Weekly Zeitgeist 300 (Best of 11/13/23-11/17/23)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Weekly Zeitgeist.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Uh. These are some of.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into
one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well Miles,
we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
by an award winning staff writer for Slate whose work
focuses on identity and religion, and who has been doing
invaluable reporting on what is happening in Israel right now.
He's appeared on CNN, n p R, most importantly this show,

(00:43):
He's been featured in The New York Post, adwe Awker,
the Huffing Post. Please welcome back to the show. Amen,
it's my brother.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
What's happening? Welcome salam Bro mmmmmmmmmm, I know it's I know, man,
I know, we were just talking. I was like, I
was like, it's been a minute, and I was like,
we got to have you back, and I shit, is
so fucking horrible wherever you look. And I know, with
the work that you do, having such proximity to what's

(01:15):
happening in Gaza and the West Bank and everything, I know,
it's very difficult. So like, honestly, I really we really
appreciate it coming on because it's not easy.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
But I'm really glad you guys aren't afraid to talk
about it. I've been listening to the show and you
guys have had some of the best critiques, responses and
the most fiery rhetoric. So shouts out to you guys
for for keeping it up and for inviting me for real.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh no, it's just you, yeah man. And and again
I think it's also important, like we've had you know,
like guest so on to speak about what's been going on.
But I think also one thing we've talked about really
consistently is how the media is portraying things and how
consent is being manufactured for some really grizzly awful things.
We want to call it genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, whatever,

(01:58):
pick one. So I think, yeah, having your insight today
is also going to be really invaluable for not just
us but everybody listening. So again, man, I know it's
thank you. Yeah, I know how difficult it is to
talk about this stuff too, but honestly, we just yeah,
we were glad to have you, man. We're glad to
have I've got it. I've got one.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Check, I've got one in the chamber already, So just
let me know. First of all, let me answer your
first question. I condemned Hamas. Yeah, okay, okay, uh huh
oh good. I'm glad you saw that in the dock.
But does he condemn Hamas?

Speaker 2 (02:31):
But to condemn them? Okay. Now, it's a.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Weird because it sounds like I'm coming back and like
saying that is a response.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
But that was the first thing written in the dock.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
But do you, sir? However, I'm sorry I haven't said
anything yet. However, do you, sir, condemn ham what's new
with you?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Crazy?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
It's been crazy watching It's been crazy watching the news because,
you know, the contrary to what most people say, I
think we still are in the golden age of media.
There are still there are so many amazing reporters who
are doing such amazing work. It's just incredible the kind
of work that's coming out right now. However, at the
same time, there's some of the worst work. But anyways,

(03:12):
what I'm trying to say is that it's people who
are working journalism now know the game. They know how
to keep their skepticism. They know how to draw out
the story in an interesting way. What I can't understand
is how when it comes to just this one thing,
whenever it comes to Palestine, everybody forgets all their training.

(03:34):
It's like we're starting from scratch just now. It just
drives me nuts seeing so many people make so many mistakes,
taking the Israeli militaries narrative as fact and casting doubt
and shadow into anything on the like on the other side,
regardless of who it's coming from, which to me is like,

(03:54):
you guys, see what you're doing, right, but you see
it everywhere and it's been driving me nuts.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, is it a mistake at that? Like is it
or is it just kind of their marching orders and
what they think they have to do like at this point,
you know, But yeah, it's a fucking nightmare out there.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Sarah. What is something from your search history that's revealing
about who you are?

Speaker 5 (04:16):
I was doing a deep dive on Suzanne Summers today, Okay, yeah, yeah,
And I don't know you all are probably too young
to remember Three's Company, but it was.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Hey about it. I agree.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
I agree with the sentiment.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
Jack Tripper was my first first celebrity crush. Oh John Ritter, Yeah,
and anyway, Suzanne Summers she recently died. Yeah, I mean
she died I think a week ago, or no, a
month ago. She died a month ago, October fifteenth. She
died anyway, So she wrote twenty five books. Did you
know that?

Speaker 7 (04:50):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Wow? I mean I think my knowledge of her went
from obviously there's an agam do they'll be waiting for you.
Like I was old enough to watch Three's Company reruns,
and then I was like, oh, and then you became
the thigh Master lady. Right, and those are kind of
the two like pinnacle or like big standout moments in
my elder millennial brain.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I didn't know she was a prolific author.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
She wrote twenty five books. She Leftree's Company and didn't
talk to John Ridder for twenty years because she kind
of ruined the show because she wanted to be paid
as much as he was being paid on the show
for like the fourth season or fifth season. And then
she had like a follow up sitcom that like called
She's the Sheriff that just was rated forty fourth of

(05:32):
the fifty worst shows ever made. But then she came
back and she was the mom on Step by Step
or one of those like, you know, their Friday whatever shows.
And she was married to her husband for fifty five
years and he's still alive. He's ten years older and
he's still alive. And they had this like really explosive

(05:53):
sex life like into like their seventies, Like they were
having sex multiple times a day. And I'm like, I
just I found out a lot about Suzanne Summers.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's yeah. I mean she always had a bit of,
you know, sex appeal to her, so I guess it
doesn't quite strike me as surprising, but yeah, it's good
to have like goals to be like you can have
sex multiple times a day in your seventies.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Truly to your body break.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, man, Like were her books like sort of memoirs
or was she also like was she getting into like
kind of interesting niche stuff.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Her first book was a book of poetry, and the
first time she did Late Night was talking about her poetry,
her book of poetry, and in the book of poetry
is about touch and how important it is to touch people.
And she got like Johnny Carson and edwam Manta hug
each other because they never She's like, you guys never
touch each other, and like they touched each other for
like the first time. It was like really funny. And

(06:46):
then she wrote a few memoirs and she wrote like
self help books. She had some weird medical theories that
were like questionable.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Oh yeah, I'm just reading one right now that she
thinks fluoride may have caused Matt shootings, right, or stuff
in households. Okay, you know we can't. We can't bath
fear reviewed. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, but she did get breast cancer twenty two years ago,
and very aggressive breast cancer, and she survived for twenty
two years, so you know it worked. Maybe it works
for her, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Wow, Suzanne, you know what a legend?
What a legend? Were you a family or something?

