October 7, 2021 • 19 mins
In this edition of Zeitcho, Jack and Miles discuss Minneapolis PD caught on body cam being pieces of shit, the NBA players being indicted for defrauding NBA healthcare, antivaxxers harassing kids in Beverly Hills. their worst childhood fears, Dave Chapelle's new special (isn't good), and Twitters' new feature that no one asked for.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of Zeke,
which sounds like I might be no car insurance reference maybe,
but like Psycho for October. Yeah, exactly, I should have.
Don't like that. Damn it. Come on, Jack, come back now.
(00:22):
I am Jack, as you mentioned you are Miles. Hello sir.
All right, here's here's some things that are trending on
this Thursday, October seventh, afternoon, Minneapolis police were caught on
their body cams just openly talking about hunting protesters during
the George Floyd protests. Some direct quotes are talking about
(00:47):
how it's a nice change of tempo for officers to
be actively hunting people instead of just chasing them around.
Another officer, apply fun these people. Minneapolis cops were ordered
to shoot non lethal rounds on quote the first fucker's
we see because you know, they're just not used to that.
That pushback, yeah, and that that ship came out because
(01:09):
they fired on a group of people in an unmarked
car and one of the people they were shooting at,
who had a permit to have a gum, clapped back
and they're like, what the fun was you shooting at?
And they're like, well, they are not announcing themselves, are
identifying themselves as law enforcement, and they're shooting out of
an unmarked car, Like, what the funk they think this
(01:31):
is in the heat of yeah, you know, in a
moment where the country was talking about white supremacist violence
and ship like that, and yeah, but that guy was
recently acquitted, Yeah, just because yeah, what the funk? These
people are just these people, these sucking cops are just
gooning out like it's there's no laws there. There's the
(01:51):
video of the person out on their deck and they
just show exactly like I'm on my property, right, I'm
not outside. Yeah, there is a story about eighteen x
NBA players who are charged in a four million dollar
healthcare fraud scheme. These are people who are you know,
(02:15):
Milt Pelasio was I think the first name on the
list that I saw, journeyman player, one of the nicest
dudes I've ever met. And you know, they got Tony Allen,
the six time All Defensive Team selection, won a championship
with the Celtics, and oh eight. So they're basically being
accused of defrauding the NBA healthcare system by like submitting
(02:41):
fake claims, and I am on their side. Fuck the
federal government and especially the FBI and whoever is bringing
these charges leave Milk alone. Three point nine. I mean,
come on, look at South Dakota point nine spread across
eighteen layers. Yeah, fuck you guys, man, that's that's not
(03:03):
even a quarter million per person. But you know, they
love to get a big, splashy name and uh attack
people of color. And meanwhile billionaires are just sheltering all
their money and stuff. I was gonna say, really cool
thing to just throw into the mix when we're looking
at unprecedented like leaks in the form of the Pandora papers,
(03:27):
and like putting a more of a focus on these
tax havens that we even have within our own United States. Yeah. Yeah, anyways,
I hope I hope these guys get good lawyers and
uh get away with it. You know, I'm sure they've
learned their lesson from the man, but we know how
it can. Oh yeah, no, that b I. Once they
(03:49):
once they got you in their sights, they're on your ass.
A group of militant anti vaccine activists protested children walking
to school in Beverly Hills earlier this week. It was
National Walk to School Day. I don't know how the funk.
We missed that one miles. But they basically took this
(04:10):
as an opportunity to like yell at the kids because
they were like walking with their parents. They were like,
this is a target rich environment. Let's go shout at
some fucking kids. One notorious anti vax or screamed, they're
trying to rape our children with this poison. Which is
a cool thing for children to hear. I'm sure that
(04:30):
is uh. Courtesy of u Shiva Bagary, who is the
founder of the protest group Beverly Hills Freedom Rally, recently
caught on camera punching a cancer survivor while protesting a
mask mandate at a cancer clinic. And yeah, so they
confronted the parents and children from Hawthorne Elementary School as
(04:55):
they took part in National Walk School Day. Also in
attendance was Beverly Hills Mayor Robert Wonderlick, who proposed that
the representatives from the protest group meet him later in
the day and let the children walk to school in peace.
