July 22, 2025 • 57 mins
This week the BFF's are graced by the legendary Dashaun Wesley (Pose, Legendary) to talk ball culture, how to get your 10's and why it's important to know the history of ballroom before you use ballroom language. Now clock THAT tea.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Black Fat Felm Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
and Doctor Sean Paul LLC. Hey everyone, welcome to another
episode of the Black Siffm Podcast, for all the intersections
of a dnity are celebrated. I am one of your hosts,
John also known as Doctor John Paul, and I just
want to know what do I have to do to
get min It made to re release Frutopia. I mean,
(00:23):
all these companies are bringing stuff back. You could go.
I mean, you could go to the store and get
a zema you go, do you could do all this
stuffing you was doing in the nineties, But I can't
have no Frutopia Mini May What do I gotta do
to let you to allow you to let me sip
on a much simpler time? I just need to sip
on a much simpler time because this record. Do you
(00:48):
were you? Are you a person of a particular age?
Do you remember Frutopia?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Because you're I was like, who Forrutopia? I hate to
say it. I hate to saying us anant on the street.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Sorry to that girl, sorry to this. You don't even
know what azema is, do you you know? No? No, no, no,
you don't know what a is do you you don't
even remember when Dorino's was three D?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Huh girl? What you what?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Girl? You missed out? You missed out? You missed out, girl.
There was a time. No, so there was a time,
you know what. Okay, let me introduce our guests today.
They need I see them making me and they got
to get in on this conversation. We you know, someone
better call Moses to make him take us the freedom
(01:42):
because this week he had your girl on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm introducing myself.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
No, no, no, I'm introducing them because they got to
come in here because I need somebody who is a
person of a particular age. We have a special guest
in our hot seat. This person is know as the
King of Vogue. They are a legendary performer. They have
on Icon twenty eighteen. You can see them on poles.
You may have seen them on Legendary King Deshaun basket. Mother,
(02:09):
get in here.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Do you remember three D Doritos? Right?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah, I was having this conversation about three D Doritos
and zemas, and yes, I do remember three D Doritos.
It was like a pop in your mouth. It was crunchy,
it was a specific side.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It was a time. It was a time.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And then was the flavors. It was different flavors of
zema too.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Oh my gosh, yes, yes, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I used to sneak them. I wasn't supposed to be
drinking them, but I'm drinking anyway. I was like fifteen
and sixteen, and I'd be sitting on a zema thinking
I was drunk.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I had a couple of zebras.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
No, ain't no type of alcohol. None of the arbor
miss is arbor miss still around miss like seerra.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Miss No, Oh my god, no, no.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
All the black people drank it.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh the moscato, right, it was like a moscato.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, okay, okay, you know, you know, okay, go ahead, y'all.
Intro yourself.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I like, I'm like Mega Marco, but Oprah maybe silent
every silence they said, a racing silent you silent? Yes,
like a raisy girl, honestly, fam issue girl Jordan or
Jojo during it's not my checks and it's Pride week
here in San Diego and I am clawing for my
(03:39):
sandy ya.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
It's not busy.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And then you're like, wait, wasn't prime month in June. No,
I mean it was, but in CEO it's in July,
and then Black Pride is in August, so it's like
a whole quarter of pride, which you would think. So
it's gonna be our Pride thirty five in these streets.
But like prize celebrations for three months is exhausting, Like
I'm maybe I'm I'm to tire my rights away. I'm
kind of tired of it. And I do feel like
(04:03):
the devil is watching by every move. I feel his
eye twitching, his eye twitching, watched me right every corner.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Because girl, tell me why I lost two nails this week.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I lost one nail right right before we hit.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, I saw it.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I saw that.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Thankfully it looked. It looks sad. She looks lonely and sad.
And also what got me is that like like this
these are my actual nails. So this is also my
actual nail. So I don't know what happened. She had
a clean break thing, God, she had a clean break,
but she broken like she does a nasty lady. And
now I can't clap with his hand. It's not.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's not say I know this is this is not
this is a dinosaur. What is this is? Yes, yes,
but no.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
It's okay, devil. I will not go to that cold
dark knight.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You want the devil?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Look I cannot.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I got away, Yo, I don't already tell this is
gonna be a great episode today. Yes we are, Deshaun.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
We're so thrilled to have you here.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Words really, Krek cannot describe for your time today, like
literally like when you you have popped up, when you
popped into the room, I thought it was John so.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Something about saying some snarky ship and I saw your face.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I gas, I said, yeah, look you guys like wow,
I can't So we don't get pick up my show
we would do every week by giving a Sis Campbell
her flowers and now are still here segment and the
show that we're still here. We're gonna bring back today,
bring back the bitch track, bringing the bitch track today.
For those who don't know what a bitch track is,
(05:49):
just just a girl feeling herself popping her ship off
on somebody else laid on top on top of a
house beat. For example, Miss honey by Money.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Don't you hear me calling you?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I know you hear me that I be back miss Honey.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yes, so I want to ask y'all today, what's y'alls
his favorite bitch trap? I go first, John the Pasta
to you, Deshaun for me, So.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
What my favorite is? Miss Honey?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I obviously most people. I heard it during Pure Honey
with and that wast to it every week, especially when
I'm feeling mad somebody, I'm like, let me just let
me just play us real quick. But also I'm listening
to the song get Her by Ryan Commedy and Roxy.
It's just like it is. She is rude, she is
salty as hell. She said, hell damn she thought to
(06:44):
be like this, And I'm be on the stairs. I'll
push her down backwards. I'll push her down back stairs.
Carrol I said, that is a while. Push stairs, go off, Rocky,
push you down on that song get Her get g g.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
E T h u h yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I live.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
I live top bitches for me.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay, so you know I'm I'm gonna start here because
again I'm a girl of a particular age. I am
going to say that Maya's Moon Ring album whatever bitch,
you bet work?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh my god, hey.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Okay, you bet work. Literally that song made me gay
full stop like I U. I was queer as soon
as I heard that song because I was like, oh,
what is this? Like, what is the call and response?
Is she calling me? Oh? Cause I'm not taking my freak? Oh?
Speaker 5 (07:41):
I was that is a moment.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Moment I heard that song I had not heard before
a giant.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Played, I was like wait.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I was like, wait, Myerley is one of the girls.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yes, Maya has been one of the girls. She was
giving ballroom before ballroom was ballrooming in the popular kind
of the space. Like honestly, when when she would perform
that song during her set, I didn't know. I didn't
know it as ballroom at the time. And then I
saw Paris is burning and I made the connection and
I said, oh ship, but they were doing and that
(08:14):
song was voging. Okay, got it Maya.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Maya had a moment with that song and that track.
I remember her performing it.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I will also say so I recently saw it was
a TikTok slash. I go between TikTok and reals. Y'all
know that about me. Also, DJ Delice Detroit with Khadija,
that song is definitely in my I'm playing that song
a lot. I just it's such a cute song. And
I saw Baby voguing to it coming down to escalator
and I said, Mama, you got you got to give
(08:48):
the children what they came here for. You just I'm
just obsessed with that song. It's so cute. And then
an honorable mention for me is Shelley's Took the Night
four to three. None of these pictures like better better
than me.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Hand on me?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
When you put that that song, I haven't.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
I've been brought that ship since high school.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I have never noticed a bitch track song or even
a house music song because I think of those lyrics
once per week when I go out the time, I
welcome the cloud the hand on me and said no,
it looked good.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Shocking enough.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
That song sends so many memories back in memory laying
because performed that on America's Best Dance Crew that very song,
Shelley Took the Night.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
So we did that on a B d C.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
So it was so interesting to have that moment because
that was one of the songs before like when it
was hitting, and we took it in the audition and
made it on the show with that song, and so
it was pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah, that's one of those.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I love that.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Okay, I'm gonna take it to a moment as well
to another bit track and this goes back and this
is Sweet Pussy Pauline and it's called work This Pussy.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
Oh my gosh, yes, yes, yes, Now you have to look,
you have to listen to that, you know, with context,
you know, because she is explaining quite some explicit situations
that goes on.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
But baby, during that time when you heard that.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
In the club, but you know you hear certain you know,
lines that kind of exists right now to where like
even making this out using one of the songs where
she got one leg and a headboard and the other
one on the mattress. You hear this, lady's the same
thing as Sweet Pussy Pauline, and she one on the
head fan and the next one on top of the dresser.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Us.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
But it was such a moment during the time too,
so it was just a song. So Sweet Pussy paul
worked this.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Can you can you? Oh twelve years ago? Wow? Okay,
so I just googled it. Yeah, oh, twelve years ago
that song came out. Wow, what a moment. Okay, I'm
familiar with the I don't know know it, but I
definitely have heard it.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Go take a look at it as we pussy Polin
is called work this pussy's I can Tella that he
took a baby.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
She goes down to explaining again, listen to context.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
With context, Yes, contextualize text, contextualize. I think yes, I live. Well.
Now that we have officially got y'all ready to write
your own verse for a BFF fitch track, y'all, we
to a quick break me back with the Shawan and
Esa Ben.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
All right, y'all, so we are back with our categories
uh is segment and this week we are ready to
whack out some questions with our guest. To Sean and
people know you as the king of Vogue. Can you
take us to where you were before ballroom? What brought
you into.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Bene?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Sorry, I will say, well, you know, take us the
story time mother to tell us what has been your journey?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well, I mean it started very young for me.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I was born in Brooklyn, New York, in Brownsville, Brooklyn
born and raised.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I kind of was always around the dance culture.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
So I kind of learned, you know, the hip hop
dancing in the in the projects with my friends and
people around, and we used to go around and perform
every year as a group and a team against other
teams that was out there. But when I was younger,
there was always a friend who was like, you got
to take a trip down to the West Village. And
I'm like, what is the village? What is a West village?
And this is some some early years, y'all, some early years.
(12:38):
So you know, one day my friends was like, you know,
we're just going to take a trip out there and
go there after school. And I was like, okay, why not?
And I took a trip out there. And that's the
first kind of day I ever seen voguing. And this
is like the late nineties. Well I seen voguing and
I was just like, whoa, what is this? And we
followed this man who had a big boom boom box
(12:59):
and his name was dj Al and he walked all.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
The way down Christmas Street to the pier before it
was all.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Fixed up the where it is now, and he used
to play beats and the girls used to circle up
and they used to just voge it out. And I
sat here the very first day like, oh my god,
this is something I want to do.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
And I was fourteen.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I don't know what I was doing out after school,
but I was out there and I had agree At
fourteen child, I listened long stories, long stories you know
where you know, where the people who looked and act
like me didn't exist in your average everyday area. You
had to go somewhere in order to see and find
the folks who you familiarize yourself with.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And I found that in the West Village. And you know,
after school, I.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Would go to school and I would run to the
village and have my time out there so I can
make it all my time for curfew. So these are
the moments where you had, you know, these opportunities, and
that's how I learned it.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So from fourteen to now, I've been going child.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Wow, well and like just a fall.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I'm not like, what have the journey been like for you?
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Like like walk us, walk us through your history.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I mean generally like again, you know, you around the
family who have this Christian values, and you know, when
it comes to homosexuality is a different thing in different conversations.
So again I found my my chosen family when I
went to this area and I made friends and I
you know, we you know, stayed around each other. We
(14:27):
experience things with each other. We that our first flights
to different states together and again create this family. One
thing I could give a lot of thanks to it
to the dropping centers in the after school programs that
were allowing the youth and young adults to come and
have a good time, you know, stress feed free without
no violence, no you know, top of traumatizing experiences for them.
