June 21, 2023 • 66 mins
On this episode of the Bear Grease Render, Clay Newcomb is joined by the usual suspects - Brent Reaves, Misty Newcomb, Josh “Landbridge” Spielmaker - as well as new render guest Andrew Scott Wills, Nashville songwriter and creative force behind Hawken Horse. The crew starts off talking about Andrew’s interest in the American frontier and Mountain as well as what it’s like to be a professional songwriter before he plays a live rendition of “The Ballad of Warner Glenn” a song written by Clay and recorded by Hawken Horse. Afterwards the crew dives into the second edition of the Bear Grease Pop Quiz where they discuss topics like David Crockett’s political nickname, his near death experience in Alabama, and other topics from last week’s episode on Davy. You’ll want to stick around to hear what song the crew closes the show out with. We really doubt you’re gonna want to miss this one…
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of
the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where
we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes
of the actual bear Grease podcast. Presented by f h
F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear
(00:35):
that's designed to be as rugged as the place as
we explore.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
On my shoulder, it's a flint lock.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well, I would say that we have our first guests
on the Bear Grease Render or podcast that is wearing buckskins.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, this has been very, very stylish, So we have
a very special guest with us today.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We have we have most of the regular crew here.
We have Misty new Comb. Let me introduce and I'll
introduce our guests. We have Misty new Coom here, we
have Josh Lambridge, everyone, Brent Breeves of this country life podcast. Yo,
who Misty. I've learned that Josh and Brent have a
secret friendship outside of the render going on. They've been
fishing together all day and.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Came and stayed with me last night.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
We went and they didn't and you weren't even invited.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Even bigger deal, I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
You tell all your little secret and even made made
banana bread for us.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It was so, when's the last time me and Misty
banana bread in a while.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Actually, it takes pretty good care of me.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
She's a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So so we have we have the regular crew. And
I want to say to Gary Believer new Coomb has been.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
God rest, he.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Is alive and well.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
He is fine. Dad had he had both his knees replaced.
That's why I hadn't been You didn't know that, No,
we used to be friends before you start hanging out
with Brenton.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I knew it.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, Dad had both his knees replaced in early May,
and so he's been out, but he's going to come
back bigger than ever.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So that's where Dad has been. But our special guest
is Andrew Willis from Tennessee, Vegas.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Excuse me, but can Brent please give a proper intro
to Andrew.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
And Andrew's wearing a very I would say, comfortable, yet
sturdy pair of lace up leather boots, some dungarees, the
folks might say.
Speaker 8 (02:56):
And a very festive and fast the buckskin shirt with
tassels and fringe. Yeah, yeah, what you call them? French
like that?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Very nice overtopping, which is just his normal attire every day.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
That's not untrue, as my wife.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, so uh so Andrew and I we've probably known
each other for maybe a year or so. And Andrew
is the guy that recorded and helped helped me write
parts of the Ballad of Warner Glenn. Yeah, so you
can just that's true. So the story was is that
(03:49):
I think Andrew, you had sent an email out to
me about your brand and band called Hawking Horse and
you were coming out an albums. What was the album's name?
Speaker 9 (04:02):
He was self titled Hawk and Horse was the name
of the album. And it's a project that I took
on to really kind of capture the front tier spirit
and and I had a couple of people say you
need to send that to Clay Nukelem. So I started
digging and I was like, whoa, what's a Clay Nukem. Yeah,
(04:26):
well I heard I heard the Daniel Boone series when
I was driving the Wisconsin during deer season, and I
was like, what this guy gets it. So that's what
I was inspired to send, you know, my album over.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, and so the album is it's about the American West. Yeah,
you have a song Jeremiah Johnson. You have, what are
some of the other songs about.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
They're about fur trappers, they're about mountain men. Very inspired
by the movie Jeremiah Johnson. Yeah, inspired by you know,
the Last of the Mohicans, but also like books and
and a famous frontiersman like Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett. I
just put out another album called Long Hunter, and it's
(05:14):
all inspired by the Kentucky Tennessee Frontier of the late
seventeen hundreds and frontiersman like Daniel Boone and Simon Kenton
and uh, a lot of those characters.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And you know, amazing stories from that era.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So but in Nashville, Yeah, the reason you live in
Nashville is because you're a songwriters.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Tell us about that. Yeah, so I had wait, let
me say, hold on, there could be a few things
that you could have been that would be more interesting
to me.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Number one, commercial fisherman on the Mississippi River.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Especially like that infatuated with it, right, that would be.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Slight any more interesting interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Number two, okay, just commercial fisherman, that would be the
only thing. Second on the list would be a Nashville songwriter. Yeah,
so tell me, like, how do you be a n
Ashvial songwriter? And how do you make money? And yeah
and yeah, so I music. How much money do you have?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Not a lot worse.
Speaker 9 (06:26):
I just I'm literally on the drive out here, I
realized either my wife or my daughter took the cash
out of my wallet. So not much. But uh, yeah,
I I love music. I always loved music. I grew
up with music.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Guitar.
Speaker 9 (06:43):
I picked up a guitar about fifteen and just taught
myself how to play. And my first instinct was to
write a song. I wasn't like listening to the radio
going all right, how do I play one headlight?
Speaker 6 (06:56):
I was.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I was wanting to write a song.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Exactly how old, exactly I've.
Speaker 9 (07:01):
Exposed myself, but I wanted to write songs.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And that's immediately what I started to do.
Speaker 9 (07:09):
And so it was around that time that my son
was born, who has some special needs, and we were
kind of going through a part of my life where
we're like, what are we.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Going to do?
Speaker 9 (07:22):
And I was like, I'm going to have to stay
home with him right now because he's so bad and
he's he can't go to school or anything right now.
So I was like, I guess I'm going to start
doing this songwriting thing, because I was I had been
in the outdoor industry before. I worked within the backpacking industry,
and I was a buyer, so I had a very
(07:43):
practical I was using my business management degree and I
was like doing this. And then suddenly I was like,
I guess I'm going to start writing these songs. And
within six months of me starting this, I want a contest.
And then I got a co write with Andy Griggs,
who was a nineties, late nineties, early two thousands country singer. Yeah,
(08:09):
he had a couple pretty big hits like you Won't
Ever Be Lonely and if Heaven and some other he
was right at late nineties, and uh, anyway, he's a big,
big hunter, big hunter, and uh anyway, I got the
opportunity to write with him, and he was he was
a he's a riot. I mean, he is hilarious. But
(08:33):
I got my first radio single with him, and it
was just a small market thing and it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
He tell us the song do you oh yeah, yeah,
it's it's called kind of like asking a cattle farmer
how many cows he has?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
You?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Hear? I got a natural songwriter. Go, yeah, I had
a song on the radio, and you go, what was it?
And then he's like, yeah, yeah, you know you may
have heard it song we've never.
Speaker 9 (09:00):
We're like, oh, okay, okay, yeah, no, this is a
song you've probably never heard of.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But it's called Can't I Get An Amen?
Speaker 9 (09:08):
And he he put that out and it was you know,
and I made hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It was amazing.
Speaker 9 (09:19):
But but I got I got hooked. I got hooked.
And so not long after that, I my wife's job.
She was kind of getting over it, and I was like,
we could go to Nashville, and so we were in
southeast Ohio at the time and backpacking Mecca yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, right, backpack and turkey poaching Mecca y yeah.
Speaker 9 (09:49):
Actually on that that that podcast about the turkey poaching
really hit home because I literally had my AC units
stolen off.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The side of my house.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Are you serious?
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Oh yeah, same area, Pat, Yeah, yeah, but uh we
So we moved down and I had already built.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So your your wife had a job where she could
work correct anywhere, and and you were like, hey, we
can move to Nashville. Yeah, You're like, I'm a famous songwriter,
now this sounds like something I would do totally.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I'm just thinking about your wife must just be a person.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
She's a lot better than me.
Speaker 9 (10:32):
But she was extremely supportive and so we were like,
let's do it. And my my son, I think was
like six and my daughter was two, and we're like,
let's go for it. This is a good time to
do it. So we moved down and I instantly started,
you know, expanding my network and writing with, you know,
(10:53):
notching up on who I was writing with, and learning
a lot because I was, I figured out real quickly
at how green I was, and there was a lot
to learn. And I'm very very blessed. I had some
like incredible mentors who wrote some incredible songs.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And name drop, we want to hear him, Okay.
Speaker 9 (11:17):
One of my favorite mentors early on was Craig Bickheart,
who he had some some hits back in the eighties,
like in between Dances for who was that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Pam Tillis or something.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Okay, and then we're back to mister era.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (11:35):
But then he was part of a band called s
KB it used to be SKO and they had like
There's No Easy Horses and they were on tour with
Alabama back in the late eighties. But he is a
fantastic songwriter and I learned a whole lot from him.
But then Rivers Rutherford, who is a legend. I mean
(11:58):
he he wrote like when I get where I'm going,
he wrote, you know, huge Brooks and Dune songs. I
can't remember everybody else's songs, but I could barely my own.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
A real good Man.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yes, you're done, Yes, Tim girrawl, Real good Man.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So when you're a songwriter, yeah, okay, describe to me. Okay,
so your family's moved to Nashville and you're being mentored
and you're you're actually in that world. Yeah, get getting
paid to write songs. Tell me how the song world works,
because now you're because you're hawking Horse is kind of
(12:39):
like this personal thing that you do. Correct Your songwriting
is much different than that because you're writing stuff not
about frontiersman. You're like working, and I guess the goal
would be to write some number one song that's on
the radio, exactly right, I mean that's the goal of it,
I guess every songwriter.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
In twenty fifteen, I signed with Sony and my calendar
was like booked out three months in advance, so I
knew like.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Where I was going to be.
Speaker 9 (13:08):
Every day, you know what publishing company who I was
writing with.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
A publishing company would say we need a song, so
we need a songwriter, and you would just be like
a talent they would bring in and they would say, today,
we're going to write a song about horses.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, you're like okay, I mean really it was on me.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
I had we have what's called a hook book, and
he's it's an idea we write down.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Oh I want to write a song, so you have
your own hookbook.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I am taking note of all this because I have
three big plans in my life. Number one to become
a commercial fisherman. Number two to be a stand up comedian.
Number three to be a Nashville songwriter. Of all those things,
I am closest to being a songwriter.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Right absolutely. I mean technically you're in.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Are you going to move to Nashville?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I mean, whatever it takes, I guess. Okay, maybe maybe
now with the internet, you could be a Nashville songwriter
and just stay at home.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Did you notice that Missy said? Are you will?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I kind of like, okay, so so you're you have
a hook book? So correct come you come to the
table with some ideas, But how did they know what
kind of songs you're wanting to write or how do
you know what they want?
Speaker 9 (14:35):
Well, it used to be in the eighties and nineties,
three two three songwriters would get together and they would
throw out ideas, throw it out. You know, I've got
this idea about a pickup truck. And then you throw out.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
The ideas and and then you go, oh, no, that sucks.
How about this?
Speaker 9 (14:53):
And you you know, you might be throwing you might
be thrown out ideas for half a day. In some cases,
it's it depends who you're writing with. Nowadays you're sitting
down with an artist and so maybe they're trying to
put a certain topic on an album they're working on,
where they're I need something up tempo or I need
(15:15):
so there's a little more unknown pressure. It used to
be just going and write the best song that's in
the room that day. Now it's I'm very topical. Yeah,
your target a target exactly. So it's maybe a little
less inspirational to start.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But but Rivers.
Speaker 9 (15:34):
Rutherford, he always told me, don't write when you're inspired,
write until you're inspired. Oh, get in there, dig in
and you don't quit until you get it.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So I's gonna be locking himself.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I'm taking notes, taking notes over here.
