June 27, 2025 • 53 mins
In episode 1887, Jack and Miles are joined by writer, playwright, and co-host of The Inner Cities Podcast, A. Zell Williams, to discuss…Zohran And How to Build Off This, Federal Judges Sides With AI Company In Copyright Case and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Oh you fuck with Arsenal, you name every player, because
when he posted that, I had tears in my eyes.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm like zoring.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Every day. This man makes everybody fall in love with
him just a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's I I'm suspicious. I know it's the
The thing that really fucked me up is him walking
the length of New York and not get not being
absolutely drenched and yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well okay, I did see a couple of videos where
clearly he was smart. He wore a white shirt and like,
if you sweat a lot, it kind of does kind
of just become this kind of.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Translate pastes to your body.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It made me respect him more.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But there's somebody like my shirt effect and like, whoa,
he's ripped under there. Then everyone's like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Every everything his messiness like leads to people being like,
and he's hotter than we thought. Hello the Internet, and
welcome to season three ninety four, Episode five of Deady's Guy.
The exciting conclusion of season three ninety four, one of
(01:08):
my favorite seasons of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It's actually been the best season, one of the best personally,
I think for us. The amount of kind words that
have been uttered to us.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Our guests are like so nice, our listeners even nicer. Yeah, yeah,
the listeners too nice. We've gotten some guest bookings on
the horizon that we won't reveal as of yet, but
very exciting. And we've got a guest booking today that
we're very excited about. You. But this is a podcast
where we take a deep dab into American shared consciousness.
(01:38):
It's Friday, June twenty since twenty since twenty seventh, twenty
twenty five. I'm coming in on a full William H.
Macy and Fargo. I was a sweat flop, sweat everywhere,
like just doing my best not to punch the steering wheel,
just being like fuck because I my internet died right
(02:00):
as we were about to start recording. Drove into the office,
which is only ten minutes, realized I left my keys
to the office at home, drove back home. So we're
coming to you like forty minutes later than we were
supposed to, all on account of me just having that
real good William H. Macy, just everything collapsing around the energy,
(02:23):
But thank you for your patience, My dear co host,
What's happening on June twenty seven?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh sorry, I was just so disappointed Jack that you
just took so long. It was I thought, you know,
my abandonment issues, so I had some stuff going on.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
With my family too, is very triggering. I mean, so it's.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Okay, it's oh look, it's National Sunglasses to Day, National
onion Day, National ice cream cake Day, National orange blossom Day,
National HIV Testing Day, and National PTSD Awareness Day.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
So yeah, great, I love a sunglass.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Do you call it song? Just put my sunglasses a long?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh shit, Okay, onions, orange blossoms, great ice.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, althay. If I had an HIV tester, you know,
orange blossoms or any of those things, I would partake
on those as well. That's that's a weird thing that
radio DJs are always doing. They're always wearing sunglasses indoors.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I mean, that's like the eighties movie version of a
radio detail always.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
That's the last time I pitched.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think as someone who's worked a radio never seen
somebody wear shades.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
That was the DJ on.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The artists will come in on some cool ship and
wear sunglasses, but the DJ is never they're working, and
they're always wearing sweatpants.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I'm too sleepy to wear sunglasses in the morning and
you think it's put you to sleep. Yeah, just put
me right asleep. Like, what is the bedtime names Jack
O'Brien aka let me Sleep, let me slumber? Why the
hell won't you open up? Are you just stupid? Oh?
(03:58):
I see your stupid. That one courtesy of New Chris
New christ Ventures with Old Christine. Is that something I
don't know? It's something I wrote this morning. It's uh
that that was a song from written from the perspective
of my youngest when I wouldn't let him into our
room when we were trying to do a sleep training.
(04:21):
Just roasted me for like forty five minutes straight.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Hey, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
co host, mister Miles grad.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, straight off the streets of the San Fernando Valley
is the Lord of Lankersham, the show gun.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
With no gun.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
It's Miles great. Thank you for having me. It's great
to be also, it's great to have you Miles. Well,
I just want to say up tob des Moines, zeit gang.
I'm going to be in your city this weekend. I
need recommendations, need to know where where do where do
the where do the fine people of des Moines. Where
do ZiT gang go?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You know?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Where's the food that I need to eat? I want
to hear from y'all because I love y'all. Trust y'all,
And if you see me in the streetside, what's up?
But but do it you know politely?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah, yeah, awesome, that'll be fun. I don't know you're
going to des Moines?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah for a winning it's.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You know, obviously, I'm not going to miss out on
a chance to go to the great state of Iowa.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Never Miles. We're thrilled to be joined in our third
seat by an award winning playwright whose work has been
developed and performed at the Public Theater in New York,
Interact Theater in Philadelphia, the Royal Court in London.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
What the fuck is? What's he doing on this show?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
What is he doing on this show?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Because you like the show?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
He's written on shows on TV from NBC's Law and Order, SVU,
BT's American Soul, DMC's critically acclaimed Interview with a Vampire.
What Oh. He also co hosts the podcast The Inner
Cities Podcast. So all right, all right? That makes me
feel better?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Brings it back?
Speaker 6 (05:55):
Down a podcasts a podcaster.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Please welcome to the show, Hey Zell, Well.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, thank you for having me. God Williams. But let's
hear it for Zorn Canada, who actually does shit.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, it won't have it, but we love z all wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It was good to feel good.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Doesn't it feel good to feel good?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
It was just all my good feelings were.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I didn't realize that I was reading so many takes
from people who are like, you know, a lot of
leftists progressive have been just sort of conditioned into believing
something like this was basically beyond reach, like a win
like that, And I think that's why I was so
this whole process, We're like.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is it okay?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Is this for real?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Surely?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Is this gonna get fucking destroyed? Right, because that's what
always happens every time this thing happens, and we think, oh,
we're moving forward, are we tuesday?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
That their inner voice is Natasha Leoni? By the ways, Yeah,
that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I'm gonna happen here.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I could not believe it, and I refuse to believe
it until he started talking, like until he gave his speech,
like I was like, Okay, there this this isn't this
could happen? I might have to go back. I used
to live in a story and I left in twenty sixteen,
and I'm like, do I do I need to go back?
Is that what I's happened to?
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Do?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I need to feel this?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Man, thank you guys for having me. I love the show,
big fan.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Oh thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, insane,
but we're thrilled to have you. That's how did you
like this show? You should talk to a therapist about
liking this show. No, We're that's very nice to hear,
and we're very happy to have you.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Very flattered.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
We're going to get to know you a little bit
better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the
listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. We
are going to talk about Zorn's success and how the
New York Times is dealing with it, because that's mainly
what I'm worried about, Like how are they gonna hang
in there.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
With this, How they're gonna keep it together?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
How are they gonna keep it together? We'll talk about that.
We will talk about just what the latest in the
world of AI. We got a federal judge with an
AI company and copyright case and all that plenty more.
But first, Zell, we do like to ask our guests,
what is something from your search history that's revealing about
who you are?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Ninja rocks? Do you guys know what ninja rocks are?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
No, so it's like pipe rock theory.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, so rock rock right now?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah? Correct, right now? I know ninja rock. So I've
seen a lot of videos recently of people actively throwing
their bodies in front of like ice SUVs to keep
their neighbors from being like a legally kidnapped, and it's
very impressive. I love that, but I'm really really scared
because these like chicken shits have no problem adding vehicular
assaults to like the crimes they're already doing of like
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kidnapping and disappearing people. And then I remembered, or I
started to remember something from my teenage years which I
definitely never ever experimented with by the train tracks in Fresno, California,
called ninja rocks. And basically it's this thing that I
need to stress is wildly illegal if you are caught
having them. Everybody needs to understand that. But if the
choice is between getting hit by a car and spraying
(09:09):
auto glass in the face of the Gestapo. If you
take the ceramic from a spark plug.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
The colloquial term for that is ninja rocks. And I
was thinking one day, like, what was that thing I
was really fascinated by as a teenager that would make
like auto glass explode? And I'm just like, at some point,
the fact that we have allowed the federal government to
allow mass people to just grab folks on the street
compared to maybe just having something in case you happen
(09:42):
to find into a car, it feels weird because like
I I, you know, I also have lived in Los
Angeles this entire time during the hellscape. We've all survived somehow,
some way, guys, and it's been weird to just be
riding my bike through a perfectly fine neighborhood but also
have a national conversation about how falling apart, which is
not true. So, like, I think we all need to
(10:03):
be looking at alternatives for in case a car happens
to decide our human life has no value, just saying.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, what are the options?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I see a lot of people they're also saying you
should throw glitter on them glitter is.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Legal because they can't get it off glitter.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I've also seen, you know, people being like, how do
you make spike strips that kind of search term pop up.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
This is just a podcast where we talk about what
is trending in the zeitgeist, and we're just talking about
what's trends.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
We're just talking about We're just talking about.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
We're identifying trends and those trends.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
The other thing I.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
See too, is like a lot of times you see
people really like pull their cars around like these uh,
masked goons whoever the fuck they are, and like try
and block them in, but then someone comes out with
like a machine gun and tells them to back up.
I'm like people just be like parking their car and
taking the keys out and just split and being like
all right, yeah try and this rab four.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But yeah, it's it's it's it's truly wild.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Like just so many moments you see people who are
like in total disbelief that they are this is like
the interaction that they're having, but it's yeah, this is
just the norm now. And now they're using facial recognition,
like the the stuff that you like when you enter
the country and they take a photo of you, they're you.
They're accessing that data base now to facial like use
facial recognition to like identify people that are getting in
(11:20):
the way or like harassing the goons. It's really fucking
dark out there, so have you.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
So I just I am new to Ninja rocks and
I do just want to like it. We'll link off
to this reddit demonstration of what they are, because like
what just googling it and like your description of it.
I thought I had a sense of what it was,
but I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Like big no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I thought it was like I.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Was like, oh, a rock, like a ninja star that's
like a full rock and there's like little points going. Ever, no,
it's like literally like little shards of a spark that
come off a spark look and again, illegal to have.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
In your pocket in case the scots stop you. I
want to stress yet.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
But when you throw just a tiny little thing at
the glass, the glass shatter, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And I feel like better than getting hit by a car.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And it's harder. Like again, you can't really google it.
It's it's not that easy to find other than on
the reddit you can find YouTube.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I I because I actually could not remember. I thought
I thought they were called Ninja rocks, and I was like,
I think that's the thing I came up with when
I was a kid, because I like ninja turtles or something.
And then it turns out no, the was Ninja rocks.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I just love Wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
There's from the American Ceramics Society and it said video
Ninja Rocks exploit ceramics dark side.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Amazing, Oh the hidden side of cerami.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Your mother never told you this in pottery class?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Exactly?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah, Zelle, what's some of the things underrated? Uh?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Ceres Castle, I think you're ad in mine. So I
think Seres is LA's best journalist, like working right now.
