April 29, 2024 • 26 mins
On this episode, we're revisiting Tom's old gaff... The Tower of London. Tom lived there for six years and it was pretty marvelous actually. We've all been feeling pretty homesick and that's why we're bringing you part two of his chat with (at the time of recording) the current resident, Meghan Clawson. As well as being Queen of the Castle, Meghan is also a novelist and TikTok star, and she owns a very cute dog called Ethel. Open the gates! We're coming home.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Home, Sweet Home. Oh hello, you've just caught me reminiscing.
On this episode, we're revisiting my old gaff, the Tower
of London, because I lived there. You see, I used
to live in the Tower of London. I'm not sure
if I've mentioned that before on this podcast. I lived
in the Tower of London for six years. When I
lived in the Tower of London, well, I lived in
(00:25):
the Tower of London for six years. Did you see
as I lived in the Tower of London for six years?
I mean, I remember, like when I lived in the
Tower of London. I lived in the Tower of London
for six six years. Marbles, mar mar Yeah, it was
pretty marvelous actually, And I'll be honest with you, I've
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been feeling pretty homesick, even though it's not my home anymore.
That's why we're bringing you part two of my chat
with at the time of recording, the current resident, Meghan Clawson.
As well as being Queen of the Castle, Meghan is
also a novelist and TikTok star, and she owns a
very cute dog called Ethel. In our first episode, she
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told stories of prisoners, ghosts, and ravens. This time, you're
going to be hearing more about the day to day stuff,
how to order a pizza to the tower, how to
do your laundry, and drinking. There's an awful lot of drinking.
First things first, though, just like me, Meghan lived at
the tower courtesy of her dad. He's a beefeater. But
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how did he get the job? Well, you have to
have served in the Armed forces for at least twenty
two years, received the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal.
Oh and there's an application process of course.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Originally, when he was actually applying for the job, it
was like, I don't want to say it as a joke,
but it was kind of like, oh hah, now you've
got this medal, the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal,
which is the award that you have to get to
qualify you to be a beefeater. And one of his
friends just he didn't even know this. It was one
of his friends that said, oh, now you can apply
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to be a beefeater, and my dad was like, well,
that's that's a bit weird. I'll have a look into it.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Then he got the interview and he was like, oh,
that's fun. I'll just go and have an interview in
the tower. Of London. That's fine. And then he got
the job and he was like, oh, I'm moving into
the Tower of London and I am now retiring and
I'm a be beter. So wow, Yeah, we're all a
little bit surprised because I think we all thought of
it as just this funny little thing that my dad
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was doing that was just like a bit of a joke.
And then yeah, we got to the tower and it
was like, oh my god, like we are inside this place,
and I think it's it's taken years for it to
actually sink in. I think when I because I obviously
didn't move in straight away, and I'd go to the
tower to do my washing because I lived in student accommodations,
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so local mound. Yeah, that's all of our washing machines
were absolutely terrible, and I didn't want to pay five
pounds just to put on a load of washing, so
I would pack up my suitcase and walk to the
Tower of London, which was a nightmare of the cobbles.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So you were just this random woman coming in and
out of the tower with these washing bags.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Pretty much. That that was how it all started. And
my dad would cook me the most student meal. I'd
ever had in my whole time as a student. So
we'd have like chicken nuggets and chips out of the freezer,
which is perfect. And then I'd have to use Moira Cameron,
who was the first female beefy turch She's an amazing woman. Yeah,
I'd have to use her tumble dryer to dry off
my wash because my dad didn't have one. So yeah,
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that was how my relationship with the Tower started. It
was literally just a place to do my laundry venience place.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
How much scandal have you gotten up to in the
Tower yourself?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
There's a story that I will never tell, but you
can't say that.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
You can't be on a podcast all about telling stories
and just say there's a really great story, but I'm
not going to say it. No, just give us the highlights.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
No involved me being incredibly drunk. And there have been
times where the security who work the night shift, they
say they don't see anything. So I'll walk in, don't
tell my dad, and he just goes, don't see anything.
I've never seen anything in my whole time of living here.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I mean, mate, you're chatting to the right person here
in my six years of loom there, Because there's always
there's points where you can come back into the tower
and there's points when you can't. Namely, there's so many
of the keys that happens at quarter to ten you
can't get him sort of the fifty minutes before that
until after ten o'clock and then come midnight is when
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you need to be in the signing out book, which
that was the bane of my life for six years.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I've heard very many stories of that being the bane
of your life.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, I've had a view it. It's like five six
in the morning. You go to wait until they actually
sort of open up the place. And the amount of
times I pull, you know, Walk of Shame all night
as and come back as they're setting up and they've
seen me in some hell of estates or if I
ever had a girl back to the tower, because you've
got to then put them in the signing in book. Yeah,
(05:09):
so they've just got a list of all my all
my relation not that there were loads.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I remember my dad telling me before that every time
he was on watch, it would always be you in
the book, and it would always be you coming back
really late, or you'd ring up like just after midnight
and be like, oh please can you put me in
the book, and obviously, because you are the constable son,
there's absolutely nothing they could do. So if that was me,
I'd get the biggest telling off. My dad would get
(05:35):
the biggest telling off. But it's oh no, it's the
boss's son. There's nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I did get one be feature at one point who went,
you know in the book, not let you in? And
I was like, mate, we literally were drinking in the
pub yesterday. Can you please let me go? No, I'm
going to have to phone the governor. And he rang
the governor up at like three in the morning, and
the governor woke and went just let him in, for
Christ's sake.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
My favorite story is my friend Eli, who her dad
is Abifita as well. She told me a story of
her coming back in and it was about three four
o'clock in the morning and she was very, very drunk,
and that very same night, somebody had tried to jump
the fence to get into the tower. So the whole
guard had been called out, So all of the Queen's
guards at the time had been called down and had
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this this person that was trying to come in up
against the fence with their guns. Basically, so she came
in very drunk. All of these guards had this guy
up against the fence, and she just walked in and went, hello, everybody.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I'm home.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And she just said this to the guard who had yeah,
who had got a suspected very laso hello bomb. So yeah,
so she'd come in and she'd seen them all and
just just waved to them and said, I'm hoping. There's
been many stories I've heard of people. We had a
time that the end of season dinner we have at
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the Four seas And Hotel, which is literally just the
other side of the road, and that is there's unlimited
beefe to gin at those evenings, so a load of
beefeaters and all of the other residents with free beefeater
gin is a recipe for disaster. Knowing as well that
you've only got about one hundred meters to your front door.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Not if your zigzagon, Yeah, and seven hundred to get back.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
There's a story of one year someone having to be
carted back in a wheelchair, covered in their own sick.