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
No, go ahead, what were you going to say? Do
you want to know what I was? Yeah, you're gonna
shame yourself in front of everyone. Go ahead, I'm not
shaming myself. I'm telling you a real story is that
I knew that she was a prolific writer because in
school and like elementary school used to do something called
summer's reading, where each summer we would read Suzanne summer
books exclusively. Grid So whatever you were going to say,

(07:42):
now you can say it.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
Wow, are hysterical, and I hope that you will start
start a movement across elementary schools. I think summer reading
needs to be a thing now.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Summer Yeah, absolutely. You have all these kids talking about like,
is there a floor ride in our water? Teacher, we
need to talk about this. I read something very interesting.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
I'm never gonna brush my teeth again.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, like, damn you, Summers. I don't even know what. Yeah,
I didn't know what I was gonna say. Blake, you
completely neuralized me with that, with that amazing top tier joke, Jackie,
what's something you think is overrated?

Speaker 8 (08:22):
Okay, so this is gonna split the room. And I'm
a little nervous to say this out loud, but Killers
of the Flower.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Moon, Okay, go ahead. Yeah. I don't know if you guys.

Speaker 9 (08:30):
Have you guys seen it yet?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
By the way, I have not. No, I've I've been
actually wait, i've. When I saw it, I was like,
let me start seeing some First Nations indigenous people comment
on it, because I can definitely see the Scorsese vibes
and people are like, oh my god, this white guy,
what did he go there, I'm like, who the fuck's
being centered in the one I saw? Whoever the language

(08:51):
consultant was on the red carpet started dropping some knowledge,
but not fully you know, fucking shit up. I was like, okay, yeah, yeah,
this is this is obviously going to be flawed in
some level. Right. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (09:04):
So, just like a bit of background, I actually worked
for the Osage Nation back in my urban planning days.
Like I'm focused more on comedy now, but I worked
as an urban planner. I have a master's in that,
and I was working out there, and so I got
a chance to see this story come to life in
the community and got a chance to like really understand
that this is still very much an open wound, still
very much a very tragic, awful thing that's happened to

(09:27):
the community. And so I knew once they started announcing like, oh,
Martin Scorsese's going to do this and Leonardo Kapper.

Speaker 9 (09:33):
I was like, oh, how are they?

Speaker 8 (09:34):
I was like, let's hope they're handling it with reverence
because this is a big one. And so I was
already just kind of curious how it was all going
to play out. But I will say they did consult
left and right with community, and so that's huge, the
fact that they were working with the tribe and working
with tribal members just to put the story together. But
that said, it is about the reign of terror and

(09:56):
murder of O Sage people and for their head rights.
A head right essentially is basically it's oil money. And
so people were coming in and so I guess there's
a lot of rampant violence essentially, and going in and
watching three and a half hours of that as a
native person not the business for me. I was angry.
I was very frustrated. And I will say, Leonardo DiCaprio's character,

(10:21):
this is actually the hot take you were talking about
on the red carpet with the Osage Consultant. I want
to pull his name up in a second, because we
got to give him credit for what he said. But
it just so much centered Leonardo DiCaprio's character, and we
could see him wrestling with what he was doing, which
was part of a murder plot centered on this one
very specific family, and I'm like, why are we giving
him this multi dimensional approach? Yes, his name's Christopher Cote

(10:45):
and that's the Osage consultant, and I just felt like
it gave him a lot of texture, and I'm like,
what about the Native people in this?

Speaker 7 (10:54):
You know?

Speaker 9 (10:54):
And I didn't.

Speaker 8 (10:55):
I would love to see Molly's character have a little
bit more nuance and and I just I wanted something different.
But again, I will say, I do think it's important
to watch the film because there's a lot of people
who never heard about the story, who know nothing about it.
And this was the first ever FBI investigation, you know
what I mean, So like this exactly. And so I

(11:19):
think that the acting is amazing. It's it's amazing acting.
The set, like the set design, like you're in there,
they got flies going around, and I'm like in the theater,
like you know, like they really put you in it, right,
they put you in it. And so I really think
that's that's great and lovely and wonderful. But yeah, it
was just really hard for me to sit there and

(11:39):
watch three and a half hours of violence against state
of people. And so but here's the ultimate thing. So
we're putting a spotlight on something that happened a long
time ago, lots of people stealing head rights and from
tribal peoples.

Speaker 9 (11:53):
But like, what do we do next? Like what comes
after this?

Speaker 8 (11:56):
And I think that's the question that I have, and
that's not necessarily a question for the tribe or the
question for the film crew, but like Leo made a
fat check on this one. Does he contribute some of
that back to the community so they can get their
head rights and lands back? I mean, like, that's that's
what I'm just like, I want to see what happens next.
And I hate to say it, but I don't know

(12:17):
if this is gonna, you know, be a catalyst for
other bigger questions about lots of people, because this is
this is one thing that we know about. This is
one investigation, but there was all kind of crazy shit
happening out there at that time, with people coming in
and stealing lands and stealing head rights directly from tribal
members and in scrupulous ways and violent ways. So anyway,
that's where I'm like, I think, as a piece, it's

(12:40):
important for people to have watched it, But if your.

Speaker 9 (12:43):
Native, like, take your time. You don't need to see
it right away.

Speaker 8 (12:47):
Schedule a therapy session in advance and after, you know,
like you just got to really be there to support
yourself because it's a heavy one.

Speaker 9 (12:55):
It's so heavy.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, there are those films that are made for audiences
that like, You're like, that's important for them, understand, But
if you come from that community, I mean, it's like
that's why man, like Twelve Years of Slave and certain
movies like that. I'm like, bro, I mean like, if
you need to see it, go ahead. Like I don't need.
I don't need to be convinced or know even more
or a depiction of it. But I get it because everyone,

(13:16):
you know, we grapple with our own personal histories in
our own ways. But yeah, if like Leonardo DiCaprio, I
and out here on some like land back shit, then
what's up? You know what I mean?

Speaker 10 (13:26):
Yeah, that was my main concern when starting to see
the movie being promoted. You know, the audience reaction of
the trailers was immediately, wow, that looks beautiful, Wow, that
looks great. And I saw Martin Scorsese, I didn't know
much about the film, and then I was like, this
seems like this could be very delicate and hard to
pull off for a white man in his eighties.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I believe.

Speaker 10 (13:47):
And I and the entire time as I was hearing
the reaction to the film and how the hype build up,
I was like, why isn't there any criticism?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I was like, is it really that good?

Speaker 10 (13:55):
Did he really handle it that carefully and with that
much depth and standing? And I'm hearing that it's like
kind of but not as much as you'd hope. Is
that I don't want to put words in your mouth, Jackie?

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Is that I mean? I guess, Oh, sorry, go ahead, No,
I'm just saying. Or it feels like it's just inherently
hard to make a movie like this, yeah and pull
it off in the way that you need to, like
it's yeah, right, yeah, but so does that?

Speaker 10 (14:20):
I guess my I guess my misgiving with is like
should was he the best person to do it?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Or?

