May 10, 2024 • 53 mins
Stories from the Other Side by People on the Other Side! This episode will help you discover what it's like to cross over and what life is like in the Hereafter!
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Hi.
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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I was
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recently on social media and one of my classmates from
high school mentioned something about our fortieth high school reunion
and it took me a second forty years since I
graduated high school. That must make me fifty eight, and
it does. But inside I'm still me. Very hard to believe.
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I'm fifty eight years old, and whatever age you are,
you probably feel the same way. You're still you. I'm
still me. We look in the mirror, though we may
look a little different. In fact, living in our bodies,
there may be some aches and pains and things have changed.
But we are still us, aren't we. I found this
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quote author unknown, but I'd like to read it to you.
I asked an elderly woman once what it was like
to be old and to know that the majority of
her life was behind her now. She told me that
she has been the same age her entire life. She said,
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the voice inside of her head had never aged. She
has always been the same girl, her mother's daughter. She
had always wondered when she would grow up and be
an old woman.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
She said.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
She watched her body age and her faculties dull, but
the person she is inside never got tired. She never aged,
She never changed. Remember, our spirits are eternal, our souls
are forever. So the next time you encounter an elderly person,
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look at them and know that they are still a
child inside, just as you are still a child. And
children will always need love, attention, and purpose. Don't you
just love that?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I think this episode will be titled I'm Still Me,
because when we migrate to the other side, we simply
open our eyes and we're still us. We just happen
to be being greeted by our loved ones pets that
have passed, but we are still very much alive. Think
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about when you woke up this morning, You're still you.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Of course, You've got years of a past that are
behind you, but they don't live in the present moment.
You live in the present moment two right now listening
to shades of the afterlife. On our episode today, I
want to tell you different stories that come from different
people who have died. I love telling these kind of
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stories because throughout the beginning of time there have been
different kinds of mediums who have brought through loved ones.
There's been physical mediums, trance mediums. What we see in
the world right now is a lot of evidential mediums
who will say, I've got your mom here. She used
to make you raspberry pancakes every breakfast and you will
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say yes, right, So that's evidential mediums, trance mediums. Well,
you've heard mister Eric, an old English voice speaking through
a young man named Scott Milligan. You've heard him many
times on Shades of the Afterlife. But in time, in past,
there were people that were trance mediums, but they would
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actually channel your loved ones. So what this would look
like is the medium would be in front of you,
eyes would be closed. It may sound like the medium's voice,
but the words coming through would be from your loved one.
This kind of mediumship is very, very very rare. In fact,
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when you think of the movie Ghost and you think
of Whoopi Goldberg, she was channeling Patrick Swayze to Demi Moore,
And that's kind of what I'm talking about. Now. I
have the opportunity to study trance mediumship at Arthur Finley College,
and the instructor did a demonstration of this, well we'll
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call it trance channeling. She did it two times. One
the person in front of her was a man, and
the other the person in front of her was a woman,
and each time it was one of their parents that
spoke through her directly to the recipient with details to
prove that it was really them words, letting the person
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know that there's still very much with them and of
course there's always love shared. And seeing this is so wonderful.
I can honestly say I cried really hard after it
because imagine what it would be like for your loved
one to talk to you again. Amazing. So my hope
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for the future if you're someone who is an evidential
medium right now is you learn a little trance mediumship.
We have Scott Milligan's class online almost every Monday. It
changes a little month to month, and I definitely trust
the tutors at the Arthur Finley College in the UK,
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but it's a beautiful way to let the spirit world
work with us. No one takes us over like you
see in the movies. Some of the stories I will
share with you today came through such trance mediums letting
their loved one know, Hey, I'm still me and I'm
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still alive. I found a handful of stories that just
warmed my heart about still being us in the afterlife,
but also what life is like in the afterlife. The
third type of medium is a physical medium, which is
very rare and currently oh the physical mediums on planet Earth.
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A lot of them are doing some weird things, producing
gemstones from out of the darkness. While I don't go
for that. I have witnessed good physical mediumship with a
medium named David Thompson and also Scott Milligan, where loved
one's voices seem to come from out of the air
and talk to their loved one. There was a gentleman
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who died many years ago by the name of Leslie Flint,
and I'll be including some of the stories that happened
through his mediumship. Also, Leslie was a physical medium and
he would host small groups of people or one on
one with people back in the day and they'd want
to talk to their loved one. Leslie would have his
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mouth taped shut. He was even tested. They'd put color
dye in his mouth, and yet these voices would still
come from what seemed out of nowhere. So far, he's
the only medium I know that ever existed that was
able to do this. Some of the stories will come
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from the recordings of what people witnessed with their loved ones.
Because the voice quality isn't great and these tapes date
way back. I'll tell you the stories in my own voice.
I highly recommend that you check out the website leslieflint
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dot com and his book Voices in the Dark. Before
I share the stories, I want to express what I've
learned in the last twenty six years about the actual
dying process. No matter how we get over there, we
are greeted by loved ones and we will feel like
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I'm still me. So that's all good. Before that happens, though, ooh,
how do we get there? I think the best way
to go is when we're old and gray after a
long life and we have a natural death. But unfortunately,
there are accidents. Some people pass by illness, some people
take their own lives unfortunately, and others take people's lives
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through killings. It's never easy to have someone pass for
those left behind, But for us, we want to know
is it scary? Does it hurt? What does it feel like?
I want to rest your mind that death itself is painless.
Many say it's like getting very sleepy and then just
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falling asleep. But those of us who have seen our
loved ones suffer. Like my dad before his passing, he
had cancer and he was in an incredible amount of pain.
It is said by our friends in spirit and through
longtime mediums that our soul can leave the body before
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the body passes, and this has been documented in cases
of near death experiences, many of which I've shared on
Shades of the Afterlife, where people's consciousness is out of
their body and they're able to witness what's happening to
their body from the outside or above. In many cases,
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those who are suffering, their consciousness leaves, and when we
do get to the other side, we may, of course
remember how we passed, but that pain, that memory of
any discomfort before we left, that is gone. There's no punishment,
we've spoken before, there's no judgment. It's for us to
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do our own life review. Death isn't the scary part.
Life is the scary part. And of course not a
single one of us wishes to suffer or have our
loved one suffer. So I am a strong proponent if
the end is getting near by sickness, that we all
turn to hospice, which has the best pain medication known
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to mankind. So again, when we say we're afraid of death,
that may be afraid of the pain. But I strongly
believe that our consciousness does leave our body before the
body dies. Even in cases of dementia and Alzheimer's. It's
as if those folks have one foot in our world
and one foot they're already seeing into the afterlife. And
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let's not forget that we have a greeting committee that
when we're in that in between place, still alive, on
the threshold of passing, loved ones guides. Some people see angels,
we can see into the afterlife. It's all happening to
comfortably bring us across the veil. We'll take our first
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break in a moment, but when we come back, you'll
hear about South African lawyer Jasper Swain and his conversations
with his deceased son Mike, with and without the aid
of a medium. Conversations Mike details his new world and
his new life. For instance, Mike says, the actual act
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of dying is as simple as dozing off after lunch.
A drowsy feeling fills the whole body with relaxing comfort.
We'll hear his story when we get back. Are you
ready to take the ride into the I'm still me
stories about the other side from people on the other side.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
I'd like to share with you some excerpts from the
book From My World to Yours, which was first published
in nineteen seventy four by South African lawyer Jasper Swain
after his eldest son, Mike, tragically died in a car
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accident in South Africa. Mike, who was just eighteen years
old at the time, was accompanied by Heather, an eleven
year old daughter of one of his friends. Shortly after
the funeral, Jasper went to see missus Nina Marrington, who
had offered him her services to act as a medium
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in order to establish contact with Mike in the spirit world.