So yeah, after I heard all of these stories, I
was like, there is absolutely nothing I can do that
will ever compete with any of these stories. They've seen
a lot on the gate.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
When I first moved in as well, because I lived
in Queen's House at the time now King's House, and
I was a Queen's guard that stands outside my front door. Now,
they hadn't told that's what guy that I was living there.
So he's got a picture of my dad in his box,
so he knows. But I, obviously, in my shorts and trainers,
just look like a bloke walking in. So when I
hopped over a chain fence to go into my house,
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he turned on me and started freeze, get back and
on it. Oh no, you've misunderstood, Please don't shoot me.
It was like petrifying.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
No now because obviously my boyfriend is a guardsman and
I met him doing that. And now now I know
all of the secrets of the guards, and one of
them is obviously they're stood there for hours on end,
so that the highlight of their day shouting at somebody,
as is my dad's highlight of his day. He'll only
come home and he'll only be happy if he's had
to shout someone to get off the grass. So the
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guards are very similar in that way. And I know
that they do this thing that they purposely try to
make you jump when they like stand to attention and
they slap their boots so hard that it echoes around
the whole of the courtyard, and they do that to
try and see how many people they can make jump.
And there have been many times where I've been walking
across just as it's closing and they've done that, and
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I've like literally gone, oh, I just look at them,
and now i know I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Like you yeah. And also they must the Queen's Guard
or the King's guard. They must also have so many
stories of marching from point A to B and not
trying to avoid the tourists who get in the way.
We've all seen the videos. They are not gonna move.
They're not gonna be the ones that move, and they
shouldn't do either. I should point out I'm completely on
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the on there on the guard's side. As your boyfriend
ever walked into a child, not.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
A child, I think that's perhaps a little bit too far.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But yeah, kicked over a pram. He did tell me.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
About a time. Because obviously in Windsor Castle, they're like,
they're not fenced, so obviously in the tower they're they're
behind a little fence, and and obviously outside the King's house,
they're quite far away. In Windsor Castle, they're not and
all of the tourists get in the way. And he
always loves this story about the time where this tourist
just kept getting the way while he was marching, so
he just didn't stop and ended up while while he
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was like in the swing of his arm just punched
him in the back of the back in his back.
That's his favorite little story to tell.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
If the toys was deliberately put themselves in the way.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, they get warned first that like all of these
videos are taken from a period of time where like
they've cut all of the pre bit and all that
the afterbit.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So you're telling me that the internet is not the reality,
that what we see is not the whole truth, the
first guy.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And yeah, so it's like all of the ones that
you see at the tower are usually taken either when
they're changing the guard or during the word. And for
like about ten minutes before all of that takes place,
you have all of the beefeaters going around going don't
stand in this place. You'll get ran over, basically, and
there will always be people that will stand in the way,
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and a lot of them want to be run over.
I don't know if it's like a little like thing
that people want to go home from the holidays and say,
oh I got knocked down by a kingsguard.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
No, I think I think they do. I think people
really would want that. Oh God. They normally don't talk
the Queen's Guard, King's guard, but I have had them
ask me a question as I walked past them into
the house a couple of times, And the only question
they've ever asked me is what time is it? Yeah? Yeah,
you go, oh my god, when's I shift over boiling?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
When my boyfriend did it, he he was on booking
Palace and he said, can you send me a text
every ten minutes because I'm gonna have my phone in
my pocket vibrate. Yeah, can you send me a text
every ten minutes so I can tell what time it
is because there are some guards like offices and things
that will go past and we'll troll them.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So the time. Yeah, it's Christmas Day, So if.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
They've been on for an hour and a half, they've
only got half an hour ago.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
The two hours since yeah, yeah, it's a long time.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's the thing to not move to not like in
the heat as well. They've had to put them in
this week because it's been so hot. It's just it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Oh yeah, I imagine.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
But yeah, well I suppose if you've got that kind
of mindset where your mind just wanders. I think a
lot of the guards I've met are a bit like that,
that they just people watch for that amount of time,
so like I'm going to count how many people are
wearing yellow shirt, or I'm just going to watch this
one specific person and see what they do all day. Yeah,
if you ever see a King's guard, the chances of
them judging you is very high. Like they are just
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watching you and watching every little move that you make.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
They have played out multiple different scenarios of things that
happen to you on that day. Just for people who
don't know, there is a secret pub in the Tower
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of London called the Keys Pub. It's the most exclusive
pub in London. Yes, I am quoting multiple Beef features
who have told me this. Well, they just dressed me
down and tell me how lucky as well. I don't
know if it had changed by the time you arrived,
but back when I arrived, it was like one pound
twenty five a pint.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
No, it's a little bit more, a little bit more expensive.
