Dare To Be Outspoken

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Black Fat Film podcast It's a production of iHeart
Radio and Doctor John Paul LLC. Hey, everyone, welcome to
another episode of the Black Fat Film Podcasts, where all
the intersections of identity are celebrated. I am one of
your host John, also known as Doctor John Paul, and
this week we are recording from a boat because it
is still raining in southern California, the eighteenth week of rain.

(00:25):
And I'm like, you know what, I know, y'all are
tide of us complaining about all of this rain. But
it literally has not rained like this since I was
a kid. And I just keep thinking, like I can't
even dress cute. Every time I try to throw on
sometimes or try to throw in a keeps you rain,
rain rain. All we're getting is rain. And I'm just
I'm really over it. If I really, like I said before,
if I really wanted all this rain, I would move

(00:47):
to Seattle. I'm done. I'm just I'm over it. Oh
my god, I'm screaming. Did this in like the twentieth
week of rain? Like God heals all or something? Is
this we're waiting for? Like Corithians for rain Indians like
what happens? Let me rain? A limited amount of times
do we get does Jesus save us? Do we get like?

(01:07):
Do we get do we get all debt? All debt released?
LANs plaid off? Like I can't get to know what
in this rain? No, girl, I'm just I'm really done.
But anyway, enough with me complaining about how wet my
pants are. How are you this week? Girl? I'm screaming,
hay family, is you're an Akja or your other co host?

(01:29):
And honestly, John speak for thyselves, sister, because the rainer
is shine, I am turning a fucking look. That's why
I have rain coats. I have rain coats to this
exact reads, and I have rainboots. I don't have rainboots,
but I'll just wear Brickley shoes in the rain and
I will suck them up. But I will still do
it for the Graham and the look this big area about.
He feels right at home because I am cell useless rain.
But I will say it has been you are right,

(01:50):
it has been too long a rain because I am
now the point where I'm like, why did I move?
What did I leave the Bay Area to come to
all this wetness? So yeah, I'm not about how much
rain it has been because I feel like I feel
like the promise that was made to me about something
California and San Diego rain all that much. Yeah, it's
a it is a lie. The frustrating part I'm gonna

(02:13):
say is so by the time you all hear this,
this will probably be what maybe the I would say,
maybe the good eighth or ninth week of like straight
rain we've had. And what I will say is this
the frustration, the frustrating part of all of this is
is that it'll rain for like four or five days
straight and then it'll go back to being like warm,
beautifully sunny. Ya'm like, oh, Chris, and then it just

(02:35):
rains again and then back to being like today is
beating on my face and I was going to be
a cloud over my head and I'm like why God.
That's the frustrating part, And that's the reason why you're
probably hearing me and I sound like I'm underwater because
I am still trying to get over this cold. But
I'm gonna save my conversation. I'm gonna save my thoughts

(02:56):
about this whole cold and what I've been through with
it for the end of the show. But with that
being said we're gonna go ahead and we're gonna push pass.
So before we jump into this week show, I really
wanted to say, first off, I wanted to give us
a big up because, honey, the last two weeks our
show has been doing it. Okay, can we talk about

(03:19):
let's let's do it. Let's do it. First off, let's
talk about us being moved to the new Outspoken network
for iHeart. Yes, yes, so thinking so for folks who
are probably like, what is outspoken? Outspoken? If you have
not followed us on social media, if you have not

(03:39):
been following the show we initially started when Next Step,
Next Up was moved over into Ihearts Slate. Now we're
on the Outspoken slate, and the Outspoken Slate is focused
on all the LGBTQ shows that I Heart has to offer.
And so we're on the network with folks like Lance Bass,
like Laverne cox Um. There's a new show called Squirrel
Friends where they talk about all of the roup Paul

(04:00):
drag Race with Alex map Yes is it. Yeah? Yeah,
So we're they're literally our sister, like, they literally are
our sisters on the network. And even cooler is that
one of the folks who started this program with me
um and I'm not sure if you had a chance
to Joho to meet them, but Carmen Laurent. They are
also a part of the Next Up program. They are

(04:22):
also on the Outspoken Network now. So again we've been
shouting it out all week from the high heavens, but
we definitely wanted to say shout out to Jay Brunson
and Roquel Willis, who really worked their ass off to
make all of this happen until line all these shows,
So that's the first cool part, and thank you for
having us right right. They could have easily told us

(04:43):
to kick my girls enjoy. They could have easily said
you can't sit here, but no, they they they brought
us in and they really have made us feel like
we have a home with iHeart an on this new vertical,
So thank you so much for that. And I also
want to say to a out out to Bridget Todd
who's also on it. They are the host of There's

(05:03):
No Girls on the Internet, and so with that, it's
been really really cool and to kind of tie all
of that into a really beautiful bow. By the time
you all hear this, it will be two weeks ago.
I was in Las Vegas at the Pod Movement conference.
We specifically talked a lot about the Next Up initiative,
and for folks who are coming in, they're actually getting
ready to start the new round of Next Upper. So
shout out to those who are getting ready to start

(05:25):
the same opportunities we have to start their show. But
I got a chance to meet Bridget, I got a
chance to sit on a panel with both Bridget and
Lance Bass and it just really you know, I'll just
say all of this and this is kind of off
of you know, I know you all know that we
have kind of like this thing we go off of
for each of the show. I'll say, off the cusp,
it's been really cool to really feel like I Heeart

(05:46):
believes not only just in this show, but believes in
the voice of queer people and really thinking about too
this idea of being able to take us to Vegas
allow us to have some fun in the process of
actually celebrating us and our success as well. Um, I
did get a chance to see that Magic Mike show.
So for those of y'all, it was good. It was

(06:09):
actually good. So it wasn't as much. So I'll and
again this is the reason why the show is explicit.
It wasn't as much dick and ass as we probably
would have hoped or imagined for a Vegas show. Um,
but it was really good. It was very I will
say it was done very tastefully. And the real House
Fives were actually filming the same night that we went

(06:29):
and saw the show, so the will house rids of
Beverly Hills where they're filming. It was. It was It
was a lot of fun. But I did get to
meet the stylist. I did get a chance to meet
the stylist of Erica Jaan's stylist. He came out right
as we were getting ready to leave, and I snagged
him and I was like, hey, can I just get
a quick photo and just you know, thank you and

(06:51):
you know whatever whatever are you say usually means see
someone who's like, you know, famous, No shade girl, because
I would say right now, I'm eflif famous. Um. But
with that being said, like it was really cool to
be able to just know that they were in the
same space and we were all having a good time.
So scre we are we are not fathless famous because
I just met someone yesterday who was like, oh, my god. Yea, y'all,
y'all the Black Fat Fam show. So we are at least,

(07:13):
at least honestly I underselling us. I would I would
go as far as say we are seless. People are
saying our names on the streets, so we are stay.
I'll take SE list, I'll take C list. But with
that being said, it was just really cool all all,
you know, all the way around. So again, I know
we're bragging, but I think the one thing I did

(07:34):
want to say before we kind of like hop into
the show the way we do. I think the bigger
part of why we're spending so much time talking about
all of this is really because folks like us don't
get these opportunities. Right. Um, It's very rare that you
see two black fat Fam girls who are not only
you know, on the front page of Apple Podcasts, but
you know, really happy. Right come on, Um, we we're

(08:00):
doing it, and we were putting out consistent shows every
single week. We're pulling in really amazing guests, we have
amazing producers who really support us down the house, down boots, um,
and so I just felt the need to like kind
of just take a quick moment. We're on like episode
thirty eight. You know, it's been literally thirty eight weeks
of us working our behinds off to make this go,

(08:20):
and finally it feels really good to see the world
actually starting to kind of like take notice. So um,
I'm laughing because I see one of the superproducers in
the comments talking about how they felt me about them,
about the magic all that to be saying, yeah, number
two is none of my two XXL. That was that.

