April 15, 2025 • 55 mins
This week, your BFF's talk Rupaul Drag Race Season 17, why drag is so important in this climate and who truly deserves to be in the top 4.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Black Fat Fem Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of the Black duns
And Podcast, where all the intersections of identity on celebrates ed.
I am one of your hosts, Doctor John Paul. Uh,
you all know, I'm John Chaw. Y'all come here every
goddamn week, and I am happy to have my fat
ass back in my office chair in the state of California.
(00:28):
I was in New York City for one week, and
I don't know how y'all live like that. I don't,
I really, I really don't. My Lord, my God, the
concrete jungle, red cream to made us. I just I
don't know how y'all live like that. The sirens, the honking,
(00:48):
the rats, and y'all.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Just be moving through it. Y'all just be pushing through.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And you know, shout out to my dolls who lived there,
your friends of the show, my my new new so
known as Darrell. You know, there's a couple of other
folks that live out there that I love, my friend Brandon,
but that that ain't for me. That that'll never be
my journey. It's gonna take a lot of money to
get me to move to New York. But I just
(01:14):
wanted to say that. I just I got home yesterday
after some after fighting to get home.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I fought for my life to get home, y'all.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Missed my plane on missed my plane, had to spend
the night in Minneapolis with Prince, and then it had
to turn around and fly out, and then almost missed
my flight again. Delta, Delta was on something this week.
I don't know what's going on with these planes, but
Delta is definitely she's She's moving into the lane of
(01:42):
not being as dependable as as she once was. And
so yeah, mother, mother, Mother made it home by the
seat of her pants. But anyway, how are you, Jojo?
How you dealing it?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I just want to say the you know, the rats
in New York City are a different breed like we like.
I don't know what they put in them sewers, but
them rats out here looking like shutter.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yess who oh not sure.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Matt Master's splinter I think is the one. Yes comics, y'all,
fam it's your aka Joe, the other girl in this
co hosting duo, and I am wondering what are the
twenty four hours has in a day, yes, And are
they the same hours that we all have? That's wondering
because I do not think I have the same allotment sister, Like,
I don't know what she does or what magic crystal
(02:29):
she has for the multiverse, but I know how the
same pier she has. And it's rough, girl. I've been through, yeah, through,
I just I can't believe it anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I believe it, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
So I think the twenty four hours she has is
called assistants. She has money and I You have money,
and you have people you can like offload stuff too.
It makes it a lot easier for you to be
able to say, Okay, I'm gonna get this thing done.
I'm gonna focus on X, Y and Z.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
You can.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You can really afford to just be a creative because
you're not having to worry about your website, You're not
having to worry about responding to emails. You don't really
have to do any of that. You have people doing
it for you. Right. So that's that's the reason why
our twenty four hours don't look like her twenty four
hours because.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I feel like forty eight but they but they really
are only sixteen. Like what happens too. Okay, Well, yeah,
tell y'all, this episode is going to be all about
our favorite thing that we love to hate on and
hate to love. Drag Race is the finale is this week?
So and are still here? Segment I'm gonna ask you, John,
(03:31):
why is drag so special to you? Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I never talk about our first time scene drag before,
but we never really got into what makes drag so
important and special to us first?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And then I'll share Yes, come a girl, why yo
face look like Chuck?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Get ready two o'clock?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yes, get ready to clock? It was get ready to clock?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yes, you know, so I will you know as as
you've heard me say and I will continue to say,
all roads lead to drag Race. And I am happy
we're doing this episode because we've won it. We've we've
dabbled in drag Race, but we've never really devoted a
whole episode to drag and so I think it's gonna
be really exciting to be able to kind of just
get into that for this episode. So I hope y'all
(04:13):
buggling your seatbelt, y'all, get y'all get ready for some
drag Race fun. What I will say for me all
the things I love about Drag, I specifically love old Drag.
And what I mean by that is there is a
vast difference between Drag Race seasons one through four versus
the current stuff that we're seeing on the show now.
(04:35):
And it's not to say that that the new Drag
is not valuable or important, right. I want to make
that very clear because I think oftentimes when I talk
about this in public or in spaces with mixed company,
people think I'm trying to shade the new girls. That's
not what I'm trying to do. What I am saying
is is that I feel like drag has evolved, and yeay,
(04:57):
it has. I'm glad it has. But what I think
when I think about Drag, I think that there's a
specific energy the girls had in the earlier years of
drag versus the newer years of drag. Right, the older
years of drag, folks were very much devoted to the creativity,
and they were very much in this notion of I
want the world to know that I am a creative Right,
(05:19):
Whereas it feels like a lot of the dolls jump
into drag now because it's the thing to do. Right,
we have Drag Race we have all these iterations of
drag race, and so I'm wanting to make sure that
I make it very clear I'm not trying to shit
on the new girls.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
What I'm saying is old.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Drag for me is where the queens could make an
entire look out of two dollars and a stick of
gum and they made it work like they've worked that
two dollars that they had in their pocket, and they
gave performance. They would come to the stage, they would
performed the house down, boots, wig in hand, make makeup
(05:56):
not always right, you could always, but they but they
kind of paint it for the people in the back.
And then they would just turn around and they would
just give you such a good show. You leave there
feeling so full. And I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And maybe it's because I haven't mental drag show in
a while, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
If the dolls give that kind of drag now, it's
very there's this very subset of drag girls who do.
And so I'm a believer of like when drag is
done right, that's what makes me go, oh my god,
this is so special, right, I think about like laterrece
Rau's Natural Woman performance, dieter Riz singing this.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Will be when she hit or even thinking about what what?
What's the one? Who? Uh, I'm not joking, bitch, Coco
mont Trees.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
When she put her hand up to her to her
face and she she said, all the words in that
poll up duel song. That's that's that's the drag I
come here for. That's what I want. So yes, that
that's some good drag to me.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
What about you?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Says you know, I think you can make a good
point about the old dragon because back then, like like
they didn't paint, like, they didn't paint. I think now
when the girl's painting, they paint to like be pat
to like they paint to pass right right and like
bat then right like like the paint that they're giving
all drags that the paint you would say, like divine
do in like you know in like in like in
(07:11):
like John Watterson movies, like I mean, yeah, so much
that she was obviously made to be more like Carrier sure,
but like but butly like like you saw the elements
what drag was right like like it was high, it
was high eigh brac you had you had the extra
highlight on your face. You made sure that you you know,
the like the there was so much focus on like
being blended the way, but it is now right now
people want to have like like like the beat mug
(07:32):
and the mug is right and I love that, but
also like girl, like it's becoming too pretty into polished.
And I love your response so much because I always
sad about first man, I saw Dragon and obviously, as
people know, I'd showed this before, but Georgia Alana was
the first person that I saw and the first time
I went to a to an eighteen plus club four
queer nights, and it was amazing and to me, like
as a baby gate, it was so magical, magicular sea
(07:52):
performance like this because and for it to be so queer, right,
I remember she's saying oops did again by Britney Spears,
and I think it was the first time they got
to see that like it was okay to be this,
It was okay to be fam it was okay to
be queer, it was okay to perform like this, not
even just okay, but it was like revered and not
revered the way I stay right because today like everyone
(08:13):
knows drag race right, but like right, but like back
then it was it was like revered because it was
kintercultural and I lived and as I appreciate so much
that we've moved the needle on acceptance. Right, there's sometimes
a probab of me is like this was hours and
now it's like no longer just hours, and that makes
the haut for me, right, you know. And then like
you know, I've been about like what's what's so special
to me? I took that and at my community college,
(08:34):
I planned our first ever draft show on campus and
it's sixty plus year of a campus and it was
a smash success for three years and it ran and
I remember, I remember we had we had did one
like local queen come perform like a professional. And she
actually told me that she went to she went to
that she went to the same school and she said
she was like I was here a decade ago and
(08:55):
I tried my hardest to do a draft ship with
the administration not let me do it, and so like amazing,
like like aticular literation. She used to come back and
perform at that school. You know, Drag was community, drag
was unity. Drag was a celebration and it still is
all those things to me. You know, drag and drag
culture is the one of the backbones of queer communities
and from you. For years, it took the most courage
(09:17):
to perform trag and it still does some ways, but
especially like rural areas, but like it's much more embraced,
say than before, right, like you know, like now we're seeing,
we're seeing like straight men try drag just like try
it and no one understands. Rather, without drag literally would
not be here. We would not be still here without
without drag and the queens that came before us. Yes,
(09:40):
to me, it's important and special because like drag gave
me the blueprint to be who I who I am
today in all the most powerful ways.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, and I would often I would, I would, I
would say I would like to uplift the idea too,
that drag has been the thing that has helped a
lot of trans women figure out who they are, figure
out their aesthetic, figure out the way that they you know,
it really has given them the space to really understand.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Often like the dragon is often the runway, like yeah
intended right, Like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Trans non binary people have really figured themselves out through dragon.
So I definitely think it's important for us to give
snaps to that, and I would I would say, I
agree to so much of what you said in regards
to this notion of how it's not ours. And again
I I kind of I love, I do like the
idea that we've invited people in, but I also, you know,
(10:33):
I'm still big on this notion of challenging people to
think about why they like drag versus just this idea
of saying I like drag because it's fun.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
No, like what what else?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Because drag started out as a moment.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
For queer people to push protest.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, it was a protest, yeah, And so really thinking
about that, right, like not just being a part of
the culture, but really like you know, thinking about what
is it about drag that has helped me really understand
who I am and really understand the importance of like
there is no and I have to keep saying this,
there is no queer community without drag, period. So really
(11:11):
understanding that that that part. And so I'm so glad
that you asks this question. So, now that we have
thrown out all the dollars that we have, we are
going to take a break, and when we come back,
we're going to get into this week's category more in
to say, all right, y'all and we are black and
(11:36):
to kick off our main segment, our category is this week,
let's set some grounding for where the show is at now.
Now you've been keeping up with this season the drag race, right, okay?
And I hope that we don't give no spoilers away,
but will what I will do for folks is I
will put a marker in here for folks when I
when I upload the show and let folks know that
we are going to be talking drag race.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
So if you haven't been.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Keeping up and you don't want to get it spoiled,
you just fast forward, y'all.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
If you if you haven't watched this this the best
some of the supposte comes out will be finale week,
which means you wave past the lip single Lolla perusa.
If you haven't watched by then you know the top
fourst girl that's on you, that's on them.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Okay, points were made. I was still putting the point.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I will still put the we're not getting mailed for
talking about Jesus, why you spoiled the show for us?
So I did want to ask you, what do you
think of the top four.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Whose team are you on? I have my.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Thoughts, but I would love to know yours, and then
we'll go ahead and scurry on out.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Okay, first of all, sorry, Love, my nails look so cunty, bitch.
I'm just like, I'm gud. Then you ate this up?
She is have done when last night?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Okay, that's why they look I got yeah, my I
gotta go get mine done.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Probably in about a week. They got about another week a.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Week, it's like and then like by by by by
by week three this and they started keep becoming at clipingers
like girl you.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Got go ouch.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Okay, So talk four, I will say is mostly people
that I thought would be here. Say for Susie two,
I'm not gonna lie, I'm still a bit shocked that
she's not in the top four, but like, but I
also think, like I think she is so unique, Like
she is unique, but she.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Isn't unique kind of unique.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
She's got the kind of unique that like the show wants,
you know, unique as well to right love?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Can I answert a loving pause here?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Susie could have been in the top four, yes, but
she was very full of herself and kept thinking that
she didn't need the notes that people were trying to
give her, and the big note that Ruin Michelle kept
giving her all season was what change the makeup? Turned around?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Me turn it around.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
The big note this season was stop doing that. We're
done with the twenties. Okay, the Flopper era makeup. You
you did that for eight weeks. Stop give us something else.