I think it's the second cheapest behind Chelsea Pensioners.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Behind Weatherspoons. It's an amazing pub. It's got two sections.
Three of you include the bar, but then one side
is the formal side where you need to have a
jacket and tie, and it's lots of very invited guests
and there's lots of memorabilia on the walls. And then
there's the more relaxed side where you normally go in
and it's lots of BEVs off duty and more often
(13:38):
than not about five or six dogs just walking around. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, they actually call that side it's named the Little Ease,
which I think is quite funny, which is a torture device,
which is a room that's so small that you can't
sit up straight in it, but you can't lay down either,
So it's that kind of the torture is it's just
you can't ever become ball. So that side of the
bar is called the Little Ease after this torture device,
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because yeah, it's quite small and very snug, so it
is a snug in the bar. But yeah, so that's
the residence side where you can come in your jeans
and your T shirt and yeah, the dogs got to
a point where there were too many dogs, so they
were banned for a while, which banned. Yeah, but Ethel
worms her way in there. I think she she just
gives everybody a look and she's like, this is my
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favorite place to be, Like, we cannot walk past the
bar without her walking in it.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So she's because there's about there's about what thirty dogs
that live inside the town of us.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, there's a whole other community of dogs within the tower,
which is very interesting. Have you heard of Churchill's brick
in the bar? So I've been meaning to make a
video on this. So there is a just a brick
inside the bar that has a little plaque on it
that says Churchill's brick, And the story goes that, apparently
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that's where Churchill would stub out his like his cigars, right,
But then we realized we don't think Churchill ever actually
came into the bar, and the brick actually has no
relation whatsoever to Winston Churchill himself. But the story just
got so far it was clearly a beefy to got
really drunk one night. Remember when Churchill used to come
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in and stick his cigars in that in that brick,
But no, that's never happened. But there is still a
brick in the Keys Pub with a plaque on it
that says Churchill's brick.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
History is not about accuracy, It's about the stories we tell,
the imagination.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, and what that shows of all of us throughout
history that we've We've always liked a little bit of embellishment.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, yeah, of course, of course the Keys holds loads
of different events there. We watched the World Cup final.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
There, we did.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Indeed, you're very kind you have. I stood at the
back and I haven't got a seat and you came
and seen a seat. I'm very grateful for you for that.
Watching that with a bunch of military guys who have
serious about their football. Christ, that was a moment.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah. But the thing I like the most about watching
anything sporty in the Keys is you will always get
a great national anthem beforehand.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
They do it with eon stands up. They all get
it together. It's really well done.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
We take it very very serious in the Tower, which
I think is probably comes with the job. But yeah,
so it's great. It's great fun. You feel like you're
in the stadium at that point you've got all of
these loud, booming voices really lovely.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, even on New year because in a few New
Year's parties where they have that in the keys and
then everyone goes onto the wharf, onto the commles to
look at the fireworks. What an amazing atmosphere is.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
That's it's incredible. It's honestly, it's one of those things
that I will be sixty years old in the pub
going remember that time I was in the Tower of
London for New Year's even then the fireworks and all this,
and then never want to be going. Okay, man, time
to go back to the care home. Now.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I remember when I got told by my dad, oh,
you know you're going to now be living in the Tower.
I'm living in the Tower of London. And you do
have this sort of image. You've heard of it obviously,
and you might have visited once. I don't think i'd
even visited, and I think I went ice skating there
once or something. But I was more interested on the
date I was on rather than the actual history, because
that's the person I was in my early twenties. But
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then when you walk in and then you start hearing
about the history, and you start connecting all the different
towers and the places, and you realize, actually, what a
sort of store wault of our nation's identity and history
the place actually is. And then it does slowly sink in, Oh, wow,
this is actually so special, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And I think it definitely took me years, and it
took me I don't know. Maybe it wasn't until I
started the TikTok stuff that it really gave because obviously
I was so appreciative just for the fact that I
was living in central London, like for somebody like me,
I came from a humble, working class background in Lincolnshire.
To then be living in a castle or just living
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full stop in central London was completely out of the
question for me, even just two months before we moved in.
So yeah, But then it wasn't really until I started
learning more about the history and my dad would come
home and tell me things, and he would say, oh,
look those doors over there were opened by he May eighth,
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and like little things like that, and it makes you
feel so terribly small, but also in the most brilliant
way possible, like you feel like you're just so like
you are nothing in the world compared to the history,
but also the fact that you are just this tiny
speck of dust in such a long line of so
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many great, big moments. It's amazing. And that was why
I started learning the history of it, because I thought,
this is such, like, this is the epicenter of British
culture and British history, and I'm a nobody, Like I
feel like I owe it to the tower itself to
at least learn about it and learn about the place
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that I'm living, and that the place that I am
squatting in essentially, And yeah, so that's that's why I
really wanted to learn the history, because I just wanted
to give back in the only way that I possibly could,
and that was to have an appreciation of how lucky
I am and how amazing this is. So yeah, I
think that that's definitely something that I wanted to give
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back with. Yeah, and hopefully hopefully that comes across in Tiktoks.
