Beating The Book: 2024 Week 16 NFL MegaPod Betting Preview

Gill Alexander, Todd Wishnev (VSiN Contributor), Will Hill (VSiN Contributor), and Kelley Bydlon (Producer of A Numbers Game), break down all of the Week 16 NFL betting action! The quartet gives you their best bets of the week, best teaser options, which big favorite is most likely to lose outright, and the game they want no part of.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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the week sixteen beating the book megapod and first introducing
the Pillars of the show. By the way, I'm Gil
Alexander Pillars of the Show down there from his mom's

(00:42):
cork addict. He looks like he's shaved. You got a haircut?
Todd wishing to have everybody the star of the showtime
docuseries Action. What's happening? Totty?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Neither is correct, but I'm looking up on XT I
would like to watch the show while I do the show.
But how do you even get it on it?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Don't do don't do that, I'm sure, is tweeted, and
look in your camera you're watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'd like to see how you guys are doing?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Uh? And then Will Hill of course uh t wishing
for Todd. And then Will Hill at not the Will
Hill the host.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
To do you see you?

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Oh goodness, me talking in the background while we're setting up.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
That's great, Will Hill at not the Will Hill. Most
of these should have been more podcast what's happening at Will?

Speaker 5 (01:42):
What's up? Boys? How's it going?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
You know we can get Todd to stop and then
our guest week sixty rotating guests. You may know him
as producer number nine, so much more than a producer
of a numbers game at Vson. It is let me
spell this, let me read this by the lawn, Ellie Bedlin.
Is that your house, Kelly? Is that where you are?

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Is my place? Happy to be with you find folks
today on the first live megapod edition. This is so exciting.
I mean, it's exciting to be invited periods.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
That is is that a picture of an elephant behind you?

Speaker 5 (02:15):
Is that the place?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Women?

Speaker 4 (02:16):
That's from my uh from my safari days to UH
South Africa and UH in Zambia?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Is that true?

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah? Yea, I took those pictures.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
Ye Is that the place? Multiple women been to that
you were talking about.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
That's right, multiple women have been Ye, that's right. Multiple Awesome. Yeah, man,
that's like from a Sofari like a dozen years ago,
like I was. I was totally that person that like
was like I'm going to become a photographer like a
year beforehand, and like learned how to do the bare
minimum and like you know, so it's all on. It's
all digital these days, right, So you take a thousand

(02:50):
freaking pictures and uh if.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
You turn out okay, unrelated question, just one and a
half count as multiple.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
I said, is the half live?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Half? First, when does betting stop? As betting stopped already?

Speaker 4 (03:10):
What does betting stop on?

Speaker 1 (03:11):
What on your thing? In other words, have to have that?
Has it closed already or is it still ongoing?

Speaker 4 (03:17):
I was still ongoing?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Sure? Yeah, uh, Todd, the grades the records please, as
courts snographer. He's so happy.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's funny because I actually when when when Kelly mentioned Zambia,
I had a I actually had Zambia stayed over last
week and it came in Zambia. There's all the defense
in Zambia we all know. Anyways, let's go to the records.
The records. Everybody went one and two last week, but
I had a two and a half game lead going in,

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so if everyone goes one and two, what happens? I
still have a two and a half game lead. Gilly,
our good friend, went one and two. Both him and
Willy had Carolina, so that took them both down with
my little announcer ship last week. So Gilly moves to
twenty three twenty one and one, and we all lost

(04:11):
our teasers on the Commanders, which I'll talk about in
a moment. Gilly moves to four ten and one. Willie
also had a one and two. He moves to twenty
twenty four and one. He is six seven and two
on teasers. I again also had a one and two
after that horrendous beat in the pats under with all

(04:31):
those late touchdowns, and I moved to twenty six and nineteen.
I believe I've mentioned it to two and a half
game lead. I am six and nine on teasers, and
the guest has matched the Gilly record at twenty three
twenty one and one, also with a one and two
from Ben Wilson and six and nine on teasers. So
that's where we stand for the season. I think I've

(04:54):
mentioned it before, but just in case you don't know,
I have a two and a half game lead. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Ben.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
By the way, got keisterized with that Jags. He had
Jags plus three and a half against the Jets.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
That was a jeez heasterization. All right, Dumbo of the Week.
First of all, people want to know, Todd, is it
Dumbo or dumbbell.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
You I'm not. I'm not strict about that. You can't
call it either way.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
It is your podcast. It is Dumbo of the Week.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I decided to show up this week. It was very
nice to you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Oh geez, so inappropriate.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
That's fifty fifteen yard penalty, the second down, brutal, first warning.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
I was on vacation. We have to have three separate
categories because the Dumbo stuff is so widespread this week
that for the first time there was category. We have
to have a what did you say?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
There was just too much. There was just too much Dumbo.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, the officials get their own category. I think you
already alluded to it, Todd. The New Orleans Washington finish.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Unbelievable where for no reason.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Skins probably probably, I can't say with one hundred percent
certainty probably should have won that game by seven and
crushed Washington teasers because with no timeouts left, the Saints
had no timeouts left. The Saints got a first down
with no timeouts left at the one yard line of Washington,

(06:30):
and the official on the bottom of your screen walking up,
you know, jogging up to the up the line of scrimmage,
waved the clock to stop and it was about exactly
three seconds and that's when Spencer Rattler spiked the ball
with three seconds left in the game. So New Orleans
got a touchdown on the next play. They had a

(06:51):
two point conversion to win, which failed, which by the way,
would have killed five Survivor entries in Circus Survivor, each
worth what two hundred and eighty thousand dollars or something
like that, So all the all the Commanders teasers went
by the wayside, So that's its own category. And by
the way, Kelly and I were talking about this on
the Numbers game on the radio side earlier this week.
What people forget about that game is Washington missed a

(07:13):
field goal at the end of the third quarter, but
the officials failed to notice that the game clock had
already expired, so it was like four seconds after zero's
and they're like, oh yeah, all right, it doesn't count.
So they got to redo it at the beginning of
the fourth quarter, Ay and Greg Joseph made the field goal,
so they were just fucking up shit every excuse me, YouTube,

(07:34):
sorry YouTube. That's the referee category. But then there's the
player category, which Jonathan Taylor has to win. Even though
there were multiple of these, he was the only offensive
player right ahead.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Before you go on, Before you go on, But just
I think you were understating here what happened in that
Redskin game. Because I've lost games to earthquakes. I've lost
games to every type of bad beat imaginable, and I've
lost to bad This is not a bad call. This
is a new category called I forgot the rules with

(08:07):
eleven nine.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Pause, pause, pause.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Eight seven six. This is a new category. The ref
forgot the rules. Is this what I'm select to believe
by the way, I lost the game earlier this year
Texas Georgia because it was no longer pass interference after
they called past interference because the crowd went crazy. I've
never seen them before. I've asked everyone I've ever seen before.

(08:34):
Have you ever seen them change? The call after the
call was already literally announced. No one's ever seen it before.
Now we have a new category refs just forgetting the rules.
Now what are we supposed to believe on that? Gilly?
Have you ever seen the ref forget the rules? No?

Speaker 1 (08:52):
And and the fact that you could you saw it
live like I was screaming at the TV right Love
what and I'm like, what are they doing? What are
they doing? And the fact that this is the thing
we talked about. Will brought this up many times before too,
Kelly and I did as well. Replay assists showed up
in our lives out of nowhere. We never got an explanation.
And somehow replay assist does not apply to that, the

(09:14):
easiest thing you could possibly apply to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
But I mean, do we do you ever question? I've
never seen a ref do that before in the history
of NFL. We've watched a million games. So what is that?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Which is by the way, which which reef is responsible?
Is there a separate ref that's responsible for the clock?
That's because I saw the trans the transcript with Hockey Lee,
who is the head official, saying, hey, the the clock
officials stopped the clock. He made a mistake, but I
don't I don't know what that means. I don't know
who the clock official is. I don't know if you
guys have any insight on that.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Someone with smarter refereeing knowledge would know that answer. Yeah,
he was known.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
The running is.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
The bottomless as you're looking on TV, right, the guy
who's right on the line of scrimmage and he's like
the guy was coming down. Of course didn't stop the clock,
but the guy at the bottom did.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah, the clock operator, right, that's not the hometown clock operator.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
No, the the ref's waving his arms. I've never seen
it before, and I'm not one of these big conspiracy
theorist guys, but I mean, really, what is that like?
It is very unusual that all the teasers were sitting
on the one and a half number. And I'm not
saying that that like the NFL is making orders for

(10:38):
the teasers. I just never seen anything that ridiculous before.
You know, they don't usually forget the rules. I mean,
what's next, you passing, we have a horrible roughing the
passer and they go ten yards of whoops. We forgot
the rule. Usually it's fifteen, but we forgot this time.
It's only done. Sorry, what are you talking about? You forgot?