Speaker 10 (14:27):
I guess because my whole, my whole reaction to it
when I first saw I was like, really, Martin Scorsese
and that that was That was when I guess. I
was like the Irishman fine, but this felt that different
for me, and I was like, I wasn't as excited
as I thought the hype was, and I was questioning,
like why I wasn't getting there right?

Speaker 9 (14:48):
I mean?

Speaker 8 (14:48):
So, so it's actually based on a book called Killers
of the Flower Moon by David Grant, who's a non
native person who writes about the Osage murders and the
birth of the FBI. But so so oh yeah, so
this essentially is a film based off of the book.
So I think in that way a lot of I
didn't read the book, I'll tell you that, But again,
I'm not like jumping into reading about these things myself.

(15:10):
But I have quite a few friends who read it
and they were like, okay, like it was definitely a
little bit more mystery oriented in the book, according to
you know, my friend's assessment of reading it. But yeah,
they were like, yeah, I think it did sort of
a good job of laying out what happened in the book.
But at the same time, this, like I said, this
is a very heavy topic for this very real community

(15:33):
that's living with this right now. And so I think
that's the piece of it where I don't know if
I'm just naive, but I was like, look, this is
this is Hollywood. We can we have some creative license.
Like I thought that the murders might be like not
so in your face, Like I felt like maybe, and
I felt like maybe there's some creative interpretation of what

(15:53):
happened to inject more agency and power into the native perspective,
because that's what I would do if I had.

Speaker 9 (15:58):
An opportunity to do it right, I'd be.

Speaker 8 (16:00):
Like, all right, here's a story, but here's a story
I want to tell about this story, you know, And
so I think, like I guess I was silly to
think maybe it wouldn't be so in your face. And
then the opening scene, like a couple of moments into
the opening scene, we see our first murder, and I'm like, aha,
it was just so real and it was like literally
the people were gasping in the audience.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Okay, good, you know, and so you said that, yeah.

Speaker 8 (16:22):
Yeah, so but I get it, like I think probably,
And I haven't read any of their sort of the film,
the directors, and I haven't read any of what they've
said in response to any of some of the criticism
that's coming out, but I'm sure they're like, we want
it to be real, we want it to be in
your face because we don't want to hide the horrors
of what this was simultaneously.

Speaker 9 (16:41):
If that's your goal, then I'm gonna recommend dat if people.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Do not watch.

Speaker 8 (16:44):
You know, anyone who's been from a community that has
been targeted and oppressed in a very violent, awful way.
That's where I'm like, ooh, I I just just be prepared, basically.
And Lily Gladstone, who's the amazing actor who plays Molly,
she even said because unfortunately, because of SAG and because
of the SAG after strike, wasn't even able to promote

(17:04):
or say much about it. And so finally once the
strike was lifted and all that, Lily came forward and said, like,
please take care of yourselves because this is a heavy one.
And I'm like, yeah, that's kind of the vibe we
should have gone in with. But unfortunately, because of the strike,
no one was able to say much, you know. So
and I watched it like I had an advanced screening

(17:25):
and so like I saw it with a lot of
people like well before it came out, and so you know. Anyway,
So also I think it's a little overrated, and I
do think that people who don't know about the story
should absolutely watch it. And again, amazing acting. And I
do hope that Lily Gladstone gets a knom like she
has to, like she fucking killed it, and she people
might recognize her from Reservation Dogs. She plays the anti

(17:48):
who's in prison, so and I can't remember her name
right now. I'm sorry, but anyway, killer acting, a lot
of amazing acting.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
It was a good nuanced take. I like that. Yeah,
you know, you just split the room because we didn't
see it.

Speaker 8 (18:01):
I want you guys to watch it, and we got
a degree. I want to watch it, please, and let's
debrief this.

Speaker 10 (18:06):
You need to watch it. Absolutely. I was on the fence.
And now the fact that you were like, no, it's
it's essential. You're just gonna need to take care of yourself.
That that yeah, over the edge.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, because it's hard I think in general, Yeah, like
to see just that kind of untethered violence towards marginalized people,
that is that goes unpunished. It's it's hard to watch
that over and over and over.

Speaker 8 (18:30):
And then it's like and then Native women on top
of that, like we already have, like folks are familiar
with mm I W murdered Indigenous women, so this is
nothing new and it's just really hard to stomach. And
you know, and also it's three and a half hours long,
so do not drink anything before you go in.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, or wear a diaper, you know, yeah, you gotta do.

Speaker 9 (18:50):
You know, there's no there's no intermission, it's just NonStop.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, what is something you think is underrated?

Speaker 7 (18:59):
I guess I'm respecting other people's opinions. Like if again,
at the sake of sounding corny, I'm just like, I
think I'm so overwhelmed with the news right now and
like watching people that I've known for a long time
and realizing that their belief system is rooted in straight
up ignorance, you know, like straight up superiority, right, you know,

(19:20):
and people aren't just allowed to be and you know
that can also the thing I hate about like vague
inspirational anything inspirational quotes is that they can be used
by anyone. Sure, that's right, because even if I'm just like, oh,
it's respecting people's opinions, people will be like, well, why
don't you respect us bioness opinions? Like that is just
white supremacy. Can't the fucked here? I do not respect

(19:43):
anybody who is into that ship. So yeah, I guess
just you know, what what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Guys?

Speaker 7 (19:49):
That's where I'm asking, That's what's that's my underwrite or
over what did you ask me?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
What are we doing? I know it feels like the
Twilight Zone. Are you all really advocating for ethnic cleansing?
So casually yes they are, and you're like, god, damn,
I don't know. And that's the thing. I'm really there
are people who like, I'm really curious if this you know,
right now, there's a lot of focus on like the

(20:15):
hostage like when they when will they free the hostages? Sure,
and seeing how that plays out, what happens after that
is achieved, like what is going to be the next
goalpost after that if it happens, Because I just feel
like there's there's clearly, like you see people like there
is that Israel Solidarity rally and that was really just
a rally to maintain the status quo, you know what

(20:37):
I mean, Just like we need to put visual pressure
on this administration to not dare call for a ceasefire.
Because even when Van Jones's whack ass was up there,
like he tried to say something about piece, like people
were starting to chant like no ceasefire and shit, I'm
just like, what is where? I know what y'all not saying,
but I'm curious what the rhetoric will be once we

(20:58):
get past this point in time when and and tens
of thousands of people are left dead. It's just h yeah,
it's mind blowing. Like we've been every week. I feel
like we're always saying some version of like I can
honestly like I don't know where the fuck I'm at, Like.