But totally as soon as I leave, I'll be like,
I lived in a castle. Did you know? I lived
in a castle? So that'll be that it will become
even more my whole personality at that point.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So, yes, when you leave, are you still going to
carry on the sort of sequence of royal or military
themed novels.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Or I've always been a massive geek about historical places anyway,
so I was thinking I might branch out to more
National Trustee places, like I spent my seventeenth birthday at
Chatsworth House, so yeah, always been a massive nerd for
stuff like that. So yeah, branching out. And I think
the more I've leant into kind of the military side
of stuff, the more I've really enjoyed military history as well,
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and people have enjoyed learning about it too.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
So that's good. And I think that's what we were
just saying. Like, but when I left the tower, and
because I was like some of you, I'd sort of
built up this, oh I'm the London guy, and I
was like, oh god, I'm no longer the Tower of
London Night. But I think you do realize that firstly,
that never leaves you. You've always got that Oh I
did live there, But I think in your career you
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do want to then expand I can't just focus on
one place. So it's actually I think actually the danger
would be staying there too long and becoming repetitive. So
I think actually it's a blessing in disguise. Historically, it's
very rare for a woman to enter the tower then
leave with her head how high, with more confidence. Normally
they're just head on the floor and dead.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
This is what people have been saying to me about
potentially leaving. They're like, well, at least you'll get to
leave your head.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Well, we can't say for sure yet, let's.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Hope we'll see. Might accidentally slip a few crown jewels
in my handbag on the way out, and that would
be it. That'd be the end of me.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Well, before making leaves this episode, with or without her head,
she's got a lot to answer for. And by that,
I mean you listeners wrote in and asked questions, and
we're going to answer them. Is there a kitchen or
does one only bring in food? I like how they've
done that in the old the English? Does one only
bring in food?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
We have kitchens because that's another thing everybody thinks we
just live in a dungeon. Yeah, and like that there
is running water, we don't have to go down to
the well and get get it out of the well.
But yeah, no, it just I don't use my kitchen
very often because I'm a terrible.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Cook, but we both have fallen foul of the trying
to order a pizza.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
That's another These these are real first world problems, but
even beyond first world problem. Yeah, yeah, trying to order
a pizza to the Tower of London is a whole obstacle.
So it does make you eat a little bit better. Yes,
you get a workout chasing a delivery driver across Tower Hill,
that's for sure. I have to order it to the Starbucks, right,
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So it's at the point where it's easier for a
delivery driver to find a single Starbucks among thousands in
London than it is to find the Tower of London.
I once had a guy ring me up and say
which building is it? And I was like, it's the
Tower of London, like the tower in the middle of London,
and yeah, got very confused. And so now on all
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of my things, I just say I don't even bother
to put the tower. I just put I'll meet you
outside Starbucks. That's the most success I've had. But still
it's having to run out of the tower as well,
because they're like, oh, I'm here, and I'm like, I
still have a ten minute walk to reach you because
I have to walk the whole way through the tower.
So yeah, I've done a few mad dashes through.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
There any real in tower romances. This is obviously a
reference to your novels.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So yeah, there are quite a lot of tower romances actually,
but it's mostly the Beefeater's children. So two of my
good friends Eli and Ian, so they are both children
of Beefeaters and they now live together and they are
very happy together. So yeah, a lot of Beefeater's children
have ended up together, which I think is perfect.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
When I actually arrived, one of the Beefeas are coming back.
You went young, brought a lady back with you, and
I was like, no, I don't think I could do that.
He went, Tom, We've got the best chat up line
in London. Use that. And I was in relationships most
of the time I was in the Tower London. But
I've been bringing one girl back on a sort of
imprompted you one night stand. Then obviously in the morning
you wake up at ten to eleven in the morning
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and they're still in there going out, closed from the
night before, and I've got to open the door to
my house and they're met in their stilettos and mini
skirt to three four, five hundred tourists or with photographs,
and it's like the most demeaning walk of shape you
can possibly imagine.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
And it's always then that you see all of the
people that you didn't want to see. So like you
can walk around the tower sometimes and never see anybody.
But there was a time where me and my boyfriend
were supposedly broken up and nobody knew that we'd secretly
got back together. So this was my little like I
sneak you into the tower, and every time we tried it,
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so they all knew that he was my boyfriend and
like they knew him. It wasn't like it was a
one night stand or anything like that. But like every
time I'd be like, I just don't want anyone to
see us, because I don't want that conversation every time
the whole village is there, like outside the door, and
it's not just like oh higher and wave and go,
it's oh higher, how are you? How's your dad? How's this?
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How's that? And it's I don't want anybody to see me.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Lots of people have it just asked are you two dating? Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I Honestly, the questions I get the most are is
tom your boyfriend? Is tom your brother? Even? Got is
Tommy your dad?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah? And I saw that one is Tommy' dad? And
look I am older than Megan.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But yeah, you perhaps biologically it's maybe possible, but you
would never look at you and think that you're my dad.
No ever, never like you. You look about two years older
than me.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, thank you very much. It's very kind, but yeah,
I get that a lot as well. Are you two
sisters or sisters? Sorry? Yeah? Are you do? Brother and sister?
Are you too dating? Or is that your daughter? Yeah?
Oh god, it seems I've reached that age where people
don't ask are you single anymore? They just assume on
someone's dad. Oh well, at least I lived in the
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Tavland and for six years? Did you know that about me?
By the way, that I lived there for six years?
It was pretty cool. Six that's quite a lot of
years I lived there. I mean, not many people do
get to live there as a thing, and I did
live there, and so it's it's I mean, living there
is it's quite specialist that you'd like to Yeah, it's
interesting people like to hear about how I live there
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for six whole years, like three hundred and sixty five
days time six. It's a lot of you know, it's
a lot. It's a long time, isn't it to be
living in such a special place. I must be a
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Home, Sweet Home. Oh hello, you've just caught me reminiscing.