After Nina passed into trance, Jasper was startled to hear
her speaking with Mike's voice, addressing him as Shud a
name that only his dead son had ever used. When
asked how the accident happened, Mike said that he would
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place Medium Nina in the driver's seat so that she
could describe exactly how things had transpired the entrance. Medium
began by saying he has placed me in a small
green mini car. It is a terribly hot day and
I'm driving along a very crowded road. There is a
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little girl beside me. Her name is Heather. She is
chatting to me about her mom and dad, who are
in the car ahead of us. I can see their
car approximately fifty yards away. It is gray in color.
It is noon, and there is a mass of holiday
traffic passing us in both directions. Now, I see a
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black car coming towards us. As it approaches us, I
see this other car coming behind it. I can see
this other car clearly because it is in the middle
of the road trying to pass the black car. Nina
paused for a moment and said, the sun is glaring
on the windscreen of the black car and reflecting back
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into my eyes. I can see nothing but a bright
silver radiance. It is blinding to me. All of a sudden,
the radiance changes from silver to gold. I am being
lifted up in the air out through the top of
the car. I grab little Heather's hand. She too is
being lifted up out of the car. We have been
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lifted thirty feet above the Mini, and in one horrifying second,
I see the little Mini and this large car collide
head on. The little Mini bounces right off the highway,
right over onto the gravel verge. It is finally brought
to a halt and a cloud of dust when it
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hits a giant hill the large cars turning in mid air,
its nose flips over until it is back to front.
Then it smashes down on the road on its side.
A storm of metallic dust is now glinting all over
the road. The medium Nina stopped, obviously too agitated to continue.
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What impressed her listeners was the fact that Mike had
never seen the other vehicle until after the silver light
had changed to gold. He and Heather had felt no
sense of impact. They had suffered no pain, just a
gentle ascent into the air. Nina recovered herself enough to continue.
Heather and I are still holding hands. We now descend
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beside the Mini. We see two crumpled bodies lying in it.
We feel vaguely sorry that this thing should have happened
to them, and we both fully understand that we are now,
so far as mortals are concerned, dead. We are both
aware that a lot of people have begun to gather
around us. They are dressed in glorious colors. We even
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recognize some of the people. They are the faces of
friends and family who passed beyond the earth before us.
Heather and I are still standing hand in hand, Now
guided by the one who first lifted us into the air,
the two of us sweep towards the skies. We drift
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about the two round hills known as the Breasts of
Sheba in heartfelt joy. The three jasper, his wife, Clarice,
and his second son, Kevin listen, transported by the fact
that the passing had involved neither fear, shock nor suffering.
Mike now addressed himself to his brother. Sometime after the crash,
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Kevin had noticed that dust was gathering on his bicycle,
and he began to clean it. In the process, he
noticed that the drive chain was dry. In too much
of a hurry to find the grease gun, he rashly
decided to take a chance with the oil can. He
messed it up, however, and oil flowed out of the
bottom of the casing and made a pool on the
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kitchen floor. Kevin had mopped up the oil with one
of Mike's dusters, which he promptly washed and iron before
returning it to the drawer. Through the entranced medium Nina,
Mike informed him that he had watched the whole thing
him making a mess, and if he had been there,
he wouldn't have helped him clean it. This left Kevin
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devoid of speech, because this episode had occurred long after
the funeral and no one knew about it except himself.
Mike next turned to his mother. I'm so glad you've
begun to accept what has happened, he told her. Never
allow yourself to mourn. Just send us your love, send
us your happiness. These we can use in service of others.
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The other morning, Mom, just after sunrise, you left the
bedroom and went down to the garden in your dressing gown,
and you picked a single, perfect white rose. I was
with you then, and I surrounded you with all of
my love. Mom. If you ever do get depressed again,
go out into the garden and pick another flower. I
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shall be there with you again and again. Jasper and
Kevin knew nothing of this, having been asleep when Clarice
had gone down into the garden. But in the weeks
that followed, whenever Clarice went alone to the garden, Jasper
and Kevin would notice that, no matter how somber she
was leaving the house, she would come back later with
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her eyes sparkling and her face transformed. Mike, where are
you now? His father? Jasper asked him. The reply came instantly.
I am surrounded by the love and peace of our father.
But where are you? What world are you in? Can
you tell me? I'm in a world that looks pretty
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much the same as your world, Dad, Only there are
different laws up here. When I say laws, I don't
mean the laws that govern behavior of the people. I
mean the laws that govern thought. Mike, tell me more
about that world. How do you get there? Where does
it exist? Dad? Everyone comes here through the gates of death.
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You have to rearrange your values to appreciate its virtues. Though,
while you are still on earth, your thought, your intentions,
everything you do gives your soul a certain rate of vibration.
For argument's sake, let's suppose your soul is vibrating in
a fifty megacycle band. When you die and manifest here,
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you would go straight to the part of our world,
which vibrates at fifty megacycles. By the same token, if
you're a slow thinking sort of a blow o, you
can only vibrate to fifteen megacycles, then you'll become part
of this world in the fifteen megacycle range. It all
depends on your rate of vibration. Therefore, you yourself select
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the kind of scenery that will await you when you
arrive here. The worlds above us are even richer in
light and happiness. If I go up there, and I
can right now, I find it too bright. The light
hurts my eyes, and the vibrations are so refined that
I can't respond to them. So I just reverse gear
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and return to this world, which suits me just fine.
Is Dad? Jasper begins to ask these worlds that you
refer to, Mike, not so much world's Dad, as planes
of existence. Though we have sun and the skies and
acres of beautiful flowers here, we don't have rain as
you know it, Nor is there any blight to destroy
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the beauty of the trees. They look exactly the same
as they do on Earth, with one big difference. However,
here they are all perfect. There are no high winds
to warp and twist them. There are only gentle breezes.
It is always coolish warm, if you know what I mean.
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My greatest joy here is my sense of perfect freedom.
We can go wherever we like, whenever we feel like it.
This world is infinite, and though everyone you meet on
this plane is at the same stage of development as yourself,
he is still a rugged individualist in his own right,
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just as he was on Earth. Everyone has his or
her own way of looking at things and his or
her own way of speaking their mind. When you discuss
anything here, you always learn something new because the person
you are talking to has such an original attitude. And
as I said, thought is all powerful here. For example,
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if I want to own a brand new Jaguar, all
I have to do is visualize the car in my mind,
and it is created right there before my eyes out
of the thought energy of this world. If we are
far away from one another and we want to make contact,
telepathy is the accepted thing here. I merely have to
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think of the fellow I want to speak to and bingo,
he's right there. We contact each other as easily as
you use the telephone, except that we don't need to
pick up a phone. If someone wants to talk to you,
you first hear him in your mind. If you want
to go to him, you merely exert your will, and
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in two ticks you're right there. Takes a bit of
practice and getting used to, but it beats TV by
a mile. You see how perfect everything is. This world
is the right one for me at this stage of
my development. But as my vibrations become more refined, I
shall be able to visit the higher planes with ease.
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And when I want to study the law and learn
how it operates, we go to the Hall of logic.
There are many halls of knowledge and wisdom. Here we
can travel from one end of this realm to another
as fast as lightning. Our bodies never get tired. Illness
and sickness don't exist here. This is a world of perfection.