(14:21):
And so when Michelle tells you to change it up
and you come out again with that same makeup, it's
time for you to go home.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
So also, like when Michelle tells you anything, listen to
Michelle like like she like she is the one. Like
she is, she's the She's like the pre entry, the
prerequisite for Rude to give, like for to give you back.
If she tells you make the change, she knows what
Rue wants. I know you're so right because when Michelle
locked her and was like I love that, Susie. You know,
(14:49):
feel that this is what you're going to perform. But
when she would leave the form, I was like, girl, okay,
say the girls. Okay, that's so fair. You're right, You're
right now. Anya. I knew Anya would be here. I
think she she's just so dynamic. Actually think she's a
full package, and I don't I will say I don't
think she's the most polished, but I think she is
(15:09):
a whole package because she doesn't try to be perfect, right,
like Rue actually hates that people don't think of the
Rue actually hates like perfection, which is why I Sam
Starr won't win because she's fantastic, She's stunning, she's like nudictively,
she's an amazing queens. But she's so perfect and I think, like, yes,
Sam stars like let down her, let down her, like
(15:31):
her like warbick and but like but but like Anya
came in like I'm gonna act up and out to
fool And I think that's the most really really great
you know. And I think and she I don't think
like Sam doesn't get doesn't get stupid the way that
Rue value. Yeah, LEXI, I love her so much and
I think she is incredible and I think she is
(15:53):
a like supreme case of saboteur, Like yeah, she like
I think like she really could and there are times
where there are times where I like she. I I
know why she didn't win as many challenges because she
was just like almost there right right, And I and
you and and I do think I do think maybe
(16:14):
they had her to a to a higher standard. And
and and I will I will like, I will like
think about that as like, especially especially with her being
a trans queen. Like, but she helped to hire her
than than than the other girls.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
You're asking some good questions, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And I was like, understand where her sebatory comes from,
right obviously to you. And I'm like, girl, like you
are dying, like you will. She like kept putting herself
against Susie, and I'm like, you two are not the same.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
We're gonna keep it a buck. Lexi, in my opinion,
is better than Susie.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I mean, am I wrong? Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I mean, this is the thing I'm gonna say this,
and and and this might be a hot take. I
can almost ignore the fact that a queen is not
quote unquote polished if they have a good personality. Yes,
And I feel like Susie did not give me this
notion of look past here because all of this is
(17:17):
so much more fun.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
That's what made me fall in love with Simone.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Let's be real here, right, Simone kind of had the
same look and aesthetic from the top to the bottom
of her season.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Let's let's keep it a buck right, there weren't. There
was not that much versatility.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
However, Simone had the it factor and that was the
thing that won the season for her, and so I
will say the same thing if Lexi was to win.
It is my opinion that I believe that Lexi does
have an IT factor. She's likable, she's fun to be around,
she can turn a room. She I don't know has
she has. She been in the bottom.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yet I think I think she lives saying for the win,
So I actually don't actually don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, either way, either way, I'm in the mind.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yet she does. I agree she has the IT factor,
but her only thing is that she tends her way
too much. Because she has done that, it would have
been in like a skyrocker for her, and then she
like really sad. And I also I hated the o'
clocker is so old because I she's thirty two years old. Okay,
the old, the old drag race. These girls were out
here in their forties.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Do not say fifties.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Thirty two is too old, right? You had chubble heids
out here until I had mess of Queen messively for
many reasons, Okay, same but like was out here in
her fifty fifties, you're not saying this, miss girls old.
Now speaking of the thing of the factor, I will
say jewels I love hands down. I would not be when,
I would not be mad if she won. I was,
(18:45):
I am. I was surprised to see her it so far,
but now that I've seen her, I like.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
She To me, she is a whole Podcason.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I do think she lacks like a wee, like a
small bit of uniqueness, like for the like for the
for the first half, I was like, she's Georgia's too,
and okay, and she is like she pinks better, she
she's like, she's funny, like she is funny as fuck.
She's sure, she's like so shuit herself, like I think
she is amazing. But I do think like like Anya
(19:15):
just has like sothing like like Anya, like Anya's in
factory is just a different in factor unless it's in
factor is a different doctor Sam's in fact, they all
they all have their own in factor. I think I'm
the most drawn to Anya's and jewels, but jewels, I'm like,
but I'm not mad she wins.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Sorry, I no, no, no to your point too, And this
is something that I've talked a lot about in various
different spaces, both on the mic and off. Could Anya
be a quote unquote heavily polished queen if she had
the money? And I think that's something that we also
have to talk about to right, Like, Anya has made
it very clear that drag is not her nine to
five that she has other that she has another job
(19:50):
outside of doing drag, And so my question becomes, if
Anya was given the capital to be able to buy
in turn the the way that she wants to turn it,
could she be that it girl per Cerve. And that's
that's the thought that I have after last week's episode.
What I will say is is, too, I also find
that people tend to critique black queens way more and
(20:12):
we talked we talked about this in our show, and
we've talked about it forever in the day, black queens
get critiqued harder than the other white queens, right And
not to say that this is the case for Anya,
I don't want to put that out there, But what
I'm saying is is that it's interesting to me that
you're not the first. And I'm not saying you're wrong.
I'm not saying that anybody is wrong by critiquing Anya.
But my question becomes, if Sam Starr have the same
(20:36):
energy as Anya? Do you get where I'm going with this, right,
Like with I don't know, I don't know what point
I'm trying to make, but I'm just trying to say, like,
sometimes I feel like black queens get critiqued harder for
they're not polished enough. When I'm going, you're just kind
of mad that a lot of like like is Anya.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
A bad queen?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
No, I don't know, I hear, I hear what you're saying.
I think like for me, the Polish, the Polish is
that like we come to expect a level of like
of like blending and like like like the difference in
make up between her and the other queens to me
is a little bit different. Yea, and but but to
(21:20):
your but to your point, right, it also could be
like the other girls are depending on lighter slash wider
faces and that's and that is more makeup is like
a may skin. To really interesting point, like, I I
only I only mean Polish in terms of makeup, not
in terms of like but I told but I think
you're abviously round like people will look at a black
(21:40):
queen and say she's not as polished as a queen
in general, and like right like they'll say, oh, she's
not as like funny or exciting, and I'm like no,
but they actually know that they actually are actually Anya.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Like I like, I have yet to see Anya do
a challenge where I have not laughed yes, entire challenge
or have.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Been like a trance by her like everything she does,
like like like like when she said that that jazz
song she did a yeah, she when she cut up
as as Dorothy and the whiz a Like you can't
tell me that she has that she hasn't like deserved
every win.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
She's incredible, just talented.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
She just talented like she like like like like o
the you know other Chrismini is different talent, talent, She
has nerve, the talent, the charisma, and the neatness. She
has all the above and she especially has the talent
and especially has the nerve. The nerve for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Ye oh god, So I so I.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Want to ask you because this isn't we saw like
a few things that were different, and I every season,
I always like what would be different? What would not
be different? There's a few seasons where it's like very formulaic,
and so I'm curious, as she like, what components of
drag Race do you think work well? Still? What components
do you what components do you think that you wish
that they should do again, or.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Like yeah, cut, yeah, so I love the I will
say this, for me, my favorite will always be the
comedy challenges. I think anytime they do a comedy challenge,
whether it's the roast, whether it's them having to like
sell their own product, whether it's them having to be
like there were a couple of like hit or misses
this season for me, but anytime they were doing something
(23:07):
related to having to rely on the comedy and the
comedic timing of each of the queens, I was literally
I was in the show.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I was in it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I am a big proponent of I've known they've they've
dropped this and older seats, I say older seasons, but
in seasons like I think it was like season ten.
I noticed a shift from the notion of them having
to know how to sew, and I see them going
back to it, but they're still not doing it as
much as they were doing it in the first few seasons.
The first few seasons, it kind of felt like every
(23:38):
challenge in some capacity had an element of you have
to sew your own look for you to be able
to walk the runway. Even if you had a challenge
in that challenge, you didn't come to the challenge without,
you know, taking a moment to go, oh, we're doing
this thing tonight and I have to make something for
this look and then have to turn around and do this.
And again, maybe it is a production thing. I don't
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work on the World of Wonder. I've never worked I
don't know anyone who works with World of Wonder. I
don't know what production looks like from that. So maybe
that's why they've probably pulled back on the sewing challenges.
But I definitely have always been that girl that's been like,
I need my queens to know how to sew, or
at least know how to give the illusion that they
know how to sew. And then also like I just
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think that I don't know, I just I wish that
there were more. And again, I don't know where this falls.
I don't know where this show's up in the show,
but I just wish we had more time to get
to know the queens. I feel like in the years past.
Like I don't wanna say get to know, I just
I will say this. When Fifi O'Hara was on the show,
I knew that she was an asshole. And it wasn't
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that it was just what she was saying and doing.
It was like we knew there were there were like
the camera was intentional about building a story around her.
I don't know if any of the queens are getting
that anymore. Like I don't feel like there's you know
what I mean, Like I don't really know who these
queens are when the show is done, even though there
they've been with us for this amount of time, right,
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I still don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
We're gonna trauma so quickly. Like there's one Yeah, there
was one episode. I was like episode three or four
of this season and I was like, girl, we went
from like kicking to like literally like three girls are
having trauma dumps and I'm like, this is not this
is not breaking for me, girl, Like yeah, before you
just like talk about your horrible experience of life, right,
I was just.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Like, gooped, You're like, okay, I just might came in here,
and you.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Know, I think that point it also it also like
doesn't pay off like for the queen or that part
the show, right, Like this doesn't pay off. I'm not
saying like I'm not trying to say that like the
that like like like like you're like like you have
to earn the trauma. That what I'm saying. But but
in terms like storytelling, right, there is a payoff in storytelling,
and yeah, that has not paid off in the way
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it has in like other seasons.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, you're You're one hundred and ten percent
correct in that and saying that, And that's I think
that's the biggest critique that I would give is that
I don't know. And again, and like I said, I
think it might be because there are too many moving
pieces of the puzzle when we're thinking about what this
show is and what the show has become, that we
don't get a chance to know the queens.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But I just I feel like I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I'll be like I said, I some of them, I
don't even know their names, and then I'll know that
they'll they'll be gone and someone will reference them and
I have no clue who they are, Like I'm like.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Who who?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Like someone mentioned someone recently and they were like, how
did you feel about when so and so went home?
And I was like, who, Like, I don't, I don't know,
Like I only know really at this point, I only
really know the top four and I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And then maybe, and like.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I said, it could be that there's too many queens.
It could be there's too many episodes. Maybe they're doing
too much in the episodes. But I just wish that
we went back to a day where I really felt
like I knew the Queens when the show was done.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So what about you left?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Also bingmck untucked untucked in fact original, I am mad.
Also like now they sell it as a separate girl.
Yeah my part, you were paying enough, calm down, right.
I also I miss the challenges or the Queens would
be in the streets of Hollywood, like bring back them
in the holloway like because that because back then that
ship was dangerous for them. Yeah listen, yes, very today
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people would love the Queens and like, I want to
see the Queen's out in the streets doing some wild ship.