(08:43):
That was the movie to me, Like when they see
I've never seen any of them, Oh I haven't. I
just don't feel they need to watch them. I just okay,
it's fine. I'm just saying, Okay, I get what you're saying. Okay,
I see that. Okay, it is. I mean number number
two was I think the best one. I am. Oh,

(09:04):
but it's okay, It's okay, Okay, you're John. Next time
I will make you watch with me. It will not.
But anyway, thank you so much, thank you, thank you.
I appreciate it. Well, we have to kick up on
the show like we usually do with our own to
miss Tisha Campbell, because as I said last week, we

(09:25):
got give flowers to our icons while they are still here.
And man, so the question, thank you, so the question
this week, and I want to get a little semid
but well let's be real here. I'm deep every week,
So kta get real deep with you. What is something
that has recently happened that has changed your values? And
by this I mean something that has made you question

(09:47):
of value and shifted a bit or maybe even create
a whole new value for it for you. I'll share first,
then we'll pass to you. John Um. I used to
pride myself on being quick, like moving quickly getting things done,
and like when ever someone has to do something, I
was always doing it really really fast. Always did my
work quick, whether it's my schoolwork or my actual job.

(10:08):
And everybody realized that moving too fast was a trauma
response to like disappointment and failure, Like if I moved
too slow, then I was going to fail at something.
And I think that comes in like like being like
being the fact in class, right, I'd be quick witted, quick, quick,
quick wit the response, be smart person because if I'm not,
those things that I'm not worthy of, like being existing
in life. And so it's so so I realized I

(10:30):
do that to like to have a defense mechanism in return,
I sacrificed intention and attention to details. So I think
the value that I've come to really value now is
patience with myself and with others. And like there are
times in which I extra is that exercise patience, and
I'm like, damn, I would not have been this patient
with like like ten years ago, when you're like, I mean,

(10:52):
I feel like I can be patient with the most
rambunctious of carens in the world and just like mmmmmm,
and I can be patient with myself and however, spond
to it too, Like I as think that I had
to respond to things like that and how always have
something to say, but like, actually nothing is that urgency.
Urgency is a huge thing within nonprofit work and a
lot of life, and as urgent as I thought I would.

(11:12):
So I come to really value patience for myself and brothers.
But John, you know, I appreciate you mentioning that, because
I think that one thing that we don't talk enough
about is the value of patience. And I even say
it in the sense of like not only just being
patient with ourselves, but being patient with the process in
regards to life. Right, And so I know for myself,

(11:33):
I can just you know, again, I'll say this being
in full transparency, because that's what people know here at
the Black Fat Film Show, We're gonna be transparent. I
think there's even a point sometimes where we look at
our show and we're not valuing the patience of watching
this this thing grow and watching the world come into it. Right.
You instantaneously want the fame, You instantaneously want the numbers
you but the world builds that up. Right, like everything

(11:56):
in this world, if everything, there's always a monetary peace
to everything that you do, time, money, you know, numbers
of people responding to it. So I think seeing you
talk very openly about valuing patients within yourself and in
others is actually something that I'm going to not only
just like pack Away, but it's going to be something
that I'm more intentional about as you know, as I'm

(12:18):
thinking about not only just my own growth as a person,
but I think with everything that I'm doing what I
will say, So I know when I initially read this question,
I have put that I you know, I think one
of the things in terms of value where things for
me has changed is really thinking about how we don't
talk enough about the ways that we get older and

(12:38):
we get into new situations, our values change, and I
know for me, one of the things that I know
I've learned to value more, and I say this in
so many different regards, is I value silence a lot
more than what I used to. And what I mean.
What I mean by that is I used to feel
the need to be the person to walk into a
room and always have an answer, to be the one

(12:59):
being able to give all, you know, basically coming in
as like, you know, I gotta come in being the dictionary,
I gotta give it. I gotta be Google for everybody, right.
And I think one of the biggest things for me
that I've learned as of late is I don't always
have to have a thought on an opinion. I don't
always have to be the person to know everything. I
don't always have to be the expert, and just being

(13:20):
good with just sometimes even being quiet, right, like I
puts as an example, you know, I remember, or I
can recall the last couple of weeks being in a
space where folks were talking really terribly about someone that
I knew, and I opted to not engage it. Right.
I knew in that moment that silence was going to
benefit not only just me, you know, And I just
kind of said, you know, I don't really have anything

(13:42):
mad to this conversation. And I think folks kind of
got the cue by me doing that that I wasn't
going to engage in the tearing down of this person, right,
and just really being like, you know, we're all, we
all have faults, we're all we're all struggling, we're all
trying to do the best that we can with what
we have. And when I was able to kind of
say it that way and I didn't really engage the conversation,
it was kind of like, Okay, I can see like

(14:04):
while it used to be cool for me to kind
of tear down people and talk terribly about people, I
think for me now as I've getting as I'm getting older,
and like I said, my values around not only just silence,
but being kinder and being more intentional on being more
affirmative in different spaces, I think folks kind of just
got the notion of like, oh, John is not going
to talk with us, Okay, let's change the subject, right,

(14:26):
And so I think that that's been the biggest thing
for me is really just learning that none of us
are Beyonce. None of us are at a place where
we're above critique, and so just really valuing the importance
of extending grace not only to others but also to ourselves.
And then sometimes, like my mama said, if you ain't
got nothing to say, don't say nothing at all. And
so that's literally what I kind of move on now,

(14:48):
m Yes, I love. So we got patience, we got
valuing silence, we got an ingress from for ourselves. You
know what else, the value John time, particularly our listeners time.
Let's give them a quick break, y'all, and we'll be
back in just a moment, all right, everybody. So this week,

(15:12):
I when I initially brought kind of to the table
what we were going to be discussing, you know, I
told Joe who I said, it wouldn't it would not
make sense for us the same week that Outspoken to
launch for us to not have a whole entire episode
that really celebrates not only just the Outspoken network, but
really celebrates kind of the things that make us proud

(15:34):
to be who we are. And I think a big
part of who we are are our folks who are
truly outspoken or we say what we mean and we
mean what we say. And one of the reasons why
I kind of wanted to posit this conversation in this segment.
So I don't know if any of you know, but
this year they're up in the Bay, They're they're doing
a lot to not, let's say, memorialize because Angela Davis

(15:55):
is still with us, but they are really focusing a
lot on the work that Angela Davis has done and
pretty much celebrating it. And one of the things that
comes with that is that with a lot of the
museums and a lot of the different you know, social
justice places that are looking at Agila Davis's work, they
are really looking at the notion of radical change. And

(16:16):
with the conversation of radical change, really celebrating and Agila
Davis for being outspoken and really kind of pushing the
envelope and really kind of retelling the ways are not
even retelling, I would say, reshaping the ways that we
think about voice as folks who are marginalized and are
pushing for change. And so with that being said, I