She was a guest on my podcast The Inner Cities
and we did it on YouTube and it's the first
time we did that and it worked out really well.
But like cerse has this ability to find local LA
stories that have impact nationally, and I think she's prominently
(13:12):
known for exposing sheriff games back in twenty twenty one
with her piece on La Taco. She has now moved
to a new group called Capital in Maine, and she
has been following the story of Aby Hernandez Aby Hernandez
is a student athlete who has been targeted by their
own school superintendent for being trans and she has been
(13:34):
performing very, very well, but she's also being beaten by
other young women who've identified as women since birth, so
just proving that there's really no case here. And she's
having adults who have no children in the school whatsoever,
come to her meets and harass her. And she was
also targeted by President Trump and a true social statement,
(13:57):
which I think again, Soerice is like, has been on
top of stories that have such deep resonance and that
you may not even be realizing is happening in your community.
And I just love her death. So check out series,
follow her on everything, Follow any journalists she suggests to follow,
because I gotta be honest with you. I you know,
also doing a podcast where we talk about the news.
(14:18):
I basically stop looking at American journalism. When it comes
to stories about American I go to the Guardian, I
go to like Lemon because speak a little French. But
when it comes to yeah, like, when it comes to stories,
I'm looking directly at the intercept. I'm looking like occasionally wired,
Wired's still good, but like it's hard. So you got
to support these Yeah, yeah is the best.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, just like hyper local, like deep reporting on stories.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And so fucking just so devoted to truth and speaking
truth to power and at any I mean like just
thinking of the like the harassment she was getting after
the LASD Gangs thing and just does not stop her.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I don't know if she ever said this publicly. She
had to hire a bodyguard during that year.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, we heard about that yet.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, Like it's crazy. He's the best, He's amazing, totally.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
What is something you think's over it?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Unions that don't support other unions and this one might
get me in trouble. So this spring, the Writers Guild
of America, which I've been part of since twenty fourteen,
their staff voted to unionize, and I am very thrilled
for them. I was a Writer's Guild captain during the
strike in twenty twenty three the entire time. We could
(15:34):
not have won that without the staff. I don't know
if people realized it. It wasn't just writers out there.
The administrators of the staff, the lawyers of the staff,
the accounts of the staff. They were all there setting
up our pickets and managing them for us and occasionally
like dealing with emergency response and instances, so they are amazing.
They were the backbone of the strike. When the staff
(15:55):
decided to organize, they were met with what I would
consider to be a little more resistance than I would
hope from another union, and it was really disappointing. The
most upsetting thing of this is that the the WGA
fired a labor labor organizer named Fatima Mareta, and Fatima
was an organizer for La Hotels before she came to
us to help out, and she really did this groundwork
(16:17):
to make it more than just like TV writers demanding
more money. We were picketing and marching with hotel workers
in this town, and we showed up at their rallies.
It was really really amazing, and I felt I felt
really for the first time, particularly being like a working
class kid who whose mom had a union job, and
that's the only reason I was able to go to
college and become a writer in from Fresno, which I
(16:41):
feel like people don't understand how far that is from
LA even though it's not really that far from LA,
it's very far from LA. I felt a kinship and
a community that I have not really felt all the time,
I without being in the actual thing, in the actual
like Writers Guild Staff Union, which is what it's called,
(17:01):
the Writers' Guild Staff Union. I don't know what happened.
They said they let her go from cause, but the
union itself is asking the Writers Guild to reinstate Fatima,
and I really support this. I really really am saddened
that this has been the reaction of the Writers Guild
because I showed up at three am for pickets because
my union asked me too. When I was harassed by
studio lots during this picket, I still showed up. When
(17:24):
I was sometimes harassed by WGA members who didn't like
me asking them to not get hit by a car,
I still showed up. And I will always have more
solidarity with Fatima, who is an immigrant who worked for
like working class people in this town than I ever
will the like white millionaires who were constantly giving speeches
and telling me what to do that time. I'm really upset.
(17:46):
If I could give a piece of action to people
to zeitgang like, go to their instagram, the WGA Staff
Union Instagram and just follow them and say congratulations. That's
all you have to do. If you are a WGA member,
and this is the first time you're hearing about this.
You need to ask your captain why this happened and
let them know that it upsets you because she was
(18:07):
an amazing labor organizer. And it's really really sad what
the guilds do. They're not even talking about it. They
said she was fired for cause, and I know enough
people in the staff to know that that's not a
good enough answers.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
All.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I will say, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
So's the staff of the Guilt newly.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Formed in April. They they fired her the day before
they announced their formation, which is sus Writers Guild Staff Union.
Is what you should look for on Instagram. Just follow them,
and if you're in the guild, be nice, be nice
about asking the question.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, all right, great, overhanded, underrated.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
We are gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
We're gonna come back.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
We're gonna talk about We're gonna check in on our
friends at the New York Times see how they're dealing
with all this upheaval, all the stunning, shocking changes of
be right back and we're back, We're back, and yeah,
(19:14):
so I just I just want to read the headline
and then the sort of subhead from the New York
Times one Zorn's mayoral win primary win, uh said, Donnie
success in mayoral primary reverberates beyond New York City. Yeah
that makes sense, yeah, yeah yeah. And then as Zorammdanni
(19:36):
pledges major changes after his apparent primary win, national Democrats
are looking for lessons and Republicans see a new political target.
So that's the headline that you would have if the
Democrats like that sounds like it's bad news for the Democrats. Yeah,
the Democrats are looking for answers or lessons and the
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Republicans are licking their chops.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I mean that the news for them because he's showing
that like, if you actually give people what they want,
they will vote for you. And now the Democrats are
going to have to do that for shame.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
What I didn't read the article.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
When they say they're looking for lessons, Did they mean
that to say this is potentially a new path for Democrats,
like they can learn from this, or they're like how
did they fuck up? And not added to Quomo not
win lessons a.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Little bit of that. I mean, there's there's a lot
of donors in there who are like, well, we're just
gonna have to solidify behind Mayor Eric Adams now. And
then there's one donor who said, I feel like people
misunderstood my two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for Cuomo
for real enthusiasm. It was basically, oh, looks like Cuomo's
(20:46):
coming back. We don't want to be shut out. Let's
try and get on his good side.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I wish I had two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
I could spend unenthusiastically.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, yeah, like, oh, don't mix that up for enthusias.
That's just a cour that's a cool quest, or a
million just just to keep my name a little just
in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's it. Don't take that.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Don't want to be shut out.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
But yeah, I mean, I mean it was that or
another another house that I could flip. So I just
decided one less flippable house.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah that's right. Yeah, already have five of those. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
But it's just I don't know. It seems like so
much of the democratic establishment is powered by either people
voting for them or donating to them, because that's who
they think always wins, and they're like the lesser of
two evils. That's really like, how where their power comes from,
(21:39):
and their brand is currently catastrophic failure to do the
obvious thing they needed to do to win. That's what
the last big moment they had, Well, they give it.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Let them fail so that in nine months then they
can say, look how they fail and we'll all be dead.
But they can.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Say that, right, like how we killed our base.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Whoops, it's really giving Nico And like the the Luca trade,
it's just bad because I just like the what the
Democrats did in the twenty twenty four election, where like
they came in, had like a little spark at the start,
and we're like, we're gonna call them weird, We're gonna
(22:22):
like talk about price gouging and shit like that, and
then immediately started like tacking right and just ignoring what
everybody in their base like knew they should do. Is like, yeah,
it's it's giving Nico. Like the ninety eight percent of
their fans and supporters would have done a better job
than they just did. And it was like a highly public,
(22:44):
highly consequential this series of decisions that they just failed
at in a way that we were like, well that
seems wrong, like over and over repeatedly.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
You know what, I mean yes, and it's the same
thing they did in twenty twenty. I won't. I'm still
upset about March twenty twenty when Bernie was doing okay
and then like Amy klover Jar and Buddha Judge and
everybody was just like, oh shit, let's just jump behind
the centrist and it's it's it's them attacking what their
voters actually want like they it's it's it's we're never
(23:16):
going to freaking learn this lesson of doing slow Fascism
is what I think the Democrats are pitching to us,
because it's like they keep saying like, oh, democracy is
in danger. We have to do things that like actually
in it, like energize people, and then Zoron comes out
here and is like, I'm a freezer rent. I'm actually
going to do some price controls for food. I'm not
(23:37):
saying you got a shop at the NYC grudge shop
at the grit do it. I don't care. I'm gonna
make buses fast and free. None of this is bad.
Like the fact that the Democrats, which are supposed to
be the opposition party, have like you know, Hakim Jeffries,
I think a couple like right after the election finally
said like I'm gonna sit down and talk to this
(23:58):
or really really like a year into his or two
years into him running for this seat, you finally decided
that you're going to You're going to stand for the
guy who is not the sexual predator. You're going to
stand for the guy who was not killing people's grandmas.
And like it's I'm still trying to understand why Andrew
Cuomo thought he could come back, because it's like that
was three years ago. Dog like some of us have
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like COVID brain, but not that I remember my grandma.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
That you did. The established I mean, I think all
these establishment Democrats, whether they're like part of the infrastructure
of the party or the politicians themselves, they just think
it's it's still nineteen ninety eight or some shit like
they're thinking is stuck there and they don't even see
like what the what the consequences are of them constantly
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knocking back a perceived leftist or hyper ultra left wing
policy in favor for something that looks more like two.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Thousand and four Republicans yea, And they're like they're pitches
fascism you can sleep through. And he's like, change that
you can believe in, and they're like, I think we
want the fascism you can sleep through. I think that's
what people prefer. They've been doing it for like a
decade now. It's it's brunch. Fascism is what you can get,
and that's pretty what. You know.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Some people are insulated enough that they're fine with a
world like that, but the majority of us that live
in this country are absolutely not. And I think they
don't realize that. Every time they knock one of these
policies back, they're saying fuck you to all the people
that stood to benefit from that policy. They don't realize that.
But when they say every time they don't take action
on police brutality and shit like that, they lose people. Okay,
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every time they've pump faked codifying row, they lose people.
Every Time they don't take aggressive action to fight corporate greed,
they lose people. Every time they don't they fucking fail
the dreamers. They lose people. So how the fuck do
they think they're gonna get him back by being like, well,
we're gonna do some really cheeky rezoning to help some
you know, this luxury condo will have fourteen affordable units,
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within it.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Like at a time and place of our choosing. That's
the summary of just being like we're gonna do that
at a time and place of our choosing.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, I don't think they realize, you know, because again,
so much of the power in the Democratic Party is
either old or is capitulating to the old I e.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Hockey and Jeffries.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And it's just like they don't realize the word socialism
is not it's not nineteen fifty eight. Like kids aren't
scared of that.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Like most like nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
In this I mean they talk like it's nineteen fifty eight.