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All this information took Jasper some considerable time to digest,
and his next question to Mike was, Mike, if you
are safe in the infinite domain of God? Where is hell?
This was met by a burst of hearty laughter. G
Dad answered Mike, Hell only exists where you are now.
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Those were excerpts from the book From My World to Yours.
It's time for our next break, and when we come back,
we'll hear more stories from people in the afterlife. You're
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
I'd like to now introduce you to the work of
medium Leslie Flint. Mister Flint became a famous British medium
not because he stood on a platform to give messages
from the deceased, but because countless thousands of spirit people
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spoke for themselves out of the darkness. He was called
a direct voice medium. These voices were independent of mister Flint.
He even spoke with them himself, describing the voices that
were heard above my head and slightly to one side
of me. By the time his book Voices in the
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Dark was first published in nineteen seventy one, Flint had
already been a medium for over forty years, yet he
continued with his work for another twenty years. His experience
and knowledge of what happens to us after death is
second to none. His mediumship was tested by independent researchers
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time and time again, and still the voices came to
speak their messages to their loved ones that we are alive,
we are eternal spirits living a physical life, and that
we do live on after death. Although Leslie Flint passed
in nineteen ninety four at the age of eighty three.
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Journalist Neville Randall spent two years sifting through the hundreds
of recordings made by George Woods and Betty Green with
people who spoke through medium Leslie Flint. Randall's book Life
After Death is a detailed account of life beyond the
grave in the worlds of the people who live there.
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Many say it is the most reassuring and down to
earth book about the other side ever written. Here's a
few words from chapter four, titled I must be dead?
What is it like to die? The prospect from this
side of the grave is not inviting. If we are lucky,
it's quick. For most of us, it's something we prefer
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not to think about. Could we have gotten it wrong?
The message from the other side is rather different. Nothing
much to worry about, just a natural transition from one
existence to another. None of the voices who came back
through Leslie Flint to describe what happened remember being frightened
or in any pain. Most of them took quite a
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while to realize they were not still alive. The moment
of death for all of them was a dream which
changed into a new sense of reality. Their main worry
is why the folks they left behind were scurrying around
in such a panic and could not see that they
were still alive, happy and well. As soon as a
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communicating spirit has mastered the problem of turning his thoughts
into words through Flint's ecdoplasmic voice box, he usually starts
talking with all the eagerness of a traveler calling at
the end of a long journey to share his impressions
of his destination. Betty Green takes the first opportunity to
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steer them towards sharing what interests us most with her
opening question, could you give us your reaction on finding
out that you were dead? This was the question she
put to a voice who had introduced himself on April eleventh,
nineteen fifty nine, as a Sussex farmer named George Hopkins.
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Here are his words. Well, I just had a stroke
or a seizure or a heart attack, something of that sort.
As a matter of fact, I was harvesting. I felt
a bit peculiar, thought it was the sun, and went
down in the hedge. I felt a bit drowsy and
must have dozed off. But dear, oh, dear, I had
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such shock I woke up as I thought, the sun
has gone down, and there was me, or what appeared
to me me. I was puzzled. I tried to shake
myself to wake myself up. I thought, well, this is funny.
I must be dreaming. I couldn't make heads or tails
of it. It never struck me that I was dead.
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This chapter on George continues with him trying to get
people to realize that he was still alive before he
moves on to the other side. Here's a story about
another George. Old George Wilmot recalled his astonishment when he
passed at being green by his old horse, Old Jenny,
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he said, used to pull my cart in the early years.
I was real upset when poor old Jenny collapsed and died.
She was as near to me as any woman could be.
In fact, more so, I had great affection for old Jenny.
She knew everything that I ever said to her, and
she was as cute as they come. The first thing
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I remember when I woke up over here was being
in well, I suppose you'd call it a field. I
seemed to be sitting or lying under a tree. I
remember waking up. I could see this horse coming towards me,
and there was my old Jenny. She looked younger, of course,
and she was so thrilled and so happy. You could
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sense and feel it. I can't say how. This is
something I can't explain, but it was almost as if
she was talking to me. I couldn't hear any voice,
and you don't expect to hear a horse speak, but somehow, men,
I suppose I could hear her. Now I realize it
was as if she was speaking to me and welcoming me.
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She came beside me and was licking my face. Goodness me,
I'll never forget this as long as I live. I
was so thrilled and excited. And then I heard a
voice behind me. I turned around and there was a
fine looking chap I should think he was about six
foot two, fair haired, young and he says, I've come
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to look after you, come to look after me. I said,
what are you talking about? I was so taken aback,
what with Jenny and the rest of it. Yes, I'm
going to look after you, he says, I've been put
in charge of you. What do you mean in charge
of me? I'm capable of looking after myself. You don't
understand he said, you know you are dead. In the
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rest of the chapter, George continues with Michael and the
horse Jenny, and of course Michael explains that all of
our animal companions get to be with us in the
spirit world and they can talk to us with their thoughts.
In chapter twelve, the voice comes through of a London
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flower cellar named Rose Hawkins. She was asked questions about
what life is like on the other side and if
she could describe it. Rose says, you've asked me to
describe our world in material language. I don't know which
way to start. I suppose if you could think of
all the beautiful things in your world, without all the
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things that aren't pleasant, you'd have some vague idea of
what it's like. Beautiful natural surroundings, flowers, birds, trees, lakes,
The sun is always shining. You might think it gets
a bit monotonous, but it doesn't. She's asked, Is it
easier to grow flowers over there than it is here? Well,
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you plant them up, but we don't have seasons. They
don't need water. Everything just grows naturally. Is your world
very much like this world, She's asked, only more beautiful? Well,
I suppose yes, I would compare it very much like
a beautiful English countryside. That's the nearest I can explain it.
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Have you villages and towns? She was asked, Well, we
haven't towns as you understand them. There are places where
I suppose you'd call them towns in a sense, where
thousands of people congregate together, but there's no buses or trains. Well,
how do you travel? We walk, or if you've got
any distance, you just think of the place you want
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to be in, close your eyes, and then in a
split second you're there. Do you live in a house? Rose, Well,
yes I do live in a house, but I don't
have to. But I've never seen anyone who doesn't. Houses
are very real. We've got architects and designers and so on.
They create and build, but it isn't hard labor like
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it is on your side. Do you use money or
anything like that over there? Money? She says, You can't
buy nothing here with money. The only thing you can
get here is by character and the way you lived
your life, and the way you think and act. But
we're wondering how do you get the architects to do
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the work? Rose said, Well, you don't pay him He
does it because he loves to do it. He loves
to design houses. He loves to do that kind of work,
the same as the musician who loves to play the violin.
He's just happy to entertain as friends and people, and
they form orchestras and choirs. They do everything for love.
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Everything is done for love. And anyone, for instance, on
your side, who never had a chance in life, perhaps
they wanted to be a musician or an artist. They
can study over here, you see, and be whoever they
want to be. Do you eat anything, she was asked.
We have fruit and nuts, she replied, and we have
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all the things you can imagine from your world. But
I don't eat meat or any flesh of any kind.
You know, what do you do with your flowers? Rose?
Do you use them to beautify places? Well, of course
you can if you want to. You can cut the
flowers and you can use them in your home, But
very few people do that. After a time, we usually
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only see people doing that who haven't been here long.
All the flowers are natural, they have their own life,
and I don't think it's the right thing to cut
them all down. But if you're sitting inside your house
and you want to see the flowers outside, you don't
necessarily have to go outside to see them. You can
just think about them, and there they are you can
see them. Rose. Do you sleep, Oh, yes, you can
(37:52):
sleep if you feel so inclined. But it's not necessary
because you don't feel tired. How do you measure space
and time? Well, I don't know. There isn't measurement of
time as I understand it. We are not conscious of time.