Yeah I think. Yeah, I love I you know, I
love I love the I love the uh the uh.
I agree with you, like a Queen's no how so
like a queen's house. If you're girl, what are you
doing here? Why is you here? Every every season I'm
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like you, this show has been on for thirty thousand years,
has twenty and has fifty eleven seasons.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, across the world.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
You need to know how at the very least girl,
so a scene like you've got to do a scene
girl the top the three things that I say every season,
And if you are a fan, if you listen to
our show and.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
You are thinking about going on drag Race, doctor Higgins
is telling you these three things you need to know
how to do.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You need to take a comedy.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
You need to take some type of improv comedy something
or another. You've got to know how to improv. You've
got to learn how to sew. And you've got to
learn how to walk. A lot of these girls cannot walk.
They're cute, but they can't walk in them hills.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And that's.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
That too.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So I have a question for you now that we
don't questions back and forth. I guess if if you
were on drag Race thinking about us, we're gonna put
ourselves into the ring. Since we spent the whole pretty
much all of this segment talking shit about the other girls.
If you were to put yourself on drag Race, where
do you think you'd place. I'm not gonna have a
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hold you. I am sure I'd probably go home first
because I don't have too much ship slide and and and.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Then you know how they have to vote now vot
you have to go.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, they got that whole voting system now with the
which to anybody, if there is someone who listens to
this show from World World of Wonder, I want one
of them little lipsticks that say doctor John Paul. Somebody
is also please do yes, yes, get us some lipstick.
Is that Mabeline Anastocea Beverly here? Somebody please get us
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a lipstick.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
With our name on it. We need we we need that,
we need that.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
But yes, I would definitely go home because they vote
my big ass out.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Okay, I for sure think I make top six. I
would not be taught for Yeah, I wouldn't unfortunate any
one of those girls who doesn't who does not know
how so? But and don't come from me, y'all. If
I knew something, if I knew that I was on
drag Race, I had learned I get class I at
least know her to use the machine, which I do. Okay,
so I will not come out I'm not coming not
knowing nothing. But also I know how is the garment
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which I can sell A piece? I can sell peace girl,
I can sell the cloth. Really, yes, I am full.
I think I am full of charisma. You need this
nerve and talent.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Far you go far, would say, because you're very likable,
I will say to thank you like it's not I'm
not even not even waxing your car, Like you just
have such a beautiful and joyful energy to be around.
And I'm sure that that would exude through all of
the stuff. But like I said, I don't let none
of them girls slide, and they be really quick to vote.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And my confessionals, people with people would efessionals, they be like, girl,
this bitch is crazy and confessionals. Yeah, but I do
think snatch came with me would be my downfall.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I partially think maybe maybe I can do gener Coolidge. Maybe,
but like I really don't have like I do great characters,
feels of like building an character, Yeah, I do not.
I do not do. I'm not an impression of type
of girl. That's just not for me. Sash game happens,
she's gone.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Not you being like soon this snatch game happens, You're like, well,
let me pack this shit up because it's time to go.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Came. No, No, I won't. I can't even do it.
I won't survive. I won't survive.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
No, I think I'm gonna get that all. That's actually
that's it.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Okay, So okay, So my last question for you is,
so we discussed our favorite queens from this season. Yes,
what are your favorite seasons and the queen and queens
from those seasons or queens in general.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Okay, So for for me, I'm gonna say, of course,
season four, uh, person who wrote with the Ford of
my book, Why wouldn't I say Literes Royale. I would
also say season thirteen, uh, Simone from out the Gate
as soon as she hit that stage, because you know,
that was a season where they had them like they
battled against each other in order for them to make
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it in, and so that was the seasons. Soon as
I saw her before myself, she's gonna win. I would
also say an honorable mention, not just because they're my friend,
but because they know that I'm I'm like one of
their biggest fans. Mayhem Miller always gonna always be Mayhem
is gonna always be one of my favorite queens.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
So what about you?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I think definitely a six one because especially it's my
heart for her queer wakening for me in some ways.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
She not to cut you off, but when she looked
at the camera, she says, I don't want to be here.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
She said, I think I don't belong here. I don't
belong here. Again, build a story and she earned that payoff. Yeah,
I'm a sadis fuck about it? I was, Yeah, right,
you have Michelle coming out here, but like, baby, what's wrong?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
She's like, baby, baby, what's pro?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, I'm not good for this and that and that
and then and listen, and I think to that moment
Michelle said I had to be queens. I am putting
their lives and she was and I and I lived,
but she was with them lives.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, Michelle was real mean to the dolls and the
earlier me to them show.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So yeah, Season six six, one of my favorite seasons
ever is when people ask me what season start watching,
I'm like season six and season four those the best one.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Season six is with what's her name?
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah? Whom again? Also fantastic. Probably the best comedy comedy
roles I've ever seen was that season just so funny.
All of them are so most of them are just
so good. I really loved the season that had I
think it was season eight, the one with Baba Dragon
Queen for sure.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah. I always think Bob was in the season nine.
I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I think season eight. And then there's the time All
Stars to top one of the tops ever, yes for sure,
like all the season revived All Stars.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
And that part.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yes, But I will also say that the name that
we shall not mention uh was should not have went home?
So is that the was she on the first one
or the second one? Which Chris sleep this Chris because
we can't say her name? Chandela?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
That was All Stars three and yes, should not have
went home?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yes, she should have won.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah she should. I agree, I agree, I agree, Okay, okay, y'all,
So now that we uh now now while we wait
for the angry emails from the Tarer Sanchez club for
not getting not us giving her flowers?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Tarra, what's your barbecue canceled? Y'all?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Grill fu, Yes, we have think a quick break, but
when we come back, we'll talk about what's on our
plate more in a sect. Okay, y'all, we are back
in for days. What's on your plate? I'm want to
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put on our best wigs and think what kind of
drag queen would you be? What's your name? What would
you be giving? Who's your audience? I want to know
all about who the who the about this girl is.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
So I've given this some thought, and the name I
came up with on the fly, but I have death
given this some time. So my drag name would be
Shanita Plate. Shanita Plate. It sounds exactly the way that
you think it sounds. I would be in La Teresa's house.
Even though I know that she doesn't have too many
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drag daughters, she only has one. I still would would
ask for Teres to be my drag mother, and I
would be the one I hate because I hate. So
when I say old dusty queen, I don't mean that
as a slur. What I mean by that is is
that I'm talking about the queens who who performed. If
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that makes sense like it wasn't. It's not just about
I want to be famous and I want to be
Instagram tiktokie, And I'm talking about the old queens who
like when I say dust, I'm talking about they use
pounds of makeup and you could when you gave them
a hug, they smelt like white diamonds.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
That's the kind of that is the old.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I want to be a older I want I want
to I want people to look at.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Me and see what's what was her name? Who put?
Who had the thing on her head?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Or nation vivacious?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
But yes, I want to give vivacious. I want to give.
I've been like, I've studied drag. I know drag. I
understand like the lexicon of what drag is supposed to be.
Like I'm not just doing it for fun. I'm doing
it because it's it's my career, it's my life. Like
I want, I want to be a studied queen. If
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that makes sense?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
What about you?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Okay? I live so I think so folks, Summer says now.
But I used to do drag when I was younger. Yes,
my name was, my name was Madame Jews, but it
was like jew like jw is Jewish. Okay, But I
don't love it much anymore. And I think if I
was a queen today, I think I'd be like I
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was like like today, when my my roommate says some
of them to me, I was like, I was like, oh,
it was like it was like misheard. And I was like, oh,
look name like miss heard. That's a cute name. Misheard
that you misheard. So I'll just roll that for now.
But I think my drag, my drag would be like
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I love a walk, I love a walk. My drag
would be she. The walk would be nasty, the walk
would be nasty. I think I think she she would
be giving lips, sinking, okay, performance she's I'm not trying
to do I'm not a not an assassin like I
can do moves. But I will give you power ballance
and bow the house down. Okay. I will give you
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Fie White with a mic in her hand and a wig.
Don't you don't you walk away from me?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I will give you Htney Houston, I will, but I
will also I will also give you Beyonce like I
can do it all, but I will lean in to
power ballads. She would be a girl. I would have
every wig, would be at least forty inches like I
would never I would and a lot of she's gonna
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have forty inches but downs every single toy.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Okay, it's a wig under a wig.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
If and and the fits. M hm girl, yes, captains, yeah,
you have me. They don't have me in the type
body says a girl don't have many corsets.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Captains, caf hans.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
She is giving, she's even rich aunto you. Okay, I'm
going to bed, that's what. Okay, I'm getting.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
You will have me?
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I am, I am, I'm looking. I am post on
in Miami right now.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yes, yes, I'm about to lay down on these beach chairs.
I know that's right, because you know what, honestly, that's
a good question. What would be like your you know,
like most queens kind of have something about them that
makes them like known, Like what like what would be
your your known thing? I'm thinking of mine as I'm
asking this question. I don't know what would be I.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Think I think I think it'd be like that dischwalks
in fasty like okay, so it's just your wal like
Namoy Campbell with a little hair to it, like I
think it'd be like this bitch walks nasty. And I
think for myself, I can do. I mean, can you
like already like a really pretty spin?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So I like, uh a little twirl and my forty yes, yes,
yes vision. I think I would also be known for
my hair, my different the hairdoos and things I'd probably
link up with Delta work, and I would be like
shout out to shout out to our girl Delta, because Delta.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
One thing.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You know, there's a lot of ship that people can
say about Delta, but the one thing that nobody can
ever take from that woman is that bitch can do
a wig.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Okay, she can.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
She can't design and do a wig like nobody else.
And I w I g oh, yes, yes, like I
want to give all of my I literally want to
give all of the credit to her work, because again,
rou would not be where Rou is if it wasn't
for her. I'm just saying out loud if we really
want to talk about it. But anyway, sale of that
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to say that, I genuinely think my hair would be
the thing that would probably be what people like, people
would come to the drag shows to wait to see
what kind of look I was gonna give with my hair.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
That probably it.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, Okay, Well with that being said, you could come
see Shanida Plate and Miss Herd live loud and in
color on Fridays down to the VIP.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
But with that being said, we're gonna take one more
break and when we get back, we're going to get
into y'all's favorite segment. Yes, ma'am, no man, Pam warn
a bit. All right, y'all, So this week we are
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well one. So I'll be very transparent and saying we
are pushing it because it has been a very long
week for both me and Jojo, and on top of that,
we have both had very long days. And so I
don't want y'alleeling like we're trying to short you. If
you recognize that that this episode is one of our
shorter ones, it's just because.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
I will pay gave you non sacrificing quality, right. We
just we just that's all.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
We just we we got to the meat of the show.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
And what we'll have more key keys and banters is
just I've been traveling a lot this week. Joho has
had a lot on their play and so this week
we said we're just gonna get in, give y'all a
really good show, and then we're gonna get back to
our lives because we are both very, very very tired.