I mean like fucking day after, not even a day
after he wins. It's just like there's gonna be a
nine eleven in New York.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's gonna be his fault.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
It's like, yeah, okay, first of all, whatever, I don't
know where to begin.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
With that, but like because oh, because it was Juliani's
fault too, Is that what I know?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I was just saying because he's a Muslim, that that's
that that equals nine to eleven. Okay, cool, yeah, you're
you're naked. Islamophobia also ain't hidden.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, but like I don't think. I don't think my niece.
I have a five sisters, so I have billion nieces
and laftews. I don't think these kids under like they're
not even kids anymore, most of young adults, but like
socialism is not a scary thing to them. Like a
lot of them, they grew up in a world where
they could see a kid in a country that had
like socialist leaders, and they're fine. They're perfectly fine. I'm
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and I'm a big fan of France. I talk about
it way too much, as my friend tell me. But
like the mayor of France is a socialist France. Yeah,
an Hildago, she's this amazing socialist who has been pushing
through like things like making France even more. Sorry, Mayor,
I said, Mayor France, forget me, don't judge me French people.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
American right now, I know, Oh god, you have no
idea how deeply you cut me by pointing that out
the mayor of Paris.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I was confused because I was willing to be like, oh,
maybe that this is just a position.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I no, no, no, no, no, I wish, Mayor, I actually
I don't wish, but like an Hildago, the mayor of Paris,
specific with the city of Parents, which is not France.
I know that French people forgive me uh is a
socialist and has been making the city bikable and walkable.
And guess what, she's not the left most leftist party
in the country. Like it's it's there are wonderful things
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that can happen if your party makes their core. We
actually want to distribute wealth and resources, and and younger
people know that. And frankly, I think they I think
they finally understand that we've been conning them this whole
time with this idea that like America just is the best.
It's like, no, we can I got, I got fucking TikTok.
Like I can see people going to like on vacation
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for months.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
And America once. That's why they're undermining us. Yeah, that's exactly,
That's how they That's how they win.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
America is like a like a like an ultra sports
car from the eighties. But every year you get further
from the eighties, the more it looks like shit, you
know what I mean, And you're like, oh, no, bro
blowing up in that. It looks fucking weird now, and
people are like, hey man, it's a Ferrari or whatever,
it's a Doorian.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
These yeah, could really go for like fifteen seconds.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
But like what Zorin is even you know, a lot
his policies aren't necessarily like capital s socialism either, Like
these are things like that you would have seen FDR
like get behind. It's like, hey man, we got to
make some food affordable. How about we expand the ability
for people to take care of their kids and you know,
but these again, these are things that are just straight
to the point because he's consistent around the concept of
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shit costs too much and we need to do something
that the people will actually feel like when you say it,
they go, ah, yes, that rather than bureaucratic like wonk
talk and they're like, oh great, a three point the
three percent, Like what.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Like you start talking shit like that.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
People don't understand free buses, yes, right, price controlled supermarket great, yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Know, free things for new parents, how dare you?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:56):
But that's why I think it's so dangerous, so difficult
for the mainstream to deal with is just the one
thing that they had that the Democrats had was the
idea that they were the path, like they were the
practical path, like the you know, socialism is nice in theory,
you can't win elections. It scares people, and then you.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Know, people wildly vote for it.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah, and then everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Votes for it.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
And there I think now they're like, well, it doesn't
you can't actually do it. But I just want to
read this other quote from the article. But with Democrats
shut out of power in Washington and focused on taking
back the House next year, it remains unclear how closely
senior lawmakers will embrace mister Momdani as they try to
flip battleground districts where his far left stances might alienate voter.
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It is, of course no acknowledgment that this very publication
where this is being written was saying this very same
thing about his policies in New York City, right, Like
they were like New York is tacked right and like
traditionally like they've been open to voting for Democrats and Republicans.
Oh and also it is the like this is said
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elsewhere in the article, it is the fucking capital of capitalism.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It is the.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Capital of capitalism. They just voted for a socialist and
they're like, well that couldn't work anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh, so said it couldn't work there as far as
I know, those ago those people don't eat food or
have babies to take care of in that in those
battle ground states.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
So I don't know if these policies will fucking appeal, Like,
are be for real?
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah? Where is this place they're talking about? Because like
I will Okay, granted again, I come from Fresnoe, California.
It's a very conservative air part of California. They may be,
they may still be afraid of like the term socialism,
But if you just talk to people about like, yo,
do you want your house to be like less expensive? Right,
they're down? Would you like eggs to just be a
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normal price? Again?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Absolutely down for it? Like do you have a problem
giving a new mother some supplies to get started with?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
What what? What kind of monster would? No one is
against these policies. They're against the the fear mongering that
you do around it. They're against this idea that somehow
raising the tax on the wealthiest people in your town
is going to impact most people, when in actuality, if
you go back to when you keep talking about what
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America was great, those people would have been paying like
fifty percent taxes.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's insane.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, I mean, like and then I think people people
are beginning to realize that like all the fear around
you know, a wealth like progressive taxes on the wealthy,
they're they're ambiently getting all that fear from the media
that they fund, you know what I mean. So like
at a certain point of taka, like, do I know
somebody who's actually get fucked over by these progressive wealth taxes?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Actually I stand a benefit from all these other policies.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
So this is a dec There's also.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Like the amount of just bed pissing from the Democratic
consultant class is so telling that I think that they
are I think they do see that they are losing.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Their grip a bit, like on the party.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And because this is where it's getting real, Like we've
been saying since the election, like the next fight for
the Democrats is who is going to be at the
wheel of this party. Is it going to be the progressives,
Is it going to be where all this energy is
right now? Or are they going to do everything they
can to just rest control again and drag this thing
to the right. This one strategist told political quote, it
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is extremely alarming that the only candidates who genuinely excite
our voters are the ones making absolutely insane promises on
politically toxic positions. That's their take on what has just happened.
That's how they're trying to spin that, is that like,
this is all fucking stupid quote leaving us in the
spot of trying to execute on bad policy and losing
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terribly or failing to keep our promises, and reinforcing the
idea that all politics is bullshit.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, okay, okay, So.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Again, I think we're saying all of their reflexive habits
of just spending money on studies and going for a
superficial deregulation and like zoning reform is just not working anymore,
And I think this must be This feels kind of
like probably what never trumpers were thinking when Trump stepped
on the scene in twenty fifteen, that were like they
did fucking everything. They're like, bro, get this guy out
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of here. He's doesn't know what the fuck time. It is,
like we have our own neo con shit that we're
on that we're really we've protected this thing. We have
all the money, we control the media. Let's say we
can get this guy out the box.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
But they fucking couldn't.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
They could not, They couldn't. And he's still fucking won.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And I think he just again he had an appeal
sadly to the voters that felt like the party wasn't
really following through on their like racial grievances, and Trump
was there for that, and they're like, yeah, you know what,
that's kind of what I'm kind of what I've been missing,
really and in this, in this and with Mamdani, he's
appealing to the voters who are fucking sick and tired
of the Democrats just failing to liver and just talking
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around things getting better, and they don't realize that that's
what's happening. It's like the ship gets hollowed out and
somebody's offering what you want.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
They're all gonna move.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
This way now, so and there, And again you look
at all the money they spent trying to smear mom Donnie,
like all the those fucked up attack ads trying to
paint him as a terrorist and ship. And he's still
fucking won. And I think again, there's I think they're
they're starting to be like, fuck man like, but but
we don't do stuff that's going against the status quo.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
We're they're a fuck.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
We're the constant gardeners of the status quo.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
And he won by getting people to go out again, Like,
can we just acknowledge that the big factor of last
the last presidential election was a lot of people just
did not want to vote because you gave them the
choice between the crazy guy that they had experienced already
and somebody who was doing a fucking whistle stop tour
with Liz Cheney, Like you we need.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
To excite people. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Yeah, they were like, you know, what would be a
ideas if we ran against Trump with something that is
as close to Jeb Bush as possible, the person that
he'd be in the very first place to make it
clear to everybody.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, please class, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, I was gonna add did you guys see Bill
Ackman's like frantic midnight tweet I heard about People were
saying him and Elon's tweets were real something that night
of the primary. What was his I either, So it's
it's again He's not. I'm not saying Bill Ackman is
a part of the Democratic Party. I am saying he's
one of these people who would literally give money to
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anyone who would stop progressive from doing anything, But, like
he literally said, I woke up in the morning gravely
concerned about New York City. I thought, what.
Speaker 8 (36:43):
Has New York City become that it avowts of an
avowed socialist has supported, who supported defunding the police, whose
solution to lowering food prices is city owned supermarkets, Who
doesn't understand that freezing the rent will only reduce the
supply of housing, who has no experience managing organists, let
alone a city of one hundred million, one hundred billion
(37:04):
dollar budget and two trillion dollar economy, and who believes
that chance of globalizing the are acceptable? When's the democratic primary?
And it's just like every time I see something like that.
By the way, that's the first paragraph of I don't
even know how many paragraphs I'm looking.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
At here, God, but like he is looking literally for
anyone to run against him, and basically saying, I will
fucking destroy democracy in the city of New York before
I allow these people to have a progressive.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Lead, right, And because they see what time it is.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, absolutely, And I'm my big fear and concern, And
I'm sure there are smarter people working with Zoron who
who have thought about this is that the Democratic, the
mainstream establishment Democratic Party having the chance to get like
Bill Eichman money, will trade the city of New York
for that money. And that is what I think we
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all need to be looking out for because if we don't,
if I'm judging the Democratic Party for the for the
next election based on how strongly they support Zorahan going out,
because like the man did it.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
He did it.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
He fought, he fought an established democratic machine legacy, NEPO baby,
he fought the billionaires who were giving him money. He
fought the general racism of America, and he got people
to show up. And if you can't get behind that,
I don't even know if this country even has an
opposition party, the rope up Republicans anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
And I mean that's where I think talk, like serious
talk has to be about, like where where does this
energy go? Because it can't be put They can't be
trusted with the Democrats at all.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, I mean it has to, right, like the Democrats
just need to fucking step up, because yeah, and good luck.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
But again, the thing is right, all of these this
donor class, the consultant class, they see that all this
energy is coming from young people, normal people who aren't
wealthy and are starting to realize, oh, this this inequality
is fucked up, and for them, they're like, shit.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Man, they're fucking realizing that we're fucking drink. We've been
drinking their fucking milkshake for centuries now, and they're getting
behind policies that are actually going to address that.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
I don't want to live in that world.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
We need to stop him. Have you guys ever seen
Dark Knight Rises? I'm aware, yes, yesterday there's a guy
who went on MSNBC and was like, they're talking eat
the Rich. Have you ever seen Dark Knight Rises? The
part where they make the stockbrokers walk on frozen river
and then they fall through? That's I mean, I'm just
saying like, that's like, he's a lot of stammers. Yeah,
(39:38):
he was evoking bane, which is always the sign that
they're in a uh in touch with three.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
I think people forget how Gotham City got, how Gotham
was people were treated like shit, and eventually a rich
person got got and one rich person was like, maybe
I'll do something about.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
This on my watch.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
A let's take a quick break, we'll be right back,
and we're back and update in the world of AI.
