This (Jeff) Session’s Over, Chasing The Perfect Wave 11.8.18

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season fifty six, episode fourth.
The Daily zeitgeis the podcast where we take a dive
into America's shared consciousness. It's Thursday, November eight, two thousand eight. Team,
my name is Jack O'Brien. A k here the zeit
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We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
by an old friend of mine from Back to Crack Days.
Is the best selling author. Uh. He is the executive editor.

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He's still the executive editor over there at Prayin uh.
He writes on that site as David Wong. He is
Mr Jason Pargeon. Hello all the to all of the
Daily zeitgeists heads out there. What do you call your
fans gangs? I don't like that. Let's try geist to maniacs.

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There we go, alright, alright, geist maniacs. A. How you
been man? Fill me in on the last two years.
It's it's all a blur. All I know is that
it has lasted about forty years. I think that the
effect of time compression, because let's be honest, Trump has

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never not been president. Right as far as I remember,
the idea that this is the same country that elected
a black man with the middle name Hussein just six
years ago, is that it is very weird. That feels
like a whole different lifetime. Yeah, all right, Jameson, We're

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gonna get to know you a little bit better in
a moment. But first we're gonna tell our listeners what
we're talking about. We're gonna talk about speaking of just
packing a whole lot into a short period of time.
The mid terms are already old news because Sessions is out,
Rosenstein is off the Muller probe, and Trump did just

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a I don't know, like a two hour long touchdown
dance in front of a puzzled media. We're gonna talk
about just mid term stuff. We're gonna circle back if
we can remember what happened during the mid term, and
then we'll talk about breaking bad, the move, the why
every tabloid editor just came really hard, uh, and the

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most googled Thanksgiving recipes by state. But first, Jason, we
like to ask our guest, what is something from your
search history that is revealing about who you are? The
phrase what is post Malone? That is because somebody on
slack like asked if I had seen the scathing rite

(03:26):
up of post Malone in the Washington Post, and I
was not sure, like what the relation was between the
Washington Post and post Malone. It got confused, So it
turns out it's a musician. Yes, But this follows the
pattern with me, where the very very first thing I
read about a phenomenon is an article saying stop paying

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attention to it. This is over. Did you guys see
the Washington Post like the scathing Okay, it was a
scathing thing saying basically that postmone was everything wrong with
music and so everything wrong with America because I guess,
I guess he's something of a conservative or or something.
But anyway, yeah, it was like saying all right, we
need to stop giving this guy attention. And so I

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was like all right, yeah done. When he said like
something about how he's not he doesn't do R and
B or black music or something, I was like, oh, okay.
Culture Vulture like go, hey, what's your bad self? Interesting
has a lot of tattoos, Jason's we'll see. That's the thing.
When I googled like pictures of him, it looked like

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a fake person the Internet had made to play a
prank on me for being out of touch. It's like, oh,
it's this white guy with facial tattoos and he does
like it was like trap music. I don't know what
how you would describe his genre. Acoustic trap music, Yeah,
you know, because that country trap. Yeah, it's a weird
like sort of R and B rapping country. But ironically,

(04:56):
he actually can sing when he's not doing his other thing,
Like he can play guitar and sing a little bit.
I thought it was completely talentless at first when White
Iverson came out his first hit, and then it turned
in my favorite song, Yeah I'm sagging. I'm gonna make
you play every time I enter a room. So if
I go and look on YouTube for his videos. I'm
gonna find at least one that has like a billion

(05:18):
views on it, right, Like I'm literally billion with a bee,
Like I'm going to find out this is the most
popular musician of the decade. At one point, he was
like one of the most streamed artists for one month
when he had like a couple of songs out at
once and people were going wild for was it congratulations? Yeah,
of course he was. Why what do you look kind
of music do you like? Jason? It's not I don't know.

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I don't listen to much music. I because I'm never
in the car because I worked from home and then
I have I'm listening to audio. I'm listening to podcasts
because they come out much much more quickly than what
But I'm a strange person because I can't. I have
trouble thinking when music is playing. So because I have
multiple jobs, it's like the luxury of just being able

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to zone out and play music. I don't get to
do it very often, all right, But when you do,
what do you what do you blasting on your speakers?
I let's see on my phone. The last thing I
played was Run the Jewels three, Okay, And you just
have the whole album on there. But that's I think
probably Jack recommended that to me or I don't know.

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God it okay, there you go. Uh what is something
that is overrated? I apologize in advance if I'm out
of line here, but I'm gonna say Twitter as a
platform for discussing important issues doesn't work. No, it's okay,
we can believe that. Uh yeah, yeah, let's take it.
Let's do another take. What's another You're not out of

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out of line. I kind of kind of sense that
history books are actually going to talk about Twitter a
lot when it looks back on this era, because I
think that that platform it obviously not by design. They
just thought, well, you know, it's you. You limit the
link to the messages. That will be good for people
with phones who don't like to type a lot with
their thumbs. But it's like, no, actually, it was the

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perfect machine for encouraging really bad takes and like the
most like it encourages you to be like, be dismissive
and to oversimplify. And the fact that Trump like took
to it like a fish to water, like that's just
it's amazing. How I don't know, it was like the
perfect platform for the era. It's a perfect platform for

(07:35):
spreading like false outrage, like something where everyone's mad about
something that didn't even occur. It's almost I think there
will be much written in the future about how the
medium of these platforms altered the tone of these platforms,
Like just that character limit does so much. Yeah, this

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is one of my special greatest hits things that I
bring up on this podcastle up. But the guy who
invented the loudspeaker blamed himself for the rise of Nazis.
But I feel like if he existed today, he'd be like,
loudspeakers are changing the world. This is why you need
to get with loudspeakers and our angel investors. Uh yeah,

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But they all say up front that they want to
change the world in like a vague sort of do
did he feel good? E? Way? But then when they
actually changed the world, they seem entirely unprepared as companies
and as people to take responsibility for that because they
just look at like the immediate thing it can do,
where it's like communication connecting people, and then they don't

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see the fallout of that, which is like, oh, you're
organizing like radical hate, ideology and things like that. I'm
sure the same thing with people who got down with
fire the first time. They're like, oh, this is warm.
I liked this, Like, oh, should we burn the whole
fucking village down? And what is something you think is underrated?
YouTube as a place to discuss and cordant issues. Now

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this I was not expecting because YouTube has a bad reputation,
both because the comments on YouTube tend to be just
an utter sewer, also because there's so much publicity about
like all of the Nazis on YouTube. But the thing
that I think the world, like Jack, you vividly remember