(16:38):
wanted to kind of create a space for us to
talk about what has it meant for us to be
quote unquote outspoken or to have that moniker put on us,
and what are the benefits are you know, what are
some of the negative things that comes with it? And
really thinking about like why we should be thinking about
why we all should be outspoken at this point in time,
specifically with everything that's going on. So I guess Joe,

(17:00):
I'll throw it to you first, like wanting to ask you,
when you hear the word outspoken, what does that mean
for you? Yeah, that's a lot um. You know when
I've heard the word, I've heard the word out spoken
wielded typically for myself in a very condescending way, like
when someone called out spoken is the same way as
saying I'm I'm articulate, Like you're so articulate, you're still outspoken,

(17:24):
you're so like courageous and brain It's all those things
to me how I was always felt like and I've
had to take take a step back and be patient
with myself and understanding how I how I like process this.
I've realized that would I take as condescension as is
like actually my power like people say that, people will
say that to me in a concenting way because they

(17:45):
are afraid of my power or you know, this person's power,
and so it shows that I actually, I actually am
those things, like I am articulate and I am out spoken,
and I am powerful. And I think I think a
lot about Audrey Lord when she wrote, when I dared
to be powerful, to use my strength and service and
my vision, it becomes less and less important whether I'm afraid,

(18:06):
and I think about that so much of like when
I when I did to be powerful, I dare to
be articulate and not spoken. It's it's not important that
I'm fearful. It's more important that I am doing this
in service of the vision that I have. And so honestly,
I think naming this network Outspoken is so perfect because
it highlights how much, particularly how much queer and transcritors
there to be powerful, especially right now in a time

(18:29):
where like we're like the legalities of our daddies and
our humanities are being questioned and brought up to Congress
and governments around all states and cities about whether we
can even exist in public. And so I'm I'm I'm
thankful and I'm thankful in this moment now to say yes,
we are outspoken. Yeah, I And the reason why I

(18:50):
want I love your comment so much and I love
that you included Audrey Lord because during one of the
sessions that we had at you Know This at the
pod Movement conference, it was actually during the next up
part of the of the initial conference, someone had asked,
you know, why is it such a big deal for
you specifically, or anyone who's marginalized to have you know,

(19:12):
this platform. And I think one of the things that
happens is oftentimes we get so locked up in the
fear of being who we are because we're constantly being
told that we need to tuck ourselves away. And so
when we think about being on the spoken network, when
we think about the title of this show, right, black
Fat fam we could have titled the show anything right,
we could have called it anything, but we came out

(19:33):
with three identities that the world oftentimes is trying to
make us tuck away. And so being on the outspoken
network means we're talking openly and honestly about those three identities, right,
and and talking about I think I want to name
to be very I want to be very intentional about
naming the idea too, that we're not just talking about

(19:54):
the bad that comes with it, right, The idea that
folks can celebrate who they are through the lens of
being black or fat, or film or all three of them,
and and and screaming that loudly in a world that's
telling you, hey, you're too much. And I think that's
the thing about outspoken that's very you know, when I
hear the word outspoken, I know for myself that's something

(20:16):
I grew up with, right, I grew up with the
notion of being outspoken is a negative thing because you're
quote unquote too much for someone, or you're saying too much,
you're taking up too much space. And it's like, damn right,
I'm taken up space because it's it's my space in
the first place, Like I should have already had this space.
And so now, you know, we're kind of reclaiming that.
And so I put a note here that I think

(20:38):
the word has a new meeting for me these days,
especially not just with this show, but specifically with where
we are in the world. We're seeing people get banned
for the outspokenness. And I put outspoken in quotation, the
outspokenness of being trans, the outspokenness of being black and proud,
the outspokenness of being queer, right or seem different in

(21:00):
any sense. Um it seems like everyone is kind of
on the chopping block, and so with all of these
injustices that are happening, I think it is so imperative
for us to think not just about this being like, yeah,
let's celebrate this vertical, but there are a lot of
people who are putting their livelihood and their lives and
their experiences on the line to give you a show

(21:24):
every single week. And I think that's the thing that
makes me so like intent about what does outspoken mean
for me? Right? It's it's knowing what could happen and
you're doing it anyway. It's really comforty to know that
we have some experiences with this word and that we
feel the same way about it. I really appreciate how
you brought up like just just just our name as
a show, because like the show is, then the name

(21:46):
is so on the nose for for us, and there
there we can discuss the ways in which on the
nose is not great. The nose is great, but for us.
I so like, I didn't think about that to this moment,
like oh, we're called black fat them, that in itself
isn't happently outspoken be huge because to your point we
are putting our dandies at people have not just asked
us to tuck away, but have tried to beat out

(22:07):
of us, or have tried to force us to not
even tuck but to kill like you know, we people
are for for try to force us to kill these
parts of ourselves. And so it is so rially audacious,
down spoken to be to be called this show. And
I mean, I really I think private this show. When't
people when people asked, like what I do? When man
don't talk about my minetified job because it's a very

(22:29):
niche job, I like, I, you know, I say, I, Oh,
I cost the podcast. I'm like, it's so because everyone
everyone has a podcast these days, is what it feels like.
But you know, then then I talk about it, I'm like,
you know that someone says, what's the show called them
my bff black flatfam Like, oh, that's not. Like it's
very on the nose, And it's also very important that
we are on the nose like we are stand We
stand so firmly rioted in ourselves and our dandies and

(22:51):
we aren't trying to hide ourselves. Like the whole point
is that the show takes up space as as you said.
And I think I've obviously been on my my Betty
who tip because we're seeing her, yes the two weeks girls. Yeah,
I'm so suicided for and this sound big where you know, yeah,
but Betty says that Juan apologize for taking his face,
which Partment was like, okay, why girl calmed down? But

(23:13):
also well a song for us, right right right? So
you know so so I'd love to ask, now, as
we begin to shift what this word means to us,
and we know that we want people to take the value,
will be out spoken with them, why do you think
it is so important for our listeners to not be
afraid of what needs to be said as well? I'm
laughing because you said Okay, white girl, calm down. I

(23:35):
mean because I'm sorry. I don't know why, right, we
love me girl, but no, right right, we will support you.
I'm wearing my shirt. But okay, we are there, baby,
We're there right right, we are there. But no, you know,
you ask a really good question. You ask a question, right,
why is it so important for listeners right now, um

(23:57):
to not be afraid to be outspoken? And I think
about and I think that that's the thing of why
I love this show like I love I look forward
to doing this show every single week, it's because there
have been so many of our ancestors who didn't get
a chance to say the things that we we said,
Like they set the precipice. They you know, they did

(24:17):
the work, but you know, whatever happened to them in life,
whether it be you know, they got got by you know, oppression,
or you know, they eventually just said, hey, I don't
think the world's paying to me anymore, so I'm gonna
just go ahead and go over here and be quiet
and just you know, let the world do whatever it's
gonna do. Because they got burnt out or whatever the
case may be, it's said the precipice for us as
people to come forward and say, you know what, I'm

(24:40):
not gonna let whatever happens to me happened to me, right,
or whatever happened to them happened to me. And it's
not to say, you know, I want to make sure
I make it very clear that I'm not dancing with
the idea of like, oh, I'm not my ancestors. I
am my ancestors, right. I tell people all the time
before I do any talks, before I go anywhere, you know,
and I do any trainings, I always say my answer,

(25:00):
come in the room with me, and they are the
ones telling me, this is how you do the work, girl, right.
And so what I mean by the work is is
if I have to tell the white person that they're
being racist, I have the power to do that. If
I have to tell someone that they're being homophobic or transphobic,
or if I'm having to kind of go to bat
with somebody about some type of injustice, the ancestors are
the ones that are giving me the power to do that.

