tRuMp dYnAsTy, Down For Clowns? 9.10.19

In episode 470, Jack and Miles are joined by Go Fact Yourself's co-host J. Keith van Straaten to discuss an update on the college admissions scandal, Trump attacking famous people of color, scientists being told to not contradict Trump, CIA removing spies from Russia because Trump, Ivanka versus Don Jr., if Impossible burgers and Beyond Meat are healthier than regular meat, clowns, and more!

FOOTNOTES:

1. Looming Over the College Admissions Case: Will Parents Like Felicity Huffman Get Jail?

2. CHRISSY TEIGAN CALLS PRESIDENT TRUMP ‘P*SSY ASS B*TCH’ AFTER HE ATTACKS HER ON TWITTER

3. NOAA Told Its Scientists to Keep Their Mouths Shut About Trump's False Forecast: Report

4. CIA reportedly removed top spy from Russia over fear they could be compromised by Trump

5. The Heir

6. iPhone 11, 11 Pro, 11R and 11 Max: Price, specs and features we expect Tuesday

7. The Impossible Burger and Beyond Meat aren't healthier. Fast food's meatless marvels are just P.R.

8. 'Joker' wins Best Film at the Venice Film Festival

9. WATCH: j.robb - dancewithme

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season episode two of
their Daily Night Guys, a production of My Heart Radio.
This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
into America's share consciousness and say, officially, off the top,
fuck Coke Industries and funk Fox News. It's Tuesday, September two, tea.
My name is Jack O'Brien a K. I never told

(00:23):
you about the cold gas? Did I tell you about that?
Donning Krueger chatted catching all this flag? But y'all love
me for my second rate podcast. And this is why
I always need This is why I always need diet

(00:43):
Mountain Dude. This is why I always need Diet Mountain
d And that is courtesy of somebody's name who I
don't have in front of me. Uh but thank you
for that piece spoker Nickelback. OK. I will shut you
out at the end of the episode. And I'm thrilled

(01:04):
to be joined as always by my co host, Mr
Miles greg This is my co host, Jack. I like
my Coklan cold rule black. I say yes right off
the top, sick to say, I smoke a little pot.
Her Majesty is my Queen Mom sold Burberry into my

(01:28):
jeans only eading Taco Bill. I hope to that gang
is doing well. Give me to the hospital. Serious thank
you to Elizabeth ka at Eken's thirties three for that one.
Literally safe to say newvies coming out of the would work.

(01:51):
People are like listening, you know, weaving in anecdotes about
how my mother selflessly after screaming at her as a teenager.
So this barberry patch on my jeans and my diet
mountain dew. This is why I was courtesy of Guarantee
Fairy at the Sore Guarantee Favorite Fairy, Guarantee Fairy. Yeah. Well,

(02:14):
we are thrilled to be joined in our third s
by the hilarious Jake Keith band Stratton. Do I have
to sing? I mean, do I get to sing? Yeah? Oh,
I don't know what songs but the Nickelback song that
I would know. This is how you remind me. People
don't like us. They think we are bad, and I'm

(02:37):
the guest there. Yeah, all right, that's what that is.
Kind of the only thing that's known about Nickelback. People
don't like them until the packet of about fifty pages
of prep material that was not on there until today.
Because we're going deep on the history of Nickelback Today. Guys.
Uh No, We're gonna damn Jake Keith. We're gonna get

(03:00):
to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
we're going to talk about what's going on in the
Varsity Blues scandal with Felicity Huffman, her sentencing, the wild
couple of days that the president has been having on Twitter, um,
and just general speculation about what is after the presidency

(03:24):
for the Trump dynasty. We're gonna talk about the Apple
card and the new iPhone. We're gonna talk about Impossible
Meat and whether whether people care that it might have
the same calories and fat and more salt than the
regular burgers it's replacing. We're gonna talk about the fact
that the Joker one Goldline at Venice uh and that

(03:50):
it chapter two made ninety one million in the US
alone over the weekend, and asked the question why do
we still love clowns? Um the first j We like
to ask our guests, what's something from your search history
that's revealing about who you are? I was searching today

(04:10):
for I have a date tonight, and dating in l
A is mostly about logistics. Once once you match with
somebody on an app. It's mostly then about figuring out
where you're gonna go and uh and trying to figure
out what's fair because you know, if I work, let's
I work in Culver City, this is gonna be fascinating
people who outside of that l But that's but this
is a learning list. Okay, So I work in Culver City,

(04:31):
I live in Beverly Fairfax, and this woman that I'm
meeting tonight lives in sort of last Felis Silver Lake area.
So my home is between my work and where she
where she's coming from, So is halfway between my work
and where she lives, which would be nine neighborhood, or
is halfway between my neighborhood and where she lives. So
it's a lot of figuring figuring out there. Also, I

(04:53):
know it's not gonna work out, So yeah, there's that
there's that kind of optimism that you get to to
build this. Make it a Skype call. Yeah, to also look,
you know, the metrics are like where can I go?
That looks like I'm an interesting person for having selected this,
but I don't. I don't have to pay for a cocktail. Yeah,
and let them know you were just on a podcast
to you to give all the behind the scenes of
ladies love that. Yeah, I'm like, where do I go?

(05:13):
Does this so cool? Where are you going? You know?
I I, well, I propose the Cat and Fiddle, which
is Highland Melrose, which is which is sort of like
it's it's farther than halfway between my work and her home,
but not quite halfway from my home and her home.
So hopefully that'll get appreciated. Yeah, I like the place.
I liked it when they were right around here on

(05:33):
Sunset on Sunset, but now they've moved to Highland there,
and I don't know if we'll see we'll see what happens.
But that's what I was inside, being on the west
side and dating someone on the east side that's like
Hatfields McCoy, that is that is Romeo and Juliet's star crusted. Yeah.
You know, you have to be my age and so
you're as I was aging in dating. Part of my

(05:54):
thinking was like, well, I'll expand my my geographic search
because you know, there are fewer options I get older,
but also as I get older, I want to travel less.
Once you once you get once you get oh you're
pretty much Yeah, it's pretty much just staying in your neighborhood. Yeah,
they were friends or like friends. I haven't been very
close with I have like close friends with them on
the West Side. I still interact with them people who

(06:16):
not so much when they moved to the West Side.
That's the true test. And I'm like, they could be
dead for all. I mean, I'd like to point out
I'm willing to go past Last Sienago for love. I
don't think I'm willing to go to Encino. Yeah. Yeah,
and Cino is just right over there. It's closer than
you think. Man. That I mean, just as a value,

(06:36):
you know, advocate for the value, you know, the piece
of blessings to all the people have been seen. What
is something you think is overrated? Cards against Humanity? I
love comedy and I love games. I just hosted a
game night at my home last night. You guys did
not attend. I realized I also did not invite. You know,
would have been amazing on the Graham. I'd be happy

(07:01):
to have you in the future. Usually host him every
other week. Um, and we would probably be happy to
have you back on this podcast once that happens. I
mean already, I already had him on my podcast. That's
why I'm back. We don't want to reveal the dirty
underbelly that we use our podcast in part and should
I should? I point out that I would have to
let you win. I hate that. I know people that win.

