August 30, 2022 • 48 mins
This week we talk being a rebel, what it means to be a disruptor and why everyone should be over the status quo with the one and only, Clarkisha Kent!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Black Fat Film Podcast. It's a production of My
Heart Radio and Dr John Paul LLC. Hey everyone, welcome
to another episode of the Black Fat Film Podcast, where
all the intersections of identity are celebrated. I am one
of your hosts, John also known as Dr John Paul,
And regardless of how you feel about boneless wings, I'm
(00:22):
still gonna eat them. How are you Joe home? No? No, no,
no nom. I'm doing fantastic. Well, it's good. Yeah, I
am the beige shadow today at Jordan's or Joe. Now,
I'm here to tell you about fat film. Fall is approaching.
So if you see me long on coffee shop pub
spice or tearing on brunch spots with my ask, please
come my tab y'all. It's ropping these streets, okay, I
(00:47):
love to see it. Well, just know that I'm gonna
be right behind you because I am also uh your
sister and pupkin spice, and I'm already how everybody over
at Starbucks. I've I've been to the coffee being maybe
two times already, and I've just given the barista that
looking He's like, it's not here yet. You gotta wait.
They're pumpkin shi it's probably my favorite me. Please see
(01:14):
me with the pumpkin Shi bitch, the way I drove
through that way. Let me tell you something real quickly
when we get into the show. This is so off
because baby, let me tell you something. Last year I
was in my car going through the drive through that
man handed me that pumpkin shi in the way that
I pressed on that break a barista like this can't
(01:35):
be real, the way that that's baby, don't even you
don't even need to get me started. The pumpkin spice
Shy from Coffee Bean is live everything all right, Well,
let's talk more about life. Speaking of life, our guests
this week, um is my girl. Now let me tell
you this again. Not on our run of show. Clarkesha
(01:57):
Kent is in the building. Do not be Clarkesha kid
is in the building. We talked about the Twitter God,
the creative of group on Pain. Clarkesha Kent has been
my road dog from the beginning of of all of this,
and so I'm so happy that I get to share
this space with them. Thank you so much, Clarkesha for
(02:19):
being on the show. I'm getting chills with how excited
I am. How are you I am good boot, thank
you for having me on. I'm super excited as well,
because it's been awesome just seeing you do your thing.
So now that you have a podcast, I'm like, I
had to come in support support. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
well it really is. It is really a full circle
(02:40):
moment for both of us. I mean, we started out
on the grounds of Twitter, we became friends, we became
friends in real life, and now we're ultimately kind of
just supporting each other back and forth across the ether.
And I'm just so grateful to be able to say
that my sister in the social media streets is here
with us this week, and so we are going to
get into what I like to call the rebel episode
(03:01):
because Carkeishaka is a badass. If y'all don't know, you
don't know today that Clarkeisha is the one that loves
to shake the table and I love them for it.
They have genuinely created so many things, specifically in media
outside of media that has really challenged the way that
we think about things, and so I'm just really happy
that we can get into some conversations with them today.
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So one of the things we always love to do
and we start our show with is we we kind
of jump into still here. As you all know, ste
e l here is what the first segment of the
show is called steer here here this week, this week
we're gonna start on a petty note. And so with
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that being said, I don't know if any of you
saw the viral video from Lizzo last week where um,
we're basically Lizzo had posted a video basically noting that
when she told one of her friends mom that she
was going to be a celebrity, the mother laugh often
her face. And so this week I kind of wanted
to kind of do like a call back to Lizzo
(04:05):
and shout her out for being the amazing creator that
she is. But I wanted to ask the both of you,
is there a specific person, a specific individual that you
want to give kind of what I like to deem
as the Lizzo laugh for saying something or for not
thinking that you would get this far. So we'll start
with you, Clarkesha, and then we'll go with you, Joe,
go a head, Clarkesha. I mean it would be you.
(04:28):
You don't my history, right, it would just be my
whole family because it's one of those things where yeah,
maybe my whole immediate families, you know, my blood quotations family, right, um,
because you know I need from a very small age
and a lot of us just do like we're born
and we just know. We just know where we're what
we're supposed to do what we're supposed to do it
and like your community around you can't believe that you
(04:49):
would be that laser focused as a chop, right, So
you know I used the draw sketch and then right, um,
so they just were like, that's not a career and
I'm like, okay, anyways watching me, dude, I like, yeah,
I'm going to do it because I said I'm going
to do it. Now. If I said I wasn't going
to that's one thing because I said that. But once
I say I said what I said, it would just
(05:13):
be my im media family, um, because you know, they
just they wanted to be the one to decide my
life so bad and I'm like, that's not how this goes. No,
that's not how this works. I love that. Thank you
for sharing that crack. What about you, joho? You know
I would say I would say the people like so
I would say I'm very privileged that the people in
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my in my communium and my crew like never made
me feel like I couldn't achieve anything I want to achieve.
Like it's such a privilege that people believed in me,
maybe believe in myself. But I will think of the
people who told me I wouldn't get far because I
was too sensitive. They told me I couldn't have the
pressure that cracked easily in the journey that I would
like that I was a cry maybe or push over,
and like I guess they didn't realized that they was
(05:58):
rocking with diamonds. So as as Lizzo says, bye bitch,
yes little laugh by bitch, all of that in that order. Um,
And I do want to say, I think this is
again this is another opportunity for me to love on
my co host. But I think your softness has really,
(06:19):
in a lot of ways helped me understand why it's
so important for me to be kind and soft to myself.
So I just want to say the world, probably, you know, honestly,
probably made you feel bad for being such a soft person.
But I think every week when I get on the
mic with you, when we're texting back and forth about
the show, or just life stuff. You really bring this
(06:39):
softness and this this kindness, and I think that's why
I love doing the show with you, Joho, is that
you really bring out the softness in me because this
world is hard, and I think you being kind and
you being soft really shows that that you can survive
being who you are. So I love that the team
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we ever here sweating into UM. So for me, I
just want to say this, bitch oat worldwide. UM. Shout
out to Candy Burrus. And the reason why I say
that is because, um, I I wanted to for this week,
really wanted to focus on the people who teased me
for being queer and different back in high school. UM.
And then also I had a lot of folks who
(07:21):
said I was too queer in my professional career and
now my core asses everywhere. Again, I like Candy Burrus, bitch,
I'm worldwide because when you check, when you actually check
the account to see who is like tuning into the show, girl,
we got people listening in Malaysia, we got people listening
in Zurich, we got people listening in Italy, we got
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people listening. So it's so we are literally worldwide at
this point, and I just want to say, come on past,
and so I just want to say that I know
that people are sick of me, but I also know
at the end of the day that being black, fat
and loud and queer is what got us here. So
(08:05):
shout out to the people who made fun of me,
because now that laughter is me laughing to the bank.
All right, all right, Well, with that being said, we
have a couple of bills that we have to pay. Um.
Obviously we always have to pay the man. So when
we get back, we are going to talk with Clark
Keisha who and really just kind of talk to them
(08:27):
about this again conversation around what it means to be
a rebel and really talk about how they became the
badass that they are. More in a second. Okay, fam,
welcome back. So before we jump into the Business Week's
category of being a rebel, I want to quickly ask
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because I think it's important what each our definitions are
of being a rebel and why why that is so
important to to our liberation. Clarksian on this show, as
you know, by now, let's let we love to have
our guests go first, So please speak speak some worries
with us. Thank you so much. Joe so UM. I
if I were to like define rebel like in a
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quick you know, sec, I would say someone who is
not afraid of disrupting the status quo. UM, because often
even you know, the status quo is not always like
the right thing. It's just what people deem is easier
to deal with, right or go along with? Um? And
(09:31):
you know, oftentimes you just there needs to be a
disruptor in the very least to get you to see that, hey,
maybe the status quo is something there needs to be changed. UM.
Obviously it's not easy to being the disruptor, and you're
always gonna face some sort of push back UM because disrupting,
you know, wakes people up and it makes them think,
and sometimes people don't want thing. Let's listen, let's be honest.
(09:55):
So that's what I would say, is the rebel. Thank you,
thank thank you, thank you. John. How about you? So
kind of in the same vein, I think being a
rebel really is knowing that there's going to be backlash
for you speaking truth to power, knowing that you're going
to make a lot of people uncomfortable, knowing that you're
because that's the thing in this world, specifically, when we
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start talking about and we talk about this in different
facets right throughout the show. We're on episode eight. We've
talked about white supremacy, We've talked about white mass and
how it's so pervasive. When you talk about each of
those things, you can't talk about being a rebel without
mentioning those things because what are you what are you doing?
You're calling out the systems that are meant to press you.
And so I've I've really kind of looked at me
(10:38):
being a rebel. And I've said this in so many generations.
I know I'm a rebel because I won't let people
oppress me. Right, I won't let people I won't let
people be racist to me. I won't let people be
fat phobic to me. I won't let people be theamphobic
to me, Like I call that ship out all the time.
And so being a rebel is knowing that the world
is always going to hate you for being that person
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that brings that up. But at the same time, you're
creating change by allowing other people to stand in like, well, actually,
maybe maybe you know what you are a problem. You're
the issue, it's not me. And so I think that's
what a rebel is. Is knowing that they're not specifically
the issue, They're the one that's gonna push the issue
and make it bigger so that other people can see
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what it is and that they can have the space
and the grace to speak on it too. M I
love that both the other just bringing up so much
this like the the thoot of of having the audacity
to do it and have the audacity to be a rebel,
to stand for yourself. I love that so much, So
thank you both for sharing. I'll I'll say for myself. Yeah,
(11:40):
y'all know how in grade school you would get like
little marks and report cards about you, right, yeah, So
every year my part card would be like, 'regan such
a curious child? Curious that was very curious, always me
being curious, which to me is coded as rebel because
I was like always questioning why things were the way
they were. And I've gone from a law for it.