(25:21):
And so I think that that's why it's so important
for folks to understand. You know, I guess I'm processing
like multiple thoughts at one time, but I think the
biggest thing for me is really I want folks to
understand in this moment when we're talking about being outspoken,
we're in twenty twenty three and folks are moving at
a rapid pace to try to eradicate us. We don't

(25:44):
have the luxury to be quiet. We don't have the like,
your voice is your biggest weapon, and I think that
your voice, you know, when you can incite others, And
I think that's the reason why. I mean, you think
about it. If and I've said this, if enslaved people
knew how to read, I mean I always ask this question,
like why do we think that enslave people didn't They

(26:05):
didn't want enslave people to read? Was because knowledge was
power and knowledgement being able to share it with your peer.
You are able to share freedom or the route to
freedom with your peer. Right, So being outspoken is just
that when I stand up and I say, this is
an injustice, and it's not just an injustice for me,
but it's an injustice for trans people, it's an injustice
for people in Palestine, It's an injustice for people that

(26:28):
are you know, that are that are being oppressed in China,
It's people who are being oppressed wherever right and on
a global scale. When I say that an injustice is
an injustice, period, I'm giving other people the opportunity to
feel like they can change something or can do something
about the said systems that are that are harming them.

(26:50):
So all that to be said, you know, I just
think that it's so important for folks to know, like
we don't. I say all that to say, we just
were not a place right now, and this is the
social justice tip that I'm owing these last few weeks.
I've just been sitting here and I'm going, we don't
have the luxury to be quiet right now. We just don't.
We really don't, because if we do, we are doing

(27:13):
ourselves a true disservice, especially in an age where information
is getting out so rapidly. So I it's I love
the ease because I often think of the quote that
you am part to me, and I mean, if it
is right from from Zoroo Herson, that yeah, if I'm
selling about my pain, they will kill me and said

(27:35):
I enjoyed it, Like yeah, I mean I've never done
that quote if it weren't for you, And I think
about that instantly. So here you say, we don't. The
luxury being silent is also goes hand in hand with that,
like we if we're selling about our pain, they will
kill us and tell us that we enjoyed it, and
that is I'm not just in that anymore, and this
in this lifetime. But yeah, and the journey no, and

(27:56):
it's not the journey for any of us. But I
think that it's also too, like you know, kind of
switching lanes in the same vein right the same way
I'm talking about all of the bad things that can
come and that's needed to be outspoken about that. I
think the one thing I love about this show too,
is that we are outspokenly talking about the joy that
it is to be us right, Like, I want people

(28:16):
listening to the show and not be like, Okay, here
comes another week of them talking about how bad things are.
Yeah it's bad, but girl, it's also bombed to be
us right, it's bombed. Sometimes it's you know, it's really
cool to be able to sit with my duties and
be like, hey, you know, this is what makes us
so cool as black fat you know, film folks. And
so I think about that too, Like a big part
of being outspoken is also, you know, pointing out the joy.

(28:40):
But I guess, kind of going back to a point
that you made earlier, I guess I wanted to ask you,
is you know, inward in talking about being outspoken or
the risk or the push that it takes to be outspoken,
whether you're celebrating yourself or whether you're talking about injustice,
what for you has I guess I'll ask you you
this personally, like, because you do do a lot of

(29:02):
like social justice work and you're in the community. What
has it been for you to note that using your
authentic voice when you're outspoken, like, how has that helped
you in doing all of the work that you do?
M I love love this question because it has absolutely
helped everything within me. And I if I so so

(29:31):
one on name like as I think I since before
in the mode of the last episode before like language
has been hard for me growing up because I talking
was hard for me growing up with my stutter in
the way a process and the way my brain processes
in my mouth like speaks or doesn't speak it And
so I have had to fight through my voice shaking
a lot to say things and to out spoken. And

(29:54):
and so I think so much about even if if,
even if my voice shakes, like I must speak and
I must say something, and it has it has unlocked
every door for me. I so less that I was
raised by two people, my parents, who really believed in
a better world. In some ways it was like you
believe in a world that isn't existing at present, but

(30:16):
you believe in a better world, and like an actually
want to see it happen, and you know, and I
think you know my parents I think they, I think
didn't do this little bit wioo. But I think sometimes
when people have kids, I think I think part part
of birthing something right is that you plant this little
seed of what you help with the future in that child,
you know, And I feel responsibility for that. I feel

(30:38):
a tug towards that, like I feel that's part of
my destiny and that's not for My purpose is to
help that seed bloom into something wherever that looks like.
And so it has absolutely opened every door. If I
wasn't this outspoken, quote unquote curious, as they would say
in my elementary school, right, curious kid who asked a
lot of questions and spoke up and spoke spoke out
for things like I wouldn't be I wouldn't be anywhere,

(31:00):
like I think so much about I think so much
about my my fort like my my first big career job.
And I remember in my interview they asked what knew, what,
what do you what do you have? Questions do you have?
And I and my mom had said to maybe consider
not discussing, like not talking as much about being black
or queer because it was for a Jewish organization. And

(31:21):
I said, I am black, I'm gay, and I'm queer,
and I have no doe what that means. But I
want to figure it out, to figure that figure and
figure that out here. And I think and like, you
know that the person who responded like was like it
says amazing people think and then they're like, if we
hire you, wink wink, then we'd loo to show you
what your community like. And I honestly truly think if
I did not say that in that interview, that they

(31:41):
would not have seen how passionate I was to be
in the to be in this work. Ye, and you know,
and and then and and I think I mean even
at school, John right, if I wasn't outspoken, we would
have never meant, I would never connected, like it would
not have been so everything I have done, like and
I would love to hear your thought on it too,
But I think for myself it has gained everything for

(32:03):
me in the best authentic way. I mean, yeah, I
used to want both to be influencer, and I then
stuck because I realized it wasn't authentic to me, Like
it wasn't the technologue using my voice, it wasn't authentic
how I was showing up like it wasn't fitting well
with me and I and I that moment was like
it may never happen and that's fine, or it will
happen the way it's meant too. And four years later

(32:24):
like I'm on Like I'm on this show with someone
who I love so much, who has taught me so much,
and it is making me realize how much of an
activist I am, and how much of a person who
fights for freedom, liberation and seeks it and wants to
practice in himself and in the world, Like how much
of that and how that influences me? So I think,
you know, it's gives so much externally and also for internally.

(32:45):
It gives me joy, like it yeah, helps me practice
self advocacy. It makes me intentional with the people that
surround myself with, like my friends, my fucking friends, like
my chosen family are the most self advocating people I've
ever met. Like they they advocate themselves and their jobs
and their relationships and their sex lives and their personal
lives and in their families. And I think that's so special.