Speaker 9 (21:10):
What what are we doing, y'all?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
What are we doing? And the people who are like
out there, like you know, blocking the roads to raytheon
and ship shall bless y'all, you know what I mean?
Like that's yes, this.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
Morning, the bay bridge is closed off, and that's should
I not say this morning? Does that matter?

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Doesn't?

Speaker 9 (21:27):
Okay, God bless those people.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, everybody, all.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back
and get into the news.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
We'll be right back, and we're back.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
We are, And since October seventh, we've been we've been
talking about the perplexing way the media has been has
been covering this, the discounting to the lives of Palastian people,
innocent innocent Palestinian people and children, but just generally just
the rules of engagement seem to have changed kind of

(22:09):
in the in the mainstream media. But aiman you know,
you are seeing seeing this happening, and you know, as
a member of the media, like covering it. I'm just
curious to get your perspective on like what what what
has been happening? What are you seeing behind the scenes,
And then like how is that affecting how we're hearing

(22:32):
about or not hearing about what's happening in Israel?

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Man, No, this is a media literacy is everything these days,
because it's equally important to like create good journalism. Is
it just for the audience to know how to read
and interpret like good journalism? So what I mean is
this right? I'm really really upset by the way that

(22:58):
I have like younger so of my like my wife's
siblings are like much younger than she is. So I
have one that just graduated high school, another one who's
in college, and you know, they get all of their
news from social media. They only know what's going on
through TikTok and through Instagram. And I feel like a

(23:20):
lot of people don't really know how to distinguish between
people just posting things opinion news clips of commentators from
the actual journalism, which are like first hand accounts people
on the ground doing journalism.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
And it's like.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Equivocating between being like an activist talking about what's happening
and being a journalist and trying to report the facts
as they are has been driving me nuts. So there's
two things happening when we think about how the media
has been like covering this. On the one hand, I'm
seeing so much misinformation and disinformation spreading like crazy z

(24:00):
on social media. And because everybody's in their own little
social media bubble, what people on either side or you know,
and in this case there's a lot more than just
two sides. But anybody who's consuming media on social media
right now are getting just like this fire hose of information,
and some of it's real and some of it's not,
and some of it's made up, and some of it's

(24:21):
like from ten years ago repackaged to look like it
was just show yesterday, right. And so you have people
who are Zionist and sympathetic with you know, the IDF
and what they're doing right now to secure Israel who
are like sharing these videos of like people in body
bags who are wrapped in the white like we've been
seeing a lot from Gaza who are getting up to

(24:43):
check their phones, you know, because it's like actually a
clip from a protest in Lebanon.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
You know, or something like that. But that clip is being.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Repackaged and shared as you know, evidence of a mess
making up casualties and that the IDEF is pure hearted
and pure intention. But on the other end, there was
a viral clip that went viral maybe two days ago
that supposedly showed like Apache helicopters shooting Israelis who were
fleeing from their lives when the MS came in on

(25:13):
those paragliders at the at the music festival, which is
also like you know, repackaged. I think it was from
like the two or three days afterwards when that clip,
when those clips were shot and published by the IDF
showing their attack helicopters attacking militants who were trying to
either flee or take more ground than in Israel. And
so those are two examples.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
But they were being.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Passage to say that this was Israel shooting, right.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
They were saying.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, the reason why the casualties numbers were so high
is because the Israelis were also shooting everybody. Yeah, but
there's also you know, I should also cavey out there.
There is like a few kind there's a few eyewitness
testimonies of survivors in the Kabbutz who talked about how
they were when they were being taken hostage, that Israeli
soldiers showed up and just started spring bullets and his
own people. This is that when in his testimony you

(26:02):
can read it about it on Harriet's But at the
same time, the role that the journalist has to play
is to find primary sources and report it out. And
the way that so many people at prominent outlets that
have a humongous responsibility and outside the responsibility to tell
the truth in this particular war where information like this

(26:25):
is kind of just going crazy. This flying over our
heads has been catastrophic. A good example is right after
the beginning of the war is the Palestinian ambassador for
the PA for London, was for England, was being interviewed
by the BBC and he just talked about how he

(26:45):
lost like seven family members in an Israeli bombardment. And
this guy, you can tell, was being super stoic. He
looked like he was just crying because he just found
this out and he's on the news ready to talk
about what's happening, and the presenter asked him the condemned
ha mess like immediately after he shared that he lost
seven family members. Yea, And this callousness goes beyond what

(27:08):
a reporter ought to do. You know, we should be
asking people about what they see, what they feel, trying
to get primary sources to tell us something about what's
happening in front of them. Asking somebody who has a
wealth of knowledge about being an ambassador for the PA,
not ha Mess, which is PA's there. They run the
West Bank, Hames Rise, the Gosam. This person is an

(27:30):
ambassador for them, so he he's also lost family to
the bombardoment. He's in a unique position to talk about
what's happening from his perspective.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
But this person.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Who was interviewing him, this journalist, was asking about something
that he's disconnected to a and was trying to make
a moral argument with this person, And that to me
felt like, I don't know, I was disappointed. I was like,
you know how to do this, Like this is your job.
You don't have any problems doing this with any other subject.
Why is it when we come to talking about Palestine

(28:02):
and talking to Palestinians, we skip the part where we're
supposed to interrogate how they're experiencing the world, and we
skip to, well, how do we get that, how do
we hold them accountable for what the other side is saying?
You don't see that when it comes to those same
people interviewing Israeli ambassadors or Israeli prime ministers. When they

(28:24):
talk to their own people, they say, we are going
to flatten Palestine, we are going to eradicate Hames and
all of its supporters, and they use a lot of
this genocidal rhetoric, and they talk about having a second Nekba.
Ministers in the current Israeli government talk this way, but
when they come on to do these interviews, they ask them, well,
where were you on October seventh? How are you affected
by this tragedy? Which are you know? I'm not here

(28:47):
to browbeat these people for doing their job, because those
are good questions to ask people who are going through
this and that suffering is real. But where is that
when we're talking to Palestinian sources? Just today, the New
York Times put out and their incredible podcast, The Daily
not as good as the dailies like Gus, but.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
You know, if you have extra time, you can probat artists.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
And a lot of people might think they can. First,
we can't.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
First, thanks, I was gonna say I was gonna make
that point, but you know they were. They did this
whole episode where they talked to God, to gods and doctors,
doctors who are in these hospitals who are operating, and
the host asked one of them, well, the IDF is
saying that Hamas is doing X y Z in.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
These hospitals, like what are you seeing?

