White Guy Gets Away With Murder (Again), Waterworld Is Real 11.22.21

In episode 1035, Jack and Miles are joined by journalist and host of Very Amusing Carlye Wisel, to discuss America Still A White Supremacist, Violent Shit Scape, With Defund The Police Losing Popularity What’s The Path Forward?, The World Sees A Shitty Offshore Oil Rig Saudi Arabia Sees The Next Disney World and more!

1. America Still A White Supremacist, Violent Shit Scape
2. Black People Formed One of the Largest Militias in the U.S. Now Its Leader Is In Prosecutors’ Crosshairs.
3. With Defund The Police Losing Popularity What’s The Path Forward?
4. Many cities are rethinking the police, but what are the alternatives?
5. The World Sees A Shitty Offshore Oil Rig Saudi Arabia Sees The Next Disney World

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, am welcome to Season to twelve. Episode
one of jis like guys to a production of I
Heart Radio. It is Season to twelve where the players
dwell and this is a podcast where you take a
deep dive into America's share consciousness. It's Monday, November twenty,
which is of course National Cranberry Relish Daybody getting ready

(00:22):
for the Thanksgiving? Does cranberry relish like tie in just
like cran sauce? Cranberry? You know, I don't know. I'm guessing,
but I wish I cared enough. I don't like cranberry sauce,
Like it's one of the things I don't mess with
a Thanksgiving. So I have very low, not much interest.
But I'm guessing it's like the fancy kind that's not

(00:45):
in the can because the camp feels like jelly. But
then when you're like cooking yourself with cranberries and you've
got like some real cranberry fruit meat in there, then
then you're in relish town. Yeah, yeah, I relish a
good blog of cranberry gel used to love that ship.
Just put it on a Deli slicer's window pane. Fin Yeah. Well,

(01:07):
my name is Jack O'Brien, a K, Hey, I just
met you. This might seem shady, but here's my podcast.
Come guessed It? Maybe it makes me tired. We dropped
twice daily, but here's my podcast. Come guess It. Maybe
that is courtesy Johnny Davis. I don't know how he

(01:27):
found out how I reach out to every one of
our guests, but that is in fact, I just reach
out to them and send them a voice memo one
of a few times I use a voice mamo. Just anyways.
I also don't know why it seems shady task somebody
to be on a podcast, but these days, am I right? Anyways?
I'm thrilled to be joined as always buy my co host,

(01:49):
Mr Miles Gray's Miles Grade. Don't have much of an
AK except for the traditional one, which is it's North
Hollywood's very little black and knees experimental visual artists. You
know me as your boy Kausama, Thank you well, Miles Worth.
Thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a
very funny comedian and reporter who, as a lifestyle journalist,

(02:12):
flew across the country to be snubbed by Kim Kardashian
and locked herself inside the Mall of America. But these
days her beat is Disney and Everything theme park, and
her writing has appeared in Vanity, Fair, GQ, wire Cutter, Bloomberg,
GLAMOURU Time, just all the all the ones. Her podcast,
Very Amusing about theme Parks is super fun. Please welcome

(02:34):
the brilliant and talented Carle Wise. Hello, Hello, Hello, I'm
so happy to be here. Thank you for being here.
Where were you're We're on Earth? Are you coming to
us from currently West Hollywood? I thought you're gonna be
inside like the Magic Castle or whatever. I mean. I
was inside the Star Wars Hotel about four days ago.

(02:57):
But yeah, oh it was interesting. We got a very
early preview of it. But I've never been so excited
to not see the sun right right right. I just
want to be all in there for a day and
a half straight, just soaking it up. Oh man, why

(03:19):
do you not see the sun? And by the way,
this does tie back to the co written house thing
because we are saying, na see, but why do you
not see the sun while you are in the Star
Wars Hotel? Because every window looks out onto space. Yeah
what it's a projection? Yeah, so like, yeah, it opens
much first, and we got to see the cabins or

(03:42):
like you know, each hotel room, which I was very
excited to see in real life, and the window. It
is truly like just out into space, and it changes
throughout the day and then at night you push a
button and a little cover goes up like you're really
on a ship and you can sleep on a top bunk.
I'm very good about It's cool. That's like as we
were talking about regressing the other day and I'm like,

(04:03):
that's the only thing I can do right now, is
like I want to put on a costume and pretend
I'm a space worker for however expensive those rooms are
at the moment, but I'll save my money to do it. Right.
Is the experience they're replicating the experience of being on
the Death Star? What do we what are we looking
at here? So? Actually yes and no. So the official

(04:26):
experience is called Star Wars Galactic Star Cruiser. It's a
tonight mix of hotel stay, immersive theater, interactive gameplay, et cetera.
And there's a narrative throughout the journey or your hotel stay,
and at the end there's a finale that involves the
first order. So anything could happen, but there is. I
did spend part of it in the gameplay training at

(04:49):
the bridge and I got to attack some tie fighters,
which was very fun. That's cool. Yeah, alright, well we're
going to get to know you a little bit better.
Just the coolest beat that someone could have. So yeah,
we're gonna talk a little bit more about that. But
first a few of the things we're talking about. America
is still a white supremacist violent shitscape, which we learned

(05:12):
on Friday morning. Remind relearned, reminded Friday morning. We'll look
at where we're at with the defund the police movement
and just what the alternatives are to be that. We
will talk about a new theme park, the Carly. I'm
guessing you will not be going to and like getting

(05:34):
an early look at, but I could I could be
wrong about that. It's called the Rig. Oh wait till
you hear all about it. It's in Saudi Arabia. It's
part of Saudi Arabia's rebranding effort, which is fun. Before
we get to any of that, ship, Carly, we do
like to ask our guests, what is something from your
search history so related? All of it was Star Wars

(05:56):
terms that I was spell checking, except for who is
that defense attorney on SVU. I don't know why I
thought Google would know which one I was talking about,
But I have been. I mean, I've been mainlining Law
and Order SVU for the past two issued weeks, to
the point where I will watch anywhere between four and
ten episodes a day. I can't get enough. I know,

(06:18):
I'd never really seen it. I thought I didn't like violence.
Apparently I do only when Mariska Harget is there. It's
basically like my my new personality, hobby and job all
in one. Yeah. So are you're late to the SVU part?
I feel like SVU is Have you always been messing
with sv You know, I'm literally five hundred episodes late.

