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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the
Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.
Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Sitgeist.
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Please welcome up, brilliant and talented Teresa Lee. Oh my god,
that was mortifying. Um you reading my website. But I
do have an a k A. So all right, Brian,
here we go. Okay, alright, it's to recently a k
A mid Philadelphia. Since Tuesday in the hotel, I potted
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most of us day, filling out emails, no time for
the pool, keeping my mask on because those are the rules.
When a couple of texts told me there's a flash
food started by a tornado in the Tri State neighborhood,
this textas a portunal log, got mere feeling all scared.
I'm tired of feeling like my government is way beyond repair. Okay, wow, Okay. Also,
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don't don't do that. Don't be so you know, humble
that you can't handle people bigging up your accomplishments. You
know what I mean reading I didn't read that off
your website. I didn't read that off your website. That's
just where I just asked some people. I asked you
it was, and that's what I got from them. So
head out the window, he said, he on the knowledge. Alright, alright,
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thank you so much, Jack, Welcome, welcome. How is phil Philadelphia?
Did you see any tornadoes while you were there? Did
you look at the we did, well, this is I'm
traveling with my dog and my boyfriend and I was
supposed to do the punchline on Wednesday night and and
and then like a random bar show, and like we
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got these warnings on my phone that all of our
phones were like flash, flood, tornado, all this, and I
was like, hey, maybe we should head out soon, and
he just gave me the weirdest look, like, uh, did
you see the warnings? Like it's probably gonna be like
I don't think people are going out at all. And
I was like, oh, this is when you realize comedies
a disease, because at no point was I like, oh,
maybe I should cancel. It was like, oh, then stay
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didn't cancel. I bet I get going. And he was like,
I thought the plan was everyone stay inside. We gotta
beat that tornado traffic. Dude, we did the show the Percheline,
Joe did get canceled. I did end up going to
the bar show too because my friend, actually Blake who's
been on the show, Blake Wexler, very funny round that show.
We did walk through quite a bit of rain. It
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was fine, everyone's safe, but I did realize, like, this
is not worth it. What are we doing, you know,
with our lives? But fortunately you did not get lost
in the tornado. Yeah. We like to ask our guest,
what is something from your search history? Yeah, my last
search history was a uh, medicine wheel, told them. So
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I turned out I sat on the Grandmother Moon Rock. So,
long story short, I spent the last four days at
this um therapy counseling, like youth camp type situation where
you like go and down the woods and it's just
this like full processing your inner child, all this ship
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that you you know that black people never do that
you should do, right, So I went to go do it.
They had a medicine wheel, you know, this rock thing
they had like the labreath but in a in a
weird twist of dissonance. It it was in Nashville, but
on fucking Plantation. I was like, this is a plantation.
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I don't know how in the hell y'all want me
to be open and vulnerable at a motherfucking plantation. Say,
but I got over it, you know. And anyway, it
took a while, but I got over it. But so,
the last thing they had was this medicine wheel. I
was looking at what the grandmother Moon told them meant
and what does it mean? Do you know? Yeah, apparently
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it's like the spirit that guides the cycles of life
and mostly as it's tied to the cycles of the
feminine energy, so feminine life cycles, menstruations. How that's tied
to the tides and the seasons, so it's supposed to
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be the guidance for the female soul. Ended up sitting
on it, which is cool because I mean, I'm a girl. Dad,
it's the only women in my house, So I'm like,
and then and it was basically saying like, you should
open yourself up to the sacred feminine and the feminine
side and you and that like see how cycles can
process and cleansing of life, death, YadA, YadA. So saying
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like you need to open up your feminine side. And
I'm like, that's the only side in my house. I
ain't got no option but to open up to the
feminine side, Like how come you're not wearing sandals? Basically
open of the feminine side, is Jesus said? And liquid
swords because it's feminine like sandals, he was Jess got
some questionable lines. I was like, I don't know what
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the hell this means, but I think I'm bringing it
up like once a week, my favorite never it will
never shake it, and that's a minimum feminine like sandals. Yes,
I was like, I remember immediately every once in a
while you just saying like, what's wrong with sandals? Man? Yeah,
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you know that was that was wrong with sandals. I
was like, you have been to the beach, you know
where sandals tims only at the beach. Tim's all these
yeah wallabes or fucking you gotta wear Clark wallabes or
to the beach, to the beach just fully dressed in
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a hoodie in the ocean, Like come on, that's not
even functional anyway. Yeah, I don't think wu Ware had
much beach beach attire. There's no just a gigantic hockey
jerseys which I had to of. So yeah, that's my
last thirte What is uh what's something you think is overrated.
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I always have a hard time with this when I
come on this show, But this is the one week,
the one episode I've been on where I like really prepared,
and the thing I find the most over radio right
now is letter writing. There are all kinds of people
who are like, oh, you know, it'd be cool is
to write my my sister a letter, or my my
mom and dad letters. Like I'm gonna sit down with
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a piece of paper in a band, I'm gonna write
a letter. Like why you're just gonna cramp your hand.
Your poor hand is gonna cramp up. You're wasting paper.
You have to then get a stamp, and then you
have to go to the post office or you get
to go to the whatever, like the mailbox in your
building or your house. But it's just too much work
for what. Someone is gonna crumple it up and throw
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it the fucking trash. Who saves letters. Nobody saves letters
except for characters and Jane Austin novels like Get out
of Here with This Letter, people in like Love after
lock Up and I have all the letters he sent
me from the inside. Yeah, he saves letters or saved
letters suck at Charles Mansonez Brothers, Scott Peterson, Shall I continue?
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Who does? Who is it for? I mean because I
try and look at it practically. The reason I don't
write letters is because I have much quicker ways to
communicate with people. And I guess I don't see I'm
not too attached to like I guess the whimsical or
the you know, the value that makes letter writing sort
of attractive. But I don't know. Also, like I just
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I write big block letters and I'll fill up a
page in like three sentences. Oh yeah, my handwriting is
fucking poor, but my mother has beautiful handwriting and shill
like say into her letters with like perfew just something.