Mentally you think, oh, well, it's afternoon, evening or night.
But things don't affect us. Time is, after all, only
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man made. Rose. What is the sky like? Oh, there
are clouds in the sky from time to time. It's
a beautiful sky, nothing you could ever dream of. It
isn't necessarily blue. It can be with the green and
red and all kinds of magnificent colors. There are colors
over here that I've never seen on earth. Rose goes
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on to describe how people dress, that there are lakes,
there are boats, what people do for their pastime, playing music,
being together, going to the halls of learning, and much more.
It is time for our break. When we come back,
there'll be a bit more from the book Life After
(38:59):
Death by Neville Randall, and you'll hear some words from
a person in the afterlife through the direct voice mediumship
of Leslie Flint. So just remember I'm still me and
you're still you when we cross over into the afterlife.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
I thought it would be appropriate to play some words
spoken in one of these sittings with Leslie Flint so
that you could actually hear the voice of a spirit person.
Imagine a small group of people and they get to
talk to their deceased loved ones. On this occasion, a
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woman by the name of Jenny Wilson spoke with the group.
This recording is just the tip of the iceberg. Go
to Leslie Flint dot com where there are hundreds of recordings.
Here is Jenny Wilson, who passed during childbirth, talking about
her experience and the other side.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
You uh spirits true, Yes, that you are still on
the earth.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I am a spirit too, not on the That's the
only difference they train you and me. I am being
here a long time now. I did not believe all
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this when I was on your side.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Now I know better. You are spiritual is.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
They called them and understate you believe in communication.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
That's why I'm here. Can you give a Jenny said
all about you. I had my share of travel. Now
I haven't got a care in the world.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
On the earth, Jenny, I was brought up in the
country place called small food, that is right, small foot,
we called it.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
I was one of a.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Family of eleven children, and when we were quite small children,
we would have to be up early in the morning
and go to work in the fields, sometimes potato picking
according to the season, sometimes stone picking, all sorts of
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things to earn extra two coffers.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
I married when I was eighteen. My husband worked on
a farm.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Laborer, plowing, hoing according to the seasons. I died in
child's firths with my first child. I was out in
the fields in those days. We had to work up
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to the very last. Now and then you were lucky
if you had a doctor, usually a woman in the
religio or someone would help. Both the baby and me
died in a age. I have been here many years now, Jady.
We went up together your baby.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
Well, now did you bring your baby up in spirit?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Well? Yes, and I have here now beside me my daughter.
And if you could see us, we look like each other.
I don't look any older, and she has grown up
to a fine young woman.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
Now my husband.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Married again, Yes, and he is here, and we are
often together on this side of life.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
But we do not live together.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
That we are together, you understand, and I find it
very funny coming to talk to you in this way.
I hope you can hear what I say, as you
must be getting on now for one hundred years.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
I suppose, Jenny, how do you bring a baby up?
And say? Well, like that different from.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
How do you do it?
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Well?
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Asa as I can tell you the same as you
would have done more or less on earth, excepting as
sar as I can understand and my own experience, you
don't have some sort of material as you call.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
It ways I suppose to do.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Really, you have to realize that it's the spirit with
you out bringing up and educating and helping.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
It's not the body. In the same way.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
It looks much the same, and it takes time. I
suppose that it would have done on Earth. One is conscious,
I suppose in a way of time. In my case
is because I was young and the child was new,
I was given the joy of bringing the child up
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as if it were almost the same.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
As I pass.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Gradually watched he grow up and play with other children
of the same sort of age, and gradually go to
school and learn various.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
Things that were considered necessary. You see and of.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Course I taught to little things, but I realized that
I had no education.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
I couldn't read or write.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
I'd never been to school in my life.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
My daughter dances, and she loves music, and she's a
beautiful dancer. Oh, she is really beautiful. You should see her.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
She's like what you call it a fairy because over here,
you see, they have great processions and great and get
togethers or oh, I don't know what you call them
pageants or something like that, and they have great sort
of places where you go and all sorts of beautiful
things happen, the music and color and dancing, and oh,
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it's very beautiful. And she plays in sam Elisia ceremonies
as you call them, you see, and she is really good.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
I often wondered, you know, because I mean, I knew
I'd never have a chance to do anything when I
was on your side, because as well, I've never been
to what they call the theater on your side. A
climatized as my beautiful lady. I remember being under the
age h and I knew that I was going to die.
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I don't know what I knew I was. And some
women were two women actually friends of mine and one
and going running off to try and get out as
the one was there, and I knew I was going
to die. I knew, I didn't know how I knew
I knew I was It was if this is I
was twisted and twisting away, and I could hear the
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striend trying to help the comfort, but court there's nothing
they could do after circumstances, and I knew I was
going to pass, as you call it, And anyway, I
remember some of alution of myself and didn't find it
myself as funny, and said, I don't know that I
was standing standing in the fields and I left this
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baby in my arms, which I had, I just didn't
have to stand at a two, and so I should
be standing in the middle of this field, and all
around me I could see my art. It seemed a country,
and yet it was not the same countries I've been used.
Speaker 5 (49:08):
To, but different or different.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
There were trees, but I knew there weren't real trees,
and the country side, though it wasn't real country side,
and I guess, sort of deep down inside me felt lost,
as if I was in a dream. And I had
a feeling that I was in a kind of dream,
and that all these things would disappear.
Speaker 5 (49:34):
Then I realized that I.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Was in a strange sort of country, but nothing I'd
seen before, and yet it wasn't real. And all of
a sudden, I sort of procession, whereas thought I thought
it was of people all dressed in beautiful garments, coming
up a wise.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Sort of road.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
I was told that I had arrived and that all
was well, there was nothing to worry about anymore, that
this would be my home. I would be looked after
from the child, and that this would be made up
to me from all the unhappiness I've known, and that
this would be my future place in which i'd gradually
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find a new self.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
That's the way they put it, a new self.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Just close your eyes and lose yourself, just pre quiet
and of peace, and when you come around later, we'll tell.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
You more about everything. But this is not the right way.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
I would just know that you've come home and you're safe,
and so it's the baby and data we'll tell you
more about it. Oh, it was wonderful, and that this
was my reception, they called it, and it all was well,
that wasn't to be unhappy anymore, and that my child,
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and I had been given new life in the realms
of happiness, as they called it. Right, So they said
these things obviously that I had understand them, that I've
learned to love more since much more are much more.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
But you did ask me a lot how I came.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
That I can't say it more now, and I can
come again and tell you how things have been.
Speaker 5 (51:26):
Since started for my coming. That I can't say that
this business is daying.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Well, that's nothing much to it, really. I suppose it's natural.
Speaker 5 (51:39):
We all fear it. Then on your.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
Side that it's natural and it's not a different.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
Really in a way to being born.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
Anyway, I'll come with I came another time.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
I must go by.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
That was Jenny Wilson through the direct voice mediumship of Leslie.
I do need to tell you I edited it because
there were some long gaps between words, just to make
it a little easier for you to hear. Check out
the book Voices in the Dark by Leslie Flint, who
was sixty years a medium, and the website Leslieflint dot
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have done a lot of work and if you feel
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there is more to life than meets the eye, and
there's more to you than you know. Fear not, you
will always be you Remember. Come visit me at We
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Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I was
(01:12):
recently on social media and one of my classmates from
high school mentioned something about our fortieth high school reunion
and it took me a second forty years since I
graduated high school. That must make me fifty eight, and
it does. But inside I'm still me. Very hard to believe.