(06:39):
I don't know what happened. Wow, Yeah, because I feel
like that. It's interesting to hear people like I'm just
getting into SVU where most people like, Man, I'll like,
SVU has been my number one forever that I don't
talk about. But you know, I think part of it
might be because lately, when you binge watched a show,
if they dumped the whole thing at once, you know,
you spend a Saturday night and then it's over this

(06:59):
never it it's bodyless, and I just keep going and
going and going, and I'm I'm still like seasons away.
It's still in the modern era of it where it's
just I can't I can't stop consuming it. Have you
been to the immersive SVU experience at six Flags? I
honestly don't know if that's a joke or not, if
it's real party through right, actually like a scene. Yeah,

(07:28):
I just want to go in their office, right, Yeah,
it feels like an installation. You'd have it like a
Halloween Horror Nights or something where it's like, oh, do
a crime scene with the people that VU or like
C s I or some ship like that. But I
guess not. Oh I wish, Oh how I wish. I
also love though two. I mean I've I've watched it
here and there, but never you know, to the point

(07:50):
where you know they're definitely fans of the show. But
I also like the idea of you know, when you
get into it and you're like, I like this show
and you're like, there's only three seasons, whereas you're looking
at your like there's hundreds of episodes that I've yet
to even begun to experience. So let this long. May
it last for you? Thank you. I know there's definitely
some deep seated psychological reason where I'm like, it'll never

(08:10):
run out, it will never abandon me like my other
favorite shows. But at least for now, I just love
it because in every episode there's about thirty seconds where
they reference being actual people that exist in New York City.
Well they'll like get a coffee at a coffee cart,
or they'll be like, come on, we'll go make dinner.
And I think I'm just living for that, Like the
moments in my brain that I can piece together to

(08:32):
make a sort of SPU sitcom. I think that's really
d with the joy lines, like that's the best, the
best part of the show. Yeah, yeah, I have some
SPU slash fix that I can send your way. It's
but it's all just about them living very boring, ordinary
lives and between the crimes, it's like they're like, yeah,
they're like roommates. They have a lot. They could be

(08:53):
talking about the most interesting stuff when they get home,
like what happened at work today, and there's like nothing,
like you want to watch Lost or something. They're like, yeah, okay,
it's called fu days off, just their days off going
to the met They're like, actually, if you treat New
York like you're a tourist in your own town, that's
really nice. We should try that. Hellal guy's car. What

(09:17):
what something you think is overrated? Okay, I don't know
if it's technically counts, but only having trees in your
house during Christmas? So as as a Jewish person, I
did not know until our year twenties twenty that you
have to keep them in water to keep them alive.
I didn't realize there was this whole gambit happening where
you take a tree and it's slowly dying, and then

(09:38):
you put it in your house. And I kind of
want I want to be in this. I want a
fresh tree in my home. And it's only appropriate during
Christmas time? Why not you around? Yeah? Multiple Like, if
I'm allowed to buy flowers, why can't I buy a
tree in March? Just to make things feel more outdoorsy? Right? Yeah?

(10:01):
Oh my gosh, man, it's I love a Christmas tree
and I've always been. I only recently switched to the
fake ones to reuse every year because I am also
like a big like symmetry shape kind of fanatic. So
when I go to the tree lot and I'm like,
a hundred dollars for this lopsided miss if you're and
then you're like, oh, this one is the same height

(10:23):
just because it looks better, it's fifty dollars more. This
is nonsense. But I've moved to the fake tree version.
But there's something about having the real life tree that
it's there's like there are set sickles and things you
can hang off a fake tree to make it sort
of smell like you have the real thing, but having
the real thing is definitely uh, it's a journey. But

(10:43):
also like the when the needles start coming off and
then you're like, I got this old dead tree, I
gotta do it. There's I don't know, I'm I'm all
over the place with trees, but I love the idea. Yeah,
and by the by the end of the holiday season,
I've yet to figure out. I think I did, like
have something I did wrong last year that if I

(11:04):
was a better host, I would remember and tell people
to avoid doing that this year. But like it basically
I sealed off the bottom of the tree, so even
though it was in water, it just immediately became like
the most brittle thing in the world. And you know,
a like I probably would have been fined by the
the l A Fire Department if they had like known

(11:27):
how dry the tree was that we were keeping in
our house. The one time we tried to do the
fake tree, the smell sickles, the scent sickles weren't great.
Have they improved that? I mean, Anna has she she
has like a fake tree she uses so she she
got me using them and they're fine, right, like okay,

(11:47):
but you know what it is, nothing compares to the
A scent sickle is like a little thing you can
hang off your fake tree. That's like an odor that's
like a fucking tree freshener. Basically, it's just, you know,
it's just emitting this scent of real pine tree for
your fake for the fake tree havers out there. I mean,
is everyone bad at marketing? Like why isn't there a

(12:09):
cheerry blossom seasoned version of this? Why why can't I
have a tree in my house? Yeah? Yeah? Oh, actually right,
because you you're saying you would even just love just
ambiently that smell of nature just rushing through the house. Yeah,
And it's apparently like only appropriate if you celebrate a
certain holiday. Yeah, okay, right, see, let's bring yes, let's
bring the trees back into the home. Yeah please? Now,

(12:32):
does anybody like put keep the tree alive like the
Christmas tree? I guess it would have to be like
a small Christmas tree, right to like have have it
potted essentially? Yeah, I mean without roots. I mean yeah,
you know, as I found out as a kid, water
in it and then it's just like no, sorry, it's

(12:53):
not going to live for that long. Yeah. What is
something you think is underrated? I feel very strongly about this,
and I don't know why lately it's really risen up
as a topic for me. But indoor pools. I love
an indoor pool and everyone thinks they're gross, But do
you know how nice it would be to just have
one in the winter and have a pool party, or

(13:13):
just be able to go down a slide in the
middle of the workday without leaving your house. I love him,
and I wish people built them more. I wish it
was more of a normal thing you could go and do.
I feel like in Florida and stuff, people have like
it's normal there. I've seen that kind of but it's
always I mean, weatherwise, it's almost always a healthscape in Florida,
So you don't really get that, you know, a secret

(13:35):
indoor winter swim people do. I mean, weren't we when
we stayed in Atlanta, Jack, like a couple of years ago.
Wasn't there an indoor pool at that hotel we were at? Oh? Yeah,
it was like a courtyard Marriott with the courtyard. Yeah,
it was like the centerpiece of the hotel was an
indoor pool. It's weird that you say, like people think

(13:57):
it's gross, because I'm like, yeah, maybe, but I'm like, no,
I don't think it's it's I think it's just like
when you're in there, you just smell all the chlorine inside,
and then you just feel like you're in like a
like a Y M C A or something. But no, no,
And so that's what I'm saying, Like, I don't know
if it's necessarily dirty. I mean, it's the same chemicals
in there that just that there's no open air. So
I guess that's what gets me. It's just a very