But with that being said, we are still going to
give the flowers to those who deserve them. And so
this week I want to give a big, huge shout
(41:37):
out to my doll, Dominique Morgan and also to my
girl T. S. Madison for the Starter House. I think
it is absolutely fantastic what they are doing, what they've
been doing, the fact that they are continuing to thrive
and create things even when people don't support them and
don't give them the love and and and and and
(42:00):
the word I'm looking for here the upliftment, I guess
if that's the right word right. They've been very vocal
about how much trouble they've had to start this house,
and I just think it's really cool to see that
it actually happened and it's come to life. So shout
out to them, Shout out to the work they're doing,
shout out to the work they continue to do. I
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absolutely love and adore both of them and will continue
to speak their names in all of the rooms that
they're not in.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Let's make sure that we that we link and.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Will and will we'll definitely make sure that we have
linked to the Starter House, and also for those who
are listening and may have an extra dollar or two,
like right, so we're talking about being at a club
right now with the with the dolls and and you know,
being at a drag show. Do what you do at
a drag show, take some of those dollars out of
your bag and put them in the hands of black
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trans women who.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Are actually out here making a difference.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I will say this before I go on to my
Noma and Pam. I've been very vocal about this. There
are a lot and I think I take the number
from Franchesca Ramsey, but Jessica Ramsey says, you know, just
because people have a lot of numbers on their socials
and you know our quote unquote everywhere, doesn't mean that
they're doing good work. And I want to make that
very clear that there are a lot of people out
here who are very very out there.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I'm not trying to down no shade.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I'm just saying they're they're asking for money or they're
you're doing these different things and are not really doing
anything with the money that they've been given. T. S.
Madison and Dominique Morgan, I know personally are using that
money to put that money in other people's pockets to
make sure that they can live the life that they deserve.
And so I I cannot say enough. Please, if you
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have it, make sure that you're giving to the Starter
House to make sure that those girls have what they
need in order to live the life that they deserve.
Now onto the funny. So yesterday I tried to kill
myself and it's not funny. My no, man, Pam is tracking. Yes,
it is a trigger warning and you can actually probably
(44:00):
bleep that, Chris, so that way we don't get in
trouble for me saying that I uh that I k
I l led ed myself, but are unalive to myself.
I tried to unlive myself yesterday all jokes decided. It
is not funny, but I can laugh at it now.
So my nomn Pam is twofold. I, as you all know,
had a book tour. So by the time you hear this,
(44:23):
it'll be last week. So last week I had a
book tour. I had a bookstop in New York and
in the midst of trying to get home, our flight
got canceled. I think I may have said, did I
say this at the top of the show, or did
I mention this at all?
Speaker 3 (44:36):
No, okay to us?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Okay, Yeah, so at the top of the show, I
basically had mentioned to every to folks who are on
the production side of the show. I missed my flight
because Delta basically had We were on a runway for
the tarmac for an hour and a half because they
had basically gotten the lanes down to like one lane
and there was a lot of wind and so we
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can only fly out of one area of LaGuardia. So
that meant that we missed our leg coming back to
Orange County. Now, so we're stuck in minute, We're stuck
in Minnesota. We get a hotel, go through the you know,
go through the mojo of all of that. The next morning,
me and my husband are trying to like wrap up
(45:20):
our stuff and get out of the hotel to get
to the shuttle so that way we can get to
the airport. Now, I've been very transparent about this, so
that's why I don't care about sharing it on the MIC.
I take diabetes medicine, and the diabetes medicine bottle is white, Okay.
I also travel with my roeboxin because my roeboxin helps
(45:43):
my back in case my side or my sciatica kicks
up because of how much I'm sitting and how much
I'm moving and how much I'm carrying and all that. Right,
if you have sciatica, you already know anything can set
off your sciatica.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
One wrong move, sleeping wrong. Do you have siata?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (46:00):
No? Okay, God bless you, because if you don't, If
you don't have sciatica, you will never know what it's
like to live in a world where you can sneeze
or be startled and have your whole back go out.
That is literally the life that I leave. So both
of those bottles look exactly the same. They were in
(46:21):
the same carry all medicine thing that I had. So
as I'm rushing to take my medicine to like put
it in my bag, I opened the bottle and I
took three roboxins and I.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Said, like, literally, I'm said in it, And I said shit,
I was like, I think I just took three of
my muscle relaxers instead of three of my met foremans.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
And literally all the sirens started.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Going off of like I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die,
I'm gonna die. And so we had to call it. Yet,
so the story goes exactly the way you think it did.
We had to call nine one one, nine one one
had to come out. They pricked my finger, and they
do all this stuff to make sure I was good,
and I told them myself, I'm a big girl.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
I will be okay.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
I think that like, the most you can take is six,
so three was not going to harm me. There was
a moment when I got to the airport, though, where
I was like, oh, I'm not gonna make it like
he was like, because the doctor did say or the medicine.
The medical person was like, you're gonna be really sleepy.
And when I got to the airport and I got
past TSA baby the way, I wanted to lay down
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and that TSA and go to sleep like a baby.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
But I survived it. We got home. I'm safe and
everything is okay.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
But I just definitely want to say travel is my
noman PAM this week, because when you're rushing and you
have a lot going on, it makes it very hard
for you to think clearly. And yeah, so with that
being said, y'all please be careful if you have to
take medication. I just thought that was a funny story
to share. But anyway, what's yours this week?
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Ved?
Speaker 3 (48:00):
And I'm glad like you tried the k y s
the way I thought you did, so I'm glad it
was accidental, but girl.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, it's still sketch, yes man, Pam.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Just to my friend. I was gonna give a shout
out to my friend Devon. He's from the South and
he he he's gonna do what he's trying to do.
If y'all, if you're on SD, he's trying to do
a soul food Sunday on Sunday May fourth. It will
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(48:31):
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this sounds dope. And if you're on SD, listens an
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It's gonna be a belief like bomb ass time. I'm
trying to call myself, I may not be able to
work and now but what day is it? Sunday? May fourth? Oh, Okay,
(48:53):
some people may have come of car tickets and to
on your stand, but if you don't come through, pull up.
But no, man, Pam is gonna be the let us
ending with Belinda. Not because I'm mad Linda forgetting her bag,
but because why can't she taken porn chat with her?
She didn't know that man, and I am mad, I
am mad. No she she she don't slept with him,
(49:14):
and she was ready not and and like like she'
I'm glad she did that because that man is fine.
Like she was ready to start a business with him,
and then got money and she said, I'm gonna the
exact same, Yeah, I did to her. And I'm like,
like money money, she just all and I'm glad she
got to get her bad girl, get her bag, get
(49:35):
your bair.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I love that for you so much.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Yeah, acting is amazing, Please be on the show. But
I'm just saying, why can't she have said, hey, porn shot,
come with me, because she she was like, I have
the money to start a spa with me now and
be my director, Like take him out, take him. The
only one he was saying to stay is because he
had connections. You got money, now you're good. So I
was just like, why, But that's that's that's it, that's all.
(49:58):
That's all for me.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Okay, yeah, you know, and I wish we could sit
and we could really break down the White Lotus because
there was a lot of stuff that happened this season
that I was like, I don't know, I feel about this,
but it was still a great show.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
I enjoyed it. I think it ended the way it
probably should have ended.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
But I do agree that Belinda should feel a certain
type of way, or I feel like you have a
right to feel a certain type of way that Belinda
did Bornschi the same way that Jennifer Coolige's character did
Belinda at the end of season one. And so there's
a lot to be said around that, right, this idea
of how much we think we're and I think that's
(50:40):
ultimately what this season was trying to say, specifically thinking
about the family, right, and the old girl, you know,
crying about being with the monks.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Right.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
You want to be you want to be different, and
you want to prove that you're different until it's actually
time to show up and be different. And I thought
about that a lot this season, specifically, thinking about just
all of the ends and eye. But yeah, really good season,
really really good season. I'm here for it, all right, y'all. Well,
with that being said, please send us your thoughts, whether
it be about drag race or whether it be about
(51:09):
the White Lotus. We'd love to read it on the air.
You can send your emails to Blackfatfimpod at gmails dot com.
You can also send us your thoughts via social media
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using the handle at Black Fatfempod. Queen Jojo, where can
the doss find you?
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Per us? You can find me my loves at Jojo
Daniels across all the socials. Help me get someone followers, girl,
your bitch, Your bitch wants some damn brand deals, okay?
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Or my website Jordan Dane's dot com. And if not there,
you will find them on the April not traveling. And
if you see me, if you see me at an airport,
if you see me outside the confines of Los Angeles,
if if I'm going beyond there, bitch, someone slap in
the face, not too hard, right, like don't don't havent
the goods.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
But like, don't slack pinch me or something to pinch me?
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Black girl? Why how why are you outside if you
have a home, If you haven't find my friends, girl,
go home. Don't let me. Don't don't let me. Don't
let me get on a plane or take a long
road trip.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
This month of y'all on tire that has been that
one thing about me being your friend is that I
do check your locations, and I'm always so happy go home. Yes,
I'm so happy when I see that you're at the crib.
That makes me so happy because I do again, I
do know. I do be watching my assistant seeing where
she is, just so I can make sure I can
yell at you if you do. If you're doing too much.
(52:23):
As for me and my household, you can find me
over at ww dot doctor John Paul dot com. We
have I say this with love. We have added extra
some extra dates to the to the book tour, which
is a blessing because they are actually paid dates. There
are dates that I've been paid to actually go to,
so gay for that. But with that being said, we
have a couple of dates through uh April twenty eighth,
(52:46):
and then I'm pretty much off the entire month of
May until the end and so if you uh the
next date that I have by the time you hear this,
it'll still be time. I will be at Birdcage Books
in Austin, Texas this upcoming So this week, this week,
this upcoming Thursday, April seventeenth, I'll be at Birthcake Books
(53:07):
and Austin, So tell you, tell your friends, tell you Mama,
tell you Aunties. And then I will be jet setting
and heading over to Las Vegas and I'll be at
Analog Dope on the weekend for another talk. It's April
twentieth and it starts at four pm. So if you
want to come on down, come on down, if you
want to see where I will be and keep up
(53:28):
with me. All of my dates are on my website
ww dot doctor John paul dot com. You can also
find me on social at doctor John Paul. All right,
that it's been another episode. We want to thank our producer,
By Wang for handling all the logistics, and everyone over
at iHeartMedia for keeping us up and running. We are
now into season four quote unquote, it's it's it's nuts
(53:50):
to think that this little idea that I had has
grown into this whole kind of universe and I want
to say this on the air because I mean it
with every fiber in my body.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Joho.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
It is such a joy, and it is such a
pleasure every week to come to this mic and be
able to I'll say this before I give you your
full kudos. I was in a room today and it's
just it's so cool to be able to like think
about what we've done with this show and how much
(54:26):
time we've had with this show, and so I'm just
I'm every day I'm overwhelmed with joy of knowing that
I have such an amazing co host, that I have
such an amazing producer, Chris, we have such an amazing editor.
I know we shout you out every week, but you
are literally the most amazing and most creative editor that
we could ever have. And we know that the show
(54:47):
wouldn't be half of what it is if it wasn't
for both you and Bay. So again, I always wanted
to make sure you all get your credit because right
now everybody needs to know how important they are. But
that being said, stay black, fat, fim and fabulous, and
remember what, Joho.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
We may not be a cup of tea, but drink
some water. That's anyway.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Bitch.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
You need it anywhere. And can I just say this,
don't be drinking everybody. Oh, I gotta get my alkaline
water and all, no drink regular water. That alkaline water
will mess you up, so it'll throw off your pH
bounds if you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
All right, y'all, I love us for real. Take care,
See you next week by
The Black Fat Fem Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
and Doctor John Paul LLC.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of the Black duns
And Podcast, where all the intersections of identity on celebrates ed.
