The Surveillance Economy And You, White Lotus Streaming Corner 9.3.21

In episode 982, Jack and Miles are joined by What The Hack's Adam K. Levin to discuss cyber security and what private citizens need to be aware of. Plus super producer Anna Hossnieh joins for an Anna's Streaming Corner about White Lotus. (SPOILER ALERT!!!!!)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two hundred, episode
five of Dire Day Introduction of I Heart Radio. It
is the season finale of season two hundred, and as promised,
we did absolutely nothing to recognize this incredible achievement by
the Daily Zigeys team. But shout out to DJ Dani'll

(00:23):
shout out to super producers on a hosnie a justin
uh dramas, everybody who carrying stump yeah back in that day.
So this is a podcast where we take a deep
dive into America's shared consciousness. Today is kind of a
special format, one where we take a deep dive into

(00:44):
America's share consciousness on a specific subject. We did a
couple of weeks back, and people seem to really enjoy it.
And I feel like this is a subject that you
can't even really do a deep dive because we don't
know ship about it for the most part. So we'll
talking about that. But it is Friday, September three. My

(01:04):
name is Jack O'Brien a K and he was blinded
by the Zi, chugging do like a choke with Miles,
smoking blunts all night. Blinded by the ZI. All right,
that's it. That is courtesy of Chauncey Yonders, A fun
name to say, Christian uh huh, A little sisty Chrish.

(01:25):
And I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
co host, Mr Miles Gray. Miles Gray k Hideo NoHo
a k A. Smoke Gray, Old Tawny a k a.
The lothario of Lancer Sham lookout North Hollywood because he's here.
And just you know, I'm just adding new culturally relevant

(01:46):
a k of Lancas, Lancersham. You know, people, if you
don't know lakershim, you're not North Hollywood. That's true. And
is it good to smoke Gray? I feel like that
would be bad weed. Well, you know that's the problem
of trying to create puns out of you know, so
you could get a little narrow you smoked that ship
that makes your vision go black and white and great?

(02:10):
All right, well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined
by a nationally recognized expert on cyber security, privacy, identity,
that fraud, and personal finance and the host of the
podcast With the Hack. He's the former director of the
New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs. He's appeared on just
all the TV shows that today show, g m A,

(02:31):
all the shows on radio at MPR, ABC News, Bloomberg,
and now on our Second Rate podcast. Please welcome the brilliant,
the distinguished Adam Webbing. Welcome back. You'll flatter me. Miles.
Is great to be with you. Thank you for join.
We're thrilled to have you. Adam k Levin, I should

(02:53):
have said, is that do you put the middle initiation?
That that because there is an author, there is the
own of High Times, there are a series of lawyers,
and then there's that guy with the E at the
end of his name that fronts for some small band
called Maroon five people. And I get great restaurant reservations

(03:15):
because of that until I show up and it's like, oh,
they're like you're lying. You're like, no, I'm not. Just
I once I once was divided on the show in
San Francisco many years ago, and they said, and now
we have Adam Levine from Run five. Then I went, uh, no,
it's Adam Levin from Identities at nine on one and

(03:36):
they went, no, no, come on, you know you're Adam Levine.
I said, no, I'm not. They said, how does it
field have groupies? I said, well, there aren't really too
many cyberg ruvies. And uh then they said, okay, where
are you Where are you speaking to us from right now?
I said San Francisco and they said, see you approved
our point because Maroon five is appearing tonight in San Francisco.
So they oh, it was a radio show, and they like,

(03:59):
so was a radio show. So I like freaked out.
I hung up call because I wanted to make sure
I called the right show. And they went, he's back
You see that Levin boy, he just messes around with you,
called back in and saying moves like Jagger for them,
And I do have moods like Jagger, but yeah, my
son's name is Jaker. So hey, you know I'm trying

(04:20):
you go. I just like that these hosts so badly
needed you to be Atam Levine from my Room five.
That nothing, nothing that was presented to them that She's like,
oh man, that's great. Man. You sound a little bit different.
But what's it like having groupies? Even though you said
you're not out yet, are you? Are you sure you're
not at a Lavin? Maybe you are, Adam Levin. It

(04:42):
just somehow escaped your consciousness. Yeah, They're like, oh, this
guy he's such a joker this, Adam. Yeah. Wow, We've
got to do that sometime, just intentionally booked the wrong
guest and just interview them the entire time as though
they're the other person, strong and wrong. You gotta respect it,

(05:02):
all right. Well, Adam, we are going to talk to
you about cybersecurity, your area of expertise. We are also
in the third act going to bring on super producer
an A. Hosnier to do a streaming corner about White
Lotus now that everybody has had a chance to see it,
so we will let you go for that so as

(05:23):
not to waste your UM time. I think it's the
word I'm looking for. Um. All right, before we get
into our dumb questions, we have a set of dumb
questions we always ask our guests at the top, starting
off with what is something from your search history? Well,
of course, the first thing I'm obligated to tell you,

(05:44):
as being somebody in cybersecurity, I don't have a search
history because I use VPNs. But that being said, where
it's something from my search history, it would be things
about upcoming movies. Okay, And I was very sad to
learn that they have now moved Top Gun Maverick to
next year as opposed to this year. But they put

(06:06):
Fishing Impossible up to November, so there's some hope. Oh
I thought they moved it Mission Impossible till later in
the year, so well they they did. They I was
thinking about they moved Tom Cruise from oblivion back up
to something. So he's coming in November Mission Impossible seven.
Not that I'm the pr guy for Mission Impossible seven,

(06:29):
but hey, you're really looking forward to Top Gun though.
I really was that that show. It's just it's one
where if you if you watch the cinematography and listen
to music, it's like the planes are actually dancing to
the music. Pretty insane. Yeah, I need to actually I
need to watch it like that now, Like, hey, you
like this fighter jet music video? Top Good? What if

(06:53):
something you think is overrated? Home cooking? After being locked
in a house during the pandemic for eighteen months? Yeah,
you're ready to get out, ready to get out, although
we're in Arizona so we're out right. What's the home
cooking situation for you? What is it sort of the
thing that you kind of made the same like six
things or three things, and like it's like that or

(07:15):
what you know, give me a glimpse into the into
Adam's kitchen. Oh well, Adam's kitchen is basically burnt chicken. Uh.
My son loves chicken nuggets. He likes anything chicken related. Not.
He's one of the few kids in the world that
hates cheese, hates chips, doesn't eat bread. So we we

(07:38):
have to do things in a healthy side. My wife
is a is a fitness competitor, so clearly you can
tell I'm not. But wait, what's so? What kind of
fitness competitions? What's the fitness competitors? Bikini five fitness competition
And as a matter of fact, coming up this weekend,
she's actually competing in Pittsburgh because she is trying to

