June 4, 2018 • 64 mins
In episode 161, Jack and Miles are joined by frequent podcast guest and comedian Jamie Loftus to discuss their thoughts on the new Kanye West, the Supreme Court's decision on Masterpiece Cakes vs. gay couple, Trump's shamelessness when it comes to North Korea and more, Trump's plan for pardoning himself, Bill Clinton's new book tour, an FBI agent firing his gun after doing a backflip, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season thirty four, episode
one of Daily Sight Guy. Yeah, we're June fourth, two
thousand eight. Team my name is Jack O'Brien a ka
tag Team Jack again check it to wreck It o brien. Uh.
That is courtesy of Team Murphy had kind of made
a couple of revisions, but same general idea from Tea
(00:21):
Murphy unforced to assume former NBA player Troy Murphy. Uh.
And I am thrilled to be joined as always by
my co host Mr Miles Gray. Want something else, I'm
not listening when you Gray, So thank you. Yeah, there
we go. Dude did it? Dude? Thank you. Chapman Rice
(00:44):
aka Goddess of Fun Fact. I ran into your buddy
zach O Yama, who's also a comedian out here in
l A. Someone you probably know him. Uh, And we
made a weird connection when someone came up and he said, hey,
someone who I think this is your podcast, which calls
with and ends up being Chapman right, so out to you.
So that makes us look really small time because then
it seems like we only have like five listeners, as
(01:05):
you know who all of them are. It's so it's
kind of true. We are a second rate podcast. You
know that gang is very small. All right, we are
thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a
first time guest. I believe yes, she is uh the great,
one of the all time great Jamie low the Sorry,
(01:28):
I would love to come on as the first time guest.
Characters you have Zamboni Girl, Little Zamboni Girl. Hi, guys, Hey,
how are you? I'm good? Thank you so much. I
don't have enough time to google things. It's like I
(01:50):
was like, I don't know what. I haven't googled anything
in the past couple of days. I haven't had a
question um time. Thank you so much for filling in
for me. While I was out conducting my experiment. Did
you see Miles? People were speculating that we were hiding Jack,
like Trump is hiding people still don't know. This could
be one of those like voice modulator algorithms we created
(02:12):
to sound like Jack. I've been really into AI and
I think I'm getting pretty good at it. So, I mean,
let's see how today goes. You're getting good at AI,
I'm getting good at coding. I'm like, so, how do
you define a ziet good at it? There's zeros. But
then also and people, a lot of people don't know
that this, there's also one. So I've just been doing
(02:32):
zeros in the whole time. Well, I've created jackpots software.
There we go, alright, We're going to get into a
bunch of different stuff. We're gonna talk about the Kanye album,
the Supreme Court decision about cake that is currently the
biggest font I've seen Drudge use for a headline in
our time running this show. We're gonna talk about Trump's
(02:53):
shamelessness as just an accidental strategy, Bill Clinton's new weird
book tour, lots of stuff. But before we get into
what the world is thinking about, we like to start
out by talking to our guest about what they specifically
are talking and thinking about and searching for. Jamie, what
are you searching for? Maybe we can broaden it for you,
just what are you searching for? And what am I
(03:15):
searching for? In my life? I did Google over the
weekend several times. Zach Woods g Q photo shoot. Have
we all seen the Zachos g Q photos? It's I
was bedridden over the Zach Woods photo shoot. It is
absolutely beautiful. It's just all these pictures of Zach Woods
in the woods, he's fishing, he's on various rafts, and
(03:38):
you're just I was just like, I'm in full body
paralysis over the Zach Woods g Q photo shoot. Highly
recommend if you want to get horny on Monday. Wow.
I love that he has resting, weeping face. He really does.
I love it. Is the I forget the character's name
from Silicon Bell Jared Jared Silicon Valley. Yeah, one of
(04:02):
the funniest dudes. He's He's the absolutely and what that dude,
I don't even know. I think I just want to
hang out with him. He just seems like a good
person to hang out with, just sort of based off
his like sort of low energy kind of I don't know.
I don't know. I feel like he's one of those
people that you talked to. He like knows a lot
(04:24):
about very specific things, right right right, Yeah, Like he
would probably, yeah, y'all would have a crazy conversation about
his zambody and yeah, I feel I feel like he
knows a lot about things I don't know. And then
I could tell him all about the history of Chuck
E Cheese, Yeah, which no one knows except me. I
am the keeper of the keys. And then the other
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thing I've been looking at because speaking of Chucky cheese
is I was getting back into Aaron Fector's YouTube channel
over the weekend. And Aaron Factor is the inventor of
the Chucky Cheese robots. He still lives in the warehouse
he created those robots in in Florida. He's the only
person who lives there now. He lives there with his wife,
and he programs the robots to sing songs about his wife.
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It is terrifying and beautiful and I recommend everyone looking
to his weird YouTube channel for robot And what did
he just like make a quick check when he created
the Chuck E Cheese band like mechanical band, and then
just it was downfall after that, it goes so deep.
He has such like he's the classic like genius who
cannot do business kind of guy because he invented whack
(05:26):
a mole straight up slipped forgot to get the patent
he invented. Ad didn't get the patent on whac a Mole.
Blew it got like swindled by a carne who ended
up getting the patent to whack a mole. He blew it.
Then he's like Okay, let me just invent every animatronic
robot at Chuck E Cheese slipped again like just totally
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like blew his load and went wrecked. That business as
well used to have like three hundred employees in this
huge warehouse in Florida, and then like the business folded,
but he still has the warehouse and the robot that
the Chuck E Cheese robots like really is you know,
part of my childhood and like going up there and
even like I remember when people started like doing like
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sort of like robot dancing challenges. A lot of people's
like inspiration point was the Yeah, so I check out
his YouTube channel though he is still programming those bots.
I have a suggestion for his next career is just
have like a Halloween haunted house where he just like
takes very specific parts of the fur off, so it's
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just like the robot face or like a robot face.
It's full like five nights of Freddy's right. Yeah, to
help us, Jamie, what is something that's overrated? Overrated? Oh?
Have either of you read this book The War of
Art by Stephen Pressfield. It is like a book that
was recommended to me several times in the past week.
(06:52):
It's one of those like self hope, like You're going
to be the greatest writer in the world if you
read this book. I would expand this overrated to eight
percent of self help books written by men because it is.
It is like the most aggross self help book I've
ever read in my life. Basically all casts in a
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sarafant two inch margins and like people I love and
respect were like, you gotta read it. And then it
was written in O two as well. So Stephen Pressfield,
like you know what, like seriously, he has a lot
of takes on nine eleven, like right after it happened.
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He said that the Holocaust was a result of procrastination.
He says a lot. He said that Lance arms Strong
was like the Pantheon of discipline and success because it
was two thousand. He said that Tiger Woods had great
discipline in his personal and professional life. He just says
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all sorts of stuff. He's like, mental illness is caused
by you not doing your art. He's like, people who
get cancer are just procrastinating on being a genius. And
my favorite post, yeah, cancer is caused by blocked artistic Yes, cancer,
cancer and the Holocaust were caused by people, not just procrastinating.
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And then you're like, Hitler was like a blocked artist. Yeah,
that's his that he's and and he gets really cute
about it. He's like, listen, this is just my take.
But maybe if Hitler had stopped procrastinating on that painting,
the Holocaust wouldn't have freaking happen. And then you're like, wait,
what are his qualifications? And this is the best. His
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biggest success was he wrote the Legend of baggar Vance.
That's it, the racist golf movie, The Legend of baggar Van.
It's so that I'm so I spent fourteen dollars on
that pile of garbage. I'm so madding this to you
people I love. And then I likely no, like a
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family recommend, like a director. The director I work with
all the time was like, I read this book and
it stressed me out, but I think that that probably
is a good thing. Uh. An illustrator that I work
with a lot, it's yeah, if you see this book
or this book is recommended to you, it is. It
is just it is a crop of ship. It's really bad.
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Have you read The Artist's Way? I haven't no, written
by a woman and it. Have you ever heard of
like people doing morning pages where they like write freehand
for three pages every morning, just like so that's an
exercise from that book. And it's actually, I don't know,
I think it's a pretty decent book that doesn't sound
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like the worst thing at all. Yeah, it's not aggressive
and like, get I'm all for people like wanting to
better themselves. But it like went from like you should
write more to holocaust conspiracy theory very clearly. This book
about the world wants to stop your art. It's like
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some weird blasted out there. Like if you're not up
at four am writing your racist golf movie, you are
scumb You should try The Laws of Power. That's another
and that's worth reading because then you can like see
other people trying to use and you're like, yeah, you're so,
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you're so, you're so, like, hey, this is Hannah. I
just want to give you. Let you guys know how
I was raised. My father gave me The forty eight
Laws of Power when I was ten years old. I'm
not even joking. I have the book to this day
on my bookshelf and told me to read it and
learn from it. It's really interesting because that book had
a sort of cultural like peak where everything came together
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in the early two thousand's, like a Dov Charne was like,
this is the atheist's Bible, forty eight Laws of Power.
And also Fitty sent all about it and like claimed
that it like him his success and then like all
those people have like fallen off become monsters. Also, I
want to say he did. My dad also had a
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page of it photo copied and printed out and on
his wall in his office. So growing up, I'd always
see the thing about how you take credit for other
people's work. And one of his employees told me that
he was scared of my father because of it. That's
a real thing that happened in my life. No, it's
a book about that encourages you to fun people over power.
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But that and like how to win friends and influence
people is part of like I worked at a bookstore
when I first moved here, and it's just part of
like the the l a Fun Boys starter pack, like
like it was like that the Fat Jew book. God,
it's the last thing I'll say about the War of
Art by Stephen Pressfield. The worst book ever written is
that he like you know, he's like reject all critics.
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Anyone who criticizes you as jealous of you amazing. He
uses this example of like, if your wife is eight
months pregnant and is saying you're focusing on in your
art too much, she's wrong. And then and then he
was like, think about it. Leo Tolstoy had thirteen kids
and he wrote war in Peace. I was like, anyone
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could have thirteen kids, did they like he was? It
made me so mad, And as somebody who has worked
in sort of encouraging other creative people, like I think
you and I have both. Uh, this is a very
dangerous message to put out there because there are a
lot of people who want to be creatives and to
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the detriment of the rest of their life, who like
take it the wrong way and get into it for
the wrong reasons, and a message like that can be really,
really toxic. I'm all for self discipline, but it's like,
if you're especially like, you can't be creative unless you're
also having a life and have things to pull. So
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don't ignore your eight months pregnant wife. Stephen Pressfield child,
I'm surprised it just wasn't like, yeah, you're eight month
with brgnant wife. She's a hater, pick her up by
the head and put her in the trash like you're
just like Jesus Jamie. What's something that's underrated? Oh this
I'm very excited about. Um. There is a show on
Adult Swim right now called Joe Para Talks to You
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and you already done this one. I love this. The
last night's episode is like one of my favorite things
I've ever seen ever. I won't spoil it, but it's
about the character. Here's Baba O'Reilly for the first time,
and that is the whole episode. It's really really good.
Uh yeah, I think it's called Yeah Joe Parr reads
the church announcements, so everyone should watch it. So I
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think you have recommended this before, and then people started
recommending it to me and my Twitter mentions, so it's
but it's almost like, bro, we've already been on this
because of Yami Lofty exactly. Also, then we start talking
about conor'malley. I think does he write on it or
does he I think both? I think hilarious meeting. If
you guys can find look at Conromalley's old vine videos.
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You want to see some wild, crazy new York Ship. Yeah,
just one of the funniest dudes. All right. And finally,
what's a myth? What's something people think is true that
you know based on your personal experience? This is okay?