I am one of your hosts, Doctor John Paul. Uh,
you all know, I'm John Chaw. Y'all come here every
goddamn week, and I am happy to have my fat
ass back in my office chair in the state of California.
(00:28):
I was in New York City for one week, and
I don't know how y'all live like that. I don't,
I really, I really don't. My Lord, my God, the
concrete jungle, red cream to made us. I just I
don't know how y'all live like that. The sirens, the honking,
(00:48):
the rats, and y'all.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Just be moving through it. Y'all just be pushing through.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And you know, shout out to my dolls who lived there,
your friends of the show, my my new new so
known as Darrell. You know, there's a couple of other
folks that live out there that I love, my friend Brandon,
but that that ain't for me. That that'll never be
my journey. It's gonna take a lot of money to
get me to move to New York. But I just
(01:14):
wanted to say that. I just I got home yesterday
after some after fighting to get home.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I fought for my life to get home, y'all.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Missed my plane on missed my plane, had to spend
the night in Minneapolis with Prince, and then it had
to turn around and fly out, and then almost missed
my flight again. Delta, Delta was on something this week.
I don't know what's going on with these planes, but
Delta is definitely she's She's moving into the lane of
(01:42):
not being as dependable as as she once was. And
so yeah, mother, mother, Mother made it home by the
seat of her pants. But anyway, how are you, Jojo?
How you dealing it?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I just want to say the you know, the rats
in New York City are a different breed like we like.
I don't know what they put in them sewers, but
them rats out here looking like shutter.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yess who oh not sure.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Matt Master's splinter I think is the one. Yes comics, y'all,
fam it's your aka Joe, the other girl in this
co hosting duo, and I am wondering what are the
twenty four hours has in a day, yes, And are
they the same hours that we all have? That's wondering
because I do not think I have the same allotment sister, Like,
I don't know what she does or what magic crystal
(02:29):
she has for the multiverse, but I know how the
same pier she has. And it's rough, girl. I've been through, yeah, through,
I just I can't believe it anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I believe it, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
So I think the twenty four hours she has is
called assistants. She has money and I You have money,
and you have people you can like offload stuff too.
It makes it a lot easier for you to be
able to say, Okay, I'm gonna get this thing done.
I'm gonna focus on X, Y and Z.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
You can.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You can really afford to just be a creative because
you're not having to worry about your website, You're not
having to worry about responding to emails. You don't really
have to do any of that. You have people doing
it for you. Right. So that's that's the reason why
our twenty four hours don't look like her twenty four
hours because.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I feel like forty eight but they but they really
are only sixteen. Like what happens too. Okay, Well, yeah,
tell y'all, this episode is going to be all about
our favorite thing that we love to hate on and
hate to love. Drag Race is the finale is this week?
So and are still here? Segment I'm gonna ask you, John,
(03:31):
why is drag so special to you? Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I never talk about our first time scene drag before,
but we never really got into what makes drag so
important and special to us first?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And then I'll share Yes, come a girl, why yo
face look like Chuck?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Get ready two o'clock?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yes, get ready to clock? It was get ready to clock?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yes, you know, so I will you know as as
you've heard me say and I will continue to say,
all roads lead to drag Race. And I am happy
we're doing this episode because we've won it. We've we've
dabbled in drag Race, but we've never really devoted a
whole episode to drag and so I think it's gonna
be really exciting to be able to kind of just
get into that for this episode. So I hope y'all
(04:13):
buggling your seatbelt, y'all, get y'all get ready for some
drag Race fun. What I will say for me all
the things I love about Drag, I specifically love old Drag.
And what I mean by that is there is a
vast difference between Drag Race seasons one through four versus
the current stuff that we're seeing on the show now.
(04:35):
And it's not to say that that the new Drag
is not valuable or important, right. I want to make
that very clear because I think oftentimes when I talk
about this in public or in spaces with mixed company,
people think I'm trying to shade the new girls. That's
not what I'm trying to do. What I am saying
is is that I feel like drag has evolved, and yeay,
(04:57):
it has. I'm glad it has. But what I think
when I think about Drag, I think that there's a
specific energy the girls had in the earlier years of
drag versus the newer years of drag. Right, the older
years of drag, folks were very much devoted to the creativity,
and they were very much in this notion of I
want the world to know that I am a creative Right,
(05:19):
Whereas it feels like a lot of the dolls jump
into drag now because it's the thing to do. Right,
we have Drag Race we have all these iterations of
drag race, and so I'm wanting to make sure that
I make it very clear I'm not trying to shit
on the new girls.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
What I'm saying is old.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Drag for me is where the queens could make an
entire look out of two dollars and a stick of
gum and they made it work like they've worked that
two dollars that they had in their pocket, and they
gave performance. They would come to the stage, they would
performed the house down, boots, wig in hand, make makeup
(05:56):
not always right, you could always, but they but they
kind of paint it for the people in the back.
And then they would just turn around and they would
just give you such a good show. You leave there
feeling so full. And I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And maybe it's because I haven't mental drag show in
a while, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
If the dolls give that kind of drag now, it's
very there's this very subset of drag girls who do.
And so I'm a believer of like when drag is
done right, that's what makes me go, oh my god,
this is so special, right, I think about like laterrece
Rau's Natural Woman performance, dieter Riz singing this.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Will be when she hit or even thinking about what what?
What's the one? Who? Uh, I'm not joking, bitch, Coco
mont Trees.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
When she put her hand up to her to her
face and she she said, all the words in that
poll up duel song. That's that's that's the drag I
come here for. That's what I want. So yes, that
that's some good drag to me.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
What about you?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Says you know, I think you can make a good
point about the old dragon because back then, like like
they didn't paint, like, they didn't paint. I think now
when the girl's painting, they paint to like be pat
to like they paint to pass right right and like
bat then right like like the paint that they're giving
all drags that the paint you would say, like divine
do in like you know in like in like in
(07:11):
like John Watterson movies, like I mean, yeah, so much
that she was obviously made to be more like Carrier sure,
but like but butly like like you saw the elements
what drag was right like like it was high, it
was high eigh brac you had you had the extra
highlight on your face. You made sure that you you know,
the like the there was so much focus on like
being blended the way, but it is now right now
people want to have like like like the beat mug
(07:32):
and the mug is right and I love that, but
also like girl, like it's becoming too pretty into polished.
And I love your response so much because I always
sad about first man, I saw Dragon and obviously, as
people know, I'd showed this before, but Georgia Alana was
the first person that I saw and the first time
I went to a to an eighteen plus club four
queer nights, and it was amazing and to me, like
as a baby gate, it was so magical, magicular sea
(07:52):
performance like this because and for it to be so queer, right,
I remember she's saying oops did again by Britney Spears,
and I think it was the first time they got
to see that like it was okay to be this,
It was okay to be fam it was okay to
be queer, it was okay to perform like this, not
even just okay, but it was like revered and not
revered the way I stay right because today like everyone
(08:13):
knows drag race right, but like right, but like back
then it was it was like revered because it was
kintercultural and I lived and as I appreciate so much
that we've moved the needle on acceptance. Right, there's sometimes
a probab of me is like this was hours and
now it's like no longer just hours, and that makes
the haut for me, right, you know. And then like
you know, I've been about like what's what's so special
to me? I took that and at my community college,
(08:34):
I planned our first ever draft show on campus and
it's sixty plus year of a campus and it was
a smash success for three years and it ran and
I remember, I remember we had we had did one
like local queen come perform like a professional. And she
actually told me that she went to she went to
that she went to the same school and she said
she was like I was here a decade ago and
(08:55):
I tried my hardest to do a draft ship with
the administration not let me do it, and so like amazing,
like like aticular literation. She used to come back and
perform at that school. You know, Drag was community, drag
was unity. Drag was a celebration and it still is
all those things to me. You know, drag and drag
culture is the one of the backbones of queer communities
and from you. For years, it took the most courage
(09:17):
to perform trag and it still does some ways, but
especially like rural areas, but like it's much more embraced,
say than before, right, like you know, like now we're seeing,
we're seeing like straight men try drag just like try
it and no one understands. Rather, without drag literally would
not be here. We would not be still here without
without drag and the queens that came before us. Yes,
(09:40):
to me, it's important and special because like drag gave
me the blueprint to be who I who I am
today in all the most powerful ways.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, and I would often I would, I would, I
would say I would like to uplift the idea too,
that drag has been the thing that has helped a
lot of trans women figure out who they are, figure
out their aesthetic, figure out the way that they you know,
it really has given them the space to really understand.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Often like the dragon is often the runway, like yeah
intended right, Like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Trans non binary people have really figured themselves out through dragon.
So I definitely think it's important for us to give
snaps to that, and I would I would say, I
agree to so much of what you said in regards
to this notion of how it's not ours. And again
I I kind of I love, I do like the
idea that we've invited people in, but I also, you know,
(10:33):
I'm still big on this notion of challenging people to
think about why they like drag versus just this idea
of saying I like drag because it's fun.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
No, like what what else?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Because drag started out as a moment.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
For queer people to push protest.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, it was a protest, yeah, And so really thinking
about that, right, like not just being a part of
the culture, but really like you know, thinking about what
is it about drag that has helped me really understand
who I am and really understand the importance of like
there is no and I have to keep saying this,
there is no queer community without drag, period. So really
(11:11):
understanding that that that part. And so I'm so glad
that you asks this question. So, now that we have
thrown out all the dollars that we have, we are
going to take a break, and when we come back,
we're going to get into this week's category more in
to say, all right, y'all and we are black and
(11:36):
to kick off our main segment, our category is this week,
let's set some grounding for where the show is at now.
Now you've been keeping up with this season the drag race, right, okay?
And I hope that we don't give no spoilers away,
but will what I will do for folks is I
will put a marker in here for folks when I
when I upload the show and let folks know that
we are going to be talking drag race.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
So if you haven't been.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Keeping up and you don't want to get it spoiled,
you just fast forward, y'all.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
If you if you haven't watched this this the best
some of the supposte comes out will be finale week,
which means you wave past the lip single Lolla perusa.
If you haven't watched by then you know the top
fourst girl that's on you, that's on them.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Okay, points were made. I was still putting the point.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I will still put the we're not getting mailed for
talking about Jesus, why you spoiled the show for us?
So I did want to ask you, what do you
think of the top four.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Whose team are you on? I have my.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Thoughts, but I would love to know yours, and then
we'll go ahead and scurry on out.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Okay, first of all, sorry, Love, my nails look so cunty, bitch.
I'm just like, I'm gud. Then you ate this up?
She is have done when last night?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Okay, that's why they look I got yeah, my I
gotta go get mine done.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Probably in about a week. They got about another week a.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Week, it's like and then like by by by by
by week three this and they started keep becoming at clipingers
like girl you.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Got go ouch.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Okay, So talk four, I will say is mostly people
that I thought would be here. Say for Susie two,
I'm not gonna lie, I'm still a bit shocked that
she's not in the top four, but like, but I
also think, like I think she is so unique, Like
she is unique, but she.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Isn't unique kind of unique.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
She's got the kind of unique that like the show wants,
you know, unique as well to right love?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Can I answert a loving pause here?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Susie could have been in the top four, yes, but
she was very full of herself and kept thinking that
she didn't need the notes that people were trying to
give her, and the big note that Ruin Michelle kept
giving her all season was what change the makeup? Turned around?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Me turn it around.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
The big note this season was stop doing that. We're
done with the twenties. Okay, the Flopper era makeup. You
you did that for eight weeks. Stop give us something else.
