This week on 4 from the South, Steve and Fab go through the trouble with Pablo Escobar's imported hippos in Colombia, a tourism ban on the remote Chilean island of Rapa Nui, Jair Bolsonaro's complicated relationship with Facebook and the favorable coverage of a nazi by an important Chilean newspaper.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Okay, we're back once again with four from the South.
I'm Steve Healey. I'm here with my good friend Fabrizio Capano.
How are you doing, Fab? I'm really happy to be
back in this show that is getting better and better
in every episode. The show is getting better and better,
and the listeners are responding. Every now and then someone
responds to us on Twitter. Now, so now I know
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that we're actually getting out there and we're reaching the people.
But let's not screw around with that kind of stuff.
On this show. We bring you four stories every week
from what we call Big Latin America, which goes all
the way from Los Angeles where I am, down to
Chile where Fabricio is, including uh, New York where for
B two is. Right now, we've even gone as far
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north as Canada. Latin America out here is a flexible,
mutable constant. It's a construct. We're inventing it as we go,
but this one is definitely a Latin American story. Fab
The headline is gripping. It said that, um, Pablo escobars.
I'm reading the headline from Complex magazine, but it was
reported in several places. Pablo Escobar's quote cocaine hippos legally
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recognized as people by US court, So maybe do you
can you bring us some background recognizes them cocaine. A
lot of questions here, Okay, do you want to give
us some background on the cocaine hippos in case people
don't know about them. Yeah. So Pablo Escobar was the
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number one, uh billionaire at the time, I mean he was.
They still don't know how much money he had because
if he was a big the biggest coke kingping of
all the world. And he decided to have a big
house with everything he wanted from from all over the world.
So he started to bring animals, exotic animals to his
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backyard and have a zoo like remember that movie We
Bought a Zoo. Yes, that's exactly like that, Like everybody else,
I don't actually remember the movie, but I remember the
idea that there was this movie, the concept and the
the the yeah gate. So there there was hippos in Colombia,
of course, uh in in in Without this inter interference
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from this coke dealer, there was no other way the
hippos will get there. So they destroy the environment, creating
like a weird um I mean new world where the
hippos are having kids and babies, and there's more and
more and more. So at the beginning they were like,
I don't know thirty and now it's like five thousand
hippos in that area of Colombia, so it's being a
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big problem and they're escaping. There's people are scared of them,
and of course they're also like this new story. They've
been protected because people love them. At the same time. Yeah,
I mean, how can you not love a hippo at
least as long as it's not near you. It looks
really funny in a photo. It's funny the idea that
the drug dealer bought a bunch of hippos and now
they're just running around and nobody's taking care of them.
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But it actually is kind of an issue what are
we gonna do with these hippos? And Colombia was like, okay,
no problem, will just shoot the hippos, and then an
animal defense fund basically sued in Colombia to be like, hey,
you can't just shoot these hippos. These hippos have some rights,
and in Colombia, non human animals have the right to
bring lawsuits. You can bring a lawsuit on behalf of
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a non human animal. And then but and then they
brought it to the United States UM and the U. S.
District Court for the Southern District of Ohio recognized the
hippos as legal persons. Now, I'm reading the articles, and
I'm not a legal expert, but and I think that
the people writing these articles and Complex and these Light
and BuzzFeed and various other clickbait places, I don't think
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they're legal experts either. It's not like the info from Complex,
I don't get my no. So you're we're playing telephone
here with some legal information. But basically at the bottom
here is just a US court said that, Okay, yeah,
because these hippos do have some kind of rights, we
can compel some animal experts to testify. And basically, the
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the lawyers on behalf of the hippos are trying to
get these animal experts to be like, hey, can't we
just sterilize the hippos? Won't that be as good as
killing them? And the court, the court in the US
is like, the hippos have the right to ask for
some testimony testifying that it's better for them to be
sterilized than shot. So it's not like it's that uh,
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you know, life changing for the hippos. I mean, I
guess it's life saving, but they're still gonna get sterilized.
It's not. These hippos don't have all the rights of
you and I, but it does seem like it's And
it also seems like the animal rights people are working
on slowly establishing some precedence so animals will have rights
in the U. S. Court, and they're doing it in
small ways. And they picked the hippo cocaine case because
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of course it's going to end up in the headlines
and it's a good one for them. So I think,
as a fan of hippos and people in the legal system,
I think this is good. I mean, I like that
hippos have some rights. I like that they didn't go
too far. I think it would be bad if like
a hippo could sue you or something. But um, it
seems like, dude, this is good, right, I think that
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sounds good. I mean it started very bad with the
drug dealer bringing them illegally from Africa and now establishing
a new set of rules and laws to protect them. Uh.
And well, the thing is like there's a there's a
whole episode this. I listened to it the other day,
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and you know, like sterilizing hippo sounds like something not
easy but doable. It's really hard. It's really complicated, tell
me more so. First of all, these animals are not
like just walking around and you can you know, and
they're not like pokemons that you can catch. They just
underwater most of the time. And when they're out of
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water they're huge there. I mean, they're they're massive animals.
They're really really heavy. So the amount of drugs to
put them to sleep, it's and it's not like any
it's not like crack cocaine. You have to like get
this specific amount of trunquilizer and uh then it's like
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what do I have to pay for it? You have
to bring an expert, it's not like everyone. And then
their skin is very thick, so get the get the
get the needle in the right spot. It's really really complicated.
And and then the problem is like when they're groggy,
like they when they're like when they should they have
this moment when they try to scape back the water,
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but you have you can't low that because they're gonna die.
They're gonna they're gonna drawn if they go on the
water stop that. It's a very complicated thing to do.
I think you have to yeah, of course making a
laid down and open them. It's like I mean in
this episode of Real you can listen to it, they
take like five hours to do this surgery for one.
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Oh my god, there's at least one of these hippos
that are we're working on and and so this is
a lot of money. There's a little work. This is
not an easy thing to do. But you know what,
we have the best people in it, So I don't know.
I think it's that it's this is good news, but
also like it's a lot of work for uh, these
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animal protectors, and I know that they're coming from the
right direction, you know, they want to protect these animals. Um.
