Hot and Heavy Colton with Michelle Money

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Famous podcast this week. I'm not just talking to myself.
We realized last week that is as hard as that was,

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it probably wasn't the best idea to do two weeks
in a row. So we brought in one of Bachelor
Nation's favorite contestants. I mean, she is iconic, she is
long lasting, she's beautiful. Michelle Money. Welcome to the podcast. Hey, then,
thanks for happen me. This is so fun. You might
be asking, you know why Ashley and I are in
the same room. No, we don't hate each other. We

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love each other very much. It's been two weeks in
a row. Actually, it's just a big deal. Like, she's
just got a lot of things going on. She's got
a very special announcement coming up this week, so make
sure you tune into her social channels to find out
what she's going to be talking about. She couldn't be
in studio today, so we brought Michelle Money in to
break down the episode with me do a couple of

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really exciting interviews. We have Sydney who left uh Colton's
episode on her own accord uh this week, and also
we have the Bachelor producers from Vietnam on the podcast.
We're gonna give us a little dirt, a little insight,
and a little background about how The Bachelor Vietnam was created.
But before we do any of that, Michelle Money, what

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are your thoughts on Colton Underwood? Oh my gosh, I
am so he is so refreshing for me. I don't
know what I think. At first, I was a little
nervous that he was going to come across arrogant, I
don't know hockey, but she's actually really I'm really impressed
by him and the more I see him um handling

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these situations and all these be Sorry, guys, just a glass. No,
we just tossing stuff over there. Well it together, Ben anyway, No,
I'm super impressed with him. I really, I really think
he's I think he's a genuine good dude. So, Michelle,

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let me ask you a few questions about Colton that
we haven't talked about yet on the podcast. Do you
remember a couple months ago when there's a whole hashtag
going around not my Bachelor? Yeah, you do? Things have
changed a little bit, Huh. I feel like they've changed.
I haven't been checking out any hashtags lately, but it does.
It does seem like, I don't know, it feels it

(02:53):
feels like there's a shift. Yeah, you know, I think
for a couple of reasons. Here's my theory. I was
able to meet with Colton. It wasn't aired. I get
cut from this show all the time. It's it's actually
kind of funny. Every season I seem to go on
or filming a piece and then most seasons that never airs, which,
you know, I don't know what that's telling me. I
think they're trying to humble me a bit. But anyways,

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I met with Colton before this whole thing started on
on camera, and when I sit sat down with him.
He was nervous, he was anxious, he was a little
bit confused, and he felt very unworthy of being the bachelor,
which is perfect for everybody watching because you want a
humble bachelor. Nobody if you just think of the concept

(03:36):
of a bachelor bachelor, like nobody is worthy to be
the Bachelor bachelor and nobody is worried had twenty plus
people seeking after them. Nobody's that cool. And when the
less cool you feel going in, I think the better
bachelor bachelor you'll be. That's probably totally true. Yeah, he uh,
He's kind of won the hearts over of of Bachelor

(03:57):
Nation and it hasn't stopped this week. His social I
will say this about cold, and his social has doubled,
Like his activity on social has doubled in the last
couple of months. So I have a feeling he's going
to come out of this whole thing either very popular
or he's gonna get himself into trouble by posting too much,
one of those two things. But I'm meeting with him
the night and I want to ask him about it,

(04:19):
ask him. I love he posted this photo of him
when he was like in high school in like some
white like really big talks that did not and he
looks like a totally different person. But I think it's
so cool and people can be kind of vulnerable enough
to put themselves out there in a way that's like,
this is maybe not the best photo of me, and
look at me now, like he it was very It

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was a very humble cool posts that I thought said
a lot about him. Have you always been good looking?
Were you like good looking in high school and middle
school and elementary school? Ridiculously good luck, like always like
the top of the class, never had snaggle tooth, never
had a really bad bang that was permed by my mom,
and like none of that happened. It was weird. I

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just came like this, you wanted a little interesting fact
about Michelle Money that I just learned. What a fact.
It's not a fact, it's a Chris Harrison tidbit. So
Chris Harrison just revealed on Janna Kramer's podcast that the
one woman he thought should have become the Bachelorette that
didn't was Michelle Money. He also said Claire Crawley. He

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said those were the two that he thought should have
become that that's so sweet and I'll pay him later.
But um, that's funny. Uh. No, Ben, the correct answers, No, I've,
I've I've spent a lot of money to look this.
Uh Michelle, everybody's wondering, are you dating? I am. I

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have the most incredible love of my life boyfriend. Yes,
so happy. We've been together for almost three years. Um, yeah,
I'm really really, I'm really happy. Good for you. Professional golfer,
Yeah he is. Yes, then he's like your dream man.
He's a professional golfer. Yeah, he's everything I'd ever want

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to be. But I'm not. Yeah, I I practice enough
to be a professional golfer. Do you I see I
see post there? Did I see you? Last year? I
shall put a lot of these events acting like I belong,
and I wear nice clothes, and I bring my golf
clubs to see if anybody's gonna ask me to play.
Typically they don't, but at least I'm there. Well, Harrison

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is a good golfer. He is, he is, and he
just got back from the A T. T. Pebble Beach.
Everybody out there listening to make sure you check out
Chris Harrison's social Not only has he announced his newfound
love Lauren Ziema, but he also just got done playing
at the A T and T Pebble Beach. He's a
really good golfer. He's a lot of fun doing it.

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I'm trying to convince him to play with me in
a couple of outings this year. So if that happens,
you know that I'll be a happy guy because I
need to play some more golf. Chris Gerson Michelle. Before
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in the studio, Ben Michelle. This week's episode of The Bachelor,
we had to see some drama played out. Let's start
with talking about maybe the biggest dramatic storyline of this episode,

(09:39):
which was Nicole and on Yanka. They gotten a tiff,
a little battle, and Cole and sends them both home.
Do you think you made the right decision? I do,
But I want to break this down. This is what's
so fascinating to me. It's un it's just so interesting

(09:59):
how it's just a great reminder for us as as
viewers watching the show. I think you can watch this
show and take so much of it and applied to
your life and learn and go from it. And I
think this is one of those experiences where you're like, Okay,
you know, an Yanka thought she was doing the right
thing by taking information from release that she assumed to

(10:20):
be true. However, it was none of her business and
she kind of stopped, you know, into a territory that
wasn't really I don't know again, not not really her business,
but it turned into this bigger deal that did not
need to happen, and um, you know, it sounds to
me like that wasn't the context in which it's the

(10:45):
statement of her wanting to use this as an opportunity
to leave Miami. It sounds like that was taken out
of context. And it's just so important for us to remember,
like we have to be so careful how we're relaying
messages like gossiping, how we're taking you know, story raising,
not really if it doesn't come straight from the horse's mouth,
we really don't know if it's true or not. And
this is just a sad example of what can happen

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when you aren't minding your own business and when you
aren't there to hear the actual words come out of
someone's mouth, and I think unfortunately it just unraveled into
both women bringing out the worst in each other, and
unfortunately Colton having to witness that firsthand. Yeah, you know
it was great, Michelle, are almost as Facebook group kind

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of blew up over this topic. We have a great
Facebook group, by the way, a really good community of people.
They actually this week one of the leaders of the
Facebook group had a birthday and the whole group, uh
started tweeting at me to say, what's your having birthday?
So I did, um. But we have a lot of
good support out there. But I always like to read
the Facebook group because it does give me insight into
how Bachelor Nation is feeling a little bit in your

(11:55):
spot on last week on the episode, we talked about
playing the game of telephone, right. I mean, it's kind
of like that game where one person tells one person
one thing and the next person tells another person another thing,
and by the time it gets to the final result
that the story has changed completely. Unfortunately, though, everybody suffered
because of this, And and that's where I think the

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question of what did he do the right thing comes
in mind for me, is because Nicole really didn't do
anything wrong. She she didn't say or it did. It
wasn't setting in the context that it was being communicated
the Colton do the right thing and just saying you
know what, I can't deal with this in general. I
mean Nicole, really, I feel like she took the worst
part of this. I agree, but I think the way

(12:38):
that she handled it said a lot to not that
there's any like right or wrong way to handle something
I can't imagine having been put in her situation. But unfortunately,
I think on top of being in this super unique,
like high emotions, super like competitive environment, it just when
when stressful situations happened like this, it says a lot

(13:01):
about how you handle those situations. And I don't necessarily
know if I don't know what the right thing to
do is, but I it just didn't bring out the
best in either of them, unfortunately, And and Holton was
there to witness that firsthand, and I guess made that
decision on his own. Um, what would you have done? Ben? Uh?