(07:25):
So I love games and I love comedy, and I
cannot stand cards against humanity and I and even more so,
I cannot stand people posting photos of funny combinations that
came up cards against humanity because it's pretty much just well,
but I love class I play a lot of games
from the eighties and the early two thousand's. I have
no judgment on that. I just find it completely un
creative and unfunny. And then when people post something of like,

(07:48):
look at this crazy combination of things, it's like, yeah,
that would happen, because those things were already preprinted and
pre manufactured, and eventually those combinations would comedians. Yeah, it
doesn't mean that you're clever for having selected and and
you know it's based on Apples to Apples, which is
a great game that you can play with with kids
or with with the elderly. Unlike humanity. Yeah, but but

(08:09):
at least with Apples to Apples, you're you're you're a
you're learning a little something about what the certain topics are,
but you also you also get some insight into the
people that you're playing with, like, oh, I think that
person would choose that combination of things, and for card
tigin humanity, there's none of that. It's it's just all
random guessing. Well, I will say I agree with manufactured outrage.
I think there is something though, like when you're playing cards,

(08:31):
you do have to predict, like based on their sense
of humor. It's like I could put something that's witty
because based on the person who's picking, or something that's
just completely absurd. I'm not saying that that's it's more
it's more about like outrage, you know, it's being being
the craziest, wackiest. I just think it loses its excitement
after you play it the first time. Yeah, I think.
And the only other times I've enjoyed playing it has

(08:53):
been like I've not been sober, and then even then
the only good and sauce for arms or whatever that
card is love that one. No, it's like play at
once be amazed, like, oh my gosh, this thing is
so outrageous, and they put it in print. Wow, that's
kind of weird to see something so what ragious in
print and then and then move on to something. That's
how they need all those modifier decks now, because I
think people at a certain point it's like, right, you said,

(09:16):
the pope likes to jerk off on an old foot
or whatever the weird combo is, and wow, I mean
I'd rather play categories, but the pope is so holy yeah,
exactly why would he? Guys? I mean, let me, let
me explain why it's funny. Yeah, I mean Apples and

(09:40):
Apples is a fun game, but not enough, pope, what
is a good what is a good comedy game? To you? Games?
I like regular games where it ends up being funny
because people are under pressure and doing something unexpected. So
for me, pictionary is always funny. Funny Celebrity Celebrity is
one of my favorite games. Balderdash you can at least
be witty and clever and how you can get people

(10:02):
to guess fake definitions of things. I like those kinds
of things. But also I just have fun playing, you know.
There's also just not much very conversational about that game. Also,
it's like you you're waiting for someone to play something,
they play the wacky thing you make a statement about
like oh, that's so crazy, and then you move on
to the next thing. Like it doesn't it doesn't allow conversation,
It doesn't allow other than being amazed at how crazy

(10:23):
those combinations are. I'm not very tapped into the game
world unless it's on console. But like, there was a
version of Charades where it started off as just sort
of acting something out, but as each round got harder,
there's like the same twenty things people had to act out,
but you had less and less ability to actually emote
or gesture. So like first you would actually do you know,

(10:44):
proper shirt, you don't act it out. Then you could
only just use like your face. And then as it
got one of the more extreme rounds is you put
a sheet over yourself and then you try and act
it out with a sheet over you. And that was
just kind of got funny because you began to just
pick up on micro movements that suggest it was this
one answer, but you know, I play that once. It's

(11:05):
like some people who are too good at celebrity or
too comfortable in a sheet, they just come out from
under in their naked Yeah. Yeah, I've never played a
game of celebrity that didn't include people like laughing their
ass off at each other themselves until I overturned the
table and then and you're like, mutch less laughter. What

(11:27):
is something you think is underrated? I have been binge
listening as a podcast all of the original episodes of
Dragnet from the nineties and fifties, and it is some
of the best written drama. It's it's it's sort of
the original police procedural um and people familiar maybe with
the Dan Acroyd Tom Hanks movie, maybe they're familiar with
the TV show, but it all started as an old
time radio show, and it is fascinating how freaking good

(11:50):
it is. Some of the original episodes are lost on them,
up to about episode eighty or so out of like
two and fifty, and it's just it's it's a really
good police procedural. And this thing that's so fascinating about
it is what they choose to dramatize and what they
choose just to sort of narrate around. And it's really dark,
like you would think, you know, even though it's even
though it's also wholesome and kind of whitewashed from that era,

(12:11):
but there's also murders and rapes, and you know, on
one episode they're trying to find someone's lost for coat,
and another one there's you know, a triple homicide in
the park um And the great thing about it is
that it takes place in l A. And so there's
references to all these things in l A that, you know,
the street names that are still the same and the
places that aren't there anymore. You know, they talk about
the you know that the Dodgers might be coming to

(12:33):
Los Angeles from Brooklyn. Uh. So that so it's it's
just really fun and this and uh and and it
really keeps you into the story. And even though you know,
even though you know that they're just in a studio
and and someone is making sound effects and all that,
it really feels like they're in their car and they're
going out to the valley. And uh. It's just really

(12:53):
really really really enjoyable and incredibly well acted, even though
some of it's a little silly because you know, basically
they're Their procedure is you find the suspect, you ask
him three times. In the fourth time you say come on,
and they give it up. Yeah, there's a little bit
of that and also my my my favorite thing about
it also is that um uh, they could be walking

(13:15):
down a hallway or on a beach or on a
mountaintop and the footsteps sounded the same. It's like sounds
like it's like like tap shoes at the beach. Yeah,
but it's really really enjoyable and um like I said,
I don't let it as a podcast and usually listen
to it at night we're going to bed, and it's outstanding.
I mean, I hope, I hope I'm not repeating one
that's that's come up a lot. I'm sure you get

(13:36):
a lot of recommending old time radio. So it was
a radio show. Also started started the radio show with
Jack Webb as as Joe Friday, and then he also
of course played him on on TV as well. Yeah.
I think there was a movie also in the sixties
as well. The TV show taught me everything I needed
to know about l s D. I don't know if

(13:57):
you've seen the dragad LSD episode, but it well, there
was one episode I've listened to on the radio, on
the radio version where there's a suspicion of marijuana being
in a high school, and so they asked this. They
asked this girl like if she they're trying to find
the source of it, and they asked this one high
school girl, you know, like did you notice anything strange
about It's like, well, there was this strange muskie smell,

(14:20):
and it's like and then when I got into his car,
there was also that strange musky smell and if he
was acting a little weird, yeah, exactly. They uncover l
S D use among a group of hippies in this
one episode and uh, and it ends with one of
the like drug using hippies, Like they show up to
his apartment and he's like laying down and one of

(14:41):
his friends is like, he said he wanted to get
further out and Friday checks his pulse and goes, well
he made it. He's dead from LSUM fucking CSI music
and have Caruso though sunglasses dio. The radio version is

(15:01):
there's like there's action, there's chase, there's car chases and
there's shootouts and does it work? It really does. This
is interesting to me about you bringing this up because
like we live in it. We're sort of re entering
this sort of space again with podcasts, right, and then
we failed to sort of even see it's like they
were fucking perfecting ship when they only had radio. Yeah,

(15:21):
I mean some of you know, of course, they have
to narrate it a little bit. It's like, yeah, look out, Joe,
he's got a gun. He's shooting at you. You know,
there's a little bit of that. He's shooting in your
general direction. But like if you can pull off a
car chase and it's still exciting, I mean that really
says something. Look Out, look out, it's a woman with
a baby carriage. Do you have your eyes closed? He's

(15:42):
telling you, I'm on LSD. What is a myth? What's
something people think is true that you know to be false.
That Cleveland is um not a good place to visit.
I was just in Cleveland a few weekends ago. I
spent the weekend there. As I've mentioned on this show before,
I travel a lot often to accumulate mileage, and that
was there was a total mileage run to go to Cleveland,

(16:03):
and I had a great time. It's really really cool.
Hall I did. I went to the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame. I stayed downtown. I walked to a
baseball game. Yeah, I walked to a baseball game. That
for those maybe from in a lot of cities that's normal,
but in l A that's unheard of. Uh yeah, and
it's great, you know, it's there are a lot of
neighborhoods that are being re energized, and unfortunately a lot

(16:25):
of those are just like mini Portland's, which because a
lot of the same across across the country. Um, but
it's still got a lot of great personality and very
walkable and gorgeous. Like you're looking over the these bridges
at sunset up over the river and off fronto the lake.
I got some incredible pictures that you would never believe
that was Cleveland, and great people and and super friendly.
I've never met a bad person from Cleveland there you go.