But yeah, once again, it's not it's not an easy task, guys.
It's pretty amazing. A small boy. Pablo Escobar is born
in Colombia and nine fifty or whatever year he was born,
and some uh seven years there there's a bunch of
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hippos running around and people have to try and sterilize
them and there's court cases about he just like Roy,
that ecosystem you know, this isn't the other animals. It's
like what what what is? What is this with the
other fish that live in that river and we're just
chilling and now there's a six pound hippo rolling around.
It's sometimes you hear about people like, you know, change
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the world. Every once in a while. You change the
world as like a good motto something people should aspire to,
you know, Martin Luther King change the world, Mother Theresa,
change a lot of people to change the world. Do
something by bringing hippos to the wrong place. And he's
changed the world, no question. There's hippos that never used
to be in Colombia. Now there's people having to spend
hours sterilizing them. That's a change, a significant ecological He
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changed the environment of a continent. It's insane. I mean,
I can't imagine God watching this and be like, well wait,
what what what? What's? What are the hippos was to
be one of my mistakes animals I made. I made
a mistake when I made hippos. What do you guys
even messing with? What do you guys think any more
and more in different parts of the world, Does it
make any sense? So yeah, it's a great story. I love.
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I love this story because it started with an article
and now it's like des throwing a whole ecosystem. I
haven't seen the show, the Netflix show Narcos. Do they
address the hippos and the show probably not. It's probably
too high badly, sadly they don't have the budget Latin
American Netflix and have the budget for that. It seems
a little unfair to me by the way that they're
always referred to as the cocaine hippos. They hippos so
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far as I know, never touched cocaine. They're all natural,
they're organic. They're getting blamed for their bosses. It was
when it starts free them like as humans, let's stop
call them the cocaine he boasts. That would be people
called my cat, the podcast cat. It's like, no, you
have nothing to do, and don't don't drag into this
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more offensive cocaine apos. So I've got another story for you.
This is from Chile. We'll take this wherever we can.
(10:16):
All I saw I just thought it was kind of interesting.
On Easter Island. Um Rapa Nui is an island some
thousands of miles off the coast of Chile, but it
will include it in Latin America because its owned, owned,
or at least governed by Chile, and tourism is the
big business there. It's been a couple of years since
they've allowed tourists there, and they recently had a vote
like are we ready to let tourists back in COVID.
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We've got it a little bit under control, seems like
numbers are going down. And they took a vote on
Easter Island and they voted resoundingly no. The vote was
like six no to allow tourists on Easter Island. So,
as a Chilean thoughts on this, what's going on? How
do we feel? So listen, First of all, the relationship
between Eastern is in Chile always been kind of weird
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because I don't think they feel that Chileans, you know, honestly,
they're they're not. Yeah, it makes sense. But at the
same time, for Chili's versus like or main international icon
you know, like you see the moise like this big
rocks with faces in movies on TV, on museums, and
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they're everywhere. No one connect them with Chili, But technically
those are like chillen uh signature icons, you know, in
a way, so it's it's yeah, the relevance of Australia,
of course is you know, but all of the planet.
But and at the same time, the only way the
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island can survive is like getting groceries and food and
everything from the mainland. So it's like kind of Chilean
government and the Chilean entities are the ones sending them stuff.
But of course it's a tiny island with a lot
of like a very specific culture, like Rappanoic culture is
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very cool, so a lot of people go there to
ruin it. A lot of people go there trying to
be cool, trying to take the right pictures and like
trying to then decided like maybe I should move here.
Not always happens, doesn't it. It's not always part of
going on vacations. Maybe I should just move here. Yeah,
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And then you have a group of undesirable humans that
they like, yeah, we're we're moving here. So then a
tiny island not all our resources more chilence. Uh, you
don't get the culture to try to like kind of
appropriate the culture and kind of like getting a little
bit tense. And I think with COVID it was like great,
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now we have an excuse to not bring more people
to start, like you know, kind of managing like the
immigration process to the island. And at the same time, yeah,
we we we can, we can take a break from
all these tourism that is being happening. And uh, I don't.
I don't think they can they can last for long
because once again, it's like the main resource they have
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is like tourists coming with bringing money and spending there.
But at the same time I get it, like there's
there's there's horrible people, Like there's there's like horrible famous
keep stirs in Chilia that they really tried to be
like the rap Anno. Okay, got it. I'd like to
hear more about those guys. I mean, like because it's
not very big island, Like I think you can walk
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around it in a day. There's only one town, right
there's it's not like you're moving to Long Island or something.
It's it's a tiny little spot. Well, this is what
happened during the nineties in chilea uh the government uh
decided to make and it was a great idea to
to make soap operas with different parts of the country
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sub the Yeah, the woods in the south that like
what's going on with the miners in the north, and
you know, they got it better and better. And then
it's some when they make a classic one called Yoranaka
your Urana that I think is hello in the Rappahannoi language.
It's it's soap opera so popular that brought like the
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Rappannoi culture to the mainstream. And after that, even today
there's a lot of memes and people who just like
obsessed with this island because of this sub opera. So
maybe that's the papara was the beginning of this problem.
And of course, like every good soap opera is, it's
destroying this planet. And the soap opera is about like
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people falling in love and there's a new guy moved
to the island or whatever. Yeah, exactly, and it's like
it's like chilenos to get out of the island. This
lands like fall in love and it's it's I love
the island. And then the guy proves that he loves
the island somehow by saving somebody and then like you
know what, one can stay you earned it. And then
they have this is called the Mukata. This is our
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big festival and we're gonna already. I've seen this movie.
Even if I haven't seen this movie, I've seen this movie.
Easter Island Rapa Nui by the way, just to put
it in some context, it's about sixty three square miles
and about seven thousand, almost eight thousand people, so smaller
than Nantucket for our Anglo listeners by comparison, I mean,
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it's tian. They don't want you there, and it's pretty
clear they don't want you there. They just took a
vote saying they don't want you there. Maybe they should
never open it again. I mean, don't we have enough
pictures of this place like that many people that are
really like they need to go see this or can
we just be like, you know, what's they got? These heads? Okay,
the big heads? Wow? Okay? Well what else is going
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on in Latin America? So I have some stories here
is we're back with one of our favorite characters. Bol
Sonaro is back in news Bolivia if I mean from Brazil, Brazil, Brazil, Brazil, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we were Gyar a friend. You know, if you if
you google right now Bolsonaro, all these crazy stories will
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show up, like you have like three or four impeachments
going on. He's doing like this big rallies and you know,
getting people hit it up. Looks like everything is falling apart. Uh.