(13:24):
You know, it's hard to say. I don't think Colton. Honestly,
I can't say Colton did the wrong thing here because
I think you're kind of You're very right in the
sense of there's so much pressure, there's so much going
around around you, on around you. At all times. You're
trying to keep your head above water, and at some
point when something like this comes up, you weigh your options.
You Okay, obviously he if we're truthful, he wasn't that

(13:45):
ending the coal and he wasn't the end of Anko
because he would have kept them around. Um. But instead
he said, you know what, like I'm just this is
just best if we clean the slate here, if we
just start start over, take this situation and kind of
separate it from this group and move forward with the
women that I know I want to be with. So
I think he did the right thing. Uh. I would

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like to ask you, Michelle, before we get into the
one on one day with Hannah ge and oh my god,
there was one on one day and a half. I
was gonna say, I felt all sorts of weird in here.
Uh that's a lot. But before we get into that,
you've been on the show. You've done well at the show,

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and when I mean when I what I say by
that is you were yourself. You're authentic and you're true
to yourself. Uh. You pursue this thing the best you
possibly could. What would be your advice to anybody out
there that's putting a pressured situation that's trying to explain
themselves on this show? What kind of thought process do
you go through to kind of decide what's true and

(14:50):
what's not and what do you share with the Bachelor
and what you don't when you're actually on the show.
Is that you're saying, yeah, when you're on the show, Well,
it's it's so hard to answer that question because it
is so complete. It is such a completely different world.
I mean, it's shocking to me to look back and
think about how I went into that show, The Bachelor

(15:11):
in particular, thinking that I was a pretty normal woman,
and left feeling like maybe I'm actually super jealous and
insecure and actually like I don't even know who I am.
It's it's fascinating the world that they create that that
makes brings out the worst in you. I mean, we're
talking like the jealousy, the competition, sizing yourself up, like

(15:35):
am I good enough? Is am I pretty enough? I've
never felt emotions like that in my whole life until
going on that show, and and so it it's easy
for me to sit here and say, you know what,
remember who you are, Remember like be present, like take
a breath, like remember that this isn't a real world
you're living in, and align with your your your true self.

(15:57):
But you know, until you're walking in someone's shoes, until
you're actually in that situation, it's so hard to even
give like valid advice. Do you know what I'm saying?
Does that make sense? I almost don't know how to
answer that. Yeah, you know, I know exactly what you're saying.
You're touching on something that our listeners always love to hear,
and it's true and authenticity and vulnerability that crosses the

(16:22):
I guess what you watch on TV and it's the Hey,
this is really hard when you're in it. You're experiencing
things you've never experienced before. You're competing or seeing fighting
after somebody you probably care a little bit about. You
might not fall in love with the bachelor Bachelor, but
you care about them. You want to be there because
you have friends there, You're experiencing amazing things, and at

(16:43):
the end of the day, you also probably you know,
have this interest and intrigue into who the lead is
and all these things. It puts a pressure cooker around you,
and you get insecure because there's everybody's around you is
good looking and they're confident, and they're you know, coming
off and edible in their dress. Nice. All these things
are hard and it's not your typical environment and people

(17:06):
react differently to it, and we have to understand why
and give grace in those situations because this is not easy.
It's not as easy as it looks on television. It's
really hard. We watch two hours every week of what
do you think? Um, I mean, it's almost twenty four
seven filming. I mean, there's a lot of stuff going

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backslash famous. Thanks Michelle. Michelle, I gotta be honest, I

(19:16):
feel a little bit weird, a little bit odd about
this next little segment talking about the energy one on
one you do. I mean, I'm in a happy relationship
with a man. Meanwhile, I want to be taking a
mud bath with Hannah. Gee. I was gonna say, I
don't know how to talk about this without like, sometimes
I get giddy, but sometimes I just feel weird. Right now,

(19:38):
I just kind of feel weird and giddy, like I
watched this and I didn't know how to feel. Um,
would you like to bring David the Chicken man into
this conversation? He's on the phone. Nobody that my mark.
There's nobody that makes situations less awkward than David the Chicken,
So yeah, please bring him in. Can we call him up?
He's right here. And by the way, we got an

(19:59):
email from Nicole saying, can you please bring David the
Chicken back on the podcast? He was so funny when
you guys had him on all the time, and he
hasn't but not it forever thank you. Yeah, David, you
out there, buddy? Hey Ben, Hey Ashley, how's it going.
It's it's you've already made this awkward, David. It's it's
it's confusing. I know I'm filling in for Ashley. It's

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Michelle Money. How are you hey? What's going on, Michelle?
I'm well, I'm well good. Thanks for having me, guys, Michelle.
One thing you might not know about David is not
only is he incredibly good looking, Tan and um just
super cares Mack, he's also super smart. So let's catch
up with him. David. You're getting your You're what masters
right now? Yeah? I'm getting my MBA at the University

(20:44):
of Miami. Enjoying the like down here in Miami. It's
pretty fun. What does that mean? Are you shirtless at
the bar every weekend? Right now? I'm actually on campus,
but there is a bar on campus, so I could
be incredible. M David. What do you think so far
of this year's season with Colton? So, to be completely honest,

(21:08):
I actually haven't been able to watch everything. I've watched
clips and read a lot um From everything I see
and everything, I know, he's doing a great job. And
you know, he's uh, like he's enjoying the whole entire journey,
and you know he's having fun with it. It looks
like um, and you know, I think it's been a

(21:31):
great season so far from what I've seen. Is there
any moment in the last year and a half that
you've been watching this show and been like that should
have been me? I know, not at all. Uh, you know,
I'm happy without think that turned out. Happy to be
in school. Um, I'm good with where I am in life.

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That's great. I've always loved you, David, you know that. Um.
I liked it when you came on the podcast more.
I feel like once you started getting smarter and more
edge located, you stopped coming on the almost famous podcast.
I want to ask you why, no, no, you guys
just didn't call me. I love I love chatting with
you guys and love you too. Then, um, you know,

(22:15):
I mean, look, it's really fun to have, you know,
have Bachelor in part of my life and it'll always
be part of my life. But that's exactly what it is.
You know, it's a part of my life. It's not
my end all be all, and um, you know, it's
just it's a great aspect of you know what I
did and I'm happy I did it, you know what
I mean. That's how often the two of you get

(22:38):
recognized now, Uh, just walking around town or on the
streets and people say you're so and so from the Bachelor.
You answer that first, David the Chicken and how about you? Well,
it's so so Living in Utah, I hosted a talk
show for like three years. A lot of I was
on TV at home in Utah too, so a lot

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of times people would recognize me from good things you
taught or from the Bachelor. But it just depends on when,
and it just depends on on when and where, like
what's actually going on, Like yeah, exactly, Um, I completely agree.
And um, you know it's really dependent on where I go.
If I go to Ah, let's say bar where it's

(23:22):
the watcher's demographic, Yeah, sure, Um, you know, people are
going to recognize me and people will come up and
say hello, and it's really fun. I mean, my friends
love it. My friends loves being you know when that happens,
and it's it's really it's it's really cool and like
one of the things that I've never thought before, like
people would recognize me oh my god, it must have

(23:42):
done something really cool. So I don't know, it's fun. Ben.
How often are you do you get recognized? I feel
like a lot. Yeah, Like I feel like when you
are yeah, did you like always said that was so
much confidence. I've been thinking about this. Basically I thought
it would stop, but I feel like Bachelor Nation just
either continues to grow or that I just run into