I'm like Bob, who gives a fuck just to be
an email type it? Text me, just don't call me
because they don't have time to talk. Don't verbally speak
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to me, whatever you could do. Efficient conversation is more
important than good conversation. In my opinion, what's gonna be
our letter writing? Because I can see why your mother
would say she loves it, because my same Like I
look at my my parents, my grandmother, she had fucking
beautiful handwriting, like you know, a way that I was like,
I get it. This is like graffiti for you know,
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people at home, like they're like, let me throw up
this beautiful letter. But I'm trying to think of what
our dated sort of mode of communication that will insist
on the people like we're off that we all we're
all meeting in the metaverse. Ho. I mean, I think
there's like a classiness vinier to letter writing that like
still persists with some young people like that. It's like
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artisanal email, that's why. But I yeah, there is something
about getting a nice handwritten note, you know, after the fact,
as a gesture, I see the value and maybe it's
like as a gesture like oh wow, look at that.
That's handwriting. That's a little more hard. Go to Hallmark
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and get me a card, Go Papyrus if those still exists,
give me a greeting card. Thanks, signed whoever. Miles Like,
I don't need you to write a fucking tone about
how great my wedding was. Just get out of here.
Do you feel pressured to then return? It is that? Yes,
of course, you have essentially given me extra work. Yeah,
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by doing the work yourself, you have forced me to
give you the labor that you have so graciously pistowed
upon me. No, thank you. If I don't do it,
then I'm the bad guy. And in a sense it's
able is m because I do not have the ability
to write. My handwriting fucking sucks. I'm like handed, it's
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like all over place, ship out of it. So it's
like they're wagging in my face their ability to write beautifully,
and it's just they don't understand what what it would
be like if I tried to write them back. It
would be an ordeal for both of us. I think
our version of it, our generation's version of this sort
of artisanal horseshit is ao ll instant messenger. You know, yeah,
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it's already dead, but we're like I'll remember when you
come home from school and you just like talk all
night with like your crush and you send, you know,
a little emojis that weren't actually emojis because you had
to use like a colon and parentheses to make a
smiley face. Remember that it sucks. It was not that great.
It was it was fine. It was a mode of communication.
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That's it. I don't see anything like cool about it.
Oh are you playing the sound? I was like, what
then is that Oh my god, Wow, I am about
to pop out of my trousers. Is so exciting. I know,
you hit enough, smarter child and saying hey when what
what time? Is a Mortal Kombat playing at the AMC
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North six? Yeah? Where are we? Where are we riding
to tonight? Boys? Or just like flirting with a girl
all night and having like a really intense conversation absolutely nothing.
Oh boy, I think he really likes me. Oh, I
wonder what it's gonna be. Like it's school tomorrow, which
is so which I guess makes sense why Like on
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like app dating is so it has like kind of
similar energy, but most people don't have the same passion
for it like we did a I am because a
lot of people like it's just like I'm dating over text.
I'm like, that is pretty much the only way I
was communicating with a certain point. Yeah, we weren't allowed
to have phones in our rooms, and we had cell phones,
but like they weren't we we didn't have um, you know,
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iPhones at the time. So it was just like, well,
let's get on aim and we'll figure it out. Get
on name and just have very lewed conversations over text
in someone's family room. Yeah, the computer station killed Lord. Yeah,
the computer was just like riddled with viruses and all
kinds of horrible things were being said. Kind of like now,
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I guess that's difference, just like a test run for
the internet pretty much. What is something you think is underrated?
Costco Kirkland signature, I think it's underrated. Which thing though,
which goes like late focus in well, focus on focus in?
Is buying booze at Costco? Like that's something that if
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you're not doing at home, do it now, Like you're
you're wasting your money, You're wasting your life away if
you're not buying booze at Costco having a party, you
don't and get boos at Costco. Costco it's half the price,
and it's twice the size, and they have all of
their mixers, like their their gallon drinks. Those are also cheaper,
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and you just like stock up, go and go every quarter.
You don't even need to wait for a party. Don't
be shame like go on your own, like on the
first of every month, stock up and like just make
it a part of your your ritual, your routine. Right,
do they have wine? While we're on the subject, do
they have. They have the giant wines. There's the regular
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wine bottle, but then there's the magnum. They have Magnum.
I think a Jared Bones the biggest, and there's a
Nevid Kadnezzar is like an even bigger bottle. This is
I had a religion teacher tell us this when we
were sixteen. Is that true? Yeah, it's like the biggest
wine bottle that And you're like what, Like you were
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just talking about the passion, so it's hard to imagine
how it can get bigger than those big Like how
do you even carry that? It's like the side because
it's just like a stupid I guess I don't know.
I just tuned out because he would show like a
man for all seasons rather than like snitching, like and
that was like his whole curriculum and talking about gigantic
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wine bottles. So anyways, shout out to you. I also
have kitchen shears on this list. M I think people
bust out a car cutting board and a knife for
any old thing you can just cut it, just stand
above the pan, snip snip snip, sausages, carrots, and then
I also have the TV show Veronica Mars it's called classic.
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I love it. I think it's Kristen Bell's best work. Yeah,
I bought a yellow nissanics Erica. Is that show? Did
you really know? But I thought that was a cool
car then and I and every time I said, I'm
like right, stand by it. You could you could be like, hey,
who's that? Who's that? That completely missed me? Is that
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a it's like detective? Yeah, it's like a it's like
a grimier Nancy dre in what looks like Van Knives California.
No like magical element to it, no magic element. But
it was only three seasons. It got canceled, and then
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the fan base was so committed that ten years later
they completely crowdfunded a movie and then Hulu picked it
up for the last season. Nice. Yeah, all right, Well
let's take a quick break and we will be right back.
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And we're back, Um and Miles, you brought this article
and vice to my attention about people who are developing Yeah,
it's sociogenic, also called functional disorders. I've called them psychogenic before,
because you know, that's what they're referred to in some
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places because the cause tends to be located in the brain.
But it's it's basically people who are developing ticks based
on who they follow on TikTok who and like people
they follow on TikTok having ticks and like that. The
article also talks about people who can read an article
about someone with MS and then start developing the symptoms
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of MS, so like similar kind of cognitive basis for
physical illnesses. And this hit at the same time that
like this is starting to become taken more seriously in
the Havana syndrome conversation. So yeah, and the whole thing
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with this, like they said, like Jen's there's a lot
of young people between like twelve and twenty five that
have developed like physical ticks, and a lot of these
kids we were possibly convinced that they had Tourette's or
something like that, but when they would go to doctors
who specialize in like this technically isn't turetts. It is
a physical tick, but this wouldn't essentially be Turette's because
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that would develop at a much earlier age for someone.