There's a lot of people saying that he didn't mismanage
COVID and purpose and a lot of people die. So
he's he's he's fault. And the last information is that
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he went live. He always loved like, um, Facebook Live.
I don't know why he's a Facebook Live person. Just
what Facebook doesn't need is another like here's what it's
used for, like spreading this information. The Dictator of Brazil
going around there. I mean, I think Facebook is thinking
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about changing their names. I mean, did you change to
something that you can't pronounce in Portuguese? Because this guy
is gonna find it and it's gonna ruin it again.
I should back off on Dictator. By the way, I
don't think he's quite a together yet, right he is? Yeah, yeah,
he he was elected democratically, but he have no intention
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to follow the rules just to say it's some you know,
so yeah, it's cutural with the law. So both Sonaro
went Live and Facebook and he said that COVID vaccines
are linked to developing of eight um, so can you
imagine the president of the country that's supposed to be
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encouraging people to take the vaccines is like saying like, yeah, yeah,
I know these vaccines are connected and you know, some
people will get eight. And it was like what and
uh immediately and this is like when you're when you
see like this is like the problem with the world
right now, it's like Facebook take it, took it down,
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and that makes it bigger. Yes, of course, yes, so
it's like, of course they have to take it down.
But at the same time, when you take it down
now it's like they're hiding, they're hiding the stuff. Yeah,
you know he told the Drew that now they're these
big companies are trying to stop us from knowing the truth.
And so yeah, Hybelsnaro is now banned from Facebook from
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ninety days. Uh. He can't even check his aunt's birthday photographs.
And I have no idea of he's causing. You have
no way to watch a picture of him in nine
at an airport. Look at this cat that looks like
Baron Howkin and from Dune. He's completely banned from all
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those Uh, I help, somebody's printing it out and giving
it to him. I'm sure you can. You can have
another account you can just open from Facebook. Okay, we'll
just go to a different computer and not a big
deal from Facebook. So yeah, he's he's he's gonna be
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back there. Pretty What would if you were the head
of Facebook? What would you? I don't know. You know,
everybody hates Facebook, and I'm among them. I think Facebook
is bad and poisonous. Is poisoning everybody, and I don't
know really what good it's done except occasionally reminding me
when it's somebody's birthday. But what I don't I also,
on the other hand, I don't know what you're supposed
to do. If you are Facebook. You've created this thing.
Half the people of the world are on it, use
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it at least once a month. What what are you
supposed to do? Like, there's gonna be tons and tons
of garbage on it every day, everybody's maniac ont is
putting up whatever. How are you supposed to deal with this? Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. It's like, uh, it's the
problem with this is like the way they were selling
this at the beginning, like we want to connect the
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world communities, I mean, and then forget that humans are
horrible and they of course they're gonna like transform this
in a horrible tool. But at the same time I
have to say, like if I was Facebook, I'll be like,
you know what, these problems are out there. Now we
have a way to do have data on them. You know,
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maybe that's going from leaning into the data. Yeah, now
we know we know where this is because we know
that he said that, and now we can share this
information with the world and like have to find but
like be open to someone else to take care of
this problem, because I think they were like they have
like the board, like the they have like a supreme
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court of face. Yes, but what kind of countries this
what kind of like I don't know. I don't I
don't like the Supreme Court of Facebook dealing with issues.
I think it should be like the U N should
be like wag it in and be like, okay, give
me all the data and we higher like smarter people
to figure out this. And if you're a big, crazy
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company that's doing a lot of bad stuff, like the
worst solution seems like, don't worry. We came up with
a bunch of guys who are going to help us
with that. Yeah. So yeah, I mean they're changing their names.
Looks like I mean, probably they're not going to do
it at the end, but like, uh, I mean, you
can't change your name when you're Facebook. You're gonna be
like the new Facebook. Hope people are going to know
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not know that he's the same company. But I think
about Facebook, Here's who I think the winner of all
this is Tom from my Space? Remember my Space? He
had the thing everybody knows what he looks like. You
can picture him, and then he look maybe it collapsed
under him, Maybe he wanted it to get bigger. But
one way or another, he got enough money to be
comfortable for the rest of his life and he does
not have to deal with this stuff and he just
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walks the earth. And meanwhile, this guy Mark Zuckerberg has
no choice but to become an evil villain. I guess
he could walk away completely shut it down. Do you
think he could? Is there like a switch somewhere where
if he wants, If Zuckerberg wanted to, he could just
be like, you know what, Facebook's mistake? Turn it off?
Or has it gone too far that I could? That
couldn't even happen. I mean, it will be great. There's
a there's that technology available, he's office delete just sut
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the whole thing down. Would there be all the time
I'm trying to think through if there would be any
negative consequences, I think there'd be a lot of like
many hundreds of millions of people who would be suddenly
very lonely because Facebook is probably their main like social outlet,
and they'd be shocked and upset, and they'd probably lose
a lot of photos and stuff and they will join truth.
On the other hand, there'd be if you were there'd
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be no genois like the genocides would end, the videos
of gory accidents and all that stuff would be gone too.
So I don't know, Zuckerberg, if you've got that button
and you listened to four from the South, just think
about pressing it, you know, accidentally, just like fall into
it and be like, oh, and you will save the world. Also,
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by the way, you're already like Mark zucker is already
going to go down to sort of a world changing figure.
He'll be in history textbooks and stuff. But he hasn't
if he all, if he didn't shut down Facebook. Boy,
and there's ever been in the history of humankind someone
like that, extremely wealthy that you know, figure out something
that's like dad, massive machine in to say the deck,
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you know what, just shut it down. It's about it
was a bad idea. Give me a lot of money. Yeah,
there's no way it will be like you know what,
let's just stop here. No, people do not really like
the people who walk away from enormous power are like
the George Washington is one of the few examples I
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can think of, and we named a city of state
the whole idea after him. I don't know of There's
not many other people who are like, you know what,
I have all the power in the world and I'm
gonna just go back to my farm. Okay, Well, talking
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about um misinformation and gracy media and all that we
have here, last door, last story happening Chila this weekend.