(09:21):
meetings we had at Cracked where people were telling us
if a video is more than three minutes long, nobody's
gonna watch. I do remember that. And now you go
on YouTube and the big thing is these long form
reviews two hours long, two and a half hours long,
digging into some subjects, so where you know whereas I
think that like Twitter encourages like the worst possible white

(09:43):
if you know where to look on YouTube, you can
find like fantastic videos doing deep dives into stuff that
I don't think would have been possible anywhere. I guess,
stuff that never would have made it on TV it's
but I mean I can we can list channels. I
like in the footnotes, there's one called ContraPoints that contract. Yeah,

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it's a trans woman who has a philosophy degree, and
she digs into all sorts of stuff like Jordan Peterson
and and in cells and like where these things come
from and the mindset. And it's done from a very
like a sympathetic, thoughtful point of view. Um, and she's
a genius. But it's also hilarious. But and we could
or Cody Johnston has now taken his show Independent that

(10:28):
he was doing on Cracked. But there's a lot of that.
You know, these are long form shows. They'll be forty
five minutes or an hour, and they will dig into
a subject. They will link their sources in the description,
like they will go point by point and break down
a subject. Like they will take these the stuff that
like the Nazis put out there and they will break
it down point by point. It's the exact opposite of Twitter. Again,

(10:51):
if you know where to look, there's plenty of garbage.
But the point is on Twitter, there's like no such
thing as good in depth political content because it's kind
of not possible on YouTube. If you know where to look.
That's as it's more thoughtful than probably any other platform. Yeah,
it's almost like it's a new genre of film or
video that that exists on YouTube, the sort of explainer video.

(11:15):
And I've seen it used to brilliant effect. I've also
seen it used to make people not believe that nine eleven. Yeah,
or I mean it's it's a very easy way to
get radicalized too, I think on either end. But I think,
you know what, to the genre thing, the people who
really made YouTube what it was were people who just
didn't who weren't using the same sort of like rules
of making video or film or TV. And I think, yeah,

(11:39):
that that just sort of gave way to this whole
other genre video, I guess. But yeah, there's there's so
much good stuff on there, there's also a lot of
bad stuff. I know they're in the process of trying
to figure out how they limit a lot of the
sort of shitty, problematic racist channels that are out there.
But you know, it's like anything, it cuts both ways. Yeah,
but I mean a YouTube that was curated by really

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smart people who and also fact checked would be an
amazing platform. Yeah. Yeah, but this is where like the
place to criticize YouTube is in their algorithm that wants
to because their whole thing is in like total minutes watch,
so they want to deliver you directly into another video.
So it's extremely easy to be watching, Okay, here's a

(12:25):
video about video games, or you know, it's criticizing something
in the game. But guess what this game critic is
something of an al right personality, so it takes you
directly into his next video, which is about cultural Marxism, which,
because of the way their playlists is just an algorithm, right,
Like all they know is people who watched this also

(12:47):
tended to watch this, and it's very agnostic that way.
So you're like four videos away from an outright like
actual Nazi with a swastick on the channel, just by
following the trail from you know, God of War sucked
to this game shouldn't have had black people in it,
to the great replacement theory in Europe and how white

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white genocide like you're you're not that far away at
any given moment. That's the part they haven't solved. But
that's the whole thing. There's no like humans behind it.
For the most part, it's just a series of algorithms,
and it's like, hey, as long as you're watching, who
cares if you're a twelve year old kid who literally
is now watching a two hour long video on why

(13:31):
all non white races must be exterminated because you started
half hour ago watching something about minecraft. Right, Yeah, and
you say they haven't solved it yet, as though it's
a thing they're trying to solve. But right, that's not
at all clear to me. No. I think, Yeah, as
long as they can get people with like mouth a
gape k hole watching habits, that's all they want. And finally, Jason,

(13:55):
what's a myth? What's something people think is true that
you know to be false. The thing that is been
out there for the last three years now or however
long we've been in the Trump era, going back to
when he first announced is the idea of everything that
is happening now is new and uncharted territory. Okay, give
an example of something where you see people kind of

(14:18):
misunderstanding this. This goes back to kind of Twitter as
a platform, because they're the tone very much has been.
America was born in seventeen seventy six. We had freedom
for two hundred and thirty years or whatever, and then
fascists took over the government. Yeah, it is really hard

(14:38):
because there's so much more attention now and we'll get
into like they had massive turnout in Tuesday's elections, Like
there's so much more attention now. You know, politics has
taken over the culture that You've got lots and lots
of people who are getting into politics for the very
first time, some of them just because they're they're young,
like they they're just now old enough to be aware

(14:59):
in For people like that, it's really really hard to
tell the difference between this is something unique to Trump,
which some of this is versus this is just kind
of the patterns, the rhythm of how things work in America. So,
for instance, the thing with the midterms, the opposing party

(15:21):
gaining a bunch of seats after the other party won
the White House, that always happens, like this is just
a cycle. It's you know, it happened with Obama, happened
with Clinton. In many ways, lots of the things that
look weird to us are just kind of part of
patterns that play out in the same way that if

(15:43):
we have a really strong economy for the next two years,
Trump will be a strong favor to be reelected. That's
not due to anything unique Trump has done. If it happens,
it's not due to America is now under the thrall
of an authoritarian It's just due to the fact that
we tend to elect the guy when the economy is strong,
because most people don't pay super close attention to politics.

(16:05):
Like that's what's easy to get lost in with all
the apocalyptic talk on Twitter? Is it for the most part,
everyday life kind of looks the same for most people. Yeah,
And I do think there are some things that are
new in the Trump era, but I mean, yeah, and

(16:26):
you know, America, just whether the economy is good or not,
America tends to re elect the person who's in office
when they run a second time, or even like when
Hillary was running, it's like, oh, like we're going to
do two terms of a Democrat and go into another
administration of Democrats like that was already that was a
little bit of an uphill battle too. Yeah, very rare. Yeah,

(16:47):
you we usually change parties after that, and that's why,
like Trump, you know, and we had this discussion two
years ago, Jack, but you know, Trump underperformed generic Republican
like you know a lot of people hated Hillo, Like
I think that if let's say Marco Rubio had come
out of the primaries, I think he actually beats Hillary

(17:08):
much easier than than Trump. Dead um, But a lot
of Trump's vote was yeah, it was just them voting
generic Republican Like that's That's the thing is, when you
follow the stuff every day, it's very easy to get
like you have a memory of all these hundreds and
hundreds of scandals. But I think you'd be very surprised
if you grabbed a random person off the street and said, well,