(11:01):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (11:03):
As long as they do it like you did it
where you're like this, as long as they do it
like that, I think I'll forget.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Sorry, Whoopsie, I like.

Speaker 6 (11:13):
Jill maybe gave the best sort of explanation I've heard
for it this week. But like there was people like
after that being like, well, maybe he thought he was
reffering a college.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Game, like what are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
What? What? What are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Like?

Speaker 4 (11:26):
What if I wanted to work every day and thought
I was doing a different show, Like what that's like,
that's what we're talking.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
About here night possible My possible explanation that Kelly's referring
to was if the official thought that Bobby Wagner on
the previous play laid on top of Foster Moreau of
the Saints and caused the delay, maybe then he would
stop the clock temporarily. But then Kelly pointed out, correctly,

(11:52):
then don't you just throw a flag if that's the right.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Anyway, that was all I looked at it, and that
that wasn't part of the story.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
This guy's coming, You're not You're not suggesting a conspiracy.
But what you are saying is that it does leave
it open to conspiracy theorists.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
I guess it makes no damn sense.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
There's no we don't watched five thousand games. We've watched. No,
we've watched one hundred million games. We've never seen them.
Not know by the way of all the times, you know,
not to stop the clock. It's at the end of
the game. There's no time. Everyone knows, all the refs
are going. Yeah, of course, I mean just it's mind
about that.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
I mean gambling aside. That could have killed the skin
season too, could have killed their season. It's like you know.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Where the guy hits three jackpots in in de Niro
saying you're either in on it or you're too stupid.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
No, the difference either way, you're fired.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Right, that's a great like the equivalent of basketball of
like a ref watching a ball go through the net
and then being like out misshot, like not don't count it?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Like what are we talking about?

Speaker 6 (12:58):
There's a completed pass the boundary of play. Like we've
watched football all our lives. Everybody knows that the clock
still runs there.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I think you're right, though, Todd, even even in doing
it like not enough has been made of it, not
enough has been And then there's the category, the traditional
Dumbo of the week crap category, which is coaching, which, like,
there are so many picks, I don't know what your
favorite is. The most recent was Raheem Morris on Monday Night,
where I mean Raheem Morris thing was incredible because well,

(13:33):
first of all, there was a couple. There was a
couple here, right, Raheem Morris decided on and we'll give him.
I know he's a defensive coach by trade, but he
used to be an offensive coach also at times. But
the Falcons about say the Hawks. Falcons had the ball
with two minutes left in the game, third and six,
They're up six points. The Raiders have no timeouts, let none,

(13:54):
So what do you do? You should probably run the
football because that takes off forty seconds. And then even.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
You forgot one of the things. The Raiders don't have
a functional National Football League offense as well. That's one
other thing to put in there, that is correct.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
But even even with a non functional quarterback, right, you
still play the forty seconds off the clock. And by
the way, maybe you get five and a half yards
and you go fourth and fourth down whatever, Nope, they
decided to pass incomplete. It's fucking incredible, and the Raiders
get the ball down to the thirty five yard line
where Desmond ritterd does throw a pick in the end zone.

(14:29):
But I mean, they could win the game because of that.
Stupid That's just the latest. There were others during the
week as well, Todd, do you.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Have a.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I forget? There were so many. I just I just
totally like blank. There were so many.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Tomlin punting down fourteen with ten minutes to go, fourth
and seven from plug, that was nice story.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Where was that out of the field? I want to
go right.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Where it was.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Tomlin punting down fourteen. It was just over ten minutes
left in the game. And the Steelers never saw the
ball again, never saw the ball. Try to think we're
probably forgetting one. Thanks were making me do the research here.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Todd, you didn't like the Campbell on side kick.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
I didn't love it, but I had not a major
issue with it.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
I didn't hate the Campbell on sidekick, But what it
is is a continuation of my Dan Campbell theory, which
is he has no fucking idea what he's doing. Like
people give him all this credit for Oh Dan Campbell,
Hugh Todd, by the way, I'm Dan Campbell.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
Look, I just want to be straight with you guys.
I got I'll be able to look you guys in
the eye, and I got to tell you the truth.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
About the oddside kick.

Speaker 7 (15:36):
Applebee's paid me because we're playing the Bills in an
endless points ball game. They said it would be great
if we could have an endless wings and endless points game,
and that way we could promote I'm just being straight
with you guys in here about the wings. They're endless,
they're boneless, and their endless. We can get even the

(15:59):
more endless wings and points.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
So that's and that's what he does with four downs, right,
He's gotten the point whip.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
I love.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I love when team's going fourth down. I love it
because analytically a lot of times it sound right and
this is a great development in football. But Dan Campbell
is almost trying to live up to this reputation of
I gotta go for it every time because of the endling.
So with the onside kick, though, it's just an extension
of that, which.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Is all right.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
I can't keep the Bills off the field, so I'm
gonna kick an onside kick. Okay, fine, I have no
problem with that. I get it. You you can't stop them.
But if you did it, then the next time you
came within ten, you didn't do it right. So it
just again feeds into my theory of he's just kind
of doing it off the fly. And I think that
by the way, he did admit he regretted it, so

(16:47):
maybe he himself was like, yeah, I got but I
always say I was like, this is gonna haunt them
in some game in the playoffs, and as you pointed out,
will it already did last year in the NFC. Can't
be right. They were like what every time they went
for it, they they botched it.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
And I think he was.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Too conservative in the first half of that NFC championship
and he punted when they shouldn't have. And so ever
since then he's like, I'm going for it every time
and listen wing.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
So anyway, I went with fourth and seven from the
plus forty six with ten forty to go down fourteen.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
My goodness. By the way, I just wanted to know
what you guys think. I feel like every year in
the NFL, when a team is doing amazing early season
and they kind of peak too early. I feel like
the Lions feel like that team to me, that team
that would looked like a juggernaut and oh, the Lions
are gonna win the super Bowl. The Lions of the
DA DA DA Lions, Lions. We love the Lions. The

(17:43):
Lions are amazing, and you seem to peak too early
and then all the injuries come and then your whole
season falls apart. It feels like that's going to happen
to the Lions this year. I don't know if you
guys feel the same, but that feels like that. It's
the injury certainly feels possible.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's the injuries, like you can't think I think that
can save them.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I think if they can get the one, they can
kind of catch their breath and get the buy and
then you know, get two home games and then it's
just such a short path to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
Head you win one home game, you're home for the
NFC title game.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
If they can get the one, they'll have a shot.
If they don't get the one, I think they're dead.
I don't think they're a real contendent with that defense.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Yeah, they I feel like when we normally say that
though Todd like they peaked too early. It's usually like I,
I don't think they're dealing with most of those teams
aren't dealing with the just epidemic of injuries now that
is racking up for the for the Lions on that
side of the bat. Like if that, I think that's
the director reason. If we see them kind of stumble here,
it's going to be on the on that defensive side,

(18:39):
and just all the injuries racking up.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I'm sure we're forgetting somebody, but we've got to move on.
Got to move on. Just dumbos everywhere, players, coaches, refs.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
All right, I have a couple.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Just real quick. So the the this is what I
would label the too cute for being too cute and
screwing yourself, let's put it that way. I'm watching the
Steelers Eagles game. It's three nothing Eagles. The Steelers can't
move the ball, the Steelers can't do anything. They get
a fumble. Now I'm begging the Steelers to get a

(19:16):
touchdown to go up seven to three so I can
come back and roll a gigantic bet on the Eagles,
because I know there is no chance the Steelers are
winning this game. Okay, the Steelers are so inept on
offense now without pickings and against the Eagles that all
they can muster as a field goal, so the line
doesn't even come down. The d game people are getting smarter.
They saw what I saw and they didn't move it

(19:36):
down either. Really, So at that point, I'm thinking to myself,
should I play the Eagles at like minus seven there
or should I play Steelers first half team total under
nine and a half because I'm thinking the Steelers can't
get a touchdown in the first half. I mean, this
is ridiculous. So I take Steelers Eagles, Steelers under nine
and a half team total, so a touchdown beats me,