(24:05):
random people at random times. But I mean, I think
any place, especially like airports or stuff like that, like
people love this show so much and so yeah, people
seem to still you stop and say hey, you're so
and so. I mean, I'm three years out on this
thing and people. I feel people can pick up on
your energy, like if you're like if I'm like open

(24:28):
and like my head's up and I'm like, people will
come approach me more often about like if I'm my
head's down, I'm like on my phone, people kind of
like are a lot more reluctant to come say anything.
I always love it when people do. It makes me
feel so special and people are so nice. And I
think one of one of the interesting things is when
I when I meet people and I'm you know, very
self aware of kind of how the show went, and

(24:50):
they'll say, oh, here's the Here's the one thing you
know about David is he likes to describe himself. He's
very self aware, all right, So in any case, but
when when people you know come up and talk to
them for call it five ten minutes, um, and you know,
I'm just me, and you know, they end up saying, Wow,

(25:10):
you're actually you know, you're really nice in person. You
know you didn't necessarily come off that way on the show.
And that's the same same I get that too, broth.
You know, it's just like, I know, I wish I
could talk to all those people out there, but I can.
And you know, it's just fun to actually show people
who I am in person and talk with the real

(25:32):
may if you will. I like to think that the
Almost Famous podcast did a really good job at kind
of reinventing who you are to the public. I think
I think we can all take credit. I heart video
can for letting people know the real David. You know what,
I get a lot before we let you go, David,
I know you've got a lot of studying to do
and all catching up. Um. I get one of two things.

(25:53):
Most of the time, let's say three things. Every interaction
I have mostly starts with are you been by They
look at me like I don't really know if you
are not, which then follows with your last skinnier on TV,
or it's you know what, you actually are better looking
in person, and it's like this always like that doesn't

(26:13):
like you on the show kind of stuff. Yeah, and
the whole time you're kind of wondering, you know, feel
like thank you a question mark, thank you, I say,
I'm no longer into this. Hey, David, thank you so
much for coming on the podcast. Come back sometime. We
can't have you disappear on us. And if I never

(26:34):
see a picture of you online with your shirt off
at a club in Miami, I'm gonna be very upset
with you. But then we'll have podcast. I can't promise that.
The last thing I'll day is um, I just want
to congratulate my sister. She just had her first baby overnight,
baby boy named Dylan Cooper, and just want to congratulate her.

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Alrighty guys, I'll talk to you guys later. Have a
good thing, heydy Ben. Yeah, do you know I have
a fourteen year old No, I have a fourteen year old.
She just turned fourteen a few days ago. Does she
watch the show? Absolutely not. I'm glad you didn't watch
this week's episode. We're gonna talk about the Hannah Gy

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in front of us. Hey, uh, Michelle, Yes, it's time.
It's time, It's time. Time, It's the moment we've all

(28:51):
been waiting for actions. What's one word you used to
describe the colden hander g one on one? Just hot,
mainly just sexy hot sexual. There's so many words which
I don't know. There's a lot. What's your word? There's
a lot, I don't know. I'm going to throw this
one up to the listeners. Listeners, after watching this week's

(29:12):
episode with Colton and Hannah, g use one word? Can
you write us at Ben and Ashley at I heeart
Media dot com. One word? Just one word that you
would use to describe this date. I have the word
what is it erotic? Yeah? I think that's perfect. That's

(29:32):
exactly Yeah. It was very erotic. It was answer is erotic?
It was a lot to watch. It wasn't. Here's the deal.
I just have to say this, Okay, So Hannah g
has kind of just been like she's a little bit
more meek and soft and sweet and and then but
when she gets those sexual like juice is flowing, she

(29:55):
just comes alive. And so we call it sexual juices,
sexual uses flowing. I mean, I know, I'm so sorry,
but I just I love a girl that just owns
her sexuality because not only is she making out with Colton,
there's like producers, camera guys, there's people all up in

(30:16):
her grill, and she's just in the moment. Man, she
is feeling it. She is going after it. She is
not holding back. She is letting her feminine power take
over that mud bath, that massage table, and she is
enjoying every second of it as she should, as she should.

(30:37):
You you know you're right, and let's like, let's stop
for a second, because yes, I think it's terrific. It's
still hard to watch, Like it's still weird to watch,
is it, though? No, Well this is it's like, my buddy.
So here's the deal. I want to see Colton tonight
at his wine opening. He's starting a wine brand for
his nonprofit and I have to look at this dude

(30:59):
in the eyes after just like I know what was happening. Yeah, yeah,
Like I don't know if I like that. I don't
know if there's any of my friends that I enjoy
getting that close to something so intimate. Well, the first
thing I think of is her parents, like her family.
It's like that that yeah man, she yep, she forgot

(31:21):
that was going to be a thing, and Grandma is
going to be thrilled. But I do, I do have
to give it to her because I I think that
it's it's important and it's okay, and it's a beautiful
part of our sexuality to be able to express ourselves sexually.
And I think it's she just went for it and
he was loving it. And you can tell that their

(31:44):
chemistry is like off the charts right like it's they
it's there and it is strong and it is alive,
and it's yeah it is. I wonder if I want
to sit on this for a little bit, because I
think this is actually more than anything, I really important
part of this whole season is this date because I
do think we saw the chemistry. I thought we saw

(32:06):
the two of them come to live together. I thought,
you know, for weeks, we've kind of wondered, where's hand
to ge sitting this whole thing. She's quiet, she's me
she's she's a little bit more subdued, and so like,
we don't know where they stand anymore. And then this happens,
and once they get together one on one her, you know,
they come alive together. And I think we saw that.
So here's the question. Do you think Colton and the

(32:27):
show knew how much their physical chemistry was kind of brewing?
And so they picked the sexiest day alive to sit
them together with it in so that they're mudded up
in bathing suits together on massage beds like this. This
had to be a little bit playing. This isn't happening
with everybody. No, I think you're totally right because the

(32:48):
episode where they made out in the bed, you could
tell that there was just like there was chemistry. And
and this is the other thing I want to say
about Hannah Gy that I've found to be really refreshing
is there was a conversation between Cassie and Kaylin where
they were kind of alluding to the fact that, like
Hannah Gee, there's not a lot of depth to her.

(33:09):
She's she's kind of been um had to use her
beauty to get this far in life. It will be
interesting to see how this date goes kind of a
deal and I just have to say, like, I find
it like I found I was so drawn to Hannah
Gee after the conversation they had at dinner where she
opened up about the divorce of her parents and and

(33:30):
I think it's easy to assume that these beautiful girls
don't have a lot of depth to them, and yeah,
they might be these sexual beings as well, but there
is depth to Hannah Gee that like she might just
not be opening up to you, right, like this girl,
how I think. I think Hannah Gee seems to have
a lot of depth, and she seems to be very
self aware, and I think she's a smart, beautiful woman

(33:54):
who also steps into her sexuality that I think is
powerful and important. And so I found it to be
incredibly refreshing. And I really think that, Um, just because
she's this beautiful little bombshell, you know, doesn't mean there's
not really, you know, like incredible depth there. Yeah, I

(34:16):
have a question. I want to pause for a second
and just take this off. You just mentioned that you
have a fourteen year old daughter, Um, how then do
you have these kind of conversations with your daughter? As
you know, obviously you know the show is really popular
in pop culture. People your daughter's age are starting to
watch it. Are you starting to kind of have these
talks or if for anybody out there listening is a

(34:38):
mom or has a young young child, how do you
recommend those parents connecting with their children to have these open,
honest dialogues about what they're feeling, what they're experiencing, and
and who they're becoming. Well, I think it's incredibly important
to have the conversation with your children at some age.
I think you can be sixteen and be very immature.
You can also be twelve and be very mature, right,

(34:59):
So I think it's an intuitive thing, but I think
it's so important to to talk to our children about
those sexual feelings about you know, our hormones and the
feelings that come up in our body. They're very real
and they're very powerful, and it's important to understand them
and to know that there's nothing wrong with that and
that they're just it's a normal part of being a human.