(12:02):
I got, I got the belt a lot for That's
what day I'm that right now. I think like, well,
the three of us commercial experiences, come on, there's my ass.
My ass is strong inside because I got the belt
in the paddle and the switch. So many times I'm
like mouth like gamdo shake, but yeah, but really like it.
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Crafted my in line with you all, crafted my definitions
rebel as being someone be unafraid to question even when
they know that they're even at their own risk to
the point that you made, John, because because we know
that there's more possibility than what's being shown to us,
and I think that's special. So to me, the rebels
is knowing knowing that there's more out there than what
than what what we're told there is, and taking the
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risk even even though we know we know we're gonna
get the belt up the day anyways, So this brings
up a really good point and I kind of want
to throw it to you, Clarkesha, Right Um, I am definitely,
and I think this is what bonded us right at
the same time, we kind of got deemed as the
people on social media who aren't afraid of trouble or
to create trouble, right um. And I love that that's
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who we are. And I say we collectively because I
even think that this show is good trouble. Right, black
fat fans, We are three things in the world that
the world definitely doesn't want to see or want to
hear from, and yet we have this platform, and I
wanted to know, like what made you want to start
utilizing your voice and your platform to to dismantle these systems. UM,
specifically the systems that don't really truly deserve us. Excellent question. UM,
(13:37):
I would throw it back to like two does and
twelve to them thirteen. UM. I was leaving high school
and you know, a really good friend of mine was like,
list out a blog and super simple, super like straightforward,
So I definitely want to do that. Um. In the
middle of my tenure at the blog I had tried
to break into because it started I was like fun first, right, UM.
(13:59):
I had tried to break into like digital media, you know,
digital media online outlets, and I just kept getting like
nose for like really arbitrary reasons, and I was like,
you know what, suck it, Like I'm going to like
do my own things. So I went back to my
blog and just started like putting out as as good
(14:20):
of content I could at the time and trying to
just get not just eyes on me, but like approach
a lot of these entertainment topics from like an alternative perspective.
So it wasn't until I started disrupting people's clicks, you know,
clicks and site views that they're like, okay, so what's
she doing over there? So yeah, like what's happening over there?
(14:43):
So after that, um, I moved on from the blog
because it was kind of tough maintaining the blog and
also like doing my own thing freelancing. And then I
basically brought that mindset of like you can't lock me out,
Like I'm gonna find a way in every time, even
if I have to climb in the window or knocked
down the door, you know. So, um, that's what happened.
I brought that attitude to my other freelancer jobs and
(15:04):
then we're kind of now we're kind of here, um,
because I wanted to make it normal to ask the
type of questions that I do when consuming media. And
obviously I'm not the only person, um, but you know,
being who I am, you know, dark skinned, fat, um, queer, disabled,
everything like it, it means a lot to me to
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say these things myself. I don't want people speaking for me,
like I want to be able to say, hey, like
you got me bad and let me tell you why.
So that's kind of my attitude, you know, from experience
of being locked out UM. I was like, yeah, let's
let's let's switch this up. Let's do something different, and
(15:47):
just understand, you're not gonna stop me if I decide
I want to stop, and then that's one thing, But
you're you're not gonna stop me as an entity, as
a system. You know, I'm gonna keep barreling through um
until you know I don't want to anymore. But that
that was kind of my attitude coming in. Mm hmmm.
I love that. Is That's so powerful because it's it's
(16:07):
very much like I'm not here. I'm not here to
take any ship period, and you know, like one thing
I want to get into with you is that like
not only not only did you say I'm not taking
your ship, you also said let me run you my
ship so you can see how you can be better
as well. So I we want to talk to you
about your brilliant hashtag can't test a test design that
essentially verifies of a show or film provides actual positive
(16:31):
representation of black women and all women of color, which
includes trans women. We love to see it. I'm curious
to ask you what inspired you to package it in
this way and how do you feel like it's impacting
the storytelling a black woman or all all women of color.
Thank you so much for asking. So UM, it started
off as a project like with within Equality for her,
(16:52):
Like there was a representation guy that came up that
was put out initially. UM. I think they're now defunct,
but they still did good work, right, So UM. I
took it from there and kind of kind of developed
it further. UM because the guide had the camp test
and also had like questions about media that you can
ask like a discussion group and also vocabulary. UM. But
(17:15):
the test, I was like, I feel like you could
do something really interesting with it. So when it came back,
when it came out like I think it's like March nineteen, UM,
during International Women's Day, I was like, okay, so I
think this is I want this to be like a
perma thing. I don't want it to just be like
a one off where I put it out there and
then that's it. I was like, we're gonna tweak it
(17:36):
developed a little further, and then that's gonna be test um.
You know obviously, like people say it is like a
derivative of UM, the Beckdel test Um, because I know
the creator initially did mean for a test to like
be this big thing, but it ended up being a
thing because you want to be able to use things
to interrogate your media, right, And sometimes people don't have
the words or the terminology or they don't have like
(17:59):
the framework yet to kind of illustrate why they're dissatisfied
with a particular piece of media. So I also wanted
to be able to basically give them that framework to
view the work. Um. And like I mentioned, I'm like,
it's not to be all end all, but like it's
kind of a good starting point for you to be like, Okay,
why does this representation of a black woman or like
(18:21):
you said, woman of color? Why does it bother me?
Like is it that like I actually don't like this character,
or is it like because this person is like a
shell of what an actual like black woman would be.
You know. So I want people to like interrogate stuff
like that, um, because I always say, my my whole
thing behind what I do is that media matters, and
(18:43):
not in just the whole like you know, representation matters thing,
because you know that's that's been dragged here there, right,
but I mean in the terms of like impact, Like
if you ask, I don't know any common person on
the street like about what they consuem UM and how
they view people. I promise see there's gonna be a correlation. UM.
(19:05):
If you show enough stereotypes UM about anybody, right, you
show enough time to people, and those same people haven't
actually been exposed to the people that the stereotype is about,
They're going to assume that this is how just how
it is. UM. So images on television when they go
on television, movies, whatever, UM, when they go and checked
(19:27):
UM can be the driving force behind the humanization of somebody. Right.
So I take that type of stuff seriously. So that's
why I really wanted to contest to like be thorough
but also like easily packaged, so like it's it's that
framework is easy for someone to look at and then use.
(19:47):
Thank you. It's super intentional. And I think that's the
thing I really love about your work, Karkisha, is that
a lot of the stuff you like, even your tweets
I have. What I've watched as you know, both of
our forms have grown, is how intentional you are about
looking at that kind of through line that basically you
(20:07):
are good for calling out when people try to play
dumb on social media or in and media and representation right,
And I love that you constantly bring that to the
to the forefront. But I did want to kind of
like shout out that, Wow, you know, I think your
power is so much more than just a tweet or
just something that goes viral. And what I'm really excited
about it is so a couple of months ago, you
(20:29):
tapped me on the shoulder, you brought me into a
conversation and you said, Hey, you know, I'm getting ready
to release this book. I would love for you to
be in conversation with me about this book. So your
book fat Off, Fat On a Big Bitch manifesto. Yes
to the title, Yes to the picture. Um, I love
the fact that you have really you know, from what
I've read, I haven't read the whole books, I want
(20:50):
to say that, but what I was able to read,
I feel like there's just this candid and hella humorous
you found. So you found a to really talk about
some really hard things in the Carcassia way, and I
think that's what makes me so excited about reading this book.
So what I wanted to ask and tandem to this,
is how did you find the energy or the humor
(21:13):
to laugh when writing something that for many of us
would be probably a struggle that would take us out. Yeah. Um,
so I'm so happy asked that because I'm gonna shout
out what has been a trending topic apparently for the
last forty eight hours, which is therapist, y'all, therapist, therapist, therapist, psychiatrists, whatever.
(21:35):
I know, trying to find one is a pain to ask.
I will always say that it is because this country
makes it, so let's be clear. But once you find
those people, so, like you mentioned, because I had those
people on deck for as long as I did, because
you know, insurance and all that red tape rights, for
as long as I did. Um, they were super super
(21:58):
helpful because like you mentioned, I wouldn't you know, right,
a particularly triggering chapter for the day, and then you know,
my next session and my therapist we would just sit
and talk about like, hey, so I wrote this. You know,
I didn't think I remembered this, and then I started
writing it and then all these you know details, um
and time stamps in my mind everything came back to me,
(22:19):
and you know, she would be like, hey, so let's
unpack that, Like, how do you feel now that your
ex years removed from this incident. Um, so that was
part of it. And also like time Like I know
people are like, that's so cliche, but no time away
from what was a very damaging of our environment, destructive environment,
(22:40):
even the people itself that represented what that environment was about.
Like time away really gives you like a lot of perspective, right,
um and also reminds you of, hey, like it sucks
that you were like serve those decks of cards, but
like you made it like you're out of it and
you now have the time to heal now. Um So yeah,
(23:02):
because of the kind of like the some of all
those things, I was able to like um right with
humor still but also process in real time. M I
want to talk about growth, I'm like that's i I'm honestly,
I'm I'm still processing what what you've shared one because
(23:24):
I like the way the way you're sharing answers is
just like I mean when obviously your writers, so you
know how like like like you know how to talk
about your work as well. But it's just it's it's
the crops. It's the crop, it's the saint. It's like
it's like it's giving precision it's giving, like it's giving
hitting every answer on the tea, it's it's giving grace
(23:46):
with the with with with the thank you for asking
that like thank you, thank you for receiving and asking
and answering it as well. I'm just like I'm just,
I'm just I'm I'm in love with you, um just
I'm in love with you. But I am thinking a
lot about something something you just said, just in your
answer that was focusing on like just like just like
having different facets of you, um and like the struggle
(24:10):
of struggles that are in there or the the the
experiences are in there, and I want to hone in
on one other facets of you, which is with your day.