(17:30):
what do you what do you think about about you know,
this Michael Cohen stuff? And they would be like who right, yeah,
or what do you think about that? New York Times
op ed from that Trump and sider. It's like, what
the hell are you talking about? Right? Well, all right,
let's get onto stories that are truly unprecedented improved that
the world is crumbling around us. So Sessions has been

(17:53):
fired or you know, asked to step down. Essentially, Rosenstein
is off the Mueller probe. He's no longer running shit,
And the person who is is a loyalist who has
openly questioned the validity of the Mueller investigation. Well, it's
funny because you know, normally you have an attorney general

(18:13):
leave or whatever. Normally the deputy attorney General in this case,
Rod Rosenstein would step in. But of course these is
different times. So you know, Trump wanted somebody who was
literally someone who may have written an op ed about
how the Mueller probe is bullshit, and he found it
in the form of Matt Whittaker, who was Jeff Session's
former chief of staff and avid cross fit guy and

(18:36):
football player. Uh so, yeah, I mean, in a way,
Trump may have found his little attack dog for now.
But when he he basically wrote an op ed just
like I think, months or weeks before joining the d
o J, and he wrote in his op ed about
the Mueller investigation, just have an idea of what where
this guy is coming from. He's a Deputy Attorney General.
Rod Rosenstein's letter appointing Special Counsel Robert Mueller does not

(18:58):
give Mueller broad far reaching powers in this investigation. It does, uh,
And then he goes on to say it is only
authorized to investigate matters that involve any potential links to
and coordination between two entities, the Trump campaign and the
Russian government, and you're like, no, okay, well that seems
like a good resume as uh for someone who is
supposed to shield him from the Democrats essentially. Now, But

(19:20):
isn't that something that Mueller kind of insulated himself against
by kind of sending all of the investigations into Trump's
sort of fraudulent financial practices to the south of New York,
the Southern District. Yeah, I mean, he's definitely diversifying the
ways that Trump can be gotten, uh, you know, because

(19:41):
for this exact reason, because I think they knew if
it gets too hot, it'll probably activate what is it,
Wednesday night massacre or whatever you want to yeah, Wednesday
afternoon massacre. But it's funny when you go through his tweets,
he has some fucking weird just things he would tweet
stuff like Monuraja tweeted something that said Lindsay Graham also
says he's drafting legislation to insulate the Special counsel from

(20:02):
White House pressure, and then Matt Whittaker's response, this would
be a mistake. Cannot have anyone unaccountable, and Executive Branch
already protected enough. Then talking about Paul Manafort, when the
FBI rated his home. Do we want our government to
quote intimidate us? M uhm. FBI's manafort, right, included a
dozen agents designed to intimidate. And he goes on, I mean,
this guy is reading from the script that Trump would

(20:24):
want if he's going to be the person looking over
the Mother investigation. And I just want to say he
does love Dave Matthews because he did tweet this was
back January. Dave Matthews is the Jimmy Buffett of our time.
M wait is that is that are those words of support?

(20:45):
I don't know. I mean you have to I mean
you have to establish a universe of bad taste and
music too. Assumed that that was a compliment, right, But
I feel like someone would probably like you'd have to
be pretty savvyed us to you. Is Jimmy Buffett as
a slander? I feel because he looks like the kind
of guy who would be stoked to go to Margaritaville? Right? Okay, Yeah,

(21:06):
that toast Malone is the Jimmy Buffett. And yeah, I
mean we don't we still don't know what Matt Whittaker
is going to do as a g if he's gonna
totally can the probe if he's just gonna try and
hamstring in in as many ways as possible to just
have the appearance of this investigation going on. But I mean, yeah,
there's there's really no way to know because we don't

(21:28):
We've never had to deal with this before, Right, what
happens if he does like just say ship can the
Mueller probe? Like do we know what? What would happen?
Or if he says, okay, the Muller probe, Like whatever
the um investigation is, we don't want that report going
out to people like and then the House subpoenas that document,

(21:51):
then we just don't know what happens after that. No,
because this is a political process, not a legal process.
Trump is not going to go to jail. They're not
gonna arrest Trump. This is what you're talking about, is like,
for instance, impeachment, it goes through the House, which it
could because it's controlled by Democrats, but then you need
two thirds of the Senate. Well, that wouldn't happen unless

(22:15):
they decided it was advantageous, Like if they thought whoever
they put in instead of Trump had like a really
better chance of winning in Trump did, then they may
do it. But it's a political decision, and and that's
the way it should be. They you know, it's generally
been agreed upon that you don't want your president to

(22:35):
be marched out of the White House and handcuffs, because
that's how it works in like Banana republics, where it's
like we just invent a reason to arrest the president.
So in general, the whole idea is like, well, you
can remove them from office and then he can face
whatever consequences, or if you find him guilty of something
after he leaves office, if he loses the election, you

(22:57):
could prosecute him because then he's just a private citizen.
But between now and this is a political process. This
is about how the Democrats want to do this to
try to damage him politically. This is about the house
holding hearings on TV. It's all about like affecting the
vote in I don't think anything's going to happen. They

(23:17):
would remove him from office unless Trump decided that like leaving,
like quitting the job, resigning and like a very grandstandy way,
and then like at that same press conference like announcing
the launch of Trump TV, like if he decided that
that was like the ultimate viral advertising for his new venture,

(23:39):
like I was too honest for America, Like the deep
state ultimately had to get rid of me. But I'm
going to now devote myself to taking that down the
deep state. Like if he judged that it was to
his advantage to step down, then he would do it.
But otherwise we're all talking about setting up like this
is all political, right, So I mean, I guess we'll

(24:02):
we'll see how it goes. Keep our eyelanding if I
can offer, if I can offer a prediction, I think,
if the economy goes in the tank in the next
two years, and it could, we're due for a recession.
But obviously no one knows when recessions are gonna show
up or else any day. You'd be super rich if
you magically knew exactly when they when they were going

(24:23):
to arrive. But if if, for instance, you get a
downturn six months from now, you get bad jobs reports,
the stock market goes in the tank, I can easily
see Trump come twenty nineteen announcing he's not going to
run for re election because he's already accomplished everything that
can be accomplished as a president. He has already saved America.