(08:00):
get her probok. Is that a like modeling thing? Is
that a fitness as in like they have to do
feats of fitness or it's just they have to actually
live through a really difficult fitness training regimen as well
as a very strict kind of diet where they're everything

(08:21):
is weighed and it can only be a certain amount
of grams of this and that, and it has to
be starch and protein, and it's really tough and she
like we go out to restaurants. She she takes her
own meal with her and it's a it's a real commitment.
That is tough. I still weigh everything, but it's mostly
like pounds of cheese. How many pounds of cheese do

(08:44):
I want to put on my na I generally tend
to weigh myself often have learned that it's like the
old thing. Insanity is doing the same things every the
same way, except expecting a different result. So I'm insane
when it comes to that because there is no effort result.
What restaurant are you a fan of chain restaurant? Well,

(09:06):
I can tell you that my son is obsessed with
Panda Express, who isn't and the other The other night
we went to Panda Express and his favorite rapper is
post Malone and so he post Alone comes on the
radio sings new a song and Jagger is eating his
Panda Express in my car. He he pushes the car

(09:28):
seat back and he goes, Daddy, life doesn't get any
better than Thisanda Express. Yeah, simple, simple, it's the simple things. Yeah,
oh man, yeah, Panda Express. Uh. I I had a
run where I think my blood type was orange chicken
because it I there was like a you know, like

(09:51):
when you're a kid, like you'll just you'll get stuck
on eating one thing because you think it's like cool,
and like that's the thing you gotta do, like that's
your identity. And my god, orange chicken was that for me?
For sure? Same thing for him. So you guys are
kindred spirits. I'm just right there with the youth of America.

(10:12):
What if something you think is underrated? Now I have
to sort of escape back into my cyber background. But
underrated is the whole concept of cyber hygiene, or let's say,
password managers are underrated. And the other thing, because I know,
you know, you get into very current affairs. Disinformation and

(10:32):
misinformation is extremely underrated. That it is entirely dangerous. And
I mean the amount of time and effort in Vitrey
all that's the cause of misinformation and disinformation, whether it
be the election or the pandemic or a whole host

(10:53):
of other things, or Democrats eating babies, these kinds of things.
I mean, that's kind of disinformation. That that is, it's underrated,
it's dangerous. People are not paying enough attention to it,
and it could it can cause a great deal of harm.
Do you think that we sort of look at it
in this way where like when I hear that, I go, yeah,
I mean, I know it's bad because I know, like

(11:15):
you know, a lot of the lines were drawing to
a lot of societal friction is because of misinformation. But
what are sort of the ways you think that we're
not actually considering aside from the overt examples of how
disinformation misinformation is manifesting into Well, the problem is it's
like you have to think of it like a blob
and it just kind of sucks everything in and you

(11:36):
have a significant percentage of the population that will buy
into it for whatever reason, and it's almost like it's
it's cult culture, right, and uh, it feeds on itself.
I mean, if you go back to I won't name
the particular media outlet, but you know their definition of

(11:57):
a fact is one host says some thing, and then
three other people echo it, and then people continue to
echo it, and all of a sudden, it bleeds out,
It trickles down, as it were, into the community of
people who are relatively like minded, and all of a sudden,
that's a fact, right, And I mean, yeah, with Fox,

(12:19):
like a lot of the talking points that they get
actually come from like they're basically field tested in the
world of talk radio, and they see like what is
resonating with people, and then those like bubble up to yes, yeah,
that's it's and and these are the people that say,
you know, I can't believe that people follow polls. You

(12:39):
have to be a leader, which means you follow, you know,
the north star, whatever it is that you believe in,
and that's how you lead. And the problem is a
lot of these guys are feeding on what they're listening
audience wants to hear as a part. And I've noticed
some posts that have gone from radio to podcasting, and

(13:00):
you'll notice that their political alignment starts to slide over
in order to be appealing to the people that they
think will most support whatever they say or do. It's
like almost this way where before punditry or people who
had opinions and and and people that were interested in
those people, it was like they were actually just speaking

(13:21):
their perspective that they felt was their truth. But now
you're right, there's so much triangulating where it's like, well,
what is what's an audience gonna want? You know, like,
let's I'm not going to consider what I think is
ethical or true. It's more about how can I experience
success by saying whatever I need to? And then I'm
that just accelerates things even further. And I mean, what
what an audience want wants is essentially like the now

(13:46):
now the number one concern for all media, whether it
be social media or not, because like, you have algorithms
that are encouraging engagement over like any sort of evaluation
of you know, inherent value or truth, and so it's
all just a society that is like kind of engineered
down to the most cellular level to just create engagement

(14:10):
and excitement without any kind of recognition or you know,
relationship to to the truth, right mhm. And and the
truth changes unfortunately weakly, so therefore it's not a truth,
you know. And I try to teach my little guy,
is that a fact is a fact, right it? And

(14:31):
now there can be interpretations of a fact, there can
be opinions of that particular fact, but a fact is
a fact. There's no such thing as an alternative fact,
you know, Just like when you have people saying, well,
the only reason why the government wants us to wear
masks is because it wants to control us, and that's

(14:55):
how they control us. They mandate that we marry, we
wear these things, and it's kind of like no, right, Well,
and then they go, well it changed, because the answer
is because science has found that things change. Studies have
determined that what may have worked at one point isn't
working now, or it may not have worked, but because

(15:18):
of a combination vaccine and other things, it may be
working now. So and it's so frustrating to be in
a place where there, you know, again, spirited debate is
a wonderful and healthy thing, but when it it disintegrates
into name calling and hostility and beating people down for
an opinion, that's that's outrageous, and that's that's not kind

(15:40):
of the world we want our kids to grow up in,
especially when you can't even debate things where both, you know,
both are the parties involved in a debate can't agree
on what like firm like actual solid ground is for
them to even debate upon. Well. I was in Washington
a few i guess about three years ago, and we
were talking about different pieces of legislation that we're coming up,

(16:02):
and I was speaking to the majority staff of one
particular House Committee and they said, well, we hope to
have something coming up on security in the next year
or so. I said, yeah, don't don't rush, guys. And
then uh and they said and I said, what about privacy?
And they said, now, we can't a bigreue or what

(16:23):
privacy is, so there won't be anything on privacy. What
do you think the divide is like that you see
on what people think privacy is, you know, in terms
of how one party might observe it and how another
might well, you know, and again I am finding a
little bit more a unanimity of opinion about privacy. But

(16:43):
you know, we're living in and I know this sounds
are welly and almost but we're living in a surveillance economy.
Forgetting even the whole issue that Edward Snowdon brought up
about a surveillance society is we're living in a surveillance
economy where we are surrounded by almost thirty billion Internet
of Things devices that are tracking sending information back to

