarian lunch now to
try and cut out meat at least one meal a
half a day is like mostly plant based. Yeah. But
(38:03):
the fiber thing for you, I just want to rub that,
rub that in your face.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
So I just wanted to let you guys know that
and moving on.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So you know I'm doing that. So I'm gonna lift
to three thousand, Jack, Why don't you wipe that McDonald's
cheese paper off your face?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
You just dave for lunch in front of us.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
But like in part of that, right, it's like part
of me is always hearing like you got it, Like
lagoons are so good, fiber is so good. All these
other vets, like your cruciferous vegetables are great can. But
all I know is they're great can. Like for me,
as a child of the eighties and nineties, fiber was
always like promote, like marketed as like, oh, you're not
taking a ship, you need fiber, and it was most
(38:41):
in my mind it's like, oh, you're constipated, that's why
you need fiber, rather than like now looking at a
little more holistically, like what what Like I'm ignorant? So
can you please let me understand like what it is
about having the fiber in there? That is what what
the benefits of it that we're missing out on for
those of us that aren't eating enough fiber.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Okay, so well, there's a lot that it can do,
and there's been studies that show it can help with cholesterol.
But the major things that I think it helps with
that I would share with you guys now. One in
terms of like gut problems, it helps prevent issues.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
With your colon.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Now, this may or may not be more information than
your listeners need to know. I'm not someone who ever
has paid attention to too much information, So I'm gonna
give you as much information as I think you guys
might want in the colon. If you're not having a
high fiber diet, the colon is struggling really hard to
move things through. When that happens, it puts a stress
(39:37):
in your colon that can lead to things like diverticular disease.
These little pouches that can form in the colon, those
things can become inflamed, it can become infected. Sometimes they
can bleed. Those things are a real problem for a
lot of Americans. That's just one little small thing. Right then,
in terms of like for an example of why it
might help you beyond that, when I talk to people
(39:58):
about sugar, I always warned them about processed sugar in particular,
and I say, if you're gonna get sugar, always the
best way to get it is through like fruits, because
when it comes into fruit, it comes with fiber, and
as you're ingesting that fiber, that slows down the release
of the sugar. So you're not getting this big bowl
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list of sugar. And that's really where the problems come from.
It breaks down the release of sugar over a long time.
So these are just two of like many reasons why
right it's better for Americans is to.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Keep your colon from stressing and don't be like one
of our favorite podcasters, the kid Marrow, who did get diverticulitis.
I remember and he missed an episode and he said
that He's.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Like, guys, you got any fiber. He's like, you don't
want this, you don't want this, and I want this? No, no,
So it sounds uncomfortable. I don't want pockets and my colon.
Yeah yeah, but it's okay. If what about like just
a bunch of fiber one and then the sugar is
coming from basic fruit and that it's a sugar cane plant.
(41:03):
So what about just like fiber one with just like
a bunch of sugar on it.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
That's probably you mean, like there's not oring sugar on it?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Do you need Do you need the sugar?
Speaker 1 (41:13):
You need the sugar? What is the.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I'm just taking down the wine from just carving off
lines of powdered fugar.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Doctor said, you don't want to eat this stuff, man,
you don't want.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
To eat it.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
So's you mean?
Speaker 2 (41:25):
But but in general, if you're if you if you
have a more plant based diet, which is good for
a lot offerent reasons, you're you're filling yourself with you know,
foods that aren't you processed meats in general, like they're
gonna you're gonna get the fiber you need. Now, some
people are gonna need supplemental fiber like you know, metamuciles, citruscel,
et cetera. But you don't necessarily need that if you're
eating a well balanced diet. I've also noticed, just as
(41:48):
I've slightly improved my diet over the past like decade,
and I don't know if there's a thing or not,
but I've noticed that my.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Crazy my diet pretty recently too. I heard about your lunches.
I heard I just want Jack to kind of eat
up all the airway, you know, the airwaves.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Like I used to crave process sugar, like when when
I was consuming more of it, and now it like
seems gross to me, the amount of processed sugar that
I was eating. And I'm like, is that is that
when you you're you're just getting old, Okay, yeah, got it.