So this weekend? Okay? So I would say, I would
say this myth is that you should talk about things
that upset you in a public place. But I think
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this is true. I was with a friend from college
this weekend. We went to Denny's and I was talking
about the most public of places, the most public. We
were fully in the atwater Denny's, getting into the think
of it hadn't caught up in a while, and we
like gone on to this like I was basically just
like talking with her about one of the worst things
that had ever happened to me. And it was like
kind of an emotional conversation. And we were talking and
(14:48):
drinking coffee, and then all of a sudden, Who Let
the Dogs Out came on full blast in the restaurant,
and we just like looked at each other, like we
have to stop talking. This conversation is over inappropriate with
this music on, and I was like, I think I'm
actually over it now. So yeah, talk about talking about
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your past traumas in Denny's, I think is my recommendation. Yeah,
because their their radio is wild. Maybe we'll have to
have that be a preloaded sound drop we do when
people start getting really like dark Ship, then sudden we
just nick hit it. Guys, I'm just talking about mine anyway.
You're like I was talking about how my father left,
(15:32):
and they're just like your should have remixed it. By
the way, the guy who wrote that song credits the
forty Laws of Power for giving him thence for it. Now,
I don't know, like nearly everybody in hip hop flouting
Kanye and jay z Drake everybody, Hey, speaking of hip
hop and Kanye, he released an album last week. Let's
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get into what people are thinking of talking about right
now and the kind album I think you guys touched
on a little bit on Friday. We've had a weekend
to listen to it, and I think I don't know
our overall. My overall takeaway is that it's very uneven
and probably the worst thing he's ever done. Uh, but
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it also has really high highs. Like a lot of
his projects. Do I really like the first song, the
second and third or solid I really like ghost Town,
the song to his daughter about like how he doesn't
want her to be hot is the worst thing he's
ever done. It's like the rap version of one of
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those Matt Damon quotes that starts out as a father
of daughters, I understand crossed with one of those purity
ball events in the South where daughters promised their chastity
to their fathers. Which is is that the thing like
they It almost looks like a wedding sit It is
right like the father and daughter like like proclaimed to
each other. That's that's how bad the song is is
(17:02):
It reminded me of that, And then I just went
on a deep dive on like Wikipedia on on the
Chasti Ball and her purity Ball. Rather, it's really like
the It's realities version of American Pie and that it
seems like it's from five generations ago, but it was
fairly recent. Really Yeah, yeah, I guess that makes sense. Yeah,
(17:26):
what what did you find? Yeah? Yeah, bring us down
the Wikipedia. It's just this incredible article where it's like,
you know, this gray haired guy sitting next to They
just describe her as like a woman in a floor
length gown with her hair in an upd like seems
like a wedding for all intensive purposes. He pulls out
a ring like shows it to her and she starts crying. Yeah,
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and then they're like yeah, and that daughter is seventeen
years old and that is his daughter, and they danced
together and they it's all sorts of beard and likekwardly
romantic in a way that I don't know. It's just
totally unself conscious about how creepy it is because they're
just claiming protectorship over their daughter's body. Yeah, and it
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also has the sort of the war of Art vibe
where it's like they declare war on things that shouldn't
be possible to declare war on. There's a quote from
this article. Pastor Randy Wilson takes the microphone and asks
the men, are you ready to war for your daughter's purity?
You're ready to kill for your daughter's tim Yeah, you're like,
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never mind? Is she probably broke it on a bike
seat when she was younger? Find the man you kill.
The purity ball guidelines suggest that the daughters be just
old enough to have begun menstruating. Uh cool, something that
everyone should well yeah, because yeah, that those kindy lyrics
really are kind of like whoa man now that I
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think about my done daughter, like, yeah, men do some
gross stuff. And then like other songs are like about
him sucking other people that besides his wife and your Yeah,
that we should just do a universal like Kabash on
men being allowed to be like as a follower of daughters,
I understand where Like I was on the phone with
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my dad the other night and we were we were
sparring about sam be using the C word, and my
dad was like, I don't know. I mean, as your father,
I think that it's a pretty vile word. And then
in the middle he's like, oh, my teeth fell out.
Your opinion is invalid on teeth literally fell out while
(19:38):
you were saying I don't think people should use this
sewhere click there is something about because Rudy Giuliani, his
teeth always seem on the verge of falling out. I
feel like there's something about conservative politics and like your
teeth just wanting to escape from your head. I don't know.
My dad loses his teeth everywhere. It's very funny thing.
(19:59):
It It is a hockey thing to lose your teeth,
but your dad wasn't. My dad doesn't play hockey. He
just reports about it, which shouldn't so yeah, it's on him.
But the other day he's like, you know, I lost
my I lost my teeth and they were on top
of my Elvis Costello c D collection, which stacks so
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high that you can't see it without a ladder. Um
Back to Kanye, So apparently the album was created like fully,
none of these songs existed before that TMZ interview always
sounds like yeah, well, and that's according to people who
have reported on the process. It was all like put
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together very quickly, which the thing that used to separate
his work from a lot of other people's work is
what a perfectionist he is. And this sounds rushed and
not that well thought through. And even the push of
the album that he produced like sounded it seven tracks
that you got the sense it was like they took
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the seven best tracks from like a collection of fifteen
and we're just like, we're just making it all killer,
no filler, whereas this just seems like the first seven
tracks of a bad Kanye album, very first drafty. You know,
we knew something was wrong with him based on his
public appearances over the last couple of months, and the
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album just kind of further shows that he's not in
the best place, especially to be creating, and he's still
saying the dumbest shit out loud on record. And I've
never come at the guy's music, but this is like
one of the first times I really feel sort of
a little bummed for him as a creator. I'm like,
damn you really just this sounds so all over the place.
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The first song I actually really like a lot, but
it goes all over the place from like silently being
like I thought about killing you to do it on
the bus or something. I got a out killing you
premeditated murder ah cps. Because also, who the funk is
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he talking about when he's like I thought about killing you,
best believe that speculate. I assumed it was Kim, but
I ever heard stuff like that said on the bus
to the Glendale Galeria before. Yeah, you never want to
start off with something about yeah I thought about premeditated
murder into like impromptu humming. But that song like it
feels like two songs that could have been good, and
then just we're kind of all over the place because
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then suddenly he's like, yeah, like I've been in some
bad places using the floor as ash Train. He's like,
it's a different set of rules that we obey. You're like, whoa,
it's the same song, Okay, right, Yeah, I don't know anyway,
It's it's one of those things I just I'll maybe
can only listen to like three of the songs on there,
but yeah, I don't know. I feel like he had
a chance to maybe do something slightly redeemable off the
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back of all that dumb ship that he said, and
then he really does nothing to address that. Even when
he talks about the slavery was a choice thing, it's
just sort of like I told him she could have left,
but she so she's loyal. Yeah, it's like the worst
thing you could have done. It just kind of is
just like a weird, like literal Yeah, I just want
to shout out all my bipolar heads again because I
don't know, like he he makes a big deal about
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his mental illness on this album. That's mostly what it's about,
and it and and you can sort of like hear
that thought process, and I don't know, it's it's weird
to hear someone in the thick of it making, you know,
releasing their first draft. Basically, I don't I'm interested in
how that like affects the mental health conversation, if at all.
But more than anything, it's like the way you see
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people responding to this album who were like two weeks ago,
they were like, he's dead to me, hate He's no, no,
he's canceled, he's done. Now they're like track two is
actually pretty good. I'm guilty of that. Interesting that that's
my jack Butt program. My beefs with him have always
been about his politics or what he does with his celebrity. Basically, yeah,
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because I always said that even in the thick of
his dumb fuccory uh is that like it? That's why
I was so upset because he has made like an
album that I feel is one of the better hip
hop albums that's ever been made, and so no funny
pile and again, but it's it's one of those things too,
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where it shows how invested people can be when they're like, well,
but I also got to find out. But at the
end of the day, this just further underlines how little
he knows about his own place or the world or whatever,
because it comes off so odd and like just tone
deaf and spots that I'm just was really like, look,
that's why. To me, it was just kind of like
I don't know, a lot of people on tour like, yo,
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this is the greatest album, or other people like this
is great, this is the worst fucking now buck you
and people were like getting upset over it. To me,
I'm just sort of like, he made this album in
a week and he literally got flamed on TMZ and
his response is this, and it sounds like this sort
of like this impulsive thing that he did. So I
don't I don't know is he gonna want to count
this as one of his albums? Yeah, And I mean
none of the seven songs apparently existed back when he
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gave himself this self imposed deadline to release the album
last week, and then apparently he told Charlie Mane in
an interview that he completely reworked the songs after that
TMZ slavery was a choice thing. Wow, So not only
was like last minute album, like last minute do your
(25:23):
homework for him together? Yeah? Alright, Well sounds like that.
This is one point he makes where he refers to
himself in the third person and then from that transitions
into being able to like see outside of himself and
therefore being bipolar as a superpower, which I do think
that he didn't take it like that. You didn't take that.
I didn't know if it was that he was seeing
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outside of himself. It was just sort of like I
think he called out his own narcissism in a way,
like he was clearly like maybe someone in therapy was like,
you see how you tend to do the third person,
you're narcissism. Because he's like, yeah, that's the third person.
He's like, wait, I heard that's my bipolar ship. I'm
sucking superhero. That's me trying to track his thought process,
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which probably doesn't make sense. What do you think thinking
of looking at his bipolar disorder as a superpower? I well,
I don't speak behalf personally. How does that strike you?
I mean, it just seems a little bit like off
and and and that makes sense if you're in the
middle of a bipolar manic episode that you would see
things off. That's like what they're characterized by. But I
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don't know. I just it bums me out a little
bit that this is like, well, he's acting this way
because he's bipolar. He's acting it just I think kind
of oversimplifies a more complicated illness uh and and basically
just characterizes anyone who does have bipolar disease as like
someone who's completely unhinged and can't and just using the
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bipolar to justify stuff he says in the media of like,
you know, being bipolar has never made me think that's
like Bray was a choice. Like there's other stuff at play,
and there's like more context and the fact that it's
being boiled down to like, well, he's going through a
bipolar manic episode. That seems like it's true, but there's
also like other stuff on yes, clearly, and just from
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a public persona perspective, it seems like the parts of
him that have always like kind of captured people who
don't care about his arts attention, like his sort of rambling, uh,
you know, jumping on stage at awards shows, and just
basically you know, toxic narcissism, like that person is eating
(27:35):
like the creator on this album. You can almost hear
that happening. Yeah, And I think the lack of like
at least I haven't looked at all the credits, but
it seems like not many people were helping him with
the songwriting part, and that's always like a mark of
most of his albums. Yeah, I mean, anything that's that
rushed is going to be hard to not like this
second Rade podcast, right, that's right, all right, we'll bring
(27:58):
the heat. We're going to take a quick break. We'll
be right back. And we're back, and it is time
to talk about that Supreme Court decision seven to It
was a route for the conservative side on this decision
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that people have been talking about for years where a
baker in Colorado decided to not bake a cake for
a gay couple's wedding and then the Civil Liberties Department
or Colorado Civil Rights Commission basically told him he wasn't
allowed to make that decision. So, like I said, Drudge
(28:43):
is treating this as a huge victory for conservative politics,
conservative thought in general. Yeah, and it's not really the
case here. I mean, if you really like look at it,
because like the first thing that was going like as
you say seven to a lot of people like on
super right wing Twitter, we're like, that's a blowout because
a lot of people like when they look at the
(29:04):
New York Times or Watchington Posts, they say it was
a narrow decision, blah blah blah. These people like seven
to two is not narrow, my guy. But they're not
thinking in terms of how you describe a decision as
being narrow or broad in its applications and narrow case.
It is very narrow because it applies to this one instance. Uh.
And so to like, you know, be blowing up your
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LGBT rainbow cakes on your your mast head for your website, Uh,
it doesn't quite relate to what's actually happening with this case.
So the Dredge headline that's in the huge font is supremes,
which is what we're calling anymore. Uh, Supremes Colin, you
don't have to bake that cake, and then a big
picture of a rainbow cake. Uh. Which it's weird because
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when you click through on that article, it makes it
clear that the you and that headline is literally a
single individual human being. That's what they're saying is that
this one person didn't have to bake the cake because
of the way the Colorado Civil Rights Commission worded their
admonition of him, right, they were too strong in their wording,
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and it did you know, strike the seven of the
Supreme Court justices as implying sort of condemnation of his
religious and semantic thing right, Well, in Justice Kennedy in
his ruling, like he he writes that specifically what they
did in Colorado, like that's that's exactly what they're overturning.
