Whistleblower TEA, TURDminator 11.5.19

In episode 509, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and FilmDrunk Frotcast co-host Matt Lieb to discuss Trump hating this impeachment news, 2020 Democratic polling and how the mainstream media works around it, how Beto O'Rourke's campaign failed, the alleged news about Jared Kushner's involvement with Jamal Khashoggi's murder, the new Terminator film, and more!

FOOTNOTES:

1. Trump's impeachment inbox
2. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
3. Inside Beto O’Rourke’s collapse
4. ‘Seven whistleblowers’
5. 'Terminator: Dark Fate' Puts Franchise on Ice, Faces $120M-Plus Loss
6. We Went There: A Feminist Interpretation of Terminator: Dark Fate
7. 7 Films With Symbolism You Didn't Notice (And Can't Unsee)
8. 'Terminator' and a Complicated Legacy of Female Empowerment
9. WATCH: Tame Impala - It Might Be Time (Audio)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season one or seven,
Episode two of Daily Sights. Guys start production by Heart Radio.
This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
into America's share consciousness and say, officially off the top,
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It's Tuesday, November five. Team. My name is Jack O'Brien

(00:21):
a k. I heard him on a pod they say
was second rate. His ass was non existent in his hands,
tend to shake. His name's O'Brien and Jack O'Brien and
her to see if pod Moran and I'm thrilled to
be joined as always by by co host Mr Miles Yes,

(00:42):
it's Mr Miles Gray, a Japanese experimental artist your boy
Kusamba and I'm keeping it. Look, I know there's a
lot of fire a ks I've been getting. The reason
is I have so many a kas from y'all that
are like nine fucking verses long. I can't just be
doing the first line with no instrumental like you don't
have to be on v M A level productions. So

(01:02):
I thank you for standy by me as I worked
this out in the lab. That's why I love Hannah Saltish.
She always brings me, uh the ak s that are
just like a couple of lines with like a word
changed to my name at the very end. Love them,
love them, love them or hate him? We get them.
We get all kinds of a k s. I love
when people recognize the low level of difficulties that I

(01:25):
am drawn to. You play guitar hero on casually. Yes,
I'm We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat
by the hilarious comedian Mr Matt Lee. Happy to be back,
welcome back. Yeah, shout out to Nag who is a
fan of this show. Her name is Nag. That is

(01:46):
the real name for nagduh. Her father was a big
up artist. Yeah she is. Well, she did corner me
at a wedding though, to tell me that she's a big,
big fan of this podcast. Recognize you from the Instagram
picture or no? No, I know her from she's friends

(02:08):
friends friends friend. Yeah, she knows my friends. I know
her friends. It's the same friends. But her and I
are not friends. Put that when I could be like
neg is short for negligence. Yeah, your name should have
been Meg. Meg is normal. Why don't you have a
normal name like a shark. Your name makes me uncomfortable
to suit, damn man. But yeah, she's a big fan

(02:31):
of the podcast that guys be Yeah, just just connecting
those people with the weird names. Yeah. Yeah. Also neg
if that's you, what's your real name? Very interested? Yes?
And yeah, why are you lying about your name? We
know that's not your name? Going by an AC at
the wedding, by a k at a wedding. Yeah all right, Well, Matt,

(02:53):
we're going to get to know you a little bit better. Sure,
but first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of
things we're talking about today. Uh. You're going to check
in with the impeachment inquiry. I'm talking about impeaching this cree.
We're going to look at democratic polling, uh and what
it means where we stand? What does it? What do
this means? What it means? Uh? And you know, speaking

(03:16):
of democratic everything, Betto is gone? He gone, Where do
you go? H? He went back to skateboarding? Hell yeah, dude,
he I think he's gonna be in the new Tony Hawk. Yeah.
Wait for real, because that sounds real. I know it
sounds like some DLC. Yeah, I watched there's gonna be

(03:40):
like a candidate pack for something for these games coming out. Yeah, dude,
you get the new Beato skin. D No, dude, I
got the Amy klobish our skin. She's just like stands
there on the side and skateboarding. Yeah, real angry though. Yeah,
it's actually the most fun character to play. What are
her characteristics? Intensity? Ten ideas? Three? Uh, we're gonna talk

(04:03):
about whistleblower tea. There's there's in Washington that's real spicy.
We're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about the
new Terminator movie that barely anyone saw. And the Watchman
series on HBO. You're watching that, Yeah, you're watching the Watchman.

(04:24):
Well there's the that answers the question watches the Watchman. Well,
we're done, segment, done and done. You gotta find a
new subject. But first, Matt, we like to ask our guests,
what is something from your search history that is revealing
about who you are? That is a great question. The
first thing is Ronan Pharaoh Frank Sinatra. That is very

(04:46):
revealing about me. I'm sure you guys have discussed that.
That's that's his dad, that's clearly his dad. Like, have
you seen Ronan pharaoh's face. Yeah, now have you seen
it looks like young does he have young blue got
young blue eyes, dude, but he's young blue. Also, yeah,
it's the same, it's the same age of blue. And

(05:09):
like you look at Woody Allen as an old man,
as a young man, as an in between man. There
is no way, there's no way that Ronan Pharaoh away.
Who's his supposed to be His dad is supposed to
be Woody Allen. His biological father is supposed to be
Woody Allen. Yes, yes, yes, so the story there is okay,

(05:33):
so I decide with Woody Allen. So Mia Pharaoh was
married to Woody Allen and had Ronan Pharaoh, right, and
uh so people as Ronan got older and more Frank
Sinatra like, people were like that guy kind of looks
like and and that was the thing for a while

(05:55):
there there was no like real conspiracy about or like
you know, people really didn't know. But then now he's
at the age where you're like, it is undeniable, like
any child can look like Frank Sinatra. Jack, I'm sure
you look like Frank sint actually a little bit blue
eyes you but you but like now and also Mia

(06:16):
Farrow says, it's entirely possible. Yeah, when you look at
young Woody Allen like, well, I don't see any of
ron I see me. When I look at young Woody Allen,
I'm like, yeah, he looks like me. Look at the
same news websites. They're being scandalous with all these side
by sides where you're just like, okay, we get it.
That's just they're doing the side by sides, but like

(06:37):
finding places where they're wearing the same color, putting that
next year in the same face. But it does look
a lot like him. I mean, and I'm no expert
in DNA, yeah, but I am an expert at knowing
when you know, I'm not. Wait, this guy on a
business card you hand out spread at DNA, what is

(07:01):
that then? Yeah, d's nutshole nuts. Yeah, I'm an expert
at these nuts assholes icebreaker every morning. But I'm looking again.
Aneath gets me in sticky situations that I have an
expert witness in a murder. Occasionally I show up in
court like, listen, this is an elaborate joke that works

(07:22):
great at parties. But also if they look like each other,
then that's probably the killer. That's usually what I say. So, yeah,
I mean, he just looks exactly like them. There's a
there's a story, and the kids stays in the picture
where Mia Pharaoh is like I think married to Frank
Sinatras during the filming of Rosemary's Baby. But then the

(07:43):
kid Robert Evans rest in Peace. Does he have an
affair with her? And like gets her out of that relationship.
It's been a while since I read the book, but
probably there was that sounds right, sounds right. But the
bottom mine is, look at those two photos. Her exactly
was a romantic involvement, and she even she says it's possible,

(08:07):
and she said they divorced, but they never really broke up,
so meaning that, like it would also mean because he
was born like the mid to late eighties, I think
I think he held out so he was so Frank
was still an old man, but dude still had the
thickest ropes. And so I believe it because he looks virile.