And they were like, fuck that fuck that, We're gonna
scream in these kids faces. Man, think of the children
(05:15):
right as I scream at them. Yeah, like people give
a fuck that's why it's so whatever. Alright, let's take
a quick break and we'll come back and talk about
spooky things. And we're back, and there's a hashtag going around,
(05:38):
hashtag scariest things when I was a kid, So there's
an opportunity, Miles, what what What were you scared of
as a kid. I might not be scared by anything.
So I had a couple had a recurring nightmare where
I was in the car with my parents and the
car took off with me in it, uh, and they
were like out of it, like because I think that
(05:59):
there was some part my brain that was like, maybe
it's not a good idea that they leave me in
the car while they like run into the store or
something like they're like, okay, we'll be right back, and
the car just goes and the car just takes off, yeah,
and starts driving around. So that was one recurring nightmare
I had. I had a recurring nightmare where I did
drugs or was forshed to do drugs. I remember that
(06:22):
somebody and one of my dreams came up to me
and like cut my thumb with a razor blade and
like poured cocaine on the cut, and I was like
oh no, and I like started to die immediately. I
got blow thumb yeah because of their brave enough to
(06:42):
share those and show us how much of an upstanding
child on it that just like it truly warms my
heart to know that your fear was someone getting drugs
on you and then diec did it? Did it to me?
And my dad always say, y'all, don't listen to her
for her man, they're wild. Um. For me, it was
(07:03):
pools that the light was off, like like I remember
my grandparents had a pool, and like I hated nights
swimming and if the pool, if the light was not
on that ship fun. Hell no, I'm not getting eaten
by Jaws and that fucking thing if I can't see
what if I can't see in it? That RM song
is like the Jaws theme to you, it's like you're
(07:29):
like night swimming. Fuck you no, no, no, not now? Uh.
And then just like the dark was really like my
big thing as a kid. If she got too dark,
like I would immediately just be like in a fight
or flight like kind of thing, like like what's going on?
Shout out to my uncles and grandfather who would really
get a kick out of turning the lights and making
(07:50):
me terrified. Um, but now I love the darkness. I
embraced the darkness, you know. I realized I was actually
born in the darkness, you know, and then others just
merely play around in it. I also had this thing,
and I'm curious. I don't think I've ever mentioned this
on a podcast, but there was this like blonde haired
(08:11):
guy with black like triangles around his eyes, almost like
a raccoon, that like I just had in my mind
that was like sort of this like demon figure that
I would always like picture outside my window or like
around the corner or something. Um, just very like almost
like the blonde guy from die Hard. If uh he
(08:32):
was a raccoon. But uh, I don't. I don't know
if that was. I don't know where it came from.
Maybe it was like something in a cartoon or something.
But um, if anybody else had either that or like
a very specific like scary person that their mind created,
I'd be curious to hear about that. I mean it
(08:53):
sounds like Jack, you were just so aware of like
global oppression that you were seeing two all seeing eyes
on this body that represented the arians and you were like,
oh my god, system of white supremacy abounds those trianglized
I'm like, are you talking about the all seeing Yeah, Illuminati?
(09:15):
Umn know, alright, Chappelle is trending. His latest special came
out and has become sort of a culture war thing.
So that's just controversial culture war in that conservatives are
now flocking to Dave Chappelle and suddenly you're like, oh
my god, yes he's our guy. But you know, I'm
not familiar with much of his other material it relates
(09:37):
to race. So in this very narrow context, we're pro Chappelle.