Ah well, there's a famous newspaper it's called is the
Biggest One. It's like number one newspaper, always being connected
to the the right. During the Coup Pinachet Coupe, they
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were the give the money due to take down agended
you know, to hit pieces and all that. That's all documented.
But the thing is like, during the last couple of years,
this newspaper is still the biggest one book. It's kind
of irrelevant. People complied about it. It's still working there,
Like the reporters from back in the Dictator Dance are
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still like, yeah, I'm don't worry, I'm still on the
We'll be back, We'll be back. Like young journalists are like,
you know where I want to work with the paper
And the problem is like they have this, uh, this
horrible format. It's like still big, it's hard to read.
It's like it's you know, I don't know, I don't know.
It's like a newspaper. You don't need that. And the
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this weekend they decided to go with in a in
a part of the newspaper they have every week Gold Society,
they decided to go with the life of the Nazi
leader Herman go Ring. And the problem is like they
go with this piece as if he was a good
guy or just a random historical figure. Don't even like
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a good figure. Okay, here's a day in society. Let
me tell you about this dude. And they they really
like went with this piece with his um childhood, uh,
the school, I mean, he what he lies? What he does?
I mean even like if you read the piece, you
will see that they talk about like his favorite meals,
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and then it was like, why, what's the point of
this piece? Hang on? This is a guy who, even
though he like aside from being a Nazi, he's not
a particularly appealing guy. He's kind of fat and weird
and creepy. And that's before you get the Nazis. And
once again it's like, he's not even like the I
don't know. If they made you made a random piece
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with not connect with any historical moment to Hitler, someone
will be like, I don't know, they want to just
teach you about Hitler. I don't know, they just like
have an extra page today. But why you go with Goring?
I mean, it's not it doesn't. It sounds exactly like
what you're saying. An old journalist who is still there
from the pinched years be like, you know what, we
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have nothing this week. Let's just talk about someone I
know something I like taking the archives. Here's a guy
I'm pretty fascinated with with when might not see role
playing group at home? Nazy friends? But was there anything
in It's also like this guy is irrelevant, he's been
dead for years. Why are we talking? Why not Cardi
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B or something you know, I know, I mean that's
what that was. The thing is like it does make
any sense. And yeah, the page and they have article
looking in Society Secure in the headline Herman goring Hitler's
successor contain quotes of going himself, praising Hitler and describing
his meteoric rise and referring to him as a luterate
marshal um. So, yeah, the German embassy went to the
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German embasy and Chile. Usually not a like stressful assignment,
just kind of okay, anything bad happened today between Germany
and Chili. No, it's fine, everything's cool all the day. Yeah, okay,
just flip through the newspaper and make sure, okay, and
then we can go to go to the devastiast know.
Hang on a second, Oh, bad news. The whole newspaper
has a huge article about one of the worst villains
(27:32):
in our history. Okay, well, I'll better fire up the
old Twitter. They connect all the old the energy to
this old computer and they tweet. Um. Yeah, they tweet
like hey, this is a great guy. And you know,
then there's like this not leave it and this likely
space to justify minimize. Uh yeah, the Nazi regime and
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they all of cause, then the Jewish community of Chile
pointing to this tribute as an acceptable. Um, then you
have all that you and candidates to presidency going like,
you can't just bread this. This should go out saying
I don't know why we have a lot of problems here.
I'm running for president. I shouldn't have to pause to
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say that. Don't publish big pieces see propaganda on a
random weekend. Uh so, yeah, I mean that was the
news this week. And then of course today the newspaper
came out with a piece saying like we were just
wanted to inform population about this. Were didn't spect the
sound like we were doing an apology. We're sorry, bad
(28:41):
or bad. But I love it. I love I love
the beauty of just a guy who works in his
job that I decided to go with this piece. And
it's so tonuel that tone. You know how you didn't
even think that this is a bad idea. Yeah, there
could have been a little more so clearly about it,
because I think of their being actually high quality of journalism,
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and uh, you know, I thought there's a lot of
thoughtful magazines and reviews, and uh, the writer intellectual is
an acclaimed figure in Latin America. It seems like they
could have had somebody do a little better than this.
I mean, if you have space in your newspaper, just apostile,
you know, just the same story from last week, just
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pick copy paste. Big word search would have been a
lot of fun. Imagine if you got the newspaper and
there's a huge one page word search, its like, okay, wow,
that's kind of interesting. Get the whole family together. Oh
I found Armer okay a little better than like remember
going he bombed everybody. He was a Nazi. He was
a real maniac. Even if it's negative, you're like, boy,
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he was crazy. So necessary and it was again if
if this wasn't like I don't know and the need
these newspaper have a page of like remember horrible figures
on history. No, this was in society. Society so well.
I mean, I think there's an opportunity here to realize that.
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You know, they could just write about the most popular
kid at Chilean high school, so I'd probably more interesting
or like a cool guy you see on the street interviewing.
I mean, just put your kid to draw at elephant
and that will be way to well received. Yeah, everything
will be well received instead of this. So once again
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Murdo failed. Uh in it was shame, public shame this
weekend for their apology to Nazi Germany. Well, El Mecurio,
you're on our failed list for this week on four
from the South. Hopefully you'll do better next week and
hopefully we'll have some more good stories for you next week.
Hit us up on Twitter and Gmail. Four from the South.
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We would love to hear from you about what stories
you're hearing out there in big Latin America. And I'm
going to return to my life here in Los Angeles
where it's raining for the first time in a long time.
What here at the extreme northern end of Latin America
pouring rain, which is a great relief. Fab how's the
weather in New York? Uh? Perfect? Yeah, not rain, let's
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go with that. Awesome, Thanks guys, Thank you, Bye bye.
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you listen to your favorite ships.
Okay, we're back once again with four from the South.
I'm Steve Healey. I'm here with my good friend Fabrizio Capano.