(01:36):
I'm fifty eight years old, and whatever age you are,
you probably feel the same way. You're still you. I'm
still me. We look in the mirror, though we may
look a little different. In fact, living in our bodies,
there may be some aches and pains and things have changed.
But we are still us, aren't we. I found this
(02:01):
quote author unknown, but I'd like to read it to you.
I asked an elderly woman once what it was like
to be old and to know that the majority of
her life was behind her now. She told me that
she has been the same age her entire life. She said,
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the voice inside of her head had never aged. She
has always been the same girl, her mother's daughter. She
had always wondered when she would grow up and be
an old woman.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
She said.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
She watched her body age and her faculties dull, but
the person she is inside never got tired. She never aged,
She never changed. Remember, our spirits are eternal, our souls
are forever. So the next time you encounter an elderly person,
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look at them and know that they are still a
child inside, just as you are still a child. And
children will always need love, attention, and purpose. Don't you
just love that?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I think this episode will be titled I'm Still Me,
because when we migrate to the other side, we simply
open our eyes and we're still us. We just happen
to be being greeted by our loved ones pets that
have passed, but we are still very much alive. Think
(03:40):
about when you woke up this morning, You're still you.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Of course, You've got years of a past that are
behind you, but they don't live in the present moment.
You live in the present moment two right now listening
to shades of the afterlife. On our episode today, I
want to tell you different stories that come from different
people who have died. I love telling these kind of
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stories because throughout the beginning of time there have been
different kinds of mediums who have brought through loved ones.
There's been physical mediums, trance mediums. What we see in
the world right now is a lot of evidential mediums
who will say, I've got your mom here. She used
to make you raspberry pancakes every breakfast and you will
(04:28):
say yes, right, So that's evidential mediums, trance mediums. Well,
you've heard mister Eric, an old English voice speaking through
a young man named Scott Milligan. You've heard him many
times on Shades of the Afterlife. But in time, in past,
there were people that were trance mediums, but they would
(04:51):
actually channel your loved ones. So what this would look
like is the medium would be in front of you,
eyes would be closed. It may sound like the medium's voice,
but the words coming through would be from your loved one.
This kind of mediumship is very, very very rare. In fact,
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when you think of the movie Ghost and you think
of Whoopi Goldberg, she was channeling Patrick Swayze to Demi Moore,
And that's kind of what I'm talking about. Now. I
have the opportunity to study trance mediumship at Arthur Finley College,
and the instructor did a demonstration of this, well we'll
(05:38):
call it trance channeling. She did it two times. One
the person in front of her was a man, and
the other the person in front of her was a woman,
and each time it was one of their parents that
spoke through her directly to the recipient with details to
prove that it was really them words, letting the person
(06:01):
know that there's still very much with them and of
course there's always love shared. And seeing this is so wonderful.
I can honestly say I cried really hard after it
because imagine what it would be like for your loved
one to talk to you again. Amazing. So my hope
(06:22):
for the future if you're someone who is an evidential
medium right now is you learn a little trance mediumship.
We have Scott Milligan's class online almost every Monday. It
changes a little month to month, and I definitely trust
the tutors at the Arthur Finley College in the UK,
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but it's a beautiful way to let the spirit world
work with us. No one takes us over like you
see in the movies. Some of the stories I will
share with you today came through such trance mediums letting
their loved one know, Hey, I'm still me and I'm
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still alive. I found a handful of stories that just
warmed my heart about still being us in the afterlife,
but also what life is like in the afterlife. The
third type of medium is a physical medium, which is
very rare and currently oh the physical mediums on planet Earth.
(07:26):
A lot of them are doing some weird things, producing
gemstones from out of the darkness. While I don't go
for that. I have witnessed good physical mediumship with a
medium named David Thompson and also Scott Milligan, where loved
one's voices seem to come from out of the air
and talk to their loved one. There was a gentleman
(07:49):
who died many years ago by the name of Leslie Flint,
and I'll be including some of the stories that happened
through his mediumship. Also, Leslie was a physical medium and
he would host small groups of people or one on
one with people back in the day and they'd want
to talk to their loved one. Leslie would have his
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mouth taped shut. He was even tested. They'd put color
dye in his mouth, and yet these voices would still
come from what seemed out of nowhere. So far, he's
the only medium I know that ever existed that was
able to do this. Some of the stories will come
(08:32):
from the recordings of what people witnessed with their loved ones.
Because the voice quality isn't great and these tapes date
way back. I'll tell you the stories in my own voice.
I highly recommend that you check out the website leslieflint
(08:53):
dot com and his book Voices in the Dark. Before
I share the stories, I want to express what I've
learned in the last twenty six years about the actual
dying process. No matter how we get over there, we
are greeted by loved ones and we will feel like
(09:15):
I'm still me. So that's all good. Before that happens, though, ooh,
how do we get there? I think the best way
to go is when we're old and gray after a
long life and we have a natural death. But unfortunately,
there are accidents. Some people pass by illness, some people
take their own lives unfortunately, and others take people's lives
(09:40):
through killings. It's never easy to have someone pass for
those left behind, But for us, we want to know
is it scary? Does it hurt? What does it feel like?
I want to rest your mind that death itself is painless.
Many say it's like getting very sleepy and then just
(10:01):
falling asleep. But those of us who have seen our
loved ones suffer. Like my dad before his passing, he
had cancer and he was in an incredible amount of pain.
It is said by our friends in spirit and through
longtime mediums that our soul can leave the body before
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the body passes, and this has been documented in cases
of near death experiences, many of which I've shared on
Shades of the Afterlife, where people's consciousness is out of
their body and they're able to witness what's happening to
their body from the outside or above. In many cases,
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those who are suffering, their consciousness leaves, and when we
do get to the other side, we may, of course
remember how we passed, but that pain, that memory of
any discomfort before we left, that is gone. There's no punishment,
we've spoken before, there's no judgment. It's for us to
(11:04):
do our own life review. Death isn't the scary part.
Life is the scary part. And of course not a
single one of us wishes to suffer or have our
loved one suffer. So I am a strong proponent if
the end is getting near by sickness, that we all
turn to hospice, which has the best pain medication known
(11:27):
to mankind. So again, when we say we're afraid of death,
that may be afraid of the pain. But I strongly
believe that our consciousness does leave our body before the
body dies. Even in cases of dementia and Alzheimer's. It's
as if those folks have one foot in our world
and one foot they're already seeing into the afterlife. And
(11:51):
let's not forget that we have a greeting committee that
when we're in that in between place, still alive, on
the threshold of passing, loved ones guides. Some people see angels,
we can see into the afterlife. It's all happening to
comfortably bring us across the veil. We'll take our first
(12:13):
break in a moment, but when we come back, you'll
hear about South African lawyer Jasper Swain and his conversations
with his deceased son Mike, with and without the aid
of a medium. Conversations Mike details his new world and
his new life. For instance, Mike says, the actual act
(12:37):
of dying is as simple as dozing off after lunch.
A drowsy feeling fills the whole body with relaxing comfort.
We'll hear his story when we get back. Are you
ready to take the ride into the I'm still me
stories about the other side from people on the other side.
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Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
I'd like to share with you some excerpts from the
book From My World to Yours, which was first published
in nineteen seventy four by South African lawyer Jasper Swain
after his eldest son, Mike, tragically died in a car
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accident in South Africa. Mike, who was just eighteen years
old at the time, was accompanied by Heather, an eleven
year old daughter of one of his friends. Shortly after
the funeral, Jasper went to see missus Nina Marrington, who
had offered him her services to act as a medium
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in order to establish contact with Mike in the spirit world.
