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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, thirty nine,
Episode one of dir Daily ZiT Gist, a production of
I Heart Radio. This is the podcast where we take
a deep dive into America's share consciousness and say, officially,
off the top, fuck the Koch Brothers, fuck Fox News,

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fuck Rush Limbaugh, fuck fuck Sexton, and fuck j K Rowling. June.
My name is Jack O'Brien, a k A. No more,
Mr nice guy Miles Gray Jacob. On the Daily zeit Geist,

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we say fuck Trump. Hee's of c te ah. That
is courtesy of Washing damn hands, good good advice, and
I'm thrilled to be joined once again by my co
host Mr Old grap. So let's defund the cup. Even

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it didn't take all night, let's deepens over abolished them. Right, Okay,
thank you so much to the one and only at
Pink Politic Liverpool fan. You know, a shout out to
all Liverpool fans of Premier League started. My life is
a disaster since the Premier League started, but that's okay,

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shout out to people doing Okay, thank you for that,
a k A. I'm ready for the world. I did
see Arsenal trending and like I now get a pit
in my stomach when I see arsenal trending because I'm
damn like, it's just never good news. We're actually we
are a Simpson's bit, you know, like when Homer was
in the in the ambulance and then the hit hit

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a tree and he fell at the back of the ambulance,
and it felt that there was a meme made of
just since Wednesday, what's happened Our goalkeeper who was by
far one of our best players horrifically injured his knee
in the game that I saw live at seven in
the morning. I was like, I love you, like should
have been like that, and then immediately like why did
this even start? I didn't need this paint, but hey,

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people need distractions and I don't need this one. Well,
we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat,
all the way from the capital of the world. I
would say at this point the high point of civilization. Uh,
he is Mr. The talented, the hilarious Guy Montgomery. Oh

(02:36):
it's guy, do do do do? Back on the Daily's
like guys, oh whoa, whoa, yeah, that's right the Daily
Like that's I got submitted there because the last time
I did this. I think I just made one up
and it wasn't standard. Obviously I should have gone the

(03:00):
false day of my singing volume. Of course, because it
is six two a ms such as my first my
unquenchable appetite to discuss Amrian current events. But I would
like to say a huge thank you to Podge more
In for submitting that. I think I complained last time,

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and then they sit on and they said try this,
and I had it save and I really think I
hit a home run there. Yeah, I think I couldn't
agree with mail In that Yankee talk my man. Yeah no, yeah,
that's not even we were We were hit for six
on that one. Hey, that's that's cricket terminology. I actually

(03:41):
yesterday I went I had to go to a toy
store two days ago. I was on my way to
a fourth birthday party, and we went with my pocket
stop throwing it in our face that you can go
to a party where people congregate and then you went
to a store like it's February. So there is Actually
I am genuinely sorry about that. Did the care to
me that this would be so illicit? It's very boring Anyway.

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The long and Short of it is. I went back
to the toy store the next day by myself the
best way to shove at the toy store, and I
found a card game which is a test cricket card game,
which is like baseball and you can play it as
one player. Isn't that against You're like Solitaire? But yeah,
but a sports card game. I know, I'm the coolest.

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I'm the coolest student town. We're in what city in
New Zealand? Are you in? Auland Auckland, New Zealand? Alright? Best? Yeah,
best known for the hilarious full House episode where they
were going to Oakland but some of the kids accidentally
got on a flight to Auckland. That happened, And yeah,

(04:52):
I don't think they actually flew the kids to Auckland.
A full House way more methed than we thought. Man,
I don't remember that one. And I feel like they
are only like five seasons of Full House. There's only
three bits that every episode, so that it seems like
somewhat avant garde for the full House, like it's really

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pushing boundaries. They're counting on us to be like, oh no,
that they're watch They're gonna go to Auckland, New Zealand
and then they're gonna be in trouble. People like the
how do you spe why spell in Oakland? Like that
knowlledge that there's a country that's outside of the United
States seems do you know how ludicrous the impact of

(05:37):
American media is that even now, when I watched television
programs from any era or any moment or movies, as
soon as the characters said to each other, you know,
they're always like, what are we gonna do? Run away
to New Zealand? I should go. I still will high
five whether I'm sitting with nobody, like, yeah, they know
we're out here. It's like, it's insane. Put you guys

(06:01):
on the map, well speaking, Yeah, you're a welcome guy.
You're welcome. I do want to say it's rare that
I get to see like the season's change in any way.
But I do notice that it's getting darker over the

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course of having you on the show. Over Quarantine. It's
now it used to be like sort of hazy, dusky
morning glow in the background, and now it is pitch dark.
But you know, Jack the second by the time we end, though,
it always looks different. Remember what guy looks like now?
Because like the sun's about to set and I'm always

(06:42):
like then i feel like I'm getting out of a
bar from like morning drinking and I'm like it's light out, man,
surfing around and stuff. Yeah, by the Yeah, can I
just say fellas lovely to see you, yeah, and know
my best wishes. I honestly, I was so excited when

(07:05):
I saw you that you were going to be on
this show, Like when I looked about a week ago,
because I was just reading all about New Zealand and
how you know there was a full on rugby match
every because you guys did the right thing listen to experts.
Granted it's a much smaller country, but it was very
heartening to see an example of like, yeah, listen to
the experts and then we could very quickly go. But

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if you just will tell you how to get there,
let's just do that. And I was like, man, this
kind of feels so good in New Zealand right now
to just like come out and just hug people and
screaming each each other's faces like there's no pandemic going on. Well, yeah,
that was one of the big things we did, is
that we we followed the rules and uh and now
we we sort of road free. Yeah, I mean we

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our government employees people called scientists. And these guys, now,
these scientists, it's their job to do all the work,
um like from Star Trek scientists. Yeah, zealand Yeah. While
the scientists will see it, here's what we're gonna do.
And then and then the scientist see it's good to go, scientists.