How are you doing, Fab? I'm really happy to be
back in this show that is getting better and better
in every episode. The show is getting better and better,
and the listeners are responding. Every now and then someone
responds to us on Twitter. Now, so now I know
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that we're actually getting out there and we're reaching the people.
But let's not screw around with that kind of stuff.
On this show. We bring you four stories every week
from what we call Big Latin America, which goes all
the way from Los Angeles where I am, down to
Chile where Fabricio is, including uh, New York where for
B two is. Right now, we've even gone as far
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north as Canada. Latin America out here is a flexible,
mutable constant. It's a construct. We're inventing it as we go,
but this one is definitely a Latin American story. Fab
The headline is gripping. It said that, um, Pablo escobars.
I'm reading the headline from Complex magazine, but it was
reported in several places. Pablo Escobar's quote cocaine hippos legally
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recognized as people by US court, So maybe do you
can you bring us some background recognizes them cocaine. A
lot of questions here, Okay, do you want to give
us some background on the cocaine hippos in case people
don't know about them. Yeah. So Pablo Escobar was the
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number one, uh billionaire at the time, I mean he was.
They still don't know how much money he had because
if he was a big the biggest coke kingping of
all the world. And he decided to have a big
house with everything he wanted from from all over the world.
So he started to bring animals, exotic animals to his
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backyard and have a zoo like remember that movie We
Bought a Zoo. Yes, that's exactly like that, Like everybody else,
I don't actually remember the movie, but I remember the
idea that there was this movie, the concept and the
the the yeah gate. So there there was hippos in Colombia,
of course, uh in in in Without this inter interference
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from this coke dealer, there was no other way the
hippos will get there. So they destroy the environment, creating
like a weird um I mean new world where the
hippos are having kids and babies, and there's more and
more and more. So at the beginning they were like,
I don't know thirty and now it's like five thousand
hippos in that area of Colombia, so it's being a
(02:54):
big problem and they're escaping. There's people are scared of them,
and of course they're also like this new story. They've
been protected because people love them. At the same time. Yeah,
I mean, how can you not love a hippo at
least as long as it's not near you. It looks
really funny in a photo. It's funny the idea that
the drug dealer bought a bunch of hippos and now
they're just running around and nobody's taking care of them.
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But it actually is kind of an issue what are
we gonna do with these hippos? And Colombia was like, okay,
no problem, will just shoot the hippos, and then an
animal defense fund basically sued in Colombia to be like, hey,
you can't just shoot these hippos. These hippos have some rights,
and in Colombia, non human animals have the right to
bring lawsuits. You can bring a lawsuit on behalf of
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a non human animal. And then but and then they
brought it to the United States UM and the U. S.
District Court for the Southern District of Ohio recognized the
hippos as legal persons. Now, I'm reading the articles, and
I'm not a legal expert, but and I think that
the people writing these articles and Complex and these Light
and BuzzFeed and various other clickbait places, I don't think
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they're legal experts either. It's not like the info from Complex,
I don't get my no. So you're we're playing telephone
here with some legal information. But basically at the bottom
here is just a US court said that, Okay, yeah,
because these hippos do have some kind of rights, we
can compel some animal experts to testify. And basically, the
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the lawyers on behalf of the hippos are trying to
get these animal experts to be like, hey, can't we
just sterilize the hippos? Won't that be as good as
killing them? And the court, the court in the US
is like, the hippos have the right to ask for
some testimony testifying that it's better for them to be
sterilized than shot. So it's not like it's that uh,
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you know, life changing for the hippos. I mean, I
guess it's life saving, but they're still gonna get sterilized.
It's not. These hippos don't have all the rights of
you and I, but it does seem like it's And
it also seems like the animal rights people are working
on slowly establishing some precedence so animals will have rights
in the U. S. Court, and they're doing it in
small ways. And they picked the hippo cocaine case because
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of course it's going to end up in the headlines
and it's a good one for them. So I think,
as a fan of hippos and people in the legal system,
I think this is good. I mean, I like that
hippos have some rights. I like that they didn't go
too far. I think it would be bad if like
a hippo could sue you or something. But um, it
seems like, dude, this is good, right, I think that
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sounds good. I mean it started very bad with the
drug dealer bringing them illegally from Africa and now establishing
a new set of rules and laws to protect them. Uh.
And well, the thing is like there's a there's a
whole episode this. I listened to it the other day,
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and you know, like sterilizing hippo sounds like something not
easy but doable. It's really hard. It's really complicated, tell
me more so. First of all, these animals are not
like just walking around and you can you know, and
they're not like pokemons that you can catch. They just
underwater most of the time. And when they're out of
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water they're huge there. I mean, they're they're massive animals.
They're really really heavy. So the amount of drugs to
put them to sleep, it's and it's not like any
it's not like crack cocaine. You have to like get
this specific amount of trunquilizer and uh then it's like
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what do I have to pay for it? You have
to bring an expert, it's not like everyone. And then
their skin is very thick, so get the get the
get the needle in the right spot. It's really really complicated.
And and then the problem is like when they're groggy,
like they when they're like when they should they have
this moment when they try to scape back the water,
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but you have you can't low that because they're gonna die.
They're gonna they're gonna drawn if they go on the
water stop that. It's a very complicated thing to do.
I think you have to yeah, of course making a
laid down and open them. It's like I mean in
this episode of Real you can listen to it, they
take like five hours to do this surgery for one.
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Oh my god, there's at least one of these hippos
that are we're working on and and so this is
a lot of money. There's a little work. This is
not an easy thing to do. But you know what,
we have the best people in it, So I don't know.
I think it's that it's this is good news, but
also like it's a lot of work for uh, these
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animal protectors, and I know that they're coming from the
right direction, you know, they want to protect these animals. Um.
But yeah, once again, it's not it's not an easy task, guys.
It's pretty amazing. A small boy. Pablo Escobar is born
in Colombia and nine fifty or whatever year he was born,
and some uh seven years there there's a bunch of
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hippos running around and people have to try and sterilize
them and there's court cases about he just like Roy,
that ecosystem you know, this isn't the other animals. It's
like what what what is? What is this with the
other fish that live in that river and we're just
chilling and now there's a six pound hippo rolling around.