(08:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, so I'm just saying like
that part of her statement also, yeah, when we divorced,
never really broke up. What is something you think is underrated?
The ropes underrated? Let's see. I mean, I think a
lot of things are underrated, but personally I would have
to go with Jim Jones, the referends, the Reverend Jim Jones. Yeah, underrated. Okay,

(08:54):
well because like a lot of people remember him from Jonestown,
look at his earlier you do. Have you looked at
his earlier work before he did that whole thing, he
was actually like a civil rights reverend. He actually I
think he integrated, uh the one of the first diners
in Indiana or something, and like he was like kind

(09:16):
of on the cutting edge of the civil rights movement
in the fifties. Now, what had happened was that I
like Jim Jones story that what had happened was for
it was the first what happened was uh no, I

(09:37):
mean yeah, he went to uh, you know, Guyana and
then like made a bunch of people take cyanide and
like literally made them. If you listen, there's an audio
recording of the whole process as he tells them they're
going to take it, and then people are not taking
it because they're like, yeah, they're like rather not, and

(09:58):
he's like drink it, you see your mouth sort of thing,
Like we're going around checking on you. Yeah, Like it
wasn't It wasn't a thing where everyone was brainwashed. It
was a thing where he was just like you and
on all you need to do is brainwashed, just a
few strong people to hold down the weak people and
make them drink this. And he also had armed guards.
But what had happened, So what had happened was that

(10:19):
like and I'm not even talking about the Yeah, okay,
so he like helped kill a thousand people. But like
before that, what happened He left the country and then uh,
this was like in the fifties or early sixties, and
when he came back, the civil rights movement had been
pretty much taken over by people who were actually needing
those civil rights. So Martin Luther King Jr. And uh whatnot,

(10:43):
We're out there asking for rights, and they were now
the face of the civil rights movement. And he got
kind of resentful because he was like he really had
like the highest level white savior comp could possibly have.
And so he just felt a lot of resentment over
the fact that, like, listen, I was supposed to save people.
Yeah you know, so don't let anyone ever tell you
the civil rights movement did not have its victims. Yeah,

(11:05):
exactly exactly, poor Jim Jones and ego title, Like I
was like, well, guess what I kill these people? Then? Yeah,
you know what I mean. He's a great example of
somebody who like kind of made small ripples earlier on
because he had that toxic narcissism drive certain people to
just seek in America and like that's why we should

(11:28):
never be surprised when our famous people turn out to be. Yeah,
all of your fames are problematic for this this very reason,
some of all of them, but like a lot of
them are driven here, so I'm no one's favorite. Yeah
that's not true. Yeah, but anyways, Uh, Jim Jones, before

(11:48):
he lost his mind, he was doing good activism and
it is obviously that doesn't make up for everything, but
it's like one of those things where you keep in mind,
like you know, what are your reasons for doing activism
if you're doing it so that all the people around
you are going to thank you? But maybe and that
ain't it's just when it happened to be one of
those things where his ego overlapped with a good cause.

(12:09):
Y yeah, were like the dangerous man, Like this is
just a part of that ven diagram a dangerous mix,
almost as dangerous as kool aid. And did anyone play
possum h for sure? For sure? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah.
There's a great book, Road to Jonestown. You should check
it out. It is it's so because I can only

(12:30):
imagine what that person is, like that's one of them,
like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's one of those stories
that has gotten But they were going around checking people
and being like are the foaming at the mouth? Okay? Good?
Like that. It was like it was to that degree. Uh,
and it was just all about his ego. But that's
one of those stories like from history that has gotten

(12:52):
turned into just like a family guy cut away, like
drink the kool aid. But it's actually the more you
read about it more wilder than like interesting. It gets. Well,
then someone came back in the news that was part
of that group with the congress person that got killed
when they visited I forget why, And then like that
sort of brought my focus background. I'm like, oh yeah,

(13:13):
I know. Literally like they killed a congressman before they
killed everyone shot him like while he brought a plane airport. Yeah,
they were like, but somebody survived that didn't they or
something I believe, because then I think, whatever, okay, interesting
that person went on to be that kid from the
Chicago Cubs fans who caught the ball that was who

(13:36):
it was, Steve Bartman. Yeah, wait, no, al right, everything
you guys say sounds true. It's called being foolish. What
is something something you think is overrated? Uh? Pry. I'm
just tired of their toxic centerism. I can't stand it.
I turned it on, I listened to it regularly, but
I don't think there is a single channel that I've

(13:59):
ever listen to where I as I shut it off,
I say, shut the funk up every time. I can't.
I can't stand it. It's like one of those things
where I listened to it because I want the news
and I want to be informed, but just after a while,
it's like the whole vibe of it is toxic centrism.
I think it's a perfect way of putting it. And
then also um and then on the weekends, just the

(14:21):
worst comedy shows that you can possibly I just can't
view unless you guys are fans of those, in which
case I say, dude, I love Wait wait, don't tell me.
We've had panelists from wait wait, don't tell me on no.
And that's the thing. The panelists are great, A lot
of them are our homies, uh and whatnot, and good
for them, But the show itself and not just that show,

(14:42):
but every show that they have that's like a comedy
show is like it sounds like just a really I'm
a really funny professor. And then and then it's like
just an audience, a room full of just rapid piggies
just on everything. They think everything's funny, and I'm like,

(15:03):
you guys are too easy of an audience. And it's
not fair too. It's not real. It's not real life.
The sound of Santa Monica, it is the sound of
Santa Monica. It's just just a bunch of monocles all
just flapping together. Yeah, just got two monocles in today.
I just can't stand it. So NPR's entire vibe bums
me out. And yet I listened to you think somebody

(15:25):
ever rocked two monocles at once before. They're like, homie,
just put on a glasses because it was a monocle.
Meant just because if you have one good eye, like,
let me just correct that. I yeah, I think so.
I mean I don't know, just the idea of something
be like hold on, man, let me put my monocles on.
There's all sorts of interesting things that were like invented
way later than they should have been. Like screwdrivers were

(15:48):
invented like hundreds of years after the screw what they
were just like using like straight edged things to trend
screw stuff in very dumb But yeah, man, man, I
mean so anyways, NPR, so that I mean it's to
listen to their news coverage is just apps. It's just
a disservice to anyone who wants the world is on

(16:08):
fire and everyone's dying back to you in Washington. It's
just like you can emote, you can you're allowed to emote. Yeah,
that's it. I By and by the way, the names,
all of the names are so NPR. Hetty Lynn Herdis,
her name is Hetty Herdie. Her name is Hetty Hurdie

(16:31):
May Hettie heard every freaking name. Lynn Herdis is not
her last name. I think, well, I assumed that it
was Hetty Lynn Herds or Hetty her name is Hedy herdis.
How can your name? There's just a lot of NPR names.