(19:58):
but I'm not worried about it because I don't think
the Eagle. The Steelers can drive on the Eagles well,
third and eight or third and goal from the eight
or nine yard line and Wilson throws the fire mouth.
I don't know how Fiarmuth caught the ball because the
guy's hand was on the ball knocking it down somehow. Okay,
so I lose the bet. I also made a bet
on Eagles minus seven as well, but that didn't really
ended up being a one and one when it could

(20:18):
have been just a one to zero. Just do the
smart thing. You know, the Eagles are winning this game.
You don't need to get too cute. See with the
team total on the Steelers and everything, you knew the
Eagles were going to dominate this game. Just do that,
you know. And so I turn what would have been
a great winning situation. I did have the under at halftime, because,
by the way, that if there's ever a case for

(20:40):
the under of a game where it was seventeen thirteen
at the half and you're thinking, well, seventeen thirteen that's
a lot of points, it wasn't for real points. I
mean they were both averaging like four yards of play,
and I took under fifty three and a half at
the half and not easily cashed. But anyways, I guess,
just you know, put this one under. Don't be so
cute sometimes and just do what the easy thing, and
you don't have to get off fancy.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
I like it all right. Anybody have a best bet?
On Thursday? In the football Chargers in the Broncos tonight,
Chargers favored by two and a half. I believe consensus
with resensus total, we had forty one earlier this morning.
I know what it is right now, by the way.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
We can say it's mainly forty one's out there.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
You see the complaints on Twitter. People are upset that
you guys were hackling so much on the numbers.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Yeah, oh, I didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I associated myself.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
I do.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
You guys.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
I was here, you guys.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I mean, even if it's forty one, I thought it
was forty one and a half. But I thought, even
if it's forty one, I'll take the under forty one.
The first time these two teams played was before bon
Knicks really seemed to show that he could play a
little bit offense. Uh, And I went back and looked
at that game. It was basically the Charge the Chargers
getting two long touchdown drives or i'm sorry, touchdown drive,

(22:07):
a long field goal drive to go up ten nothing,
then again another field goal drive and a fifty five
yard touchdown drive to go up twenty nothing. And then
at that point it was just you know, play the game.
Out of the final was twenty three to sixteen, but
that was not indicative. The game really was kind of
dominated by the Chargers defense. I want to go under
here because last week the Broncos won that game, and

(22:30):
it was really not a Broncos win. If Jonathan Taylor,
I guess you mentioned it briefly, but the epidemic of
not running into the end zone with the football, I
don't know why that's so hard to do. I mean,
you've put your whole life on the line, You've taken
a zillion hits in your career, and now you finally
get to the end zone and you drop the vault

(22:52):
at the one yard. It's like something psychologically wrong there.
But anyways, it would have been twenty to seven. I
believe Colts if that touchdown goes and the Denver isn't
gonna win that game because Denver wasn't doing anything on
offense that whole game. Basically, the Colts gave them that game.
I didn't was not impressed with the Denver offense, and

(23:12):
I feel like maybe they're starting to figure out the
the Peyton you know, smoking mirrors Denver offense. I mean,
it was never great, but I just feel like the
Chargers defense is going to be good enough to slow
them down. And on the Chargers side of the ball,
there's no one to throw the ball to. I don't
care who you are. I don't care how athletic they are.

(23:34):
I don't care what they look like. There's no one
to throw to. Disley's hurt. The mcconkeys easy, but play easy,
not playing. I don't care that even with all those guys,
there's not any good guys. I mean, there's good guys,
but there's no great guys. There's not enough on offense
for the Chargers. And you saw Chargers could only get
seventeen against Tampa. Tampa's not good on defense. That's an

(23:59):
indictment of your offense, which we were never even I
don't think anybody here was like really that excited about
the Chargers offense. We just think, look, Herbert's a great talent,
but there's no one to throw to. They can't really
block him up real well. And now you go to
the Aus Dobbins to come on, there's no offense here.
The Broncos defense is their strong side of the ball.
So give me the under forty one here, divisional matchup.

(24:20):
They know each other like you know, everybody knows each other.
There's not gonna be a tricks here. With fun games
ending nineteen seventy under forty one of Broncos Chargers tonight.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Sorry, Todd, I actually made the case for the under
in this game on the radio side this morning. So
I'm with you. It's not gonna be one of my bets.
But you know the Herbert injury right ill. He had
a two point six percent scramble rate with a clean pocket,
according an Action Network, compared to just over ten percent
when pressured. Broncos a good pressing they allow the lowest

(24:55):
explosives they rate in the end. Also, Julia McLoughlin not
and McLoughlin not in for Denver. Chargers are better against
the past their seventh best DVOA than they are against
the run, which they're sixteenth in terms of run defensive DVOA.
There's just a lot of stuff. And by the way,
bo Nix is way worse against Zoo defenses than it's

(25:18):
Manna man and the Chargers play zone. So I'm with you, like,
it's not low enough. If anything, it's an under.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
This is one of my picks too. I'm on the
under as well.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Wow by three there okay for me, but I gotta
I want to play something else.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
I actually think I'm gonna get involved in this game too.
I know we talked about it a bit this morning.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Gil.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Look, it's been all Denver. I waited too long. I
mean we're off the three word to two and a
half's now. But I actually think this is how I'm
going to, uh sort of creatively get off of my
Browns position from earlier in the week and do a
teaser with teasing up Broncos and teasing down the Bengal.
So I think I will be involved in this. I
like the Denver side everything you guys just said about.

(26:04):
I expect this to be low scoring. Denver defense has
been great. You look at what this Chargers you were
talking about, Todd. I mean, this Chargers offense has fallen
off a cliff too. And you're talking the past five weeks.
Haven't gained over three hundred total yards in any of
those games when it was looking good earlier in the
earlier in the year, when you were able to run
the ball a little bit more easily limited wide receivers.
Going up against one of the better defenses in the NFL,

(26:27):
I think this will be tight. I think it will
be lower scoring. I would agree with the under, but
I'm gonna tease up Broncos probably eight and a half.
I think that's a good teaser leg this week.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Just to add a few more things to the under here,
I will say this, Todd, this might be a good
third quarter under too, maybe even a first quarter under.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
The seven and a half is todd.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
We've had some success playing those third quarter unders where
they're not trying to beat the clock to score at
the end of the third quarter. But look the Chargers
Hardball and Painting, for that matter, both old school coaches,
both not afraid to run the ball, and Hardball probably
looks at hey, my quarterbacks beat up, Let me run
the ball. Payton says, hey, my quarterbacks stunt last week.
Maybe he's regressing a little bit.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Let me run the ball.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
So I think you'll see a lot of carries in
this game. And I just think this is a closer,
more conservative game plan. I do like the under as well,
and if you do, like the Chargers to win this game.
The Broncos have not clinched the playoffs spot yet. They
go at Cincinnati next week. Cincinnati's got a very winnable
game at home against Cleveland. It could come down to
Week eighteen, where Denver has to beat Kansas City to

(27:24):
get in or hope Pittsburgh beats since he I mean,
it's a long shot, but it's not impossible. Denver is
plus six to fifty to miss the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
They're not out of the woods.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
This also per Action Network. I can't remember gentlemen's name,
but I gave him a shout out today on Nick
Giffen numbers game Denver, Thank you. Denver puts up just
thirteen point two points per game on sixteen point three
expected in five games they played against top thirteen defenses,
of which the Chargers are won by the way, compared

(27:57):
to when they play worse defenses, they outperformed that thirty
points versus twenty seven point five expected points per game
in the other nine games. So they're definitely a team
that rises and falls based on the competition. So, I mean,
there's a lot of things for the for the young
under as low ober it, there's a lot of data
for that. Okay, Kelly, your first best bet, sir, well,

(28:20):
I guess that's stretch updates. You have a sach update
from Twitter is not going, YouTube is working fine, update
You're update.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
So so if you found us on YouTube, good job
standing there. Sorry for everybody scrambling on Twitter, right now, yeah,
I guess I'll use that teaser, but I will go
to a teaser would be my teaser.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I guess for the week.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
I'm gonna go Giants Falcons under forty What are we
at now? Forty two and a half.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
By the way, Kelly, just so you know, we're not
at the teaser portion of the show yet we do
the save it.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
I'm saving it. I'm humping the I'm saving Todd right.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
I don't like the shame the guests.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'm just busting Kelly's balls a little bit.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
You know, all I did was answer if I was
involved in the Thursday night game. And now now I'm
I'm hitting the I'm hitting the pause button, saving that
teaser for the teaser portion. You're right, thought, Okay, all right,
I gonna go yeah, Giants Falcons under forty two. I
know the Giants are like, got nobody on defense right now,
and they're rolling out So they're rolling out names this week.
I was listening to adamtureed Off this morning talking about