And you say, you know, flat black, by and disabled,
and this disability is really something. It's the conversation. It's
not a conversation many of us are ready to have.
I think I think it's like just you know coming
(24:31):
up now, you know, like I mentioned it a little
bit in last week's episode two at the end, and
I feel like we we it's like we don't quite
know our grasps and nuances of this intersection. And so
I want to ask if you can maybe envision with
us what it looks like to weave in disability justice
and work into our work as black patmams or even
particularly into your work. UM. I think weaving it in two,
(24:56):
which is excellent question. Again, weaving it in means that
you're going to have to really think critically about how, UM,
disability rights also ableism affects your life. UM. There's lots
of popular discussion about language, right, and that's you know,
that's kind of for me, that's the base thing. Language,
that's where everything starts. UM. But then when you start
(25:18):
like really thinking about it, then you can kind of
come up with voice to address it. UM. I'll give
you a really good example. UM, some of the like
the as you're seeing on TV commercials that we see
that we think are really funny. Like when I was young,
your thought is very humorous. Right, Like I got older
and I had like, you know, a disability activists or
(25:39):
to be like, hey, so those are actually products that
are four disabled people. But because you can't come out
and say that without the product being branded as niche, right, UM,
you have to market it to the general population. So
even something as simple as marketing is influenced by people's ableism. UM,
(26:00):
So you really have to think about stuff like that
and even how this country is treating like COVID, Like
you have to think about stuff like that and how
that affects everything UM. I think a really good example
is the fact that um they want to pretend it's
not a thing anymore, so they've taken away a lot
of the accessibility um UM factors and tools that were
(26:22):
given over the last two years. Right, So something as
simple as being able to attend a meeting gets affected
by disability. So you really have to think about, like
I guess, like if you're able person right, like your
standard day right, and how it would be affected if
(26:44):
you no longer had access to some of the simplest
things including I don't know, maybe getting down downstairs like
things like that. Like people don't think about that because
they don't they don't want to UM. So tackling able
is UM and addressing disability rights means that you literally
just have to think about the next person and and
(27:08):
what you would do, how you would feel if you
had to constantly go on around the world that just
doesn't want to make room for you for spaces, wow,
And I I appreciate I think and I've been saying this.
He was like, well, how much can you appreciate Karkisia.
I do so much because you, again you take very
(27:28):
what i'd like to say, grandiose topics and you really
bring them down to earth in a lot of ways,
and that I think a lot of people. I'll just
say this, you don't fake pretend to be super smart.
That's the thing that I love is that you genuinely
know what you're talking about. And there is no extras
on the stuff that you put out. You're just like,
this is what it is, girl, and this is what
(27:50):
you need to understand. And I love that because there's
no tens on twenties and and when when it comes
to Parksia or your content, and I just want to say, like,
I really I've learned earned so much from reading your tweets,
from engaging with the people in your tweets, and even
you calling out people who like to play pretend that
they are, you know, trying to be this grand scholar
(28:13):
and you're saying, girl, knock it off. You know what,
you know what it is here. Let's let's not do that.
And so I just want to you know, I'm really
big on giving people their flowers and really saying, you know,
it is folks like you, clarkishaw who because you keep
showing up, you keep saying what needs to be said,
you say it the way it needs to be said.
That I think you make room for people like me
(28:33):
and Joho and so many other individuals to kind of
be able to say what we need to say the
way we need to say it. And so this is
me just officially giving you your flowers and wanting to
say thank you so much for just everything you put
out into the world. So with that being said, we're
gonna go ahead and take another quick break. But we
wanted to ask clarke do you want to stick with
us for the rest of the show. Yeah, yeah, okay,
(28:57):
there you must have with us. Have to say yes anyway,
so when we can, when we come back, we're gonna
talk more with Clark Keisha about the joys of being
a big bitch. We're gonna pay some dells real quick
and will be right back. All right, So this week
for what's on your plate? I wanted to ask um,
(29:18):
I want to talk about sweet Honey, because I you know,
I love me a good pie and things of that nature.
But but on top of that, I wanted to talk
about um and thank you for correcting me, Joejo. So
I'll say this in the actual show run of show document,
I had guilty pleasure and then Joejo called me out
for it. So I've officially changed it in this section
(29:40):
to what is your guiltless pleasure? Pleasure when it comes
to food, And I'm gonna say that mine is. Um.
I am a donuts, I love a good cake. I ate.
So I'm gonna tell you all this because y'all is family.
So I have some leftovers from dinner last night, but
also had a leftover red velvet cheesecake from the cheesecake factory. Um.
(30:05):
Real thing to know about me that no matter how
much money I make, I'm always eat at the cheesecake factory.
That's just my That's just me. Cheesecake factories like okay, real,
just just real quick. I just say, people I like that,
like that, like that. That's like a booty place to go.
I'm like, it's expensive, yes, you have to make money, yes,
(30:26):
but I'm still gonna eat there regardless of how much
money I make. But I had some leftover cheesecake and
so I ate the cheesecake before I ate my lunch
right now. I don't really want to wait till after
I'm done eating these leftovers. I want cheesecake right now,
so you always know me. I'm going to eat a
sweet if it's in the house. So what about y'all?
(30:48):
What call me little diabetes? I don't care, But what
are y'all guiltless pleasures when it comes to food? Clarkesha,
please please go ahead. So um, I would say I
have like three, but there's also like seasonal things, so
I think I'm just gonna go down a list list
room things would definitely be a banana pudding, Like I
(31:12):
will always stop and eat a banana pudding. I'm sorry,
Like I'll just be like putting right there. So there's that. Um.
I love a good brownie, like again, I will stop
everything in the room to get a brownie, Like you
have a brownie on the table is mine? So there's
that brownie. Um pudding was the last one. Oh my god,
(31:34):
I can't think of it right now. Oh some butter
pink and I scream like that's an old person flavor.
I don't care. It's good. You will just call me,
you know, um Mary Low you know, Mary Louie, that
is me that but please you can call me Lucile
(31:58):
or something because I'm going butter pecan. Yes, eat it
every time. As far as seasonal things go. I love
a good Eggno, yes, I'll eat it. I mean I'll
drink it. But you know, and any anything pumpkin you know,
(32:19):
I know, fun of it. You know, I used to
be that person, but I love anything Pumpkin's pancakes, whether
it's yeah, it's a pie, I'm gonna eat it every
single time. I have found my community. When you said
pee comb, I said, that's why we're friends. That's why
(32:40):
we were family, because you like. It's just I'm speechless
because people don't talk about how good pecan pie is.
I had a situation where, sleeping someone put a slice
in front of me a couple of weeks ago. My
whole day was going down the toilet, wrapping me, and
as soon as they put that pecan pie in front
of me, everything got better. I just was like, this
(33:02):
is life, this is life, So please see me. What
about you, joh Well, First of all, I just want
to say I love that y'all said peacan. Because when
people say peacampie. It's just um, it's like no, I
just cannot do it. I'm like Peter, he can't. I
just can't do it. So I love I love me stuff.
I also love me some pecan pies. What it is
(33:22):
my is like my is my pusure, my gillless pleasure.
I mean any dessert to me, Like you said season,
I'm like, give it to me any season, any day, anytime,
like keeping made in the oven. I'm ready worried. Okay,
I would say, other gilless pleasure. I mean you for
sure you got know me. I'm pumpkin anything, anything, pumpkin anything.
(33:45):
You can just literally give me the spice itself. I
will suck it up, give it to me. Oh my god. Um,
I would say, okay, so y'all, y'all was little sweet.
I'm being a little bit savory. So John knows I don't.
I don't. I don't eat a lot of meat, and
she don't eat pork. Not not because I'm just because
I just don't love tea pork. But but I have
(34:06):
such a soft spot for Appa Store, which is like,
so about those who don't know, I'm I hope everyone
knows what Apple Store is in this in these streets,
but so don't know. It is a marine, a pork
on a spit, usually served in Mexican cuisine and actually,
fun fact, it was actually spied by Lebanese immigrants in
the nineteth century that came to Mexico. So like via shawarma,
(34:26):
which I mean obviously shawarma is is is in my
soul too, So I love it. I'll just say, Appa store,
I love it, Nataco, I love it, embrito I love
on my body. However I can get it, I will
take it. Is my is like my favente thing in
the world, but on my body, on my Okay, okay,
this real quick. The people, so I know people who
(34:47):
be having like the you know, they they're having the
cute little like birthday parties and shipped with like with
their significant other and they did that thing where they're
like dressed naked and sushi and I'm like, that's not cute.
Me dressed me naked and Appa stot dressed me kid
in lingual dress, me nick never naked in some like savor.
If I want my man to just just like eat
all the like a taco of like like a taco, yeah,
(35:11):
like a big yeah. Yeah, it's a big tortilla sheet
with a whole bunch of meat and a whole bunch
of different sides. I love that journey for you, I
will say, Um, I appreciate when people do the whole.
I've been to some events or I have been to
places where they do the pig inside the ground and
then they bring up the meat and then do it
that way. What it is, but it's just so good, honey.
(35:35):
I just love good food, you know. I'd love to
see that for us. Um. But what I was gonna
say is I was just gonna sing a dito. We
are family like a Gian true tree. We all we
all love the same things that I love to feel seen.