Is like based on their handling of it. That's why
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we're saying he's allowed to do whatever he wants because
they sort of weaponized his religion against him because in
the ruling made in Colorado, they're like, you know, they
were sort of using the thing of like religious freedom
has been done in the name of all kinds of
horrible things and blah blah blah. And in that ruling
they said into that judge was making the ruling was
quote one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that
people can use. And that's what Kennedy kind of went
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on to, is like to describe their faith as despicable rhetoric.
You know, that's like to disparage his religion and therefore
blah blah blah. So I mean he was It's kind
of one of those rulings where everyone kind of takes
something home where people, if you're on the anti LGBT side,
you're gonna be like, you see, he was able to
do that that doesn't mean everybody who wants to discriminate
can do that. That's a whole other thing that will
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probably end up in the Supreme Court eventually. But also,
you know, this isn't exactly a blow to LGBT rights either,
even though seemingly on the surface it feels like that.
You know, Kennedy's opinion also shows ways that states can
enforce lgbt Q non discrimination laws without bumping into the
constitutional free speech kinds of things. That was what created
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this whole situation. Um, yeah, but it's yeah, I think
a lot of people are going to take what they
want to, especially you know, as you know, cultural wars
in full swing now. So I wish I mean, it's
like obviously we all wish it did on the other way.
But it does seem like a case of wording. Yeah,
well that's why a lot of there are a lot
of articles and they're like, Hi, this apply is literally
to this one person, this one man who six years
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ago too. This is like a originally was the cake
request they believe, Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, and this is
that long tick and I don't think they want to
hear another case like this for a minute. So we'll see.
But yeah, I mean the other thing is Kennedy did
reassert sort of the dignity that you know, gay people
should be treated with and all these other things. I
know in Justice Ginsberg's notes in her descent, she was
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just kind of talking about the line of reasoning that
was being used a little bit different because really, these
two people were being turned away because of their identity,
not because of a message that they wanted to put
on the cake, because they're like sort of on the
facts of it. They were talking about the messaging that
would be on the cake or whatever. So it's again,
it was like one of those decisions that luckily not broad,
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but kind of leaves everybody wanting a little bit more
to know, like where where are we really going to
fall on this? But yeah, I think there is maybe
this creeping narrative on the conservative side that they are
riding a on swell of Trump's got this North Korea
thing going, and now we've got this win in the
Supreme Court. So I think this is tying into a
broader overall narrative. So if you click through the headline
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that Drudge has there implying that the group the supremes
have said something about baking the cake. The article is
an ap article that specifically says in one of the
you know first ten paragraphs. But the justices did not
issue a definitive ruling on the circumstances under which people
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can seek exemptions from antidiscrimination laws and other like sort
of important claims raised in the case were completely left alone.
So they basically just ruled on a single individual case.
They just judged judy did They were just like in
this individual case we find for the would I think
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handled it a little bit better? Like you're an idiot?
Diana Rosse would have made the cake? Yes? Would no? No, no,
she will let the other people do it. And then
in the back bank credit because we want the Diana
Ross was the least talented. It's true issue. She had
the sure of singing voice was not as good as
the rest of the group. That doesn't mean she wasn't
a great front person, but if we're talking purely off
quality of voice, I mean, look, don't at me, please,
(34:15):
don't burying that fire tape. Yeah, well too, what are
you gonna do? What are you gonna do? All right, now,
I want to talk about this sort of narrative of
Trump being on a winning streak. People are saying that
his popularity is surging because it's up I think two
percentage points into the low forties, which is good for
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him for so long. I do want to talk about
something that I think is powering this. I don't want
to get into that narrative of Trump is great at
his job. I do think that there's a way in
which he sucks at his job is actually making it
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possible for him to have those wins. And that is
just complete and utter shamelessness. And the thing that crystallized
this for me was the North Korea meeting and the
sending of the letter and where he came out strong
the meeting wasn't happening. We're calling it off because you've
mistreated us, and then immediately was willing to completely backtrack
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on that, which seems weird. But I also think it's
worth noting that there's not a single president we've ever had.
I don't think who would be shameless enough to do that,
to just you know, be like that inconsistent. Yeah, just
just there's no logic, there's no reasoning, there's nothing, there's
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no idea that he has to be this solid leader.
He's just whatever at the moment grabs him. It's it's
like playing out like I messages threat between him and
Kim John exactly, you don't come. I don't want to
see your ass and I'm sorry baby, okay with in
June twelve, Yeah, like yeah, and this could go either
like yeah, it's like a relationship between two like nineteen
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year olds. Maybe that's what reality television. If anything, I
feel like this. The only possible positive spin on this
is that the people around Trump are getting better at
leveraging his weaknesses to make something good happen. He has
nothing to do with him as an individual. He's still
a fucking loser right for sure. But I don't know,
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do you think can you call the North Korea summit
a win at all at any point? Because I honestly
North Korea wins a lot more just by even getting
this summit then we do. Yeah, sure, maybe three prisoners
were like released, but aside from that, like you know,
there's a lot that North Korea gains, especially Kim John
Oon gains in the propaganda wars that he has not
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been able to be seen legitimately, like you know, by
other powers because he hasn't met with like real world
leaders because they won't do it, and for him to
get this opportunity, like you know that picture is gonna
be on like on fucking T shirts already, Like they
love the envelope that he was holding when like the
ex spy chief of North Korea came to hand deliver
that letter to Trump over the weekend. What a weird
(37:13):
photograph look like it was photoshopped to make the envelope huge,
exactly his hand face. That could be genius strolling from
North Korea to They're like, Yo, get the biggest fucking
mbolm you can get to get the photo of him
holding it, so it looks his hands very uncanny Valley,
there's a polar express quality. It really looks like it
(37:34):
could have been designed by your guy from who designed
the chuck e cheese Like he he could be in
the Hall of President's shoutout factor. Yeah, that's a fair point.
And a lot of this sort of surging and you know,
Trump being seen in a slightly more favorable light could
easily just be that. The mainstream media narrative of holy shit,
(37:56):
this guy is constantly fucking up in such a total
suck up has just become exhausting we knew that was
going to happen eventually, that the mainstream media was gonna
be like, nobody wants to hear about him screwing up anymore. People.
People are in the mood for optimism, So don't pretend, oh,
like he totally fucked up and so good that we're
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in a war. I don't know how at that point
what you do? I mean, you got to keep the
pressure on him, and people have to remember how bad
he is because for exactly the reason that people become
like Apathel set in and then this will become totally normal.
And next thing you know, we have even more white
supremacists and nazi fucking candidates running for office, and people
want to put them on CNN, like, yeah, let's hear
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this guy out. He says, African Americans have I accused
twenty points. Get the funk? What the funk is going on? Yeah, So, anyway,
I guess the pressure. My only thought with the North
Korea thing is that the difference between now and in
the past is that they do have intercontinental ballistic missiles
that can potentially reach America now, and I think other
presidents I have been more in keeping with general military
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strategies of like being hard line and maybe not meeting
with him, and he's just so fucking thirsty for a
win and shameless that he will call off the meeting
and then be like, no, I never called off the meeting.
You called off the meeting. You're an idiot. You're lying.
Moving on. And another shameless thing that he's doing that
I definitely don't think is seen as a win, but
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it just is. Another example of just staggering shamelessness is
he and his lawyers are laying the groundwork for him
to pardon himself. It's crazy though, too, like they were
really there, like whoa, he is the embodiment of the law,
therefore he cannot obstruct it. It's really and you know
that's going to be like an event. Oh yeah, he lf,
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I hope he pardons himself as if he is a turkey,
the smaller version of himself. And he's like it's or
like normally when he pardons a turkey, he's like, and
today I will pardon myself President Donald Trump. Ha ha
ha I am god. Yeah, but so's if we approach
it like the turkey, it's like, okay, we pardon you.
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But it's still okay, for you to be killed at
eton this way they talk about like their their logic
about him basically saying, well, I can't obstruct because I
am The law is saying, quote, the Constitution leaves no
question that the president has executive authority over the ultimate
conduct and disposition of all criminal investigations and over those
executive branch officials responsible for conducting those investigations. Thus, as
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set forth more fully below, as a matter of law
and common sense, the president cannot obstruct himself or subordinates
acting on his behalf. Yeah, okay, And a lot of
the shamelessness is just him knowing that he has a
portion of the population that will support him no matter what.
Because well, also people who are like the Constitution. If
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you read that ship, you would understand that this is
basically the antithesis of what the people were trying to
do when they wrote the Constitution. Yeah yeah, And also
just laws of human society, like the pope can't even
pardon himself, No kings like so many throughout the history
of the world, so many kings have been deposed and
like beheaded and right, you know, that's just not a
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thing you ever give. Even people with absolute authority the
power to do like you can't just be like and
I hereby treat myself as the convict in question and
give myself an excuse. It just doesn't. This is just
like more high level trolling, like what what that? And
just he shows you. I mean, it's heat. No, this
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is clearly you don't have to start talking like this.
You know, you're trying to inoculate your base into being like, hey,
I'm just letting you know. When I do this and
people act like I can't do it, you can point
to this letter saying why I pardon myself because if
things look increasingly more and more difficult for him, sounds
like democracy to me. Yeah right, I mean like, yeah,
I think and many people, like people have always said
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throughout this whole thing, none of his actions are the
actions of an innocent person. And I don't think anyone
has any question that there's some some kind of ship
went down. We don't know to what extent, But this
just smacks of just guilt and doing whatever you have
to to to avoid responsibility. If you had any self
awareness about whether or gave a ship, whether you appeared
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guilty or innocent, you would not even broach the subject
of pardoning yourself. Weirdly, Giuliani on the Sunday Shows yesterday
was like, and he would probably be immediately impeached, So
we were not even raising the issue of that. But
he could. But he could if he wanted, because that's
like random, He's still trying to like play the reason
(42:46):
card where it's like, of course he would, because that
would upend the constitution and full blown constitutional cris Do
you guys think you said high high level trolling. I
had this specific thought when I was listening to you
guys last week talk about the Milannia thing that it
almost seems do you think there's anyone in that organization
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who is sort of programming the mainstream media and social
media to focus on these other like stupid bullshit problems.
And because the Milannia thing is so weird and so specific,
like that she's not appearing in the media, and then
they put out that statement where it was clearly written
by Trump and it was almost intentionally seems like it
(43:31):
could have been intentionally suspicious. Do you think there's any
chance that they're just doing this too, you know, force
the opposition to burn calories? No, I mean I think
that there's something to that. I don't know. It's it's
hard to think too hard about that without going down
like a conspiracy rab rabbit hole. But I mean this
White House, I mean most white has it been like this.
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Whye has in particular is definitely good at the misdirect
of being like hey, like and and they don't mind
because Trump is such a idiot, Like they don't mind
selling him out and making him look like an idiot
to distract from something actually sinister that is happening, right, Yeah.
But also the Milannia things just sort of played out
in a very organic way. It's like we haven't seen
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her in a long time. I think they're straight up
plagiarizing Shelly mis Cabbage. They're just like they're like, yeah,
this turns some heads back in the day, maybe we
could do a high. In my mind, I really just
think she is like burning out trying to like deal
with all that ship. I don't know. I feel like
there's also a version where she just doesn't was like Millennia,
will you come out to this and He's like, no,
(44:34):
not going anywhere anymore. Yeah, and then it just sort
of like after like weeks, you're like, damn, she didn't
showed up anywhere, and then people start speculating, and then
there's response. I don't know if they're like, Okay, is
what you gonna do. You can stay in the shadows,
you can be in the cut for five weeks, and
then people be like, where's Milannia, And then we can
use that to cause a distraction. Yeah, I think there's
around in a disguise. Like when Bono got into that
(44:55):
bike accident and they found out that Bono travels around
New York dressed as a rabbi, got into like a
near fatal biking accident, and they were like, weird, this
rabbi who got in this biking accident, as they were
putting him in the ambulance has a fake beard on
and this is a disguise and they pulled it off
and it was from you too, and he was like, yeah,
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this is how I get around, like without being mobbed
by people. He's like, yeah, where are you staying on
Broadway and East guitar say all right, we're gonna take
a quick break and we'll be right back, and we're
(45:39):
back and Bono's people, by the way, denying that he
was actually dressed. Yeah, they just got back to us.