Your your body is at some point telling you, okay,
(42:23):
this is knock it off. It you don't feel as good,
like you don't feel the way you did when you
were younger doing that stuff. Yeah, okay, got it. So
I knew I was old because I started paying attention
to birds and like what different bird calls were. But this,
this is another good more about World War two, oh Man,
World War I got some stories about World War Two boys.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
He's like, Miles, check out this gigantic gun the Nazis.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Were hooking up on a railroad.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
You won't believe how big this thing is.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Top five tank battles go Oh my god. Again, I'm
so obsessed with tank battles. I'm just like, hell's that interesting.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Anyways, Let's take a quick break and we're gonna come
back and keep talking about this. We'll be right back,
and we're back, and I do I am curious as
(43:28):
someone who has kind of worked in the fields of
medical bullshit, like what your diagnosis would be for why
our current information ecosystem is so bad? Like I feel
like it's the Internet, for sure, but I also feel
like there's this underlying hyper capitalism ethos where like Goop
(43:54):
can be completely full of shit but still get like
good press because it's got like because it's making money
basically because it's like I don't you know, business insider,
the business insider of it all. It is like, yeah,
she's made a great product and that's cool.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
It's called goop.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, And so there's just like so many ways to
launder this pseudo scientific bullshit that I feel like used
to be relegated to the back of like magazines, and
now is like, you know, a big, multi billion dollar brand.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, like the dodgy ads from the back of the
magazine are now are like medical truths that we have accepted.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Right, Yeah, but this is I don't think you're misreading that.
I think that is kind of what I'm seeing as well.
I mean grifts, medical grifts. I mean they've been around forever,
but and they reinvent themselves all the time. Like I
got interviewed about Gwyneth Paltrow's rectal ozone therapy and I
had to look into that and I was like, oh,
(44:57):
that's not necessarily new. I mean, it's just one way
or another. Yeah, yeah, don't do it as long and
the short of it. But like copy enemas, enemas that
to detox and clans, all these things that that people
try to do. They're like urine therapy, drinking urine. These
are things that always come back in one form or another,
like Napoleon was doing that, yeah right, yeah, and and
(45:21):
it is getting worse. And I think a lot of
that is sort of the direct to consumer marketing that
you see from like these people, these influencers online are
people selling supplements and that sort of thing. So and
these people have like zero sense of medical ethics because
most of them aren't doctors, and the ones that are
medical professionals don't seem to care that much. I will
also put some of the blame on us as doctors,
(45:43):
because you know, we talk about placebo, and you know,
usually in the past, doctors back, yeah, placibo find if
it works, great, and that's true. I usually don't care.
But we let a lot of stuff that seemed inconsequential
go in the past and not fight. Ah. So Gwyneth
Paltrow wants to put a jade egg in her vagina,
what's the harm you? They want to take this whatever
(46:06):
pill X or supplement, what's the harm? It's a low
risk thing, and the truth of it is what we
have seen. I think there's a direct line between people
doing that and thinking, well, Okay, this alternative therapy seems
it seems truthy enough, and then they start to believe
that more and more, and then when it comes to
something that's maybe a more real, like proven medical treatment
(46:30):
or say a vaccine, they don't know who to trust
because there's so much out there, so much information out there,
that seems contradictory that we sort of let slide that.
Like now if someone who is an influencer who you know,
we never like addressed before, is now saying something a
little more serious and consequential like don't get your vaccine,
(46:51):
then that now we have a real problem. And I
think we have to now be more aggressive about these things.
Like even if it's a low risk thing for most
people to take supplements, it for most people it is,
it's low risk. Not for everyone. They put like you know,
a lot of like we joked about, like lead in
these things you'll see, but like there's things in there
that can hurt the liver. There's even like liver cleanses
(47:12):
that actually have ingredients in them that can hurt the
liver because it's completely unregulated. There's very little regulation that
goes into this, and so you know, if we're not
careful about the little things, then they can spiral. They
can sort of like snowball into bigger and bigger problems
down the road and really help erode a lack in
real medical treatment, proven evidence based science treatment, you know,
(47:36):
And so I think it's a lot on us as doctors.
