F*ck Bob...and His Little Dog Too!

This week the BFF's talk taking up space, why "The Biggest Loser" doc is one of the worst docs we have seen in a long time and why Amanda Seales will always be better than us because...yeah.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The book Fat Film Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
and Doctor John Paul LLC. Hey, everyone wants to put
another episode of the Whatsfiffin podcast for all the intersections
of d NDA celebrated. I am one of your host
Johnason on us Doctor John Paul, and I don't know
who told August that she had to be in a rush,
but am I the only one who feels like August

(00:22):
has somewhere to go expeditiously? Like at the beginning of
the year she was giving slow musher for man, slow
musher for man, slow busher for men, boom and slow
busher for man, and now bitsiness given? Can you keep up,
baby boy? Remember lose my birth? Baby boy? Member lose
my like this? Can you slow down just to be

(00:42):
can you August twentieth already? And by the time y'all
hear this, it's gonna be like August twenty seventh. It's ridiculous,
it's crazy. Anyway, How are you my lad girl? For me?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's giving that little laughing song we posted and say, ah, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Been giving me.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
This was this whole year has been giving me. It's
just that laughing track the years just laughing at me.
Every mother fucking day, hour to look a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
It is just so much laughing at me.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
We're not with you with me, amen, Joe, and it's
just Joe hoo to y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
People can call me j lately, and I gotta tell
y'all that it is Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
My dad, my dad was called j D.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
And I just it's it's too close. That man had
a horror, a horror. Don't put me in the same
box as him. Yeah, I'm nothing to carry on the
JD moniker.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
It's not for me.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I don't need it because like, oh it's cute, it
sounds professional. No, no, it's it's it sounds it sounds heartbreaking.
It sounds it sounds it sounds it sounds like infidelity.
It sounds like like, well, it sounds like trauma, is
what I hear. There's a lot of times like to
the to the j D name, I do not want it. Now,

(02:12):
what if you did hold on? Now, what if you
did j D?

Speaker 3 (02:16):
What if.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
With like a jay and then like you put like
one of those with the you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
My friend, my friend called me, they'll do the j
D e can axtent though J Day, and I'm like,
you know, it's just it's just I know, it's just
things like.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Like I grew up with everyone calling him that nickname,
and so I think it's it's just weird to hear him.
But also like a lot of axes.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Call him that, and I'm like trickery not It's like
it's like, you know, it's like it's like is that
big deal? Know, but I just would prefer it's not.
I prefer not not for me. By its not for me,
like I as well, it's not for meybe like I
don't get like like I don't feel enraged, just don't
love it. It's just it's also kind of like when

(03:08):
people call me Johnny, I'm not I'm not.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's like that's Johnny. This isn't sound and I am
an uncle Johnny to different like so my nephew, I'm
uncle Johnny, you know, and then to my brother, I'm Johnny, right,
but to other people, I'm just not Johnny. And it's
not like when people hate what's up Johnny, No, don't
do that, like it's just not me. So I get it,
I get it. But I was just saying like I
was trying to, like, you know, trying to make it

(03:32):
fetch right, and you're like, that's just not gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Today, day to day, that's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, well shady, but you know, listen when you know, Okay,
it's right if it fits. But we're not shady around
these parts. So with that being said, we are going
to get into the first segment of the show as
we always do. This week is jam packed. We just

(04:00):
we have a lot to say this and so with
that being said, we are gonna start the show like
we always do, giving our girl, Miss Tisha Campbell her
flowers and I'm I'm I'm a still here segment and
here here, and this week we have goneer. If if
you've if you've been paying attention, if you read the

(04:22):
you know, if you read the description, if you know
the title of if you looked even look some of
y'all just click and play, and if you even know
the tide, how you do it? If you and you
know the title. This week we are talking a lot
about anti fatness and detail and so in this week
still Here segment, I wanted to ask you what does
it mean for you to take up space. Now. This

(04:44):
can be and I want to be clear this this
is not just talking about size, right, This can be body,
this can be personality, This can be simply just being joho, like,
what what does it mean for you? So? I want
to I want to know your thoughts and then I'm
a dovetail and then I'm gonna give mine. So what love?

Speaker 5 (05:01):
So for me?

Speaker 1 (05:02):
I really like this question a lot. I think I
take it space.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
By like I'm always willing to ask the hard question
or do the hard thing.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I think I think I'm a bit bold like like in.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
That end, I don't always mean like emotionally difficult, even
though often is that like I will ask the hard
question that people when I ask for people are nervous
to ask. But I also do the thing that people
like nervous to do, like for like right like like
like like I will call some out for being an
asshole to me, like I will be like, you're being
an asshole, you.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Need to call me.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Or I will ask for a remake of my ice.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Coffee, like I asked for decaf, not for caffeine because
I hate you because if.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
I have caffeine to mumble palpitae and that will not
be cute like like right like and like and like.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
And it's really the deeper meaning of that is I
take out space.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
To suffer less, like I take out space by advocating
for myself more.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
And sometimes it's too much. But I don't I don't
know that we have to allow suffering and an into
in shrinking ourselves srinker.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, Like I don't need like right like if I like,
if I choose, for example, if I choose to deal
with the coffee, I know that like in that hour.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
My heart will be racing, I will feel anxious as hell.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Hey, you have to deal with that all day? Yeah, So, like,
I'm not gonna suffer for this.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Right, I know, if I don't ask the hard question
of somebody I'm gonna think about, I'm gonna think like
what wo, what are they gonna do?

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Or how are they going to react?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Or like or you know, like, if I don't advocate
for myself, I'm gonna think what what could I have
done differently? And so I would rather not suffer because
suffering is not dear to me. I'm not trying to
hold suffering to myself, right, And so I think it's
advocate for myself more by doing things that feel challenging
and like not always like there are sometimes some days
in which I'm avoidant. For sure, I think I'm I'm

(06:48):
I'm ninety five percent secure, ninety five percent willing to
do to be uncomfortable. If ever, some time I'll be
avoidant because I just don't have to deal with it
in that moment. Right, But I like nine times had
time I'm gonna be like, hey, diva, what you said?
Like example, let me let me get you all a
story because I was a dollageball a few weeks ago

(07:10):
and we have a trans person on our team, and
someone on the team was miss gendering them on purpose.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
And so I went to wait, wait, oh purpose mind
you we played in the league. I wept them and.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Was like, hey, just so you know, that's not the pronouns,
like the pronouns are like the problems. And then the
response was, oh yeah, the problems said no, the problems
are actually X y Z that's who they are. And
then and then and then their farms like calm down, girl.
I said, I am calm and they said because one
thing on me, those are need to calm down, bitch.

(07:44):
I just got here, I'm giving too nice. Those are
me to calm down, bitch. I wanted to face and
fund your sup right now.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Where's the white chair? Where's the white chair?

