September 18, 2023 • 22 mins
A.R. Shaw, Executive Editor of Atlanta Daily World joins host Ramses Ja on today's podcast to review some of the top stories that made headlines over the weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Here at the Black Information Network, we know how important
it is for you to start your week off energized, engaged,
and enlightened. There are always major stories that break over
the weekend, and we feel you should know about the
ones we are talking about today.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So stay tuned for our weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Recap featuring author of the book Trap History and executive
editor of Atlanta Daily World, mister A. R.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Shaw. This is the.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Black Information Network Daily Podcast and I am your host,
ramses Jah. All right, mister A. R. Shaw, welcome back
to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
How you been man?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Man, it's good man. It's a lot going on this weekend.
Ready to dive into it?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
All right? Well, I won't keep the people waiting. Let's
do it.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
First up, the thing that's been making huge waves across
the music industry is jan Winner apologized for saying black
and female musicians aren't articulate enough for his new book.
So first off, give a little bit of background on
this story and then we'll talk about that one.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, of course, Jane. He's the co founder of the
Rolling Stone UH, probably the most popular music magazine in
the history of the nation, and he's writing a book
basically interviewing UH celebrities, uh in the music industry. Bono.
I think Paul McCartney. I think it's several prominent art
towns and yeah, yeah, so and one of them. You know,
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he was interviewed by the Times and they asked him,
you know, why are there any black artists or women artists,
uh included in his book, And basically he stated that
they don't have the articulation to my in my opinion,
I guess in my guests that to uh describe what
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I guess the music that they create. Uh. But it
was an avert racist statement, and of course, uh, the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame removed him from the board.
He he Uh. He had to put an apology that
he put out there, but we all got to go
with the first initial statement because we think that's really
(02:08):
how he truly feels. You know, he's seventy seven years old,
he's been in the music industry for decades, and for
him to have this type of sentiment towards black artist
says a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah yeah. And one of the things that.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So I couldn't figure out for the life of me
how he could say something so ignorant. And you know,
when you think of rolling Stone, Rolling Stone. The cover
of Rolling Stone has featured black artists going back as
long as I can remember. You know, Rolling Stone is
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the same magazine that put Jimmy Hendricks at the number
one list of guitar players of all time, right and so,
and several times they've done that. And so for me,
I'm like, how could the owner and the founder say
something like this? And then I tried to, like, I guess,
(03:10):
read between the lines maybe or try to reinterpret what
he was trying to say, because how it came across
is that black people. As you mentioned, black people aren't
articulate enough. But what I ended up finding, which doesn't
make it better, But what I think he was trying
to say was that these white artists, these white male artists,
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articulated what was going on at the time that they
were creating the albums. They were articulating what was happening
in the country better than anyone else. And there were
no black artists or women artists that he found that
articulated the moment in the culture, in the moment in
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rock and roll history, or something like that. Right again,
which the people who are the best articulators of rock
and roll are the people who founded it. So we'll
start in the conversation there those are black people. That
is well documented beginning and end of a conversation.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I don't want to hear about Elvis. I don't want
to hear about Pete Townsend.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
But I think that's what he was trying to say,
and that was the only way I could reconcile the
same person who again put Jimmy Hendrix at number one,
with a person who would say something so ignorant, which
it's still incredibly ignorant, but his opinion at least, you know,
his wrong opinion.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
At least there was He.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Wasn't just spewing some crazy nonsense. Well I guess he
was spewing crazy nonsense.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I don't know. It was very, very troubling for me,
as you can tell. But I do want to add
to that.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I read his apology, and his apology sounded well crafted.
