Weekly Zeitgeist 59 (Best of 1/22/19-1/25/19)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Weekly Zitgeist. Uh These are some of our favorite segments
from this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment
last stravaganza. Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is

(00:22):
the Weekly Zeitgeist. What is something you think is underrated? Marriage? Okay? Yeah,
like the convention of Maryland? Like what, yeah, I mean,
you know, my wife is my best friend. I know this.
You can sound totally traditional and maybe lame, but when
I became when I got married, there's sort of all
those conversations at the beginning of your life's over from

(00:44):
all your friends. You know, you're never going to be
the same, and it's kind of been the opposite. It's
not kind of, it's totally been the opposite. So I
thought long and heard about this question, and I was like,
you know, as traditional as that sounds, that's that's about
as honest as I can get. Yeah, that's good man.
I don't want to get married because for the same
reasons your life is over, you're never gonna be the same.

(01:04):
Miles takes all life advice from his drinking buddies. Yeah,
and by that, it's my one friend who thought he
was going to go to Michigan for football and got hurt,
and then that sort of informed his life. You ever since,
you know, I could have been in the league. Right anyway, dude,
don't get married, bro, he's single, right, yeah, And he's
keep asking if he can crash in my car. He's like,

(01:26):
can I just sleep in there? Man? And I'm like,
your parents can take you, yeah, but my mom step moms.
It's like, Okay, I gotta go. But that's good to
know because I feel like a lot of people. I mean,
as I get older and and my relationship goes longer,
and I'm inevitably like, yeah, I probably should get married,
but I have, like, you know, just pass bullshit in

(01:47):
my life. I'm like, I don't know, but if I'm
if I'm gonna get married, right, But I like the
idea of being with somebody, you know, for your life,
for your life, your partner. I guess it's it's like
the idea of marriage. I think maybe you know what
is I think it's the cost of a wedding that's
put in Oh, you can just do it. One of
the best weddings I've ever been to was just, uh
my buddy went to City Hall in New York. We

(02:08):
just all showed up there and then went and partied
the whole night and it was a lot of fun.
And then y'all picked up the bill. Yeah. Perfect. How's
your wedding? Um? It was great. It was it rained,
but it didn't matter. It was awesome. We get married
at my wife's aunt's house in her backyard. She was
pretty low key. Now was that ironic? Though? Based based

(02:29):
on the song ran on Your Wedding Days? Ironic? I
don't see the Queen Alanas Moore said as much as
I should. She really is great though, Let's face yeah,
I might. I refer you to the Book of Jagged
Little Pill. Um. How long you've been married? Seven years? Okay? Yeah,

(02:51):
so you're you're at the point where you can confidently
say marriage, marriage is great? Yes? Uh? The like well
somebody doing like yeah, three months. We just got back
from bally Man. Still ride that high, good feeling. Yeah,
I just feel really good about this. Yeah. Our surf

(03:13):
teacher was so cool. My wife was really into him.
He was a really cool guy, Like he was taking
her out for like other surf fift So I just
relaxed by myself. Yeah, man, anyway, alright, guys, let's talk
about personality tests. Have you, guys ever taken personality tests
before I made you take this one? Les? Yeah, the

(03:34):
Myers Briggs one, like you know BuzzFeed things like which
power ranger are you? Ye? Blue ranger? Nice? Nice man?
Uh No, personality. I don't know. When I was like
six or seventh grade, the guidance counselor gave you a
test to figure out what we're going to do for
a living. And I don't know what my result was,
but basically the response was you're never going to have

(03:58):
a boss, which kind of messed with me as a kid. Um,
I don't know what that says about my personality. I'm
a prick. You're like, you're fired from every job you
had early on. You're like, you're not my fucking boss, Rick,
like the manager Rick. Everybody has to have a boss
named Rick a too hands What has that held up?

(04:22):
Have you never had a boss? Um? No, I've had
a boss. How that relationship go? Um? He's in the
back here at okay, I hired him for the podcast.
There you go, nice, there you go. I'm joking. So
this is making a big claim here. They say most
personality quizzes or personality tests are bunk. Try one that's

(04:45):
actually scientific. And the things that are kind of judged
your personality based on our openness to experience, agreeableness, conscientiousness,
which is does not mean what I thought it meant
in this context negative emotionality and extra version, which yeah,
Myers Briggs I think has the extra version thing, and

(05:06):
it has like a different but they're trying to more
put you in a bucket. But I think that's what
this is different, like the Myers Briggs like you are
this kind of person, you are the explorer or you
are the whatever, And this is more like here's how
you rate in these five dimensions. And I think maybe
that's probably an easier way because they acknowledge, like you
can't just up, you can't just put people in buckets

(05:28):
so cleanly. Yeah, you just have a score of one
to a hundred on all of these different continuums, And
that seems like a more accurate way than being like
you are a baller, you are a worker bee like, well,
I don't know you have boss mentality. Wait, yours didn't
say that you're a baller because my mindset mind said

(05:48):
terminal ballerness so I'm terminally balling, balding. That's so weird
that they called that has nothing to do damn it.
I knew. One was like, do you wear hats all
the time? I was like, yes, yeah. And Myers Briggs,
which I think a lot of people have taken, has

(06:09):
been widely debunked. Uh, And so I think this five
thirty eight survey is acknowledging that, and acknowledging that a
lot of other personality tests have been debunked, and that
this one is not as flashy. But it also does
seem to have like some sort of indicator of the
type of person that you are. But yeah, I mean
we scored pretty similarly in a lot of categories. Categories.