And these these specialists who like, as they say, their
their whole thing is about Turette's. They've said that they've
seen referrals for these kind of like rapid onset of
like physical ticks. It used to just be around one
to five percent of their total cases before the pandemic.
It's now twenty to thirty percent of their cases now.
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And they they the researchers they quote describe a quote
parallel pandemic of young people aged twelve to twenty five,
almost exclusively girls and women, presenting with the rapid onset
of complex motor and vocal tick like behaviors. They have
been striking commonalities in the phenomenology of these tick like
behaviors observed across our centers in Canada, the United States,
the UK, Germany, and Australia. Curiously, the researchers state that
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for the patients they studied, in addition to experiencing pandemic
related stressors, all endorsed exposure to influencers on social media,
mainly TikTok with ticks or Turette syndrome. So it's like
this weird thing where they're you know, a lot of
people who developed these ticks are saying, you know, people
don't believe them, or people will try to like that's
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not Turette's like you're faking this ship and it's like
causing a lot of distress and things like that. But
these experts are really finding this thing of like this
the isolation and just general stress for certain people has
created this environment in which they're now sort of like
like the content that they've been exposed to on TikTok
is feeding into that. Now. I didn't know there was
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a like TikTok. But the interesting thing about that is
it I feel like there is some sort of subconscious
survival mechanism there, even though it doesn't make sense to
us because it sounds like ticks would be quote unquote
negative in our sense. But if you're watching what you
consider like an influencer or socially you know, a higher
up than you or someone you admire, and your teenage
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girl like one of the most important things at that
time for survival is to feel accepted. So I could
totally draw the line. I mean, I'm not assignedist, this
would be wrong, but my first thought is subconsciously, your
body wants to like adapt and fit in, So it
would pick that up because I remember when we were
in high school, people were saying speaking like Valley girls.
There was a girl who faked her voice all through
high school, just like she it wasn't her real voice,
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but she would just fake it and she would never
go up break character. But when she was younger, it
wasn't like that. It was just to sound like a
little more like a girly girl like that, the whole thing.
And it's it's wild because it's you know, they've tried
to figure out from every level, like is it really this,
but they keep going back to the thing that they said.
In some cases, the patients specifically identified in association between
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these media exposures and the onset of their symptoms. So
it's just this this conversation, this I don't know, this
back and forth between the psychological, emotional, and physical that
are all kind of manifesting into this other. You know,
they say like in like a mini pandemic within the pandemic. Yeah,
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I guess I'm curious if it's dangerous. I mean, I
understand anything unknown is scary and we want especially if
it's spreading that fast. But and that definitely something about
this is unsettling. But I'm curious why they've named it
an epidemic, Like is do my understanding that there are
a lot of ticks that are harmless, right, and some
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people report ones that are way more violent and like
they will hit themselves or they're you know, and it
and it could be something from just some people were
just saying beans. A lot other people would just like
you know, have other things like like scrunching their nose
or other sort of physical ticks. But it ran the
entire spectrum of these sort of involuntary movements. So this
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uh Havana syndrome article that kind of approaches that from
this perspective speaks with a lot of people who are
experts on what they call functional disorders, and there they
say that it's like not like to approach it as
like okay, so this is expressing like some subconscious need
or is kind of counterproductive because it's really like more
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about approaching it from the neurological perspective. And they like
tell the story of this guy who just like suddenly
started having really bad lower back pain and fever and chills,
and then like went to the hospital and like they
couldn't figure out what was wrong with him, and he
like couldn't for a year and a half, like nobody
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knew what was wrong with him. It was like he
couldn't walk anymore. And then this expert was just like, no,
it's not like it's not a thing. It The doctors
eventually were like, it's psychogenic. It's starting your brain, and
he was like, fuck you, because that's like there's a
a stigma to it, and it sounds like, oh, you're
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making it up, and that's not what's happening. What's happening.
It is something that is happening to you. You're you
have control over it. The brain is this massive, massive,
like more massive than we can possibly comprehend machine with
like so so much happening and we only have like
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a access to like a small little pinhole of consciousness,
and so you're not choosing anything. This is something that's
happening to you, and that that seems like basically the
scientific consensus at this point, even though like the way
that The New Yorker and some other New York Times
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articles have covered it has been like, well, these doctors
think it's this brain injury caused by microwaves, Like anybody
who's an expert like says like it's impossible. What you're
talking about is physically impossible. The sound waves thing. People
are still calling it ultrasound. They point out that like
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when we use ultrasound on like a pregnant woman's belly,
like that gel is there, because if there's a single
little pocket of air in between like the ultrasound and
the thing it's trying to reach, it'll completely destroy it.
Like you can't ultrasound can't travel through air. Sound can't
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travel through air in an effective way. Microwaves same deal,
Like you would basically feel like you are being cooked
in a microwave oven, not like you are have are
having a very specific targeted thing in your brain. The
other thing they point to is that with these functional disorders,
like the symptoms usually last longer than a physical injury,
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because what what's happening is it's like getting locked into
because of like stress and fear and like social conditions.
It's getting locked into like neurological pathways, and then you
can't get out of them because it's not actually a
physical thing that you're recovering. So, like they with regards
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to Havannah, they said, one of the reasons that they
can tell that it's a functional disorder is that the people,
like if all these people had just been like hit
on the head with something very heavy, like that's not
what happened. But like they were saying, they like had
brain trauma. If everybody had had suffered brain trauma at
the time that they felt like they had been attacked,
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they would have healed within weeks. But instead they're still
experiencing the symptoms like years later. And so they're like,
that is a text a textbook sign that this is
a functional disorder. It's just wild that they because even
as you're saying that, like there's phrases like oh, it's
in your head, right, which we come to know as
like you're making it up. But then when you said
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it in a scientific way, like it's something happening in
the brain, we're like, yeah, that's a physical part of
your body. Is actually a pretty important part of your
body something It also does other things, right, like regulate
your blood flow or whatever, Like it does other things
that were not like I can't believe you lifted your arm.