On this episode, we're revisiting my old gaff, the Tower
of London, because I lived there. You see, I used
to live in the Tower of London. I'm not sure
if I've mentioned that before on this podcast. I lived
in the Tower of London for six years. When I
lived in the Tower of London, well, I lived in
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the Tower of London for six years. Did you see
as I lived in the Tower of London for six years?
I mean, I remember, like when I lived in the
Tower of London. I lived in the Tower of London
for six six years. Marbles, mar mar Yeah, it was
pretty marvelous actually, And I'll be honest with you, I've
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been feeling pretty homesick, even though it's not my home anymore.
That's why we're bringing you part two of my chat
with at the time of recording, the current resident, Meghan Clawson.
As well as being Queen of the Castle, Meghan is
also a novelist and TikTok star, and she owns a
very cute dog called Ethel. In our first episode, she
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told stories of prisoners, ghosts, and ravens. This time, you're
going to be hearing more about the day to day stuff,
how to order a pizza to the tower, how to
do your laundry, and drinking. There's an awful lot of drinking.
First things first, though, just like me, Meghan lived at
the tower courtesy of her dad. He's a beefeater. But
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how did he get the job? Well, you have to
have served in the Armed forces for at least twenty
two years, received the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal.
Oh and there's an application process of course.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Originally, when he was actually applying for the job, it
was like, I don't want to say it as a joke,
but it was kind of like, oh hah, now you've
got this medal, the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal,
which is the award that you have to get to
qualify you to be a beefeater. And one of his
friends just he didn't even know this. It was one
of his friends that said, oh, now you can apply
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to be a beefeater, and my dad was like, well,
that's that's a bit weird. I'll have a look into it.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Then he got the interview and he was like, oh,
that's fun. I'll just go and have an interview in
the tower. Of London. That's fine. And then he got
the job and he was like, oh, I'm moving into
the Tower of London and I am now retiring and
I'm a be beter. So wow, Yeah, we're all a
little bit surprised because I think we all thought of
it as just this funny little thing that my dad
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was doing that was just like a bit of a joke.
And then yeah, we got to the tower and it
was like, oh my god, like we are inside this place,
and I think it's it's taken years for it to
actually sink in. I think when I because I obviously
didn't move in straight away, and I'd go to the
tower to do my washing because I lived in student accommodations,
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so local mound. Yeah, that's all of our washing machines
were absolutely terrible, and I didn't want to pay five
pounds just to put on a load of washing, so
I would pack up my suitcase and walk to the
Tower of London, which was a nightmare of the cobbles.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So you were just this random woman coming in and
out of the tower with these washing bags.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Pretty much. That that was how it all started. And
my dad would cook me the most student meal. I'd
ever had in my whole time as a student. So
we'd have like chicken nuggets and chips out of the freezer,
which is perfect. And then I'd have to use Moira Cameron,
who was the first female beefy turch She's an amazing woman. Yeah,
I'd have to use her tumble dryer to dry off
my wash because my dad didn't have one. So yeah,
(03:31):
that was how my relationship with the Tower started. It
was literally just a place to do my laundry venience place.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
How much scandal have you gotten up to in the
Tower yourself?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
There's a story that I will never tell, but you
can't say that.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
You can't be on a podcast all about telling stories
and just say there's a really great story, but I'm
not going to say it. No, just give us the highlights.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
No involved me being incredibly drunk. And there have been
times where the security who work the night shift, they
say they don't see anything. So I'll walk in, don't
tell my dad, and he just goes, don't see anything.
I've never seen anything in my whole time of living here.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I mean, mate, you're chatting to the right person here
in my six years of loom there, Because there's always
there's points where you can come back into the tower
and there's points when you can't. Namely, there's so many
of the keys that happens at quarter to ten you
can't get him sort of the fifty minutes before that
until after ten o'clock and then come midnight is when
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you need to be in the signing out book, which
that was the bane of my life for six years.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I've heard very many stories of that being the bane
of your life.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, I've had a view it. It's like five six
in the morning. You go to wait until they actually
sort of open up the place. And the amount of
times I pull, you know, Walk of Shame all night
as and come back as they're setting up and they've
seen me in some hell of estates or if I
ever had a girl back to the tower, because you've
got to then put them in the signing in book. Yeah,
(05:09):
so they've just got a list of all my all
my relation not that there were loads.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I remember my dad telling me before that every time
he was on watch, it would always be you in
the book, and it would always be you coming back
really late, or you'd ring up like just after midnight
and be like, oh please can you put me in
the book, and obviously, because you are the constable son,
there's absolutely nothing they could do. So if that was me,
I'd get the biggest telling off. My dad would get
(05:35):
the biggest telling off. But it's oh no, it's the
boss's son. There's nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I did get one be feature at one point who went,
you know in the book, not let you in? And
I was like, mate, we literally were drinking in the
pub yesterday. Can you please let me go? No, I'm
going to have to phone the governor. And he rang
the governor up at like three in the morning, and
the governor woke and went just let him in, for
Christ's sake.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
My favorite story is my friend Eli, who her dad
is Abifita as well. She told me a story of
her coming back in and it was about three four
o'clock in the morning and she was very, very drunk,
and that very same night, somebody had tried to jump
the fence to get into the tower. So the whole
guard had been called out, So all of the Queen's
guards at the time had been called down and had
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this this person that was trying to come in up
against the fence with their guns. Basically, so she came
in very drunk. All of these guards had this guy
up against the fence, and she just walked in and went, hello, everybody.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I'm home.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And she just said this to the guard who had yeah,
who had got a suspected very laso hello bomb. So yeah,
so she'd come in and she'd seen them all and
just just waved to them and said, I'm hoping. There's
been many stories I've heard of people. We had a
time that the end of season dinner we have at
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the Four seas And Hotel, which is literally just the
other side of the road, and that is there's unlimited
beefe to gin at those evenings, so a load of
beefeaters and all of the other residents with free beefeater
gin is a recipe for disaster. Knowing as well that
you've only got about one hundred meters to your front door.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Not if your zigzagon, Yeah, and seven hundred to get back.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
There's a story of one year someone having to be
carted back in a wheelchair, covered in their own sick.