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You guys are going to look into this game game changes.
Get into this science thing. Guys, get into that. Um
all right, guy, we're gonna get to know you a
little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell
our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We
of course have to talk about the Tulsa rally, the

(08:42):
big Trump Maga rally. That wasn't a big Trump Maga rally. Really,
it was like a small little gathering. We're gonna talk
about who was responsible for there being not such a
massive rally this time around. I think they were expecting.
They said the lowest estimate heading into the Magarelli with

(09:03):
sixty thousand people. They claimed that there were a million
requests to reserve tickets. Uh, and they had six thousand people,
which is you'll notice far lower than that, so we'll
talk about that. We'll talk about just the general state
of there are unsolved lynch ings happening in America. The

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police are very petulant going around harassing just communities of people.
H We're gonna talk about fireworks also for some reason,
because I don't know, I think it all ties in
together about how we're feeling. Um, we'll talk about Columbus.
We might change the name of Columbus, Ohio. Uh and

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we'll talk about we might get to a Trump movie
that is premiering at con uh CO starring Stormy Daniels,
and scientology using COVID nineteen to recruit people, all of
that plenty more. But first, guy, we like task our guests,
what is something from your search history that is revealing
about who you are? I've looked at why is t

(10:10):
Rex the most famous dinosaur? Mm hmmm do you guys
does that even? Do you ever think about that? I
didn't put it together until I had read Oedipus Rex
and then I was like, Oh, that's what a rex means.
And then I don't know. Do people just get lazy
because like they just like like a bout of them,
like monarchical structures or something. I guess from what I

(10:34):
could tip from my limited research, because I was looking
at dinosaur names to try and add, to learn how
to spell them or to challenge other people to spell them,
and I It's widely regarded as the most famous dinosaur.
This is partly because it was the very first large
kind of a dinosaur to be discovered, and it was

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long believed to have been the largest that ever lived.
Another fact was that it was probably the fascest meet
each it that even lived in. Another reason is because
possibly it was discovered in North America, and it's North
American heritage may explain its position as the world's most
famous dinosaur because you guys love crowing on about how
you how you find dinosaurs and how great everything is. Yeah. Well,

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and also, like you know, the American Empire is much
more than the borders of the country, Like we make
all we were making nearly all the entertainment at one point,
so like we got everybody on this diet of like yeah, man,
like fucking America, there's something up over there. We just have.
We just have amazing PR you do. You've got a
great PR machine, although I will say the wheels do

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you appear to be coming off slowly presently. They're loose,
They're loose. Yeah, what's the view? What's the view from
down there? Mate? Honestly, I watched the news in America.
It looks like I imagine the country is at a
point when what would traditionally happen when a country whips
itself up and to this kind of state, is that

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America would say do you know what you guys need? Military? Yeah? Yeah,
it is. Is the coverage ever, like from the news
like in New Zealand sort of saying things like, you know,
because of America's rampant, unchecked racism, this is like a
thing like what's the sort of presentation of the unrest

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from you know, the perspective Zealand. It's it's hard to say,
because news you get, you guys get some you know,
you get a bit of coverage. But the news outlets
from which I'm I'm getting my information a global or
often they remain American because they seemed to be keyton
most of what's happening. The coverage is sort of like

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my read on the coverage is sort of like, oh boy,
I can't believe I left America in December twenty nine
talk about a stroke of luck. That's sort of my
spin on the coverage right right right, because you know,
I came back into if anything that was happening, and
my friends would say, wow, is it tough? Do you
do you regret it? And I say, do I regret

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leaving New York City in dece in between nineteen? I say, no,
that's what I say. The other thing that was cool
to see was, you know, in all over the country
or all over the world, there were countries having their
own marches for like in solidarity of black lives and
things like that. And I was very, very touching to

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see in New Zealand those happening. What is like, what's
sort of the thing that motivates you know? I think
every country has an aspect of dealing with some kind
of racism or whatever that essentially people were connecting to
it at any point. It wasn't just about narrowly this,
but I think a lot of people felt connected of
this feeling of you know, oppression, colonization and things like that, slavery.

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Is there something like you know, put me onto sort
of like what the temperature is in New Zealand that
you know, obviously because you guys have your heads on
straight as people, like what else was kind of motivating
people to go out there, And so already the marches
initially were in sort of just total solidarity. There was
a big from the organizers specifically, there was a concerned

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effort to not shift focus or kind of um use
it as a pivot point into local you know, local oppression.
But um there is also there's like there's a there's
a growing black community in New Zealand. And then also
traditionally they're like, I mean we we suffered from many
of the same problems on a much smaller scale in

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terms of systemic oppression and a police force that you know,
disproportionately incarceraates pacifica and indigenous like Malti people in New Zealand.
And so I think middle New Zealand and sort of
you know that we don't really have these poles in
the way that America does politically, but middle to right

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skewing New Zealand, I think we have this very we're
quite proud of this laqueer daysic called like she'll be right,
aren't we lucky We're here and not there sort of approach.
And then beneath that, there's an undercarrent of people saying, well,
it's very well for you to say that from inside
of the status quo, but this is not working for everyone.
And so I think it's just it's very clear even
from here that this is a moment in history, and

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it's sort of like, you know, if you ever wondered
what you'd be doing when the worm turned, it's pretty
much what you're doing right now. And so I think
also because the um I mean yeah, I think also
because of relationship to COVID nineteen and how we sort
of have given it a bit of a spanking people

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quite excitedly and confidently we're like, well, what better way
to fucking get out in the streets than, you know,
a fantastic cause. Like on Sunday Sunday two weeks ago
that I went to the March Black Lives March and
then which would have been about six thousand people, and
then to a sports game with forty five thousand people,
and I thought, gee, was aren't we living? Yeah? Yeah, man,

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that's why they even think that news The land March
for Black Lives drew nearly as many people as you know,
KKK Palooza and Tulsa. There was a big, big goal.
We all sort of had an email going around. We said, listen,
le get more people than Trump and Tulsa. Were you
with the K pop fans and the um of course

(16:21):
on tech tark you guys that was That was a
separate but equally important email thread. I sort of spearheaded
both of the threads. Us I used that traditional chainmail
approach where I say, for this to tend people or
your crash work't like you back, And you'd be surprised
how that mobilizes people, how effective that still is df

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to come through on the internet. Man, what is the guy?
What's something you think is underrated? Well, of course I
think it's the I don't even know how to say
this dinosaur, but it's the comps compsog Nathans. It said,
it's even it's going about two weeks. But this is
a little dinosaur's the size of a turkey. But it's
got that beautiful those beautiful raptiles. Yeah that we know