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Which is like a good question to ask, But the
people who are just being constantly asked to take these
political arguments that one side is making in it and
trying to rationalize them and trying to breathe air into
them and give oxygen to them. The guy had a meltdown. Man,
he freaked out. He was like, Yo, we are having
to choose which kids die and which kids live. We

(29:53):
don't have enough resources to give kids who need amputations
any kind of anesthesia, so they are awake and while
we're hacking off their body parts, like you know, the trauma.
And this guy's voice when he was like, why the
hell are you asking me about Hamez right now? Was
I think was incredibly emblematic of the what we've done

(30:13):
to these people, you know, by flattening them as being
like this response to Hamez. These people are people, man,
So I would love to see the media make a
better effort at exercising just basic journalism by asking people
about what they see and where they're at, versus trying
to turn everything into a back and forth.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Or its proa or they're propagandizing them in real time.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
You want to talk about like Hames, there's HAMESZ spokespeople
who are giving interviews like you can do that piece
if you want to talk to them and be like, well,
we heard about you know, the fuel being withheld from
x y Z. What do you have to say to that?

Speaker 7 (30:54):
You know?

Speaker 3 (30:55):
But these people who are on the ground, these doctors
who have to sleep in operating rooms, who can't leave
because the flood of people who need help is is
just constant. The people who have brought their own families
to hide in these hospitals too. I mean, there are
thousands of people in these hospitals and you can just
imagine the chaos. By opening this window and talking to
these people and just asking them about like Hames just

(31:17):
it just drove me nuts, Like you would never see that.
You would never see somebody talking to somebody hiding in
their escape room in the Kibbutz, you know when that
was happening, and if if the media were able to
get them on the phone, you would never imagine them
being like, well, what do you think about Natan? Yeah,
who's saying the settlements are about.

Speaker 11 (31:31):
You know, the risk he's putting y'all at risk? Right,
Because I feel like you're saying a lot of them
would say, yeah, hell yes he is. Like you know
a lot of people feel like Netya, who's policies are
not popular, Like he's fucking incredibly far right and fascist,
and like if they were willing to ask those fucking questions,
I feel like that would also be well.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
It just kind of leaves it leaves out this not
even elephant in the room. The biggest dimension of this
is oppression. Yeah, And to just skirt by them, be like,
well you condemn Hamas, right, Like, let's just keep let's
let's let's keep reinforcing. Because I see this so much
in the rhetoric of people who are defending what the
IDF is doing in the Israeli government, of keeping the

(32:16):
focus on Hamas, about being like free these people from
Hamas and like that's what it is, and rather than
really like widening out the focus here to really understand
all the dimensions of it. Because to your point, like
when someone is bringing up these facts that would that is,
you know, meant to tell a very human story about
Palestinian people. To to then bring it to what about

(32:39):
hamas completely just takes the wind out of that take
or or what the point someone's trying to make to
just make it purely about right? Right? There is that,
but what about this other thing that we can agree
is bad? Let's talk about the bad thing, because I
don't want to keep talking about how innocent people are
being brutalized through no fault of their own. And I
think that's that's also been really hard to watch too totally.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
And what drives me nuts is that these are like allegations,
right there's been no proof put forth by the Israeli government,
but there's just not enough scrutiny to sort of just say, okay, well,
the Israeli government is saying this is that true? Like
we we almost I've seen too many media outlets and
journalists skipping that step and going straight to okay, well,

(33:21):
we need to now ask the other side with this
allegation is being made of to defend themselves for it.
When this out there, I mean, we need to see
proof man before before anything else. This this idea about copaganda, right,
this idea that it came about after the popular Black
Lives Matter uprisings across the country, after George Floyd was killed,
where it was obvious that the police when they issue statements,

(33:44):
I think a lot of people have suddenly realized that
they have they are incentivized to lie, and that you
really that first like that first account that they gave was, well,
he was on drugs and he was attacking us, and
you know, he was fighting back and all this stuff
that after you see the clips, you know it's not
even close to being true, and you know, this is
I feel like there's overlaps here. And I think part

(34:06):
of the lesson that we learned there in journalism and
in people who are consuming media is that, you know,
the police are incentivized to protect their own skin. I
wish I could see more of that when we're looking
about Palestine. This idea that Israel has a long track record,
not as Israel government. I gotta be specific, because israelis
are as diverse as anyplace else in the world. They

(34:29):
Israeli government has a long track record of lying. We
saw when they killed the journalist true Uckiley. We saw
it when they killed those four boys, those four preteens
on the beach with warship. We saw that with There's
like so many examples man of like them denying that
they did something when they're doing it. So I would

(34:50):
love to see the same amount of scrutiny being like, well,
you're making these claims, we need to see proof or
we need to hold out to see like what everybody
else is saying. Right, Uh, yeah, it feels like we're
so eager to take this narrative and put it out.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Is there like a dimension because like we talk about
this all the time, like how especially in American media,
like there's people can't like grapple with white supremacy or
systemic oppression, and journalists can't. And a lot of people
talk about how like what it what it takes to
actually get to a certain newsroom and the and like
what the culture is of a specific outlet that sort

(35:26):
of self filters in a way that you're only going
to get people who are kind of know how to
like read from the same book when that time comes.
Are you like do you see it as a dimension
of just sort of like these ingrained sort of like
just the lack of American curiosity about like honestly reporting
about imperialism or is it like other you know, because

(35:47):
we see also like these like McCarthy I type activities
that are happening where people if they deign to speak
out about what's happening that they are people are coming
for their careers and things like that. How do you
see like what like is it bad habits, is it
external factors? Is it a combination of things? Like how
do you kind of see like the environment that people
are operating in when they just take the word of

(36:09):
an IDF command or be like Okay that's what they said.
Okay print that without evidence and we'll just run to that.

Speaker 7 (36:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
I mean it breaks my fucking heart.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Man.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
I've been trying to to like not cry all day
and I'm like fighting it back now because you're what
you said about the lack of curiosity. Really it like
hit something right on my heart, dude, because that's what
it is. It is, man, It's it's this basic, this
basic reflex that's maybe inside me because I have Arab

(36:42):
heritage or I don't know what it is, man, but like,
I cannot, for the life of me understand why there's
not this curiosity where people are just satisfied with it,
being like it's a religious war and so they're responding
to their religion, and so it makes sense that they
want to eliminate just Jewish people, and they use that

(37:07):
as a way to just justify making claims like what's
made what's on the on the Congress floor recently, that
there is no such thing as a Palestinian.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Civilian, right, right.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
It's like when the Israeli government says that we're going
to punish the people who are giving out candy or
giving candy or like the people they elected hamas, and
it's like, where's the curiosity to say, Okay, what are
the polls saying? Right, Because if you look for the
polls like you would for any other community when you're
trying to understand like what this community is experiencing or

(37:42):
how they feel, there are polls.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Man.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
People go and they do studies about this stuff. Godz
has been under seage for like the greater part of
the last twenty years. This has been like a you know,
the curiosity of academics you know people who are going
in and finding out, oh, actually more than seventy percent
of the people in Gaza when they were asked if
peace was option where they want to live in peace

(38:07):
with Israel's their neighbors and seventy five I don't know
the exact number, more than seventy percent. We're like, yeah,
we want peace, but you almost don't. You don't even
see that number quoted anywhere because there's no curiosity, there's
no thought experiment of like, well are these people like us?
Where there were responding to many different things, there's this

(38:28):
idea that is really prevalent. I think among a lot
of writers and journalists that the issue is that there's
an ideological conflict, right, that if only each side could
just get along, then this problem would get solved. Right,
that there are actual partners for peace on either end
of this that are being usurped by these radical ideological groups.