Speaker 3 (07:52):
The girl I was like, I was like, oh I am,
I am calm well, I'm just saying you should be
like nice.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
We're talking to somebody. Well you fancial mission or somebody.
That's the AI problem. Don't don't don't address the symptom.
But you'd dressed the cause and that's the and that's
the hard discussion.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yes, as you say that, I'm like, I'm like scrambling
to write this. Don't address because every week we get
so folks, we're pulling the veil off every week. I'm
literally at Joe holes and box or messages, been like,
what's the title of the show? Girl, what's the title
of the show. And last week we forgot. We were like, oh,

(08:33):
we really good, and then we were like, oh we forgot.
So now I'm like, anytime you say something good or
I say something that or we both laugh about something
on the show, I'm like, let me write that down
so I don't fear you don't address the symptom, address
the problem, don't address Yes, yes, you know. I love that.
I love that you're one of those you know, you're
an individual who's like you're And this is also I

(08:54):
think something that I was thinking a lot about too,
Like what I hearing you saying, I take up space
because I don't want to suffer. You're telling people and
you know, and I've been talking about this a lot
this week, this idea of telling people not only how
to treat you, but how to treat others. That is
partly how we've gotten here as a society, is that
we've let a lot of shit like slide. And I

(09:15):
think it's really important now, like part of taking up
space to saying, nah, I'm not gonna let that slide,
like especially if you especially if you were nice about
it before. And I'm pretty sure, I'm almost certain that
this person and many other transphobes out there have been
told what it means to be a transphobe and you're
still going to do it. So I always tell people,
don't don't be surprised at how I react, because I

(09:38):
know you know better, and so in that moment, that's
that's that's where I'm sitting. But I know for me,
you know, I was I was thinking about this question,
and I said, I'm learning that it is okay for
me to take up space by owning how intelligent I am.
And I garner this from you. I garner this from
a lot of individuals, doctor James, who's a friend of
the show. There's there's quite a few people that I'm in.

(10:00):
But then like, bitch, you're so smart, and I'm like thanks,
you know, And it used to be like a humble
thing of like, oh no, don't say that, don't say that.
But now I was like, yeah, bitch, I am actually
very intelligent. And I don't know if I've ever shared
this here, and if I have, I'll just share it again.
I grew up for years not believing or thinking of
myself as smart, and so for a very long time

(10:20):
I just kind of downplayed my knowledge. I downplayed especially
when it comes to music. Like you can ask me
any question about music, and nine times out of ten
I know the answer. It's because I study music, Like,
like literally my whole day is me often just googling
and researching and wanting to know more more about songs
and albums and things. And so anyway, when it comes

(10:41):
to music, I'm very, very knowledgeable. But as I got older,
you know, and as I started even just kind of
in my day to day, I started kind of dumbing
myself down because I felt like, or at least I
got kind of and a lot of it was anti blackness,
a lot of it was anti fatness, and a lot
of its anti querness. I started feeling like people didn't
like my ideas or didn't say that my ideas were good,

(11:02):
so I stopped giving them and I just was like,
nobody wants to hear me, so I'm not going to
And over time, I just kind of got okay with
the idea of not thinking of myself as smart, and
so as I as I've gotten older, and as i've
you know, started thinking about my work and even thinking
about the work that I do in my day to
day and my nine to five, you know, I have
my staff constantly saying in different facets, John, this idea

(11:23):
was great, or John, what you're doing is fantastic, and
you're you're you're really developing this side of things, and
it's like, yeah, it's because I'm a bad bitch. I'm
very knowledgeable. I experience and I know what I'm doing.
And so with that being said taking up space and
knowing like you have the audacity and the right to say, yeah,
I have knowledge, and I have a you know, and
have a lot of experience, and I have a lot

(11:43):
to bring to the table, and you have no reason
to downplay that or to feel bad about that. And
I think black fat films specifically, we do that. We
tend to dumb ourselves down to make other people feel
bigger and feel feel taller, especially in white lead spaces,
and I think we need to stop doing that.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
So yeah, I love that because I think right, because
I think like the what like the like the the
deeper crux. So that is just it just hightened my
mind and just just away from me own no come back,
come back, come back, because what you said to me
think about something thing is like so deep for us.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Ah, I'm so sad guy.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
With the month of this, I wish I wish there
was like a transcript that I can just like pull
up because your head I had I had to respond
to that was gonna be so just like just like
just oh that's what was.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
It was like, yes, do when it comes back, girl, about.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Black ATMs, we're taught that we had nothing to offer right,
and like you have so much to offer. You are brilliant,
you are old, like you are beautiful, you you are
like an amazing.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Writer, an amazing speaker.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Right, you're funny as hell like you like you have
so much to offer, And we're taught that we had
nothing to offer, and we're taught that what we do
have to offer nobody wants right right, That to me
is that the course of our show is like we say,
be the black fat fum because we have so much
to offer and everyone should receive it and everyone needs

(13:07):
to listen to us.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
So I just and everyone has the right to stand
in that. I think that's the other things, Yes, that
this show you know what, you're right.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
You're right because yeah, because I that's she that's like
a great refam is like it's actually more about we
have the right to send it and show it because
not everyone will listen and will receive it.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
And that's okay. We know that we deserve to still
to the face.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
And do it.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
So and that so much love for us all right now.
So now that we have told the world to move
out the way for some breaks and we're back with
the caagary Is and just the second.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
All right, y'all, so we are black and this week
it's just me and Jojo at the kitchen table, and
we are setting the scene because, like I said, there's
a there's a lot that we got to say, and
so this entire episode is going to be one that
specifically you pop culture junkies, the folks who be in
our inboxes talking about how much you love when we
do a full pop culture episode, this episode is for you,

(14:12):
because we are really we're jumping into our pop culture
bag and that's pretty much where we're going to stay
the whole entire episode. This week's category. We fired up
Netflix and watched the Biggest Loser documentary, so you.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Don't have to.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
And y're welcome.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yes, you are very welcome, because I actually turned it
off early, like I only got to a certain point
in the last episode and I was like, Okay, I'm good,
I'm done. And so now that we both have a
lots of thoughts and we have lots of things that
we want to say about it, I wanted to start
off before we get into like the true critique of
the actual documentary and we start throwing tomatoes at some

(14:50):
of the folks in the documentary. I wanted to just
ask you kind of like what like I wanted to
lead with what your general thoughts were, and then we
can kind of work our way into to more niche
and more direct questions to one another about our thoughts
about specific things and if there's anything that maybe you know,
I didn't mention in our show flow, or if there's

(15:10):
something that came up, like you know, before we got
on the mic. I would love to hear that from YouTube.
But I know for me, so I kind of started
I'll say this, I can't. I started the doc knowing
and telling myself that I knew that this documentary was
going to take the route of saying basically, tell me
you aren't fat, don't care about fat people, Like I

(15:33):
knew that from the scope of it, I knew it
was going to be a lot of skinny people talking
very poorly about fat people. And when you when they
showed the executive producer, when they showed the people who
initially created the show, I said, I knew immediately in
my head. I said, yep, I knew exactly what I
was in for with this documentary. And so the whole
way through, I mean, like there were certain moments where