(16:47):
So yeah, no, it's it's something that even people who
I met there were like, really, you came here on
purpose for vacation, Drew Carey fan, Yeah exactly. Uh yeah,
I know. I had no other reason to go there. Then,
Oh it sounds cool. I hadn't been and and I
guess as like I said, I had, is a cheap
fair in need of the miles, and um yeah, really
really great time. As the presidents of the United States
of America said Cleveland rocks. Yeah, they did say that.

(17:09):
And there's some people who called the Clee and then
other people called the called the clean cle or the Cleveland. Interesting.
The land sounds a little bit better. Yeah, it's the
kind of place where, like I go to a bar
and people will actually talk to you. And I met
people at the baseball game, like I went there alone
and ended up ended up with friends. Love to hear that.
And the food is great. I should acknowledge that. The

(17:31):
only people I've ever met from Cleveland, or the characters
on the Drew Carey Show, I was gonna say, yeah,
I mean I do love those Well, all the women
wear heavy clown makeup. My friend, she's outrageous. Uh No,
shout out to Sean who is a listener of the
show and uh one of the smartest dudes I know.

(17:52):
And he moved back to Cleveland after college and is
had his bachelor party in Cleveland. He had a great time,
but walked to a baseball game. H it's great. It's
great to leave a place in the field. Oh, I
didn't get to do everything I wanted to do. Yeah, yeah,
I just want to go to I just I want
to go for the food actually, because I've seen so
many food specials, like at the West Side Market or something,

(18:13):
and all the food that's there and almost just get market.
Some of the best ice cream I've had there is
at Mitchell's. I went to Michael Simon, who I think
is an iron chef, has a barbecue place. There was
that that was that rageously good. Alright, so look, Ohio, dude,
we're doing the Lord's work for you. Just fly us out.
What I mean, was this an option in particular? Yeah,
but Cleveland, Cincinnati, I'll check out. You know, I love

(18:34):
I love sky language. You need someone to show you around, Yeah, exactly,
and any's gang that's there to house us. Alright, guys,
let's get into the latest on the Varsity Blues scandal.
I think this is the part that we were all
waiting for, which is the sentencing the justice pumper don't don't.

(18:55):
That's the law and order sound but done terribly. I
think we're on I think I mean we should be
filed under music podcast at this point. We might get
sued for copyright infringement just from my vocal stylings. But
Felicity Hoffman, her lawyers are asking that she just served
probation and community service and a five. Yeah, but the

(19:17):
prosecution is like, we're thinking, you know, embrace herself a
month in jail. Um, And you know, I think there
are people who are who want more, want less. Clearly
her lawyers thinks of community service and twenty dollars is
good enough. But I don't. Um. I think I don't
necessarily desire for her to be in jail for an

(19:38):
extended period of time. Necessarily that's some kind of kind
of right, am I am I wrong? Like I think
I think there's ways, though to tell these people that
you fucked up majorly. That doesn't just because I think
when she was on Desperate Housewives, she was making somewhere
near like four hundred thousand an episode, was twenty dollars, Like,
that's not an effective Well, that's not even close to

(20:00):
what she actually paid the guy to help the kid
get in. It's fifteen Yeah, she paid fifteen thousand, and
that was going to get her kid into pellege. No, No,
she only it was fifteen grand just to arrange that
fake test score because her kids the Jankie proctor. I
thought other people were other people like you know, Lori Laughlin.

(20:20):
I think was on the hook for half a million, right, Okay,
so that's why she is a little bit of a
different case. But anyway, and Lori Laughlin not guilty, as
she says, not good luck with that trial. Um, but
like you know this, I think, yeah, the fines could
be greater or do something that, you know, if you're
going to put that money into take the opportunity from
someone else, I think you have to make amends in

(20:42):
a in a much greater one of scholarship, like a
million a very least the sort of people that you
whose spot you were taking. But I do think she
should have a little jail time. I don't think it
needs to be huge or even even a couple of
like if she agrees to do the community service and
established a scholarship or something, right, I think some jail
time is because I think at the end of the day,

(21:03):
you want these people to be like, oh, maybe we
should just you know, gallivant to Santro pay on a
yacht for vacation, be like, oh, that's right, we took
a three million dollar hit last year. Maybe we need
to rethink that because we fucked up. Because we're trying
to game the college admission system in a in a
different way. But now she doesn't do any jail time
and just does the probation of that, is she still
a felon? She are you still a convicted felon? I

(21:27):
don't know if she I want her to be a felon? Yeah,
why not? I mean, you know, she could be up there.
But yeah, again I think it's it's seemingly a light touch.
But again when you but just hear her out, because
there are people who her lawyers are like, look, you know,
she was in a real tough spot when this guy
came up to her and told her that her daughter,
based on her own academic merit and ability, was unfit

(21:51):
to get into the school she wanted to apply to
or enter. She had no choice. Yeah, it's like what
And then her whole quote was from Huffman and I
think during a deposition or one of these um procedures
said quote, I felt an urgency which built to a
sense of panic that there was this huge obstacle in
the way that needed to be fixed for my daughter's sake.

(22:11):
As warped as it sounds now, I honestly began to
feel that maybe I would be a bad mother if
I didn't do what Mr. Singer was suggesting, which was
to cheat on her. That is good parenting, to teach
her kids that anything can be bought and that you
just you know, I understand where she's coming from, but
she still made the wrong choice. Yeah, like I have

(22:32):
I have empathy for her for wanting the best for
your child exactly. Yeah, you want the best for your child,
but you also can't like teach them that they can
buy their way. I felt guilty that that my dad
was able to afford like an s A T tuotor
for me, Like, I felt that was you know, that
that was exposing the privilege that I had, and I
felt that that was, you know, at the expense of
of people who, you know, who couldn't and are primed

(22:55):
to enter that environment of taking. It turned out my
dad was just being a cheap skate. It it's like
right for someone else for me, he explored his options. Yeah,
he's like, kh al right, guys, let's take a quick
break and we'll be right back. And we're back, and

(23:25):
just a general check in with the state of mind
of the president of these United States. You know, after
having a bad week last week. Over the weekend, the
President went on Twitter to let his base know who
the real villains are and see if you can tell
me if these people have anything in common John Legend,

(23:49):
Lester Holt, Van Jones, and John Legends filthy mouthed wife
who didn't mention by name. Um, they are not whitey yeah,
ding ding ding. He got mad at an MSNBC story
that didn't give him enough credit for being Rocky basically

(24:11):
prison or not just a story like an hour long
special on a Sunday night. Lester whole like went to prison? Right?
Was the whole thing? Yeah? I think John Legends. The
legend thing was that we was pretty good, he said.
Imagine being the president of the whole country and spending
your Sunday night hate watching MSNBC hoping somebody, anybody will
praise you the Melania, please praise this man. He needs you. Um.