Speaker 9 (15:53):
Yeah, I mean there's yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
To hear the backstory of Feed Jake. You know that dog?
That that song about the dog? Yeah, from the I
think that was early nineties.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
It's not really sad.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
He's been a good friend right through it all. If
I die before I wake, feed Jake. I think about
it every day whenever I'm out of town, and I'm
wondering if my chickens.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Are going to be alive when I come home. Reverse
Feed Jake.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
But anyway, I just am curious how that one came about.
That's all I could think about.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
When you would have liked that old Tom T Howst
a song about who's going to feed them hogs?
Speaker 6 (16:38):
You never heard that? How it go?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
How's it go?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Is?
Speaker 8 (16:41):
It's about I'm trying to remember the the the way
it goes, the verse. But he's so this guy is
sick and he's laid up in the in the bed
and in the hospital bed, and all he can talk about.
Tom T says, all he can talk about is who's
going to feed them? I understand it is great man.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
If you could sing, you would probably have like the ultimate.
It's like, yeah, I mean you you know.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Are we assuming that? Brent Canton?
Speaker 6 (17:12):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Brent Cantson, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I don't believe.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I think.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So now your beat? You're you're living in Nashville. Do
you have to live in Nashville to be a songwriter?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You kind of do?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Okay, asking for a friend, you kind of do.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I tried for a while not to live there.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
Okay, but you can't. You can't avoid it. You gotta
be pressient.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Way collaboration and creativity really flows when you're like I
to die with people.
Speaker 9 (17:42):
One of my first champions in that town, Alex Torres,
he uh he told me. I remember calling him up
and I hadn't moved there yet, and I was really like,
should I uproot my family and move down to Nashville?
And I called him and I was like, hey, you know,
should I Should I do this? And he just deadpan,
(18:06):
he was like, if you have to ask the answers, No,
You'll only come here if you've got to come here,
And and that hit me.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I was like, pack the bags. Conviction.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, so yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Is it true. Okay, maybe maybe I heard I don't
know where I heard this, but like when you go
to Nashville and you go to a restaurant and someone
waits on your table and they're like a twenty something person,
there's a pretty good chance that they are in Nashville
trying to make it in the music scene somewhere.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I would say that's very active.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I mean, it's like a it's like a mecca for
people to show up and a lot of people, I mean,
the vast majority of people would go there and have
their dreams crushed.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Absolutely.
Speaker 10 (18:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it kind of makes it
a if you're like Chris Stapleton or whoever, it kind
of makes it a pain to go out to eat
because everybody's trying to sneak a CD and your sandwich
or thumb drive dumb.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Stapleton was that guy, Absolutely that he was. Man, it's
like the lottery, like you know the lottery. Absolutely, they
let some people win, and so it gives all the
people that don't win inspiration that they're gonna win the
next time.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I don't know who's controlling this, but uh sounds like
a rigged system.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
The best analysis is.
Speaker 9 (19:38):
It's kind of like baseball, and there's like the minor leagues,
is like most of most of the songwriters, and then
and then somebody gets called up, you know, And.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Is it always the best guy for real?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, there's tons of ridiculously talented people out there who
will never be found.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, well sounds it like a coon hunt, Brent.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
The best dog don't always win. It's the guy that
knows the.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Rules mm hmm, or gets lucky.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Will didn't win. Willie Nelson couldn't make it in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Home he went. He went down to Texas and became
Willie Nelson.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
He's true.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
He wrote crazy.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
He wrote crazy like a mile from my house in
a building that's not even there anymore in Goodletsville, and
he he gave up and headed down there and became.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Yeah, Willy, he did all right, the beheaded Stranger.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So I won't put these words in your mouth, but
you were, like, all write songs every single day?
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Is that true?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
So?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I mean you just like like you just.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Crank them out. Are you talking about lyrics and music?
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Which comes first?
Speaker 9 (20:53):
It depends on the day really for me, For me,
the lyrics are the most important part especially being in Nashville.
It's a it's a song town, and so historically.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Wait a minute, what's the other kind of town.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, that's more of a like to me, La is
more of a beat town.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Like it's I do best.
Speaker 9 (21:20):
You never struggle with words, So Nashville is your town. Okay, okay, yeah,
it's to me, lyrics are usually first because it's the idea.
But every once in a while somebody comes in with
a cool lick and you're like, oh, let's write.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Something like that.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
So sometimes it's the other way.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
But I'll tell you what gets me about lyrics. You
don't you can't speak Spanish, Buy a chance? Can that gumt?
Listen to songs in English rhyme versus a rhyme. Listen
(21:59):
to a song in Spanish. I can't find two words
in it. It sounded like when you get to the
end of a beat, when it's when it's supposed to
rhyme with the sentence before.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
I can't find anything.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
You have you explored this a lot? I have asked
everybody I know songs rhyme.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Let's just go Selena's bitty bitty bumba.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
I don't know about that at all. Bumba.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
We may have gotten off track.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
How many songwriters do we get in here?
Speaker 6 (22:32):
We've had you.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Have one in your presence all the time.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Okay, how many real songwriters do we have? Every time?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Original songs? Somebody?
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Have you made? Have you made dolls?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's like a form letter, the ballad of filling the plank?
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah, Josh about this?
Speaker 6 (22:56):
It works?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
How many fans written that? A start off with the
ballad of How many songs do you think you've written?
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Andrew?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Definitely over a thousand? Wow, Lord, probably fourteen?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
You write every day? You're writing a song every day? Yeah,
all right.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Do you have like a goal, like I'm going to
complete a song today?
Speaker 9 (23:23):
I yeah, I almost always, Like I usually get five
songs a week.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Really, yeah, a contract with somebody to do that?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, I mean I have been.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
I'm I've written for three different companies and it's and
it's funny because they're the contract says you need to
turn in twelve one hundred percent songs or thirty six
third percent you know, songs per year.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
But if you're only doing that, you're not in the game.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
So really, everybody's just writing four or five days a week,
cranking them out Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And so you write a bunch of songs that never
see the light of day anywhere. Absolutely, So it's just
they're just trying to funnel through as much and they'll
one will ping with an artist. So you're writing songs
for some of these country artists that are trying to
make it into the mainstream, which, like I mean, I'm
(24:23):
speculating here, but you're not necessarily trying. You're not trying
to be like a country music star.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I am not.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
You would be if they asked you, But that's not
like the that's you're a songwriter.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah I am. That's what I'm passionate about.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
It is the writing.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And so a home run for you would be for
Luke Comb's or somebody to pick to somehow hear one
of your songs and be like I want to record that, absolutely,
and that would be like massive.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
That might actually be like a world series.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
That would be the worst.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Yeah, I mean that would be the world series right absolutely?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, yeah, I Uh, it's funny.
Speaker 9 (25:02):
It's I was telling somebody the other day, you write,
say you write a thousand songs, five songs will make
you ninety nine percent of your money you make in
your whole career like woa.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Wow, it's so that's like gold mining.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, it is kind of prospective.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Is that the law of averages? Like if I write
enough songs, surely one of them is gonna be a hit.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:23):
And that's the funny thing is just because those other
nine hundred and ninety five make sure I'm doing my
math right.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Songs, that doesn't mean they're not hits. That's what's funny.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
They just didn't get the shot.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
Yeah, or they haven't got There's just a lot of
songs in that town.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And then there's back catalog.
Speaker 9 (25:41):
I mean, for goodness sakes, if you're like say Jason
Aldean and you're looking for songs, yeah, you're looking at
new stuff. But what if there's like this old Whalen
song that was never cut?
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Oh yeah, well that would be pretty cool.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
So there's there's literally decades of back catalog in that
town that are amazing. Tom t Hall songs or Don Williams,
it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Who has access to the hook book? I'd kind of
like to hear about the other side of it. So
you're supplying who where does the demand come from?
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Well? The artist?
Speaker 9 (26:18):
So who like say it's like Monday, and I look
at my calendar and it's like, all right, I am
writing with this artist. Say, I'm like my buddy Tristan Morez.
He's a Texas country artist, and I'm like, okay, he
usually writes.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
This kind of stuff.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
So I'll I'll be thinking, oh, what, what's a good
idea for Tristan? Because I have him coming up on
my books next week. So then we'll go in and
I'll throw out some ideas and he might have one.
The dream is for the artist to walk in with
an idea, because you know they're already into it, right,
So as a songwriter, you're like, please let them be
(26:54):
excited about something. So because now otherwise I got to
sell an idea that I have and just hope it
connects with them.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So well, I want to hear you play the Ballad
of Warner Glenn. Yeah, man, so this song. So we
didn't really finish our full introduction, but Andrew wrote me
about this out Hawking Horse album that was coming out
about the Frontiersman in the West, the Fur Trappers, and
he seemed like a cool guy, and that's right when
(27:24):
I had had this Ballad of Warner Glenn, like mostly finished,
but I said, hey, would you take this song and
do whatever you want to it, but record it for
me professionally? And he was like absolutely, And it just
felt like it was right up his alley to do it.
(27:46):
And uh and and and he helped me become a
registered songwriter. Well what organization, Uh, you're with ascap ass
cap Yeah, yep, yep, it's official all right. So if
for people who haven't maybe maybe hadn't been following along,
We did a big series on Warner Glenn. Warner Glenn
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is now eighty seven years old. He lives in Southeast Arizona.
We did a video project with Warner. He's an incredible
man and I've spent some time with him on a
couple different trips. And came back from Southeast Arizona and
was inspired to write a ballad about Warner Glenn. And
then it turned over to Andrew and and he helped
(28:30):
me with some of the some of the lyrics and
the chorus mainly, and put just put some magic on it.
So sing it for us, man, I.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
Didn't have to change too much. The lyrics were pretty fantastic.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, they were pretty fantastic. Andrews said, you should see
him have a bulldozer.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Way down south on the border of.
Speaker 11 (29:07):
Mexico with rattlesnakes, cactus and bandiedos, dirt and spurs, Feed
the hounds and let.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Them go.
Speaker 11 (29:21):
As a boy Marvin Toddham with big charms, rude and
open country where the jaguars wrong, Open country full of
a different kind of gold.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Sixteen hand mules saddled up to four. The song glows.
Speaker 11 (29:49):
Nobody told them this wretched life is a hard road,
hiding rising sun behind the cheery cow was O.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
He's mounted in mood and for an all.
Speaker 11 (30:04):
Their mule backstroke in open country where the jaguars rong,
open country full of a different kind of gold. The
lion track in the dirt seven miles in. But where'd
he go? Got a pack of wide walkers that are
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philosopher's like through working cross the dirt like the farm
and works his rose up the canyon around the rock.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Chasing the ghost of a shadow.
Speaker 11 (30:41):
Through open country where the jaguars rong, open country full
of a different kind of gold.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Open country will be lost.
Speaker 11 (30:56):
No one knows, but this ould countries where the jiguire
roams the lonely catch him if he crosses the plateau,
chasing him over the rim rocks and old hook basing man.
(31:19):
Hope it's no lion. He seeks a little wildness. You
can control who I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's Worn and Glen and it's mum chummo.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Exce e.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Oh man, man, Yeah, how did that feel here just
watching him?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
That's really cool? Yeah, really cool man. That sounds good.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
He's really good.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah. Yeah. So that song, if somebody didn't have any context,
it possibly could be confusing. Warner Glenn is a mountain lion,
dry ground mountain lion hunter, and that's why there's you know,
there's if you If you know about Warner Glenn, this
song makes a lot of sense. Marvin is his dad,
(32:38):
who's long passed away. But Marvin todt him where the
big Tom's rove. That's in the beginning. He lives in
the Chirikawa Mountains. Warner Glenn owns I'm pretty sure seventeen mules,
and hardly one of them is under sixteen hands tall,
which is really tall for a mule. Warner Glenn's sixty six.