(15:55):
you know someone I forget the name of the woman.
I think she's the one who directed or was behind
your fat Friend, and I forget her name. I have
a lot of thoughts about her as well. Okay, okay,
are they good thoughts? Yes? I think this is a
positive reputation.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
No, no, yes, So she's been known so are Green
used to be a nomas blogger and NOMA stat blogger.
She was just called your fop friend like years, like
half a decade of blogging. And so it was until
recently when she came out with Maintenancepace podcast that she
was going to show who she was behind, Yeah, behind.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
It, and so I was really excited to see her
on there.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Me too, Sure, I was because I felt like she
was the one who brought levity to all of this,
Because there was a part of me that was like,
why do we even need this documentary? And then when
we start seeing Aubrey pop up more throughout the documentary,
I'm like, that's the reason why we needed her in
the documentary, or that's why this documentary was needed because
she brought a lot of levity. But anyway, all of
that to say, there's just there was something to me,

(16:57):
and it's and I'll be I'll say this to I
never watch The Biggest Loser. I never wanted to because
even when The Biggest Loser was at its height, I
was studying, I was struggling with my own body dysmorphia
and the way I felt about my body. So I
was like, I don't want to add anything to this
struggle that I already have, and so I always skipped it.
I was, you know, I was doing everything else, but

(17:17):
The Biggest Loser absolutely not. And so even now I
was still feeling like I had so many friends around
me going like, girl, you don't need to watch this dock,
and I'm like, but yeah, we want to talk about
it on the show, and so part of me was
like yeah, but part of me was also like I
really don't need to see this. But it was just
I think the biggest thing that really pissed me off
about this Dock was that. And I know you may say, well,

(17:38):
how you know sometimes you have to laugh to keep
from crying. There was just too much fucking laughing in
the documentary for me, Like it just and what I
mean by that is not specifically the people that they interviewed.
I'm talking about Bob, I'm talking about producers, I'm talking
about people that were tied to the show, and I'm
going these people, their lives have been fucking ruined, and

(17:59):
y'all are over here laughing about something that happened on
the show, Like it just it to me, it just
didn't feel serious enough. And I'm not saying that it
needed to be like a cry cry cry, sad test
sad documentary, but it just it didn't. It didn't give me.
We've talked about this bright like Poop Cruise and all
those other documentaries that Netflix has done that causes for

(18:19):
laughter to me, because it's like, Okay, these really fucked
up things happen and they're kind of funny. Okay, we
can talk about them. This is not funny to me,
And it just it really bothered me that there were
a lot of people laughing. You know, we really fucked up.
You know, we really fucked people up. Haha ha. And
it just wasn't enough accountability for me. And so that
was kind of like my immediate take when I finished it,

(18:40):
I was like, and that's what made me ended early.
I felt like Bob to some extent did not own
how fucked up of a person he was to, specifically
that black lady. We're gonna get into that in a second,
but that that for me was the tip where I
was like, Okay, I'm I'm out this bitch.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
You know, it does seem it's interesting with Bob being
this on the tail right after Traders wrapped up its
last season, everyone loving Bob on that, And so I
had never watched because loser either growing up and thankful
my parents were not reality TV people.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
They didn't they didn't they there was We didn't watch
the Kardashians.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
We didn't watch like Eve watching watching adult Sometimes I
was and like we weren't make reality.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
To body to people, and particularly because particularly my.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Mom would often remark of like like REALITYV just like
looked really bad.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
My mom and I have.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Seen experiences of bad TV. We didn't feel like it
felt good people to be.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
On there, So we had that when I didn't we
didn't want what we want to watch it. And so
I say all that to say, like as have to say,
like I.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
It's like my thought, so's there's a differing thing.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Bob on this and Mom there because the whole time
I thought Bob was actually contestant on the show. I
know that he was a trainer, so Simon and Trade,
I was like, oh my god, like how nice, Like
you know he was on the show blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
And I'm like, oh no, he was horrible. He was
like he was horrible.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
And you you always hear about Julian Michaels, Yes, you
never hear about Bob, and so some cases, like I
think Bob has for a long time I was lived
in has.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Lived in a bit of obscurity, right, Like I know,
I know Bob was intell traders.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I've always know who Julian Michaels was, right, I never
watched the show, but always thought she was some like
someone's like intense, rough, tough, rude person who was like
who was like fat, public as hell, And so I
think so I think I one thought of like I mean, really,
Bobs the next big break or something, you know, and
and I think, right, like.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
To some make sense, sure there is like I wonder if.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
There's like if there's like a satutory limit of like
when you can be when you can be held to
something that happened so long ago and.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
And party was like you were still a girl ass
person doing that and like you could have very least
been like I really hate that.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Where are your ethics? Yes, like like I'm sure he's.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Laughing a himself because he's like, that's so not who
I am today. I'm like, sure, it's funny because it's cringe.
But like but like but but like like the laugh
of this comfort is because you're Trump, especially trump response right,
you are actually don't have the tools to say I'm
uncomfortable with who.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
I was and I'm I'm sad and so I that
was not for me. I love that Aubrey Gordon was there.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
I think the challenge was she was the only person
that was she was the only person on like on
like a fat advocacy lens that I like, I wish
there was more. I wish it wasn't just a white
woman like I I love right, I'm not essentially a
tract always working at all, I think Aubrey, No.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
I don't think that's what we're doing here, right, I
don't like that.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
But like but like like like they're like they're they're.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Like for example, it's interesting to hear like like a
black fat person talk about right they what they experienced
watching Joel and right, like that that would have been
an interesting like nuanced app wasn't given.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
And that's the thing about these these documentaries, right, they
only know what they They only know from their perspective,
and so a lot of the perspective is from the
white the right lens, and so yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
And they like and like and and like like they
like they with the whole documentary about one thing and
you only find one person who is who was like
the op to that movement, right, and then you have
the rest of the show is like everyone like right
like like that, like that's interesting to me. That doesn't
just me like you like you found the one person,
so obviously as you're having other people talk about like

(22:34):
how how much like this whole show? I found the
doctor to be interesting because I'm like, so you threaten
to leave, but you never actually left for quite some right, right,
like like you like you were still like you didn't
like it. You're so complicit and you and he kind
of like absolved himself of being like, well, well.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
I know I was trying to do the right thing.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, but you know they're doing behind back and I'm like, well,
isn't a live show, baby, like after this episode, can
you be like because you're like, hey, Diva, yeah, really
have people like that's just.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I was like, right, I mean giving people peels like,
no one in this no one in this dogment, dogmination.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
I only watched you. I lost one.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
I'll be honest and say, I see the last one.
Only nobody took accountablity for what will happened. Everyone was like,
there's a show they never wanted, and I'm like, sure, sure, sure,
I yea all that it makes perfect sense. And also girl, like,
not a single person's like we these people good mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
I think I love that you say that, because that's
kind of the question that I wanted to like ask,
But I'm going to reframe it a little bit. I
think one of the things that I, you know, now
that we're kind of in the grid of the convol
of why this this documentary is so terrible and why
it's harmful, I think that's the biggest thing is that
you know, we normally we'll see documentaries come up and
we'll go, yeah, we're not going to cover that. We're
not going to talk about that because honestly, there's no

(23:51):
there's no real need, right we all know what's terrible.
But I'm really and and this is something you know
I so I have to say this. So I will
be in I'll be up north in a couple of
days with some folks over from Napha. And we all
know Tigris has been on the show, and we were
talking today about that event. And by the time y'all
hear this, the event will have passed. And so but