But yeah, he just had a whole chunk of just
just absurd, regressive, uh, transphobic jokes, um, you know, saying
some ship like you know, like I was, I was
dragged on Twitter for for especially by trans people. He's like,
(09:59):
but I don't you have a fux. Twitter is not
a real place. And he's like, they called me a
turf or whatever I said. They call JK Rolling a
turf And he's like, and I don't. And he's like,
and that's a that's a you know, that's the thing
that trans people do is just to make up words
to win arguments. And you're like, Jesus what are you
fucking saying right now? Uh? And it just goes on
to be like gender is a fact, and he's like
his whole ship just like smacked of guy who has
(10:24):
he clearly has not moved past two thousand six maybe
and has sees no reason to re examine any of
his beliefs as it relates to this, because like, for
as much as he talks about it, but you know,
he can be so right about a lot of other things,
or his comedy can be so poignant about when it
comes to as it relates to other things. But for
(10:44):
the last few specials he's chosen to like keep going
back to this well, and it's really dumb, it's violent.
It's like, you know a lot of people are like
for all this ship that you talk about for liberation
of black people, like are you just erasing black trans
completely from your ideology or what you think liberation looks like?
(11:05):
And you know, uh, quickly, the Joe Rogan set of
comedy fans like not do this just go dude, Like
that's just like there's just edgy man, Like he's just
saying something that like it's true what you can't handle
it well? And you know, what's funny is like what
people do is like, if you're a racist or you're
a homophobe, you'll get into these things where you're you
(11:27):
look at the the reckoning that occurs with being so
out there with your your just offensive beliefs, Like when
there's a response to it, they use that as like, see,
it's just proving the point. It's just proving the point.
It's actually proving the point that you are in fact
racist or homophobic, and you're just willing to you just
want to rationalize it in a different way to make
(11:48):
it so that you are a fixed point who doesn't
need to change, and others are just sort of acting
bizarre unfair towards you. Yeah. Yeah, And this has come
after he started kicking it with Joe Rogan and like
being part of that set um. Yeah, I mean they
you know, the defending Luis c k. He's he's had
(12:11):
a he's had he's had many off ramp points for
fans along the way here, and it's and it's wild
because I really liked his early material, but like to
just see someone that I would think was so intelligent
just be like, oh, like, dude, are fucking values do
not align? At all, Like this is fucked up and
(12:32):
it's just yeah, so a lot of people are you know,
voicing their displeasure with it um while many others are
trying to, you know, act as if transphobia like isn't
like a terrible thing and actually has violent outcomes for
real people in the world. He's also doing like a
thing that I've seen ruined narcissists careers, where they start
(12:56):
focusing only on criticisms they get um and like that's
all they talk about, and it sends them down the
spiral where they're like just talking about ship that like
people don't really want to hear them talk about because
I think they're just so they are obsessed with defending
their themselves. But they're like, oh no, they're this this
(13:17):
defense is actually you're bringing in the back hole and
you're digging the ditch even deeper for yourself with every
stupid thing. And you know, uh, Producer Ryan I were
talking before too, like he doesn't his stand up is
just so different now to like it went from like
what a traditional sort of stand up thing, not that
there are rules to it, but like in these last
few specials, it just seemed like this old guy holding court. Yeah,
(13:40):
and like, these are my observations, and some people like it,
other people definitely don't. I've also enjoyed some of the
tweets from other comedians, like Curtis Cook tweeted, my greatest
Hollywood aspiration is to get so successful that my friends
become my employees. Don't stop feeling comfortable telling me to
shut the funk up. Some of my word suffers, but
(14:01):
the audience has already invested too much and me to
walk away, so they call me brilliant instead of sad.
And Bill him Booster tweeted, once you're rich, you shouldn't
be allowed to do stand up anymore unless you get
a terminal illness or burned in a fire, and even
then it's questionable. But yeah, I mean, and and for
people who just want to be like, it's just edgy comedy, No,
that's it's such a disingenuous defense to it, because you're
(14:24):
completely disconnecting the fact that jokes like this are just
normalizing certain you know, discriminatory behavior or phobias that only
leads to ship spiraling out of control in real life.