(06:32):
I scored the lowest in negative emotionality twenty one out
of a hundred. Yeah, well, I think I was in
the twenties as well. So what does that mean negative emotionality?
So they say low negative emotionality. People who score on
the higher end of this trait are plagued by anxiety, sadness, anger,
and conflict. But not you. You whistle while you work,
even if the rest of the office is glaring into
their fourth cup of coffee. There's such a thing as

(06:54):
to be too cheerful because sadness and anxiety or things
that help us learn from our mistakes. But low negative
emotionality is generally associ it with good things. So yeah,
job satisfaction, things like that. There's another side of that coin,
like Abe Lincoln was a terminally depressed person. He had
chronic depression, and I read a book that speculated that

(07:14):
his depression actually made him a better leader, because they've
found that people who are depressed are actually in closer
touch with reality, and so they're more willing to acknowledge
like negative things around them, whereas people like me, who
scored twenty five out of a hundred on negative emotionality,
we have to block out things and so we're just

(07:36):
not So basically, it's good to have somebody who is
high on negative emotionality to keep you aware of the
negative things going on. You know. Interesting, I mean, I
don't think, but even as you say that, I do
the opposite, Like I don't try and block things out.
Like if something bad is occurring, it's like a binary
choice to either accept the reality of the situation or

(07:57):
resisted by being denial about it. So I think by
accepting whatever reality is helps me to not be so jarred.
But I'm like, okay, well that's happening. So that's what
it is. Now let me just maneuver. Now you can't
resist it. It's gonna find its way into exactly somehow,
and you're gonna have to deal with this. Yeah. You
you burn more energy trying to be like me, like okay,

(08:18):
what's up. Then let's figure this out. Yeah. Something I
saw that like where this test immediately jumped into my
mind while going through last week's headlines was openness to experience,
which Miles and I scored, like really scored a high.
Miles scored a hundred. I got a ninety six, which
is esthetic sensitivity, intellectual curiosity, creative imagination. And they say that, uh,

(08:44):
you know, you're basically motivated by new experiences, and like
a danger is that you might like abuse drugs or use,
like end up with a substance use disorder. So peep. Well,
in trying to debunk this report about Trump telling Cohen

(09:06):
to lie about Russia, one of the reporters had been
shamed in the past because he like lied or like
did some shady things journalistically. The BuzzFeed News reporter and
he was explaining that like he used to be a
drug user and has since gotten sober, but he said,
like he basically described it as being part of the

(09:28):
same thing. He was like, I love the score. So
maybe there's this druggish thing in me that still exists.
Maybe that was always part of my personality. I love
the score. I love the score, particularly when it's from
the government. I just got you to give me your
own documents, you know, which is like he crawled back
to respectability using like foya, you know, and so I'm
just hooked on Freedom of Information Act. Yeah, but that's

(09:50):
one of the things. The two sides of the coin
of openness to experience that they list are like dangerous
drugs on the bad side versus like being a really
good investigative on a list or lawyer. I'm just really
good at drugs, right, you are the best. I'm the best. Yeah.
So other categories agreeableness, which is pretty self explanatory. Conscientiousness

(10:12):
is more just like being aware of your surroundings, being productive, responsible,
and organized, which it's not like scored not too high
on that one, yeah, And then extra version is where
we really were different miles, right, Yeah, I scored seventy
nine and I scored thirty eight, so that balances out,
you know, yeah, exactly together together it's a hundred and seven.

(10:37):
We're off the charts. But yeah, so I don't know, Yeah,
take it. I mean, it's it's interesting to take. And
then when you actually read through, I'm like, there were more,
like more than other ones. I'm like, that's a pretty
good description of how I see things or whatever. But
so when they test what's that thing called the Q
rating where they test the likability of stars where they
ask other people basically getting a personality tests for third

(11:01):
party to the public, familiarity and things like that, I
wonder how those questions exactly. Wonder how those questions line
up with Yeah, that's interesting. The public always a good
judge of character. For instance, Bill Cosby was the most
trusted man in America up until like two thousand seven.
It's like, Yo, what were we doing, Miles, What is

(11:24):
this gizmotos story about the president being not entirely honest? Yeah,
breaking news man. You know, for all the ship that
President Trump talks about fake news, I mean, he needs
to take a look at himself. And what I mean,
look at himself look at the unedited photos of himself,
because someone at Gizmoto started kind of like doing some

(11:46):
side by side comparisons of pictures put out from Trump's
Facebook and Instagram along with the actual news photographs, and
realized that your boy is photo shopping himself to look
a little bit thinner, uh, you know, flatten out his
necklines a little bit, uh and and at times slightly
augmenting the size of his hands uh in like a

(12:09):
way that's like yeah, okay, Like and it's really subtle stuff,
like they're just sort of bringing in like his jacket
a little bit, or just slightly elongating a finger. But
I mean, ever since Graden Carter called him a short
fingered Vulgarian, he's been really on the defensive about his hands.
It's almost like that's the truly right right. I mean

(12:31):
the second someone calls you for something and you go
look at this. You lost? Yeah you lost, you lost.
But yeah, it's it's like funny because like it's like
he's doing something like face tuning, and you know, he's
trying to get his glow up on. I do something
was that what had the dog years and ship? I
was like, I think he's trying to get one over.
I don't think that's his biological it's pretty adorable noticed that.