(14:21):
And so when Michelle tells you to change it up
and you come out again with that same makeup, it's
time for you to go home.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
So also, like when Michelle tells you anything, listen to
Michelle like like she like she is the one. Like
she is, she's the She's like the pre entry, the
prerequisite for Rude to give, like for to give you back.
If she tells you make the change, she knows what
Rue wants. I know you're so right because when Michelle
locked her and was like I love that, Susie. You know,
(14:49):
feel that this is what you're going to perform. But
when she would leave the form, I was like, girl, okay,
say the girls. Okay, that's so fair. You're right, You're
right now. Anya. I knew Anya would be here. I
think she she's just so dynamic. Actually think she's a
full package, and I don't I will say I don't
think she's the most polished, but I think she is
(15:09):
a whole package because she doesn't try to be perfect, right,
like Rue actually hates that people don't think of the
Rue actually hates like perfection, which is why I Sam
Starr won't win because she's fantastic, She's stunning, she's like nudictively,
she's an amazing queens. But she's so perfect and I think, like, yes,
Sam stars like let down her, let down her, like
(15:31):
her like warbick and but like but but like Anya
came in like I'm gonna act up and out to
fool And I think that's the most really really great
you know. And I think and she I don't think
like Sam doesn't get doesn't get stupid the way that
Rue value. Yeah, LEXI, I love her so much and
I think she is incredible and I think she is
(15:53):
a like supreme case of saboteur, Like yeah, she like
I think like she really could and there are times
where there are times where I like she. I I
know why she didn't win as many challenges because she
was just like almost there right right, And I and
you and and I do think I do think maybe
(16:14):
they had her to a to a higher standard. And
and and I will I will like, I will like
think about that as like, especially especially with her being
a trans queen. Like, but she helped to hire her
than than than the other girls.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
You're asking some good questions, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And I was like, understand where her sebatory comes from,
right obviously to you. And I'm like, girl, like you
are dying, like you will. She like kept putting herself
against Susie, and I'm like, you two are not the same.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
We're gonna keep it a buck. Lexi, in my opinion,
is better than Susie.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I mean, am I wrong? Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I mean, this is the thing I'm gonna say this,
and and and this might be a hot take. I
can almost ignore the fact that a queen is not
quote unquote polished if they have a good personality. Yes,
And I feel like Susie did not give me this
notion of look past here because all of this is
(17:17):
so much more fun.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
That's what made me fall in love with Simone.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Let's be real here, right, Simone kind of had the
same look and aesthetic from the top to the bottom
of her season.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Let's let's keep it a buck right, there weren't. There
was not that much versatility.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
However, Simone had the it factor and that was the
thing that won the season for her, and so I
will say the same thing if Lexi was to win.
It is my opinion that I believe that Lexi does
have an IT factor. She's likable, she's fun to be around,
she can turn a room. She I don't know has
she has. She been in the bottom.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yet I think I think she lives saying for the win,
So I actually don't actually don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, either way, either way, I'm in the mind.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yet she does. I agree she has the IT factor,
but her only thing is that she tends her way
too much. Because she has done that, it would have
been in like a skyrocker for her, and then she
like really sad. And I also I hated the o'
clocker is so old because I she's thirty two years old. Okay,
the old, the old drag race. These girls were out
here in their forties.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Do not say fifties.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Thirty two is too old, right? You had chubble heids
out here until I had mess of Queen messively for
many reasons, Okay, same but like was out here in
her fifty fifties, you're not saying this, miss girls old.
Now speaking of the thing of the factor, I will
say jewels I love hands down. I would not be when,
I would not be mad if she won. I was,
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I am. I was surprised to see her it so far,
but now that I've seen her, I like.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
She To me, she is a whole Podcason.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I do think she lacks like a wee, like a
small bit of uniqueness, like for the like for the
for the first half, I was like, she's Georgia's too,
and okay, and she is like she pinks better, she
she's like, she's funny, like she is funny as fuck.
She's sure, she's like so shuit herself, like I think
she is amazing. But I do think like like Anya
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just has like sothing like like Anya, like Anya's in
factory is just a different in factor unless it's in
factor is a different doctor Sam's in fact, they all
they all have their own in factor. I think I'm
the most drawn to Anya's and jewels, but jewels, I'm like,
but I'm not mad she wins.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Sorry, I no, no, no to your point too, And this
is something that I've talked a lot about in various
different spaces, both on the mic and off. Could Anya
be a quote unquote heavily polished queen if she had
the money? And I think that's something that we also
have to talk about to right, Like, Anya has made
it very clear that drag is not her nine to
five that she has other that she has another job
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outside of doing drag, And so my question becomes, if
Anya was given the capital to be able to buy
in turn the the way that she wants to turn it,
could she be that it girl per Cerve. And that's
that's the thought that I have after last week's episode.
What I will say is is, too, I also find
that people tend to critique black queens way more and
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we talked we talked about this in our show, and
we've talked about it forever in the day, black queens
get critiqued harder than the other white queens, right And
not to say that this is the case for Anya,
I don't want to put that out there, But what
I'm saying is is that it's interesting to me that
you're not the first. And I'm not saying you're wrong.
I'm not saying that anybody is wrong by critiquing Anya.
But my question becomes, if Sam Starr have the same
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energy as Anya? Do you get where I'm going with this, right,
Like with I don't know, I don't know what point
I'm trying to make, but I'm just trying to say, like,
sometimes I feel like black queens get critiqued harder for
they're not polished enough. When I'm going, you're just kind
of mad that a lot of like like is Anya.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
A bad queen?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
No, I don't know, I hear, I hear what you're saying.
I think like for me, the Polish, the Polish is
that like we come to expect a level of like
of like blending and like like like the difference in
make up between her and the other queens to me
is a little bit different. Yea, and but but to
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your but to your point, right, it also could be
like the other girls are depending on lighter slash wider
faces and that's and that is more makeup is like
a may skin. To really interesting point, like, I I
only I only mean Polish in terms of makeup, not
in terms of like but I told but I think
you're abviously round like people will look at a black
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queen and say she's not as polished as a queen
in general, and like right like they'll say, oh, she's
not as like funny or exciting, and I'm like no,
but they actually know that they actually are actually Anya.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Like I like, I have yet to see Anya do
a challenge where I have not laughed yes, entire challenge
or have.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Been like a trance by her like everything she does,
like like like like when she said that that jazz
song she did a yeah, she when she cut up
as as Dorothy and the whiz a Like you can't
tell me that she has that she hasn't like deserved
every win.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
She's incredible, just talented.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
She just talented like she like like like like o
the you know other Chrismini is different talent, talent, She
has nerve, the talent, the charisma, and the neatness. She
has all the above and she especially has the talent
and especially has the nerve. The nerve for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Ye oh god, So I so I.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Want to ask you because this isn't we saw like
a few things that were different, and I every season,
I always like what would be different? What would not
be different? There's a few seasons where it's like very formulaic,
and so I'm curious, as she like, what components of
drag Race do you think work well? Still? What components
do you what components do you think that you wish
that they should do again, or.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Like yeah, cut, yeah, so I love the I will
say this, for me, my favorite will always be the
comedy challenges. I think anytime they do a comedy challenge,
whether it's the roast, whether it's them having to like
sell their own product, whether it's them having to be
like there were a couple of like hit or misses
this season for me, but anytime they were doing something
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related to having to rely on the comedy and the
comedic timing of each of the queens, I was literally
I was in the show.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I was in it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I am a big proponent of I've known they've they've
dropped this and older seats, I say older seasons, but
in seasons like I think it was like season ten.
I noticed a shift from the notion of them having
to know how to sew, and I see them going
back to it, but they're still not doing it as
much as they were doing it in the first few seasons.
The first few seasons, it kind of felt like every
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challenge in some capacity had an element of you have
to sew your own look for you to be able
to walk the runway. Even if you had a challenge
in that challenge, you didn't come to the challenge without,
you know, taking a moment to go, oh, we're doing
this thing tonight and I have to make something for
this look and then have to turn around and do this.
And again, maybe it is a production thing. I don't
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work on the World of Wonder. I've never worked I
don't know anyone who works with World of Wonder. I
don't know what production looks like from that. So maybe
that's why they've probably pulled back on the sewing challenges.
But I definitely have always been that girl that's been like,
I need my queens to know how to sew, or
at least know how to give the illusion that they
know how to sew. And then also like I just
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think that I don't know, I just I wish that
there were more. And again, I don't know where this falls.
I don't know where this show's up in the show,
but I just wish we had more time to get
to know the queens. I feel like in the years past.
Like I don't wanna say get to know, I just
I will say this. When Fifi O'Hara was on the show,
I knew that she was an asshole. And it wasn't
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that it was just what she was saying and doing.
It was like we knew there were there were like
the camera was intentional about building a story around her.
I don't know if any of the queens are getting
that anymore. Like I don't feel like there's you know
what I mean, Like I don't really know who these
queens are when the show is done, even though there
they've been with us for this amount of time, right,
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I still don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
We're gonna trauma so quickly. Like there's one Yeah, there
was one episode. I was like episode three or four
of this season and I was like, girl, we went
from like kicking to like literally like three girls are
having trauma dumps and I'm like, this is not this
is not breaking for me, girl, Like yeah, before you
just like talk about your horrible experience of life, right,
I was just.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Like, gooped, You're like, okay, I just might came in here,
and you.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Know, I think that point it also it also like
doesn't pay off like for the queen or that part
the show, right, Like this doesn't pay off. I'm not
saying like I'm not trying to say that like the
that like like like like you're like like you have
to earn the trauma. That what I'm saying. But but
in terms like storytelling, right, there is a payoff in storytelling,
and yeah, that has not paid off in the way
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it has in like other seasons.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, you're You're one hundred and ten percent
correct in that and saying that, And that's I think
that's the biggest critique that I would give is that
I don't know. And again, and like I said, I
think it might be because there are too many moving
pieces of the puzzle when we're thinking about what this
show is and what the show has become, that we
don't get a chance to know the queens.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But I just I feel like I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I'll be like I said, I some of them, I
don't even know their names, and then I'll know that
they'll they'll be gone and someone will reference them and
I have no clue who they are, Like I'm like.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Who who?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Like someone mentioned someone recently and they were like, how
did you feel about when so and so went home?
And I was like, who, Like, I don't, I don't know,
Like I only know really at this point, I only
really know the top four and I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And then maybe, and like.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I said, it could be that there's too many queens.
It could be there's too many episodes. Maybe they're doing
too much in the episodes. But I just wish that
we went back to a day where I really felt
like I knew the Queens when the show was done.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So what about you left?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Also bingmck untucked untucked in fact original, I am mad.
Also like now they sell it as a separate girl.
Yeah my part, you were paying enough, calm down, right.
I also I miss the challenges or the Queens would
be in the streets of Hollywood, like bring back them
in the holloway like because that because back then that
ship was dangerous for them. Yeah listen, yes, very today
(27:16):
people would love the Queens and like, I want to
see the Queen's out in the streets doing some wild ship.
Yeah I think. Yeah, I love I you know, I
love I love the I love the uh the uh.