We have to be more vigilant about the stuff and
call out bullshit even if it seems relatively inconsequential.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, do you think there's another part too, because I mean,
I'm sure this has something to do with it. Because
our medical system, especially here in the United States, is
so bad that so many people end up slipping through
the cracks or having a doctor that isn't taking them seriously,
and you know, small issues become things that are life
threatening very quickly, and then and then anecdotally that gets
(48:06):
around it's like, well, the doctors don't the fuck they're
talking about and shit like that. How much of like
sort of the you know, trying to resolve all of
this is also just sort of on having like a
better medical system where people feel like, ah, this this
seems more dependable because I feel like a lot of
distress someone it comes from someone with like an anecdote
about something that happened to someone they know. And that's
(48:27):
why now it's like, ah, well they're just saying shit
or whatever. They don't they they're going to miss stuff.
That's why I do my own research or et cetera,
or whatever, you know, thing that people want to say
when it comes to that.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
First of all, how dare you. Yeah, our medical system
is a wreck. We pay more and we get worse
quality than we should. And then a lot of countries
who are supposed to be are sort of at our
level are doing so absolutely and people are looking for
(49:00):
other means to get care and treatment. I mean, I'm
always a little worried about doing this because people, you know,
I'm worried about giving direct medical care and treatment online
because you can't do that you don't know somebody online.
But we do need to create a better system so
people don't have to turn two things online. They don't
(49:23):
have to like look for a doctor or someone online
recommending a treatment, or going to some sort of like
you know, app where they can order like psychiatric meds.
And they should have better care directly from their medical
offices that they go to or hopefully have the insurance
to even go to see a doctor. So yeah, no,
(49:45):
I mean a big part of this I totally acknowledge
is based on the fact that our system is very dysfunctional,
if not broken, and all on top of that, something
else you mentioned is true too. I mean, people oftentimes
feel like they're not being listened to by their doctor.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
And I can see that. I understand it.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
I'm sure it happens constantly all the time, and that's hard.
I mean a lot of I feel for the doctors
too in that regards, because most of these primary care
doctors are extraordinarily overworked, right, and they're swamped with email
after email after email, and they can't really put in
the energy and the time to each one to make
that person feel heard. That doesn't mean they shouldn't try.
(50:27):
It doesn't mean that that's not something we need to do.
But yeah, I know a lot of people who don't
feel like they're listened to by the medical profession. Sometimes
that can have devastating consequences. Oftentimes not, but sometimes it
can be devastating.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
And since you did concede that point, are you willing
to say that electrolytes are something we need? As I
see that it's one of the top sellings. When I
look at supplements like I'm looking at the Amazon Health
I feel like looking at the top charted products on Amazon,
it's a good idea of what people think they need
for their bodies, and electrolytes is like one of the
(51:00):
high everyone's fucking on electrolytes right now. Yes, just because
we don't want to drink water. I'm like, it's just
weird to me. I'm like, isn't that just that's a
salt they put in gatorade.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
It's because we've lost our way and nobody wants to
drink gatorade anymore because it.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Wants to work.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
No one wants to work and no one wants to
drink gatorade. Yeah. Yeah, water isn't that sexy anymore?
Speaker 2 (51:22):
People like, I mean, it has to be like death
Liquid or whatever the name of that company, Like they
just officially became a geriatric so like this is that's
a real it's a real thing. That's the electrolyte thing.