(35:22):
And when you feel shame around that or you feel
embarrassed because of it. It's that's not empowering these young girls,
but but giving them the information and helping them, um
understand that it's a it's a sacred, special part of
being a woman, and it's important to to understand it

(35:42):
and to feel it. But to um two, only give
that away when you feel comfortable giving that away, And
that no one should be touching your body without your permission,
that even if someone hugs you like and that you
didn't ask for that. Like. It's just so orton for
these young girls and for all women to to step

(36:04):
into their power and to step until step into their
sexual power and um and not give that away uh frivolously,
but to to see it as the as the feminine
power that we all have within us. Wow, that's terrific.
That's how I feel. I bet you're a great mom.
I haven't seen you around your daughter, but you're a
probably fantastic mother. The so Colton and Hannah Gee have

(36:30):
a very erotic, sexy, steamy date. Here's one thing. I
got an email that said, uh, and this just came
to my personal email, kind of kind of funny, but
they said, one thing that knows about Colton is. He
loves to grab the butt. He's a big greaty grabber.
He is, And I noticed watching this episode he's a
big booty grabber. Yeah, just took that out for all

(36:53):
your listeners out there, Um, Colton's booty grabber. Hey. Uh,
so we're taking off this date and the one on
one uh with Hannah g and the girls now are jealous.
They're nervous about his connection with Hannah because they can
sense it. They can feel it, they can see it.
Something is going on. There is Hannah Gee one of
your front runners. Yeah, like top two um up to

(37:15):
this point, from what I know of her and what
I've seen of her, Yeah, man, she might be Yeah,
I agree, So we're moving on. Then he has a
great date with Hannah Ge. The episode takes us to
a place where we start seeing Sydney melting down a bit.
She's starting to kind of get the lease syndrome where

(37:36):
this isn't working for her. Uh. They haven't had enough time.
Her connection with Colton is fading, and she she kind
of wanted wants to get back home. I don't want
to assume anything on her behalf, and that's why we're
bringing her on the podcast, Sydney, thanks for joining the
Almost Famous podcast. Hi guys, what's up, Sydney. I'm so

(37:57):
excited to talk to you. I feel like I have
seventeen million questions. Okay, First of all, you guys, you
have been so delightful to watch on my television, like
you really are and it sounds like all the girls
love you. You just have carried yourself with such class
and you're such a beauty and I just am so
impressed by you from start to finish. Thank you. That's

(38:21):
so sweet. I mean, it's really hard to do and
certain like situations, so I appreciate you for saying that
the you know, Michelle's were preparing for this podcast. Uh
really did, Sydney. She just said she's proud of you.
She's excited to talk to you, Sydney. I want to
know a little bit of background, right so for anybody
out there listening. Some people listen to this podcast and

(38:42):
they haven't gotten to watch every episode. If you don't
mind giving our listeners a little bit of background about
who you are, your time on the Bachelor, and then
let's end it with you talking about kind of your
thoughts and nerves and how long those lasted leading up
to your time to say goodbye to Colton. Okay, yeah, sure,
So I guess from the show um perspective, I'm like

(39:05):
the dancer girl that came from New York, UM, who
essentially left her job to pursue Colton. So I think
that's like how America was first introduced to me. And yeah,
that's how my journey kind of started on the show. Um,
I've been a dancer since I was like three, So
that's like something that's very special to me and something

(39:25):
that I've always like worked very hard at and always
been like a huge punt of my life. So that's
like my background. And then I think on the show,
you didn't see a ton of me always, but whenever
you did see me, I had some key moments that
I was, uh the girl that was like stretching with
Colton that one episode, Um, I was one banging pots

(39:47):
and parents another episode and yeah, and then ultimately I'm
I had like a very big conversation at the end
with him before my ultimate leaving the show. So that's
the little bit about me on the show. Other than that, Um,
I'm rem Virginia Beach. I grew up there actually school
and I think Burnham's hometown, which was really funny. UM.

(40:09):
So I grew up there was a beach girl. I
started dancing, like I said, when I was really young,
and I was like always a huge part of my
life and I decided to keep pursuing it once I
graduated high school and I went to school UM in
the city at Marymount and graduated, I started the whole
auditioning circuit UM thing that you do in New York,
and I ended up joining UM, an NBA dance team

(40:32):
in the city and I did that for two years,
which was ended up being the job that I left
in order to go onto the show. So it's a
little bit about me in the nutshell. I love it.
I love it, and it sounds like you're super ambitious
and just kind of a woman who knows what she wants,
which is what I loved. I'm seeing you step into
in the episode where you had this hard conversation. I

(40:55):
want to just ask you quickly, was was this like
built up emotion or did it kind of just like
erupt on this particular date. Well, with that last day,
it was definitely not what I had planned for. I
think the build up for me was that I felt
like every time I talked to him, like it was
always a great conversation and we always had a good

(41:17):
time with one another, but anytime I asked him like
harder questions, the things that I needed to know about
him in order for me to really like know that
I can progress with him and actually like see myself
at the end of this with him. Because I was
really serious about getting to the like nitty gritty of things,
I never really thought the answers that I wanted, and
I never felt I felt like he didn't want to
connect with me on that level for whatever reason. So

(41:41):
then that last date, it was a lot of doing
that the whole time I was there, and then by
the last day, I was like, well, listen, like we're
getting very close to hometowns and I've never personally brought
anyone home to meet my family. I've never had work
them before, and it's something I take very seriously. So
I was like, I'm going to take this serious now,
and like, can you change you're you've been doing with me?

(42:01):
Can you actually like fight for me and like be
the man that I need you to be, because it's
not like it doesn't make sense for me to stay
here anymore and just be like a placeholder. So yeah,
that's essentially what my terms were at the end, and
I didn't expect to be leaving the way I did.
But um, what do you mean you what do you mean?
You didn't expect to be? Like? What were you expecting?

(42:22):
I expected to feel when I brought that up to him,
I was hoping that he would be like, yeah, like
I want to fight for this, like I feel good
about this, like I see a sound connection. And I
didn't get that, and I was like, oh, okay, so shoe,
now I should probably go because he's not going to
do it for me. He's not going to get there
for me. So yeah, that's what happened. So you went

(42:45):
to him, which is common in relationships. I've done that
a couple of times. I don't know if you have, Michelle,
but you know, you're you're doubting something, you're questioning something.
It's hard to go out of your way and get
there like the truthful answer or the vulnerable answer. So
kind of approach it like Sidney did. She goes, Hey,
you know what, I'm feeling a little bit like I'm
not in this. I feel like you're not into me.

(43:07):
We're not connecting. Am I reading this wrong or not?
And and Colton just pretty much to you, No, you're
not your your spot on it's probably time to go, Sydney.
Was were you disappointed? Oh? You know? Do you wish
you would have approached it a different way? Is there
a better I mean, Michelle, I want you to if
you can't help me out too, is there a better
way in relationships approach those kind of questions? Yeah, I

(43:31):
mean I'm not disappointed. I'm disappointed because I feel like
maybe he didn't completely good to know me as I
wanted him to, um come, like from the whole time
I was there, like I got to know a lot
of me, but like, um, I wanted to just feel
like I gave my whole self like into the situation
and I don't think that call at all. So that
was disappointing, But I'm not disappointed. And how it ended,

(43:53):
I feel like in a way I might have helped
him on his journey, Like, ultimately, I want him to
find what he's looking for, and I hope that it
not me than he. I can at least help them
to find what that is that was me going into
that thing. Like, this is who I am. These are
things that I need. I know that. I think I
know what the things that you need, and I think
I am those. But if you don't see me as that,
then maybe you need to try harder and find the