(33:07):
It shows them how to love themselves, you know, it
shows ourselves that that we matter. And I think back
back the point arms. A few episodes ago, we talked
about loving yourself versus liking yourself, being it's not the
love for yourself because you're teaching others what you will
and will not you will and will not stand for.
I mean, you speak authentically, you gain self awareness, power
and keep connection to yourself. So I said a lot,

(33:29):
that's sorry, all all those things, it's all necessary. And
I think that that's the thing that if there's, if
there is not one thing I'm getting from people who
not only follow the show on social but also listen
to the show weekly. A lot of folks love when
we get into what I like, you know, with some
people we think, oh, it's very long winded. No, I

(33:52):
think people are listening and they're taking notes from you
and from me and from a lot of other individuals
who are showing up authentically. And I think that that's
a part of being what being outspoken is right, outspoken
in itself right. Not only is it just a vertical,
but when you look at each of the shows that
and again, and I want to make sure to make
this very clear, I heart did not tell me that

(34:13):
we had to do this show like, so, if people
are listening to they're going, oh my god, this is
just a plug. It's really not. It's me thinking about
what when we hear the word outspoken? It when I
heard or when I saw the when I saw the
actual like, um, what's the word I'm looking for? When
I saw what the word was gonna look like, when
I saw the branding, the logo, the logo, it's what

(34:34):
I was looking for. It hit me because outspoken was
never a word that I associated wanted to associate myself
with growing up. Right, Whenever I heard people talk about
Jonathan is outspoken or Jonathan you know they got a
big personality, right that. There are all of these little
words and monikers that people said about me growing up

(34:56):
that I've had to as i've gotten out, I've had
to reclaim, and outspoken was one of them, right, And
it's like, yeah, I am outspoken, And the reason why
I'm spoken is because I know that if I don't
say or if I don't like you said the self
advocacy piece, if I don't speak up for me, y'all,
niggas are gonna stop me out and literally like run

(35:16):
right past me and say, girl, you brought that on yourself, right,
And that's the thing like I keep thinking about, like
we're living in a time now where it's like people.
The only word I could keep coming up with this gaslighting.
People gaslight the hell out of you, especially when you're marginalized.
They liked, They literally like to say, everything that's happening
to you is your own fault, right, So if you

(35:38):
sit with it, if you're sitting here and you're going
something that's happening around me is making me feel a
certain type of way, and you're not gonna be outspoken
about it. You can't get mad, like no shade, but
you can't get mad when the intended outcome is not
what you want it. I'm not gonna be that girl,
because I'll say, like this, everybody my heart knows who

(36:00):
I am. Everybody in this world knows who I am.
I'm gonna say what needs to be said, and if
you don't like it, I'm sorry, then you know I
don't know what to tell you, girl. But I think
the big part of being outspoken really comes down to
this notion of knowing that life has never been like
we said and a few episodes ago, life never being
no crystal status for me, honey, And a big part
of that is me having to advocate for myself because

(36:22):
I knew that if I did not, that this world
was going to swallow me whole and then say, oh,
you brought it on yourself, girl, You're good, You fine.
So I think that that's the biggest thing for me
is that I think we really have to like I
guess this is kind of like a call to action
episode where I'm really trying to get folks to not
just tear and not go, oh, you know, it's so

(36:42):
cute and so cool that John and Joe Hoo, you know,
really love who they are. Yeah, we want that for
you too, right, We want you to love who you are,
and we want you to speak up for yourself and
own all of the great things that you are. But
I also think a big part of being outspoken is
making sure that you just you know, you don't take
no ship from nobody. And and this is like and

(37:03):
and and and when I'm when I say that, I
mean that from anybody. If it's your job, it's your family,
it's it's it's a friend who you know is doing
you wrong. And you can't actually you can't seem to
self actualize why you can't muster up the courage to
say you're being a terribly shitty friend and I don't
need your you need your friendship anymore? Say something, girl,
say something. I just you know, I I I know,

(37:27):
I know we cut to break soon. But when I
just I have, I feel like so gonna say this,
but one of my really good friends Kelsey, who was
also on the show before, Yeah, like like I don't know,
there's like a full chance I want such it's a
chance by I saw that kor that I I forget
all of it. But like it ends with like you
have nothing to lose about your chains. Thanks so much

(37:49):
about what comes to being outspoken and I and truth
to your point about called of action for anyone, listen
to this right now being outspoken. You have nothing to
lose but your chains. A man, we have doing lose
border chains we have, but we have and we have
everything else to gain. We have everything else to gain, power,
self respect, self love, care for others, community, respect for others,

(38:11):
change in this world. Like we have so much to
gain by by doing that only thing we can only
the only thing we were losing our chains here, So amen,
like amen, people, please, if you are listening to this
like like they dare, dare to do it, dare to
be outspoken for yourself. There's there to be out spoken
for your community. There to be outspoken, you know, for
your ancestors, for the people people before you, because they

(38:34):
brought us here and they did not like pass for
for us to not have a voice, right right a
man today. And I was gonna say, now now you
got me and this not getting ready to title it,
dare to be outspoken, because that's gonna be the title
of this episode. Yeah. So I love when we I
love when immediately we're in the show and the title

(38:56):
for the show immediately comes up because it's so it's
like laring at us, and it's like, well, that's gonna
be the title. So thanks for giving us that, Joe
hoo and and and again thank you for I mean,
thank you for engaging this conversation with me, because it's like,
I know people probably like again here they go with
the Salt Box talking about change, and it's like, you
can't you're not gonna you can't not come to the

(39:16):
BFF podcast and not get a social justice lens or
I don't think I don't think anyone who don't think
anyone who listens to our show is like, oh no again,
I think like they come here for this. I received that.
I received it because I'm gonna tell you right now,
that's all we're gonna do over here is we're gonna
we go on our soat boxes that we're gonna be

(39:37):
encouraging people to say what needs to be said so
we can get shit done. But with that being said, um,
I got to be outspoken about the need for us
to take a commercial break. So when we get back,
we are going we are going to talk about what's
on our plate and what's giving us life more In
a second, Hey, fam, we are back and for today's

(40:03):
What's on your plate? We're letting loose slips spill as
we talk about our favorite secret menus. Baby not I'll
be honest with you, John positive question. Actually was stumped
because I don't know Annie secret menus. I was like,
secret menus? What's more secret than what they got on
the menu from my face of the drive through? Like,
but I mean, I guess I can say an out,

(40:23):
but like, I mean, and they have and they have
animal fries. But baby, it's all I got and we're
we're gonna day in the age where it's no longer
secretly in fact, because of was googling secret menus and
out and literally said not so secret menu on their websites, like,
oh no, they know the secrets, so I have nothing.
So John and Enlightened talk about you let me know.