A federal judge just ruled in favor of Anthropic, the
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very not evil sounding AI company, and declared that artificial
intelligence developers can train models using published books without authors consent.
Cool cool cool for thoroughly transformative. Is exceedingly transformative, is
what the judge said.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I haven't looked into is.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
This judge, Like, is this judge an AI? Are they
funded by the decision filed Monday and US District Court
for the Northern District of California. Huh, yeah, what's up
in Northern California.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
I don't know, like it's one of them, Valley the Silicone.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Or something, but it was. The suit was brought by
several authors who didn't grant permission for their books to
be used to train AM models, and the judge was like,
that's tough shit. I guess right, yeah, which you know,
some people have pointed out, like I don't know this.
There there are some limits to this, but it does
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create a precedent for courts to favor AI companies over
individuals in AI copyright disputes, and obviously AI companies pretty
well funded as far as I can tell.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, I mean, they're sure the precedent is there. But
I think a lot of people are saying like that
doesn't mean every every court will follow suit.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
But it but it does.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I mean there is a precedent now, But I think, yeah,
this is just you know, the slow, slow creep to
I think, like the large the biggest thing for me,
and you hear a lot of people, a lot of
creative people and artists talk about this in different ways.
Is like, how like, really it's not just like that
the works can be used to just make AI slop
that it can slowly erode our like humanity and our
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will to create things from our own minds, you know
what I mean, And having these tools like that. I'm
sure obviously I think that people who are compelled to
create will always do that. But broadly, if it's like
becomes so easy by and I just type the words
in and now here's a video of the Pope of
you know, making a pizza out of a bed sheet
or whatever, You're like, this is really going to sounds
(42:31):
so sick, that is I look, I just did the
anthropic was pretty cool. But I just all that to
say is I can really see how this really disincentivizes
just even like the learning of an artistic skill. When
when things become created so like out of thin air
so easily, And I think that's just like kind of
the freaky part I think about all the time, like.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
You know, like when anyone can do everything, not to
say that that's a bad thing, but what does that
mean for the process of creating things?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I think you have hit on that because we talked
about this during the strike all the time, because you know,
we were AI was kind of new in the conversation
and we're like, what if they replaced us? And then
we started seeing what AI made and it's like, well,
this is a dog shit yeah, and it'll get better,
I'm sure as it steals from more people. But like,
at its core, there's this thing that I don't think
people are really thinking about.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I don't want to hear what a computer has to
say about being a black man in America. Miles. I
don't know about you, but like.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I'm open, let's see where they're going with us.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
Let's see where this racist day I might be going
with this day.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
It's going to make like the people engage with art
because it resonates with them, and generally people want to
feel a human connection to the source of the art.
I am sorry if you you might be able to
trick people into thinking that, you know, oh, let's just
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let's let's pretend that like Fucking Sinners was made by AI.
Ryan's been lying to us this whole time, right, and
we saw this, this movie that was created by AI.
Once you realize that people not only not only do
people lose engagement with the art and with what they create,
but it loses its place in the in the zeitgeist,
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that is that is what this and this is what
you cannot teach a lot of these like tech bros
And executives. That's what art is is that at its
core is it is a thing that connects with people.
Like Barbie is America's most if you really think about it,
Barbie's in one of America's most absurdist films. When you
think about it, it is about adult who lives in
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an existence and then somehow magically trans transfers into reality
and has to deal with the oppressive the oppressive force
of misogyny. Like that is a crazy concept, and the
thing that makes it work is the connection that everyone
feels to having struggled against that, and I'm you know,
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I'm again, I'm a writer. I obviously have a stake
in this, but like I I think that at I
think that as you go farther down this, it's going
to there's gonna be We're already seeing like fewer and
fewer returns from AI, Like people know what AI slop
is if you're under the age of fifty and you care.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
And they don't like it, Like people.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Are actively rejecting it. Also, it's fucking boiling our fucking ocean,
right yeah, to your point of like I was listening
to some track online and I was like, what.
Speaker 6 (45:33):
The fuck is this just kind of freaky sample they got.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Come to find out it's this French guy who just
like cooks up AI samples and then like flips them.
Speaker 6 (45:43):
They don't really describe themselves as an artist.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
But for me, I immediately was like, ah, all right,
like whatever, like it just like it's like to your
point in like, oh, this was so much more impressive
when you when you cause again someone who makes music,
like you know the time it takes to find a sample,
to to mess with it, to alter it and be
something new, and it's just like, oh no, I just
just do this to kind of find like weird stuff
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and I make other things. It just I don't know,
it just completely took the enjoyment out of it for me.
So yeah, yeah, it's true, like you you want to
connect to another person's creative process through enjoying their art.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Yeah, I feel like people mainly use it. It's like this
look how like weird and like bad this shit, Like
that's the one place I've seen people be like the
hallucination is the point kind of like when the computer
gets really weird and you feel like you're looking at
someone's brain melting, like that's the only good thing.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
But that's such a good point.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
That almost feels like it's just like when someone's like
playing a guitar and like shredding the string, you know,
like it's just it's like the fun of it is
it being used against its purpose.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
The most popular AI is AI that looks like shit,
so we can laugh at it. Yeah, always what it is.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
Yeah all right, well Zelle again, sorry for the truncated
run time. That is my fault, but it's been a truth.
I having you and we can't wait to have you back.
Uh where can people find you? Follow you? Hear you
all that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
You can go to the Inner Cities podcast wherever you
get podcasts. We started doing video podcast as well. You
can go do YouTube dot com slash at the Inner
Cities and you can see the interview I did with series.
And I'm azel Will on most things. I have a
website called azel Will dot com, my Blue Sky and
my ig or azel Will and uh oh yeah. You
(47:28):
can find me on Twitch and I'm actually starting to
do this experiment of writing plays live if you want
to see a playwright struggle writing plays live on Tuesday
nights and then other times I'm on Twitch getting my
ass beat in Street Fighter six, so you can see
that as well.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
So what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Oh oh, Aki Aki is the best and anybody Punk
the God has said a lot of shit about Aki.
You need to stop talking about my girl. You're mad
because you know she's good Punk. I respect you, don't
don't come at me. I'm sorry. If you know the FGC,
if you know the Fighting game community, I just stepped
to a person I should not and I already regret it.
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I am the j Cole.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, I didn't mean that. I mean that.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Please leave alone.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Please. People were pressuring me to have that response and
it was misguided. Yeah, don't please, don't blame Kendrick.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Duster On HBO Max, there's a new show by jj
Abrams and LaToya Morgan that I cannot understand why nobody's
talking about. Like it's or I mean, I know there's
a lot of stuff going on, but it's like they
have a very very beautiful look and high quality show
that stars Rachel Hilson from The Good Wife and Josh
Holloway from Lost and in the National backdamn Treasure. Yeah yo,
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then the National Treasure that is Keith David in his
buttery smooth voice. The show is about a black female
FBI agent trying to take down a black crime family
in Arizona, and it's set in the seventies. Like I said,
it's got a great soundtrack, It looks really good, the
violence is really over the time and fun. But it's
just it's a really good show. And it's one of
these shows where, particularly as somebody who works in this industry,
(49:05):
I don't know how marketing decides to market things. I
think it has something to do with like it came
out sort of towards the tail end of the of
the Last of Us season two, so I think they
were just like pumping all their money into Pager, which
I get. Like, it's a good show, it's fun. Watch Duster.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I started, I started watching is it is it a
pretty jj Abrams show.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
It's a jj Abrams show. It's a good time show.
It is not like I don't think you're gonna sit
and watch be like it's not the bear, Like you're
not gonna have like an emotional journey with Duster. But
that's why I watch Dusters because like it's fun. You
get to see cool seventy shit and again, like soundtrack
is not it's perfect, it's great.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Hell yeah, Miles, where can people find you as their
work media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yes, find us everywhere on or find Me, I was
about to do the ending of Mad Boostie's jack I
gotta get that out of me.
Speaker 6 (49:52):
I gotta get that out of me. You can find
me everywhere after?
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yes, I know, but you can also find us in
the final series finale episode of Miles and Jackot Mad
Boosti's or we Reep Up the NBA Finals and cry
and beg the NBA not to stop the show, but
it And also if you want to hear me talk
about ninety day Fiance, you can find me over there
at four to twenty day Fiance. Some works of media
(50:19):
I like. Here's some posts that I enjoyed on Blue Ski.
The first one is at Firefox dot com. He just
said to close one's tab is to admit you were
never truly committed to the journey. And I kind of
feel like that is kind of the hesitation I have
sometimes when I'm closing a tab at cl hubes that
(50:40):
be's got as social posted Cris Cross Apple Sauce is
the best woke.
Speaker 6 (50:43):
Rebrand of all time. So catchy caught on immediately A plus.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Woke work which really well done.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah, Ashman.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Last when Ashmon Rodriguez dot com Muslim guy, what if
a poor person could buy vegetables?
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Reasonable New Yorker. I am moving to a whites.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Only compound eleven four miles away from here as soon
as possible. Please invite me onto the television to say
this again.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
They will be they will be on TV.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
That's America, That's the New York.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
Times I was looking for. You can find me on
Twitter at jack Underscore, Brian on Blue Sky at jack
Obi the Number one enjoyed. A tweet from Ella at
Blonde Hot Coffee tweeted, the lion does not concern himself
with the check engine light and that's those are facts.
You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at
Daily Zeikeeist. We're at v Daily Zeitgeist. On Instagram, you
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can go to the description of the episode wherever you're
listening to it, and there you will find the footnotes. No,
which is where we link off to the information that
we talked about in today's episode. We also link off
to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
is there a song that you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 6 (51:45):
Yeah, this is out of straight out of Georgia. Eddie
nine V amazing.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Soul, blues funk kind of singer musician. This track that
I will recommend called Love Move Slow. It feels like
this could have been like an Al Green track or
an Isley Brothers track, like the production, the esthetic, like
it's so so on point for that era. But it's
it's now baby, It's it's modern music. So this is
(52:14):
a fantastic track. Eddie nine B Love Moves Slow All right.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
We will link off to that in the footnote for
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Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yep.
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We are back on Monday to tell you what was trending,
and on Saturday we do a little Greatest Hits.
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Of the week. The weekly is like catch up on.