(16:51):
Every every time I listened to the credits of This
American Life. I'm like, fake name, fake fake name ship?
What is a myth? What's then people think it's true?
You know to be false. I mean, you've probably already
covered this, but like Jeffrey Epstein got marked in prison,
right right, I'm sure you guys have talked about it.
There's not a podcast in the world that hasn't talked

(17:13):
we We've probably undercovered it, really, I think because we
get died. We were just like man killed and kept
it moving. And then when other people are like, we
think he got killed, Like yeah, I think everybody thinks
he got killed. Right, that's almost I guess that's where
you sort of then it just stops there because at
one point, what when you forced these like corporate media

(17:35):
companies to actually keep talking about it because you saw
what happened on the Daily Show? Yeahevor knows like to
Hillary Clint, So what you do to get je killed him?
Like yo, I'm really too soon. Jess Lane Maxwell was
at what's her name wedding? Come on, are we gonna?

(17:58):
I mean, I don't here's the thing I had. I'm
not saying that the Clinton's did it. I don't really
know who did it all I know, but I was
pretty certain that he was murdered because of course he was,
because everyone was saying he's about to get murdered, because yeah,
and he knew all he knew all the fucking darks

(18:19):
and also the Daily Piece came out with the fact
that he was also he was a informant. He was
like he turned States witness or something right before he murdered. Yeah,
oh right, because that's why his lawyers were coming. I
knew he was going to get murdered the second that
we were doing on his on his background and his

(18:42):
selly had assaulted him. Well, no, no, no, it was
even before that. It was when one of his victims
was like, yeah, he told me he asked me about
one of the people that he made me have sex
with and said that he does this to get dirt
on people. And it was like, yeah, so that was
his whole Like he's way too dangerous to these people.

(19:03):
He's all compromat. That's the whole thing is is collecting that.
And so if that's the case, he has made so
many enemies that of course one of them was like,
especially when they're the levels these people are, you know,
like talking about the actual oligarchal like a billionaire class,
the class that actually, like when people are like trying

(19:26):
to make up conspiracy theories about cabals, this is like
the actual cabal. It's just a bunch of billionaires. You
have a lot of money, and you've got weird sexual taste.
Like he's the one who's like taking advantage of it.
And that's the thing. I mean, I'm not a conspiracy theorist,
but he definitely was murdered. But you know, they're cabal
and out of control, right, they are out of control.
And I think it's also like that Chris Rock joke

(19:46):
is like I'm not saying that did it, Yeah, but
I understand you understand why, but I understand the fact
that it's undercovered on our show. I feel like it
is like that jonestown thing, where like a story we
just we just accept it and don't be so dark.
And but it's also like, so the truth is so

(20:07):
self evident that we're just like, yeah, I guess that's
it and move on, But like it's too weird to
move on. I mean, that's that's the problem. Is like
I've realized that what is happening because of the fact
that it's not really covered in like twenty four hour
news networks is that, um, like, where are people getting
because everyone wants to know, everyone needs their like what

(20:27):
happened to Epstein though for real fix and so now
everyone is being pushed to alternative media that doesn't really
have all the right facts. So people are gonna get
like as soon as he died, I said, oh shit,
America just got red pilled. Because if if the news
media does not decide to do like an honest like
coverage of this event, everyone's gonna be pushed into He's

(20:50):
just gonna go on you know iTunes and go Epstein
and then you're gonna find a bunch of ten fowel
like this. Yeah, like us, we don't know that, j
B saying, I said that was a yeah, cameras. I
don't know things about things. All I know is that
someone needs to like cover we need ronan Pharaoh. But
for Epstein, yeah, I mean I don't see why he
wouldn't be going looking into this, You figure he is.

(21:12):
I think Max and Neve from Catfish are gonna are
working on a down Yeah I hope so, um they're
gonna turn Can you imagine yeah, for Richard Jarecki or
something about but there's going to be burpon in that
final episode. That's my question, Andrew. The mainstream media, the

(21:34):
mainstream media is actively turning down like viewership and traffic
by not covering this and more suspicious because yeah, right,
because then at a certain level, again, when you speak
to like the socio economic classes people, it's like the
people who are also running these companies probably know them.
Like literally everybody wants to know more about this story,

(21:54):
and it's just talking about nothing but this story except
for the extremely extremely extremely rich who just when everybody
to shut the funk up. Yeah, and it's it's just
it's it's so rare that you the only time do
you ever see the mainstream media actively turned down viewership
for something, it's like or like decide not to cover stuff.
It's things like the NBC News deciding to uh not

(22:17):
cover their you know, the head of NBC News was like, uh,
complicit in the cover up for Matt Lower stuff, Like
that's something that just came out. Now we know that
they were actively trying to like stop this information from
coming out. So now when things don't get covered that
everyone's talking about the assumption is people at the top
are doing this on purpose, so I don't understand why

(22:40):
why they can't just like and so all that's let
this fox News, like Fox News occasionally coming up with
you know, like what happened with Epstein or like Trump
who like there's no way Trump murdered uh Jeffrey Epstein
because he's incompetent. That's like he wants to He wanted
to kill him, for sure, but there's no way that did. Yeah,

(23:01):
my friends said that like if if he tried, Giuliani
would accidentally make it as a Facebook status. You know.
There's also like a whole weird Kevin Spacey aspect and
this we might have to like dig in because Kevin
Spacey was on the lead Express with Chris Tucker. Chris Tucker,
So my theory Chris Tucker did it. Yeah, I can

(23:21):
see it. Yeah, he just wanted to do another rush.
We'll have to do like a deep diver then to
do an entire app in the one of Kevin Space's
accusers died. The other one just totally caught amnesia a
drug overdose, which impossible to It's just like this is

(23:42):
the problem. It's so many things there's so many things
that make it fascinating. And I've never been a conspiracy
theory guy. I don't like them. They're all very close
to anti Semitism, so I stay but like they always
lead back to they always do. Yeah. In fact, I
appreciate people more who are like it's lizard people because
at least they're making up a person to hate. Yeah, right, Yeah,

(24:08):
there's problems when they come back down to Earth. Ago.
Oh that's crazy. It's not it's there's no hollow moon,
but there's Jews know what was doing? Yeah, but I
mean someone's got to cover it. There's so many things
that whole Frank what was that Frank Underwood video that
he put out at Christmas? Do you see? That crazy thing?
Was so poorly lit and the audio was terrible, and
it was like why is he doing this? Who is

(24:30):
he talking tom? Why is he drinking from a coffee
cup that is specifically like from the royal family, and
like Prince Andrew got caught up in it. And then
it's just like it's all of these things. What is
there another conspiracy about that video? Like there is all
a bunch of messaging in the imagery. We're you guys
have to do a whole segment. You have to do

(24:53):
it because to me, at this point, you guys are
the mainstream media and I need you guys. I need
you guys going to be able to cover it. Yeah,
you're gonna be a lot of talk about Balding and
Edy and Arsenal interspersed with our fucking huge scoops break
and occasionally esoteric stories are about like nineties basketball stars

(25:17):
were like where did they go? His Waymon Tisdale still
slap on that base? Where is Anthony Peeler? Which the
dudes on the Magic had the tattoo that was his
face on his arm? Was that Nick Scott, Nick Anderson,
Nick Anderson or Dennis Scott Dennis Scott? I think one
of those, one of them. I think Nick Anderson was it?
Nick Anderson? Anyway, Orlando Magic zinking let us know because

(25:38):
that was man, that was a team. I just yeah,
because Stevo did it as a bit having his face
tattooed on his back. But this dude had it like legit, Yeah,
like totally ironically, which is my favorite type of tattoo.
I know, alright, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll
be right back, and we're back, and it's time to

(26:09):
check in with the impeachment inquiry. But I'm talking about
in this greep. Oh, it's so smooth breaking news. It
was Dennis Scott. Dennis Scott tattoo of his own. I
can see his face. Yeah, yeah, I can see the
tattoo of his face in my mind. Um, never get
a face tattoo, and not a tattoo on your face.