(12:58):
Um yeah, so you know, just an interesting to get
a peek inside his head. But we knew how sort
of how insecure and aware he was of how he
looks and how he wants to look and be perceived.
But yeah, when you look at all this like it's
really subtle to like even the editor at Gizmoto who
was looking at these like had to do like sort
of overlay gifts. So you can kind of see the

(13:21):
difference because if you put him side by sign you'd
have to kind of squint your eyes, but you're like, oh, yeah,
look his like his torso got a little bit thinner,
his finger got like half an inch longer. Yeah, it
looks like they're like I'm looking at right, like you
can definitely see on his like the good one on
the face that looks like the ship that he's gonna
paint on the brick walls. When Phase two rolls around right,

(13:41):
that looks like that, that looks like the North Korea
like status, Like, oh, that's a handsome guy. And then
over here you're like, oh, that's a you know, a
Dumpy's you know, sucking a ship. But over here I
can definitely see the difference. Like yeah, but you know,
again this isn't surprising, but it's a funny one again,
you know, for all the ship that it's like about.
I mean, not that I'm even so prize at how
this person contradicts himself, but uh, it's it's a sad

(14:04):
look into a torture. It's like the very definition of
fake news like that, like this is in and of
itself like a fabricated report. Yeah. Yeah, like like if
you're putting altered pictures to yourself, like that's yeah, you're
the one. You're at this point right. The people who
basically invented photoshop was Stalinist Russia, like delete people from

(14:24):
pictures who he wanted killed and wanted erased from history
so people didn't start asking questions. And also just because
he was mean, yeah, are also putting himself next to
people he never meant to write. I don't know about it.
I just know that that was like the main thing
they used photoshop for was to just delete people from history. Um,

(14:45):
and then yeah they said that Kim Jong un, like
they don't think there has been a picture released to
the North Korean public where he hasn't been photoshops. Have
we not seen those photos? No, Yeah, it's just he's
always photoshoped essentially. Well, well, we see the Western media's
photos of him where he's definitely not photoshop right, I'm

(15:07):
trying to look. I don't think I've seen the side
by side of how is he just ripped or something.
He's always just like it's usually subtle stuff, but it's just,
you know, his insecurity kind of bleeds through and everybody
around him. One of the best movies of last year
actually was The Death of Stalin, and it just like

(15:29):
gets the sort of madness, sort of insanity that takes
hold when you are in a dictatorship where the whole
thing is just based around one person's whims and like
Khrushchev is played by Steve Bush and Krushchev ends up
like running Soviet Russia after Stalin is gone. But like

(15:51):
the thing he's best at is just playing this game
of Like he goes home at the end of these
like long all night drinking events where it's Alan like
has all his guys around him, like laughing at his
jokes and like telling him stories and ship and like
goes home and dictates to his wife everything that he
remembers saying because he's ship faced, but he wants to

(16:13):
remember it the next day so that he then can
Like because Stalin, that was a way he like manipulated
the people around him, was like basically everybody got ship faced.
He would make everybody get drunk and then like see
how like what they said, basically this is a reality
TV show. Yeah, that's exactly right. He also beend in
reality TV way ahead of his time. Hey, speaking of

(16:40):
giant corporations, McDonald is doing bacon fries. We talked about
this last year, yes, and we we saw there were
rumors very rabbid McDonald's fans were like, they're testing bacon
fries in this market. In the past, this market has
been used to test for like much larger national rollouts
of menu items and behold, I think star eating on

(17:01):
those bacon cheese fries will be available, and on top
of that, they're gonna add like bacon there. You can
get bacon on like a big mac or quarter pounder.
The only reason I bring this up is to promote this.
On January next Tuesday, from four to five pm Local time,
McDonald's is having what they call the Bacon Hour, where
they will let you add bacon to any item on

(17:24):
the menu that you could put it on a fileil
fish sandwich and really gross your friends out. Apple pie, yeah,
fuck it, apple pie, mac Fleury, whatever, anything. They will
let you do it, so you know, just to keep
all you stoners on red alert, it's happening, and it's
happening for free. That's a good like marketing stunt. Although
it's weird. I still as much as I like talk about, like,

(17:44):
oh that would be cool, I still need breakfast McDonald's.
You still only eat Yeah, that's like I haven't had
like a non breakfast item that wasn't fries and a
pretty long time. The fries are so good, though, man.
The breakfast, like the cult of breakfast at make donald's
is something that I have never got into. Yeah, I know,
it's like I'm not like even as a kid, like

(18:04):
I honestly didn't have breakfast at McDonald's until I was
like in my thirties. Like it just wasn't a thing
that like I was like, why would I want this?
And then I had it. I was like, okay, yeah,
you want to start your day off feeling like you
have for me wrong with you. For me, it started
off because my mom's Japanese, Like, I did not grow
up eating traditional American breakfast food, so I started being

(18:26):
fetishizing like eggs and bacon and sausage, like a McMuffin
type ship. And then I used to play hockey, so
you would wake up fucking wild early to go to
practice and that was like the only thing my practice
would be over would be seven am. And then then
my dad would be like, let's get McDonald's. My dad's black,
so he was like And then from there I was like,

(18:48):
see this is what I like. And I would ask
my mom to buy sage. She's like, I don't know
how to make that. I'm not doing that. So then
that's how for me it kind of turned into that.
But I know people that are also just you know,
red blooded Americans. Yeah, you're just fucking love this ship
out of it. And I don't know what it is.
If it's a convenience thing, if it's just like the
proper MSG and salt and fat is just hitting your
brain and the right you know levels that it becomes addictive.