So you know this is h M I, which is
(14:49):
Patrick Martin Institute and g MHC. During these times you
can go to that dropping center so a specific time
and just sit there. They'll feed you that have programming
for you, resume building, job hun saying you know the uh,
there's a few things that was offered then. So these
are the experiences that help the majority of the folks
who you know during my time then were able to
(15:09):
get some of this access to services. So this kind
of like brought me to these dropping centers that after
school places to where they would do outreach at balls.
They would hand out condoms, hand out pamphlet information and
I would work as a pay educator and I used
to get into these balls for free in order to
part participate. So you want a history Rundown as one
(15:30):
of those I used to hand out condoms and once
the job was done, I'm at a ball for free,
and I'm able to participate and walk and have my
experience during those times where it wasn't even public to.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
The world yet.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
So yeah, that's incredible. Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Wow, that is so like like like like what a
great entry point to have, like like when the entry
through lenes of education and like getting actual proper education
and then also just like support of the community like
yourself while also being boyed to be in the community
like that.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Yes, that's incredble on. That does not happen in many places.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's like especially to your point in that like in
that in that time and that that that timeline of
the nineties in two thousands, So.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
It doesn't happen now, you know, because everybody has the
family is a much different compared to what it was
years ago.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
No, so true, a really really good point.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I remember your first seeing you featured in Taylor's w
TP song a Fuckingo by the way, and when I
saw I was like, oh wait, I need to know
who this man is.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Who is he?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And then seeing you host Legendary which also HBO in
the showback.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Or HBO Max Hbox to bring it back Police Show.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
I'm curious to ask you.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I mean and that like that was like especially during
like during the during the pandemically it was a lifeline.
It's like queer culture for me because I was accessing
it in my real life. So like I really want
to be like clear in saying like that show was
so transformative for some reasons and like give me so
much joy at the time of these enjoy around. So
thank you for being incredible hosts on it. I'm curious
to ask you, how do you feel like Bobroom has
(17:09):
changed with all of the all the attention has it's gotten,
like especially with the Kiki scene rising more and people
knowing more about ballroom. Do you feel like it's a
positive evolution? You think it'sthing we shall be concerned about,
you know. I like I hear folks like like talking
about like wanting to protect it from becoming too on
mass in that way, but also knowing feeling that it's
(17:31):
good that's getting this recognition. So curre's your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I would say, just like you know, uh, people who've
had experiences where things weren't kind of visualized or popularized
in their time, there was a different way of living
in experience and how it was then we've done nothing
but grow, and I myself, even when I was younger,
noticed that there's a growth that was happening within our
(17:58):
community that was either going to be maintained or get
lost out of control. Shockly enough, I always tell this
story about how we usually share DVDs, avhs, tapes and
enough of us to see ourselves participate. Back then, we
didn't have these YouTube platforms anything that you could just
(18:19):
upload really quick. But once we realized YouTube was a
place that we can upload quick clips to get to
see things quicker than we had to wait a whole
week or a month just to see of all that happened,
we started uploading our footage and not knowing that people
were actually watching us as we were uploading now with footage,
so you know, at the same time as we thought
we were just sharing amongst ourselves, we were sharing to
(18:41):
the world on the space that we didn't know that
they were actually watching us in many different ways, whether they.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Liked it or not.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And majority of.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
The social platforms helped this community grow to where it is,
So it's a good and a bad thing to where
we go with this, because now we have folks who
don't understand the real deal of knowing what it is
to actually walk up all And when I say that, yeah,
anybody can walk and it can participate. But you have
someone who's been dedicating their moments to want to do
(19:10):
something at this ball and even preparing, or they don't
have to finance the money, or they have the experience,
or you know, their every every average day is not
as as loving as you see it is on the
Cooks when you see them walking being celebrated. So a
lot of people put a lot into wanting to participate,
and sometimes that can get lost compared to someone who's
really talented and just had a free space to go through.
(19:32):
So the experiences can be quite different. But that's what
we love about the community because we open ourselves up
to anyone.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
So right now, we don't mind. You can be a
huge celebrity.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
If you come walking on this floor and you don't
do it in a proper way, you will get chopped too.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
We don't care who you are.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Get Yeah, you get chopped.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
But again, some people don't take the time to learn
and figure out what it is that we do, the
reason why we do it. They just love the a
good part about it. Some people get the celebration of
the good. Some people doesn't. I mean don't. But it
just sucks because you get this balance of having control
of it but not having control of everything.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Cannot Before I ask my next question, I was gonna
say yes, because I know that there are a lot
of and that's the reason why it's tbh, Like that's
part of the reason. I've heard people say you would
walk so good, and you do all this, And I
always tell people like, I didn't grow up with ballroom,
and I don't like, Yes, I know people in LA
who are a part of it, but I didn't grow
(20:32):
up with it, and I respect it so much to
where it's like I just my mind is I like
to look and I love to see folks do what
they need, you know, do what they do, you know
when they're walking. And that's that's enough for me to
respect it. I don't don't feel like I have a
place in it per se because I respect it so
much and I believe that you should grow up with
it and you should grow with it and you should
(20:54):
learn with it. But what I was going to say,
is do you know miss Josephine. Are you friends with her?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Oh, Josephine, We all know Josephine.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
If you can, if you could just send her my love.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I sure will, I sure will tell her. And I
love Josephine too. That lady is a burst of just
good energy. But she don't play about her stuff. Yes,
but she's always she's either good. Get her in a
good day, you get her in a bad day. I
love some Josephine.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, Josephine. I just wanted to say, like, shout out
to Josephine because she's one of these, but I was
gonna was gonna ask, you know, I wanted to stay
in this space for a minute because I think, and
we've talked about this a lot on the show, right,
this idea of that not all representation is good representation, right,
And oftentimes this idea too, of like representation, like you said,
(21:50):
having the show and folks knowing what ballroom is, that
is good for folks to know and to feel seen
and to feel valued, right, And so something I think
about a lot since the show went off the air,
and then you know, obviously since Poles went off the
air too, and I've seen a lot of people rewatching pose,
and I feel like now that we've had some time
and some space from when the show is actually running,
(22:12):
folks have been able to appreciate it in a different way.
I think for me, the thing I've been very cognitive
about is the ways in which entertainment kind of uses
us and then discards us when they feel like they've
squeeze the blood out of the turn up. And so
I guess the question that I have for you is,
you know, what can folks outside of ballroom culture do
(22:33):
to make sure that the legacies both in and outside
of ballroom aren't lost or overcommodified?
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Well interesting enough, you know one thing that I could
say about even just about a show like Legendary that
has came and going to show like Poles that has
coming gone. But one thing that we don't stop doing
is putting on shows. We always have an opportunity in
space to speak. We've been speaking even back then since
you know, Queen it's that documentary about the pageantry world
(23:02):
and you get to see the ideas creation of ballroom
and then you can.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
See Paris is burning.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
But then we also have opportunities to speak as well too,
like how do I look and Kikey in my house
and legendary and polls, and we have so many opportunities
to speak, and you know it's I just say, we're
just getting another opportunity for us to speak again because
we're in such a creative space in many different ways.
A lot of times people think about we had to
(23:29):
stop people from calling it the voking scene because it's
not the voging scene. It's the ballroom scene. I know
voguing is the most popular part about it, but you'll
see that quicker than anything. But we are the barroom community.
That's just the category within it. We're not the voging scene.
So we have to crackt a lot about it. So
majority of the time, if something is wrong with us,
(23:49):
I want you to know, our community is going to
speak no matter who it is, no matter what it is.
It's just like we have to stop the word when
it came to death drop, you know, yes so much, Yes,
the dim we have to correct the de terminology with it.
And just because someone's seen the video and decide to
call it something else and they thought that's what it was,
in competiti to our community is not.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
You know, what we say and we continue to go.
We don't stop.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So I said that to say, you know, at times
when we feel like our space is getting tossed somewhere
or getting lost, we kind of jump in to kind
of fix the the wrong that's happening, and we say
it publicly and we stand strong on it as well too,
on top of those that we know who support us
and know that we mean what we say, and we
say what we mean that that way we push forward
(24:35):
with that. Now, there's going to be many opportunities in
many moments that's going to be working for us to speak,
because there's a new generation that's creating even spaces that's
more amazing than what's existed then.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Now the key Key scene.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Is all over the world, just like barm is now too,
but Key Key is even more all over the world.
But it gives people of the opportunity to get their
practice a run before they hit the big dogs.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
You know, So folks hit the Keykey scene before they
hit the ballroom scene.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, is that what I'm hearing.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yes, it's more of a comfortable environment for people to
as long as the energy is there and you bring
out a category it states four, or you bring some
type of excitement or you know, that's the type where
you start in that kiki scene space because it's more easy,
Your environment is more you know, subtle compared to the
mainstream scene. Like if things go down, you're getting chopped
(25:25):
and they're reading you on the microphone and exits you
on your way, and it's a lot of things that
can happen.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
So that you know, that makes it makes a lot
of sense because San Diego is a pretty rising key
key scene. But I wouldn't say it's a it's a
big traditional scene. I know we get we have because
I I help run Black Pride and we we do
a ball every year for a Black Pride and so
which sean, if you're if you're around August A through tenth,
(25:52):
you should come and be happy to happy to hook
you up with it with a weekend pass. Here in
San Diego. We're having a ball story on Friday. But
our balls, I mean, like we we we attracted felks
from like hospital in Siaga, Miyakilu there, but like, but
those are folks who come from tractional houses and so
it's been different interesting to see because most of our
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people in San Diego are like our key house people
not and not you not traditional not.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Social ball roomhouses.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
And so it's interesting to see, like to see how
how we're growing in that way. But I think people
will often try to put them at odds of each other, right,
like Kiki as a as a new wave is against
the old wave. But like, but I love hearing the
like actually within the within the ballroom scene, that's that's
not the case, like sisters, they were sisters.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
It's just things that happened in the scene that just
gonna happen in mainstream, the same the mainstream that happens
in So it's like, you know, yeah, and if people
part of I'm a part of both, so it's it's there.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Okay, Oh well then you definitely should come down for it.
So ask someone I said, while she because guess who
just guess, just prepare.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Their nail this call.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
She's she's an artist, she's a she.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Think you think you tend icon legend, Come on now
and she will be chopped off this weekend. But for
this weekend she will she will be keeping it on. Okay,
So someone who performed across the country, nay, the world,
(27:38):
I want to ask you, what's the Boma experience coast
to coast, you know, east coast, west coast, from across
the pond, what's experienced, like, what's different? What's what? What
are people like?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
What like?
Speaker 6 (27:49):
What what do you experience?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
But when you're there, depending on what city, your region.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
You're in, Okay, when it comes to American ballroom, it
really depends on what area go to, what you're going
to experien It's you know, Atlanta is different from it
is in Chicago, which is different from you know, d
m V area, which is like you know, Washington, Baltimore
kind of area.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
You know, then you go to New York City, which
is different, which is different from California, which is different
from Texas now, which is different from now Portland is
now having balls as well too. They could have balls
but quite some time. But you know, now every area
has this different kind of feel. You know, you're not
going to get the same that you get in Portland
that you get in New York City, which is the
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mecca where BAUL has started, compared to the South where
you know, they're much different to how to handle ballroom.