(26:29):
Don't get a tattoo other face. It never looks like
the person you think it looks like. Yeah, especially if
it's your face, then people can look from your from
immediately they're no missed it. H Well, let's talk about
equally important ship, the dissolution of our republic. And you

(26:50):
know whose fault it is. I'm going to say the
Democrats for just for asking these questions. Why don't they
just shut up and get on board ladder? Happened? So
apparently inside reports are telling us that the President that
this is not h going over well with him. No,
I mean, I mean yeah, I mean, this is about

(27:13):
what I would expect. But we do now have eyewitness
testimony as to what the world inside the White House
has been like over the past couple because Yeah, we've
been predictor of just sort of I guess, pontificating, speculating,
like he's probably just in his own world he doesn't
give a fuck, but he does because at the end
of the day, this involves his ego, so he's fully engaged. Uh.

(27:34):
This is just funny because they just there's this quote
in Political about them talking to some White House as
they say, quote, we're getting fucking killed. Trump often gripes
a complaint about media coverage that is escalating in volume
and frequency. Um and this they're going to say. He
does make that comment literally every day. Um and again.

(27:56):
It's because he sees these people who are like current
aids or administrators or pasted ones and go up there
just fucking lay it all out. Again, we're getting killed
now talking about the Kurdish allies who paying attention to
as the commanders. But I mean we'll get into that later. Um.
The other thing, though, too is predictably he has completely

(28:17):
retreated into Fox News because he will reach up sort
of breaking point of watching the regular coverage. Then he
goes to get his soothing bath of Sean Hannity, lou Dobbs, Tucker, Carlson,
lor Ingram and the like. Um. But then there's this
also thing, this other part two where I think he
only understands what the coverage is because he after he

(28:38):
sees like something come out and CNN, he'll then see
like if other Republicans are defending him or not. But
he also just doesn't get what's happening. So to stay current.
This is from the political article to Stay current on impeachment.
Trump also gets regular in person briefings from different parts
of the White House, including the Council's Office, the Legislative
Affairs Shop in the Press Office, all dealing with their
specific aspects of impeachment. In those briefings, Trump ask questions

(29:00):
like who's up this week? Meaning who is giving depositions?
And what does that mean? Yo mean? What does that mean?
What does he mean for us? That means? Why? What
that mean? Though? What that means? Yeah? I mean, it's
it's it's it's a tough combo where you try and
like pretend nothing's wrong, but also are so obsessed with

(29:23):
it you don't really quite have all the facts, and
then you probably people around be like, no, it's all good,
don't worry about Yeah, that's I mean, when you've been
surrounded by lawyers your whole life, Who are you going
to handle knowing what that means? You know, you're you're
you know, you just kind of float on through life.
But the one thing that he does know what it
means is like news coverage, So he watches that. He
knows it's negative, and he knows we're getting I wonder

(29:47):
what the how, Like what headlines have set him off?
Like we're specifically like we're getting Yeah, I mean, I
feel like mostly he just responds to who snitches on.
I think he's like he operates from a baseline of
like snitches get stitches, and so like he just sees
names that he recognizes, Like Nope, he knows everything. Yea,

(30:10):
he knows everything to ye, but what does that mean?
What does it mean? Does it mean he knows everything?
He really tries to stay I don't I don't know
if he tries, but he stays at the exact like
medium point of understanding of everything. And then he'll like
say something really ignorant, be like a lot of people

(30:30):
don't understand this, but engagement does not involve the fruit peaches,
Like yeah, anytime he says a lot of people don't
know this, but it was like it was something he
didn't know maybe fifteen minutes ago, and then uh he
and then it always just reveals the thing that he
should have known. Well. He just he knows just enough

(30:52):
to know more than the average voter or the average
or person who's disengaged from politics, which is why he's
good at communicating with him, right. Yeah, And those are
the people that are I would say, like a huge
portion of the country who are not really twenty four
hour news media junkies, and so they're all just experiencing
the impeachment through him, which is terrible. That was like,

(31:14):
I remember when I went to Amsterdam once. I went
to the Heichneken Brewery experience and the bartender who was
there giving you free Heineken was like, oh cool, where
are you guys from And I'm like from l A.
And he's like, oh cool, you know like gangster rap
And I was like I was like, yeah, gangster rap
and he was like, oh, can you tell me about it?
And that was one of those moments where like I
know a little bit, yeah, yeah, but I know a

(31:35):
lot more than you. Yeah, And I will get these
free fucking drinks. What I want to know, man, the
bloods and crips, Like, is that always going on? I'm like, yeah, man,
I'll tell you about this ship man. So it was
and two key will like, wow, I think I have
to start back at UH. So the FBI was murdering

(31:57):
a lot of black pants, right exactly. No, It's just
like the fact that Trump uh continues to uh kind
of engage with the media has always been kind of
wild to me because of the fact that like he
doesn't really have to, you know, he has, and it's
almost never helpful. It's never been helpful for him to

(32:17):
just be in front of a helicopter going I don't
know what's going on this is, but he continues to
do it, and like he's the only president I think,
I mean in a while who hasn't like shown up
at the press corps and answered some questions. But he
so he It's and I understood that after I saw
a bunch of these helicopter interviews, because I was just like, yeah,
he's not good at answering questions, but he keeps doing

(32:40):
the helicopter thing, and I'm not really even sure why.
It's just everything he does is such an enigma because
all he does is just say the things he's doing
wrong and getting in trouble for him. The way his
logic works is there will be a point that he
has to provide a counterpoint to, and as long as
he offers that, he can then funk off in his
helicopter ghost and ghost any allow up questions. So I like, well,

(33:01):
this is what I think. Okay, got like we're normally
it would be hot for you because people be like,
well hold on, yeah, let me answer this, and he
can just cut that shut off. When that's true, he
can literally escape in a hell and then in his
mind he's like, well, I said the fucking thing. I
let him know. I feel like will be something that
future presidents takes, like just like jumping in ahead, yeah,

(33:23):
as opposed to like having to send a person out
there who is going to speak and answer for everything
your administration is doing and like allowed detailed questioning. But
this is the this is the slippery slope, right because
on one hand, everyone's like, if he's doing this much incompetently,
what happens when a competent person's willing to use this

