Zeit of Passage: The McCloskeys, Reddit, Chris Pine, Supreme Court

On this edition of Zeit of Passage Jack and DJ Danl discuss the couple in St Louis brandishing assault weapons, Reddit has banned several subreddits, Chris Pine was seeing wearing a mask and buying books, and Supreme Court has struck down restrictions on Abortion Clinics!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of Zeit
of Passage. I'm Jack O'Brien. That's DJ Daniel Goodman. Happened Daniel?
What is going on? Sir? Oh you tell me? Oh,
same old, same old, baby, Really you tell me? Because
I have not been following the trend um just finding

(00:21):
out about these McCloskey people, Mark and pat McCloskey. I
was I had the boys buy meself over the weekend,
so I was having my head down in trains and diapers.
Sounds about the usual. Yeah, yeah, just for me, even

(00:42):
when I'm not around the kids. Uh so, uh yeah,
let's talk about I guess MS thirteens trending, Matt gets
his trending, Mark and Patricia mccloss gear trending. What's happening?
All kind of related to the same thing. So during
a protest in St. Louis, Missouri, a couple of days ago,
um people were marching through a gated community and this couple,

(01:05):
the mcclass keys, decided to come out of their homes
brandishing a what looked like an M sixteen and like
a twenty two handgun or something like that and basically
threatening people, being like get off our property or we're
gonna shoot you. And you know, some things to note. Yes,
Missouri does have standard ground laws, and they are within
their right to defend their property with deadly weapons. On

(01:27):
the other hand, people on their property, right, bingo. That's
the other thing. These people were walking on their property.
They were walking on the sidewalk in front of their house,
which is completely legal. I think another big concern here
is from you know, people who are guns rights activists
and gun safety advocates, people like our good friend, you know,
Robert Evans, would look at what they were doing and

(01:47):
describe their behavior as awful, awful gun handling. One of
the main rules is don't keep your finger on the trigger,
don't point your gun at anybody like These are very
simple rules. And half the time that you look at
these videos was the dude Mr McCloskey is pointing the
gun at his wife, and worse, the wife not on purpose,
just like incidentally, just incidentally, right carelessly pointing the gun. Yeah,

(02:12):
at one point she grabs the barrel of the gun too.
So here's the thing, is they based on nothing. I'm
just finding out about this. Looking looking at the pictures,
I feel like I'm watching a couples sexual ritual of
some sort like that. They're like that there's something they're
getting out of this that's below the surface, because they

(02:34):
just like go out there and stand shoulder to shoulder
and just start pointing the guns. I don't know, I
don't know if they were like shouting things, so maybe
it was more hateful, but but it looks like they're
like getting something out of it more than just uh,
you know, being menaces. Oh, most certainly. I mean it's

(02:55):
you know, it's these these people are really angry about
nothing and are trying their best to show it with
these very weird displays of force. It's it's sad. It's
very sad. Yeah, I mean it's the when you look
at those gun magazines, they are people just itching. They're
like they want somebody to uh break and enter into

(03:17):
their home so bad so that they can use their
gun on them. Like they all the ads for guns
are like be the die hard guy, like you you're
gonna they're not gonna know what hit him when they
come for you and your family with this like orange
assault weapon or you know, it's just they're itching, like

(03:38):
they're so uh again, I go back to like arousal.
There's something that seems to be uh like deeply uh
exciting to them in a in a I don't know,
in ways that aren't just you know, but like with
Robert he when he Robert Evans he when you talked

(04:00):
about guns, it's like with a grim sense of like necessity.
And with folks, uh like these folks and a lot
of the other gun people who are so careless with guns,
it just seems like they've connected it to some part
of their being that it should not be connected to.