I agree with you, like a Queen's no how so
like a queen's house. If you're girl, what are you
doing here? Why is you here? Every every season I'm
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like you, this show has been on for thirty thousand years,
has twenty and has fifty eleven seasons.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, across the world.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
You need to know how at the very least girl,
so a scene like you've got to do a scene
girl the top the three things that I say every season,
And if you are a fan, if you listen to
our show and.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
You are thinking about going on drag Race, doctor Higgins
is telling you these three things you need to know
how to do.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You need to take a comedy.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
You need to take some type of improv comedy something
or another. You've got to know how to improv. You've
got to learn how to sew. And you've got to
learn how to walk. A lot of these girls cannot walk.
They're cute, but they can't walk in them hills.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And that's.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
That too.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So I have a question for you now that we
don't questions back and forth. I guess if if you
were on drag Race thinking about us, we're gonna put
ourselves into the ring. Since we spent the whole pretty
much all of this segment talking shit about the other girls.
If you were to put yourself on drag Race, where
do you think you'd place. I'm not gonna have a
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hold you. I am sure I'd probably go home first
because I don't have too much ship slide and and and.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Then you know how they have to vote now vot
you have to go.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, they got that whole voting system now with the
which to anybody, if there is someone who listens to
this show from World World of Wonder, I want one
of them little lipsticks that say doctor John Paul. Somebody
is also please do yes, yes, get us some lipstick.
Is that Mabeline Anastocea Beverly here? Somebody please get us
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a lipstick.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
With our name on it. We need we we need that,
we need that.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
But yes, I would definitely go home because they vote
my big ass out.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Okay, I for sure think I make top six. I
would not be taught for Yeah, I wouldn't unfortunate any
one of those girls who doesn't who does not know
how so? But and don't come from me, y'all. If
I knew something, if I knew that I was on
drag Race, I had learned I get class I at
least know her to use the machine, which I do. Okay,
so I will not come out I'm not coming not
knowing nothing. But also I know how is the garment
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which I can sell A piece? I can sell peace girl,
I can sell the cloth. Really, yes, I am full.
I think I am full of charisma. You need this
nerve and talent.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Far you go far, would say, because you're very likable,
I will say to thank you like it's not I'm
not even not even waxing your car, Like you just
have such a beautiful and joyful energy to be around.
And I'm sure that that would exude through all of
the stuff. But like I said, I don't let none
of them girls slide, and they be really quick to vote.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And my confessionals, people with people would efessionals, they be like, girl,
this bitch is crazy and confessionals. Yeah, but I do
think snatch came with me would be my downfall.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I partially think maybe maybe I can do gener Coolidge. Maybe,
but like I really don't have like I do great characters,
feels of like building an character, Yeah, I do not.
I do not do. I'm not an impression of type
of girl. That's just not for me. Sash game happens,
she's gone.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Not you being like soon this snatch game happens, You're like, well,
let me pack this shit up because it's time to go.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Came. No, No, I won't. I can't even do it.
I won't survive. I won't survive.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
No, I think I'm gonna get that all. That's actually
that's it.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Okay, So okay, So my last question for you is,
so we discussed our favorite queens from this season. Yes,
what are your favorite seasons and the queen and queens
from those seasons or queens in general.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Okay, So for for me, I'm gonna say, of course,
season four, uh, person who wrote with the Ford of
my book, Why wouldn't I say Literes Royale. I would
also say season thirteen, uh, Simone from out the Gate
as soon as she hit that stage, because you know,
that was a season where they had them like they
battled against each other in order for them to make
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it in, and so that was the seasons. Soon as
I saw her before myself, she's gonna win. I would
also say an honorable mention, not just because they're my friend,
but because they know that I'm I'm like one of
their biggest fans. Mayhem Miller always gonna always be Mayhem
is gonna always be one of my favorite queens.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
So what about you?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I think definitely a six one because especially it's my
heart for her queer wakening for me in some ways.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
She not to cut you off, but when she looked
at the camera, she says, I don't want to be here.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
She said, I think I don't belong here. I don't
belong here. Again, build a story and she earned that payoff. Yeah,
I'm a sadis fuck about it? I was, Yeah, right,
you have Michelle coming out here, but like, baby, what's wrong?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
She's like, baby, baby, what's pro?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, I'm not good for this and that and that
and then and listen, and I think to that moment
Michelle said I had to be queens. I am putting
their lives and she was and I and I lived,
but she was with them lives.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, Michelle was real mean to the dolls and the
earlier me to them show.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So yeah, Season six six, one of my favorite seasons
ever is when people ask me what season start watching,
I'm like season six and season four those the best one.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Season six is with what's her name?
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah? Whom again? Also fantastic. Probably the best comedy comedy
roles I've ever seen was that season just so funny.
All of them are so most of them are just
so good. I really loved the season that had I
think it was season eight, the one with Baba Dragon
Queen for sure.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah. I always think Bob was in the season nine.
I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I think season eight. And then there's the time All
Stars to top one of the tops ever, yes for sure,
like all the season revived All Stars.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
And that part.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yes, But I will also say that the name that
we shall not mention uh was should not have went home?
So is that the was she on the first one
or the second one? Which Chris sleep this Chris because
we can't say her name? Chandela?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
That was All Stars three and yes, should not have
went home?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yes, she should have won.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah she should. I agree, I agree, I agree, Okay, okay, y'all,
So now that we uh now now while we wait
for the angry emails from the Tarer Sanchez club for
not getting not us giving her flowers?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Tarra, what's your barbecue canceled? Y'all?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Grill fu, Yes, we have think a quick break, but
when we come back, we'll talk about what's on our
plate more in a sect. Okay, y'all, we are back
in for days. What's on your plate? I'm want to
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put on our best wigs and think what kind of
drag queen would you be? What's your name? What would
you be giving? Who's your audience? I want to know
all about who the who the about this girl is.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
So I've given this some thought, and the name I
came up with on the fly, but I have death
given this some time. So my drag name would be
Shanita Plate. Shanita Plate. It sounds exactly the way that
you think it sounds. I would be in La Teresa's house.
Even though I know that she doesn't have too many
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drag daughters, she only has one. I still would would
ask for Teres to be my drag mother, and I
would be the one I hate because I hate. So
when I say old dusty queen, I don't mean that
as a slur. What I mean by that is is
that I'm talking about the queens who who performed. If
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that makes sense like it wasn't. It's not just about
I want to be famous and I want to be
Instagram tiktokie, And I'm talking about the old queens who
like when I say dust, I'm talking about they use
pounds of makeup and you could when you gave them
a hug, they smelt like white diamonds.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
That's the kind of that is the old.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I want to be a older I want I want
to I want people to look at.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Me and see what's what was her name? Who put?
Who had the thing on her head?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Or nation vivacious?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
But yes, I want to give vivacious. I want to give.
I've been like, I've studied drag. I know drag. I
understand like the lexicon of what drag is supposed to be.
Like I'm not just doing it for fun. I'm doing
it because it's it's my career, it's my life. Like
I want, I want to be a studied queen. If
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that makes sense?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
What about you?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Okay? I live so I think so folks, Summer says now.
But I used to do drag when I was younger. Yes,
my name was, my name was Madame Jews, but it
was like jew like jw is Jewish. Okay, But I
don't love it much anymore. And I think if I
was a queen today, I think I'd be like I
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was like like today, when my my roommate says some
of them to me, I was like, I was like, oh,
it was like it was like misheard. And I was like, oh,
look name like miss heard. That's a cute name. Misheard
that you misheard. So I'll just roll that for now.
But I think my drag, my drag would be like
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I love a walk, I love a walk. My drag
would be she. The walk would be nasty, the walk
would be nasty. I think I think she she would
be giving lips, sinking, okay, performance she's I'm not trying
to do I'm not a not an assassin like I
can do moves. But I will give you power ballance
and bow the house down. Okay. I will give you
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Fie White with a mic in her hand and a wig.
Don't you don't you walk away from me?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I will give you Htney Houston, I will, but I
will also I will also give you Beyonce like I
can do it all, but I will lean in to
power ballads. She would be a girl. I would have
every wig, would be at least forty inches like I
would never I would and a lot of she's gonna
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have forty inches but downs every single toy.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Okay, it's a wig under a wig.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
If and and the fits. M hm girl, yes, captains, yeah,
you have me. They don't have me in the type
body says a girl don't have many corsets.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Captains, caf hans.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
She is giving, she's even rich aunto you. Okay, I'm
going to bed, that's what. Okay, I'm getting.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
You will have me?
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I am, I am, I'm looking. I am post on
in Miami right now.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yes, yes, I'm about to lay down on these beach chairs.
I know that's right, because you know what, honestly, that's
a good question. What would be like your you know,
like most queens kind of have something about them that
makes them like known, Like what like what would be
your your known thing? I'm thinking of mine as I'm
asking this question. I don't know what would be I.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Think I think I think it'd be like that dischwalks
in fasty like okay, so it's just your wal like
Namoy Campbell with a little hair to it, like I
think it'd be like this bitch walks nasty. And I
think for myself, I can do. I mean, can you
like already like a really pretty spin?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So I like, uh a little twirl and my forty yes, yes,
yes vision. I think I would also be known for
my hair, my different the hairdoos and things I'd probably
link up with Delta work, and I would be like
shout out to shout out to our girl Delta, because Delta.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
One thing.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You know, there's a lot of ship that people can
say about Delta, but the one thing that nobody can
ever take from that woman is that bitch can do
a wig.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Okay, she can.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
She can't design and do a wig like nobody else.
And I w I g oh, yes, yes, like I
want to give all of my I literally want to
give all of the credit to her work, because again,
rou would not be where Rou is if it wasn't
for her. I'm just saying out loud if we really
want to talk about it. But anyway, sale of that
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to say that, I genuinely think my hair would be
the thing that would probably be what people like, people
would come to the drag shows to wait to see
what kind of look I was gonna give with my hair.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
That probably it.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, Okay, Well with that being said, you could come
see Shanida Plate and Miss Herd live loud and in
color on Fridays down to the VIP.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
But with that being said, we're gonna take one more
break and when we get back, we're going to get
into y'all's favorite segment. Yes, ma'am, no man, Pam warn
a bit. All right, y'all, So this week we are
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well one. So I'll be very transparent and saying we
are pushing it because it has been a very long
week for both me and Jojo, and on top of that,
we have both had very long days. And so I
don't want y'alleeling like we're trying to short you. If
you recognize that that this episode is one of our
shorter ones, it's just because.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
I will pay gave you non sacrificing quality, right. We
just we just that's all.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
We just we we got to the meat of the show.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
And what we'll have more key keys and banters is
just I've been traveling a lot this week. Joho has
had a lot on their play and so this week
we said we're just gonna get in, give y'all a
really good show, and then we're gonna get back to
our lives because we are both very, very very tired.
