They Don't Know GAWD! (Featuring Bay Davis)

This week your BFF's link with the illustrious Bay Davis to talk being Black 365, why we need to redefine community (yes we go there) and why we are so thankful to be Black, fat, femmes. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Black Fat Fem Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
and Doctor John Paul LLC.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the Blackfeft Fan
podcast where all the intersections of identity are celebrated. I
am one of your hosts, John also known as Doctor
John Paul, and your eyes and is do not deceive you.
We all back back back in studio recording in person.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
What a moment? What a bessing? How are you?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Queen Johoe, Oh my god? This turs off Famisha girl
Jordan ak Joe. Now I'm so told me about together
in person and be for lost Angel's Yes, we're happy
to be here first of all for our first in
person episode twenty twenty five at part okay, especially if
the childs wipulations that La has been going to my god, girls,
but this ship. We were trying to do an in
person recording every quarter at least what's the quarter, and

(00:49):
we're decided to kick off the show today with this artiste,
a poet, activist, Mago Okay and culture curator introduce so
much fucking more, always more. You may have seen her
when her incredible words to make Goods, Make Good Famous
Summit graced our ears, and we're still to have her
speak with us today. Please welcome the incomparable Bay Davis.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
How are your sister, my true having a good piece
of time here? Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, yes, yes, how I having me? I'm good good,
I feel good. My spirits is high. My nigga made
me shrimp and gris this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
It was out here.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Going to your house after this, right, the.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Man cook, the man cook.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Having a great time journey for you, and I wish
that journey, yes, man, we all deserve and.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Always more.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
All right, Well, so we're gonna go ahead and we
are going to jump into our first segment of our show.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
You all know what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
We are going to jump in and we're gonna jump
into our still here segment where we kick off the
show as we always do, honoring our girl Tisha Campbell,
who we are.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Still chasing to get on the show. Just know that
we are coming for you. Just be on this show.
So for this week's segment, it's a juicy one.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
We're recording on February twenty eighth, so everybody knows that
one this is the last day of Black History, Day
of Black History, and then on top of that, it's
Blackout Day too. So for those of you who are
familiar when you hear by the time you hear this,
it'll be a week from now.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
From what I'm understanding.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
About blackout Day, folks are saying, don't buy nothing, don't
spend your money where you're not supposed to. And if
this doesn't move us in some type of ways, it's
going to be longer and there's going to be more
behind it. So that actually makes me happy because it's
showing that people are collectively working to do what they
have to do to get these people to respond. And
so with that being said, we are ultimately we're asking

(03:00):
the question or and we're going to be talking about
a lot of this as we go through the show.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
The question that we are asking is.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Knowing that there have been several calls for folks to
do stuff to get activated. We've seen protests on the freeway,
We've seen folks you know, talking about ceasing labor movements,
people not going to work, we got the babies walking
out of classrooms. I'm curious to ask y'all, what do
you think these actions mean or ultimately, what do you
think how do you think they pour into the movement

(03:30):
that we are currently the time that we're currently in.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Well, I think give this a lot of thought personally
because my feet, my feet is full of people who
feel things across the spectrum, which I love right to me.
Lets me know that Mike, my my feet is my
feet isn't monotonous, not just like it's not like one
size fit. SOI it's really people from all across the spectrum.
Today I'm parcticipting as best as I can, right. I
think they have some cash on me. I guessed my

(03:55):
car up yesterday, so I don't need to buy things
except for food.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I'm gonna say, like, you know, we was on purpose,
possibly not, but did it happen?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
It did?

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Okay, but you know, except for today to buy some
food because the bitch is hungry and she's appling, you know.
But I can keep it local. I can keep a local.
But it doesn't brought up also a lot of feelings
for me because like I think of class issues within
within this, I think of like ability issues like I
saw miss miss miss Tinos Auston, who obviously we all
love mother Beyonce should have post about blackout and support,

(04:30):
and while I love that so much, I also was like, okay,
but you have every single want and need met, so
you can forego a day without spending spending anybody to
do this, right, I mean you can go may days, right,
but not everyone can't like not like not everyone can
afford to say I can't go shop, I'm not gonna
go shop and take or or never can afford to

(04:51):
say I'm gonna not works exactly. And so I think,
to me, it's like, what would it look like for
millionaires to support this by paying for people's needs if
you if if or go out or or give people's
a day like a day's worth of pay to take
off work for this cause. Like I just like I
I get the reasoning and I support it. And and

(05:14):
also I'm like we have I think we have to
think more critically as well, like how these people across class,
across race, across but like the demography where they are
like like right, like I live, I live in a
place where I can walk down the street and do
my shopping right exactly like you have to in the
car to go do something. So it's not always so
that food food deserts. People don't okay, next to me,

(05:36):
but a liquor store.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
I can't get my adds from a store unless it's
like twelve bucks either, like it's too much.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
So that's yeah, they are So that's that's my thoughts.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
But I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Needed my little breakfast things and is.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
But also I think this conversation also makes me so
appreciated and like grateful, because I feel like it's like
challenging the trajectory and how we engage with like movement work.
I feel like we're like in this time where like
everybody's lit up and getting activated and getting radicalized and
being challenged and even in the nuances where things don't
make sense to all of us or like whatever whatever.

(06:17):
I'm like, at least I grew up organizing. I started
organizing when I was like eleven to twelve years old.
And those conversations we used to be on buses and
go knocking on doors on street corners in classrooms, and
those conversations were always so hard because people were always so.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Far from the work that we were doing. We would
have to.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Pull and convince people and pull from like history and
connected to a system and connect that system to like
how that's a lived experience still and then give people
like a tangible movement. People are already on the first
step of the tangible movement. And even in all of
these things where we're still learning what like intersectionality looks like,
and like being a real ally or how to be
like inclusive or how to show up in a way

(06:55):
where we're like.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
All, what is this?