After Nina passed into trance, Jasper was startled to hear
her speaking with Mike's voice, addressing him as Shud a
name that only his dead son had ever used. When
asked how the accident happened, Mike said that he would
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place Medium Nina in the driver's seat so that she
could describe exactly how things had transpired the entrance. Medium
began by saying he has placed me in a small
green mini car. It is a terribly hot day and
I'm driving along a very crowded road. There is a
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little girl beside me. Her name is Heather. She is
chatting to me about her mom and dad, who are
in the car ahead of us. I can see their
car approximately fifty yards away. It is gray in color.
It is noon, and there is a mass of holiday
traffic passing us in both directions. Now, I see a
(15:55):
black car coming towards us. As it approaches us, I
see this other car coming behind it. I can see
this other car clearly because it is in the middle
of the road trying to pass the black car. Nina
paused for a moment and said, the sun is glaring
on the windscreen of the black car and reflecting back
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into my eyes. I can see nothing but a bright
silver radiance. It is blinding to me. All of a sudden,
the radiance changes from silver to gold. I am being
lifted up in the air out through the top of
the car. I grab little Heather's hand. She too is
being lifted up out of the car. We have been
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lifted thirty feet above the Mini, and in one horrifying second,
I see the little Mini and this large car collide
head on. The little Mini bounces right off the highway,
right over onto the gravel verge. It is finally brought
to a halt and a cloud of dust when it
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hits a giant hill the large cars turning in mid air,
its nose flips over until it is back to front.
Then it smashes down on the road on its side.
A storm of metallic dust is now glinting all over
the road. The medium Nina stopped, obviously too agitated to continue.
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What impressed her listeners was the fact that Mike had
never seen the other vehicle until after the silver light
had changed to gold. He and Heather had felt no
sense of impact. They had suffered no pain, just a
gentle ascent into the air. Nina recovered herself enough to continue.
Heather and I are still holding hands. We now descend
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beside the Mini. We see two crumpled bodies lying in it.
We feel vaguely sorry that this thing should have happened
to them, and we both fully understand that we are now,
so far as mortals are concerned, dead. We are both
aware that a lot of people have begun to gather
around us. They are dressed in glorious colors. We even
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recognize some of the people. They are the faces of
friends and family who passed beyond the earth before us.
Heather and I are still standing hand in hand, Now
guided by the one who first lifted us into the air,
the two of us sweep towards the skies. We drift
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about the two round hills known as the Breasts of
Sheba in heartfelt joy. The three jasper, his wife, Clarice,
and his second son, Kevin listen, transported by the fact
that the passing had involved neither fear, shock nor suffering.
Mike now addressed himself to his brother. Sometime after the crash,
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Kevin had noticed that dust was gathering on his bicycle,
and he began to clean it. In the process, he
noticed that the drive chain was dry. In too much
of a hurry to find the grease gun, he rashly
decided to take a chance with the oil can. He
messed it up, however, and oil flowed out of the
bottom of the casing and made a pool on the
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kitchen floor. Kevin had mopped up the oil with one
of Mike's dusters, which he promptly washed and iron before
returning it to the drawer. Through the entranced medium Nina,
Mike informed him that he had watched the whole thing
him making a mess, and if he had been there,
he wouldn't have helped him clean it. This left Kevin
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devoid of speech, because this episode had occurred long after
the funeral and no one knew about it except himself.
Mike next turned to his mother. I'm so glad you've
begun to accept what has happened, he told her. Never
allow yourself to mourn. Just send us your love, send
us your happiness. These we can use in service of others.
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The other morning, Mom, just after sunrise, you left the
bedroom and went down to the garden in your dressing gown,
and you picked a single, perfect white rose. I was
with you then, and I surrounded you with all of
my love. Mom. If you ever do get depressed again,
go out into the garden and pick another flower. I
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shall be there with you again and again. Jasper and
Kevin knew nothing of this, having been asleep when Clarice
had gone down into the garden. But in the weeks
that followed, whenever Clarice went alone to the garden, Jasper
and Kevin would notice that, no matter how somber she
was leaving the house, she would come back later with
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her eyes sparkling and her face transformed. Mike, where are
you now? His father? Jasper asked him. The reply came instantly.
I am surrounded by the love and peace of our father.
But where are you? What world are you in? Can
you tell me? I'm in a world that looks pretty
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much the same as your world, Dad, Only there are
different laws up here. When I say laws, I don't
mean the laws that govern behavior of the people. I
mean the laws that govern thought. Mike, tell me more
about that world. How do you get there? Where does
it exist? Dad? Everyone comes here through the gates of death.
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You have to rearrange your values to appreciate its virtues. Though,
while you are still on earth, your thought, your intentions,
everything you do gives your soul a certain rate of vibration.
For argument's sake, let's suppose your soul is vibrating in
a fifty megacycle band. When you die and manifest here,
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you would go straight to the part of our world,
which vibrates at fifty megacycles. By the same token, if
you're a slow thinking sort of a blow o, you
can only vibrate to fifteen megacycles, then you'll become part
of this world in the fifteen megacycle range. It all
depends on your rate of vibration. Therefore, you yourself select
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the kind of scenery that will await you when you
arrive here. The worlds above us are even richer in
light and happiness. If I go up there, and I
can right now, I find it too bright. The light
hurts my eyes, and the vibrations are so refined that
I can't respond to them. So I just reverse gear
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and return to this world, which suits me just fine.
Is Dad? Jasper begins to ask these worlds that you
refer to, Mike, not so much world's Dad, as planes
of existence. Though we have sun and the skies and
acres of beautiful flowers here, we don't have rain as
you know it, Nor is there any blight to destroy
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the beauty of the trees. They look exactly the same
as they do on Earth, with one big difference. However,
here they are all perfect. There are no high winds
to warp and twist them. There are only gentle breezes.
It is always coolish warm, if you know what I mean.
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My greatest joy here is my sense of perfect freedom.
We can go wherever we like, whenever we feel like it.
This world is infinite, and though everyone you meet on
this plane is at the same stage of development as yourself,
he is still a rugged individualist in his own right,
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just as he was on Earth. Everyone has his or
her own way of looking at things and his or
her own way of speaking their mind. When you discuss
anything here, you always learn something new because the person
you are talking to has such an original attitude. And
as I said, thought is all powerful here. For example,
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if I want to own a brand new Jaguar, all
I have to do is visualize the car in my mind,
and it is created right there before my eyes out
of the thought energy of this world. If we are
far away from one another and we want to make contact,
telepathy is the accepted thing here. I merely have to
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think of the fellow I want to speak to and bingo,
he's right there. We contact each other as easily as
you use the telephone, except that we don't need to
pick up a phone. If someone wants to talk to you,
you first hear him in your mind. If you want
to go to him, you merely exert your will, and
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in two ticks you're right there. Takes a bit of
practice and getting used to, but it beats TV by
a mile. You see how perfect everything is. This world
is the right one for me at this stage of
my development. But as my vibrations become more refined, I
shall be able to visit the higher planes with ease.
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And when I want to study the law and learn
how it operates, we go to the Hall of logic.
There are many halls of knowledge and wisdom. Here we
can travel from one end of this realm to another
as fast as lightning. Our bodies never get tired. Illness
and sickness don't exist here. This is a world of perfection.