(14:17):
specific smell that I associate with old men's balls because
that's typically what I had just seen anytime i've smelled it. Yeah,
just that like when when you go from the locker
room which has very specific like scent to you open
the door and like all that hot pool air hits
you in the face. That is Yeah, that is locked

(14:38):
in to the deepest parts of my brain. I do.
I agree with you. I love an indoor pool. I
don't know, like I don't know how feasible they are
in homes, but I do love a hotel with an
indoor pool. Like there was a community center at the
University of Missouri when my wife and I lived there
that had like just a wild like indoor pool complex

(15:00):
that I would just go hang out at, like I
was like a kid at a water park, you know. Yeah.
It was in Japan, in Tokyo they have used to
have it. I think it was called Wild Blue and
it was an indoor water park with a wave pool
and ship, which is wild because like in the summer,
Japan gets like plenty hot that you don't need to

(15:21):
indoor if I fucking ship. But this was like one
of those again, it was so big. It's still also
just had that that distinct smell of chlorine emanating throughout. Yeah.
I don't know why. Yeah, I'm back on board with
indoor everything. Thanks you. I mean, we have tons of
indoor water parks in America, which I go to a lot,
which I get some grief for. Oh there. Well, for

(15:45):
my birthday, I went to New York and I went
to the dream Works water Park, which is an American
dream that formerly known as Zanna Do. If anybody is
of my age, it's this mall that was just kind
of cursed forever and now it's actually open and they
have this huge, this huge Shrek balloon in the middle
and Shrek themed water slides, and yeah, I do a

(16:07):
month long podcast dedication to Shrek called Shrek Szember because
he is arguably Jewish and we need more Jewish characters
in the theme park. So I'm I'm going all in
on Shrek, celebrating Hanukahn, praying for it. Yes, because Shrek
is a Yiddish word, and it's it's based on a
book by this guy, William Stagg, and it's kind of

(16:28):
an allegory for like Jews, and I believe the eighteen
hundreds his parents are immigrants. Like there's a lot of
evidence that this dude should be lighting a menora, and
yet he does it, so for research quote unquote, I
went to the indoor Shrek water park and had a
last it was great. Okay, wow, yeah, what's the best
indoor water park in America? That like as as the

(16:51):
expert on the subject. So it's less the specific water park,
it's more a city. I would go to Wisconsin Dells,
which is my favorite place on the planet save for
Tokyo probably, and it is essentially Vegas for children. And
there are maybe half a dozen hotels there that have
indoor water parks. There's one called Wilderness which has multiple

(17:12):
They have swim up bars that you know, wintertime in
Wisconsin it is cold, and so you can swim up
to a bar and have a drink. And then they
have a hot tub where you can go indoor outdoor,
so you can go outside for a second and come
back in just like a doggie door, but for humans
while in water. And they have a ton of slides.
There's also a place called calla harri Uh. It's just
it's endless. If you want to go on a water

(17:34):
slide in winter, Wisconsin Dolls is the spot I didn't
even realize, Like, yeah, when you search it, it's like
the whole map like lights up with water Park. Clearly
that's where I spent my formative years. Wow, you so
you grew up in Wisconsin. I grew up in Chicago.
But when you're landlocked instead of you know, flying to

(17:55):
a coast, it's like, let's drive two hours to this
weird children's paradise, right right, right, that sounds awesome. Super
producer Justin also from Chicago, has several memories from the
Dell's Great Wolf Lodge memories. But that that's interesting. I
want like, do you think growing up within driving distance

(18:17):
of a place like that kind of sent you down
this path of being a theme park enthusiast nay journalist.
It's interesting because I got my start reporting on theme
parks when I went So I went to Disney World
from my batchel the Red Party, which was about seven
years ago. And the reason I went to disney World

(18:37):
was because I decided there wasn't enough to do in
Wisconsin in February. So because I love Wisconsin Dells so much,
that's the only reason I wound up at disney World.
And now this is my whole life is reporting on
Disney So I think the seeds were always there. I'm
just you know, I just like to have a good time.
I like to be entertained. I like to eat really

(19:00):
shitty nachos, like I just want cheese, sauce and water
slides and to run around until I'm exhausted. And there
are a few places in the world that allow you
to do that and wipe nacho cheese on your bathing
because I'm about to just go on this side and
it's gonna be fucking gone by the time I'm at
the bottom. All right, let's take a quick break and

(19:21):
we'll come back and I'll talk more about Wisconsin. Unfortunately,
and we're back, uh, Like we set up top America
still a white supremacist, violent shit escape. You know, we

(19:44):
had a sense that Rittenhouse was going to be found
not guilty, but it doesn't face on years of just
observing the American legal system sadly, Yeah, but it didn't
feel any less like a you know, sickening gut punch
to hear them read not guilty five times as this
little pig face Nazi youth sits there and like pretends

(20:08):
to faint. But yeah, I mean, these are American values.
Like if you needed any evidence that we should be
fighting to teach critical race theory as hard as they're
fighting against it. Like here you go, American police started
as a slave patrol. But you don't need to see
that they have roots in white supremist vigilante violence because

(20:31):
we still allow what supremacist vigilantes to just like police
and ultimately murder people in the interest of that ideology.
So I mean, this is you know, this is a
turning point for sure, because you're now we've legally essentially
set a precedent that you can bring you can bring

(20:52):
a weapon with you in a situation where you're there
to like protect whatever but property properly, even if you
cause a commotion by being armed. You are then now
it's legal for you to defend yourself even though you've
come with provocation in mind. And I think that's that's
going to create a huge schilling factor for people when

(21:15):
they want to go protests. And some people think that's
something people will have to consider now when they're in
the streets protesting, because now you have said, you know, legally, yeah,
if you feel scared enough, then go ahead and start clapping,
and you know, maybe you'll get off based on the
complexion of your skin. And you know, there's a lot
of things we're seeing too. This is now sort of
like more and more you're moving into that phase where

(21:38):
the right wing violence is now sort of blending more
and more with law enforcement and sort of not understanding
where the lines are with who is going to enforce
what anymore, because we're damnster seeing what the police will
turn their head and look away from and allow to happen.
But we're now like, fully, it seems like more and
more we're going to be seeing this, you know, connect

(22:00):
in between the police and and sort of outsourcing the
violence to these other people now because it used to
be the police that were sort of the ones on
the front sort of brutalizing protesters, but vigilantes can now
act as their agents. Yeah, he was pictured with a
bunch of Nazis like given the thumbs up and celebrating

