December 24, 2024 • 67 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Black Fat Fem Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
and Doctor John Paul LLC. All right, y'all, so we
(00:53):
are going to get into our last segment, which y'all know, y'all,
love is our yes ma'am and our no man pam.
And so this week, instead of me actually getting We're
gonna ask kid Theory first what their yes maam's and
there no man PAMs are, and then I'll throw it
to Joho and then I'll go last. So what are
your yes MAM's and your no mams for this no
man PAMs for this week?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Just anything?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It could be anything girl tomatoes, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Okay, so my yes ma'ams for this week.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
In honor of it being at the moment of recording,
it is early October.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yes, it's spooky season.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah yes, and I'm really enjoying two new shows, Agatha
all along.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Okay, please give it, give it.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And a similar witchy show but a lot more black
and brown. It is called Domino day Lon never heard
of it. It was just a random suggestion to me
on Prime Video one day. It is a black witch
who is without a covens up to Shenanigans and another coven.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Uh just a chance.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Today.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yes, I'm obsessed.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
And then no, ma'am pam, hmmm, oh.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know what, this seems really silly. There's this is dumb.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
There's a smile to the okay, horror smile too.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I saw the promo coming down here, Yeah, the one idea.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, I think it's Jack Nicholson son.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, it's a son.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
His the smile to billboard with his face is incredibly
visible outside of my apartment window. So sometimes I'll just
be like, you know, crack of dawn, I'm going to go,
you know, make some.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah Jack Nicholas, and he looks just like him. Yeah,
this big creepy smile. I'll be forgetting the goddamn his pictures.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I'm like, okay, when the movie come out, I get
this down.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Pick something else, breakfast, pick something else.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
But yes, I definitely coming down. I don't know, I forget.
I think it was Hollywood Boulevard. I was coming down
Hollywood and I saw the big sign and I was like,
oh okay, so yes, I definitely feel it. I literally
just can't amber ruffin. Thank you so much for being
here today. I'll just welcome. I'm your problem. Yes, come down,
(03:35):
come down, how are you, baby, I'm doing pretty cute.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Yes, everything's pretty fun over here. I gotta admit I'm
having a fun little time, a funny little time cute
over here.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yes about it? Yes, yes, yes, Well we're happy to
have you. We are going to kick off our show
in our first segment, like we always do every week
for those who are new here, we always give Miss
Tisha Campbell her flowers and are still here opening segment.
And with that being se with that being said, we
(04:14):
wanted to take a moment to level set and give
a little gigly before we begin the show. So this week,
I'd love to ask y'all how is humor helping you
survive the current political climate? And I say that as
somebody who just came from a city council meeting for work.
I had to go to a city council meeting today
(04:34):
where they were voting on flag ban. And how frustrating
that meeting was because there were six white men up
there talking about we respect inclusion and diversity, but we're
not going to vote to allow people to fly fly LGBTQ,
and the yeah, yeah, yeah, Amber, I see your face.
That's exactly what I was doing. The entire time. You
(04:55):
know how you look at the imaginary camera with certain
people talk and you just do that like I know
you lying. That's literally what the whole meeting was for
me today. And so all that to be said, one
thing you can learn about me is I love to laugh.
Comedy is truly one of the things that really truly
gets me through. I will say that I outside of
(05:16):
listening or watching shows like Amber Show and following people
like them, I listened to another podcast called I've Had It,
and then another podcast called The friend Zone where the
literally all they do is laugh. I also listen to
your podcast too, Amber. I love you and your sister.
I think you are the too cutest and just most
adorable people. And so I just think laughing is just
in general listening to podcasts and laughing along, like I
(05:39):
truly know people, that's really what has been holding me.
But yeah, what has been holding you? Sis?
Speaker 7 (05:46):
Where are you that that happened at your city council meeting?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I live in Riverside, California. Well so I live in
Chino Hills, but it is Riverside County where that happened.
But also I'm shocked but not surprised because I live
in a pocket of southern California that is extremely covertly racist.
(06:13):
It's where the Prop eight started back in two thousand
and eight. It is where it's like you said, I'm surprised,
but I'm not, you know what I mean. It's one
of those things you're like, Wow, this sucks, but at
the same time you're like, of course this is would
happened here. Huntington Beach did the same thing a couple
of months ago. We see stuff like this in San
Diego County. San Bernardino County refuses to acknowledge. I live
(06:37):
in the city where the trans band started. I don't
know if you heard about it, but the outing policy
that happened a couple of months ago, that were happening
across the schools, if you've heard about it, where they
were trying to out youth, I live in the city
where it actually started. So yep, so never say.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
A couple of months ago, friend of our family, their
daughter got out at school and we had to just
show out because we did everything we can freaking do.
We're insane people, and I was like, I did I
never I have never throw my red weight around.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
I know, I don't have any but I was like, oh,
do you know who I am?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Let me let me get my phone work quick.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Hello, four hundred thousand followers.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You gotta call the lawyer.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Let me get my get my logal team. Okay, my
legal team.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
I went on TV the next day to get interviewed
for something on the Today Show, and we're a pin
that said protect trans children. I was like, you watched
my ass on TV? And then I was like, are
they going to ask me about this pint? I hope
they So I just open up the last name of
the school.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Wow, what are you doing to keep your joy up?
Speaker 8 (08:03):
Mmmm?
Speaker 6 (08:04):
You mean the opposite of what I just said. I
don't know. No, I do goof around quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
Actually, like I can't. I cannot keep it together. Real silly, real, sloppy,
real goofy. It's pretty severe, I would say, because now
I'm on a show called Have I Got News for You?
Speaker 6 (08:25):
On Seeing It? And all we do is goof around.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
So it's really hard not to think of all of
the horrible news through the lens of jokes.
Speaker 9 (08:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
And I tell you what, like, can you imagine the
world without jokes? And they said, they're eating the dogs,
they're eating the cats. If what if just jokes didn't
exist and you had to just breathe that in and
then live in the land where it was born lose it. Yeah,
(09:01):
I feel like that specifically, like you can take time
and look at it and fully understand how disgusting it
is and how.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
It will surely trickle all the way down to us.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
But with that comedy in there, I was like, Oh,
thank goodness, we're all you know.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
It feels like, okay, we're all in the same boat.
We all feel bad and we all are professional freaking comedians.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, yeah, you've got still that was so hilarious.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
The one thing about black people is we gonna laugh
no matter, no matter what happens, we are going to laugh.
And I love that for us.
Speaker 10 (09:43):
You know, I honestly just ride the wave of how
I feel. But I think like getting more deep into that,
Like my brand is the intersectionality of creativity, advocacy and
authenticity and so you know, as a dynamic media professional
and creative strategists and storyteller, I really just aim to
(10:04):
amplify the voices that I haven't that I wasn't seeing
and the voices that really rang home to me when
I was growing up and enjoying content that wasn't necessarily
the mainstream of it all. And then also you know,
highlighting and putting so much love and care into the
lgbt q I A plus community. And so while fostering
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this inclusive, inclusivity and meaningful connection, I've been finding myself.
But then also you know, building as we go along,
and so it just really like embodies this this like
vibrant mix of cultural insights and innovative strategy and just
like being vulnerable through these things because we're all human
beings at the end of the day, and we all
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have these different you know nuances, whether it's work, it's love,
it's it's it's death, you know, and how can we
pick up the phone or go to our laptop store
and and really find healing or education through what we're
personally going through. And so you know, it stands across
(11:07):
every channel for me, like podcast, social media, and professional collaborations,
but then really kind of like building upon that outside
of being a figure in a way and then working
inter personally. I appreciate what you said because I think
that as the evolution goes on, even outside of politics.
For myself, I'm trying to get to a more less
(11:28):
curated moment.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But you know, I think that.
Speaker 10 (11:32):
The continuation of just like championing inclusive conversations as you're
doing today, right, that really kind of like uplift those
underrepresented voices. And I know that I want to continue
doing that with you know, the resurgence of my podcast
next year. But I'm an underrepresented voice, and so I'm
doing the work within myself and showing up and like
(11:54):
curating and producing whatever I'm a part of to then
highlight those underrepresented voices and speak to it being a
part of the community and just to kind of like
promote that civic engagement, but to also just like share
these different educational nuances within the content through that you know,
chaot extreme as as I've done, you know, up and
up until now, to just have those that lighthearted moment
(12:17):
around it, because I know that it's a heavy thing
and it's about to be a heavy time, and it
has been a heavy time, but I don't necessarily want
to lean into the heaviness, but to shed light on
what the facts are and how we as a people
and how we.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Can nourish ourselves.
Speaker 10 (12:35):
But I mean, we've done it centuries ago and we
will continue to do it. But like even getting through this, like,
how are we going to uphold our joy, keep a
hold of that joy, and then make sure after at
the end of this we still got that joy to
keep going because we have many more to go.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, that's real. Okay, I'm picking up what you're throwing
down a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Tea like, Okay, but you're my friends? Who you are
my friend?
Speaker 11 (13:01):
Like, don't like my like and and both my hands
would say that, and I'd be like, and I'd be like,
first of all, my friends are not little take of
all you will talk about how how you want me,
how you want want you want.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
To be my friend. Don't be acting like you are
my friend. Okay.
Speaker 11 (13:17):
I really loved Okay, anytime I feel like anytime black
folks like come for somebody, but they like but they
but they but like they'll just the they'll just keep.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Like throwing words.
Speaker 11 (13:29):
So so like like I was like I was I
was watching some Villains last season last season and there's
a moment where like she was like you're washed, cooked, dusted,
and I just love it.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Keep going. I was like, go out and grow dusted,
Mamma fied purified, say to.
Speaker 11 (13:48):
Come off the saurus, come off the saus like that's
where I live, which I will also say, come on
blank whenever whenever.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
So when black and queers like come on blank, I
just I live. I live because it can be good
or bad and you don't know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 12 (14:02):
It could be like come on wig, or could be
like like come on wig, like yes, it means so different,
it's why you say it.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
We need to really talk about how certain things could
be said. There's a whole conversation to be had around
when people say bitch, like how bitch is? Like they
could be universal for everything. It could be a good thing,
it could be a terrible thing. But I definitely live
for the people because.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
They don't have the range. They don't so they don't
they don't know they don't have the range.
Speaker 11 (14:35):
I also love when someone's like, you got the wrong one,
because because at least be a question one who's the
right one?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Then you got the wrong one? But who is it?
Because it's not gonna be me? And I'm like, okay,
but like where is the right one? Won't he do it?
Speaker 11 (14:51):
Eleves won't he do it? Because because it also is
like it be you feel like the most like outland
this ship like you like like I have, like I
have had friends legit like like I've seen a friend
like this is so.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Bad to say. I hope they never heard this story.
Speaker 11 (15:11):
I have a friend who but less their soul, like
ha gotten how a random like I ran like orgy
one night them like like them and another friend and
like like like and like that the other friend had
gotten a series of sts, my som had not and then.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
And then and this I was like, won't he do it?
Speaker 11 (15:33):
And I was like no, no, But also also I
was like I was, I was like every day he
kept he kept them safe, He kept them safe.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Listen.
Speaker 11 (15:45):
He said that that thou shall prospres shall not give
you any st I today And I was like, well
you do that.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And we are excited to get into a rich conversation
with our girl and a Naya about art ass resistance.
So we're gonna talk about multiple things while we are here,
but the one thing that we definitely wanted to talk
about with them is really thinking about this idea of
like how folks kind of use their art to express
themselves differently, we know our guests, here's no exception. Essentially,
you know, really thinking about gen Z artists paving the
(16:14):
way and the path forward, specifically against oppression. And I'm thinking,
you know, I keep thinking about something I've been thinking
a lot about since you know, everything came down with
you know, the what do you call that, with the
the election. I keep thinking about Tony Morrison's quote about
this idea of like now, in these moments, this is
the time for us, even most artistic, to really get
(16:35):
into our art and use our art to really help
liberate people. And so I guess what I really wanted
to start with is that I know that you, in
your mind didn't start off with your stuff trying to
be art per se, right, but there is art to
what you do and how you do it. So when
you saw that the space was missing online for fun, relatable,
you know, quick witted, you know, just kind of like real,
(16:57):
just real good judy content, you feel like you had
to be the person to feel bad.
Speaker 13 (17:03):
Well, I feel like I'm coming from a place of
I was an artist first, and then I saw that
there was a need for people to be like as
authentic as they could in a way, And I think
I love my manager so much because they always say this,
They say, I'm an artist that has to make content,
rather than I'm a content creator who's trying to be
an artist, you know what I mean. I always wanted
(17:28):
to like let people know that whatever they're going through
is not something that is specific. It's not something that
is like damning, It's not something that they can't get through,
you know what I mean. And I know when I
was like transitioning from like oh well, just going from
college to not going to college like graduating, That's what
(17:51):
I meant. I know when I was graduating college, like
when I was in like junior year or senior year,
I felt like really alone a lot at the time,
and honestly, like this is so dumb and it's so
gen z. But like getting online and seeing people like
me like going through stuff and being honest and like
figuring out how to be an adult, how to be themselves,
(18:14):
like how to take away like the pressures that they
had when they were in childhood, and like all these
different things that I've I've felt supported, and I felt
like not only could I add to the conversation, I
wanted to support other people who wanted to as well.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, that's really dope. That's really really dope.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
You know.