That was quick. Yeah, they were really on that. Welcome
for texting, ban, thank you. I got Bond's number. Well,
I think everyone does. You have an iPhone? Hey, talk
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to Bono into his ship. Except for dressing like a
sidy jew and crash bike, he was in a disguise
of some sort. They're just denying that it was anything
religiously offense. But that was because you're seeing the Edge
joked that it was, and then there if they had
to be like, oh no, no, no was easy Edge.
That's a little that's a joke too. On the Edge.
You think I get to call him Edge? Or do
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you think it's always easy? The Edge? The Edge? I mean,
fuck you. If you're gonna bother yourself to have the
the in front of it, you better be beating, like
like if you see the weekend, you're like, what's up
the weekend? Right? You can be just like what's the weekend?
That would be weird. What's the Edge's real name? Look
that up? Damn David Howell Evans, Yeah, David Evans the
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Edge for he wrote a song on the Spider Man Musical.
I don't know why I know that? Oh did he
the Edge? Yeah, well I thought most of the music
was written by you two. Well the Edge got his
own song. Is the Edge the ring go of YouTube? No? No,
the Edge is the Lenin or McCartney of you two.
I don't care about I don't I don't know anything
(47:03):
about their process. I just think like, in terms of
public perception, he's the second most famous. Yeah, I don't
even know anybody. I only know Bono and The Edge, yea,
who the Fund is? Everybody else? I don't know. I
could be a bad YouTube fan, speaking speaking of celebrities
going around and disguises you guys. Uh, there's this new
Bill Clinton novel that he co wrote with James Patterson. Uh.
(47:27):
And he's going on book tour talking about that ship,
which is so crazy because when I first started hearing
about I was like, oh, he wrote a biography. And
then you're like, this is fiction. Yes, this is fiction. Cool,
but it is about a fictional president who is a
war hero whose wife dies immediately. Because this is worse.
(47:52):
This is worse than George W's paintings, and her dying
words are promise me you'll meet someone else. Jonathan for real.
She was a brilliant law student when she met Duncan.
His name is so fucking bad. It is Jonathan Lincoln
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Duncan Lincoln does this is just totally like ruining my impression.
I think that that's Bill Clinton. Like I personally view
myself to be duncan On Lincoln and Lincoln Duncan, so
they're not onto me. But there's he wouldn't realize that.
I feel like that's probably accurate. But he doesn't have
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the access to his own Uh, I don't know. He
doesn't seem self aware in the writing of this book
based on this store guys just so one of the
things he does, it's the book is called The President's Missing,
and there's some ship going down and he decides he
can't just stand by, so he goes out to his friend,
(48:57):
a beautiful Hollywood actress, and she gives him a disguise. No,
she gives him head, sanctioned by his wife, totally. His
wife's last words are, anyone can suck you off, and
you don't have to feel back. Remember you don't have to.
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Even if it was before I died, It's all good.
She does give him head in the sense that she
gives him a disguise, a head head and he goes
around fighting crime in a disguise, like a makeup disguise.
He does, Yes, could. I couldn't get past the part
(49:44):
when it was just sort of like it's about this
fictional president. But you're saying he becomes a superhero and
that's why the president is missing. So they're cyber terrorists, obviously,
cyber Hecker. Yeah, they want to take down America with
a looming internet virus that is called dark Ages. This
(50:05):
is why old men can't write about computers. Yeah, exactly.
Uh So he decides that the only person who can
stop this is him as president. No experience fighting's like,
I know I have windows, but this seems like a
job for me. Super producer on a Josane while we're
(50:26):
discussing this sent me a wonderful gift of President Clinton
sitting at a computer, looking at it and giving like
a like computers, I understand this. Score Browsers is doing
a free preview weekend um one of three d pinball rules.
(50:49):
One of Lincoln Duncan's female advisors was quote publicly branded
by a crude reference to oral sex. Volunteer yourself and
then he's seen, he's taken aback when he was on
this book tour and in NBC was like, hey, man,
so let's talk about the Lewinsky thing maybe, like do
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you have you apologized to her? I think you know
this interaction is and she goes, I've apologized to everybody
in the world, right he said, He said yes, and
was hoping like they would leave it at that, and
he was like, wait, so you've really like talk to
her when one and he was like, no, I not,
I apologized to everyone in the world, but I alog yeah,
And then he was like, I did a public apology.
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Um so yeah, it was just he he got real testy.
He was like, should JFK apologize to Lyndon Johnson? Apologize?
Like way to throw the other presidents under the but
but also, asshole, you wrote a book where your wife
died and it's cool to funk around now. And he
straight up murdered Hillary page three, Like there, what if
(51:54):
the book starts off on her deathbed like a breathing
machine can be heard right back? Just get the important
business out of the way. Also, he's president and awesome
at everything. Then the nurse came in and said, I'm
so sorry, do you want to hook up? You're so hot? Mr. President,
he said, I guess so my wife said it's cool
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she was gregnant. Uh, there as goofy, Like this story
is so like he is just so clueless and like,
of course he's volunteering himself for this question. How does
he not see it coming? But also it seems like
a kind of a common view among like men who
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have like done something like this to a woman. There's
a great piece, Monica Lewinsky wrote earlier. I think it
was this year in Vanity Fair that um that sort
of hearkens to this, but like that someone who is
like done wrong against a woman, apologizing publicly makes it
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so that you don't have to apologize privately, which is
so in like such an same thing. And I think
like even on a way smaller scale, like that thought
process prevails of like, well if I release a statement,
and that's basically the same thing as like most personal
acts possible, releasing a statement exactlyist. I mean, I like
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I've I had an experience like that myself where it's
just like I was never apologized to, but there was
like someone was like, hey, everybody, I did it, and
my bad. But it's just like that doesn't absolve you yet.
It's pr it's not it's not being a person. Sorry
that happens, you know, I'm I am certainly not alone
(53:37):
there the Yeah, that's kind of really heartbreaking here. Actually, uh,
just for him to even I think the logic that
he even uses, or maybe these men use, it's sort
of like, well, I apologize and they probably heard it.
Therefore it's a personal apology that I did publicly. I
looked into a camera and she was looking at the screen.
(53:59):
Then I would be looking into her eyes. So yes,
did I apologize? No? Do it I And it's like,
do I think that he does believe that? Yes, but
I also do believe that, you know, deep down he
knows he's being a fucking coward and has been a
coward for twenty years. That's why he gets testy when
people really press over. Here's what I think he is
(54:21):
the best example of the fact that you know, how
they say that the average intelligence and a cult is
actually above average, like they tend to be smarter, And
it's because smart people can argue themselves into believing anything.
I think Clinton is the perfect example of that, and
that he can argue himself into being right in any
(54:43):
situation because he's got this like incredible analytical, you know,
lawyer's mind, and so he's just I don't think he's
felt guilt about anything in years decades, And I was like, yeah,
I can write this book about killing people in my
super comb. So in this piece that Monica Lewinsky wrote,
(55:05):
it's interesting because she's talking about how at uh yeah
this came out in March. Uh. She's talking about how
around New Year's this past New Year's she ran into
Ken's Star at a restaurant and that was like the
first time she'd ever met him, and he like sort
of apologized to her, but it was very awkward, and
it's just like the fact that you have to accidentally
(55:25):
run into someone twenty years later to get a sort
of apology. And even then he was like, yeah, weird,
weird time, wasn't it, you know, and like still couldn't
fully commit to an apology. It's just like, yeah, I
mean it was crazy. Do you want some of my
bloomen onion. They were definitely at out back, for sure.
They were sure I picked your Ken's Star always in
(55:48):
an outback or Swizzler. I don't know, I feel like Chili,
although he's like it's Mark Monday, figure popping, get a
six dollar mark, and I really think about the ship
I've done in the uh. I do want to just
stop here and say that the Outback Steakhouse chicken wings
are good. Okay? Hashtag ada, hashtag ad hashtag we weren't
(56:10):
even paid for a hashtag where's my money? Out back Steakhouse.
I just want to hear from other people. I just
I felt like this was the perfect time to the
older I get, the crazier it is to me that
America turned on a twenty two year old girl like
(56:33):
so fucking young, insane, But that shows you how far
we've come to or like if someone tried to pull
that kind of ship now, people at least have most
people have the wherewithal to be like, whoa easy here?
What are you trying to say? How are you trying
to spend this on this person? Yeah? Right. I'm glad
that Clinton comes out of this one looking like a
fucking moron. And I hope no one buys his book. No,
(56:57):
just watch the clip will happen in the footnotes, because
you'll see him start sweating a little bit. I also
think that James Patterson, I believe, yes, James Patterson. So
he's written like a million books, but my favorite book
I so, I was saying, I used to work at
a bookstore and he rolled through once for the debut
of his book, Rogue Lawyer. It's maybe one of the
(57:18):
worst books of all time. Literally on the last page
it's like, I couldn't be a regular lawyer. I am
a rogue lawyer. I'm not like the other rogue lawyers.
Larry H. Parker story. I hope he says objection your
honor before shooting somebody at some point. Oh no, it's
John Grisham. Never mind Rogue Lawyer anyways, hattag ad Rogue
(57:42):
Lawyer came out. That is the John Grisham book that
you would write. Like once John Grisham just starts farming
it out to a ghostwriter who just knows that. All right,
what's the most John Grisham book you can write that
John Grisham hasn't written yet. A Rogue Lawyer pulled for
a word cloud yet exactly of fuck. In Better News,
(58:05):
an FBI agent accidentally shot a gun while doing a
back flip on the dance floor at a bar. And
it's a great video that everybody should just go out.
You got to watch it because yourself. This guy doing
a little stinky leg. He's like literally the dance floors
like cleared out for him to like just get low
with it. He's really you know, he has some honey
in his hips. I won't lie. This all happened about
(58:29):
on a Saturday night at the Mile High Spirits Distillery
and Tasting Bar in downtown Denver, and your boy, just
after he realized you got everybody's attended, he's doing all
his little thought. He moves, he does a back flip
and he's a fucking gun comes out and falls on
the floor and then he goes to pick it up.
The gun goes off and it hit it hit a
man in the leg. So man's gonna be fine, which
(58:52):
is why it is okay, who knows? I mean again,
And wasn't he like, oh my bad, Like the video
was like go off and he like puts it back
and he just sort of like put his hands in
like we're good, We're good. Like that backflip was crazy,
though anyone single here. By the way, one of the
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most irresponsible movie myths that we ever debunked it correct
is the idea that if you drop a gun. It goes,
it hits the ground, it will go off because the
way that guns like actually kill people when they fall
is if you try to catch it or try and
pick it up too quick because you're worried it's going
to go off and hit you actually, and then you
pull the trigger. The guns will not land on a trigger, right, yeah, exactly,
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And they're designed specifically not. It's all because of your
favorite director, James Cameron in True Lies, Yeah jam Camp,
when Jamie Lee Curtis come around with that oozy like
room full of people Crimson Ji Hot got bucked up.
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we were talking about on Friday, where cops have no game,
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right exactly. Cut to this like off duty FBI and
being like, let me do a backflip with a fucking
gun in my in my waist, like all right, chudder,
bob uh. Jamie as always, what a pleasure it's been
having you and I have the game whether yeah am
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me on Twitter dot com at Jamie Lofts Help and
on Instagram at Jamie christ Superstar. I highly recommend both
and listen to the Becktel cast every Thursday. Please do.