He needs a big muley.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
He uh he.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
He runs a pack of mixed walker dogs and my
favorite line in there is He's got a pack of
white walkers that are philosophers like throw because these dogs
are at the pinnacle of the hound hunting world for
their ability to trail game, because it's the toughest conditions
there is for trailing game, which is dry and hot,
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and so they're chasing the ghost of a shadow, which
is cool. And then so the chorus talks about jaguars though,
and that part of the world is the only place
in America where the range of the jaguar goes into America.
(33:43):
And if you watched our film on the Media YouTube channel,
you would see that Warner Glenn was the first person
to ever document a live jaguar in America his dogs,
and I believe it was nineteen ninety six, and then
he did it again in the two thousands. He was
lying hunting for mountain lions, which are a lot of
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mountain lions out there, and his dogs bade what he
thought was a mountain lion, and he goes into the
dogs and it's a jaguar, and he has this camera
with him and he takes a photograph and it's the
first photograph ever of a jaguar not dead. Now there's
a bunch of old photos of dead jaguars. The first
first time they're like, yep, there's a live jaguar. And
(34:26):
it was before trail cameras were real prominent and such,
and yeah, there's a painting right there. You can buy
that painting. I'm pretty sure the last name of that
painter is McWilliams. But this I've got, I've got the
jaguar that de las Delos.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
That's what it says on the paint, not McWilliams, yea
delos And you.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Can he's that's the guy you both paint from.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, McWilliams paint yeah, down in southeast Arizona. But so
when you're in that country, though, it's it's like jaguar country,
and that's kind of the lore. And Warner Glenn's eighty
seven and he's seen two, you know, and most people
have lived there their whole lives and seen zero. His
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dad always wanted to see a jaguar and never did.
His dad, Marvin, never cause a jaguar. Oh yeah, that's
incredibly rare. And so that's why the chorus talks about jaguars.
But the but the main thing is is, uh is
there They're lion hunting, and then he had a mule.
I had to pick a mule name because he in
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his book, Warner Glenn has a book, and in his book, Uh,
he was given a mule name Muchomo from a rich,
wealthy Mexican rancher who he and his dad went down
into Mexico to catch lions off this ranch that were
pread that, you know, catching cattle and horse cults and stuff.
(35:52):
And the man liked Warner so much that he gave
him his finest Well, as the story went, I'm pretty
sure this. This wealthy rancher said, Warner, you can have
any one of my horses that you want, some version
of he's. He offered him a horse, and Warner said,
you know what, I really don't want any of your horses,
(36:15):
but I'd like that mule, Machomo. And so the rancher
was like, really you want the mule. B So so
Warner took Mochomo and he became this like incredible mule.
And so that's why I love Warner Glenn. He chose
the mule over the horse.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
How about Banjo?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
What's that?
Speaker 6 (36:38):
How about Benjo? Dude?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
We'll not even go there. Okay, it's not time to
release the information. Let me tell you this, I've been
riding banjo all over these mountains for the last week.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
It's true, and got the offers of ten grand.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Oh next year, should I just be desirous of ling him?
He'll be worth ten grand. He's a fantastic mule. He's
beautiful and he's doing very good. I might even lik
him better than is.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
He Come on out there say that.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, she's kind of a piece of work.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
But anyway, he's the pain.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
That was cool Andrew? So people, where can people find
that song?
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (37:25):
You can find it anywhere you stream music, Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Add it to your playlist. Yeah, guess guess who gets
Guess who gets the money? Me and Andrew There.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
All right, maybe we may may hundreds of the I
will quit.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
Everybody. Everybody media downloaded music, download, download.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
All the time, and I've not seen a paycheck yet.
Tell me not my choice either.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
In the car, it's the only song you've got on
his playlist.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Repeat when mess with that playlist because that comes on first.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
It's like, all.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Right, well, no, for real, you need to go check
out Hawking Horse. Yeah, Hawking Horse, you have a lot
of songs. Yeah, My favorite one is Jeremiah Johnson. I think,
oh yeah, I love that Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, I love that song too.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
I can watch that movie every day and I listen
to that song a bunch of times. It's good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, well I've never seen it.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Something you just don't tell.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, I should have kept that to yourself. Well that's incredible. Well, hey,
but the reason.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Before we get into the can he tell us about
this rifle.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, quickly, because we we've got, we've got there's just
got a lot to do. A beautiful Yeah, tell us
about the rifle.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
Well, this is a forty five caliber Kibbler woods Runner,
and it's there. Jim Kibler is a gun builder out
of Ohio, and he makes these C and C rifle
kits and they go together like legos. I mean, this
(39:20):
is I'm not some amazing woodworker, I you know, I
just put this together. But anyway, this is my new
baby and I plan on taking a deer with it
this year.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
It's a it's a flint lock.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, it's a flint lock.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
So it actually has a rock, a piece of flint
YEP makes the spark that ignites the powder.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
YEP, black powder only wow.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
And it's a would you describe that as a Kentucky
long rifle style gun?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Absolutely it Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is called.
Speaker 9 (39:49):
A woods runner, so it's a little more nimble for
running through the woods.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, and it's a beautiful gun.
Speaker 9 (39:55):
But yeah, it's a Pennsylvania, Kentucky long rifle either one
of those names.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Well so. So on Instagram, Andrew is Hawking Horse and
he posts it's kind of like an educational in a
way channel about the frontier. Like he posts a lot
of art and a lot of pictures and he'll have
information about I mean, like I learned stuff following Talking
(40:21):
Horse on Instagram. Yeah a lot. So, but that's why
he's kind of big into the flint lock and all
this stuff.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
It's actually Hawking horse Band. Some Hawking horse band.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, check it out. Check it out. So the reason
I wanted to have Andrew here today was because we're
talking about Davy Crockett and uh, if you're if you're
new to the podcast. On the Render, we talk about
(41:00):
out what happened the week before on the actual Bear
Grease podcast And guys, guess what. You're all in trouble
because we have another quiz. I we have another quiz
a row the yeah, the last the last quiz seemed
to do it was. I felt like that it helped
(41:23):
me get some energy gain control of my podcast again
because I then know if you guys are paying attention,
because sometimes I'm like, was the podcast last week? And
they are like, oh, it was great, and I'm like,
what was it about? Pop quiz?
Speaker 8 (41:43):
It's what happened on the way home from fishing this
morning to day Me and Josh had you on it.
What was that one?
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, oh, y'all were studying.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
You were spitting out some info Jack like drinking from
a firehood from my ears.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Okay, here we go. The first person to answer, just
blurt it out, blurted out. Even you can even cut
the cut the question in half. Each correct answer gets
a point. Incorrect answer are minus point five. Incorrect answers
get that point. Who wins gets the rifle?
Speaker 8 (42:27):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Question number one, how quickly did Crockett married Elizabeth under
after Polly his first wife? Three months? Goes to Josh.
I feel like this quiz, that's where we could have.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
Unfortunately favors the impulsive.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
The impulsive are going to get minus points if they
get it one of.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
The one of the beatitudes blessed.
Speaker 6 (43:02):
Quiz.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I think that was on there, Josh.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Remember that.
Speaker 6 (43:06):
That was.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Okay, So that was the way the podcast started off,
was talking about his wife dying. Yeah, it was, it was,
and then he within three months married. We don't know
the exact date that Polly died. I don't think that's
like in the record. Well, it wasn't in the books
that I read. It probably is on a headstone somewhere.
(43:31):
We don't know exactly when she died the day she died,
but we do know that he got married on the
March fifteenth.
Speaker 6 (43:36):
What was December the fourteenth? What was that?
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Could be a question on the quiz.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
Well, that's my answer right now.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
There's nothing. Nothing happened on December fourteenth, of note in
the last two hundred years. But it was very pragmatic,
and that's where we went, and that's when Robert Morgan
brought up this idea of pragmatism being of value. The
American Front.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
June the eleventh, eighteen fifteen.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Polydid negative, that's what it says. Okay, Well, then Crockett
married Elizabeth two months before that. We've got a major scan.
Speaker 6 (44:12):
Oh, bump, bump, bum.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
I still got my point.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
You still get your point. We're gonna have to get
to the bottom of this. Let's let's not do that now.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
We're going to have another episode now, folks.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah, yeah, But the pragmatism, mister, you were going to
say something about pragmatism.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
I want to say something.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Go ahead, let me talk.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
No, it's all right, you go ahead. I'm trying to
remember what I was going to say about pragmatism.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
I'll tell you what I was going to say about it,
because I want to say something about it too. I
counted eight times it was used in one paragraph, pragmatism, pragmatic,
it's very pragmatic, fantastic. It was used eight times. I
counted on while we was driving down the road. I
was hoping that was going to be a test question.
But that's all I had to say about it.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
That's all so used it. I thought it was I
thought it was good that it was u It came
up over and over, it came okay, question.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
But what I.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Thought, you know, Robert Morgan was talking about how a
lot of there was a lot of idealism though in
the South, and that I'm trying to remember, was he
saying idealism was an American It is because you said
it's unique. He said, it's not unique, but it is American.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Right well. He but then he contrasted the North and
the South and the in the Civil War, and he
talked about how the South was was that was part
of the reason some believe they lost the war was
they were they were more idealistic, less pragmatic, and so
the South would have been kind of excluded from the
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pragmatic American thinking that that was what he was saying.
Speaker 9 (45:57):
So I like that quote he said when you guys
were talking, Robert Morgan said something of the fact of
nothing is the end of the world.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
Yeah, America that I actually have that quote written.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, that hit home. I was like, oh yeah, yeah,
that's an American way right there.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah. And the idea that the actual geographic size of
America gave us so much opportunity, and then that became
part of the national character was opportunity. And it all
goes back to land, which in human history it almost
always goes back to land, and like who's got the land?
(46:36):
And do you own it? That's that's like the story.
I mean, even all the way back to the garden
of Eden and Adam and Eve, the land and the people.
And in America, coming from this really overcrowded Europe that
was settled from shore to shore for the most part,
they came to this huge place that which in the
(46:59):
America an ideal was a wilderness. But my friend Taylor
Keene a couple of years ago, he was the first
one I remember saying it to me. He said, the
idea that America was a wilderness is a farce. It wasn't.
It was a It was a robust civilization. But to
the European it looked like wilderness. To the Native Americans,
(47:20):
it looked like a great civilization, you know. And so
that's a whole nother story. But basically we came in
and had all this room to grow, room to mess up,
room to become wealthy. And so I mean, it's it's
really a part of the American story is the land
which is wild and and and the more I dig
into American history, the more I realized how wild it is.
(47:43):
That there's not like five countries inside of what is
now the continental US. It totally would have made sense.
I mean, that's what the South tried to do with
the Civil War was to make their own country. I mean,
and it's a wonder there wasn't you know of Spanish.
I mean that they're just it was so broken up,
so many people had stakes in it. And the fact
(48:05):
that it became from Atlantic to Pacific the same nation
is wild.
Speaker 6 (48:10):
Well, this one big hunker ground. It is three countries.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
And that's why I said, you know what is now
the continental US right right right?
Speaker 4 (48:20):
It is part of the challenge that I think America
is facing right now is all of these you know
that it's not just geographic spread, but the diversity of
ideas and the diversity of and one of the one
of the challenges that we give our students every year
in one of our classes is to you know, think
about the US in terms of different countries and how
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would you how would you put it together? And some
people do it just by geography, but a lot of
the students say, well, it's more about ideals, and they
try to group people by ideals. And our school is
is has a hybrid been to it, and so kids
are actually coming from all over the US and and
and there's there is like a there was a big
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famous article about ten years ago the nine Nations of
North America, and it's it's challenging because it's not geographically split.