But when you go overseas, it's even more different. But
it's it's I say, it's different, differ in such a
kind of like a three sixty kind of switch for
Borman in America because you know, ballman in America a
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lot of people before it became this public thing, it
was a lot of struggles. The reason why you walk
there was a lot of things that you went through
to the past and was the reason why you participated
on the floor.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So you can let all that energy out.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
You see folks now who who haven't been through that
same background, but they love ballroom the same way. So
it's a different kind of angle to where you understand
about how people are receiving ballroom when they didn't go
through house fights or house arguments or you know, all
this type of thing, but they still don't have this
love and attention to ballroom that they just really just
(29:29):
can't let go. And I was able to see that
in many different countries, just recently as I came back
to South Korea, which is booming in ballroom now. Yeah,
so it's like it's picking up people. It's houses are
out there. You know, I got my house out there
as well too, But houses out there they have their
(29:49):
own mainstream ballroom. They have the key key scene which
is now there. So it's it's really picked up and
it's getting bigger. So and a lot of folks don't
speak English there, so you're able to communicate with folks
in a ballroom.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Way without you know, so interesting, so interesting.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
So the dancing a language is really.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, dancing is a language. I know, that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Well, just just just like one more like like a
hot seat question and just you don't have to answer
you don't want to answer it. Do you have a
preference of vacation, no, foot ballroom?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Okay, no, because every every area gives you a different experience,
Like I can't when I have the same experience in Paris,
which I have a fabulous time in ballroom in Paris.
It's amazing out there. I don't expect to have the
same thing that they have in Sweden. They have a
scene out there as well too, so you know, but
their energy is much different and you get a different
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space of how people do think.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So is there a certain place you wish had a
scene that you don't know of?
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Uh see, I know they're trying to build the scene
up in Africa.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Some I know girls out here.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Her name is Destiny and Ninja she's traveled back and forth,
and you know, she's trying to start the community out there,
and we introduced them to you know, a lot of
the information about the Bone Coaches. So I know Destiny
and Ninja shout out going out there and you know,
supplying some information and make sure people do it right
if they go for it.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I know.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
It has been tapped on before, but I don't think
it has been like out the out there, So I
know they're working on.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
It, right. Yeah, they got on one of these days,
One of these days we have. Yeah, one of these days,
we're gonna have a full house out there.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
You never know. It's probably went out there already. We
just don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
But we see you South Africa. Okay, see you zimbab Wa.
All right, all right, Well, with that being said, while
I continue to scream one, two, three, now hold that
polls for me, we are going to take a quick
break to snatch trophies and feed the children. We'll be
back in just a second.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Okay, y'all, we are back with what's popping. And as
we all know, many phrases or actions that we do
such as storing shakee clock of the tea et cetera.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Come from ballroom. Since we have the king here.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Today, I want to ask you to Shaun and John,
what's the things that you feel people have bit in
from the ballroom? What can they keep and what do
you want them to give back.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I'm sorry, you can't have it all. You can't columbus
it all. I know you believe in gate keeping.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
I'm gonna hold you.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I believe in gatekeeping in you know, in some ways.
And for me it's a figure clapping. I cannot.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Buss.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Blessed, blessed this, bless this girl's soul. When I was shopping,
I was shopping, Okay, I got.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Really cute little cloths that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You see what I did that clock to see.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
This period this little ten year old girl, bless her soul.
She was she's she's like, I love your ring.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Out of the ring.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
And then and then she was like cloth that tea
or cloth that tea. And I was like, I was like,
she's ten, Like I won't drag her for this, but
like she should know that's not what she don't mean.
She should make me and I appreciate her trying to
be affirming for me. I love that she's trying to
be like cute and sweetened. I love that she's ten
years old and she's given to me and her mom
is like, yes, clean blah blah blah. But also was like, girl,
(33:36):
cloth that this is not like cloth that tea and
are different things like like.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Then and then really quick what it means? It means? No, girl,
sure exactly what it means.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
You gotta you gotta break it down because they knew
the information to start saying it.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
So let me break it down for you to correct them.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
Home, girl, you got you're right.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
You're right with you when you write.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I should have I should because I like but like butterally,
I'm like like like y'all like, can we can we
tell that for us please? Like I like like I like,
I I don't know what some people, but I I
learned this watching you and I'm legendary. Like the second
she was at this, I said, I get it. I
know this is I know this means.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
They were doing it before me.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
They were doing it way before I even started even
doing this publicly in this space to have the opportunity.
But that's just the vibe, like we have many other things.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And I have took it, and I took it and
Maretha like, I like, I I have not clapped in
probably three years. I am not I'm not Palm's girl.
And I love you at work because people at work
are like, is he ben dis no girl like like like,
it's just me being with it. So it was I
(34:59):
I want to get I'm gate keeping the finger clap.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Yeah, I'm curious about y'all.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Okay, yeah, you know so I definitely I think the
finger clapping I see, I see the white dolls do it,
and it bugs me. But it probably doesn't bug me
and I don't know, and I need to probably process
this out with my therapist. I don't know. But hearing
the white girls, and I say white girls, what I
mean is by the white gays and the the other
dolls who are not a part of our community. This
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whole notion of serving pussy serving cut that bugs me.
I don't know why, but something in my spirit is
always a little like off kelter. When I hear the
white dolls be like, oh, she's serving pussy, she's serving
compan It's like, no, baby, you're serving Christopher Columbus and
colonialty like that, that's what you're serving. You're not serving
(35:49):
what you think you're serving when you say you're serving
pussy or cut. And I understand it. I know it's
a trans thing, and I know that there are trans
women who utilize it and within you know, circles and
spears and things. But I just I think think there's
something to be said about the ways that folks only
only take our language and and and and want to
(36:10):
feel connected to us through our language without actually wanting
to feel connected to us. And I think that's the
thing that really, you know what I mean, like I
because I'm that girl, I'll browse through a girl's instagram
and if I notice that you're in a whole bunch
of queer spaces and you have no black people in
your space, but yet you're constantly you know, clock that
tea girl, Oh I'm serving pussy, I'm serving cup, but
(36:30):
you have no black and queer people around you. That
means you're just you're doing exactly what other you know,
what we as black people have been saying for years.
You want the culture, but you don't want us. And
I think that's.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
The thing, because it's like the real honesty, you know,
conversation with it is that that word can have two
different meanings and.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Not of space.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
So if someone true voting in it looking really feminine,
they can be stepping pussy, serving cunt because they're feminine.
They're given that essence or we as we have this
category which is realness, which has been another controversial topic
within this space now, is that when someone a servant pussy,
a serving cunt, like you can't really spook up an
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tell you can't really see what's going on there. Walk
in this realness category's unclockable. So they're serving pussy, they're
a serving cunt. You know, this is what they're giving you,
no matter if they're sexy or not. They're just giving
you this realness space about it. But to step on
top of that, another thing is realness that word as
well too, because when I see people go around to.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Oh my god, that is given handbag realness. What the
hell is a handbag realness?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
What is a handbag realness? What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yes, so that's what is.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Grind My vogue so tremendous.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
All just took it a completely different spaces to the everybody,
Oh my god, you're serving me hardcore realness. I don't
know what that is because in our space, we don't it's.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Just like the Justin Bieber of it. All Right, I'm
standing on business.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Are you clocking?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Are you clockings? Are you clocking it right now? But
I'm standing on business. Maybe you just you're just utilizing
a whole bunch of black euphemisms that you have no
idea what they mean.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Well, just like I said on TikTok just recently and
if you go check it out, TikTok made a whole
video and posted for themselves about like the word clocking
and what it really means. Because if you're clocking something,
that means you just received some information, that you got
some tea and you're spilling it, or you just caught
it and you want somebody else to catch it too,
clock that that's the tea you're clocking. So I'm just
confused as how yeah, yeah, like how people use in
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the context.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But whatever, no shame.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
I love a handbag.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Let me love handbag on this.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Now serving hand it's it's a key kid.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Yeah, but now handbag, you use it and a joke,
it makes sense, But to tell somebody the serving handbag
is just confusing to me.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna name our episode one thing,
but I definitely am going to name it. She's serving
handbag realness and realness what that means?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Right, But what is is?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
You know?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I feel like I'm like, I love you, like giving
it like giving the TV a clock. I was like,
honestly like, we need we need to do like a
we need to do like a like a very like
fun like information type video where it's like, how do
you clock the tea?
Speaker 6 (39:47):
What's the tea that you're clocking?
Speaker 5 (39:48):
How? How?
Speaker 6 (39:49):
How how does it clock?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
The stribute the t girl Like someone just said, give us,
like give the people a full breakdown a tutorial me
make you realize, or y'all just stop using it.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
You can put it or we can put it behind
a paywall and have people pay for it.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
That's the other part again. I'm I'm prog.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Not everybody to be at the cookout, telling stop and
your mama's cousins, uncles, auntie to the cookout. We don't
know her, we don't like her. She ain't never cooked nothing,
and she always taking food without bringing anything. Like, not
everybody the cookout, okay.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
And also people like like like this is also different
than this, and people, what's the question I have? Don't
see the difference between this and this.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
You don't be realizing it between what.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
This. I see people doing this and then I see
people doing this.
Speaker 9 (40:44):
You no, like like I see this without the like
like like justice, like yes girl, yes girl, like like
like I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yes, like people are just like this.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
It's sort of like there you it all utilizing this
kind of fingertap the situation. Usually we had this here, like,
regardless of how we use it, this means the same thing.
It means the same thing no matter how you use
Some people could be doing this here. Some people could
do it here. This is I usually just because again
the more you just say, the more feminine you are,
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the more like this here can be it to somebody
that's like, all right, you're doing that, you know, all right,
yeah that's cool. But again, this us a kind of
like when someone's doing this to you, that means like
you're kind of eating it and serving it up. So
somebody doing it. I can't even talk.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Someone did that to me the other day when I
was walked through the airport, so I was like, I
was like, I hope someone's good.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Now now again you can catch some information and see
a girl that you can see it and you're like.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Oh you ate that as they're walking away.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
You know, again, it depends on the context that you
use it as well too, and how how it makes sense.
But again, these moments, if you know, you see somebody
serving on the floor, you like, work, bitch, or you
know some people do the thing or somebody just shake
it like that, but against somebody's eating, you want them
to know you ate, okay, work work.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I hate that.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
You're communications nonverable and we lead into noble communication.
Speaker 6 (42:15):
That's the ship I live for.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Give me, give me body language, girl, What does the
body say?
Speaker 6 (42:20):
What is the body saying?
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I just I love us the boom scene. We read
each other too much and we use a lot of gestures.
So that's why I kind of help out a lot
of the time.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
See what the girl doing.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
But sometimes you gotta say nothing.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
It's gonna be like, now, I didn't say you were ugly.
I just what a mother said. Paris is birdish. I
don't have to tell you you're ugly, but you but
you know.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
You.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Know that's you know, yeah, screaming said that or who
was it that?
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Corey Corey Corey said it and set that down.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Sorry, no, but Crystal A vision was like, where's Sabrina.
I'll sue the bitcha where is Sabria?
Speaker 6 (43:11):
Do I won't find Sabrina? Where is Sabrina?
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (43:19):
Yes, Okay, listeners.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Now that we officially clothed that tea for y'all, we
gonna say one more break and come back with you'all
favorite segment.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
It's Femine no man PAMs. Back in just a bit.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
All right, y'all, So we are back with y'all's favorite segment,
Yes ma'am and No Man Pam. This is the segment
where we usually give people their flowers or we throw
them at them, and this week I want to give
my yes ma'am to uh the young So it's actually
not one person. It is a group of young men.