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and loves. Yeah, they were the Yeah, they had their
shine in that. That's what the second Jurassic Park movie
I think, Yeah, but they were in the first book
and in fact or in the book and they killed
the main bad the main big bad John what's his name? Yeah,
but the guy who built the park, he got John Hammond,

(17:29):
John Hammond. He got eaten by the copies in the
first book, and then in the second book he's back. Well,
I don't know, he's back in the I mean, the
movie just didn't him. And then he's back in Lost
World for some reason. Why not? I just think these
are these are great sixty little dinosaurs. You know, everyone's

(17:52):
going on about the big old t rix. What about
we give the copies to me a time? Huh? Yeah,
what was your first interaction with a compy guy that
led you down this road? Probably dressed it part, But again,
as I've just had my head in the dinosaur world lately,
and I came across these guys and I saw a
picture of them without scale, and I thought, how big

(18:14):
is that? And I saw a picture of it with scale.
It was next to a mouse, and I was like,
that's pretty small. I just I just I like it
when um, you know, this is why we like puppies
and kittens like I like it when the scale was small.
That's cool, that's fine, that's cool. Have you seen that

(18:36):
puppy right those Thus it's like a tiny dog, but
it'll it'll grow. I'm just looking at the Latin broken
down compsos meaning elegant or dainty. Come south meathis dainty
jar elegant jar. I like that great jaw line on

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on the compy that can't be a wow chisel jaw
line on that signed at Willelmino Models signed this compy.
After all, this is ever. I can't wait to walk
into a plastic surgery and say, give me a jewel
line like a compy. When you just scale this operation down,
you're like the new that one woman who's the catwoman

(19:17):
that a European woman has. Then yeah, guy just becomes
comp Usa. Guy. What's something you think is overrated? I
think I might know where we're going here? Well, what
do you think? What do you think? I think is
I've already I don't know we're here. We're just here
to be in all of you guys, So you just
tell us. Man, Now, I think, um, I think that

(19:39):
I think President Cheeta is actually a little bit overrated.
That's what I call him. I think I think he's Yeah,
I've seen it on the podcast for Ours said again,
this guy, you're gonna get him out of you. But
I did put the boot in because he looks like
this guy looks like a freaking cheeta. So true, man,

(20:01):
so true. That's all we got. That's where we're at. Yeah. Yeah,
I was gonna say before when you're saying, we're gonna
get into a little bit of why the Trump was
so poorly attended, It's got to be because of all
those late night talk show hosts who simply won't stop
lacerating this guy with side right, I mean, Colbert, can

(20:29):
he say that? Sorry, As a quick question, I'm just
curious you were saying, how like polling is different in
New Zealand or whatever. It's not like America's addicted to
the polls because it's like this horse race thing like
with Jacinda, Like your prime minister is pulling something that
comes out regularly about the prime minister's performance. And I'm

(20:51):
curious if, like by comparison, everyone's like we have the
smartest leader on Earth in our country. I think it's
doesn't come out with the same frequency or intensity like
we don't. We don't treat it with quite the same
level of spectacle. But yeah, her approval ratings are absolutely

(21:11):
soaring right now. And the the opposition, who are NETO
called the National Party, they hit such a deep slump.
This is an election. Yet we've got an election. I
say it's about ninety days away now. They hit such
a big slump that the leader of the opposition got
rolled by this guy. There was a guy called Simon Bridges,
who is this pagnacious guy whose whole tech was hed

(21:34):
come on and he'd say, um, like in the middle
of the most phenomenal global response to COVID nineteen, and
he keeps going on the news and saying we're caking it,
we're sucking it. And he almost like no, just just
like I know it might not feel good, but you
just say well done, and then you know, hope it
stay down the line. And anyway, everyone got piste off.

(21:56):
And so then this guy who's called Todd Muller, who
just is the least inspiring thumb of a man, he
somehow got in. And yeah, I mean it's you know,
we we create our own little narratives and we have
a fun with our political system. But it's it all. See.
I mean, you know, I don't want to be complacent,
but we seem to be quite well positioned at the

(22:19):
next election for the ones that I like to win.
And I think, yeah, everyone in the US just has
like we just like are like shipping ourselves in a
relationship with New Zealand in a way where like, god, man,
what the funk? Like Like I have dreams about being
like president just Cinder and I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes.

(22:42):
Quite a funny movement coming out of the UK where
it was like they were trying to the Clear War
and immediately surrend It was a pledge me or something.
They're like the Clear War and immediately surrender to New Zealand,
which would mean that they see governmental control to our government.
Oh that would be amazing, I I would be, But
I don't know that they went a hid with it. Finally,

(23:05):
what does it mean? What's something people think is true,
you know, to be false or vice versa. Well, from
what I understand, people often think that the city of
Athens was named such due to you know, various different
historical figures deciding that this is what we're going to
call it, and scribes writing it down. What a lot

(23:25):
of them might be shocked to here is the naming
of Athens in the Great ways of ts Eliot Andrew
Lloyd Webber is a curious matter. This isn't just one
of your holiday games now. Pretty much there was just
a competent. There was a competition between Athena and Poseidon,

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and um, they were like, all right, one, you're gonna
name it after one of us. And the people were like, okay,
they were they were pretty obliging. And what what What
happened was that Poseidon showed up and this guy is
the king of the sea. He loves to see and
he he struck a rock with his trident and all

(24:07):
this water gashed forth, and the big advertisement was meant
to be if you guys worried about it drought, well
you don't go to worry about that anybody. Yeah, yeah, well,
And that's actually what sort of came back to nipping
on the ass, is that everyone was like, dude, all
this water is super salty. And he didn't really say anything.