(33:45):
playbook and do it like and be like, yeah, I'm
smart as Trump and you know what, I'm not gonna
talk to the president because it's like I'm trying. I'm
at work on some evil ship. Is one of those
little things that you know, we don't miss as like
people who are everyday consumers of the media. It's not
like I'm like, damn it, where did those White House
press briefings go? But but they functioned. They were important

(34:06):
and will be important assuming they ever come back. Yeah,
new norms, dude, we got these new norms, and uh,
next fascist president is going to uh if they're any
good at at thinking with their brain, if their brain
is like in any way has like wrinkled gray matter
where this Republic has done, like because luckily we're dealing

(34:30):
with a smooth brain moron who like doesn't know how
to pull off crimes. But also, I think you think
he's smart, you think he's playing seven dimensionals. No, I
think he's just the exact right kind of uh like
whatever like level of intelligence and like personality disordered for
this moment and this media complex. For sure, for sure,

(34:52):
I mean he definitely is. I mean he's got the
right kind of intelligence to do the things he's doing.
But he's also he's not a active in kind of
like a policy. It's because he doesn't have a vision. No, yeah,
he has no ideology. Everything's reaction. Yeah, but there's no
like end. He's like he's not all building to some step.
It's always been like, how then do I get out

(35:13):
of his brain? Is literally just like forwarding chain emails
to to his mouth and that's all. That's all he says.
Like I'm trying to picture somebody else who can do
the things successfully that he does as a politician, where
like appealed directly to the base just like spout off
and like you know, troll the opposing side and get
them off message. And like none of those people are politicians.

(35:37):
Like it's like Kanye, Like Kanye would be like has
the same personality, but like he's not going to be
a politician. You don't know that he's going He's going
to be a religious leader, is what I was going
to say. Oh yeah, all right, let's talk about the polling,
Democratic polling, because we are exactly one year from the election.

(36:02):
One more year of hell drop the bomb? Yeah, thank you?
So uh A couple of interesting things. So I still
I still follow five thirty eight because they're the best
place to follow like waited combinations of polls. Uh, and
Nate Silver actually has this segment on ABC News called

(36:23):
da by That. Oh, that is one of the most
It's worth watching because of like how uncomfortable he is
on camera. It's kind of incredible, but he saves some
really good nuggets for that because it's like his you know,
audition on give it Away for Free on the website. Right,

(36:46):
So this segment, if you want my numbers, you're gonna
have to deal with my jokes. But I watched this
segment so you don't have to. And Uh, this one
was about sort of this far out a year out,
how have the front runners always one? Have they usually one?
It turns out about half the time the person who's

(37:07):
in first in the polls a year out ends up winning.
But there's some notable exceptions. Uh. Bill Clinton was pulling
at six percent a year out and ended up, you know,
sweeping to power and actually winning the election. Uh, two
thousand and four is a really interesting one that I'll
come back to. Carry was at nine percent. Yeah, Howard

(37:29):
Dean was running ship at that point, exactly. I want
to get I want to get back to that. H
McCain was at well behind Rudy Giuliani in two thousand eight,
and Obama was which was behind Hillary, but that was

(37:52):
more like he was surgery. It was more like Warren
to Biden right now, like he was surging and getting
more of the coverage and was kind of scene as
the more interesting news story. But the Dean scream is
interesting to me because you know, people have gone back
and looked at it, and like in the room, nobody
thought it was weird. It didn't sound weird. It was

(38:14):
just like the way he was Mike made it seem
like he was shouting like really loud because he only
had his voice. No, he was shouting, but he wasn't
shouting loud for the room, like nobody could hear him, basically,
is what. So he was like shouting in a loud room,
but the mic was only picking up his voice. It's
not weird on the news, right. It sounded weird on

(38:35):
the news, And then it just became this thing that
was like, well, his campaign's over and I mean scream,
I mean that is that is one of those amazing
things where you're like, so that was just kind of
an invention of the media to make that a weird thing.
Because even even the news footage I saw that, I
was like, what's I don't know, But up to that
point he was seen as like a populist candidate who

(38:58):
wasn't an actual contender for the presidency by the mainstream media.
I actually worked in the mainstream media at that time,
and I remember them, so we can thank you for this. Yeah, no,
I factured the Dean scream. That was actually my voice
I just put over there. But it's you know, when
the mainstream media, like I, you know, I've just been

(39:20):
kind of inundated with Bernie blindness stuff ever since we
talked about it on air. And it's really like when
the mainstream media doesn't think you have a chance, or
like you don't fit their narrative of you should have
a chance, like they'll one way or another. It's almost
like gravitational that they'll try to pull you down. We've

(39:40):
just never seen this happen in a world where the
mainstream media is not the most powerful voice, or at
least I guess we did see it in two thousand
and sixteen when Trump was seen as like a joke
outsider and yeah, but but they covered him. And that's
the problem, is like this is like so much more insidious,
just kind of just ignoring everything. Bernie is just is

(40:04):
so much more in serious. When he's the front runner,
they will be like Biden fades, like the just will
somehow like managed to leave him out. Yeah, general election,
he wins that Biden still not president, going to plan
a run in four years, just like they love they

(40:24):
love mayor Pete. Yeah, they also loved Betto was their
guys front page of Vanity Fair. Think about that. Another thing.
The other thing that jump the other thing that jumped
out to me is how the people who are also
rans in primaries like completely we forget them immediately, Like

(40:48):
Dean was like this huge movement at this point in
the in the election. Like imagine if Elizabeth Warren people
like don't even remember her name in like a couple
of years. Like that's the level of like people just
forgot about this. Dude, he was like a joke, who's
like this is why? To me, what this is what
makes Bernie's candidacy so much more impressive is the fact that,

(41:11):
like you know, by all accounts, he should have faded
in four years, you know what I mean, Like every
other primary candidate whose last name isn't Clinton, you know,
and uh, instead, he's built a movement that I mean,
I think we'll live on even if he does not

(41:33):
win the presidency. He's awoken an entire he has. And
that's the difference between him and Warren is that like
Warren's like he converts his voters into organizers, like and
not just organizers for him, like organizes activists for all
sorts of causes, Sunrise movement and like, you know, just
a bunch of different causes, whereas like a lot of

(41:54):
you know, Warren supporters and God bless him, they mean well,
but a lot of them just kind of want the
the nightmare to end and want to go back to
normal and not care as well. There's like levels of
what nightmare you want to end? Right, there's the just
want Trump out, the level of the nightmare Biden supporters.
If you're like, well, I want the nightmare to end,
and I also kind of want some like more equity,

(42:15):
and then you have Elizabeth Warrent. And then if your
nightmare is systemic inequality and these other things and much
larger things than Bernie Sanders is your candidate. Because it's
like not even like it's not just that though, like,
we can't just stop at this president being replaced. We
have an entire thing we're up against. But again this
is it's just with with Betto though To, Like you know,

(42:36):
he had a lot of Bernie infrastructure behind and when
during the Senate race, and I think that's the thing
that people at first or like holy shit, this is
like really like he's mobilized something. But that's to the
credit to of a lot of those people on the
ground in text exactly. And this guy is a man
of the people who stands on his own feet. I mean,
he'll just stand on a table people do. He'll stand
wherever he wants to stay. Dude, that early like roll