So you're like, oh, it's just a joke, Like relax
if you think that's funny. Then there's then there's I
have a fundamental issue with what you think is funny
(14:45):
and it's not just a joke, and it actually says
a lot about who you are as a person rather
than like what can you handle as a joke and
it's wild. You know, you'll learn a lot based on
the kinds of quote unquote jokes you see people defend
because should I put some people to bed being like
trying to act like dumb, fucking racist jokes about black
people can slide like, no, that's fucking nonsense, it's violent,
(15:09):
and the fact that you just are going to rely
on it's just a joke, like relax, people can say
what they want. Well, that's different because from your position,
you probably aren't in a position to experience the oppression
or violence that comes along with being in a certain group,
and so you know, people have to I don't know,
that's just part of growing up, is like you started
realizing now, actually it's shit, is fucking not not funny. Yeah,
(15:33):
as you as I heard you say, not everyone makes it,
you know, not everyone's gonna Yeah, you don't take everybody
with you on this path to growth, Like that's people
you admire on TV and media and your friend groups
are like, I mean, sho, I'm going through that right now.
I think many people are, especially as it relates to
the pandemic and the uprisings last summer and a lot
of people I was like, Okay, well, you know what,
(15:54):
I don't have time for this, because that's that you're
You're a You're a person who has actually invested it
in something I'm trying to push back against. Well, unfortunately,
I think Twitter has all the solved. They have announced
another feature, uh that nobody asked for that isn't moderating
hate speech. But so we all remember Fleets, no one
(16:14):
asked for it, they died, And they've announced another feature
that I don't I don't think anyone was asking for
on the app, basically a vibe check on a thread. Yeah,
they're like, do you ever wonder You're like, oh, look
at this, there's a lot of action. Maybe I'll put
my take in here. And essentially they're saying, this is
(16:34):
from their description quote ever want to know the vibe
of a conversation before you join in. We're testing prompts
on Android and iOS. They give you a heads up
if the combo you're about to enter could get heated
or intense. This is a work in progress as we
learn how to better support healthy conversation. So this is
like an example where as if like you were about
(16:55):
to tweet some dumb ship like agenda is a fact
or some nonsense. A great example of m tech and
social media knowing that they have a responsibility and doing
like the bare convincing themselves that they are doing something.
I'll help them with prompts rather than taking away a
(17:16):
cess pit for them to gather around, so heads up
will come up. Quote heads up. Conversation like this can
be intense. This is under a tweets said let's look
out for each other, and then it'll have three bullet
points to keep in mind before you have like tap
through to like actually tweets something is one remember the
human communicating with respect makes Twitter better. To facts matter,
(17:36):
Checking the facts help everyone. I mean that one is
so amazing that they're just going to solve disinformation by
being like facts matter, checking the facts help everyone. Yeah, right,
that's like that's like some like like kindergarten teacher who's
like I I I'll solve the Middle East plant like problems.
(18:00):
End me to Israel and I'll go, come on, every
come on, now, come on like that. That's honestly, that
may be more effective. But anyway they're saying the fact matter.
And then third, diverse perspectives have value. Discovering new perspectives
can strengthen your own. I mean that's clearly for someone
who's ignorant. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean because if I'm
(18:22):
looking at this and it's some racist ship, I'm not
gonna go, oh ship, yeah this, this diverse perspective on
someone praying for my downfall, is actually that can strengthen
my own perspective. Yeah, put it out there. What if
this is what what supremisss the Nazis needed? They were like,
oh ship, wait a second, y'all remember the human but
(18:47):
maybe let's not do this instead of doing something that
would actually be effective, you right, exactly, like you know,
getting Nazis off the platform. Um, but hey, when when
one dumb idea at a time, I guess for Jack
Dors and yeah, there aren't many details about like what
this thing is going to do aside from this very
vague example because like a lot of people like, well,
(19:08):
what happens if she's getting ratio? Like will you know
if you're going into like a positively ratio tweet a
negatively ratio tweet, how will it like? What? What is
it using to determine how to alert someone? So yeah,
all right, well those are the things that are trending
right now. We are back tomorrow with the whole last
(19:30):
episode up the show. Until then, be kind to each other,
be kind to yourself, gets the vaccine, don't do nothing
about white supremacy, and we will talk to y'all tomorrow.