So yeah, after I heard all of these stories, I
was like, there is absolutely nothing I can do that
will ever compete with any of these stories. They've seen
a lot on the gate.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
When I first moved in as well, because I lived
in Queen's House at the time now King's House, and
I was a Queen's guard that stands outside my front door. Now,
they hadn't told that's what guy that I was living there.
So he's got a picture of my dad in his box,
so he knows. But I, obviously, in my shorts and trainers,
just look like a bloke walking in. So when I
hopped over a chain fence to go into my house,
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he turned on me and started freeze, get back and
on it. Oh no, you've misunderstood, Please don't shoot me.
It was like petrifying.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
No now because obviously my boyfriend is a guardsman and
I met him doing that. And now now I know
all of the secrets of the guards, and one of
them is obviously they're stood there for hours on end,
so that the highlight of their day shouting at somebody,
as is my dad's highlight of his day. He'll only
come home and he'll only be happy if he's had
to shout someone to get off the grass. So the
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guards are very similar in that way. And I know
that they do this thing that they purposely try to
make you jump when they like stand to attention and
they slap their boots so hard that it echoes around
the whole of the courtyard, and they do that to
try and see how many people they can make jump.
And there have been many times where I've been walking
across just as it's closing and they've done that, and
(08:57):
I've like literally gone, oh, I just look at them,
and now i know I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Like you yeah. And also they must the Queen's Guard
or the King's guard. They must also have so many
stories of marching from point A to B and not
trying to avoid the tourists who get in the way.
We've all seen the videos. They are not gonna move.
They're not gonna be the ones that move, and they
shouldn't do either. I should point out I'm completely on
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the on there on the guard's side. As your boyfriend
ever walked into a child, not.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
A child, I think that's perhaps a little bit too far.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But yeah, kicked over a pram. He did tell me.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
About a time. Because obviously in Windsor Castle, they're like,
they're not fenced, so obviously in the tower they're they're
behind a little fence, and and obviously outside the King's house,
they're quite far away. In Windsor Castle, they're not and
all of the tourists get in the way. And he
always loves this story about the time where this tourist
just kept getting the way while he was marching, so
he just didn't stop and ended up while while he
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was like in the swing of his arm just punched
him in the back of the back in his back.
That's his favorite little story to tell.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
If the toys was deliberately put themselves in the way.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, they get warned first that like all of these
videos are taken from a period of time where like
they've cut all of the pre bit and all that
the afterbit.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So you're telling me that the internet is not the reality,
that what we see is not the whole truth, the
first guy.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And yeah, so it's like all of the ones that
you see at the tower are usually taken either when
they're changing the guard or during the word. And for
like about ten minutes before all of that takes place,
you have all of the beefeaters going around going don't
stand in this place. You'll get ran over, basically, and
there will always be people that will stand in the way,
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and a lot of them want to be run over.
I don't know if it's like a little like thing
that people want to go home from the holidays and say,
oh I got knocked down by a kingsguard.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
No, I think I think they do. I think people
really would want that. Oh God. They normally don't talk
the Queen's Guard, King's guard, but I have had them
ask me a question as I walked past them into
the house a couple of times, And the only question
they've ever asked me is what time is it? Yeah? Yeah,
you go, oh my god, when's I shift over boiling?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
When my boyfriend did it, he he was on booking
Palace and he said, can you send me a text
every ten minutes because I'm gonna have my phone in
my pocket vibrate. Yeah, can you send me a text
every ten minutes so I can tell what time it
is because there are some guards like offices and things
that will go past and we'll troll them.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So the time. Yeah, it's Christmas Day, So if.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
They've been on for an hour and a half, they've
only got half an hour ago.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
The two hours since yeah, yeah, it's a long time.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's the thing to not move to not like in
the heat as well. They've had to put them in
this week because it's been so hot. It's just it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Oh yeah, I imagine.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
But yeah, well I suppose if you've got that kind
of mindset where your mind just wanders. I think a
lot of the guards I've met are a bit like that,
that they just people watch for that amount of time,
so like I'm going to count how many people are
wearing yellow shirt, or I'm just going to watch this
one specific person and see what they do all day. Yeah,
if you ever see a King's guard, the chances of
them judging you is very high. Like they are just
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watching you and watching every little move that you make.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
They have played out multiple different scenarios of things that
happen to you on that day. Just for people who
don't know, there is a secret pub in the Tower
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of London called the Keys Pub. It's the most exclusive
pub in London. Yes, I am quoting multiple Beef features
who have told me this. Well, they just dressed me
down and tell me how lucky as well. I don't
know if it had changed by the time you arrived,
but back when I arrived, it was like one pound
twenty five a pint.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
No, it's a little bit more, a little bit more expensive.
I think it's the second cheapest behind Chelsea Pensioners.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Behind Weatherspoons. It's an amazing pub. It's got two sections.