(04:20):
It's gonna people are gonna get hurt. Yeah. I also
think especially with Robert and also a fellow hosted behind
the police propaganda, they both describe a reverence and a
respect for you know, the power and the creation and
this and just like the engineering of these devices in general,
Like you know, there it is we have spent so

(04:40):
much time researching and developing weapons of war that there
is something incredibly impressive about how powerful and strong and
how much respect these weapons deserve. And to see that,
and it's strictly from like the engineering standpoint, not necessarily
from the advertising standpoint, but just like seeing that's so

(05:02):
disrespected and so ignored all of the safety precautions all
of that. Like they're giving every gun on or a
bad name with that kind of image, and it's you know,
it's bad, it's bad. They suck. Yeah, I mean you
should be as reverent towards guns as you are towards
human life, because I mean, they take human life. They

(05:23):
guns are a button you can press that removes a
human life from the planet. Uh. Sorry, but you were
saying that there's something with brandishing laws. What is that?
Brandishing is pointing your weapon in a threatening manner or
handling your weapon in a threatening manner towards someone else.
That is brandishing, and uh, there are laws against that

(05:46):
in Missouri. The the you know, the most recent. Now,
if the state code is updated in the past like
two weeks, maybe I'm wrong, But for the most recent
codes that I can see, brandishing a deadly weapon or
handling a deadly weapon in threatening manner to somebody is
brandishing and it is against the law. And it does
not like, it does not fall understand your ground if

(06:06):
these people aren't on your property, yeah, which they won't.
But I mean, to be fair, like, how are we
supposed to expect Mark and Patricia to have any awareness
of what's legal and not people. It's not like, oh
they're they're both attorneys. Okay, they had to pass the bar. Interesting,

(06:27):
all right, yikes. Reddit is trending because it banned both
are the Donald. Uh some would argue that was will
overdo and also our Choppo trap House, which is a
place that I have been and enjoyed on Reddit. Um,

(06:49):
what's your what's your take on this? Why? Why is
Chappo trap House getting banned? Is this just like straight
up both sides of them? I mean, I think, you know,
it's it's definitely a little bit of I think it's
a necessary action of all things being equal, and that
the kind of hate that the Donald subredit insights is

(07:12):
far more straight up on the surface hatred, and I
think the kind of hatred that the Choppo trap House
subredit insights is similar to. There used to be a
subredit called Punchable Faces, and it was just a subredit
of people people hate. Similarly, there was a subreddit called
fat people Hate for a long time where it was
simply a place to hate on people who were overweight

(07:35):
and those things. While you know, they all fall into
this category of like inciting anger towards a group of
people because of a disagreement of ideals. While while the Donald,
like I said, is significantly more on the surface, it's
hard to look at some of the posts on our
Dropo trap house and think that they're not inciting violence

(07:56):
against people. Interesting. Yeah, I I was more much more
selective about my youth that and just checked out the
occasional post when it's point of I mean, most of
the posts are just like related to the podcast. It's
just like podcast reviews and memes about the podcasts and
stuff like that, and so you know, I'm a fan
of the podcast. I mean, Reddit in general, it builds

(08:17):
itself as the front page of the Internet. Um, I
feel like it's more the front page of the Internet
that a certain type of white person pays attention to.
I mean, I think that's certainly not far off. It's
you know, as it grows as a community. I mean,
I'll say this, it's kind of like defined by what

(08:39):
really controls the front front page of Reddit are slash all,
which is the most popular posts. And while there are
tons of communities on Reddit, there are so many, so
many awesome, awesome communities on Reddit. It also happens to
be filled with white nationalists, alt right people, you know,
people who are using bots, tons of Ushan bots. If

(09:00):
you ever look at any post about Donald Trump, there
are hundreds and hundreds, sometimes thousands of down voted comments
or just like deleted comments that are the exact same
thing over and over. Because while it's you know, it's
a site that can be corrupted with just you know,
view boding essentially or botting on mass up voting stuff,
and so you know, it is not it is far

(09:21):
from being safe to the terrors of you know, Internet
trolls and you know, people who want to agitate. Right,
it is basically the Internet, and so it's basically it
is basically it is basically the Internet, and unfortunately people
take advantage of the Internet a lot. Yeah, uh, let's
uh join our recurring segment Chris round up the number