I don't know their names, but I did see it.
I saw them on reels, which led me to their TikTok,
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and then it led me to a whole bunch of
other things. They've gotten some coverage on NBC News. They've
started what they're calling this black Boy Joy movement. It's
a group of college kids who ultimately college young men
who basically have noted that black men and they do everything.
They've done dog yoga, they when did put puppy yoga,
they've done some other stuff, they've done piloties together. But
(44:18):
they're just really trying to create kind of this movement
of the things that young black men are not told
they're able to do. They're creating and encouraging space for them,
and so I just thought that was really sweet, especially
in a time where I feel like black specifically black
cys men don't get the opportunity to really kind of
engage their joy and the way that they want, and
(44:38):
we're seeing different systems try to take that joy away
from them. I just thought it was really really genius
and really really sweet that we're seeing young men ultimately
tell other black men, black transmen, whatever. And that's basically
what they said. They said, it's an extremely inclusive idea
idea they want everybody to just be happy and to
find whatever makes them happy and to take whatever space
(44:58):
they feel like they need to do that. So I
definitely want to give them a shout out my nomn PAM.
So I will say this. By the time you hear this,
it'll be about will be a couple of days out.
I went to a screening of I Know What You
Did Last Summer last night, and so really it was
a really, really really good film. I won't I can't.
(45:20):
Technically I can't. I don't want Glad to come after me.
I was invited went and it was just something I
noticed while I was there. There were people who knew
people or people that I even knew, and they were
acting in a way as if they couldn't say hello,
or if they were just very much kind of giving
the oh, I'm with my girls. I don't really see
(45:42):
it for you that way, so I'm not going to
say anything. And it really just struck a chord with
me and the idea of like this is like like
my my nomammory to I just basically had put for
my notes mean girls in the industry. And what I
mean by that is the girls and the dolls who
you know are doing and saying whatever they can to
other people to try to dim your light. I want
(46:04):
to remind you. And this is a great example because
by the time you also hear this, it will be
a couple of days out too. There's a whole conversation
right now happening around Nicki Minaj and what Nicki Minaj
is doing to the other rap girlies. And I just
want to say, like, there there's no joy, there's no
great nothing great comes from you tearing other people down.
(46:24):
There's no greatness that comes in you not acknowledging the
talent and the smartness and the you know, the funniness
or you know whatever of someone right like me, Like me,
I'll say this like Deshaun coming for Twiggy. But what's
the point, right? You know what I mean? Like, I
know y'all both are in the same space. Why what's
(46:44):
the point of that? Y'all lift each other up? Right?
And so that that's the thing I live in and
I just don't understand it. I'll never comprehend it. And
So if you are that girl that's listening, and you
are one of those girls who likes to fester, you
know whatever, energy, meanness, nastiness in different spaces, I just
want you to know you have no place here. Like
(47:05):
this is not a podcast for you. I'm not the
girl for you. Joe's not the girl for you. Black
Fat Fem is not the podcast for you. I really
want us to encourage each other, especially right now, because
like I said, they are coming for all of us
and we literally need to be a united front. And
so I know that was very petty but at the
same time or very very small, but I just felt
(47:26):
like I just really wanted to say that this week
of like my no ma'm as me and girls in
the industry, it's just it really gets under my skin.
So joho, what are your thoughts baby?
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Well? And that's just like I first want to say,
like I never want I never want to participate in
in tearing down, like tearing down like like another black
person ever in life publicly help we gather a girl.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Know that's right, come on in and sit out so
we get checked.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Let's let's let me publicly call me out and I
tear them down because because because because the other the
day to your point, I know, we exists in the
world where they're looking for every day as the you know,
the the operative day as the right the government looking
for every be to me, they have to to tear
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us down and divide us.
Speaker 6 (48:21):
And like and I I one, I refuse out to
fool in front white folks.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
I also refuse to like participated dot slander in front
of them because it will it will only harm us
more and so I like I hear you and that
and also having peopore mean girls because because I'm like,
we can just be better people. My yes ma'am is
going to be in advanced Yes ma'am to our.
Speaker 6 (48:43):
Tour to our good sister cal Willist, who is in
front of the show.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
They are actually today they are the keynote speaker for
our rally on Friday we're seeing for Pride. So I
haven't seen her yet. By but times comes out, I
will have seen her speaking. I'm very excited to see
her speak August eighth. No no, no, no no no, sorry, no
sorry this weekend for a since.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Okay, because I was gonna say, I think I'm gonna
make my way down there on the eighth for as you.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Should please and thank you for Black Pride gets Black
ste Pride is this weekend and the eighth is our
som rally will cover. This is a speaker and I
just I love they got her. I'm praying I can
kind of way to meet her officially and say like,
hey girl.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Have her phone number? Happened?
Speaker 3 (49:27):
I loved it.
Speaker 6 (49:28):
I also love her to time to sign my book.
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Butually she is like just amazing, and I'm thankful that pride.
How's her to speak? So yes, I think of that.
My nomad Pam is just I'm gonna reup on the
people who are wearing the Protect the Dolls t shirt
if you aren't actually do anything for the dolls, like
I just I just like, like, I really I appreciate
why you, like, I mean, I mean like like, I
(49:54):
just I want to see you doing stuff for the
dolls and not just wearing the shirt, like like where
the shirt is fine, but spending with the dolls as
well too, because like, because the dolls are still dying,
you aren't protecting them a doll. So I just want
to be mindful of like if you wear the shirt y'all, like,
especially because I've just been seeing so many, so many
white days wear the weather shirt and I'm like, okay,
but you're like I saw so got me. It was
(50:16):
it was a guy of gaze for them.
Speaker 6 (50:17):
All the way in the shirt. But guess what was
missing from that picture a doll?
Speaker 2 (50:22):
So I was like, so you have the doll, but
you got one doll in the like in the thing
with you, So like, how are you proteting the dolls?
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Girl?
Speaker 6 (50:30):
Like make it make sense.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
So I just have I have questions, you know, and
again like I won't send you in public, but I
will do DM. You probably can say, girl, what was that?
Speaker 6 (50:38):
Where are the dolls that you're trying to protect.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
It's just no man pam to those folks who don't like,
who don't get the actual point of the message and
don't do what the message is saying to do.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
I need, I need, I need us to do better.
You very much the shot. How about you boo?
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Hmmm, Well, my guest man will go to Hope. Giselle.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
She's a woman who speakings spaces that a lot of
folks don't have voices speaking. She's making sure rights are
being you know, fulfilled and the best way possible to
our girls, our dolls, and making sure voice is being heard.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
I just support her.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
Had an opportunity to meet her one time, and I
still support her in every you know space that she's
trying to like tackle down because baby, she's informing me
about things that I didn't even know.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
So it's just I support my once up goes to her.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Definitely a transgirl in the space, a black trans woman's
making sure things are getting done. So I support that woman.
Keep doing your thing day. Shawn's behind you. A hundred
tempers of baby my no, man Pam.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
I don't have really much of no man Pam because
it's something not working on my space. I'm gonna know,
man pamit been in there, so.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Mother said, I'm not waiting, yeah, right then and there.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
But if I was to say anything, I'm gonna know,
man Pam. Those folks who don't give their self enough
space to understand who they are, you know, and understanding
living in such an interesting world right now, interesting space,
but like you have to understand who you are, what
you like, how you like to move, what you like
(52:18):
to do, a lot of people don't take care of
theirselves more than they take care of others. So got
to kind of flip that mirror back and make sure
that you're okay before you make sure somebody else is.
So for you not taking care of yourself, baby, take
care of yourself and then you can take.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Care of other.
Speaker 5 (52:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
I think that's a great sentiment of what I think
what you embody, Deshaun, is this idea too of like,
you know, queer culture and specifically black queer culture and
house culture and all of that has been very much
kind of like we give to one another. We give
to one another, and we support one another, and we
uplift one another and we give each other space. But
I think I've seen some people that I know for
(52:58):
a fact who are in these spaces, give so much
of themselves that at the end of the day they
have nothing left. And I think there's something to be
said in this time too, of like being Okay, this
is like the second or third message God, I hear you. Okay,
you've been very very loud this week. I hear you.
I think this is, you know, a sentiment of we
(53:19):
we as queer people, we as black where people, we
can't always be taking care of everybody else and not
taking care of ourselves. And so I appreciate that you
said that because it's so it's timely. It's way more
timely than you may know. And so again that word
you just shared, I hear it because I know that
the universe is usually you did remind me of it
(53:40):
as well. So I just want you to know that
the word is heard. All right there. With that big said,
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(54:02):
All the dolls find you?
Speaker 4 (54:05):
On every platform at Dave Sean Wesley every platform day
Sean Wesley, you ain't gonna miss it.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
I know that's right, and I am very much Just again,
thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, just so
from the bottom of my my, my tubby little heart,
thank you for being on this week a blast. I
had a blast. Queen jo Ho, Where can the dolls
find you?
Speaker 5 (54:28):
Baby?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Of course, my love, you can find me as you
do every week at Joe Hoo danwns across all socials
my website joindowns dot com. If not there, you will
find me around running around like what's what's her phrase?
Chick chicken my head cut off, like just just just
nasty and headless and oozing and all that jazz because
(54:50):
I just have so much to do. I was preparing
for Black Pride, so I'll just be exhausted. So actually,
if you see me, don't say something to me unless
you give me food.
Speaker 6 (54:57):
You give me food.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Say hi. If you don't give me for your coffee,
just keep talking girl, and keep walking.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
No, ain't talking to your Yes, keep don't walking? Now,
ain't talking.
Speaker 5 (55:12):
Again.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
People of a particular age know that song? Who was it?
Wasn't that? What's her name? Who is that? Robin s?
Speaker 4 (55:21):
I'm gonna say it's Robin. I think it's Robin S.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
But yeah, I think it's Robines. But anyway, all that
to be said. As for me and my queendom, you
can find me over here, laid up watching this new
season of Big Brother. I am in it girl. There
I got thoughts. So if y'all want to know my
thoughts on Big Brother, know that I will be threading
and I will be posting because not only do I
(55:49):
believe that, I believe that there is a scheme that
Todd set up to hit a lot of the folks
in that house with the bullshit. So I got a
lot to say about what's going on this season a
Big Brother. But anyway, that is where I will be
talking about that. Other than that, you can find me
down to ww dot doctor John Paul dot com. You
can also find me on social telling everybody to go
(56:11):
buy my book. Y'all can still got it at Amazon.
It's Barnes and Noble. Y'all can keep running that number up.
I love I love y'all Ford, And I'm still getting
people who are like, oh, I just got it. It's
a good book, and I'm like, yes, please tell your
mom and your uncles and your aunties to buy it too.
So with that being said, we want to thank our
wonderful producer, Bey Wang for handling the logistics and making
sure that our guest is here with us today. Thank you, Bay,
(56:33):
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(56:54):
facts and and fabulous. And remember what, joho, we.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
May not have a cup of tea. You to hold
your breath and hold that pose for me.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
I know that's right, Yes, yes, yes, we may not
be your cup of tea, but you can hold that
pose for me. I know that's right. With that being said,
I love us for real until next week. By y'all.