It's sometimes you hear about people like, you know, change
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the world. Every once in a while. You change the
world as like a good motto something people should aspire to,
you know, Martin Luther King change the world, Mother Theresa,
change a lot of people to change the world. Do
something by bringing hippos to the wrong place. And he's
changed the world, no question. There's hippos that never used
to be in Colombia. Now there's people having to spend
hours sterilizing them. That's a change, a significant ecological He
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changed the environment of a continent. It's insane. I mean,
I can't imagine God watching this and be like, well wait,
what what what? What's? What are the hippos was to
be one of my mistakes animals I made. I made
a mistake when I made hippos. What do you guys
even messing with? What do you guys think any more
and more in different parts of the world, Does it
make any sense? So yeah, it's a great story. I love.
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I love this story because it started with an article
and now it's like des throwing a whole ecosystem. I
haven't seen the show, the Netflix show Narcos. Do they
address the hippos and the show probably not. It's probably
too high badly, sadly they don't have the budget Latin
American Netflix and have the budget for that. It seems
a little unfair to me by the way that they're
always referred to as the cocaine hippos. They hippos so
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far as I know, never touched cocaine. They're all natural,
they're organic. They're getting blamed for their bosses. It was
when it starts free them like as humans, let's stop
call them the cocaine he boasts. That would be people
called my cat, the podcast cat. It's like, no, you
have nothing to do, and don't don't drag into this
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more offensive cocaine apos. So I've got another story for you.
This is from Chile. We'll take this wherever we can.
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All I saw I just thought it was kind of interesting.
On Easter Island. Um Rapa Nui is an island some
thousands of miles off the coast of Chile, but it
will include it in Latin America because its owned, owned,
or at least governed by Chile, and tourism is the
big business there. It's been a couple of years since
they've allowed tourists there, and they recently had a vote
like are we ready to let tourists back in COVID.
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We've got it a little bit under control, seems like
numbers are going down. And they took a vote on
Easter Island and they voted resoundingly no. The vote was
like six no to allow tourists on Easter Island. So,
as a Chilean thoughts on this, what's going on? How
do we feel? So listen, First of all, the relationship
between Eastern is in Chile always been kind of weird
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because I don't think they feel that Chileans, you know, honestly,
they're they're not. Yeah, it makes sense. But at the
same time, for Chili's versus like or main international icon
you know, like you see the moise like this big
rocks with faces in movies on TV, on museums, and
(11:24):
they're everywhere. No one connect them with Chili, But technically
those are like chillen uh signature icons, you know, in
a way, so it's it's yeah, the relevance of Australia,
of course is you know, but all of the planet.
But and at the same time, the only way the
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island can survive is like getting groceries and food and
everything from the mainland. So it's like kind of Chilean
government and the Chilean entities are the ones sending them stuff.
But of course it's a tiny island with a lot
of like a very specific culture, like Rappanoic culture is
(12:05):
very cool, so a lot of people go there to
ruin it. A lot of people go there trying to
be cool, trying to take the right pictures and like
trying to then decided like maybe I should move here.
Not always happens, doesn't it. It's not always part of
going on vacations. Maybe I should just move here. Yeah,
(12:26):
And then you have a group of undesirable humans that
they like, yeah, we're we're moving here. So then a
tiny island not all our resources more chilence. Uh, you
don't get the culture to try to like kind of
appropriate the culture and kind of like getting a little
bit tense. And I think with COVID it was like great,
(12:47):
now we have an excuse to not bring more people
to start, like you know, kind of managing like the
immigration process to the island. And at the same time, yeah,
we we we can, we can take a break from
all these tourism that is being happening. And uh, I don't.
I don't think they can they can last for long
because once again, it's like the main resource they have
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is like tourists coming with bringing money and spending there.
But at the same time I get it, like there's
there's there's horrible people, Like there's there's like horrible famous
keep stirs in Chilia that they really tried to be
like the rap Anno. Okay, got it. I'd like to
hear more about those guys. I mean, like because it's
not very big island, Like I think you can walk
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around it in a day. There's only one town, right
there's it's not like you're moving to Long Island or something.
It's it's a tiny little spot. Well, this is what
happened during the nineties in chilea uh the government uh
decided to make and it was a great idea to
to make soap operas with different parts of the country
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sub the Yeah, the woods in the south that like
what's going on with the miners in the north, and
you know, they got it better and better. And then
it's some when they make a classic one called Yoranaka
your Urana that I think is hello in the Rappahannoi language.
It's it's soap opera so popular that brought like the
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Rappannoi culture to the mainstream. And after that, even today
there's a lot of memes and people who just like
obsessed with this island because of this sub opera. So
maybe that's the papara was the beginning of this problem.
And of course, like every good soap opera is, it's
destroying this planet. And the soap opera is about like
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people falling in love and there's a new guy moved
to the island or whatever. Yeah, exactly, and it's like
it's like chilenos to get out of the island. This
lands like fall in love and it's it's I love
the island. And then the guy proves that he loves
the island somehow by saving somebody and then like you
know what, one can stay you earned it. And then
they have this is called the Mukata. This is our
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big festival and we're gonna already. I've seen this movie.
Even if I haven't seen this movie, I've seen this movie.
Easter Island Rapa Nui by the way, just to put
it in some context, it's about sixty three square miles
and about seven thousand, almost eight thousand people, so smaller
than Nantucket for our Anglo listeners by comparison, I mean,
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it's tian. They don't want you there, and it's pretty
clear they don't want you there. They just took a
vote saying they don't want you there. Maybe they should
never open it again. I mean, don't we have enough
pictures of this place like that many people that are
really like they need to go see this or can
we just be like, you know, what's they got? These heads? Okay,
the big heads? Wow? Okay? Well what else is going
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on in Latin America? So I have some stories here
is we're back with one of our favorite characters. Bol
Sonaro is back in news Bolivia if I mean from Brazil, Brazil, Brazil, Brazil, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we were Gyar a friend. You know, if you if
you google right now Bolsonaro, all these crazy stories will
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show up, like you have like three or four impeachments
going on. He's doing like this big rallies and you know,
getting people hit it up. Looks like everything is falling apart. Uh.