It's all in your head. It's like, no, my my
brain told me to lift my arms. So that I
can answer this question, why is that different from like
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it's hurting my back, except in this case, I don't
know why, like just because it came from my brain
doesn't mean I'm all asshole, who's doing this to waste
your time? Doctor? You know read builds are expensive. So
I find that, like it's such a strange cognitive dissonance
of our health care system. I think people get so
scared to be like seen as like hokey or like
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veering into like any alternative medicine, that we forget that
there are a lot of old, like old ways, ancient medicine,
ancient learnings that aren't perfect, but neither are Western medicines,
and like if we just take that line away and
just look at more truth, we can bridge the gap
and figure out more things. Yeah, or in this case,
just being able to not revert to like this very
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rigid way of diagnosing things like where you know, like
really and to your point of being open and things
like yeah, this, if they're saying it, it's we should
also know that it's very quite possible that they're experiencing
something that is not known to me because I might
not have an area of expertise in this place. But
take this person's word for it rather than saying like
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a yeah, whatever, you're just you're fucking tripping. There's a
lot more research now about like what like the MDR
and all that stuff about how you can actually re
reprocess those patterns that don't get stored correctly. And it's
a little different than this, but it sounds similar. When
you said there's like a path kind of that gets
glitchy and you repeat a glitch over and over, it's
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very similar to add addiction therapy is like very similar.
But so this guy Jason Lindsley, who now is like
openly like I suffered from this thing called a functional
movement disorder for a year and a half. The way
that he treated it was he met with this guy
who's an expert or actually it's a woman in Louisville, Kentucky,
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was an expert who basically just did these like got
him to be on board with it. It's like, no,
it's not. It's not a mental thing. It's a neurological
like brain thing that like you have no control over.
They like put him through these therapies that were just
about like motor retraining designed to overcome his resistance to
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normal movements. Physical therapists began by asking him to take
miniscule movements of his feet, and he spent part of
each day undergoing cognitive behavioral therapy, and like a week
later he walked out of the clinic like nothing had
ever been wrong with him, and so it's yeah, and
he's like, yeah, that's what what it was. It was
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a functional disorder. That doesn't mean like I had something
wrong with me, It's just that's the thing that happens.
I do think it's interesting that we're seeing more and
more of these functional disorders at a time when we're
having more and more you know, Theresa, like you were saying,
like kind of having to sublimate and like deal with
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stress and like use cognitive dissonance just to get through
our day to day lives, like just having to deal
with the fact that we live on a planet that
is like dying and nobody's doing anything about it. And
you know, it just seems like there's more internal stress
that we're not able to address or even express in
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our day to day lives than ever before. So it
kind of makes sense to me that we would be
having these things like kind of coming out of our
own conscious and attacking our our body more than we
have in the past. Well, and the age is interesting too,
because like I think I'm just beyond that age where
even though I can be Internet savvy, most of my
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development years were spent in the real world, Like you know,
the screens and apps weren't as big, whereas with the
pandemic plus the Internet age gen z, I think virtually
in their brain don't distinguish an interaction online versus in
real life like they can tell you it is. It's
not like they're like I can tell but in terms
of like if someone confesses their love, if someone bullies them,
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I think that in their brain it has a semifa
maybe yeah, Whereas for me it might be different because
I remember, you know, wanting to go to the school
dances and getting and flirting in person. I've had my
share of flirting online, but it's a little bit different
because I was older, you know what I mean, Like
I didn't have It's not like that that like first
introduction to those sensations. So I feel like that must
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be a part of it too, because they're online and
they're developing by watching, whereas we can just grow past thinking, oh,
it's just like a character on a screen. Sure, I
mean it's just yeah, but there I mean we I mean,
I was definitely like I modeled shipped off of TV
when I was younger, so there may be carry face.
I was going around everywhere going like some somebody stop me.
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I know the tattoo, but yeah, I feel like, yo,
get that lasered off. Or a book also enters everyw
like Cramer kicks on the door and sledge when I
say what's up, Jerry, and they're like, what's up, Jerry?
Nothing anyway? Uh no, but this it Yeah, these differences
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are I think we're starting to see right like we're
in an age where there are people who have been
interacting with screens and apps that are designed to manipulate
your brain, and then you're adding these isolate like the
isolation of a pandemic, plus like the lack of social
contact and additional stress and things like that. It's I
can only imagine like that this is probably some we're
(30:34):
seeing an experiment basically play out on some level of
trying to understand like how all of these things may
interact at a certain age. But yeah, it's it's but
I mean it's so the Havana syndrome thing is happening
to like grown adult bureaucrats, like kind of the opposite
end of the spectrum from young teenage people who are
on TikTok. But it's still I I I always want
(30:58):
to like kind of resist the urge to blame technology,
even though I know there's like a lot of new
ship happening, Like I do think that just across the board,
everybody's under more stress than they've ever ever been under,
and it's like stress that nobody is acknowledging kind of money.
(31:19):
You guys got to shake it out. Okay, look, I
know it sounds still in your head. I used to
just like when I get sad, I would just start
like shaking my butt, and I thought that was funny.
But over the pandemic, I started realizing that this isn't
just a weird thing I do. I think it's like
a smart thing I do. I think it's like those
stress needs to come out some way. So shake your
(31:39):
butt at home, guys, do it save shake your butt
to yourself. Okay, don't flash in a body that is
gonna be flashing when you shake your butt. Are you
like half are you trying? Like what do you mean?
Just like one like this, I wish my computer wasn't
so because I know I could hear you were shaking,
but I could not see it. I could just see frozen.