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And then Athena she struck her spear on the ground
and a bloody, beautiful little olive tree cropped up, and
the citizens were like, man, olive trees. We got food,
we've got oil, we got wood, and and then they're like,
we're going to call our city Athens and then historians said, yeah,

(24:49):
we are deal. So I just wanted to clear that up.
A lot of people are, Yeah, that that's one that
I think we busted way back in my time. Cracked,
but that's a that's a common misconception. Um, wow, alright,
do what little we can Jack. Yeah, I just feel

(25:09):
so foolish for even like clinging to the words of
or herodotus at this point. Yeah, that'd be too hot
in yourself. All right, guys, let's take a quick break
and we'll come back and talk about the Tulsa rally

(25:34):
and we're back. Uh. And the news media for most
of the last week was really looking forward to this
Tulsa rally that Trump was going to stage. I was
very controversial because so many people were going to show up,
and his followers tend to think science as a myth,
not not be on board with those scientists that guys

(25:57):
country uh loves so much. Just let's tell them what
to do. Uh. So Yeah, that that was kind of
the way the story was being covered heading into basically
the moment the rallies started and the media looked around
and they were like, there's only like six thousand people here,

(26:20):
six thousand, two hundred showed up to be exact. Um,
and the worst case scenario coming in according to you
know estimates heading in was sixty thousand. Uh. They had
been bragging that a million people were inquiring or registering
to show up, and people immediately, you know, Fox News,

(26:42):
I think, is immediately jumped on the fact that some
teenagers on TikTok and some uh K pop stands were
saying that they had registered uh and then not attended
the event, which was you know, real switcheroo and unfair,

(27:04):
not fair, and they're they're claiming that, but when you
take into account that there were unlimited tickets. They it
wasn't like they were buying seats and then not attending
those seats. It was an unlimited amount of people could
register and show up, and they had it planned that

(27:24):
the overflow crowd would be outside and Trump and Pence
would address them afterwards. But they didn't even have enough
to fill the inside. The outside was completely empty and
they had to cancel that second appearance. UM. So it
was just all around not not a good look for Trump.

(27:47):
Oh and Brad par Scale, you know, I don't know
how long he'll be campaign manager, because all the reports
were like when Trump realized how scant the crowd was,
like he lost it and knew he was pissed because
there's that video clip of him coming back to the
White House and Marine one on the helicopter and his
ties undone, and he's like he's like hanging his head

(28:10):
walking back like that, Like no one came to his
racist prom party at all, even though so many people
are VP moment, no one showed up that even the
way par Scale explains it is so bizarre. It's because
it's almost like he's almost saying, like, don't give credit
to the K pop people for sucking this up, like
we just no one just people don't funk with the president.

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That's how it sounds, because he says left dissent. This
is a quote from Brad Carr's part. Leftists and online
trolls doing a victory lap thinking they somehow impacted rally
intendants don't know what they're talking about, or how are
rallies work. Reporters who wrote gleefully about TikTok and K
pop fans without contacting the campaign for comment, but have
unprofessionally and we're willing dupes to the charade, and he

(28:51):
goes on too, basically saying like even though people R
s v P, they know how to get the bogus
numbers out and they knew, like we we had the
right calculations. So if that's the case, then you have
to own now that your own people don't support you,
if it's not like it wasn't because of that. Yeah,

(29:12):
and the pride to be like no, no, the calculations
are good, like what does what does lift to grab
onto at this point? Nothing? And it's gotta suck. Because
there were people on like one American News who were
like like hyper ventilating to the camera because they knew
Trump would watch this, Like you know, they said that
there was probably only six thousand people in there, and

(29:35):
I like myself, other people we were we were eyewitnesses
in the building. I mean there was the full half
of the stadium was there. So if it's and holds
and there was a full half, then it can't just
be six thousand. Is a WHOA why are you miss?
Why are you breathing so hard like this? Because you know,

(29:57):
like you have to go out there and just pretend
like that that the brand that you know the brand
of white supremacy isn't doing too good right now. I
think that's another thing people should look at because a
lot of people, I think on progressives were like, okay,
so if progressives got out in the street and people
willing to stand in solidarity for equality took the streets
like this over the last couple of weeks, we're like, well, well,

(30:19):
I guess we'll see what kind of racist, you know,
cracking emerges from Tulsa. And you've got six thousand people
and a lot of people, even themselves kind of saying like,
I don't know correct, Like even on Fox News they're like,
who thought it was a good idea to have twenty
thousand people with masks optional and enclosed space? It was
weird how Fox turned on him today. I think it
looks like the answer to that question is roughly six

(30:41):
thousand people within driving Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to
see how this effects. Like it obviously hurts his feelings,
but he's a you know, a narcissist who takes all
of his self worth from outside indicators. So and actually
he'll just be able to, you know, suck the oxygen

(31:03):
out of the room enough to puff himself back up.
But there is a thing that you noticed throughout the
seen and then throughout his presidency, the campaign and his
presidency where this was sort of a cool meme among
kind of racist people, where like showing up to Trump

(31:26):
rallies like there was you know, you heard it described
as like being like a rock concert, like everybody shows up.
There were in T shirts, They're lined up hours in advance,
they're meeting other fans, and so like seeing that sort
of pierced a little bit at the same time that yes,
a white supremacy is is having just a rough day

(31:49):
in the media these past couple of weeks. I do
wonder if that's going to compound on itself or if
there will be some sort of like you know, backlash
to the It does seem to be for for Trump
that as we call him here at the Zog President Cheetah.
It does seem to be a bit of that. A

(32:11):
difficult second album about the whole legion. Yeah, it's tough. Also,
the fear always right is that he's so good at
whipping his fans into a frenzy that you know this
the spin on this is like now more than ever,
we need you guys to mobilize and energize and and

(32:32):
make some noise. I mean, it's like, you know, this
is exactly it's it's the fear that I you know,
I imagine is that this can lead to some version
of complacency amongst Democratic voters, Like you know, the entire
campaign that's been wheeled out as the alternative is not
this is what you want, it's you don't want the

(32:54):
other thing. And you know, this sort of public humility icean,
especially this far out from the election, is the sort
of thing that can take seed and lead to well,
you know, I'm just predicting, but some sort of complacency
or over confidence or just not good things to be
carrying towards the election. It is funny, it is. It

(33:16):
is also very funny though, because I'm I don't know
if you guys have this, but I'm against the guy. Yeah,
I mean, he's gonna have to He's gonna have to
come out with new hits, like you're saying, uh, you know,
the first album, MAGA Volume one, we had things like
lock her Up, build that Wall, U s a UM
and people can only sing the same hits over and