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You bye Brian the editor, so you can go check
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Speaker 4 (53:00):
Hundred actor st
Oh you fuck with Arsenal, you name every player, because
when he posted that, I had tears in my eyes.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm like zoring.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Every day. This man makes everybody fall in love with
him just a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's I I'm suspicious. I know it's the
The thing that really fucked me up is him walking
the length of New York and not get not being
absolutely drenched and yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well okay, I did see a couple of videos where
clearly he was smart. He wore a white shirt and like,
if you sweat a lot, it kind of does kind
of just become this kind of.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Translate pastes to your body.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It made me respect him more.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But there's somebody like my shirt effect and like, whoa,
he's ripped under there. Then everyone's like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Every everything his messiness like leads to people being like,
and he's hotter than we thought. Hello the Internet, and
welcome to season three ninety four, Episode five of Deady's Guy.
The exciting conclusion of season three ninety four, one of
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my favorite seasons of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It's actually been the best season, one of the best personally,
I think for us. The amount of kind words that
have been uttered to us.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Our guests are like so nice, our listeners even nicer. Yeah, yeah,
the listeners too nice. We've gotten some guest bookings on
the horizon that we won't reveal as of yet, but
very exciting. And we've got a guest booking today that
we're very excited about. You. But this is a podcast
where we take a deep dab into American shared consciousness.
(01:38):
It's Friday, June twenty since twenty since twenty seventh, twenty
twenty five. I'm coming in on a full William H.
Macy and Fargo. I was a sweat flop, sweat everywhere,
like just doing my best not to punch the steering wheel,
just being like fuck because I my internet died right
(02:00):
as we were about to start recording. Drove into the office,
which is only ten minutes, realized I left my keys
to the office at home, drove back home. So we're
coming to you like forty minutes later than we were
supposed to, all on account of me just having that
real good William H. Macy, just everything collapsing around the energy,
(02:23):
But thank you for your patience, My dear co host,
What's happening on June twenty seven?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh sorry, I was just so disappointed Jack that you
just took so long. It was I thought, you know,
my abandonment issues, so I had some stuff going on.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
With my family too, is very triggering. I mean, so it's.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Okay, it's oh look, it's National Sunglasses to Day, National
onion Day, National ice cream cake Day, National orange blossom Day,
National HIV Testing Day, and National PTSD Awareness Day.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
So yeah, great, I love a sunglass.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Do you call it song? Just put my sunglasses a long?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh shit, Okay, onions, orange blossoms, great ice.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, althay. If I had an HIV tester, you know,
orange blossoms or any of those things, I would partake
on those as well. That's that's a weird thing that
radio DJs are always doing. They're always wearing sunglasses indoors.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I mean, that's like the eighties movie version of a
radio detail always.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
That's the last time I pitched.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think as someone who's worked a radio never seen
somebody wear shades.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
That was the DJ on.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The artists will come in on some cool ship and
wear sunglasses, but the DJ is never they're working, and
they're always wearing sweatpants.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I'm too sleepy to wear sunglasses in the morning and
you think it's put you to sleep. Yeah, just put
me right asleep. Like, what is the bedtime names Jack
O'Brien aka let me Sleep, let me slumber? Why the
hell won't you open up? Are you just stupid? Oh?
(03:58):
I see your stupid. That one courtesy of New Chris
New christ Ventures with Old Christine. Is that something I
don't know? It's something I wrote this morning. It's uh
that that was a song from written from the perspective
of my youngest when I wouldn't let him into our
room when we were trying to do a sleep training.
(04:21):
Just roasted me for like forty five minutes straight.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Hey, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
co host, mister Miles grad.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, straight off the streets of the San Fernando Valley
is the Lord of Lankersham, the show gun.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
With no gun.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
It's Miles great. Thank you for having me. It's great
to be also, it's great to have you Miles. Well,
I just want to say up tob des Moines, zeit gang.
I'm going to be in your city this weekend. I
need recommendations, need to know where where do where do
the where do the fine people of des Moines. Where
do ZiT gang go?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You know?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Where's the food that I need to eat? I want
to hear from y'all because I love y'all. Trust y'all,
And if you see me in the streetside, what's up?
But but do it you know politely?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah, yeah, awesome, that'll be fun. I don't know you're
going to des Moines?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah for a winning it's.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You know, obviously, I'm not going to miss out on
a chance to go to the great state of Iowa.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Never Miles. We're thrilled to be joined in our third
seat by an award winning playwright whose work has been
developed and performed at the Public Theater in New York,
Interact Theater in Philadelphia, the Royal Court in London.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
What the fuck is? What's he doing on this show?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
What is he doing on this show?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Because you like the show?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
He's written on shows on TV from NBC's Law and Order, SVU,
BT's American Soul, DMC's critically acclaimed Interview with a Vampire.
What Oh. He also co hosts the podcast The Inner
Cities Podcast. So all right, all right? That makes me
feel better?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Brings it back?
Speaker 6 (05:55):
Down a podcasts a podcaster.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Please welcome to the show, Hey Zell, Well.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, thank you for having me. God Williams. But let's
hear it for Zorn Canada, who actually does shit.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, it won't have it, but we love z all wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It was good to feel good.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Doesn't it feel good to feel good?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
It was just all my good feelings were.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I didn't realize that I was reading so many takes
from people who are like, you know, a lot of
leftists progressive have been just sort of conditioned into believing
something like this was basically beyond reach, like a win
like that, And I think that's why I was so
this whole process, We're like.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is it okay?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Is this for real?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Surely?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Is this gonna get fucking destroyed? Right, because that's what
always happens every time this thing happens, and we think, oh,
we're moving forward, are we tuesday?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
That their inner voice is Natasha Leoni? By the ways, Yeah,
that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I'm gonna happen here.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I could not believe it, and I refuse to believe
it until he started talking, like until he gave his speech,
like I was like, Okay, there this this isn't this
could happen? I might have to go back. I used
to live in a story and I left in twenty sixteen,
and I'm like, do I do I need to go back?
Is that what I's happened to?
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Do?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I need to feel this?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Man, thank you guys for having me. I love the show,
big fan.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Oh thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, insane,
but we're thrilled to have you. That's how did you
like this show? You should talk to a therapist about
liking this show. No, We're that's very nice to hear,
and we're very happy to have you.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Very flattered.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
We're going to get to know you a little bit
better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the
listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. We
are going to talk about Zorn's success and how the
New York Times is dealing with it, because that's mainly
what I'm worried about, Like how are they gonna hang
in there.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
With this, How they're gonna keep it together?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
How are they gonna keep it together? We'll talk about that.
We will talk about just what the latest in the
world of AI. We got a federal judge with an
AI company and copyright case and all that plenty more.
But first, Zell, we do like to ask our guests,
what is something from your search history that's revealing about
who you are?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Ninja rocks? Do you guys know what ninja rocks are?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
No, so it's like pipe rock theory.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, so rock rock right now?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah? Correct, right now? I know ninja rock. So I've
seen a lot of videos recently of people actively throwing
their bodies in front of like ice SUVs to keep
their neighbors from being like a legally kidnapped, and it's
very impressive. I love that, but I'm really really scared
because these like chicken shits have no problem adding vehicular
assaults to like the crimes they're already doing of like
(08:45):
kidnapping and disappearing people. And then I remembered, or I
started to remember something from my teenage years which I
definitely never ever experimented with by the train tracks in Fresno, California,
called ninja rocks. And basically it's this thing that I
need to stress is wildly illegal if you are caught
having them. Everybody needs to understand that. But if the
choice is between getting hit by a car and spraying
(09:09):
auto glass in the face of the Gestapo. If you
take the ceramic from a spark plug.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
The colloquial term for that is ninja rocks. And I
was thinking one day, like, what was that thing I
was really fascinated by as a teenager that would make
like auto glass explode? And I'm just like, at some point,
the fact that we have allowed the federal government to
allow mass people to just grab folks on the street
compared to maybe just having something in case you happen
(09:42):
to find into a car, it feels weird because like
I I, you know, I also have lived in Los
Angeles this entire time during the hellscape. We've all survived somehow,
some way, guys, and it's been weird to just be
riding my bike through a perfectly fine neighborhood but also
have a national conversation about how falling apart, which is
not true. So, like, I think we all need to
(10:03):
be looking at alternatives for in case a car happens
to decide our human life has no value, just saying.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, what are the options?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I see a lot of people they're also saying you
should throw glitter on them glitter is.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Legal because they can't get it off glitter.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I've also seen, you know, people being like, how do
you make spike strips that kind of search term pop up.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
This is just a podcast where we talk about what
is trending in the zeitgeist, and we're just talking about
what's trends.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
We're just talking about We're just talking about.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
We're identifying trends and those trends.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
The other thing I.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
See too, is like a lot of times you see
people really like pull their cars around like these uh,
masked goons whoever the fuck they are, and like try
and block them in, but then someone comes out with
like a machine gun and tells them to back up.
I'm like people just be like parking their car and
taking the keys out and just split and being like
all right, yeah try and this rab four.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But yeah, it's it's it's it's truly wild.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Like just so many moments you see people who are
like in total disbelief that they are this is like
the interaction that they're having, but it's yeah, this is
just the norm now. And now they're using facial recognition,
like the the stuff that you like when you enter
the country and they take a photo of you, they're you.
They're accessing that data base now to facial like use
facial recognition to like identify people that are getting in
(11:20):
the way or like harassing the goons. It's really fucking
dark out there, so have you.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
So I just I am new to Ninja rocks and
I do just want to like it. We'll link off
to this reddit demonstration of what they are, because like
what just googling it and like your description of it.
I thought I had a sense of what it was,
but I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Like big no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I thought it was like I.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Was like, oh, a rock, like a ninja star that's
like a full rock and there's like little points going. Ever, no,
it's like literally like little shards of a spark that
come off a spark look and again, illegal to have.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
In your pocket in case the scots stop you. I
want to stress yet.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
But when you throw just a tiny little thing at
the glass, the glass shatter, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And I feel like better than getting hit by a car.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And it's harder. Like again, you can't really google it.
It's it's not that easy to find other than on
the reddit you can find YouTube.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I I because I actually could not remember. I thought
I thought they were called Ninja rocks, and I was like,
I think that's the thing I came up with when
I was a kid, because I like ninja turtles or something.
And then it turns out no, the was Ninja rocks.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I just love Wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
There's from the American Ceramics Society and it said video
Ninja Rocks exploit ceramics dark side.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Amazing, Oh the hidden side of cerami.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Your mother never told you this in pottery class?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Exactly?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah, Zelle, what's some of the things underrated? Uh?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Ceres Castle, I think you're ad in mine. So I
think Seres is LA's best journalist, like working right now.
She was a guest on my podcast The Inner Cities
and we did it on YouTube and it's the first
time we did that and it worked out really well.