(38:54):
This is not the case here, man, This is not
the case. What you said about the the imbalance of
power here is everything. Because I think this really cuts
through to how so many people who are sympathetic with
the Palestinian cause actually feel about this, and it drives
me nuts seeing some of these protests being described, the

(39:16):
protests that we've seen across the country, across the world.
I think London just had the biggest protest ever in
its history and it was from Palestine. This being condensed
as it being like a pro Hamas rally or an
anti Israel rally. You know, the idea that these people
could just be flattened to like this, responding to this
one part of this conflict drives me nuts. Yeah, you know,

(39:37):
where's the curiosity? You mean, said the reporter. Talk to
these people, find out what they're saying. They're filming themselves.
They're telling you what they're saying, the same thing with
from the River to the sea, Palestine will be free.
The congresswoman Rashida Tlay just got censured by her own
colleagues on the Democratic side, who helped the obviously bad

(39:58):
faith right wing use that rallying cry to punish her. Now,
none of the reporting I've seen makes context of what
she was actually saying in the speech where she said
that she wants peace for everybody. They just took the
right wings word for it that she was calling for genocide.
She was calling for genocide, man.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Come on, yeah, exactly saying freedom. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
And also the speech where did she give it? Where's
the curiosity?

Speaker 4 (40:22):
Right?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Where did she give the speech? She gave it a
Jewish voices for peace rally?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Right?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Come on, Like this is basic journalism one oh one
that you will see in every context except for this,
And it makes me want to tear my eye out.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Man, it's so nut. I mean, this is what's so
difficult to watch too after going through the summer of
twenty twenty and understanding how oppression affects people, and like
they were doing this, Like this is why, like I'm
so cynical about how our media operates, because it's operating
not even to inform people. It's there to just preserve

(40:59):
these system of oppression under like, because these questions that
are asked like similar to like in twenty twenty, you
bear like every now and then you'd hear some reporter
as somebody who's at a protest, why they're there, Like
everything was always like and we're here with the police. Start,
we're here with you know, Sheriff Villanueva who's telling us
about what is happening in Los Angeles and getting this

(41:21):
perspective that is meant to just like to your point,
flatten this movement into like a very easy to digest,
like these people just like want chaos or something, and
it's not that great of a thing. Slowly, I feel
like those things changed because I think there are enough
people in America to kind of begin to grapple with
that somewhat. But this also just feels so disgusting and
uncomfortable to watch because it really pulls out just the

(41:44):
inherent Islamophobia that exists in this country too, because I
feel like it's so eat a lot of people just
want to reflexively just cast people who, like in Palestine
is being like, yeah, well, you know, like they voted
for Hamas, so that means they're bad and it's that simple.
And that really is so difficult to have to sit

(42:05):
through because to your point, this is all happening while
innocent people are suffering under that, and there's many people
want to say, well, they're voting for they voted for Hamas, well,
then what's happening in the West Bank because Hamas is
not in power in the West Bank, the PA is
you know, and like, and so where is that argument now,
because we're only seeing increased violence there as well. But

(42:25):
you know it the again, it's always this lack of
humanity that's extended to these people in such a like
casual way is really unnerving because, you know, it makes
me feel like I'm living in a place where more
and more people are like, yeah, some people are just
not human to me, and that is really really frightening

(42:49):
and horrific and such a difficult thing to grapple with.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll
be right.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Back, and we're back SpaceX. Speaking of Elon, they just
announced that they may try launching their Starship rocket for
a second time this Friday, if they get approval from

(43:17):
the FAA. And this comes fresh off the heels of
an extremely damning investigation from Reuters. They uncovered quote over
six hundred previously undisclosed workplace injuries at SpaceX facilities since
twenty fourteen. This is including everything from like cuts, lacerations,

(43:38):
fucking head injuries to amputations. People have been in comas
and tragically even death. One employee apparently died recently after
sitting on some cargo that was being hauled on a
trailer with no straps and the guy said, oh, no straps,
I'll just lay on top of this insulation, so we

(43:58):
can get it from point A to point be and
hopefully my body weight will keep this from blowing off
the fucking truck. Tragically, a gust of wind blew him
and the insulation off and he was unfortunately, he was killed,
like he was pronounced dead at the scene OSHA. Basically,
like I think anyone who just heard what happened found

(44:19):
that SpaceX had quote failed to protect the employee from
what they say was a clear hazard. But it turns
out like that's just kind of just a sample of
how bad some people are getting injured there. One man
was smacked in the head with it while they were
testing an engine in twenty twenty two. Apparently like they
were doing a pressure test of a Raptor V two

(44:40):
rocket engine that's a tongue twister and like a piece
of the rocket blew off and fractured the skull of
employee Francisco Cabata, and it put him in a coma,
and reportedly SpaceX has quote ignored the family's attempts to
find out why he wasn't protected, And just I know,
I said six hundred injuries twenty fourteen, But it's really

(45:01):
important to note that that is only a portion of
the total case count because while OSHA requires companies to
report injuries annually since twenty sixteen, SpaceX facilities have quote
failed to submit reports for most of those years. So
this is like when things were just bad enough, and
like the punishments are as we say all the time,

(45:23):
fines don't deter billionaires, especially when the fines are a
few hundred dollars to seven thousand dollars, like the fine
for the guy who lost his life. They only had
to pay a seven thousand dollars fine for that, And
it's not like, you know, I know, people were like, well,
maybe working on rocket ships is like a fucking hazardous gig.