(24:45):
He has already he wants to go out on top
as the best president ever. Like like, if he sensed
he was gonna lose, I don't think he would go
through with it, and I think he has instincts for that.
But I think if he sense that there's going to
be like a humiliating defeat in twenty I think he
would bail out rather than suffer through it, because then
he can do it on his own terms, say like, look, America,

(25:07):
I've already accomplished more in my four years than every
president combined prior to me. Honestly, at this point, I've
accomplished too much. But I'm going to return to my
businesses because you know, they're suffering without me, without my genius.
Like he would find some face saving way to not
run again. Although the one thing that I I think

(25:28):
he thought he was going to lose in humiliating fashion
ahead of the two thousand and sixteen election, like a
lot of people in the media thought. So. I just
wonder if he's going to be too fooled by his
own success to ever truly believe that he's out of
it in in an upcoming race. But it'll be maybe,

(25:48):
But I think the whole rigged election thing was going
to be the basis upon which he was going to
launch his new TV show or book or whatever likes like,
this is why they you know, the system is rigged
against regular folk like you and me. Uh, regular regular people.
Can I point out that the Jeff Sessions his sad

(26:09):
undated resignation letter that he clearly had had written like
a year ago and just had in his desk for
the day, Like, that's the one thing to remember from this.
Robert Mueller and another seven billion people on Earth knew
this day was coming, mainly because Trump every forty eight
hours would go on Twitter and say, I'm gonna fire

(26:30):
Jeff Sessions soon. What piece of crap? So this is
not no Mure. This everyone knew this was coming. He
took many steps to insulate himself. This would be much
more ominous if the Democrats had not just won the
House because see that the House has investigation powers, oversight powers,

(26:52):
subpoena powers, Like if Trump fired had him fire Mure tomorrow,
the House could subpoena every document Muer's report. They could
have Muller on National TV testifying in January like, so
this does this does nothing? Other than what Trump wanted
it to do, which was to take the mid terms
off the headlines. There's no reason I had to be

(27:13):
done today other than to take over the news cycle. Yeah. Well,
when you watch did you see his press conference the
post mid terms melt down that he had where you
can kind of tell that it seemed that he realized
he might be in a new era right now, just
the way he was responding to some questions about whether
it was his rhetoric or what he might do with
other policy things, Like there was an air about him

(27:36):
where he really just felt like he looked like just
cheap Kroger brand mobster talking a bunch of ship. But
I think that is Trump's comfort zone in my opinion.
I think he likes conflict for for conflicts sake, and
I think that's why he's the man for this era,
is because we were just a psychopathically board society and

(28:02):
he was the one who came along and just made
it all interesting and like the worst possible way. But
you know, that's goes back to Twitter, It goes back
to social media in the way it highlights conflict and
that only outrage bubbles to the surface. Well, that's Trump's
like that's he's from the world of reality TV, the
world of I'm not here to make friends. Like that's

(28:24):
that's his whole thing is he loves that that tone.
That's how he lives his life. He likes you know,
and that's how he ran his businesses. He likes people
to be fighting. He he feels like it's productive. I mean,
that's why he's allows the politician. He's not good at
getting legislation pushed through. He's not good at crafting legislation
slation that will like survive the courts or anything like.

(28:47):
It's just yeah, it's well unless your goal is to
be a media figure and you're just using the presidency
as a tool to become too, to expand your profile
and on the media landscape, in which case he's a
master at it. He knows exactly how to take over
a new cycle, maybe better than anybody in the world. Right.

(29:09):
I like to think of like all these maneuvers of
like the president firing his attorney general while he's being
investigated for you know, colluding with Russia as just the
you know, equivalent of a real housewife like stage whispering
something shitty about someone else in that person over here
and just like completely staged, like set up conflicts from

(29:33):
reality TV, because it's true, he's just like a reality
TV producer. He's not comfortable unless there's some manner of
conflict that he's involved in going on on camera. I
mean in profiles of him. I think there was that
New York Times profile of him during his first year
where they said he gets really uncomfortable when he's not

(29:55):
in the headlines for a day and fire like, what
I do, What I do? What I do? How do
I piss people off? Just eat a burrito? Real weird?
That's right. That worked worked for us. All Right, we're
gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back, and

(30:20):
we're back. And I wanted to talk about college education
because I was listening to a report on my drive
into work today where somebody was using that as an explanation.
They were saying, like, college educated voters were, you know,
ex more likely x percentage points more likely to vote

(30:41):
for Democrats. And when you break it out by white
voters who don't have a college education, bus white voters
who do have a college education, Uh, it's even more stark.
And this reminded me of something that Jason, you and
I talked about on an old episode of the Cracked
podcast this idea of America having a class system that

(31:06):
we as Americans don't really recognize in terms of how
it operates in our day to day lives. And one
of the interesting sort of re contextualizations that I took
away from uh that discussion on class was this book
talked about how universities and colleges are actually more about

(31:27):
socializing you to act in accordance with your class in America,
like the upper class in America, the gentry class in America.
That's the main thing you learn at college more so
than you know, whatever your major is. It gives you friends,
It gives you a friend group that is in that

(31:47):
upper class. It teaches you what your beliefs are supposed
to be. And so I mean, viewed from that perspective,
it kind of makes sense that college degrees are so
starkly defining what side of the country you vote on
or what party you vote for, and just to the

(32:10):
point that it's almost like different classes just perceive things
in completely different ways. They'll see the same press conference
and perceive it in completely different ways. Right. Well, I
think in are you know, entering the workforce. Now, if
you want a job that could actually sustain a family
and all that, you you almost certainly need a college

(32:32):
degree to get that kind of employment too. And I
think also that could be one of the reasons why
there's such a I don't know if the the animosity
towards education and things like that too, because if as
it if it does become the sort of marker of classes,
then you would be like, well, those are the fancy
college people, while I might not have a degree and
have a sort of you know, cynical viewpoint of that, right,

(32:55):
And when you listen to NPR talk about that's what
I was listening to. An NPR was talking about like, well,
these college educated voters versus not college educated, and they
were using it. I mean, it would have totally changed
the context of what they were talking about if they
said college socialized as opposed to but they were focused.
They really emphasis is always on the educated, because I

(33:17):
think they want it to be. You know, they're talking
to the people who went to college. They want you
to think, well, I'm the more educated person, and by
being smarter, I therefore and making the right decision. And
these poor dumb SAPs just don't know how to vote
for what's best for them. And you know, I think

(33:37):
you know, Jason, you've spoken to the fact that people
who you know, you grew up with, who are part
of Trump Country are not any dumber and in fact
a lot smarter than a lot of the people you've
met since coming to our world. But it's just it's
sort of different class conventions that we adopt. Yeah, and

(34:00):
even now, without recapping that whole episode we did, it's
when you say class, most people listening to this think
you're purely talking about income, because in America, that's usually
the only way we talk about it. You're a middle class,
lower class, upper class. And what that discussion was about,
and we've got links we can throw in for the
people who want to do further reading on it, is

(34:21):
that it's almost more like a map of different classes.
Because the whole deal with the recent Trump appeals to
certain classes is that he is worth a billion dollars,
but he has demannerisms and the tastes and the point
of view of someone from a completely different what we
would consider like a working class. He has the he