(29:26):
you're rolling out names and you like you haven't even
heard of before. They will be playing in the secondary
this week, but still we're talking about Drew Locke Michael
Pennix Junior getting his very first start with this team
like this is. I think this has got ugly game
written all over it. Offensively, defensely. I don't understand how
either either one of these sides is gonna put up
big points unless the Falcons are just running all over

(29:47):
New York, which they might be able to. I think
under forty two and a half is a good look
this week in that game.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
All right, Todd, you already gave one, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
I was just interested in the fact that Penix was
at Costco about to eat a hot dog, and then
when he heard that he was going to be the starter,
he decided he wasn't hungry, and I was wondering if
I could maybe just be named the starter every week
and then I wouldn't be hungry. Speaking of which, it's
now been twelve days that I haven't eaten carbs. So
let's not all go. You know, you know it's my

(30:19):
favorite line, Harvey, Harvey, Harvey. Let's not stuck at each
other's dicks just yet. But it you know, it is
a it is a start, it's something, it's something. It's
nothing great, it's nothing big, And I'm always a failure
in this area of life. I've lost over under bounds
six times, but it's twelve days with no carbs, which

(30:42):
is good.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
How much have you lost?

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I'm you know, I'm not concerned about that, but i
will tell you I've lost about nine pounds because I'm
not really exercising really yet. But if I if I
would have been exercising, I would have lost more. But
I'm not even worried about that so much as you know,
I don't want my hands in my feet to hurt
from diabetes because I'm eating shit and that was starting
to happen again. So you know, it's just a it's

(31:07):
a good So if an NFL team wouldn't mind naming
me the starter, so I would get not hungry right
before I have, you know, a fall, that would be
great too.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
It's hard to want to Costco not eat anything, though,
Like come on, like that's Costco. You could go there
and eat a whole lunch. It's fantastic.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
I think I've never had a Costco hot talk. Are
they actually good? Are they just cheap?

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Okay, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
The issue is not getting the haunted though. Kelly is
exactly right. What you do is you go in there,
and there's like samples galore if you go at the
right time and you can just pop sample after sample
after sad you can literally have a whole lunch there
with just going to the stand as long as you're
not affairs to go back for more. And the ladies
there they don't they don't shame you too badly, so
it's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah, just bring your own play with you, good to go.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
The lineup for the hot dogs in the Costco in
San Francisco is way too long to deal with, way
too long. You're just like, I want one, but I'm
not waiting for this long.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
That yeah, for any on the planet, how long are
you willing to wait? Like? How many people in line?
You know what I mean? Like, I think if there's
more than three people in a live for a hot dog,
I'm like, all right, I'm moving on, moving on with
my life depends.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
By the way, how many how many uh double choungs
are Penix headlines? Did you read this week? Pennix inserted
into the lineup?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
I saw a bunch of those Pennix thrust deep into
the Falcons playoffs.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Fenix thrust into the lineup. There was a lot of that.
There was totally a lot of that. Yeah, that's my
will and you and Will have a.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Pick, right, everybody's giving a pick at your turn, Gillies.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
I'm gonna take the under also in the games. Then
I'll just do the snake here here, so that's gonna
be one of mine.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Also, you're having mic issues, Gilly for some reason. I'm
not sure why.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
You're major delay and I think.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Some really problems. Yeah, I mean you weren't early in
the podcast. I would say in the last five percent
of the podcast, you've been causing problems.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
I've been causing problems about now still plugged it and
come back. I'm gonna exit and come back.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Oh, I know you sound good now? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Oh you know what it was because I was charging
my laptop.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
You can you think you can sneak that charger by
that charge or whatever charger, There's.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
No way that makes any technical sense whatsoe after I
will make any bet right now with the other two
guys on here that we have problems in the next
ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
As soon as I charge my laptop, Mike buzzes.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Or I go in to lay you just had problems?
Are you charging?

Speaker 1 (34:00):
No, I'm not charging. Let me just go out and
come back.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Yeah that might actually, that might actually work, all right,
talking about.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
We did one, everybody did. Yeah, it's Skilly's turn again.
He's frozen three of us on the under right now,
you guys, Yeah, that's not gonna go. Well, they loaded
up on the over.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
It's too obvious turns for touchdowns to start the game.
Is there a profit on that sowhere?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I already know.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
We're totally losing it. We're totally losing alright. Number two
is I'm taking the Bears. I'm taking the Bears. Real,
what's the point? Yeah, I'm taking the six and a
half against the Lions. It's for I mean, a lot
of the reasons we said, right, it's a it's it's
a spate of injuries, as you know, what's the word

(34:52):
I'm looking for, choppy as Caleb's play is by the way,
he's got to get rid of like he's just like
it's the whirling dirty football. Just throw it, dude.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
I just think that the.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Bears are good enough to stay within the number here.
I don't you know, I don't know what the weather is.
I should probably check the weather. The colder the better,
If Jared Goff still has a cold weather problem, I thought, yeah,
which you know, I don't know if it plagues him anymore,
but the Lions are not used to playing outdoors. This
used to be a bugaboo for golf early in his career.

(35:27):
There was that famous Monday night or not. Yeah, I
think it was a Monday night game in Chicago. Was
like thirty two degrees and Jared Goff looks like he
looked like he wanted to die out there. California, kid,
it's just a lot of give me the Bears plus
the wind. I will have to endure it, but I'll

(35:48):
take the Bears plus the boys. That seems like too
many to me. Six and a half, which brings us
to Willie for number two.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
This was one of mine too. I don't want to
have the same card as you, so I might just switch.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
It up to her do it. Yeah, this is what Drew.
This is what Drew was talking about though, Like all
the value is on the crap teams this week for
a hard week to deal with.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I want to take the Browns. I'm tempted as hell
to take dtr.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
But Kelly and I did. We both bet the Browns
and I got off it as soon as because we
didn't think we d TR thing was real. Why are
they playing him?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Well, it seems like the other quarterback likes to throw
the ball to the other team.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
I get that, I do understand, I do understand.

Speaker 6 (36:35):
But he also finds his own players in the end zone,
which no quarterback on the Browns has been able to
do in three years or whatever. It's insane franchise because
there's gonna be sewed cash strapped from everything you screwed
up with Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
You're gonna start building around d TR. Now, this is
a disaster. You're just you're robbing every NFL fan, you
know what, for every every one of us. It's in
the content business. Anyone who likes to just watch a
fun football game. Jameis Winston's great for football.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
He is. I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Seattle plus the.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
Three here it's three right, no more hooks.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, Seattle's from last week.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Textas Gilda yesterday. I guess just like you know, Patrick
Mahomes and Gno Smith just fine this week. They're just fine.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
They're fine, just fine, They're fine. They're not human. Everything's okay.
By the way, that is the most underrated thing about
Patrick Mahomes is his ability to heal is incredible, off
the chart, no matter what happens. He's like, I'll play.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Both of those guys. When they got up last week,
I was like, all right, see it in a few weeks.
Baby was like, oh no, they're they're back at practice immediately, cool,
got it.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Oh look, I.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Hope Minnesota wins out and gets the one seed. I'd
be very happy about that. But this win streak, I mean,
they could have easily lost to Atlanta. They their defense
down down was not great, Arizona out gaining by two
hundred yards. And it's a lot of Tennessee and Jacksonville
in here, and that's always been a house of horrores
for Minnesota. Going to Seattle. Seele's got good weapons, so
to me, laying points on the road with Minnesota, a

(38:13):
team that's not used to dealing with expectations, they're probably
here in all week. Hey, we're three wins away from
the one seed. I don't know how that is going
to register with them. And this role is a favorite
all a great story. Six and a half win total,
they're sitting here at twelve and two. It's amazing, but
laying three on the road, I think is a bridge
too far. If it's Towel, this bets a disaster. But
if it's Gino, I think it's a good bet. And
I do think it'll be Gino, so I'll take Willie.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
What about the fact that the large men that stand
between the quarterback and the other team seem to forgot
how to blog for the quarterback last week for Seattle?
Does that give you any pause at all? Because I
couldn't believe how bad the pass blocking was, whether it
was Gino or Al in the game, they couldn't block
the Packers. That looked like the Packers were sending fourteen guys.