(32:01):
It's like since I was a kid, I know it
sounds ridiculous. As an adult woman, I'm like, I'm shaking
my butt, but like babies literally will like shake their
butt like that, you know, And then I'm growing up
to actually dance and torque and whatever. So yeah, I'll
put on music I like and like actually start to
move around and feel myself, you know, like this is
a fun move whatever. But I'll do that for something
like ten minutes while I'm cooking and just, uh, it
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seems silly, but during pandemic, when I was like the
most isolated, it was almost like a daily thing. It
just I'll just get the art to do it. And
I think it was literally my body being like time
to get all the news of today out through your butts,
like you but yeah, there's there's your cult though. You
(32:44):
get people shaking their butts and like, you know, but
you give them that information, right they process information, but
then process that do but wiggling. But okay, I could
go for that. That we're closer to a cold I
might actually take on. So yeah, you know, I can
break my brek going to build this thing when you
feel sad, but I was just picturing someone like crying
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while like just sadly shaking that. Uh, all right, let's
move on to where we're at with unemployment in the US.
I know, like in the in the mainstream media, there's
a lot of headlines about US misses its jobs number
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for fucking whatever August. I don't know, I don't know
whatever month we just lived through, and so that that's
going to filter down to us in some sort of
probably in humane policy. But well, you know, we've also
in the past talked about how other countries are experimenting
with a four day work week and having great results. Yeah,
(33:53):
it's just it's just wild to see, Like when I'm
scrolling news headlines, one thing will be like, you know,
Scotland all so now participating in pilot program for four
day work week, and then the next one is like
seven point five million people will lose some or all
of their unemployment benefits. And the just difference in just
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the basics on how we look at employment and working
and the culture around work and what it means for
like the actual human beings. Because yeah, like we've talked
about this a lot. How much like we love, we
love a four day work week around here, like as
an idea, I mean, it makes sense. Whatever is more
efficient is what should be happening because that allows people
to live more of their lives with their families or
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their passions or whatever it may be. And you know,
the last thing we saw was like this huge study
that was like years long. They said, hey, man, we're
having a real hard time finding an excuse why a
thirty two hour work week wouldn't be good for people.
And most recently, I think in twenty nineteen in Japan.
Microsoft Japan again, but Japan is fucking you want to
(34:58):
talk about work culture where like, you know, Japan, only
a few places people like in a modern country or
developed country where people die from overworking like an office
job and like that kind of exhaustion. So for Japan
to kind of even engage with like maybe there's a
better way to do this, I was like, Okay, well
what's going on? So Microsoft they gave twenty three they're
(35:20):
like all their employees, twenty three hundred of them in
Japan specifically, they said you can choose like your own,
you know, flexible work style that's gonna kind of come
out to a four day work week, and let's just
see if there would be something good that comes out
of it. They fucking had a forty percent increase in
productivity and then like exponential growth in people's like feelings
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of positivity and like just feeling better about their quality
of life just because they had the flexibility to figure
out how they could work in a in a more
efficient way. They even said, look, we're not even gonna
have fucking meetings that are more than thirty minutes, Like,
let's really figure out how to make things as efficient
as possible. In the US, we've had a congress person
introduce a bill that he's saying, like, yeah, in America,
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we should look at a thirty two hour work week.
We really need to do it because all of the
data we have supports this move. And again, as he says,
shorter work week would benefit both employers and employees alike.
Pilot programs run by governments and businesses across the globe
of showing promising results. Productivity climbed report, people reported better
work life balance, less need to take sick days, heightened morale,
(36:27):
and lower childcare expenses because people have more times with
their families and children. It's just all fucking there, but
we won't do it. And meanwhile, you know, you juxtapose
that with what we're looking at in the u S,
which is cut the benefits to force someone into a
situation where they have to take a job that they
don't want, because that's where we're at, that's the that's
(36:50):
currently the like the philosophy, or at least a lot
of the economic analysts are like, well, we have eight
and a half million people unemployed and we have ten
million job openings, so I think that's gonna fit. You know, Yeah,
that's gonna fit like a fucking glove. And we're continue
to see that that's not the case, and we still
get these same dumb, fucking fake cass talking points or
(37:13):
the unemployment benefits are making people lazy and ship like that.
And there was a new new research came out. For
every eight workers who lost benefits, only one found a job.
So even people who lost job like lost jobs, they
were having trouble finding the work that was actually relevant
to them. They said, the leading reasons why unemployed aren't
taking jobs have little to do with government money and
(37:33):
everything to do with health and economic crisis, child care scarcity,
and cost fear. Of getting or spreading COVID nineteen and
taking care of someone with the disease or getting sick
themselves according to the survey, And we're kind of like
stuck in this loop of like just only measuring our
success based on shareholder value. It's so toxic the way
(37:53):
that the mainstream media covers the ship because it like
these are people making the best decisions for their health,
for their ability to survive. It's the same ship with
the the unhoused population has gone down, but they're more
conspicuous now because they're not going to shelters anymore because
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they know that shelters are deadly because their COVID outbreaks
there in a lot of cases, and so they're living
on the streets and accumulating things that they need to
live on the streets. So now you are seeing the
unhoused population in your community much more than you used to,
and the like it's not being covered as like yeah,
(38:38):
of course they're doing that because that's what is saving
their lives, Like that's what it's just being covered like, well,
this is disgusting, like it's a problem, and like the
same with like people not going back to work. It's
like turned into laziness instead of you don't want to
be out in like a place that doesn't respect your
fucking like like your health, like especially right now while
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we're living through a global pandemic. But the like that's
everywhere like across the center. Yeah, we did an episode
on we the Royal We I did an episode on
the politics about the ending of these unemployment benefits and
what what Miles brought up as far as like the
theory being, well, if you're getting free money, why would
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you go back to work? And how that's just not
playing out like the the owner of um What's the
job Monster was was the the job site? Yeah, he
was like, we're just not seeing it in the states
that y'all ended it early. Who was ain't applying for jobs?
And when we did that episode, they was what was
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in the news then was like Applebee's was offering free
appetizers or if you came to get an interview. And
to me, it's like to your point, Jack, like when
you think about economic models, like economy models, you know,
sociological trends, it's like, I just there's this weird like
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but are y'all talking to actual people though, because like
your models and who are you modeling it by? I
remember in economics, I remember my undergrad you had they
had the the the average man was like what you
what you modeled all of your economic models on? But
like that's not a real person. You know, nobody has
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nobody actually has two point five kids. You know what
I'm saying, Like, that's not a person. So it's like,
how you modeling your whole model and what you're telling
me things is happening based on a human that don't exist.