But with that being said, we are still going to
give the flowers to those who deserve them. And so
this week I want to give a big, huge shout
(41:37):
out to my doll, Dominique Morgan and also to my
girl T. S. Madison for the Starter House. I think
it is absolutely fantastic what they are doing, what they've
been doing, the fact that they are continuing to thrive
and create things even when people don't support them and
don't give them the love and and and and and
(42:00):
the word I'm looking for here the upliftment, I guess
if that's the right word right. They've been very vocal
about how much trouble they've had to start this house,
and I just think it's really cool to see that
it actually happened and it's come to life. So shout
out to them, Shout out to the work they're doing,
shout out to the work they continue to do. I
(42:20):
absolutely love and adore both of them and will continue
to speak their names in all of the rooms that
they're not in.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Let's make sure that we that we link and.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Will and will we'll definitely make sure that we have
linked to the Starter House, and also for those who
are listening and may have an extra dollar or two,
like right, so we're talking about being at a club
right now with the with the dolls and and you know,
being at a drag show. Do what you do at
a drag show, take some of those dollars out of
your bag and put them in the hands of black
(42:51):
trans women who.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Are actually out here making a difference.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I will say this before I go on to my
Noma and Pam. I've been very vocal about this. There
are a lot and I think I take the number
from Franchesca Ramsey, but Jessica Ramsey says, you know, just
because people have a lot of numbers on their socials
and you know our quote unquote everywhere, doesn't mean that
they're doing good work. And I want to make that
very clear that there are a lot of people out
here who are very very out there.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I'm not trying to down no shade.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I'm just saying they're they're asking for money or they're
you're doing these different things and are not really doing
anything with the money that they've been given. T. S.
Madison and Dominique Morgan, I know personally are using that
money to put that money in other people's pockets to
make sure that they can live the life that they deserve.
And so I I cannot say enough. Please, if you
(43:39):
have it, make sure that you're giving to the Starter
House to make sure that those girls have what they
need in order to live the life that they deserve.
Now onto the funny. So yesterday I tried to kill
myself and it's not funny. My no, man, Pam is tracking. Yes,
it is a trigger warning and you can actually probably
(44:00):
bleep that, Chris, so that way we don't get in
trouble for me saying that I uh that I k
I l led ed myself, but are unalive to myself.
I tried to unlive myself yesterday all jokes decided. It
is not funny, but I can laugh at it now.
So my nomn Pam is twofold. I, as you all know,
had a book tour. So by the time you hear this,
(44:23):
it'll be last week. So last week I had a
book tour. I had a bookstop in New York and
in the midst of trying to get home, our flight
got canceled. I think I may have said, did I
say this at the top of the show, or did
I mention this at all?
Speaker 3 (44:36):
No, okay to us?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Okay, Yeah, so at the top of the show, I
basically had mentioned to every to folks who are on
the production side of the show. I missed my flight
because Delta basically had We were on a runway for
the tarmac for an hour and a half because they
had basically gotten the lanes down to like one lane
and there was a lot of wind and so we
(44:59):
can only fly out of one area of LaGuardia. So
that meant that we missed our leg coming back to
Orange County. Now, so we're stuck in minute, We're stuck
in Minnesota. We get a hotel, go through the you know,
go through the mojo of all of that. The next morning,
me and my husband are trying to like wrap up
(45:20):
our stuff and get out of the hotel to get
to the shuttle so that way we can get to
the airport. Now, I've been very transparent about this, so
that's why I don't care about sharing it on the MIC.
I take diabetes medicine, and the diabetes medicine bottle is white, Okay.
I also travel with my roeboxin because my roeboxin helps
(45:43):
my back in case my side or my sciatica kicks
up because of how much I'm sitting and how much
I'm moving and how much I'm carrying and all that. Right,
if you have sciatica, you already know anything can set
off your sciatica.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
One wrong move, sleeping wrong. Do you have siata?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (46:00):
No? Okay, God bless you, because if you don't, If
you don't have sciatica, you will never know what it's
like to live in a world where you can sneeze
or be startled and have your whole back go out.
That is literally the life that I leave. So both
of those bottles look exactly the same. They were in
(46:21):
the same carry all medicine thing that I had. So
as I'm rushing to take my medicine to like put
it in my bag, I opened the bottle and I
took three roboxins and I.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Said, like, literally, I'm said in it, And I said shit,
I was like, I think I just took three of
my muscle relaxers instead of three of my met foremans.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
And literally all the sirens started.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Going off of like I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die,
I'm gonna die. And so we had to call it. Yet,
so the story goes exactly the way you think it did.
We had to call nine one one, nine one one
had to come out. They pricked my finger, and they
do all this stuff to make sure I was good,
and I told them myself, I'm a big girl.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
I will be okay.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
I think that like, the most you can take is six,
so three was not going to harm me. There was
a moment when I got to the airport, though, where
I was like, oh, I'm not gonna make it like
he was like, because the doctor did say or the medicine.
The medical person was like, you're gonna be really sleepy.
And when I got to the airport and I got
past TSA baby the way, I wanted to lay down
(47:33):
and that TSA and go to sleep like a baby.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
But I survived it. We got home. I'm safe and
everything is okay.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
But I just definitely want to say travel is my
noman PAM this week, because when you're rushing and you
have a lot going on, it makes it very hard
for you to think clearly. And yeah, so with that
being said, y'all please be careful if you have to
take medication. I just thought that was a funny story
to share. But anyway, what's yours this week?
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Ved?
Speaker 3 (48:00):
And I'm glad like you tried the k y s
the way I thought you did, so I'm glad it
was accidental, but girl.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, it's still sketch, yes man, Pam.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Just to my friend. I was gonna give a shout
out to my friend Devon. He's from the South and
he he he's gonna do what he's trying to do.
If y'all, if you're on SD, he's trying to do
a soul food Sunday on Sunday May fourth. It will
have some chicken and waffles, some good vies, mama promosas,
some good DJs, all all by back to black Entertainment
(48:31):
local you know, local, local business and black black queer ran,
so get into it. I'm not paying for this. I
just really wanted to shout out because I was like,
this sounds dope. And if you're on SD, listens an
SD or in LA won't want come through as well too.
It's gonna be a belief like bomb ass time. I'm
trying to call myself, I may not be able to
work and now but what day is it? Sunday? May fourth? Oh, Okay,
(48:53):
some people may have come of car tickets and to
on your stand, but if you don't come through, pull up.
But no, man, Pam is gonna be the let us
ending with Belinda. Not because I'm mad Linda forgetting her bag,
but because why can't she taken porn chat with her?
She didn't know that man, and I am mad, I
am mad. No she she she don't slept with him,
(49:14):
and she was ready not and and like like she'
I'm glad she did that because that man is fine.
Like she was ready to start a business with him,
and then got money and she said, I'm gonna the
exact same, Yeah, I did to her. And I'm like,
like money money, she just all and I'm glad she
got to get her bad girl, get her bag, get
(49:35):
your bair.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I love that for you so much.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Yeah, acting is amazing, Please be on the show. But
I'm just saying, why can't she have said, hey, porn shot,
come with me, because she she was like, I have
the money to start a spa with me now and
be my director, Like take him out, take him. The
only one he was saying to stay is because he
had connections. You got money, now you're good. So I
was just like, why, But that's that's that's it, that's all.
(49:58):
That's all for me.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Okay, yeah, you know, and I wish we could sit
and we could really break down the White Lotus because
there was a lot of stuff that happened this season
that I was like, I don't know, I feel about this,
but it was still a great show.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
I enjoyed it. I think it ended the way it
probably should have ended.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
But I do agree that Belinda should feel a certain
type of way, or I feel like you have a
right to feel a certain type of way that Belinda
did Bornschi the same way that Jennifer Coolige's character did
Belinda at the end of season one. And so there's
a lot to be said around that, right, this idea
of how much we think we're and I think that's
(50:40):
ultimately what this season was trying to say, specifically thinking
about the family, right, and the old girl, you know,
crying about being with the monks.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Right.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
You want to be you want to be different, and
you want to prove that you're different until it's actually
time to show up and be different. And I thought
about that a lot this season, specifically, thinking about just
all of the ends and eye. But yeah, really good season,
really really good season. I'm here for it, all right, y'all. Well,
with that being said, please send us your thoughts, whether
it be about drag race or whether it be about
(51:09):
the White Lotus. We'd love to read it on the air.
You can send your emails to Blackfatfimpod at gmails dot com.
You can also send us your thoughts via social media
by interacting with our posts on Instagram and Twitter by
using the handle at Black Fatfempod. Queen Jojo, where can
the doss find you?
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Per us? You can find me my loves at Jojo
Daniels across all the socials. Help me get someone followers, girl,
your bitch, Your bitch wants some damn brand deals, okay?
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Or my website Jordan Dane's dot com. And if not there,
you will find them on the April not traveling. And
if you see me, if you see me at an airport,
if you see me outside the confines of Los Angeles,
if if I'm going beyond there, bitch, someone slap in
the face, not too hard, right, like don't don't havent
the goods.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
But like, don't slack pinch me or something to pinch me?
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Black girl? Why how why are you outside if you
have a home, If you haven't find my friends, girl,
go home. Don't let me. Don't don't let me. Don't
let me get on a plane or take a long
road trip.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
This month of y'all on tire that has been that
one thing about me being your friend is that I
do check your locations, and I'm always so happy go home. Yes,
I'm so happy when I see that you're at the crib.
That makes me so happy because I do again, I
do know. I do be watching my assistant seeing where
she is, just so I can make sure I can
yell at you if you do. If you're doing too much.
(52:23):
As for me and my household, you can find me
over at ww dot doctor John Paul dot com. We
have I say this with love. We have added extra
some extra dates to the to the book tour, which
is a blessing because they are actually paid dates. There
are dates that I've been paid to actually go to,
so gay for that. But with that being said, we
have a couple of dates through uh April twenty eighth,
(52:46):
and then I'm pretty much off the entire month of
May until the end and so if you uh the
next date that I have by the time you hear this,
it'll still be time. I will be at Birdcage Books
in Austin, Texas this upcoming So this week, this week,
this upcoming Thursday, April seventeenth, I'll be at Birthcake Books
(53:07):
and Austin, So tell you, tell your friends, tell you Mama,
tell you Aunties. And then I will be jet setting
and heading over to Las Vegas and I'll be at
Analog Dope on the weekend for another talk. It's April
twentieth and it starts at four pm. So if you
want to come on down, come on down, if you
want to see where I will be and keep up
(53:28):
with me. All of my dates are on my website
ww dot doctor John paul dot com. You can also
find me on social at doctor John Paul. All right,
that it's been another episode. We want to thank our producer,
By Wang for handling all the logistics, and everyone over
at iHeartMedia for keeping us up and running. We are
now into season four quote unquote, it's it's it's nuts
(53:50):
to think that this little idea that I had has
grown into this whole kind of universe and I want
to say this on the air because I mean it
with every fiber in my body.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Joho.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
It is such a joy, and it is such a
pleasure every week to come to this mic and be
able to I'll say this before I give you your
full kudos. I was in a room today and it's
just it's so cool to be able to like think
about what we've done with this show and how much
(54:26):
time we've had with this show, and so I'm just
I'm every day I'm overwhelmed with joy of knowing that
I have such an amazing co host, that I have
such an amazing producer, Chris, we have such an amazing editor.
I know we shout you out every week, but you
are literally the most amazing and most creative editor that
we could ever have. And we know that the show
(54:47):
wouldn't be half of what it is if it wasn't
for both you and Bay. So again, I always wanted
to make sure you all get your credit because right
now everybody needs to know how important they are. But
that being said, stay black, fat, fim and fabulous, and
remember what, Joho.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
We may not be a cup of tea, but drink
some water. That's anyway.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Bitch.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
You need it anywhere. And can I just say this,
don't be drinking everybody. Oh, I gotta get my alkaline
water and all, no drink regular water. That alkaline water
will mess you up, so it'll throw off your pH
bounds if you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
All right, y'all, I love us for real. Take care,
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