Three of you include the bar, but then one side
is the formal side where you need to have a
jacket and tie, and it's lots of very invited guests
and there's lots of memorabilia on the walls. And then
there's the more relaxed side where you normally go in
and it's lots of BEVs off duty and more often
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than not about five or six dogs just walking around. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, they actually call that side it's named the Little Ease,
which I think is quite funny, which is a torture device,
which is a room that's so small that you can't
sit up straight in it, but you can't lay down either,
So it's that kind of the torture is it's just
you can't ever become ball. So that side of the
bar is called the Little Ease after this torture device,
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because yeah, it's quite small and very snug, so it
is a snug in the bar. But yeah, so that's
the residence side where you can come in your jeans
and your T shirt and yeah, the dogs got to
a point where there were too many dogs, so they
were banned for a while, which banned. Yeah, but Ethel
worms her way in there. I think she she just
gives everybody a look and she's like, this is my
(14:25):
favorite place to be, Like, we cannot walk past the
bar without her walking in it.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So she's because there's about there's about what thirty dogs
that live inside the town of us.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, there's a whole other community of dogs within the tower,
which is very interesting. Have you heard of Churchill's brick
in the bar? So I've been meaning to make a
video on this. So there is a just a brick
inside the bar that has a little plaque on it
that says Churchill's brick, And the story goes that, apparently
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that's where Churchill would stub out his like his cigars, right,
But then we realized we don't think Churchill ever actually
came into the bar, and the brick actually has no
relation whatsoever to Winston Churchill himself. But the story just
got so far it was clearly a beefy to got
really drunk one night. Remember when Churchill used to come
(15:21):
in and stick his cigars in that in that brick,
But no, that's never happened. But there is still a
brick in the Keys Pub with a plaque on it
that says Churchill's brick.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
History is not about accuracy, It's about the stories we tell,
the imagination.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, and what that shows of all of us throughout
history that we've We've always liked a little bit of embellishment.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, yeah, of course, of course the Keys holds loads
of different events there. We watched the World Cup final.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
There, we did.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Indeed, you're very kind you have. I stood at the
back and I haven't got a seat and you came
and seen a seat. I'm very grateful for you for that.
Watching that with a bunch of military guys who have
serious about their football. Christ, that was a moment.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah. But the thing I like the most about watching
anything sporty in the Keys is you will always get
a great national anthem beforehand.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
They do it with eon stands up. They all get
it together. It's really well done.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
We take it very very serious in the Tower, which
I think is probably comes with the job. But yeah,
so it's great. It's great fun. You feel like you're
in the stadium at that point you've got all of
these loud, booming voices really lovely.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, even on New year because in a few New
Year's parties where they have that in the keys and
then everyone goes onto the wharf, onto the commles to
look at the fireworks. What an amazing atmosphere is.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
That's it's incredible. It's honestly, it's one of those things
that I will be sixty years old in the pub
going remember that time I was in the Tower of
London for New Year's even then the fireworks and all this,
and then never want to be going. Okay, man, time
to go back to the care home. Now.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I remember when I got told by my dad, oh,
you know you're going to now be living in the Tower.
I'm living in the Tower of London. And you do
have this sort of image. You've heard of it obviously,
and you might have visited once. I don't think i'd
even visited, and I think I went ice skating there
once or something. But I was more interested on the
date I was on rather than the actual history, because
that's the person I was in my early twenties. But
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then when you walk in and then you start hearing
about the history, and you start connecting all the different
towers and the places, and you realize, actually, what a
sort of store wault of our nation's identity and history
the place actually is. And then it does slowly sink in, Oh, wow,
this is actually so special, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And I think it definitely took me years, and it
took me I don't know. Maybe it wasn't until I
started the TikTok stuff that it really gave because obviously
I was so appreciative just for the fact that I
was living in central London, like for somebody like me,
I came from a humble, working class background in Lincolnshire.
To then be living in a castle or just living
(18:03):
full stop in central London was completely out of the
question for me, even just two months before we moved in.
So yeah, But then it wasn't really until I started
learning more about the history and my dad would come
home and tell me things, and he would say, oh,
look those doors over there were opened by he May eighth,
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and like little things like that, and it makes you
feel so terribly small, but also in the most brilliant
way possible, like you feel like you're just so like
you are nothing in the world compared to the history,
but also the fact that you are just this tiny
speck of dust in such a long line of so
(18:45):
many great, big moments. It's amazing. And that was why
I started learning the history of it, because I thought,
this is such, like, this is the epicenter of British
culture and British history, and I'm a nobody, Like I
feel like I owe it to the tower itself to
at least learn about it and learn about the place
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that I'm living, and that the place that I am
squatting in essentially, And yeah, so that's that's why I
really wanted to learn the history, because I just wanted
to give back in the only way that I possibly could,
and that was to have an appreciation of how lucky
I am and how amazing this is. So yeah, I
think that that's definitely something that I wanted to give
(19:27):
back with. Yeah, and hopefully hopefully that comes across in Tiktoks.