(24:35):
I just like how Chrissy tig In as her name
is actually said and we were shook to our core. No,
apparently she just got tired of correcting people. She's like,
it's tige In, but like, honestly, I don't care anymore.
I was like, WHOA, come on, stand up for your name? Uh?
Was when she called him a pussy ass bitch. That's
pretty good. So that's how that was her response. Correct, Yeah,

(24:56):
I guess to all this. I mean, I knew something happened,
but when I saw the headline Chrissy Tigen to President
Trump pussy as a bitch, I was like, that's all
I need to know. Yeah, she, I mean, that was
her response to him calling her foul mouth and that
he wouldn't mention her name or at her because presumably
he saw that follower account saw the amount of love

(25:20):
that's out there. Oh boy, I thought he would get
away with beating up on Van Jones. Um. Just man,
I wish he'd tried to actually show up for a
smoke show with Chrissy Tiger because I feel like you
would have his whole skull ripped off on Twitter and
it would be an l he could never come back from. Yeah,
it's but that's why he didn't at her, And she

(25:41):
was even saying in true Twitter, you know, beef style,
like you couldn't even at me son. Meanwhile, his Alabama
hurricane funk up has continued to kind of linger. The
National Weather Service chief came out on Monday in full
support of the local meteorologists who contradicted the president's you know, dangerous,
panic inducing tweet, and the President has continued to suggest

(26:05):
he was right, and apparently the National Weather Service has
had been applying like pressure downward for people not to
come out and like say anything about the controversy or
you know, contradict the president in any way. A source
who spoke to Gizmoto said, this is the first time

(26:25):
I've felt pressure from above to not say what truly
is the forecast. It's hard for me to wrap my
head around. One of the things we train on is
to dispel inaccurate rumors, and ultimately that is what was occurring. Ultimately,
what the Alabama office did is provide a forecast with
their tweet. That is what they get paid to do.
And weather has officially entered the Trump zone where this is.

(26:51):
But the Chief Scientists of the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration
came out. I was like, I'm going to actually investigate
what the funk happened here because this just smacks of
a political thing because they had to come out and
be like, actually, he was right. But then but the
chief SIGND is like, that's fucking a terrible thing to
come out and have to say something like that because

(27:11):
our whole the service we provide is giving people accurate
information and potentially dangerous situations for people when it comes
to inclement weather. So it's like to then come out
and do all this other stuff in service of this
you know, obsessed president. He was like, it's just a
danger to public safety. And I mean that's what I
wanted to say. Also, it's like, I know, it's it's
easy to make fun of because it's so bizarre. Yeah,

(27:34):
there sharping all that, but like this is a really
big step towards a being anti science and anti fact
and all that. But yeah, just as far as public safety,
I mean, if there's you know, there's there were people
in Alabama probably who needed to know should I evacuate
or not? Should I get my grandmother out of the
nursing home or not? And he, you know, and because
of his own ego, we can't get a straight answer
on all that. I mean, next time, you know, let's
say this, next time an emergency that isn't predictable and

(27:56):
we're gonna need reliable facts, and he's gonna say whatever
is the most convenient for him or safe face. It's
it's a. It's a real dangerous step, even though it
also was freaking ridiculous, even though like on paper, you'd
be like, I'm probably gonna go with whatever the scientists
are saying versus Trump. The fact that you have two
competing narratives to somebody who is not as savvy could

(28:17):
potentially be confused and be like, well, which one do
I believe? Now? Yeah, And the presidents came first. I
mean he was like, there, Alabama wasn't in any danger.
The storm was gonna they knew the storm was gonna
be too far east to affect Alabama, and he said,
Alabama is gonna get hit worse than expected. And I

(28:38):
think of what that means for people there. I mean
that maybe they leave their job and they'll get paid
for that day because they've got to go prepare their home,
or they've got to you know, they've got to go
buy gas, they've got to go buy supplies. This really
affects people, uh as you know, and again, think, thank goodness,
it wasn't the opposite he said. You know, he didn't
say something wasn't gonna happen, and then you could totally
see that happening in the exact same way you imagine
if it was the opposite where where he said, you

(28:59):
know floor he kept in sisting Florida is not going
to get hit or Bahamas isn't gonna get hit, and
then they do. He the tweet that is causing all
the controversy, not from him, but the one contradicting him,
was just like, guys, don't wearry. Alabama is safe. Like
we're not going to get it. It's just like such
a straightforward thing. It's like, how is this controversial? How

(29:21):
is this still a thing? I didn't say, I didn't
say Alabama. How did he not just say sorry about Alabama?
That it's not Alabama. I saw one theory that that
he got confused because he read some piece of paper
that said all Bahamas right. Oh, then that somehow in
his head that's how we got the idea that Alabama.
But even then he wouldn't even be able to admit

(29:42):
that now of course, and it's like, no, you fucking
pour moron, I mean, they're not poor him. Fuck, there
is that uh, there is that Samantha b piece that
is supposed to be a joke about how he can't read. Uh,
that is wildly convincing. When you look it like all
the all the different people who have like worked with him,

(30:03):
and like different depositions where he's like, I don't know
what you're talking about. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
read that sentence, and Pete Davidson saying on SNL he
couldn't read the cute cards. So, Miles, we have a
little bit more insight into when the president early what
seems like decades ago, early in his presidency, kind of

(30:26):
yuked it up with Russian officials U after the next
day after firing James, pretty much the next day there
was that photo of uh, Sergey lav Rov and Sergey
Kisley act, so the foreign minister and former ambassador respectively,
We're like in the Oval office fucking yucking it up,

(30:46):
and people like, what the funk is going on? Right?
And the story that came out at that time is
that Trump may have revealed some kind of intelligence gathering
source because he was sharing information that we had collected
on like isis in Syria that had come from like
an Israeli intelligence source or something like that. And at
the time it was sort of the beginning of like
what the fuck is this guy doing? Like did he

(31:09):
literally just have Rush as the Oval Office share some
kind of like secret intelligence and then just kept it moving.
And you know, at the time it was just like
one of the you know, many hundred stories that comes
out a week about the president. Um. But recently it
was just sort of it just came out that um,
they as a result of that exchange, like a lot

(31:29):
of the intelligence officials in the US got concerned about
a very deep intelligence asset they had in the Russian
government and had to extract them, like very quickly because
they're like, oh fuck, Like even though this specific information
that was you know, revealed that this meeting didn't have
anything to do with them, they were like, we don't
even want them to connect and gentially get them the

(31:51):
funk out, which is extreme because that's like an extreme remedy.
Then maybe just summoning them somewhere else, like no, we're
gonna have to pull this person out to make sure
nothing terrible happens to them. And that was sort of
the byproduct of his show and tell party in the
Oval Office. And it's just sort of like mounting evidence
or just sort of adding to the narrative that you know,

(32:11):
the intelligence community has a just deep distrust for him.
Uh not even that, like when he's sharing like you know,
missile launched photos, like they're just like, you know, cool
dm s to share with It kind of weird because
in a way we kind of need this sort of
deep state. It happened to happen, but I think it's
it's it's happening in you know, because of him, rather
than you know, as a I don't know what I'm

(32:32):
trying to say. No, I'm trying to I'm trying to
say that, you know, the conspiracy about the deep state
was that was that you know, he was part of it,
and that it was, but really it's becoming an off shoot.
It's becoming necessary to create one because he's so out
of control and he's irresponsible with any information and then yeah,
his temperament then too. On top of it. It's like,
you don't know how close we are to some disastrous