(19:11):
But yeah, I mean, I've definitely like enjoyed the ship
out of McDonald's over my lifetime. Don't get me wrong,
It's just not something that like, no, I know, because
it's one of those things like the cult of bacon.
There's very similars the cult of McDonald's breakfast, where people
are like, we'll just spill their blood in the street
from Oh yeah, for sure. I'm more fascinating by people
that are like, I eat a big Mac every single
day for the last ninety seven years. Like there's some
dude that is like eating a big Mac every single day. Yeah,

(19:33):
we're in Buffett eats McDonald's breakfast every single morning and
he's still alive and doing well. Uh, last I heard
im say he's doing well. Yeah, I know. I have
a theory about like your body can be like if
you do anything in repetition, your body can adapt to it. Right.
So it's like if you had five cheerios and you know,
a bowl full of sugar every single day, and you know,

(19:56):
for your whole life and that's what your body knows.
I think it would be more detrimental if you're like
the one day, don't have that bullishirt. Right, you had
a friend who's grandma like only eight hot dogs and
drag PEPSI in like the last twenty years of her
life up until she was like, damn, honestly, I'm not
gonna lie. I'm kind of looking forward to that future.
But aigarette. Yeah. Man, Like, when I hit sixty, if

(20:17):
I'm still kicking like I'm not, I'm going to do
all of the things that I don't want to do
anything like that that I tried, I'm gonna be like,
oh no, no, guess what. Yeah, you know, I definitely
smoke a joint every single morning before I talk to anybody.
I'm not saying it's all genetics, your choices, Ken, but
at that point I'm sixty, like I put in these
good years, let's do this. I just want to while

(20:39):
out and do whatever I want. You'll be asked questions
about it. All right, We're gonna take a quick break.
We'll be right back. And we're back, and we are
thrilled to be joined on the phone by right wing
watches very own, the lightning rod of the right wing,

(21:04):
the enemy of the right wing. Mr Jared Hole. What's
going on? Man? Oh, thanks for having me. It's pleasure
to be back. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you know you
reached out to me on Twitter because we were trying
to like just get all the details on this Covington
Catholic showdown in d C, where it was very clear
to us what was going on, and then suddenly the
media took a right turn on their coverage of it,

(21:28):
and suddenly we were talking about how children's lives were
being ruined. Um, we want to give white boys the
benefit of every Yes, let's wait, let's wait for the
whole video to come out. Right, although bathroom John had
so he should have been shot, What then is that anyway? So, Jared, Yeah,
like you were, you were mentioning, like you know, this
was this wasn't just some organic thing like PR firms

(21:49):
were hired and there was a coordinated effort to begin
to sort of spin the coverage of this. Yeah, if
this story seems chaotic or confusing or like nobody knows
what's going on, that is on purpose because whenever it's
a PR strategy, whenever you can flood the zone with

(22:10):
you know, bits and pieces and various claims of information,
that provides a solid foundation to build a new narrative.
And that's exactly what we've seen develop over what is it,
day four, day five of this story, and so, like
it started off with everyone just sort of initially seeing
the first clip of Nicholas Sandman in Yeah, Nathan Phillips,

(22:33):
he was playing his drum and you just see that
ship eating grin in his face and you see all
this classmates, you know, mocking him and things like that
and just whatever hoo and hollering and ship. And at
first everyone was like, Okay, look at this ship. Look
at yet again another group of maga clad young people
harassing this Native American elder. And then suddenly if people

(22:54):
were like, well we need to see the whole tape.
You know, they didn't mob him, he came up to them,
and therefore this kid was standing his ground and just
being polite or whatever was in your ground. Yeah, it
was like and literally motherfucker's are saying stand your ground.
That's when I was like, you lost me there. But yeah, yeah,
so kind of like walk us through sort of the
evolution of how we got to, you know, looking at

(23:14):
this video to suddenly people like you know, Whoopie Goldberg
enjoy behar and the view saying I think we jumped
to I think we jumped too quickly jumped the gun. Guys. Yeah.
The Atlantic, the columnist who wrote about it was like,
I'm going to sit the next outrage wave out, you guys.
I made a bad decision. So yeah, let's talk about
how the story actually evolved. Yeah. So it was late
afternoon after the March for Life rally, which is a

(23:38):
rally that takes place in DC every year where various
religious organizations and schools, you know, busing a ton of
kids and a ton of activists into d C for
a few days to fight against women's rights to reproductive healthcare.
These group of kids from Covington Catholic High School and

(23:59):
kenti Ucky, we're at the Lincoln Memorial Um allegedly waiting
on a bus, and they got into this altercation back
and forth. Maybe altercation is too harsh for a word
like shouting match with black Hebrew is realized, which anybody
who lives in a major city has seen this group.