(38:56):
It was ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
Yeah, it was bad. Do you like Minnesota in this game, Toddy?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
No, No, I'm scared to play Minnesota for the same
reasons that you're talking about. But I just can't get
myself to Seattle with that offensive line looked so horrendous.
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
That's been like their whole season. Though they had an
offensive line, they'd be the second best team in the NFC.
Probably they got everything else, Like it's the defensive couple long.
The offensive weapons are great, The offensive lines but a
disaster the whole year.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, anyways, we'll hope you win, Willie. At this point
I can root for you because you're so far back
in the standings that, you know. I like to root
for the bottom feeders, you know. Anyways, just Minnesota one
and I lost my pick.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
I would to be heartbroken by the way.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Okay, this one. I'm just gonna make this one based
on the laundry Okay, this is a laundry pick. There's
a purple team, there's a black and gold team in that,
and we all knew, and the purple team and a
black and gold team get together. It's gonna be hard
hitting football, and at it's gonna be tight. There ain't

(40:06):
gonna be no you know, Lions against the Rams against
the Bells eight thousand points like it's what is that?
That's not even play, that's arena ball. This is football.
It's gonna be nineteen seventeen because that's the way these
two teams play football. They play it like it was
meant to be played. They go out there and they
kick some ass. Okay, so give me, I mean, come on, look,

(40:31):
I understand the Ravens are not a good team on defense,
but forty five and a half in a Steeler raven game.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Come on, and.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
The first game was eighteen six, and there's no pickings.
That's slim pickings a wide receiver for the Steelers. We
don't got no pickings in that. It's gonna be trouble
on offense. I don't know if YenS are watching last
week's ball game against Eagles. We were not good on offense, folks,
regardless of whether the fact we got the ball or not.
I know we only got the ball twy in the

(41:00):
second half. The bottom line is we're not moving the
ball with that. Pickens with that, and okay, we don't
have him. It's a problem.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
One situation in Baltimore. How much is it for parking?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
It's interesting that you mentioned that, but I don't comment
on parking and other stadiums. I only do acrosure parking
and Rivers casino in that And how much you know,
it's eighty to one hundred depending on the situation unless
you have a black card. But that's a whole nother thing.
Here's where's what I'm saying. I'm going under forty five
and a half. It's a Steeler Ravens game. Get the

(41:32):
hell out of here. It should never be forty five
and a half in a Steeler Ravens game. I mean,
I gave you the stats last time in the hardball
game with the Steelers was like zher to ten or
something with you know, three points or less. I think
the line's also ridiculous, But just give me the under
forty five and a half and I'll get the hell
out with an easy win.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Well done. People were waiting for that well done still
to come. Todd getting signals into his ear and maybe
in Miami Dolphins fight zone, Kelly Snake, you got to
your second and third.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
This is uh, this is why I joined is I
I wanted the Miami Dolphins fight song, right. This is
why this is why I agreed to come today, is
because I wanted to hear that. It's one of the
greatest fight songs just in sports history.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
If you try to prompt him, he doesn't do it.
So just just uh.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yeah, you know how like a dog, if you make
a funny noise, will turn his head, but you try
to get in to do it, they won't do it.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
It's the same thing with Tom.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Am I allowed to go team total here or.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Todd, can you consult the Bilogs.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Please. Everyone knows that you can't go team to Okay.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Fine, fine, I'll just lay the points with the Buccanteers.
How about that. I'm just gonna lay the full three
and a half or four. Okay, yeah, but lay four four.
It's not gonna be a problem anyways, because it gonna
blow out the Cowboys. This offense is one of the
best of the operating like one of the best of
the NFL right now. With the points they're putting up,
I don't think Dallas gonna be able to keep up

(43:03):
with keep up with them at all. We saw Cooper
Rush go into Carolina last week, have a great week. Congratulations.
He looked okay, the week before against the Bengals, looked
okay against the Giants. You're not gonna be able to
keep up. I think, well offensively with what Tampa Bay
is gonna be able to do. So I'll lay the
full four with them on Sunday night. Oh and then

(43:28):
my third and last let's see here, Uh this is
not my teaser, correct, all right, So I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna lay the three.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
We can go back, we can.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Go three rams. The lay three with the Rams this
is what I've been tribbed and battling over all week.
But I'm gonna lay three with the Rams here, the
secondary being beat up for the Jets. What Stafford's been
able to do out outside of that first half of
that month soon last week has been pretty damn impressive
with what this uh, with how this offense has been
moving the ball up and down the field. The Jets,

(44:00):
I honestly, I thought they were gonna be worse the
past couple of weeks. They've been a little bit more
competitive than they thought they were gonna be. I think
a little bit of credit to Aaron Rodgers DeVante Adams
were staying competitive when they easily could have just waved
the white flag on this season. But defense hasn't been
as good. They're getting beat up now. Rams with everything
to play for still, I think we see a higher
scoring game here. But I'm gonna i'll lay the three

(44:21):
with the Rams.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Who is a more loathsome human being, Aaron Rodgers or Doug.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Who is this Rogers? Still he said anybody you and
then they beat him.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Without without having seen all of the Gottlieb stuff. I'll
still confidently answer.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Rogers confident uh, Toddy your last one.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
I have tooth possibility. You know what, I'm just gonna look,
I'm gonna I'm gonna do what I think is the
obvious pick, but it's probably wrong. I got to go
under forty one and a half here in this Kansas
City game. You know, to me, Houston is a under
team in the National Football League. Their offense does not

(45:14):
impress me. I've somehow found a way in the Miami game.
I knew it was going under, and I played the
third quarter under and lost because of a fake punt
and found a way to lose that one even though
it was a dead under. Same thing that happened in
the Chiefs game to me. So it's been really tough
sledding in the NFL last two weeks. But I'll go
under the forty one and a half. I mean, Mahomes
is They're obviously going to be real careful with Mahomes

(45:37):
if he's going to play. Am I wrong in saying
that They're probably not going to let him run around
all over the place and do his Mahomes kind of things?
I would think they were going to play really conservative
here with Mahomes injury, and so that means to me,
you know, just a short passing even more Kansas City
ball control offense, which we already see. So I think
lots of Kansas City ball control offense. I still like

(45:59):
Kansas City's defense, and I think Houston's offense stinks so
and Houston's defense is not that bad. So I know
this line is ridiculously low. I mean, forty one and
a half in today's NFL does sound kind of low.
But you know, I looked at the weather also, I
believe it's going to be when I looked at it before,
it's like thirty low thirties. That's not like real easy

(46:19):
to move the ball in weather. I mean, it's not terrible,
but you know, I just think that it smells like
to me, like an under. I'm going to make this
the underweek I got under Broncos under in the Steelers
and one more under forty one and a half with
the Chiefs in You know, to me, the Chiefs a
great defensive type team. Now they're no longer the high

(46:41):
flying Chiefs. We've talked about that many times, and Houston
is just to me, I don't see it on offense.
I really am not impressed with their offense at all.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
How about you read the Saturday action out a little
bit more. Three college games, two NFL games. I've compared
it to you know, the waiter brings the appetizers and
entrees and the desertions and just kind of throws it
all on the table. You don't know where to start.
I wish I like these Saturday NFL games when they're
kind of on their own.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I think it's just a lot at once.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
But it's first world problems for sure.

Speaker 8 (47:07):
Yeah, Kelly, this morning, it's legitly look at the schedule,
it's legit noon eastern to midnight of what you're going
to have to be prepared to watch football if you're
gonna get taken every college football playoff game and the
NFL games.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, I'm not mentally with you will Yeah, we're not
mentally Yeah, we're.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Not mentally prepared.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah. The Chiefs are thirteen and one. We did our
power rankings. We don't have them top three. They're thirteen
and one and could conceivably right still go fifteen and
two or sixteen and one even, which would make them
the number one seed. But if they would eliminate Buffalo
at that point, how is Andy Reid not the Coach

(47:47):
of the Year. Ever, like, is there a possibility he
could win Coach of the Year with all the other
great candidates if they go sixteen and one, you can't
give it to them, then you're saying you can never
give it.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
To It's really sad guy. So you know, you know,
I've been pushing this narrative so since I mean I
don't know week six. It feels like with Mahome, because
the whole conversation every year with the Chiefs, it's you
can't consider Andy Reid because Mahomes is gonna be in
the MVP race, which makes sense except for, like now
we're in this Chief's era of them having a great
defense and struggling to move the ball offensively, and Andy Reid