(32:54):
dismiss It's so weird though that that that now you know,
people on the left or like, oh thank god, there's
rogue to protect us from the present. And the fact
that James Comy was lionized by the left for a
little while, it was pretty wild based on everything else.
Literally everything else that he's ever done, other than be
fired by Trump and have a feud with him. But

(33:16):
that was the logic Jared Kushner thought was going to
be good. He's like, yeah, fire him and then the
Democrats will like you. He's like, dude, what, Yeah, Okay,
let's talk about the ship show at the fun Factory month.
Shout out to Succession, Shout out to success I started
watching the show. The Atlantic has a new report on
a sort of mini Cold War that's brewing between Ivanka

(33:40):
and her brother, Donald Jr. Yeah. It's um, it's a
fucking wild read. Um. It has so much interesting background.
It's just it's you know, over the course of many
interviews with aids and friends and people around it, they
were sort of kind of understanding this. Their relationship between
Don Junior his sister was evolving in a becoming more

(34:02):
and more adversarial as time goes on. Um. And because
now since he's become president, Trump is now president, the
two kids are like really desperate to impress their father
in any way possible. Um. But it seems like there's
sort of two games happening. There's one with Ivanka and Jared.
They're doing it they're playing a more like inside game
where they want to just get as much influence in

(34:23):
the city and in the administration as possible and from
their cement to place for their future if they choose
to move on to a political hustle, if you will.
And then Don Jr. Just wants Daddy's affection. So it's
happening in two different ways, but there at the end
of the day, they both want their fathers of the
approval um. So the the backdrop that it's all set

(34:45):
up against is really interesting. Apparently this is um, like
you know, through these interviews and books and other things,
they said, uh that essentially Donald Senior cultivated a Darwinian
dynamic in the family. On Skee tra ups when they
raced down the mountain, Trump with jab at his children
with a poll to get ahead of them. His favorite
fatherly maxim was don't trust anyone, and he liked to

(35:09):
test his children by asking whether they trusted him. If
they said yes, they were reprimanded. The weirdest part is
that none of that seems out of character, and it's
starting to make sense, right because you're like, oh, of course,
like if that's what's being put through your head, you'll
never trust anyone or feel for anyone because everyone is
out to get you. Right. If everyone's out to get you,

(35:30):
you should you can never feel bad for anyone. Um.
And then from there like it got worse. Apparently, when
Ivanna Trump and Donald split and he left Ivanna for
Marlin Maples, they both hated their father for basically what
he had done to their mother and how he treated
her and how he handled the whole thing. But the
two kids seated on her in public and then leaked

(35:51):
stories about how he cheated on her to the page
six exactly in addition to abusing her. You know, and
I think all of that. But then the kids handled
at their separate way. Don who was twelve at the time,
was angry. He said, this is again through these interviews. Quote,
how can you say you love us? He reportedly spat
during an argument and refused to talk to him for
a year. Eight year old Ivanka was afraid of what

(36:12):
she might lose in the divorce. Blah blah blah. But
in the years that followed, Don seemed to define himself
in opposition to his father. Trump loved golf, so Don
stayed off the links. Trump was a teetotaler, so Don
drank heavily. People from his frat and calleg said he
was drinking heavily. He's drinking himself into a really dark place,
said one former frat brother who were called Don breaking
down in tears at a party as he talked about

(36:33):
his father. He hated what his dad did to his mom.
For a while, he didn't even want people to know
his last name. And then Ivonka on the other side,
got closer during that period and visited him every day
after school. So she just went to the office and
began to pride herself by saying, like he will, he'll
always take my call. He'll he'll interrupt a meeting to
take my call. And so that was sort of the

(36:54):
backdrop to of them like starting to compete with each other,
and it just gets fucking wackier and darker as things
go on. Because there was a I think around last
year November, there's a McClatchy report about how someone was
describing how like Don junr wows as Ivanka disappoints was
the headline. And they began to be like, oh see,

(37:15):
they're leaking shit about us, and blah blah blah and
they had a confrontation where he's like, tell your people
to stop trashing me to the media, Oh, Ivanka, And
then this whole time they just talk about Eric, who's
just like and Eric likes to stay out of it.
Eric likes to play with socks. Essentially, he's just like
at the you know, at the at the at maral Lago,

(37:36):
running the organization and just not really knowing what to do.
I mean, it doesn't based on you know, whenever you
read kind of insider like deeply reported insider reports of
what it's like in the White House, you are always
hearing about how like surprisingly influential Jared and Ivanka are

(37:59):
by like surprising because they don't have roles, but they're
just still yeah, i mean like technically an official advisor, right,
but that gives them the freedom to just kind of
roam and like going to different places and just you know,
have their impact felt. It's like having Yeah, they're like

(38:21):
an extra, having an extra person and on like a
basketball court and you're just getting to like run around
and like block anyone because you don't have a Manda guard,
like you don't have an official position to just get
to do what you want. Um and Yeah, you don't
hear much about Don Jr. Other than stories about the

(38:42):
president being like, my son's a fucking idiot. There was
another thing in there in the Atlantic article where they're
talking about how when he was born or when Ivana
was pregnant with Don Jr. She told She's like, why
don't we name him Donald? And He's like, what if
he's a loser? Right, was his first response to that.
So he's very and that's just you can tell in

(39:02):
their relationship and also Don Junior's desperation to impress him.
That's why apparently during the campaign, Ivanka stayed behind the
scenes because her dad was even like, she's got an image. Yeah,
she's been, she's been tending to that image is more
important than this run for the White House and the
future of the United States. I mean, that's so. Over

(39:24):
the weekend, Trump's campaign manager uh predicted a multi decade
Trump dynasty, saying that like, he and his family are
all amazing people, and uh so, I mean basically that
is how they're thinking about, how do they how do
they define the dynasty exactly that just because he was

(39:46):
president once, now that name is gonna have so much
Like cashe everybody probably think everyone but Tiffany's just trying
to be a lawyer. So they do say that Tiffany
and Baron are lucky because they had a much different
upbringing than the Eric, don Ju and Ivanka, like where
he wasn't like making it like creating this toxic family

(40:07):
environments like what did you stab your brother? Stuff enough,
that kind of thing where it's I think maybe he
was just normal neglect, right, it's more like having a grandparent,
like being a grandparent at this stage for him, he
doesn't need to be like overly involved. And I you know,
you know, I hope Baron can end up a decent human.

(40:28):
But yeah, good luck to you, sir. All Right, we're
gonna take another quick break. We'll be right back, and
we're back and Apple having a big week. The Apple
Card is newly out, the new iPhone is going to

(40:51):
be revealed this week. And the coolest thing I've seen
out of those two news items is that you can
sharpen your Apple card to turn it into a knife
pretty wit what, Yeah, you can, because it's like titanium
or whatever some sort of metal that like works. You

(41:12):
can just sharpen it like pretty easily. It was a
guy just filing it like on a proper grading wheel,
or just like he used sam paper, like wet the
same paper and then just like kind of sharpened it fair.
You can make a knife out of anything. I've gone
into these YouTube black holes where there's this, there's this

(41:33):
guy in Japan will make a knife out of like
packing tape or out of like cardboard and all that,
So I'm not terribly surprised. Yeah, prisoners have done amazing things.
If you ever want to look up like things people
have been killed with in prison and like that, please
stop sending your credit cards to prisoners. Yes, it's it's
pretty cool. That's because it looks dangerous, like it's kind

(41:54):
of cool. It sounds already like of you know, thin
blade and now you can be like Steve A. Sigal
in The Glimmerman. I don't know if you remember that
scene he cuts a dude's throat with a credit card.
Does he? Yeah, like these dudes trying to rob him
and he's like, oh yeah, here's my credit card and
straight up splits this dude's throat. I don't know why.
The first thing I thought of was like, that's Steven
Seagal seen in the Glimmerman. Well, because it's a ridiculous thing.