(43:00):
out when like over a long weekend, I feel like
he was announcing his candidacy and then going around like
speaking to people just in Texas, and it just became
clear that he was standing on like the highest object
in the room. Reminded me of like when Giuliani like
knew that the nine eleven thing worked for him as
a primary and so they were eventually like Rudy Giuliani's

(43:22):
middle name should be nine eleven, and everybody was like,
oh ship, and like it was just like one sick
burn and a debate and his candidacy was over. Well,
that was the thing that hurt him in political They
kind of point out a lot of the things, the
missteps that happened because again she end is like it
was becoming a cash problem to like he just wasn't
people weren't as enthusiastic. Um. They say that like in

(43:44):
the beginning, he just didn't have the infrastructure to like
talk to other like lawmakers or donors and things. So
at certain times they could barely even just like not
return calls to like very important people and help you
get your campaign going. Another one too, was that like
the point out that he had announced his candidacy before
hiring a campaign manager. Really so he just pushed the

(44:07):
boat out by being like, oh not figure it out,
take the boat out, And that was a little a
lot of people are like okay. Then he was saying,
like apparently he was forced to personally apologize to at
least one prominent Iowa Democrat for his lack of organization.
To him, so like even in the states where he
it really mattered for him to start to get his
like his name out there and get build some support,

(44:28):
he just they you know, just couldn't get his ship together. Interesting,
I didn't know. I I kind of figured the rollout
because the rollout seems to me as an outsider, so planned,
like you know, you got the Vanity Fair article, you
got like, you know, it just seemed like he was
being prepped to be a candidate, the same way Pete
just being been prepped since he was at Harvard, you know.

(44:49):
So like that's interesting to know that he just kind
of was like he just went punk rock with it.
I think that in a way, like that's better. That's better.
That's how he rolls. And also think give me a
garage and and a little amp and like a under telecaster.
A lot of Biden's issues are also back to the
fact that like both of them, Betto and Biden, like
we're like deciding whether they wanted to run for a while.

(45:12):
And while they were doing that, everybody was hiring like
all the best talent. Yeah, they were just like Democrat organizers,
and like you know, Betto completely lost his entire infrastructure
back to Bernie, so like two of his two of
his campaign officials who had worked on his Senate run
and Bernie run abruptly left as I started there. I

(45:36):
think so whether that was the culture that he was
perpetuating maybe then being like, yo, you gotta have this
ship in place, and he's like, dude, I'm gonna Suckingnali.
Heel flip over this little first of all, let me
just finish practicing this sweet riff on this guitar right here,
and then we'll get into Because he had he really
did have good charisma. He was able to capture people's attention,

(45:58):
and you know, but I think at the end of
the day, the way this machine works, like he just didn't.
He didn't have those pieces in p or set up
from the success. You're absolutely right. It was the Bernie
organizers who were pushing him. It was like it was
the true of like a lot of different people in
the mid terms. It was like a lot of people

(46:18):
had that you know, Bernie organizers pushing for them to
try to, you know, get more seats in the Senate,
in the House. So like he probably looked at that
and he was like, dude, I always knew I was
dope as fuck. Yeah, And it was like I knew
if I just tried it, and it's like, no, dude,
these people are like they're they're pushing for you because
you do you know, you're way better than Ted Cruzing,

(46:40):
better than a lot of other candidates, but like not
because you are should be president well. And I think
that's the other thing they're pointing to is also just
the outsized expectations after that Senate run, because right after,
in like a hypothetical thing, it was him and Biden
were the favorites, like as presidential But I think then
then you had like Dan Peiffer from Cooking Media, like

(47:00):
like he wrote a piece I was sort of like,
not sense Obama, I've seen something like this. And I
think in that sense, because he had all these other fumbles,
he just wasn't matching up and that made the halt
the fall even harder for him. And they're like, yo,
put this mother up on this pedestal and then it
just you know a little too top heavy. Yeah it's hey,

(47:21):
you know, r I P R I P to a
real one. Uh. And I will say that, like the
great thing about Beato's primary run is that he for
me served as a great contrast too. He was like
good to compare to b because you just watched you.
They both had different forms of how they were going
to be like centrist chills kind of, you know, because

(47:43):
they needed to find their placement. But then you realize, like, oh,
Bo is just better at being a centrist, he's better
at angling's better being a candidate. Yes, exactly, he's a
better politician. Like when you sort of hear him speak,
he's really measured. Yeah, just want to show people what
we can do God, and what we can do is

(48:04):
the status quo. Like if we did nothing, that would
be that would be chill for the billionaire class. Which
is funny because like there was this interview with him,
like on his campaign bus and it's so like I
just saw the backsplash of the kitchen like in the bus,
and I'm like, the money's over here. The dude is
the most a sexual looking motherfucker I've ever seen in

(48:25):
my life. The dude is I just to me, he
is a robot. He is not very much a human person.
I feel like he comes like yep, yep, and yes.
My favorite TV show is whatever is Number one. My
favorite meat is Hamburger, round answers dog, damn yeah hot dog.

(48:57):
Yeah got the job kid. Yeah, it'll be weird when, uh,
you know, if if Buddha Judge wins because presidents age
at such a rapid rate, and he'll probably hit puberty
pretty quickly after a while. White House, and who knows
if we'll like him after his voice change or he
like he starts growing a beard, because like this beard

(49:17):
is pulling really well, that's exactly what will happen. There's
no way he's gonna win. He's pulling at zero percent
with black voters and no one's really ever heard of him. Yeah,
but could you imagine though the TNCs like that. They're like, look,
it can't be fucking Warren or Sanders according to these billionaires.
So let's star the numbers, get mere Pete in there. Yeah,

(49:39):
they will, And that's what they're doing. Well, that's why
you always still see his name in the conversation because
it's almost like, just in case Biden falls apart, there's
this other guy who's sort of the same thing. I'm
not gonna like force people to like give away some
of their money. The boarding, yeah, like actually did a
good job of showing that the whole like Buddha Judge
surge in the polling after that debate performance that everybody

(50:01):
was lauding was actually made up. Basically, it didn't. He
didn't really see. Yeah, he had already been like pulling
well in Iowa because it'sn't spending tons of money. They're
like all along. But yeah, and then in this five
third hit video of Nate Silver on ABC News, like

(50:22):
the most mainstream outlet, he like mentions Budda Judge as
somebody who's like a corollary for Clinton. It's like, huh
so your your producers got your back on the Buddha
Judge train um, and just I just can't stand the dude.
He's nothing but angles, that's all. He is different, and

(50:43):
I think especially to for certain voters and people that
are like very interested in the future of the country,
Like he's not saying the kinds of things that you're like, Okay, wow,
I feel I feel good about a future with this person. Yeah,
he's like he represents like the nihilism of the millennial
generation that like the people who are just the nihilistic
ones who are you know, upper class a little bit

(51:06):
and kind of like are about not really we're believing
in anything as seen as kind of lame and they
don't realize that like that is uh, that there's a
much larger portion of our generation that's like, no, we're
done with the status quo. But he's still like, remember
when things were chill I'd like to go back to
a time when everyone just kind of like there was
a lot of like chillers could do kick back. Well,