I highly recommend all three of those things. Miles where
can people fund you? You can find me on Twitter
and Instagram at Miles up Great, Thank you. You can
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one of Daily Sight Guy. Yeah, we're June fourth, two
thousand eight. Team my name is Jack O'Brien a ka
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And I am thrilled to be joined as always by
my co host Mr Miles Gray. Want something else, I'm
not listening when you Gray, So thank you. Yeah, there
we go. Dude did it? Dude? Thank you. Chapman Rice
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aka Goddess of Fun Fact. I ran into your buddy
zach O Yama, who's also a comedian out here in
l A. Someone you probably know him. Uh, And we
made a weird connection when someone came up and he said, hey,
someone who I think this is your podcast, which calls
with and ends up being Chapman right, so out to you.
So that makes us look really small time because then
it seems like we only have like five listeners, as
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you know who all of them are. It's so it's
kind of true. We are a second rate podcast. You
know that gang is very small. All right, we are
thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a
first time guest. I believe yes, she is uh the great,
one of the all time great Jamie low the Sorry,
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I would love to come on as the first time guest.
Characters you have Zamboni Girl, Little Zamboni Girl. Hi, guys, Hey,
how are you? I'm good? Thank you so much. I
don't have enough time to google things. It's like I
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was like, I don't know what. I haven't googled anything
in the past couple of days. I haven't had a
question um time. Thank you so much for filling in
for me. While I was out conducting my experiment. Did
you see Miles? People were speculating that we were hiding Jack,
like Trump is hiding people still don't know. This could
be one of those like voice modulator algorithms we created
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to sound like Jack. I've been really into AI and
I think I'm getting pretty good at it. So, I mean,
let's see how today goes. You're getting good at AI,
I'm getting good at coding. I'm like, so, how do
you define a ziet good at it? There's zeros. But
then also and people, a lot of people don't know
that this, there's also one. So I've just been doing
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zeros in the whole time. Well, I've created jackpots software.
There we go, alright, We're going to get into a
bunch of different stuff. We're gonna talk about the Kanye album,
the Supreme Court decision about cake that is currently the
biggest font I've seen Drudge use for a headline in
our time running this show. We're gonna talk about Trump's
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shamelessness as just an accidental strategy, Bill Clinton's new weird
book tour, lots of stuff. But before we get into
what the world is thinking about, we like to start
out by talking to our guest about what they specifically
are talking and thinking about and searching for. Jamie, what
are you searching for? Maybe we can broaden it for you,
just what are you searching for? And what am I
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searching for? In my life? I did Google over the
weekend several times. Zach Woods g Q photo shoot. Have
we all seen the Zachos g Q photos? It's I
was bedridden over the Zach Woods photo shoot. It is
absolutely beautiful. It's just all these pictures of Zach Woods
in the woods, he's fishing, he's on various rafts, and
(03:38):
you're just I was just like, I'm in full body
paralysis over the Zach Woods g Q photo shoot. Highly
recommend if you want to get horny on Monday. Wow.
I love that he has resting, weeping face. He really does.
I love it. Is the I forget the character's name
from Silicon Bell Jared Jared Silicon Valley. Yeah, one of
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the funniest dudes. He's He's the absolutely and what that dude,
I don't even know. I think I just want to
hang out with him. He just seems like a good
person to hang out with, just sort of based off
his like sort of low energy kind of I don't know.
I don't know. I feel like he's one of those
people that you talked to. He like knows a lot
(04:24):
about very specific things, right right right, Yeah, Like he
would probably, yeah, y'all would have a crazy conversation about
his zambody and yeah, I feel I feel like he
knows a lot about things I don't know. And then
I could tell him all about the history of Chuck
E Cheese, Yeah, which no one knows except me. I
am the keeper of the keys. And then the other
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thing I've been looking at because speaking of Chucky cheese
is I was getting back into Aaron Fector's YouTube channel
over the weekend. And Aaron Factor is the inventor of
the Chucky Cheese robots. He still lives in the warehouse
he created those robots in in Florida. He's the only
person who lives there now. He lives there with his wife,
and he programs the robots to sing songs about his wife.
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It is terrifying and beautiful and I recommend everyone looking
to his weird YouTube channel for robot And what did
he just like make a quick check when he created
the Chuck E Cheese band like mechanical band, and then
just it was downfall after that, it goes so deep.
He has such like he's the classic like genius who
cannot do business kind of guy because he invented whack
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a mole straight up slipped forgot to get the patent
he invented. Ad didn't get the patent on whac a Mole.
Blew it got like swindled by a carne who ended
up getting the patent to whack a mole. He blew it.
Then he's like Okay, let me just invent every animatronic
robot at Chuck E Cheese slipped again like just totally
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like blew his load and went wrecked. That business as
well used to have like three hundred employees in this
huge warehouse in Florida, and then like the business folded,
but he still has the warehouse and the robot that
the Chuck E Cheese robots like really is you know,
part of my childhood and like going up there and
even like I remember when people started like doing like
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sort of like robot dancing challenges. A lot of people's
like inspiration point was the Yeah, so I check out
his YouTube channel though he is still programming those bots.
I have a suggestion for his next career is just
have like a Halloween haunted house where he just like
takes very specific parts of the fur off, so it's
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just like the robot face or like a robot face.
It's full like five nights of Freddy's right. Yeah, to
help us, Jamie, what is something that's overrated? Overrated? Oh?
Have either of you read this book The War of
Art by Stephen Pressfield. It is like a book that
was recommended to me several times in the past week.
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It's one of those like self hope, like You're going
to be the greatest writer in the world if you
read this book. I would expand this overrated to eight
percent of self help books written by men because it is.
It is like the most aggross self help book I've
ever read in my life. Basically all casts in a
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sarafant two inch margins and like people I love and
respect were like, you gotta read it. And then it
was written in O two as well. So Stephen Pressfield,
like you know what, like seriously, he has a lot
of takes on nine eleven, like right after it happened.
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He said that the Holocaust was a result of procrastination.
He says a lot. He said that Lance arms Strong
was like the Pantheon of discipline and success because it
was two thousand. He said that Tiger Woods had great
discipline in his personal and professional life. He just says
(07:53):
all sorts of stuff. He's like, mental illness is caused
by you not doing your art. He's like, people who
get cancer are just procrastinating on being a genius. And
my favorite post, yeah, cancer is caused by blocked artistic Yes, cancer,
cancer and the Holocaust were caused by people, not just procrastinating.
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And then you're like, Hitler was like a blocked artist. Yeah,
that's his that he's and and he gets really cute
about it. He's like, listen, this is just my take.
But maybe if Hitler had stopped procrastinating on that painting,
the Holocaust wouldn't have freaking happen. And then you're like, wait,
what are his qualifications? And this is the best. His
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biggest success was he wrote the Legend of baggar Vance.
That's it, the racist golf movie, The Legend of baggar Van.
It's so that I'm so I spent fourteen dollars on
that pile of garbage. I'm so madding this to you
people I love. And then I likely no, like a
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family recommend, like a director. The director I work with
all the time was like, I read this book and
it stressed me out, but I think that that probably
is a good thing. Uh. An illustrator that I work
with a lot, it's yeah, if you see this book
or this book is recommended to you, it is. It
is just it is a crop of ship. It's really bad.
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Have you read The Artist's Way? I haven't no, written
by a woman and it. Have you ever heard of
like people doing morning pages where they like write freehand
for three pages every morning, just like so that's an
exercise from that book. And it's actually, I don't know,
I think it's a pretty decent book that doesn't sound
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like the worst thing at all. Yeah, it's not aggressive
and like, get I'm all for people like wanting to
better themselves. But it like went from like you should
write more to holocaust conspiracy theory very clearly. This book
about the world wants to stop your art. It's like
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some weird blasted out there. Like if you're not up
at four am writing your racist golf movie, you are
scumb You should try The Laws of Power. That's another
and that's worth reading because then you can like see
other people trying to use and you're like, yeah, you're so,
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you're so, you're so, like, hey, this is Hannah. I
just want to give you. Let you guys know how
I was raised. My father gave me The forty eight
Laws of Power when I was ten years old. I'm
not even joking. I have the book to this day
on my bookshelf and told me to read it and
learn from it. It's really interesting because that book had
a sort of cultural like peak where everything came together
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in the early two thousand's, like a Dov Charne was like,
this is the atheist's Bible, forty eight Laws of Power.
And also Fitty sent all about it and like claimed
that it like him his success and then like all
those people have like fallen off become monsters. Also, I
want to say he did. My dad also had a
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page of it photo copied and printed out and on
his wall in his office. So growing up, I'd always
see the thing about how you take credit for other
people's work. And one of his employees told me that
he was scared of my father because of it. That's
a real thing that happened in my life. No, it's
a book about that encourages you to fun people over power.
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But that and like how to win friends and influence
people is part of like I worked at a bookstore
when I first moved here, and it's just part of
like the the l a Fun Boys starter pack, like
like it was like that the Fat Jew book. God,
it's the last thing I'll say about the War of
Art by Stephen Pressfield. The worst book ever written is
that he like you know, he's like reject all critics.
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Anyone who criticizes you as jealous of you amazing. He
uses this example of like, if your wife is eight
months pregnant and is saying you're focusing on in your
art too much, she's wrong. And then and then he
was like, think about it. Leo Tolstoy had thirteen kids
and he wrote war in Peace. I was like, anyone
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could have thirteen kids, did they like he was? It
made me so mad, And as somebody who has worked
in sort of encouraging other creative people, like I think
you and I have both. Uh, this is a very
dangerous message to put out there because there are a
lot of people who want to be creatives and to
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the detriment of the rest of their life, who like
take it the wrong way and get into it for
the wrong reasons, and a message like that can be really,
really toxic. I'm all for self discipline, but it's like,
if you're especially like, you can't be creative unless you're
also having a life and have things to pull. So
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don't ignore your eight months pregnant wife. Stephen Pressfield child,
I'm surprised it just wasn't like, yeah, you're eight month
with brgnant wife. She's a hater, pick her up by
the head and put her in the trash like you're
just like Jesus Jamie. What's something that's underrated? Oh this
I'm very excited about. Um. There is a show on
Adult Swim right now called Joe Para Talks to You
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and you already done this one. I love this. The
last night's episode is like one of my favorite things
I've ever seen ever. I won't spoil it, but it's
about the character. Here's Baba O'Reilly for the first time,
and that is the whole episode. It's really really good.
Uh yeah, I think it's called Yeah Joe Parr reads
the church announcements, so everyone should watch it. So I
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think you have recommended this before, and then people started
recommending it to me and my Twitter mentions, so it's
but it's almost like, bro, we've already been on this
because of Yami Lofty exactly. Also, then we start talking
about conor'malley. I think does he write on it or
does he I think both? I think hilarious meeting. If
you guys can find look at Conromalley's old vine videos.
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You want to see some wild, crazy new York Ship. Yeah,
just one of the funniest dudes. All right. And finally,
what's a myth? What's something people think is true that
you know based on your personal experience? This is okay?
So this weekend? Okay? So I would say, I would
say this myth is that you should talk about things
that upset you in a public place. But I think
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this is true. I was with a friend from college
this weekend. We went to Denny's and I was talking
about the most public of places, the most public. We
were fully in the atwater Denny's, getting into the think
of it hadn't caught up in a while, and we
like gone on to this like I was basically just
like talking with her about one of the worst things
that had ever happened to me. And it was like
kind of an emotional conversation. And we were talking and
(14:48):
drinking coffee, and then all of a sudden, Who Let
the Dogs Out came on full blast in the restaurant,
and we just like looked at each other, like we
have to stop talking. This conversation is over inappropriate with
this music on, and I was like, I think I'm
actually over it now. So yeah, talk about talking about
(15:10):
your past traumas in Denny's, I think is my recommendation. Yeah,
because their their radio is wild. Maybe we'll have to
have that be a preloaded sound drop we do when
people start getting really like dark Ship, then sudden we
just nick hit it. Guys, I'm just talking about mine anyway.