(33:38):
over at these shows before, like yo, where's the new ship. Uh.
The only thing I heard that was kind of cool
was Ronna Romney mcgath, the head of the r NC.
She was she called a Biden's campaign Biden's seek, and
I was like, hey, that was clever. But you know, again,
if if you really think that these elections are one
just on these wittic systems, then we have I mean,

(34:00):
we already have a problem, but we have additional problems
in this country. And on top of that, Trump's you know,
Biden outraised Trump by six million I think this last month.
So there's in the in the end. You know, what's
clear is that just just in your face racism from
seventeen is a huge risk in now, whether that's you know,

(34:23):
going out there and just being like oh man, now
knowing like how this is framed, Like now I've ran up.
If you're somewhat if you were I don't know somehow
a reasonable Trump supporter, you'd be like, I think I've
run out of ways to say I'm not racist by
being here. Yeah, I mean it is that are going down,
So like that. That's the thing is we see there
are these supporters that we see who are allowed and

(34:46):
like storming their stay capital without masks and automatic weapons,
and like that's who we picture as all Trump supporters.
But you know, he is bleeding you know, support in
a in a small way, so there there must be.
And also the low point, like what you know, people
talk about him kind of saying racist things that get

(35:10):
him pushback or misogynist things that get pushed back in
the media, and then his pulling numbers go up. But
the low point of his approval rating in his presidency
was after Charlottesville, so like after he said the both
sides things. So it does seem like there's a limit
to that that like being openly uh you know, courting

(35:34):
white supremacists, like open white supremacists, does seem to be
at least a possibly unpopular or less popular than his
sort of polite racism. I think the other thing, too,
is there's nothing that will have a white racist person
reconsider their racism than another white person telling them that

(35:58):
their racism is bullshit, because it's easy to ignore, you know,
non a non white person telling you. But I think
a lot of people, like we've been saying, if you
the first step of beginning this work towards any kind
of just world is to a let your values be
known to other people, because now if you were racist

(36:19):
and you thought everybody was quiet because you felt the
same way, and now you see the streets filled up
with people that look like you, who are just with
signs saying but like, you're gonna begin guessing or at
least some people might take a second to think about it.
But I think that's what's very powerful too, is I
feel like there are a decent amount of people I've
seen two who are kind of also trying to take
a harder line within the spaces they are in as

(36:41):
well to not you know, abide by any kind of
racism or white supremacy. Absolutely, it's the it's the um Yeah,
I mean, you gotta. It's just it can be challenging
to know because of the spices we occupy online or
even amongst a closed circle of friends. I'm imagining, Uh,
it is limited it to that the fear that we

(37:02):
exist purely and you know, like I remember the last
election on Twitter, even when bricks had happened before, because
that was like the bricks even before Trump got elected,
right yeah, And I remember seeing that and being like, well,
I didn't see that coming according to the you know,
two thousand people I follow on Twitter or whatever, well,

(37:22):
you know, who thought that they weren't representative of the world.
And so but certainly within the communities that I've noticed,
there is a real assertion of um correction and sort
of you know that the impact of what's happening globally
is taking taking hold locally, which is you know, that's

(37:43):
why we've got the march. Here's why people are talking
to their families here. Even though the conversation is different here,
it's like, you know, the impact of that is reaching
further afield, which is cool. Yeah. The one thing I think,
could you know, I'm not now this is another thing
that factored into it. I think COVID does have a
big thing, probably played a big part of it, because

(38:04):
I'm sure there are people who are racist but also
fear COVID nineteen and we're kind of like, yeah, as
much as I want to act like yeah, fuck it,
I'll get COVID. I think only six thousand people were
really truly willing to go that far because on some level,
because I don't think I'm not just gonna say, you know,
racim has become so unfashionable. Look at the rallies. I
think there's definitely a group of people to who are

(38:26):
you know, they are not willing to put their own
safety at risk ever, so they'd rather be you know,
racist from the safety of their own home. Scientists the right.
But then so even like when you look at Florida,
right the Republican National Convention. You know, there's talks about
having it in Jacksonville because Rhonda Santis the governor. There's

(38:47):
like COVID what and I don't know what that, Yeah,
do whatever you want, come on down. But even when
you look at there are some polls that came out
from people in Jacksonville, and by like a ten point margin,
even the voters in Jacksonville did not want a convention
there because of the people they pulled were concerned about
a virus outbreak. Even though like they're clearly based on

(39:09):
the polling before about how favorable Donald Trump was, like
it was, you know, forty one in favor against so
it's you know, pretty split. But even on these things
when it came down to like the virus, it was
you were seeing these majorities kind of you know, uh,
bear out into the in the poll numbers. But there's
got to be a part of if if somebody is saying, Okay,

(39:31):
I still support Trump because racism, misogyny like those are
He's my guy. But then you also are seeing that
he's telling you it's okay to come out to this rally,
but you are afraid enough of the virus to know
that's not true. Like doesn't that have to undercut some
of their support, like their belief that this person is

(39:53):
like a good leader, Like I just feel like there's
not about but it's not about let's say, I think
it's not about lead or ship, Like these people are
completely untethered from the concept of what a leader is.
They just like the TV show where a white man
is as cruel as possible to people that don't look
like him or believe what he believes. That's what they're
in for, like this show, because any person who has

(40:15):
half a brain about how legislation works would probably be
really concerned with half the stuff that's going on. I mean,
I feel like the government now is just playing this
game with the people of saying like I wonder how
long do they realize we don't even give a funk
about the Constitution, but we'll let them sweat it out
and pretend like it's a thing that because behind the
scenes we're out here violating that you know what we

(40:35):
call it just you know, might as well be a
rolling paper. Yeah, I think the mental gymnastics is required
to support this party in any respect. It's so it's
so great. I think people aren't worried or even considering
the contradictions that is required for them to plead his
support or go out like, you know, these are the
mental gymnastics. Means that we've got some mentally agile, although

(40:59):
all bit in the wrong wise, people like, yeah, well,
I think because in and of itself right, the idea
of to be racist to hold those values, and it's
so absurd to begin with that, the results are gonna
only be absurd as people have to begin like be
pulled out of it because it's already absurd, the reasoning