Speaker 11 (18:32):
I think part of your charm, of the charm of
your content is that usually share about the conversations like
we're all thinking of to ourselves, which I really like
value a lot, Like a lot of times what's in
your videos. I'm like, I have the conversation myself at
the time. I just never like do it o loud,
and you do it in such a light and true way,
but like it's also vulnerable and like I want to
(18:54):
be like a want of knowledge. Being vulnerable online at
a young age is not easier, expecially today, especially in
this world, especially in this climate, especially with the results
of our our elections. So I'm curious as like, what
keeps you motivated to do it.
Speaker 13 (19:09):
I think it's the people who follow me, Like I
really do have fun like interacting with people in my
comment section and stuff like that. Also the friends that
I've made that are also creators, like keep me inspired
and keep me saying I guess yeah, I think it's
definitely the people that I'm doing it for that make
(19:30):
me feel inspired and like I'm safe to do so,
I think the thing with vulnerability is like and like
trying to keep like a lighter tone on my page,
which I do like quote unquote like sober up and like,
you know, this is serious, this is what we should do,
like pay attention to this. But I think I try
to keep a relative happy tone because I've just been
(19:53):
through so much and like, at a certain point, it's
like I don't want to be my circumstances. I want
to this is who I want to be, and I'm
going to tell you who I am other than you know,
like these things that happened to me determine like how
I proceed. You know, I think it's I think I'm
because of my circumstances and not and I think I'm
in spite of my circumstances and not because of them.
Speaker 11 (20:14):
Oh I want to say I love you saying that,
because I think that's like it's such a I think,
such a uniquely like a uniquely queer and black experience
to show up in that way, to be able to say, like,
I'm not going to let the circumstances like like of
of of my life define me and like and like
(20:35):
and like make like make that be my whole personality,
like I'm I'm actually able to use to create something
else with it. I think that is like, that's just
a huge testament to like what being black and queer
and black and like and and being black and queer
at the same time, or the black we're in trans
and no matter like being being that at the same time.
And it's actually is like, that's the testament of the
magic that that we have. Yeah, love all the answer, And.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
If I can add something to that too, I would
say for me, I think that's a big part of
what makes all of us. And I've said this so
many times on the show, but I go, there's something
so special about black bear people, and I think that's
what makes things so healing for us. Whenever we touch something,
there's this element of we're telling people how to engage
with our with us, and we're leading people to understand
(21:21):
us and to comprehend us. Right, We're telling people and
again I talk a lot about this in my book, right,
telling people how to love you, telling people how they
need to show up for you. I think all of
that is really a big something that I believe, or
at least I see, factored into your art and into
your work. And I definitely say I was a fan
before this, but hearing you say that, it really I
(21:42):
don't know why, just this week for something, you know,
for some reason or another, and maybe it is because
of all we've been through the last couple of weeks.
It just it speaks a lot to me in the
sense of that, So thank you for that. The next thing, Yeah, yeah,
I again, I always believe in giving people their flowers
because I don't think we do it enough, especially to
black queer creators. This this industry is so rough to us,
(22:04):
and it's so dismissive of what we bring to the
to the table, and I think it's just it's really
cool to know that you're you're existing in a space
that's it's necessary. Folks need to see you and hear.
The question that I'm kind of asking, or I'm kind
of wanting to lean into, is you know, how do
you make difficult decisions to walk away from things when
(22:24):
you feel like you're not being appreciated, Because I think
that that's some of our like you said to the
first point, we fear that if we say no, we're
never going to eat again, you know, And I think
that's something that a lot of our listeners worry about,
especially like with the way everything looks right now, So
you know, how how do you get yourself to that
place where you're okay to say I'm okay with y'all
(22:46):
taking this plate back.
Speaker 12 (22:47):
I have to remember how I started. I have to
remember that it was nothing that I ever sought after.
I have to remember that it was all placed in
my lap, that I was the one that was sought after,
not the other way around. And I have to remember
the tools that I got very early in how to
(23:09):
work hard, how to hone in on my skill set,
and how to make a way. You know, growing up
in the South as an eighties baby, society would tell
you that there are almost no options for you to
exist and.
Speaker 11 (23:26):
For you to throve.
Speaker 12 (23:29):
And I defied all of it. I became a very
successful hairstylist.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Early. I started in the history.
Speaker 12 (23:40):
At the age of fifteen sixteen years old. At the
age of twenty three, I was a six figure earner
at the age of twenty in the eighties. My god,
but I wish I was. I wish I was twenty
something in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
But my god, yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 12 (23:58):
I have to remember that I bought my first beautiful
condominium at the age of twenty four years old. I
bought my first Mercedes at twenty three. I bought all
of things that at that time I would define as success.
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I bought it during the time and during an era
when society would tell you, because of who you are
and how you choose to exist loudly, that you won't
have these opportunities. And so I remember all of those things,
and I remember from where. I remember where I came
from and how I got there. And so it's now
(24:41):
easy for me to say, no, no, this isn't serving me.
And I know how to get what I need, whether
you give it to me or not.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Hello, Yes, because I tell people one thing about my God,
the God that I serve, Mama's gonna be. I am fine,
and I will continue to be. Okay, I know that's right.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I live.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I live. Yes, get up in here and start appreciating it, testifying.
Speaker 12 (25:13):
People all the time bitch I was buying. I was
buying motherfucking Chanelle and Solauran and all of that in
my early twenties in my earth. And let me say
and I and I.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Want to reiterate, like I said before at that time,
is what.
Speaker 12 (25:28):
I defined as success success right as a proud uh
person in my forties. Now I don't look at it
the same way anymore. Success is something completely different now
to me, and I'm proud of that. I'm proud of growth.
I'm proud of wisdom that just naturally comes if you're
open to it. And for that, I'm at I'm at peace.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
You know you do you, I will say, being someone
who has met you in person, you have a very
You can just tell when people are not well in
their in their spirit and their area and their energy.
And you carry such a very like it's almost like
baby powder. It's just fresh, it's joyful, it's just clean.
(26:11):
It's just you just have a very beautiful energy. I swear,
like I've said that about a lot of people that
I've met, Like you just radiate such a beautiful energy
and just such a joy I'm so grateful that I know.
But yeah, I'm just really grateful for And it was
it was very. It's very very. It's giving. Not not
(26:32):
Halloween stab stab stab murder, murder. It's giving. Spooky dookie insidious.
Is there something in the room with me or not?
Speaker 9 (26:44):
On the topic of spooky Dookie, I would have to
get all this out and just start burning in.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
She wants to be in the entire episode.
Speaker 11 (26:55):
Well, we got to up a show like we usually
do around these parts and give miss her flower Man
still here segment. And this is where we put our
hands out, balance our tities and uh in a in
a in a light some stage for ourselves this week
on the shows as we keep the train moving and
we are celebrating elegit to Kee plus History month in October,
because October is a month for us, although although its
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about us year round. We want to ask a question,
if you can go back in time and we live
any Dragon moment performance or not, or like runway moment
or just a dragonment for yourself, you.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Know you've sperenced in your life, which one would it be?
And why now?
Speaker 11 (27:31):
For me? I was thinking because I thought about this
recently because I'm looking for information for my birthday party and.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
For the outfit, and I think a.
Speaker 11 (27:41):
Lot about the episode in Drag Race where they had
that Night of a Thousand Trains. Yeah, and some moan
came out with that do rag train. It was just
some It was just it was it was iconic, like
it was like it was so good. It was so
increddily black, and it's such a black US as high fashion,
and I live and inspire me because because as I'm
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you know, as I'm thinking of Alpha.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
For my birthday, I'm like, wait, I do a do
Wag train. You should? I should?
Speaker 11 (28:10):
So I'm so, I'm I think I think this week,
this week, I'm gonna get some braids done good, I'm
gonna do I'm gonna do a do train and then.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Reveal yes, yes, yes, do the braid. It's a whole
it's a whole moment. It's a whole moment.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You should do the non binary colors in your braids.
Oh yes, that's a look too, that's a thought that okay,
Oh yes you bet do rag go on, feel.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
Gonna be at because I think I need to be
there as well.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Come on down, come on down. They can take my
spot because I'm in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
I can't make it so Chicago.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yes, I gotta be in Chicago for work. Then she's
from Chicago, but yes, yes, but yes, the do Wag
train is definitely I'm here saying.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
How about you, what's your moment, your moment?
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Oh my gosh, there's so many moments I would want
to go revisit, like, off the top of my head,
I would like to go back to my first performance
that I ever did. I want to go back to
that moment because I vaguely remember that night, but I
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want to relive that night and now knowing the person
that I am today, with the information that I have, Like,
how would I attack the stage then knowing who I
am now? Because I know, I know I burnt the
stage down, But I'm like, ooh, I wonder if I would,
like if I would still do everything the same. And
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I don't know because like now, I'm just as such
a seasoned performer, so I'm not I have no inhibitions.
I'm just like, Okay, I wonder if that that young
self would still be the same as I am.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I'm not going to hold I'm getting chills thinking about it.
My this is my all time favorite performance from you.
If you have not seen Mayhem perform, you're doing yourself
a true disservice. But I'm gonna always shout this performance
out because it will always be my favorite all time performance.
When I said this bitch is bad, she did take
over control and she had on these like headlamps on
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her titties and they they were light, they were light,
they were lit up and all we saw was your
titties being lit up by the lights and then your
eyes were glowing. My god, when I when I tell you,
that's when I said, that is that girl is something else.
But that is in my mind that that's my one
(30:40):
of my all time.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Favorite may performed.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yes, yes, baby, like I said, I'm I'm I have
I'm not new to this. I am true to this.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
I know.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
In a long time that is one of my all
time and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Sitting yes, yes, but that is one of my favorites.
I wish I could go back to that moment. Please
give it up for the amazing angelic Cross. How are
you baby?
Speaker 6 (31:12):
I am just blessed and highly favored.
Speaker 11 (31:15):
We are so and we're so tied to celebrate you
in this episode and to also get more into all
things that you do. But for now, we all kick
off the show that we always do by giving praise
to our girl, Missisha Campbell and our opening segment. Still
here and to show that we are all still here,
we want to know from you. Just to kick off
with a little kikey, what's one or some of your
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favorite moments in Black Heirstory.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
Oh my goodness. I mean for me, I think it
was in Living Color. You know, uh, as someone who
is known to be more of your improv type actor,
where you know, give me a script or not, I'm
gonna carry yeah and so and so, you know, we're
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growing up and watching Living Color. It was the Wayne's family,
you know, with the Jamaicans and all the jobs with
Benita betrayal.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
But you ain't heard this from me.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
With mental films, you know, there was so much that
I learned from watching them and growing up, not only
about how to be naturally sort of funny and kind
of improv but you know, I think that it also
is such a marker for us always about where we
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were around queerness and transnis and you know, just being
able to still to see the growth is one of
my favorite things of seeing how far we've come.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, I think you know. So It's it's funny because
they when you talk about people who don't get enough praise.
I think, you know, there are so many careers that
were made from that show, and I think that there's
still so many actors and actresses who genuinely I think,
you know, like so for instance, I just watched a
clip of I don't know, Like for me, it will
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always be kind of one of my favorite Black history
moments is the time when you know, Fox had all
of the black shows lined up, so there used to
be Martin and then Living Single would come on, and
then you had New York Undercover. And I know for myself, see,
it was always what I loved specifically at that time
was when actors from other shows would randomly guess on
other shows. And so like I remember seeing David Allen
(33:28):
Greer on Martin, right, there were so many yeah coming
the pastor right, and and I just think about the.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
Cous so Tommy, Tommy Davison with Tommy he's a foo
like he would just be such a but hilarious.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, it was such a It was just such a
key and it was such a moment when so many people,
and I'd say in general and acting and in the
acting world literally just you know, we're always kind of
in there in their head of of funny, right, they
were in their bag and they were in there head
around being funny. Absolutely absolutely, Adore, do you have any
Black history moments that you wanted to recall Joho before
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we move on.
Speaker 11 (34:09):
Oh me, I mean you know, we wasn't prepare for
this one, you know, the ones that we discussed in
our episode. But just I think one thing I'm thinking
a lot about I was, look, I was listening to
Black People Love Hearing on the episode with.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Uh with With with Kellen Allen.
Speaker 11 (34:27):
They were talking about kay right, thank you Alan's name,
They're talking about the Gia girls, but then into rayvend
Simone and just talk about like how that's a raven,
Like was just such a was there wasn't there would
there be a show like that, especially when I was
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one for you, like for like youth and like young
like young kids.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
And to me, that show, to me, like that show.
Speaker 11 (34:53):
Is like a great like piecee piece of black history,
especially because of the time we're like a lot of
kids shows were really diverse and really black focused and
really really good, Like it was really good to me.
But also like just like like Riven someone herself as
a actress, like as an actor, like give me a timing,
like probably Papa storylines, like a great character, like there's
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just there's just just no one else like like her.
And I tually think that she's somebody who does not
get a fowers that that she des her and I
really just like, I just love, love, love, love her
so much. And I've listened to her new podcast with
her wife, Raven, and I think Raven and Miranda, and
it's just yeah, I think that that show itself is
like cemented for me in like my own black history.
(35:35):
So because business in s Francisco, which is like part
of the Bay which I love and from, so it's
just such a special moment. I just I will never
not think of. But also her being such a pivotal,
pivotal person and like my own upbringing and like me
feeling seen in that family or seeing being seen in
that show, it should have been that ocare with me forever.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
So yeah, and I want to shout out too when
you talk about that's so Raven even they about my
brother and me. I don't know why that show just
jumped in my head, but that I grew up on
that show too, and so like you want to talk
about black families and comedy and.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
You know, like.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Hit me, like all of that is so like I
don't know, I don't know any Actually it's funny because
I was in the store and I saw that they
have now on you can buy it on Blu ray,
and I was like, for years I had been looking
for and I was like wow. I was like, I
didn't even know it was on Blu rays to buy.