(34:43):
has the accent. He is involved in w w E wrestling,
which is which is more of like seen as it's
more associated with the working class, whereas you know, and
an example of it being divorced from money on the
other side is think about a college pre essor. A
college professor does not make good money like they are,

(35:05):
you know, meal to meal, but college professors, or at
least a lot of college professors, but they are part
of that upper class. They have the correct values, they
carry around the correct NPR tote bag. So this is
something that's very apparent in other countries. Other countries are
very aware of it that you know, there's money, but

(35:27):
like you don't get to just earn your way to
like a higher class. It's all about what you've been
socialized and what you've grown up around. And I think
just America has a real blind spot when it comes
to how just class oriented our our society is. And
a lot of the things that you hear in the

(35:50):
mainstream media and on the left when discussing you know,
parts of like rural America really ring a little more
kind of leave a bad taste in your mouth if
you're paying attention to sort of class dynamics. And it's
not that hard to see in other parts of especially

(36:10):
in pop culture because when I wrote the big article
about this, that suddenly became a much bigger deal after
after Trump won. My example I used the touchstone was
like the Hunger Games, because when you watch that movie,
the hero is a rustic, rural hunter living in like

(36:31):
a shack who hunts for food and you know, works
with her hands, and she's kind of dirty or whatever.
And then the evil people live in this fancy city.
They wear ridiculous, gaudy clothes. They're very pretentious, you know,
they put on airs, and without having to be told,
we automatically hate those people. And we automatically like Catanus

(36:54):
because she's salt of the earth, she's tough. It's more
masculine values, right, because she's a hunter. Where in the city,
in the capital, it's all of these pressy guys and
their sequined clothes. So even among all the rest of us,
like that code for the snooty upper class versus the
assault of the earth heroes, it brings true. You know,

(37:15):
let's Luke Skywalker living on the desert planet, you know,
I mean, farming humidity or whatever the hell they did
for the farmers. Yeah, and then whereas like Darth Vader,
they lived on the State of the Art Death Star,
and that automatically that code says urban versus rural. Rural

(37:35):
is the good guys. Urban is the people who are
out of touch, wealthy. Well, that's that's all it is.
It's the way they see everything that's symbolized in like
urban people, the education level, the income level, the people
talking about, oh have you seen Hamilton's yet, Oh, you've

(37:57):
got to go, It's amazing. It was like the rest
the other cent of America who did not have access
to Hamilton's in any capacity, got real sick of seeing
sitcom episodes where all of the characters are trying to
get Hamilton's tickets. Like you get these signals that like
they're living on a different planet and it's a different

(38:18):
planet where they are detached from real problems, you know.
And again that's obviously us on this podcast think that's unfair,
But it shouldn't be that hard to grasp because it
turns up in pop culture everywhere. Well yeah, that idea though, too,
that we live in these separate and almost planets within
a country. I could kind of see that sort of

(38:40):
being amplified when I was I was looking at like
how a lot of the Q and on. People were
so disheartened by the results of the mid terms because
they were promised a red wave by Q and they
were fully invested, like Okay, this is our time, and
when that didn't happen, they became so disheartened, and the
talk just became to like, oh, man, one of the
mo abs going to be dropped on their city. Like

(39:01):
this idea that like the military needs to come in.
That there's this view that there are all these people
who are you know, part of I guess support this
deep state or whatever force their diametrically opposed to is,
you know, exists in this other part that is like
so well defined that you could just drop bombs on
it or send the military in as if it's like
this other were like, I don't know, a rogue army

(39:23):
or something that's like gallivanting around the country. Yeah. Another
thing I was just thinking about is that, you know,
when you look at the endowments of these universities. Harvard
University has a thirty eight billion dollar endowment, Yale has
a twenty six billion dollar endowments, Stanford billion, Prince, these
are universities that still charge people, you know, hundreds of

(39:46):
thousands of dollars for a four year in education, Like,
what are they do? Why would they do that? They
don't need the money, so you're gate keeping, Yeah, gate
keeping into a certain extent. It's insane. It came up
in this Supreme Court case about affirmative action, and it
was just kind of I hadn't really thought about it
in a while, but the fact that colleges still use

(40:07):
legacy is insane that that, Why would you in a
society where you know, this is a huge part of
the sorting process and we're supposed to be a meritocracy.
And I know that might seem like willfully naive to
think that America isn't meritocracy, but it's just colleges, I

(40:29):
feel like, are very complicit in this whole thing and
this whole divide. Yeah, well, I think again, like you know,
with Harvard, the Ivy leagues, to even go to one
already puts you in another class, another culture of people.
And I think the more you can, the more obstacles
there are to attain that. That's how they protect that
class of people. And I think just with even when

(40:50):
you look at education, it's increasingly harder and harder to
be a not do not have a lot of uh
like cash at your dispose and still try and get
a college education without you know, having to work multiple
jobs at once or rely on like you know, predatory
loans or something. It's just yeah, it's just sort of

(41:11):
set up in a way that's really just kind of
making it harder for people to sort of move into
that right by design. And this is something that it's
a subject that you rarely here discussed, which is the
idea that you have classes that specifically are built to
keep other people out of that of that class, of
that social class. It's a subject we don't like to

(41:32):
talk about much at all. We love to talk about
economic class like that's you know, we love to talk
about race. But the idea of like social classes and
how much of a role it plays in terms of
what opportunities are available to you. Uh, it's almost like
the people who are most invested in that have the
power to make us not discuss it. Right, And it's

(41:55):
not a conspiracy theory. It's you look at the schools
that you know, remembers of Congress went to, or that
you know C. E. O. S went to. Yeah, it's
there's you know there's entire sections of the economy or
of the of society where which school you went to
and which fraternity you're a member of is everything that's

(42:18):
part of what gets you on the door. I remember
when Trump was determining who his final list of Supreme
Court nominees were going to be, that they distinguished Amy
Coney Barrett as like being different because she went to
Notre Dame and didn't go to Yale. It was like,
seen as weird to have not gone to one college Yale.