(45:46):
Not like when you compare this to the space industry average,
they are blowing records out. So in twenty twenty two,
the injury rate at their Brownsville facility in Texas was
four point eight injuries per or illnesses per one hundred workers.
That's six times higher than the space average industry of
zero point eight per one hundred workers. And the reason

(46:08):
for this, this is where Elon comes in. Is fucking
Elon and his hatred of like regulations, Like he believes
that employees should quote be responsible for protecting themselves. How
I'm sorry, how does that work? And also like when
he would go to do like safety visits to sites,
he would tell people please take he didn't want people

(46:31):
wearing safety yellow vests because he dislikes bright colors, and
would also be like walking around sometimes with one of
his dumbass flame throwers during a fucking safety visit, Like
what are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (46:45):
This is I think this guy's a genius by the way, I.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Know, I know. It just shows you what like hair
plugs and a few billion dollars can do, and suddenly
you're the new fucking what Tony Stark or whatever the
fuck it is.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
He also doesn't like airbags on cars because they're two round.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
He said to felt to wrinkle your shirt. Actually, so
I don't like, yeah, do away with them.

Speaker 6 (47:07):
It's an attic thing.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
What were you going to say, Sarah.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Oh, no, I was. I was going to say, I
have a my chapter of my book. This is a
joke I had about how like when we were at Google,
like we had like an ergonomic chair to protect your
body while your soul was dying inside.

Speaker 9 (47:22):
Because like.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
They were so obsessed with ergonomics. They were so obsessed
with carpal tunnel syndrome. They didn't want to stay at
carpal tunnel. They didn't want our posture to be bad.
They had standing nest so we could stand and sit.
You know. It was so they were so obsessed with
us protecting our bodies and so like, this is wild
to me, the trajectory of tech in general. I feel like, yeah,

(47:46):
this is bad for SpaceX and Elon, but I think
a lot of industries they really started to care less
about worker health in general.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Oh I'm sure. I mean I think yeah, because like
Google and places like that. It seems a little insidious too,
because like, no, we need you healthy so we can
get every motherfucking ounce of life out.

Speaker 7 (48:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
All the perks that were there were so that you
would stay, so that you wouldn't leave the building.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
It's like when people talk about how they make like
wogu beef, and they're like, they fatten them up, they
give them massages, they spit beer into their coats and
rub it in, so they get to the point that
their flesh is worth more than any other meeting out there,
right right, right right, It's for the slaughter's for the slaughter.
But so apparently he, like Elon Musk, defends this attitude

(48:31):
because like in tech, it's always like move fast and
break skulls or I think that's break everything. Oh break everything, yeah,
break every bone in your body, he says, because SpaceX
is quote on an urgent quest to create a refuge
in space from a dying.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
Please can you go do it? You go first, like
put him there first, and him and Grimes can populate Mars.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, exactly right. And those other like weird billionaires who
are like just like they're like I need my sperm everywhere.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
All the billionaires yeah, or the or the guys is
like using his kid's blood to keep him young. Like
he go there as well.

Speaker 6 (49:05):
Yeah it's fun. There's no amount of therapy.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah, we actually need refuge from billionaires. So yeah, please
go there because I actually I believe with all the private
flights and stuff like the top one percent are going on,
I think that would help tremendously, along with other things.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
But anyway, I guess I guess they don't have a union.
I guess SpaceX and any of Elon's companies none of
those workers are unionized.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, I wonder is there.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
I bet not, because I mean I don't think you would.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Ever allow that or yeah right, yeah, I feel like
anyone would. Yeah, they're like, I'm so proud to be
hostile towards unions. Is usually like the take of these
kinds of guys.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
Sarah, I thought you were asking if there was a
billionaires union where unionized this billionaires so we can have
our rights finally acknowledged by society.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
Dude, I think that's literally in our future that's going
to happen.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
It is that feels like it. Oh yeah, it says
employees were fired for speaking up about Elon Musk or
talking about Okay, so it sounds like yeah, part for
the course, perfect worse, perfect corse. But yeah, like also
because of this like rush to get us to fucking
Mars also meant to like employees have been taking like

(50:18):
adderall without prescriptions to like be able to fucking pull
like wild hours and then falling asleep in bathrooms. Also
to speed up the work, the company has literally been
getting workers to weld rocket parts in a tent on
the beach and then like when the beach got too hot,
they just hooked the people up to an IV and
then sent them right back out there. And also in

(50:38):
this like tent welding shop, apparently when the wind was
blowing they had to they had to shut the flaps
and basically enclose everyone in a tent with like carcinogenic dust.
So it's all very it's all very it's all very elon.
So we'll see what happens. This is me Rile.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
This is a billion dollar company and they're treating employees
like this. This is I mean, I totally expected in
the Congo where they're trying to get diamonds out and
stuff like that or whatever.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
But it's that model. It's it's yeah, there, you are
merely automatons meant to help us generate capital.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
What is the end game? Okay? What's the endgame? Okay,
so we have all of these people addicted to social
media that's not working and they're all upset and their
jobs are killing them. Like, there's not gonna be anybody
left to buy the products that you're making. Okay, there's
gonna be no one around. Everybody's gonna be gone. We're
all gonna be dead. So what's the end game. You're
gonna You're gonna build robots. To buy your products, Like

(51:36):
you're gonna build robots to make your products, and then
you're gonna build robots to buy your products, and it's
just gonna be all robots. I guess, I guess.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Or it's the other one where they're like, well, you know,
AI is going to be doing a lot of the work.
So that's why, like, you know, you hear the very
like cynical version of like, we need a UBI, we
need a universal basic income. And that's not because they
believe that people like we should just move to that
and give like we have a basic income to live
off of, but because like but then when the fucking
robots or ais take their livelihood, they'll still have a

(52:05):
little scratch to give back to us in the form
of consumerism or something like that. It's all it all
works out in a very dark way. Or they're just
they build their fucking bunkers in New Zealand and or
like I'll hide. We had a guest on a couple
of weeks ago, Douglas Rushkov, who like would talk to
the billionaires who like build bunkers, and the way they
talk is all like how do I get them to

(52:27):
not want like rebel against me, like and take all
the food. Can I like put like a like a
detonator on their throat or something to keep them in control?
And they're like, you actually haven't thought any of this through,
Like your're.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
So they're scared that their workers are going to rebel,
so they're figuring out a way to have their workers.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
So in the context of the apocalypse bunker like where
they said they've like some billionaires are like, I have
a team of like ex paramilitary Like yeah, yeah, the
people who protect the people who will inevitably protect and
labor for the billllionaires in an apocalypse bunker. They're like,
do I like make the code to the food something
only I know? So that way, if I die, they

(53:08):
also don't get anything. And it's also like it's I mean,
and to your point, Sarah, it's that way of thinking
that somehow helps you aggregate the kind of wealth to
be a billionaire and also makes you a not human.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
So oh my god.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
And that's why like Zuckerberg and all these guys are
trying to build this like city, this city that no
one else can get into, this like commune because they
know this shit is going to hit.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
The fan, yeah, or that or precisely that, like they know,
at the end of the day, it's like this relentless
pursuit of wealth and making the lineup go infinitely is
only destroying the earth, destroying the fabric of our society.
And they're like, I don't know, we're responsible before, but
at the same time, let's build a thing to insulate
ourselves from it.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
The good thing is like.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
Every man for himself kind of yeah, mentality.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I mean, the good news is those plans will not work.
Like it feels like no matter what you do, because
even the people who are like I don't this and
I'll build that, bah blah blah blah, it's like, okay, well,
what if a part goes out for your your your HVAC,
you know what I mean, you have no ac. Do
you have someone on staff that can like manufacture the
part that you would need to fix it or do
you have someone with that capability? And like, I don't know.