There's a lot of people saying that he didn't mismanage
COVID and purpose and a lot of people die. So
he's he's he's fault. And the last information is that
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he went live. He always loved like, um, Facebook Live.
I don't know why he's a Facebook Live person. Just
what Facebook doesn't need is another like here's what it's
used for, like spreading this information. The Dictator of Brazil
going around there. I mean, I think Facebook is thinking
(16:49):
about changing their names. I mean, did you change to
something that you can't pronounce in Portuguese? Because this guy
is gonna find it and it's gonna ruin it again.
I should back off on Dictator. By the way, I
don't think he's quite a together yet, right he is? Yeah, yeah,
he he was elected democratically, but he have no intention
(17:09):
to follow the rules just to say it's some you know,
so yeah, it's cutural with the law. So both Sonaro
went Live and Facebook and he said that COVID vaccines
are linked to developing of eight um, so can you
imagine the president of the country that's supposed to be
(17:30):
encouraging people to take the vaccines is like saying like, yeah, yeah,
I know these vaccines are connected and you know, some
people will get eight. And it was like what and
uh immediately and this is like when you're when you
see like this is like the problem with the world
right now, it's like Facebook take it, took it down,
(17:52):
and that makes it bigger. Yes, of course, yes, so
it's like, of course they have to take it down.
But at the same time, when you take it down
now it's like they're hiding, they're hiding the stuff. Yeah,
you know he told the Drew that now they're these
big companies are trying to stop us from knowing the truth.
And so yeah, Hybelsnaro is now banned from Facebook from
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ninety days. Uh. He can't even check his aunt's birthday photographs.
And I have no idea of he's causing. You have
no way to watch a picture of him in nine
at an airport. Look at this cat that looks like
Baron Howkin and from Dune. He's completely banned from all
(18:38):
those Uh, I help, somebody's printing it out and giving
it to him. I'm sure you can. You can have
another account you can just open from Facebook. Okay, we'll
just go to a different computer and not a big
deal from Facebook. So yeah, he's he's he's gonna be
(18:59):
back there. Pretty What would if you were the head
of Facebook? What would you? I don't know. You know,
everybody hates Facebook, and I'm among them. I think Facebook
is bad and poisonous. Is poisoning everybody, and I don't
know really what good it's done except occasionally reminding me
when it's somebody's birthday. But what I don't I also,
on the other hand, I don't know what you're supposed
to do. If you are Facebook. You've created this thing.
Half the people of the world are on it, use
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it at least once a month. What what are you
supposed to do? Like, there's gonna be tons and tons
of garbage on it every day, everybody's maniac ont is
putting up whatever. How are you supposed to deal with this? Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. It's like, uh, it's the
problem with this is like the way they were selling
this at the beginning, like we want to connect the
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world communities, I mean, and then forget that humans are
horrible and they of course they're gonna like transform this
in a horrible tool. But at the same time I
have to say, like if I was Facebook, I'll be like,
you know what, these problems are out there. Now we
have a way to do have data on them. You know,
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maybe that's going from leaning into the data. Yeah, now
we know we know where this is because we know
that he said that, and now we can share this
information with the world and like have to find but
like be open to someone else to take care of
this problem, because I think they were like they have
like the board, like the they have like a supreme
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court of face. Yes, but what kind of countries this
what kind of like I don't know. I don't I
don't like the Supreme Court of Facebook dealing with issues.
I think it should be like the U N should
be like wag it in and be like, okay, give
me all the data and we higher like smarter people
to figure out this. And if you're a big, crazy
(20:43):
company that's doing a lot of bad stuff, like the
worst solution seems like, don't worry. We came up with
a bunch of guys who are going to help us
with that. Yeah. So yeah, I mean they're changing their names.
Looks like I mean, probably they're not going to do
it at the end, but like, uh, I mean, you
can't change your name when you're Facebook. You're gonna be
like the new Facebook. Hope people are going to know
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not know that he's the same company. But I think
about Facebook, Here's who I think the winner of all
this is Tom from my Space? Remember my Space? He
had the thing everybody knows what he looks like. You
can picture him, and then he look maybe it collapsed
under him, Maybe he wanted it to get bigger. But
one way or another, he got enough money to be
comfortable for the rest of his life and he does
not have to deal with this stuff and he just
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walks the earth. And meanwhile, this guy Mark Zuckerberg has
no choice but to become an evil villain. I guess
he could walk away completely shut it down. Do you
think he could? Is there like a switch somewhere where
if he wants, If Zuckerberg wanted to, he could just
be like, you know what, Facebook's mistake? Turn it off?
Or has it gone too far that I could? That
couldn't even happen. I mean, it will be great. There's
a there's that technology available, he's office delete just sut
(21:56):
the whole thing down. Would there be all the time
I'm trying to think through if there would be any
negative consequences, I think there'd be a lot of like
many hundreds of millions of people who would be suddenly
very lonely because Facebook is probably their main like social outlet,
and they'd be shocked and upset, and they'd probably lose
a lot of photos and stuff and they will join truth.
On the other hand, there'd be if you were there'd
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be no genois like the genocides would end, the videos
of gory accidents and all that stuff would be gone too.
So I don't know, Zuckerberg, if you've got that button
and you listened to four from the South, just think
about pressing it, you know, accidentally, just like fall into
it and be like, oh, and you will save the world. Also,
(22:38):
by the way, you're already like Mark zucker is already
going to go down to sort of a world changing figure.
He'll be in history textbooks and stuff. But he hasn't
if he all, if he didn't shut down Facebook. Boy,
and there's ever been in the history of humankind someone
like that, extremely wealthy that you know, figure out something
that's like dad, massive machine in to say the deck,
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you know what, just shut it down. It's about it
was a bad idea. Give me a lot of money. Yeah,
there's no way it will be like you know what,
let's just stop here. No, people do not really like
the people who walk away from enormous power are like
the George Washington is one of the few examples I
(23:20):
can think of, and we named a city of state
the whole idea after him. I don't know of There's
not many other people who are like, you know what,
I have all the power in the world and I'm
gonna just go back to my farm. Okay, Well, talking
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about um misinformation and gracy media and all that we
have here, last door, last story happening Chila this weekend.