Thank you so much, thank you everybody. I can't wait
(35:56):
for Thanksgiving. I'm gonna be oh my god. Alright, alright, alright,
fam Okay. Well, while John places their third Chris became
Ordered of the day. No shame about it, just I
just I just wish they'd shared that. So why did
you share? We gotta pay something. We got a lot
of bills this week, God damn. So we'll be back
at one another minute with our Oh yes, ma'am, and
(36:18):
no man PAMs Okay, y'all, time to get into our
yes ma'am and no man PAMs of the week. To
kick us off with my yes mam. I'm gonna give
a yes ma'am to my mama for doing her own
thing and always doing it well. What is it that
the like you see on Netflix the Netflix's black An
(36:41):
It's like, Queen, you have done it again, showing the
world like that's that part um my mom was. This
episode is about being rebel, and my mom was the
original rebel that I knew growing up. She taught me
how to be audacious. I'm thankful to her for showing
me how to be show me to have audacity, how
(37:02):
to how to advocate for yourself and ask what you need.
So yes ma'am to her Mama, I love you so
so much. To Daby if you're ever listening, a man
doubt she ever will because she's like, what's the podcast?
But if she ever does, girl, you knows a mama
shouts you out. And I want to say a no
man pam. I like last week, you know, last week
I popped off about some other things. So I'm just
keep it really simple. The weather this week is too much.
(37:24):
I can't do it. It is my my phone keeps
saying every day it's seventy five but feels like eighty six,
and the humity is like eighty percent. I'm like a girl.
And and then I said, if we're gonna have monsoon season,
that's not a California thing. Monsoon is a where. Yeah,
so I am no mampam to you. Climate climate climate
(37:48):
change is real. This is a podcast that believes in it,
and we are feeling it here and the people I cannot,
I cannot. I'm like, you tell me it's not a
real bit you are. You have in floods everywhere, We're flooded,
like it's it's really really bad. Clarks would your guest
MAM's and you're no MAM's this week, Yes, ma'am. Would
(38:09):
go to Lizzo. Um, I love her special album. Um
it's great. You know, haters be damned. You know. Sometimes
we want to listen to fund music, shake our action.
People have accepted, you know, the artists and musicians have
accepted that mission this summer. I I support them fully.
Want is too much terrible going on? You know. Also,
(38:31):
people love to get their tweets and stuff and their
headlines off of her um. And you know, I don't
like that. I think it's disrespectful. I think it's low brow.
I think that, you know, you just want to cloud
off another fat person. You think you're just gonna get
it by making whatever um. And I appreciate her not
paying damn any mind. Like what happened with that segment
(38:52):
with that white woman where she called her precious. I'm
just glad she's on the beach and she was like, anyway,
my ass is out, the sun is out. That to be.
I'll pay you, insane, girl, I pay you insane. Yes. Yeah,
So she didn't pay no mind, and then you know,
the new story came and went as I should um
by no man for the week weeks plural really will
(39:13):
be the c d C. They to see me outside,
they used to see me outside, see me outside right, Um,
how they've handled all these pandemics just just they leaven us.
They just leave it us out here like I like that.
It's not it's not no and just tweeting and stuff,
(39:36):
just tweeting through it. Wait, so we are dossy, y'all ear,
but bebe the way that the c d C said,
So y'all don't want to pay attention to nothing. Y'all
don't want to admit this is real. Did die the
audacity the audacity of them too, because they act like
(39:57):
we wasn't there in one day. It was like okay,
no man, right right. Spon says that stuff you're the
one giving us. You're giving us the wrong message. I
am literally crying because the CDC basically if that that,
(40:23):
the CDC is basically that that father that you see
randomly that you don't really connect with, and it just
showed up, believe, and you want a good relationship with them,
but you can't trust them. I'm down the street, but
it's really been a good years since you been down
the streets. Right, the CDC trust you us. I heard
(40:47):
someone some milk. Basically, girl, do whatever y'all want to do.
It don't matter anyway. Do whatever I want to do,
because you're don't do it anyway. The CDC does not
care about black people. UM, jowout, Oh God, let me
(41:09):
get myself together. UM, I am so sorry. I know
that Chris is gonna have to edit through this of
me laughing, So shout out to Chris having to do
with my laughter. My yes, ma'am this week, I wanted
to definitely shout out UM. So I know that there
are two trans women on UM the Cozy uh the
Cozy Song for Beyonce, but I specifically wanted to name T. S. Madison.
(41:31):
I wanted to shout her out because I so so
I met T. S. Madison like in person back and
I think it was like, um, and we had a
real conversation about what it's like to be black, fat
and specifically you know, obviously they're trans, I'm non binary.
We had a real conversation about that in media. And
if I could go back to and tap T. S.
(41:54):
Madison on the shoulder and said, girl, the world is
going to receive you in ways you never thought whatever happened,
I don't think that they would have ever imagined that,
And so I just wanted to to big ups to
them and say, like, I'm just so proud of Ts
for all that she's done. Uh, the idea that she
has standard in her her truth and however that truth
(42:15):
has shown up for for other people. You know, respectability
politics is something she does not lean into and I
love that for her. But I definitely just personally why
I love TS Madison is that I know that Kaya
is somewhere shipping a brick because of how successful TS
has been in the last few years. I mean, obviously
the album is getting ready to go to number one,
(42:36):
but Cozy is actually ranking in um the Billboard Top
one hundreds. So it's just a big deal. It's a
big it's a really good time and a good season
for black trans women, and I'm so proud of her
for all that she's done. So if you're listening to TS,
know that you are loved over here and one day
we'll be able to laugh and piki both in person
and on the mic. Um My, no man PAMs this week.
(42:57):
So I'm just gonna keep it simple. You may if
you know me and you follow me, you will know
that I for years have griped about this. I have
thrown tantrums about this. I still, for the life of me,
can't understand it. And um where So the reason why
this is my Nomaan Pam this week is they are
(43:18):
currently painting where I live, and so a lot of
it's really hard to navigate my apartment complex because of
the painting. However, there was a gentleman who decided yesterday
that he wanted to back in, and he wanted to
make everybody in line who was entering through the gate weight.
(43:39):
Why why do people back in? Like I understand you
think it's quicker to leave, but you are holding up
other people who are behind you that are trying to drive.
It is my biggest pet peeve, and I swear I
always want to throw a can of tomatoes at somebody
for truly for backing. It's just it's bugs me just
(44:03):
just occasionally back said. But listen, it's listen, listen, listen.
It's strategy. Okay, because let me just real ut there
not to defend that that man was dumb. And I
would never back in with a line behind me, Okay,
I have my sense about me. But what I will
say is when you have two cars, when you when
(44:23):
you park between two cars, and you know how they
have the front doors, right, you know, I don't want
my front door. I want the front door when my
front door knocking off, knocking off my little, my little mirror.
So I back in that way. That way, if their
front doors hit me, they hit they hit my back doors.
I mean, don't hit my door, period. But it's really
about strategy of likes. That way we don't John gave
(44:47):
me the biggest, the biggest, sure, Jan Yeah, literally if
I would see me because I'm literally giving you see
me with the back ends, yeah, back in people conga line,
right he. I wish I could be here for that,
But like I said, I literally want to slap people
with the hands of twelve um twelve ancestors for literally backing.
(45:12):
It is the bane of my existence. So I can't wait.
And you drive with me and I'm back in reals
just and I'm going to chop you right in the nexus.
I'm literally gonna hit you right in the neck. Literally,
I'm gonna like literally going to just turn over and
just be like, why are you doing this? Why are
you why? Why? Why? Why would you do this to me?
(45:36):
Why would you put me in this situation? But no,
that's just me being petty. But I genuinely still hate it.
All right, everybody, When we have reached the end of
the show, thank you everybody for listening to us laugh
at Kiki. This has been a great episode. Please send
us your thoughts, your feedback, and your emails to black
Fat film pot at gmail dot com. We definitely want
(45:57):
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(46:17):
on too for the newsletter. I know some of you
have deemed being said, girl, what is this newsletter that
you keep talking about? What are you doing? We're trying
to craft it. I have not had time to craft it. Um.
I am going to say this lovingly to people. I'm
getting ready to go on vacation and so you will
hear in this episode. By the time you hear this episode,
I will be on vacation. But once I get back
(46:39):
from vacation, we will definitely start working on getting more
information out about what this newsletter is and how you
all can be a part of the Black Fat Film family.
With that being said, Carcassia, tell the dolls where they
can find you. Um, yes, thank you. So on Twitter
you can find me. I write all day underscore um,
(47:00):
and then you can find me at at Clark Kent
on Instagram and also at Clark on TikTok and then
obviously have a website which is www dot Clark Hican
dot com. Yep, and I will put those in the
show notes as well, Joejo, let them know where they
can find you, baby, y'all can find me. Y'all can
find me back in in Erlope Parking outside so much
(47:28):
any local coffee shop made on the door saying what
is my pumpkin spies bitches? Besides that, you can find
me strapped into. My social media is at Joho Daniels
across all socials accept linked and do keeper classy there,
or visit my website at ww by read that, or
visit my website at www dot during Daniels dot com.
(47:51):
Holl at that time you hear this episode, it will
be updated same here because I need to do the
same to my website to row um. But as for me,
when I'm not browsing the Apple website for ship that
I don't need, you can find me at Dr John Paul,
both on Instagram and Twitters and facebooks and YadA, YadA YadA.