It's it's really more split off of a set of ideals.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yeah, interesting, very interesting. Okay, Question number two, what topic
did host Clay Nukeom ask the render members.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
To Alabama and.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
The point Andrew Will Yes. Okay, so there's only so
much you can talk about. Crockett goes down to Alabama.
He's married to Elizabeth. He goes down to Alabama and
he gets incredibly sick. He's traveling with two guys, just Tennesseeans,
and he gets so sick, probably malaria, and they think
(49:57):
he's dead. And now it would be interesting to get
the real story of, like how do you think a
guy's dead to the point that he's alive when you
leave him that you're leaving it. I mean, it's almost
like two of some of your best friends going fishing
without you and not even telling you that they went.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
So especially when your life goal is to be a
commercial fisherman.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
These guys that are like his neighbors and such take
his horse back to Elizabeth and it is like Crockett
and I don't think it was scandalous there was no
talk of like they were shysters because they they took
his horse back, and so I don't know if I
(50:51):
don't know what circumstances drove them to not nurse him
or take him. We don't really know, because he just
talks about in his autobiography. And so takes the horseback
to the wife and says he gone, and and she goes,
I don't think he's dead, and perhaps they told her
(51:11):
we think he's dead, Like when we left him, he
was really sick. And basically he tries to walk home
and he's on the side of the road in Alabama,
and two Indians come by and they take him when
he's dying after these guys left him, and they take
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him to the nearest home of a white person and
just this random house, and these Native Americans drop crocodilef
and they say, here's a dude.
Speaker 6 (51:45):
Some I broke you white man.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah, to come up with a pack.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
Here, guys, if you are ever out in the hunting with.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
His clay, get back, all right, you'd like to go
ahead and at that body back just so that we
can confirm any sense of uncertainty about it and bring
them back breathing.
Speaker 6 (52:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Crockett goes into this house and they give him they
have some kind of bottle of medicine and there's a name.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
For some some incredibly powerful elixir.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, and they give him like the whole bottle and
he's supposed to just take a little bit of it,
and he stays unconscious for five days. He's unconscious for
five days.
Speaker 6 (52:40):
Yeah, opium, that's it.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like taking some some hydrocodone.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
That's exactly what it was. And then and and he's
unconscious for five days and then finally like comes awake,
stays with him for two weeks, and then goes back
to Elizabeth, and she had already sent a guy out
to go check on him. So when he's coming back,
the guy's going out and she's like, you're alive. But
(53:11):
I thought it was interesting talking about how common that
that was back in those days for people to.
Speaker 5 (53:18):
Just think leave the human, bring the horse home.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah, just for people to think someone was dead because
there was just no communication and it was just so
common for people to die. And so, I mean that
happened so many times. It happened with Boone, and it
happened all over and the idea that thinking someone's dead
and them not being dead and showing back up. Can
(53:44):
you think of a more a scenario with the possibility
for a more strong human response? Right, yeah, to just
I mean, I like, somebody could die and you get
like an emotional responds of oh he's dead. Someone could
get lost. You know they're alive, but they're found. It's like, well,
(54:06):
we never thought he was dead. He was just gone
for a while. Somebody dies, it's like game over the
lowest the lowest to the highest of highs like that,
they come back.
Speaker 5 (54:17):
Yeah, you can probably write a song about that.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah, probably you should think about.
Speaker 6 (54:22):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
But then and then even taking that back to the
pinnacle of the Christian faith, which is Jesus died three
days later, came back.
Speaker 6 (54:36):
He did. He did.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
It wasn't fake. And so that's just interesting. It was
interesting to me. So thank you for reminding me. That
was Andrew, Thank you for reminding me. The score is
one Andrew one, Josh Billmaker want him Brent zero, Misty zero.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
I would like to get a half a point because
Andrews said at Alabama, but I said near death.
Speaker 5 (55:01):
Experience.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
He said it quicker. Okay, we're moving on question number
three in Crockett's let's see, Okay, in Crockett's first term
in office, what nickname did he pick up that he.
Speaker 6 (55:16):
From?
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Remember that you picked it right, You picked his pocket
gentleman from the cape.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
Over here, like the dude from the cane.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Gentleman from the cane.
Speaker 6 (55:30):
So that was.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
One Josh one brand zero. That was a I thought
that was.
Speaker 6 (55:39):
A cool story.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
And it was the it became. It was early in
his life, he was young, it was his first time
in public office. This guy really literally came off the
American frontier all of a sudden, has put in this
place of proper men inside of a political system that's still,
even though it's on the American frontier, is quite aristocratic.
(56:02):
I mean, we like to think, and this is where
Crockett's influence in America is seen so strong, is that
all these Europeans came from Europe. And I mean, what
do you think when you see a picture of George
Washington and Benjamin Franklin, they look like Europeans. Yeah, I
mean they're wearing they're wearing the European clothes. They got
(56:23):
the European hairstyles. They they were breaking away from that,
and their ideals were very different. But still there was
a big tinge of kind of this aristocracy and the
rich folks lead, and there was the common man that
would never have the ability to make this jump. And
if you were in a landowner, you didn't have any power.
(56:45):
And so Crockett coming from the frontier, and remember he's
the first one, really and he's standing up before the
Tennessee State Legislature, and this old guy who we don't
even know his name anymore, he he is is enforcing,
reinforcing to the world that this commoner shouldn't be here.
(57:09):
So I mean, it's really it's really showing the ideals
of Europe. And he says the Gentleman from the Cane,
totally belittling him the cane. It would be like saying
the hicks from the sticks. These guys. Crockett comes back
the next day wearing, as a joke, a rough and
(57:32):
stands up and introduces himself as the Gentleman from the Cane.
Charms the whole place. Makes this guy look like an idiot,
and for the rest of his life he was. He
called himself the Gentleman from the Cane now that he
was playing chess well then boys was playing. Yeah, I
thought that was cool. Okay, final question, it's a tie,
(57:58):
it's a words. Did David Crockett have his portrait artist
John Gatsby Chadman.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
Of his gun? Andrew come you when a Kentucky.
Speaker 12 (58:16):
I was, I'm relieved I.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
Just got that go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. So
that was yeah, that was Crockett's. That was Crockett's. Uh,
that was his just what he what he said, and
he wanted that written on the written on his gun.
What did y'all think about?
Speaker 4 (58:43):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (58:45):
Well, I had somebody communicate with me that they didn't
understand what Crockett's blunder was. They thought that I was
saying that Crockett's blunder was him opposing the Indian removal.
I no, I feel like I made it clear.
Speaker 4 (59:03):
I actually said that was Crockett's bleunder Crocketts blender was
because I thought I thought you did make it clear
and you actually restated it. It was him going on
the book and forgetting forsaking his duties as a congressman
instead going on the book toward it.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
Maybe that guy didn't finish the podcast because it was
clear that the Indian Removal Act, the opposition to that,
hurt him politically, but that I think it was his
most noble one of his most noble moments, which was
very at the time, would have been like pretty highly progressive.
(59:40):
That's robe of the wrong word to you today you
hear progressive and it brings political connotation. I just mean
he was ahead of his time.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
It was like a civil rights move.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yeah, yeah, it would have been. And and I learned
this today that there were some Native American chiefs that
were communit a cat with him, like thanking him for
opposing it. Really yeah, so he actually did have some
connection to to that community, you know. But but that
(01:00:12):
was pretty big.
Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
So one of my favorite parts just just not anything
really deep, but I we got a really good chuckle
out of him when he's on the campaign tour, getting
up first and reciting his opponent's complete campaign speech.
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Can you imagine, I.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Mean, that was that was genius, absolute genius.
Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Yes, yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
I was actually driving a bunch of boys to basketball
practice and we were listening to this and they thought
that whole section him uh knocking on the.
Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
Door with oh yeah, yeah, I mean they miss Duke.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
I would have thought you would have thought that was inappropriate.
Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
I did think it was inappropriate. But he didn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I mean, he didn't. You thought it was funny, didn't you.
Speaker 8 (01:00:54):
I think it's the first, it is the first farmer
daughter joke in history.
Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
He did it was a comedian.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah, Oh he was, that's it. I mean, he was
full of he was.
Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
Full of it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yeah, and then he and then he he was just
It's so it became so common in America for us
to have like this folksy backwoods talk. Well, he was
the first one to do it. Yeah, I mean, and
(01:01:33):
then and you see that when Robert Morgan talked about
his influence on Lincoln.
Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
Yeah, that's what I was going to bring up.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Yeah, that was pretty major. And I wouldn't have necessarily
made that connection.
Speaker 9 (01:01:43):
When he started laying out the connections, I was like, oh, yeah,
I can see it real clearly.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Well, it was not a template for a for a
commoner backwoodsman to be able to step on the political stage.
And and Lincoln, you know, Crockett dies in eighteen thirty six,
and then Lincoln is you know, obviously president in the
eighteen sixties, and he's an older man when he's president.
(01:02:10):
So their lives I don't know when they would have
overlapped some. I'm not sure when Lincoln was born. But
but you see a generation of influence. It's like all
of a sudden there was a space. And that's the
way society and culture works, is that someone pioneers a space,
like a cultural space for somebody to do something. It's like, oh,
(01:02:31):
I didn't know that I could be a politician. Oh
I didn't know that this this kind of talk and
connecting to society worked. And so that's how Lincoln stood out,
was that he was this he was from the frontier,
and he stood out.
Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
And so anyway, eighteen nine County, Kentucky. Oh wow, so
a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
That's great, Andrew, why don't you close us down by
playing the ballad of Davy Crocker. I love it, of course.
Of course, I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
You need to know that you've got perfect picture.
Speaker 8 (01:03:11):
That's that that was a mosquito or ten nights? Which
one is it?
Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
In your ear?
Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Yeah? Nights is usually an injury associated with with tennis.
Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
With tennis, Oh no, it's from fly fishing. All right,
there we go.
Speaker 11 (01:03:39):
I'm born on the mountaintop Tennessee, Greenish State, in the
Land of the Free, raised in the woods, so we knew.
Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
If Tree killed him a bar when he was only three.
Speaker 11 (01:03:52):
Davy Davy Cracking the Wild Frontier fots angle handed through
the Indian until the creeks was with him.
Speaker 6 (01:04:04):
Peace was in store.
Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
While he was handled in this risky shore.
Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
He made himself a legend forever more.
Speaker 11 (01:04:12):
Baby Day Trucking King of the Wildfrontier.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
He went off to Congress service spell.
Speaker 11 (01:04:22):
Fixing up the government the laws as well. He took
over Washington, so I hear tell, he patched up.
Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
The track in the Liberty Bell.
Speaker 9 (01:04:32):
Davy Dave Trocking King of the Wildfrontier.
Speaker 11 (01:04:40):
When he come home, his politicket's done, while the Western
March had just be gone. So he packed his gear
and his trustee gone.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
He led out of Grinted with the fall of the sun.
Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Davy Day, Trucking King.
Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Of the Wildfrontier. All right, here's the last one.
Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
He heard Houston.
Speaker 11 (01:05:03):
And Austin's, and so to the Texas planes he had
to go. The Freedom was fighting the other foe, and
they needed him at the Alamo. Davy Day, the Tracking
King of the wild Frontier.
Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
Shadowing in Spanish, but none of that, right.
Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
See thanks to Ton Andrew.
Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Thanks thanks for the new rifle.
Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
I'm excited shooting and uh, I hate to move in
on your scene there in Nashville and start writing.
Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
You know, a man's got to do what a man's gotta.