(24:12):
all that to be said, you know, we were talking
about this idea of like how we want to we
don't want to sit in conversation around diet culture. We
don't want to sit around conversation around ozimbic because of
you know, that's what everyone is doing, even big folks, right,
big folks are in these conversations. But I think for me,
the thing I was I was thinking about is how
damaging this dock is for right now, right you have

(24:34):
people who are already in a place of and I'm
not saying this is me, but what I'm saying is
is you have people who are already battling with their weight,
or you already have people who are trying to make
amends with their size. You have them maybe growing up
watching The Biggest Loser and seeing all of the terrible
things that happened on the show and other shows as well.
We're going to talk about that in a second. But

(24:55):
I'm thinking to myself. Then you have Ozimpic come along,
and you have this push, this constant reminder that you know,
ozempic can help you lose weight, Ozmpic can help you
lose weight. And now you have this documentary come along,
and it's and and by the end of it, it's
it's basically a three part commercial for why you know
someone should be using ozmpic. That's basically what the what

(25:16):
the the documentary ends on, right, how much of a
miracle drug ozimpic is. And I want to be clear
to people that goes, well, John, You're on it, so
how the fuck can you? And I'm going I am,
I want to make it and I'm gonna keep saying
it to the cows come home. I am not on
it to lose weight. I am on it to maintain
my to my blood sugar. So there is a difference.

(25:37):
I didn't seek ozimpic out to lose weight. Ozimpic was
given to me because they were saying, bitch, you gonna
die if you don't take care of your blood sugar. Right,
So I think there's a there's a but. But right
now folks are being given ozimpic as a way to say, oh,
if you want to lose weight, it's an easy way
to help you lose weight. And I'm going it's so
dangerous that we keep ending conversations around fatness with this

(26:01):
idea that ozembic is going to somehow. This is my take.
I'm gonna say this, and then we can and then
and I would love for you to respond, or we
can move on to the next question. My thing is
is that I keep saying this, and I'm gonna keep
saying this. A lot of people don't seem to get it.
And this is what I was thinking about the entire time.
I was think about the Biggest Loser you have. These
people go on this show thinking I have to lose

(26:22):
all this weight and all of a sudden, my life
is going to be great, and it's like, no, bitch,
you might lose the weight and people may treat you better,
but your life is still going to be the same.
You are still going to have issues with your body,
you are still going to have issues with food, you
are still going to have issues. So I just I hate.
I think that's the thing that really pissed me off.

(26:44):
When we start talking about this idea of how we're regressing,
regressing back into this lose weight and your life will change,
it won't. I'm sorry, Like, yes, I know it will
change schematically. Yes, you'll be able to fit in chairs.
You may write some roller coasters, you may be able
to go into a store and buy clothes, and you
may feel good for that moment. But I can bet
you sis, as somebody who has lost close to one

(27:06):
hundred pounds and gained it all back because of depression,
you are not going to feel as good as you
believe you are going to feel and that skinny body
if you don't do the work mentally. And that's what
I think this documentary missed. It didn't make space for
even the people that were sitting on those couches where
you could see that they were having mental They were
literally breaking down and sad about their time. You can

(27:28):
tell that they had not done the mental work that
they needed to do to feel better about who they
were as people. And that's the thing I really wish
this documentary would have done. Let's talk to these people
about how they got the care they needed after this show.
Let's talk to the people about what they what they've
learned since being on the show, about how to navigate
their own bodies and their own health and their own welfare.

(27:50):
And how terrible because this show was selling a pipe
dream of if you lose a whole bunch of weight,
your life is going to be amazing and will give
you five hundred thousand dollars. You'll skip off the glory
and it's like, no, these people, like I saw, I
don't know, I just for me as somebody who's lost
weight and has gained it back. I saw the sadness
in their eyes. I saw it, and I was like,

(28:11):
these people have not done any work to help themselves
get better. They have done no work.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Well, I think, I think because the show and when
I was watching the Commandent, I you know, I I
didn't watch the show, so I pray the docmmandary was
accurate interest with the show had, But what I think
was missing when I was watching the documentary was like,
all the show, there's two people out of their homes
like like like ten like fifteen to thirty weeks. Right,
It was like, you're wrong from a lot of time,

(28:36):
and so I think one of the factors that people
don't understand. One of the factors that people don't understand
is like, O, you.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Does some makes sense?

Speaker 3 (28:44):
This this does show you what you can do when
you have the time to.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Focus on yourself right right like like this like if
you take out every factor of like business in your life,
it shows you what you can do right right right
and and but like there is no sense. I don't
think there's any integration via talk therapy or mental health
resources that said.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Hey, like when you leave this space, you're going to
have so.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Many of the factors that will make it challenge you
for challenging for you to integrate care into your life again,
right right, and so like you like like like like
I like truthfully, I don't have an issue with people
in weight loss. I don't have an issue with that.
Neither do people want to go on that show and
lose weight.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I'm love of you.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Right, you're losing a lot of weight very very fast.
You're shocking your body to something. But when you leave
that space, your body's gonna have to recompensate for something
different because you don't you don't have the same level
activity you aren't restricting yourself in the same way, right,
or you develop the sort of eating challenges, and so
I think, so, you know, I think, like you know

(29:50):
you your question originally, right was the SHUFFO was like
what's the damaging damaging about this doc? And at first
I was I don't think, I don't know if I
find damaging, but I do. But I now as about like,
actually it is damaging because it demonstrates to you that
like like it does all the wrong thing.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
It does all.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Of them trainers who are abusing you, attacking you, humiliating you.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
You have.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Immense restriction of diet, You're shooting yourself from drinking water.
You're pushing your body way beyond the plane which it
is able to like function well right like like you're
like right, like like trying to damn your diet, yeah,
moment or legit die right, like like died because I
made her run in the heat on the sand.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Water like what right?

Speaker 2 (30:45):
And and so it does all these things wrong and
I'm like, wait, like where is a nutritionists, like you
had a doctor, like did you have did you have
like a nutritionists to talk about like maybe how they
maybe how they could shift what they put in their
bodies burn, right, you have to give the doctor also,
like you know, again the doctor was interesting in this sense,

(31:06):
Like I appreciate he came in saying like you and
not you want to have calories.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
And then Bob and Jallian be like, fuck that don't
have calories, right.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
And like give the doctor for saying like you don't
you shouldn't restrict yourself like for calories because you need those. Right.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
He could have tried much harder to tomit that point, everybody,
you know, he could.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
He could have done some lawsuit. Mama was given us
nothing gave if you knew that they.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Are giving caffeine pills and you all signed a document
saying you won't distribute or have caffeine pills.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
But it's just a lawsuit. I'm suing their assets for money.
I'm getting paid out of this. Like what That's just
wild to me?