(42:18):
But also I'm more Yeah, I'm just more in my head.
I'm like, why do I remember from the Glimmerman. I'm
into the credit card and points in Miles games. So
I have a lot of different credit cards and so this,
this the heavy metal credit card, has been a thing
for I don't know the last five years or so.
I did not understand what the benefit or advantage of
it is. It's it's so you can feel like doing
something important. Yeah, the whole reason to have it is

(42:41):
so that the waiter the shopkeeper says, oh heavy and
the heavy ball sack there, sir, exactly right, no small
penis person, please ring up my viagra. If there's something
like unconscious about the fact that money is all basically
imaginary numbers in the system now, so we like want
them to have sansible, but you have there with something tangible.

(43:04):
Because you get these metal cards, you can't shred them.
So if it gets if you need to, you know,
if you close your account, if it gets to or
you know, you have to change cards or whatnot, you
have to send it back in. You just turn into
you know, what to buy. I've not been repurposing them.
You said you're heavy into the credit card mileage points. Yes,
I mean, I know you clearly care about miles. But yes,
do you have you have a system that you use

(43:26):
for your purchases to optimize your point So I have
a but I probably have about twenty different credit cards
or something. Yeah, yes, that because especially when I was
very heavy into the game. That I mean, that's nothing
for people who have in the game the game. I'm
not into the I'm not the my points guy. I
don't know that. I'm not some points I have written
for the points guy, but I'm not the points guys.
But no, there are people who have a whole system

(43:47):
with a with a you know, a spreadsheet where they
know that, Okay, if you apply for this card, then
you maximize it out to this and then eighteen months
later you can get this one. There are people who
really do that. I've I've gotten I've gotten a little
more sane for myself. So I've got my basics that
you know, I know I've got to get. I gotta
spend this much on this card in order to get
my status on this airline, and then the rest of it.
I'm going to maximize this because this is you know,
I get this many points for for restaurants, so I

(44:09):
was always gonna put my restaurant purchases on this one
and stuff like that. So yeah, I've got I've got.
I got a little system. And the Apple card has
no there's no place in it, no points. So what's
the point. I think you do get I think you
do get some percentage cash back on there, but it's
not a not a great value. But I think it's
for the you know, my friend got one, a friend
of mine got one when I think you know, it
was one of the first to get him, and I

(44:30):
asked him, whine it is, like, because it's look at
it's right to this. Yeah. Yeah, that's an empty can,
which is really which is why it's such a brilliant marketing,
because they're getting people weren't looking necessarily to get a
new credit card to to get that. A couple of
weeks ago, when they first started rolling them out, we
re wrote up about this, like the Apple support page
just for the credit card because it stains very easily.

(44:50):
The like don't put it in contact with leather or denim,
that's like pockets it out in front of me. You're
surprised that he used it on the first time. It
scratched right right exactly, And a lot of people were like,
what the fuck, because again, when it's Apple, you want
the shiny new thing, but you wouldn't let it scratch.

(45:11):
I've never seen the Apple where I've never seen one
credit card that doesn't look like shit or like begins
to wear down within three times of being swiped. So like,
I'm surprised they didn't invest more and like being like,
and it's gonna look fucking sick the whole time. There's
no are there no numbers on the Apple card. It's
not like on the rotating or whatever. Isn't it randomized

(45:34):
that I'm not sure because yeah, you know, it almost
seems like the way Steve Jobs was like no buttons,
right right right, They're like no anything that credit cards
are used for. Yeah, it's it randomizes the like actual
card number. So that's when you connect you when you
use it with the app, I think when you use

(45:54):
it like with you, Yeah, so like that way you'll
It's just they just want to make it as difficult
as possible for somebody to take your fucking card. To
spend a hundred dollars at a gas station and Northridge right.
As far as the new iPhone, they're working on a
folding iPhone, an iPhone with a laser guided three D
time of flight camera. I don't even know what the
funk that means. Uh, what's in display fingerprint sensor and

(46:16):
those are all slated for beyond. This one is just
gonna have a bigger camera. That's basically damn. I've the
flights whenever used that combination of words was impressive. Time
of flight, laser guided and in display fingerprint sensor is
I have been wondering did a time of like to like?

(46:36):
I have no idea. I've I've been turning that over
in my mind for a while. I'd like to help
the focus of the camera. I think that it may
be used something in motion or whatever. It's time of flight, Okay,
that makes more sense. Like I thought it was to
remember your I think I think it's to capture things
in motion. So like if you if you want to
get a still photos thing in motion with laser, using
a laser to'll figure out where the thing is so
it won't be blurry. I'm guessing it's that yeah, or

(46:58):
or it's or it's another way of paying for tacos. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, the camera seems to be the main thing
that they can keep making better. Everything else seems like
it's mean. I have an iPhone ten. I don't really
see anything that means like, oh, ship okay, because before that,
I had an Apple iPhone like four that was just rotting.

(47:19):
We started to smell. Okay, I'm not gonna lie. The
phone started to smell. I don't know why. I don't
know if you've noticed this. I have a laptop, a
old Mac laptop that also has started to smell. Oh yeah,
if you have any answer on that, please let me know.
But um, yeah, I think even now, I'm like, I
don't know how much you can really iterate on this
where we're like, oh, we've okay, now we're yeah. I
mean the best I think the thing that would be

(47:41):
great is if they could like double the battery life
or something. But that nobody has created a better battery
since the first iPhone, Like it's all basically the same,
and the battery makes up most of the body of
your camera, Like that's why the pluses have longer battery
life because they just have bigger batteries. I mean, yeah,

(48:04):
it was. Portrait mode is really the the end end
end of the road for me. Yeah, like after that,
after seeing one person used portrait mode, was like, oh,
this will be cool. Four times. Yeah, portrait mode is great.
That's one of the great innovations. It probably it helps
I notice for people with kids, they actually have good
photos of their kids. Yeah. Before on these other ships,
it was like, cool, there is not a good picture

(48:25):
of me before the age of like twenty, I don't think. Yeah,
so yeah, there's like good like like my son has
like so many good pictures of them. I know, I
have to look constantly. That's a double edged sword though,
you know, like everything's all that history is available now
for these kids and exists forever. Yeah, I mean ship again.