Speaker 9 (01:05:55):
Come on down and make hundreds of dollars, make hundreds
of dollars here.
Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Excellent. Well, we have one more episode of Crocoddle.
Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
And it's almost like its own thing. It can stand alone.
Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, excellent, Thank you all, Thank
you all so much.
Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
Everybody listen to this Country Life and thank you for
the folks that are.
Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Yeah, this country Life. Ray reads, It's going well.
Speaker 8 (01:06:28):
See Friday, every Friday morning, Every Friday morning.
Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Excellent
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Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well, I would say that we have our first guests
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Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, this has been very, very stylish, So we have
a very special guest with us today.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We have we have most of the regular crew here.
We have Misty new Comb. Let me introduce and I'll
introduce our guests. We have Misty new Coom here, we
have Josh Lambridge, everyone, Brent Breeves of this country life podcast. Yo,
who Misty. I've learned that Josh and Brent have a
secret friendship outside of the render going on. They've been
fishing together all day and.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Came and stayed with me last night.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
We went and they didn't and you weren't even invited.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Even bigger deal, I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
You tell all your little secret and even made made
banana bread for us.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It was so, when's the last time me and Misty
banana bread in a while.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Actually, it takes pretty good care of me.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
She's a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So so we have we have the regular crew. And
I want to say to Gary Believer new Coomb has been.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
God rest, he.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Is alive and well.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
He is fine. Dad had he had both his knees replaced.
That's why I hadn't been You didn't know that, No,
we used to be friends before you start hanging out
with Brenton.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I knew it.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, Dad had both his knees replaced in early May,
and so he's been out, but he's going to come
back bigger than ever.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So that's where Dad has been. But our special guest
is Andrew Willis from Tennessee, Vegas.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Excuse me, but can Brent please give a proper intro
to Andrew.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
And Andrew's wearing a very I would say, comfortable, yet
sturdy pair of lace up leather boots, some dungarees, the
folks might say.
Speaker 8 (02:56):
And a very festive and fast the buckskin shirt with
tassels and fringe. Yeah, yeah, what you call them? French
like that?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Very nice overtopping, which is just his normal attire every day.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
That's not untrue, as my wife.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, so uh so Andrew and I we've probably known
each other for maybe a year or so. And Andrew
is the guy that recorded and helped helped me write
parts of the Ballad of Warner Glenn. Yeah, so you
can just that's true. So the story was is that
(03:49):
I think Andrew, you had sent an email out to
me about your brand and band called Hawking Horse and
you were coming out an albums. What was the album's name?
Speaker 9 (04:02):
He was self titled Hawk and Horse was the name
of the album. And it's a project that I took
on to really kind of capture the front tier spirit
and and I had a couple of people say you
need to send that to Clay Nukelem. So I started
digging and I was like, whoa, what's a Clay Nukem. Yeah,
(04:26):
well I heard I heard the Daniel Boone series when
I was driving the Wisconsin during deer season, and I
was like, what this guy gets it. So that's what
I was inspired to send, you know, my album over.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, and so the album is it's about the American West. Yeah,
you have a song Jeremiah Johnson. You have, what are
some of the other songs about.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
They're about fur trappers, they're about mountain men. Very inspired
by the movie Jeremiah Johnson. Yeah, inspired by you know,
the Last of the Mohicans, but also like books and
and a famous frontiersman like Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett. I
just put out another album called Long Hunter, and it's
(05:14):
all inspired by the Kentucky Tennessee Frontier of the late
seventeen hundreds and frontiersman like Daniel Boone and Simon Kenton
and uh, a lot of those characters.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And you know, amazing stories from that era.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So but in Nashville, Yeah, the reason you live in
Nashville is because you're a songwriters.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Tell us about that. Yeah, so I had wait, let
me say, hold on, there could be a few things
that you could have been that would be more interesting
to me.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Number one, commercial fisherman on the Mississippi River.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Especially like that infatuated with it, right, that would be.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Slight any more interesting interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Number two, okay, just commercial fisherman, that would be the
only thing. Second on the list would be a Nashville songwriter. Yeah,
so tell me, like, how do you be a n
Ashvial songwriter? And how do you make money? And yeah
and yeah, so I music. How much money do you have?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Not a lot worse.
Speaker 9 (06:26):
I just I'm literally on the drive out here, I
realized either my wife or my daughter took the cash
out of my wallet. So not much. But uh, yeah,
I I love music. I always loved music. I grew
up with music.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Guitar.
Speaker 9 (06:43):
I picked up a guitar about fifteen and just taught
myself how to play. And my first instinct was to
write a song. I wasn't like listening to the radio
going all right, how do I play one headlight?
Speaker 6 (06:56):
I was.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I was wanting to write a song.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Exactly how old, exactly I've.
Speaker 9 (07:01):
Exposed myself, but I wanted to write songs.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And that's immediately what I started to do.
Speaker 9 (07:09):
And so it was around that time that my son
was born, who has some special needs, and we were
kind of going through a part of my life where
we're like, what are we.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Going to do?
Speaker 9 (07:22):
And I was like, I'm going to have to stay
home with him right now because he's so bad and
he's he can't go to school or anything right now.
So I was like, I guess I'm going to start
doing this songwriting thing, because I was I had been
in the outdoor industry before. I worked within the backpacking industry,
and I was a buyer, so I had a very
(07:43):
practical I was using my business management degree and I
was like doing this. And then suddenly I was like,
I guess I'm going to start writing these songs. And
within six months of me starting this, I want a contest.
And then I got a co write with Andy Griggs,
who was a nineties, late nineties, early two thousands country singer. Yeah,
(08:09):
he had a couple pretty big hits like you Won't
Ever Be Lonely and if Heaven and some other he
was right at late nineties, and uh, anyway, he's a big,
big hunter, big hunter, and uh anyway, I got the
opportunity to write with him, and he was he was
a he's a riot. I mean, he is hilarious. But
(08:33):
I got my first radio single with him, and it
was just a small market thing and it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
He tell us the song do you oh yeah, yeah,
it's it's called kind of like asking a cattle farmer
how many cows he has?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
You?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Hear? I got a natural songwriter. Go, yeah, I had
a song on the radio, and you go, what was it?
And then he's like, yeah, yeah, you know you may
have heard it song we've never.
Speaker 9 (09:00):
We're like, oh, okay, okay, yeah, no, this is a
song you've probably never heard of.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But it's called Can't I Get An Amen?
Speaker 9 (09:08):
And he he put that out and it was you know,
and I made hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It was amazing.
Speaker 9 (09:19):
But but I got I got hooked. I got hooked.
And so not long after that, I my wife's job.
She was kind of getting over it, and I was like,
we could go to Nashville, and so we were in
southeast Ohio at the time and backpacking Mecca yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, right, backpack and turkey poaching Mecca y yeah.
Speaker 9 (09:49):
Actually on that that that podcast about the turkey poaching
really hit home because I literally had my AC units
stolen off.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The side of my house.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Are you serious?
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Oh yeah, same area, Pat, Yeah, yeah, but uh we
So we moved down and I had already built.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So your your wife had a job where she could
work correct anywhere, and and you were like, hey, we
can move to Nashville. Yeah, You're like, I'm a famous songwriter,
now this sounds like something I would do totally.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I'm just thinking about your wife must just be a person.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
She's a lot better than me.
Speaker 9 (10:32):
But she was extremely supportive and so we were like,
let's do it. And my my son, I think was
like six and my daughter was two, and we're like,
let's go for it. This is a good time to
do it. So we moved down and I instantly started,
you know, expanding my network and writing with, you know,
(10:53):
notching up on who I was writing with, and learning
a lot because I was, I figured out real quickly
at how green I was, and there was a lot
to learn. And I'm very very blessed. I had some
like incredible mentors who wrote some incredible songs.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And name drop, we want to hear him, Okay.
Speaker 9 (11:17):
One of my favorite mentors early on was Craig Bickheart,
who he had some some hits back in the eighties,
like in between Dances for who was that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Pam Tillis or something.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Okay, and then we're back to mister era.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (11:35):
But then he was part of a band called s
KB it used to be SKO and they had like
There's No Easy Horses and they were on tour with
Alabama back in the late eighties. But he is a
fantastic songwriter and I learned a whole lot from him.
But then Rivers Rutherford, who is a legend. I mean
(11:58):
he he wrote like when I get where I'm going,
he wrote, you know, huge Brooks and Dune songs. I
can't remember everybody else's songs, but I could barely my own.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
A real good Man.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yes, you're done, Yes, Tim girrawl, Real good Man.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So when you're a songwriter, yeah, okay, describe to me. Okay,
so your family's moved to Nashville and you're being mentored
and you're you're actually in that world. Yeah, get getting
paid to write songs. Tell me how the song world works,
because now you're because you're hawking Horse is kind of
(12:39):
like this personal thing that you do. Correct Your songwriting
is much different than that because you're writing stuff not
about frontiersman. You're like working, and I guess the goal
would be to write some number one song that's on
the radio, exactly right, I mean that's the goal of it,
I guess every songwriter.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
In twenty fifteen, I signed with Sony and my calendar
was like booked out three months in advance, so I
knew like.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Where I was going to be.
Speaker 9 (13:08):
Every day, you know what publishing company who I was
writing with.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
A publishing company would say we need a song, so
we need a songwriter, and you would just be like
a talent they would bring in and they would say, today,
we're going to write a song about horses.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, you're like okay, I mean really it was on me.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
I had we have what's called a hook book, and
he's it's an idea we write down.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Oh I want to write a song, so you have
your own hookbook.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I am taking note of all this because I have
three big plans in my life. Number one to become
a commercial fisherman. Number two to be a stand up comedian.
Number three to be a Nashville songwriter. Of all those things,
I am closest to being a songwriter.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Right absolutely. I mean technically you're in.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Are you going to move to Nashville?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I mean, whatever it takes, I guess. Okay, maybe maybe
now with the internet, you could be a Nashville songwriter
and just stay at home.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Did you notice that Missy said? Are you will?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I kind of like, okay, so so you're you have
a hook book? So correct come you come to the
table with some ideas, But how did they know what
kind of songs you're wanting to write or how do
you know what they want?
Speaker 9 (14:35):
Well, it used to be in the eighties and nineties,
three two three songwriters would get together and they would
throw out ideas, throw it out. You know, I've got
this idea about a pickup truck. And then you throw out.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
The ideas and and then you go, oh, no, that sucks.
How about this?
Speaker 9 (14:53):
And you you know, you might be throwing you might
be thrown out ideas for half a day. In some cases,
it's it depends who you're writing with. Nowadays you're sitting
down with an artist and so maybe they're trying to
put a certain topic on an album they're working on,
where they're I need something up tempo or I need
(15:15):
so there's a little more unknown pressure. It used to
be just going and write the best song that's in
the room that day. Now it's I'm very topical. Yeah,
your target a target exactly. So it's maybe a little
less inspirational to start.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But but Rivers.
Speaker 9 (15:34):
Rutherford, he always told me, don't write when you're inspired,
write until you're inspired. Oh, get in there, dig in
and you don't quit until you get it.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So I's gonna be locking himself.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I'm taking notes, taking notes over here.
Speaker 9 (15:53):
Yeah, I mean there's yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
To hear the backstory of Feed Jake. You know that dog?
That that song about the dog? Yeah, from the I
think that was early nineties.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
It's not really sad.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
He's been a good friend right through it all. If
I die before I wake, feed Jake. I think about
it every day whenever I'm out of town, and I'm
wondering if my chickens.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Are going to be alive when I come home. Reverse
Feed Jake.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
But anyway, I just am curious how that one came about.
That's all I could think about.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
When you would have liked that old Tom T Howst
a song about who's going to feed them hogs?