Speaker 2 (31:42):
So you know, I think like, but I think like
it demonstrates sure, when you have the time, you can
do a lot of things with yourself, but there's no
actual discussion of like right, Like Tracy story was so
compelling because she she was like, if I go back home,
I'm going to be abused right now. I I didn't
want so I don't know if if if there was

(32:03):
a resolution to that, right, but like she should be
in therapy, yeah, just like she should.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
They should have therapists on that show.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
They should have.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
There was on the show saying like, okay, let's discuss
your exit strategy and your game plan when you leave
this show. Like it's harmful because it just like I
feel like it's harmful now it's showing you, I think
people showing that they still they still didn't care about
about fat people even after the show and after right,

(32:34):
and they only show us that they're like, yeah, we
had a hit show and and you and and America
loved it. Well America will and you get it, and
especially if it's shitting on fat people, like they said
at the top of the documentary that the world hates
fat people.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
And we know that, right, We've always known that. But
I think for me, like I I appreciate you, you know.
And again I didn't want my my my rant to
sound as if I'm callous and that I'm trying to
shit on people who are who are who want to
lose weight. No, do your things, sis, But what I'm
saying is you need to ask yourself what are you

(33:09):
doing the weight loss for? And in my opinion, in
my fat ass opinion, I feel like there are a
lot of people who lose weight for the wrong reasons,
right when you really say, this is about me, this
is about my journey, this is about something I want
to do for me, and these are the reasons. But okay,
let's let's talk about it, girl, Let's talk about it, right.
But I feel like, you know, I think there was

(33:31):
this thing sold to a lot of these people on
you know, I was about to say Amazing Race, because
that's that's the show I watch, you know, the Biggest Loser.
I felt like it was sold to them as if
their life was going to miraculously be for so much
brighter and greater because they lost all of this weight.
And it's like, yes, people are going to celebrate you,
but also what else are you going to do to

(33:54):
for you to celebrate you? And I think that's that's
you know, I know one of the questions that you
had was about, you know, mental health. I think that's
the thing that really bugged me about this doc is
even now in twenty twenty five, it's this public humiliation
that constantly we seem to gravitate towards and even in

(34:14):
watching this Dock, it's like, oh, let's watch these fat
people fall apart, you know, while like even just you
know what, really, what's what? Would literally burn my biscuits.
I will tell you there were there were a lot
of things that made me go or whatever girl throughout
the dock. But the thing that pissed me off the
most was watching that clip about them having to like

(34:36):
use food. I don't know if you saw it then
when they had to like in groups use their mouths
to like move to build a tower, and I was like,
what the heck? What like fuck?

Speaker 3 (34:46):
And like no, Fatberson does not and you you're like
you're kritis narrative that thought.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
People just go around mean like build aut like what
let me eat everything that's in front of me? Right?

Speaker 2 (34:58):
And they I think, no one's discussed right, I want
to we hate, but no one's discuss how Maybe this
show also also like they also conveyed how to hate
Fedele more right this show?

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yes, yeah, anyway, sorry, no, no, no, you no, you're right,
you are so right. I would I mean that was
the point I was going to go you know, towards
that this this doc at and so when we ask
the question, you know what, what's the damaging part of
the stop? It's just giving people more and I hate
using the word ammunition, but it really is. It's giving
people more energy, more ammunition to say, you know, these

(35:32):
fat people, they have a problem and they need to
work it on. And it's like, no, we all have
a problem. I think.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
For me.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Also, you know, I'm gonna go a little off script here,
I was thinking to myself, you know, someone, you know,
it just the idea that we live in a world
that people feel so comfortable and commenting on other people's
bodies really really bugs me. And I think about it.
You know, I forget where I saw it or how
I saw but someone had made a comment, you know, Oh,
we were talking about Nellie Fotadle. So someone was saying,

(35:58):
you know, last week everybody was talking about how terrible
and how you know, awful Nelly Furtado looks in her
in her body. Now, same thing with Jennifer love Hewett, Right,
everyone's been talking a lot about her gaining weight. But
then you have on the other end, you have some
celebrities specifically, I think it was mel C. There was
a video of Melc at the beach and she's like
really ripped and she's you know, you can tell she's

(36:20):
been working out and you can tell that she's been
doing all this stuff. And everyone's like, ill, she looks
gross because she's super muscular and she looks manly and
it's like, bitch, what like what like there's never you know,
And I understand it's a it's a thing around misogyny
and we're gonna get there. But I'm like, the biggest
thing for me is like you can't. I think that's
what thing that that frustrates me about being in this

(36:41):
life and in this body. It's like, you can't fucking win.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
If it's not your size they're critiquing, it's your race.
If it's not your race, it's your your your the
way you show up in your identity. If it's not
your identity, it's how much money you make. And it's like,
can y'all just leave me alone for one minute? Can
I just get a day where I can just be
you know? And I and that's literally what I felt, like,

(37:05):
that's the energy that you know, I forget what her
name was, The Black woman who had beef with Bob Joelle,
thank you. I felt like that's kind of what Joelle
was hinting at, you know, this idea of you know,
constantly feeling like she's under a microscope, and it's like
it's just not it's it's America. I know it's America,
and I just hate it, I really do. But she

(37:27):
was like, fuck you, Bob Hopper. Yeah, and really and
one of the points that I wanted to hit on.
You know, it does bug me a little bit that
Jillian is getting more heat than Bob. It's like, yo,
burn both day asses because they are terrible ass people. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
No, so you know, so I first when you put that,
I was like, I was air. I was like the
Julianstown black what do you mean? And then I watched, Oh,
now I see because Bob and Joel are having their
thing and like even the right like like Bob is
laughing as if the whole thing wasn't about about as
like Jola's commitment to like blah blah blah. And I'm like, okay,

(38:07):
but you like you aren't you actually aren't kiving a
mind like you are you a white man screaming at
this walkman for like, and you're treating her like you're
seeing her, you're seeing her out and like, okay, maybe's
vision world in which in which it is more about
like her like quote unquote workout ethic right, Like you
aren't you aren't understanding what the objects of what's happening,
like you are screaming her and screaming at everybody else.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
And also and like I think we won.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
These these those folks on the show have much more
grace than I do because I was on the show
and Bob y'all than me. Who are you yelling at
we have a problems in my face?

Speaker 3 (38:44):
You me, bitch went back over my face? Please like
please the way I'm like y'all like y'all dealt with
a lot on this show because it could not be me.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Girl for two for two dollars, please please, girl, but
grand scream, grand scheme, Chump James, You're.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Not you're taking me at me, literally taking home around,
dreaming at me for this girl.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
No tell me, tell me, tell me to get my
sorry ass off the gym.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Bitch, I'm out here.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
I'm when that girl threw out tremill bitch, you have
me throwing all of the treadmill. Oh on threw them
on your face. It's a round, it's riding your face girl.
That literally McDonald's around, bye, It's.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Just McDonald's bit is so so so frustrating and sadly,
I think, like you know, like I know.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Your question of like it's a question you're a question
of the show for do you think we are a
team ever tackle topics on health that wait while shot
clean those combos and like you know, I think the doctor,
I'll give him this, he was right and saying you
can't about weight loss and and and it be healthy,
Like I just do not think you can because like, yes,

(40:03):
I understand, I understand the point that the producers keep
making about this instagment, right, like like their goal was
to make a show that was going to be loved
by TV, by te bye, by the networks and my audiences.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Right, so I get it.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
It's like I get the reasoning.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
But and like I understand, like that was that was
part of the course in two thousand and six, So
like sure, sure, sure a jam whatever, like like like
like your jam, like you can say all those things,
but like you like you you have to you have
to be accountable to how it damaged people's lives, people
who are in that show.