(48:20):
should get credit for that problem is I think it's
I think with all the other great candidates out there,
he's maybe drawing dead at this point.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Gil.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
The only thing that could have helped him is if
Patrick Mahomes missed.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
A game or two and they still won.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
And if that was the case, then he's probably skyrockets
to the top of the board.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
So the only way he can win it is if
Patrick Mahomes misses. Let's say two games and they still
go sixteen in one, and even then people are gonna
be like, yeah, but Kevin O'Connell, Dan Campbell, Mike Tomlin,
Sean Payton.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I think if if Mahomes missed this game, which it
doesn't look like it's going to, but if Mahomes missed
this game, a Saturday game, a standalone game, and he
won with Wentz, I think the buzz would really.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
Start to ratchet up.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Unfortunately, doesn't look like we're gonna get That was gonna
be one of my picks. I was gonna takeup win
with Wentz. I thought they would they would win with Wentz.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
But anyways, by the way, will you touched on something
there in the prime time game? This is also why
And I know people think I'm I'm just talking through
my bed, which I do full disclosure. I have a
bet on Lamar Jackson to win MVP. Lamar Jackson of
or what is it now? How many thirty four touchdown
passes and three picks who like is? Apparently people think
has no chance of winning MVP. He has some prime

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time standalone situations like if he performs great, you cannot
tell me the MVP race is over there's no way
if Lamar Jackson plays great and he ends up with
I don't know, forty two touchdown passes in four picks
and let's say thousand yards rushing, it's still Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
It's just Josh Allen's been so incredible though.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
He has been, but I'm just saying, people minus nine
hundred on Josh Allen, stop it.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I think that's a little minus nine. By the way,
did you guys see Gruden telling the story about him
and Andy Reid. I'm trying to get their play into
the into Home Grin's game plan, and he talks about
it's really good. If you haven't seen it, go on
Twitter and find it. It's it's it's really hysterical. It's
it's basically Gruden was a was an assistant and Andy

(50:26):
Reid was an assistant. They were trying to get Home
Grin to call their play in the thing, and it's
a whole it's a really funny story.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
But he's a great storyteller. He's a really good storyteller.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Gruden is does he do it with that face?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Like, yeah, of course he has that face. I love
Frank Caliendo is Gruden too. He's you know why, man,
because I love football.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
I can't start watching the robo. The guy who does
the robo called Chris calls with videos. I know, I
can't stop. I didn't realize he did multiple of Like
when the first time I got set one of them,
I was like, well, this video is hilarious. So then
I like figured out who the guy was or whatever.
I'm like, oh wait, he's done like eighteen of these,
and I'm gonna watch every single one walking around the

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grocery store talking about it like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Jim, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Jim and Collins were was like, here's a guy, here's
a guy. Oh great. The Romo thing has got ridiculous though,
when the uh what was the game where it required
an onside kick recovery? Oh, Detroit Buffalo, and when uh
when Buffalo finally recovered that onside kick the entire time
if you play that back, Romo is like Buffalo recovery

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so bad. That's what he's reduced to me.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
I gotta figure out who this guy is. Go, we gotta,
but we gotta get him on this show just for
like two minutes. They'll be like all you.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Will your last.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
I am going to buck the trend here. I agree
with everything Todd said about Pittsburgh Baltimore. I know these
games are always close and low scoring. I'm actually gonna
lay it with Baltimore. I think Pittsburgh is fake news.
I think without pickings and he did not practice Wednesday,
which is not a good sign for his availability on Saturday.
I just don't know what offense Pittsburgh has, and I
think the trend of these games are always close, always

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low scoring is kind of depressing this line, where this
line should maybe be closer to seven. I just think
Baltimore has heard forever. Hey, Lamar doesn't play well against Pittsburgh.
You know, you guys never beat Pittsburgh when it counts.
You guys never win these big games. Lamar is never
good in these big games. I think Baltimore has a
big effort in them. I think Pittsburgh offense has a ceiling.
I think they're flawed on offense, and I think Watts

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banged up. There's also a couple of injuries defensively for
Pittsburgh in terms of their starters guys banged up.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
I think Baltimore wins this game.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Something like twenty seven to ten, twenty seven to thirteen.
I think Baltimore actually wins.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
With some marginier, So I'll lay it with the Ravens
minus six and a half for the thing.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yes, my last one is just a numbers plan. It's
the only bed I have in my account currently, though
I will add this under tonight here momentarily, I got
the Skins at plus three and a half. Man, I'll
take that hook. It's the it's one of the few
guessing lines.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Wait, has I done your research expect whether the referees
know the rules of the game before the game starts.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I've done that. I will check on if it's the
same crew. This was on guessing lines. I guess three.
I said, like disrespect, and I think it is a
little bit like it should be three. I get it
three and a half. All right, I'll take my chances
for a franchise. And I know this is one of
these things where you go back and you're like it's
a different team. But for whatever reason, Philadelphia, even in

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this iteration with Jalen Hurts, they just have trouble with
watching This is like even pre Jade. They didn't when
they played earlier this year because Philly did that same
thing that they do to every team, which is you
play with him for about a half, maybe even like
into the third quarter, and then they just wear you,
which is again what they did to Pittsburgh this past
week as well. But that is the game script for

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every Eagles game. I think the Skins played them tough.
I think they may even pull off an upset. But
three with the hook absolutely, that's my one.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
But how was the game? That was really tight game
on a Thursday night, wasn't it? And then the Eagles
I think the Eagles were even losing. I won on
that one if I remember, because I had the Eagles
and then the Eagles kind of blew it open. But
it was a much closer game if I remember correctly.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
A lot of Eagles games are that way though, right
like two and acters in you're like, oh, it's nip
and tuck, and then they end up winning. Like Cincinnati
game was like that. They won by twenty one.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Have seven points on the board that game. Remember he
missed two field goals and an extra point. Elliott was
terrible in that game.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, but the Skins left something on the table too.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
We had this Yeah, wait, Gilly, did you have just
to be sure that you had the Bears plus six
and a half? Is that correct? Yeah? Wait, I'm hearing something.
Wait I'm hearing Oh wait, yeah, wait, yes I'm here.
Lions lead twenty four to twenty. The Bears are trying

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not to make the mistake they made on Thanksgiving Day
and try to win this game. Gilly looks like he's covering.
There's a guy named Gil Jim that we might have
both heard of, but that has Bears plus six and
a half. Okay, here back to pass when.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Joe he's just saying the.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Balls fumbled, Oh my god, this could be the last one.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
They're just must have fallen, and Jim know they're going
to run it back.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
They're the finals gonna be thirty one to twenty. I
don't believe in NFL they've usually just falling the ball now,
but this guy's gonna run it all the way back and.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Die. Jim is purple middic doctor on this stead so great,
all right, which brings us to our teaser. Kelly, what
was your teaser again? Because you said it fifty times

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at the beginning? What was it again?

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Broncos Bengels, Broncos Begels is my uro teaser? This week.
Take the Broncos up to eight and a half, Bengels
down to one and a half with against legendary quarterback
Doory at tops and Robinson on the other side for
the Cleveland Browns. I like that one.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Dodd.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
You okay, you catch your breath, all right.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I have to take a moment. I have to. I
have to take a moment. Why don't you guys do
your teasers first.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I don't even know what I didn't even know what
happened in the game, but I figure I lost that.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
What happened again, It was twenty twenty on the on
the last play of the game, and the Bear was
trying to get a touchdown. The Bears fumbled the ball,
and usually they just fall on the ball and the
game would have been over. You would have covered. But
for some reason the guy decided to run it back
and he lost thirty.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
It results significant to some will.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
I will use the Broncos tonight. All the reasons we
talked about should be close, should be low score. I
don't see anyone really getting margin, barring you'll turnovers something
like that.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
So I'll go.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Broncos plus eight and a half and I'll double dip
on the Ravens. I don't think they're losing this game
to the Steelers. So Broncos plus eight and a half
Ravens of minus a half to be Steelers.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I'm on the Ravens teaser side as well, or Shizzle,
and I am going to give up my card by
going non longer again, and I'm gonna take the Skins
plus the nine and a half forget you stand for long.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
There's not a lot of options this week, right bro,
just the morning does listen to this podcast.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
With you tomorrow?

Speaker 5 (57:48):
You're gonna be fa.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
You might get tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
What do you think about the fact that Phasik thinks
he can take you down in ten? What do you
think about that?

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I think that here, you know a wise guy. You
should talk to him about whether three and a half
minus ten or minus four plum plus twenty seven is
better than plus three and a half. But when he's
being a tennis scout, he has not hit his best
and he does not understand that he's not good and
that I don't even have to play tennis to beat him.