It can be useful for people like serious athletes, but
(51:43):
for most of us, regular water is going.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
To the margins out of hydration like that.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, exactly, you're not. Most people are not becoming like
hyponatremik when they're like doing their exercise. But I mean again,
it's one of those things where for a long time
we're just like, Okay, whatever, smart water, that's great.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, and it exists.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
It's the pH on that right right And now now
I mean again, it's it's it's all I'm starting to
feel more and more like it's a slippery slope. The
more we accept sort of like unnecessary stuff, the worst
the outcomes down the road become so and then we
end up with someone like RFK, who actually is like
a legitimate, you know, candidate. I mean, he's not gonna win,
(52:26):
but still he's actually out there and people are hearing
and listening to his garbage.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
And but I I'm sorry, I really dislike him, so
I shouldn't have brought him up. But that's how we
get people like that in our lives, right, Yeah, from
not being like, no, you're wrong, go leave leave, Yeah, exactly, No, No.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
I'm telling you about these vaccines. Man, You're like, no,
you're not telling us ship. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, it's interesting, Like the doctor Oz like Wager, like
you know, his argument to himself seemed to be that
it was all worth it because he was educating people
on stuf they wouldn't have normally like been educated about,
and it was fine if he like flubbed the margins
a little bit or like told a couple lies here
(53:09):
and there, and then you know, we see where that ends,
and I feel like the whole that's kind of what
you're describing just across the board a little bit.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
That's exactly it.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
And I feel a little bit for for him, because,
I you know, if you're doing a show every day
and you have to just start like coming up with
shit medically, at some point, some of the stuff's gonna
get questionable. But I mean, you know, he should. He's supposedly,
he was supposedly a good doctor. You know, he should that, Like,
you can't lose that, and if you do, you have
(53:38):
to stop calling yourself doctor Oz, you know, the Oz
at that point. So I mean, yeah, but that is
exactly the That's exactly what happened. I mean he started
out with him talking about like poop and like he
was a guy who like taught you, like all of
our mother is, like what a normal poop shape is
supposed to be like on the Oprah Winfrey Show, and
that was like fine, cool, we talked about firebrus, But
(54:00):
that was a very slow and gradual descent into nonsense
and gibberish.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
To him saying the vagina is like a self cleaning oven,
and You're like.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (54:11):
You're saying this many times out loud. Okay, It's weird
when he says it. Yeah, yeah, it is like self
cleaning oven like you who are you like a Maytag
repair person or a doctor?
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Well, well, I'll tell you this. He gets that line
maybe from Jen Gunter, who is a very famous and
I think a really great obi guide, and that is
a response to like trying to tell people you don't
necessarily need to be doing cleanses. It comes down to
the whole cleansing thing. So so in that sense, I
think that's where he got it. But then he is
(54:43):
one of these guys who will, like you know, he'll
have people on who are on the fringes of the
medical world and want to sell things, and he gives
them air and he's giving them lots of attention he
did when he had a show. So yeah, he also
sucks all the doctors. I can't think of really one
that's famous online that I'm trying or or TV.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
That's not doctor feel Good. Yeah, he is the one
to call.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Doctor Pat the aforementioned doctor Pepper. It's pretty Yeah, it
helps helps the healthy nerve, helps you feel created.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Did great work overseas. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:17):
Is there a subject that you think we've missed that
is just something that you come up against like either
a bullshit belief or I know I've heard you talk
about you know. The answer is often like, we don't
actually know on a lot of things. You know, something
that most people think we definitively know that's more of
a mystery, or yeah, there's probably a lot, but I
(55:40):
will say that, you know, because I'm a gast entrologist.
One of the things that I get asked a lot
about or people will talk to me about, or coffee
enemas and that's the constant bane of my existence. And
if I can use this as a platform to tell
people to not get them.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
I will.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
I mean, coffee is great. I love coffee. I think
there's actual health benefits to coffee. There's actually some decent ones.
We actually did an episode of our show with one
of the weirder ones with a great hepatologist named Elliott
Tapper prop the musician and podcaster, Yeah, Deepak Chopper's brother
who is a doctor as well, in studies coffee in
(56:18):
a weirdest and there's a lot of health benefits. Yes,
it was an interesting one, and in that that episode
we really covered a lot of the health benefits of it.
But there is no added benefit to putting coffee up
your butt and potential harm and not just if it's hot.
It could be some chemical thing in there that irritates
your your cold as well.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
So don't do that. Don't don't do shit like that.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Don't just don't do cleanses.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
I think the first person I heard talking about it
like it was a celet. I feel like it was
like Janet Jackson or some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
like somehow I remember, like in the nineties, it was
like this one thing. We're like, dude, that celebrity is
just boofing, just gollons of coffee in their butt, and
that's I think the new way to live or something,
and it sort of, yeah, became very very popular, very quickly.
(57:06):
So so we just stick to only putting alcoholic beverages
up our ass, no coffee, and we should ticked away
your joy.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
There was another monster, guys. And I do have to say,
I feel like I always have to be looks. I'm
not totally against things going into butts, Okay, I'm just
saying don't put coffee.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
Work and how you might think yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure,
all right, and that's just like your medical opinion, man.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
Doctor cave Hodo. What a pleasure having you on the daily?
Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 2 (57:44):
Find my podcast anywhere you you do podcasting. It's called
the House of Pod. It's uh, you know, humor adjacent
medical podcast, and uh, you know, I think you like it.