(42:39):
They were like, and she's very different in addition to
being a woman. She didn't go to Yale as opposed
to every other member on the list. But Trump might
want more of a Yelle guy. It's like, what the
funk are you talking about? What does that mean? But
those are the optics to someone like that, who was
just like, oh, this is a It's a signal to him, Okay,
Yale equals this thing. And it's like sort of my topic,

(43:00):
what can and Trust's relationship to class has always been
very complicated. He was a queen's guy who always wanted
to break into the island of Manhattan, and you know,
he claims to hate the New York Times, but he
always wanted The New York Times to write about him,
and you know, so there's also some degree of you know,
aspiration even I think probably embedded in him even now

(43:25):
that he's the President of the United States. We're gonna
link off to Jason. Included in our duck a something
called Clarita's Prism, which is a list marketers created of
the sixty eight different classes in America as defined by marketers.
So yeah, you can get real specific in particular. But

(43:47):
these are the sorts of things that people who sell
us stuff know about us that we don't think about ourselves.
They're like, are you a money in brains person or
a winner circle kind of person? You're like, oh, this
is getting very nuance. Oh you can find yourself on
the list. No one, no one likes to think of
themselves as just a type. But yeah, to these marketing firms,

(44:10):
trust me, they can take one look at the type
of shoes you where, they can take a look at
where you ate lunch. It's like, ah, you are an
whatever whatever they're cutesy name for. Just one other real
quick statistic that I've seen kind of thrown around about
how the midterms went down, is that the you know,

(44:32):
if you want to look at just overall the mood
of the nation, then the House vote is probably the
best way to do that, since there are House elections
everywhere in the country and it's not you know, one
personality that is defining how an entire state votes, but uh,
you know, it's a bunch of different individual opportunities for

(44:52):
people to vote in line with their their values. And
so Democrats one the House popular vote by more than
any party has won the House popular vote in many years,
I think, since two thousand eight was the last time.
But it's like more than these legendary red wave elections

(45:17):
like when New Gang Rich like took the House away
from the Democrats. And it's you know, more than the
two thousand ten election that was supposedly this huge referendum
on Obama. And it's not. The numbers aren't final yet,
but they're thinking it's going to be in that range
where it would have been a way of election were

(45:38):
it not for these institutional things like jerrymandering and also
just the bad luck of the draw when it came
to Senate seats. Yeah, so I don't know, I guess
I'm curious why because I do see a lot of
mainstream media covering this as though, you know, why did
the blue wave fail to materialize? Is and it's like, yeah,

(46:02):
I mean that's that's definitely a way of interpreting it. Um.
It's also you know, the people voted in record number
and it was a pretty pretty strong directionally in terms
of like where people how people move. Yeah. Well, a
lot of the coverage has sort of been like letting

(46:23):
the perfect become the enemy of the good in terms
of how they look at the race, because it's like, well,
it wasn't a total blowout and meltdown, so therefore was
shady and it's all expectations. Yeah, And I think you know,
that's where you also let people know, like this was
a really good year for all kinds of progressive candidates,
for women, LGBTQ, people of color, Like there there was

(46:43):
there were many gains being made in that department. And
I think there's you know that we can also take
a second and say this was a hard fought mid
term and despite a lot of the voter suppression or
jerrymandering and a lot of other things that we do
up against that there this there was you can look
at this in a very positive way and not get
too down because you know, the Senate stayed read you

(47:05):
can just get down because you're paying attention to the
w W E. Villain press conference that went down today.
Get down about that instead. Uh. And I think the
fact that the media excused a little bit liberal, I
think helps us along because they take it so hard,
like there's so much harder, Like they declare every little

(47:27):
Republican victory is like massive. And even if if Democrats,
i mean Democrats flipped six or seven governors so far,
some are still out of the time this is being recorded,
like that's huge. They like you have state legislatures that
have flipped, and that helps dictate like voting policy, all
sorts of things. They were profound things that happened, like

(47:50):
a lot of the state level measures and and there
was like five thousand people gained healthcare because of states
that now will expand medicaid because like you know, in
because he flipped the governor because the you know, they
were it was a ballot measure. Like there was a
lot that happened. But I think it's similar to where
the media acted, Like again, the whole concept of like

(48:13):
the fascist takeover of the government, as if Trump just
swept into power just overwhelmingly, when again it was votes
across three states, he lost the popular vote. If you
replay that election ten times, Trump probably wins three times
and Hillary probably wins seven. But it's like, oh my gosh,

(48:35):
this is there. There are now two eras in America
pre Trump and after Trump, like like everything, like we've
lost the country. It's like yeah, but see here we
are two years later and the supposed authoritarian fascist who
utterly took over the government now cannot pass a single bill.
He now cannot pass any legislation. He's gonna be harassed

(48:56):
on or I say harassed, like he's going to be
investigated in very humiliating ways every week. His taxes are
going to become public, like two months from now. He
will hate that, like he already I don't think enjoys
being president all that much. Like he's going to hate this, right, yeah,

(49:16):
this is not going to be fun for him. I
don't think, no, no, not with a little thing called oversight,
right yeah, And that's because that's built into the system.
That's why we have midterms. This system is built so
that one madman cannot take it over. It is the
system is broken on purpose to make that not happen.

(49:39):
That's why we haven't had one party maintained like both
branches of government for four consecutive years since nineteen. We
elect one after two years, we get so disgusted we
throw out. We throw them out right and put the
other party in. And it's it's checks and balances. This
is the system working. If he if the outrage of

(50:00):
the country for two years, then guess what, he loses
a bunch of his power. This is how it's supposed
to work. Although, yeah, I'm worried about how the Senate
ends up looking years from now as people begin just
moving to like the same fifteen states and then you know,
I think we already have there's that's a lot of
the debate I've seen spring up from the elections. We're

(50:20):
basically talking about, all right, what are we gonna do
about the Senate now? Because you have places like Wyoming
who have the fraction of the population of something like
a California, yet they're still getting the two Senate votes,
and where where do we go? But I think that's
something that Democrats are gonna have to ask themselves if
they can ever fully control Congress, right, it's uh, not
totally clear how that's going to be changed. I hadn't

(50:43):
realized before Red Wave that wasn't even as big as
the you know, democrats victory yesterday. Probably that people just
assumed that Democrats would never lose the House, like that
was just an assumption. It was taught in political science
classes like the Democrats are permanently in control of the House,
and you know, the Republicans might get the Senate here

(51:04):
and there, but it's never going to change. And like
Mike Pasco, the host of the Gist podcasts on Slate,
was talking about how in he took a political science
class where they taught that Democrats, Um, so, you know,
stuff that seems structural and insurmountable one year can can

(51:29):
always flip with a you know, very charismatic person like
Newt Gingrich coming to power. Well, and in two thousand
and eight one Obama got it like that. There were
plenty of articles about how, okay, well, is this the
end of the Republican Party forever? Because clearly now it's
a more diverse country, We're only getting more diverse, right,

(51:50):
and so clearly like the the party that's based on
you know, like all of the coded racial stuff and
immigration and being tough on crime and all that, like
that's all over. So it's it's like any time you
try to project a hundred years into the future, and
this even goes to the Supreme Court, you know what
it's like. I completely understand the fear of like a

(52:12):
conservative court for the next forty years. But one of
these steadfast liberals was a Reagan appointee, like you know,
like Kennedy was appointed by Reagan, and then Suitor was
appointed by was a Bush senior, Like these were appointed
by Republicans and then they became liberals after they sat
on the court. This is not as straightforward as you think.