(09:45):
one Chris's the who's dropped in their Chris rankings. So
a couple of Chris stories. Jim from the office not
a Chris, but it seems like you should be. But
Chris Pine is that who is has become number one.
Chris and our sister podcast host h Dana's estimation Danish Swartz. Indeed, Yes,

(10:10):
Chris Pine has shot up the rankings. Similar to Tom
Hardy's example of being a responsible human being wearing gloves
and a mask to go shopping to buy a delicious baguette.
Chris Pine has joined the ranks of incredibly relatable and
awesome celebrities by showing up at Skylight Books and coming
out with a huge stack of fresh reading material and
wearing a mask, making fun of paparazzi in the meantime.

(10:32):
It was like a triple threat of Oh, this is
a good dude right here. So Chris Pine jumping up
in the rankings, taking fellow Chris Chris Evans spot wow
your face Chris Evans moving down in the rankings. Chris Nolan.
Christopher Nolan, apparently Anne Hathaway, said that he does not

(10:53):
allow chairs on his movie sets because if you're sitting,
you're not working, uh we, which is the British equivalent
of the awful boss. If you can, if you lean,
you can clean, If you can lean you can clean
type thing. Very I don't know that it's British. I

(11:14):
don't want to blame Britain for that. That's just Christopher
Nolan being a dick, like any bad boss you've ever had, uh,
or like me to my kids the weekend. Look they
need all you can clean that wall? Wonderful Uh. And

(11:38):
then big news, Uh. The Supreme Court earlier today struck
down the illegal abortion restrictions that uh, we're so basically
local southern conservative politicians and judges had pushed through legislation

(11:58):
that was like blatantly illegal under current precedent in order
to get other activists right wing judges to pass it
through so that it can make it to the Supreme Court,
with the hopes that our current like far right wing
executive branch would have approved enough far right wing justices

(12:22):
that they could, you know, send the country back to
the nineteen fifties. But you know, the Supreme Court, Supreme
Court is basically like the opinion section of America. Uh.
And in a five four opinion, John Roberts was like, no,
first of all, the thing they had just rolled on

(12:43):
something like I think three or four years ago, saying
that this sort of thing would not fly. Uh. And
he actually had to switch over to the progressive side
to keep in line with that. But now that he's
the Chief Justice, there's a little more. He's sort of
in charge of the overall direction, and so you know,

(13:07):
conservatives have to be wondering why this keeps happening to them,
like a conservative activist justice becomes the chief and suddenly
they're siding with the liberals. But I assume it's because
when you're the final vote, you start to look at
like what the rest of the society looks like and
how it was world. Yeah, like it's you would have

(13:32):
to like, you know, it would if he upheld the law,
he would have been out of step with the direction
that our society and society in general has been moving,
like the long arc of the universe is Martin Luther
King Jr. Said So, um, yeah, it's he he did

(13:53):
the obvious thing. But we should be happy that he
did because the alternative is horrifying. Um, but uh yeah,
the bar is so frighteningly low. Yeah. We will at
least we will at least be pleased when that extremely
low bar is met. So thankful for that at the

(14:14):
very least. Yeah, and thankful for the women of Louisiana
who won't only have one place where they can uh yeah,
we'll get reproductive healthcare. Um, And you know, I'm I'm
sure that like eventually like the I'm sure that things
are still not great for them, but hopefully you know,

(14:37):
this is the first step in a long fight that
will eventually make it so that people can't harass them
for exercising their human right. Uh. Those are four things
that are trending, Daniel. Yeah, we did it. Thank you
so much for joining you. Thank you guys for listening.

(14:57):
Uh we will will be back tomorrow with the whole
last episode. You can find me on Twitter, Jack Underscore, O'Brien, Dania,
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And if you need me to help you build a computer.
And happy to yourself, all right, and that's gonna do it.

(15:18):
Be good to each other, be good to yourselves. Uh,
don't do nothing, wash your hands, stay home. We're a
fucking masks mask and we'll talk to you tomorrow. Bye
bye