(17:07):
manufacturers or sometimes that information is diverted to the bad
guys and everything. We just to the point where you
feel like you're having a conversation with someone about a
subject you've never talked about before. You haven't even searched
it on the internet, you think, and all of a sudden,
it starts popping up on Facebook ads, so people do,

(17:28):
my phone is listening to me? And and the issue
is nobody really knows for sure, although I have found
several times when all of a sudden, series goes hello
and it's like, wait a minute, I didn't call your
name right, and so it's it's it's it's very concerning
because you really don't know who he is listening or not.
I don't know if you remember. I guess it was

(17:50):
a couple of years ago where Samsung issued an advisory
that you needed to disable the microphone feature of your
big screen TV if you didn't want it listening to you,
because it's like, oops, it's listening. So you know, in

(18:11):
that kind of environment, we have a lot of things
that are taking note at a granular level of anything
and everything we're looking for. Like remember the story about
the father who found out that his child was pregnant
because Walmart or either Target or Walmart sent to their

(18:31):
house flyers on diapers, and he was going, why would
they send stuff about diapers to our house? And it
was like he found out that she had been searching, right,
and she didn't ask for it to show up, but
it did. Like based on your based on your activity,
we are presuming you are pregnant. Now, if you really

(18:51):
want to mess someone up, use their computer and do
something like well, there is there a case that I
was involved in a few years ago where two neighbors
hated each other and when one neighbor was out of town,
the other neighbors snuck overs, sat on his front porch,
hacked into his computer and then had that go to

(19:16):
child pornography sites and then called the police. And the
police came and arrested this poor guy, and it took
him six months to convince the police that he didn't
do it. One't him, He wasn't searching for that. So,
you know, I've I've heard it said that there's like
growing pains at the start of every sort of media era,

(19:37):
Like newspapers had all sorts of you know, yellow journalism,
and then like eventually like they sort of we're able
to regulate things. Do you see any version of this
where they like we're able to put the genie back
in the bottle with regards to like misinformation and like

(19:59):
this new kind of social media like online media landscape. Well,
the danger you have with that is that people will
of course, you will live through the whole cancer culture argument.
And you know, you saw the fewer that happened when
Trump was taken off all of the social media platforms

(20:22):
and claiming that its censorship and uh. And the problem
is that when you have these platforms saying you know,
this information needs to be fact checked or there's something
wrong with this, don't believe it, and then you get
people screaming about how the big platforms have made a
decision as to the particular kinds of political philosophies they

(20:45):
will accept or not accept, and they get caught up
in the middle of this. And now you have Congress
talking about regulating big tech, and it should be regulated
for a variety of reasons. But the problem with misinformation
and labeling it as misinformation is you still have a
significant percentage of the population that refuses to believe that

(21:08):
it is misinformation and disinformation, even when you can show
them concrete proof that it's not true. Right, Yeah, that
doesn't matter. And you know the perfect example is the election.
I mean, you've had sixty courts, you've had every major
political figure who has any sense of reason, even people
on you know, both sides of the aisle of come

(21:29):
down and say it's over. And you still have the
cyber ninas in Arizona. And and now there was an
issue brought up with the if you know, the conference
that was held by the Pillow Man in Wisconsin where
it was all about election disinformation relative to they stole

(21:49):
the election or not. And they were passing around examples
of software that was being used by the voting machine company,
and it's voting machine software companies, election system companies, and
all of a sudden, now this information about algorithms and
other things that were legitimate is now out there, and

(22:11):
now they're talking about the fact that they're going to
have to replace a lot of the software is simply
because it's been exposed by people who were simply trying
to discredit the election results with absolutely no knowledge of
how no knowledge. Right, All right, let's take a quick
break and we'll come right back and continue this conversation,

(22:44):
and we're back. Uh, And Adam, you mentioned that the
idea of a surveillance economy, that we live in a
surveillance economy, which is something we've touched on briefly, but
could you speak a little bit more about that, and
like how that kind of I mean that the thing
that really kind of got me to get my mind
around it is that it really robs you of your

(23:06):
free will essentially, like you're no longer an autonomous person
if you live in a surveillance economy that it knows
this much about you, and it's like programming your day basically,
and you're you're you're a thousand percent right about that.
And the other problem is that you know, people unfortunately
are all too willing to fling as much information about

(23:28):
themselves as possible out there, whether it's on social media
or if they say, you know, you can get great
deals if you give us all of your contact information,
like the loyalty programs, and they they like feed it
by saying, look at how much money you save by
having become a member of our loyalty pro you say so.

(23:50):
And there have been surveys of people where they will say,
I am really really concerned about privacy. But then when
they go, but would you be willing to give up
your privacy for a really great deal, and a greater
percentage of people say, sure, I'd like to do that.
You know, you know, in one sense people love customized ads,

(24:10):
but in another sense, they don't understand what you're contributing
of you in order to put yourself in a position
where they will send you customize ads. Right, can you
speak about, like what what do they specifically give up?
Because I think privacy like has certain connotations, and I
think a lot in a lot of ways, we lack

(24:31):
the imagination to like see the negative consequences. Can you
like speak about that a little bit, like any any
instances where it really like was extreme? Oh? Sure. There
is a terrific educator in Canada who used to be
the Information and Privacy Commissioner for Ontario. Her name is

(24:53):
and Cavukian, and she came up with the whole concept
of privacy by design, which is that products and services
are designed at the core where privacy and security are
the core of them, as opposed to all we want
to do is make something work and then we'll figure
out privacy and security. For instance, originally electronic health records,

(25:17):
it was all about let's make it work, as opposed
to let's make sure that it's actually private and secure.
And the Internet of Things devices for instant. All those devices,
whether it's your printer or your computer, your television set,
your toaster, your refrigerator, all these things that are connected

(25:37):
now to the internet. The issue is, well, let's make
it work so it can feedback information, and manufacturers they
can make it better, they can update where they need to,
and they don't realize that each one of these things
is gathering information. There was something a couple of years
ago known as the smart mattress cover, where if you
put it on your bed, you can tell when you

(25:59):
went to sleep, when you woke up. It would be
able to turn on the heating or the air conditioning,
depending upon where you were in your sleep cycle. It
would even be able to ultimately turn on your coffee pot.
Now you might say, well that's great, that's convenient, but
all of that data in the hands of the wrong

(26:20):
person will tell them are you home, are you not?
Are you sleeping? Are you awake? You know. These are
the kinds of things and each of these pieces. In
order to create a successful theft of someone's identity, you
have to essentially have a mosaic of their lives, and
each piece of factual data is a a tile in

(26:44):
that mosaic. So you may not think you're giving up
much information when you give them your name, your address,
your cell phone number, your email address. But if you
think about it, now, your cell phone number is more
of a personal identifier than even your social Security number.
I think we have learned that we can trust sleepwear

(27:07):
providers after Mike Lindell's got nailed it. Miles, you're gonna
ask a question, I cut you. Oh no, I was
just in general, right, I mean, you know, I think,
like most people, I feel that the biggest threat to
me isn't just a person on the internet, is identity theft.
So that's like I have a very narrow, sort of
myopic view of what I think the threats are to me.