But all that and like just so many and you
speak about Tisha Campbell, right, and Martin and just even
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her being on the show and her comedian and like
she's another person who yes, just her to Sheena Arnold
everybody in the game what I like to call the
Black Heydays of comedy, Like they set the processes of
what comedy is now and we speak all of their names,
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and you know we're gonna get into that, honey. But
I'm hoping we get to see them on a Cowboy
Carter Sure when I get to do a good once
you step in my boots to whatever mix that they're
putting together, because I know it's coming. But with that
being said, please give it up to my good Juty
of Morphous. How are you says so happy that you're here.
Speaker 14 (37:13):
I'm so happy, Thank you so much for having me.
I'm just honored to be here. It's been you know,
we've been talking about it for a minute, so I'm
glad we be able to make it happen for real.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yes, yes, Oh, I'm so happy.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I'm just again thank you for taking time out of
your schedule to come down down to the Black Fat
Fan Podcast to entertain us. Sweetheart, I'm here.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
We're so through that.
Speaker 11 (37:33):
I also must say I've listened to the things sat
shape EP countless times, especially back together with Kaylawne because
cis my burrow and and also the cover of finally
with Kelly Rowland.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
We'll cover slash new song with Roland.
Speaker 11 (37:47):
And it's so funny because like I listened to it
like not even not putting together that like that that
it's the same person we're having on the show. So
like it's so when it's like so when you're coming,
I was like, I was like, I was like listening,
it's so familiar, but the same person.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I was like, so very very very still that you're
here with us.
Speaker 11 (38:04):
And I have to say, while we are gushing out
the musical legend that that is you today a morphous
we go and kick up for our show by giving
our flowers between the legend, Miss Tisha Campbell and are
still here saying so for today's question, I'm not ask
y'all about something musical. I'm gonna I'm gonna ask y'all,
what is your favorite song of your childhood and what
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do you think it says about you today?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I'll start first and to our guests, okay, to John.
Speaker 11 (38:29):
So for me, it would be a toss up between
either you make me Feel like an actual women by
Ritha Franklin or wait amen, by the so first of
all these things they have this what these things says
I have good taste?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Okay, that's whatever say period, But I think I think
this there's.
Speaker 11 (38:46):
A notion that like, well, so one that was the
first one I can ever remember singing as a kid,
Like my mom always says that actually started singing chant fools.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
But the first one I ever like like like remember
singing from a full.
Speaker 11 (38:57):
Song is you make Me feel I think it it's
speakally notion that I really appreciate songs with deep emotion,
songs about love. It speak to like how I want
to love as a person, how, how how passionate I
am as a person, and how and how like for
me like like like this is the song that you
if you sing, write, or perform, you've got to give emotion,
like you can't dance the song that you you have
to stand. You have to give us a treats, real experience,
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like you have to really serve a song. And so
to me, it's like you gotta feel this music. And
so I feel like just me that I'm very passionate.
I'm in my body. I feel the things that I
that I say, and I say I speak the things
that I feel. I think Wait a minute by pisci
At Dolls. Pc D was okay, listen, folks. DC three
was my girl group, but so was PCD. Like Dolls,
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y'all can tell me nothing about person Dolls. And then
the album when this song came on, oh, I was
in my bag. I was in my bad first of all.
Her and Timolin just like just just like just let
to see the little video was so cute. I just
love to me it's it's just such a fun song.
It's a boppy lets you know that I'm I'm I'm
a like body girl like I could be. I could
be my feelings, but also but a house could come
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in and give give a little bazazed a little and ship.
It's just that song is to me, one of their
underage classics. If they ever did a if if if
if the if the tour that they're supposed to do
comes back, the one that they supposed to cancel never
had it comes back.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I want that song.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
I really love quiet as PCD's entire catalog is fire
in my opinion. But if we want to talk about it,
we can talk about it.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
But the entire cat like Thin album was it was people.
Speaker 11 (40:40):
Don't think we will say on them, but they they
were the pop girlies for me of the two thousands,
bottom pop all of it.
Speaker 15 (40:47):
Yes, go ahead, a morphous okay, my turn, Well, since
you were a d C three girl, I was a
DC four girl when I was little, so I really
loved Hey Ladies by Deski's Child.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
That was one of my favorite songs when I.
Speaker 14 (41:02):
Was younger, but my top tier pick which I should
not have been singing this song when I was little.
Rock the Boat Violin my favorite song.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Of all time. Yes I was little, it was just
talk about it.
Speaker 14 (41:14):
The vocals are underrated on this song, like the background
vocals and ad libs. She just floated and I always.
Speaker 6 (41:20):
Was mesmerized by it as a child.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
So to this day, like.
Speaker 14 (41:23):
Anybody that asked me, what's your favorite song, like rock
the Boat?
Speaker 12 (41:26):
Like you was singing that song at four.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I know what the heck I was talking about.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
I thought she was asking.
Speaker 14 (41:32):
Was innocently.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Rocking the canoe, not rocking the Canoe Chad. Okay, yeah,
rocking the canoe?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, Oh my goodness. Well, you know what kind of
the same thing for me, I was when I was
a child. A lot of the songs that I should
not have been listening to I was listening to. But
what I will say is, I think for me my
biggest thing was Anything and Everything by Michael Jackson. Michael
Jackson just really shaped a lot of it. And it's
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not even like Michael Jackson, like Thriller, and it's not
even Billy Jean. I'm thinking about Scream. I'm thinking about
they don't care about Us, and even a Stranger in
Moscow and shout out to some of the dolls who
don't really know that song or know that song and
don't like it. I just something they're so haunting about
that song, like Stranger in Moscow. To me, there's just
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something so deeply haunting about that song. And I just
I still to this day, can listen to it, and
I get chills, not chills in a bad way, but
chills in like a you can hear how lonely Michael was,
and you can really understand what he was going through
at that time. I just I don't know really MJ's
whole catalog, But again, I know how people are about
MJ and their feelings, and some people try to pay
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dust to Michael and talk about him and try to
throw you know, saw on our on our King of
Pop's name. But I will say this, you know, for me,
Michael is and will always be the blueprint no matter
who you talk about, no matter what grew, no matter
what person you speak about, Michael has always been that
person that informs how people move, even down to the
Queen now right. Beyonce has said that a lot of
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her work was influenced by MJ and also to the
Turner Right, And so I just say that, like I
think the reason why I love these songs, and especially
being a social justice girlly like I am, I could
hear the frustration MJ had, and a lot of the songs,
especially Screamed, could just tell he was really tired of media.
He was really tired of people lying about him. He
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was really tired and you know, really just tired of
people really trying to soil the work that he had
made for himself. But he was also singing about injustices
and he knew what was going on in the world
and how they were trying to silence and discount him,
discount him.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
And I could go on for hours about that.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
But I just think, you know, even if we're just
if we're taking away what media did to Michael Jackson,
I will say just to his music alone, had all
his music had something that was relevant about belonging, of
people really wanting to like him, wanting to wanting people
to see him, and it just I don't know, it
just I understand as an adult, I understand Michael so
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much better now, I really do.
Speaker 14 (44:11):
And so for me, that was always it was music
has lasted so long, you know what I mean, Like
it's going to be for art even today, and today's
time is even more.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
Relevant than ever, you know, the song that you were
speaking about.
Speaker 14 (44:23):
So you know, I think that it's very unfortunate when
we especially our black legends, you know, the way that
media will treat them just anybody.
Speaker 6 (44:31):
I mean, you want to Beyonce again.
Speaker 14 (44:32):
I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about her and a few,
but you know, you look at the way that she
has been so pressured into having this private life, you
know what I mean now, especially that a children. You know,
you know, you say one wrong thing and the media
will spin it around into twenty different things. And so
you know, for me, not that they being able to
see Michael in his prime and his element, but knowing
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that everything is documented and I can go back and
look at, you know, like you said, the blueprint of
all these things Michael Jackson, names Brown, you know, Tina Turner,
the Flank and all these people that had to go
through the media storm in their own ways, but their
legacies has lasted forever. So even though he's gone, job
even gonna be speaking his name until the time.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
So I just said, let me just get straight to
the point, honey. So I definitely wanted to shout out
Sarah McBride and any black trans non by anybody who
is dealing with politics and whatever capacity, whether it be
in Congress, whether it be in the White House, whatever
it be, just to be in politics right now is
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a sheer shit show. And my heart goes out to
anybody who's having to hold themselves up, talk about, you know,
wanting to give up and throw in the towel and
being tired and needing rest. I am sure there's so
many black and trans people who are you know, on
the ground doing some really big stuff and really important stuff,
and they probably are very very discouraged right now, and
(45:57):
so I just wanted to say, like, I'm aware of
what's happening to Sarah McBride, I'm aware of what's happening
to a lot of trans women, and I just wanted
to make sure that folks that listen to the show
know that you know we're sending you love and encouragement
and reminding you that you know your ancestors are what
makes you strong, and that you have a whole community
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of people over here who love you and support you.
So I wanted to say that on the other end
of that, my no Man Pam this week is Walmart.
So I'll be clear and saying I've been fuck Walmart forever.
I've never been a fan of Walmart. There have been
times in my life where I had to shop at Walmart.
That's all I could afford. And now that I have
a little bit of you know I have a little
(46:39):
bit of coinage. I like to tell people I'm not rich.
I just don't have kids, but because I can add
a little bit of extra cheese to my burger in
these in these times, you know, I choose to go.
I choose to drive fifteen minutes out of my way
to go to Target. And I'm not gonna say they're
even better, because Target, they've they've done some really fucked
up shit in the last couple of years too. But
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Walmart has very vocally said that they're going after trans
people and that they're they're reversing a lot of their
DEI stuff, and it's just gonna be fuck Walmart forever
over here. They never can get They're never they'll never
see it. They'll never see an intentional dollar out of me.
That I just want to make it very clear that
you'll never see me start up my like remote, start
(47:22):
my car, get in the car and drive to Walmart.
That'll never happen. So I just wanted to say fuck them,
and and thank you for telling us who you've been.
We've already known. It's just it's nice to see people
validate who they are, so especially companies. I'm very happy
when companies tell us flat lee outrightly like we don't
(47:42):
give a fuck about you because it makes it easier
for me to say, well, then let me take my
money somewhere else, you know. So yep, that's all I got.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Says damn So.
Speaker 11 (47:53):
I just I'm I didn't know what happened Walmarts. I'm
looking at it and I'm like, of course, y'all never
care about this in the first place. You'll never care
about us, Like just.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
I don't care about in the first place, Like.
Speaker 11 (48:05):
I really tried so anything and everyone it's like everyone,
y'all all launched g I work on the twenty twenty
and then you said no, I don't see It's fine.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
I think they literally said it literally is given.
Speaker 11 (48:16):
Like oh Trump's back, thank god, we can just call
us to go down the fuck are you hos?
Speaker 1 (48:24):
And literally, Mama was just given the energy that I'm
given today.
Speaker 6 (48:28):
What is this not paid?
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Because nigga, we are in hell.
Speaker 8 (48:37):
Hell.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I asked folks last week if they could tell, like
if they would tell me if we were really in hell,
and people like responded back to me and was like,
how do we not know? Like yes, nigga, we are
in hell. And so today I'm just sitting with the fact,
right I'm sitting with the fact that Jessica Lank told
us that we what is this not a pad? Literally,
(49:00):
I'm gonna be screaming at all weekend?
Speaker 8 (49:02):
What is this?
Speaker 6 (49:03):
It takes me down.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Every time away? She said it was just so classic.
But anyway, how are you my sister?
Speaker 3 (49:13):
You know I am that? So that's just not you said?
I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 6 (49:19):
Does it?
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Just chuck me?
Speaker 11 (49:21):
But also and made me think of that pisode we
did with XD, the Personal helpisode. I'm like, yeah, this
is a good moment to bring to bring that one
back for them.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Fam.
Speaker 11 (49:30):
It's Jordan ak your boo jo hoo aka giving us
Ray Charles today and like this point, you're like.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Twenty five, I'm giving it. It's giving a switch up,
like I need twenty twenty five. I'm going to I'm
going to. I don't really, I'm gonna become masked.
Speaker 11 (49:48):
I'm gonna like, I'm like, I'm start like playing football
and ship and being like, but the show, how.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Are we going to black fir film? If you.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Like, how's that going?
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Anything about that?
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Bitch?
Speaker 2 (50:00):
I think dam you got me on that one.
Speaker 7 (50:04):
No, No, I can't.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Why are you trying to limit me? I would say,
I think.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
You have to. It'll have to be a balance. You'll
have to You'll have to not you back in your.
Speaker 11 (50:23):
I think about that. She really got on the one
thing about that. How would I maybe you know what,
maybe I'll comment with like a queen. Maybe I'll get
like vocal surgery and I'll be like.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
You're still giving Yeah, it'll be butch fam Okay, it'll
be who there's there's a drag queen, the bearded queen.
It'll be yeah, it'll be given that all right, y'all.
So keeping up with the foolishness and the fuckery this week. Obviously,
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like I said, we're trying to keep this episode light.
I wanted to be a little bit silly, and I
wanted to ask us collectively as a family to come
to the table and to talk about some food things
that I have been seeing on the interwebs. And I
just wanted us to have a very lighthearted and fun
debate about it so that way I could go back.