(58:18):
I can just slap the ball to his backhand with
a little bit of spin on a low slice, and
he can't do anything about it. Even at three hundred
and twenty four pounds, I beat him, and that's an
embarrassment to the game. You've got to be able to
hit the ball back. And if a fatso can just
slice the ball to your backhand and you can't get
it back, how are you going to compete? I just

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don't get it.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Oh, do you want to chime in?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
All right?

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Final to question a backup fees real quick with my
with the same Jamis rant. Jamis is great for the NFL,
phasic is great for Twitter. Okay, just let him go
about is three and a half's right? He almost blew
up the whole site the other day.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Jeez, he hasn't figured. I mean, there's nothing he loves
more than discussing whether three and a half or four
and how many sense you should take and all. It's
just like it's the best and then the arguments that
ensue are always good. Alsome right, I'm gonna go with uh,

(59:19):
I'm gonna go yeah, we skipped me. I'm gonna I
kind of want to take I kind of like the
Bengals too, But I just feel snake bit by that
one and a half thing last week. I guess I'll
go with, uh, you know what, I'll go with the
Jaguars up to eight? Is that right?

Speaker 5 (59:38):
Not a bad one? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Are you doing the Jaggars? Are you doing the Jaguarars?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Jaguars plus eight? Just because the Raiders. I don't know
if you guys have been watching this football, but the
Raiders offense, it's just it's hysterical. It is literally, I mean,
I don't understand what these guys. But Desmond Rider was terrible.
Don't get me wrong. I knew he was gonna stink
in the NFL because I remember him at Cincinnati. He
was a guy who would go back to bass and

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then just run for fifty yards. He wasn't going to
be an NFL. But I remember him at the Falcons.
He was. I mean, he was passable slightly. Whatever happened.
Same thing with how how was not great with the Redskins,
but I saw him do some nice dudes once in
a while.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Looked like I saw Howell looked like he didn't practice.
You're right, I couldn't. I couldn't believe how bad.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Now, granted they weren't blocking for him either, but still,
how looked like if you could line him up, he
wouldn't be able to complete a pass if you gave
him fifty chances. That's how bad it was. I couldn't
believe it. And the same thing with Riddor. Ridder looks
like he's regressed from his time in Atlanta, which wasn't great,
don't get me wrong, but he had some moments, you know,
he looked so bad to me, it's unbelievable. So I'll

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take the Jaguars plus the eighth because that Raider team
is just hysterical to watch. And UH, and I'll take,
you know what, I'll take the uh. I'll take so tough.
I'm gonna take the I'm gonna go with Kelly Bengals
minus one and a half. I don't see dtr doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
I love it where he said, Wait, Kelly, what you
say as I say, Raiders home field gets at least
like a point boost this week though with it be
at Jacksonville on the road. I mean, there's telling like
there's Jacksonville fans flying to Vegas for this game.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
If you're Jacksonville and it's the end of a dead
season and you're in Vegas for the weekend, are you
are you all buttoned up?

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
Or you maybe, uh, you know, visiting delishus time. Yes,
that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Well, now listen the uh that todd what you said
there where you're like, I don't know if you guys
watch this football one of the many great Toddisms through
the year, like maybe your smartest comment because all of
the weeks, all this ship that we talk about week
to week is weak. This is right up with you

(01:01:51):
saying by bitcoin ETFs and whatever other at the things
you said in the past, But you said, we we
just watch more football games and these coaches do. That's
why they fuck this stuff up because they're so locked
into their X as a ode, right, and they don't
watch situational football like we do because we watch a
billion games. I always think about that to this day.

(01:02:12):
I'm like, you're probably right. It probably comes down to that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Well, how much time do you think these guys have
time to be watching all the games? There's no way
they do. No.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah, but you also say that if they gave you
a year and a half, you'd be better offensive coordinator
than all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Now, I would be, and and I think you would
be also. I hate to break it to you, I
mean you wouldn't be as good as me, but you
could probably be a middle of the road offensive coordinator.
I would be an elite one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
It's gilly, it's not as Why why wouldn't I be
as good as you? Because you you had.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
You don't expect. Look, the fact that you're not at
an elite elite level doesn't mean you're not elite. You
could still be elite, just not elite elite. It's not
your fault. But my point is his stuff is not
it's not rocket science. If you watch them break down
the the film, you know, and you start to understand
how that all works and the language of it, you

(01:03:10):
start to realize it's not rocket science. Guys. It sounds
like rocket science. There's progressions, there's defensive you know, it's
not rocket science. Okay, anybody like me or you, who
is a very smart guy. I'm not talking about Will Hill.
I'm talking about me or you. It's a whole it's
not it's not a year, it's not more than a
year and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
So let me get this straight. Jews versus nine, is
that what you're saying? Users?

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
None the the I'm a renounced you one second, I'm
a renounced you. Put that in the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Book I do agree with you, though that they do.
They do make it sound much more complicent, like that's
a scissors concept right there that they just ran, which
is literally two guys going like that right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
The watch them talk about them.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
It's not rockets science. Trust me. I guarantee you. The
options market and how do you be a market maker
on the floor of the New York Commodity Exchange is
about eight billion times more complicated than NFL coaching offensive coordinator.
So if I could master that, I certainly can master this,
and you as well. Again, will I'm not sure. Let's

(01:04:22):
leave him on WNBA commenting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
I remember Terry Bradshaw saying it's not nearly as complicated
as people make it seem.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
A guy was open. I threw it to him. That's
all you need to.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Know, the guild that the actual wording. You on the
actual wording, though, this is like what this what I
always say about like the lawyer, like like the the
legally's words out there where you're just like, this word
is far more complicated. They're just using it just so
lawyers can use it and then make it and then
get to say you have to go to law school
to practice and then be able to use this kind

(01:04:52):
of language. We can just go look up these words
and you're like, well, you could have just substituted an
easier word. So yeah, I Gill, it's a lot of that, man,
it's a lot of that Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Pursuant to the pursuant to what we've already discussed, not
one of the things that we weren't planning. It's now
time for the final two questions, that kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
But by the way, before you do the final two questions,
a guy like Andy Reid could have also worked on
the option market making uh, you know floor as well.
That guy's a very break and you see that's why
he runs rings around the other guys, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
But anyways, well you say that too that I had
to relive his life. He should have been on Wall Street, Like,
why are you bothering with this?

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I mean, he's so ridiculous. He's a numbers guy to
the If anything, he should have been a bond trader
on Wall Street. If he's just trying to maximize earnings,
the football is just stupid for him to be involved with.
It's just them.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
I don't know, I don't know everything about that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
World.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
But when you're in Vegas and you you know all
of the in and the outs, you get free muffins
at certain spots, and I don't know if the other
places you get the free muffins.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Also, we do have to tip our and ten dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Every drinks every day. Fasick has figured out how to
maximize the free things you can get in Vegas better
than any human being alive, including my friend Jake, who
can drive the manager crazy at Starbucks for his eight
dollar thing even though he's worth eight million dollars. So
he has you know, he has done something that no

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one has. He's gone places where no one is as
far as maximizing free comps.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Also, also Physick, would he have if he were on
Wall Street? Would he jump on Twitter just slamming other
Wall Street people?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Idiot Jerome Pile doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
This Quarner point, It's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Final two, Final two questions. Final two questions of each
and every megapod since its inception as the Betting Dork
over a decade ago. Question Number one, Which of the
big favorites in your opinion is the most likely to lose? Outright,
here are your candidates. Ravens six and a half point
favorites hosting the Steelers, Bengles seven and a half point

(01:07:05):
favorites hosting are Lead Brownies Lions six and a half
point favorites on the road against the Bears. Bill's fourteen
point favorites at home against the Patriots. God, there's a lot.
Falcon with Pennix eight and a half point favorites at
home against the Giants. Is that the last one? That
is the Latin No Green Bay? You got Monday? Fourteen

(01:07:29):
point favorites at home against the Saints, which is going
to be a very popular survivor pick for those who
have it. Kelly likely to lose, outright, Sir.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
I will go with the Atlanta Falcons, because should we
all be so shocked to favor rookie quarterback at his
first start. Just looks like a rookie quarterback and his
first start. So yeah, I'll go with that one. As
bad as the Giants are, I will say Atlanta Falcons.
I would not be surprised if that happens.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
I think that's the correct answer. I'm gonna say Falcons too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
I like just also because the Falcons aren't a real
football team. The coach is I don't know what Raheem's doing.
You know, he just doesn't have it together. He might
probably a very good coach in other ways, but he
just does not He does not engender confidence. I could
easily see them losing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
The thing is like we were talking about how the
coaches do that, but like I was watching, I had
Memphis in that college football bowl game the other night
playing where they playing West Virginia. Yeah, just playing West Virginia.
And and the kid on Memphis gets the game clinching interception.
All he has to do is go down, but instead
he's like, let me see if let me see if
I can if there's an opening, maybe I'll go touchdown,

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just for gig. And of course he gets the ball
knocked out, right, but they go to review, and right
before he gets the ball knocked out, he goes. Finally,
after like five seconds, he goes into a slide. And
Kirk Morrison, the color guy, legitimately says at the end,
swear to God, he goes, what that's what saved him.
That guy was smart enough to go into a slide.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
What as I said before, the football, watching the football, coaching,
the football announcing these are not your men's members, folks,
these are not your men's members. But whenever that happens,
I always remember the Schottenheimer against I think it was Belichick.
And was it a playoff game where the same thing happened.