(22:20):
in between, Like when he was leading up to trial.
Black Rifle Coffee was like, we're not associated with him.
Black Rifle Coffee, which is itself like a right wing
gun coffee company, was like, hey, don't don't be ware
and are we didn't give him any of that ship,
don't don't don't mind us, But you know, a lot

(22:40):
of people are pointing rightly, pointing to the contrast between
how the police treat unarmed black children verus how they
treated a armed with an assault rifle white kid who
had just murdered two people. Another instructive comparison as the
story of the Not Fucking Around Coalition, which is an
armed group that is dedicated to protecting black lives from
police brutality. Just the idea of arming black citizens, who,

(23:05):
by the way, I have way more reason to need
to be armed for like self defense and preservation of
life than Kyle Rittenhouse, who was avowedly there to protect property.
He was there to protect like looting or whatever the
fucking inanimate objects. Yeah, whatever their fantasy is. But they,
you know, since kind of coming together during the Black

(23:27):
Lives Matter movement, of the Not Fucking Around Coalition has
been targeted as an extremist group. Their leader has been
arrested and charged with pointing a gun at police, for
which he faces three to twenty seven years in prison.
He's currently not allowed to possess a gun or access
social media while he awaits trial. Because these are American values.

(23:52):
This isn't like, that's what's so enraging about this is
That was the point. The point of the Kyle Writtenhouse
trial was getting him to like be buddy buddy with
the judge so everybody could see that, to see like, no,
this is what we condone, and like this other thing
is what we don't condone. The I mean more more

(24:14):
than that, I think the verdict, you know, because I
see a lot I mean on the right people like
where where's black lives matter here? At these things white
people that got killed by Kyle Rottenhouse, and like they're like,
this is the thing. You don't understand that this person
was there in service of white supremacy. And what this
verdict is really saying, it's it's it's it's trying to
erode solidarity. You know, because a lot of people began

(24:37):
to understand, not that's not enough, but many people in
this country said, you know what, yeah this is bad
and I should actually stand, you know with these people
who are oppressed and use my privilege as a way
to maybe try and change things, maybe better things. And
I would like to be an ally to this movement.
But what this is showing you too, is it's showing

(24:58):
that even white people who are considering ally ship that
your whiteness will not protect you if you are standing
in direct opposition to white supremacy, because at that point,
you it's your Your life is just as disposable as
a person of colors. And for many people looking at this,
it's just it. I can only imagine what what kind

(25:20):
of what the subtext or what how other people are
reading into it. But from my perspective, it's clear to
see that this is definitely made to also send a
warning shot across people who are saying, you know what,
if you're on that side, just so you know, it's
the rules will be different, and you know, and and again,
this legal system has done its job because, just like

(25:40):
we said in that summer right, white supremacy is a
living organism that has to survive no matter what. It
finds ways to survive. It's not just simply saying like,
all right, we've legislated against it, it's over. Because the
second there's mass public action that is kind of showing
up and brewing against it, it's going to find these

(26:01):
ways to reinforce the message that these public actions are
not powerful enough to topple this. Because inherent to all
of this is a legal system that is meant to
justify and rationalize all of this violence and using it's
perceived impartiality as a legal system quote unquote to again
say no, no, no, there's ways that we can make

(26:23):
this work, especially if, like Kyle Rittenhouse, you're there in
service of white supremacy or property rights or however somebody
wants to spend. Yeah, And so, I mean this is
especially frustrating because it seems like, you know, at the moment,
the defund the police movement has been losing popularity. They

(26:44):
lost a big battle in Minneapolis where they voted to
keep the existing police force. And as we talked about
last month, there's sort of a mainstream narrative that is
tying the rise in violent crime and murder to police defunding,
even though nobody actually defunded the police to a degree

(27:08):
that they were like crippled. And what happened as police
budgets got minor cuts from absurd heights, well they got
three less bazookas, right, and you know that kept them
from being armed like Navy seals to police their communities.
And the main thing that happened was the police basically
quit on their communities for daring to criticize them and

(27:29):
I also think there's probably a breakdown in the public
trust and police, as it's revealed that police are both
you know, continuing to be armed, willing to use deadly force,
and extremely bad at their job. So I I don't
think that's helpful. But the solutions seemed to be defund

(27:49):
the police, which was interpreted by the mainstream media as like, away, yeah,
police gone forever and one one won't work anymore, Yeah,
and then double down on a system of militarized fuko
boomerang police force that like is just basically occupying forces

(28:09):
being in American cities and in neighborhoods that they don't
live in, but that are in American cities and where
they are willing to use deadly force. Like that's being
treated as like, well, it's either no police or we
keep doubling down on this fucking nightmare scenario. So I
did just want to like take a second to like

(28:31):
check in with what defunding the police could actually look
like a lot of people are treating it like it's
a branding thing, and I don't know, like that's I
think frustrating. I mean, it's not that it's a branding thing,
but people and Americans again, because of the amount of
propaganda we consume throughout our lifetimes, we're we're we're just

(28:55):
still so invested in these cruel systems, and we're at
this point where we can acknowledge the cruelty of the systems,
but not quite able to articulate the way past it
or through it. You know, Like everyone goes, damn man, ship.
This seems like even especially as it relates to that
right now, to like labor, right, everyone's like, man, this
is sucked up. Like people are just like, yeah, now

(29:16):
that I think about it, this is fucked up. But
we're sort of because there's so much other messaging that
is gonna, you know, keep away, things like giving people
the imagination on how to make something better for themselves,
whether that's through collective bargaining or through withhold, you know,
because they're now people organically with holding their labor. There's
just there's a difficulty in articulating to say, yes, this

(29:39):
is fucked up. The thing we need to do is X.
We're just not there's not enough Americans who are able
to get to that part. Many people are just at
the part who are like, yes, this is fucked up.
You're right this is sucked up. The police just I'm
actually just realized, Yeah, it does seem like the police
just go after people of color and they're not punished
for it because we have things like qualified immunity. That's

(30:00):
fucked up. Now what? And I think the first thing
that people that was brought to the table in terms
of like the vocabulary to use was defund the police,
because that was more acknowledging the fact the injustice of
what our law enforcement system is like that this cannot
we cannot abide anymore. And because it was co opted

(30:20):
to just mean the end of all public safety, that
can immediately just put a chilling effect on things and
people were unable to Again, we need to be able
to pivot to yes, it's fucked up, and we need
to move towards this. And if we're always stuck at
things are fucked up, it's very hard to begin organizing
around certain things. And and like you're saying, you have