(51:29):
if he does get if he does get nominated, I mean,
you guys both have pretty good boot judge impressions, like
I can't I yeah, that's my my SNL audition piece.
Michael's all right, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll

(51:50):
be right back, and we're back. And another the advantages
of being a podcast and not a mainstream media outlet,
in addition to not being pulled in the same direction

(52:12):
as all of them, is we get to just speculate
about unconfirmed bullshit. Yeah. I thought you were going to say,
we get to do swears. Fuck fuck fuck rumors. Yeah,
this is the new section called rumor fock. We're going
to Actually this actually ties back to the whistleblowers. Yeah, um,
actually what the whistleblower schedules. Oh so in the UK

(52:37):
conservative magazine publication, The Spectator, in the u S edition,
they were they were printing some things that, apparently, according
to some of their whisper stories. Again, this is all
this is all based on rumors. But they say a
lawyer that was representing some the whistleblower. Uh, they were
talking amongst like that there's a there are a few clients,

(52:59):
and there was rumored that there's one client who's a
whistle blower who has nothing to do with Ukraine, who's
blowing the whistle on a separate incident. Okay, And this
one is that basically Jared Kushner and Mohammed bin Salmon
have been very cozy and there's yeah, but but the
whistle was being blown because apparently there have been some

(53:20):
kind of measurable receipts going on between the two of them. Uh.
First allegedly allegedly okay, allegedly so essentially that he was
sharing secrets that he would ask the CIA for intel
and then basically hand those off to be members of
the Saudi royal family. And they were you know, this

(53:43):
is they were saying, this is one of the reasons
why his his A security clearance was pulled because they're like,
he's basically just like doing research at the library xerox
and get taking out the library in the hand into
his home. You're doing you're doing snitching, Yeah, a little
little light snitching, little light treason um. And then but
there's more that also that Jared Kushner allegedly allegedly gave

(54:07):
Mohammed bin Salman the green light to arrest Jamala what
and and what's more is that this call, this call
was intercepted by Turkish intelligence and Urdwan then used that
to get as leverage over Trump to get him to
pull out of Syria. Again, these are all alleged rumors.

(54:33):
So you know, immediately the White House like, these are
these the story is quote false nonsense. But they say,
you know, wait, so just I don't know, just so
I guess it doesn't tie back to the original whistleblower
scandal in a sense, because it were not for this,
then they wouldn't speak to the lawyer of that one,
who would say like there might wait. So that means

(54:54):
that so Jared Kushner told Saudi Arabia where they could
find Jamal apparently they already knew, but it was more
like he just I'm not gonna make it hot for you.
He signed off on their arresting, which ended up being
like murder and dismemberment. Dang allegedly. We still we haven't

(55:16):
found the body, but we know, I mean they've basically
admitted yeah, well yeah, we know. Yeah, they didn't admit
that it was Mohammed bin Salman do anything, because you know,
what's interesting about that. I think he did actually kind
of come out and basically confirm his involvement, did he Yeah,
basically like months after it was a front page news. Well,

(55:37):
what's interesting about it is that, like we haven't yet
seen you know, the body parts, right, we don't know,
we don't know for sure. We have some you know,
circumstantial evidence, and the media kind of got together and said, hey,
this looks a lot like this, but still Epstein gets
killed and no one, no one cares. All right, sorry,
I don't want to bring it back to that, but

(55:58):
uh yeah, what like why anyways Jamal Khoje got killed
by Jared Kushner? Essentially? Yeah, because what they're saying. But again,
very messy, very messy, but very believable. Which is why
I'm like, because all these people look like they're just
constantly getting extorted by one another. Um so you know,

(56:19):
well we shall see. Maybe Adam Schiff will will bring
that up. NBS admitted that the killing happened under his watch,
which is a vague statement that means somebody did it.
It means they speding my laptop. But at the very least,
it means that they did it, and it was people
who answered to him, right, and then he just used

(56:40):
them as sacrificial lambs to be read. Oh yeah, I'm sorry.
That was really that was really out. One of them
die in a car accident, like the next day. Was
he doing that? That two wheel thing? Yeah, they love
that that video. They love Carson just two wheels. I
mean there's something about him, the car on its side.

(57:01):
It's and then like dragging your knife out the window
like on the asphalt, like yeah, homie washing, sparking. Hut No,
just just letting you know, cutting the road us and
you know, sharpen this thing up. I'm just saying, you know,
Saudi Royalty, when it comes to things they love, it's uh,
you know, money, and it's also cars on two wheels,

(57:22):
cars the Saudi royal family really well, I think every
just in just in general, like because that isn't a
thing just in Saudi Arabia, like it's all over the
wilding out in sports cars. I mean that was a
whole genre of terrible accident video that used to be
on the internet. Oh yeah, no, I mean maybe a
great way to just have your arm your body. Yeah,

(57:43):
but you gotta look, you gotta do it right. You
can't just you can't just have two wheels out of nowhere.
Early live leak was just those videos. It was, and
it was always like horrific car crash, person thrown out
and taken down websites like that, victims family con dude,
the internet. Let's talk about the new Terminator movie came

(58:08):
out this past weekend and not a lot of people
saw it was number one at the box office and
still not a lot of people and a bomb. Yeah
it was what are we talking here? Thirty million I think.
And that's a little bit of money, right right, that's yeah,
that's a little bit compared to how much they spent
on that. That's probably paid for one third of the marketing. Yeah,

(58:31):
basically everybody is treating this like it is a complete
and total disaster. Well, I mean I didn't want to
see it, No, And why why do you think you
didn't want to see it? Because I'm why do you
think you didn't want to like that? Because I've been
burned by Terminator two exactly. Like after two, there's not

(58:54):
been a good Terminator movie. There's not even been an
okay Terminator movie. I mean a lot of people think
the one with the with that one guy, uh Joel
Edgerton whatever, the guy who was also an avatar. That
guy was Sam Sam. Yeah, Sam, why is gamg Yeah? Yeah,

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Like that movie was bad. They're all bad, and so
I'm not gonna get burned again. I'm tired of it.
And at some point you do just want to the
one where he had open heart surgery at the end
to get a new heart. I remember seeing that. I'm like,
fam there in the desert and there's a helicopter blowing
all this dust. Surgery, you know what's weird. That was
the moment which is actually, like towards the end of

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the film where I think this movie is actually bad.
I was on board until the really unsterile conditions for
open heart. That's when it was over. I was like, no.
The fact that Arnold is an old man, the Terminator,
the original Terminator has aged and grown a beard and
grown like a punch. Is that also? Like when I
saw that in the trailer, I was like, okay, that

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what you're gonna like create some logic. It's going to
be logic. It's it's the fabric that they used to
make me from the cibe in the Big Organism starts
to sag they didn't, they didn't. The shelf live, but
fifty years look like this. Yeah, but I don't know. Yeah,
I mean I had no interest in seeing it. I

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had somebody who wanted to see it on Friday. Uh,
and it was someone who I wanted to hang out with,
and I told him to delete my number and I said, yeah,
I said, I said, listen, I want to hang out
with you, but I don't want to see this movie.
But like, yeah. Scott Mendelssohn from Forbes had a good
part of his report on this. He said the sheer
hubrist to try to convince audiences three times in a

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row to want something that clearly don't want at great expenses,
frankly appalling the quote, this time, folks will bite. Attitude
is what has left theatrical movie going and gray a
peril as streaming and television networks have filled the gap. Yeah, yeah,
you're not wrong. I mean it's just like how many
different way is do you have to say no more terminators. Yeah.