Speaker 7 (40:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
There was a study done in twenty sixteen from the
National Institute of Health that took that took the season
eight winners and law term study and tracked and tracked
their like progress with weight right yeah, discovered that most
of them gained the weight back in some cases is
gain more weight than before they entered the contest because

(41:04):
of how they pushed their bodies and then then then
like changed again, right like but and so like and
you no one, no one on that documentary is being
cappuled about. No one's saying like, oh yeah, like like
you know, like we we fucked up and did that
or like like like everyone's.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Saying maybe fuck up maybe, but like it was good TV,
like girl like like I'm so like like tragically like
like like our bodies are not the expense of good TV.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
I am not like I'm not doing I'm done.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I mean it's also I guess also like why like
I always watch like love to watch like we like
like I wasn't in a big bag gros club. I
was a big love and hip hop like like I
watched it sometimes I'm sure it's entertaining, but all I
think about is like how much like people are pushing
stirrelines to be entertaining. And I'm like yeah, I'm like
why is why is harm? And like like right, like

(42:02):
why is harm? Why is fighting? Why is like bullying
so celebrated? Right, Like.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
I don't get catharsist from this.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, some people do, and maybe and that's that that's
on them. And so it was just it was it
was just sad. It was like watching this is maybe
sad that like they went through this and still were like, yeah,
that's a great show and no one feels bad about
it and and and the worst part is is that,
you know, like the message that sends of the world
is that abuse is deserved, welcomed and correct and like

(42:36):
that to me is the worst message, Like like, no
one deserves abuse, no one deserves to be harassed or attacked.
I am glad that you also Bob Hopper and his
little dog.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Too, because like like you like, no, you learned how
to talk to me, because right know, like like and I.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Also I thought, like there's a sisters and there's a sister.
Is there one who was thin before? And then she
came over with actually hurt herself. This is O sister
who who was fat, right and you know and like
her sister reckoning with like how you how people treat
you differently like like like like like because you're fat,
and I you know, like that's not that I like

(43:21):
about the bog All experience, but I think, yeah, what
I wish there was a commentary about is how they
will treat you when you when you when you treat
yourself better two right, because like like people do hold
people do hold doors open for me, And I'm not
I'm not to I'm I'm not sad not I'm the
exception anyway. But what I'm saying is like because I've
taught people to not treat me in a bad way,

(43:43):
and I wish and and I wish there was like
a message of like of like being fat actually as
okay and people will try to attack you and you
can teach them to not attack you, right, Like what
like no one got tool like thing again when they
when you when you left the ranch, there was no
thought what happens if you get in the way back
and getting the tools to say if you get the

(44:04):
way back, here's how you get Okay, Yeah, that's okay, right,
and it's just.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Man, I just yeah to your point. Yeah, fuck it
literally fucked that show. But I think I loved your
point about you know, and I'm thinking I'm sitting here
and I'm thinking about it, like I wish we talked
you know, just like with age, right, we think, we
think or we talk about, well, aging is a part
of getting older, right, Like your body starts to break down,
and you start to have a bad back, and you

(44:30):
know your arms, you know, like right now I'm dealing
with shoulder pain. Like all these things are part of
the aging process. I wish that we talked about gaining
weight as being part of that process. Right. You may
have been thin when you were in college and that's
that worked then, and you gained weight when you you know,
when you turn forty and had children. Okay, that's a
part of getting older. It's it's fine for you to

(44:51):
but I just you know, I think we're we're obsessed
as a as a as a world, not even just
as a country, as a world, we are obsessed with
people's bodies, and we are obsessed with the idea of
sexualizing it too. And I think there's a part of
that in that right, this idea of and we could
come back to that, you know, at another show. But

(45:12):
I think there's more for us to unpack around why
the world hates fat people the way that they do.
And a big part of that is because you know,
when you say I like my body, and I like
the size of my body, and I'm okay with the
way that my body looks because I like the way
my body looks, it's like, no, no, no, no, no, girl,
You're supposed to want a body that everyone else wants.

(45:34):
And and and I think that's that's part of what
this documentary really showed me, was that a lot of
folks don't take fat people seriously because they consider us
loving our bodies as we not you know, wanting to
fold into the way that the world. It's just it's
it's such a fucked up doc. And so I will
say this before we go to break, you know, I

(45:54):
think we've said as much as we can say about
this doc. I will caution anybody that if you are
dealing with, you know, an eating disorder, if you're dealing
with any type of body dysmorphia, if you're dealing with
anything that could potentially trigger you used to feel bad
about who you are and what you look like. I
would stay very, very very far away from this documentary

(46:15):
because even for me, as somebody who has done the
work and is very okay with their body, I was
still watching it going this is some fucked up shit,
and so I would really, really, really, you know, I
would behoove you, if that's the right word. I behoove
you not to give this documentary a click. And this
is not this is not a swipe at Netflix by
any means. This is just me saying that I do

(46:37):
wish that more producers and more people took care in
the work that they were putting out that they are
putting out into the world, specifically in a time when
a lot of us are leaning on this work to
feel better about who we are. So with that being said,
now that we have told Jillian and Bob that we
got smoked for them on site, s I G H

(46:59):
T and f I T on site, we are going
to take a quick break and come back with the
new segment that I hear y'all love honey Back with
what's popping in just the segment.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Hey fan, we are black to you, black Back and
this week we're diving into our pop culture back and
what's Popp and Semon we're talking to today. We're talking
about Oh, you love to hate her, you love to
love her? Amanda Seals believe of it all.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
So I know John did not watch it, okay, because
I was here all.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I watched the whole thing, so they didn't have to
thank you, thank you, bab.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
But while with the conversation a bit more, we're not
just talking about Amanda because like that's for people, So
we wanted to get into like like the base of
the conversation that was are arguing with conservatives as a
rocket person or liberperson Copper. So now I ask you, John,
king up the conversation, do we believe the argument becauser

(48:04):
is fruitful? And if not, how can we make it fruitful?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah? You know, so that was literally when we were
when we sat and we were talking about what we're
going to talk about this week. I really wanted to
kind of hit that point home because I feel like
I don't want I'm never gonna shit on someone who
is trying to do the to do the work right.
They're trying to educate people, they're trying to make sure
people know, and I think that's what Amanda Steels is doing.