(41:19):
to stay in it will be just as equally as absurd. Mhm,
there's not There's not anyone gonna be is like, I'm
racist because it's good for the environment, and I can
point to it like no one, no one has reasoning
like that. It's just that I just think that's just
the way it is. And you know, like white people
built the world. And also, I'm not going to acknowledge
that there wrote a racist history that was force fed
into my brain as a child. So I only know

(41:40):
the world through this perspective of white men. But that's
what I believe, and that's that and other these people
are unequal to me because I I don't know, because
that's what I've been told. There's donna say an equal
fiction with those people who say no, like you know
that I'm not They say, I'm not racist. This is
just what I think, which is it's seems to be
a dividing point now amongst you know, acknowledgement that implicit

(42:04):
racism exists in all of us because of the structures
in which you know, the world operates and the way
that we're brought up in the fact that we're all
deprogramming and like dismantling this inherently racist system. And so
the true racists are the ones who now say, no,
I'm not racist. It's just that this is how it is.
And you know, like the ability to acknowledge racism within

(42:25):
yourself as a step towards trying to to heal it,
I guess. And then you do have these freaky fections
of people who are proudly racist. Yeah, but then I
think even those people who want to be intellectual about it,
it's if they're those people are probably already trying to
operate in spaces where there are more reasonable people. And
then when someone would say that to me, I'm like, Okay,
well I don't care what you think. That's racist, and

(42:46):
I get the funk out of my face. Well I'll
let me. I'm like, no, it's not a debate. And
I think that's what's interesting now is like we're trying
to be a little more you know, uh, objective, even
with the language we use when we talk about like
whether it's talking about comedians and like young women versus
a child, you know what I mean, if someone is
not an adult, they are a child. But we use

(43:08):
these modifiers like we need to be a little more objective.
Let's let's call it what it is. And before it's
very easy for people to be like, well, you know,
that is just sort of what I'm looking at based
on the data that this is why these people behave
like this and like now, rather than saying like racially
charged remarks, people need to be moving towards things of
just being like, no racist, and it doesn't matter what
their defense is, because we have to sort of stand

(43:30):
together as the you know, reasonable community of people and say, no,
that's that's racism and no matter. You can tell your
own audience so they can convince themselves, but we will
not be tricked by that. And I think that's what
we also have to do is not allow you know,
that kind of disingenuous discourse to happen in our presence either.
Did you see the video of christal Leo on a
podcast finding out that you can save Snapchat? Oh my god,

(43:54):
it's the whole thing is so dark, it is so
it is so crazy now because of podcasting and the
fact that people are videoing their podcasts, just like the
Mountain of evidence, the paper trayal that these fucking like
these pedophiles and essence or not even an essance leaving
behind you know, who would have who would have thought

(44:17):
you'd get to literally watch him reckon with his actions
and then also how long ago was that have no
material impact on how he behaves sociopath It's for people
who don't know. It's like a podcast where they're talking
about somebody getting caught. Because I think It was a teacher,

(44:38):
a woman teacher who had a relationship with a child,
and she was sending Snapchat messages to the child, and
the child the child's mom found them and you see Crystal.
He's like, yeah, yeah, man, that's my star. And you
can tell like he's not really like thinking about what
they're talking about because something else is going on, like

(44:59):
the wheels are learning. And then he's like wait, wait
wait so so so hold on, hold on so snapchat though,
Like how do they even find that because Snapchat like
it disappears right because the kids can do it, they'll know,
they'll use screen record and then that's how they'll capture it. Oh,
it's and then just like you just see his career

(45:19):
flash before his eyes. It's wild. Uh, let's take a
quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back,
and let's talk about Columbus, Ohio, hometown of the great

(45:44):
Cody Johnston of Ohio State University, three hours from place
I grew up. And uh, named after Christopher Columbus, the director,
not the director of Goods, which is what I thought
growing up. I was like, Oh, named after um, that

(46:07):
guy the lead singer of Genocidal tendencies. No, the great
explorer Christopher Columbus. Yes, yes, that's what I meant. That
was flippant. Yeah, they're I mean it's interesting. You know. Again,
the anti colonies, anti colonizer slaver wave continues. The Teddy

(46:27):
Roosevelt's White Man on Top statue is going to be
taken down outside of the Natural History Museum, which is
you know, again, depending on what side of whether or
not you like racism, you'll have an opinion on that.
But the statue itself, I remember seeing it was like, wait,
it's a like a indigenous person and a black person
on either side of the horse, and he's a okay,
well that's an interesting message. So that statue has a

(46:50):
planned retirement. And then even like the ice cream, the
Eskimo Pie will no longer be branded as such. I
think Dryers is the parent company. They're doing away with that.
And if you want like a Sports Center style recap
of white supremacy in full panic, just watch Fox News
because like they almost kick off like every hour with
like an Eskimo Pie. Now it's like they have like

(47:11):
this like weird they always tune in with what what
fucking company woke up today? I guess, uh sort of guffying, um,
and now you know, Columbus, it's their turn for the
woke armies of Satan to put their attention upon this name.
But I think it's it's hard to say, like you're
gonna just completely rename a city because it's the fucking capital.

(47:33):
It's like the largest city in the state. There's a
lot of signs are gonna have to come down. Um.
But there is a petition right now to have the
city renamed after a true son of Columbus, Guy Fieri,
but changed their name to Flavor Town. And I obviously

(47:55):
that's a good call. I think for now. It's funny
if it gets over the last right now, because you know,
I mean, it's good marketing, isn't it. Everyone's gonna want
to go to Flavor Town. And then what say it
holds if it's a place att of it somehow? You know,
sometimes people name these interim things and then they don't

(48:17):
get around to getting changed. Fifties, sixties, seventy eighty years
from now, you know, a whole new generation we'll get
to learn. But this place is called Flavor Town of
the great Guy Fieri, right, Yeah, absolutely, I don't know.
I mean the again, this is the thing that we
were talking about even last week when there were talks

(48:38):
of like what do you do with Nathaniel Bedford forests,
you know, statue in the Tennessee capital, Like do you
put up You're like Dolly Parton because that's a Tennessee
and being you're proud of. But honestly, I think if
you're gonna be corrective, you need to put up representations
of the antithesis of what that former offensive form stood for.