So I will say that some of these questions spawn
(51:19):
from me laying in the bed talking to my husband
at night when we have pillow talk. This is the
stuff we talk about. We talk about food, Yes, we
talk about food, and we talk about things, and we
talk about stuff that we see on the interwebs. And
I've got a few questions that I know are foolish,
but I want us as black people because I hear
these conversations in black and black spaces and I just
(51:42):
want us to talk about it. So I have three
of them, and I would love to know what our
guest thoughts are on it. And then also I'd love
to know what my sister's thoughts are on it. First,
So my first thought and first question, slash what will
say is a question? Slash thought? Is hot dot are
a sandwich?
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Now?
Speaker 6 (52:01):
Hear me out.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
It is a piece of meat and between two pieces
of bread. That is a sandwich? Am I wrong?
Speaker 7 (52:17):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (52:19):
I have thoughts, But first.
Speaker 5 (52:23):
I'm googling what qualifies as a sandwich. So the as
per Oxford languages, the sandwich is a noun an item
of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese,
or other filling between them, eating as a light meal. Yes, okay,
technically if we were to identify it, yes, technically, a
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hot dog would be considered a sandwich. I don't think
it's a sandwich. I think a hot dog gets its
own special thing. I do think a hamp.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Category. Okay, yeah, I think a hamburger is like a sandwich.
Speaker 5 (52:59):
But even that, I feel like his own a burger
because again I feel like there's a difference between.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
A burger and a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yes, because I feel like with a bird.
Speaker 5 (53:06):
Well, no, because there's different types of burgers too. Also
like there's different types of sandwiches. Now, a chopped cheese
is a sandwich because you have multiple things on it.
But I feel like a sandwich usually doesn't just have
meat on it.
Speaker 12 (53:18):
There's usually like.
Speaker 5 (53:18):
A mayo or like a cheese or a lettuce or whatever.
And I think with with hot dogs and burgers, they
can be stand the loans without all those condiments, right,
and still be considered hot dogs and hamburgers. So I
don't think a hot dog is a sandwich because it's
a standalone where to swear, a sandwich I feel like
has multiple parts in it.
Speaker 11 (53:38):
If that makes sense, yes, Okay, So now now I'm like, oh,
I want I want to get into the etymology of
burger and hot dogs I'm like, where do they come from?
Speaker 7 (53:47):
Right?
Speaker 11 (53:47):
But I disagree with you because I think is it
or is actually one piece of bread?
Speaker 5 (53:52):
Right?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
I don't think it's.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
Good, good one, good cats, good, thank you.
Speaker 11 (54:01):
Sandwiches are not vertical, Okay, they are not there, They're
not long.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
That is a taco.
Speaker 11 (54:07):
That is a taco. It is a hot dog taco.
I would not call it because buy me sandwiches. So
and this is also this is also what makes a
burger burger. Burger is round the bey. A sandwich is square.
But what about around the sandwich?
Speaker 1 (54:21):
I think you got but you got windies with square patties?
Is it? Is it the rounded doune? Is that what
we're talking about?
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yes? Yes, the bread is the bread is around the bread.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
The sandwich.
Speaker 11 (54:32):
Sandwich is a square like and listen, I'm at the room.
I'm just saying that's what it is. The sandwich is
a square. So I personally will not allow to be
a sandwich.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
It is it is.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
I would just say, like a different form a form
of a taco, because it is, you know. So she's
into something.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
So she's like a cousin to the sandwich. She likes.
She likes the sandwiches cousin. We don't really claim her.
Speaker 11 (54:55):
I would say she could be leather Cinderella of you know,
of of the bread stuff. Like she's she's a step child.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Step chat. Okay, Okay, she is.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
She's beautiful and we love her, right, we love her.
She's beautiful. She's delicious, like when she when she loved
the ball midnight. We love to see it. But we're like,
but you're not a sad person. But I'm also not
I'm not a big hot dog. That's not my that's
not my ministry too much the period things.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Actually, I'm learning as I get older, hot dogs are
actually one of my favorite things. So my husband refers
to it as circus food. He's real big on, Like
he doesn't like carnival food and we're wed. Yeah, he's
real big on. I'm not a huge fan of carnival
food and I and I get it. I understand it,
and I respect it. But however, for me, like I
have been craving a chili dog maybe for like the
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last two weeks, and y'all know I got COVID and
was not able to eat the way I wanted to eat.
But today, like these last few days have been like
the very first few days that I've actually been able
to hold food down the way I wanted to. And
I said, oh, I will be eating a chili dog tonight.
Tonight will be that night I have a chili dog.
So I fox with in next question on the docket,
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do you now people I've seen people talk about this too,
specifically on TikTok. Do you pour the milk first or
the cereal first?
Speaker 13 (56:18):
Chill?
Speaker 5 (56:19):
Is that even a question? You put the cereal first
because you want to make sure that the milk has
the right ratio. I don't like milk like that, and
again I use oat milk, but like still, I don't
want the cereal to be too soggy, and I don't
want the cereal to be too dry. You want to
make sure that you pour the cereal first, yes, and
then you pour.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
The milk after that.
Speaker 5 (56:37):
It makes no sense, Like again, it's not listens like,
it's not like we're getting in a pool.
Speaker 9 (56:41):
It's food.
Speaker 6 (56:42):
Like the milk should not be waiting for the cereal.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
The cereals should be waiting for the milk period.
Speaker 11 (56:46):
Right right, said the physics of the cereal. Actually you're
not going to do Yeah, I also fact, that's like
splash Mountain, who put you want? You want little splash
bubbles on topic.
Speaker 3 (56:59):
So behavior I am behavior. No, I agree.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
So I almost feel like that that cereal conversation. And
we love our white listeners. Thank you for listening. Please
tell another white friend to listen to the show to
keep us on the air. But I almost feel like
some of this is very much like white behavior in
the sense of like I I've always been so I
will say this too, like growing up, Actually I don't
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do it now, but growing up, a big thing in
my family was also putting ice in our milk like
we would we would pour the cereal and then we
would put like we would pour. We would put ice
in a cup and then pour the milk over the
ice and then pour the milk, and like that was
something we did, which is if and a lot of
my family did it. It was like a thing. And
I was like, oh, that must just be a black thing.
But I think overall, like learning, like the way you
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pour your milk and then the way you pour your cereal,
I think it it just I feel like it's something
it's learned, and I like I've heard a lot of
white people do it no shape. I'm just saying that
it feels of like it's not it's not us that
does that. So I just wanted to ask that question.
Speaker 16 (58:11):
M oh, And I guess the only other thing is
I have to say on a really flip level. My
other yes, Maam has to be as you've already mentioned,
Sabrina Carpenter has made this last month possible for me.
I am working late because I'm a singer there I
can't relate to desperation, and it is that me espresso.
I make a little Moga pot every morning and I'd
(58:31):
like fill it and I pack it with like some
little spice. So today was cardamom with espresso on top
of in the little Moga pods. And I'm always like
I always talk to the Amazon Echo and.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
I'm like.
Speaker 16 (58:42):
By Sybrina Carpenter as it's percolating, and I'm just like,
it's a dance break.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
I get a whole dance, so she's she's.
Speaker 16 (58:48):
Given it, and I'm grateful my nom pam. I want
to I want to just I mean, it didn't get
right fucked like, but I think also one of the
things that has to happen is I know I'm pam
is there's just casual massage mair right, the sense that
black women are always not to be taken seriously and
they must always be considered after our men, And sometimes
(59:10):
people want to extend that to us when we look
enough dude shaped, and then they immediately want to take
it away from us when we are either too fem
or to to he they or too they for them,
And that all comes back down to massogore for us
and our bodies, So uh fuck that forever. And then
my other uh nome of him, just really briefly is
there are many reasons why the Drake Kendrick feud was exhausting.
(59:33):
We all knew that Drake a shit, and we know
the Kendrick beat a dead horse. We also know that
Kendrick is also a little bit not shit in terms
of the way that he engaged in a healthy amount
of missogymore in his own self. But what I also
I have said this were the ones to my student
yeah and yes and transplogia. I just want to also say,
like yeah, because he was absolutly transport in this. I
want to say one of the things that annoyed me
most about this disbattle is that then they did it
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in public. So now white people feel entitled to have
opinions about all of this, and it is exhausting. I
am uninterested in almost every white person's opinion about this,
But because it is all out in the music and
they already feel entitled to everything we produce, they also
feel entitled to entering into any conversation with me about
conversations about blackness that they are actually not equipped for.
(01:00:20):
Half of those conversations that even Drake is having. There
are advanced level in a blackness and Drake is t
pos lots of ways, but you are not ready and
you are playing.
Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
And please don't ask us as we're black either. Don't
be like, do you have thoughts on the Kendrick and
drape a bitch? I listened to I listened to and
shure I'm listening to let on like I'm not. Have
I heard them?
Speaker 11 (01:00:46):
Yes, well I listened to them, sure, but like like
they like they are not my forever girls. Don't ask
you about them.
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
I have thoughts. I will tell the body, well, not
not you.
Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
How it's calmed down.
Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yeah, they're not.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
This is not a conversation for you, Chad. And while
it always reminds me. I think I shared this one
time on the mic. I remember one time I was
in Vegas and I was getting on an elevator and
there was a whole bunch of white women on the elevator,
and I think I had on a Beyonce shirt, and
I think that like that's how it came up. But
I remember them just like starting to sing lyrics to
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like Beyonce's song, and I think that like in my mind,
I was like I kind of gave them that look
of like, no, we're not doing that. But it was
kind of like in my mind, it's like you don't
have to try to connect with me through like black
culture cysts, Like yes, Renaissance is a great album, but
bit just not for you like that that literally it's
just not like it's not it's not your thing. And
(01:01:42):
so like I thank you for saying that.
Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
What's some they say? I'm so curdles because I'm curious
of what.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
They were They like, it was really early in the morning,
and you could tell that they were over the you know,
you could always tell when the girls have had a
long night and that they drunk steal. But it's like
bitch is eight thirty in the morning. You needed you
should have been sleep long time. So I don't even
remember what song it was, but I do remember that
(01:02:09):
moment happening in an elevator where the girls was just
like like they were trying to connect with me on
that level, and I'm looking at them like, you look foolish,
like it that's not like I don't even do that
with other black people, Like I don't walk up to
other black people and be like, ooh, girl, like look
like we don't do that. It's it's still stupid. It's
just so yes, So I I really truly appreciate you
(01:02:30):
saying that, and and reality at the end of the day,
like that whole entire battle is just tired, and I'm
just so over it because I'm like, neither one of
them is taking up any energy in my in my
psyche and my cheek, Like I don't really care about
either one of them. So as we start, who are
if you if you could name two comedians who helped
(01:02:53):
kind of center your comedy, ee, who would those comedians be?
And then Joe, I'll throw it to you and then
I'll go last.
Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Okay, So I think it's actually great that we're talking
about Tisha and in the seriousness of how important she
is because the two people I would name one is
Martin Lawrence's Martin, you know, from the stage, like from
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stand up on the stage, transitioning into network television.
Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
I think he's just truly truly.
Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Iconic on both levels and created things that have just
transitioned from one generation to the next generation. And but
the thing about Martin is as a thirty six year old, like,
it's just that everything about it encapsulates like my childhood
(01:03:51):
at lessons for the style, the colors, the the way
that we were as black people, freer to you just
communicate as us on network TV was really gorgeous. But
my favorite, favorite, favorite, favorite thing about that sitcom, especially
when you compare it to a lot of other sitcoms
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led by stand up comics Martin, every single performer stood out, lead, supporting, recurring,
Every single character on that show was a standout. Tisha
Campbell to Sheena or everyone was doing the work, yeah,
(01:04:34):
to make that thing iconic and memorable for the ages.
And the other person I would say is Evett Lee Bowser. Yes,
Living Single, another iconic show that really gave you a
lot of other shows like it, you know, namely a
show called Friends, which then you know itself, I guess
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inspired to hold a bunch of rather mediocre, mediocre white shows.
Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
But Living Single is another one.
Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
Again, from the communications of the style to the performances
of every character. Yeah, it's just such a powerful thing
that to this day, both of those shows I still watch,
I still crack up, and I'm still incredibly impressed by
the work that everybody did on those shows, performing, writing
(01:05:28):
and so on.
Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
What I love about you sharing about Living Singles. So
I never knew actually until like maybe a couple of
like maybe I would say months ago that I guess, uh,
the Max, Max's character was never supposed to be on
the show, Like that was a whole Yeah, really never
supposed to. They didn't want Max on.
Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
The show and Lawyer.
Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Yeah, and that's the reason why they have her quote
unquote being the neighbor across the street, is because they
were trying to basically write her out of the show.
And I eve but actually fought wore it and said,
if you don't have Max, you don't have a show.
So shout out to both you know, I go ahead,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
It was brilliant that she lived across the street but
was still a central part of YEA. Yeah, it's usually
just find some way for her to live in the
building to or live upstairs. And it was iconic that
she was as like accomplished and strong and outspoken that
she was. But she was also the friend that was
gonna leave her house and always be in your house.
Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Again.
Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Yeah, we all have all that persons.
Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
I always say, if I live closer to Joho, I
would always be at her house eating that I would be. Yeah,
I would be Max literally lived near you, vice versa.
If you live closer than me, you would have I would.
Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
When they came in with some growl streets and Max Wick,
she just busting the house and started wenting through.
Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
She said, got the oreoles and was like, y'all didn't
get the double.
Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Stud Like you didn't what you don't even even.
Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I lived.