You can also visit my website at ww dot Doctor
(48:13):
John Paul dot Com. We want to thank our producer
Tari Harrison and the entire team over at I Heeart
Media for all of the love that they give us. Specifically,
we want to shout out our editor Chris Rogers who
puts up with our ship every single week. Thank you
Chris for being an absolute amazing peach. We love you
to death. With that being said, this has been another show.
(48:33):
Thank you for listening and remember being skinny isn't the
only thing that makes you beautiful. See you next week.
The Black Fat Film Podcast. It's a production of My
Heart Radio and Dr John Paul LLC. Hey everyone, welcome
to another episode of the Black Fat Film Podcast, where
all the intersections of identity are celebrated. I am one
of your hosts, John also known as Dr John Paul,
And regardless of how you feel about boneless wings, I'm
(00:22):
still gonna eat them. How are you Joe home? No? No, no,
no nom. I'm doing fantastic. Well, it's good. Yeah, I
am the beige shadow today at Jordan's or Joe. Now,
I'm here to tell you about fat film. Fall is approaching.
So if you see me long on coffee shop pub
spice or tearing on brunch spots with my ask, please
come my tab y'all. It's ropping these streets, okay, I
(00:47):
love to see it. Well, just know that I'm gonna
be right behind you because I am also uh your
sister and pupkin spice, and I'm already how everybody over
at Starbucks. I've I've been to the coffee being maybe
two times already, and I've just given the barista that
looking He's like, it's not here yet. You gotta wait.
They're pumpkin shi it's probably my favorite me. Please see
(01:14):
me with the pumpkin Shi bitch, the way I drove
through that way. Let me tell you something real quickly
when we get into the show. This is so off
because baby, let me tell you something. Last year I
was in my car going through the drive through that
man handed me that pumpkin shi in the way that
I pressed on that break a barista like this can't
(01:35):
be real, the way that that's baby, don't even you
don't even need to get me started. The pumpkin spice
Shy from Coffee Bean is live everything all right, Well,
let's talk more about life. Speaking of life, our guests
this week, um is my girl. Now let me tell
you this again. Not on our run of show. Clarkesha
(01:57):
Kent is in the building. Do not be Clarkesha kid
is in the building. We talked about the Twitter God,
the creative of group on Pain. Clarkesha Kent has been
my road dog from the beginning of of all of this,
and so I'm so happy that I get to share
this space with them. Thank you so much, Clarkesha for
(02:19):
being on the show. I'm getting chills with how excited
I am. How are you I am good boot, thank
you for having me on. I'm super excited as well,
because it's been awesome just seeing you do your thing.
So now that you have a podcast, I'm like, I
had to come in support support. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
well it really is. It is really a full circle
(02:40):
moment for both of us. I mean, we started out
on the grounds of Twitter, we became friends, we became
friends in real life, and now we're ultimately kind of
just supporting each other back and forth across the ether.
And I'm just so grateful to be able to say
that my sister in the social media streets is here
with us this week, and so we are going to
get into what I like to call the rebel episode
(03:01):
because Carkeishaka is a badass. If y'all don't know, you
don't know today that Clarkeisha is the one that loves
to shake the table and I love them for it.
They have genuinely created so many things, specifically in media
outside of media that has really challenged the way that
we think about things, and so I'm just really happy
that we can get into some conversations with them today.
(03:21):
So one of the things we always love to do
and we start our show with is we we kind
of jump into still here. As you all know, ste
e l here is what the first segment of the
show is called steer here here this week, this week
we're gonna start on a petty note. And so with
(03:43):
that being said, I don't know if any of you
saw the viral video from Lizzo last week where um,
we're basically Lizzo had posted a video basically noting that
when she told one of her friends mom that she
was going to be a celebrity, the mother laugh often
her face. And so this week I kind of wanted
to kind of do like a call back to Lizzo
(04:05):
and shout her out for being the amazing creator that
she is. But I wanted to ask the both of you,
is there a specific person, a specific individual that you
want to give kind of what I like to deem
as the Lizzo laugh for saying something or for not
thinking that you would get this far. So we'll start
with you, Clarkesha, and then we'll go with you, Joe,
go a head, Clarkesha. I mean it would be you.
(04:28):
You don't my history, right, it would just be my
whole family because it's one of those things where yeah,
maybe my whole immediate families, you know, my blood quotations family, right, um,
because you know I need from a very small age
and a lot of us just do like we're born
and we just know. We just know where we're what
we're supposed to do what we're supposed to do it
and like your community around you can't believe that you
(04:49):
would be that laser focused as a chop, right, So
you know I used the draw sketch and then right, um,
so they just were like, that's not a career and
I'm like, okay, anyways watching me, dude, I like, yeah,
I'm going to do it because I said I'm going
to do it. Now. If I said I wasn't going
to that's one thing because I said that. But once
I say I said what I said, it would just
(05:13):
be my im media family, um, because you know, they
just they wanted to be the one to decide my
life so bad and I'm like, that's not how this goes. No,
that's not how this works. I love that. Thank you
for sharing that crack. What about you, joho? You know
I would say I would say the people like so
I would say I'm very privileged that the people in
(05:36):
my in my communium and my crew like never made
me feel like I couldn't achieve anything I want to achieve.
Like it's such a privilege that people believed in me,
maybe believe in myself. But I will think of the
people who told me I wouldn't get far because I
was too sensitive. They told me I couldn't have the
pressure that cracked easily in the journey that I would
like that I was a cry maybe or push over,
and like I guess they didn't realized that they was
(05:58):
rocking with diamonds. So as as Lizzo says, bye bitch,
yes little laugh by bitch, all of that in that order. Um,
And I do want to say, I think this is
again this is another opportunity for me to love on
my co host. But I think your softness has really,
(06:19):
in a lot of ways helped me understand why it's
so important for me to be kind and soft to myself.
So I just want to say the world, probably, you know, honestly,
probably made you feel bad for being such a soft person.
But I think every week when I get on the
mic with you, when we're texting back and forth about
the show, or just life stuff. You really bring this
(06:39):
softness and this this kindness, and I think that's why
I love doing the show with you, Joho, is that
you really bring out the softness in me because this
world is hard, and I think you being kind and
you being soft really shows that that you can survive
being who you are. So I love that the team
(07:00):
we ever here sweating into UM. So for me, I
just want to say this, bitch oat worldwide. UM. Shout
out to Candy Burrus. And the reason why I say
that is because, um, I I wanted to for this week,
really wanted to focus on the people who teased me
for being queer and different back in high school. UM.
And then also I had a lot of folks who
(07:21):
said I was too queer in my professional career and
now my core asses everywhere. Again, I like Candy Burrus, bitch,
I'm worldwide because when you check, when you actually check
the account to see who is like tuning into the show, girl,
we got people listening in Malaysia, we got people listening
in Zurich, we got people listening in Italy, we got
(07:42):
people listening. So it's so we are literally worldwide at
this point, and I just want to say, come on past,
and so I just want to say that I know
that people are sick of me, but I also know
at the end of the day that being black, fat
and loud and queer is what got us here. So
(08:05):
shout out to the people who made fun of me,
because now that laughter is me laughing to the bank.
All right, all right, Well, with that being said, we
have a couple of bills that we have to pay. Um.
Obviously we always have to pay the man. So when
we get back, we are going to talk with Clark
Keisha who and really just kind of talk to them
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about this again conversation around what it means to be
a rebel and really talk about how they became the
badass that they are. More in a second. Okay, fam,
welcome back. So before we jump into the Business Week's
category of being a rebel, I want to quickly ask
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because I think it's important what each our definitions are
of being a rebel and why why that is so
important to to our liberation. Clarksian on this show, as
you know, by now, let's let we love to have
our guests go first, So please speak speak some worries
with us. Thank you so much. Joe so UM. I
if I were to like define rebel like in a
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quick you know, sec, I would say someone who is
not afraid of disrupting the status quo. UM, because often
even you know, the status quo is not always like
the right thing. It's just what people deem is easier
to deal with, right or go along with? Um? And
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you know, oftentimes you just there needs to be a
disruptor in the very least to get you to see that, hey,
maybe the status quo is something there needs to be changed. UM.
Obviously it's not easy to being the disruptor, and you're
always gonna face some sort of push back UM because disrupting,
you know, wakes people up and it makes them think,
and sometimes people don't want thing. Let's listen, let's be honest.
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So that's what I would say, is the rebel. Thank you,
thank thank you, thank you. John. How about you? So
kind of in the same vein, I think being a
rebel really is knowing that there's going to be backlash
for you speaking truth to power, knowing that you're going
to make a lot of people uncomfortable, knowing that you're
because that's the thing in this world, specifically, when we
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start talking about and we talk about this in different
facets right throughout the show. We're on episode eight. We've
talked about white supremacy, We've talked about white mass and
how it's so pervasive. When you talk about each of
those things, you can't talk about being a rebel without
mentioning those things because what are you what are you doing?
You're calling out the systems that are meant to press you.
And so I've I've really kind of looked at me
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being a rebel. And I've said this in so many generations.
I know I'm a rebel because I won't let people
oppress me. Right, I won't let people I won't let
people be racist to me. I won't let people be
fat phobic to me. I won't let people be theamphobic
to me, Like I call that ship out all the time.
And so being a rebel is knowing that the world
is always going to hate you for being that person
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that brings that up. But at the same time, you're
creating change by allowing other people to stand in like, well, actually,
maybe maybe you know what you are a problem. You're
the issue, it's not me. And so I think that's
what a rebel is. Is knowing that they're not specifically
the issue, They're the one that's gonna push the issue
and make it bigger so that other people can see
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what it is and that they can have the space
and the grace to speak on it too. M I
love that both the other just bringing up so much
this like the the thoot of of having the audacity
to do it and have the audacity to be a rebel,
to stand for yourself. I love that so much, So
thank you both for sharing. I'll I'll say for myself. Yeah,
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y'all know how in grade school you would get like
little marks and report cards about you, right, yeah, So
every year my part card would be like, 'regan such
a curious child? Curious that was very curious, always me
being curious, which to me is coded as rebel because
I was like always questioning why things were the way
they were. And I've gone from a law for it.