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All this information took Jasper some considerable time to digest,
and his next question to Mike was, Mike, if you
are safe in the infinite domain of God? Where is hell?
This was met by a burst of hearty laughter. G
Dad answered Mike, Hell only exists where you are now.
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Those were excerpts from the book From My World to Yours.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
I'd like to now introduce you to the work of
medium Leslie Flint. Mister Flint became a famous British medium
not because he stood on a platform to give messages
from the deceased, but because countless thousands of spirit people
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spoke for themselves out of the darkness. He was called
a direct voice medium. These voices were independent of mister Flint.
He even spoke with them himself, describing the voices that
were heard above my head and slightly to one side
of me. By the time his book Voices in the
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Dark was first published in nineteen seventy one, Flint had
already been a medium for over forty years, yet he
continued with his work for another twenty years. His experience
and knowledge of what happens to us after death is
second to none. His mediumship was tested by independent researchers
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time and time again, and still the voices came to
speak their messages to their loved ones that we are alive,
we are eternal spirits living a physical life, and that
we do live on after death. Although Leslie Flint passed
in nineteen ninety four at the age of eighty three.
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Journalist Neville Randall spent two years sifting through the hundreds
of recordings made by George Woods and Betty Green with
people who spoke through medium Leslie Flint. Randall's book Life
After Death is a detailed account of life beyond the
grave in the worlds of the people who live there.
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Many say it is the most reassuring and down to
earth book about the other side ever written. Here's a
few words from chapter four, titled I must be dead?
What is it like to die? The prospect from this
side of the grave is not inviting. If we are lucky,
it's quick. For most of us, it's something we prefer
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not to think about. Could we have gotten it wrong?
The message from the other side is rather different. Nothing
much to worry about, just a natural transition from one
existence to another. None of the voices who came back
through Leslie Flint to describe what happened remember being frightened
or in any pain. Most of them took quite a
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while to realize they were not still alive. The moment
of death for all of them was a dream which
changed into a new sense of reality. Their main worry
is why the folks they left behind were scurrying around
in such a panic and could not see that they
were still alive, happy and well. As soon as a
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communicating spirit has mastered the problem of turning his thoughts
into words through Flint's ecdoplasmic voice box, he usually starts
talking with all the eagerness of a traveler calling at
the end of a long journey to share his impressions
of his destination. Betty Green takes the first opportunity to
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steer them towards sharing what interests us most with her
opening question, could you give us your reaction on finding
out that you were dead? This was the question she
put to a voice who had introduced himself on April eleventh,
nineteen fifty nine, as a Sussex farmer named George Hopkins.
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Here are his words. Well, I just had a stroke
or a seizure or a heart attack, something of that sort.
As a matter of fact, I was harvesting. I felt
a bit peculiar, thought it was the sun, and went
down in the hedge. I felt a bit drowsy and
must have dozed off. But dear, oh, dear, I had
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such shock I woke up as I thought, the sun
has gone down, and there was me, or what appeared
to me me. I was puzzled. I tried to shake
myself to wake myself up. I thought, well, this is funny.
I must be dreaming. I couldn't make heads or tails
of it. It never struck me that I was dead.
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This chapter on George continues with him trying to get
people to realize that he was still alive before he
moves on to the other side. Here's a story about
another George. Old George Wilmot recalled his astonishment when he
passed at being green by his old horse, Old Jenny,
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he said, used to pull my cart in the early years.
I was real upset when poor old Jenny collapsed and died.
She was as near to me as any woman could be.
In fact, more so, I had great affection for old Jenny.
She knew everything that I ever said to her, and
she was as cute as they come. The first thing
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I remember when I woke up over here was being
in well, I suppose you'd call it a field. I
seemed to be sitting or lying under a tree. I
remember waking up. I could see this horse coming towards me,
and there was my old Jenny. She looked younger, of course,
and she was so thrilled and so happy. You could
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sense and feel it. I can't say how. This is
something I can't explain, but it was almost as if
she was talking to me. I couldn't hear any voice,
and you don't expect to hear a horse speak, but somehow, men,
I suppose I could hear her. Now I realize it
was as if she was speaking to me and welcoming me.
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She came beside me and was licking my face. Goodness me,
I'll never forget this as long as I live. I
was so thrilled and excited. And then I heard a
voice behind me. I turned around and there was a
fine looking chap I should think he was about six
foot two, fair haired, young and he says, I've come
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to look after you, come to look after me. I said,
what are you talking about? I was so taken aback,
what with Jenny and the rest of it. Yes, I'm
going to look after you, he says, I've been put
in charge of you. What do you mean in charge
of me? I'm capable of looking after myself. You don't
understand he said, you know you are dead. In the
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rest of the chapter, George continues with Michael and the
horse Jenny, and of course Michael explains that all of
our animal companions get to be with us in the
spirit world and they can talk to us with their thoughts.
In chapter twelve, the voice comes through of a London
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flower cellar named Rose Hawkins. She was asked questions about
what life is like on the other side and if
she could describe it. Rose says, you've asked me to
describe our world in material language. I don't know which
way to start. I suppose if you could think of
all the beautiful things in your world, without all the
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things that aren't pleasant, you'd have some vague idea of
what it's like. Beautiful natural surroundings, flowers, birds, trees, lakes,
The sun is always shining. You might think it gets
a bit monotonous, but it doesn't. She's asked, Is it
easier to grow flowers over there than it is here? Well,
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you plant them up, but we don't have seasons. They
don't need water. Everything just grows naturally. Is your world
very much like this world, She's asked, only more beautiful? Well,
I suppose yes, I would compare it very much like
a beautiful English countryside. That's the nearest I can explain it.
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Have you villages and towns? She was asked, Well, we
haven't towns as you understand them. There are places where
I suppose you'd call them towns in a sense, where
thousands of people congregate together, but there's no buses or trains. Well,
how do you travel? We walk, or if you've got
any distance, you just think of the place you want
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to be in, close your eyes, and then in a
split second you're there. Do you live in a house? Rose, Well,
yes I do live in a house, but I don't
have to. But I've never seen anyone who doesn't. Houses
are very real. We've got architects and designers and so on.
They create and build, but it isn't hard labor like
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it is on your side. Do you use money or
anything like that over there? Money? She says, You can't
buy nothing here with money. The only thing you can
get here is by character and the way you lived
your life, and the way you think and act. But
we're wondering how do you get the architects to do
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the work? Rose said, Well, you don't pay him He
does it because he loves to do it. He loves
to design houses. He loves to do that kind of work,
the same as the musician who loves to play the violin.
He's just happy to entertain as friends and people, and
they form orchestras and choirs. They do everything for love.
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Everything is done for love. And anyone, for instance, on
your side, who never had a chance in life, perhaps
they wanted to be a musician or an artist. They
can study over here, you see, and be whoever they
want to be. Do you eat anything, she was asked.
We have fruit and nuts, she replied, and we have
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all the things you can imagine from your world. But
I don't eat meat or any flesh of any kind.
You know, what do you do with your flowers? Rose?
Do you use them to beautify places? Well, of course
you can if you want to. You can cut the
flowers and you can use them in your home, But
very few people do that. After a time, we usually
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only see people doing that who haven't been here long.
All the flowers are natural, they have their own life,
and I don't think it's the right thing to cut
them all down. But if you're sitting inside your house
and you want to see the flowers outside, you don't
necessarily have to go outside to see them. You can
just think about them, and there they are you can
see them. Rose. Do you sleep, Oh, yes, you can
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sleep if you feel so inclined. But it's not necessary
because you don't feel tired. How do you measure space
and time? Well, I don't know. There isn't measurement of
time as I understand it. We are not conscious of time.