You're like I was talking about how my father left,
(15:32):
and they're just like your should have remixed it. By
the way, the guy who wrote that song credits the
forty Laws of Power for giving him thence for it. Now,
I don't know, like nearly everybody in hip hop flouting
Kanye and jay z Drake everybody, Hey, speaking of hip
hop and Kanye, he released an album last week. Let's
(15:55):
get into what people are thinking of talking about right
now and the kind album I think you guys touched
on a little bit on Friday. We've had a weekend
to listen to it, and I think I don't know
our overall. My overall takeaway is that it's very uneven
and probably the worst thing he's ever done. Uh, but
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it also has really high highs. Like a lot of
his projects. Do I really like the first song, the
second and third or solid I really like ghost Town,
the song to his daughter about like how he doesn't
want her to be hot is the worst thing he's
ever done. It's like the rap version of one of
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those Matt Damon quotes that starts out as a father
of daughters, I understand crossed with one of those purity
ball events in the South where daughters promised their chastity
to their fathers. Which is is that the thing like
they It almost looks like a wedding sit It is
right like the father and daughter like like proclaimed to
each other. That's that's how bad the song is is
(17:02):
It reminded me of that, And then I just went
on a deep dive on like Wikipedia on on the
Chasti Ball and her purity Ball. Rather, it's really like
the It's realities version of American Pie and that it
seems like it's from five generations ago, but it was
fairly recent. Really Yeah, yeah, I guess that makes sense. Yeah,
(17:26):
what what did you find? Yeah? Yeah, bring us down
the Wikipedia. It's just this incredible article where it's like,
you know, this gray haired guy sitting next to They
just describe her as like a woman in a floor
length gown with her hair in an upd like seems
like a wedding for all intensive purposes. He pulls out
a ring like shows it to her and she starts crying. Yeah,
(17:50):
and then they're like yeah, and that daughter is seventeen
years old and that is his daughter, and they danced
together and they it's all sorts of beard and likekwardly
romantic in a way that I don't know. It's just
totally unself conscious about how creepy it is because they're
just claiming protectorship over their daughter's body. Yeah, and it
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also has the sort of the war of Art vibe
where it's like they declare war on things that shouldn't
be possible to declare war on. There's a quote from
this article. Pastor Randy Wilson takes the microphone and asks
the men, are you ready to war for your daughter's purity?
You're ready to kill for your daughter's tim Yeah, you're like,
(18:36):
never mind? Is she probably broke it on a bike
seat when she was younger? Find the man you kill.
The purity ball guidelines suggest that the daughters be just
old enough to have begun menstruating. Uh cool, something that
everyone should well yeah, because yeah, that those kindy lyrics
really are kind of like whoa man now that I
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think about my done daughter, like, yeah, men do some
gross stuff. And then like other songs are like about
him sucking other people that besides his wife and your Yeah,
that we should just do a universal like Kabash on
men being allowed to be like as a follower of daughters,
I understand where Like I was on the phone with
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my dad the other night and we were we were
sparring about sam be using the C word, and my
dad was like, I don't know. I mean, as your father,
I think that it's a pretty vile word. And then
in the middle he's like, oh, my teeth fell out.
Your opinion is invalid on teeth literally fell out while
(19:38):
you were saying I don't think people should use this
sewhere click there is something about because Rudy Giuliani, his
teeth always seem on the verge of falling out. I
feel like there's something about conservative politics and like your
teeth just wanting to escape from your head. I don't know.
My dad loses his teeth everywhere. It's very funny thing.
(19:59):
It It is a hockey thing to lose your teeth,
but your dad wasn't. My dad doesn't play hockey. He
just reports about it, which shouldn't so yeah, it's on him.
But the other day he's like, you know, I lost
my I lost my teeth and they were on top
of my Elvis Costello c D collection, which stacks so
(20:19):
high that you can't see it without a ladder. Um
Back to Kanye, So apparently the album was created like fully,
none of these songs existed before that TMZ interview always
sounds like yeah, well, and that's according to people who
have reported on the process. It was all like put
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together very quickly, which the thing that used to separate
his work from a lot of other people's work is
what a perfectionist he is. And this sounds rushed and
not that well thought through. And even the push of
the album that he produced like sounded it seven tracks
that you got the sense it was like they took
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the seven best tracks from like a collection of fifteen
and we're just like, we're just making it all killer,
no filler, whereas this just seems like the first seven
tracks of a bad Kanye album, very first drafty. You know,
we knew something was wrong with him based on his
public appearances over the last couple of months, and the
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album just kind of further shows that he's not in
the best place, especially to be creating, and he's still
saying the dumbest shit out loud on record. And I've
never come at the guy's music, but this is like
one of the first times I really feel sort of
a little bummed for him as a creator. I'm like,
damn you really just this sounds so all over the place.
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The first song I actually really like a lot, but
it goes all over the place from like silently being
like I thought about killing you to do it on
the bus or something. I got a out killing you
premeditated murder ah cps. Because also, who the funk is
(22:07):
he talking about when he's like I thought about killing you,
best believe that speculate. I assumed it was Kim, but
I ever heard stuff like that said on the bus
to the Glendale Galeria before. Yeah, you never want to
start off with something about yeah I thought about premeditated
murder into like impromptu humming. But that song like it
feels like two songs that could have been good, and
then just we're kind of all over the place because
(22:29):
then suddenly he's like, yeah, like I've been in some
bad places using the floor as ash Train. He's like,
it's a different set of rules that we obey. You're like, whoa,
it's the same song, Okay, right, Yeah, I don't know anyway,
It's it's one of those things I just I'll maybe
can only listen to like three of the songs on there,
but yeah, I don't know. I feel like he had
a chance to maybe do something slightly redeemable off the
(22:51):
back of all that dumb ship that he said, and
then he really does nothing to address that. Even when
he talks about the slavery was a choice thing, it's
just sort of like I told him she could have left,
but she so she's loyal. Yeah, it's like the worst
thing you could have done. It just kind of is
just like a weird, like literal Yeah, I just want
to shout out all my bipolar heads again because I
don't know, like he he makes a big deal about
(23:12):
his mental illness on this album. That's mostly what it's about,
and it and and you can sort of like hear
that thought process, and I don't know, it's it's weird
to hear someone in the thick of it making, you know,
releasing their first draft. Basically, I don't I'm interested in
how that like affects the mental health conversation, if at all.
But more than anything, it's like the way you see
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people responding to this album who were like two weeks ago,
they were like, he's dead to me, hate He's no, no,
he's canceled, he's done. Now they're like track two is
actually pretty good. I'm guilty of that. Interesting that that's
my jack Butt program. My beefs with him have always
been about his politics or what he does with his celebrity. Basically, yeah,
(23:58):
because I always said that even in the thick of
his dumb fuccory uh is that like it? That's why
I was so upset because he has made like an
album that I feel is one of the better hip
hop albums that's ever been made, and so no funny
pile and again, but it's it's one of those things too,
(24:18):
where it shows how invested people can be when they're like, well,
but I also got to find out. But at the
end of the day, this just further underlines how little
he knows about his own place or the world or whatever,
because it comes off so odd and like just tone
deaf and spots that I'm just was really like, look,
that's why. To me, it was just kind of like
I don't know, a lot of people on tour like, yo,
(24:38):
this is the greatest album, or other people like this
is great, this is the worst fucking now buck you
and people were like getting upset over it. To me,
I'm just sort of like, he made this album in
a week and he literally got flamed on TMZ and
his response is this, and it sounds like this sort
of like this impulsive thing that he did. So I
don't I don't know is he gonna want to count
this as one of his albums? Yeah, And I mean
none of the seven songs apparently existed back when he
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gave himself this self imposed deadline to release the album
last week, and then apparently he told Charlie Mane in
an interview that he completely reworked the songs after that
TMZ slavery was a choice thing. Wow, So not only
was like last minute album, like last minute do your
(25:23):
homework for him together? Yeah? Alright, Well sounds like that.
This is one point he makes where he refers to
himself in the third person and then from that transitions
into being able to like see outside of himself and
therefore being bipolar as a superpower, which I do think
that he didn't take it like that. You didn't take that.
I didn't know if it was that he was seeing
(25:43):
outside of himself. It was just sort of like I
think he called out his own narcissism in a way,
like he was clearly like maybe someone in therapy was like,
you see how you tend to do the third person,
you're narcissism. Because he's like, yeah, that's the third person.
He's like, wait, I heard that's my bipolar ship. I'm
sucking superhero. That's me trying to track his thought process,
(26:05):
which probably doesn't make sense. What do you think thinking
of looking at his bipolar disorder as a superpower? I well,
I don't speak behalf personally. How does that strike you?
I mean, it just seems a little bit like off
and and and that makes sense if you're in the
middle of a bipolar manic episode that you would see
things off. That's like what they're characterized by. But I
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don't know. I just it bums me out a little
bit that this is like, well, he's acting this way
because he's bipolar. He's acting it just I think kind
of oversimplifies a more complicated illness uh and and basically
just characterizes anyone who does have bipolar disease as like
someone who's completely unhinged and can't and just using the
(26:52):
bipolar to justify stuff he says in the media of like,
you know, being bipolar has never made me think that's
like Bray was a choice. Like there's other stuff at play,
and there's like more context and the fact that it's
being boiled down to like, well, he's going through a
bipolar manic episode. That seems like it's true, but there's
also like other stuff on yes, clearly, and just from
(27:15):
a public persona perspective, it seems like the parts of
him that have always like kind of captured people who
don't care about his arts attention, like his sort of rambling, uh,
you know, jumping on stage at awards shows, and just
basically you know, toxic narcissism, like that person is eating
(27:35):
like the creator on this album. You can almost hear
that happening. Yeah, And I think the lack of like
at least I haven't looked at all the credits, but
it seems like not many people were helping him with
the songwriting part, and that's always like a mark of
most of his albums. Yeah, I mean, anything that's that
rushed is going to be hard to not like this
second Rade podcast, right, that's right, all right, we'll bring
(27:58):
the heat. We're going to take a quick break. We'll
be right back. And we're back, and it is time
to talk about that Supreme Court decision seven to It
was a route for the conservative side on this decision
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that people have been talking about for years where a
baker in Colorado decided to not bake a cake for
a gay couple's wedding and then the Civil Liberties Department
or Colorado Civil Rights Commission basically told him he wasn't
allowed to make that decision. So, like I said, Drudge
(28:43):
is treating this as a huge victory for conservative politics,
conservative thought in general. Yeah, and it's not really the
case here. I mean, if you really like look at it,
because like the first thing that was going like as
you say seven to a lot of people like on
super right wing Twitter, we're like, that's a blowout because
a lot of people like when they look at the
(29:04):
New York Times or Watchington Posts, they say it was
a narrow decision, blah blah blah. These people like seven
to two is not narrow, my guy. But they're not
thinking in terms of how you describe a decision as
being narrow or broad in its applications and narrow case.
It is very narrow because it applies to this one instance. Uh.
And so to like, you know, be blowing up your
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LGBT rainbow cakes on your your mast head for your website, Uh,
it doesn't quite relate to what's actually happening with this case.
So the Dredge headline that's in the huge font is supremes,
which is what we're calling anymore. Uh, Supremes Colin, you
don't have to bake that cake, and then a big
picture of a rainbow cake. Uh. Which it's weird because
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when you click through on that article, it makes it
clear that the you and that headline is literally a
single individual human being. That's what they're saying is that
this one person didn't have to bake the cake because
of the way the Colorado Civil Rights Commission worded their
admonition of him, right, they were too strong in their wording,
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and it did you know, strike the seven of the
Supreme Court justices as implying sort of condemnation of his
religious and semantic thing right, Well, in Justice Kennedy in
his ruling, like he he writes that specifically what they
did in Colorado, like that's that's exactly what they're overturning.
Is like based on their handling of it. That's why
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we're saying he's allowed to do whatever he wants because
they sort of weaponized his religion against him because in
the ruling made in Colorado, they're like, you know, they
were sort of using the thing of like religious freedom
has been done in the name of all kinds of
horrible things and blah blah blah. And in that ruling
they said into that judge was making the ruling was
quote one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that
people can use. And that's what Kennedy kind of went
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on to, is like to describe their faith as despicable rhetoric.
You know, that's like to disparage his religion and therefore
blah blah blah. So I mean he was It's kind
of one of those rulings where everyone kind of takes
something home where people, if you're on the anti LGBT side,
you're gonna be like, you see, he was able to
do that that doesn't mean everybody who wants to discriminate
can do that. That's a whole other thing that will
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probably end up in the Supreme Court eventually. But also,
you know, this isn't exactly a blow to LGBT rights either,
even though seemingly on the surface it feels like that.