Speaker 6 (16:38):
You never heard that? How it go?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
How's it go?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Is?
Speaker 8 (16:41):
It's about I'm trying to remember the the the way
it goes, the verse. But he's so this guy is
sick and he's laid up in the in the bed
and in the hospital bed, and all he can talk about.
Tom T says, all he can talk about is who's
going to feed them? I understand it is great man.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
If you could sing, you would probably have like the ultimate.
It's like, yeah, I mean you you know.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Are we assuming that? Brent Canton?
Speaker 6 (17:12):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Brent Cantson, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I don't believe.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I think.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So now your beat? You're you're living in Nashville. Do
you have to live in Nashville to be a songwriter?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You kind of do?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Okay, asking for a friend, you kind of do.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I tried for a while not to live there.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
Okay, but you can't. You can't avoid it. You gotta
be pressient.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Way collaboration and creativity really flows when you're like I
to die with people.
Speaker 9 (17:42):
One of my first champions in that town, Alex Torres,
he uh he told me. I remember calling him up
and I hadn't moved there yet, and I was really like,
should I uproot my family and move down to Nashville?
And I called him and I was like, hey, you know,
should I Should I do this? And he just deadpan,
(18:06):
he was like, if you have to ask the answers, No,
You'll only come here if you've got to come here,
And and that hit me.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I was like, pack the bags. Conviction.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, so yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Is it true. Okay, maybe maybe I heard I don't
know where I heard this, but like when you go
to Nashville and you go to a restaurant and someone
waits on your table and they're like a twenty something person,
there's a pretty good chance that they are in Nashville
trying to make it in the music scene somewhere.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I would say that's very active.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I mean, it's like a it's like a mecca for
people to show up and a lot of people, I mean,
the vast majority of people would go there and have
their dreams crushed.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Absolutely.
Speaker 10 (18:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it kind of makes it
a if you're like Chris Stapleton or whoever, it kind
of makes it a pain to go out to eat
because everybody's trying to sneak a CD and your sandwich
or thumb drive dumb.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Stapleton was that guy, Absolutely that he was. Man, it's
like the lottery, like you know the lottery. Absolutely, they
let some people win, and so it gives all the
people that don't win inspiration that they're gonna win the
next time.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I don't know who's controlling this, but uh sounds like
a rigged system.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
The best analysis is.
Speaker 9 (19:38):
It's kind of like baseball, and there's like the minor leagues,
is like most of most of the songwriters, and then
and then somebody gets called up, you know, And.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Is it always the best guy for real?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, there's tons of ridiculously talented people out there who
will never be found.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, well sounds it like a coon hunt, Brent.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
The best dog don't always win. It's the guy that
knows the.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Rules mm hmm, or gets lucky.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Will didn't win. Willie Nelson couldn't make it in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Home he went. He went down to Texas and became
Willie Nelson.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
He's true.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
He wrote crazy.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
He wrote crazy like a mile from my house in
a building that's not even there anymore in Goodletsville, and
he he gave up and headed down there and became.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Yeah, Willy, he did all right, the beheaded Stranger.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So I won't put these words in your mouth, but
you were, like, all write songs every single day?
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Is that true?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
So?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I mean you just like like you just.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Crank them out. Are you talking about lyrics and music?
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Which comes first?
Speaker 9 (20:53):
It depends on the day really for me, For me,
the lyrics are the most important part especially being in Nashville.
It's a it's a song town, and so historically.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Wait a minute, what's the other kind of town.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, that's more of a like to me, La is
more of a beat town.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Like it's I do best.
Speaker 9 (21:20):
You never struggle with words, So Nashville is your town. Okay, okay, yeah,
it's to me, lyrics are usually first because it's the idea.
But every once in a while somebody comes in with
a cool lick and you're like, oh, let's write.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Something like that.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
So sometimes it's the other way.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
But I'll tell you what gets me about lyrics. You
don't you can't speak Spanish, Buy a chance? Can that gumt?
Listen to songs in English rhyme versus a rhyme. Listen
(21:59):
to a song in Spanish. I can't find two words
in it. It sounded like when you get to the
end of a beat, when it's when it's supposed to
rhyme with the sentence before.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
I can't find anything.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
You have you explored this a lot? I have asked
everybody I know songs rhyme.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Let's just go Selena's bitty bitty bumba.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
I don't know about that at all. Bumba.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
We may have gotten off track.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
How many songwriters do we get in here?
Speaker 6 (22:32):
We've had you.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Have one in your presence all the time.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Okay, how many real songwriters do we have? Every time?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Original songs? Somebody?
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Have you made? Have you made dolls?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's like a form letter, the ballad of filling the plank?
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah, Josh about this?
Speaker 6 (22:56):
It works?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
How many fans written that? A start off with the
ballad of How many songs do you think you've written?
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Andrew?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Definitely over a thousand? Wow, Lord, probably fourteen?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
You write every day? You're writing a song every day? Yeah,
all right.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Do you have like a goal, like I'm going to
complete a song today?
Speaker 9 (23:23):
I yeah, I almost always, Like I usually get five
songs a week.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Really, yeah, a contract with somebody to do that?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, I mean I have been.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
I'm I've written for three different companies and it's and
it's funny because they're the contract says you need to
turn in twelve one hundred percent songs or thirty six
third percent you know, songs per year.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
But if you're only doing that, you're not in the game.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
So really, everybody's just writing four or five days a week,
cranking them out Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And so you write a bunch of songs that never
see the light of day anywhere. Absolutely, So it's just
they're just trying to funnel through as much and they'll
one will ping with an artist. So you're writing songs
for some of these country artists that are trying to
make it into the mainstream, which, like I mean, I'm
(24:23):
speculating here, but you're not necessarily trying. You're not trying
to be like a country music star.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I am not.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
You would be if they asked you, But that's not
like the that's you're a songwriter.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah I am. That's what I'm passionate about.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
It is the writing.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And so a home run for you would be for
Luke Comb's or somebody to pick to somehow hear one
of your songs and be like I want to record that, absolutely,
and that would be like massive.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
That might actually be like a world series.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
That would be the worst.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Yeah, I mean that would be the world series right absolutely?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, yeah, I Uh, it's funny.
Speaker 9 (25:02):
It's I was telling somebody the other day, you write,
say you write a thousand songs, five songs will make
you ninety nine percent of your money you make in
your whole career like woa.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Wow, it's so that's like gold mining.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, it is kind of prospective.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Is that the law of averages? Like if I write
enough songs, surely one of them is gonna be a hit.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:23):
And that's the funny thing is just because those other
nine hundred and ninety five make sure I'm doing my
math right.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Songs, that doesn't mean they're not hits. That's what's funny.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
They just didn't get the shot.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
Yeah, or they haven't got There's just a lot of
songs in that town.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And then there's back catalog.
Speaker 9 (25:41):
I mean, for goodness sakes, if you're like say Jason
Aldean and you're looking for songs, yeah, you're looking at
new stuff. But what if there's like this old Whalen
song that was never cut?
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Oh yeah, well that would be pretty cool.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
So there's there's literally decades of back catalog in that
town that are amazing. Tom t Hall songs or Don Williams,
it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Who has access to the hook book? I'd kind of
like to hear about the other side of it. So
you're supplying who where does the demand come from?
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Well? The artist?
Speaker 9 (26:18):
So who like say it's like Monday, and I look
at my calendar and it's like, all right, I am
writing with this artist. Say, I'm like my buddy Tristan Morez.
He's a Texas country artist, and I'm like, okay, he
usually writes.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
This kind of stuff.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
So I'll I'll be thinking, oh, what, what's a good
idea for Tristan? Because I have him coming up on
my books next week. So then we'll go in and
I'll throw out some ideas and he might have one.
The dream is for the artist to walk in with
an idea, because you know they're already into it, right,
So as a songwriter, you're like, please let them be
(26:54):
excited about something. So because now otherwise I got to
sell an idea that I have and just hope it
connects with them.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So well, I want to hear you play the Ballad
of Warner Glenn. Yeah, man, so this song. So we
didn't really finish our full introduction, but Andrew wrote me
about this out Hawking Horse album that was coming out
about the Frontiersman in the West, the Fur Trappers, and
he seemed like a cool guy, and that's right when
(27:24):
I had had this Ballad of Warner Glenn, like mostly finished,
but I said, hey, would you take this song and
do whatever you want to it, but record it for
me professionally? And he was like absolutely, And it just
felt like it was right up his alley to do it.
(27:46):
And uh and and and he helped me become a
registered songwriter. Well what organization, Uh, you're with ascap ass
cap Yeah, yep, yep, it's official all right. So if
for people who haven't maybe maybe hadn't been following along,
We did a big series on Warner Glenn. Warner Glenn
(28:07):
is now eighty seven years old. He lives in Southeast Arizona.
We did a video project with Warner. He's an incredible
man and I've spent some time with him on a
couple different trips. And came back from Southeast Arizona and
was inspired to write a ballad about Warner Glenn. And
then it turned over to Andrew and and he helped
(28:30):
me with some of the some of the lyrics and
the chorus mainly, and put just put some magic on it.
So sing it for us, man, I.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
Didn't have to change too much. The lyrics were pretty fantastic.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, they were pretty fantastic. Andrews said, you should see
him have a bulldozer.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Way down south on the border of.
Speaker 11 (29:07):
Mexico with rattlesnakes, cactus and bandiedos, dirt and spurs, Feed
the hounds and let.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Them go.
Speaker 11 (29:21):
As a boy Marvin Toddham with big charms, rude and
open country where the jaguars wrong, Open country full of
a different kind of gold.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Sixteen hand mules saddled up to four. The song glows.
Speaker 11 (29:49):
Nobody told them this wretched life is a hard road,
hiding rising sun behind the cheery cow was O.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
He's mounted in mood and for an all.
Speaker 11 (30:04):
Their mule backstroke in open country where the jaguars rong,
open country full of a different kind of gold. The
lion track in the dirt seven miles in. But where'd
he go? Got a pack of wide walkers that are
(30:27):
philosopher's like through working cross the dirt like the farm
and works his rose up the canyon around the rock.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Chasing the ghost of a shadow.
Speaker 11 (30:41):
Through open country where the jaguars rong, open country full
of a different kind of gold.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Open country will be lost.
Speaker 11 (30:56):
No one knows, but this ould countries where the jiguire
roams the lonely catch him if he crosses the plateau,
chasing him over the rim rocks and old hook basing man.
(31:19):
Hope it's no lion. He seeks a little wildness. You
can control who I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's Worn and Glen and it's mum chummo.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Exce e.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Oh man, man, Yeah, how did that feel here just
watching him?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
That's really cool? Yeah, really cool man. That sounds good.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
He's really good.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah. Yeah. So that song, if somebody didn't have any context,
it possibly could be confusing. Warner Glenn is a mountain lion,
dry ground mountain lion hunter, and that's why there's you know,
there's if you If you know about Warner Glenn, this
song makes a lot of sense. Marvin is his dad,
(32:38):
who's long passed away. But Marvin todt him where the
big Tom's rove. That's in the beginning. He lives in
the Chirikawa Mountains. Warner Glenn owns I'm pretty sure seventeen mules,
and hardly one of them is under sixteen hands tall,
which is really tall for a mule. Warner Glenn's sixty six.
He needs a big muley.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
He uh he.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
He runs a pack of mixed walker dogs and my
favorite line in there is He's got a pack of
white walkers that are philosophers like throw because these dogs
are at the pinnacle of the hound hunting world for
their ability to trail game, because it's the toughest conditions
there is for trailing game, which is dry and hot,
(33:21):
and so they're chasing the ghost of a shadow, which
is cool. And then so the chorus talks about jaguars though,
and that part of the world is the only place
in America where the range of the jaguar goes into America.