(27:30):
And over the years, I've learned to try and use
VPNs more because I realized, like, oh, right, like this
I'm giving up these are that this is the information
company just want to package and sell and you know,
make a buck off of me passively. But what are
the sort of other things that I most people aren't
really you know, aware of or need to be aware of,

(27:50):
because I think most people would just say, oh, yeah,
I I have you know, I have my passwords, different
and things like that, And only now I feel like,
maybe in the last six months have I really gotten
into two factor authentication for certain things. But can you
kind of just give us, you know, for most of us,
and I think a lot of our listeners are kind
of like looking at our own privacy in this very

(28:12):
narrow way, and I think, you know, I'd love to
hear sort of what we aren't aware of. Well, I
think one of the big things people aren't aware of
is if you ask people, are you worried that you're
going to get hacked, that you're going to become a
victim of identity? The majority of the people will tell
you no, I'm not why because I'm just me. I
look in the mirror and I see me. Well, you

(28:34):
may see you when you look in the mirror, but
when a hacker is looking at you, they see Beyonce
and jay Z, they or Adam Levine. I mean, you
got what they want. You've got data, You've got personal
identifiable information. Or the big thing that a lot of
people don't really think about is you could be the
tributary to a larger river, which means it may not

(28:55):
be about you, but it could be about your spouse,
your child, Where you work or where you work not
because of the company, but where you work because that
company is a service provider or a third party vendor
to where they really want to get to. So, for example,

(29:16):
the most iconic breach was Target, and with Target, they
didn't go in the front door, but hackers did as
they compromise somebody that worked for the h v A
C subcontractor of Target and use the access of that
h v a C subcontractor into the Target systems where
they then first got port of sale, then they got

(29:38):
their databases, and then they moved the data out. So
people have to remember that you are part of an
ecosystem as it were, and it as You may not
be the principal thing they're looking for, but you could
be their gateway to where they really want to go.
And think about how many people tend, even though they
may have different passwords, sometimes they tend to use the

(30:00):
same password in their private life and their work life,
and which means if you get compromised outside of work,
that could be the way in. Because what they're looking
for is credentials. They want to know your user I,
D and password. And if you think most people's uh,
use your ideas their email address, and most people's passwords

(30:20):
are dumb. Password is not a password, And and then
there were people that no, no no, I have a really
complex password. Well, what they don't realize is that there's
a difference between an easily decipherable password like password and
then a discovered password. And if you think about all
of the breaches that have occurred for the past few decades,

(30:44):
then the billions of files containing personal identifiable information in it,
and the fact that how many sites have you seen?
If you're just going to have I been pawned, you'll
see where your email address and passwords have shown up
based on breaches. You realize that you could have a
difficult password. But if they put it together with your

(31:06):
your user I D and then they just start route
forcing their way into anything they can think of. And
you'll say, well, why would that affect my work? Everybody
talks about what they do on LinkedIn. In fact, not
only that, but not only will they know where you work,
but LinkedIn makes it so that they can figure out
everybody else who works with you at work. And that's

(31:29):
where you get all of these emails coming to people
that have attachments or links they click on and then
all of a sudden, malware is into the company, and
then the company is now at risk or ransomware gets
in there, which is kind of the new cool, hip,
extremely profitable thing that hackers are used, right. I I

(31:51):
do feel like there's something somewhat unprecedented about like what
we're facing, right because traditionally power dynamic mix are more
controllable by the large like established powerful entities, like you
have the most guns, you have the most bombs, you
control the bomb and gun making equipment, you have the
most and richest companies, and that's like unfakeable. But now

(32:16):
a skilled hacker in a basement can like bring a
massive corporation to their knees because they've you know, grown
up there. They're like fourteen, and they've grown up with
a more advanced vocabulary and understanding of you know, coding
than older people who built their way up two positions.
The power in the company is there like an alternate

(32:37):
model that we're headed for where government and corporations are
better better able to like kind of use their size
and power to exert control over the field of cybersecurity. Well,
it is hoped that they can certainly with the recent
meetings with the President and the and the big tech

(32:57):
companies and their commitment to really make billions of dollars
available in the fight. You know, we're making progress, but
the problems Government hasn't done enough, business hasn't done enough.
And frankly, we have to admit as consumers, maybe we
didn't do enough. And for consumers, we didn't ask for it.
We're not trained for it. We didn't we don't. Half

(33:20):
the time, we don't even know what the heck to do.
But as the CEO of Microsoft said a couple of
years ago, we now have a shared responsibility where we're
kind of all in this together. And the problem is
that you can't just limit it even to one country,
because you know, it's not like you can put a
dome over something and say, okay, well, the US is

(33:40):
secure even though the rest of the world is going crazy.
You have countries out there that there, without question, their
goal is to put themselves in a position where other
countries are either beholden to them or they have access
into power grids and critical infrastructure and things like that.
So even if you have an agree, for instance, the

(34:01):
US had an agreement with China that they were only
going to be specific areas that hacking would be allowed
to occur. And you know, after Solar wins and the
Microsoft hacks and things like that, we we realized that
that one didn't work in anymore. And you can't even
talk about mutual assured destruction like you could with nuclear

(34:23):
war because it's never gonna work that way. And the
reason is because, again, as you said, as Trump used
to say, the fourteen year old sitting in his mother's
basement who weighed four hundred pounds on a mattress could
bring down a company. Recently, you saw a T mobile
was hacked by someone who just wanted to see if
they could do it and didn't realize their security was

(34:44):
so miserable. And the only way we're gonna get better
is there has to be a national commitment, first here
and then international that we are really going to beef
up our cybersecurity and it's going to be a serious priority,
and it's not just throwing money at it. If you
don't create a culture of privacy and security from the

(35:06):
boardroom down to the mail room and back and forth,
or if home you're working from home from your living
room to your home office, if you don't have that
kind of mindset. It's never gonna it's never gonna work, right,
This is my dumb question. Can Mr Robot happen? But
is there a version of this where like a really

(35:27):
wide scale I guess I think for people to get
their mind around this like something that I think we've
seen a lot of. Like even even though they are
large scale attacks that lose lots of people lots of money,
they're not like these blanket socially kind of destabilizing, debilitating attacks,