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I got, I got the belt a lot for That's
what day I'm that right now. I think like, well,
the three of us commercial experiences, come on, there's my ass.
My ass is strong inside because I got the belt
in the paddle and the switch. So many times I'm
like mouth like gamdo shake, but yeah, but really like it.
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Crafted my in line with you all, crafted my definitions
rebel as being someone be unafraid to question even when
they know that they're even at their own risk to
the point that you made, John, because because we know
that there's more possibility than what's being shown to us,
and I think that's special. So to me, the rebels
is knowing knowing that there's more out there than what
than what what we're told there is, and taking the
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risk even even though we know we know we're gonna
get the belt up the day anyways, So this brings
up a really good point and I kind of want
to throw it to you, Clarkesha, Right Um, I am definitely,
and I think this is what bonded us right at
the same time, we kind of got deemed as the
people on social media who aren't afraid of trouble or
to create trouble, right um. And I love that that's
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who we are. And I say we collectively because I
even think that this show is good trouble. Right, black
fat fans, We are three things in the world that
the world definitely doesn't want to see or want to
hear from, and yet we have this platform, and I
wanted to know, like what made you want to start
utilizing your voice and your platform to to dismantle these systems. UM,
specifically the systems that don't really truly deserve us. Excellent question. UM,
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I would throw it back to like two does and
twelve to them thirteen. UM. I was leaving high school
and you know, a really good friend of mine was like,
list out a blog and super simple, super like straightforward,
So I definitely want to do that. Um. In the
middle of my tenure at the blog I had tried
to break into because it started I was like fun first, right, UM.
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I had tried to break into like digital media, you know,
digital media online outlets, and I just kept getting like
nose for like really arbitrary reasons, and I was like,
you know what, suck it, Like I'm going to like
do my own things. So I went back to my
blog and just started like putting out as as good
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of content I could at the time and trying to
just get not just eyes on me, but like approach
a lot of these entertainment topics from like an alternative perspective.
So it wasn't until I started disrupting people's clicks, you know,
clicks and site views that they're like, okay, so what's
she doing over there? So yeah, like what's happening over there?
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So after that, um, I moved on from the blog
because it was kind of tough maintaining the blog and
also like doing my own thing freelancing. And then I
basically brought that mindset of like you can't lock me out,
Like I'm gonna find a way in every time, even
if I have to climb in the window or knocked
down the door, you know. So, um, that's what happened.
I brought that attitude to my other freelancer jobs and
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then we're kind of now we're kind of here, um,
because I wanted to make it normal to ask the
type of questions that I do when consuming media. And
obviously I'm not the only person, um, but you know,
being who I am, you know, dark skinned, fat, um, queer, disabled,
everything like it, it means a lot to me to
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say these things myself. I don't want people speaking for me,
like I want to be able to say, hey, like
you got me bad and let me tell you why.
So that's kind of my attitude, you know, from experience
of being locked out UM. I was like, yeah, let's
let's let's switch this up. Let's do something different, and
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just understand, you're not gonna stop me if I decide
I want to stop, and then that's one thing, But
you're you're not gonna stop me as an entity, as
a system. You know, I'm gonna keep barreling through um
until you know I don't want to anymore. But that
that was kind of my attitude coming in. Mm hmmm.
I love that. Is That's so powerful because it's it's
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very much like I'm not here. I'm not here to
take any ship period, and you know, like one thing
I want to get into with you is that like
not only not only did you say I'm not taking
your ship, you also said let me run you my
ship so you can see how you can be better
as well. So I we want to talk to you
about your brilliant hashtag can't test a test design that
essentially verifies of a show or film provides actual positive
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representation of black women and all women of color, which
includes trans women. We love to see it. I'm curious
to ask you what inspired you to package it in
this way and how do you feel like it's impacting
the storytelling a black woman or all all women of color.
Thank you so much for asking. So UM, it started
off as a project like with within Equality for her,
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Like there was a representation guy that came up that
was put out initially. UM. I think they're now defunct,
but they still did good work, right, So UM. I
took it from there and kind of kind of developed
it further. UM because the guide had the camp test
and also had like questions about media that you can
ask like a discussion group and also vocabulary. UM. But
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the test, I was like, I feel like you could
do something really interesting with it. So when it came back,
when it came out like I think it's like March nineteen, UM,
during International Women's Day, I was like, okay, so I
think this is I want this to be like a
perma thing. I don't want it to just be like
a one off where I put it out there and
then that's it. I was like, we're gonna tweak it
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developed a little further, and then that's gonna be test um.
You know obviously, like people say it is like a
derivative of UM, the Beckdel test Um, because I know
the creator initially did mean for a test to like
be this big thing, but it ended up being a
thing because you want to be able to use things
to interrogate your media, right, And sometimes people don't have
the words or the terminology or they don't have like
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the framework yet to kind of illustrate why they're dissatisfied
with a particular piece of media. So I also wanted
to be able to basically give them that framework to
view the work. Um. And like I mentioned, I'm like,
it's not to be all end all, but like it's
kind of a good starting point for you to be like, Okay,
why does this representation of a black woman or like
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you said, woman of color? Why does it bother me?
Like is it that like I actually don't like this character,
or is it like because this person is like a
shell of what an actual like black woman would be.
You know. So I want people to like interrogate stuff
like that, um, because I always say, my my whole
thing behind what I do is that media matters, and
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not in just the whole like you know, representation matters thing,
because you know that's that's been dragged here there, right,
but I mean in the terms of like impact, Like
if you ask, I don't know any common person on
the street like about what they consuem UM and how
they view people. I promise see there's gonna be a correlation. UM.
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If you show enough stereotypes UM about anybody, right, you
show enough time to people, and those same people haven't
actually been exposed to the people that the stereotype is about,
They're going to assume that this is how just how
it is. UM. So images on television when they go
on television, movies, whatever, UM, when they go and checked
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UM can be the driving force behind the humanization of somebody. Right.
So I take that type of stuff seriously. So that's
why I really wanted to contest to like be thorough
but also like easily packaged, so like it's it's that
framework is easy for someone to look at and then use.
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Thank you. It's super intentional. And I think that's the
thing I really love about your work, Karkisha, is that
a lot of the stuff you like, even your tweets
I have. What I've watched as you know, both of
our forms have grown, is how intentional you are about
looking at that kind of through line that basically you
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are good for calling out when people try to play
dumb on social media or in and media and representation right,
And I love that you constantly bring that to the
to the forefront. But I did want to kind of
like shout out that, Wow, you know, I think your
power is so much more than just a tweet or
just something that goes viral. And what I'm really excited
about it is so a couple of months ago, you
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tapped me on the shoulder, you brought me into a
conversation and you said, Hey, you know, I'm getting ready
to release this book. I would love for you to
be in conversation with me about this book. So your
book fat Off, Fat On a Big Bitch manifesto. Yes
to the title, Yes to the picture. Um, I love
the fact that you have really you know, from what
I've read, I haven't read the whole books, I want
(20:50):
to say that, but what I was able to read,
I feel like there's just this candid and hella humorous
you found. So you found a to really talk about
some really hard things in the Carcassia way, and I
think that's what makes me so excited about reading this book.
So what I wanted to ask and tandem to this,
is how did you find the energy or the humor
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to laugh when writing something that for many of us
would be probably a struggle that would take us out. Yeah. Um,
so I'm so happy asked that because I'm gonna shout
out what has been a trending topic apparently for the
last forty eight hours, which is therapist, y'all, therapist, therapist, therapist, psychiatrists, whatever.
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I know, trying to find one is a pain to ask.
I will always say that it is because this country
makes it, so let's be clear. But once you find
those people, so, like you mentioned, because I had those
people on deck for as long as I did, because
you know, insurance and all that red tape rights, for
as long as I did. Um, they were super super
(21:58):
helpful because like you mentioned, I wouldn't you know, right,
a particularly triggering chapter for the day, and then you know,
my next session and my therapist we would just sit
and talk about like, hey, so I wrote this. You know,
I didn't think I remembered this, and then I started
writing it and then all these you know details, um
and time stamps in my mind everything came back to me,
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and you know, she would be like, hey, so let's
unpack that, Like, how do you feel now that your
ex years removed from this incident. Um, so that was
part of it. And also like time Like I know
people are like, that's so cliche, but no time away
from what was a very damaging of our environment, destructive environment,
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even the people itself that represented what that environment was about.
Like time away really gives you like a lot of perspective, right,
um and also reminds you of, hey, like it sucks
that you were like serve those decks of cards, but
like you made it like you're out of it and
you now have the time to heal now. Um So yeah,
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because of the kind of like the some of all
those things, I was able to like um right with
humor still but also process in real time. M I
want to talk about growth, I'm like that's i I'm honestly,
I'm I'm still processing what what you've shared one because
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I like the way the way you're sharing answers is
just like I mean when obviously your writers, so you
know how like like like you know how to talk
about your work as well. But it's just it's it's
the crops. It's the crop, it's the saint. It's like
it's like it's giving precision it's giving, like it's giving
hitting every answer on the tea, it's it's giving grace
(23:46):
with the with with with the thank you for asking
that like thank you, thank you for receiving and asking
and answering it as well. I'm just like I'm just,
I'm just I'm I'm in love with you, um just
I'm in love with you. But I am thinking a
lot about something something you just said, just in your
answer that was focusing on like just like just like
having different facets of you, um and like the struggle
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of struggles that are in there or the the the
experiences are in there, and I want to hone in
on one other facets of you, which is with your day.