(52:36):
These guys tend to lean leftward as they get older
in many cases or in some cases, they're not just
partisan hacks, like they are actually trying to do like
what they're following the Constitution. Like it's not strictly you know,
we we talked about like Republican Supreme Court justices that historically,
actually it hasn't necessarily worked that way. We will see

(52:59):
with having On because he, on one hand, does seem
to be the most I don't know, his hearing was
the most partisan that we've ever seen a Supreme Court justice.
But all right, we're gonna show another quick break and
we'll be right back with some lighter stuff. And we're

(53:27):
back and a couple of quick things here. Yes, breaking bad,
breaking news, breaking news about breaking bad. There may be
a movie. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if we
need a breaking bad movie, but I like, better call saulce.
I'm still I like that universe. But yeah, the rumors

(53:47):
now that the rumors are grumbling that Vince Gilligan has
been working on a feature like script titled Greenbrier, which
would center possibly around Jesse Pinkman's character, and I mean
it looks I mean a lot of people reporting on
it like Okay, this is definitely moving somewhere. And then
Brian Cranston was recently asked when he was on The
Dan Patrick Show, and he was like, Hey, I haven't

(54:09):
read a script, but he's like, but if if it's happening,
and Vince asked me, He's like, I'm I'm there, I'm
kis and barging it up. This is something that fans
always go crazy about. I even went crazy about the
fact that there is now a Deadwood movie that is
in production because I that specifically was a TV show
that just kind of left on an open plot point

(54:32):
and I'm excited to see how they close it up.
And I just loved that show. But TV shows that
the creators of that TV show then like expanded into
a movie. What what is the successful precedent for that?
I have know what? Like there's the X Files movies
that were like didn't do great, not great? Um what else?

(54:55):
I mean? They even managed to funk up the Simpsons movie.
I mean, it wasn't bad, but it was just like
an hour and a half length episode of The Simpsons. Yeah,
Like I mean, I I'll love anything made mine, but yeah,
I'm trying to south Park. South Park movie was probably
my favorite example of this succeeding. Yeah. Well, I mean

(55:15):
and also I feel like the Star Trek films were
able to kind of take their people you saw on
TV and then put them into a movie and it
wasn't that jarring. That's the example that I was looking for,
and that is probably what they are thinking. They're like,
that's it's the next star star Trek. We're gonna star
Trek this, Uh, spin it out, You're gonna Star Trek
breaking Okay, Well, I mean because when you look at
the other films too that have like been based off shows,

(55:37):
they're never really the original cast. Like there's like a
Bewitched movie or like the flint Stone right exactly where
they're just like, Okay, let's take that I p and
then turn it up like times a hundred of Superstars.
So I don't know, I'm interested in breaking bad movie. Yeah,
look why not? You know, Look, if I got a
reason to bust out my old sweet blue prop meth,

(55:58):
take it to a movie theater and I'd say it's props. Also,
I think from like the creator's point of view, I
think this is always less about the story they want
to tell and more just Vince Galagin would like to
work with Aaron Paul again, and he's got that. He's
got that crew in Albuquerque he likes working with. I
think a lot of it's just like and of course

(56:20):
they'll amc Will will be behind whatever the hell he
wants to together. So I think it starts because like
when they made the decision to make Better Call Saul,
like he at the first thought it was gonna be
like a half hour wacky sitcom where it's like every
every week they would have a new wacky case, and
they later decided, oh no, that's the worst idea anyone's

(56:40):
ever had. But like, the vision for the show wasn't anywhere.
All they knew was like, we'd love to work with
Bob Odin Kirk. We would love to, you know, keep
this crew together, keep filming here, you know, keep this
creative team together, and then you kind of come up
with the story after that. I think from the audience's
point of view, you always assume it's all about out.
You know, there's more to the story to tell, But

(57:02):
in reality that's often the last thing. They're like, wait, so,
what the funk are we gonna do? Um No, it's
literally that like it's it's you get the band back together.
It's like, all right, let's sit down, get in the
meeting room, and well we'll have fun, we'll come up
with something. It'll be it'll be fine, it'll be it'll
turn out that uh, that that was all a dream,
that that Heisenberg was having, the part where he died.

(57:23):
He'll like sit up in bed, like, oh thank god,
that was just now. Well I had to go back
to a cooking meth. My theory has always been that
Vince Gilligan's idea was to try and escape, like because
Brian Cranston was so good as Walter White and he
was like really attached to the character. I think Better

(57:47):
Call Saul was like his chance to like go back
and work on that show without the attachment of Brian
Cranston's attachment to that character. Because I think the end
of the series Breaking Bad like went off in a
weird direction that wasn't true to like how they had
written it and directed it up to that point. Um,
So I just wonder if that relationship was too complicated

(58:10):
for Vince Gilligan to navigate, and so he you know,
if you see interviews with Bran crasting towards the end
of the show, he's like talking about Walter White like
with pride as as like someone whose decisions he's validating.
And I said, I don't know, it's it's a long,
convoluted theory, but I'll be interested to see what they
do with this. Uh, We're not going to spend too

(58:33):
much time on the Pit Joe Lee divorce other than
to say that you'll be hearing a lot of it
because it is coming up on December four, and man,
the tabloids will do anything to talk about that couple.
I know they've spent the last one, I think eight
months just making stuff up and making literally photo shopping

(58:55):
their faces onto other people's bodies to get a story.
But Miles, let's go out on this Thanksgiving recipes by state. Yes, uh,
you know over on the takeout Food blog I love
to check out. Uh. They apparently got a map from
a company called Satellite Internet and they're like a service provider,
and they sort of i think, trawled the data they
had of people on their network and then put that

(59:18):
up against Google trends to see what the top searched
recipe was for Thanksgiving by state, And when you look
at it, it's it's I mean, it seems pretty par
for the course. I think people in California don't know
how to make turkey, so they're gonna google turkey. Actually,
because we've had examples from the Takeout of maps where
each different state had a different like top search result

(59:40):
and it was like too good to be true, this
one actually seems like it's true because half of the
states are just like searching turkey. But then there's some
interesting ones, like Jason, you are currently in Tennessee, so
that's sweet potato. But you are from Illinois and their
number A one searched term is Popeye's Cajun Turkey. I