(35:48):
at least not in the United States. Is that still
something that's kind of looming out there and it's like,
is that something that's happened to developed countries? Well? Yeah,
As a matter of fact, the most people would argue
the most cyber advanced company in the world is Estonia
because they can take they got taken offline, and in fact,

(36:10):
we had a conference a few years ago and the
former president of Estonia came and spoke and they have
they became a really cyber conscious nation and a cyber
dedicated nation after that incident, and you know, arguably everything
they do is really top flight cyber security related within

(36:31):
the country. So it almost is going to take that
kind of effort because it is it is scary. Now
if you want to talk about things that consumers can
do to better protect themselves or businesses can do, you know,
happy to do that. I don't know how much time
that we have for that, but it really also has
adopting a philosophy and it really works for everybody of

(36:54):
what I call the three ms because breaches app I'm
the third certainty and life behind death and taxes. That's
never going to change. So the issue isn't if but
when a company is going to get attacked, or a
consumer is going to suffer a problem, or government agencies
are going to hit But it's all about minimizing your

(37:16):
risk of exposure, reducing your attackable surface, monitoring so you
know as quickly as possible that you have a problem,
and then managing the damage, having a plan to manage
the damage. And there are there are things that people
can absolutely do at the government level, the corporate level,
and the consumer level, but they have to be kind

(37:39):
of willing to do it. Is this sort of in
action around modernizing our ability to defend against cybersecurity kind
of like just this very American thing that we see
where it's like, well, we'll do something when it gets
absolutely horrific enough for us to do something. But we
can weather these smaller things, even though it's a problem
that many people are saying we need to be aware of.

(38:00):
Is that kind of just we're on that similar path
as it relates to cybersecurity, because I know, yeah, like
their potential for these kinds of wide scale cyber attacks
and things seem like they're just over the horizon. But
at the same time, like you're saying, like you'll talk
to people in d C and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we're gonna we'll get to that. Yeah, that's that's that's

(38:21):
on the list. Is it just sort of they're just
not connected to the real, true sense of urgency. I
think they are becoming more connected to the truth sense
of urgency, certainly as insurance rates for cyb reliability insurance skyrocket,
as insurance companies in some cases are now pulling away
from reimbursing companies that have been hit with ransomware that

(38:43):
even to get cyber reliability insurance, you you have to
go through a living hell in terms of disclosures, and
you have to mean it. And then of course, in
addition to whole regulatory issue. You have to face the
ultimate regulators, the American economy, class action lawsuit attorneys. So, uh,
you know, I think the attitudes are changing. Cybersecurity is

(39:04):
becoming more a front burner issue. I mean with the
conferences they had in Washington member the last administration, they
talked a good game about protecting but at the same
point they got rid of the cyber coordinator in the
White House. That there's a lot of things that they
said that they were going to do that they didn't do.

(39:25):
And then you had people within the government that took
their own initiative, like Chris Krebs, who ended up then
getting fired after the election because he said it was
a fair election. And they worked really hard, working with
the States to do everything they could to make sure
that it was going to be a good and fair election.
But meanwhile, while everybody was focused on let's protect American

(39:47):
democracy by making sure we don't have cyber issues with
the election, the Russian hackers and the Chinese hackers were
focusing on getting into solar winds, and so it's like,
look there, so we can go over year and we
have to understand these are very creative, very sophisticated extremely
persistent people who are fighting us. And you know, we

(40:12):
used to we used to do election security the kind
to company as the sole part of it. And one
of the areas we would go into smaller states, rural
counties and say, you are facing off against Russia, and
you have a county that may have one tech guy
and and a few people are a little bit about technology,

(40:34):
but and they're facing off against a incredibly well resourced
state sponsored hacker whose entire goal is I'm going to
get into their election system. And so you know that
that is where you get the lack of balance in
all of this. And that's why people always have to
keep in mind we have day jobs. We raise a family,

(40:58):
were involved in government, we're going to school, were involved
in philothropic activities. But to these other guys, we are
their day job, right mm hmmm. We being like the
cybersecurity community like well, the cyber comunity, you know, and
we have people who are very focused in the cyber

(41:18):
security community. And and remember we are very open as
to what we talk about in this country because we
have we don't have a national breach notification law, but
we have fifty four separate jurisdictions that have their own
laws that impact cybersecurity and cybercurity. Reporting what we're doing

(41:41):
to China, Russia, Iran other countries like that, you know,
we're not going to hear because they're not going to
talk about it for sure, and we're not going to
talk about what we're doing to them. But I believe
that a lot of what's going on here is going
on there. And the US is a great offensive cybersecurity

(42:03):
country when it comes to any cybersecurity weaponry, as it were,
whereas on cybersecurity defense, we're not that good yet m hm.
And the same can be said of Russia and China.
One of the few countries that is really top flight
both offensive defensive is Israel because it has to also

(42:24):
do with the concept of the Iron Dome, which they
needed because they can't patrol they don't have enough people
to patrol their borders, and they're surrounded by nations that
are not necessarily their best friends. So interesting. Well, Adam,
I feel like we could talk to you about this
all day, but we definitely should have you back to
kind of continue this conversation. It's been very, very fascinating

(42:48):
talking to you about it. Where can people find you
and follow you. Okay, Well, Adam Levin dot com is
our our website, which is a sort of destination fight
site for cybersecurity issues. And also on the podcast What
the Heck with Adam Levin, which is available anywhere that
people get podcasts, and we'd like to have you guys

(43:10):
come on too and we can have some fun with
you on that. We actually try to take a little
bit of a lighthearted look. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, as
someone who was pounded in the Equifax leaks and uh
and and as a Team Mobile customer, I'm constantly what
in the world am I like nowhere? I'm like, everything

(43:32):
I'm I'm been attached to seems to be so vulnerable.
One thing I meant to ask the earlier. We just
don't have a lot of time. But like I feel
like the as we've learned more about like all the
you know, cookies and tracking software and the like surveillance economy.
Like the only change I've seen is that now when
I go to a website, they like make me a

(43:52):
great like take their cookies. They're like, you, this site
uses cookies. But if I want to use the internet,
like I have to agree to it. And it's just
like basically we got like end user agreements in exchange
for you know, our knowledge that we're being fucked. Is
there a solution there? Well, First of all, the reason

(44:14):
why you see all of these do you accept or
reject cookies? It's because of the g d p R,
which is the privacy law that was passed in the
EU that was for its time actually instilled the most
advanced law. And now you have the California Consumer Protection Law,

(44:34):
which is their privacy law. You have a law in Colorado, Virginia,
and New York that are very you know, forward thinking,
tough laws, and as a result of that, they're requiring
anyone who's gathering data in any form to actually make
disclosures so that people are aware that they're their information