Ah well, there's a famous newspaper it's called is the
Biggest One. It's like number one newspaper, always being connected
to the the right. During the Coup Pinachet Coupe, they
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were the give the money due to take down agended
you know, to hit pieces and all that. That's all documented.
But the thing is like, during the last couple of years,
this newspaper is still the biggest one book. It's kind
of irrelevant. People complied about it. It's still working there,
Like the reporters from back in the Dictator Dance are
(24:27):
still like, yeah, I'm don't worry, I'm still on the
We'll be back, We'll be back. Like young journalists are like,
you know where I want to work with the paper
And the problem is like they have this, uh, this
horrible format. It's like still big, it's hard to read.
It's like it's you know, I don't know, I don't know.
It's like a newspaper. You don't need that. And the
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this weekend they decided to go with in a in
a part of the newspaper they have every week Gold Society,
they decided to go with the life of the Nazi
leader Herman go Ring. And the problem is like they
go with this piece as if he was a good
guy or just a random historical figure. Don't even like
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a good figure. Okay, here's a day in society. Let
me tell you about this dude. And they they really
like went with this piece with his um childhood, uh,
the school, I mean, he what he lies? What he does?
I mean even like if you read the piece, you
will see that they talk about like his favorite meals,
(25:37):
and then it was like, why, what's the point of
this piece? Hang on? This is a guy who, even
though he like aside from being a Nazi, he's not
a particularly appealing guy. He's kind of fat and weird
and creepy. And that's before you get the Nazis. And
once again it's like, he's not even like the I
don't know. If they made you made a random piece
(25:59):
with not connect with any historical moment to Hitler, someone
will be like, I don't know, they want to just
teach you about Hitler. I don't know, they just like
have an extra page today. But why you go with Goring?
I mean, it's not it doesn't. It sounds exactly like
what you're saying. An old journalist who is still there
from the pinched years be like, you know what, we
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have nothing this week. Let's just talk about someone I
know something I like taking the archives. Here's a guy
I'm pretty fascinated with with when might not see role
playing group at home? Nazy friends? But was there anything
in It's also like this guy is irrelevant, he's been
dead for years. Why are we talking? Why not Cardi
(26:44):
B or something you know, I know, I mean that's
what that was. The thing is like it does make
any sense. And yeah, the page and they have article
looking in Society Secure in the headline Herman goring Hitler's
successor contain quotes of going himself, praising Hitler and describing
his meteoric rise and referring to him as a luterate
marshal um. So, yeah, the German embassy went to the
(27:10):
German embasy and Chile. Usually not a like stressful assignment,
just kind of okay, anything bad happened today between Germany
and Chili. No, it's fine, everything's cool all the day. Yeah, okay,
just flip through the newspaper and make sure, okay, and
then we can go to go to the devastiast know.
Hang on a second, Oh, bad news. The whole newspaper
has a huge article about one of the worst villains
(27:32):
in our history. Okay, well, I'll better fire up the
old Twitter. They connect all the old the energy to
this old computer and they tweet. Um. Yeah, they tweet
like hey, this is a great guy. And you know,
then there's like this not leave it and this likely
space to justify minimize. Uh yeah, the Nazi regime and
(27:55):
they all of cause, then the Jewish community of Chile
pointing to this tribute as an acceptable. Um, then you
have all that you and candidates to presidency going like,
you can't just bread this. This should go out saying
I don't know why we have a lot of problems here.
I'm running for president. I shouldn't have to pause to
(28:16):
say that. Don't publish big pieces see propaganda on a
random weekend. Uh so, yeah, I mean that was the
news this week. And then of course today the newspaper
came out with a piece saying like we were just
wanted to inform population about this. Were didn't spect the
sound like we were doing an apology. We're sorry, bad
(28:41):
or bad. But I love it. I love I love
the beauty of just a guy who works in his
job that I decided to go with this piece. And
it's so tonuel that tone. You know how you didn't
even think that this is a bad idea. Yeah, there
could have been a little more so clearly about it,
because I think of their being actually high quality of journalism,
(29:04):
and uh, you know, I thought there's a lot of
thoughtful magazines and reviews, and uh, the writer intellectual is
an acclaimed figure in Latin America. It seems like they
could have had somebody do a little better than this.
I mean, if you have space in your newspaper, just apostile,
you know, just the same story from last week, just
(29:28):
pick copy paste. Big word search would have been a
lot of fun. Imagine if you got the newspaper and
there's a huge one page word search, its like, okay, wow,
that's kind of interesting. Get the whole family together. Oh
I found Armer okay a little better than like remember
going he bombed everybody. He was a Nazi. He was
a real maniac. Even if it's negative, you're like, boy,
(29:49):
he was crazy. So necessary and it was again if
if this wasn't like I don't know and the need
these newspaper have a page of like remember horrible figures
on history. No, this was in society. Society so well.
I mean, I think there's an opportunity here to realize that.
(30:10):
You know, they could just write about the most popular
kid at Chilean high school, so I'd probably more interesting
or like a cool guy you see on the street interviewing.
I mean, just put your kid to draw at elephant
and that will be way to well received. Yeah, everything
will be well received instead of this. So once again
(30:33):
Murdo failed. Uh in it was shame, public shame this
weekend for their apology to Nazi Germany. Well, El Mecurio,
you're on our failed list for this week on four
from the South. Hopefully you'll do better next week and
hopefully we'll have some more good stories for you next week.
Hit us up on Twitter and Gmail. Four from the South.
(30:55):
We would love to hear from you about what stories
you're hearing out there in big Latin America. And I'm
going to return to my life here in Los Angeles
where it's raining for the first time in a long time.
What here at the extreme northern end of Latin America
pouring rain, which is a great relief. Fab how's the
weather in New York? Uh? Perfect? Yeah, not rain, let's
(31:16):
go with that. Awesome, Thanks guys, Thank you, Bye bye.
Four from the South is hosted by Me, Steve Healey,
and Fabrizio Capano. Robert O'Shaughnessy is our producer. Original theme
song by Amy Stolsenbach. Four from the South is a
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