The Black Fat Felm Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
and Doctor Sean Paul LLC. Hey everyone, welcome to another
episode of the Black Siffm Podcast, for all the intersections
of a dnity are celebrated. I am one of your hosts,
John also known as Doctor John Paul, and I just
want to know what do I have to do to
get min It made to re release Frutopia. I mean,
(00:23):
all these companies are bringing stuff back. You could go.
I mean, you could go to the store and get
a zema you go, do you could do all this
stuffing you was doing in the nineties, But I can't
have no Frutopia Mini May What do I gotta do
to let you to allow you to let me sip
on a much simpler time? I just need to sip
on a much simpler time because this record. Do you
(00:48):
were you? Are you a person of a particular age?
Do you remember Frutopia?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Because you're I was like, who Forrutopia? I hate to
say it. I hate to saying us anant on the street.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Sorry to that girl, sorry to this. You don't even
know what azema is, do you you know? No? No, no, no,
you don't know what a is do you you don't
even remember when Dorino's was three D?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Huh girl? What you what?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Girl? You missed out? You missed out? You missed out, girl.
There was a time. No, so there was a time,
you know what. Okay, let me introduce our guests today.
They need I see them making me and they got
to get in on this conversation. We you know, someone
better call Moses to make him take us the freedom
(01:42):
because this week he had your girl on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm introducing myself.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
No, no, no, I'm introducing them because they got to
come in here because I need somebody who is a
person of a particular age. We have a special guest
in our hot seat. This person is know as the
King of Vogue. They are a legendary performer. They have
on Icon twenty eighteen. You can see them on poles.
You may have seen them on Legendary King Deshaun basket. Mother,
(02:09):
get in here.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Do you remember three D Doritos? Right?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah, I was having this conversation about three D Doritos
and zemas, and yes, I do remember three D Doritos.
It was like a pop in your mouth. It was crunchy,
it was a specific side.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It was a time. It was a time.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And then was the flavors. It was different flavors of
zema too.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Oh my gosh, yes, yes, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I used to sneak them. I wasn't supposed to be
drinking them, but I'm drinking anyway. I was like fifteen
and sixteen, and I'd be sitting on a zema thinking
I was drunk.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I had a couple of zebras.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
No, ain't no type of alcohol. None of the arbor
miss is arbor miss still around miss like seerra.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Miss No, Oh my god, no, no.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
All the black people drank it.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh the moscato, right, it was like a moscato.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, okay, okay, you know, you know, okay, go ahead, y'all.
Intro yourself.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I like, I'm like Mega Marco, but Oprah maybe silent
every silence they said, a racing silent you silent? Yes,
like a raisy girl, honestly, fam issue girl Jordan or
Jojo during it's not my checks and it's Pride week
here in San Diego and I am clawing for my
(03:39):
sandy ya.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
It's not busy.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And then you're like, wait, wasn't prime month in June. No,
I mean it was, but in CEO it's in July,
and then Black Pride is in August, so it's like
a whole quarter of pride, which you would think. So
it's gonna be our Pride thirty five in these streets.
But like prize celebrations for three months is exhausting, Like
I'm maybe I'm I'm to tire my rights away. I'm
kind of tired of it. And I do feel like
(04:03):
the devil is watching by every move. I feel his
eye twitching, his eye twitching, watched me right every corner.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Because girl, tell me why I lost two nails this week.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I lost one nail right right before we hit.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, I saw it.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I saw that.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Thankfully it looked. It looks sad. She looks lonely and sad.
And also what got me is that like like this
these are my actual nails. So this is also my
actual nail. So I don't know what happened. She had
a clean break thing, God, she had a clean break,
but she broken like she does a nasty lady. And
now I can't clap with his hand. It's not.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's not say I know this is this is not
this is a dinosaur. What is this is? Yes, yes,
but no.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
It's okay, devil. I will not go to that cold
dark knight.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You want the devil?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Look I cannot.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I got away, Yo, I don't already tell this is
gonna be a great episode today. Yes we are, Deshaun.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
We're so thrilled to have you here.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Words really, Krek cannot describe for your time today, like
literally like when you you have popped up, when you
popped into the room, I thought it was John so.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Something about saying some snarky ship and I saw your face.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I gas, I said, yeah, look you guys like wow,
I can't So we don't get pick up my show
we would do every week by giving a Sis Campbell
her flowers and now are still here segment and the
show that we're still here. We're gonna bring back today,
bring back the bitch track, bringing the bitch track today.
For those who don't know what a bitch track is,
(05:49):
just just a girl feeling herself popping her ship off
on somebody else laid on top on top of a
house beat. For example, Miss honey by Money.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Don't you hear me calling you?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I know you hear me that I be back miss Honey.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yes, so I want to ask y'all today, what's y'alls
his favorite bitch trap? I go first, John the Pasta
to you, Deshaun for me, So.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
What my favorite is? Miss Honey?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I obviously most people. I heard it during Pure Honey
with and that wast to it every week, especially when
I'm feeling mad somebody, I'm like, let me just let
me just play us real quick. But also I'm listening
to the song get Her by Ryan Commedy and Roxy.
It's just like it is. She is rude, she is
salty as hell. She said, hell damn she thought to
(06:44):
be like this, And I'm be on the stairs. I'll
push her down backwards. I'll push her down back stairs.
Carrol I said, that is a while. Push stairs, go off, Rocky,
push you down on that song get Her get g g.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
E T h u h yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I live.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
I live top bitches for me.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay, so you know I'm I'm gonna start here because
again I'm a girl of a particular age. I am
going to say that Maya's Moon Ring album whatever bitch,
you bet work?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh my god, hey.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Okay, you bet work. Literally that song made me gay
full stop like I U. I was queer as soon
as I heard that song because I was like, oh,
what is this? Like, what is the call and response?
Is she calling me? Oh? Cause I'm not taking my freak? Oh?
Speaker 5 (07:41):
I was that is a moment.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Moment I heard that song I had not heard before
a giant.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Played, I was like wait.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I was like, wait, Myerley is one of the girls.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yes, Maya has been one of the girls. She was
giving ballroom before ballroom was ballrooming in the popular kind
of the space. Like honestly, when when she would perform
that song during her set, I didn't know. I didn't
know it as ballroom at the time. And then I
saw Paris is burning and I made the connection and
I said, oh ship, but they were doing and that
(08:14):
song was voging. Okay, got it Maya.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Maya had a moment with that song and that track.
I remember her performing it.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I will also say so I recently saw it was
a TikTok slash. I go between TikTok and reals. Y'all
know that about me. Also, DJ Delice Detroit with Khadija,
that song is definitely in my I'm playing that song
a lot. I just it's such a cute song. And
I saw Baby voguing to it coming down to escalator
and I said, Mama, you got you got to give
(08:48):
the children what they came here for. You just I'm
just obsessed with that song. It's so cute. And then
an honorable mention for me is Shelley's Took the Night
four to three. None of these pictures like better better
than me.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Hand on me?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
When you put that that song, I haven't.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
I've been brought that ship since high school.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I have never noticed a bitch track song or even
a house music song because I think of those lyrics
once per week when I go out the time, I
welcome the cloud the hand on me and said no,
it looked good.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Shocking enough.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
That song sends so many memories back in memory laying
because performed that on America's Best Dance Crew that very song,
Shelley Took the Night.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
So we did that on a B d C.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
So it was so interesting to have that moment because
that was one of the songs before like when it
was hitting, and we took it in the audition and
made it on the show with that song, and so
it was pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah, that's one of those.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I love that.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Okay, I'm gonna take it to a moment as well
to another bit track and this goes back and this
is Sweet Pussy Pauline and it's called work This Pussy.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
Oh my gosh, yes, yes, yes, Now you have to look,
you have to listen to that, you know, with context,
you know, because she is explaining quite some explicit situations
that goes on.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
But baby, during that time when you heard that.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
In the club, but you know you hear certain you know,
lines that kind of exists right now to where like
even making this out using one of the songs where
she got one leg and a headboard and the other
one on the mattress. You hear this, lady's the same
thing as Sweet Pussy Pauline, and she one on the
head fan and the next one on top of the dresser.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Us.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
But it was such a moment during the time too,
so it was just a song. So Sweet Pussy paul
worked this.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Can you can you? Oh twelve years ago? Wow? Okay,
so I just googled it. Yeah, oh, twelve years ago
that song came out. Wow, what a moment. Okay, I'm
familiar with the I don't know know it, but I
definitely have heard it.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Go take a look at it as we pussy Polin
is called work this pussy's I can Tella that he
took a baby.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
She goes down to explaining again, listen to context.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
With context, Yes, contextualize text, contextualize. I think yes, I live. Well.
Now that we have officially got y'all ready to write
your own verse for a BFF fitch track, y'all, we
to a quick break me back with the Shawan and
Esa Ben.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
All right, y'all, so we are back with our categories
uh is segment and this week we are ready to
whack out some questions with our guest. To Sean and
people know you as the king of Vogue. Can you
take us to where you were before ballroom? What brought
you into.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Bene?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Sorry, I will say, well, you know, take us the
story time mother to tell us what has been your journey?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well, I mean it started very young for me.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I was born in Brooklyn, New York, in Brownsville, Brooklyn
born and raised.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I kind of was always around the dance culture.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
So I kind of learned, you know, the hip hop
dancing in the in the projects with my friends and
people around, and we used to go around and perform
every year as a group and a team against other
teams that was out there. But when I was younger,
there was always a friend who was like, you got
to take a trip down to the West Village. And
I'm like, what is the village? What is a West village?
And this is some some early years, y'all, some early years.
(12:38):
So you know, one day my friends was like, you know,
we're just going to take a trip out there and
go there after school. And I was like, okay, why not?
And I took a trip out there. And that's the
first kind of day I ever seen voguing. And this
is like the late nineties. Well I seen voguing and
I was just like, whoa, what is this? And we
followed this man who had a big boom boom box
(12:59):
and his name was dj Al and he walked all.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
The way down Christmas Street to the pier before it
was all.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Fixed up the where it is now, and he used
to play beats and the girls used to circle up
and they used to just voge it out. And I
sat here the very first day like, oh my god,
this is something I want to do.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
And I was fourteen.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I don't know what I was doing out after school,
but I was out there and I had agree At
fourteen child, I listened long stories, long stories you know
where you know, where the people who looked and act
like me didn't exist in your average everyday area. You
had to go somewhere in order to see and find
the folks who you familiarize yourself with.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And I found that in the West Village. And you know,
after school, I.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Would go to school and I would run to the
village and have my time out there so I can
make it all my time for curfew. So these are
the moments where you had, you know, these opportunities, and
that's how I learned it.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So from fourteen to now, I've been going child.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Wow, well and like just a fall.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I'm not like, what have the journey been like for you?
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Like like walk us, walk us through your history.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I mean generally like again, you know, you around the
family who have this Christian values, and you know, when
it comes to homosexuality is a different thing in different conversations.
So again I found my my chosen family when I
went to this area and I made friends and I
you know, we you know, stayed around each other. We
(14:27):
experience things with each other. We that our first flights
to different states together and again create this family. One
thing I could give a lot of thanks to it
to the dropping centers in the after school programs that
were allowing the youth and young adults to come and
have a good time, you know, stress feed free without
no violence, no you know, top of traumatizing experiences for them.