(44:15):
person that is supposed to be for you, if that
makes sense. Yeah, that role that you kind of took
on was really like cool to watch because it was
a little bit of like listen, you know, I'm not
I'm not fully connected, like I need more from you.
And I loved how direct you were, And this is
something I think we can take into our lives to
kind of learn from. Is like, you know, a lot

(44:36):
of guys don't really know you kind of have to
spell things out to them. It seems like like you
kind of have to. Like it was like you kind
of sat them down. You're like, so this is what
I'm not getting what I need from you, and can
you give me more? And it was this very direct,
like straightforward conversation that was so refreshing. Um, but I

(44:57):
think that you could tell, you know, after you got
some home. I loved that you kind of took on
this role of like listen, um, don't get distracted by
the shiny things out there. You kind of took on
this friendship role that I think he actually really needed
more so um than anything at that point. Is that's
what it felt like to me, as if you were,
um that like he kind of needed you, like for

(45:18):
that little reminder. Yeah, I know, because it's such a
hard situation. And I totally understood that, and I could
see that he was trying, and I was like, well, ultimately,
this is my goal, my my what I need, and
like I want to help you out in any way
that I can if I am ultimately leaving. So I
hope that I did that, and I feel like I

(45:38):
did that. Um, it seems like you did, so this
is my question. So okay, so in the moment, that
felt like the right thing to do. So there you
are on the show like that everything is so heightened,
all your feelings behind everything is just like extra. Um
when you got home, did you regret that decision? Oh?

(45:58):
I don't know. Oh, I mean I didn't regret it.
I knew in that moment when I had that conversation
with him that he wasn't going to be my person.
I knew that I wasn't going to be his person.
So and I didn't want to waste anyone's time. Like
I came here to be serious and I wanted to
figure out if this was right for me, and if
it wasn't, then I don't want to yeah, stay around
and just like have a free vacation, like that's not

(46:20):
what I was there for. So I didn't regret it.
I felt good about the decision I made. I mean,
it was like obviously very sad and not like how
you want to leave, but I ultimately feel good about
my choice about leaving because when I got back, I
was like, well, hopefully, like whatever happened, he I played
a part in the end of this journey, it seems

(46:41):
like you did. Um, did you get along with all
the girls? Did you guys just have so much fun?
I had some really strong friendship that I felt. I
think that you can start seeing that and these like
episodes coming up. Um, I was like really good friends
with like Tatia and Kirpa and Nicole, We like really
got along. Well, Yeah, I love them very much because

(47:02):
you're always around them, so it's like easy to make
strong friendships. I'm curious to know you had mentioned to him.
Don't be distracted by shiny things. Can you elaborate a
little bit more on what those shiny things are or like?
And have those feelings changed or evolved for you about
these people? And I just would love to know more

(47:23):
about where that came from. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
he was going for like the girls and like that
kind of thing, which is a great like he like
has strong feelings for a lot of them. But I
feel like he could easily get distracted by like the
idea of people instead of like actually asking them the
harder questions. So why I just had a sense about um,

(47:45):
so I wanted him just to like, yes, everyone they're
is beautiful and everyone has like great things, but I
want you to like ask them like are they ready
to be married? Essentially at the end of this, because
that's what he every time he gave us a speech
at a costail party or whatever, he'd be like, I'm
looking for my wife. I feel like my wife is
in this room. I'm like, Okay, if you're looking for
your wife, like make sure that that's what you're looking for.

(48:06):
You just like going after like who's like shining being
like a shiny thing, I guess is the best play. Yeah,
I think I think you said it in a way
that really impacted him. It seems to me like what
you said really was like I need to think about this,
which I thought was Yeah. I just wanted him to
like think a little bit more about the things that
he was, yeah, pursuing. Essentially, it's like food for thoughts.

(48:28):
It's you know, as we watch this season, there's been
this dynamic that a lot of people are talking about.
Is everybody you know when you left the show? Uh,
there is this I want to say, support of Colton,
which you don't see a lot in the Bachelor franchise,
especially when it comes to The Bachelor. You see it
with the Bachelor at you know, people get off the

(48:48):
show and they say great things. But with the Bachelor,
most of the contestants leave and they're like, yeah, I
don't like my Bachelor except the one that gets chosen.
It feels like this season you all are in support
of Colton. Is that is that true? Will the clause
come out after the final rows, which they usually do,
or do you think everybody kind of had this just

(49:09):
like affection for Colton to see what whatever's best for
him happen. I mean, I think I see what you mean.
I think actually that is true. Um, he's just like
all in all to his core, he's a very kind,
nice man and like a very good person, And how
could you not root for someone like that? Also, he's

(49:30):
I found him just refreshing as a person, Like you
don't meet many guys nowadays that are visions that like
his agent, like twenty six, So it's just like a
different thing that we're experiencing in culture. So he was
just kind of like a breath of fresh air. So
I think ultimately we're all just like kind of rooting
for him. Oh yeah, we're rooting form also, were wishing

(49:51):
the best. Uh, Sydney, what you did is admirable. Uh,
We've appreciated watching you. Um on this show, we hoped
see you again. We We end every segment talking to
some it's been eliminated or has left in their own
from this season with this question would you and will
you be doing Paradise? Um? Would I do Paradise? I?

(50:14):
I think it was offered to me. I would. Um. Ultimately,
I feel like it would probably be the better situation
for me because I just need time to like settle
in and get no people. And it sounds like Paradise
is a lot of that and being on the beach
with cocktails. So oh yeah, probably. You know, you take
that opportunity. If it's offered to you, you take run.

(50:37):
We hope to see you. Thank you so much. We
hope to watch you. Thanks, thank you so much. Take
care of home. I like her, Yeah, I do think,
I know, I know, she's just she would be fun
to see on Paradise. Yeah, the show can can can
be difficult for people her who are normal. I would

(51:00):
say everybody on this season is beautiful. The women have
gone home have been beautiful. The woman they're still there
are beautiful. There's one thing that's always shocked me and
Michelle you as I sit here and look at you, uh,
you have the same thing. They all really nice hair.
They all have great hair. It must take a lot
to have this kind of hair. And then here's another

(51:23):
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first order. Hey Michelle, moving on here for a second.
There's a one on one day that kind of gets
I feel like covered up in this episode. Isn't the
most talked about thing because even the we've got more
emails on this podcast from who got eliminated at the

(53:33):
Row ceremony than on this one on one day, and
one on one days typically just completely take over this podcast.
It was a one on one day with Kerpa. I
would love for you to break this down, uh if
you don't mine well again, I think Herpa is one
of those women who in the right setting, under the

(53:55):
right circumstances, can open up and really give you a
lot of depth, um you know, And I found that
to be the case with her. She just had um yeah,
like she just had a lot of really interesting things
to say on her date, once she finally felt comfortable,
like and it just almost it's like it took a

(54:15):
while for her to finally like kind of open up.
What did you feel? Yeah, you know, I think it's
that there was there was this. It was uncomfortable at times.
I honestly, for a lot of the date, I didn't
think she was gonna get throws. I didn't either, but
then she wasn't there. But then she kind of like

(54:36):
opened up a little bit. And I think that it's
just being vulnerable. We have to be more vulnerable with
each other. I think that's what brings us together and
helps us connect. And when we're guarded and we have
these walls up, it's just so hard to connect and
break through. And I think that once she finally did that,
I think I think you can tell Colton loves just

(54:57):
authenticity and connection and it's almost like he finally got
that from her and was like, Okay, cool, Now let's
let's see if maybe there's more, you know. And I
think that's why I gave her the rose. Yeah, it
was surprising to me that she got through a rose.
There's also a surprising piece in this episode, and it's
how the episode ends. But before we do that, we've
got to catch up, uh with our co host Michelle

(55:22):
Ashley I Kennedtie. Welcome to All the Same podcast. Hi, then,
I'm sorry that I've skipped two out of the past
three weeks. I feel like a failure. Oh my gosh,
Hi ash it's Michelle. Hello, how are you. I'm so
sad I'm not sitting here with you. Oh I know