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Like I feel like even the shit that I see
that I don't always understand or agree with or whatever,
I'm like, cool, Like you're a step closer to getting
to where we need to be.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
And that makes me so so excited.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Like even the way that like I don't know, like
young folk or just like people engage with like liberation
work online or like how people like I feel like
language is a really big thing right now, where like
there's like a hyper focus on like healing and that
was not a conversation years ago, And I'm like I
love this.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Like there's some things I really don't even understand or
get fully jiggered with, and I'm like, that's cut. Because
when I was.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
A kid, I remember bringing up things in the older
heads was like thisitch, what the fuck is you? You
taking a break to go either granola bar? We don't
do that we in the streets for really, you know
what I mean, Like it was, it was different. Yeah,
it excites me. It makes me so so happy. Like
I think, like I don't know, I feel like I
was upset for really I'm ramming a little bit, but
I was upset for a while with like how romanticized

(07:57):
and like commercialized all of the work. Is like everybody
go to a test, take a photo with a little
and I'm like, okay, cute.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
And I was so upset for a really long time.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
But then I was like from an organizer standpoint, and
if I'm looking at this strategically, you already at the protest,
whether you're there for the right reasons or not. Like
bit you in a room, okay, And I tell you,
if I could work with that, you not on the block,
You're not upset, You not at the Trump whatever, whatever
you're you know what I mean, Like you're a little
bit closer, and I could I could get you with that.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
I could work with that, because it's it's a it's
a less of a fight, you know. Yeah, yeah to
your point.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
And I love that you both are saying what you're
saying because I when I was driving in and this
is actually what I put in for this morning. When
I was putting this my thoughts into the doc, you know,
I was telling myself that there was part of me like, yes,
I love that folks are so activated, But I think
the other struggle for me is like I'm seeing more
black people be activated than my peers, and I'm at
a place right now where I'm mentally as a black person,

(08:51):
i am tired, and I do wish that they're you know,
I wish this activation wasn't just always on us. I
think that's where my heart has been these last couple
of months, like yes, we gotta do the work, and
yes that we and when I say do the work,
we're always doing the work.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Right, We're always we're constantly sitting for.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
A change, right, We're constantly pushing for change. But I'm
in the mind of you know, I was just saying,
like I'm mentally at a place where I'm just tired
of constantly being an activist mode.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Like I'm like, nigga, cannot sleep, Can I take it?
Can I go to bed?

Speaker 2 (09:23):
And so it's like, you know, I see these movements
and I see these calls, and I'm like, yes, yes,
we have to do this. But I also want to
say on the other end, and I always say, the
devil doesn't need doesn't need an advocate, right, But I'm
very much in the mind of just being like I
wish that it wasn't always on us, Like I wish
we were challenging our peers and our partners who are

(09:43):
not black to step up to the play and say, yo,
it's your time to do something, because, like I said,
we didn't make this mess.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
We've never made this mess. Right.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
There's also such a crazy shame associated to stepping back,
and it's also fucked up because we always talk about
like this like healing work d but like exactly to
your point, like just existing is already so much exhaustion,
and then on top of that, being burdened by having
to be the forefront, in the face and the like
uh information to like inform the trajectory of all of

(10:13):
these movements and to actually step back. I took a
hiatus from I learned community to work in a very
very specific way, and then transitioned into being an artist.
And it took me a really long time to fully
not experience like this like shame. I feel like I
had to be on the street corner. I had to
be grassroots, I had.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
To be in an org.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
But say that to say that, like, yeah, I agree,
like we need that step back, but also like and
not just like the the the allyship from other folks
to like show up where we step aside, but also
just like creating the spaces amongst ourselves because there's so
many And again I think also just our relationship to
liberation work now it's so removed from ourselves, Like a
lot of people learning in the classroom are online.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
So it's easy to be like, oh, bitch, you did
this and this and this and this just this and
you cancel. Now fuck you.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
You're not doing the fucking work. And I'm like, oh, actually, bitch,
Like now we all need to step back sometimes you
all need to breathe it because you can't you. I
can't pour from my cup if I'm still learning how
to shape it and I'm still designing it and my
ship is cracked and wet, it is not dry, it's
not solid. I can't and i can't do any work
for you if I'm still you know, you know, and well,
I'll just say I think we're pointing to also making

(11:17):
about the idea. But you know, I think what reson
for me is like the work in the exhaustion to
out dis mental system.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
I just trying to kill you. Like it's like it's
and I think I think your like no one, like
everyone wants us to work. We're working, fight fight, fight,
but no one want to give usarrest. No one wants
to want to pass the rest and then.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Hello, and then I just want to brand deal. So
I alway, somebody somebody's if you do your now, you
want somebody with a red headed I'm.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Saying literally because her these posts are why I'm like,
why are they doing this?

Speaker 1 (12:12):
But it's it's it's so.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
True, and I think, like I think a lot about
right Like in the election, black men were like, don't
like after y'all the Trump and don't do nothing, and
yet Blatimir are still I hear doing the work.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Everybody else is still having to do the work.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
All of this and all of this is valid, and
I just love that there's so many different practices that
we are we are having a combo around. But with
that being said, now that y'all have made me put
my Apple card away, we are.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Going to take a break.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
And when we come back, we're gonna talk more about
community and healing and utilizing our artistry.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
With Davis more in a second.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, we are we are black, and we are back
on the blast fold Black History months. But we are
about through STY five first of all, and I want
to kick off by by talking today about community, because
we've been talking about community a lot these days, especially
as we've gone through this point in time and the country,
and we recognize the communities we all holds us as
we work to uplift us over the over the next

(13:22):
four years, if not beyond. And we know you rep
South Central a historic part of LA that people have
a lot of things about for a lot of reasons.
And why ask you like tell us about your hood,
what it means to you, how it has made you,
Why and why even why even more now than those
feelings and those noises and memories and feelings help you
and hold you the work that you do.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
I day, oh, I love this. I love this question
is my favorite question. I love my hood.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
So the furthest I could trace back my lineage is
to my great grandparents. My great granddad was a buckwheat
on a low rascals.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yes, girl, my family go way way back.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
All of my family is law and so they bought
like real estate in Mid City, had my granny, her sisters.
My dad from South Central and Mid City. He from
the City Stoners, my mom from South Central. I grew
up in South Central. I love South Central. Yeah, And
I think, like I'm so, I've been doing a lot

(14:21):
of I've been a crown priests for the past like
three four years maybe when I started doing traditionally, When
I started practicing traditionally African religion, a lot of just
like ancestral work comes with it. And I think it
was the first time that I was really able to
see tangibly on an everyday basis how much my ancestors
lived through me, and how much I see them, and

(14:42):
how much of the blueprint they are and have been
and continue to be. Like sometimes I'd be in a
room and I'm like, oh, I'm running the same streets
that my great aunt did, and I'm doing the same shit,
and I'm drinking the same drinks and at the same place.
And I can feel them in a way now that
I wasn't able to before because of the ancestral work
that I've done and been able to like really put
to them and like build out altars and bovidas and

(15:02):
like figure out what everybody needs and how they communicate
it and how they feel.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
And I say that to say that, like.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
I don't know, I attribute so much of who I
am and the work that I do, and even just
how I like I adorn myself and present my body
and even connecting that to like gender things, like all
of that is a representation of my hood and the
women that came before me and the women that fought
for me to be alive now and like.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
All the crazy little light skinned, high yellow hood bitches
with short hair, you know what I mean, Like that's
really my honni is for real. And yeah, like I
even think about, like.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
I don't know, Like even the reason I started doing
community work was my my dad passed an interaction with
the police in South Central. Yeah, I got organized as
how central. I got organized on the on the corner
of King of Vermont and it's been that since, you know.
But even that, like growing up in the hood and
having coming from a family that's like deeply impacted, and

(15:59):
it's like all formerly incarcerated or actively incarcerated or addicts
or like gang members and like I, I can see
all of the systems that have deeply impacted my family
and still impact me still and inform my literal biology,
you know. And as soon as I was able to
identify a system and and see it in my neighbors

(16:20):
and myself and even still I live on.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Well, let me not say we don't want the we
don't want them coming. They will come. They will come. Okay.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
How you identify traders on the way, You could be
traders on the way, honey, A little they do creeping, girl,
they pre get on grinding. They two hundred feet away.
I said, are you in my living room?