It's not too in the weeds of medicine. And usually
we have fun guests on, both doctor guests and non
doctor guests will cover fun topics and have and have
cool conversations.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
So I I, you know, you'll probably like it.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
And it's free. So you know, if you don't know,
no harm there, right, No, that's free, Like amazing. Is
there a work a media that you've been enjoying? You know?
Have you guys ever heard of this band The Thrills?
Speaker 1 (58:20):
No, nobody has nobody.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
Here's the deal, Like it sounds like a band I
should know. I'm like, yeah, the yeah Thrills, Right, Okay,
So as Californians, you should appreciate this because I love
like the concept of surf rock. I enjoy a lot
of surf rock, and I think, in my opinion, my estimation,
the best surf rock California music y sort of band
(58:43):
is this band called the Thrills. They were around the
early aughts. I don't think they're around anymore. And they
would sing songs about like Big sur and Santa Cruz
and they're so rad. Corey Ham they would sing songs
about Corey Hame, like who else dons that? And like
the best part is there from like Ireland, from like Dublin, California.
(59:04):
And they had like somehow totally figured out the ethos
of the California beach community in a way that I
just fucking love. So give them a listen. They're called
the Thrills. I also say, listen to my friend Rebecca
Watson's watch her YouTube channel. I think she's the most
underrated science communicator out there right now. And that's that's
(59:26):
I guess that's all I got.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
All right, amazing, Well, thanks again for joining Miles. Where
can people find you as their working media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah, find me on Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray.
You find Jack and I on the basketball podcast Miles
and Jack Got Mad Bousies. You can also find us
on our Enema podcast as well, Mad Booty. Yeah. And
also if I'm talking to very, they're very upset after
(59:55):
the Venom tweet tweet, I like is from again. The
euro Cup and Copa America concluded over the weekend. Argentina
won the Copa America back to back winners, Spain just
won the euro Cup, and because there's been so much
soccer on TV, this tweet just cracked me up. It's
like the the avatar on it is like a like.
(01:00:16):
It looks like a Ted Cruz esque figure behind an
American flager in front of American flag. It's at power bottom.
Dad One tweeted, after watching five or so soccer games,
I'm ninety nine percent sure the entire sport is being
played wrong strategically. This feels like such an American Yeah watching, No, No,
(01:00:38):
why are you playing it like that? You should be
going for high volume of shots. Man fucking launching that shot.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
That's me the game, tick shot, shoot shoot the goal,
to shoot it right now, right now. Why doesn't the
one goal we try and shoot it into the other
goal every single time? That's like a free throw? Yeah, man,
wide open, amazing. You can find me on Twitter at
Jack Underscore O'Brien a tweet I've been enjoying. Let's take
(01:01:06):
it back to July twelfth, let's scroll back through. Uh
Sean clements from Hollywood Handbook tweeted, if I ever get
introduced to Mia Goth, I'm gonna say Mia too.
Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I thought that was cute.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeikeeist. Were
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Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
We have a Facebook fan page on a website Daily
zeikeist dot com where we post our episode that our
foot no where we link off to the information that
we talked.
Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
About in today's episode.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Well, it is a song that we think you might enjoy.
Mile's a song do you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
I heard this band over the weekend that was really cool.
They're called Balfus, but it's spelled b A L t
h v S.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
You know, hit them on some What do they do
that Rome? When the V was basically it could be
like Norwegian? I feel well there was a five in Rome.
Oh wow, you sneaky devil. You get back from Europe
and you're already sonning me like that okay from the
Rocky franchise.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Sorry man, yeah, I kept calling it Rocky V till
someone mean like Rocky.
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
You guys seen Rocky Rakiev.
Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
But anyway, they are a Colombian psychedelic band that's like
really dope like so they've got a lot of like
Middle Eastern side kind of like melodies, but also like
Cumbia vibes too, and it's like reminds you of like Krungbin.
If you like Krungbin, you're definitely gonna like this band
or like that kind of vibe stuff, sort of like
psych surfy at times. This is a track called Sun
(01:02:42):
and Moon by Balf, the Colombian psychedelic band that I'm slowly.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Starting to fall in love with. So check this going
out well.
Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
We will link off to that in the footnotes. The
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