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Like so back at uh when I was running Cracked,
this was something that we actually noticed, like a noticeable
change from early two thousands to like late two thousand's
uh that people stopped giving a ship about anything that
involved technology being scary and right way, Like at first
we could have a successful article that was like you know,

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there's crazy yeah, but then like it just disappeared, like
people just stopped carrying him. Like we we We've released
like some articles with really compelling interesting information, just nobody
gave a ship. I think because technology shifted from being
this like exotic thing, new thing to just being completely

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a part of our lives that we depend on. Do
you think it will come back around though? Because Black
Mirror sort of operated on that same thing, but they
tuned it made it a little more nuanced sense like
hey man, this technology should get out of control, hall yeah,
or sort of like this is the danger if we
like hug it too hard, right, Yeah. I think it's
even that, though, has fallen off a little bit, like

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like New Black, Like there hasn't been a really really
good Black Mirror since maybe two seasons ago. Black Mirrors
being like Incorporated, And I feel like there's black mirror
stuff in the New Watchman, which we'll talk about, I
guess in a future episode, but like there's that feels
like a like there's just all sorts of little pieces
of it that have Yeah, maybe we're past this. Yeah,

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we're just more now looking into it of like what
what what is technolog technology is going with us? And
I mean maybe it's less that we don't fear technology
and more that technology is already fucking our lives. And
it's like in ways that are much more scary, Like yeah,
obviously like Terminator army is scary, but more so it's
like those are gonna guys are gonna take our job,

(01:02:52):
Like like that's but that's a more boring movie. It's like,
what if I'm humiliated for with photos of me like
funked up at a party yacua? Like what if all
of the terminators were just tweeting racial slurs? Like that's
that's what we're really dealing with. That's Yeah, they go
to the Terminators shock and he's like, yeah, it's kind
of got bored. So I've been doing a lot of

(01:03:13):
like Twitter stuff. Um, this is where we spread Jewish
conspiracy theory. And then these are my fully cellphones. I
used to just crush Pokemon gold gold gold farming. Uh yeah,
like oh my god, but yeah, I think they hacked

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into your coin based account. I think it like takes
the mind funk out of it, Like terminators just too
straightforward and like the way technology works with us, like
involves tricking us into not realizing technology is sucking with
us and like making us funk ourselves over. Yeah. Ways,
and it's just so only so many times you can
watch people getting chased by things, right, It's like I

(01:03:55):
get it. Yeah, we're being chased by a knife. Guy.
I'm bored old night hands. We're still scared of dinosaurs.
We still love those because like those haven't like you know,
haven't come back and started tweeting mean things at us. Right.
I wonder what the first one was playing off of,
like cold war fears because of like nuclear explosions. Our

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writer Jam McNab had a pretty interesting analysis of that.
Yeah he was just eight four. Yeah, eighty four was
like cold war stuff. You had this like Eastern European
accented dude who was like coming, coming, coming, I'm coming everywhere,
I'm coming at the gym coming coming. Yeah, like actual thing,

(01:04:38):
he says. Iron that guy, he's another one who always
told us what he was all. Yeah, check out. I
always say that that video of him in Brazil where
you're like he's like this woman showing him around Brazil
like in the early eighties or late seventies, and like
he's like trying to dance with her and he is
just like up on her and it's like okay, well,

(01:04:58):
like yeah, like uh, completely unaware or doesn't care that
he's making the women around him uncomfortable. Like I love
the ass. That was the worst. Yeah, momently a lot
of people. Yeah, he was saying that it was like
the unfeeling, like that it had a lot to do

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with our stereotypes of Russia during the war, that they
were like unfeeling, just very robotic and like technology like
we were, where their technology was ahead of ours. So
you had this like technological monster who had Eastern European
accent was ripped right Eastern up. I don't know Austria.
Austria is very much. Yeah, he had a funny accent. Wow,

(01:05:42):
we're told that to Mozart. I mean, I guess I
don't really know where's Berlin. Wasn't that Eastern uh, like
Cold War? Yeah, and then but no, I don't know geography.
And then it ends with with a nuclear war that
like ends with their main fear at that time. And
and he points out that by the time T two
came out, the war was over. So Schwarzenegger is now

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made into like the good guy and the bad guy
is a cop. He's always dressed as a cop. And
it's like early nineties Ny care And to the point
that the guy who shot the Rodney King video, according
to James Cameron, was actually shooting video for the making
of Terminator Too. It happened right where they were shooting.

(01:06:27):
Wa wait wait, wait what the guy, the guy who
shot the Rodney Kings video, the camp Quarter footage, was
shooting making up thing for Terminator Too at that time. Yeah,
at that time, later across from the bar where Arnold
walks in and like beats the ship. And it happened
while they were shooting that. That's how that video came together,

(01:06:49):
because the Terminator That's a claim that James Cameron makes
that seems yeah, civil Rights actually a pretty good record.
That's like hearing the A Prouder film was actually just
them filming midnight Cowboy or some ship. Yeah right, that's crazy, um,
he said. According to Cameron, the first part of the

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Rodney King tape was footage of them making T two
and the beating happened right across from the bar where
uh where they were shooting that scene. Um, that's the
one that like say, that's a nice bike, right, So
um that that's interesting. So like those both kind of
nailed down political aspects of the time. But I don't

(01:07:33):
I don't know that because this new one has like
different things about having to like the Sarah Connors slash
John Connor's figure in this because it's not that she's
the mom of the Savior. She is the Savior turns
out spoiler alert lives in Mexico, so they have to
like get her across the border. And there's like a
lot of stuff about that order politics and this new one,

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and that didn't save it. Yeah. Well, I mean but
in a nice one like uh probably something or just
like they're pretty ham fisted, like not not subtle like well,
I mean they didn't really market it that way. And
that's where I think the movie really failed in marketing
is like you know, if you want your movie to
do well, just make it woke, and then when it

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doesn't do well, you can be like, wow, yeah, I'm
super problematic. I mean there's like there's definitely some cool
messaging about women characters and like the fact, like that
central fact that it's you know, this Sarah Connor figure. Uh,
Sarah Connor's at first thinks it's like the Mother of
the Savior, but it turns out she is, like is

(01:08:38):
a female empowerment thing. But then Jim our writer Jim
McNabb points out that it's written and directed. It's directed
by a guy and written by six guys. Hell yeah, dude,
so hell yeah a single female what what an achievement.
But honestly, though it was the it was seeing Sarah
Connor be the like main character that got me interest. Said.

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I was like, yeah, I'll check this out. I mean,
but I'm also Glynda Hamilton's do anything. She's watched every
motherfucking Terminator movie since I'm part of that thing, like
maybe this yeah, yeah, you just keep getting tricked. Yeah,
it's like candy corn. Yeah every year, every year. Maybe
it's good this time. Maybe I just eat the white
part for yeah, ye star with the white part and

(01:09:21):
then like not to yellow. I'm feeling it orange. But
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