(24:21):
They show up on street corners, yell inflammatory things and
seek to you know, get attention. I sort of liken
it to the Westboro Baptist Church. So then incomes Nathan
Phillips and some various indigenous activists that are in town
for the Indigenous People's March, and you know, they get

(24:41):
in between the groups. Nathan Phillips is banging his drum
and singing, and then you get to the point where
this clip is filmed. That clip goes viral overnight into
early Saturday, and media personalities watch the clip. I if

(25:02):
I remember right, it was about two minutes, and a
lot of them, you know, reacted to what they saw,
which was incredible disrespect and it was just gross. It
just felt gross, you know. And then incomes this right
wing you know, media PR campaign that you know is

(25:23):
being ginned up by this PR firm in Kentucky called
Run Switch PR. And it starts with people like Joey Salads,
who is a right wing YouTuber who is infamous for
pissing into his own mouth for views, and you know,
sort of filters up into people like the Mike cernovich

(25:45):
Is of the world, the Jack Pisoviics of the world,
people who already have sort of a questionable credibility because
of involvement with conspiracy theories and outlets like info Wars.
They pick up the story and then from there it
gets picked in Reason magazine, and that is really sort
of what lit the match on this and once it
was in reason, it shot up through conservative media, and

(26:10):
you know, with each new additional video angle that came out, uh,
there were more and more cries for reporters to retract
their claims or to correct their claims. But what's important
to remember is no amount of additional footage or content
changed the facts of what happened in that video and

(26:33):
what people originally reacted to still stands. It still happens.
You know. Really this is just sort of like a
classic story of major media outlets and you know, what
we believe to be credible reporters getting thrown off their
game by a wide scale misinformation campaign and sort of

(26:54):
in the process, whether consciously or not, granting a luxury
to the students that you don't see media grant to
people in other cases, like you know, most prominently when
young black men get shot by the police. The yeah,
I feel like functionally or even the contextually, the only

(27:16):
thing that I saw that changed was maybe the idea
that these kids swarmed Nathan Phillips and that he approached them.
But even in that context, right like when they were like, well,
we had to just sort of like we were just
responding in the way we thought. I mean even then,
I don't even think that is the decent way, right
if you're if you're going to objectively try and not
avoid any kind of conflict, you just walk away. Yeah,

(27:37):
but rather than everybody has their maga hats on, they're
all turned up, they're doing the chop and saying all
kinds of other things, and I mean they're doing the
tomahawk chop in the background. That is, like, how is
that misinterpreted? I'm sorry, but whether you're a child or
whether you are a hundred and seventy two, like, I
think it's pretty easy to identify disrespect, Yeah, exactly, and

(27:59):
I think fun of mynt only we should try to
treat each other, which as much respect as we humanly can,
even when we're in moments of debate, because I think
debate is important, right, and you're gonna need to have
conversations about things. That's decidedly different than being accusatory, being aggressive,
being disrespectful, being dismissive and whatever package you want to

(28:19):
wrap around that. But like the bottom line is this,
Like they all had red maga hats on, right, and
like I'm sorry, but like groups of young white men
are not known to really be like great, yeah, well
you know what I mean in that situation approaching people
of color like oh yeah, we're just supposed to be like, oh,
these poor guys, like, oh, you mean the future tormentors
of America, you mean the next generation of oppressors. Yeah.

(28:43):
And you think about the history of white intimidation against
groups of people of color who are trying to demonstrate
or are trying to protest, like everyone was running all
those historical photos of how it looks, sh it has
not changed, you know, Like there's a history of this
of people trying to have their voices heard and then
being intimidated. So I think it falls in line with that.
And then this idea that there, you know, I think

(29:03):
with Sarah could be Sanders like, oh, how quickly we
love to destroy a child's life. You'll miss me with
that ship because when these days are around at the
border and put them up from their families, where is
that empathy? What about the child cages that are dying
because we won't give them water because their parents are
trying to make passage for a better life for their children.

(29:24):
It's really frustrating, and I think there's a lot of
you know a lot of people were instantly. I think
the other thing too, is we do live in an
era right where we have acknowledged that people are sort
of bringing their own ship to even looking at a
given image or video, and I think that that's why
people were able to play around with that, because some
people saw, oh, I just saw a kid smiling. Other
people were like, I know that ship eating grin because

(29:45):
I've been on the other end of that ship eating
grin in my life. And other people were like, well,
I don't know, we still have to see. And I
think they were able to play around with a lot
of people bringing their own sort of viewpoint to that
and sort of missing the overarching point, like you said, Jared,
is that we know disrespect, we see it, and this
they're not having their lives destroyed. I don't see any
of these kids they're being run out on a rail

(30:06):
from anywhere. If anything, they're being shamed for their shameful behavior.
And I think again, but but the right wing victim
self victimization machine fired up like real quick, and we
got to this point. Yeah, yeah, we know what the
maga hat symbolizes. They know what the maga hat symbolizes.
This is apparently a popular thing for groups of white