(33:43):
And if you watched our film on the Media YouTube channel,
you would see that Warner Glenn was the first person
to ever document a live jaguar in America his dogs,
and I believe it was nineteen ninety six, and then
he did it again in the two thousands. He was
lying hunting for mountain lions, which are a lot of
(34:03):
mountain lions out there, and his dogs bade what he
thought was a mountain lion, and he goes into the
dogs and it's a jaguar, and he has this camera
with him and he takes a photograph and it's the
first photograph ever of a jaguar not dead. Now there's
a bunch of old photos of dead jaguars. The first
first time they're like, yep, there's a live jaguar. And
(34:26):
it was before trail cameras were real prominent and such,
and yeah, there's a painting right there. You can buy
that painting. I'm pretty sure the last name of that
painter is McWilliams. But this I've got, I've got the
jaguar that de las Delos.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
That's what it says on the paint, not McWilliams, yea
delos And you.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Can he's that's the guy you both paint from.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, McWilliams paint yeah, down in southeast Arizona. But so
when you're in that country, though, it's it's like jaguar country,
and that's kind of the lore. And Warner Glenn's eighty
seven and he's seen two, you know, and most people
have lived there their whole lives and seen zero. His
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dad always wanted to see a jaguar and never did.
His dad, Marvin, never cause a jaguar. Oh yeah, that's
incredibly rare. And so that's why the chorus talks about jaguars.
But the but the main thing is is, uh is
there They're lion hunting, and then he had a mule.
I had to pick a mule name because he in
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his book, Warner Glenn has a book, and in his book, Uh,
he was given a mule name Muchomo from a rich,
wealthy Mexican rancher who he and his dad went down
into Mexico to catch lions off this ranch that were
pread that, you know, catching cattle and horse cults and stuff.
(35:52):
And the man liked Warner so much that he gave
him his finest Well, as the story went, I'm pretty
sure this. This wealthy rancher said, Warner, you can have
any one of my horses that you want, some version
of he's. He offered him a horse, and Warner said,
you know what, I really don't want any of your horses,
(36:15):
but I'd like that mule, Machomo. And so the rancher
was like, really you want the mule. B So so
Warner took Mochomo and he became this like incredible mule.
And so that's why I love Warner Glenn. He chose
the mule over the horse.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
How about Banjo?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
What's that?
Speaker 6 (36:38):
How about Benjo? Dude?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
We'll not even go there. Okay, it's not time to
release the information. Let me tell you this, I've been
riding banjo all over these mountains for the last week.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
It's true, and got the offers of ten grand.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Oh next year, should I just be desirous of ling him?
He'll be worth ten grand. He's a fantastic mule. He's
beautiful and he's doing very good. I might even lik
him better than is.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
He Come on out there say that.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, she's kind of a piece of work.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
But anyway, he's the pain.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
That was cool Andrew? So people, where can people find
that song?
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (37:25):
You can find it anywhere you stream music, Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Add it to your playlist. Yeah, guess guess who gets
Guess who gets the money? Me and Andrew There.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
All right, maybe we may may hundreds of the I
will quit.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
Everybody. Everybody media downloaded music, download, download.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
All the time, and I've not seen a paycheck yet.
Tell me not my choice either.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
In the car, it's the only song you've got on
his playlist.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Repeat when mess with that playlist because that comes on first.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
It's like, all.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Right, well, no, for real, you need to go check
out Hawking Horse. Yeah, Hawking Horse, you have a lot
of songs. Yeah, My favorite one is Jeremiah Johnson. I think,
oh yeah, I love that Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, I love that song too.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
I can watch that movie every day and I listen
to that song a bunch of times. It's good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, well I've never seen it.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Something you just don't tell.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, I should have kept that to yourself. Well that's incredible. Well, hey,
but the reason.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Before we get into the can he tell us about
this rifle.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, quickly, because we we've got, we've got there's just
got a lot to do. A beautiful Yeah, tell us
about the rifle.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
Well, this is a forty five caliber Kibbler woods Runner,
and it's there. Jim Kibler is a gun builder out
of Ohio, and he makes these C and C rifle
kits and they go together like legos. I mean, this
(39:20):
is I'm not some amazing woodworker, I you know, I
just put this together. But anyway, this is my new
baby and I plan on taking a deer with it
this year.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
It's a it's a flint lock.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, it's a flint lock.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
So it actually has a rock, a piece of flint
YEP makes the spark that ignites the powder.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
YEP, black powder only wow.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
And it's a would you describe that as a Kentucky
long rifle style gun?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Absolutely it Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is called.
Speaker 9 (39:49):
A woods runner, so it's a little more nimble for
running through the woods.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, and it's a beautiful gun.
Speaker 9 (39:55):
But yeah, it's a Pennsylvania, Kentucky long rifle either one
of those names.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Well so. So on Instagram, Andrew is Hawking Horse and
he posts it's kind of like an educational in a
way channel about the frontier. Like he posts a lot
of art and a lot of pictures and he'll have
information about I mean, like I learned stuff following Talking
(40:21):
Horse on Instagram. Yeah a lot. So, but that's why
he's kind of big into the flint lock and all
this stuff.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
It's actually Hawking horse Band. Some Hawking horse band.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, check it out. Check it out. So the reason
I wanted to have Andrew here today was because we're
talking about Davy Crockett and uh, if you're if you're
new to the podcast. On the Render, we talk about
(41:00):
out what happened the week before on the actual Bear
Grease podcast And guys, guess what. You're all in trouble
because we have another quiz. I we have another quiz
a row the yeah, the last the last quiz seemed
to do it was. I felt like that it helped
(41:23):
me get some energy gain control of my podcast again
because I then know if you guys are paying attention,
because sometimes I'm like, was the podcast last week? And
they are like, oh, it was great, and I'm like,
what was it about? Pop quiz?
Speaker 8 (41:43):
It's what happened on the way home from fishing this
morning to day Me and Josh had you on it.
What was that one?
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, oh, y'all were studying.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
You were spitting out some info Jack like drinking from
a firehood from my ears.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Okay, here we go. The first person to answer, just
blurt it out, blurted out. Even you can even cut
the cut the question in half. Each correct answer gets
a point. Incorrect answer are minus point five. Incorrect answers
get that point. Who wins gets the rifle?
Speaker 8 (42:27):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Question number one, how quickly did Crockett married Elizabeth under
after Polly his first wife? Three months? Goes to Josh.
I feel like this quiz, that's where we could have.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
Unfortunately favors the impulsive.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
The impulsive are going to get minus points if they
get it one of.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
The one of the beatitudes blessed.
Speaker 6 (43:02):
Quiz.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I think that was on there, Josh.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Remember that.
Speaker 6 (43:06):
That was.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Okay, So that was the way the podcast started off,
was talking about his wife dying. Yeah, it was, it was,
and then he within three months married. We don't know
the exact date that Polly died. I don't think that's
like in the record. Well, it wasn't in the books
that I read. It probably is on a headstone somewhere.
(43:31):
We don't know exactly when she died the day she died,
but we do know that he got married on the
March fifteenth.
Speaker 6 (43:36):
What was December the fourteenth? What was that?
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Could be a question on the quiz.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
Well, that's my answer right now.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
There's nothing. Nothing happened on December fourteenth, of note in
the last two hundred years. But it was very pragmatic,
and that's where we went, and that's when Robert Morgan
brought up this idea of pragmatism being of value. The
American Front.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
June the eleventh, eighteen fifteen.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Polydid negative, that's what it says. Okay, Well, then Crockett
married Elizabeth two months before that. We've got a major scan.
Speaker 6 (44:12):
Oh, bump, bump, bum.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
I still got my point.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
You still get your point. We're gonna have to get
to the bottom of this. Let's let's not do that now.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
We're going to have another episode now, folks.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah, yeah, But the pragmatism, mister, you were going to
say something about pragmatism.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
I want to say something.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Go ahead, let me talk.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
No, it's all right, you go ahead. I'm trying to
remember what I was going to say about pragmatism.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
I'll tell you what I was going to say about it,
because I want to say something about it too. I
counted eight times it was used in one paragraph, pragmatism, pragmatic,
it's very pragmatic, fantastic. It was used eight times. I
counted on while we was driving down the road. I
was hoping that was going to be a test question.
But that's all I had to say about it.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
That's all so used it. I thought it was I
thought it was good that it was u It came
up over and over, it came okay, question.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
But what I.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Thought, you know, Robert Morgan was talking about how a
lot of there was a lot of idealism though in
the South, and that I'm trying to remember, was he
saying idealism was an American It is because you said
it's unique. He said, it's not unique, but it is American.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Right well. He but then he contrasted the North and
the South and the in the Civil War, and he
talked about how the South was was that was part
of the reason some believe they lost the war was
they were they were more idealistic, less pragmatic, and so
the South would have been kind of excluded from the
(45:52):
pragmatic American thinking that that was what he was saying.
Speaker 9 (45:57):
So I like that quote he said when you guys
were talking, Robert Morgan said something of the fact of
nothing is the end of the world.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
Yeah, America that I actually have that quote written.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, that hit home. I was like, oh yeah, yeah,
that's an American way right there.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah. And the idea that the actual geographic size of
America gave us so much opportunity, and then that became
part of the national character was opportunity. And it all
goes back to land, which in human history it almost
always goes back to land, and like who's got the land?
(46:36):
And do you own it? That's that's like the story.
I mean, even all the way back to the garden
of Eden and Adam and Eve, the land and the people.
And in America, coming from this really overcrowded Europe that
was settled from shore to shore for the most part,
they came to this huge place that which in the
(46:59):
America an ideal was a wilderness. But my friend Taylor
Keene a couple of years ago, he was the first
one I remember saying it to me. He said, the
idea that America was a wilderness is a farce. It wasn't.
It was a It was a robust civilization. But to
the European it looked like wilderness. To the Native Americans,
(47:20):
it looked like a great civilization, you know. And so
that's a whole nother story. But basically we came in
and had all this room to grow, room to mess up,
room to become wealthy. And so I mean, it's it's
really a part of the American story is the land
which is wild and and and the more I dig
into American history, the more I realized how wild it is.
(47:43):
That there's not like five countries inside of what is
now the continental US. It totally would have made sense.
I mean, that's what the South tried to do with
the Civil War was to make their own country. I mean,
and it's a wonder there wasn't you know of Spanish.
I mean that they're just it was so broken up,
so many people had stakes in it. And the fact
(48:05):
that it became from Atlantic to Pacific the same nation
is wild.
Speaker 6 (48:10):
Well, this one big hunker ground. It is three countries.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
And that's why I said, you know what is now
the continental US right right right?
Speaker 4 (48:20):
It is part of the challenge that I think America
is facing right now is all of these you know
that it's not just geographic spread, but the diversity of
ideas and the diversity of and one of the one
of the challenges that we give our students every year
in one of our classes is to you know, think
about the US in terms of different countries and how
(48:42):
would you how would you put it together? And some
people do it just by geography, but a lot of
the students say, well, it's more about ideals, and they
try to group people by ideals. And our school is
is has a hybrid been to it, and so kids
are actually coming from all over the US and and
and there's there is like a there was a big
(49:04):
famous article about ten years ago the nine Nations of
North America, and it's it's challenging because it's not geographically split.
It's it's really more split off of a set of ideals.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yeah, interesting, very interesting. Okay, Question number two, what topic
did host Clay Nukeom ask the render members.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
To Alabama and.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
The point Andrew Will Yes. Okay, so there's only so
much you can talk about. Crockett goes down to Alabama.