If you just actually talk to a human that exists,
the ship makes perfect sist. Why would I go back
to his job? You had a year off on a
job to realize this job was bullshit. I was tired
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all the damn time. I ain't to work and you
ain't pay me enough? Why the hell would I go back? Right?
Like they just like this just seems so easy, Like
or if you're an employer, just go I wonder why
nobody's coming give it getting our jobs. Maybe we should
offer appetizers or maybe you benefits money, Like how about
pay them better? How about treat people better? Why do
(41:20):
you think did and just like yeah, the homeless thing
is just like it's like you're not talking to actual people.
Do shame makes sense if you just talk to actual people, right, Yeah,
because everything is is done on a balance sheet, and
that's why it's so violent, because it doesn't take into
account people's humanity. They just look at well, eight and
a half million people with new jobs. I got ten
(41:40):
million jobs opening. The recovery is only a matter of time.
But it's right there for you. Yeah, they're not just yeah,
it's just the idea they're you know, they're not just
looking at it at as humans. They can't do it.
There's no nuance to it. It's not eight and a
half million desperate people, you know what I mean. It's
and they're not seeing it. It's not. This is not
a half million people were maybe many of them need
(42:03):
to take care of a sick child or having a
parent they have to take care of. It's definitely the
way they look at it. It definitely can't be someone
who's living in a region where housing and food insecurity
is like a real threat. It certainly isn't somebody who
is going through an emotionally trying time because they've lost
a lot of loved ones and a job and it's
an omni crisis for this this person, because it's easier
(42:25):
just to say, well, this number, this number equals problem solved.
But that works only for a little bit, because now
you're just seeing all of the blood and carnage that
comes out of treating people like fucking numbers and not
as human beings with the vidual needs that have to
be taken into consideration. And it's not accurate, and and
it's becoming less and less, so like on it could
(42:46):
happen here the You're fellow Cool Zone media podcast Daily
Show U a Lebron James. Yeah, Roberts are Lebron James, Okay,
but they they interview to an economist who was saying
that now that everything is fucked basically now that we
(43:06):
are living in a you know, post normal world where
like everything from temperatures to disease spread to you know,
the the environment are no longer at a point of
equilibrium that they call it, like they you need to
be thinking about the economy as the way that like
(43:27):
desert environmentalists think about the desert, which is like if
you if you average the temperature of a desert, it's
going to give you like seventy but that's because it
drops to forty and then goes up to in the morning.
But like economists are working on it from from an average,
and it's just not gonna it's not going back to
(43:48):
the average any anytime. So yeah, I think when I
when I another one in my past life, when I
when I was teaching high school, I thought I didn't
like this. The school was like rice smack dab in
between sort of three different like hoods. And there was
a little boys and girls club that was like across
(44:11):
the street from the school. And I remember my the
administration put together this total like tutoring in after school program.
They I mean, boy, when I tell you, they was
breaking their arms, patting themselves on the back with this
uh this little after school program. They did this enrichment
for these you know, these inner city kids who you
know need these programs and for the life of them.
(44:33):
I remember sitting in this meeting me and that I
remember the vice principle was used from content. So we
we used to just look at each other during these
meetings and just be like, what what are y'all doing?
You know what I'm saying, But they don't know where
they are right, so they would make yes they're and
just just so confused. I remember these people just being
so befuddled as to why students that they thought needed
(44:57):
this wouldn't come. Why don't they in that? And I'm
like part of the town, like you, I don't even
have to finish it. I don't even have to finish it.
See what I'm saying. They're like, it's there for them.
It's like you, like you, Okay, you're trying to ask
this kid to walk through Flujah. You know what I'm saying,
to go to like like not like it's just just
(45:18):
the fact that like I just don't understand why I
have to tell you this. Like you work here, you're
talking to the same students I'm talking to, Like I
don't understand what you don't understand, Like what is you
looking at? And like you said, you're looking at documents.
You're saying, well, the average temperature seventy degrees And it's like, okay,
it's you're distant for many of the students who would
(45:38):
be it's easy to walk to I can't understand for snacks. Yeah,
I'm like, wait, what does it mean to go on
the other side of Hyde Park? Oh? I don't know,
you know what I mean? And they're like, it's it's
really yeah. And again it's because we don't have we're
not taking into account people's humanity. We have people who
(45:58):
look at human life, his facts and figures, and we
just can't were It's just it's wild too, I think
all of us, because even in the situation you're talking about,
or we're talking about, if you speak to people and
understand what the threat the threats are to their well being,
then you can actually make a better decision rather than
(46:19):
just like this brutal, fucking math of like the million people,
no jobs, ten million jobs. Cut the fucking and let's
see what happens. Because the first thing in this research
that was done too, they said, when people's benefits get
caught up, the first thing isn't that they go looking
for a job. They start tightening up and they start
spending less. That's what happened. That's the first thing. People
(46:40):
do not go say, Okay, well, now I guess I'll
take a job that will not acknowledge my offer me
any dignity or anything, or acknowledge my humanity, and I'll
go back to this old way. So yeah, it's a
tough And then like and then I Also here I
have people whom I know, we're like, well it's different,
have a small business and things like that, Well then
you should be advocating for medicare for all. Hell think
(47:01):
about it aren't costs, Those aren't costs you would have
to have anymore because that ship would be covered. And
I know that's a huge that's a huge item of
financial burden as an employer is providing those things. So
then get on board because you can make it easier
for yourself too. And I and I'm not trying to
say it's all that simple, but we really need to
begin to shift how we look at the most basic
(47:21):
issues and and put humanity at the forefront or people's
individual experience to understand how to give people the best
outcomes with these policies. I love how you even add
like just the this is in your own best interest situation.
It's like if you got employees happy, people stick around,
(47:42):
like I want you to like it here, you know
what I'm saying, Like so like I don't understand, Like
that's to your benefit? You know what I'm saying. And
like you said, when I think about like my assistant
that you know I pay like I pay her what
I pay her because I don't want her to leave.