But like cerse has this ability to find local LA
stories that have impact nationally, and I think she's prominently
(13:12):
known for exposing sheriff games back in twenty twenty one
with her piece on La Taco. She has now moved
to a new group called Capital in Maine, and she
has been following the story of Aby Hernandez Aby Hernandez
is a student athlete who has been targeted by their
own school superintendent for being trans and she has been
(13:34):
performing very, very well, but she's also being beaten by
other young women who've identified as women since birth, so
just proving that there's really no case here. And she's
having adults who have no children in the school whatsoever,
come to her meets and harass her. And she was
also targeted by President Trump and a true social statement,
(13:57):
which I think again, Soerice is like, has been on
top of stories that have such deep resonance and that
you may not even be realizing is happening in your community.
And I just love her death. So check out series,
follow her on everything, Follow any journalists she suggests to follow,
because I gotta be honest with you. I you know,
also doing a podcast where we talk about the news.
(14:18):
I basically stop looking at American journalism. When it comes
to stories about American I go to the Guardian, I
go to like Lemon because speak a little French. But
when it comes to yeah, like, when it comes to stories,
I'm looking directly at the intercept. I'm looking like occasionally wired,
Wired's still good, but like it's hard. So you got
to support these Yeah, yeah is the best.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, just like hyper local, like deep reporting on stories.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And so fucking just so devoted to truth and speaking
truth to power and at any I mean like just
thinking of the like the harassment she was getting after
the LASD Gangs thing and just does not stop her.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I don't know if she ever said this publicly. She
had to hire a bodyguard during that year.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, we heard about that yet.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, Like it's crazy. He's the best, He's amazing, totally.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
What is something you think's over it?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Unions that don't support other unions and this one might
get me in trouble. So this spring, the Writers Guild
of America, which I've been part of since twenty fourteen,
their staff voted to unionize, and I am very thrilled
for them. I was a Writer's Guild captain during the
strike in twenty twenty three the entire time. We could
(15:34):
not have won that without the staff. I don't know
if people realized it. It wasn't just writers out there.
The administrators of the staff, the lawyers of the staff,
the accounts of the staff. They were all there setting
up our pickets and managing them for us and occasionally
like dealing with emergency response and instances, so they are amazing.
They were the backbone of the strike. When the staff
(15:55):
decided to organize, they were met with what I would
consider to be a little more resistance than I would
hope from another union, and it was really disappointing. The
most upsetting thing of this is that the the WGA
fired a labor labor organizer named Fatima Mareta, and Fatima
was an organizer for La Hotels before she came to
us to help out, and she really did this groundwork
(16:17):
to make it more than just like TV writers demanding
more money. We were picketing and marching with hotel workers
in this town, and we showed up at their rallies.
It was really really amazing, and I felt I felt
really for the first time, particularly being like a working
class kid who whose mom had a union job, and
that's the only reason I was able to go to
college and become a writer in from Fresno, which I
(16:41):
feel like people don't understand how far that is from
LA even though it's not really that far from LA,
it's very far from LA. I felt a kinship and
a community that I have not really felt all the time,
I without being in the actual thing, in the actual
like Writers Guild Staff Union, which is what it's called,
(17:01):
the Writers' Guild Staff Union. I don't know what happened.
They said they let her go from cause, but the
union itself is asking the Writers Guild to reinstate Fatima,
and I really support this. I really really am saddened
that this has been the reaction of the Writers Guild
because I showed up at three am for pickets because
my union asked me too. When I was harassed by
studio lots during this picket, I still showed up. When
(17:24):
I was sometimes harassed by WGA members who didn't like
me asking them to not get hit by a car,
I still showed up. And I will always have more
solidarity with Fatima, who is an immigrant who worked for
like working class people in this town than I ever
will the like white millionaires who were constantly giving speeches
and telling me what to do that time. I'm really upset.
(17:46):
If I could give a piece of action to people
to zeitgang like, go to their instagram, the WGA Staff
Union Instagram and just follow them and say congratulations. That's
all you have to do. If you are a WGA member,
and this is the first time you're hearing about this.
You need to ask your captain why this happened and
let them know that it upsets you because she was
(18:07):
an amazing labor organizer. And it's really really sad what
the guilds do. They're not even talking about it. They
said she was fired for cause, and I know enough
people in the staff to know that that's not a
good enough answers.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
All.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I will say, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
So's the staff of the Guilt newly.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Formed in April. They they fired her the day before
they announced their formation, which is sus Writers Guild Staff Union.
Is what you should look for on Instagram. Just follow them,
and if you're in the guild, be nice, be nice
about asking the question.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, all right, great, overhanded, underrated.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
We are gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
We're gonna come back.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
We're gonna talk about We're gonna check in on our
friends at the New York Times see how they're dealing
with all this upheaval, all the stunning, shocking changes of
be right back and we're back, We're back, and yeah,
(19:14):
so I just I just want to read the headline
and then the sort of subhead from the New York
Times one Zorn's mayoral win primary win, uh said, Donnie
success in mayoral primary reverberates beyond New York City. Yeah
that makes sense, yeah, yeah yeah. And then as Zorammdanni
(19:36):
pledges major changes after his apparent primary win, national Democrats
are looking for lessons and Republicans see a new political target.
So that's the headline that you would have if the
Democrats like that sounds like it's bad news for the Democrats. Yeah,
the Democrats are looking for answers or lessons and the
(20:00):
Republicans are licking their chops.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I mean that the news for them because he's showing
that like, if you actually give people what they want,
they will vote for you. And now the Democrats are
going to have to do that for shame.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
What I didn't read the article.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
When they say they're looking for lessons, Did they mean
that to say this is potentially a new path for Democrats,
like they can learn from this, or they're like how
did they fuck up? And not added to Quomo not
win lessons a.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Little bit of that. I mean, there's there's a lot
of donors in there who are like, well, we're just
gonna have to solidify behind Mayor Eric Adams now. And
then there's one donor who said, I feel like people
misunderstood my two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for Cuomo
for real enthusiasm. It was basically, oh, looks like Cuomo's
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coming back. We don't want to be shut out. Let's
try and get on his good side.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I wish I had two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
I could spend unenthusiastically.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, yeah, like, oh, don't mix that up for enthusias.
That's just a cour that's a cool quest, or a
million just just to keep my name a little just
in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's it. Don't take that.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Don't want to be shut out.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
But yeah, I mean, I mean it was that or
another another house that I could flip. So I just
decided one less flippable house.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah that's right. Yeah, already have five of those. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
But it's just I don't know. It seems like so
much of the democratic establishment is powered by either people
voting for them or donating to them, because that's who
they think always wins, and they're like the lesser of
two evils. That's really like, how where their power comes from,
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and their brand is currently catastrophic failure to do the
obvious thing they needed to do to win. That's what
the last big moment they had, Well, they give it.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Let them fail so that in nine months then they
can say, look how they fail and we'll all be dead.
But they can.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Say that, right, like how we killed our base.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Whoops, it's really giving Nico And like the the Luca trade,
it's just bad because I just like the what the
Democrats did in the twenty twenty four election, where like
they came in, had like a little spark at the start,
and we're like, we're gonna call them weird, We're gonna
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like talk about price gouging and shit like that, and
then immediately started like tacking right and just ignoring what
everybody in their base like knew they should do. Is like, yeah,
it's it's giving Nico. Like the ninety eight percent of
their fans and supporters would have done a better job
than they just did. And it was like a highly public,
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highly consequential this series of decisions that they just failed
at in a way that we were like, well that
seems wrong, like over and over repeatedly.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
You know what, I mean yes, and it's the same
thing they did in twenty twenty. I won't. I'm still
upset about March twenty twenty when Bernie was doing okay
and then like Amy klover Jar and Buddha Judge and
everybody was just like, oh shit, let's just jump behind
the centrist and it's it's it's them attacking what their
voters actually want like they it's it's it's we're never
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going to freaking learn this lesson of doing slow Fascism
is what I think the Democrats are pitching to us,
because it's like they keep saying like, oh, democracy is
in danger. We have to do things that like actually
in it, like energize people, and then Zoron comes out
here and is like, I'm a freezer rent. I'm actually
going to do some price controls for food. I'm not
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saying you got a shop at the NYC grudge shop
at the grit do it. I don't care. I'm gonna
make buses fast and free. None of this is bad.
Like the fact that the Democrats, which are supposed to
be the opposition party, have like you know, Hakim Jeffries,
I think a couple like right after the election finally
said like I'm gonna sit down and talk to this
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or really really like a year into his or two
years into him running for this seat, you finally decided
that you're going to You're going to stand for the
guy who is not the sexual predator. You're going to
stand for the guy who was not killing people's grandmas.
And like it's I'm still trying to understand why Andrew
Cuomo thought he could come back, because it's like that
was three years ago. Dog like some of us have
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like COVID brain, but not that I remember my grandma.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
That you did. The established I mean, I think all
these establishment Democrats, whether they're like part of the infrastructure
of the party or the politicians themselves, they just think
it's it's still nineteen ninety eight or some shit like
they're thinking is stuck there and they don't even see
like what the what the consequences are of them constantly
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knocking back a perceived leftist or hyper ultra left wing
policy in favor for something that looks more like two.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Thousand and four Republicans yea, And they're like they're pitches
fascism you can sleep through. And he's like, change that
you can believe in, and they're like, I think we
want the fascism you can sleep through. I think that's
what people prefer. They've been doing it for like a
decade now. It's it's brunch. Fascism is what you can get,
and that's pretty what. You know.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Some people are insulated enough that they're fine with a
world like that, but the majority of us that live
in this country are absolutely not. And I think they
don't realize that. Every time they knock one of these
policies back, they're saying fuck you to all the people
that stood to benefit from that policy. They don't realize that.
But when they say every time they don't take action
on police brutality and shit like that, they lose people. Okay,
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every time they've pump faked codifying row, they lose people.
Every Time they don't take aggressive action to fight corporate greed,
they lose people. Every time they don't they fucking fail
the dreamers. They lose people. So how the fuck do
they think they're gonna get him back by being like, well,
we're gonna do some really cheeky rezoning to help some
you know, this luxury condo will have fourteen affordable units,
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within it.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Like at a time and place of our choosing. That's
the summary of just being like we're gonna do that
at a time and place of our choosing.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, I don't think they realize, you know, because again,
so much of the power in the Democratic Party is
either old or is capitulating to the old I e.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Hockey and Jeffries.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And it's just like they don't realize the word socialism
is not it's not nineteen fifty eight. Like kids aren't
scared of that.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Like most like nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
In this I mean they talk like it's nineteen fifty eight.