(44:56):
is let's say, more exposed than they originally thought. And uh,
it's part of you know, you should know what information
they're asking for. You should also have the right, which
is you know, the goal of some of the more
advanced privacy laws to the right to be forgotten, where
you can actually delete information from websites. That's what I

(45:20):
want is like an ability to like toggle like yes
or no to cookies, but like the version I seem
to see a lot is just well, you can come
to this website if you accept that we use cookies.
Otherwise like get out of here and well, or they'll
say you can come here, but you know, don't expect
when you come back that we're going to know who
you are. And so it's gonna be you're gonna be

(45:40):
like a guest every time you come. And some of
them absolutely prefer you not come unless they can suck
every piece of information out of you they can. Yeah,
so you know that that is at least a change
that is trying to at least make people more aware
because for so long again, yeah, I'll do whatever you
want as long as you give me what I want. Anyways,

(46:02):
like I said, we can we can talk about this
all day and we will definitely have to have you back,
but thank you so much for joining us, and we
will be back in a moment with super Producer on
a Hosnie streaming corner. And we're back, and Adam Levin

(46:31):
has been replaced by super Producer on a Hosni streaming corner. Assholes,
open your ears. Sorry, Yeah, hard to pivot from that
very serious conversation about security and privacy and now, the
pressing issues of our time, the way we distract ourselves
healthily from that television TV. Although this I feel like

(46:56):
this show really nailed something about the zeitgeist or just
I guess America. Oh White Lotus. Yeah, White Lotus show
definitely always is always nailing as I guess. Hello, Anna Hosnie,
thank you for joining us. What why why do we
watch White Lotus? What struck you when you first said
why are you watching it? What was partning? Well? Okay,

(47:18):
first I have to do my streaming corner theme song. Okay,
go go three six seven ten bati d d dude,
it's a stream in corner. Do do, dude, it's a
stream in corner. You didn't watch White Lotus, did you?

(47:45):
You didn't watch it happens last time when you like ill?
So I missed all that. I was doing my theme song.
We were just saying that you have delaying because you

(48:07):
didn't actually watch What Lotus when we asked you about
Godfather too. Anyway, have ever been more offended than people
just speaking through my forty five minutes stream of corner
And we were just so confused. We didn't want to
get scammed again. No, I was just Um, I was
what is it when you're like pulling from someone? I

(48:28):
was pulling my inner Kim Cantrell, Um, I guess before
we get into the just the talk, I'll just I
will read what the description of White Lotus is, so
if you haven't seen it, you understand what we're gonna
be ranting and raving about. They say from Mike White,
the creator of HBOS in Lighten The White Lotus is

(48:48):
a sharp social satire following the exploits of verious employees
and guests at an exclusive Hawaiian resort over the span
of one highly transformative week. As darker dynamics emerge with
each pressing day, this biting, sick episode series gradually reveals
the complex truths of the seemingly picture perfect travelers, cheerful
hotel employees, and idyllic locale itself. There it is, and

(49:10):
another interesting fact, Mike White did in fact go to
high school or college. I forget with my friend Laurie's wife.
Really okay to me? That the other thing? We guess
now we're cooking. He also did he write? He wrote
School of Rock. He's enlightened with Laura Dern. Yeah, yeah,

(49:32):
but also School of Rock he's okay, stop bringing up
School of Rock every time. But interesting kind of varied career.
But this is I don't know, very kind of keenly
just sharply observed about the one percent, I guess, and
uh and their relationship to themselves and their world and

(49:56):
there their leisure, their leisure. I don't know. It was
how do we get into this? What do we? What
do we? I mean what I just say so, like,
I know there's been a lot of think pieces on
it and all that, but you know, I'm not really
one that thinks too hard. So I just thought it
was just like a fun dark comedy that just like

(50:16):
kind of you know, show that rich white people are
just like vapid idiot losers. And that's just kind of
like funny to me. Yea some woman like I'm really simple,
Like if you're like, look at this rich white woman,
like she doesn't get that like white men are over,
I'm like, it's um so like that's all it really

(50:39):
takes for me. Yeah. Well, I think because a lot
of people I felt like we're mad because they were
expecting this show to have some kind of really biting
sort of commentary on what it was. And I get that,
maybe you thought because it was like adjacent to something
really interesting, because throughout this show, like there is this
juxtaposition of like under standing like what life is like

(51:01):
for the people of Hawaii, like the relationship that it
has to the mainland, and like just how like sort
of the cast system that even annexation has created in
that sense. But there's also like there's just yeah, this
dark comedy aspect about it, which just sort of makes
it palatable. And I in the beginning, I thought maybe
this was going to be a broader commentary on something

(51:23):
like that, and in the end it just was really
just sort of this very more narrowly focused dark comedy.
So I didn't mind that it didn't have that, because
I also it was kind of one a very American
thing where like the show almost was able to like
observe an issue or like a controversy, but not quite
have a reckoning with it. So it's just sort of like, damn,
that's sucking a while. This sort of the vible was

(51:46):
that the show rather than like, this is why we
need to really seriously talk about like what it means
to have annexed the Kingdom of Hawaii. What you know,
like all these other things like what it means for
that these power dynamics among all these other people, but
really it was just a mess Occupy Hawaii, Yeah, I know.
And and the kind of the great part about it
is that, like it just I kind of liked It's

(52:09):
like you didn't really try, and I'd rather you just
didn't try, Like you created humor and the fact that
like these people were really shitty and you're pointing it out,
but like they didn't really make that much of an effort,
and it's like I'd rather than not make an effort
than make like a half assed effort something, you know
what I mean. Trying to be like deep with it,
but I feel like the commentary was all there like that.

(52:33):
It definitely didn't end in a satisfying way. But the
way it ended was that the people who you've kind
of just been disgusted by the whole time because they
are just myopically just obsessed with their own privilege and
like preserving the illusion that they deserve like everything, and
like fighting anybody who's in the service and service positions,

(52:56):
like they just get away with it and don't learn
their lesson. And that's just like that that is how
it works. Yeah, but didn't that all feel like just
in the writing like very surface level, Like there were
a lot of things that they just touched on that
they very quickly, very like it was just like and
then they like you know, moved on. Like I feel like, yeah,
you know, they'd be like this guy hates the manager

(53:20):
or whatever. Jake Lacey's character Shane hates Armand. Yeah, Shane
hates Armand And it's like okay, but we're not really
going to explain, like explore further like what the funk
is wrong with Shane and like why, you know, like
other than him being like, look, I was just born
into this, okay, like what am I supposed to do?
And it's like, yeah, surface level, that's who he is.