(48:30):
How she does it, that's a whole other conversation. But
I will say that I do agree and believe that
Amanda is trying to do the right work. And so
I want to give credit where credit is due. However,
and I have to say two things can be true
at at the same time. Shout out to James Baldwin.
This is hard for me because I don't see the
benefit of arguing with people who are committed to misunderstanding

(48:51):
me or you. I just don't And that's what I
feel like these arguments are. You're coming to the table
and you're trying to prove to me that you're right
about something that I that I know that you know
in your heart you're wrong about right, and and and
and it just it just feels itcky to me to
feel like I have to argue with you to get
you to understand my humanity. And that's what a lot

(49:13):
of this is black, white, queer not. You're arguing with
people who just don't see your humanity and and and
you know they're they're one big gotcha bitch from the
other side, and it's just it's it's it's too much
of that for me. And so I think what really
turned me off to this conversation and Jubilee as a brand,
is that she was doing it with black people. She

(49:36):
was doing it with other black people who were trying
to get her to understand things that we've known for
centuries are problematic in issues, right, And so it just
just kind of the long of the short of it
is that I saw a lot of men in this
conversation and it just felt reductive, and I just couldn't
deal with it, like you're arguing with a CIS woman

(49:58):
about her owner price. I just I don't know, I
just I think I wanted to hit on like like
I understand, like I I understand both sides of it, right,
Like I understand what a man is doing. I understand
why she's trying to use her platform form, and I
understand the good that people see that can come out
of this. But it just ain't for me. So you know, yeah,
it's it's again, we're gonna go back and not for me, byes,

(50:21):
It's not for me, not for you guys, It's not
for me.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
You know, I think I totally hear you in this
and I will say, I mean there were there were
a few women who debate with her too, and I
feel I do feel like I'm meant to treat them
better than some of the men, and.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Vice versa. You know.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
One one woman like she didn't think for being respectful,
and the girl was like, well, we were told me respectful,
so of course, But so many men in this conversation
they were so reductive. And I also was like, what
is you saying? Yeah, I can't, but you know, but
I think, like I think one I was shocked. I

(51:03):
was shocked, like like a minute was and la, of
all people, there are twenty black conservatives.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I was like, oh no, not conservatives. Yeah, you know,
let's get home.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yeah, the way I feel, you know, I think so
I think some things that I the things that I
had on there are some thoughts about how folks can
have a conducive conversation.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
What's a conservative about about like human rights?

Speaker 2 (51:33):
It's like and I think this is where and that's
where I think like a man may become have done
something different, because I think it was a lot of
talking at each other and both trying to explain each
other's like facts right and like like and then I say,
you can't argue with stats, but like the stats are different, right,
So she said you can't argue with stats, but someone
else gives her stats.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
She's like, she's like, well where those stats from?

Speaker 2 (51:56):
So problem is it's like Amanda, to your point, you
can't if you can't argue with stats, the character stats
are argument stats because those SATs are not like with recredently,
So in that point, right, you have to you have
to acknowledge that many stats can be forged, you're fake
and so instead of the stats and self focused on
the shared values and idina that you have, right, Like, like,
there are several people who there are several people there

(52:17):
who were like, I love black people as well too, right, right,
there's one guy who was like, I love black folks,
and I'm showing my love for that by saying black
folks should leave the lead the Democratic Independent Parties. Okay,
you know not not not my position, but what I
see here is that we both love black people, we

(52:39):
both love all people. I'm gonna like you could have
used that, right, I think if we're having connotations with
with about you know, with with sider people, right, like
refiming arguments about using people's core values because of the day,
like we like we we actually our values are actually
not so different.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Right sometimes real.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Right, like like like we we all want black folks
to have their lives their access. Sorry we as black people,
not not now not all black people right right right
sorry sorry right? And as and as I mentioned, like
like like don't say most or whatever I must say
if you're in conversation with somebody, if you're with someone

(53:25):
that you know has a similar value to you, as
you both love black folks and want black folks to
thrive them, like talk about what thriving looks like from
both of your lenses, Ask questions, let them answer what
their arguments, and be like no, what like like you know,
I maybe maybe I can learn something from your perspective.
I mean I agree with it, but I like like,

(53:46):
but did I hear it and I understand it? Or
you'd be like, hey, like you said, what you said
actually doesn't help I people thrive and this actually might
help up if we do this instead, you know, be
like being advocate for not against. I think that's that
we struggle a lot with is like we're constantly fighting
against X y Z. But what we're fighting for and

(54:09):
knowing what we're fighting for is like like like is
a big thing for us we have and and and
and I you know, I mean Amanda was there around
twenty people and so I mean the energy like she
like she did she she gave a lot in that, right,
But I I do wonder and I have a question

(54:30):
with him this too, because there's also whether people don't
like don't like a man seals is that she frames
herself I think as a like intellectual and she's.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
That with like what her education is higher than Yeah,
and also people say she's a colorist. So that's the
other issue why people don't like her. Yes, yeah, I'm
saying yes, I want to not not that I know that.
No no no no no no no, I'm saying I
know you are so baby me and you've been friends
long enough, so fuss to know. I this is this
is very much like a Sister Kiky situation. This is

(55:03):
me not trying to drag her. But I also think
people have issues with her because she uses her light
skin privilege and her intellectual yes and yes and talk
down to people.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
And so it's like the question I have, right is
like do we think like in conversations like these, is
black intellectualism actually gonna be a fruit fruitful They have
a fruitful tactic in the space too, because like because,
but if you're willing, because like she even says at
the end, you gotta address this entire You got dress
the conversation.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
With love and not science, blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
And I'm like, okay, but you're doing all those things
that you just said you shouldn't do, Like you're approaching
it through the intellectual lens, girl, And like, if you're
saying that it's not gonna work to people, then why
are you doing that?

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Like make it make sense?

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Oh girl, you Oh, it's just I'm just gonna say this.
See what I hear you saying is pick your battles.
It ain't no way. I'm down for any type of
time to have these conversations with niggas who just don't.
I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
It ain't me.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
It ain't gonna ever be me. I'm not, especially in
this time when we are in the current war we
are in, Like I just don't which I don't have to.
I have nine to five, Like nine to five, I
literally spend my whole life, my whole my literal forty
hours a week is me fighting to keep queer kids alive.
I don't have twenty people cryme with you.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
I know that, sure, we shoot you, just sure, but
like if you're trying to dismantle the system that because
it's all because all of us.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Please quiet. Yeah, I just I'm like I said, I'm
with you when you write, but this is one of
the cases I'm just not on I'm sorry, you know
I manic seals and thank you for thank you for
doing your well you love well. Well, well I'm back

(57:03):
to that a little bit. Well yes, well no, what's
some kind of.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
One moment?

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yes, a moment? Yeah, absolutely, I love that.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
I love her, I love her, I love her, I
love her, I love her, I love her.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
We're gonna get canceled. We are going to get canceled.
I swear to God, we're gonna in trouble.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
But go off.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
I don't want I want Chris. Please clip that moment,
just like I love her, I love her, I love her,
I love her, I love her like please like don't
they like, don't don't say what it's about.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Just clip that, clip that moment, because that is that
that's that's just like such a fun like do you
ever see that?

Speaker 3 (57:53):
It's of these two Barck girls and they're like they're
New York and they're like, do.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
You know Kelly? Yeah? I know Kelly? What ever?

Speaker 3 (58:02):
I love Kelly? Yeah, I love Kelly too.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Why you ask? Kelly's great? I just wanted you to
if you hear about Kelly.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I mean I think well, I think we owe to
the community to know about to know about Kelly. And
this is it's so funny and I want this clip.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Can you send that clip to me so I can
see it? Thank you. I've never seen it, but I am.
I am familiar with her. I love her, and I
I do I do?