(48:48):
Most of my most of my pictures of me as
a kid are just me squinting like we're Polly knits on. Yeah,
or it's like me with like my pupil heavily dilated
at a high school football game or something, wearing a
candy necklace. Came for that. Hey man, look man, when

(49:11):
you're partying your party. Actually, I was in banned at
high school football and I was always in the stands,
but I would drink in the stands. You would drink well,
do it well. I remember when our our football team
got really good my senior year, I got real reckless
and on trips I had a fake I d that
I made him on myself on photoshop. I was from
New Jersey and I would buy Bacardi and I would
I would take a two leader bottle of coke and

(49:33):
do rum and coax basically, so I would have this
two leader just lit tank that would pass around the
back of the bus. It almost got deep shit when
a security guard tried to stop me for running on
the field drunk, and they're like, are you drinking? I'm like, no, man,
I gotta go, and I ran back in the crowd. Wow. Anyway,
storytime with Miles. Let's talk about impossible meat. There's like

(49:55):
sort of a an online backlash brewing sort of thing,
like people are talking about how impossible meat, uh and
beyond meat has the same calories and fat and more
salt than real meat and basically treating it like like
a health food that people are are being fooled by. Yeah,

(50:17):
I don't know, if I don't necessarily see it as
like eating that stuff because it's healthier, I do it,
but it's not as you know, there's not a much
of an impact on the environment, and I can still
pretend I'm eating beef. Yeah, And I also just feel
better afterwards generally than I do if I like, well,
that's the difference. Also, there's fiber right these vegan patties

(50:37):
that isn't in real beef, and it's just not as
hard to digest as meat, So like that's I don't know.
I also am skeptical of stories, any story that is
this seems to be making the rounds of like NBC
News and Fox News and CNBC where it seems like
it's like a mainstream media story, and I feel like

(50:58):
those sorts of outlets of long standing relationships with big advertisers,
and you know that this is these products are obviously
threatening a established order of things. This is kind of
what always happens anytime there's a new dietary wonder. You know.
It's like when when nutros shite first came out, people
you know, thought, oh, it has no you know, it

(51:20):
has no health tops with a benefit risks at all,
and then you know, therefore you can need a thousand
candies with this and still not realizing that there's the
you know, there's the calories in the fat and a
lot of those are like the nutrous suitet thing was
um like the cancer risk was actually greatly exaggerated. They
were feeding like what would be to us bucket loads

(51:43):
of nutri sweet to the rats to give them the
cancers sacharin No, no, yes, yes, but you know, or
even like when like when Baked laz came out, everyone thought, oh,
this is the problem with the alestra ones. Yeah, jectiles
ship themselves. Yeah, you're like, oh it's new with olean Yeah. Yeah.

(52:06):
People always overdo it or don't realize that there's still
other elements in it that you know, depending on what
your diet is, work and network. But I've I haven't
tried one yet because I think also to the attack
is like, well, what's all this processed food? Man? Like,
now this is a process music, Well, most food is
processed on some level. It's the additive and bullshit ingredients
that like we're sort of conflating with the quote unquote

(52:26):
processed foods that are the bad ones, you know, versus
you know, anything that has to go through a process
to be made right. Um, but yeah, I mean it's
like the dairy farmers being like, can't milk and almond.
It's like, we'll watch me. Yeah, but they just did
motherfucker find a new angle they have. They're paying the
best advertising minds in New York millions and millions of

(52:50):
dollars every year to come up with like the best
way to ship on these products, and that's where you
end up getting like, well, this cancer study, people don't
trust uh chemically altered like imitation foods. So let's focus
on this one cancer study that says if you feed
a rat it's weight and nutri suite on a daily basis,

(53:13):
it gets canceled. Like what's the beef Council? How are
they even advertising right now? Because I remember used to
be like beef It's was for dinner. Like it's been
quiet for them like in this new era. So I
guess what is their strategy just to like sort of
behind the scenes just take a shift on these I
should say, I have no evidence to say that these

(53:34):
NBC stories are like being planted or anything. No, no, no,
but I'm saying as but like any industry, you would
have a like some kind of marketing plan to shield
yourself from this other product that's coming out, whether you
do that very underhandedly or just try and do new
advertiser or advertising that's like beef, It's how your kid
will get smarter some ship. Yeah. Um, but I think,

(53:56):
like anything, you've got to investigate what's in it and
how that affects you. Know, the way that you eat
and what your health is the same. Isn't the same
for everybody? Yeah? I would. I would also like to
see like a product by product side by side of
like what what the health changes are, just because I
could also see this being a thing where like a
couple of the products are the same, but most of

(54:18):
them are actually better for you. But we shall see.
Well yeah, I mean we all know taco about is
healthy for you. Yes, talk about find a new angle
and their ground beef is a quality. Meat is a quality.
Meats not a quality. It's some kind of a it's
some kind of a organic flesh compound. They've been making

(54:41):
fake meat for years. Full on us. That's like a
j LENO. Take us read about this. Let's talk about clowns.
Scary clowns. Are you calophobic? No, not at all. I
don't really have racist. Yeah, I have been. I have
been interested in in looking at old TV from the fifties,

(55:04):
Like clowns were Breakfast Cereal mascot. They fucking loved him.
It seems very strange to me because they they do
seem like scary, like inherently not like a thing that
children would like. Well, it's someone who has painted themselves
to convey an emotion that they might not be experiencing underneath.

(55:25):
Implicit they can't be trusted and they're disgusting, but their
danger society, and I mean that kind of is the
general take is it seems like people are like fun clowns.
Clowns are scary, so it's not super surprising, but it
is interesting to me that they're still so salient that
It chapter two was set the record for the biggest

(55:48):
September opening and biggest horror movie opening, outpaced only by
IT Chapter one. Uh. And then also the Venice Film
Festival gave out its awards at the end to the festival,
and the Golden Lion, which has been given to movies
like Raschmann, Broke Back Mountain and Roma, went to the

(56:08):
Joker movie Joker, which pretty wild. That's pretty big departure
for a comic book movie to get the award um
even though this is apparently less comic book movie than
like Taxi Driver influenced character study, but clowns are still
a powerful symbol apparently. I don't know why. Is it
because there's like a generation of us who absolutely did

(56:33):
not like clowns, Like I feel like baby boomers, Like
my dad, I've seen like photos of like his room
as a kid, and there was like clowns shit, Like
I remember my grandparents as they would have some clowns
shipped up, and I'm like, this is like, yeah, no,
my grandma collected clowns, right, And then like maybe maybe
then our parents weren't so into the clowns, and then
now we're like full on, like your clowns are fucked

(56:55):
up and weird. Like I don't know if it's is
it Is it a the passage of time. Is it
just purely because we or or maybe we're introduced to
more examples of clowns being like possibly weird with like
John Wayne gaycy Art or like the other Ship. Yeah,
it does seem like a it's tapping into maybe something

(57:15):
like it's just such a break from the past. Like
how I inherently respond to the clown versus how like
my grandmother collected them and thought they were like cute,
like little ceramic clowns. Maybe the minority. I find clowns
neither scary nor entertaining. I just send them kind of there,
all right. I'm just I'm ambivalent. I don't necessarily like
get upset at the clown, but I'm also like, I'm like, okay, fine.

(57:38):
Do you know I've known people who are like coloraphobic,
and I fucked up around them because I didn't take
it seriously. Try because you showed him like a wild
montage with clowns cut into it unexpectedly. Uh, And you know,
I'm sorry. You gotta jump scared from a did I
did from a coworker, and I had to apologize. I
didn't realize what had happened. But like, in a way

(58:00):
to me, I didn't take it seriously, like yeah, yeah,
you're doing that thing where like culturally you hate clowns.
And I was like, oh no, you have a full
on yeah, take people's phobia seriously. Wah was you know
earlier times? No, I I've done that too. I once
I had a friend in college who was had a
like this role reaction of the word cotton balls, and

(58:21):
uh I was like, oh, yeah right and said it
like a bunch of times and she was like like
really it really fucked her up. Um anyway, we're just
called two horrible people now host a podcast. But it's
still like, why is the joker the character that has
brought out like some of the best performances in film
like the It's just interesting to me that like a

(58:44):
clown bad guy would be the character that draws these,
you know, iconic performances out when that as a cultural
u symbol has become sort of irrelevant or maybe it's
just been co opted. I don't know. Symbolically, I think
it really sums up like the waning influence of like
white men in America just in general, to like a