Mentally you think, oh, well, it's afternoon, evening or night.
But things don't affect us. Time is, after all, only
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man made. Rose. What is the sky like? Oh, there
are clouds in the sky from time to time. It's
a beautiful sky, nothing you could ever dream of. It
isn't necessarily blue. It can be with the green and
red and all kinds of magnificent colors. There are colors
over here that I've never seen on earth. Rose goes
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on to describe how people dress, that there are lakes,
there are boats, what people do for their pastime, playing music,
being together, going to the halls of learning, and much more.
It is time for our break. When we come back,
there'll be a bit more from the book Life After
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Death by Neville Randall, and you'll hear some words from
a person in the afterlife through the direct voice mediumship
of Leslie Flint. So just remember I'm still me and
you're still you when we cross over into the afterlife.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
I thought it would be appropriate to play some words
spoken in one of these sittings with Leslie Flint so
that you could actually hear the voice of a spirit person.
Imagine a small group of people and they get to
talk to their deceased loved ones. On this occasion, a
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woman by the name of Jenny Wilson spoke with the group.
This recording is just the tip of the iceberg. Go
to Leslie Flint dot com where there are hundreds of recordings.
Here is Jenny Wilson, who passed during childbirth, talking about
her experience and the other side.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
You uh spirits true, Yes, that you are still on
the earth.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I am a spirit too, not on the That's the
only difference they train you and me. I am being
here a long time now. I did not believe all
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this when I was on your side.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Now I know better. You are spiritual is.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
They called them and understate you believe in communication.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
That's why I'm here. Can you give a Jenny said
all about you. I had my share of travel. Now
I haven't got a care in the world.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
On the earth, Jenny, I was brought up in the
country place called small food, that is right, small foot,
we called it.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
I was one of a.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Family of eleven children, and when we were quite small children,
we would have to be up early in the morning
and go to work in the fields, sometimes potato picking
according to the season, sometimes stone picking, all sorts of
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things to earn extra two coffers.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
I married when I was eighteen. My husband worked on
a farm.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Laborer, plowing, hoing according to the seasons. I died in
child's firths with my first child. I was out in
the fields in those days. We had to work up
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to the very last. Now and then you were lucky
if you had a doctor, usually a woman in the
religio or someone would help. Both the baby and me
died in a age. I have been here many years now, Jady.
We went up together your baby.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
Well, now did you bring your baby up in spirit?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Well? Yes, and I have here now beside me my daughter.
And if you could see us, we look like each other.
I don't look any older, and she has grown up
to a fine young woman.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
Now my husband.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Married again, Yes, and he is here, and we are
often together on this side of life.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
But we do not live together.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
That we are together, you understand, and I find it
very funny coming to talk to you in this way.
I hope you can hear what I say, as you
must be getting on now for one hundred years.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
I suppose, Jenny, how do you bring a baby up?
And say? Well, like that different from.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
How do you do it?
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Well?
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Asa as I can tell you the same as you
would have done more or less on earth, excepting as
sar as I can understand and my own experience, you
don't have some sort of material as you call.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
It ways I suppose to do.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Really, you have to realize that it's the spirit with
you out bringing up and educating and helping.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
It's not the body. In the same way.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
It looks much the same, and it takes time. I
suppose that it would have done on Earth. One is conscious,
I suppose in a way of time. In my case
is because I was young and the child was new,
I was given the joy of bringing the child up
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as if it were almost the same.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
As I pass.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Gradually watched he grow up and play with other children
of the same sort of age, and gradually go to
school and learn various.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
Things that were considered necessary. You see and of.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Course I taught to little things, but I realized that
I had no education.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
I couldn't read or write.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
I'd never been to school in my life.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
My daughter dances, and she loves music, and she's a
beautiful dancer. Oh, she is really beautiful. You should see her.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
She's like what you call it a fairy because over here,
you see, they have great processions and great and get
togethers or oh, I don't know what you call them
pageants or something like that, and they have great sort
of places where you go and all sorts of beautiful
things happen, the music and color and dancing, and oh,
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it's very beautiful. And she plays in sam Elisia ceremonies
as you call them, you see, and she is really good.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
I often wondered, you know, because I mean, I knew
I'd never have a chance to do anything when I
was on your side, because as well, I've never been
to what they call the theater on your side. A
climatized as my beautiful lady. I remember being under the
age h and I knew that I was going to die.
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I don't know what I knew I was. And some
women were two women actually friends of mine and one
and going running off to try and get out as
the one was there, and I knew I was going
to die. I knew, I didn't know how I knew
I knew I was It was if this is I
was twisted and twisting away, and I could hear the
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striend trying to help the comfort, but court there's nothing
they could do after circumstances, and I knew I was
going to pass, as you call it, And anyway, I
remember some of alution of myself and didn't find it
myself as funny, and said, I don't know that I
was standing standing in the fields and I left this
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baby in my arms, which I had, I just didn't
have to stand at a two, and so I should
be standing in the middle of this field, and all
around me I could see my art. It seemed a country,
and yet it was not the same countries I've been used.
Speaker 5 (49:08):
To, but different or different.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
There were trees, but I knew there weren't real trees,
and the country side, though it wasn't real country side,
and I guess, sort of deep down inside me felt lost,
as if I was in a dream. And I had
a feeling that I was in a kind of dream,
and that all these things would disappear.
Speaker 5 (49:34):
Then I realized that I.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Was in a strange sort of country, but nothing I'd
seen before, and yet it wasn't real. And all of
a sudden, I sort of procession, whereas thought I thought
it was of people all dressed in beautiful garments, coming
up a wise.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Sort of road.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
I was told that I had arrived and that all
was well, there was nothing to worry about anymore, that
this would be my home. I would be looked after
from the child, and that this would be made up
to me from all the unhappiness I've known, and that
this would be my future place in which i'd gradually
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find a new self.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
That's the way they put it, a new self.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Just close your eyes and lose yourself, just pre quiet
and of peace, and when you come around later, we'll tell.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
You more about everything. But this is not the right way.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
I would just know that you've come home and you're safe,
and so it's the baby and data we'll tell you
more about it. Oh, it was wonderful, and that this
was my reception, they called it, and it all was well,
that wasn't to be unhappy anymore, and that my child,
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and I had been given new life in the realms
of happiness, as they called it. Right, So they said
these things obviously that I had understand them, that I've
learned to love more since much more are much more.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
But you did ask me a lot how I came.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
That I can't say it more now, and I can
come again and tell you how things have been.
Speaker 5 (51:26):
Since started for my coming. That I can't say that
this business is daying.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Well, that's nothing much to it, really. I suppose it's natural.
Speaker 5 (51:39):
We all fear it. Then on your.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
Side that it's natural and it's not a different.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
Really in a way to being born.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
Anyway, I'll come with I came another time.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
I must go by.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
That was Jenny Wilson through the direct voice mediumship of Leslie.
I do need to tell you I edited it because
there were some long gaps between words, just to make
it a little easier for you to hear. Check out
the book Voices in the Dark by Leslie Flint, who
was sixty years a medium, and the website Leslieflint dot
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com hundreds and hundreds of recordings transcribed. The folks there
have done a lot of work and if you feel
so inclined, perhaps leave a donation. As I often say,
there is more to life than meets the eye, and
there's more to you than you know. Fear not, you
will always be you Remember. Come visit me at We
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Don't Die dot com. Join one of our free Sunday gatherings.
I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to
Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network.
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