So you know this is h M I, which is
(14:49):
Patrick Martin Institute and g MHC. During these times you
can go to that dropping center so a specific time
and just sit there. They'll feed you that have programming
for you, resume building, job hun saying you know the uh,
there's a few things that was offered then. So these
are the experiences that help the majority of the folks
who you know during my time then were able to
(15:09):
get some of this access to services. So this kind
of like brought me to these dropping centers that after
school places to where they would do outreach at balls.
They would hand out condoms, hand out pamphlet information and
I would work as a pay educator and I used
to get into these balls for free in order to
part participate. So you want a history Rundown as one
(15:30):
of those I used to hand out condoms and once
the job was done, I'm at a ball for free,
and I'm able to participate and walk and have my
experience during those times where it wasn't even public to.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
The world yet.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
So yeah, that's incredible. Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Wow, that is so like like like like what a
great entry point to have, like like when the entry
through lenes of education and like getting actual proper education
and then also just like support of the community like
yourself while also being boyed to be in the community
like that.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Yes, that's incredble on. That does not happen in many places.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's like especially to your point in that like in
that in that time and that that that timeline of
the nineties in two thousands, So.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
It doesn't happen now, you know, because everybody has the
family is a much different compared to what it was
years ago.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
No, so true, a really really good point.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I remember your first seeing you featured in Taylor's w
TP song a Fuckingo by the way, and when I
saw I was like, oh wait, I need to know
who this man is.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Who is he?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And then seeing you host Legendary which also HBO in
the showback.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Or HBO Max Hbox to bring it back Police Show.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
I'm curious to ask you.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I mean and that like that was like especially during
like during the during the pandemically it was a lifeline.
It's like queer culture for me because I was accessing
it in my real life. So like I really want
to be like clear in saying like that show was
so transformative for some reasons and like give me so
much joy at the time of these enjoy around. So
thank you for being incredible hosts on it. I'm curious
to ask you, how do you feel like Bobroom has
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changed with all of the all the attention has it's gotten,
like especially with the Kiki scene rising more and people
knowing more about ballroom. Do you feel like it's a
positive evolution? You think it'sthing we shall be concerned about,
you know. I like I hear folks like like talking
about like wanting to protect it from becoming too on
mass in that way, but also knowing feeling that it's
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good that's getting this recognition. So curre's your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I would say, just like you know, uh, people who've
had experiences where things weren't kind of visualized or popularized
in their time, there was a different way of living
in experience and how it was then we've done nothing
but grow, and I myself, even when I was younger,
noticed that there's a growth that was happening within our
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community that was either going to be maintained or get
lost out of control. Shockly enough, I always tell this
story about how we usually share DVDs, avhs, tapes and
enough of us to see ourselves participate. Back then, we
didn't have these YouTube platforms anything that you could just
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upload really quick. But once we realized YouTube was a
place that we can upload quick clips to get to
see things quicker than we had to wait a whole
week or a month just to see of all that happened,
we started uploading our footage and not knowing that people
were actually watching us as we were uploading now with footage,
so you know, at the same time as we thought
we were just sharing amongst ourselves, we were sharing to
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the world on the space that we didn't know that
they were actually watching us in many different ways, whether they.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Liked it or not.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And majority of.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
The social platforms helped this community grow to where it is,
So it's a good and a bad thing to where
we go with this, because now we have folks who
don't understand the real deal of knowing what it is
to actually walk up all And when I say that, yeah,
anybody can walk and it can participate. But you have
someone who's been dedicating their moments to want to do
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something at this ball and even preparing, or they don't
have to finance the money, or they have the experience,
or you know, their every every average day is not
as as loving as you see it is on the
Cooks when you see them walking being celebrated. So a
lot of people put a lot into wanting to participate,
and sometimes that can get lost compared to someone who's
really talented and just had a free space to go through.
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So the experiences can be quite different. But that's what
we love about the community because we open ourselves up
to anyone.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
So right now, we don't mind. You can be a
huge celebrity.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
If you come walking on this floor and you don't
do it in a proper way, you will get chopped too.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
We don't care who you are.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Get Yeah, you get chopped.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
But again, some people don't take the time to learn
and figure out what it is that we do, the
reason why we do it. They just love the a
good part about it. Some people get the celebration of
the good. Some people doesn't. I mean don't. But it
just sucks because you get this balance of having control
of it but not having control of everything.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Cannot Before I ask my next question, I was gonna
say yes, because I know that there are a lot
of and that's the reason why it's tbh, Like that's
part of the reason. I've heard people say you would
walk so good, and you do all this, And I
always tell people like, I didn't grow up with ballroom,
and I don't like, Yes, I know people in LA
who are a part of it, but I didn't grow
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up with it, and I respect it so much to
where it's like I just my mind is I like
to look and I love to see folks do what
they need, you know, do what they do, you know
when they're walking. And that's that's enough for me to
respect it. I don't don't feel like I have a
place in it per se because I respect it so
much and I believe that you should grow up with
it and you should grow with it and you should
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learn with it. But what I was going to say,
is do you know miss Josephine. Are you friends with her?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Oh, Josephine, We all know Josephine.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
If you can, if you could just send her my love.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I sure will, I sure will tell her. And I
love Josephine too. That lady is a burst of just
good energy. But she don't play about her stuff. Yes,
but she's always she's either good. Get her in a
good day, you get her in a bad day. I
love some Josephine.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, Josephine. I just wanted to say, like, shout out
to Josephine because she's one of these, but I was
gonna was gonna ask, you know, I wanted to stay
in this space for a minute because I think, and
we've talked about this a lot on the show, right,
this idea of that not all representation is good representation, right,
And oftentimes this idea too, of like representation, like you said,
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having the show and folks knowing what ballroom is, that
is good for folks to know and to feel seen
and to feel valued, right, And so something I think
about a lot since the show went off the air,
and then you know, obviously since Poles went off the
air too, and I've seen a lot of people rewatching pose,
and I feel like now that we've had some time
and some space from when the show is actually running,
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folks have been able to appreciate it in a different way.
I think for me, the thing I've been very cognitive
about is the ways in which entertainment kind of uses
us and then discards us when they feel like they've
squeeze the blood out of the turn up. And so
I guess the question that I have for you is,
you know, what can folks outside of ballroom culture do
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to make sure that the legacies both in and outside
of ballroom aren't lost or overcommodified?
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Well interesting enough, you know one thing that I could
say about even just about a show like Legendary that
has came and going to show like Poles that has
coming gone. But one thing that we don't stop doing
is putting on shows. We always have an opportunity in
space to speak. We've been speaking even back then since
you know, Queen it's that documentary about the pageantry world
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and you get to see the ideas creation of ballroom
and then you can.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
See Paris is burning.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
But then we also have opportunities to speak as well too,
like how do I look and Kikey in my house
and legendary and polls, and we have so many opportunities
to speak, and you know it's I just say, we're
just getting another opportunity for us to speak again because
we're in such a creative space in many different ways.
A lot of times people think about we had to
(23:29):
stop people from calling it the voking scene because it's
not the voging scene. It's the ballroom scene. I know
voguing is the most popular part about it, but you'll
see that quicker than anything. But we are the barroom community.
That's just the category within it. We're not the voging scene.
So we have to crackt a lot about it. So
majority of the time, if something is wrong with us,
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I want you to know, our community is going to
speak no matter who it is, no matter what it is.
It's just like we have to stop the word when
it came to death drop, you know, yes so much, Yes,
the dim we have to correct the de terminology with it.
And just because someone's seen the video and decide to
call it something else and they thought that's what it was,
in competiti to our community is not.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
You know, what we say and we continue to go.
We don't stop.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So I said that to say, you know, at times
when we feel like our space is getting tossed somewhere
or getting lost, we kind of jump in to kind
of fix the the wrong that's happening, and we say
it publicly and we stand strong on it as well too,
on top of those that we know who support us
and know that we mean what we say, and we
say what we mean that that way we push forward
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with that. Now, there's going to be many opportunities in
many moments that's going to be working for us to speak,
because there's a new generation that's creating even spaces that's
more amazing than what's existed then.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Now the key Key scene.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Is all over the world, just like barm is now too,
but Key Key is even more all over the world.
But it gives people of the opportunity to get their
practice a run before they hit the big dogs.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
You know, So folks hit the Keykey scene before they
hit the ballroom scene.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, is that what I'm hearing.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yes, it's more of a comfortable environment for people to
as long as the energy is there and you bring
out a category it states four, or you bring some
type of excitement or you know, that's the type where
you start in that kiki scene space because it's more easy,
Your environment is more you know, subtle compared to the
mainstream scene. Like if things go down, you're getting chopped
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and they're reading you on the microphone and exits you
on your way, and it's a lot of things that
can happen.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
So that you know, that makes it makes a lot
of sense because San Diego is a pretty rising key
key scene. But I wouldn't say it's a it's a
big traditional scene. I know we get we have because
I I help run Black Pride and we we do
a ball every year for a Black Pride and so
which sean, if you're if you're around August A through tenth,
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you should come and be happy to happy to hook
you up with it with a weekend pass. Here in
San Diego. We're having a ball story on Friday. But
our balls, I mean, like we we we attracted felks
from like hospital in Siaga, Miyakilu there, but like, but
those are folks who come from tractional houses and so
it's been different interesting to see because most of our
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people in San Diego are like our key house people
not and not you not traditional not.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Social ball roomhouses.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
And so it's interesting to see, like to see how
how we're growing in that way. But I think people
will often try to put them at odds of each other, right,
like Kiki as a as a new wave is against
the old wave. But like, but I love hearing the
like actually within the within the ballroom scene, that's that's
not the case, like sisters, they were sisters.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
It's just things that happened in the scene that just
gonna happen in mainstream, the same the mainstream that happens
in So it's like, you know, yeah, and if people
part of I'm a part of both, so it's it's there.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Okay, Oh well then you definitely should come down for it.
So ask someone I said, while she because guess who
just guess, just prepare.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Their nail this call.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
She's she's an artist, she's a she.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Think you think you tend icon legend, Come on now
and she will be chopped off this weekend. But for
this weekend she will she will be keeping it on. Okay,
So someone who performed across the country, nay, the world,
(27:38):
I want to ask you, what's the Boma experience coast
to coast, you know, east coast, west coast, from across
the pond, what's experienced, like, what's different? What's what? What
are people like?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
What like?
Speaker 6 (27:49):
What what do you experience?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
But when you're there, depending on what city, your region.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
You're in, Okay, when it comes to American ballroom, it
really depends on what area go to, what you're going
to experien It's you know, Atlanta is different from it
is in Chicago, which is different from you know, d
m V area, which is like you know, Washington, Baltimore
kind of area.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
You know, then you go to New York City, which
is different, which is different from California, which is different
from Texas now, which is different from now Portland is
now having balls as well too. They could have balls
but quite some time. But you know, now every area
has this different kind of feel. You know, you're not
going to get the same that you get in Portland
that you get in New York City, which is the
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mecca where BAUL has started, compared to the South where
you know, they're much different to how to handle ballroom.