Bye bye,
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of Zeke,
which sounds like I might be no car insurance reference maybe,
but like Psycho for October. Yeah, exactly, I should have.
Don't like that. Damn it. Come on, Jack, come back now.
(00:22):
I am Jack, as you mentioned you are Miles. Hello sir.
All right, here's here's some things that are trending on
this Thursday, October seventh, afternoon, Minneapolis police were caught on
their body cams just openly talking about hunting protesters during
the George Floyd protests. Some direct quotes are talking about
(00:47):
how it's a nice change of tempo for officers to
be actively hunting people instead of just chasing them around.
Another officer, apply fun these people. Minneapolis cops were ordered
to shoot non lethal rounds on quote the first fucker's
we see because you know, they're just not used to that.
That pushback, yeah, and that that ship came out because
(01:09):
they fired on a group of people in an unmarked
car and one of the people they were shooting at,
who had a permit to have a gum, clapped back
and they're like, what the fun was you shooting at?
And they're like, well, they are not announcing themselves, are
identifying themselves as law enforcement, and they're shooting out of
an unmarked car, Like, what the funk they think this
(01:31):
is in the heat of yeah, you know, in a
moment where the country was talking about white supremacist violence
and ship like that, and yeah, but that guy was
recently acquitted, Yeah, just because yeah, what the funk? These
people are just these people, these sucking cops are just
gooning out like it's there's no laws there. There's the
(01:51):
video of the person out on their deck and they
just show exactly like I'm on my property, right, I'm
not outside. Yeah, there is a story about eighteen x
NBA players who are charged in a four million dollar
healthcare fraud scheme. These are people who are you know,
(02:15):
Milt Pelasio was I think the first name on the
list that I saw, journeyman player, one of the nicest
dudes I've ever met. And you know, they got Tony Allen,
the six time All Defensive Team selection, won a championship
with the Celtics, and oh eight. So they're basically being
accused of defrauding the NBA healthcare system by like submitting
(02:41):
fake claims, and I am on their side. Fuck the
federal government and especially the FBI and whoever is bringing
these charges leave Milk alone. Three point nine. I mean,
come on, look at South Dakota point nine spread across
eighteen layers. Yeah, fuck you guys, man, that's that's not
(03:03):
even a quarter million per person. But you know, they
love to get a big, splashy name and uh attack
people of color. And meanwhile billionaires are just sheltering all
their money and stuff. I was gonna say, really cool
thing to just throw into the mix when we're looking
at unprecedented like leaks in the form of the Pandora papers,
(03:27):
and like putting a more of a focus on these
tax havens that we even have within our own United States. Yeah. Yeah, anyways,
I hope I hope these guys get good lawyers and
uh get away with it. You know, I'm sure they've
learned their lesson from the man, but we know how
it can. Oh yeah, no, that b I. Once they
(03:49):
once they got you in their sights, they're on your ass.
A group of militant anti vaccine activists protested children walking
to school in Beverly Hills earlier this week. It was
National Walk to School Day. I don't know how the funk.
We missed that one miles. But they basically took this
(04:10):
as an opportunity to like yell at the kids because
they were like walking with their parents. They were like,
this is a target rich environment. Let's go shout at
some fucking kids. One notorious anti vax or screamed, they're
trying to rape our children with this poison. Which is
a cool thing for children to hear. I'm sure that
(04:30):
is uh. Courtesy of u Shiva Bagary, who is the
founder of the protest group Beverly Hills Freedom Rally, recently
caught on camera punching a cancer survivor while protesting a
mask mandate at a cancer clinic. And yeah, so they
confronted the parents and children from Hawthorne Elementary School as
(04:55):
they took part in National Walk School Day. Also in
attendance was Beverly Hills Mayor Robert Wonderlick, who proposed that
the representatives from the protest group meet him later in
the day and let the children walk to school in peace.