And you say, you know, flat black, by and disabled,
and this disability is really something. It's the conversation. It's
not a conversation many of us are ready to have.
I think I think it's like just you know coming
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up now, you know, like I mentioned it a little
bit in last week's episode two at the end, and
I feel like we we it's like we don't quite
know our grasps and nuances of this intersection. And so
I want to ask if you can maybe envision with
us what it looks like to weave in disability justice
and work into our work as black patmams or even
particularly into your work. UM. I think weaving it in two,
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which is excellent question. Again, weaving it in means that
you're going to have to really think critically about how, UM,
disability rights also ableism affects your life. UM. There's lots
of popular discussion about language, right, and that's you know,
that's kind of for me, that's the base thing. Language,
that's where everything starts. UM. But then when you start
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like really thinking about it, then you can kind of
come up with voice to address it. UM. I'll give
you a really good example. UM, some of the like
the as you're seeing on TV commercials that we see
that we think are really funny. Like when I was young,
your thought is very humorous. Right, Like I got older
and I had like, you know, a disability activists or
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to be like, hey, so those are actually products that
are four disabled people. But because you can't come out
and say that without the product being branded as niche, right, UM,
you have to market it to the general population. So
even something as simple as marketing is influenced by people's ableism. UM,
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So you really have to think about stuff like that
and even how this country is treating like COVID, Like
you have to think about stuff like that and how
that affects everything UM. I think a really good example
is the fact that um they want to pretend it's
not a thing anymore, so they've taken away a lot
of the accessibility um UM factors and tools that were
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given over the last two years. Right, So something as
simple as being able to attend a meeting gets affected
by disability. So you really have to think about, like
I guess, like if you're able person right, like your
standard day right, and how it would be affected if
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you no longer had access to some of the simplest
things including I don't know, maybe getting down downstairs like
things like that. Like people don't think about that because
they don't they don't want to UM. So tackling able
is UM and addressing disability rights means that you literally
just have to think about the next person and and
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what you would do, how you would feel if you
had to constantly go on around the world that just
doesn't want to make room for you for spaces, wow,
And I I appreciate I think and I've been saying this.
He was like, well, how much can you appreciate Karkisia.
I do so much because you, again you take very
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what i'd like to say, grandiose topics and you really
bring them down to earth in a lot of ways,
and that I think a lot of people. I'll just
say this, you don't fake pretend to be super smart.
That's the thing that I love is that you genuinely
know what you're talking about. And there is no extras
on the stuff that you put out. You're just like,
this is what it is, girl, and this is what
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you need to understand. And I love that because there's
no tens on twenties and and when when it comes
to Parksia or your content, and I just want to say, like,
I really I've learned earned so much from reading your tweets,
from engaging with the people in your tweets, and even
you calling out people who like to play pretend that
they are, you know, trying to be this grand scholar
(28:13):
and you're saying, girl, knock it off. You know what,
you know what it is here. Let's let's not do that.
And so I just want to you know, I'm really
big on giving people their flowers and really saying, you know,
it is folks like you, clarkishaw who because you keep
showing up, you keep saying what needs to be said,
you say it the way it needs to be said.
That I think you make room for people like me
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and Joho and so many other individuals to kind of
be able to say what we need to say the
way we need to say it. And so this is
me just officially giving you your flowers and wanting to
say thank you so much for just everything you put
out into the world. So with that being said, we're
gonna go ahead and take another quick break. But we
wanted to ask clarke do you want to stick with
us for the rest of the show. Yeah, yeah, okay,
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there you must have with us. Have to say yes anyway,
so when we can, when we come back, we're gonna
talk more with Clark Keisha about the joys of being
a big bitch. We're gonna pay some dells real quick
and will be right back. All right, So this week
for what's on your plate? I wanted to ask um,
(29:18):
I want to talk about sweet Honey, because I you know,
I love me a good pie and things of that nature.
But but on top of that, I wanted to talk
about um and thank you for correcting me, Joejo. So
I'll say this in the actual show run of show document,
I had guilty pleasure and then Joejo called me out
for it. So I've officially changed it in this section
(29:40):
to what is your guiltless pleasure? Pleasure when it comes
to food, And I'm gonna say that mine is. Um.
I am a donuts, I love a good cake. I ate.
So I'm gonna tell you all this because y'all is family.
So I have some leftovers from dinner last night, but
also had a leftover red velvet cheesecake from the cheesecake factory. Um.
(30:05):
Real thing to know about me that no matter how
much money I make, I'm always eat at the cheesecake factory.
That's just my That's just me. Cheesecake factories like okay, real,
just just real quick. I just say, people I like that,
like that, like that. That's like a booty place to go.
I'm like, it's expensive, yes, you have to make money, yes,
(30:26):
but I'm still gonna eat there regardless of how much
money I make. But I had some leftover cheesecake and
so I ate the cheesecake before I ate my lunch
right now. I don't really want to wait till after
I'm done eating these leftovers. I want cheesecake right now,
so you always know me. I'm going to eat a
sweet if it's in the house. So what about y'all?
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What call me little diabetes? I don't care, But what
are y'all guiltless pleasures when it comes to food? Clarkesha,
please please go ahead. So um, I would say I
have like three, but there's also like seasonal things, so
I think I'm just gonna go down a list list
room things would definitely be a banana pudding, Like I
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will always stop and eat a banana pudding. I'm sorry,
Like I'll just be like putting right there. So there's that. Um.
I love a good brownie, like again, I will stop
everything in the room to get a brownie, Like you
have a brownie on the table is mine? So there's
that brownie. Um pudding was the last one. Oh my god,
(31:34):
I can't think of it right now. Oh some butter
pink and I scream like that's an old person flavor.
I don't care. It's good. You will just call me,
you know, um Mary Low you know, Mary Louie, that
is me that but please you can call me Lucile
(31:58):
or something because I'm going butter pecan. Yes, eat it
every time. As far as seasonal things go. I love
a good Eggno, yes, I'll eat it. I mean I'll
drink it. But you know, and any anything pumpkin you know,
(32:19):
I know, fun of it. You know, I used to
be that person, but I love anything Pumpkin's pancakes, whether
it's yeah, it's a pie, I'm gonna eat it every
single time. I have found my community. When you said
pee comb, I said, that's why we're friends. That's why
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we were family, because you like. It's just I'm speechless
because people don't talk about how good pecan pie is.
I had a situation where, sleeping someone put a slice
in front of me a couple of weeks ago. My
whole day was going down the toilet, wrapping me, and
as soon as they put that pecan pie in front
of me, everything got better. I just was like, this
(33:02):
is life, this is life, So please see me. What
about you, joh Well, First of all, I just want
to say I love that y'all said peacan. Because when
people say peacampie. It's just um, it's like no, I
just cannot do it. I'm like Peter, he can't. I
just can't do it. So I love I love me stuff.
I also love me some pecan pies. What it is
(33:22):
my is like my is my pusure, my gillless pleasure.
I mean any dessert to me, Like you said season,
I'm like, give it to me any season, any day, anytime,
like keeping made in the oven. I'm ready worried. Okay,
I would say, other gilless pleasure. I mean you for
sure you got know me. I'm pumpkin anything, anything, pumpkin anything.
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You can just literally give me the spice itself. I
will suck it up, give it to me. Oh my god. Um,
I would say, okay, so y'all, y'all was little sweet.
I'm being a little bit savory. So John knows I don't.
I don't. I don't eat a lot of meat, and
she don't eat pork. Not not because I'm just because
I just don't love tea pork. But but I have
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such a soft spot for Appa Store, which is like,
so about those who don't know, I'm I hope everyone
knows what Apple Store is in this in these streets,
but so don't know. It is a marine, a pork
on a spit, usually served in Mexican cuisine and actually,
fun fact, it was actually spied by Lebanese immigrants in
the nineteth century that came to Mexico. So like via shawarma,
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which I mean obviously shawarma is is is in my
soul too, So I love it. I'll just say, Appa store,
I love it, Nataco, I love it, embrito I love
on my body. However I can get it, I will
take it. Is my is like my favente thing in
the world, but on my body, on my Okay, okay,
this real quick. The people, so I know people who
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be having like the you know, they they're having the
cute little like birthday parties and shipped with like with
their significant other and they did that thing where they're
like dressed naked and sushi and I'm like, that's not cute.
Me dressed me naked and Appa stot dressed me kid
in lingual dress, me nick never naked in some like savor.
If I want my man to just just like eat
all the like a taco of like like a taco, yeah,
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like a big yeah. Yeah, it's a big tortilla sheet
with a whole bunch of meat and a whole bunch
of different sides. I love that journey for you, I
will say, Um, I appreciate when people do the whole.
I've been to some events or I have been to
places where they do the pig inside the ground and
then they bring up the meat and then do it
that way. What it is, but it's just so good, honey.
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I just love good food, you know. I'd love to
see that for us. Um. But what I was gonna
say is I was just gonna sing a dito. We
are family like a Gian true tree. We all we
all love the same things that I love to feel seen.