(48:58):
So if you have someone that is a colonizer, then
you have to you need to actually set that balance
off by now enshrining somebody who is about liberation um
and things like that. I think just as a one
to one because it could be easy to just be like, yeah,
that would be fun, let's just replace it with something meaningless.
But I think just for the the ability for a
dominant culture to enshrine some of their worst people. Uh,

(49:21):
and we're trying to actually have some kind of sea change,
then do the right thing and actually let's celebrate people
that are we're doing that, we're doing the things that
are getting us towards the future we're trying to envision.
I would suggest naming it after a Native American word,
but that there's no American towns named after a Native
American word, so that would be just all of them,

(49:45):
like so many of them. Yeah, I would, I would agree,
was there what what's the plan for the statutes? Are
they gonna get melted down? Like the things I I
would wonder about, is is there a place for you know,
education through the horrors of the people who have been
deified and put up in these statues. Is it worth
creating essentially a you know, a museum of horrors where

(50:08):
you essentially advertise them with plaques which actually detail what
they did instead of sort of you know, like, is
there a revision assistory version of it where we say,
these are the statues, this is what they actually like,
here's what they represent. It is is what they actually
did instead of just trying to sort of sid this
a ranger approach of saying no, no, no, everything's been
hunky dory here since dot one. I mean, how do

(50:30):
you how do you actually you know, what's the proper
course correction in terms of re educating ourselves and future
generations on this stuff. I think that's sort of the
you know, long term discussion about you know, clearly right
now what the last few weeks have established that there
is an appetite for some level of equilibrium on some
whether that's you know, I think for people like us,

(50:52):
we're talking about full on you know, revamping, dismantling of
these these systems of oppression. That's the only way I
think that's the only way we can truly move towards
any semblance of equality. But again, this is a a
slow moving machine, um, And I think those steps are
gonna have They're gonna take they're gonna take time, but

(51:14):
we have to keep the pressure on. And essentially, yes,
there is going to have to be some kind of
like truth and Reconciliation committee something where America as a whole,
like through our educations like that we are officially taking
the time to like be like, we really need to
sit down with what happened before you were born, you know,
and remember what the momentum was your life carried into

(51:37):
this moment because it's off the it's off the back
of a lot of blood, um, And we were just
we just did a really good job of doing the
thing of like well that's not actually, yes, I think
my parents sucks but I don't want to think about
it because it's my parents, you know, and they gave
me life or whatever. But sometimes you have to be like, yo,
this this parent is a straight up piece of shit. Um,

(52:00):
but it's okay because I'm not a piece of ship,
and all I can do is at the very least
acknowledge what a piece of ship looks like. So we
no longer have more pieces of ship out here running things. Yeah.
I do really like the idea. I mean, all all
of the really rich, fascinating cultures and uh intricate histories

(52:24):
that were just completely wiped out by these assholes. Uh
Like there there's you could fill all every square foot
of America with testaments to that stuff, and that is
way more interesting than the version of history that they
give kids currently. Um oh yeah, I mean like it's
almost like you could do a series and maybe we

(52:47):
should not include this, but I honestly think if you
did a podcast that was about your city and it
was a true crime podcast of how fucked your city
has been that you don't know about, people would just
have their minds blown. And people didn't know that like
in Pasadena, like black people couldn't like own property there
to like the sixties, you know what I mean, and
that people look at Pasadena now like, oh, it's so

(53:09):
many like liberal, you know, white people. But again we
have to remember like what liberal means versus like progressive
or leftist or someone who was actually fighting for equality,
because liberal just means like you're willing to stomach a
certain level of white supremacy until a point. Well, guys,
let's talk about Scientology. Let's let's just switch switch tracks. Um,

(53:30):
not really. So Scientology has been using, uh, the pandemic
to recruit people. They've been giving out like in a
really like kind of subtle way that suggests to me
that they are bad at recruiting people because they're like
in some cases they're handing out just pamphlets that are

(53:52):
actual informational pamphlets about COVID nineteen that look almost exactly
like the government issued booklet. This is actually in New Zealand. Guy. Oh, well,
on the back there was a QR code that leads
to the Church of Scientology website, which sounds like a
very convoluted way of getting people to go to show

(54:13):
up at your website and feel tricked at being there. Um,
But they were kind of flooding different restaurants and retailers
in New Zealand, all those places that you are allowed
to go that are but a distant memory for us.
The timing of the release of these pamphlets is a

(54:36):
touch off. When curiosity about how to kick ourselves against
COVID nineteen, it would be fit to say it's probably
tapering off, all right, you know, to read the whole
booklet and then scan the q I code thinking I
need more. Can you imagine? I don't think I've ever
they see a single visit from that. I've never scanned

(54:59):
a sucking QR code unless it was for something like
I had to do in that moment to connect some
piece of hardware to another thing. I've never been like, damn,
that was a good fucking soda. Hold on, let me
scan this QR code on the back real quick because
I must know more q I. I thought they were
total right off, but QR codes have become very huge,

(55:20):
like especially because we had these phases of lockdown and
when we east into Level two, which mean that we
were allowed to return to cafes and restaurants. The contact
tracing in New Zealand, in the everywhere you went, every
business head to have a QR code that you'd scanned
and you'd log many. Yeah, it's known to the media.
It's just it's just literally so there's a data working database.