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Think of what are you doing? And they do? They
do be. They just be waiting. They said, I see
you at the girl, I see you have food for dog.
What what are you you have?

Speaker 4 (17:08):
You waited you guys, thank you, thank you and your
faces profile. I still don't know who you are and
I probably never will.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
I know, I know by you just be buying your business.
You are literally groth. You had that to give me something,
ran we're looking give it up? Yeah something? But yeah,

(17:46):
but no, I feel you, honey, I trust me. I
feel you whole hard. Yeah, but I loved my hood made.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
My hood is everything to me, my lineage, my folks,
my my yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
So I was gonna ask about you know so so art,
and this is the thing, you know, so as much
as I'm not a huge so please don't come from me, y'all.
As much as I'm not like this huge, you know,
I roll and I go hard for Kendrick and all
of that.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
I'm not that person. No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
For me.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
What I was gonna say, to.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
The point is, you know, knowing that Kendrick is where,
knowing that I know where Kendrick is from, and knowing
that he truly is from the hood, you know so
much of where we're from. Like so, for instance, always
tell people, no matter how much I do, no matter
how much I create, no matter what I write, no
matter what, it's gonna always be the Inland Empire. The
Inland Empire is what shaped me. It is what raised me.
And so I think the same thing about you in

(18:39):
terms of your art. You know, the hood, you know,
whether it be South Central or not, is always going
to be a part of your art. And so in
one of your poems, you have a line that says,
your palms, baby, look at your palms.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
What do they take?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
What?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
And who do they hold?

Speaker 3 (18:53):
What do they offer?

Speaker 2 (18:54):
This line kind of changed both me and Joe Hoo
because as black folks, our hands are seen as weapons
often right, We're constantly being told that even when we're
not doing anything, we're guilty.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yes, yes, yes, shut out. You know we were journalist.
They're like, so what do you do? This is great? No,
they like, so what do you? Where are you from?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
This is.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Got you? We got you, and so we wanted to
ask you.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think, you know, you really much gave us so
much death not only from words, but I even think
from experience, you know, kind of this whole notion, Like
when I read that, I think about this notion of
growing up black. If you're not moving your hands and
not doing something, you're not being productive, right, And so
I wanted to ask because I think both me and
Jojo understand you know, how important community is to you,

(19:50):
but also really thinking about like what has the hands
given you at home? Like how do you provide for
your community and how does the community provide for you?
I think that's as an in this moment because I
often feel like we act activists, like what are you
doing for your community?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
But it's like, nah, nigga, what is these niggas doing
for me? So I would love to know, like how
has how has like you know, south Central really fueled
you and kept you going in the last couple of
years with all of the stuff we've seen.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
I'd be real honest, I don't know how much I
think growing up. I think when I think about like
my like home, or like my roots or my foundations,
those things that like gave me those tools of survival
in a very different place in my life, I feel
like I can identify community there. I do think since

(20:40):
transitioning my relationship to LA has gotten very spooky I've experience.
I mean, I've always been very close to violence or
danger or you know, just the shit, but my relationship
to it now is very very different. I think I'm
always hyper aware of my visibility or my safety and

(21:04):
so so aware of like how quickly.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
He I love the key key.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
I love it like I get into it anywhere, and
I'm making a friend with somebody. But I also now
am so so just like uncomfy and and aware of
like how quickly quickly those conversations become like violent for
me now.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
So to be very honest, I don't know how.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Much community or like, uh, I don't feel very healed
or poured into in my city. No more like I
get more flowers or more safety or more visibility when
I'm like in Oakland or New York like thus where
girls really come up to me and they're like, yo,
we see you, thank you for this.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
But I also think it's like a trans community in
LA is so.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
Separated and so politically and so like kind of like
centered around like passibility politics, you know. And and also
is because of how the how LA is set up.
Like I get I get in to a bar or
into a space out here, I see another doll. We're
not speaking until we're in the bathroom just because if
we speak to each other we might get clocked and out.
We both spooked in here and it's dangerous for both

(22:09):
of us. And because of situations like that, our community
is very very separate because of that. But then also
like a lot of the girls like won't fuck with
other girls if they're not passing, or if they not fab,
if they're not good, if they don't got a name,
but they work not good. But Yeah, So I've found
a lot of community in Oakland. I started going to
Oakland a lot after my partner passed. My partner his

(22:29):
name is Victor mcahanny. He passed twenty nineteen. All his
folks is from Oakland. I started going to Oakland a lot.
That's where I started transitioning. That's where I found real
like queer and trans folks that held space for me
and let me explore and be like a doll with
a beard and do the thing and the.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Key, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Yes, that's where I found the space to really get free.
And even how we were talking about earlier, like going
back there, like that's I think that's one of the
places where I like, I mean, LA will always be home.
I got how such attaches on my stomach. I love
how such a but but like Oakland is, Oakland saved
my life in so so many ways, and it's provided
so much community in space. I feel like Oakland has

(23:10):
a damn it don't cover me off because but Oakland
got a community and and a politic that's that's just
like in grad Like I feel like La is very
saturated and like cushion and gang shit and like industry ship,
and sometimes that mixes in different ways, but we have
very specific rules. Oakland is rooted in like and and
some ship that I've never experienced before until I got there. Yeah,

(23:32):
that lady has held me the fuck down. I love
going down there, my whole family down there.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Now.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
My favorite lie used to be that I was born
in Highland Hospital, and I barely made it out.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
I was saying, I love just a little like a
little fun, Like I love a little fun. It's like,
if you're not from here, you're not fucking from here. Epis.
But I'm gonna keep lying, No, that's real.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
And I was gonna, yeah, not to cut you off,
but I was also gonna say, I think it's important
for folks to also understand. And this is what I
also have to tell people. You know, we had an
episode a couple weeks ago when we were talking about
the so Cal lie. Right, there's a lot of folks
who glamorize southern California and this idea of what southern
California is, And when you talk about that politic, I
often think we have to also name that la is
very white in the sense of who we give space

(24:23):
to to be able to be queer and trans and
who we don't. And I think that that is also
a part of what you're saying, at least that's what
I hear. I don't want to make assumptions or put
words in your mouth, but I feel like there is
this certain element around white and I say white in
terms of like whiteness. There's just this element that black
trans girls don't really get to be in the way