(01:09:24):
Whether the Chargers guy intercepted it would have ended the game,
but he tried to run and he fumbled the ball.
Was that Schottenheimer against Belichick a long time ago? Yeah,
I'll never forget that one because I believe it was
a playoff game.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
I was the fourteen and two San Diego team and
Shottenheimer got fired after that. I'm pretty sure that's the one.
Twenty two thousand and seven. I actually think Atlanta wins.
The Giants are just terrible. I think Pennix pounds the
Giants with a big.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
Effort as I Gil picked up on it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Bears, I think I think the Lions could be in
some trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
Bears will give them hard time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
I think silly boys.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
And then the last question, All right, let's say we
lived in a bizarre world. You were forced to bet
a side on every game this week, but you were
allowed one free pass one game that you wouldn't bet
with the other person's money. What is the game you want?

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
No part of Hilly Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
The Tennessee Titans and Indianapolis Colts have fun with that.
Rest of world side total props everything. I got nothing
to that kidding out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
I will go And there's plenty of options here in Arizona, Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Here you can oh, that's mine, that's mine. Will Arizona
Carolina enjoy people figure that one out. Arizona like five
point favorites on the road, Totty, one more.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Question, Todd, Yeah, I don't. I don't. There's so many
of these games that I don't really want to be
a part of it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
N to do is pick one, which is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Niners and Dolphins. I don't like. Willy is mad that
I didn't make him an offensive coordinator. Okay, maybe in
three years when he could get you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Can make him a wide receivers coach.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Look today, right now, I would put him on w
NBA Countdown and making the pregame announcer to to all
the you know pregame show where they're gon have Kaitlyn Clark.
Kaitlyn Clark coming up at seven o'clock on k w
NBA Countdown with Willie Willie.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
Tell us a little bit about how of which you
guys see the outrage over Kaitlyn Clark getting her jersey announcement.
It was retired too soon and all these other players
had to wait, so she should have to wait.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
That was the latest one wait that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
You guys sent me during the show this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
They're retiring her jersey. I guess Iowa does this really?
They had some other player where they retired the year after,
and look, they're not selling any tickets, so it's a
way to get I think the cheapest tickets, like five
hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Why wouldn't I a wad? Why wouldn't I will retire jersey?
Why do people have problems with that?

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Well, I think the amount of time is what I
would bring up. But if we'll saying they've done this before,
then yeah, then there's already press it. Who cares.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
It's not like they're retiring her w NBA number. They
retired to Jersey at Iowa where she finished playing basketball,
and change the game, like.

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
We're gonna say, make a load of money, isn't that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Yeah? Oh my god, more people watch. I still can't
believe more people watched the w I mean the NCAA
Girls Championship game, then the men's championship game. When when uh,
when Purdue played Yukon last year, that that to me,
that that is the most what what odds would you

(01:12:40):
ever give that if I told you that the fifty
years previous, would you ever say that a women's w
nca game would you have a It would be impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
That's how impactable.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
And you got two one seats too in the men's game.
It's not like it was, uh, you know Florida Atlantic
for San Diego staateis I mean you got Juggernaut Verus Juggernaut,
you got Edy, got the two big men, and it
was Yeah, it's incredible. I will I will venture guests
that will not happen again this year. Just just a
wild guess.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
The wild guess. And Kelly and I were talking about
how the W not the WNB, the NBA ratings have plummeted,
have have like been cut in half, and it's like
Adam Silver's got to rob man for the game up somehow,
He's got to come up with some gimmick of some
kind or some limb.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
They have the gold Golden shooter. You get one shot
worth twenty points. At the end of the game, the
golden shooter that would be.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
You know what they you know what has been floated
a blinking arm for like it counts four points when
like the ark, oh Jesus or some ship.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
But that's even worse than there'd be even more three
point shots. The problem is there's too many three point shots.
Why would they want to make more three point shots?

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
And the problem is there's a handful of problems and
it's just not a fixed all. I think it's the
lack of American stars. I think it's a lot. The
load management was a toothpaste you can't put back, and
it's a number of different things.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
I think you're going to replace the bron Curry and
KD are getting older and they're going to retire, and
you're replacing that with Jokic and Doncic and Whims. Yeh honest.
So you have non Americans who are the base of
the sport. Is the American sport fan down with that

(01:14:20):
kind of but not really. I think we're learning the
answer anyway. Yeah, he's done all we can do.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
I think this year. I think it's a great point
on the I mean the load management stuff. I think
everybody's gotten used to complaining about. But the fact that
you've seen that we've now gotten to this year and
you've seen the seventy six ers basically say we don't care,
like we don't we don't care. You can find us whatever,
do whatever, like this is the best way for us
to win at the end of the day is to
literally rest one of the best players in the world

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throughout the bulk of the regular season like that. It
wills right from that stand point is we've hit a
point with load management where there's there's no going back.
If teams are they don't care about whatever you're going
to find or do to them, It doesn't matter. For
the Sixers, I would argue that is the single worst
that's above all because again not to sound like I'm
a thousand years old Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Look at his career stats. That dude played eighty two
games every fucking year. Well, even Kobe.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Why they were not talking Jerry West fifty years ago,
were talking Kobe like eight years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
Kobe was the same way. If he was healthy, he
was playing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
So why these guys has the game changed so much?
And their counter argument is, yes, the way the basketball
is played. Now, if you track how much they're actually
moving on a basketball court, it is exponentially more than
those guys did. The fans are never going to buy that.
The fans are just going to be like, you literally
are not showing up for games. I bought tickets to

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this game and you're not playing. And on Twitter perfectly
this morning. If fans don't think you care, damn sure,
we're not going to care.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
You know that's the worst. But why would you care?
Why would you care if you made eight gazillion dollars
right like they all talk about, oh, we want to
win a championship. Come on, you make eight gazillion dollars.
You're busy trying not to get babies dadd eat every
five minutes from these crazy ladies that are probably coming
after you. You're trying to hope that your house doesn't

(01:16:10):
get robbed half the time. I mean, it's not probably
an easy life for these guys. They're freaking targets, these
these twenty three. They don't know what the hell they're doing.
So anyways, enough of me, whoa whoa.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Whoa wa players go on the road for games. Does
anybody know about this? The burglars are just picking up
on this now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
How many? How many swimsuit models are there to secure
your houses? I know Joe Burrow has a swimsuit model,
but they don't all have swimsuit models.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
All right, before YouTube loves us anymore? Sorry about the
X problem. Good luck for Will Hill and Todd Wish
to have the pillag Kelly, thank you for doing it, man,
appreciate it as always. Billy Bidley, by the way, and
great grooming. We probably should say that more.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
All great now it's actually been bothering me to he
needs a brushing, heeds a brushing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
You know what's great? Groom good Michael Panics, very very
well groomed.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Manscape manscape. Kelly Bidlin at Kelly Bidlin on Twitter. That's
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Will Hill at not V Will Hill two e's in
the V should have Bet Moore the name of the podcast.
Todd wishev at t wish neev By the way, Todd,
are you signing people for your college basketball? Yes or no?

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
I'm lazy, Yes or no, Dude, yes or no. Sometimes
I have time to do it and I put them
in a little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:17:34):
Not always, sorry, but Anyways, you didn't miss anything because
I had a sixteen and four on Saturday, and since
then I was horrible Yesterday I could win a bet
if my life depended on all the ground door through.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Good luck with all your bets Week sixty and then
National What Balley, Thanks for

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