You know, Kennedy's opinion also shows ways that states can
enforce lgbt Q non discrimination laws without bumping into the
constitutional free speech kinds of things. That was what created
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this whole situation. Um, yeah, but it's yeah, I think
a lot of people are going to take what they
want to, especially you know, as you know, cultural wars
in full swing now. So I wish I mean, it's
like obviously we all wish it did on the other way.
But it does seem like a case of wording. Yeah,
well that's why a lot of there are a lot
of articles and they're like, Hi, this apply is literally
to this one person, this one man who six years
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ago too. This is like a originally was the cake
request they believe, Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, and this is
that long tick and I don't think they want to
hear another case like this for a minute. So we'll see.
But yeah, I mean the other thing is Kennedy did
reassert sort of the dignity that you know, gay people
should be treated with and all these other things. I
know in Justice Ginsberg's notes in her descent, she was
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just kind of talking about the line of reasoning that
was being used a little bit different because really, these
two people were being turned away because of their identity,
not because of a message that they wanted to put
on the cake, because they're like sort of on the
facts of it. They were talking about the messaging that
would be on the cake or whatever. So it's again,
it was like one of those decisions that luckily not broad,
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but kind of leaves everybody wanting a little bit more
to know, like where where are we really going to
fall on this? But yeah, I think there is maybe
this creeping narrative on the conservative side that they are
riding a on swell of Trump's got this North Korea
thing going, and now we've got this win in the
Supreme Court. So I think this is tying into a
broader overall narrative. So if you click through the headline
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that Drudge has there implying that the group the supremes
have said something about baking the cake. The article is
an ap article that specifically says in one of the
you know first ten paragraphs. But the justices did not
issue a definitive ruling on the circumstances under which people
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can seek exemptions from antidiscrimination laws and other like sort
of important claims raised in the case were completely left alone.
So they basically just ruled on a single individual case.
They just judged judy did They were just like in
this individual case we find for the would I think
(33:53):
handled it a little bit better? Like you're an idiot?
Diana Rosse would have made the cake? Yes? Would no? No, no,
she will let the other people do it. And then
in the back bank credit because we want the Diana
Ross was the least talented. It's true issue. She had
the sure of singing voice was not as good as
the rest of the group. That doesn't mean she wasn't
a great front person, but if we're talking purely off
quality of voice, I mean, look, don't at me, please,
(34:15):
don't burying that fire tape. Yeah, well too, what are
you gonna do? What are you gonna do? All right, now,
I want to talk about this sort of narrative of
Trump being on a winning streak. People are saying that
his popularity is surging because it's up I think two
percentage points into the low forties, which is good for
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him for so long. I do want to talk about
something that I think is powering this. I don't want
to get into that narrative of Trump is great at
his job. I do think that there's a way in
which he sucks at his job is actually making it
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possible for him to have those wins. And that is
just complete and utter shamelessness. And the thing that crystallized
this for me was the North Korea meeting and the
sending of the letter and where he came out strong
the meeting wasn't happening. We're calling it off because you've
mistreated us, and then immediately was willing to completely backtrack
(35:25):
on that, which seems weird. But I also think it's
worth noting that there's not a single president we've ever had.
I don't think who would be shameless enough to do that,
to just you know, be like that inconsistent. Yeah, just
just there's no logic, there's no reasoning, there's nothing, there's
(35:46):
no idea that he has to be this solid leader.
He's just whatever at the moment grabs him. It's it's
like playing out like I messages threat between him and
Kim John exactly, you don't come. I don't want to
see your ass and I'm sorry baby, okay with in
June twelve, Yeah, like yeah, and this could go either
like yeah, it's like a relationship between two like nineteen
(36:08):
year olds. Maybe that's what reality television. If anything, I
feel like this. The only possible positive spin on this
is that the people around Trump are getting better at
leveraging his weaknesses to make something good happen. He has
nothing to do with him as an individual. He's still
a fucking loser right for sure. But I don't know,
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do you think can you call the North Korea summit
a win at all at any point? Because I honestly
North Korea wins a lot more just by even getting
this summit then we do. Yeah, sure, maybe three prisoners
were like released, but aside from that, like you know,
there's a lot that North Korea gains, especially Kim John
Oon gains in the propaganda wars that he has not
(36:52):
been able to be seen legitimately, like you know, by
other powers because he hasn't met with like real world
leaders because they won't do it, and for him to
get this opportunity, like you know that picture is gonna
be on like on fucking T shirts already, Like they
love the envelope that he was holding when like the
ex spy chief of North Korea came to hand deliver
that letter to Trump over the weekend. What a weird
(37:13):
photograph look like it was photoshopped to make the envelope huge,
exactly his hand face. That could be genius strolling from
North Korea to They're like, Yo, get the biggest fucking
mbolm you can get to get the photo of him
holding it, so it looks his hands very uncanny Valley,
there's a polar express quality. It really looks like it
(37:34):
could have been designed by your guy from who designed
the chuck e cheese Like he he could be in
the Hall of President's shoutout factor. Yeah, that's a fair point.
And a lot of this sort of surging and you know,
Trump being seen in a slightly more favorable light could
easily just be that. The mainstream media narrative of holy shit,
(37:56):
this guy is constantly fucking up in such a total
suck up has just become exhausting we knew that was
going to happen eventually, that the mainstream media was gonna
be like, nobody wants to hear about him screwing up anymore. People.
People are in the mood for optimism, So don't pretend, oh,
like he totally fucked up and so good that we're
(38:17):
in a war. I don't know how at that point
what you do? I mean, you got to keep the
pressure on him, and people have to remember how bad
he is because for exactly the reason that people become
like Apathel set in and then this will become totally normal.
And next thing you know, we have even more white
supremacists and nazi fucking candidates running for office, and people
want to put them on CNN, like, yeah, let's hear
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this guy out. He says, African Americans have I accused
twenty points. Get the funk? What the funk is going on? Yeah, So, anyway,
I guess the pressure. My only thought with the North
Korea thing is that the difference between now and in
the past is that they do have intercontinental ballistic missiles
that can potentially reach America now, and I think other
presidents I have been more in keeping with general military
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strategies of like being hard line and maybe not meeting
with him, and he's just so fucking thirsty for a
win and shameless that he will call off the meeting
and then be like, no, I never called off the meeting.
You called off the meeting. You're an idiot. You're lying.
Moving on. And another shameless thing that he's doing that
I definitely don't think is seen as a win, but
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it just is. Another example of just staggering shamelessness is
he and his lawyers are laying the groundwork for him
to pardon himself. It's crazy though, too, like they were
really there, like whoa, he is the embodiment of the law,
therefore he cannot obstruct it. It's really and you know
that's going to be like an event. Oh yeah, he lf,
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I hope he pardons himself as if he is a turkey,
the smaller version of himself. And he's like it's or
like normally when he pardons a turkey, he's like, and
today I will pardon myself President Donald Trump. Ha ha
ha I am god. Yeah, but so's if we approach
it like the turkey, it's like, okay, we pardon you.
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But it's still okay, for you to be killed at
eton this way they talk about like their their logic
about him basically saying, well, I can't obstruct because I
am The law is saying, quote, the Constitution leaves no
question that the president has executive authority over the ultimate
conduct and disposition of all criminal investigations and over those
executive branch officials responsible for conducting those investigations. Thus, as
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set forth more fully below, as a matter of law
and common sense, the president cannot obstruct himself or subordinates
acting on his behalf. Yeah, okay, And a lot of
the shamelessness is just him knowing that he has a
portion of the population that will support him no matter what.
Because well, also people who are like the Constitution. If
(40:55):
you read that ship, you would understand that this is
basically the antithesis of what the people were trying to
do when they wrote the Constitution. Yeah yeah, And also
just laws of human society, like the pope can't even
pardon himself, No kings like so many throughout the history
of the world, so many kings have been deposed and
like beheaded and right, you know, that's just not a
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thing you ever give. Even people with absolute authority the
power to do like you can't just be like and
I hereby treat myself as the convict in question and
give myself an excuse. It just doesn't. This is just
like more high level trolling, like what what that? And
just he shows you. I mean, it's heat. No, this
(41:40):
is clearly you don't have to start talking like this.
You know, you're trying to inoculate your base into being like, hey,
I'm just letting you know. When I do this and
people act like I can't do it, you can point
to this letter saying why I pardon myself because if
things look increasingly more and more difficult for him, sounds
like democracy to me. Yeah right, I mean like, yeah,
I think and many people, like people have always said
(42:02):
throughout this whole thing, none of his actions are the
actions of an innocent person. And I don't think anyone
has any question that there's some some kind of ship
went down. We don't know to what extent, But this
just smacks of just guilt and doing whatever you have
to to to avoid responsibility. If you had any self
awareness about whether or gave a ship, whether you appeared
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guilty or innocent, you would not even broach the subject
of pardoning yourself. Weirdly, Giuliani on the Sunday Shows yesterday
was like, and he would probably be immediately impeached, So
we were not even raising the issue of that. But
he could. But he could if he wanted, because that's
like random, He's still trying to like play the reason
(42:46):
card where it's like, of course he would, because that
would upend the constitution and full blown constitutional cris Do
you guys think you said high high level trolling. I
had this specific thought when I was listening to you
guys last week talk about the Milannia thing that it
almost seems do you think there's anyone in that organization
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who is sort of programming the mainstream media and social
media to focus on these other like stupid bullshit problems.
And because the Milannia thing is so weird and so specific,
like that she's not appearing in the media, and then
they put out that statement where it was clearly written
by Trump and it was almost intentionally seems like it
(43:31):
could have been intentionally suspicious. Do you think there's any
chance that they're just doing this too, you know, force
the opposition to burn calories? No, I mean I think
that there's something to that. I don't know. It's it's
hard to think too hard about that without going down
like a conspiracy rab rabbit hole. But I mean this
White House, I mean most white has it been like this.
(43:52):
Whye has in particular is definitely good at the misdirect
of being like hey, like and and they don't mind
because Trump is such a idiot, Like they don't mind
selling him out and making him look like an idiot
to distract from something actually sinister that is happening, right, Yeah.
But also the Milannia things just sort of played out
in a very organic way. It's like we haven't seen
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her in a long time. I think they're straight up
plagiarizing Shelly mis Cabbage. They're just like they're like, yeah,
this turns some heads back in the day, maybe we
could do a high. In my mind, I really just
think she is like burning out trying to like deal
with all that ship. I don't know. I feel like
there's also a version where she just doesn't was like Millennia,
will you come out to this and He's like, no,
(44:34):
not going anywhere anymore. Yeah, and then it just sort
of like after like weeks, you're like, damn, she didn't
showed up anywhere, and then people start speculating, and then
there's response. I don't know if they're like, Okay, is
what you gonna do. You can stay in the shadows,
you can be in the cut for five weeks, and
then people be like, where's Milannia, And then we can
use that to cause a distraction. Yeah, I think there's
around in a disguise. Like when Bono got into that
(44:55):
bike accident and they found out that Bono travels around
New York dressed as a rabbi, got into like a
near fatal biking accident, and they were like, weird, this
rabbi who got in this biking accident, as they were
putting him in the ambulance has a fake beard on
and this is a disguise and they pulled it off
and it was from you too, and he was like, yeah,
(45:16):
this is how I get around, like without being mobbed
by people. He's like, yeah, where are you staying on
Broadway and East guitar say all right, we're gonna take
a quick break and we'll be right back, and we're
(45:39):
back and Bono's people, by the way, denying that he
was actually dressed. Yeah, they just got back to us.
That was quick. Yeah, they were really on that. Welcome
for texting, ban, thank you. I got Bond's number. Well,
I think everyone does. You have an iPhone? Hey, talk
(45:59):
to Bono into his ship. Except for dressing like a
sidy jew and crash bike, he was in a disguise
of some sort. They're just denying that it was anything
religiously offense. But that was because you're seeing the Edge
joked that it was, and then there if they had
to be like, oh no, no, no was easy Edge.