(24:44):
that the white industry influencer girls in southern California.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
So I believe, I believe. Yeah, I just want to.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Say, I really love you talk about Oakland. So I'm
from the Bay. I'm from East Pay like and I'm
really I'm not from Oakland because they're company, yeah, East Bay,
but but but a subur of Okland off the Bark
train really because but like I know, I never hear

(25:14):
when to talk about Ukland in that way, and that
to me, like it made me because like it's a
place that I grew up going to that was so
richy black and like yes in some cases like hellowhood,
hello dangerous sometimes but also like hello beautiful and Hella
like like like just Hella in general.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
And so.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
It's really like it's it's especially you can talk about
it because like I mean, I go back. I go
back to the Bay at least like once a quarter.
Like all my siblings are there, I have a lot
of friends there. To me, it's place where I will
always feel like a piece of myself, and like living
in San Diego, like people in people people people people
in East Bay just built different than people say Diego,

(25:54):
and so much nasty and like wants to want to
differently see me outside. But let me say right now,
we're differ, we're not We're not the same. And so
being there is as a home. But people who as
people who like flock there now, who like who like
love this version of Oaklan that isn't the version that
to me is like the true black version. So here
you talk about Israel special to me makes you feel
so happy. So I feel like no one ever gives

(26:15):
upland the love that deser's not way it gives us flowers.
And to hear that saves you, right, like people will
say oka save them and kill them or hurt them,
right and hearing say it saves you with such a beautiful,
beautiful way to but we also have to name that anyway,
and This is what I tell people all the time.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
People would big up Sam Bernardino or you know, certain
parts of victor Ville or whatever the case may be,
if there weren't that many black people there. We always
get these kind of reputations because Oakland gets these components
again because there's a high black population there.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
And so I'm you know, I know, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I know y'all looking at me like, who that must
be a social justice gaily, Like, yes, I am a
social justice curly, But I think facts are facts, like
you can't talk about Obviously, you're gonna talk about the
beauty because again that's who we are, you know. But
I think the world talks about Oakland in that vein
because again they don't see the beauty in Black.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Beast the way we do, you know, so they Yeah,
I mean like to me, like you don't know barbecue
until you go to every Angel's barbecue and it's still there.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Like think I'm trying to get.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Anybody here sunset until like merit sunset, Like they're just
there are certain things that you just don't know until
that part. Okay, So the question I want to get
to get into with you is your background is in
communal communal liberation work, and you've named that lot of
work now is also focused on liberation itself, which I
think is really beautiful because I do believe that you
can't liberate your you can't liberate others if you aren't

(27:34):
libering yourself or the function of freedomister free others.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
And so I want to I want you to.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
I want to want you to tell us about where
you find yourself in the movement today and what the
self liberation.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Look like for you. Oh you like y'all so much, geez.
I mean, I think.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
My relationship to the work now is very complicated. I
think I think I don't know. I've been trying to
transition into and like really like hold myself in the
space of doing more like ancestral work and spiritual work, because.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I think like going to Oakland. Going to Oakland saved
my life.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
And then I started practicing and tigitionally African religion, and
I've been a crownd priests for a half of the
years and that has also saved my life.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
And I think, like all of how do I say this?

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Everything I do is offering a tool or offering the
tools of like the own my own survival of the
things that I've used, of the things that I still
use of, Like I know I exist in all of
these different like intersections, and like I know, I know,
I know the like experience of a person that like,
well listen, nothing in the things, but I know, you know,

(28:43):
But yeah, I think like I think now my truthfully,
like I'm focused on my lineage. I'm thinking about my
fact like moved my mom and my sister with me
like a year some change ago. My mom has been
one of my parents have been addicts my whole life
and like deeply impacted and I really my work now
is like I was exhausted for a really really long

(29:06):
time and I started organizing when I was really young,
and I yeah, I just I exist in it every day.
And so it got to a point where I was like, fuck,
like I know that none of us will probably see
the catalyst of the work that we're doing in this lifetime, right,
And it was hard to hold on to the idea

(29:27):
that like this work is great and other folks get
to stand on the shoulders of it.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
But also it was just it was just exhausting.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
And I think now I've moved into more of like this,
like spirituality, realm. And I've realized that, like again going
back to like the clay pot, like I really got it.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I got it. I I all of these things that
I'm fighting on.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Like a legislative, like a legislative uh forefront, like it's
still deeply impacting my family on an everyday basis. And
now I'm like, oh, yeah, I got to take care
of my mom, y'all. Like I need to get that
lady's over. I need to make sure she got housing.
I needed to make sure my little sister got a
roof of her head and she got somebody looking after her.
And I need to make sure that, like I'm doing
what I need to do to get my little credit
and because the girl, no, you know, I never did

(30:06):
my taxes. I'm trying to do my taxes, you know
what I mean, Like so I can get my little
house and my.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Here all of it.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
But yeah, like I'm trying to I'm trying to set
that I want to like write this little book. I
want to have like tangible like passive income and like
spaces and like I need I want to have my
little babies, and I want to make sure that I
have like a thriving beautiful like a little funky queer
trans you know what I mean, community for them to
exist in and to fall into.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
And like that's what the work looks like for me now.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
It's like building things that that are going to change
the trajectory of like my lineage because I'm still I'm
still healing that now and in my everyday life, you know,
I struggle with addiction every day I live.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
It's outside you in the hood. Still, like I.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Still, I still you know. So yeah, I mean I
think and obviously too, like just like doing like poetry things,
and I think, like I think, how do I say this?
My politic and my practices will always inform the art
that I do, and I think that is like, yeah,

(31:18):
I think it's like familiar work and like lineage work,
and then like the poetry art things and offering as
much tools and creating space and and and doing that
forefront and having those conversations and like because a lot
of times when people bring me out, it's I don't
want to say like the varsity higher but a lot.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Of times like like a you know what I mean,
like a campus will bring me out.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Because Ben Shapiro was just on a campus a week ago,
so they like, bring Bay out because she's gonna bring
the dolls out.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Da da da da, she go create this space.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yeah, so a lot of a lot of my like
work is like doing the poetry thing, but also I'm
really just having like conversations with like a lot of
young queer and trans folks in the crowd that be
at these colleges that don't really have what we have,
you know what I mean. So yeah, I think that's
it now, Like I think before it was more like
I'm trying to amend Min's book forty five before and

(32:08):
now I'm like, I need to see the best that
I live in Ohio that don't got nobody and I
need to let her know how to say this and
this and this and this and this.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
You know.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Yeah, I need to see my mom every day and
make sure that she's good. I need to make sure that,
you know what I mean, that's my point.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I'm for sure that oh I know that feeling so
well you know, before we so we we do got
to go to another break. But I was gonna say
the question that I do want to ask you before
we move on, is really thinking about you know, to
your point, I've been saying this so much in the
last couple of months, and I've even said it on
the air, you know, my folks, for everybody who listens to,

(32:42):
everybody who knows I do work for an LGBTQ, you
know organization, and I do a lot of stuff around politics,
and I'm always constantly in the mind of like, we
got to watch this, and we got to watch that,
and da da da da, And my mind can constantly
be in this kind of way of thinking about how
do you know, how do I protect my babies locally?