She good at her job. So I'm like, okay, well,
(48:04):
what's it gonna take for you to be for you
to have to go be somebody else's assistant to make
ends me because I'm like, I can't afford that I
need your attention, So I'm gonna pay you enough to
make sure your attentions here. And if you say, if
you tell me that's the problem, like, hey, I'm gonna
need a little more. We're moving into this, then like,
all right, let's figure it out, because I can't afford
(48:25):
to lose you like it don't make I'm not gonna
be like, well you should be lucky. I'm letting you
like nah, Like even on a selfish situation, That's what
I'm saying. Even in my own self interest, it makes
sense to be like, oh, you're telling me. You're telling
me insurance is off my books. It's on the States books.
Hell yeah, I ain't got paid for it. Okay, cool,
let's go. You know, like y'all they're tripping. Man, I
(48:46):
don't understand why nobody. It just seems so logical, like
you said, right, and it's and I think because we're
we have so much propaganda that we're hit with constantly
that it's it takes a lot of your time effort
to even look past all that ship and try and
see the things for what they are. And it's tough
for a lot of people. But until we really get there,
(49:07):
I mean, we're gonna just keep making the same mistakes.
I mean that I will just say that it's you know,
look at Jeff Bezos, like, you know, there there's the
examples where it's better, it's more sustainable for society, But
we also have a World's Richest Man that the last
twenty five years have created whose primary innovation was treating
(49:30):
people like ship. So like the the rewards are there
for the people who do the short term thinking and
just grind it until the wheels fall off and like,
and then they get to go to space. And when
they go to space, it gets covered five times as
much as fucking climate change. So it's just it's it's
a large social problem of like what what we reward
(49:54):
with our attention and what we reward with like the
the rewards in our in our culture. Yeah, we have
to redefine what bolling is and bolling should just be
providing for your community. That's you know, not exploiting the
people that work for you so you can take off
on a spaceship. That's yeah, that's like early two thousand's baling.
(50:15):
And you know what, I think we don't we're not connecting,
like how much, how much good comes out of people
having empathy and that that is truly something that you know,
I wish society we could reward people with more for
having that the forefront of the things that they do. Yeah,
all right, let's take another quick break and we'll be
(50:35):
right back. And we're back, and we're just talking to
break them that out the creek. I've never heard a
sound like that. His lies always contain big guys, like
these generals, they're big and handsome. And they told me,
(50:58):
they said, you're the greatest president since Washington maybe, And
this one contained like big firefighters coming to sweep him
off his feet. Huge huge, These firefighters were huge, and
they whisked me out of there, took me to their place.
And there's even a super cud of him talking about
big strong guys. L the size of that guy, powerful guy.
(51:22):
You know, I have a friend, big guy, one of
the biggest in the world. That's some big people behind me.
Guy big strong, big strong guy is big strong guy.
I mean, you know, so he's definitely like, yeah, sure
he loves a friend, big guy, one of the biggest
in the world, the biggest size of Christmas Hams. Did
(51:48):
he did he say that Christmas Hams thing old? You
know you're going to see his biceps. They were like
they were like the kinds of chains they used to
put on the side of navy battleships. So strong, so strong. Anyways,
you think he I would love. I wonder if, like Loki,
(52:08):
he's paid an artist to do like a like a
romance novel cover with him being swept away by one
of these like these big guys he's always talking about,
you know, like a fabio esque just big chiseled guy.
You should have seen him. He swept me away from
the rebel. Really, it felt so safe in his arms.
And that's how I want the country to feel with
my new military plan. Just feel you're just tender and
(52:32):
you're in the arms of a guy with biceps the
side of Christmas Hams just as sticky, and you're like,
how did you get the clothes in there? And the
hatch work on the cut on the fat. He's really impressive.
Al Right, well, I guess it shouldn't be surprising given
(52:53):
who was elected president twice sixteen, that America hasn't been
like super respectful classy when it comes to never forgetting
nine eleven. So our writer j M kind of took
a look back at you know, nine eleven, the national
tragedy and merchandizing bonanza, and yeah, there's some wild ship
(53:18):
in here. So there was a big run of coins
that came out very early on. There's a medallion allegedly
made from recycled steel from the World Trade Center that
costs a mere thirty dollars and they this is you know, noble.
They set aside five thousand to ten thousand medallions for
(53:41):
the victims families at no charge. So like this kind yeah,
so we we turned this murder scene into a neck
chain for other people to buy. But here's for free
one for you because it's such a terrible loss. So sorry.
In two thousand four, there were coins supposedly minted from
silver recovered ground zero, which I don't know from the
(54:04):
pocket change of the victims. Like it wasn't there that
like rumor that there was this like vault or something
in the fucking basement. Oh some I just remember some
weird folksy bullshit thing of like, you know, there was
like a lot of precious medal in there too, But
I don't know. I mean, it could be true, but
maybe it was recovered. But I remember that was like
(54:24):
a big like a ground zero three kings where they're
going going in depending, Yeah, what part of the internet
you were on at the time, right, So these they
actually claimed were legally authorized silver dollars, which they weren't.
They were actually made by a novelty company that also
produced Harry Potter coins, which also not acceptable as legal
(54:48):
tender as far as I know. And then in in eleven,
the federal government started selling their own nine eleven commemorative
coin for you gotta market up so that you know,
you can take advantage of the fact that it's the
real deal from the people who brought you nine eleven
(55:08):
eleven coin. Sorry about our foreign policy, y'all. Here's a
coin directed by m Night Shamalan, sponsored by night shanating
who could say, no, what a specific number? Two? Why
does it have to be fifty seven dollars? Like what
is you know, is that the market number to make
(55:30):
you feel like, oh, they were thinking about how value
all that is. Probably they could have just had a hundred,
but I think it's really probably worth close to fifty seven.
The government is honest. There was a non coin related merchandise,
the nine eleven coloring book for children, which you know
there was for the ladies. I'm sure, yeah, that there
(55:54):
was an image of Osama bin Laden being executed while
cowering behind a woman in a Muslim his job, which
is the text from the page. Yeah, so this is
so funny. Man, Like they just basically turned never forget
and to be like, never forget, we're now painting all
people from the Middle East as evildoers. Never forget that
(56:17):
the script we're sticking to now, Like it was never
about the United States, because that's just this malleable concept
that people bandy around so disingenuously to bolster whatever fucked
up ideology they have. It's never about the actual country,
just sort of saying, well, this is the thing you
can't attack, so I'll put the country in front of
me and then that will protect whatever nonsense I'm advocating for.