I mean like fucking day after, not even a day
after he wins. It's just like there's gonna be a
nine eleven in New York.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's gonna be his fault.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
It's like, yeah, okay, first of all, whatever, I don't
know where to begin.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
With that, but like because oh, because it was Juliani's
fault too, Is that what I know?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I was just saying because he's a Muslim, that that's
that that equals nine to eleven. Okay, cool, yeah, you're
you're naked. Islamophobia also ain't hidden.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, but like I don't think. I don't think my niece.
I have a five sisters, so I have billion nieces
and laftews. I don't think these kids under like they're
not even kids anymore, most of young adults, but like
socialism is not a scary thing to them. Like a
lot of them, they grew up in a world where
they could see a kid in a country that had
like socialist leaders, and they're fine. They're perfectly fine. I'm
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and I'm a big fan of France. I talk about
it way too much, as my friend tell me. But
like the mayor of France is a socialist France. Yeah,
an Hildago, she's this amazing socialist who has been pushing
through like things like making France even more. Sorry, Mayor,
I said, Mayor France, forget me, don't judge me French people.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
American right now, I know, Oh god, you have no
idea how deeply you cut me by pointing that out
the mayor of Paris.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I was confused because I was willing to be like, oh,
maybe that this is just a position.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I no, no, no, no, no, I wish, Mayor, I actually
I don't wish, but like an Hildago, the mayor of Paris,
specific with the city of Parents, which is not France.
I know that French people forgive me uh is a
socialist and has been making the city bikable and walkable.
And guess what, she's not the left most leftist party
in the country. Like it's it's there are wonderful things
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that can happen if your party makes their core. We
actually want to distribute wealth and resources, and and younger
people know that. And frankly, I think they I think
they finally understand that we've been conning them this whole
time with this idea that like America just is the best.
It's like, no, we can I got, I got fucking TikTok.
Like I can see people going to like on vacation
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for months.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
And America once. That's why they're undermining us. Yeah, that's exactly,
That's how they That's how they win.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
America is like a like a like an ultra sports
car from the eighties. But every year you get further
from the eighties, the more it looks like shit, you
know what I mean, And you're like, oh, no, bro
blowing up in that. It looks fucking weird now, and
people are like, hey man, it's a Ferrari or whatever,
it's a Doorian.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
These yeah, could really go for like fifteen seconds.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
But like what Zorin is even you know, a lot
his policies aren't necessarily like capital s socialism either, Like
these are things like that you would have seen FDR
like get behind. It's like, hey man, we got to
make some food affordable. How about we expand the ability
for people to take care of their kids and you know,
but these again, these are things that are just straight
to the point because he's consistent around the concept of
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shit costs too much and we need to do something
that the people will actually feel like when you say it,
they go, ah, yes, that rather than bureaucratic like wonk
talk and they're like, oh great, a three point the
three percent, Like what.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Like you start talking shit like that.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
People don't understand free buses, yes, right, price controlled supermarket great, yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Know, free things for new parents, how dare you?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:56):
But that's why I think it's so dangerous, so difficult
for the mainstream to deal with is just the one
thing that they had that the Democrats had was the
idea that they were the path, like they were the
practical path, like the you know, socialism is nice in theory,
you can't win elections. It scares people, and then you.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Know, people wildly vote for it.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah, and then everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Votes for it.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
And there I think now they're like, well, it doesn't
you can't actually do it. But I just want to
read this other quote from the article. But with Democrats
shut out of power in Washington and focused on taking
back the House next year, it remains unclear how closely
senior lawmakers will embrace mister Momdani as they try to
flip battleground districts where his far left stances might alienate voter.
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It is, of course no acknowledgment that this very publication
where this is being written was saying this very same
thing about his policies in New York City, right, Like
they were like New York is tacked right and like
traditionally like they've been open to voting for Democrats and Republicans.
Oh and also it is the like this is said
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elsewhere in the article, it is the fucking capital of capitalism.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It is the.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Capital of capitalism. They just voted for a socialist and
they're like, well that couldn't work anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh, so said it couldn't work there as far as
I know, those ago those people don't eat food or
have babies to take care of in that in those
battle ground states.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
So I don't know if these policies will fucking appeal, Like,
are be for real?
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah? Where is this place they're talking about? Because like
I will Okay, granted again, I come from Fresnoe, California.
It's a very conservative air part of California. They may be,
they may still be afraid of like the term socialism,
But if you just talk to people about like, yo,
do you want your house to be like less expensive? Right,
they're down? Would you like eggs to just be a
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normal price? Again?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Absolutely down for it? Like do you have a problem
giving a new mother some supplies to get started with?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
What what? What kind of monster would? No one is
against these policies. They're against the the fear mongering that
you do around it. They're against this idea that somehow
raising the tax on the wealthiest people in your town
is going to impact most people, when in actuality, if
you go back to when you keep talking about what
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America was great, those people would have been paying like
fifty percent taxes.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's insane.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, I mean, like and then I think people people
are beginning to realize that like all the fear around
you know, a wealth like progressive taxes on the wealthy,
they're they're ambiently getting all that fear from the media
that they fund, you know what I mean. So like
at a certain point of taka, like, do I know
somebody who's actually get fucked over by these progressive wealth taxes?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Actually I stand a benefit from all these other policies.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
So this is a dec There's also.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Like the amount of just bed pissing from the Democratic
consultant class is so telling that I think that they
are I think they do see that they are losing.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Their grip a bit, like on the party.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And because this is where it's getting real, Like we've
been saying since the election, like the next fight for
the Democrats is who is going to be at the
wheel of this party. Is it going to be the progressives,
Is it going to be where all this energy is
right now? Or are they going to do everything they
can to just rest control again and drag this thing
to the right. This one strategist told political quote, it
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is extremely alarming that the only candidates who genuinely excite
our voters are the ones making absolutely insane promises on
politically toxic positions. That's their take on what has just happened.
That's how they're trying to spin that, is that like,
this is all fucking stupid quote leaving us in the
spot of trying to execute on bad policy and losing
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terribly or failing to keep our promises, and reinforcing the
idea that all politics is bullshit.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, okay, okay, So.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Again, I think we're saying all of their reflexive habits
of just spending money on studies and going for a
superficial deregulation and like zoning reform is just not working anymore,
And I think this must be This feels kind of
like probably what never trumpers were thinking when Trump stepped
on the scene in twenty fifteen, that were like they
did fucking everything. They're like, bro, get this guy out
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of here. He's doesn't know what the fuck time. It is,
like we have our own neo con shit that we're
on that we're really we've protected this thing. We have
all the money, we control the media. Let's say we
can get this guy out the box.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
But they fucking couldn't.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
They could not, They couldn't. And he's still fucking won.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And I think he just again he had an appeal
sadly to the voters that felt like the party wasn't
really following through on their like racial grievances, and Trump
was there for that, and they're like, yeah, you know what,
that's kind of what I'm kind of what I've been missing,
really and in this, in this and with Mamdani, he's
appealing to the voters who are fucking sick and tired
of the Democrats just failing to liver and just talking
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around things getting better, and they don't realize that that's
what's happening. It's like the ship gets hollowed out and
somebody's offering what you want.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
They're all gonna move.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
This way now, so and there, And again you look
at all the money they spent trying to smear mom Donnie,
like all the those fucked up attack ads trying to
paint him as a terrorist and ship. And he's still
fucking won. And I think again, there's I think they're
they're starting to be like, fuck man like, but but
we don't do stuff that's going against the status quo.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
We're they're a fuck.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
We're the constant gardeners of the status quo.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
And he won by getting people to go out again, Like,
can we just acknowledge that the big factor of last
the last presidential election was a lot of people just
did not want to vote because you gave them the
choice between the crazy guy that they had experienced already
and somebody who was doing a fucking whistle stop tour
with Liz Cheney, Like you we need.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
To excite people. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Yeah, they were like, you know, what would be a
ideas if we ran against Trump with something that is
as close to Jeb Bush as possible, the person that
he'd be in the very first place to make it
clear to everybody.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, please class, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, I was gonna add did you guys see Bill
Ackman's like frantic midnight tweet I heard about People were
saying him and Elon's tweets were real something that night
of the primary. What was his I either, So it's
it's again He's not. I'm not saying Bill Ackman is
a part of the Democratic Party. I am saying he's
one of these people who would literally give money to
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anyone who would stop progressive from doing anything, But, like
he literally said, I woke up in the morning gravely
concerned about New York City. I thought, what.
Speaker 8 (36:43):
Has New York City become that it avowts of an
avowed socialist has supported, who supported defunding the police, whose
solution to lowering food prices is city owned supermarkets, Who
doesn't understand that freezing the rent will only reduce the
supply of housing, who has no experience managing organists, let
alone a city of one hundred million, one hundred billion
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dollar budget and two trillion dollar economy, and who believes
that chance of globalizing the are acceptable? When's the democratic primary?
And it's just like every time I see something like that.
By the way, that's the first paragraph of I don't
even know how many paragraphs I'm looking.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
At here, God, but like he is looking literally for
anyone to run against him, and basically saying, I will
fucking destroy democracy in the city of New York before
I allow these people to have a progressive.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Lead, right, And because they see what time it is.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, absolutely, And I'm my big fear and concern, And
I'm sure there are smarter people working with Zoron who
who have thought about this is that the Democratic, the
mainstream establishment Democratic Party having the chance to get like
Bill Eichman money, will trade the city of New York
for that money. And that is what I think we
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all need to be looking out for because if we don't,
if I'm judging the Democratic Party for the for the
next election based on how strongly they support Zorahan going out,
because like the man did it.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
He did it.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
He fought, he fought an established democratic machine legacy, NEPO baby,
he fought the billionaires who were giving him money. He
fought the general racism of America, and he got people
to show up. And if you can't get behind that,
I don't even know if this country even has an
opposition party, the rope up Republicans anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
And I mean that's where I think talk, like serious
talk has to be about, like where where does this
energy go? Because it can't be put They can't be
trusted with the Democrats at all.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, I mean it has to, right, like the Democrats
just need to fucking step up, because yeah, and good luck.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
But again, the thing is right, all of these this
donor class, the consultant class, they see that all this
energy is coming from young people, normal people who aren't
wealthy and are starting to realize, oh, this this inequality
is fucked up, and for them, they're like, shit.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Man, they're fucking realizing that we're fucking drink. We've been
drinking their fucking milkshake for centuries now, and they're getting
behind policies that are actually going to address that.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
I don't want to live in that world.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
We need to stop him. Have you guys ever seen
Dark Knight Rises? I'm aware, yes, yesterday there's a guy
who went on MSNBC and was like, they're talking eat
the Rich. Have you ever seen Dark Knight Rises? The
part where they make the stockbrokers walk on frozen river
and then they fall through? That's I mean, I'm just
saying like, that's like, he's a lot of stammers. Yeah,
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he was evoking bane, which is always the sign that
they're in a uh in touch with three.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
I think people forget how Gotham City got, how Gotham
was people were treated like shit, and eventually a rich
person got got and one rich person was like, maybe
I'll do something about.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
This on my watch.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
A let's take a quick break, we'll be right back,
and we're back and update in the world of AI.