Speaker 1 (32:58):
How do I protect them nationally? Right?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
But I'm also thinking about this idea of like how
do I inspire folks who are watching me, who are
watching Joel, who are watching the show, how do I
inspire them to not constantly get locked into this constant
place of fear and worry. And so I guess the
question that I wanted to ask you before we move
on is how do you kind of keep your sense
of levity in a time right now where it feels

(33:23):
like you're constantly always on guard, like what's bringing you joy,
what's keeping you rounded, what's keeping you at peace? Because
I think babies and that's like to your point, the
notes we get in our inbox are not from the
girls in Los Angeles. They're not from the girls in
Florida or from the girls in New York. We're getting
emails from people in like South Dakota. They're in the Midwest,

(33:45):
and they're hitting us and saying thank you for your
show because I don't have nothing out here, you know,
and they're wondering, like, who's for me right now?

Speaker 1 (33:53):
So I would love to hear that from you. What's
the question? The question the baby? Yeah, baby is the question? Yeah,
the question is how we grounded and how we keep
How do you just stay grounded? Bitch? How do you

(34:13):
think that's how it is?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
You?

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Those converse? How is outside on Saturday? The bag home
for church on Sunday? Yeah, I mean I'm real good. Actually,
the church students, that's a joy that I found.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Uh, a black parent and trans like Christian church. Oh yes, girl,
I'll be in there. I've never been around so many
black trans elders in my life, and I love them
a little messy old ladies, my goodness, they might I
love you, sister Kim, and I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, sister is my Carol.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
But they do like a really good job of like
blending the what is my my church name? Damn, I
wish I knew the name, but yeah, they do a
really good job of like blending the like very traditional
and it makes my ascess're so happy. Yeah, they do
a really good job of lending these like traditional pieces
of Christianity with the more like metaphysical like spiritual things,
and they even like talking about and then also it's

(35:16):
always existing under the umbrella of like really like tangible
praxies like we're they're always talking about like like trans
folks and like queer folks, and like what needs to
be done, and like they're always saying visibly looking at
them you want everythink that they on the way that
they on. They always are saying the right fucking thing.
And I think that's brought me so so much joy
because because again, this is a place where I'm being

(35:37):
poured into by elders and by spirit and am heard
and am safe and am fed, and I don't have a.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Lot of those places. For keep it a brain of
a church.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
I'll be I'll be in there, wiling out, crying and
jumping and clapping.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
To the side.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yes, ma'am, I'll be in there acting the ass even.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Ain't no sweat your lace.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
If you walk out of church and your lace not lifting,
you not praising correctly, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
That is That is the key. That is very much
your key. That's like going to a Beyonce concert sitting down.
What are you doing? What are you doing? Some people
don't some people don't know God, don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
People do not know, don't You can always tell with
the don't know God, like the same way you always
tell when somebody never got the ass be you could
tell what somebody don't know God.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
You can always say about this episode, you don't know
that you don't. Come on, come on. Yeah, that is
such a thing.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
That is such a key before we go, before we
go to commercial. This is so improblemed to But I
want to ask you can as well too. But I'm
curious if you if you if you mind giving an
except of your work that you performed. I think, oh yeah,
be so beautiful and special. And they want for us
to hear about also, I would love for the listeners
to the show to take to hear.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
You the wather.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
I would love that actually, mm hmmm. I do a
fool pease because I don't know how to do it.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, listen, I don't know how.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
We got time only three minutes long.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
It's our show. We got time. We got time, Joe,
we got time, okay, he said, he yeah, thank you.
Please we got answer. Answer, thank you, thank you. Keep

(37:40):
that please keep that recording. Believe screaming. This is a
new phone, actually new ship. Yes, up, breaking voices, turn
me out. That's the first time I'm excited to keep okay.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
So there is there's a fine line between uh oh,
hold on.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
There's a fine line between.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
A hypothesis with supported and documented analysis, keyword being documented
analysis which will be studied and cited and well respected,
used to shape culture, an identity or lack thereof.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
And I will stand in a room.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Of one hundred people that don't know a trick from trade,
who will look down their nose at me, who will
look down their nose and me quoting theory, quoting theory
as if I don't know it in praxies, as if
Marsha was the last woman to throw a brick, like
I don't got that shit on me right now, as
if every time I walk out my front door, I
am not a ship at storm Tassi blanketed under the

(38:46):
weight of waves, and what good, my god, what good
is the lighthouse of language? If none of us can
understand it? We who war has been waves? As if
we are not this sure, the current has crashed on
you know. I read somewhere that to support a theory
higher this is this empirical evidence must be gathered through
testing and observation. The evidence should be the evidence should just,
the evidence should how it goes? Damn. Look and this

(39:09):
is where I forgot it last time. You remember when
I lost this phone. M. The evidence should demonstrate there ago.
The evidence should demonstrate validity across conditions. Uh, validity across conditions. God,
that might be it for me.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Hold on, M.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
That was an excerpt. So this is what we're listeners.
You like the entire thing that you just heard, Yes, yes,
we will put your email.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
So if you like what you heard, being black, we
adjust just real quick.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
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Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah, Chris, it's a breaking news bringing news Power the
Pivot by John.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
God, we gotta take a quiper, y'all, tekiki a little
bit outside of the studio.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
We come back.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
We're gonna come in with some don't love yourself back
in just a second. Okay, fan, we are black again
because we'recording the last day of Black her History Month.
Though we are black fat five us. We said earlier,
I would love for us to do an ode to

(40:38):
blackness with today's go love yourself? What's the blessing you
could offer black folks, including ourselves today, And that's that's
why that's what I want for me. I will offer
black folks that offer us black people, my people. We
are truly unlimited. Every day.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Okay, that's all we can sing before we assue, but
go on, sorry you're listening, Please come to every day.
You know. I seen her downtown recently. You know the fine.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
I already knew it was fine and she could do
anything she wants. She could keep Palma Kak anything you
want from Adam. I've seen her in downtown. I didn't
know it's Palmer. I was looking at I said, God, damn,
that woman is fine.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
I said, that is kiky fucking pole. You're poor, That's
really what it is. You ain't ugly, you just poor. Okay,
every day know what listen, this, this.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
This is underscores that every day, we demonstrate an endless
capacity for speaking truth to power, for finding laughter and despair,
am creating enjoy where there is none, but we never
forget how liberated we are than ourselves. That'd be the
best and that I would offer us, John, how about you?