(55:42):
where are you? Can you even tell us? Is it
a secret? What's going on? It's a little bit of
a secret, but everybody will know what it's about and
about twelve hours and a little bit more than that.
But Dared and I are in New York City and
we're gonna be a getting married. Oh my god, We're
gonna have Hoarding America wedding. They've probably done that before,

(56:05):
could you imagine? Guys, alert, that's not what it is.
But good will be like to Morning America around eight
o'clock tomorrow morning and we will make our announcements. Then,
Oh my gosh, this is so exciting. Do you know
what it is? Then? Do you know? You know both
of us? Do you guys know? Oh my gosh, I
hate that I don't know when you guys know, it's
very exciting. It's gonna be a big deal. Ashley and

(56:27):
Jared are on top of the world right now. She's
a big deal, Ashley, He's the biggest deal, and we're
just gonna be here to support her along the way. Ashley,
I know that it's aching you that you haven't been
in studio with us here recently. I hate the podcast

(56:47):
because you missed me or what what's what's what's the reason?
I just feel, yes, then I missed you that first
and foremost, and secondly because I just feel like I
need to do my job. You know, yeah, who needs
to do a job. I'll be here. Yes, last week
you just weren't together. The last week we weren't together.
I counted last week, but week before I was in Kangoon.

(57:10):
That's okay, that's fine, No worry about its episode. Actually
I missed you, but I'm happy for next next week
you're going to be gone. Right then I'll be in
Honduras with Generous taking a bunch of people, uh down
through the coffee farms of Central America. So yes, I
will be gone next week, and so you'll make up

(57:31):
for everything there. I do want to tell all all
of our listeners out there, the announcement that Jared and
Naturally are making is a big deal. It's really cool.
I'm really proud of the both of them. I look
up to both of them in a lot of ways.
And so make sure you check out Good Morning America.
But if you can't watch Good Morning America tomorrow, I
guarantee you it will be all over social. So tomorrow

(57:52):
at about I don't know, ten a m. Eastern, just
go to social channels see what's going on. This is
a really really cool deal. H Speaking of cool deals,
we're here to talk about the Bachelor. Michelle has done
a great job today. Ashley. We've had a couple of
great guests who have broke down the episode with us
and to kind of summarize, because I know you're coming
in at the end here, what is your thoughts on

(58:16):
this episode in general, not breaking down each moment, but Ashley,
we're seeing a trend women are leaving on their own,
which you know, Michelle and I are both saying, is
is a great move on the woman's part. If they're
not feeling it, they're they're taking control and they're taking
ownership in and they're saying this isn't for me, But
we also I saw a very heated one on one

(58:38):
with Hannah G that we explained as erotic. Um Ashley
that you take it from there because I know you'll
do a great job and explain the rest. I do
think the Hannah G date was super physical, and I like,
I think their relationship is based pretty much on physical chemistry.

(58:59):
But when I said this last week, Rachel said that
she and Brian's relationship appeared on screen to just be
physical as well, but they cut of all the all
the substance to it. So Rachel was like, that's the
way they portrayed our relationship, but that isn't really the
best part of our relationship. Even though that part is great,

(59:20):
it's not what kept us together. So perhaps with Hannah Gy,
because she is like so sexy, they're just kind of
focusing on that, even though there's a lot of other
things they could have been focusing on. But I don't
think like there's a whole bunch of like electricity when
they talk, Like when they had their sit down part
of the date, what do you think. I don't know,

(59:44):
ash we were just discussing it. You're not wrong. Um.
We we were glad and happy to get to hear
a little bit more of Hannah's story because the one
part that really frustrated me with this episode, and I
think it's gonna get overlooked. Honestly, I don't know if
the listeners are gonna um react as as much as
maybe we did is the Cassie Kalin, which I think

(01:00:05):
actually was mostly Kalin, but they were kind of saying
Hannah g has just always lived off of her looks
because her depth isn't there. I don't love when people
say that. That's not a great thing to say about anybody.
And I thought on this day we actually got to
see a little bit more of what you know, kind
of depth Handa G has, and I think it's quite
a bit. Do you think that really talking about her

(01:00:25):
parents divorce gives her depth? Well, this is what I think,
and I took to your comment. I think under those circumstances,
for her it did feel like maybe to like you
and I, that doesn't seem like a lot of depth,
But I think for her she seemed to. It seemed
to be a really emotional like experience that she did
doesn't talk about a lot like you know, she just

(01:00:48):
it did seem like this real kind of traumatic experience
for her that she opened up and shared that seemed
authentic to me. I felt it, you know, whether it
was super you know, I think there's certain people who
can talk about the stuff all day, all night, but
I think for her, you could tell it was something
that was hard to talk about, and by doing so,
I think that it helped them connect on a deeper level.

(01:01:10):
And I think she does have um that sexual energy
about her. But I think that, like you were saying, actually,
I think a lot of stuff gets cut out, and
Colton doesn't strike me as the type of person who's
like just wants to sit and make out and not
have a conversation. I mean, we know Colton better than Hannah,
and I don't think the Coltons just sitting there going like, yeah,
let's head to the shower now, now let's go have

(01:01:31):
a mud bath now, you know, Like, I'm sure there
was really great conversation that happens to that we didn't
see that. He doesn't strike me as that type of guy. Um,
so I do think it's yeah, right, So that was
probably the most sexual things we've ever seen from the show.

(01:01:52):
I think so too, Man, I was turned on. I
think you're right. I think you're right. And now that
you bring it up way she did describe her dad
and mowing the lawn and all that very visually was
more of like the storytelling that I think he probably
doesn't usually do. Yeah, I guess what we were trying

(01:02:13):
I guess, And what I was trying to say is,
I think it's easy to assume that, you know, under
those circumstances, you've got all these girls together, that you're
kind of feeling jealousy and competitive, it's hard to open
up sometimes, and so we just assume that there are
these like pretty little, you know, like shiny things, when
the truth is that there's probably a lot more depth

(01:02:36):
um that they have to them that Ay, we're not
seeing because maybe it's been edited out and and b
we're not giving enough credit to when they finally do
feel like they can be vulnerable enough to have the conversation.
And there's a lot going on in this episode was
a lot. I mean, we got to the hand of
Gee one on one. Obviously, we we sat through a

(01:02:57):
one on one Kurpa that I just I don't know,
I just don't see the chemistry. I don't chemistry. List
their body language was so off. Yeah, I didn't think
she was going to make it around very much longer.
Um And actually I want to close with all of
us kind of talking about the Demi situation. So Colton
gets back to his room. We have Demi, who has

(01:03:19):
grown on me tremendously throughout the season. The first couple episodes,
I was like, what are we getting into here? But
as the season has continued, Demmi is just this this
person I've been rooting for and like in the most
genuine of ways. And I'm really sad to see her
go home, even though I think her wanting to go
see Colton to take his virginity as a terrible, terrible idea.

(01:03:43):
I don't think that was what. That sounded so edited
to me. That was that didn't not I don't think
that was her intention. But I might agree with you, Michelle,
I think that'finitingly to would have said earlier in the sea. Yeah,
I don't think that was what. I don't know who
knows what Demi though. That's the thing about Demi is
you're like, yeah, bro, whatever, Yeah, I think they're not.

(01:04:05):
She she walks into the Colton situation, and I'll be honest,
I was really sad to see Demi go home. I
want to hear the two of you talk about this
because Demi has became one of my favorite characters. Uh.
And actually you've been supportive and a fan of Demi
since the beginning. I haven't, but I know that you have.
I don't know. No, then, I haven't been like super like.

(01:04:26):
I haven't. I've been pretty neutral about her. Some people
love her before. I just got on my sporting today
this girl was like, oh my god, I love Demi
and I'm like, really like I liked her. I don't.
I don't dislike hers, but I don't feel like this
past that so many people are showing on social media.
I think people are liking that she keeps it real. Um.