Speaker 13 (01:06:59):
I live
The Black Fat Fem Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
and Doctor John Paul LLC. All right, y'all, so we
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are going to get into our last segment, which y'all know, y'all,
love is our yes ma'am and our no man pam.
And so this week, instead of me actually getting We're
gonna ask kid Theory first what their yes maam's and
there no man PAMs are, and then I'll throw it
to Joho and then I'll go last. So what are
your yes MAM's and your no mams for this no
man PAMs for this week?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Just anything?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It could be anything girl tomatoes, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Okay, so my yes ma'ams for this week.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
In honor of it being at the moment of recording,
it is early October.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yes, it's spooky season.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah yes, and I'm really enjoying two new shows, Agatha
all along.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Okay, please give it, give it.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And a similar witchy show but a lot more black
and brown. It is called Domino day Lon never heard
of it. It was just a random suggestion to me
on Prime Video one day. It is a black witch
who is without a covens up to Shenanigans and another coven.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Uh just a chance.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Today.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yes, I'm obsessed.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
And then no, ma'am pam, hmmm, oh.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know what, this seems really silly. There's this is dumb.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
There's a smile to the okay, horror smile too.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I saw the promo coming down here, Yeah, the one idea.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, I think it's Jack Nicholson son.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, it's a son.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
His the smile to billboard with his face is incredibly
visible outside of my apartment window. So sometimes I'll just
be like, you know, crack of dawn, I'm going to go,
you know, make some.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah Jack Nicholas, and he looks just like him. Yeah,
this big creepy smile. I'll be forgetting the goddamn his pictures.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I'm like, okay, when the movie come out, I get
this down.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Pick something else, breakfast, pick something else.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
But yes, I definitely coming down. I don't know, I forget.
I think it was Hollywood Boulevard. I was coming down
Hollywood and I saw the big sign and I was like,
oh okay, so yes, I definitely feel it. I literally
just can't amber ruffin. Thank you so much for being
here today. I'll just welcome. I'm your problem. Yes, come down,
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come down, how are you, baby, I'm doing pretty cute.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Yes, everything's pretty fun over here. I gotta admit I'm
having a fun little time, a funny little time cute
over here.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yes about it? Yes, yes, yes, Well we're happy to
have you. We are going to kick off our show
in our first segment, like we always do every week
for those who are new here, we always give Miss
Tisha Campbell her flowers and are still here opening segment.
And with that being se with that being said, we
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wanted to take a moment to level set and give
a little gigly before we begin the show. So this week,
I'd love to ask y'all how is humor helping you
survive the current political climate? And I say that as
somebody who just came from a city council meeting for work.
I had to go to a city council meeting today
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where they were voting on flag ban. And how frustrating
that meeting was because there were six white men up
there talking about we respect inclusion and diversity, but we're
not going to vote to allow people to fly fly LGBTQ,
and the yeah, yeah, yeah, Amber, I see your face.
That's exactly what I was doing. The entire time. You
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know how you look at the imaginary camera with certain
people talk and you just do that like I know
you lying. That's literally what the whole meeting was for
me today. And so all that to be said, one
thing you can learn about me is I love to laugh.
Comedy is truly one of the things that really truly
gets me through. I will say that I outside of
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listening or watching shows like Amber Show and following people
like them, I listened to another podcast called I've Had It,
and then another podcast called The friend Zone where the
literally all they do is laugh. I also listen to
your podcast too, Amber. I love you and your sister.
I think you are the too cutest and just most
adorable people. And so I just think laughing is just
in general listening to podcasts and laughing along, like I
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truly know people, that's really what has been holding me.
But yeah, what has been holding you? Sis?
Speaker 7 (05:46):
Where are you that that happened at your city council meeting?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I live in Riverside, California. Well so I live in
Chino Hills, but it is Riverside County where that happened.
But also I'm shocked but not surprised because I live
in a pocket of southern California that is extremely covertly racist.
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It's where the Prop eight started back in two thousand
and eight. It is where it's like you said, I'm surprised,
but I'm not, you know what I mean. It's one
of those things you're like, Wow, this sucks, but at
the same time you're like, of course this is would
happened here. Huntington Beach did the same thing a couple
of months ago. We see stuff like this in San
Diego County. San Bernardino County refuses to acknowledge. I live
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in the city where the trans band started. I don't
know if you heard about it, but the outing policy
that happened a couple of months ago, that were happening
across the schools, if you've heard about it, where they
were trying to out youth, I live in the city
where it actually started. So yep, so never say.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
A couple of months ago, friend of our family, their
daughter got out at school and we had to just
show out because we did everything we can freaking do.
We're insane people, and I was like, I did I
never I have never throw my red weight around.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
I know, I don't have any but I was like, oh,
do you know who I am?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Let me let me get my phone work quick.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Hello, four hundred thousand followers.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You gotta call the lawyer.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Let me get my get my logal team. Okay, my
legal team.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
I went on TV the next day to get interviewed
for something on the Today Show, and we're a pin
that said protect trans children. I was like, you watched
my ass on TV? And then I was like, are
they going to ask me about this pint? I hope
they So I just open up the last name of
the school.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Wow, what are you doing to keep your joy up?
Speaker 8 (08:03):
Mmmm?
Speaker 6 (08:04):
You mean the opposite of what I just said. I
don't know. No, I do goof around quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
Actually, like I can't. I cannot keep it together. Real silly, real, sloppy,
real goofy. It's pretty severe, I would say, because now
I'm on a show called Have I Got News for You?
Speaker 6 (08:25):
On Seeing It? And all we do is goof around.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
So it's really hard not to think of all of
the horrible news through the lens of jokes.
Speaker 9 (08:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
And I tell you what, like, can you imagine the
world without jokes? And they said, they're eating the dogs,
they're eating the cats. If what if just jokes didn't
exist and you had to just breathe that in and
then live in the land where it was born lose it. Yeah,
(09:01):
I feel like that specifically, like you can take time
and look at it and fully understand how disgusting it
is and how.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
It will surely trickle all the way down to us.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
But with that comedy in there, I was like, Oh,
thank goodness, we're all you know.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
It feels like, okay, we're all in the same boat.
We all feel bad and we all are professional freaking comedians.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, yeah, you've got still that was so hilarious.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
The one thing about black people is we gonna laugh
no matter, no matter what happens, we are going to laugh.
And I love that for us.
Speaker 10 (09:43):
You know, I honestly just ride the wave of how
I feel. But I think like getting more deep into that,
Like my brand is the intersectionality of creativity, advocacy and
authenticity and so you know, as a dynamic media professional
and creative strategists and storyteller, I really just aim to
(10:04):
amplify the voices that I haven't that I wasn't seeing
and the voices that really rang home to me when
I was growing up and enjoying content that wasn't necessarily
the mainstream of it all. And then also you know,
highlighting and putting so much love and care into the
lgbt q I A plus community. And so while fostering
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this inclusive, inclusivity and meaningful connection, I've been finding myself.
But then also you know, building as we go along,
and so it just really like embodies this this like
vibrant mix of cultural insights and innovative strategy and just
like being vulnerable through these things because we're all human
beings at the end of the day, and we all
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have these different you know nuances, whether it's work, it's love,
it's it's it's death, you know, and how can we
pick up the phone or go to our laptop store
and and really find healing or education through what we're
personally going through. And so you know, it stands across
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every channel for me, like podcast, social media, and professional collaborations,
but then really kind of like building upon that outside
of being a figure in a way and then working
inter personally. I appreciate what you said because I think
that as the evolution goes on, even outside of politics.
For myself, I'm trying to get to a more less
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curated moment.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But you know, I think that.
Speaker 10 (11:32):
The continuation of just like championing inclusive conversations as you're
doing today, right, that really kind of like uplift those
underrepresented voices. And I know that I want to continue
doing that with you know, the resurgence of my podcast
next year. But I'm an underrepresented voice, and so I'm
doing the work within myself and showing up and like
(11:54):
curating and producing whatever I'm a part of to then
highlight those underrepresented voices and speak to it being a
part of the community and just to kind of like
promote that civic engagement, but to also just like share
these different educational nuances within the content through that you know,
chaot extreme as as I've done, you know, up and
up until now, to just have those that lighthearted moment
(12:17):
around it, because I know that it's a heavy thing
and it's about to be a heavy time, and it
has been a heavy time, but I don't necessarily want
to lean into the heaviness, but to shed light on
what the facts are and how we as a people
and how we.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Can nourish ourselves.
Speaker 10 (12:35):
But I mean, we've done it centuries ago and we
will continue to do it. But like even getting through this, like,
how are we going to uphold our joy, keep a
hold of that joy, and then make sure after at
the end of this we still got that joy to
keep going because we have many more to go.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, that's real. Okay, I'm picking up what you're throwing
down a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Tea like, Okay, but you're my friends? Who you are
my friend?
Speaker 11 (13:01):
Like, don't like my like and and both my hands
would say that, and I'd be like, and I'd be like,
first of all, my friends are not little take of
all you will talk about how how you want me,
how you want want you want.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
To be my friend. Don't be acting like you are
my friend. Okay.
Speaker 11 (13:17):
I really loved Okay, anytime I feel like anytime black
folks like come for somebody, but they like but they
but they but like they'll just the they'll just keep.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Like throwing words.
Speaker 11 (13:29):
So so like like I was like I was I
was watching some Villains last season last season and there's
a moment where like she was like you're washed, cooked, dusted,
and I just love it.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Keep going. I was like, go out and grow dusted,
Mamma fied purified, say to.
Speaker 11 (13:48):
Come off the saurus, come off the saus like that's
where I live, which I will also say, come on
blank whenever whenever.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
So when black and queers like come on blank, I
just I live. I live because it can be good
or bad and you don't know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 12 (14:02):
It could be like come on wig, or could be
like like come on wig, like yes, it means so different,
it's why you say it.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
We need to really talk about how certain things could
be said. There's a whole conversation to be had around
when people say bitch, like how bitch is? Like they
could be universal for everything. It could be a good thing,
it could be a terrible thing. But I definitely live
for the people because.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
They don't have the range. They don't so they don't
they don't know they don't have the range.
Speaker 11 (14:35):
I also love when someone's like, you got the wrong one,
because because at least be a question one who's the
right one?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Then you got the wrong one? But who is it?
Because it's not gonna be me? And I'm like, okay,
but like where is the right one? Won't he do it?
Speaker 11 (14:51):
Eleves won't he do it? Because because it also is
like it be you feel like the most like outland
this ship like you like like I have, like I
have had friends legit like like I've seen a friend
like this is so.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Bad to say. I hope they never heard this story.
Speaker 11 (15:11):
I have a friend who but less their soul, like
ha gotten how a random like I ran like orgy
one night them like like them and another friend and
like like like and like that the other friend had
gotten a series of sts, my som had not and then.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
And then and this I was like, won't he do it?
Speaker 11 (15:33):
And I was like no, no, But also also I
was like I was, I was like every day he
kept he kept them safe, He kept them safe.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Listen.
Speaker 11 (15:45):
He said that that thou shall prospres shall not give
you any st I today And I was like, well
you do that.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And we are excited to get into a rich conversation
with our girl and a Naya about art ass resistance.
So we're gonna talk about multiple things while we are here,
but the one thing that we definitely wanted to talk
about with them is really thinking about this idea of
like how folks kind of use their art to express
themselves differently, we know our guests, here's no exception. Essentially,
you know, really thinking about gen Z artists paving the
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way and the path forward, specifically against oppression. And I'm thinking,
you know, I keep thinking about something I've been thinking
a lot about since you know, everything came down with
you know, the what do you call that, with the
the election. I keep thinking about Tony Morrison's quote about
this idea of like now, in these moments, this is
the time for us, even most artistic, to really get
(16:35):
into our art and use our art to really help
liberate people. And so I guess what I really wanted
to start with is that I know that you, in
your mind didn't start off with your stuff trying to
be art per se, right, but there is art to
what you do and how you do it. So when
you saw that the space was missing online for fun, relatable,
you know, quick witted, you know, just kind of like real,
(16:57):
just real good judy content, you feel like you had
to be the person to feel bad.
Speaker 13 (17:03):
Well, I feel like I'm coming from a place of
I was an artist first, and then I saw that
there was a need for people to be like as
authentic as they could in a way, And I think
I love my manager so much because they always say this,
They say, I'm an artist that has to make content,
rather than I'm a content creator who's trying to be
an artist, you know what I mean. I always wanted
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to like let people know that whatever they're going through
is not something that is specific. It's not something that
is like damning, It's not something that they can't get through,
you know what I mean. And I know when I
was like transitioning from like oh well, just going from
college to not going to college like graduating, That's what
(17:51):
I meant. I know when I was graduating college, like
when I was in like junior year or senior year,
I felt like really alone a lot at the time,
and honestly, like this is so dumb and it's so
gen z. But like getting online and seeing people like
me like going through stuff and being honest and like
figuring out how to be an adult, how to be themselves,
(18:14):
like how to take away like the pressures that they
had when they were in childhood, and like all these
different things that I've I've felt supported, and I felt
like not only could I add to the conversation, I
wanted to support other people who wanted to as well.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, that's really dope. That's really really dope.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
You know.
Speaker 11 (18:32):
I think part of your charm, of the charm of
your content is that usually share about the conversations like
we're all thinking of to ourselves, which I really like
value a lot, Like a lot of times what's in
your videos. I'm like, I have the conversation myself at
the time. I just never like do it o loud,
and you do it in such a light and true way,
but like it's also vulnerable and like I want to
(18:54):
be like a want of knowledge. Being vulnerable online at
a young age is not easier, expecially today, especially in
this world, especially in this climate, especially with the results
of our our elections. So I'm curious as like, what
keeps you motivated to do it.