(30:29):
high school students to do is buy Maga hats, and
like there was a group that went to the National
Museum of African American History wearing it, and like it's
meant as a provocation. It's like a transgressive act. And
he's wearing it with a shit eating grin on his
face and not, as Tugger Carlson suggested, like a scared
look on his face. Motherfucker plan. Yeah, and then to

(30:53):
that point too, he has a pr firm, right, Nathan
Phillips doesn't to uh Nick Sandman on the A Show
on Wednesday, and then telling Savannah Guthrie that he's not
sorry what happened. He just says, I think I wish
things happened differently. And then now that this has been
deployed as another piece in the culture war two, because
now I think there's rumors that like Trump might have

(31:15):
them the covering to high school kids to the White
House or some ship. I don't know if that's true.
I've been I've read things like that, but of course
that would happen. Yeah, I mean, the hat is a
symbol of Trump, and it symbolizes hatred like that's that's
just the point that we're at with this president. We
have an actual person who got into power via hatred,

(31:37):
Like there's no disputing that. And to ignore that, and
to ignore the fact that he's wearing a maga hat
in the face of you know, somebody who is there
explicitly because they're part of a oppressed minority, Like just
miss me with that ship about them, like fucking like
needing our sympathy and the benefit of our doubt they're

(31:57):
being intentionally transgressive. Uh. And you know this is this
is a school by the way, that has a history
of just all sorts of weird ship, Like they have
students at basketball games where a black face. Yeah, like
they said, well, we have we have all theme nights.
We have white out, blue out, blackout, and so we're

(32:18):
just showing our school spirit. That's what they said on
Fox and Friends. And again when you have people in
all black but you're painting on a smiley face and eyes, yes,
you're not just blacking your body, you're putting on black face.
And especially when then you go to skip the black out. Yeah,
slip the black the black out your body white blue. Great,
there's too much skip the red out, Skip the yellow out,

(32:39):
skip the brown out. Let's just do purple out green
to bet when they're doing the blue out, they don't
have a big smiley face like painted on their face,
like it's a minstrel cartoon. Well right, and again to
like even the images you've seen of them, like there
were students in black face, like just like trying to
like I don't know, provoke a black basketball player in

(33:00):
the opposition team at a game. You're like, come on,
and then, like you know, a lot of people I
don't know how much of these anecdotal or anecdotes are true,
but other people have come out with stories of like
people who had gone there in the past, and like,
you know, this is not really surprising for the school, right,
I mean you know, oh, I mean like this can
all like feel very frustrating, and you like look too

(33:21):
media outlets in this country, especially the big ones, and
you wonder like how this could happen. But the fact is,
like this thing, whether it's you know, the photos of
the students in black face get up or you know,
this original clip or various you know, other details that
are coming out about how these boys behaved at the

(33:44):
march or things that have happened at the school, Like
it's all very clear, but it's sort of a big
problem that we have in our reporting right now, which
is that you know, right wing causes are able to
compile leatly, manipulate reporters and change the conversation entirely and

(34:05):
in the process abandon all responsibility for anything shitty that's
happening or any problems in this country that we need
to have an honest conversation about. Right It's happening with
the quote unquote debate over the wall, like now suddenly
Nancy Pelosi is being depicted as you know, just one
side in this debate over like whether the wall needs

(34:28):
to be funded and the government shutdown, and you know
they're the Democrats not willing to entertain any ideas on
funding a monument to racism. Is now, you know, that's
just one side of of the debate. This is going
to happen in a world where you know, the president

(34:49):
himself is his name is used as a taught by
school bullies and people who are like harassing someone for
racist reasons, and in a coming off a year where
the you know, white people committed the most extremist violence
ever this last year, so you know, ship like that's
on the rise. And also I think there also needs
to be just as much you know, smoke for these

(35:11):
parents and teachers too, you know what I mean, because like, yeah,
I get to a certain point. You know, when you're
a kid, you really don't know ship, But also you
need that's where mentors, teachers, parents need to step in
also to make sure you know that fucking kids are
are raised right, learn the basic the like the minimum
for respect. I agree with you, but that's why I

(35:32):
call them the future oppressors of America because within their
constructs of their school and their community, they're probably the
stalwarts of the community, their upstanding city and sence they're doing.
They're modeling all the behaviors that they're watching. They live
in a community that has like the protection of the
cloak of on accountability that Trump has been giving people,
you know what I mean, Like to your point, Jack, like,
that's exactly what people are saying, is they're going around

(35:53):
and being like, well, the president supports me, so why
should I finally have I finally have to stop pretending
that I don't feel this way. Oh yeah, if if
Barack Obama was like yo, smoke blunts every day. That
would be like, that's what exactly, That's what Obama said,
you know what I mean? Like that, that's another other
dimension of confidence to do or to have. You know,

(36:14):
you can be sanctimonious about ships because you're like, oh,
well he's on my side. Truth is on my side.
You know, all these little communities that are very hatefield
that have been you know, slowly burning that oil, that
same tallow that they you know, killed a while ago,
are now pouring vats of it onto it because they
can and nobody is stopping there, you know what I mean.
But to Jared's point, that's the sad part about how

(36:34):
we talk about it in the media, what we amplify
the stories that we tell the spin that people forget
how much money is going on behind us, right And
to your point, you know, I'm with you, Miles where
it's like at some point, like these kids are just kids,
and I always hope that, you know, instead of getting
docs or like death threats or whatever, that this could

(36:55):
just be a teachable moment. But we're seeing like the
reaction here was not to have a teachable moment. The
reaction was to hire a pr firm and run a
media operation that they're using to just bludgeon reporters over
the head and gaslight them entirely. Yeah, and let him
go on today's show and be like, I'm not sorry.