And they were like, fuck that fuck that, We're gonna
scream in these kids faces. Man, think of the children
(05:15):
right as I scream at them. Yeah, like people give
a fuck that's why it's so whatever. Alright, let's take
a quick break and we'll come back and talk about
spooky things. And we're back, and there's a hashtag going around,
(05:38):
hashtag scariest things when I was a kid, So there's
an opportunity, Miles, what what What were you scared of
as a kid. I might not be scared by anything.
So I had a couple had a recurring nightmare where
I was in the car with my parents and the
car took off with me in it, uh, and they
were like out of it, like because I think that
(05:59):
there was some part my brain that was like, maybe
it's not a good idea that they leave me in
the car while they like run into the store or
something like they're like, okay, we'll be right back, and
the car just goes and the car just takes off, yeah,
and starts driving around. So that was one recurring nightmare
I had. I had a recurring nightmare where I did
drugs or was forshed to do drugs. I remember that
(06:22):
somebody and one of my dreams came up to me
and like cut my thumb with a razor blade and
like poured cocaine on the cut, and I was like
oh no, and I like started to die immediately. I
got blow thumb yeah because of their brave enough to
(06:42):
share those and show us how much of an upstanding
child on it that just like it truly warms my
heart to know that your fear was someone getting drugs
on you and then diec did it? Did it to me?
And my dad always say, y'all, don't listen to her
for her man, they're wild. Um. For me, it was
(07:03):
pools that the light was off, like like I remember
my grandparents had a pool, and like I hated nights
swimming and if the pool, if the light was not
on that ship fun. Hell no, I'm not getting eaten
by Jaws and that fucking thing if I can't see
what if I can't see in it? That RM song
is like the Jaws theme to you, it's like you're
(07:29):
like night swimming. Fuck you no, no, no, not now? Uh.
And then just like the dark was really like my
big thing as a kid. If she got too dark,
like I would immediately just be like in a fight
or flight like kind of thing, like like what's going on?
Shout out to my uncles and grandfather who would really
get a kick out of turning the lights and making
(07:50):
me terrified. Um, but now I love the darkness. I
embraced the darkness, you know. I realized I was actually
born in the darkness, you know, and then others just
merely play around in it. I also had this thing,
and I'm curious. I don't think I've ever mentioned this
on a podcast, but there was this like blonde haired
(08:11):
guy with black like triangles around his eyes, almost like
a raccoon, that like I just had in my mind
that was like sort of this like demon figure that
I would always like picture outside my window or like
around the corner or something. Um, just very like almost
like the blonde guy from die Hard. If uh he
(08:32):
was a raccoon. But uh, I don't. I don't know
if that was. I don't know where it came from.
Maybe it was like something in a cartoon or something.
But um, if anybody else had either that or like
a very specific like scary person that their mind created,
I'd be curious to hear about that. I mean it
(08:53):
sounds like Jack, you were just so aware of like
global oppression that you were seeing two all seeing eyes
on this body that represented the arians and you were like,
oh my god, system of white supremacy abounds those trianglized
I'm like, are you talking about the all seeing Yeah, Illuminati?
(09:15):
Umn know, alright, Chappelle is trending. His latest special came
out and has become sort of a culture war thing.
So that's just controversial culture war in that conservatives are
now flocking to Dave Chappelle and suddenly you're like, oh
my god, yes he's our guy. But you know, I'm
not familiar with much of his other material it relates
(09:37):
to race. So in this very narrow context, we're pro Chappelle.