Speaker 13 (19:09):
I think it's the people who follow me, Like I
really do have fun like interacting with people in my
comment section and stuff like that. Also the friends that
I've made that are also creators, like keep me inspired
and keep me saying I guess yeah, I think it's
definitely the people that I'm doing it for that make
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me feel inspired and like I'm safe to do so,
I think the thing with vulnerability is like and like
trying to keep like a lighter tone on my page,
which I do like quote unquote like sober up and like,
you know, this is serious, this is what we should do,
like pay attention to this. But I think I try
to keep a relative happy tone because I've just been
(19:53):
through so much and like, at a certain point, it's
like I don't want to be my circumstances. I want
to this is who I want to be, and I'm
going to tell you who I am other than you know,
like these things that happened to me determine like how
I proceed. You know, I think it's I think I'm
because of my circumstances and not and I think I'm
in spite of my circumstances and not because of them.
Speaker 11 (20:14):
Oh I want to say I love you saying that,
because I think that's like it's such a I think,
such a uniquely like a uniquely queer and black experience
to show up in that way, to be able to say, like,
I'm not going to let the circumstances like like of
of of my life define me and like and like
(20:35):
and like make like make that be my whole personality,
like I'm I'm actually able to use to create something
else with it. I think that is like, that's just
a huge testament to like what being black and queer
and black and like and and being black and queer
at the same time, or the black we're in trans
and no matter like being being that at the same time.
And it's actually is like, that's the testament of the
magic that that we have. Yeah, love all the answer, And.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
If I can add something to that too, I would
say for me, I think that's a big part of
what makes all of us. And I've said this so
many times on the show, but I go, there's something
so special about black bear people, and I think that's
what makes things so healing for us. Whenever we touch something,
there's this element of we're telling people how to engage
with our with us, and we're leading people to understand
(21:21):
us and to comprehend us. Right, We're telling people and
again I talk a lot about this in my book, right,
telling people how to love you, telling people how they
need to show up for you. I think all of
that is really a big something that I believe, or
at least I see, factored into your art and into
your work. And I definitely say I was a fan
before this, but hearing you say that, it really I
(21:42):
don't know why, just this week for something, you know,
for some reason or another, and maybe it is because
of all we've been through the last couple of weeks.
It just it speaks a lot to me in the
sense of that, So thank you for that. The next thing, Yeah, yeah,
I again, I always believe in giving people their flowers
because I don't think we do it enough, especially to
black queer creators. This this industry is so rough to us,
(22:04):
and it's so dismissive of what we bring to the
to the table, and I think it's just it's really
cool to know that you're you're existing in a space
that's it's necessary. Folks need to see you and hear.
The question that I'm kind of asking, or I'm kind
of wanting to lean into, is you know, how do
you make difficult decisions to walk away from things when
(22:24):
you feel like you're not being appreciated, Because I think
that that's some of our like you said to the
first point, we fear that if we say no, we're
never going to eat again, you know, And I think
that's something that a lot of our listeners worry about,
especially like with the way everything looks right now, So
you know, how how do you get yourself to that
place where you're okay to say I'm okay with y'all
(22:46):
taking this plate back.
Speaker 12 (22:47):
I have to remember how I started. I have to
remember that it was nothing that I ever sought after.
I have to remember that it was all placed in
my lap, that I was the one that was sought after,
not the other way around. And I have to remember
the tools that I got very early in how to
(23:09):
work hard, how to hone in on my skill set,
and how to make a way. You know, growing up
in the South as an eighties baby, society would tell
you that there are almost no options for you to
exist and.
Speaker 11 (23:26):
For you to throve.
Speaker 12 (23:29):
And I defied all of it. I became a very
successful hairstylist.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Early. I started in the history.
Speaker 12 (23:40):
At the age of fifteen sixteen years old. At the
age of twenty three, I was a six figure earner
at the age of twenty in the eighties. My god,
but I wish I was. I wish I was twenty
something in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
But my god, yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 12 (23:58):
I have to remember that I bought my first beautiful
condominium at the age of twenty four years old. I
bought my first Mercedes at twenty three. I bought all
of things that at that time I would define as success.
(24:19):
I bought it during the time and during an era
when society would tell you, because of who you are
and how you choose to exist loudly, that you won't
have these opportunities. And so I remember all of those things,
and I remember from where. I remember where I came
from and how I got there. And so it's now
(24:41):
easy for me to say, no, no, this isn't serving me.
And I know how to get what I need, whether
you give it to me or not.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Hello, Yes, because I tell people one thing about my God,
the God that I serve, Mama's gonna be. I am fine,
and I will continue to be. Okay, I know that's right.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I live.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I live. Yes, get up in here and start appreciating it, testifying.
Speaker 12 (25:13):
People all the time bitch I was buying. I was
buying motherfucking Chanelle and Solauran and all of that in
my early twenties in my earth. And let me say
and I and I.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Want to reiterate, like I said before at that time,
is what.
Speaker 12 (25:28):
I defined as success success right as a proud uh
person in my forties. Now I don't look at it
the same way anymore. Success is something completely different now
to me, and I'm proud of that. I'm proud of growth.
I'm proud of wisdom that just naturally comes if you're
open to it. And for that, I'm at I'm at peace.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
You know you do you, I will say, being someone
who has met you in person, you have a very
You can just tell when people are not well in
their in their spirit and their area and their energy.
And you carry such a very like it's almost like
baby powder. It's just fresh, it's joyful, it's just clean.
(26:11):
It's just you just have a very beautiful energy. I swear,
like I've said that about a lot of people that
I've met, Like you just radiate such a beautiful energy
and just such a joy I'm so grateful that I know.
But yeah, I'm just really grateful for And it was
it was very. It's very very. It's giving. Not not
(26:32):
Halloween stab stab stab murder, murder. It's giving. Spooky dookie insidious.
Is there something in the room with me or not?
Speaker 9 (26:44):
On the topic of spooky Dookie, I would have to
get all this out and just start burning in.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
She wants to be in the entire episode.
Speaker 11 (26:55):
Well, we got to up a show like we usually
do around these parts and give miss her flower Man
still here segment. And this is where we put our
hands out, balance our tities and uh in a in
a in a light some stage for ourselves this week
on the shows as we keep the train moving and
we are celebrating elegit to Kee plus History month in October,
because October is a month for us, although although its
(27:17):
about us year round. We want to ask a question,
if you can go back in time and we live
any Dragon moment performance or not, or like runway moment
or just a dragonment for yourself, you.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Know you've sperenced in your life, which one would it be?
And why now?
Speaker 11 (27:31):
For me? I was thinking because I thought about this
recently because I'm looking for information for my birthday party and.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
For the outfit, and I think a.
Speaker 11 (27:41):
Lot about the episode in Drag Race where they had
that Night of a Thousand Trains. Yeah, and some moan
came out with that do rag train. It was just
some It was just it was it was iconic, like
it was like it was so good. It was so
increddily black, and it's such a black US as high fashion,
and I live and inspire me because because as I'm
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you know, as I'm thinking of Alpha.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
For my birthday, I'm like, wait, I do a do
Wag train. You should? I should?
Speaker 11 (28:10):
So I'm so, I'm I think I think this week,
this week, I'm gonna get some braids done good, I'm
gonna do I'm gonna do a do train and then.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Reveal yes, yes, yes, do the braid. It's a whole
it's a whole moment. It's a whole moment.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You should do the non binary colors in your braids.
Oh yes, that's a look too, that's a thought that okay,
Oh yes you bet do rag go on, feel.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
Gonna be at because I think I need to be
there as well.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Come on down, come on down. They can take my
spot because I'm in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
I can't make it so Chicago.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yes, I gotta be in Chicago for work. Then she's
from Chicago, but yes, yes, but yes, the do Wag
train is definitely I'm here saying.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
How about you, what's your moment, your moment?
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Oh my gosh, there's so many moments I would want
to go revisit, like, off the top of my head,
I would like to go back to my first performance
that I ever did. I want to go back to
that moment because I vaguely remember that night, but I
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want to relive that night and now knowing the person
that I am today, with the information that I have, Like,
how would I attack the stage then knowing who I
am now? Because I know, I know I burnt the
stage down, But I'm like, ooh, I wonder if I would,
like if I would still do everything the same. And
(29:40):
I don't know because like now, I'm just as such
a seasoned performer, so I'm not I have no inhibitions.
I'm just like, Okay, I wonder if that that young
self would still be the same as I am.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I'm not going to hold I'm getting chills thinking about it.
My this is my all time favorite performance from you.
If you have not seen Mayhem perform, you're doing yourself
a true disservice. But I'm gonna always shout this performance
out because it will always be my favorite all time performance.
When I said this bitch is bad, she did take
over control and she had on these like headlamps on
(30:19):
her titties and they they were light, they were light,
they were lit up and all we saw was your
titties being lit up by the lights and then your
eyes were glowing. My god, when I when I tell you,
that's when I said, that is that girl is something else.
But that is in my mind that that's my one
(30:40):
of my all time.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Favorite may performed.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yes, yes, baby, like I said, I'm I'm I have
I'm not new to this. I am true to this.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
I know.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
In a long time that is one of my all
time and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Sitting yes, yes, but that is one of my favorites.
I wish I could go back to that moment. Please
give it up for the amazing angelic Cross. How are
you baby?
Speaker 6 (31:12):
I am just blessed and highly favored.
Speaker 11 (31:15):
We are so and we're so tied to celebrate you
in this episode and to also get more into all
things that you do. But for now, we all kick
off the show that we always do by giving praise
to our girl, Missisha Campbell and our opening segment. Still
here and to show that we are all still here,
we want to know from you. Just to kick off
with a little kikey, what's one or some of your
(31:36):
favorite moments in Black Heirstory.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
Oh my goodness. I mean for me, I think it
was in Living Color. You know, uh, as someone who
is known to be more of your improv type actor,
where you know, give me a script or not, I'm
gonna carry yeah and so and so, you know, we're
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growing up and watching Living Color. It was the Wayne's family,
you know, with the Jamaicans and all the jobs with
Benita betrayal.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
But you ain't heard this from me.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
With mental films, you know, there was so much that
I learned from watching them and growing up, not only
about how to be naturally sort of funny and kind
of improv but you know, I think that it also
is such a marker for us always about where we
(32:31):
were around queerness and transnis and you know, just being
able to still to see the growth is one of
my favorite things of seeing how far we've come.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, I think you know. So It's it's funny because
they when you talk about people who don't get enough praise.
I think, you know, there are so many careers that
were made from that show, and I think that there's
still so many actors and actresses who genuinely I think,
you know, like so for instance, I just watched a
clip of I don't know, Like for me, it will
(33:06):
always be kind of one of my favorite Black history
moments is the time when you know, Fox had all
of the black shows lined up, so there used to
be Martin and then Living Single would come on, and
then you had New York Undercover. And I know for myself, see,
it was always what I loved specifically at that time
was when actors from other shows would randomly guess on
other shows. And so like I remember seeing David Allen
(33:28):
Greer on Martin, right, there were so many yeah coming
the pastor right, and and I just think about the.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
Cous so Tommy, Tommy Davison with Tommy he's a foo
like he would just be such a but hilarious.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, it was such a It was just such a
key and it was such a moment when so many people,
and I'd say in general and acting and in the
acting world literally just you know, we're always kind of
in there in their head of of funny, right, they
were in their bag and they were in there head
around being funny. Absolutely absolutely, Adore, do you have any
Black history moments that you wanted to recall Joho before
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we move on.
Speaker 11 (34:09):
Oh me, I mean you know, we wasn't prepare for
this one, you know, the ones that we discussed in
our episode. But just I think one thing I'm thinking
a lot about I was, look, I was listening to
Black People Love Hearing on the episode with.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Uh with With with Kellen Allen.
Speaker 11 (34:27):
They were talking about kay right, thank you Alan's name,
They're talking about the Gia girls, but then into rayvend
Simone and just talk about like how that's a raven,
Like was just such a was there wasn't there would
there be a show like that, especially when I was
(34:47):
one for you, like for like youth and like young
like young kids.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
And to me, that show, to me, like that show.
Speaker 11 (34:53):
Is like a great like piecee piece of black history,
especially because of the time we're like a lot of
kids shows were really diverse and really black focused and
really really good, Like it was really good to me.
But also like just like like Riven someone herself as
a actress, like as an actor, like give me a timing,
like probably Papa storylines, like a great character, like there's
(35:15):
just there's just just no one else like like her.
And I tually think that she's somebody who does not
get a fowers that that she des her and I
really just like, I just love, love, love, love her
so much. And I've listened to her new podcast with
her wife, Raven, and I think Raven and Miranda, and
it's just yeah, I think that that show itself is
like cemented for me in like my own black history.
(35:35):
So because business in s Francisco, which is like part
of the Bay which I love and from, so it's
just such a special moment. I just I will never
not think of. But also her being such a pivotal,
pivotal person and like my own upbringing and like me
feeling seen in that family or seeing being seen in
that show, it should have been that ocare with me forever.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
So yeah, and I want to shout out too when
you talk about that's so Raven even they about my
brother and me. I don't know why that show just
jumped in my head, but that I grew up on
that show too, and so like you want to talk
about black families and comedy and.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
You know, like.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Hit me, like all of that is so like I
don't know, I don't know any Actually it's funny because
I was in the store and I saw that they
have now on you can buy it on Blu ray,
and I was like, for years I had been looking
for and I was like wow. I was like, I
didn't even know it was on Blu rays to buy.