(01:04:47):
I think that this week was probably her time to go.
I think she would have gone home this week whether
or not she said I love you. But I do
love the way that he sent her home privately instead of,
you know, at the road ceremony. After she said that,
it was like it kind of was heart wrenching to
watch because you could tell that she went there with

(01:05:09):
this like this grand idea of something that was going
to go a totally different way, and it was almost
it was kind of abrupt how he um kind of
just didn't really beat around the bush and it was
just like, oh, if you feel this way, then like
it's time to go. And he's I mean he was.
He said it in a sweet way, but um, to

(01:05:30):
see her face, I mean, I think it was just
I do not think she was expecting that, And it
was sad to see her kind of like put herself
out there and kind of get kind of gets shot down.
You know, I do like DEMI I do like her.
Then how do you feel about people saying that Colton
is really following in your footsteps and he's the best

(01:05:51):
battler since you and he handled himself was as much great?
Is it because you were his mentor? I would love
to take credit, you know, I mean, I'm getting old here.
It's time for me to start taking credit for things
I shouldn't be taking credit for. But no, I cannot
take credit for Colton's you know, he's He's done things
a lot differently than I have did. Um. But I

(01:06:13):
think the one thing you see in common is I
think Colton really cared and hated asking women to leave.
I think sometimes you get bachelor's and bachelorrettes who and
for whatever reason, it doesn't affect them when they have
to say goodbye to somebody. I think we see it
in Colton's eyes, like it hurts him. He doesn't like it.
It's not fun for him. It's it's tearing him up inside.

(01:06:36):
And for me, it mean, it made me physically sick,
like I lost weight because I was so stressed about this,
and I honestly I think that helped me, uh take
it more serious? What did you say? I had a
paras but every time, um, so, you know, I'm happy
for Colton. I think that we're going to see how

(01:06:59):
this thing plays. I I do think he'll go down
as one of the most genuine Bachelor's in history. We
were just talking about the beginning of the podcast. Actually
is kind of how ironic it is that his season
started with a very popular hashtag not my Bachelor, and
it seems to have switched right. It's so interesting. Yeah, yeah, totally.
I want to let aybody know to look for Jared

(01:07:22):
Nashley on Good Morning America Tuesday, which is February twelve,
two nineteen, for a very special announcement one that as
a friend, I'm very proud of them for um so
check them out, listen in, and we'll talk about it
on the podcast next week. Ashley, thanks for joining us.
Thank you, And Michelle, thanks for sitting in my seat
because there are a few people that I love feeling

(01:07:46):
my there, like you, because I feel like you're like
the original host. Look around the Bachelor. You're so cute.
I'm just keeping your seat nice and warm. I miss you,
I miss you. Love how do you bye? As we
saw him this week's episode there in Vietnam, and I
love this, Michelle. I love this about the episode that

(01:08:06):
while they're in Vietnam they bring in some of the
Bachelor crew from Vietnam. One thing before h we actually
talked to some of the crew from Vietnam. I want
to mention, is you know and this year's Winter Games.
The whole concept of Winter Games was to bring people
from all of the world into one place, highlighting that
The Bachelor is not just a US thing, it's an

(01:08:28):
international event. Like the Bachelor has spread across the globe.
It's taking over the world in a sense. And today
we have some very special guests from Bachelor Vietnam out
there to talk to us on almost from this podcast. Heybody,
how's it going? How this is so exciting to have
you guys here. It's like all these worlds colliding. Really

(01:08:50):
really happy to be here. If you guys don't mind
real quickly to get us started, do you mind introducing
yourselves and what your role is on the show. I'm
one of the story producers. I actually got this gig
by being such a fan of the American show. So
I got this gig from knowing the format so well,
so I was kind of like a default back for Bible.

(01:09:13):
And actually I started watching the show with Ben season
so I could thank you Ben for getting me this gig.
That's amazing. That actually makes it really happy. So how
many seasons have you guys filmed? This is our first season? Wow,
this is so exciting. So you guys have your own
Chris Harrison, right, yeah, that's our hows quite done? Does

(01:09:36):
he say things like this is your final rose? Yeah,
he definitely like that. Yeah he's got he's got those
things as well, right, yeah, and this I'm done executive
producer and Chilrennie Yeah, all right? How you knowing everybody?
You know? Ben I was a big like Onto. I
became a really really big fan of the show during

(01:09:59):
your season because I was running a company called Marley
Coffee out of Denver, and all my employees were such
huge fans of yours, um that I guess pushed me
to move back to Vietnam and wanted to produce our
version of The Bachelor as well Marley Coffee with one

(01:10:21):
of the Marley brothers. I have the T shirt downstairs.
You're one of the very first people to tell me
to start like. Your company was right next to Generous
coffee booth at our very first ever. I remember my
employees had taken pictures with you. They came back to
the office as giddy as humanly possible. This is incredible, Ben,

(01:10:42):
I kind of think so responsible for the responsible for
The Bachelor of Vietnam as anybody else. I think we
should put your name in the credit somewhere. Ben, I
don't know. I'm glad this. I'm glad this podcast started
out this way. Today. I was was coming and I
was excited Michelle as a guest co host, I was
excited to talk to you all, and honestly, my joy

(01:11:04):
level has just increased and I feel very very important
right now, and I appreciate That's a good feeling to
feel feel appreciated. Um, you know, we've gotten to watch
a little bit about Vietnam. Vietnam is an absolute beautiful place. Um.
Can you run Michelle and I and the rest of
the listeners through any differences maybe that the Bachelor Vietnam

(01:11:27):
has compared to Bachelor USA. Yeah, I'll take this question
real quickly. The format is the same. You know, we
we all get the format from Mike Life, and you
know it starts off with in our situation, twenty four
eligible ladies and one bachelor, and the season, our season
goes through fourteen episodes, the first episode being that of

(01:11:49):
the Limousine team where everybody's introduced in the final episode
is the Final Rows, then the after the Rows and
the women tell on, and the after the Roads. So
it struck retually very very similar. I would say the
biggest difference probably is in the level of uh salaciousness,
if you will, between the two countries. Um, Whereas you know,

(01:12:13):
Vietnam is still quite a conservative country just because of
the culture out there. We didn't see kissing on air,
even though it happened before then until the final episode
when he uh more or less proposes to the winner. Yes,
a whole different show. Yeah, I think the whole season.

(01:12:33):
Maybe he kissed three girls, which is an average one
single cocktail party in the American bachant, And I think
other things that are different about the show and not
in the structure, but kind of like what happened in
our first season is that this show was really not
just about women trying to lie for a guy. It's
really the batteck showing that he's worthy of the women's

(01:12:55):
attention and time uniquely on uniquely on our first episode,
in the first blow ceremony, actually three women declined his rows.
One woman he was able to convince to come back
that he had a major connection with. But yeah, these
women are like very strong, They're like very serious about
their time and being here for love and whether it's

(01:13:16):
the right fit for them. So it gave an unique flavor. Yeah,
he had to really work very hard every single episode.
And just to tell you, as the producer of the show,
we were freaking out every single night that the women
would leave him, not that he would be able to
charm the women. But he was, and he was great.
Our Bachelor was great. He charmed the heck out of

(01:13:37):
the women. A lot of them fell in love with him.
But it definitely the power dynamics, like on two was indicating, UH,
is definitely that the power exists within the women and
that he had to be you know, extra extra charming
in each episode. Is that more of a like a
production or is that a cultural thing that you know

(01:13:58):
the women feel like, Yeah, he has to impress me
also because for years I felt like the bachelor bachelor
was sought after and that nobody was really ever leaving
on their own accord. Yeah, definitely that I think you
hit it right in the head. It's a cultural thing
in Vietnam where women actually hold a lot more power.
Um in this country, they're they're seen as the backbone

(01:14:20):
of society and that they have are on equal footing.
And so for a show like this, when we first
try to get it off the you know, on the air,
we got a lot of pushback from the UH from
both the sensors as well as the TV station about
is this a misogynistic type show because that's not really
the culture of Vietnam. But we explained to them is that,