Speaker 4 (42:04):
You know?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
So for me, I was on a podcast actually this week,
and I was talking about some other stuff. I can't
say the name of the podcast because it hasn't officially
dropped yet, but it is our sister podcast on our
sister network.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I think I saw.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
You did yes, And so, with all that to be said,
they had asked this question specifically around black joy, and
I said, if you have never been in a room
full of black people laughing, or you've never been in
a room full of black queer people laughing, you have
never lived, you have never been blessed, you have never
been given that opportunity to just be your authentic self.

(42:39):
And so I think for me, I would love to
say on the last day of Black History, specifically, even
just thinking about this time, like I understand we're all
in a place where we're probably more concerned than we
are more joyful. But I'm hoping that there's more space
for us to be able to just be in community
and just laugh and just eat and just be be
me see be you know, be hood be you know,

(43:03):
you know, you know, run your head, you know, run
your hands through your hair, and it gets stopped a
little bit and you go, oh, I got to entangle
this a little bit more like just be able to
just know.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Not looking forward to I broke three prongs off my pic,
I said, just released a new one, so you gotta know.
But all that to be said, I think that's my truth.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Like my truth is really like if you I want,
I wish upon you the ability to be able to
laugh loud and to be able to feel safe while
you're laughing loudly from a place of joy.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
A them. What about.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Blessing to black folks, I think like a reminder and
an affirmation. I think we talk about all of these
different ways to like exercise liperation, how to do the work,
and how to be in community and how to be
in space and how to be a proper ally or whatever.
And I just want to affirm folks that like all
of that praxies and all of that knowledge and all

(44:09):
of that information already exists in you ancestrally, like we
already know how to love, We already know what it
is to be free and to be liberated, and to
be in space and to be in love and to
be in community with each other. Like that's that's something.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
That you can't be taught. You can't learn that.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
That just is.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
And even what you were saying being in the room
and laughing, that's praxie. That's the work, that's the joy,
that's the that's you know what I mean, Like that
just exists in you. It ain't no nothing, ain't no textbook,
ain't no classroom, ain't no fucking post on Instagram. Like
that's in your bones, that's in your DNA. And I
feel like we forget this sometimes and we police each
other and they get a little spooky.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
But that's, you know what I mean, we all know.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, I was gonna say, that's that black telepathy we'd
be talking about. We have a whole episode where we
talk about black teleopathy.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
The poem that I've dropped, I fucked up, I swear
to God it later on I say the same thing. Yeah,
that's what that whole about.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, it is this idea that three or four black
people could just look at each other and I say
nothing and know exactly what everybody is saying.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Uh huh, yes ma'am. How much of a blessing that is?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Well, I am really grateful that we were able to
bestow this, and again, Black history is three sixty five,
and I'm so glad that folks can take from this
conversation and have this in their back pocket. So with
that being said, now that we all have been blessed
with this segment, we are going to take a break
and when we get back, we're gonna jump into our
yes ma'am and our no man Pam segment more to say,

(45:37):
all right, y'all, so we are getting back to y'all's
favorite segment, which is yes ma'am, no man Pam.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
We all know what that is.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yes, ma'am is when we throw, when we give people
their flowers. No, ma'am is when we hit them with them.
And so with this being said, this week, I wanted
to pick up doctor John's from the National Black Justice
Coalition and Raquel Willis, who were featured in different variations,
but they were all featured with The Times.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I'm not gonna lie. This is a huge who's dream
of mine?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
To be affiliated with time in some type of capacity,
and so to see too yeah for us, right, like
kidding up right, best podcast something or whatever the case.
Maybe I'm gonna speak that out to so the universe
can hear us. But I say that to say, like,
it's really cool to see two people that you know
both and it's not even like I know them, like
I know them, like doctor John's has been somebody who

(46:22):
helped me through my dissertation process, and Roquel Willis is
a really good friend of mine who helped me through
my book process. Like just seeing people you look up
to who basically are being noted for the great work
that they're doing, it moves me beyond words. So I
just want to say big ups to them. And I'm
so happy that to see that they are getting again,
they're getting their flowers now. This week, I wanted to say,

(46:43):
no manpas. So I've been saying this a lot, and
it is what it is, and I'm gonna just keep
saying it. My NOMADPAM this week is just oppression and
white fragility. You know. I keep thinking about how like
even now, like not even just the whole you know,
twenty twenty of it all rather the twenty twenty five
of it. All right, that whatever document it's called, I
don't even know the name of it, but all that
to say, like you're you're so hateful that you're trying

(47:05):
to get rid of PBS, Sesame Street or even even
thinking about I don't know if you all saw, but
that de I think from the education like, it's no,
it's not d I dot ed dot gov. And basically
people can go in and report if they see educator,
like they see an educator, or they see a school
or any type of educational establishment teaching something that can

(47:25):
be considered de I.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
People can like just like what what's right? Like literally
like how And I know people, how did we get here?
We know how we got here.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
But I think the biggest thing for me is just
like I hate living on this timeline. So that's where
I'm at.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
What about you? Truly?

Speaker 3 (47:44):
I know I sometimes a sibynight being like, no, I
know somewhere in some different universe that journalism in his
best life.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Yeah, like he's out.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Here having my tie somewhere married to I know, that's right,
your words, your lists, Okay, there's somebody, just somebody, Okay,
So my yes, is gonna be it. It's it's gonna
be our to our guest. But it was different before.
But after he speak with us today, I just like

(48:13):
I have to say it because I the past year
I've been I've been working with myself to experience the
divine daily experience some rision of the divine daily and
clean with you today has been that experience for me.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Amen, Amen, you can feel it.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
It's like everything like like right, like like like knowing
that us picture working to do that you do, interestrum
working that you do, work connected with divinity itself. Like
this room right now feels like it feels like divinity
just all around us, like I I know God, I know,
I know my connection to spirit, and it feels so
enriched by by having you here today with us, just

(48:49):
like seeing you, seeing you be you, seeing you from
from my hope, I see, like feel safe with us
and feel cumb especially after you talked about like not
like not always feeling held and supported in like whe
where you are. Like feeling that today feels really special.
So I have to yes you could you just everything
and I'm so thankful you're not You're on thew today
and I really I'm excited. I'm excited just to stay

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connected with you, and I really hope I get to
see all the ways in which you transform the world.
The world around you.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Can not just say real quick.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
So I'm a chocolate lover. Do you the Divinity puff
from seased candy. That's what's given in this room. It's
just if you've never.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Had it and I have to go. That's what I
ask for. Change your life.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
My my friend works at one Carlos.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
If you this at all, baby, come get give me,
give me a little divin puff, change my life, my
life please?