(37:16):
I'm sorry that people are upset. I'm sorry that it
could have gone a different way. Hindsight, I was standing
my ground. It's like, and he looked man like. He
looks so like lawyers ran through all the words he
can and can't use it ship. But again, this is
where you know, when this kind of story now enters
culture war territory, that's when all this ship mobilizes around
it and we get a situation like this, so right,

(37:36):
and just speaking of the parents that there was a
mother of one of the boys who wrote to heavy
dot com and was like, it was shameful. Did you
witness the black Muslims yelling profanities and videotaping to get
something to further your narrative of hatred? So we we
see where their true colors lie. The black mourn the

(37:59):
black is real light into the black, who are already
a problematic group. I mean, nobody's right, yeah, no, nobody's
like yeah yeah, but they're just like yeah, no Muslims.
You know, I word black. We love fighting against that ship.
They're trying to turn that ship into uh, their crusades.
But yeah, again, you know, it's important to look where
everybody's empathising because it's you know, we've shown in the

(38:22):
last year things happen when you're just a white teenager.
We can forget about it, you know, Breck Havanon just
like these beers, and we can just act like, you know,
there's a youthful transgression, but you know, this is the
state of things. All right, We're gonna take a quick break.
We'll be right back, and we're back. All right, guys,

(38:48):
let's talk about some things that are happening in the
zeitgeist right now. So I just wanted to This is
kind of a random one, but I think this is
one of the interesting details of the zeke Guist that
I always find myself paying attention to is how words
filter through the zeitgeist. And I've noticed myself actually wanting
to use the word wild as an adjective like instead

(39:10):
of like crazy er, uh some other thing about like
something being over the top. And then like I found
myself using it so much that I was like, all right,
I gotta stop using that. And then I noticed Alexandria
Casio Cortez use it in a tweet yesterday, and then
I woke up this morning I had a my first
news flash like on my phone head wild used as

(39:31):
an adjective, and Brooke, you have a theory on on
where this is coming from. I do, And I'm not
trying to name drop that I know and admire this
person in particular, but I really think like Nicole Buyer
has been saying this like for a long time. Yeah,
she's used it as a hilarious adjective like I used

(39:52):
to produce and director, like when she she do interviews
on Girl Code, like her Instagram descriptions have been you know, based,
She's used the adjective wild for as long as I
can remember to basically describe how insane and racist people
are in her comments while being really funny about it.
But she said people are wild in these and she's
been doing it for a long time. I think she's

(40:13):
like wild is the new Yams, And you know, it's
fun to have an adjective and a descriptor different than
crazy because crazy is getting tired, right and now it
is sort of like Oh, well, it's like a gas
lading word toward women, or it's being disrespectful to anyone
with mental health struggles or whatever. Wild is like this

(40:35):
feels fresh off the tongue. I mean, I think it's
just ebonics, you know, essentially, because it's like a thing
I hear. I think it starts probably with wilding, you know,
when they were using that talk about teens, the problematic
use of it of like these black teenage like wilding,
and then that turns to wilding out, to wilding out
or they wilding, and then you get wild and I think, yeah,

(40:57):
it's like it's definitely a thing I've heard a hip
hop but I feel it's one of those things that
it just reached the threshold where now it just spilled
over into the general like American lexicon where you hear
wild a lot. But I think with also Jesus and
Marrow too, they probably use the word wild seven thousand
times in episode that Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, and

(41:17):
it's and using it as the wild something like as
a modifier to like something can be wild, or you
like I'm smoking the wild l you know, like whatever
it is. I'm sure it's like all of these things,
you know, like it's all a bunch of contributing factors,
and I think many people are getting it from many dimensions.
But plus, yeah, I think wild and wild has been
I think it's must descend from wild, and I think

(41:39):
it's also like right if you can use it in
different areas of language. It's sort of like I was
in Hawaii and just you just say like mahollow for everything,
and it's like a good cool thing or like you
ever sees like in the Netherlands, like a word like gazelli.
You know, it's just like good general feelings or whatever,
or like lequor just kind of means like any taste whatever.

(42:03):
You know. Wild, I think generally is kind of I
think it's a it's definitely attributing negative qualities to things
right now or things that are extra extra or negative.
I feel like it's kind of what that means, I wonder. Yeah,
it's also like a very good description of our day
to day lives. And you know, we have somebody running
the free world who seems to be governed by animal instincts,

(42:28):
and it keeps, yeah, it keeps harder, news cycle completely wild.
I'm still sticking. I like, you know, I know, crazy
a little played out, so I prefer crazies that or
bonkers and bananas still stand by. Those are a couple
of my faves not as popular. Yeah, I mean, I'm
gonna say, I'm thinking I was attributed to New York.