(30:41):
some people who are really talking about completely changing what
it means to have like law enforcement and what public
safety is and the people who can be involved or
the specialties that we need for that. But I don't know,
I feel like everything kind of keeps evolving in this
way that it's it's just become very difficult to kind
of escape or not escape, but to keep telling people

(31:03):
that it's not merely just saying the end of your safety,
that we have to actually there are other ways to
keep people safe, and on paper, the cops aren't doing
a good job. I think it has to be compounded
by the fact too, that it lately it feels like
every sphere of society is just fucked, just everything, especially

(31:23):
that we are we're still in a pandemic. It doesn't
seem like it's ending anytime soon. I read something there's
another strain coming, like we're just in this and you
can't even count on someone to wear a mask, to
try not to actively kill you, to get a vaccine
for the better the community. It just seems like there's
such a divide in in such a deep, deep way

(31:45):
that it really is everything that needs to change requires teamwork,
and there's so many people who just don't give a
ship that it feels like at times, like an impossible
mountain to climb. Yeah, And I think and that's by
design to you know, like I think, to to help
people feel so the sense of despair or like lack

(32:06):
of control over anything can easily put just put people
into this new thing about saying, well, the solution isn't
gonna be how am I gonna work with other people?
The solution is fucking get your house in order and
figure out how you're gonna weather this without the help
of anyone. Because I think that's the message that's reflected
to people by society and the government at large. It's
just like you're on your own mother. I feel like, yeah,

(32:29):
I feel like that's exactly like rather than you know,
being like, well, if only these people would vote for
like what is good for them, Like I feel like
that's where a lot of it ends, is like these
people are idiots. Like I think a lot of the
problems come from the fact that everybody in America's existing
in a society where if you don't have enough money,

(32:52):
you that will let you die. Like that's that's just
like it's a cruel, cold, fucking world. And it's also
you know, we're being stripped of our humanity by capitalism
and by just like being you know, turned into values
on a on a spreadsheet. And I think that's like
been a long, slow process, and people are fucking beat

(33:13):
down from it. So there's this Rice University article that
kind of takes a look at where alternatives to policing
should be focused on the first categories health, you know,
like mental health and drug abuse resources. The vast majority
of patrol police over in Seattle address multiple people in

(33:35):
mental health crisis every month, Like that's that is the
main thing. Like I I was dropping my kids off
at school on Friday morning, drove past someone who's clearly
in having a mental health crisis, and my only recourse
like was to call nine one one basically, or like

(33:58):
stop and do something about it myself, because I don't
know what, like what are the mental health like authorities?
And if I call nine one one for help, a
person who is scared is gonna with a gun is
going to show up. Like that's what the police have
the ability to do, is like use a gun. So
that's how they solve the problem. Yeah, And you know

(34:20):
this is like everything that the police are there for. Again,
they're there to clean up the failures of this capitalist
system that we're in. We have mental health problems because
we will not take care of people with mental health problems,
will not take care of people who need interventions for
their drug abuse or need to go into a treatment program.

(34:42):
So we allow that to fester and it turns into
someone on the street acting out and people go, oh
my god, I can't know this person is doing something.
I gotta call the police to get them away from me.
When really that's because we failed to take care of somebody.
You look again, we talk about crimes of desperation, survival
crime like theft in shoplifting and ship like that. That's

(35:03):
not that's not because they're fucking Tony Soprano, because they
just they just stole a bunch of en famil. That's
not what the funk is going on. It's because people
have been failed. People have we have failed to take
care of each other. We have failed to create or
provide sustenance or the materials needed to survive. So people
are left to their own devices and have to go

(35:24):
out and survive. And that's where the police come in
because we've criminalized needing help. We've criminalized being vulnerable, we've
criminalized being poor. And then but what we've created, but
we've completely obscured this dynamic through this lens of law
enforcement and the good guys and the bad guys in

(35:44):
this binary that that's all it is, rather than no, no, no,
This is most of us are being brutalized by the
same people and for the same reasons because we're not
getting what we need to survive. Yeah, I feel like
so one of the you know, examples that we've talked
about before on this show, the Rice University article talks

(36:06):
about is Cahoots, which is the Cornalie named Eugene, Oregon
organization that started as just a thing to like help
people who are having bad trips essentially, and has developed into,
you know, a very continually useful alternative to the police
that can come and help somebody who is having a

(36:27):
mental health crisis. And a lot of times their job
is to just be a person who can do whatever
is required at the time. You don't need like special training.
It just seems like there's so many fucking jobs that
could be created by supplementing the police with people who
don't fucking murder people, Like, like, how about how about

(36:49):
we try that just create a police of people who
actually live in the communities and are there to solve
problems instead of like treat people like enemy cabatants, Right,
And you know, there have been examples of this with
people who are there to help with relationship crises domestic violence,
which you know a lot of times people who are

(37:11):
engaging in domestic violence, you know, move on to other
violent crimes, but it certainly doesn't help that the thing
they're met with when they first engaged with in domestic
violence is somebody pointing a gun at them, and that's
the only it's either like funneled towards prison or like
figure it out yourself, you know, no mental health resources,

(37:33):
not no relationship resources. And the other just community patrol
in America has traditionally been fucking Kyle Rittenhouse and George
Zimmerman and people like that, where you know, people armed
white people who are racist thinking that they need to
you know, just basically playing police officer, and like there's

(37:56):
that needs to be supplemented with some you know, the
Black Panthers were there to police the police, and they
were treated like a violent, fucking extremist organization, which is
all you need to know about the difference in how
America approaches these things. But that's another option that is

(38:17):
probably the least tested, but the one that absolutely needs
to be pursued more than it has to this point. Yuh,
just thinking about you know, like the whole thing that
by America being so intentionally cruel, and that's sort of
like the the sort of foundation that like life is

(38:39):
built on and keeping people most people, you know, like
in a place where they feel like, well, my only
thing that I have is to survive because I'm not
looking at it. I'm not looking at many things that
will help me. Granted there are some, there are social
safety nets out there, but in general, the messages if
you don't like, if you don't have of, then you

(39:00):
will continue to lack and then you will expire. And
I think it puts people. It helps always keep people
divided because of that, because if you're always acknowledging that
you're in this survival situation, altruism doesn't make sense all
the time because you're already accepting that you're in a
you're in a situation where surviving is number one. And

(39:22):
if that's the case, it's you know, for lack of
a better metaphor, it's like looking like the squid Game
Marbles episode where suddenly when it's time to survive, you'll
do whatever the funk you have to do. That's just
human nature. And and and it's such a elegant way
to continue to keep people from being able to group together,

(39:43):
to organize together, because we're too busy fucking dealing with
the chaos of like the cruel reality that we're in
all the time. Yeah, and I feel like the fact
that there aren't all these jobs like there people recognize
their community, these are fucked they recognize that, like there

(40:04):
is work to be done there. The fact that those
jobs aren't created yet, I feel like it's like a
hangover from a previous time when people like weren't didn't
give a funk about their communities. And you know, I
don't know, like it just feels like this is a
problem that could be addressed if people just act locally.