(56:39):
Because it was like the other thing with the merchandise
is I remember every TV show they were like doing
stuff and people fucking wrapped up in the flag and
ship and crying and they're like, I just feel so
special to be part of this country. And it truly
was put us in this error where you could not
criticize the United States, like people who were on the
news saying like, well, the reason people wanted to attack
(57:00):
the United States is because of all the destabilizing activity
that we do in the region that creates the hottest
movements and things like that, and they're like they're vanished
because you know, a fucking fighter jet is gonna like
nut red, white, and blue over like a football game
or some ship. I think a huge part of that is,
like not that Americans aren't or some Americans aren't racist already,
(57:24):
but I think to keep people obsessed with America, they
have to convince everyone that the rest of the world
isn't free and you're the only one that's free, and
that's why you should be so proud, as opposed to
like the reality, which is there's lots of places that
you know, free healthcare and like when you have a baby,
you can stay home with your baby and yeah, what's
(57:45):
that place? Sounds scary? Yeah? Do they have challenge coins
to commemorate their They don't have merch though, that's I mean,
that's where they lose me. You know. It was also
like one of the most lucrative kind of storylines that
America has ever because, like after the Cold War, the
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military industrial complex didn't really know what to do with themselves,
and then this gave them a new purpose. So they
successfully cashed in. But it was generally like seen as
not a great look when like Walmart recreated the towers
out of cases of soda. Yeah, which is there? I
(58:31):
think a lot of people have seen that picture. But
you got the red, white, and blue with the pepsi,
diet coke and coke cans, and then the towers are
made of coke zero. And the thing is that people
were mad that they were mixing pepsi and coke products.
It was the should have done all pepsi because pepsi
solves all of the world's injustices. Right, Yes, we've long
(58:52):
said that. Yeah. Can you imagine if they had that
same ad agency around nine eleven, if they were like
with the Kendall Jenner, if they try to do something.
It's like, Mohammed Ata here, I think you just want
this pepsi sir. Yeah, yeah, she's a flight attendant. Yeah yeah,
Oh my god. Yeah. I would have been United ninety
(59:14):
three or whatever the funk and it would have been
a pepsi at this. That's what this, again, is so
weird about everything, is that there's not there's nothing, there's
no sanctity to anything every because and I think that's
really what all this reveals is there's nothing sacred in
this country, absolutely fucking nothing, not even human life, because
(59:34):
it'll just be a fucking merch display or a commemorative
blanket or a coin because someone else doesn't give a fuck.
They just know that they can use these events to
make more money or more furious. So never forget. Nothing
is sacred here. The nine eleven Museum is still open.
(59:55):
The gift shop is still like putting out products like
a he's cutting board, a nine eleven commemorative cheese tray
where it's in the shape of the United States and
their little hearts where the hijacked airplanes went down. So
you know, there's something like meta about taking a knife
(01:00:18):
to a board that the something about that this is
I'm not sure who made it, but it was an
official selection. They like the person who runs the museum's
gift shop, which again, the nine I Love Museum maybe
maybe shouldn't have a gift shop, but the person who
(01:00:38):
runs was like, we're carefully selecting products to make sure
they're tasteful, and yeah, and apparently this fell under that category.
And it's also just kind of extra fucked up because
the nin Love Museum also has unidentified remains on the
premises of so like many relatives of it have actively
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protested just the idea of having fucking people selling mugs
and t shirts and scarves wet boards yet because maybe
that's some of them. They are pretty they do look
pretty nice. Yeah, yeah, what do you what kind of
fucking again, Like, there's so many things wrong with this
cutting tray, cheeseboard, fucking sharkcou terrorism boards that they've got,
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but like, the only thing that this has it's a
ceramic outline of the United States with just three fucking
stars painted on like parts of the northeast. That's really
so they've I'm sure they reappropriated some ceramic moons that
all right, put stars there. It's nine eleven My next
thing is, if you are putting this platter together, are
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you like really treating that section of the cheese board
is sacred? You're not gonna lay a shipload of crackers
and shipped on top of it and like honeycomb and
further disrespect the matter. I just don't everything about it.
Like I don't even know how you present it in
a way that someone goes, oh my god, is this
a nine eleven commemorat is that's so thoughtful of you?
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Like this is You're such an ace with the decor.
You know, I love it, Thank you so much, and
like yeah, and and these wine eleven glasses that you made,
I love it. I love it. I mean does have
to exist, right, there has to be wine eleven at
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this point. I mean, haven't we reached eleven? You can't
help but forget or something like that where it's like,
oh my god, whine eleven. Never forget your corkscrew. There
you go. The gift shop is still going today, selling
everything from toy cars for sixty dollars that look like
just twenty doll toy cars, but they have never forget
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written on the hood. And then there's also like a
bunch of T shirts twenty years later, limited edition collection
of just garbage. I just looked on say and there's
some nine eleven like twenty years later. Never forget face masks,
and I just don't think that the audience where never
forget memorabilia and wears a mask ever overlap. Yeah, it's
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kind of a wasteful product. Really. That's an interesting person though.
I'd like, where's that New York Times profile. They're multifaceted,
for sure, Yeah, but yeah, it's just I don't know. Yeah,
it's bad. So it's been twenty years. I mean Jesus,
like it's it's been so long, and you think of
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how things have changed so drastically just in the last
few years, but how we're still like really having a
problem having a real again because America hates a reckoning,
having a reckoning with this supposed war on terror and
the amount of money that was just hissed away while
everything just went by the wayside here in the country. Yea, yeah,
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I mean, it's just I don't know. I'm I'm just
thinking back with like how that fucking I remember the
city in l A. People were so hopped up on
that patriotism ship. It was fucking wild, Like every street
turned into some like fucking jingle with It's just like
everything was a parade suddenly, except for specific parts of
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the city. But yeah, like I just felt like everything
else was just just this like weird fever dream that
people went through in those first couple of years and
like completely ignored what was actually at state. Yeah, hey,
but the government knows what they're doing like that. All right,
that's gonna do it for this week's weekly zeitguys, please
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