But yeah, he just had a whole chunk of just
just absurd, regressive, uh, transphobic jokes, um, you know, saying
some ship like you know, like I was, I was
dragged on Twitter for for especially by trans people. He's like,
(09:59):
but I don't you have a fux. Twitter is not
a real place. And he's like, they called me a
turf or whatever I said. They call JK Rolling a
turf And he's like, and I don't. And he's like,
and that's a that's a you know, that's the thing
that trans people do is just to make up words
to win arguments. And you're like, Jesus what are you
fucking saying right now? Uh? And it just goes on
to be like gender is a fact, and he's like
his whole ship just like smacked of guy who has
(10:24):
he clearly has not moved past two thousand six maybe
and has sees no reason to re examine any of
his beliefs as it relates to this, because like, for
as much as he talks about it, but you know,
he can be so right about a lot of other things,
or his comedy can be so poignant about when it
comes to as it relates to other things. But for
(10:44):
the last few specials he's chosen to like keep going
back to this well, and it's really dumb, it's violent.
It's like, you know a lot of people are like
for all this ship that you talk about for liberation
of black people, like are you just erasing black trans
completely from your ideology or what you think liberation looks like?
(11:05):
And you know, uh, quickly, the Joe Rogan set of
comedy fans like not do this just go dude, Like
that's just like there's just edgy man, Like he's just
saying something that like it's true what you can't handle
it well? And you know, what's funny is like what
people do is like, if you're a racist or you're
a homophobe, you'll get into these things where you're you
(11:27):
look at the the reckoning that occurs with being so
out there with your your just offensive beliefs, Like when
there's a response to it, they use that as like, see,
it's just proving the point. It's just proving the point.
It's actually proving the point that you are in fact
racist or homophobic, and you're just willing to you just
want to rationalize it in a different way to make
(11:48):
it so that you are a fixed point who doesn't
need to change, and others are just sort of acting
bizarre unfair towards you. Yeah. Yeah, And this has come
after he started kicking it with Joe Rogan and like
being part of that set um. Yeah, I mean they
you know, the defending Luis c k. He's he's had
(12:11):
a he's had he's had many off ramp points for
fans along the way here, and it's and it's wild
because I really liked his early material, but like to
just see someone that I would think was so intelligent
just be like, oh, like, dude, are fucking values do
not align? At all, Like this is fucked up and
(12:32):
it's just yeah, so a lot of people are you know,
voicing their displeasure with it um while many others are
trying to, you know, act as if transphobia like isn't
like a terrible thing and actually has violent outcomes for
real people in the world. He's also doing like a
thing that I've seen ruined narcissists careers, where they start
(12:56):
focusing only on criticisms they get um and like that's
all they talk about, and it sends them down the
spiral where they're like just talking about ship that like
people don't really want to hear them talk about because
I think they're just so they are obsessed with defending
their themselves. But they're like, oh no, they're this this
(13:17):
defense is actually you're bringing in the back hole and
you're digging the ditch even deeper for yourself with every
stupid thing. And you know, uh, Producer Ryan I were
talking before too, like he doesn't his stand up is
just so different now to like it went from like
what a traditional sort of stand up thing, not that
there are rules to it, but like in these last
few specials, it just seemed like this old guy holding court. Yeah,
(13:40):
and like, these are my observations, and some people like it,
other people definitely don't. I've also enjoyed some of the
tweets from other comedians, like Curtis Cook tweeted, my greatest
Hollywood aspiration is to get so successful that my friends
become my employees. Don't stop feeling comfortable telling me to
shut the funk up. Some of my word suffers, but
(14:01):
the audience has already invested too much and me to
walk away, so they call me brilliant instead of sad.
And Bill him Booster tweeted, once you're rich, you shouldn't
be allowed to do stand up anymore unless you get
a terminal illness or burned in a fire, and even
then it's questionable. But yeah, I mean, and and for
people who just want to be like, it's just edgy comedy, No,
that's it's such a disingenuous defense to it, because you're
(14:24):
completely disconnecting the fact that jokes like this are just
normalizing certain you know, discriminatory behavior or phobias that only
leads to ship spiraling out of control in real life.