He's married to Elizabeth. He goes down to Alabama and
he gets incredibly sick. He's traveling with two guys, just Tennesseeans,
and he gets so sick, probably malaria, and they think
(49:57):
he's dead. And now it would be interesting to get
the real story of, like how do you think a
guy's dead to the point that he's alive when you
leave him that you're leaving it. I mean, it's almost
like two of some of your best friends going fishing
without you and not even telling you that they went.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
So especially when your life goal is to be a
commercial fisherman.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
These guys that are like his neighbors and such take
his horse back to Elizabeth and it is like Crockett
and I don't think it was scandalous there was no
talk of like they were shysters because they they took
his horse back, and so I don't know if I
(50:51):
don't know what circumstances drove them to not nurse him
or take him. We don't really know, because he just
talks about in his autobiography. And so takes the horseback
to the wife and says he gone, and and she goes,
I don't think he's dead, and perhaps they told her
(51:11):
we think he's dead, Like when we left him, he
was really sick. And basically he tries to walk home
and he's on the side of the road in Alabama,
and two Indians come by and they take him when
he's dying after these guys left him, and they take
(51:34):
him to the nearest home of a white person and
just this random house, and these Native Americans drop crocodilef
and they say, here's a dude.
Speaker 6 (51:45):
Some I broke you white man.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah, to come up with a pack.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
Here, guys, if you are ever out in the hunting with.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
His clay, get back, all right, you'd like to go
ahead and at that body back just so that we
can confirm any sense of uncertainty about it and bring
them back breathing.
Speaker 6 (52:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Crockett goes into this house and they give him they
have some kind of bottle of medicine and there's a name.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
For some some incredibly powerful elixir.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, and they give him like the whole bottle and
he's supposed to just take a little bit of it,
and he stays unconscious for five days. He's unconscious for
five days.
Speaker 6 (52:40):
Yeah, opium, that's it.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like taking some some hydrocodone.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
That's exactly what it was. And then and and he's
unconscious for five days and then finally like comes awake,
stays with him for two weeks, and then goes back
to Elizabeth, and she had already sent a guy out
to go check on him. So when he's coming back,
the guy's going out and she's like, you're alive. But
(53:11):
I thought it was interesting talking about how common that
that was back in those days for people to.
Speaker 5 (53:18):
Just think leave the human, bring the horse home.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah, just for people to think someone was dead because
there was just no communication and it was just so
common for people to die. And so, I mean that
happened so many times. It happened with Boone, and it
happened all over and the idea that thinking someone's dead
and them not being dead and showing back up. Can
(53:44):
you think of a more a scenario with the possibility
for a more strong human response? Right, yeah, to just
I mean, I like, somebody could die and you get
like an emotional responds of oh he's dead. Someone could
get lost. You know they're alive, but they're found. It's like, well,
(54:06):
we never thought he was dead. He was just gone
for a while. Somebody dies, it's like game over the
lowest the lowest to the highest of highs like that,
they come back.
Speaker 5 (54:17):
Yeah, you can probably write a song about that.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah, probably you should think about.
Speaker 6 (54:22):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
But then and then even taking that back to the
pinnacle of the Christian faith, which is Jesus died three
days later, came back.
Speaker 6 (54:36):
He did. He did.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
It wasn't fake. And so that's just interesting. It was
interesting to me. So thank you for reminding me. That
was Andrew, Thank you for reminding me. The score is
one Andrew one, Josh Billmaker want him Brent zero, Misty zero.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
I would like to get a half a point because
Andrews said at Alabama, but I said near death.
Speaker 5 (55:01):
Experience.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
He said it quicker. Okay, we're moving on question number
three in Crockett's let's see, Okay, in Crockett's first term
in office, what nickname did he pick up that he.
Speaker 6 (55:16):
From?
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Remember that you picked it right, You picked his pocket
gentleman from the cape.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
Over here, like the dude from the cane.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Gentleman from the cane.
Speaker 6 (55:30):
So that was.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
One Josh one brand zero. That was a I thought
that was.
Speaker 6 (55:39):
A cool story.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
And it was the it became. It was early in
his life, he was young, it was his first time
in public office. This guy really literally came off the
American frontier all of a sudden, has put in this
place of proper men inside of a political system that's still,
even though it's on the American frontier, is quite aristocratic.
(56:02):
I mean, we like to think, and this is where
Crockett's influence in America is seen so strong, is that
all these Europeans came from Europe. And I mean, what
do you think when you see a picture of George
Washington and Benjamin Franklin, they look like Europeans. Yeah, I
mean they're wearing they're wearing the European clothes. They got
(56:23):
the European hairstyles. They they were breaking away from that,
and their ideals were very different. But still there was
a big tinge of kind of this aristocracy and the
rich folks lead, and there was the common man that
would never have the ability to make this jump. And
if you were in a landowner, you didn't have any power.
(56:45):
And so Crockett coming from the frontier, and remember he's
the first one, really and he's standing up before the
Tennessee State Legislature, and this old guy who we don't
even know his name anymore, he he is is enforcing,
reinforcing to the world that this commoner shouldn't be here.
(57:09):
So I mean, it's really it's really showing the ideals
of Europe. And he says the Gentleman from the Cane,
totally belittling him the cane. It would be like saying
the hicks from the sticks. These guys. Crockett comes back
the next day wearing, as a joke, a rough and
(57:32):
stands up and introduces himself as the Gentleman from the Cane.
Charms the whole place. Makes this guy look like an idiot,
and for the rest of his life he was. He
called himself the Gentleman from the Cane now that he
was playing chess well then boys was playing. Yeah, I
thought that was cool. Okay, final question, it's a tie,
(57:58):
it's a words. Did David Crockett have his portrait artist
John Gatsby Chadman.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
Of his gun? Andrew come you when a Kentucky.
Speaker 12 (58:16):
I was, I'm relieved I.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
Just got that go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. So
that was yeah, that was Crockett's. That was Crockett's. Uh,
that was his just what he what he said, and
he wanted that written on the written on his gun.
What did y'all think about?
Speaker 4 (58:43):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (58:45):
Well, I had somebody communicate with me that they didn't
understand what Crockett's blunder was. They thought that I was
saying that Crockett's blunder was him opposing the Indian removal.
I no, I feel like I made it clear.
Speaker 4 (59:03):
I actually said that was Crockett's bleunder Crocketts blender was
because I thought I thought you did make it clear
and you actually restated it. It was him going on
the book and forgetting forsaking his duties as a congressman
instead going on the book toward it.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
Maybe that guy didn't finish the podcast because it was
clear that the Indian Removal Act, the opposition to that,
hurt him politically, but that I think it was his
most noble one of his most noble moments, which was
very at the time, would have been like pretty highly progressive.
(59:40):
That's robe of the wrong word to you today you
hear progressive and it brings political connotation. I just mean
he was ahead of his time.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
It was like a civil rights move.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yeah, yeah, it would have been. And and I learned
this today that there were some Native American chiefs that
were communit a cat with him, like thanking him for
opposing it. Really yeah, so he actually did have some
connection to to that community, you know. But but that
(01:00:12):
was pretty big.
Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
So one of my favorite parts just just not anything
really deep, but I we got a really good chuckle
out of him when he's on the campaign tour, getting
up first and reciting his opponent's complete campaign speech.
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Can you imagine, I.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Mean, that was that was genius, absolute genius.
Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Yes, yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
I was actually driving a bunch of boys to basketball
practice and we were listening to this and they thought
that whole section him uh knocking on the.
Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
Door with oh yeah, yeah, I mean they miss Duke.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
I would have thought you would have thought that was inappropriate.
Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
I did think it was inappropriate. But he didn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I mean, he didn't. You thought it was funny, didn't you.
Speaker 8 (01:00:54):
I think it's the first, it is the first farmer
daughter joke in history.
Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
He did it was a comedian.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah, Oh he was, that's it. I mean, he was
full of he was.
Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
Full of it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yeah, and then he and then he he was just
It's so it became so common in America for us
to have like this folksy backwoods talk. Well, he was
the first one to do it. Yeah, I mean, and
(01:01:33):
then and you see that when Robert Morgan talked about
his influence on Lincoln.
Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
Yeah, that's what I was going to bring up.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Yeah, that was pretty major. And I wouldn't have necessarily
made that connection.
Speaker 9 (01:01:43):
When he started laying out the connections, I was like, oh, yeah,
I can see it real clearly.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Well, it was not a template for a for a
commoner backwoodsman to be able to step on the political stage.
And and Lincoln, you know, Crockett dies in eighteen thirty six,
and then Lincoln is you know, obviously president in the
eighteen sixties, and he's an older man when he's president.
(01:02:10):
So their lives I don't know when they would have
overlapped some. I'm not sure when Lincoln was born. But
but you see a generation of influence. It's like all
of a sudden there was a space. And that's the
way society and culture works, is that someone pioneers a space,
like a cultural space for somebody to do something. It's like, oh,
(01:02:31):
I didn't know that I could be a politician. Oh
I didn't know that this this kind of talk and
connecting to society worked. And so that's how Lincoln stood out,
was that he was this he was from the frontier,
and he stood out.
Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
And so anyway, eighteen nine County, Kentucky. Oh wow, so
a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
That's great, Andrew, why don't you close us down by
playing the ballad of Davy Crocker. I love it, of course.
Of course, I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
You need to know that you've got perfect picture.
Speaker 8 (01:03:11):
That's that that was a mosquito or ten nights? Which
one is it?
Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
In your ear?
Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Yeah? Nights is usually an injury associated with with tennis.
Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
With tennis, Oh no, it's from fly fishing. All right,
there we go.
Speaker 11 (01:03:39):
I'm born on the mountaintop Tennessee, Greenish State, in the
Land of the Free, raised in the woods, so we knew.
Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
If Tree killed him a bar when he was only three.
Speaker 11 (01:03:52):
Davy Davy Cracking the Wild Frontier fots angle handed through
the Indian until the creeks was with him.
Speaker 6 (01:04:04):
Peace was in store.
Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
While he was handled in this risky shore.
Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
He made himself a legend forever more.
Speaker 11 (01:04:12):
Baby Day Trucking King of the Wildfrontier.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
He went off to Congress service spell.
Speaker 11 (01:04:22):
Fixing up the government the laws as well. He took
over Washington, so I hear tell, he patched up.
Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
The track in the Liberty Bell.
Speaker 9 (01:04:32):
Davy Dave Trocking King of the Wildfrontier.
Speaker 11 (01:04:40):
When he come home, his politicket's done, while the Western
March had just be gone. So he packed his gear
and his trustee gone.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
He led out of Grinted with the fall of the sun.
Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Davy Day, Trucking King.
Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Of the Wildfrontier. All right, here's the last one.
Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
He heard Houston.
Speaker 11 (01:05:03):
And Austin's, and so to the Texas planes he had
to go. The Freedom was fighting the other foe, and
they needed him at the Alamo. Davy Day, the Tracking
King of the wild Frontier.
Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
Shadowing in Spanish, but none of that, right.
Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
See thanks to Ton Andrew.
Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Thanks thanks for the new rifle.
Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
I'm excited shooting and uh, I hate to move in
on your scene there in Nashville and start writing.
Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
You know, a man's got to do what a man's gotta.
Speaker 9 (01:05:55):
Come on down and make hundreds of dollars, make hundreds
of dollars here.
Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Excellent. Well, we have one more episode of Crocoddle.
Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
And it's almost like its own thing. It can stand alone.
Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, excellent, Thank you all, Thank
you all so much.
Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
Everybody listen to this Country Life and thank you for
the folks that are.
Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Yeah, this country Life. Ray reads, It's going well.
Speaker 8 (01:06:28):
See Friday, every Friday morning, Every Friday morning.
Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Excellent
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