That's a little that's a joke too. On the Edge.
You think I get to call him Edge? Or do
(46:19):
you think it's always easy? The Edge? The Edge? I mean,
fuck you. If you're gonna bother yourself to have the
the in front of it, you better be beating, like
like if you see the weekend, you're like, what's up
the weekend? Right? You can be just like what's the weekend?
That would be weird. What's the Edge's real name? Look
that up? Damn David Howell Evans, Yeah, David Evans the
(46:43):
Edge for he wrote a song on the Spider Man Musical.
I don't know why I know that? Oh did he
the Edge? Yeah, well I thought most of the music
was written by you two. Well the Edge got his
own song. Is the Edge the ring go of YouTube? No? No,
the Edge is the Lenin or McCartney of you two.
I don't care about I don't I don't know anything
(47:03):
about their process. I just think like, in terms of
public perception, he's the second most famous. Yeah, I don't
even know anybody. I only know Bono and The Edge, yea,
who the Fund is? Everybody else? I don't know. I
could be a bad YouTube fan, speaking speaking of celebrities
going around and disguises you guys. Uh, there's this new
Bill Clinton novel that he co wrote with James Patterson. Uh.
(47:27):
And he's going on book tour talking about that ship,
which is so crazy because when I first started hearing
about I was like, oh, he wrote a biography. And
then you're like, this is fiction. Yes, this is fiction. Cool,
but it is about a fictional president who is a
war hero whose wife dies immediately. Because this is worse.
(47:52):
This is worse than George W's paintings, and her dying
words are promise me you'll meet someone else. Jonathan for real.
She was a brilliant law student when she met Duncan.
His name is so fucking bad. It is Jonathan Lincoln
(48:14):
Duncan Lincoln does this is just totally like ruining my impression.
I think that that's Bill Clinton. Like I personally view
myself to be duncan On Lincoln and Lincoln Duncan, so
they're not onto me. But there's he wouldn't realize that.
I feel like that's probably accurate. But he doesn't have
(48:36):
the access to his own Uh, I don't know. He
doesn't seem self aware in the writing of this book
based on this store guys just so one of the
things he does, it's the book is called The President's Missing,
and there's some ship going down and he decides he
can't just stand by, so he goes out to his friend,
(48:57):
a beautiful Hollywood actress, and she gives him a disguise. No,
she gives him head, sanctioned by his wife, totally. His
wife's last words are, anyone can suck you off, and
you don't have to feel back. Remember you don't have to.
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Even if it was before I died, It's all good.
She does give him head in the sense that she
gives him a disguise, a head head and he goes
around fighting crime in a disguise, like a makeup disguise.
He does, Yes, could. I couldn't get past the part
(49:44):
when it was just sort of like it's about this
fictional president. But you're saying he becomes a superhero and
that's why the president is missing. So they're cyber terrorists, obviously,
cyber Hecker. Yeah, they want to take down America with
a looming internet virus that is called dark Ages. This
(50:05):
is why old men can't write about computers. Yeah, exactly.
Uh So he decides that the only person who can
stop this is him as president. No experience fighting's like,
I know I have windows, but this seems like a
job for me. Super producer on a Josane while we're
(50:26):
discussing this sent me a wonderful gift of President Clinton
sitting at a computer, looking at it and giving like
a like computers, I understand this. Score Browsers is doing
a free preview weekend um one of three d pinball rules.
(50:49):
One of Lincoln Duncan's female advisors was quote publicly branded
by a crude reference to oral sex. Volunteer yourself and
then he's seen, he's taken aback when he was on
this book tour and in NBC was like, hey, man,
so let's talk about the Lewinsky thing maybe, like do
(51:12):
you have you apologized to her? I think you know
this interaction is and she goes, I've apologized to everybody
in the world, right he said, He said yes, and
was hoping like they would leave it at that, and
he was like, wait, so you've really like talk to
her when one and he was like, no, I not,
I apologized to everyone in the world, but I alog yeah,
And then he was like, I did a public apology.
(51:34):
Um so yeah, it was just he he got real testy.
He was like, should JFK apologize to Lyndon Johnson? Apologize?
Like way to throw the other presidents under the but
but also, asshole, you wrote a book where your wife
died and it's cool to funk around now. And he
straight up murdered Hillary page three, Like there, what if
(51:54):
the book starts off on her deathbed like a breathing
machine can be heard right back? Just get the important
business out of the way. Also, he's president and awesome
at everything. Then the nurse came in and said, I'm
so sorry, do you want to hook up? You're so hot? Mr. President,
he said, I guess so my wife said it's cool
(52:14):
she was gregnant. Uh, there as goofy, Like this story
is so like he is just so clueless and like,
of course he's volunteering himself for this question. How does
he not see it coming? But also it seems like
a kind of a common view among like men who
(52:35):
have like done something like this to a woman. There's
a great piece, Monica Lewinsky wrote earlier. I think it
was this year in Vanity Fair that um that sort
of hearkens to this, but like that someone who is
like done wrong against a woman, apologizing publicly makes it
(52:55):
so that you don't have to apologize privately, which is
so in like such an same thing. And I think
like even on a way smaller scale, like that thought
process prevails of like, well if I release a statement,
and that's basically the same thing as like most personal
acts possible, releasing a statement exactlyist. I mean, I like
(53:17):
I've I had an experience like that myself where it's
just like I was never apologized to, but there was
like someone was like, hey, everybody, I did it, and
my bad. But it's just like that doesn't absolve you yet.
It's pr it's not it's not being a person. Sorry
that happens, you know, I'm I am certainly not alone
(53:37):
there the Yeah, that's kind of really heartbreaking here. Actually, uh,
just for him to even I think the logic that
he even uses, or maybe these men use, it's sort
of like, well, I apologize and they probably heard it.
Therefore it's a personal apology that I did publicly. I
looked into a camera and she was looking at the screen.
(53:59):
Then I would be looking into her eyes. So yes,
did I apologize? No? Do it I And it's like,
do I think that he does believe that? Yes, but
I also do believe that, you know, deep down he
knows he's being a fucking coward and has been a
coward for twenty years. That's why he gets testy when
people really press over. Here's what I think he is
(54:21):
the best example of the fact that you know, how
they say that the average intelligence and a cult is
actually above average, like they tend to be smarter, And
it's because smart people can argue themselves into believing anything.
I think Clinton is the perfect example of that, and
that he can argue himself into being right in any
(54:43):
situation because he's got this like incredible analytical, you know,
lawyer's mind, and so he's just I don't think he's
felt guilt about anything in years decades, And I was like, yeah,
I can write this book about killing people in my
super comb. So in this piece that Monica Lewinsky wrote,
(55:05):
it's interesting because she's talking about how at uh yeah
this came out in March. Uh. She's talking about how
around New Year's this past New Year's she ran into
Ken's Star at a restaurant and that was like the
first time she'd ever met him, and he like sort
of apologized to her, but it was very awkward, and
it's just like the fact that you have to accidentally
(55:25):
run into someone twenty years later to get a sort
of apology. And even then he was like, yeah, weird,
weird time, wasn't it, you know, and like still couldn't
fully commit to an apology. It's just like, yeah, I
mean it was crazy. Do you want some of my
bloomen onion. They were definitely at out back, for sure.
They were sure I picked your Ken's Star always in
(55:48):
an outback or Swizzler. I don't know, I feel like Chili,
although he's like it's Mark Monday, figure popping, get a
six dollar mark, and I really think about the ship
I've done in the uh. I do want to just
stop here and say that the Outback Steakhouse chicken wings
are good. Okay? Hashtag ada, hashtag ad hashtag we weren't
(56:10):
even paid for a hashtag where's my money? Out back Steakhouse.
I just want to hear from other people. I just
I felt like this was the perfect time to the
older I get, the crazier it is to me that
America turned on a twenty two year old girl like
(56:33):
so fucking young, insane, But that shows you how far
we've come to or like if someone tried to pull
that kind of ship now, people at least have most
people have the wherewithal to be like, whoa easy here?
What are you trying to say? How are you trying
to spend this on this person? Yeah? Right. I'm glad
that Clinton comes out of this one looking like a
fucking moron. And I hope no one buys his book. No,
(56:57):
just watch the clip will happen in the footnotes, because
you'll see him start sweating a little bit. I also
think that James Patterson, I believe, yes, James Patterson. So
he's written like a million books, but my favorite book
I so, I was saying, I used to work at
a bookstore and he rolled through once for the debut
of his book, Rogue Lawyer. It's maybe one of the
(57:18):
worst books of all time. Literally on the last page
it's like, I couldn't be a regular lawyer. I am
a rogue lawyer. I'm not like the other rogue lawyers.
Larry H. Parker story. I hope he says objection your
honor before shooting somebody at some point. Oh no, it's
John Grisham. Never mind Rogue Lawyer anyways, hattag ad Rogue
(57:42):
Lawyer came out. That is the John Grisham book that
you would write. Like once John Grisham just starts farming
it out to a ghostwriter who just knows that. All right,
what's the most John Grisham book you can write that
John Grisham hasn't written yet. A Rogue Lawyer pulled for
a word cloud yet exactly of fuck. In Better News,
(58:05):
an FBI agent accidentally shot a gun while doing a
back flip on the dance floor at a bar. And
it's a great video that everybody should just go out.
You got to watch it because yourself. This guy doing
a little stinky leg. He's like literally the dance floors
like cleared out for him to like just get low
with it. He's really you know, he has some honey
in his hips. I won't lie. This all happened about
(58:29):
on a Saturday night at the Mile High Spirits Distillery
and Tasting Bar in downtown Denver, and your boy, just
after he realized you got everybody's attended, he's doing all
his little thought. He moves, he does a back flip
and he's a fucking gun comes out and falls on
the floor and then he goes to pick it up.
The gun goes off and it hit it hit a
man in the leg. So man's gonna be fine, which
(58:52):
is why it is okay, who knows? I mean again,
And wasn't he like, oh my bad, Like the video
was like go off and he like puts it back
and he just sort of like put his hands in
like we're good, We're good. Like that backflip was crazy,
though anyone single here. By the way, one of the
(59:15):
most irresponsible movie myths that we ever debunked it correct
is the idea that if you drop a gun. It goes,
it hits the ground, it will go off because the
way that guns like actually kill people when they fall
is if you try to catch it or try and
pick it up too quick because you're worried it's going
to go off and hit you actually, and then you
pull the trigger. The guns will not land on a trigger, right, yeah, exactly,
(59:39):
And they're designed specifically not. It's all because of your
favorite director, James Cameron in True Lies, Yeah jam Camp,
when Jamie Lee Curtis come around with that oozy like
room full of people Crimson Ji Hot got bucked up.
I think that that that video goes perfectly with what
we were talking about on Friday, where cops have no game,
(01:00:00):
right exactly. Cut to this like off duty FBI and
being like, let me do a backflip with a fucking
gun in my in my waist, like all right, chudder,
bob uh. Jamie as always, what a pleasure it's been
having you and I have the game whether yeah am
I right? Where can people find you? You can find
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me on Twitter dot com at Jamie Lofts Help and
on Instagram at Jamie christ Superstar. I highly recommend both
and listen to the Becktel cast every Thursday. Please do.
I highly recommend all three of those things. Miles where
can people fund you? You can find me on Twitter
and Instagram at Miles up Great, Thank you. You can
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find me at Jack Underscore O'Brien on Twitter. Can find
us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. We're at the Daily
Zeicheist on Instagram. We have Facebook camp page and a
website Daily's at guys dot com where we post our
episodes and Darren we link off to the information that
we talked about today's episode, as well as the song
that we ride out on My up second It Okay.
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So over the weekend, I was talking to some people
when they put me on to this band Home Shake,
which I kind of heard about because it's like a
solo project of Mac DeMarco's former guitar players Guy Peter
h So this is a track from home Shake called
give It to Me and I think you're gonna like it.
I think you're gonna think you're gonna enjoy it. This
still jam coming out of Canada, you know, Scott Scott vibes.
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