(53:40):
And that's all these people are. They're all surface level people, right, Yeah,
maybe that is Maybe that is the observation. So like
just to give people an idea, like there's like this tension.
There's this character Armand, who's like the hotel manager. Then
there's a couple of Nicole and Mark, which is played
by Connie Britten and Steve's on, who's like this wealthy
couple who have brought their kids and one of their

(54:01):
kids friends with them to just kind of like have
one of those rich people vacations. And then the other story.
The other storyline involves Tanya, which is Jennifer Coolidge's character,
who's like mourning the loss of her mother and is
there to spread ashes alongside this newlywed couple of Shane
and Rachel, where this journalist has like married rich and

(54:22):
is kind of having this existential dilemma of like what
that means for her. Yeah, but I think that there's
something where when they're on vacation, they are left with
too much time to think about like just themselves and
how awful they are, so they like do things like
create the issue with urmand that that Jake has, or

(54:46):
Connie Britten, who's like supposed to be a Cheryl Sandburg
type character, is like at one point like moving furniture
around the hotel room, like just like doing these things,
like creating these tasks and these problems too, just like
focus on to like continue this like sort of endless
like competition and like urge to prove something that like

(55:09):
I feel like deep down they know they can't prove,
which is that they deserve any of this ship. Mm
hmm what's um. I I want to say that this
one of the best things about this show, where like
some of just the individual performances and I don't know,
I just want to maybe go around and we can
talk about some of our favorite people from the show.

(55:30):
I remember when I wasn't watching yet and Anna was
and You're like, dude to Jennifer Coolidge, it's fucking crushing
this whole fucking show. And that's when I was like,
I'm watching because I'm such a Jennifer Coolidge fan. And yeah,
Tanya's character was called cool dogs. Hey where the cool
Dogs at? But yeah, like honestly, her performances like fantastic,

(55:53):
and like her sort of storyline with Belinda and Natasha.
Rothwell's character was just like this fucking stre range journey
of like white savior, doom and guilt and like also
people trying to act like they were being authentic by
offering or not offering money. It was a it was
a lot. It was a lot. Yeah, you know, Jennifer Coolidge,

(56:16):
I mean truly like a legendary actor who like comedic
actor who never really I think like I feel like
she gets you know, pigeonholed a lot in what she
has been offered in the past, and it was like
really nice to see her like playing this, like just
showing that she has like this wild range where she
can play like this, Like what is she? She calls

(56:39):
herself an alcoholic she comes to like an alcoholic psychopath
or something like. She's like, under, you're just gonna find
an alcoholic psychopath And you're like wow, wow, like that
level of just like madness. You're like, wow, she's kind

(57:00):
of And the thing is she's nailing it. Like her character,
every person she interacts with, I immediately feel bad for
them and that she's nailing it. Yeah, it just walks
up like you having a good she's trapping it. She

(57:22):
reminded me of the character and shadows the energy vampire. Yeah,
she just came in and would destroy the life force
of everyone except the dying guy who she ultimately ends
up with. Right. I do want to add this one thing.
Those characters of Paula and Olivia, like the gen Z

(57:44):
college girls. My dad said he like they made him
feel so uncomfortable that he couldn't get past the first
episode because he was getting like zoomer anxiety. He's like,
oh man, they're like they're just gonna fucking read your
ass and like you don't know what to do, and
he was like he was feeling that off the screen.
He's like, yeah, I couldn't really get past it. First year.
They nail the cruelness that gen Z can bring in

(58:08):
their critiques and you're like, oh my, just like them
reading at the look that they both give you at
the same time, and you're like no, no, no, no,
don't look at me, right, because these characters are like
almost like you know, they have like the cutting commentary
that like a five year old would where they'll be like,
oh you're bald, and you're like, okay, thank you chi,

(58:30):
but they're just like you're like an empty, like lame
want of your wife. Like they have like this expanded
vocabulary and know a lot more like psychological terminology, so
like it's like the same kind of observation, but it
just cuts you in half. But also they're just like
disdained for things too. I think was really that line
where they're like, do you guys meet on Riya Like wow, okay,

(58:55):
she's just like oh no, You're just like damn, they
just come for you immediately. The reading is like the
books they're reading are like these like h like Nietzsche
and like Freudan. It's like, okay, uh, nobody wants nobody
actually reads that. But um. And then Jake Lacy, the

(59:16):
like bro character who's like inherited a bunch of money
and like it seems to have like the most violent
conflict with like just well just with every everything about himself,
and like he's always reading Malcolm Gladwell blank and he's
never yeah yeah, and never making any progress in it.

(59:38):
It's always like at the same place I thought was
he captures like a guy who says he's gonna read
on a trip energy and it's like, yeah, almost, dude,
I'm bringing the book here. I'm bringing the book there.
I'm bringing I brought it to bed. No, I didn't
read it, but I was about to. But you know,
vacation and I gotta say, Molly Shannon comes in. I

(59:59):
mean Shannon is honestly like every every role she plays
immediately is like she just progresses in a way where
I'm like, she's so fucking funny. She just comes in
as a mom who's just like, you know, like you're
a pretty you know, like that wedding I blacked out.
You're like, don't you know saying that? It's like, what

(01:00:19):
are you saying? People say it's lovely? I don't remember
that at all, but it was great. Nothing. Yeah, I
feel like her, and I feel like the character Jake,
the mom, Molly Shannon, and the two gen Z girls
were like the ones that like stuck out to me
as like the most I don't know, like I hadn't

(01:00:40):
seen them on camera like in a thing before, like
nailing to that degree, like that archetype because they're Yeah,
there's like a lot of pain in them, like the
like that is and the way they deal with it
is like very pathetic and like just completely like transfer
ring like their anger about one thing to another thing,

(01:01:03):
and they just really like nailed it in a way
that felt realistic and yet like so just obvious. And
also Steve's On. I forgot about Steveson until I saw
Meg and I was like, oh wait, Steveson is actually hilarious.
His whole like meltdown through the series of like he
finds out his dad died of AIDS and and he's like,

(01:01:26):
I just we First he thinks he has testicular cancer.
Then he finds out his dad died of eates because
he was you know, bisexual or gay. Well, I don't
even know. It's not really explained. And then if I
let these like starts to be like he starts to
melt it down because he at one point he had
an affair and decides he wants to be open with

(01:01:47):
his son, and his son is really not accepted. He's
just like, okay, cool, dad, Like stop telling me about this.
I got your mom. They're so like his character. And
then just like that scene at the dinner where they're like,
be nicer to your brother. You know, it's tough for

(01:02:07):
young white guys. And then like Paula, they're like, well,
you know. The daughter is like, you've never even asked
paula question. And he's like, well, Paula doesn't know anything
about me, and she's like, well I know about your balls, bro,
what do you mean walking around lamenting that? Yeah? And
then he's like, okay, ask me a question, Paula and
she says, what do you stand for? Oh my god.