(42:51):
I have a feeling that's where it all started. Yeah,
big city where I mean we get so much of
our slang from either drag queens or her pop and
a lot of the stuff we get from hip hops
coming from New York. But anyway, Yeah, this is a
wild segment where watching he'd be like, I've noticed myself
wanting to use the adjective it's very delicious dish right exactly.

(43:18):
I don't know, I find it interesting. I want to
see if other people find it interesting and keep an
eye up. Well, when we hear like Corva Coleman doing like,
you know, like a wild next on, I think, just
like the way Litt has also crossed a crossed the
rubicon too. Yeah, but yeah, that seems more like a
new thing, And I understand why that is, Like it's

(43:41):
like think kids say and it just comes up the
normal way that like kind of hip catch phrases come up.
But like Wild has been a thing my parents have
said like for years and stuff, and I don't feel
too old to say there's like there's like a non
agism with the word. I feel like you'd see hippie
save like man, that's wild. Yeah, exactly far out. I know,

(44:05):
somebody probably wrote a dissertation on the origins of wild
and slang, so please please hit us with that study. Yeah,
and I mean the vocal fry. One of the most
interesting things I've heard in the past couple of years
was somebody tracing vocal fry as it went from you know,
valley girls in the eighties too then just most women

(44:26):
to now everyone has like vocal fry or it's like
you're talking about it's like literally literally also another one anyways,
Uh well, speaking of the middle of America, Yeah, Costco
has a plan, you guys, they might be stepping into
the streaming arena this wild Yeah, so this media exact.

(44:49):
Mark Greenberg apparently has been shopping an idea around for
like a Netflix that speaks to the forgotten American you know,
the people in fly over country in the Midwest that
don't have the taste for hoity toity shows like Stranger
Things or Homecoming or the Ranch, you know what I mean,
people the ranch that was made for for people who

(45:12):
don't like don't black mirror anyway. So Greenberg was working
with Walmart on something like on a very similar thing
because you know, they're like, we need a team up
with a brand that like Middle America inherently just trusts
and will not think about the destruction of mom and
pop stores. They feel, you're Walmart is good. But then

(45:33):
Walmart is like, now I think we're all in on Voodoo,
that Paige streaming platform. I think they have something to
do with Voodoo. So they passed on it. Yea. So
now Greenberg is talking with Costco because that's sort of
like the other very familiar brand to anyone in America,
but also Walmart. Also Walmart's arts nemesis. So just thinking
of like, yes, get into this, because I think a

(45:54):
lot of it has to do with the idea that Netflix.
They feel like there's been Although there has been huge
scriber growth, it's happening in like other countries, the subscription
growth in the US is starting to kind of flatten out,
and I think that is where these people say like, oh, okay,
so they've done peak coastal urban or like metropolitan market penetration.

(46:15):
But what about these other states? Like what about these
other places? Is there is there another market that we're
just not tapped into. So I don't know what kind
of programming that they have will be. Maybe it'll be
you know, more Mike Huckabee specials, the Leather Special with
Mike Huckabee. Oh yeah, we need to get we need
to get back to I tried huck I tried watching
it and I've almost had a fucking meltdown because we

(46:38):
were watching My Huckabee show last week and punching up
some of his jokes. Did you know he has a
late night show now I would, Uh, well, I told
you I just stopped drinking. So I don't think I
should watch it on more on solid self care is
actually not watching That's like and I mean that, but yeah,
I think that's where the market is, where they still

(47:00):
feel that. And I think, you know, there was like
a study where a majority of people like in Middle
America felt that the media does not actually functionally understand
how they live or what their life is like for sure,
and interesting thesis. I mean, because CBS has an audience, right,
and CBS is one of the networks that kind of
caters to more Middle American viewers. But you know, there's

(47:23):
not CBS doesn't have some like great streaming platform or
something that they're that they're getting people to buy into.
So and I mean, like I I was on a
show for a couple of years that just got canceled
this week. It's okay, But like True TV is also
kind of like the high quality network that like, I'm sorry,
it's like Middle America watches True TV what they're doing

(47:46):
in my mind where I'm like, I feel like Adam
Conover Show, which is so great, like people really enjoy it,
but I think he's about like where Middle America tops out,
just because he's like debunking things and you know, and
he's got an ascot on and whatever, and like I
love all that about Adam and then but I think
that's who watches TV. Yeah, yeah, no, it's an interesting thesis.
It'll be interesting to see if if Costco has the

(48:09):
stomach for it. Kirkland though, you know, look, they got
their their shine in baskets, right, So Costco has already
entered the media sphere. That's the fut I'm concerned with
Louis Anderson buy Kirkland everything, my god, I mean it
is beloved everywhere Costco. Honestly I might if it was
called Kirkland Flicks or some ship. I would be like,

(48:31):
I kind of have to see here. Have you guys
ever had a Kirkland signature? Hangover? Yes? What do they have? Oh?
Just a big bottle of like silver tequila. Like it's
like if you're throwing, you know, a big get together,
you do not shell out for top you know top brands.
You go to Costco and making it just a different bottle.

(48:53):
Possibly that I am responsible. Hangover disagrees. Yeah, I love
the light beer. We call hi Kirkland Spicies, but they're
just Kirkland light Beer. It's so aggressively generic. Unit price
comes out to about forty cents a can. Yeah, get
that Kirkland light just s will be tricky. All right,

(49:13):
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