But all that and like just so many and you
speak about Tisha Campbell, right, and Martin and just even
(36:33):
her being on the show and her comedian and like
she's another person who yes, just her to Sheena Arnold
everybody in the game what I like to call the
Black Heydays of comedy, Like they set the processes of
what comedy is now and we speak all of their names,
(36:54):
and you know we're gonna get into that, honey. But
I'm hoping we get to see them on a Cowboy
Carter Sure when I get to do a good once
you step in my boots to whatever mix that they're
putting together, because I know it's coming. But with that
being said, please give it up to my good Juty
of Morphous. How are you says so happy that you're here.
Speaker 14 (37:13):
I'm so happy, Thank you so much for having me.
I'm just honored to be here. It's been you know,
we've been talking about it for a minute, so I'm
glad we be able to make it happen for real.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yes, yes, Oh, I'm so happy.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I'm just again thank you for taking time out of
your schedule to come down down to the Black Fat
Fan Podcast to entertain us. Sweetheart, I'm here.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
We're so through that.
Speaker 11 (37:33):
I also must say I've listened to the things sat
shape EP countless times, especially back together with Kaylawne because
cis my burrow and and also the cover of finally
with Kelly Rowland.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
We'll cover slash new song with Roland.
Speaker 11 (37:47):
And it's so funny because like I listened to it
like not even not putting together that like that that
it's the same person we're having on the show. So
like it's so when it's like so when you're coming,
I was like, I was like, I was like listening,
it's so familiar, but the same person.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I was like, so very very very still that you're
here with us.
Speaker 11 (38:04):
And I have to say, while we are gushing out
the musical legend that that is you today a morphous
we go and kick up for our show by giving
our flowers between the legend, Miss Tisha Campbell and are
still here saying so for today's question, I'm not ask
y'all about something musical. I'm gonna I'm gonna ask y'all,
what is your favorite song of your childhood and what
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do you think it says about you today?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I'll start first and to our guests, okay, to John.
Speaker 11 (38:29):
So for me, it would be a toss up between
either you make me Feel like an actual women by
Ritha Franklin or wait amen, by the so first of
all these things they have this what these things says
I have good taste?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Okay, that's whatever say period, But I think I think
this there's.
Speaker 11 (38:46):
A notion that like, well, so one that was the
first one I can ever remember singing as a kid,
Like my mom always says that actually started singing chant fools.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
But the first one I ever like like like remember
singing from a full.
Speaker 11 (38:57):
Song is you make Me feel I think it it's
speakally notion that I really appreciate songs with deep emotion,
songs about love. It speak to like how I want
to love as a person, how, how how passionate I
am as a person, and how and how like for
me like like like this is the song that you
if you sing, write, or perform, you've got to give emotion,
like you can't dance the song that you you have
to stand. You have to give us a treats, real experience,
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like you have to really serve a song. And so
to me, it's like you gotta feel this music. And
so I feel like just me that I'm very passionate.
I'm in my body. I feel the things that I
that I say, and I say I speak the things
that I feel. I think Wait a minute by pisci
At Dolls. Pc D was okay, listen, folks. DC three
was my girl group, but so was PCD. Like Dolls,
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y'all can tell me nothing about person Dolls. And then
the album when this song came on, oh, I was
in my bag. I was in my bad first of all.
Her and Timolin just like just just like just let
to see the little video was so cute. I just
love to me it's it's just such a fun song.
It's a boppy lets you know that I'm I'm I'm
a like body girl like I could be. I could
be my feelings, but also but a house could come
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in and give give a little bazazed a little and ship.
It's just that song is to me, one of their
underage classics. If they ever did a if if if
if the if the tour that they're supposed to do
comes back, the one that they supposed to cancel never
had it comes back.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I want that song.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
I really love quiet as PCD's entire catalog is fire
in my opinion. But if we want to talk about it,
we can talk about it.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
But the entire cat like Thin album was it was people.
Speaker 11 (40:40):
Don't think we will say on them, but they they
were the pop girlies for me of the two thousands,
bottom pop all of it.
Speaker 15 (40:47):
Yes, go ahead, a morphous okay, my turn, Well, since
you were a d C three girl, I was a
DC four girl when I was little, so I really
loved Hey Ladies by Deski's Child.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
That was one of my favorite songs when I.
Speaker 14 (41:02):
Was younger, but my top tier pick which I should
not have been singing this song when I was little.
Rock the Boat Violin my favorite song.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Of all time. Yes I was little, it was just
talk about it.
Speaker 14 (41:14):
The vocals are underrated on this song, like the background
vocals and ad libs. She just floated and I always.
Speaker 6 (41:20):
Was mesmerized by it as a child.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
So to this day, like.
Speaker 14 (41:23):
Anybody that asked me, what's your favorite song, like rock
the Boat?
Speaker 12 (41:26):
Like you was singing that song at four.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I know what the heck I was talking about.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
I thought she was asking.
Speaker 14 (41:32):
Was innocently.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Rocking the canoe, not rocking the Canoe Chad. Okay, yeah,
rocking the canoe?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, Oh my goodness. Well, you know what kind of
the same thing for me, I was when I was
a child. A lot of the songs that I should
not have been listening to I was listening to. But
what I will say is, I think for me my
biggest thing was Anything and Everything by Michael Jackson. Michael
Jackson just really shaped a lot of it. And it's
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not even like Michael Jackson, like Thriller, and it's not
even Billy Jean. I'm thinking about Scream. I'm thinking about
they don't care about Us, and even a Stranger in
Moscow and shout out to some of the dolls who
don't really know that song or know that song and
don't like it. I just something they're so haunting about
that song, like Stranger in Moscow. To me, there's just
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something so deeply haunting about that song. And I just
I still to this day, can listen to it, and
I get chills, not chills in a bad way, but
chills in like a you can hear how lonely Michael was,
and you can really understand what he was going through
at that time. I just I don't know really MJ's
whole catalog, But again, I know how people are about
MJ and their feelings, and some people try to pay
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dust to Michael and talk about him and try to
throw you know, saw on our on our King of
Pop's name. But I will say this, you know, for me,
Michael is and will always be the blueprint no matter
who you talk about, no matter what grew, no matter
what person you speak about, Michael has always been that
person that informs how people move, even down to the
Queen now right. Beyonce has said that a lot of
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her work was influenced by MJ and also to the
Turner Right, And so I just say that, like I
think the reason why I love these songs, and especially
being a social justice girlly like I am, I could
hear the frustration MJ had, and a lot of the songs,
especially Screamed, could just tell he was really tired of media.
He was really tired of people lying about him. He
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was really tired and you know, really just tired of
people really trying to soil the work that he had
made for himself. But he was also singing about injustices
and he knew what was going on in the world
and how they were trying to silence and discount him,
discount him.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
And I could go on for hours about that.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
But I just think, you know, even if we're just
if we're taking away what media did to Michael Jackson,
I will say just to his music alone, had all
his music had something that was relevant about belonging, of
people really wanting to like him, wanting to wanting people
to see him, and it just I don't know, it
just I understand as an adult, I understand Michael so
(44:09):
much better now, I really do.
Speaker 14 (44:11):
And so for me, that was always it was music
has lasted so long, you know what I mean, Like
it's going to be for art even today, and today's
time is even more.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
Relevant than ever, you know, the song that you were
speaking about.
Speaker 14 (44:23):
So you know, I think that it's very unfortunate when
we especially our black legends, you know, the way that
media will treat them just anybody.
Speaker 6 (44:31):
I mean, you want to Beyonce again.
Speaker 14 (44:32):
I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about her and a few,
but you know, you look at the way that she
has been so pressured into having this private life, you
know what I mean now, especially that a children. You know,
you know, you say one wrong thing and the media
will spin it around into twenty different things. And so
you know, for me, not that they being able to
see Michael in his prime and his element, but knowing
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that everything is documented and I can go back and
look at, you know, like you said, the blueprint of
all these things Michael Jackson, names Brown, you know, Tina Turner,
the Flank and all these people that had to go
through the media storm in their own ways, but their
legacies has lasted forever. So even though he's gone, job
even gonna be speaking his name until the time.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
So I just said, let me just get straight to
the point, honey. So I definitely wanted to shout out
Sarah McBride and any black trans non by anybody who
is dealing with politics and whatever capacity, whether it be
in Congress, whether it be in the White House, whatever
it be, just to be in politics right now is
(45:36):
a sheer shit show. And my heart goes out to
anybody who's having to hold themselves up, talk about, you know,
wanting to give up and throw in the towel and
being tired and needing rest. I am sure there's so
many black and trans people who are you know, on
the ground doing some really big stuff and really important stuff,
and they probably are very very discouraged right now, and
(45:57):
so I just wanted to say, like, I'm aware of
what's happening to Sarah McBride, I'm aware of what's happening
to a lot of trans women, and I just wanted
to make sure that folks that listen to the show
know that you know we're sending you love and encouragement
and reminding you that you know your ancestors are what
makes you strong, and that you have a whole community
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of people over here who love you and support you.
So I wanted to say that on the other end
of that, my no Man Pam this week is Walmart.
So I'll be clear and saying I've been fuck Walmart forever.
I've never been a fan of Walmart. There have been
times in my life where I had to shop at Walmart.
That's all I could afford. And now that I have
a little bit of you know I have a little
(46:39):
bit of coinage. I like to tell people I'm not rich.
I just don't have kids, but because I can add
a little bit of extra cheese to my burger in
these in these times, you know, I choose to go.
I choose to drive fifteen minutes out of my way
to go to Target. And I'm not gonna say they're
even better, because Target, they've they've done some really fucked
up shit in the last couple of years too. But
(47:00):
Walmart has very vocally said that they're going after trans
people and that they're they're reversing a lot of their
DEI stuff, and it's just gonna be fuck Walmart forever
over here. They never can get They're never they'll never
see it. They'll never see an intentional dollar out of me.
That I just want to make it very clear that
you'll never see me start up my like remote, start
(47:22):
my car, get in the car and drive to Walmart.
That'll never happen. So I just wanted to say fuck them,
and and thank you for telling us who you've been.
We've already known. It's just it's nice to see people
validate who they are, so especially companies. I'm very happy
when companies tell us flat lee outrightly like we don't
(47:42):
give a fuck about you because it makes it easier
for me to say, well, then let me take my
money somewhere else, you know. So yep, that's all I got.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Says damn So.
Speaker 11 (47:53):
I just I'm I didn't know what happened Walmarts. I'm
looking at it and I'm like, of course, y'all never
care about this in the first place. You'll never care
about us, Like just.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
I don't care about in the first place, Like.
Speaker 11 (48:05):
I really tried so anything and everyone it's like everyone,
y'all all launched g I work on the twenty twenty
and then you said no, I don't see It's fine.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
I think they literally said it literally is given.
Speaker 11 (48:16):
Like oh Trump's back, thank god, we can just call
us to go down the fuck are you hos?
Speaker 1 (48:24):
And literally, Mama was just given the energy that I'm
given today.
Speaker 6 (48:28):
What is this not paid?
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Because nigga, we are in hell.
Speaker 8 (48:37):
Hell.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I asked folks last week if they could tell, like
if they would tell me if we were really in hell,
and people like responded back to me and was like,
how do we not know? Like yes, nigga, we are
in hell. And so today I'm just sitting with the fact,
right I'm sitting with the fact that Jessica Lank told
us that we what is this not a pad? Literally,
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I'm gonna be screaming at all weekend?
Speaker 8 (49:02):
What is this?
Speaker 6 (49:03):
It takes me down.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Every time away? She said it was just so classic.
But anyway, how are you my sister?
Speaker 3 (49:13):
You know I am that? So that's just not you said?
I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 6 (49:19):
Does it?
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Just chuck me?
Speaker 11 (49:21):
But also and made me think of that pisode we
did with XD, the Personal helpisode. I'm like, yeah, this
is a good moment to bring to bring that one
back for them.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Fam.
Speaker 11 (49:30):
It's Jordan ak your boo jo hoo aka giving us
Ray Charles today and like this point, you're like.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Twenty five, I'm giving it. It's giving a switch up,
like I need twenty twenty five. I'm going to I'm
going to. I don't really, I'm gonna become masked.
Speaker 11 (49:48):
I'm gonna like, I'm like, I'm start like playing football
and ship and being like, but the show, how.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Are we going to black fir film? If you.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Like, how's that going?
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Anything about that?
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Bitch?
Speaker 2 (50:00):
I think dam you got me on that one.
Speaker 7 (50:04):
No, No, I can't.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Why are you trying to limit me? I would say,
I think.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
You have to. It'll have to be a balance. You'll
have to You'll have to not you back in your.
Speaker 11 (50:23):
I think about that. She really got on the one
thing about that. How would I maybe you know what,
maybe I'll comment with like a queen. Maybe I'll get
like vocal surgery and I'll be like.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
You're still giving Yeah, it'll be butch fam Okay, it'll
be who there's there's a drag queen, the bearded queen.
It'll be yeah, it'll be given that all right, y'all.
So keeping up with the foolishness and the fuckery this week. Obviously,
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like I said, we're trying to keep this episode light.
I wanted to be a little bit silly, and I
wanted to ask us collectively as a family to come
to the table and to talk about some food things
that I have been seeing on the interwebs. And I
just wanted us to have a very lighthearted and fun
debate about it so that way I could go back.