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Okay? So and so my nomam Pam.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
So I have some things about this. My pam is
to the pursing of trans folks trans transit service members
from the military. And let me let me first say
I have no allegiance to the military or any system
of balance. I believe sism bands and truth be told
anyone who wants to know the military. I'm like, why,
I have questions for you.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
But.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
My lens of liberation means that support any Marsians person
and their right to exercise their rights, even if I've
fundamentally did disagree with them. So you know, if That's
that's why I believe in I have to put put
in practice. So transfers being purged from the military does
not so well with me in any way. It makes
me fear about what's coming next for our siblings and

(50:29):
the whole like lg Q plus me at large.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
But like I just like, first of.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
All, I had to ask, like the ministration, you keep
firing people, but like there's no one left at this point,
so like you like like you claim that we have
we have a strong defense system that we have, that
we have a great climate system that we have we
will actually it's a lot because you don't believe in
climate at all, but you know we have great X

(50:56):
y Z system, but like no one's there run the system.
So like what like it's just like how me understand
the process?

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Like walk me through what the thinking.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Is for this, but just like like just like name
him to the mistress in general, but particularly that that
really made me feel there's a lot of types of ways,
like if folks want to give themselves in service, is
not on me to to stop them. And people believe.
People believe in this country. Again, I asked you why,
but people believe in this country and they want and
they want to fight for it. Then like then they

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should be able to.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Listen again, not my decision, not you know, not my
about and you won't find me there.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Like if this is your journior, girl, support, you will
see me coming and pupping with them with the raffles
in my hands.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Not today. Let me say, I don't even do camping.
It's too close people. People are camping.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
I'm like a hotel.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Correct me, Like, women never hire me. Adjacent to the woods.
I want to see stars. I'm gone. I want to
see a tree anywhere. All the trees are not your friends, girl.
I went to the woods. I did a show her
Humble a couple of weeks ago. Girl, Look, the trees
was beautiful. I got into the woods. I was crying.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
I said, wow, this is so nice. I got on
a little swing. I broke all my nails. I said,
the tree is not is not for you? Girls, No,
i'd my finger.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
I can't bury. But I wasn't even I was on
a on a trail and it was the easiest track.
I couldn't bring. The girls that I was with was like,
this is so beautiful and nice. I was like, bitch,
right for the city for real?

Speaker 3 (52:41):
How do I see a national park.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
The tree to give me a return? I just need
a new set a settlement for real dollars. When I
got that, how about your baby? My yes, ma'am is,

(53:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
I just keep a Black Joy Parade and that's that's
my That was my first time going into Black Joy
Parade and I hosted.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
One of the stages. Can I ask, does that happen
every year?

Speaker 4 (53:16):
I want to say yes. I feel like it's an
annual thing because they asked me to come on a
handful of years ago. But I got COVID girl, and
I couldn't go. Oh it was okay, yeah, yeah. I
never thought I was gonna get my taste or my
smell back. But I'll be sniffing down I I'll be
I came out right.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
I have to pause like an old Dell computer and
be telling people that's COVID. I know it's COVID because
I'd be so.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Blagging no what I want to Oh my god, I'm
starting blaming.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
My college half of the years ago a bittional bufferings
I had COVID three years.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Just give me like, oh, I know what I want to.
That's covid. Covid would do you, Yeah, Black girth Garade
is my yes, ma'am. I had a good old time
there and it was really beautiful. It was just really beautiful,
really impactful.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Also felt very ancestral, very free, very nice. My no, ma'am,
what's my no, ma'am? You know what my no man is?
I'm tired of expensive little coffee shops on every corner.
I feel I feel like.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
That's like, that's that's what's it called. That's white people's
liquor stores, you know what I mean. And I'm tired.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
I'm tired of coming in and I'm tired of paying
ten dollars for my little lavender latte.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
And it's not even good. I fear on her pitch.
She don't. It's fucking me up. Like I'm tired. I'm tired.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
I will have ten dollars.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yes, with the blue little streak and hen party were
coming to Soft Drop. That's the name of them. It's
Vegan freem. I need some glued. I need the gluten.
I don't care where to come from. I don't know
what it looked like behind something. You need something.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
I'm just that And that's why I say just closed
now across the street from last Echo park On said
little Biggest why no more wasn't included and they for
and that coffee was expensive and it wasn't sweet enough.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Yeah. Amen, Yeah, I'm right there with you.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
That part, that part gentrification is what's you know? Ever
since they took the trans fats out of our stuff,
the world ain't been right. Put the trans back in the.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Fat, thank you? Yeah amen, trans back jack the fact
I like that the trans I need a little MSG.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
I am not afraid, yea.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Even though we got our got our editor messed up.
I'm so sorry she got you messed up.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Is not here like that, Chut.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
I love you and I hope you don't quit Chris
christ up quick and being mad at me. I'm sorry, Chris,
I love you. You know it's all love. But she's
staying on my text messing Chris. Chris is messy to
don't let her get.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Chris Kenvin defend him, suffer now texts talking ship about me.
So I got you, I love you.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Kick all right, y'all we are literally screaming. So with
that being said, we're at the end of the show.
Please send us your thoughts, your feedback in your email
to black fatsimpod at gmail dot com. You can also
send us your thoughts in your by using our social
on social media. We are on Instagram, We're on Blue Sky.
We're also on the Tics of the Talks. I don't
know how long we'll be on there, but you can
use the handle black sat sam Pod. With that being said, Babe,

(56:55):
where do you want to be found?

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Instagram? By Davis on Instagram?

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Don't go to my Twitter or my TikTok, respectfully, you
could visit me in my email though. My email is
by Davis M G M T at gmail dot com.
Find a little orger of foundation or somebody that got
some funding, come see me.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
I come to if you take me.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yes, miss.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
The media. Yea, I had a good time. Yes, yeah,
you already with you? You had to kiss yet I
would be right with you gun travel line a couple
of times.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yes, I still have a dream to get down to
what's that gag club with the with the honand Gate club.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
What was the name of that gay club? Anybody if
the name of that club? Yes, it is a Yes,
I've been wanting to boy, yes, God, I've been wanting
to go find some don't. They don't like here, but
but I want to go. I'm even clicking at my

(58:22):
back like she's like, but I forgot we was in.
I feel like we was with the girls. I was like, yes, girl,
let's go go down to what. I don't know the
name of this place, but I do want to go.
And I'm gonna take my husband with me. But we go. Yeah,
we take our man. Yeah, we're gonna all get a
little man together. Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
And we don't come and go down to the to
Haano Mexican God, Santa Monica. Yes, God man, Yes, Joe.
Where do you want to be found?

Speaker 1 (58:56):
That god?