So you're like, oh, it's just a joke, Like relax
if you think that's funny. Then there's then there's I
have a fundamental issue with what you think is funny
(14:45):
and it's not just a joke, and it actually says
a lot about who you are as a person rather
than like what can you handle as a joke and
it's wild. You know, you'll learn a lot based on
the kinds of quote unquote jokes you see people defend
because should I put some people to bed being like
trying to act like dumb, fucking racist jokes about black
people can slide like, no, that's fucking nonsense, it's violent,
(15:09):
and the fact that you just are going to rely
on it's just a joke, like relax, people can say
what they want. Well, that's different because from your position,
you probably aren't in a position to experience the oppression
or violence that comes along with being in a certain group,
and so you know, people have to I don't know,
that's just part of growing up, is like you started
realizing now, actually it's shit, is fucking not not funny. Yeah,
(15:33):
as you as I heard you say, not everyone makes it,
you know, not everyone's gonna Yeah, you don't take everybody
with you on this path to growth, Like that's people
you admire on TV and media and your friend groups
are like, I mean, sho, I'm going through that right now.
I think many people are, especially as it relates to
the pandemic and the uprisings last summer and a lot
of people I was like, Okay, well, you know what,
(15:54):
I don't have time for this, because that's that you're
You're a You're a person who has actually invested it
in something I'm trying to push back against. Well, unfortunately,
I think Twitter has all the solved. They have announced
another feature, uh that nobody asked for that isn't moderating
hate speech. But so we all remember Fleets, no one
(16:14):
asked for it, they died, And they've announced another feature
that I don't I don't think anyone was asking for
on the app, basically a vibe check on a thread. Yeah,
they're like, do you ever wonder You're like, oh, look
at this, there's a lot of action. Maybe I'll put
my take in here. And essentially they're saying, this is
(16:34):
from their description quote ever want to know the vibe
of a conversation before you join in. We're testing prompts
on Android and iOS. They give you a heads up
if the combo you're about to enter could get heated
or intense. This is a work in progress as we
learn how to better support healthy conversation. So this is
like an example where as if like you were about
(16:55):
to tweet some dumb ship like agenda is a fact
or some nonsense. A great example of m tech and
social media knowing that they have a responsibility and doing
like the bare convincing themselves that they are doing something.
I'll help them with prompts rather than taking away a
(17:16):
cess pit for them to gather around, so heads up
will come up. Quote heads up. Conversation like this can
be intense. This is under a tweets said let's look
out for each other, and then it'll have three bullet
points to keep in mind before you have like tap
through to like actually tweets something is one remember the
human communicating with respect makes Twitter better. To facts matter,
(17:36):
Checking the facts help everyone. I mean that one is
so amazing that they're just going to solve disinformation by
being like facts matter, checking the facts help everyone. Yeah, right,
that's like that's like some like like kindergarten teacher who's
like I I I'll solve the Middle East plant like problems.
(18:00):
End me to Israel and I'll go, come on, every
come on, now, come on like that. That's honestly, that
may be more effective. But anyway they're saying the fact matter.
And then third, diverse perspectives have value. Discovering new perspectives
can strengthen your own. I mean that's clearly for someone
who's ignorant. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean because if I'm
(18:22):
looking at this and it's some racist ship, I'm not
gonna go, oh ship, yeah this, this diverse perspective on
someone praying for my downfall, is actually that can strengthen
my own perspective. Yeah, put it out there. What if
this is what what supremisss the Nazis needed? They were like,
oh ship, wait a second, y'all remember the human but
(18:47):
maybe let's not do this instead of doing something that
would actually be effective, you right, exactly, like you know,
getting Nazis off the platform. Um, but hey, when when
one dumb idea at a time, I guess for Jack
Dors and yeah, there aren't many details about like what
this thing is going to do aside from this very
vague example because like a lot of people like, well,
(19:08):
what happens if she's getting ratio? Like will you know
if you're going into like a positively ratio tweet a
negatively ratio tweet, how will it like? What? What is
it using to determine how to alert someone? So yeah,
all right, well those are the things that are trending
right now. We are back tomorrow with the whole last
(19:30):
episode up the show. Until then, be kind to each other,
be kind to yourself, gets the vaccine, don't do nothing
about white supremacy, and we will talk to y'all tomorrow.
Bye bye,
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