(55:42):
But I was blown away. I thought that these things
were done. But QR codes really to the four so
good on scientology for piggybacking on the movement, I guess
I like time in many respects as well. I jumped
to the assumption like, oh, the QR code is to
show you like a menu of things for you to consume,
like no, for like to keep things, like to trace

(56:03):
things and make sure we know as much as possible.
I'm like, what, oh, Like, so people are doing sacrifice,
how do you buy it in the most minimal way?
Their individual rights for the collective good? That doesn't doesn't
some some of us are doing it, but grudgingly. I
would imagine, Like you know, there's always there's always pushed

(56:25):
back where people say, I don't want the government to
know where are we today. It's like you're not that
interesting Greek like, man, you're on Facebook. You're on Facebook
checking into supermarkets like okay, um, But I didn't. I didn't.
I didn't know that it's amazing to think that the

(56:47):
Church of Scientologies, if it's, have somehow registered on the
news cycle of America and in New Zealand where they're
targeting us. I say that, I mean maybe my friends
have been quietly recruited. They didn't. They keep talking about diagnostics.
They want to give me a pissonality taste. But I
just figured that would goofing around. You guy, there appears

(57:09):
to be an e meter behind you in your on
your bookshelf. No, you'ren't gonna worry about that. That's uh,
that's just to make show everything's don't be a suppressive person, jack, right.
But you know, David the Scavenge, they're kind of Scientology

(57:30):
Pope in a memo in March called the Pandemic Hysteria.
So we know where they ultimately stand. Even though they
were giving out some helpful information with that was designed
to bring people to their website, there was that cruise
to that. Remember that, like the like a few ports

(57:51):
rejected them because they're like, this sounds like a COVID
boat we aren't willing to deal with. Yeah, they treat
the air um like sea org. I guess it is
the people who sign away their rights to the Church
of Scientology for a billion years. Uh, they treat them
very badly. The healthcare plan for the Sea org not

(58:13):
great it turns out, but just all around you know
that they've got to do something now that you know,
a long term l ap D investigation into Danny Masterson's
sexual assault of three women has now uh you know,
they're they've issued charges um and the Church of Scientology

(58:35):
was ultimately uh involved. It would appear in kind of
suppressing those accusations and you know, pushing back, and it
seems like they might be their influence and power in
the United States might be on the way. M h.
It feels like slowly if you put all of the

(58:56):
news stories together, while it is an incredibly uh you know,
full on time to be alive. You know, Scientology is
on the Wayne White supremacies, on the Waine whatso this right?
I mean Scientology if they're smart, right, because like in
l A, I get why some people fall into it

(59:16):
because they can at the time in the nineties in
early two thousands, you can go down a list of
celebrities who were famous and make this weird connection that like, Okay,
if I do this, then I can be as famous
as this person. But like when you look at now,
how like young kids who they want to be. It's
not fucking movie stars. They want to be like vloggers

(59:36):
and TikTokers and ship. So they need to get their
ass over there and start recruiting those people or else
you think you think you're gonna tell some sixteen year old,
oh you want to be like old, asked Tom Cruise
or fucking John Travolta. They were like who the fund
is John Travolta? And they're like, what is this movie
with the old problematic white men with dreadlocks? What is

(59:57):
this ship John Travolta of of Gatti fame? Right exactly?
Like that's probably what a kid is going to remember
him from. They're like, oh, that that guy was in
a movie before that. Remember like when you were a
kid and some some there would be an old person
in a movie and your parents would be like hyped
and you're like, who the funk are you talking about?

(01:00:18):
Like when Max von sid Oh was in like Bill
and Ted and like as Death and my mom was like, wow,
he's back, and like who is this old ass man?
And then you're like, oh, this man had a historic career.
But I'm young and I only know from this moment forward. Yeah,
it's like happy Days jokes and like mash references and
stuff that I was just like, Man, I don't know

(01:00:38):
what the funk you're talking about. But as I became
a fan of comedy, like that was all over the place,
like in the Simpsons and stuff like that. Right, anyways, Guy,
it's been a pleasure having you. Where can people find
you and follow you? You can find me and guy
under school mont on Twitter and Instagram, And I gotta

(01:01:02):
tell you sometimes I post content if that's where you're after,
I'm your dude. Nice. Uh? And is there a tweeter
or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Uh,
there wasn't. I'm actually just finding the tweet. This one
tickled me really well. This is from someone called Camilla

(01:01:24):
Blackett at Camilla d My guy now told me that
in her twenty years of practice, I of the strongest
pelvic floor she's ever seen. So if you feel a
shifting energy when I enter the room, it's because this
is the level of confidence I'm walking with now, um miles,

(01:01:46):
Where can people find you and follow you? And what's
a tweet You've been enjoying Twitter, Instagram, uh, PlayStation network,
Miles of Gray. Also my other podcast for twenty Day Fiance.
If you like ninety day Fiance checked that show out.
Um And a tweet I like is from at doctor Zoom.
Uh and this is just kind of it's it's truly

(01:02:08):
a snapshot of where we are. He tweets Breaking USA
achieves one onion slash reality parody and the first uh
thing is as a headline from the Washington Post that says,
amid threats in political pushback, public health officials are leaving
their posts. This is a post from the Onion in

(01:02:29):
said nations experts give up Washington d C. Citing years
of frustration over their advice being misunderstood, misrepresented, or simply ignored.
America's foremost experts in every field collectively tendered their resignation Monday.
Uh and it's Jesus, yeah, you know. So you can't
say you're when you're watching a car crash and slow motion.

(01:02:50):
You can't be surprised when it's ending in a crash, right. Uh.
Tweet I've been enjoying from soul Nate at M Nate
Shamalan tweeted me this is my invention. I call it
the Q tip marketing guy, what's it for me? So
many things? Just don't stick it in your ears? Marketing guy,

(01:03:11):
yours full of que tips? Sorry what You can find
me on Twitter, Jack Underscore O'Brien find us on Twitter
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about in today's episode, as well as the song we

(01:03:35):
ride out on mile What are we riding into the week?
I think this? Uh So, on yesterday's episode, we went
out on a track by fellow COUTI and I want
to actually keep that that without momentum going um. This
is a track from a group called Classica Orchestra Acrobeat,

(01:03:59):
and they used it's very I don't know. To me,
it's a very interesting conversation, you know, if I'm gonna
get deep with it. With classical instruments coming from Europe,
uh and those are being brought by colonizers to Africa
and then use those instruments to play African music. I
think it's an interesting conversation. Uh, and so this is
their rendition of the iconic Fellow Couci track Zombie. So

(01:04:20):
this is Zombie by Classica Orchestra Africa. All right, well,
the Daily that guys is the production of I Heart
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We'll be back with afternoon to tell you what's trending
and we will talk to you then Bye bye bye,

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Zoombiz done, Be yours homby. Don't be knockna Cole unless
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