(40:24):
And Yeah, I don't know, there there are the people,
there is the will to do things to help. I mean,
most people were probably are probably better at I mean,
I would say every person who lives in a neighborhood
is will be better at policing their neighborhood than the
fucking police. Yeah, where you live, you know who the
fuck you literally, you know who's in your community. Say,

(40:46):
oh that Britain, I don't worry about them, They're kind
of going through it. Yeah, that's I know them. There
there's more, there's more context to who this person is
rather than a call saying someone is bacting belligerent and
is you know, threatening people the shopping art or something,
because like you're saying, we're people were not weren't the
things aren't of our communities anymore? And yeah, I mean

(41:09):
it just I just think of how much even like
where I grew up, I knew so much about my neighborhood.
I knew so much about people who I saw. I
saw the same regular un housed people all the time,
to the point where like I knew what the funk
they were like im like, I knew what they were
gonna ask me for, I knew what their whole rap was.
And it's and you understand, you're at that point you
actually have a better idea of like what is a threat?

(41:31):
What is a danger to to you, your safety or
the community at large. But anyway, maybe we'll begin to
have a reckoning one day in America, but we've been
reckoning free since fucking whenever. You want to put a
date to it. All right, let's take a quick break.
We'll come back, and we're back and we just met

(42:02):
the break getting ourselves in the proper headspace for this
conversation by watching a preview clip of The Rig, which
is a oil rig in Saudi Arabia that has been
converted into an amusement park. The trailer for it, I
guess was, you know, set to thumping uh E d

(42:24):
M music. And I don't know, Carly, You're you're the
you're the expert here. What what? What are we looking
at here? That we're looking at the first ten minutes
of a horror film? For sure? Nothing good is happening there.
And the thing is, there's this very fine line between
theme park and amusement park, where theme parks are holistically
designed to kind of transport you to another universe, you know,

(42:48):
something like fantasy Land or tomorrow Land. It's supposed to
bring in story and narrative and characters really flesh out
and experience beyond just sitting in a ride vehicle. Amusement
parks are more focused on individual attractions. Sometimes they have themings,
sometimes they don't. This is not a pleasing place to
look at or visit. I don't care how long that
water slide looks. I don't want to be anywhere near

(43:10):
that nightmare. Don't like it just looks bleak and sad
and scary, and the setting just adds to the lower Yeah,
I hate it. You look at an overhead shot of
this and it looks like a amusement park from water World,
Like it looks like it's been built out of garbage
that previous right, and you all like you all pray

(43:34):
to the guy who was the captain of the Axon
Valdis like the smokers did in water World. But yeah,
and I just want to say this. You're right, it's
not an amusement park or a theme park because, as
the Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund calls it, this is
a quote oil themed extreme park. I'm sorry, oil oil. Yes,
this is in the press. The ring will be an

(43:56):
oil the Indo Extreme Park, spanning a total area of
more than one square meters in sitting at top of
converted oil rig in the Arabian Gulf. And I'm just
gonna give just for people have a little more understanding
of like what we're talking about here. So they've converted
this rig right to have play hosted extreme sports, hellapads
quote a range of adventurous activities. They'll be rolling. There's
a roller coaster we saw that was like built into

(44:17):
the ringing rigging. They'll be skydiving. There's three hotels with
over eight hundred rooms, eleven restaurants, and one that is
under the water. There's so many ways to die here. Like,
I don't I don't know why this is appealing to anyone. Yeah,
it's through like the way it looked Jack, like you
said water wheel, because it all has like that patina,
like that sea rust look to it, and I feel like, yo,

(44:40):
the second you step on there, like you're getting tetans, right,
that's like that just feels like the energy that's it's
like that it's emitting. Even though it looks cool. I
guess to fix a ferris wheel to the side of
the fucking thing. The I am in on this, by
the way, I want to go here. This looks and book.
Look they're already paid, they already there. They got to him.

(45:02):
He's doing pr he's doing a junk. Get out there.
It looks terrifying. But like, if you're going to go
on a scary roller coaster, why not have it like
weaving through the you know, webbed like rebar of a
dilapidated oil rig that like is groaning under the weight
of all this all these rides that they've put on it.

(45:24):
Like there's no way that thing is not making noises
as it's like just creaking right the debut weekend, opening weekend,
There'll be an accident. Right. This thing looks like the
Santa Monica pere in the your Like it just looks
like this is the last thing you see before Earth
ceases to exist, right, and like it's just this weird

(45:45):
mind like just okay, like just looking at all the
fucking layers of this whole thing, right, because first Saudi
Arabia just to get into it, their whole thing is
right now, they are trying to completely rebrand because they're
trying to get away from they're trying to get away
from headlines like Mohammed been Salmon is like killing children
and Yemen or extra judicially assassinating people and foreign embassies

(46:08):
to more stuff like holy Ship, Saudi Arabia built the
coolest theme park you know, like that is there. It's
all part of this sort of reputation washing scheme that's
been going on very aggressively the last ten years, especially
like now they just bought Newcastle United the football the
soccer team in in the UK and caused a huge

(46:28):
like people were like, what the funk were You're literally
just gonna allow the like Saudi Arabian government to just
buy this like story team just to wash their reputation
with like the glory that you know they'll bring with
their money to this club. And then even like when
Trump went into office, we knew about how like American
media and David Pecker and those guys at the National
Enquirer were like doing all kinds of like these slick

(46:50):
like magazines out of nowhere about Mohammed been Salmon or
being like is Saudi Arabia the new dude bai? And
you're like, huh is it? I feel like they're are
a bunch of influencers who went there to either fashion
or something along those lines where everyone's like, I'm sorry,
what are you posting like for a fun little trip?
Is this bad? It's funny how those people were like,

(47:12):
I didn't know. I just thought it was also don't
go there on a junket please, Yeah, And I think
so there's that, right, there's this reputation washing scheme which
this is all in service of because they want to
become a new tourist destination by the by, and then
you have like the idea of like a decommissioned oil
rig which is like the source of all of like

(47:33):
our earthly problems like with fossil fuel extraction, and then
mapping on top of that like a place to be like, hey,
this old skeleton, that's the bygone thing that m I
guess still the thing that's keeping us from protecting the earth.
What if we put restaurants and fucking eight h like
again oil themed. I'm sure I can't imagine if there's