(01:02:29):
His character just like like what do I stand for?
Because they're all that like emotional turmoil. He still lacks
the depth needed to analyze any of it, but he
can't do it. It's just I thought his character was
like perfect, just like Dad, it's just like kind of

(01:02:49):
checked out, is so self involved with his own crap.
It's kind of nice to see like Zon he like
you can see that he can there's a like whatever.
This next phase is him playing this kind of weird
middle aged guy, like because that angst when he was younger,
Like sure it was funny, but I feel like it
really suits him now, like as he's gotten older and
like you know that he now looks like he I

(01:03:12):
don't know, it just feels like more spot on. And
then also like Molly Shannon too, is just really helped
to see, like you're like fun dude. Mony Shannon has
like always been super talented, Like now she's getting like
great roles to really you know Fred or wings in. Yeah,
I thought this was a great role. There's one more
moment with steveson the moment he gets the call from
his uncle and he's like, well, how did my dad die?

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Of AIDS? And he's like he was sleeping around with men.
That face he makes I cried just his I think
his facial expressions alone throughout the series of just like
complete confusion, like what he Yeah, he embodied the like
circuits frying in a computer, but somehow made that a

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facial expression. And then the face he's making when he's
just sitting like this the next day, where it's with
his hand, with his face in his hand, and his
daughter has been like, that's really homophobic for you to
be this upset about it. Like what if Grandpa was
like a power bottom just like is a camp process
any of the information. I mean, I was dying, Mike what.
The creator and writer of the show's dad was Reverend

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Dr James Melville White, a former speechwriter and ghostwriter for
the religious right figures such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.
His father came out as gay, so kind of lived
in experience, right, cool and interesting Mark, Yeah. And then
the other character, I just want to like Murray Bartlett

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as armand is like one of the most realistic depiction
of like a relapse just of being high and like
uninhabited and or uninhabited, and just like that performance is
fucking incredible. Yeah, that, especially that last episode when like
he's like fuck it maybe it's yeah, it's yeah that,

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I mean, his whole it's also like you really felt
for his character too, because like, you know, like he's
he's trying to keep a ship together, he's trying to
stay clean, and he's also like in the midst of
like the most chaotic week of his career is like
managing a hotel with like unruly guests, finding bags of
drugs and not knowing what to do and like his

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own demons. It's like, yeah, it's funny because he provided
a lot of comedic relief, but also like super like
you said, like this very realistic portrayal of of someone
just like struggling with their own addiction to Yeah, I
also like that the people around and we're kind of like, okay,
armand no one was really that concerned that this guy

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was so off the deep end, Like you open your
door and your boss is eating ass, like that's the problem.
There was just like, you know what, not my business,
and you haven't seen the show. It's yeah, you'll you'll
be surprised, but I think it's worth checking out for sure.
Oh yeah, we should probably put a spoiler alert at
the beginning of this, because I think this is spoiler

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alert twenty minutes ago, spoiler alert all you can eat,
but fet I actually really like Dylan. He doesn't get Yeah,
I can have any shift I want you I have
more like right, And then I was just kind of like, yo,
this is so gross. And then I'm like, well this

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is this is this dark comation. It's like finally, let's party.
There is a scene last episode that's the grossest thing
I've ever seen with armand that has to be real.
They have to have like shown actual like that. Right,
you can't take that, or you it would cost a
lot of money to fake that, or you just don't

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put it in a post. Yeah that's true. You think
that was digitized. I don't think it worse. I ran
that back a number of times and just like watch
it and frame by frame and I'm pretty sure really
did your own yourself and to replicate the shot. Yeah yeah, yeah,
there's like what are you doing in the bathroom? Like
everything a suitcase? I got a new one coming in

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the mail. I don't worry about it. Anna as always
such a pleasure having you and your streaming corner on
where can people find you and follow you? Well? Hold on,
I have to do my outro song for sure, boy,
just because you as like another four that's the end.

(01:07:37):
Thank you. Yeah, I can get the horn section from
Spodi Policias, thank you. I also sampled that. H yeah, okay,
So I think for the next I would love to
recommend which we've also kind of already recommended, but like
maybe hopefully by the time we do it again, the

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show will be fully out. But Reservation Dogs, yeah, we
got to talk about that. We gotta talk about reservation Dogs.
And I don't want you guys to watch this, but
I did watch that show click Bait on Netflix, and
uh not good. And that's my thoughts. I don't want
you guys to watch it, but I did watch it,

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so got it cool? Where can people uh find you
and follow you? I'm at in a hosting on Twitter?
And is there a tweeter or some of the work
of social media you've been enjoying. Did you see that
Paul Strader what's his name? Strader? I think I said
Schaefer got kicked out of a No, it's Paul Straighter,
not Shaeffer, Shroder. Strader the filmmaker got kicked out of

(01:08:43):
a bunch of poker zooms because he just keeps saying
like really wild shipped to the women, like just so inappropriate.
And then he did a news article or he like,
did an interview about it that was like, I mean,
cancel culture. Am I right? You can't tell a woman
to fuck another woman in a zoom poker call? And
I said I would. It was a great friend of mine,
s G. Goodman, I mean. And then Paul Dano, who

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was running one of them, kicked his ass out, and
I'm like, well, okay, Paul Dana, Yeah, there you go.
Hold the line married to Zoe Kazan star of click Bait. Okay, um,
all right. I like both of them very much. Miles,
Where can people find you? What the tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter? Instagram?
At Miles of Gray. Also for the ninety Days Ship

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go to four twenty day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra and I.
A tweet that I am liking is from at Tawanda
Ghana t A w A n d A g O
n A tweeted I'm gonna say candy Man five times
while my homie says beatles to three times and we're
gonna make him fight. I felt really great. And then

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the last one is from at zero suit camu c
A m us It says my son asked me if
he was gonna die someday. I told him no because honestly,
I'm not really in the mood. I hope I did
the right uh parenting. Dave King tweeted, is it true
that the Alicia Key song No One is about? Who

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out pizzas the Hut? And Brendan O'Connor tweeted, if anyone
else is worried about the rats, don't worry. I looked
it up and they can swim for three days without rest,
so like, wow, reassured. Uh. You can find me on
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information that we talked about in today's episode, as well
as a song we think you'll enjoy. Myles. What's this song?
It's uh, We're gonna do another one from one of
my favorite new rappers, the Korean rapper park Hey Jon,
and this track is called what You're Doing Later? And
so I love her flow. She's like I heard like

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low energy delivery is fantastic and the beats fucking knocks.
So take what you're doing later into this weekend and
ask your friends what're you doing later? There you go.
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