But when you go overseas, it's even more different. But
it's it's I say, it's different, differ in such a
kind of like a three sixty kind of switch for
Borman in America because you know, ballman in America a
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lot of people before it became this public thing, it
was a lot of struggles. The reason why you walk
there was a lot of things that you went through
to the past and was the reason why you participated
on the floor.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So you can let all that energy out.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
You see folks now who who haven't been through that
same background, but they love ballroom the same way. So
it's a different kind of angle to where you understand
about how people are receiving ballroom when they didn't go
through house fights or house arguments or you know, all
this type of thing, but they still don't have this
love and attention to ballroom that they just really just
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can't let go. And I was able to see that
in many different countries, just recently as I came back
to South Korea, which is booming in ballroom now. Yeah,
so it's like it's picking up people. It's houses are
out there. You know, I got my house out there
as well too, But houses out there they have their
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own mainstream ballroom. They have the key key scene which
is now there. So it's it's really picked up and
it's getting bigger. So and a lot of folks don't
speak English there, so you're able to communicate with folks
in a ballroom.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Way without you know, so interesting, so interesting.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
So the dancing a language is really.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, dancing is a language. I know, that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Well, just just just like one more like like a
hot seat question and just you don't have to answer
you don't want to answer it. Do you have a
preference of vacation, no, foot ballroom?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Okay, no, because every every area gives you a different experience,
Like I can't when I have the same experience in Paris,
which I have a fabulous time in ballroom in Paris.
It's amazing out there. I don't expect to have the
same thing that they have in Sweden. They have a
scene out there as well too, so you know, but
their energy is much different and you get a different
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space of how people do think.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So is there a certain place you wish had a
scene that you don't know of?
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Uh see, I know they're trying to build the scene
up in Africa.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Some I know girls out here.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Her name is Destiny and Ninja she's traveled back and forth,
and you know, she's trying to start the community out there,
and we introduced them to you know, a lot of
the information about the Bone Coaches. So I know Destiny
and Ninja shout out going out there and you know,
supplying some information and make sure people do it right
if they go for it.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I know.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
It has been tapped on before, but I don't think
it has been like out the out there, So I
know they're working on.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
It, right. Yeah, they got on one of these days,
One of these days we have. Yeah, one of these days,
we're gonna have a full house out there.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
You never know. It's probably went out there already. We
just don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
But we see you South Africa. Okay, see you zimbab Wa.
All right, all right, Well, with that being said, while
I continue to scream one, two, three, now hold that
polls for me, we are going to take a quick
break to snatch trophies and feed the children. We'll be
back in just a second.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Okay, y'all, we are back with what's popping. And as
we all know, many phrases or actions that we do
such as storing shakee clock of the tea et cetera.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Come from ballroom. Since we have the king here.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Today, I want to ask you to Shaun and John,
what's the things that you feel people have bit in
from the ballroom? What can they keep and what do
you want them to give back.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I'm sorry, you can't have it all. You can't columbus
it all. I know you believe in gate keeping.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
I'm gonna hold you.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I believe in gatekeeping in you know, in some ways.
And for me it's a figure clapping. I cannot.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Buss.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Blessed, blessed this, bless this girl's soul. When I was shopping,
I was shopping, Okay, I got.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Really cute little cloths that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You see what I did that clock to see.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
This period this little ten year old girl, bless her soul.
She was she's she's like, I love your ring.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Out of the ring.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
And then and then she was like cloth that tea
or cloth that tea. And I was like, I was like,
she's ten, Like I won't drag her for this, but
like she should know that's not what she don't mean.
She should make me and I appreciate her trying to
be affirming for me. I love that she's trying to
be like cute and sweetened. I love that she's ten
years old and she's given to me and her mom
is like, yes, clean blah blah blah. But also was like, girl,
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cloth that this is not like cloth that tea and
are different things like like.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Then and then really quick what it means? It means? No, girl,
sure exactly what it means.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
You gotta you gotta break it down because they knew
the information to start saying it.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
So let me break it down for you to correct them.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
Home, girl, you got you're right.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
You're right with you when you write.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I should have I should because I like but like butterally,
I'm like like like y'all like, can we can we
tell that for us please? Like I like like I like,
I I don't know what some people, but I I
learned this watching you and I'm legendary. Like the second
she was at this, I said, I get it. I
know this is I know this means.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
They were doing it before me.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
They were doing it way before I even started even
doing this publicly in this space to have the opportunity.
But that's just the vibe, like we have many other things.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And I have took it, and I took it and
Maretha like, I like, I I have not clapped in
probably three years. I am not I'm not Palm's girl.
And I love you at work because people at work
are like, is he ben dis no girl like like like,
it's just me being with it. So it was I
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I want to get I'm gate keeping the finger clap.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Yeah, I'm curious about y'all.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Okay, yeah, you know so I definitely I think the
finger clapping I see, I see the white dolls do it,
and it bugs me. But it probably doesn't bug me
and I don't know, and I need to probably process
this out with my therapist. I don't know. But hearing
the white girls, and I say white girls, what I
mean is by the white gays and the the other
dolls who are not a part of our community. This
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whole notion of serving pussy serving cut that bugs me.
I don't know why, but something in my spirit is
always a little like off kelter. When I hear the
white dolls be like, oh, she's serving pussy, she's serving
compan It's like, no, baby, you're serving Christopher Columbus and
colonialty like that, that's what you're serving. You're not serving
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what you think you're serving when you say you're serving
pussy or cut. And I understand it. I know it's
a trans thing, and I know that there are trans
women who utilize it and within you know, circles and
spears and things. But I just I think think there's
something to be said about the ways that folks only
only take our language and and and and want to
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feel connected to us through our language without actually wanting
to feel connected to us. And I think that's the
thing that really, you know what I mean, like I
because I'm that girl, I'll browse through a girl's instagram
and if I notice that you're in a whole bunch
of queer spaces and you have no black people in
your space, but yet you're constantly you know, clock that
tea girl, Oh I'm serving pussy, I'm serving cup, but
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you have no black and queer people around you. That
means you're just you're doing exactly what other you know,
what we as black people have been saying for years.
You want the culture, but you don't want us. And
I think that's.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
The thing, because it's like the real honesty, you know,
conversation with it is that that word can have two
different meanings and.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Not of space.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
So if someone true voting in it looking really feminine,
they can be stepping pussy, serving cunt because they're feminine.
They're given that essence or we as we have this
category which is realness, which has been another controversial topic
within this space now, is that when someone a servant pussy,
a serving cunt, like you can't really spook up an
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tell you can't really see what's going on there. Walk
in this realness category's unclockable. So they're serving pussy, they're
a serving cunt. You know, this is what they're giving you,
no matter if they're sexy or not. They're just giving
you this realness space about it. But to step on
top of that, another thing is realness that word as
well too, because when I see people go around to.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Oh my god, that is given handbag realness. What the
hell is a handbag realness?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
What is a handbag realness? What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yes, so that's what is.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Grind My vogue so tremendous.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
All just took it a completely different spaces to the everybody,
Oh my god, you're serving me hardcore realness. I don't
know what that is because in our space, we don't it's.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Just like the Justin Bieber of it. All Right, I'm
standing on business.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Are you clocking?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Are you clockings? Are you clocking it right now? But
I'm standing on business. Maybe you just you're just utilizing
a whole bunch of black euphemisms that you have no
idea what they mean.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Well, just like I said on TikTok just recently and
if you go check it out, TikTok made a whole
video and posted for themselves about like the word clocking
and what it really means. Because if you're clocking something,
that means you just received some information, that you got
some tea and you're spilling it, or you just caught
it and you want somebody else to catch it too,
clock that that's the tea you're clocking. So I'm just
confused as how yeah, yeah, like how people use in
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the context.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But whatever, no shame.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
I love a handbag.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Let me love handbag on this.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Now serving hand it's it's a key kid.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Yeah, but now handbag, you use it and a joke,
it makes sense, But to tell somebody the serving handbag
is just confusing to me.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna name our episode one thing,
but I definitely am going to name it. She's serving
handbag realness and realness what that means?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Right, But what is is?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
You know?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I feel like I'm like, I love you, like giving
it like giving the TV a clock. I was like,
honestly like, we need we need to do like a
we need to do like a like a very like
fun like information type video where it's like, how do
you clock the tea?
Speaker 6 (39:47):
What's the tea that you're clocking?
Speaker 5 (39:48):
How? How?
Speaker 6 (39:49):
How how does it clock?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
The stribute the t girl Like someone just said, give us,
like give the people a full breakdown a tutorial me
make you realize, or y'all just stop using it.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
You can put it or we can put it behind
a paywall and have people pay for it.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
That's the other part again. I'm I'm prog.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Not everybody to be at the cookout, telling stop and
your mama's cousins, uncles, auntie to the cookout. We don't
know her, we don't like her. She ain't never cooked nothing,
and she always taking food without bringing anything. Like, not
everybody the cookout, okay.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
And also people like like like this is also different
than this, and people, what's the question I have? Don't
see the difference between this and this.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
You don't be realizing it between what.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
This. I see people doing this and then I see
people doing this.
Speaker 9 (40:44):
You no, like like I see this without the like
like like justice, like yes girl, yes girl, like like
like I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yes, like people are just like this.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
It's sort of like there you it all utilizing this
kind of fingertap the situation. Usually we had this here, like,
regardless of how we use it, this means the same thing.
It means the same thing no matter how you use
Some people could be doing this here. Some people could
do it here. This is I usually just because again
the more you just say, the more feminine you are,
(41:20):
the more like this here can be it to somebody
that's like, all right, you're doing that, you know, all right,
yeah that's cool. But again, this us a kind of
like when someone's doing this to you, that means like
you're kind of eating it and serving it up. So
somebody doing it. I can't even talk.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Someone did that to me the other day when I
was walked through the airport, so I was like, I
was like, I hope someone's good.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Now now again you can catch some information and see
a girl that you can see it and you're like.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Oh you ate that as they're walking away.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
You know, again, it depends on the context that you
use it as well too, and how how it makes sense.
But again, these moments, if you know, you see somebody
serving on the floor, you like, work, bitch, or you
know some people do the thing or somebody just shake
it like that, but against somebody's eating, you want them
to know you ate, okay, work work.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I hate that.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
You're communications nonverable and we lead into noble communication.
Speaker 6 (42:15):
That's the ship I live for.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Give me, give me body language, girl, What does the
body say?
Speaker 6 (42:20):
What is the body saying?
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I just I love us the boom scene. We read
each other too much and we use a lot of gestures.
So that's why I kind of help out a lot
of the time.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
See what the girl doing.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
But sometimes you gotta say nothing.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
It's gonna be like, now, I didn't say you were ugly.
I just what a mother said. Paris is birdish. I
don't have to tell you you're ugly, but you but
you know.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
You.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Know that's you know, yeah, screaming said that or who
was it that?
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Corey Corey Corey said it and set that down.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Sorry, no, but Crystal A vision was like, where's Sabrina.
I'll sue the bitcha where is Sabria?
Speaker 6 (43:11):
Do I won't find Sabrina? Where is Sabrina?
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (43:19):
Yes, Okay, listeners.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Now that we officially clothed that tea for y'all, we
gonna say one more break and come back with you'all
favorite segment.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
It's Femine no man PAMs. Back in just a bit.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
All right, y'all, So we are back with y'all's favorite segment,
Yes ma'am and No Man Pam. This is the segment
where we usually give people their flowers or we throw
them at them, and this week I want to give
my yes ma'am to uh the young So it's actually
not one person. It is a group of young men.
I don't know their names, but I did see it.
I saw them on reels, which led me to their TikTok,
(43:57):
and then it led me to a whole bunch of
other things. They've gotten some coverage on NBC News. They've
started what they're calling this black Boy Joy movement. It's
a group of college kids who ultimately college young men
who basically have noted that black men and they do everything.