But totally as soon as I leave, I'll be like,
I lived in a castle. Did you know? I lived
in a castle? So that'll be that it will become
even more my whole personality at that point.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So, yes, when you leave, are you still going to
carry on the sort of sequence of royal or military
themed novels.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Or I've always been a massive geek about historical places anyway,
so I was thinking I might branch out to more
National Trustee places, like I spent my seventeenth birthday at
Chatsworth House, so yeah, always been a massive nerd for
stuff like that. So yeah, branching out. And I think
the more I've leant into kind of the military side
of stuff, the more I've really enjoyed military history as well,
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and people have enjoyed learning about it too.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
So that's good. And I think that's what we were
just saying. Like, but when I left the tower, and
because I was like some of you, I'd sort of
built up this, oh I'm the London guy, and I
was like, oh god, I'm no longer the Tower of
London Night. But I think you do realize that firstly,
that never leaves you. You've always got that Oh I
did live there, But I think in your career you
(20:36):
do want to then expand I can't just focus on
one place. So it's actually I think actually the danger
would be staying there too long and becoming repetitive. So
I think actually it's a blessing in disguise. Historically, it's
very rare for a woman to enter the tower then
leave with her head how high, with more confidence. Normally
they're just head on the floor and dead.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
This is what people have been saying to me about
potentially leaving. They're like, well, at least you'll get to
leave your head.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Well, we can't say for sure yet, let's.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Hope we'll see. Might accidentally slip a few crown jewels
in my handbag on the way out, and that would
be it. That'd be the end of me.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Well, before making leaves this episode, with or without her head,
she's got a lot to answer for. And by that,
I mean you listeners wrote in and asked questions, and
we're going to answer them. Is there a kitchen or
does one only bring in food? I like how they've
done that in the old the English? Does one only
bring in food?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
We have kitchens because that's another thing everybody thinks we
just live in a dungeon. Yeah, and like that there
is running water, we don't have to go down to
the well and get get it out of the well.
But yeah, no, it just I don't use my kitchen
very often because I'm a terrible.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Cook, but we both have fallen foul of the trying
to order a pizza.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
That's another These these are real first world problems, but
even beyond first world problem. Yeah, yeah, trying to order
a pizza to the Tower of London is a whole obstacle.
So it does make you eat a little bit better. Yes,
you get a workout chasing a delivery driver across Tower Hill,
that's for sure. I have to order it to the Starbucks, right,
(22:16):
So it's at the point where it's easier for a
delivery driver to find a single Starbucks among thousands in
London than it is to find the Tower of London.
I once had a guy ring me up and say
which building is it? And I was like, it's the
Tower of London, like the tower in the middle of London,
and yeah, got very confused. And so now on all
(22:38):
of my things, I just say I don't even bother
to put the tower. I just put I'll meet you
outside Starbucks. That's the most success I've had. But still
it's having to run out of the tower as well,
because they're like, oh, I'm here, and I'm like, I
still have a ten minute walk to reach you because
I have to walk the whole way through the tower.
So yeah, I've done a few mad dashes through.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
There any real in tower romances. This is obviously a
reference to your novels.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So yeah, there are quite a lot of tower romances actually,
but it's mostly the Beefeater's children. So two of my
good friends Eli and Ian, so they are both children
of Beefeaters and they now live together and they are
very happy together. So yeah, a lot of Beefeater's children
have ended up together, which I think is perfect.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
When I actually arrived, one of the Beefeas are coming back.
You went young, brought a lady back with you, and
I was like, no, I don't think I could do that.
He went, Tom, We've got the best chat up line
in London. Use that. And I was in relationships most
of the time I was in the Tower London. But
I've been bringing one girl back on a sort of
imprompted you one night stand. Then obviously in the morning
you wake up at ten to eleven in the morning
(23:44):
and they're still in there going out, closed from the
night before, and I've got to open the door to
my house and they're met in their stilettos and mini
skirt to three four, five hundred tourists or with photographs,
and it's like the most demeaning walk of shape you
can possibly imagine.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
And it's always then that you see all of the
people that you didn't want to see. So like you
can walk around the tower sometimes and never see anybody.
But there was a time where me and my boyfriend
were supposedly broken up and nobody knew that we'd secretly
got back together. So this was my little like I
sneak you into the tower, and every time we tried it,
(24:21):
so they all knew that he was my boyfriend and
like they knew him. It wasn't like it was a
one night stand or anything like that. But like every
time I'd be like, I just don't want anyone to
see us, because I don't want that conversation every time
the whole village is there, like outside the door, and
it's not just like oh higher and wave and go,
it's oh higher, how are you? How's your dad? How's this?
(24:42):
How's that? And it's I don't want anybody to see me.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Lots of people have it just asked are you two dating? Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I Honestly, the questions I get the most are is
tom your boyfriend? Is tom your brother? Even? Got is
Tommy your dad?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah? And I saw that one is Tommy' dad? And
look I am older than Megan.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But yeah, you perhaps biologically it's maybe possible, but you
would never look at you and think that you're my dad.
No ever, never like you. You look about two years older
than me.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, thank you very much. It's very kind, but yeah,
I get that a lot as well. Are you two
sisters or sisters? Sorry? Yeah? Are you do? Brother and sister?
Are you too dating? Or is that your daughter? Yeah?
Oh god, it seems I've reached that age where people
don't ask are you single anymore? They just assume on
someone's dad. Oh well, at least I lived in the
(25:38):
Tavland and for six years? Did you know that about me?
By the way, that I lived there for six years?
It was pretty cool. Six that's quite a lot of
years I lived there. I mean, not many people do
get to live there as a thing, and I did
live there, and so it's it's I mean, living there
is it's quite specialist that you'd like to Yeah, it's
interesting people like to hear about how I live there
(25:59):
for six whole years, like three hundred and sixty five
days time six. It's a lot of you know, it's
a lot. It's a long time, isn't it to be
living in such a special place. I must be a
special person who Thanks for listening to Bad Manners. If
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Bad Manners that we could feature in future episodes. This
podcast was produced by Atamei Studios for iHeartRadio. It was
hosted by me Tom Horton. It was produced by William Lensky,
Rebecca Rappaport, and Chris Ataway. It was executive produced by
(26:40):
Face Steur and Zad Rogers. Our production manager is Caitlin
Paramore and our production coordinator is Bellasolini.
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