Speaker 3 (59:01):
You know, like when you smile some mush you can't
stop smiling because it physically hurts.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
That was the key. Yeah, that was great much, Oh
my god. People you can find me. You can find me.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
You can find me jos a gross all socials barely
if I have them a lot to this. You can
find me at Joan Nills dot com. You can email
me as well from there too. If you've seen besides,
have you seen me at the color shop or ordering
my loving.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Or pay for the drink?

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I'll happy, have my happy, had my all v ingrass
blah blah blah, whatever it is. Whoop woop for my
little drink.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Okay, I hate you so much. I hate it. Yes,
well you know I'm still so.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
I'm still trying to break free from the place that
shall not be named on our podcast because they're not
paying us. I'm trying to make free from them, and
one day they will let me out of their grip.
But until then, you can catch me telling people to
buy this damn book. We are less than twenty five
days away. Please go get your copy of Black Fat Fam.

(01:00:13):
You can get it anywhere where you buy your books.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Other than that, you will watch up or or visit
you at your first book Bust Los Angeles on March
twenty fifth.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
You will see me there for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I listened to all the info and dudeo, there is
a tour. So if you go to my website and
you go to my Instagram, we've announced some of the
dates where we're going to be for the next couple
of months, and there are more dates that will be added.
I also want to tell people too, I've been getting
a lot of dms with people being like, are you
coming to my city? Are you baby? Book tours are
not funded by the publisher. They are funded by the author.

(01:00:51):
So if you want me to come to your city,
I just I want us to sit with that. If
you want me to come to your city, you got
to help me find a coin to get there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Want to say that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
At y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Yeah, looking at y'all me in your city. Let's let's
work together. We try to get me there. Otherwise you
will find me laid out on my couch watching the
White Mess known as the White Lotus.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
This season is good. I've been hearing this season. This
is interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
It makes you uncomfortable, no way, but like it's but
it's the show, but it's no white just saying shout
out to Natasha ros Well. But also Belinda is is
different than how she was in season one. I was like, Blinda,
you never talked that. There's a I mean, maybe she's
on vacation now so she can ye.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I was like, Blinda, you have to different. But this
show is good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
But it's just it's just so interesting. But can I
say the scene with the with the scenes with the
white woman like talking about each other but but not yeah, genius,
that was like that was very much what the way
it gives one girlies. She looks so great and I'm tired.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Don't let me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Yeah, so I do want to say shout out. You know,
my prayers are with Michelle trackton Berg and and it
doesn't make me really sad that she's no longer with us,
but people have been doing that, you know, Oh she
passed away.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Well she didn't look well anywhere, And I'm like, can
we just yeah, can't. We're a qualifier if we don't
need that. I look good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
I did look good, my god.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
So anyway, that's me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I'm I'm laying down on the couch watching TV this
weekend and trying to catch up. I tried to get
into Paradise. I'm still trying, still trying to get into Paradise.
Keyword no shade, because you know, I know people own
that show. I'm just saying I struggled with the first episode,
but I'm going to try to get into that show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
But that's where I'm who Paradise.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Is not so Michael kay Sterling, Yeah, Michael, Yeah, he's
on the show called Paradise on Hulu.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Is it a similar is its or no?

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
So it's very much giving. So the I guess the
plot line is uh, sterling k. Brown was kind of
like the protector slash the President's like ex presidents.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Yeah, situation and the president.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Something happens to the president, and then it's it's all
about what is happening around that. I will also say,
if you have not watched what was the that other show?
I can see the title in my head. It's on
Amazon and it is uh has a black lead on it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
What is the name of that show? The one with
svern Cox. No no, no, no, no, no, no no.
And I'm watching that but like by episode or is it? Like, hm,
what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
What is?

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Yes? But today.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Today, but tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow. But you know you
also can't you can downloaded onto like an iPad of
your phone and then that way you can watch and
give them the streams tomorrow when you're on the plane
wherever you're going.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Can I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Was trying to I'm trying to help you, help you.
That's really what this conversation is. What is the name
of that damn show on Amazon? I wish I could grab.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
My phone, but I can't find you said, black.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Black, Black Show. I watched the entire season and it
was so good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
That's not Harlem now, so there is again he he
was a cop and his wife murder. This is on
Amazon Prime and the whole Black Show. It's a totally
black show. He wasn't a cop and he was known
for being able to solve cases that other people couldn't seve,
and so someone murders his wife and it's about him

(01:05:08):
trying to figure out who did it and why they
did it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
I loved, I loved.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Yeah, I like drama.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Don't watch. This is very very off off watch did
ye Louisiana? Okay? On location? Yeah? Yeah, so that's where
I was raised and were Lynce. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
So I can't think of the name of When I
figure out what it is, it'll probably be next episode,
I'll mention it again and I'll tell people to watch it.
Or if you're a listener and you know what the
show is, you can just go ahead and get yeah

(01:06:00):
show to watch. Yes, Cross Watch'll got Cross, You got
Clean Slate, you can you can.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Watch White Lotus if you want to, but you don't
have to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
But those are all three shows that I can tell
y'all right now that I have watched that are absolutely amazing.
So with that being said, yeah, I guess we can
go ahead and wrap it up. We want to thank
our producer, Bay Wang.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Who is in the room with us. Yes, let me
let me tell y'all so you know, I'll say this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
This is the first produced podcast that I've had in
a very long time. I don't get to tell Bay
in person how just amazing they are as a producer often,
so I just want to say thank you in person,
Bay for riding for us, for pushing for us, for
constantly making sure that this show keeps going, and you
just you do such an amazing job with keeping us together,

(01:06:53):
and so just thank you for that. I also want
to shout out Will Will. You've been such a big
help and been just just a great person. For those
of you who don't know who Will is. Will Pearson
has been is the person who runs all of iHeart
podcasts and has been really good to us and continues
to keep us up and going. And so we're thank
you for We're thankful for you too well and everyone
else over at I Heeartana, I'm thinking about Becca, just

(01:07:16):
everybody y'all are also amazing. Thank you for helping us
keep the show up and running. We also like to
shout out our wonderful editor, which we've done quite a
bit this episode, Chris Rogers, because without.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Him there would be no show or visuals. Giselle, I'm
not playing with.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
You looking at you girl.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
We're still looking at you, Beyonce, I.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Got my tickets, but I'm still looking at you, still
looking at you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
But I'll be there. We need the visuals because at
this point it's been too long. It's not me, it's
not me playing in my fucking face about it. But

(01:08:00):
I know you, I know you. Yes, ain't diva?

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
My god, this has been another show. Stay black, that
sim and fabulous, and remember, drink some water. We made
out sorry, let me reset that all right. With that
being said, that has been another show. Stay black, faus fabulous,
and remember we may.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Not be a cup of tea, but drink some water.
Your ant's probably needed anyway, and love us for real. Bye,