(40:46):
I'll be there for that. Yeah, not you being Whitney
Houston talk about you. We have notha cha No I
would go say. So this this actually spawned from UM
shout out to our super producer Anna Holstnia, who we
were when we were out in Vegas. We were talking
about like just different things we like to do when
we go out to eat and all of these things,
and they have brought up I guess and again I

(41:07):
didn't even know this there. I guess. In a lot
of Chinese food places, especially sit down Chinese food places,
they have separate menus. So when you go into a restaurant,
they will hand you like the traditional like Americanized Chinese menu,
but if you ask for like a secret menu. A
lot of Chinese food restaurants and they said the same
thing with like Thai restaurants, a lot of like Korean restaurants,

(41:29):
they have like actual secret menus and so I was
telling them, we were talking about it. They were like, oh,
you should actually have a conversation about like what are
some secret menus or what are some secret things that
And for me, considering where I live or where I
should say where we live because we both live in
southern California, there's no real like secret you know, underscore

(41:49):
a lot of the secret stuff that we talk about
and stuff everybody knows. But there are little things that
I love to do as a big girl. And I
shared this with somebody and they said, oh my god,
this changed my life. So I told some they said,
next time you go to Wendy's, like, these are all
my like secret menus of secret things that I know.
Next time you go to Wendy's, before they put like
if you say, oh, I want to frosty, before they

(42:10):
put the frosty in the actual cup, you take pecans
they because they have these pecans in the bag, and
you ask them to drop the pecans, or you ask
for two bags of the pecans, and you ask for
a separate cup, and then you put your pecans in
the cup and then you move the frosty over into
it and put the pecans on top. Of it. Baby,
Let me tell you something something about those pecans and

(42:32):
that frosty. The way it mixes it all change your life.
It literally is like and again, and I have to
always have to tell people. The reason why I know
this is because when I first, like my second job,
was working at Wendy's, and so I was one of
those girls who would always like, um, how do I
say this? I I wasn't stealing food, but I was
always thinking, Okay, that side was taste testing, and so

(43:01):
when I would taste test, that was one of my
favorite things to do. But a lot of the stuff
that I actually just learned random tangent. Did you did
you hear it? They got rid of potatoes. Wendy's doesn't
make make potatoes anymore? Oh what Wendy? I mean me?
I I do not like Wendy's in that little okay
you know where I don't know you. I really don't
know me. Sorry not for me, Wow, the armies with you?

(43:23):
But if we could go Wendy's a lot in that
last time I had Wendy's. As when I went to Wendy's,
I had droven my friend and and she was what
money as I said, girl, I don't want none of
that ship. And then she got safe that night from
Wendays and I was like, that's why I don't want
to know that shit. Oh live laugh love their social
media game can never give me to buy something from them.
But wow, I never been gone about you. But I'm

(43:45):
but the potatoes. I'm so I'm so sad about about
the potatoes. I will never buy. But tell me not
too sad me being sad for potatoes I'll never buy. Yeah,
I don't know, but a lot of their stuff has changed,
so I don't know if they're still doing chili. Um.
I usually only go there get like one. The way
I do Wendy's is the way that I do McDonald's.
I'm only going to go through Windi's and get the
same thing I always get the Osicago Club the same way.

(44:08):
When I go to McDonald's. The only thing I've ever
gonna get is the fish filet or the filet of fish.
I'm never I rarely deviate from that. Like, if I'm
gonna go to McDonald's, I'm only probably nine times out
of ten gonna get the filet of fish. I might
get some nuggets, but I'm not gonna do anything else
on their menu. It's just not but all that to

(44:29):
be said, So that was one of the secrets. And
then the other secrets that I have for those of
you who are Starbuckians like myself. So one thing that
I always like to tell people is, yes, the refreshers
have a lot of caffeine, but if you really want
to oof your caffeine or you gonna take your caffeine
to the next level without your drink tasting weird, I
always sub out the water or the lemonade for green

(44:52):
tea because green tea has the most caffeine in it.
And the reason why I know that it's because when
I worked at Starbucks, they sent us to like a
starbuck like green bean coffee thing and we had to
like remember how much caffeine certain teas and things have.
And so they still use Tazzo. And because they still
use Tazzo, Tazzo as one of the few brands that

(45:12):
still like they pump a lot of caffeine into that
green tea, honey. And so if you're gonna do the refresher,
and if you're gonna do a refresher with the green tea,
that that's that's the stuff if you're not an espresso girl,
because I'm not. I've never been like a coffee espresso girl,
but like a Starbucks refresher with like green tea and something. Man,
you don't give a bitch of a heart attack. You

(45:34):
want to talk about heart attacks? Have you ever had
one of those uh charge lemonade from Panera brand? No?
And that, And because you talked about me, I have.
I have one shot of caffeine and I'm like, it's
like my heart too much? Girl, girl, Yeah, that you

(45:55):
want to talk about you want to talk about something,
but no, I feel like the rush your situation from
Starbucks with like the green tea. It's just enough caffeine.
It's not gonna it's not gonna put just to Okay, Yeah,
it's just enough. It's not it's not one of those
situations where you're like, oh my god, I'm gonna die
because I feel like I'm gonna jump out of my skin.
But yes, it's just enough. Okay. So so so, so

(46:18):
what I'm getting is that not everything as a secret
menu as it is like a like a like a
customization that we do because if we're on that tip,
let me tell y'all, you can go to Taco Bell,
and you can sub all your meat for potatoes and
black beans, because that's why I do every motherfucking time. Okay,
I'm like, okay, please get me a verse subverse supreme,
but sub the beef for beans or just potatoes. So

(46:41):
if you want to sigre menu Taco Bell, y'all, just
sub your shit out. Because and as someone who was
a practicing vegetarian slash local vore, as someone would call me,
I was like I would I would not purchase I
would not purchase a beefel items. I would always sub
the fun I'm gonna talk about stuff. So that's a

(47:01):
segaret right right right there for y'all. And now that
you know all of our secrets, y'all, we gotta say
one more break to repent for it. But we will
be right back all right, everybody, So we're getting ready

(47:22):
to get into our yes ma'am and no man PAMs
for this week. And I did want to say real
quickly about like last segment, so I didn't want to
say like kind of a call if you have I
know you said that it's not necessarily a secret menu,
but if you have like something that you want to
customize share it with us. We would love to like
talk more about what and what are what are the
things that we are missing? What are the things that
we're like. Okay, girl, you need to try this when

(47:44):
you go here, you need to go back. And what
I will say is this Starbucks a lot of those
drinks that y'all make on TikTok. When you're like, oh
it tastes like this, it doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't
taste like any of the things that you're talking about.
It just tastes like a whole bunch of mixed up flavors. John,
is there a side of question? Is there a Dutch
Bros Near you at all? Yes? And I've been there once, Okay,

(48:05):
so they just so Dusch Bros. It literally has not
touched anywhere gonna San Diego, but they opened one ocean side.
And so if anybody has a cigarette for Dusch Bros,
lett a bitch now, okay, because that shit is what
growing up was only in like stocked it. It was
only as like in Central Valley, So I can never go.
So if y'all have Dutch Bros. Tricks and tips and trades,

(48:26):
let me know, Okay, Thank you. Yeah, but please yeah,
if you have that, please please send it to us.
We'd love getting to it. But anyway, getting into our
yest ma'ams this week, I'm gonna go ahead and start
so this week, I definitely just wanted to say, like,
I don't really have like a very direct yes, ma'am.
Obviously we're gonna say yes ma'am to a lot of
the folks. By the time you'll hear this, it will

(48:46):
be a week since that has passed. About this whole
Oscar conversation, there are a lot of folks who won
last night, a lot of folks who didn't. I don't
want to spend a lot of time talking about it
because y'all all know my thoughts on it. I wrote
about it for BT. If y'all want my thoughts on
the oscars, you can go read the article. Um, With
that being said, I just wanted to definitely say, like,
shout out to people who are who are winning and