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, yeah you So you know on that account of love, y'all,
we will take one more loving break and we get
that we here, we'll hit y'all.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Yes ma'am, sorry, go off, y'all. Yes, given no man
Pam segment. All right, y'all, So we are back with
our yes ma'am and our no man PAMs for this week.

(58:53):
And with this being said, I'm gonna make my very
quick because I don't have a lot to say. What
I will say is this so I want to say,
I want to shout out and say my yes, ma'am
goes out to the black man who got that white
man together on that plane, who helped that black woman
flight attendant. I don't know if you saw, but there
was a white man who was cutting up. I don't
know the word on the curb was. I guess the
pilot said that there would be no alcohol being served

(59:15):
on the plane, and the white man got really upset
about it and was like going off on the black
lady flight attendant. And the black man literally picked him
up and set him down in his seat like a
little baby, and it was just it literally, And again,
I want to be clear that I'm not a proponent
of violence, and I don't believe that you go around

(59:37):
touching people. However, what I will say is I appreciate
it that that black man stepped in to help that
black woman in that moment, and that is something that
I stand for. So sometimes you got to use your
hands to protect other people, and that it is what
it is. So I just want to say shout out
to that man. I hope he's having a wonderful day.
I hope he's having a great week. I hope he's
having a great month, and I hope his year continues

(59:58):
to be fantastic. I also would love to say this
is a shout out but also a shout down to
Clandis Owens forgetting her come up.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
And I don't know, yes, so I don't know if
you saw slash her, but Mama is getting sued by
somebody in France.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I guess you said she's going around being transphobic, and
and you know they are they You know this is
the this is the thing. Sometimes we write checks that
I asked can't cash, and Mama ain't got the money.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Both the president of France, mister Macron, you got the
president of France.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Why you mad because my pussy pussy. That's exactly what
that president said, bitch, Why you mad? Because my pussy
pops severely and yours don't. And and that is why
her ass is getting sued. And so karma. That is
literally karma. And I love to see it. I love
to see that she's going down down in another round, sugar, Sugar,

(01:01:06):
We're going down. Mother is going down swinging, honey. But
I love to see it. I love to know that
she is somewhere rubbing her ashy hands together and trying
to figure out what her I was about to say
something with her terrible roots, because that's how much I
hate that lady, her terrible roots. What she's gonna do

(01:01:27):
about keeping that that that that hair together? Bless her?
Not bless her? Not all right? I know, man, PAMs,
I can wrap this up. I just want to say,
every time I look up there is a price increase
on a streaming service, I'm looking at you, Peacock. Can

(01:01:48):
somebody please tell me what are these increases for? When
we ain't got no new content, ain't no new season
of Traders. With all of the Real Health Housewives franchises
are pretty much either not non existent or terrible, Like,
what are you charging me an extra dollar for Netflix?

(01:02:09):
Are you charging me more for for documentaries? Because if
that's the case, I don't want them. I don't want them.
I don't needs Okay, you can keep you can literally
press pause on what you have because I can't get
through it anyway. There's so much shit that is on
these different streamers that I can't even get through all

(01:02:31):
of it at this point. Pause, Like, I'm just I'm
sick and tired of everything going up, and I also
want to name I'm sick and tired. You know what,
I'm sick and tired of I just opened a bag
of cereal and the bag of cereal was half empty,

(01:02:51):
and I said, oh, so you're gonna charge me six
dollars for some cinnamon toast crunch and half of the
bag is empty. Okay, all right, I'm sick of it.
I am sick of America at this point. I'm done.
I'm sick of it. I'm I've had it. I have
I've had it officially. But yes, I'm sick of it.

(01:03:13):
I can't be the only one. I can't. But anyway,
what are yours? Joho? What are your yes man's and
your no man's for this week?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I am this close to walking away from this mic,
I am this close to leaving this show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
That was girt you said the cereal, I'm over it.
It's just none of it is none of the math
is mathing. Like now was the time when you could
go grocery shopping and you knew, for one hundred and
fifty dollars your whole fridge was going to be full
for at least a month. Now, one hundred and fifty
dollars at sprouts.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Three days, three days, fast, okay, three days?

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
What is going on?

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
I'm just I've had it, but anyway, go off this okay,
my sorry, it's so funny, my no, ma'am, ma'am.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
First, it's just going to be to just to our.

Speaker 8 (01:04:14):
Our administration because I just it's it's it's it's a
yes and no, ma'am, because it's comical and it's so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
But is okay? Because how are you going to say your.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Manifest Smithsonian Museum for talking about how bad slavery was?
Like how you can like you like, don't talk about
slavery was, like you make it seem like it's so
like it was so bad it was?

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
It was have you have you not read the history?
Did you not pick up the book?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Like I don't think you can avoid that's like yes,
ma'am because I'm like, you're just so like I see
him but lack now like it's just so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
I'm like, yeah, it was bad, so like what do
you think is gonna happen?

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
And also so bad because he wants to have the
government control review of the museums and the content they
put out, which is a huge infringement upon potentially our
rights right like free speech and and the press and
that's a huge now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
But I just I'm just like, I'm like I was, like,
have you never been have you never been to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
This museum before? Like I know no?

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Have you not read any history book whatsoever?

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Like do you like do you not live in America?
Do you carry a lunch box?

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
What what do you mean? Right? What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
So anyways mamham translation, because this is yes, ma'am to
the like like like the camm coolness of this country.
Because you cannot help Auta.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
You really can't. You really can't because this ship is
you can't. You can't make it up, No, can't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
And that's just so yes van hand to our country
being a dumpter fire and me just I am just
I'm just I'm just scro who's here?

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
I'm just who isn't it? We're just doo doo doo
doo doo doo doo. That's what it's giving. It's given
every day. Do do do do do?

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Do?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
I want something else to give me this semis on
con And that's what it is giving every every day.
I am so over. But anyway, with that being said,
we're gonna wrap this get up. Please send us your thoughts,
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(01:06:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
My love?

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
You can find me Joho down's across all socials, said
Johandance dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
If not there, you will find me. You will find
me looking for the nearest like palm like, what's those things?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Like you like murraids and ship like being a clamshell
and like a person fandom of the giant palm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Yeah, it was like yeah yeah that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Being fanned and wage and on a clamshell. My best dick.

Speaker 7 (01:07:35):
Somebody fans ship imber that yes, murm yeah, come on
come on murmy up?

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Yes, yes, how you do it all right? Well, with
that being said, you can find me, uh and tours
on where I will be in the next In these
next couple of weeks, there are things that are popping
up left and right around the book wor John Paul
dot com Like I said, by the time y'all hear this,
I will be in sand I will have been in
San fran and I will be back. But keep in

(01:08:09):
mind in October there's talk for me to be in Atlanta,
and then there's also some conversation in me being locally
around California doing some other stuff. So yeah, just reach
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(01:08:29):
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(01:08:53):
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remember what Joe hoo.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
We may not to be a cup of tea, but
girl dehydration CAUs heirations to get some one in your body.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Amen, Amen, Amen, Yes, and it's hot as hell. See
you drink some walcup. We love you forrel We'll see
you next week. Bye by