They've done dog yoga, they when did put puppy yoga,
they've done some other stuff, they've done piloties together. But
(44:18):
they're just really trying to create kind of this movement
of the things that young black men are not told
they're able to do. They're creating and encouraging space for them,
and so I just thought that was really sweet, especially
in a time where I feel like black specifically black
cys men don't get the opportunity to really kind of
engage their joy and the way that they want, and
(44:38):
we're seeing different systems try to take that joy away
from them. I just thought it was really really genius
and really really sweet that we're seeing young men ultimately
tell other black men, black transmen, whatever. And that's basically
what they said. They said, it's an extremely inclusive idea
idea they want everybody to just be happy and to
find whatever makes them happy and to take whatever space
(44:58):
they feel like they need to do that. So I
definitely want to give them a shout out my nomn PAM.
So I will say this. By the time you hear this,
it'll be about will be a couple of days out.
I went to a screening of I Know What You
Did Last Summer last night, and so really it was
a really, really really good film. I won't I can't.
(45:20):
Technically I can't. I don't want Glad to come after me.
I was invited went and it was just something I
noticed while I was there. There were people who knew
people or people that I even knew, and they were
acting in a way as if they couldn't say hello,
or if they were just very much kind of giving
the oh, I'm with my girls. I don't really see
(45:42):
it for you that way, so I'm not going to
say anything. And it really just struck a chord with
me and the idea of like this is like like
my my nomammory to I just basically had put for
my notes mean girls in the industry. And what I
mean by that is the girls and the dolls who
you know are doing and saying whatever they can to
other people to try to dim your light. I want
(46:04):
to remind you. And this is a great example because
by the time you also hear this, it will be
a couple of days out too. There's a whole conversation
right now happening around Nicki Minaj and what Nicki Minaj
is doing to the other rap girlies. And I just
want to say, like, there there's no joy, there's no
great nothing great comes from you tearing other people down.
(46:24):
There's no greatness that comes in you not acknowledging the
talent and the smartness and the you know, the funniness
or you know whatever of someone right like me, Like me,
I'll say this like Deshaun coming for Twiggy. But what's
the point, right? You know what I mean? Like, I
know y'all both are in the same space. Why what's
(46:44):
the point of that? Y'all lift each other up? Right?
And so that that's the thing I live in and
I just don't understand it. I'll never comprehend it. And
So if you are that girl that's listening, and you
are one of those girls who likes to fester, you
know whatever, energy, meanness, nastiness in different spaces, I just
want you to know you have no place here. Like
(47:05):
this is not a podcast for you. I'm not the
girl for you. Joe's not the girl for you. Black
Fat Fem is not the podcast for you. I really
want us to encourage each other, especially right now, because
like I said, they are coming for all of us
and we literally need to be a united front. And
so I know that was very petty but at the
same time or very very small, but I just felt
(47:26):
like I just really wanted to say that this week
of like my no ma'm as me and girls in
the industry, it's just it really gets under my skin.
So joho, what are your thoughts baby?
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Well? And that's just like I first want to say,
like I never want I never want to participate in
in tearing down, like tearing down like like another black
person ever in life publicly help we gather a girl.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Know that's right, come on in and sit out so
we get checked.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Let's let's let me publicly call me out and I
tear them down because because because because the other the
day to your point, I know, we exists in the
world where they're looking for every day as the you know,
the the operative day as the right the government looking
for every be to me, they have to to tear
(48:20):
us down and divide us.
Speaker 6 (48:21):
And like and I I one, I refuse out to
fool in front white folks.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
I also refuse to like participated dot slander in front
of them because it will it will only harm us
more and so I like I hear you and that
and also having peopore mean girls because because I'm like,
we can just be better people. My yes ma'am is
going to be in advanced Yes ma'am to our.
Speaker 6 (48:43):
Tour to our good sister cal Willist, who is in
front of the show.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
They are actually today they are the keynote speaker for
our rally on Friday we're seeing for Pride. So I
haven't seen her yet. By but times comes out, I
will have seen her speaking. I'm very excited to see
her speak August eighth. No no, no, no no no, sorry, no
sorry this weekend for a since.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Okay, because I was gonna say, I think I'm gonna
make my way down there on the eighth for as you.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Should please and thank you for Black Pride gets Black
ste Pride is this weekend and the eighth is our
som rally will cover. This is a speaker and I
just I love they got her. I'm praying I can
kind of way to meet her officially and say like,
hey girl.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Have her phone number? Happened?
Speaker 3 (49:27):
I loved it.
Speaker 6 (49:28):
I also love her to time to sign my book.
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Butually she is like just amazing, and I'm thankful that pride.
How's her to speak? So yes, I think of that.
My nomad Pam is just I'm gonna reup on the
people who are wearing the Protect the Dolls t shirt
if you aren't actually do anything for the dolls, like
I just I just like, like, I really I appreciate
why you, like, I mean, I mean like like, I
(49:54):
just I want to see you doing stuff for the
dolls and not just wearing the shirt, like like where
the shirt is fine, but spending with the dolls as
well too, because like, because the dolls are still dying,
you aren't protecting them a doll. So I just want
to be mindful of like if you wear the shirt y'all, like,
especially because I've just been seeing so many, so many
white days wear the weather shirt and I'm like, okay,
but you're like I saw so got me. It was
(50:16):
it was a guy of gaze for them.
Speaker 6 (50:17):
All the way in the shirt. But guess what was
missing from that picture a doll?
Speaker 2 (50:22):
So I was like, so you have the doll, but
you got one doll in the like in the thing
with you, So like, how are you proteting the dolls?
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Girl?
Speaker 6 (50:30):
Like make it make sense.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
So I just have I have questions, you know, and
again like I won't send you in public, but I
will do DM. You probably can say, girl, what was that?
Speaker 6 (50:38):
Where are the dolls that you're trying to protect.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
It's just no man pam to those folks who don't like,
who don't get the actual point of the message and
don't do what the message is saying to do.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
I need, I need, I need us to do better.
You very much the shot. How about you boo?
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Hmmm, Well, my guest man will go to Hope. Giselle.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
She's a woman who speakings spaces that a lot of
folks don't have voices speaking. She's making sure rights are
being you know, fulfilled and the best way possible to
our girls, our dolls, and making sure voice is being heard.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
I just support her.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
Had an opportunity to meet her one time, and I
still support her in every you know space that she's
trying to like tackle down because baby, she's informing me
about things that I didn't even know.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
So it's just I support my once up goes to her.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Definitely a transgirl in the space, a black trans woman's
making sure things are getting done. So I support that woman.
Keep doing your thing day. Shawn's behind you. A hundred
tempers of baby my no, man Pam.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
I don't have really much of no man Pam because
it's something not working on my space. I'm gonna know,
man pamit been in there, so.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Mother said, I'm not waiting, yeah, right then and there.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
But if I was to say anything, I'm gonna know,
man Pam. Those folks who don't give their self enough
space to understand who they are, you know, and understanding
living in such an interesting world right now, interesting space,
but like you have to understand who you are, what
you like, how you like to move, what you like
(52:18):
to do, a lot of people don't take care of
theirselves more than they take care of others. So got
to kind of flip that mirror back and make sure
that you're okay before you make sure somebody else is.
So for you not taking care of yourself, baby, take
care of yourself and then you can take.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Care of other.
Speaker 5 (52:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
I think that's a great sentiment of what I think
what you embody, Deshaun, is this idea too of like,
you know, queer culture and specifically black queer culture and
house culture and all of that has been very much
kind of like we give to one another. We give
to one another, and we support one another, and we
uplift one another and we give each other space. But
I think I've seen some people that I know for
(52:58):
a fact who are in these spaces, give so much
of themselves that at the end of the day they
have nothing left. And I think there's something to be
said in this time too, of like being Okay, this
is like the second or third message God, I hear you. Okay,
you've been very very loud this week. I hear you.
I think this is, you know, a sentiment of we
(53:19):
we as queer people, we as black where people, we
can't always be taking care of everybody else and not
taking care of ourselves. And so I appreciate that you
said that because it's so it's timely. It's way more
timely than you may know. And so again that word
you just shared, I hear it because I know that
the universe is usually you did remind me of it
(53:40):
as well. So I just want you to know that
the word is heard. All right there. With that big said,
you can send us your thoughts, your feedback and email
to Blackfatfeinpod at gmail dot com. You can also send
us your thoughts via social media by interacting with our
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handle black Fat fim Pod DeShawn. Where can the Dolls?
(54:02):
All the dolls find you?
Speaker 4 (54:05):
On every platform at Dave Sean Wesley every platform day
Sean Wesley, you ain't gonna miss it.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
I know that's right, and I am very much Just again,
thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, just so
from the bottom of my my, my tubby little heart,
thank you for being on this week a blast. I
had a blast. Queen jo Ho, Where can the dolls
find you?
Speaker 5 (54:28):
Baby?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Of course, my love, you can find me as you
do every week at Joe Hoo danwns across all socials
my website joindowns dot com. If not there, you will
find me around running around like what's what's her phrase?
Chick chicken my head cut off, like just just just
nasty and headless and oozing and all that jazz because
(54:50):
I just have so much to do. I was preparing
for Black Pride, so I'll just be exhausted. So actually,
if you see me, don't say something to me unless
you give me food.
Speaker 6 (54:57):
You give me food.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Say hi. If you don't give me for your coffee,
just keep talking girl, and keep walking.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
No, ain't talking to your Yes, keep don't walking? Now,
ain't talking.
Speaker 5 (55:12):
Again.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
People of a particular age know that song? Who was it?
Wasn't that? What's her name? Who is that? Robin s?
Speaker 4 (55:21):
I'm gonna say it's Robin. I think it's Robin S.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
But yeah, I think it's Robines. But anyway, all that
to be said. As for me and my queendom, you
can find me over here, laid up watching this new
season of Big Brother. I am in it girl. There
I got thoughts. So if y'all want to know my
thoughts on Big Brother, know that I will be threading
and I will be posting because not only do I
(55:49):
believe that, I believe that there is a scheme that
Todd set up to hit a lot of the folks
in that house with the bullshit. So I got a
lot to say about what's going on this season a
Big Brother. But anyway, that is where I will be
talking about that. Other than that, you can find me
down to ww dot doctor John Paul dot com. You
can also find me on social telling everybody to go
(56:11):
buy my book. Y'all can still got it at Amazon.
It's Barnes and Noble. Y'all can keep running that number up.
I love I love y'all Ford, And I'm still getting
people who are like, oh, I just got it. It's
a good book, and I'm like, yes, please tell your
mom and your uncles and your aunties to buy it too.
So with that being said, we want to thank our
wonderful producer, Bey Wang for handling the logistics and making
sure that our guest is here with us today. Thank you, Bay,
(56:33):
We love you, super producer. We also want to thank
everyone over at iHeartMedia for keeping the show up and running.
We also want to shout out our wonderful editor Chris Rogers,
because without him, we'd have no audio, we'd have no visuals.
Down to the tubes of you. Thank you everybody over
down to the YouTube for all of your comments and
for constantly watching and listening to the show. We love
you as well. This has been another show Stay black,
(56:54):
facts and and fabulous. And remember what, joho, we.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
May not have a cup of tea. You to hold
your breath and hold that pose for me.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
I know that's right, Yes, yes, yes, we may not
be your cup of tea, but you can hold that
pose for me. I know that's right. With that being said,
I love us for real until next week. By y'all.
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