(49:06):
all of that being said, but I did want to
say specifically, yes ma'am to anybody and everybody who is
doing the best they can with what they got. I
think Mariah Carey, right, I think the reason why I
bring that up is that you know, I've been saying
a lot in these last couple of weeks, is that
a lot of the stuff that folks are seeing in
this world is so massly, heavily curated, and there are

(49:28):
a lot of people who are beating themselves up for
not you know, Oh, I you know I didn't get
this book deal, or I didn't get this opportunity, or
you know, I didn't get this job, and I'm a
loser because I didn't get in. It's like, nah, girl, Like, yeah,
they may be. It may look like everything's going good
for some people online, but there are people who are
over here struggling. So UM, I definitely just wanted to

(49:48):
send a shout out to folks who are genuinely, like
you know, really doing the best that they can, whether
it be financially, whether it be mental health wise, whether
it be physically. Like, everybody is dealing with something, and
all of us are dealing kind of with the same things, um,
especially marginalized folks. Right, We're all dealing with bands, We're
dealing with you know, money, everything is high. I'll just

(50:09):
say this, I went grocery shopping with my husband this weekend.
My god, what like literally we didn't. We got maybe
six bags and we spent one hundred and fifty dollars. What. Yeah,
it is definitely giving struggle bus. Um. So I definitely
would say that we are driving the struggle bus straight

(50:34):
to hell because everything is awful and we are all
doing the best that we can. Now, where I'm about
to go off how much time with that we got about?
I'm looking at the time here and I'm wanting to
make sure that I don't take all of the time.
So my no man pam this week um I normally,
so I'll say this, I want to I want to
start here and then I want to go somewhere with

(50:56):
this story. Where I'm going to start is this, I
recognize heavily that we are not out of a pandemic.
Totally get it, totally respected, totally understand it. I am
still masking. I am doing the best that I can
too mask wherever I can mask. I'm also recognizing that
people are not taking They never have, but people are

(51:17):
not taking the pandemic seriously. Okay. So I say that
to say to this point that I also recognize that
during the pandemic, there were a lot of folks who
were nurses, doctors, care providers, you name, anybody who worked
in the medical industry has been inundated with the shit
that is either what happened during COVID, that time in

(51:41):
that window where everything was shut down, and it's still
even rectifying and dealing with all of the shit that
came from that. Right, So, there are a lot of
folks who are burnt out, a lot of folks who
dealt with a lot of death, a lot of people
who are just a lot of people are dealing with
a lot of stuff across the board. Where my Nomanpam
comes in this week is specifically with the situation and

(52:02):
the incident that I had with Kaiser. And the reason
why I'm naming them is because I think it is
imperative for us to be transparent about I wouldn't I
wouldn't call it it injustice, but I think I and again,
And if you want to say, John, you're reading too
much into a girl dialobacua or not, you can, but
I think for me, it's just it's it's hell of

(52:23):
frustrating when you when you say you're not well. So
I have not been well. I'll say this, I've not
been well since March lies. I've not been well, probably
since February twenty sixth. That was the last time that
I felt like myself right where I felt like I
wasn't like cloudheaded, that I felt like I wasn't wheezing,

(52:46):
that I didn't feel sick. It was around Favorite twenty
six So I called Kaiser a week later and said, hey, girl,
something's wrong. I know my body. I know that I
have had pneumonia before. I need medication. I need help.
They oh, well, we're not giving you antibiotics. We're only
going to prescribe you this this on the other and
I'm going, Okay, I understand that y'all are not wanting

(53:07):
to give people antibiotics really nilly, but I'm telling you
that this is going to turn into on set pneumonia
if you do not do anything about it, because I
know my body. I have been dealing with asthma and
sickness for years. A cold for me can kill me. Okay.
And I'm telling the doctors this because I can't get

(53:28):
into my primary and that's one of the other issues
that I have with Kaiser. You can never see your primary,
but you can always see in some other providers. Okay, fantastic, right,
So see them, they prescribe me stuff doesn't work. I
go into the hospital. When I see the doctor, she
basically treats me as if I'm making all of this up. Well,
your lungs sound fine, but I can't breathe sis like

(53:54):
I like, you're not even giving me time to explain
to you what my symptoms are. You're so quick to
try to get out of here and so without without
going on for too long. I guess my biggest thing
is and I'm just gonna say this, and this is
gonna be my no man, pam, no ma'am. To anybody
who is doing a job that feels like they can't
give their best at their job. If you hate your job,

(54:16):
if you hate the people that are coming into your job, specifically,
if you are in like if you're in the medical
field and you're treating people like shit, I don't care
what the pandemic. I don't care what happened to you
during the pandemic. I get it, we all went through it.
But when it comes down to me and my health,
especially since I'm paying a copay and on top of that,

(54:36):
I'm having to pay all of these different things to
make sure I have coverage. You like you. We gotta
do better. We gotta do better, sists. And it's not
just this is not again, I'm not I'm not pointing
specifically at Kaiser. I'm talking about everybody who's in the
medical industry. If you hate your job, if COVID has
pushed you to hate your job, quit find some thing else.

(55:00):
Because I know a lot of educators who have left
the field. I can't teach kids anymore because I'm not
happy here, so let me go find something else, okay,
Like and again, i know it's not so easy to do,
but I'm just saying like that, that's my noma. Anybody
who was staying in a job where they know they're
not happy and are making clients are people who need
a service from said job miserable because you are miserable.

(55:24):
That's where I'm at. And it's so real, Like I
totally hear on that. The men's a great good cheek
of the healthcare system in general, Like the healthcare system
all around the US is and has often been an
an attracious system. And it's so weird because like when
you get you get bad care, you're like, this is
typical when you get good care, like, oh my god,
have good care and like you, I know, I was

(55:45):
sick right as you got better. And I had twelve
days of this like the most excruiing stort through in
my life. And I went to urgent care and they
would just like here some cost every girl. And I
was like okay, and then and then and then and
then a week later, I'm like, okay, well now I'm
coughing and dry heaving for no reason, like I'm throwing
like I'm not throwing up out of them, like I'm
just dry heaving every two hours, and like and like

(56:07):
and it's it's like it's like it's it's like a
like a game up like Russian Roulette when you when
you go to ale, because like you have no do
who you get. And the doctor I had last time
was like, you have bronkottas, here's an ambiotics. And in
three days, bitch I was the only person I said,
Oh my god, yeah, I truly, I truly thought. I
was like I will never know what I feels like.