(47:53):
like an oil education section. What is an oil themed anything?
Like the layers of propaganda are really Maybe that's every
floor of the hotel. It's like a different scheme. Maybe
they'll have what's his name's character from there will be
blood as like one of the dress up characters that
like will yell at you about drinking your milkshake. Oh dude,

(48:17):
it'll be a thing as it's a restaurant. Was a
Daniel play You can? You can? It's like step right
up and try and drink my milk shake, and like
all you try to drink from like a three like
a fucking thirty meter straw and be like, I can
just see that kind of nonsense. Yeah, I mean not
to be like way too journalistic about this, but they

(48:39):
are lacking an I P component because there are there's
there's no like if I'm looking at this very literally
without all of the terrifying backstory, there are no characters
that are familiar to people, there are no storylines, there's
no movie tie in there except for when I looked
it up, a movie called The Rig, which I think
is a horror movie. There's nothing to actually draw this
tourism that they are pulling out of nothing. So a

(49:02):
lot of times of stuff, they release these renderings and
they just take forever and the things fall apart and
I assume, I mean, they have money, so it could happen.
But nobody is going to plan a trip around this
because there's no hook beyond it being I don't know
if people have craved an oil themed exterial, there's no
there's no hook. There's first of all, okay, you know

(49:26):
it's not oil has been bad, but they're turning that
frown the apocalypse upside down by by putting smiles on
people's faces on something that did bring about the apocalypse.
But like for now, it's lit. They're doing something with
levels that I have not seen done. Like I've never
seen a you know, a roller coaster or a bunch

(49:48):
of like water slides like kind of going through buildings,
which I think is like a cool like that that's
kind of hinted at by the park design and is
it not. No, there's there's there. There are definitely roller
coasters that will go through structures that are like that.
That's kind of the appeal. There is a lot of
intertwining here, but more in a way that makes me

(50:10):
scared for the structural significance of Yeah, no, this is
a this is a total nightmare, but like also I
don't know, Yeah, it's like the firefest of theme parks
where it's like I'm not I don't want to go,
but like i't gonna, Yeah, I want total nightmare. I

(50:31):
Mean it's weird because I pulled up a link about
it and it's this website arch paper dot com and
the text of it is as noted by CNN, Saudia
Radio Lexe, the International tourism drop some of its neighbors
due in part to the appalling history of human rights
abuses and script restrictions placed on women, and you scroll
up and it's a screen grab of that promotional video

(50:52):
with a girl in a tank top just screaming on
a coaster, and it's like, this is discordant, this is
not together international waters. We loosen the rules over here
and anything goes on an oil rig I suppose yeah, right,
I don't know suddenly, like and yeah, our strict repressive laws. Also, hey,
we're not gonna let that get in the way of tourism, folks,
let's believe us. I'd like to see that. And also

(51:15):
I don't know who this like. Again, I don't know
how many people. If they're saying internationally, right, I'll speak
very narrowly about the United States. What person the US is, Like, dude,
I have been you know what's been on my fucking list.
We already we went to we went to Tokyo, we
went to Iceland, we went to Coast a Rica, Like
now we got to go to the Arabian Gulf to

(51:37):
suck it, and then I want to go to ri
odd okay, because it's a popping over there. I just
don't again, like you're saying, the draw isn't clear. The
value proposition isn't clear aside from I think just to
say that it's like the most extreme fucking thing it's
it's it's itself is a spectacle it all in all,
it just seems joyless, which I don't think is the

(51:59):
point of any of this. Yeah, right right, Like I guess, yeah,
you can tell that. It's like, no, this isn't who
you Even the actors in the video the promotional videos
seem like they are acting like they're having fun at gunpoint,
like they don't. They're like, yeah, I love the rig.

(52:21):
I don't get what it is though, because I love
an attraction on a cruise ship, like a roller coaster
on a cruise ship. Cruise ship, sign me the funk up.
But this I hate, even though it's it's essentially also
on water, also an amusement. Something about it permanently being
out there where you can truly fault your death at
any moment. It just doesn't sit right. It looks rusty

(52:42):
as it looks you can already see. Have you ever
met somebody who you're like, oh, I know exactly what
you're gonna look like as an elderly person, Like do
you know that? Like you're just like, oh, yeah, like
I see that. I know where this is going. Yeah,
well so mild you you look like an old now
I'm just talking. Uh no, this looks like I I

(53:08):
looking at this, I can already see it in like
a post apocalyptic landscape, like that's what's in the water world. Yeah,
it is, honestly to your point about the I p
if this was branded as a water work, you, I'm
fucking somehow. I'm suddenly like, oh I love Mohammed Bins.
It was smooth it over a bit and have a

(53:30):
jet ski and live my dreams. Yeah. And and already
it's like funked up in Nightmariage because you're pre supposing
that the world has already collapsed due to climate change
and you're there to yuck it up with like the
smokers and some guys speaking Portra Greek with webbed feet
and gills behind his ears. Yea, yeah, I mean it
fits everything. Like. One thing, one kind of dissonant aspect

(53:52):
of the video but not the most striking one obviously,
is that they're scuba diving in it, which like, so
it's like a theme part where you can go scuba
diving underneath it, which who has not wanted to scuba
diver around a fucking rusty oil rig. But you know,
if it's water World, that that makes sense. He could
bring under wall and this is so fucked up, But

(54:14):
I think like you build like full scale because they
have the money of a city that has just been
completely submerged by a sea level rise and that's what
you scuba dive through. Yeah, I mean that's a story.
Show me my eventual fate, you know, right exactly, and
then like somehow it's like acting as like a great
inspiration for people, like we have to get off fossil fuel, guys,

(54:35):
this is a good ideacular one. There's gotta be there's
gotta be like decommissioned oil rigs in America. We turn
them into like future world, Yeah, actual future land, like people,
we got our oil, We could get that I P
for cheap. You know that we could actually have hair

(54:57):
restoration procedures out there. Since Kevin Costner, I guess most
of that budget was spent on digitally redoing his hair. Yeah,
because it didn't it didn't quite work. And they all
know there's a long running water World show it in Hollywood,
right studios, Yes, yes, yeah, I mean the stunt Show
because it used to be on Miami Vice Stunt Show,

(55:18):
which is funny because for that that that Miami Vice
Stunt Show went on for years past when anyone gave
a funk about Miami Vice. And the same with the
water World thing too, Like I bet they're like generations
of kids who will go there, Like is water World?
Oh yeah, it's been decades, I believe just I mean,
it's a proven concept if we really want to sell it, right, Yeah, yeah,

(55:39):
that's true. So somebody already has, yeah ship. It's wild
that they because nobody I went and saw water World.
I was excited about water World when it came out,
you know, I was like a child. I was like, hell, yeah, man,
this is like probably where we're all hiding. And but
I I remember like having the feeling that, h this

(56:00):
was like kind of cool. But nobody gives a ship
enough about it to like play water World ever. Yeah. Yeah.
It's a very holistic tie in the fact that you
would go to an oil rig and if you enjoy yourself,
be like, congrats, this is the future if you continue
to use oil, enjoy it, right, Yeah yeah, I like

(56:21):
clinging to oil rigs for your life. Alright, Carly, Well,
well we'll talk offline. We're gonna make this happen. Have
you ever did you I'm sure you're too young for
a river country. Did you ever hit river Country? And
I know all about it. River Country is still my
favorite amusement anything I've ever been to. Oh you lucky dog.