A federal judge just ruled in favor of Anthropic, the
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very not evil sounding AI company, and declared that artificial
intelligence developers can train models using published books without authors consent.
Cool cool cool for thoroughly transformative. Is exceedingly transformative, is
what the judge said.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I haven't looked into is.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
This judge, Like, is this judge an AI? Are they
funded by the decision filed Monday and US District Court
for the Northern District of California. Huh, yeah, what's up
in Northern California.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
I don't know, like it's one of them, Valley the Silicone.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Or something, but it was. The suit was brought by
several authors who didn't grant permission for their books to
be used to train AM models, and the judge was like,
that's tough shit. I guess right, yeah, which you know,
some people have pointed out, like I don't know this.
There there are some limits to this, but it does
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create a precedent for courts to favor AI companies over
individuals in AI copyright disputes, and obviously AI companies pretty
well funded as far as I can tell.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, I mean, they're sure the precedent is there. But
I think a lot of people are saying like that
doesn't mean every every court will follow suit.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
But it but it does.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I mean there is a precedent now, But I think, yeah,
this is just you know, the slow, slow creep to
I think, like the large the biggest thing for me,
and you hear a lot of people, a lot of
creative people and artists talk about this in different ways.
Is like, how like, really it's not just like that
the works can be used to just make AI slop
that it can slowly erode our like humanity and our
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will to create things from our own minds, you know
what I mean, And having these tools like that. I'm
sure obviously I think that people who are compelled to
create will always do that. But broadly, if it's like
becomes so easy by and I just type the words
in and now here's a video of the Pope of
you know, making a pizza out of a bed sheet
or whatever, You're like, this is really going to sounds
(42:31):
so sick, that is I look, I just did the
anthropic was pretty cool. But I just all that to
say is I can really see how this really disincentivizes
just even like the learning of an artistic skill. When
when things become created so like out of thin air
so easily, And I think that's just like kind of
the freaky part I think about all the time, like.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
You know, like when anyone can do everything, not to
say that that's a bad thing, but what does that
mean for the process of creating things?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I think you have hit on that because we talked
about this during the strike all the time, because you know,
we were AI was kind of new in the conversation
and we're like, what if they replaced us? And then
we started seeing what AI made and it's like, well,
this is a dog shit yeah, and it'll get better,
I'm sure as it steals from more people. But like,
at its core, there's this thing that I don't think
people are really thinking about.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I don't want to hear what a computer has to
say about being a black man in America. Miles. I
don't know about you, but like.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I'm open, let's see where they're going with us.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
Let's see where this racist day I might be going
with this day.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
It's going to make like the people engage with art
because it resonates with them, and generally people want to
feel a human connection to the source of the art.
I am sorry if you you might be able to
trick people into thinking that, you know, oh, let's just
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let's let's pretend that like Fucking Sinners was made by AI.
Ryan's been lying to us this whole time, right, and
we saw this, this movie that was created by AI.
Once you realize that people not only not only do
people lose engagement with the art and with what they create,
but it loses its place in the in the zeitgeist,
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that is that is what this and this is what
you cannot teach a lot of these like tech bros
And executives. That's what art is is that at its
core is it is a thing that connects with people.
Like Barbie is America's most if you really think about it,
Barbie's in one of America's most absurdist films. When you
think about it, it is about adult who lives in
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an existence and then somehow magically trans transfers into reality
and has to deal with the oppressive the oppressive force
of misogyny. Like that is a crazy concept, and the
thing that makes it work is the connection that everyone
feels to having struggled against that, and I'm you know,
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I'm again, I'm a writer. I obviously have a stake
in this, but like I I think that at I
think that as you go farther down this, it's going
to there's gonna be We're already seeing like fewer and
fewer returns from AI, Like people know what AI slop
is if you're under the age of fifty and you care.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
And they don't like it, Like people.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Are actively rejecting it. Also, it's fucking boiling our fucking ocean,
right yeah, to your point of like I was listening
to some track online and I was like, what.
Speaker 6 (45:33):
The fuck is this just kind of freaky sample they got.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Come to find out it's this French guy who just
like cooks up AI samples and then like flips them.
Speaker 6 (45:43):
They don't really describe themselves as an artist.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
But for me, I immediately was like, ah, all right,
like whatever, like it just like it's like to your
point in like, oh, this was so much more impressive
when you when you cause again someone who makes music,
like you know the time it takes to find a sample,
to to mess with it, to alter it and be
something new, and it's just like, oh no, I just
just do this to kind of find like weird stuff
(46:06):
and I make other things. It just I don't know,
it just completely took the enjoyment out of it for me.
So yeah, yeah, it's true, like you you want to
connect to another person's creative process through enjoying their art.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Yeah, I feel like people mainly use it. It's like this
look how like weird and like bad this shit, Like
that's the one place I've seen people be like the
hallucination is the point kind of like when the computer
gets really weird and you feel like you're looking at
someone's brain melting, like that's the only good thing.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
But that's such a good point.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
That almost feels like it's just like when someone's like
playing a guitar and like shredding the string, you know,
like it's just it's like the fun of it is
it being used against its purpose.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
The most popular AI is AI that looks like shit,
so we can laugh at it. Yeah, always what it is.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
Yeah all right, well Zelle again, sorry for the truncated
run time. That is my fault, but it's been a truth.
I having you and we can't wait to have you back.
Uh where can people find you? Follow you? Hear you
all that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
You can go to the Inner Cities podcast wherever you
get podcasts. We started doing video podcast as well. You
can go do YouTube dot com slash at the Inner
Cities and you can see the interview I did with series.
And I'm azel Will on most things. I have a
website called azel Will dot com, my Blue Sky and
my ig or azel Will and uh oh yeah. You
(47:28):
can find me on Twitch and I'm actually starting to
do this experiment of writing plays live if you want
to see a playwright struggle writing plays live on Tuesday
nights and then other times I'm on Twitch getting my
ass beat in Street Fighter six, so you can see
that as well.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
So what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Oh oh, Aki Aki is the best and anybody Punk
the God has said a lot of shit about Aki.
You need to stop talking about my girl. You're mad
because you know she's good Punk. I respect you, don't
don't come at me. I'm sorry. If you know the FGC,
if you know the Fighting game community, I just stepped
to a person I should not and I already regret it.
(48:05):
I am the j Cole.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, I didn't mean that. I mean that.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Please leave alone.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Please. People were pressuring me to have that response and
it was misguided. Yeah, don't please, don't blame Kendrick.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Duster On HBO Max, there's a new show by jj
Abrams and LaToya Morgan that I cannot understand why nobody's
talking about. Like it's or I mean, I know there's
a lot of stuff going on, but it's like they
have a very very beautiful look and high quality show
that stars Rachel Hilson from The Good Wife and Josh
Holloway from Lost and in the National backdamn Treasure. Yeah yo,
(48:44):
then the National Treasure that is Keith David in his
buttery smooth voice. The show is about a black female
FBI agent trying to take down a black crime family
in Arizona, and it's set in the seventies. Like I said,
it's got a great soundtrack, It looks really good, the
violence is really over the time and fun. But it's
just it's a really good show. And it's one of
these shows where, particularly as somebody who works in this industry,
(49:05):
I don't know how marketing decides to market things. I
think it has something to do with like it came
out sort of towards the tail end of the of
the Last of Us season two, so I think they
were just like pumping all their money into Pager, which
I get. Like, it's a good show, it's fun. Watch Duster.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I started, I started watching is it is it a
pretty jj Abrams show.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
It's a jj Abrams show. It's a good time show.
It is not like I don't think you're gonna sit
and watch be like it's not the bear, Like you're
not gonna have like an emotional journey with Duster. But
that's why I watch Dusters because like it's fun. You
get to see cool seventy shit and again, like soundtrack
is not it's perfect, it's great.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Hell yeah, Miles, where can people find you as their
work media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yes, find us everywhere on or find Me, I was
about to do the ending of Mad Boostie's jack I
gotta get that out of me.
Speaker 6 (49:52):
I gotta get that out of me. You can find
me everywhere after?
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yes, I know, but you can also find us in
the final series finale episode of Miles and Jackot Mad
Boosti's or we Reep Up the NBA Finals and cry
and beg the NBA not to stop the show, but
it And also if you want to hear me talk
about ninety day Fiance, you can find me over there
at four to twenty day Fiance. Some works of media
(50:19):
I like. Here's some posts that I enjoyed on Blue Ski.
The first one is at Firefox dot com. He just
said to close one's tab is to admit you were
never truly committed to the journey. And I kind of
feel like that is kind of the hesitation I have
sometimes when I'm closing a tab at cl hubes that
(50:40):
be's got as social posted Cris Cross Apple Sauce is
the best woke.
Speaker 6 (50:43):
Rebrand of all time. So catchy caught on immediately A plus.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Woke work which really well done.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah, Ashman.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Last when Ashmon Rodriguez dot com Muslim guy, what if
a poor person could buy vegetables?
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Reasonable New Yorker. I am moving to a whites.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Only compound eleven four miles away from here as soon
as possible. Please invite me onto the television to say
this again.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
They will be they will be on TV.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
That's America, That's the New York.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
Times I was looking for. You can find me on
Twitter at jack Underscore, Brian on Blue Sky at jack
Obi the Number one enjoyed. A tweet from Ella at
Blonde Hot Coffee tweeted, the lion does not concern himself
with the check engine light and that's those are facts.
You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at
Daily Zeikeeist. We're at v Daily Zeitgeist. On Instagram, you
(51:32):
can go to the description of the episode wherever you're
listening to it, and there you will find the footnotes. No,
which is where we link off to the information that
we talked about in today's episode. We also link off
to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
is there a song that you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 6 (51:45):
Yeah, this is out of straight out of Georgia. Eddie
nine V amazing.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Soul, blues funk kind of singer musician. This track that
I will recommend called Love Move Slow. It feels like
this could have been like an Al Green track or
an Isley Brothers track, like the production, the esthetic, like
it's so so on point for that era. But it's
it's now baby, It's it's modern music. So this is
(52:14):
a fantastic track. Eddie nine B Love Moves Slow All right.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
We will link off to that in the footnote for
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That's gonna do it for us this week.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (52:28):
We are back on Monday to tell you what was trending,
and on Saturday we do a little Greatest Hits.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Of the week. The weekly is like catch up on.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
You bye Brian the editor, so you can go check
out anything you missed, but we will talk to you
all on Monday.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Have a good one, bye bye bye.
Speaker 6 (52:46):
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co produced by Bay Wag, co produced by Victor.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Wright, co written by J.
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