(54:14):
And then and then what if that has a knock
on effect on your green your growhouse that you say
will provide your food, because if that isn't temperature controlled,
then what do you do? And then if you don't
have the food growing or the water purification system not
just for you but for your plants.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
And then they start being like, well, this is very helpful.
I do plan to be a billionaire, so it's good
to know all this stuff going in.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, yeah, just that's why I just, yeah, just be
one of those people that no one wants to, like, well,
the first person they think of when the shit goes down,
like you know who, you know who I'm going to
pay a visit to, right, Yeah, I can't just be
on the be on the good side, please, I'll be on.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
The good side. Also, maybe just like be a billionaire,
but like, don't tell anybody that you're a billionaire. That's
probably a better way to do it.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
Yeah, secret billionaire.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
I like the idea that in this billionaire city there's
still like a version of a poor billionaire where oh,
you only have one point five billion. It's like you
hear Carl has A has an above ground bunker.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yeah it's in Michigan. Oh my god, you didn't get
to New Zealand. Oh, poor guy, poor guy, because that's
the other spot everyone's looking at is Michigan because all
that's fresh water. But anyway, let's move on to something
just to wrap this show up, something a little more pleasant.
Andre three stacks, Andre three thousand. He is releasing his

(55:30):
fucking debut solo album. True this like just just me
doing my thing. This is Andre Benjamin here I am.
The album is called New Blue Sun. And before, like myself,
I was like, oh my god, andres.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
Yes, yes years right.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, so this man, this is again. This album is
quote entirely made up of instrumental woodwind music. It's just
him on the flute, which I'm like, that makes sense.
I've seen him like he's always like I've seen I
feel like most of the videos I've seen him recently
are playing some kind of flute, which so people wouldn't

(56:08):
be totally shocked. I apparently I didn't realize that the
track she Lives in My Lap, he played flute on that,
Like he's playing woodwinds on that. Yeah, And also where's
the catch with James Blake? He played woodwind So I
was like, oh, I had no idea. I was not
familiar with your game, sir. And there was like there
a couple of viral clips of him playing like a

(56:29):
flute in the airport. But it's funny because like I
think he knows how much his fans like love him
as a rapper vocalist, and he's like a little apologetic.
Like the first track of the album is this is
the literal track of the first album. Quote this track one,
I swear I really wanted to make a rap album,
but this is literally the way. This is literally the

(56:50):
way the wind blew me this time is the first track.
And he said, even on the cover, there's even a
label that says warning no bars, just to let you
know there will be no You will not hear his voice.
You will just hear maybe you'll hear a breath here
and there as he's playing. But I'll take you. I
love it.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
I mean, yeah, I think it's sweet. I think it's yeah,
I think it's cute, Like let him let him do
his thing. He's not bait and switching anyone, you know. Yeah,
let him play with his wood ones.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah, I think. And also at this point too, like
it's been so long where I've like I stopped holding
my Like I caught them when they had like a
reunion tour like in twenty fourteen. I was like I
was there for that. I saw that I got my fill.
But also it's nice because I feel like so much
of that work is like it's perfect. I'm like, yep, don't,
I don't. We don't need to augment this. If you
want to, sure, go ahead, Like you know, like I

(57:42):
like Big Boys other projects that he does, but with
like Andre, Yeah, he's always been so vibe that I'm like,
I can't get mad. And I feel like most people
feel the same way. Like I know some people, but whatever,
I just as.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
An artist, it's so brave to do something so completely different.
I mean, it really is.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
It's very inspiring, and it's also it's also just like
the like that just a little bit of consideration for
his fans who know him as a rapper vocalist. Or
he's like, yeah, like the first track, I swear I
really wanted to make a rap album, but this is
literally the way with the wind bloop me this time.
I'm like, that's fine, and he's really funny.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean I am I don't know
what the music. I personally have never listened to an
album of just woodwind instruments, yeah, in my life. But
maybe this will start a whole new trend. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah, I feel like people I want.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
To see him and Lizzo do like a little thing.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Oh yeah, a lot of flutes, a lot of flutes
going down. Yeah, I think we'll see. I mean, I've
seen people say they've heard bits and pieces of it.
I'm not sure, like if maybe they're at a listening
party or something like that, but it's I don't know.
I mean from the people who claim to have hear it,
they're like, it's it's pretty cool. It's like trippy, and
I'm like.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
Oh, I'm gonna get high and listen to it.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah. I couldn't imagine Andre like you come out, he's
just playing like hot cross Buns, no backing, drafty motherfucker
playing a recorder. Then I might feel like, Bro, you
had a lot of time to fucking get that recorder, right.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
But I mean, I think this will start a resurgence
every recorder interest.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Yeah, recorder, Well, wasn't it Like was recorder not like
like a part of the core for a certain point.
Did you play recorder? Blake?

Speaker 6 (59:25):
Did you that was my primary instrument?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah? No, I'm serious, I'm serious. Did you have no
play recorder? No bit?

Speaker 6 (59:31):
Yes, I did, Like that was because we had music class,
and I think that was the only instrument because we
had to buy it ourselves, I remember, but it was,
in terms of instruments, the most you know, affordable instrument
that you could possibly get. So yeah, I know we
played like b A G b ag like that was
uh hot cross.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Buns of course, everybody, you fucking that's the first track
you learn on this cross Buns. That's right, you know
what I mean. But apparently I didn't realize that. Like
it's like the reason too, is that it helps like
with creative thinking skills like finger dexterity.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Yeah, I was like, what the fuck? I was like,
my teacher is just a weirdo making us play this
shitty plastic flute. But no, there's it turns out there
was a reason. There's more than just Mary had a
little man. I'll have to look into it, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
That's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please
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