(56:43):
Yeah it was. River Country was just they built a
water park into like a little chunk of the river
in Orlando at Disney and it was I don't know,
it was just cool. It like felt like it was
like built out of like old like I don't know,
like logging equip menten ship and like it felt a
little tetnasy, but I loved that ship called me tetanasy Williams.

(57:13):
I mean, I think we just end the podcast and
at this point a little lot right now, but that's it,
uh ship. I wish I would have gone, Yeah, it
was dope. I don't know if it was dope or
it just hit me at the right time. I think
I want when I was like eight or not. Yeah,
hit that in typhoon lagoon and consecutive days and well, Carly,

(57:43):
it's been such a pleasure having you on the daily.
Thank you so much. Thanks for having me on. This
was a wonderful morning. Yes, yes, we did it all.
We covered the whole spectrum, seriously, didn't Yeah, where can
people find you and follow you? Oh? You can find
me at Carly wise L on Twitter and Instagram or
my podcast very amusing with Carly wise L anywhere they

(58:06):
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my names. Have you type in my name everything will
come up. Yeah. Yeah, and we're spelling that name c
R L y E W I s e L. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean it was annoying growing up that no one
could pronounce my name. But now like every Google result

(58:27):
is me, it's kind of nice. Like I'm googling myself
a lot. I work in a field of bylines. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Oh that's fine. We all do it. Yeah. I have
Google alerts for for friends who I hope they'll be
written about, and I always say, hey, bro, so you're
still not popping up on I mean these days it's
the only way I know my stuff is goes live.

(58:48):
Yeah right, right, So your parents nailed it with you know,
search engine optimization with thank you, h I was named
for the most popular girl in my mom's high school
and it ended up being a Google dream. Yeah, look
at that and a combination of Carl and Yeah, Carl,
Sagan and Kanye, So, yeah, you're right my two heroes. Yeah.

(59:13):
Is there a tweet or some of the work of
social media you've been enjoying. Yes, Um, I'm torn between two,
but I think my favorite the tweet my krill Tusk
and it says smash that motherfucking like if you love
the worm part of the bus, and it's a photo
of the part that joins the two parts of the
bus together. Yeah, I loved it because nobody it's one

(59:36):
of those things that nobody talks about that I always
try to go there because it feels a little bit
like a ride and it was just nice to see
it pop up in my feet and be represented. Yeah.
My so funny. In like growing up in Japan, I
will go to like in the middle of the train
cars for that same again, this is where the ship moves,
and my mom would regularly be like, get the fuck

(59:57):
out of there. This isn't a ride. And now as
an adult, I like I'll do it from time to time,
or like in the New York Subway, I'll find myself
levitating draws out. I'm like, yeah, I can kind of
handle this right now. I like to go no hands
because it makes me feel I moved to LA from
New York, so it makes me feel like I still
have it. Oh. You know what's the best though, any
for subway writing culture is going hands free when it's
breaking to be like, watch me, watch me finesse the

(01:00:20):
stop and take off of the subway car with I'll
grab in the little hand, yes exactly, And people native
New Yorkers love when you do that. Oh yeah, I'll
do it with my backpack. Everybody get it out of the
the way, my big gas backpack on my back, not
taking it off, and then like ending up pushing like

(01:00:43):
an mt A worker. And they asked me, I'm trying
to get smacked. Miles. Can people find you with tweet
you've been enjoying? Oh, you can find me on Twitter
and Instagram at Miles of Gray and also the other
show for twenty Day Fiance where I talk ID fiance
with Sophia Alexandra Um. Let's see, man, I don't even

(01:01:05):
know it's a fucking tweet even like these days. How
about this one from at Arson do Er tweeted if
smoking so bad, why does it cure salmon? Thank you,
thank you, and another one from Abby Govindon at abby
guv g o V tweeted quote, I'm an EmPATH. The
worst person you have ever met? Track sometimes up. Let's

(01:01:29):
see raunch on Pizza tweeted of a day, but for
your teeth after eating popcorn, which while we're inventing ship,
that's a good one. Water pick. It's like a water pick.
But I feel like, I mean for someone in my
line of work, I could use that. Hell yeah, like
a little pork and it just you do something. Yeah,

(01:01:51):
you're like, there you go. Good mouth of a day,
There you go. And then that mom though tweeted hello darkness,
my old friend. Is it five or ten pm? Because
this daylight saving ship is fucking me up. I'll yeah, man,
I don't know not you are? You just adjusted to

(01:02:14):
the new sunlight like it's nothing. It's weird. I was
doing it very suddenly hit me like two days ago
where I was like, oh shit, I'm my circadian rhythms
back in line with like what the clock says normally
versus like me right now. Yah wow. I just get
very sad every day at four o'clock being like I
got nothing done, and then I'm like, oh, the sun

(01:02:35):
stole time away from me, right yeah? And also you're like,
why do I keep beating myself for not getting anything
done in accordings with the sun, like Yeoman Farmer. Yeah.
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well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
what song do we think they might enjoy? I mean,
I've been Lee's. They've been listening to a lot of
funk p H O n K, which I'm not gonna
lie to. TikTok got me kind of more interested in
this musical genre where they take an eight oh a

(01:03:18):
cow bell and d tune it. Do you hear the
style of music? You're like, I know this kind of track,
but the producers are really good, and I'm just like,
I don't know sonically I'm really starting to gravitate towards it.
There's just something about it that's like, it feels like
dystopian hip hop. And this track is called odium O
d I U M from Last Century. And again, a

(01:03:38):
lot of these FONK producers put X is where the
vowels should go, so it's l x S, t c
X and t U r Y, So check that out.
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