Thank you so much, thank you everybody. I can't wait
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for Thanksgiving. I'm gonna be oh my god. Alright, alright, alright,
fam Okay. Well, while John places their third Chris became
Ordered of the day. No shame about it, just I
just I just wish they'd shared that. So why did
you share? We gotta pay something. We got a lot
of bills this week, God damn. So we'll be back
at one another minute with our Oh yes, ma'am, and
(36:18):
no man PAMs Okay, y'all, time to get into our
yes ma'am and no man PAMs of the week. To
kick us off with my yes mam. I'm gonna give
a yes ma'am to my mama for doing her own
thing and always doing it well. What is it that
the like you see on Netflix the Netflix's black An
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It's like, Queen, you have done it again, showing the
world like that's that part um my mom was. This
episode is about being rebel, and my mom was the
original rebel that I knew growing up. She taught me
how to be audacious. I'm thankful to her for showing
me how to be show me to have audacity, how
(37:02):
to how to advocate for yourself and ask what you need.
So yes ma'am to her Mama, I love you so
so much. To Daby if you're ever listening, a man
doubt she ever will because she's like, what's the podcast?
But if she ever does, girl, you knows a mama
shouts you out. And I want to say a no
man pam. I like last week, you know, last week
I popped off about some other things. So I'm just
keep it really simple. The weather this week is too much.
(37:24):
I can't do it. It is my my phone keeps
saying every day it's seventy five but feels like eighty six,
and the humity is like eighty percent. I'm like a girl.
And and then I said, if we're gonna have monsoon season,
that's not a California thing. Monsoon is a where. Yeah,
so I am no mampam to you. Climate climate climate
(37:48):
change is real. This is a podcast that believes in it,
and we are feeling it here and the people I cannot,
I cannot. I'm like, you tell me it's not a
real bit you are. You have in floods everywhere, We're flooded,
like it's it's really really bad. Clarks would your guest
MAM's and you're no MAM's this week, Yes, ma'am. Would
(38:09):
go to Lizzo. Um, I love her special album. Um
it's great. You know, haters be damned. You know. Sometimes
we want to listen to fund music, shake our action.
People have accepted, you know, the artists and musicians have
accepted that mission this summer. I I support them fully.
Want is too much terrible going on? You know. Also,
(38:31):
people love to get their tweets and stuff and their
headlines off of her um. And you know, I don't
like that. I think it's disrespectful. I think it's low brow.
I think that, you know, you just want to cloud
off another fat person. You think you're just gonna get
it by making whatever um. And I appreciate her not
paying damn any mind. Like what happened with that segment
(38:52):
with that white woman where she called her precious. I'm
just glad she's on the beach and she was like, anyway,
my ass is out, the sun is out. That to be.
I'll pay you, insane, girl, I pay you insane. Yes. Yeah,
So she didn't pay no mind, and then you know,
the new story came and went as I should um
by no man for the week weeks plural really will
(39:13):
be the c d C. They to see me outside,
they used to see me outside, see me outside right, Um,
how they've handled all these pandemics just just they leaven us.
They just leave it us out here like I like that.
It's not it's not no and just tweeting and stuff,
(39:36):
just tweeting through it. Wait, so we are dossy, y'all ear,
but bebe the way that the c d C said,
So y'all don't want to pay attention to nothing. Y'all
don't want to admit this is real. Did die the
audacity the audacity of them too, because they act like
(39:57):
we wasn't there in one day. It was like okay,
no man, right right. Spon says that stuff you're the
one giving us. You're giving us the wrong message. I
am literally crying because the CDC basically if that that,
(40:23):
the CDC is basically that that father that you see
randomly that you don't really connect with, and it just
showed up, believe, and you want a good relationship with them,
but you can't trust them. I'm down the street, but
it's really been a good years since you been down
the streets. Right, the CDC trust you us. I heard
(40:47):
someone some milk. Basically, girl, do whatever y'all want to do.
It don't matter anyway. Do whatever I want to do,
because you're don't do it anyway. The CDC does not
care about black people. UM, jowout, Oh God, let me
(41:09):
get myself together. UM, I am so sorry. I know
that Chris is gonna have to edit through this of
me laughing, So shout out to Chris having to do
with my laughter. My yes, ma'am this week, I wanted
to definitely shout out UM. So I know that there
are two trans women on UM the Cozy uh the
Cozy Song for Beyonce, but I specifically wanted to name T. S. Madison.
(41:31):
I wanted to shout her out because I so so
I met T. S. Madison like in person back and
I think it was like, um, and we had a
real conversation about what it's like to be black, fat
and specifically you know, obviously they're trans, I'm non binary.
We had a real conversation about that in media. And
if I could go back to and tap T. S.
(41:54):
Madison on the shoulder and said, girl, the world is
going to receive you in ways you never thought whatever happened,
I don't think that they would have ever imagined that,
And so I just wanted to to big ups to
them and say, like, I'm just so proud of Ts
for all that she's done. Uh, the idea that she
has standard in her her truth and however that truth
(42:15):
has shown up for for other people. You know, respectability
politics is something she does not lean into and I
love that for her. But I definitely just personally why
I love TS Madison is that I know that Kaya
is somewhere shipping a brick because of how successful TS
has been in the last few years. I mean, obviously
the album is getting ready to go to number one,
(42:36):
but Cozy is actually ranking in um the Billboard Top
one hundreds. So it's just a big deal. It's a
big it's a really good time and a good season
for black trans women, and I'm so proud of her
for all that she's done. So if you're listening to TS,
know that you are loved over here and one day
we'll be able to laugh and piki both in person
and on the mic. Um My, no man PAMs this week.
(42:57):
So I'm just gonna keep it simple. You may if
you know me and you follow me, you will know
that I for years have griped about this. I have
thrown tantrums about this. I still, for the life of me,
can't understand it. And um where So the reason why
this is my Nomaan Pam this week is they are
(43:18):
currently painting where I live, and so a lot of
it's really hard to navigate my apartment complex because of
the painting. However, there was a gentleman who decided yesterday
that he wanted to back in, and he wanted to
make everybody in line who was entering through the gate weight.
(43:39):
Why why do people back in? Like I understand you
think it's quicker to leave, but you are holding up
other people who are behind you that are trying to drive.
It is my biggest pet peeve, and I swear I
always want to throw a can of tomatoes at somebody
for truly for backing. It's just it's bugs me just
(44:03):
just occasionally back said. But listen, it's listen, listen, listen.
It's strategy. Okay, because let me just real ut there
not to defend that that man was dumb. And I
would never back in with a line behind me, Okay,
I have my sense about me. But what I will
say is when you have two cars, when you when
(44:23):
you park between two cars, and you know how they
have the front doors, right, you know, I don't want
my front door. I want the front door when my
front door knocking off, knocking off my little, my little mirror.
So I back in that way. That way, if their
front doors hit me, they hit they hit my back doors.
I mean, don't hit my door, period. But it's really
about strategy of likes. That way we don't John gave
(44:47):
me the biggest, the biggest, sure, Jan Yeah, literally if
I would see me because I'm literally giving you see
me with the back ends, yeah, back in people conga line,
right he. I wish I could be here for that,
But like I said, I literally want to slap people
with the hands of twelve um twelve ancestors for literally backing.
(45:12):
It is the bane of my existence. So I can't wait.
And you drive with me and I'm back in reals
just and I'm going to chop you right in the nexus.
I'm literally gonna hit you right in the neck. Literally,
I'm gonna like literally going to just turn over and
just be like, why are you doing this? Why are
you why? Why? Why? Why would you do this to me?
(45:36):
Why would you put me in this situation? But no,
that's just me being petty. But I genuinely still hate it.
All right, everybody, When we have reached the end of
the show, thank you everybody for listening to us laugh
at Kiki. This has been a great episode. Please send
us your thoughts, your feedback, and your emails to black
Fat film pot at gmail dot com. We definitely want
(45:57):
to say um that if you go to the actual
show notes. You can click on the email button and
it takes you right directly to the email. You can
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(46:17):
on too for the newsletter. I know some of you
have deemed being said, girl, what is this newsletter that
you keep talking about? What are you doing? We're trying
to craft it. I have not had time to craft it. Um.
I am going to say this lovingly to people. I'm
getting ready to go on vacation and so you will
hear in this episode. By the time you hear this episode,
I will be on vacation. But once I get back
(46:39):
from vacation, we will definitely start working on getting more
information out about what this newsletter is and how you
all can be a part of the Black Fat Film family.
With that being said, Carcassia, tell the dolls where they
can find you. Um, yes, thank you. So on Twitter
you can find me. I write all day underscore um,
(47:00):
and then you can find me at at Clark Kent
on Instagram and also at Clark on TikTok and then
obviously have a website which is www dot Clark Hican
dot com. Yep, and I will put those in the
show notes as well, Joejo, let them know where they
can find you, baby, y'all can find me. Y'all can
find me back in in Erlope Parking outside so much
(47:28):
any local coffee shop made on the door saying what
is my pumpkin spies bitches? Besides that, you can find
me strapped into. My social media is at Joho Daniels
across all socials accept linked and do keeper classy there,
or visit my website at ww by read that, or
visit my website at www dot during Daniels dot com.
(47:51):
Holl at that time you hear this episode, it will
be updated same here because I need to do the
same to my website to row um. But as for me,
when I'm not browsing the Apple website for ship that
I don't need, you can find me at Dr John Paul,
both on Instagram and Twitters and facebooks and YadA, YadA YadA.
You can also visit my website at ww dot Doctor
(48:13):
John Paul dot Com. We want to thank our producer
Tari Harrison and the entire team over at I Heeart
Media for all of the love that they give us. Specifically,
we want to shout out our editor Chris Rogers who
puts up with our ship every single week. Thank you
Chris for being an absolute amazing peach. We love you
to death. With that being said, this has been another show.
(48:33):
Thank you for listening and remember being skinny isn't the
only thing that makes you beautiful. See you next week.
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