(56:29):
La again without pain is like to go on night
without coughing on the right off. I was like to
to to sleep a full night without waking up four
times and like wow, you know three days and obviously
like y'all if if you even feel better, if you
feel better in two days, take your ambiots into the
But like I was, like, bitch, I am back, but

(56:49):
probably demand So you know, I totally feel you on
that healthcare system is lawd in so many ways, and
people don't get the care that, people don't get the
care that they need and to the point about just
all the things you like, people die. People die because
they're not listen to buy their healthcare professionals, and that
is really really messed up. So yeah, I hear you

(57:09):
and feel you on that. Oh, let take a quick
breath for that, because that is some like really real shit.
If anyone can help our healthcare system get better and
let us know. Um, I'm gonna say my yes, ma'am.
PAM is gonna go as so as a gen name.
By the time it comes out, it will be a
week two weeks past um the oscars um and I

(57:30):
will as well, but I will say I will give
a yes me mpam to the daniels Is. Except in
speech or bet for for best for best, directors can
ask are they a couple? No? They're not. No, an,
They're not okay. I hoped I had well, I hoped
that I hope that they know Qualm was queer, um

(57:52):
and like like like could very well be queer as
well as they could be queer as well. Right, I
was just wondering kids when everyone's been preferring they could
be cares. But yeah, but and so I don't but
the the white one, I don't think his name is Daniel.
So I'm like, where Daniels. I mean, I don't get it.
But whatever, but I'll both have to say like there

(58:13):
as a team live laugh, love them. I love them both. Um,
they you know, they create a great film. So and
I will give them for sure that um and everything
out everythink edywhere all of one's got mad awards, um,
and so the simple in their in their awards speech,
the I'll say, white Daniel a simple comment about drag

(58:33):
not hurting anybody word to Tennessee and all the other states.
And I just have to say yes because and they
said that, because it was how doing that got them
into film and how it got them to this point.
Like I think they said something around to I think
like to their families or to their educators like who
who who let them make poor things and just up
and dragged to make them feel like they're creative, And

(58:54):
how dragons are hurting anybody. That was so so simple
but powerful and effective in my opinion. And then Daniel
kwan um his speech about immigration and how that waves
to protect this particular film and like how that is
his own story as well as dreams and like and
dreams immigrants and immigrant families and migrant families, which is
so so so powerful. It was just such a beautifully

(59:15):
truly beautiful speech. Like I really enjoyed their speech. I
really enjoyed Michelle Yo speech, really joyed. Oh I forgot
his name, but the but the leading mill after in
that film as well, I'm really for his name, but
I love him so much. But both and all this
speeches spoke on the immigrant experience with think is so
special because you don't hear that a lot. Soue yes
maampam to that huge, huge, you know, yes, mempam to

(59:37):
the first time that the Asian experience has really won
in this way, the Asian make experiences won in this
way in the show like this, So I don't thinkfu
why I'd say that while also holding that progress could
look so different as well than when it has been
te and I really hope it continues to change and
then a faster ray in which it has um my, no, mam,
pam is just to the silic con delly bank buyout

(01:00:01):
bail where the fuck it's called? In our banking system
as a whole, like healthcare, banking system is flawed. I
am not an economist, so someone police a free to
correct me and give me some clarity. But to myer
standing in our governments still debating the debt seating the
debt ceiling crisis, like isn't right now? Congress and Congress
debating however to raise our debt ceiling and we're a

(01:00:21):
broken workers? Will do we have the time or the
money to builoup these banks that have done nothing but
a but like nothing but contribute to gentrification, to loss
of jobs, to like to create tech, just create gig
workers that then don't have access to healthcare, Like why
are we bailing people out and also not paying off
and like if you don't cancel, if you don't say
that ship, then at least can'tcel our student debt? Like

(01:00:43):
do something? Hello, how some money to guarantee deposits for people,
but nobody to supports social services. It just make it
makes sense. And so so no man Pam to Silicon Valley,
I I I won't say, I will never say I
take pleasure or joy and seeing things from but I
definitely don't feel sadness for seeing things crumble like this.

(01:01:04):
So live life, love that for you, um, good luck,
and I really hope that if if y'all get saved,
we saved. We we can'tcel send and do all the
things as well. We're just some saved that because I
mean they like I don't just need my money back.
My little two hundred thousand dollars is not gonna do
nothing for what traillions of dollars we're in debt, girl,

(01:01:27):
let it go it just or just cancel on them together,
like Darius say, just cancel money, because clearly it's like
clearly it's fiction, Like clearly it's not real. And we
are kind about talk about the beating racial the dead
ceiling that we already have borrowed too much and we're
real like doesn't exist. But like who am I? Who
am I besides besides the bitch who just says that
ship on the show. That's fine, that's fine. What you

(01:01:49):
say it is valid. Girl. Cancel it all. Cancel everything, honey,
cancel all debt. I don't love cancel couldium? I cancel
that death right right? Yes? Support me, bitch, yes, support me,
and cancel these loans. Lord Jesus, what would that being said?
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(01:03:22):
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(01:03:44):
did you watch? Have you watched this past week's drag race?
You know? Okay, I just wanted to make sure before
I just so when so spoiler alert, we are going
to be talking about the who who were in the
bottom two. But when Akiria was dancing against Marcia and
remember when Marcia a tucked Nittra. Sorry, remember when she

(01:04:06):
tucked and she said who Yeah, everybody said that was
time going was Anitra ducking over Marcia. So also that
lip sync should have been a double chantey. I truly
did have a white girl lip but I was like

(01:04:26):
they both be literally literally truly god like Marcia save
her and a Nitra did needed to be let me, Okay,
I'm gonna just I'm gonna take a moment to just
say this real quick and then we gotta wrap up.
If you are going to lip sync, that is how
you do a lips That is how you go out.

(01:04:49):
You go out like I'm I'll never go up for
a white queen like that. But Marcia ate down that
entire performance from on the Flo. That not not one crumb.
If you are going to fight to save your life
on a show, that is how you do it. That
is how you do I literally it was just amazing. Yeah,

(01:05:13):
that is how you do a lip sync. I was
so pleased. I kid you not. If they if they
bring her back next week, it will be well deserved
to bring her back, truly deserved because she fought for
her life on that stage. Marsha Marsha. Marsha paid her
dust um. But anyway, I'm off my route Paul Drag

(01:05:35):
Race soapbar. With anyway, all that to be said, you
can catch me down to the Rallies, girl, girl. They
just opened the Rallies two blocks away from me. I
have never been, so I really really yeah. This weekend,
I think that's gonna be one of the places I
slide through. So this week I'm gonna go down to
the rallies. Hopefully I feel a little bit better. I've
been really trying to limit how much like junk I

(01:05:57):
take in as I'm trying to get better, especially being
that I have not been home for like I've only
probably been home. But it's we're halfway through the month.
I've probably only been home for like four days out
of the month, and so I'm really trying to like
be mindful about how much junk I put into my body.
With all that being said, though, I might tip down
tip tip tip on hard room floor Downes to try

(01:06:20):
and to check out and see what they have. But anyway,
and if there's anything also that y'all think I should
try when I go down to Rallies, you can let
a girl know on the social media's anyway, all that
to be said, you can also follow me at doctor
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our supervising producers Rebecca Romos and Bay Wang, and our

(01:06:41):
executive superproducer, Anna Hasnia. We would also love to give
a special shout out again to everyone who helped make
Outspoken happen, specifically Jay Brunson and Roquel Willis. We love y'all.
We would like to also shout out our wonderful editor
Chris Rogers, who just had something amazing happened to them.
We might talk a little bit about it, nay, but

(01:07:04):
I'm gonna see Chris. You let us know if we
can talk about it next episode. I don't I don't
want to put all your business out on frountreet, But anyway,
I'm just so proud of you, and I know that
we talked about it last week, but I just want
to make sure that we know that we are celebrating
you again. Is here because you officially so last week
you got the call, but you officially start. I want
to make that clear. You officially started, uh this week,

(01:07:27):
and so I want to make sure that I'm saying
congratulations on your new journey and all of that. Anyway, UM,
we love you and we're proud of you, and thank
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