So I will say that some of these questions spawn
(51:19):
from me laying in the bed talking to my husband
at night when we have pillow talk. This is the
stuff we talk about. We talk about food, Yes, we
talk about food, and we talk about things, and we
talk about stuff that we see on the interwebs. And
I've got a few questions that I know are foolish,
but I want us as black people because I hear
these conversations in black and black spaces and I just
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want us to talk about it. So I have three
of them, and I would love to know what our
guest thoughts are on it. And then also I'd love
to know what my sister's thoughts are on it. First,
So my first thought and first question, slash what will
say is a question? Slash thought? Is hot dot are
a sandwich?
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Now?
Speaker 6 (52:01):
Hear me out.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
It is a piece of meat and between two pieces
of bread. That is a sandwich? Am I wrong?
Speaker 7 (52:17):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (52:19):
I have thoughts, But first.
Speaker 5 (52:23):
I'm googling what qualifies as a sandwich. So the as
per Oxford languages, the sandwich is a noun an item
of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese,
or other filling between them, eating as a light meal. Yes, okay,
technically if we were to identify it, yes, technically, a
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hot dog would be considered a sandwich. I don't think
it's a sandwich. I think a hot dog gets its
own special thing. I do think a hamp.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Category. Okay, yeah, I think a hamburger is like a sandwich.
Speaker 5 (52:59):
But even that, I feel like his own a burger
because again I feel like there's a difference between.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
A burger and a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yes, because I feel like with a bird.
Speaker 5 (53:06):
Well, no, because there's different types of burgers too. Also
like there's different types of sandwiches. Now, a chopped cheese
is a sandwich because you have multiple things on it.
But I feel like a sandwich usually doesn't just have
meat on it.
Speaker 12 (53:18):
There's usually like.
Speaker 5 (53:18):
A mayo or like a cheese or a lettuce or whatever.
And I think with with hot dogs and burgers, they
can be stand the loans without all those condiments, right,
and still be considered hot dogs and hamburgers. So I
don't think a hot dog is a sandwich because it's
a standalone where to swear, a sandwich I feel like
has multiple parts in it.
Speaker 11 (53:38):
If that makes sense, yes, Okay, So now now I'm like, oh,
I want I want to get into the etymology of
burger and hot dogs I'm like, where do they come from?
Speaker 7 (53:47):
Right?
Speaker 11 (53:47):
But I disagree with you because I think is it
or is actually one piece of bread?
Speaker 5 (53:52):
Right?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
I don't think it's.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
Good, good one, good cats, good, thank you.
Speaker 11 (54:01):
Sandwiches are not vertical, Okay, they are not there, They're
not long.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
That is a taco.
Speaker 11 (54:07):
That is a taco. It is a hot dog taco.
I would not call it because buy me sandwiches. So
and this is also this is also what makes a
burger burger. Burger is round the bey. A sandwich is square.
But what about around the sandwich?
Speaker 1 (54:21):
I think you got but you got windies with square patties?
Is it? Is it the rounded doune? Is that what
we're talking about?
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yes? Yes, the bread is the bread is around the bread.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
The sandwich.
Speaker 11 (54:32):
Sandwich is a square like and listen, I'm at the room.
I'm just saying that's what it is. The sandwich is
a square. So I personally will not allow to be
a sandwich.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
It is it is.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
I would just say, like a different form a form
of a taco, because it is, you know. So she's
into something.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
So she's like a cousin to the sandwich. She likes.
She likes the sandwiches cousin. We don't really claim her.
Speaker 11 (54:55):
I would say she could be leather Cinderella of you know,
of of the bread stuff. Like she's she's a step child.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Step chat. Okay, Okay, she is.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
She's beautiful and we love her, right, we love her.
She's beautiful. She's delicious, like when she when she loved
the ball midnight. We love to see it. But we're like,
but you're not a sad person. But I'm also not
I'm not a big hot dog. That's not my that's
not my ministry too much the period things.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Actually, I'm learning as I get older, hot dogs are
actually one of my favorite things. So my husband refers
to it as circus food. He's real big on, Like
he doesn't like carnival food and we're wed. Yeah, he's
real big on. I'm not a huge fan of carnival
food and I and I get it. I understand it,
and I respect it. But however, for me, like I
have been craving a chili dog maybe for like the
(55:47):
last two weeks, and y'all know I got COVID and
was not able to eat the way I wanted to eat.
But today, like these last few days have been like
the very first few days that I've actually been able
to hold food down the way I wanted to. And
I said, oh, I will be eating a chili dog tonight.
Tonight will be that night I have a chili dog.
So I fox with in next question on the docket,
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do you now people I've seen people talk about this too,
specifically on TikTok. Do you pour the milk first or
the cereal first?
Speaker 13 (56:18):
Chill?
Speaker 5 (56:19):
Is that even a question? You put the cereal first
because you want to make sure that the milk has
the right ratio. I don't like milk like that, and
again I use oat milk, but like still, I don't
want the cereal to be too soggy, and I don't
want the cereal to be too dry. You want to
make sure that you pour the cereal first, yes, and
then you pour.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
The milk after that.
Speaker 5 (56:37):
It makes no sense, Like again, it's not listens like,
it's not like we're getting in a pool.
Speaker 9 (56:41):
It's food.
Speaker 6 (56:42):
Like the milk should not be waiting for the cereal.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
The cereals should be waiting for the milk period.
Speaker 11 (56:46):
Right right, said the physics of the cereal. Actually you're
not going to do Yeah, I also fact, that's like
splash Mountain, who put you want? You want little splash
bubbles on topic.
Speaker 3 (56:59):
So behavior I am behavior. No, I agree.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
So I almost feel like that that cereal conversation. And
we love our white listeners. Thank you for listening. Please
tell another white friend to listen to the show to
keep us on the air. But I almost feel like
some of this is very much like white behavior in
the sense of like I I've always been so I
will say this too, like growing up, Actually I don't
(57:31):
do it now, but growing up, a big thing in
my family was also putting ice in our milk like
we would we would pour the cereal and then we
would put like we would pour. We would put ice
in a cup and then pour the milk over the
ice and then pour the milk, and like that was
something we did, which is if and a lot of
my family did it. It was like a thing. And
I was like, oh, that must just be a black thing.
But I think overall, like learning, like the way you
(57:53):
pour your milk and then the way you pour your cereal,
I think it it just I feel like it's something
it's learned, and I like I've heard a lot of
white people do it no shape. I'm just saying that
it feels of like it's not it's not us that
does that. So I just wanted to ask that question.
Speaker 16 (58:11):
M oh, And I guess the only other thing is
I have to say on a really flip level. My
other yes, Maam has to be as you've already mentioned,
Sabrina Carpenter has made this last month possible for me.
I am working late because I'm a singer there I
can't relate to desperation, and it is that me espresso.
I make a little Moga pot every morning and I'd
(58:31):
like fill it and I pack it with like some
little spice. So today was cardamom with espresso on top
of in the little Moga pods. And I'm always like
I always talk to the Amazon Echo and.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
I'm like.
Speaker 16 (58:42):
By Sybrina Carpenter as it's percolating, and I'm just like,
it's a dance break.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
I get a whole dance, so she's she's.
Speaker 16 (58:48):
Given it, and I'm grateful my nom pam. I want
to I want to just I mean, it didn't get
right fucked like, but I think also one of the
things that has to happen is I know I'm pam
is there's just casual massage mair right, the sense that
black women are always not to be taken seriously and
they must always be considered after our men, And sometimes
(59:10):
people want to extend that to us when we look
enough dude shaped, and then they immediately want to take
it away from us when we are either too fem
or to to he they or too they for them,
And that all comes back down to massogore for us
and our bodies, So uh fuck that forever. And then
my other uh nome of him, just really briefly is
there are many reasons why the Drake Kendrick feud was exhausting.
(59:33):
We all knew that Drake a shit, and we know
the Kendrick beat a dead horse. We also know that
Kendrick is also a little bit not shit in terms
of the way that he engaged in a healthy amount
of missogymore in his own self. But what I also
I have said this were the ones to my student
yeah and yes and transplogia. I just want to also say,
like yeah, because he was absolutly transport in this. I
want to say one of the things that annoyed me
most about this disbattle is that then they did it
(59:57):
in public. So now white people feel entitled to have
opinions about all of this, and it is exhausting. I
am uninterested in almost every white person's opinion about this,
But because it is all out in the music and
they already feel entitled to everything we produce, they also
feel entitled to entering into any conversation with me about
conversations about blackness that they are actually not equipped for.
(01:00:20):
Half of those conversations that even Drake is having. There
are advanced level in a blackness and Drake is t
pos lots of ways, but you are not ready and
you are playing.
Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
And please don't ask us as we're black either. Don't
be like, do you have thoughts on the Kendrick and
drape a bitch? I listened to I listened to and
shure I'm listening to let on like I'm not. Have
I heard them?
Speaker 11 (01:00:46):
Yes, well I listened to them, sure, but like like
they like they are not my forever girls. Don't ask
you about them.
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
I have thoughts. I will tell the body, well, not
not you.
Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
How it's calmed down.
Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yeah, they're not.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
This is not a conversation for you, Chad. And while
it always reminds me. I think I shared this one
time on the mic. I remember one time I was
in Vegas and I was getting on an elevator and
there was a whole bunch of white women on the elevator,
and I think I had on a Beyonce shirt, and
I think that like that's how it came up. But
I remember them just like starting to sing lyrics to
(01:01:21):
like Beyonce's song, and I think that like in my mind,
I was like I kind of gave them that look
of like, no, we're not doing that. But it was
kind of like in my mind, it's like you don't
have to try to connect with me through like black
culture cysts, Like yes, Renaissance is a great album, but
bit just not for you like that that literally it's
just not like it's not it's not your thing. And
(01:01:42):
so like I thank you for saying that.
Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
What's some they say? I'm so curdles because I'm curious
of what.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
They were They like, it was really early in the morning,
and you could tell that they were over the you know,
you could always tell when the girls have had a
long night and that they drunk steal. But it's like
bitch is eight thirty in the morning. You needed you
should have been sleep long time. So I don't even
remember what song it was, but I do remember that
(01:02:09):
moment happening in an elevator where the girls was just
like like they were trying to connect with me on
that level, and I'm looking at them like, you look foolish,
like it that's not like I don't even do that
with other black people, Like I don't walk up to
other black people and be like, ooh, girl, like look
like we don't do that. It's it's still stupid. It's
just so yes, So I I really truly appreciate you
(01:02:30):
saying that, and and reality at the end of the day,
like that whole entire battle is just tired, and I'm
just so over it because I'm like, neither one of
them is taking up any energy in my in my
psyche and my cheek, Like I don't really care about
either one of them. So as we start, who are
if you if you could name two comedians who helped
(01:02:53):
kind of center your comedy, ee, who would those comedians be?
And then Joe, I'll throw it to you and then
I'll go last.
Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Okay, So I think it's actually great that we're talking
about Tisha and in the seriousness of how important she
is because the two people I would name one is
Martin Lawrence's Martin, you know, from the stage, like from
(01:03:23):
stand up on the stage, transitioning into network television.
Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
I think he's just truly truly.
Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Iconic on both levels and created things that have just
transitioned from one generation to the next generation. And but
the thing about Martin is as a thirty six year old, like,
it's just that everything about it encapsulates like my childhood
(01:03:51):
at lessons for the style, the colors, the the way
that we were as black people, freer to you just
communicate as us on network TV was really gorgeous. But
my favorite, favorite, favorite, favorite thing about that sitcom, especially
when you compare it to a lot of other sitcoms
(01:04:13):
led by stand up comics Martin, every single performer stood out, lead, supporting, recurring,
Every single character on that show was a standout. Tisha
Campbell to Sheena or everyone was doing the work, yeah,
(01:04:34):
to make that thing iconic and memorable for the ages.
And the other person I would say is Evett Lee Bowser. Yes,
Living Single, another iconic show that really gave you a
lot of other shows like it, you know, namely a
show called Friends, which then you know itself, I guess
(01:04:58):
inspired to hold a bunch of rather mediocre, mediocre white shows.
Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
But Living Single is another one.
Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
Again, from the communications of the style to the performances
of every character. Yeah, it's just such a powerful thing
that to this day, both of those shows I still watch,
I still crack up, and I'm still incredibly impressed by
the work that everybody did on those shows, performing, writing
(01:05:28):
and so on.
Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
What I love about you sharing about Living Singles. So
I never knew actually until like maybe a couple of
like maybe I would say months ago that I guess, uh,
the Max, Max's character was never supposed to be on
the show, Like that was a whole Yeah, really never
supposed to. They didn't want Max on.
Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
The show and Lawyer.
Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Yeah, and that's the reason why they have her quote
unquote being the neighbor across the street, is because they
were trying to basically write her out of the show.
And I eve but actually fought wore it and said,
if you don't have Max, you don't have a show.
So shout out to both you know, I go ahead,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
It was brilliant that she lived across the street but
was still a central part of YEA. Yeah, it's usually
just find some way for her to live in the
building to or live upstairs. And it was iconic that
she was as like accomplished and strong and outspoken that
she was. But she was also the friend that was
gonna leave her house and always be in your house.
Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Again.
Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Yeah, we all have all that persons.
Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
I always say, if I live closer to Joho, I
would always be at her house eating that I would be. Yeah,
I would be Max literally lived near you, vice versa.
If you live closer than me, you would have I would.
Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
When they came in with some growl streets and Max Wick,
she just busting the house and started wenting through.
Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
She said, got the oreoles and was like, y'all didn't
get the double.
Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Stud Like you didn't what you don't even even.
Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I lived.
Speaker 13 (01:06:59):
I live
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