(01:00:04):
love that. Yeah, they're also what is that? North Carolina
was also looking at it. Yeah, there's three different states
that have specifically Popeye's Cajun turkey. Is that a thing?
Where where would that have come up? That that many
people would be? Like? Do they serve that on things? Yeah?
It's Illinois, Virginia. My bad, sorry started North Carolina. Yeah,
Illinois and Virginia were like the top two Popeyes and

(01:00:24):
then Maryland Is that the yeah? I think so, yeah,
I don't. I don't know what it must be. Yeah,
because there's I don't see any other like restaurant type
recipe on here. It's weird that that specific one that's
the one that jumps out of like the most confusing.
I mean it sounds good. I like if Popeyes was
serving the Cajun turkey turkey, I'd certainly try it. And

(01:00:45):
Connecticut's just Thanksgiving desserts just that broadly. Louisiana also Popeyecasian chicken,
the cornbread dressing. Oh are they yeah? Yeah, that's the
boot shaped one. Sorry, it's Mississippi. That is Popeye's Cajun chicken.
These maps always test our ability to identify states based
on the shape. Green being cast role in Texas is

(01:01:06):
sounds good. It's also the entire like the Midwest is
pretty uniform and green being castrole being there dish. Yeah,
for some reason, Utah is jello. Wasn't somebody saying in
the in our mentions that jello is like really big
in Utah? I think in just in general, like, yeah,
jello as Yeah, it's just been used all over the

(01:01:27):
place in Alaska pumpkin cheesecake. Okay, alright, Alaska doing something different.
I like it, Jason, anything that you're really looking forward to. Uh,
I don't like sweet potatoes. I like just all of
the butter and the sugar that you put on them.
Like the sweet potatoes are kind of just a vessel
to to hold the butter and the sugar together. Like

(01:01:49):
it could literally be anything. It could be a piece
of fish, and I'd probably get the same experience out
of it. Um. I So I like the way they
make sweet But if you just hand me a sweet
potato that you've baked for the grocery store. Yeah, no,
I'm not gonna eat that. So what I'm saying that
because I want to clarify when I say I like
sweet potatoes, I like the stuff that you use to

(01:02:09):
hide the taste of the sweet potatoes. So you're a
big butter guy, Yeah, kind of like the same way
I enjoy coffee. It's like, yeah, it's it's coffee with
with a half pound of sugar in it. Right, So yeah,
my mom makes a sweet potato cast role that is
just that it has this crust on the top of
it that is like pecan and so much. It's like

(01:02:31):
a it's a dozen glazed donuts worth of sugar in
every bite serving. Yeah, and every bite it's just like
rock solid. But it's real good. Anyways, Jason, it's been
great being on a podcast with you again. Man, Where
can people find you? Follow you? I'm on the Crank Podcast,

(01:02:53):
not every single episode, but they're they're always good. The
the episodes that I'm not on, some would say actually
better than the ones I'm on. If you want to read,
if somebody wants to read my books, the novel that
made me put me on the map as an author
is to ninety nine this whole month, John Dyes. At

(01:03:14):
the end on Kendall is they've got it on sale,
and then there's sequels to it if you like that,
but they will all cost you more because that's how
we get you awesome. And is there a tweet that
you have been enjoying? Yeah? Really anything from the Joel

(01:03:35):
Dongstein Twitter account. Um, that is a Yeah. That is
a bot that takes televangelist Joel Ostein tweets. You know
he is famous pastor and it's simply the bot automatically
replaces the word God with the words your dick too

(01:03:56):
too strangely inspirational effect. So here's an example, and again
this is taking something Joel Ostein tweeted and then it
automatically posted this account as the real victory is not
when your dick does everything you want or takes away
every frustration. The real victory is when of those things happen,
but you are at peace. You know your dick is

(01:04:19):
still in control. Another example, sometimes we forget the good things.
We remember the hurts, the disappointments, the mistakes. But look
where you are now. If it had not been for
the goodness of your dick, you wouldn't be here, and
that I find those oddly inspiring every day. I don't

(01:04:43):
know why, but it's like, yeah, that's right, And so
every day it's some because you know, Joel Ostin, he's
got some intern tweeting out this general greeting card stuff.
But for some reason, when it becomes look, you need
to stop worrying about what other people want from you,
and you need to start worrying about what your dick wants,

(01:05:04):
it's like, yeah, that's right. I should. They have not
been sued yet. I don't know if this it's actually
if the Joel Ostein Corporation would be able to take
this down. I'm sure someday they will, but after right
now it's my favorite Twitter. See this is what Twitter
does well. Twitter bad for discussing politics for like two

(01:05:26):
sentence jokes. It's magic. Yes, yes, I'm getting a lot
of meaning out of this account. Actually, I mean it's so.
I mean the Bible in a way is just a
you know, ah inspirational book for toxic masculinity, especially if
you read it like this. There you go, miles, Where
can people find? You? Find me? On Twitter and Instagram
at miles of Gray and a tweet I like was

(01:05:49):
actually brought to my attention by one of the zeke Kang.
This one was from Robert Hernandez Jr. On Instagram. I
see you. You know, we were talking about flow states
yesterday and the Onion and posted something It's just a
guy on his couch just like housing a bunch of
pistachios and it says pistachio eating man achieves flow state

(01:06:10):
because yeah, you in a way man. Yeah, when you
get the rhythm going on those pistachios, you can vanish
into thin air. Uh. I like to tweet from Neil
Brennan where he said America downgraded from extremely racist two
very racist. Neil Brennan's funny dude. You can find me
on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brian. You can find us

(01:06:31):
on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist for at the Daily zeit
Geist on Instagram. We have Facebook fan page on a
website Daily I Guys dot com where we past our
episodes in our footsover we link off to the information
that we talked about in today's episode, as well as
the song we ride out on. You can also find
that information in the show notes right on h miles
What song are we going to write out on Oh man,

(01:06:52):
you know with legal Sniegel kind of having to pack
his bags, you know, farewell to you, my man. Yes,
Jeff Sessions, Sorry, it was just you don't it puts
us in a very weird space. We don't know what's
going on. And super producer Nick and I were talking
about dub music at lunch and we were just he
was talking about Scientists and he put us onto a
track for today. This is from the artist Scientists called

(01:07:15):
Taxi to Baltimore and it's y'all, look if you like
that dub, if you just need that deep head nod,
and you're be coming in all the three uh, strap
on your headphones for thirty seconds. Alright, we're gonna write
out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it
is a daily podcast. We'll talk to you, guess. Just

(01:08:01):
to leave. Got my sister Sandy and my little brother pray. Yeah, yeah,

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