(59:08):
clown right, Like most of the time, this character is
an impotent man who isn't achieving at the rate of
the other men around him, and then puts on a
face to obscure that inner failure and the clown right,
and then resorts to again. I talked about this all
the time. When you are if you feel powerless, the
next if you cannot create, then you will destroy, And

(59:30):
that's the next way you can feel potent is by saying, well,
if I can't build the things I want, I can
destroy the things around me with great effectiveness, which is
another thing the Joker does. So I don't know, there's
like you know, there's there's many layers I think to
just sort of like what the Joker could. Yeah, that
was pretty that was great analysis. I just think it's

(59:51):
because they're cute. I don't know, he's got a red
note but also too, but you know, shout, it's the
clowns too. I recently saw like a clowning show, like
proper French clowning. That's that's that really is an art form.
I think if people got in touch with that style
of conning, we would maybe we respect our clowns. Baskets
was a good show, is it is? It? Actually? Uh

(01:00:13):
funny the French clowning that you saw it because they
all have different emotions, so there are ones. It was
more impressive to me as performance, like what the what
the clowns can symbolize? And you know, the facets of
our humanity? Well, ship man, that sounds pretty weird anyway,
it's pretty well, you should go man, j k that's

(01:00:36):
been a pleasure having you on the daily Zeitgeist. You
had me on your show Try Too long ago. That's right,
you were a guest on Go Fact yourself. That episode
is available now if just came out. Yeah, it just
came out on Friday. So it was a lot of fun.
Wherever wherever you get, you can go to go factor
pod dot com wherever we get podcasts. It was you
versus Jennif Friedman, and I'm not gonna say who won,

(01:00:58):
but your topic was Jaws too, so yes, you then
you must have won. I got I got to meet
the writer of Jaws too, less importantly also the writer
of Jaws, but mainly he is the writer of Jaws Too.
That's gonna be on his tombstone. You know that you
were going to meet the writer. No, I had no idea.
I didn't even know. So I had given Jaws to

(01:01:20):
uh Wuten clan albums like solo albums between thirty six
Chambers and ever and uh yeah, and I didn't know
which of those it was going to be, right, right,
right right? Uh and they they wouldn't tell me. I
tried really hard. I showed up at Jakie's house. Uh

(01:01:42):
you know, banging on the door at three and yeah,
we were having game night that we couldn't live. Yeah,
steal the topic, but yeah, and then I was I
was pretty wild and it was awesome. You get some
insight into uh questions all of you have always had
about Jaws too. Uh so, uh, where where else can

(01:02:04):
people find you? So go factor pod and uh go
factor about dot com and then on Twitter and Instagram
and all that. It's at go Factor pod. And then
I met j Underscore Keith. And I want to say
that every time I've been here, I've mentioned a place
that I'm going and have ended up meeting thanking people there.
So the first time I uh, I met people in Charlotte,
which was awesome. And then last time I was here,
I mentioned I was going to Sydney. Ended up with

(01:02:25):
a couple of people at a bar in Sydney were
really cool. I wish I had I don't have. My
next upcoming trip is Brazil, but not until November, so
we have time. All the people in South come out. Yes,
it was, It's It's really funny. It's nice. You know,
I love meeting people when I travel, and I'm often
traveling solo, so it's really really cool to do that.
And we just did a couple of live shows of

(01:02:47):
Go Factor yourself in Chicago, UM, and one of the
people who shot up was wearing I was like a
T shirt so than out here. I appreciate it very much.
It's always you say when you're here your family. You
said that I get some more breads. Moment also hospital
that is there is there a tweet you've been enjoying
by any chance? I was, well, I love Daniel Dale's tweets, uh,

(01:03:09):
following him fact check the President, and he had one,
Uh that was just so again everyone's in a while
realize how crazy crazy it is. So okay. So apparently
Trump tweeted this thing about Mark Sanford now is going
to run in the primary, UM and all that, and
he he made a reference to Mark Sanford how he
was found in Argentina with his flaming dancer friend. And
I was and I couldn't figure out what flaming danser was.

(01:03:31):
And Daniel Dale says, by flaming dancer, the president means
flamingo dancer, so it's flamenco. Though there's no evidence the
woman in question, a former journalist, has ever been a
Flamenco dancer. So I just love how how cold Stone
accurate and journalistic he is and yet also pointing out
all this absurdity. And he'll point out like just different
things that Trump says that indicates this is about to
be a lie. This is the thirty six time he

(01:03:52):
said this. So Daniel Dale Is it's at d Dale eight.
He was at the Toronto Star. Now he's at the CNN.
It's just a great follow just like just so a
matter of fact, and also just makes you realize how
crazy all this is, and but also makes me feel
a little more sane for for somebody fact checking it
and realizing, Okay, I'm not crazy for seeing that this
is crazy. Yeah, it's always nice to have that voice. Miles.

(01:04:12):
Where can people find you? Um, It's just a funny
thing about Mark Sanford. I remember when he was I
think when he was having to resign from being governor
of South Carolina. There was some a fair thing going
on yea where he referred to some I think it
was his basement or friends basement he was hiding out
in as Jurassic Park, and we'd call it Jurassic Park.
It was just like he said it really out of nowhere,

(01:04:34):
and people like, what the funk are you talking about?
Like you're talking about you've been laying low from the
press because you've been fucking Jurassic Park, which is someone's basement. Anyway.
By the way, my my date for to night just canceled.
Oh well, then we can go to loose filas. Let's
meet up at alcohols. Let's do it. Okay, I don't
know what any of that means, where people like I

(01:04:55):
don't know, a great date spot, huge garden, big portions,
baker Man, a slice of cake there will set your
blood sugar back. A few whatever things you can set
your blood sugar back for me, Yes, miles of gray.
On Twitter and Instagram, a tweet that I'm liking is
from Michael Tannenbaum at I am Tannenbaum. Uh. This says

(01:05:18):
every mind Hunter episode, holding, did you kill her killer? Nope? Holding,
we heard your dick game was weak, sauce killer. I
killed her in eight her arm for breakfast that dragon.
That technique still works. Yeah, Yeah, it's like creation couple tweets.
I've been enjoying a big idiot at w w w

(01:05:41):
v v v v www tweeted vibing so hard to imagine.
Dragon's radio active. I take a corner going too fast
in my cruiser and roll my car instantly killing my
wife and children. I don't know why that maybe laugh
out because it's so vivid and somehow you don't have

(01:06:05):
empathy for this character. It's like, yeah, you would fucking
roll your fucking and also like that's probably happened. Like
who We don't know what causes fatal car accidents, Like
maybe maybe someone was too hard to read, and maybe
like a song that was just too lit like came
out the day before and that's why fatal car accident spiked.

(01:06:28):
We don't know, We don't know. Uh, and Aliens Geared tweeted, sorry,
I can't go to the party anymore. I was normally
optimistic at the time. Uh, and that is how I
feel most of the time. Uh. You can find me
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(01:06:52):
our no no where we link off to the information
that we talked about in Today's episode, as well as
the song we ride out on What's that Gonna be Today?
The track We're gonna write out on us from j
Rob J dot R O B B. It's called Dance
with Me One Word. I don't know if this is
on other platforms. It's on SoundCloud because this is you know,

(01:07:12):
more sort of delay of you know, sample based I
pod beat um just to kind of like it's Tuesday.
You know, we're just warming up, so just let's loosen
our necks and our backs on our shoulders with some
head nod music, some headphone music and then you know
we'll start to turn it up as a days on alright.
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