(01:14:40):
you know, it's ostensibly you know, a fight for love
and you know, if you convey it well enough, then
it's showed in a way where you know, all parties
are truly seeking out you know, love on a show
and uh And in the end for our show, it
balanced out in the way that he had to try
out just as hard as the girls did. And some

(01:15:03):
of our contestants even mentioned that too. On our Women
Tell All, they answered, what do you think of critiques
that are you devaluing yourself by trying to compete for
a man? And one of our contestants and said, very eloquently,
is like, I think a value woman is. A woman's
value is in knowing what she wants and then being
able to go after this. If you know your to

(01:15:24):
value as women, no one can ever tell you your
value or devalue you. So that's why the women on
our show phone very empowered or felt right on their
own journey to be there. That's so beautiful. Is there
a way for us to watch your season? There are
clips on so on our YouTube channel and on our
Facebook page. Um, whole episodes are not available, but we

(01:15:48):
have best of moments. I'm going to check those out. Yeah.
I think this is so interesting and it really is
is terrific to kind of connect everybody from all the world.
That's what I loved about Winner Games, and I thought
the concept win a Games was terrific and that's why
I did it. Uh. You know, your team in Vietnam
has now produced a Bachelor. It's aired. How did it
go over? How is the reaction? Is it as big

(01:16:09):
in Vietnam as it is in the US? Oh? Great question.
I mean I think the season one, uh, it went
over really well because of the curiosity factor, especially with
people who were watching the clips online. UM, on TV.
It was a highly rated show. UM, probably not like
number one show like it is in America, but uh,

(01:16:32):
you know, we had some great, great moments that just
made the whole country talk about the show. UM. And
I think, you know, one of the big moments, obviously,
is that we had the moment where two women uh
declared their love for each other during the rose ceremony,
and that was hugely talked about, you know in Vietnam,

(01:16:53):
but even more so on a global scale. And then
at the end there was a scandal with the winner
not disclosing the fact that uh she was a single
mom um, which you know, really upset a lot of
the girls on the show, as well as a lot
of the fans. So, you know, despite the ups and down,
I thought that the season went exceptionally well, and and

(01:17:14):
and and people really, you know, resonated with the fact that,
you know, a lot of these things are just absolutely
real moments, uh, in these people's lives. So is there
going to be a Bachelor? You know? I think we're
going to do two more seasons of The Bachelor so
that the stands out here will really understand the format
of the show before we move on to the Bachelorette.

(01:17:37):
How crazy is this? Michelle, The Bachelor's internationally known. I'm
telling you all the Vietnam had a Bachelor to watch
this year. Can you imagine these polarizing storylines? I mean
I read about the two women leaving that they found
love for each other on the show here in the US,
it was a global headline and and all in your

(01:17:57):
first season of filming a show. This is a wild part.
And for everybody out there listening, this is the weirdest
wild part about The Bachelor. Remain right. I participated in
Michelle participated in it. We have two producers that that
work this show on the line as well. Somehow everybody
always asked me, how scripted is it? How how format
it is? I'm like, it's a format, right, there is
a format. It's an environment. But every year, time, over time,

(01:18:22):
something new happens. Some you get a new personality, you
get a new person in there, you get a new
Bachelor Bachelor, and you get storylines that you've never seen before.
Bachelor Vietnam. You did not fall short of putting together
a great show. And you also, I want to tell
you this, you did a great job at hosting Colton
show or episode this year. Thank you so much for

(01:18:44):
coming on Almost Famous podcast. Thank you so much. Thanks
for man what was that? I mean? Thank you? Thank
you you. People want to find out more about show,
feel feed to check us out, look up the Back
to Vietnam on a YouTube or Facebook or Instagram. Perfect.

(01:19:06):
Thank you? It's uh, isn't it wild? Michelle? How is
it all? Because of for this? I would like to
take a beat and just recap that, like, how does
that feel for you? It's it's actually kind of one
of them, maybe weirdest things that's ever happened on this podcast,
to be responsible for people finding love in Vietnam and

(01:19:29):
I never even have noted. I would have never known
it until this interview. Kind of crazy. I mean, it's
it's honestly, it's hilarious. But in all seriousness, it's once
again a reason why when people ask me, are you
glad you did the show or uh, you know, do
you regret doing this show? And it's like, no, because
my life is is awesome. I get to do a

(01:19:50):
lot of cool things now and yeah, you know, the
love parton didn't work out for me, but so many
other things did. And then I get to hear stories
like this, and I'm like, people in Vietnam, maybe no,
a little bit of who I am, Like, that's kind
of cool, really cool. Then it's really cool. I think
that was cool. That's exciting. I'm gonna have to watch
that clip. I didn't I didn't know that that was

(01:20:12):
this viral clip. So so two girls fell in love
with each other on the show. Yeah, it was a
global headline. Can you imagine in the first season of
Bachelor Vietnam something like this happens and and obviously it became, uh,
like I said, became global. People were talking about it
was on all the national news networks. Um. But once again,
it's it's one of those stories that the Bachelor, you know,

(01:20:34):
creates and finds love no matter what. I don't know,
uh if the two women are together still or not.
But how cool is it that, at least for a
short time they found love interest from the Bachelor. How crazy?
Another great interview. Thanks Bachelor Vietnam for coming on. We

(01:20:54):
can't forget that. Where was a row ceremony? This week
Katie was asked to go home. We see a lot
of Katie this have a little big bummer, um, but
she is no longer there. You know what we've gotten
to uh money is from here on out, every woman
on the show is somebody that we pretty much know
fairly intimately. Like we get there, they've been on a

(01:21:16):
one on one, we've got another past. Uh, they have
a relationship with Colton. So this is kind of the
part of the show that gets real. So from here
on that, let's call it the season of the show
that gets real. Real. Michelle, you are always real, You've
never not been real. You're You've been awesome today. But
before we send you out of here, because I want

(01:21:38):
to draw this out, I want you to sit in
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(01:22:18):
Thanks for coming on. We appreciate you. Thanks for filling
in for Ashley. You're the best. And uh, let's just
keep keep going and if you ever want to stop
by again, I know our listeners would love to have you.
This has been so fun. What a fun job you
guys have. This is this is the life man, that's
the life behind Then hey, uh Michelle, Uh important update.

(01:22:44):
It just came across my computer. I know that we've
got to get you out of here. And I know
this podcast has been along with because it's a good one.
But we have a big news break in Bachelor Nation.
This week, and our our correspondent Mark is into with
us right now with a special shill outbreak. Well, people
are very concerned about the situation with Cassie and whether

(01:23:05):
or not she's on the Bachelor. She's on a different
show at the same time, and people are freaking out
about it. And I'm here to set the record straight, Ben,
I want to hear it. Well, she's on a show
called Young Once. There's another dating show that follows a
diverse group of recent graduates from Christian College. We are
now navigating dating, marriage debts, and career decisions. Blah blah blah. Well,
she did that and then she went back and did

(01:23:28):
some reshoots. But she and the guy that she's dating
on the show have come out and said, look, there's
nothing going on here. We wish each other the best,
but we are not together anymore. So don't worry. That's
not her forever person. She's not cheating on him going
on the Bachelor. That was done a while ago. She
had a clean slate going onto the Bachelor. Mark, I
know you've talked to a couple of people on the

(01:23:48):
inside here. Do you think or does anybody think this
is going to affect Colton and Cassie's relationship on the show.
They do not think that's going to affect them whatsoever,
because this was a clean situation. Cassie has no interest
in this guy. This guy has no interest in Cassie,
although I think there might be a little bitterness on
his part, it's not going to affect Colton. Colton understands

(01:24:10):
the situation moving forward. Mark thinks so much great work,
my pleasure. It's so glad to clear that up. I
know it's been a big deal this week. Hey, everybody
out there listening, make sure you email us at Ben
and Ashley I heard made dot com. Thank you to
everybody that came on the podcast today. It was a
packed one with that I've Been Been, I've Been Michelle
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