It was not sincere. It was not oh my god,
this is not in all me, this is not It
wasn't anything like that. I didn't feel the emotion. It
was well crafted, almost like he sat with a pr
(05:08):
form and.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
They you know what I mean, like it It was
very robotic. There was it was soulless.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Okay, I'll say that, and and then I want to
go back to the beginning that New York Times interview,
and I want to pull something that he said, because
not only did he said that that black artists and
women artists at two different times in the same interview,
he said that neither were articulate enough to make their
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way into his book, but then he doubled down.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So there's a third time.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
In the interview when he's like, this is really how
I feel, and I want to share this with you
and with our listeners. He says, maybe I should have
gone and found one black and one woman artist to
include here that didn't measure up to that same historical standard,
just to avert this kind of criticism. And then he
(05:57):
goes on to say, which, I get it, I had
a chance to do that. Maybe I'm old fashioned and
I don't give a expletive or whatever. So the apology
that followed this doesn't hold up to that. There's the
emotion right there, right. The apology was entirely soulless. And
I hope nobody buys his book and he dies in
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the chain. Anyway, moving on, let's talk about Tyler Perry
and what's been going on in the headlines with him.
He has been getting dragged on Twitter after encouraging black
women to find love with less paid men.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So give us a bit more on this one.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, I think Tyler Perry, he's says something that's going
to always cause HYS theory in the black community.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Well, let's go back into the the initial quote. So
the initial quote that he uses that you know, you know,
you have to find someone who honors you honest the
how house his wife and because of his gift, his
gift might not be your gift. That is okay, that's
not somebody that's beneath you. That's somebody who came to
love you at your worth. So this was Tyler Perry's statement.
(07:14):
Of course, he caught backlash on social media. You know,
several individuals saying that black women shouldn't have to compromise
who they are. And this is in far contrast to
what Ebanie K Williams said a few months ago when
she called backlash for saying that she wouldn't date or
marry a bus driver. Now Tyler Perry is catching flag
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for saying the opposite. But in my opinion, in reality,
there's no panacea to how and who you choose to love.
You know, whether you choose someone who is socially ahead
of you in terms of or equally stoken terms financially
or socially, that's okay, Or if you choose someone who
is not as on part with you from a social standpoint,
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that's okay as well. I just think that people shouldn't
go to social media or media to determine who and
how they love.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, and I think that I'm inclined to agree with you.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I I don't want to touch this conversation with a
ten foot poll. There there's no way to win. And
the sad reality is that you know, you hear it
all the time. We need to talk about this stuff.
We need to have these really important conversations. People need
to know that there's strength in numbers, that they're not
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an outlier, that this is not them breaking with norm
and tradition, that there are other people who are responding to,
you know, this modern version of reality. And yet, and
still every time someone tries to talk about it, every
time somebody tries to provide some alternatives to people's often
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enough static reality, they end up in this situation. We're
looking at here with Tyler Perry. So again I don't
want to touch this in terms of my personal opinions,
but what I will say is that you're right. It
does sit in contrast to what happened with Ebany K Williams.
I didn't even put that together, but you're absolutely right.
(09:12):
And the fact of the matter is that social media
and I found this out recently. You know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Recently. You know, I'm a broadcaster.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I'm a radio personality, so I never looked at my
social media platforms like I really needed to like put
together a concerted effort to accomplish a goal there. You know,
I've always had a big enough audience and felt like
if I say something, there's enough folks to receive it.
But lately I've had to really put some effort into
my social media, you know, and be consistent and be
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present there. And man, it is a very very toxic place,
and people say hurtful things that reflect how they feel
in a fraction of a moment, and rarely do people
kind of have the duality necessary to really understand that
there are at minimum two sides to a conversation, two
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sides to an argument, and allow themselves the capacity to
listen to an alternative view that they eventually may adopt
given the right set of circumstances. And so what I've seen,
certainly in the people responding to Tyler Perry is a
lot of people who are either deliberately misinterpreting what he's
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trying to say, or being argumentative and combative just for
the sake of having a contrarian opinion that they can
get off on social media, or they are not really
understanding the fact that he's not painting with that broad
a stroke. He's not saying all women should do this
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thing all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know what I mean. This is very circumstance. Angel.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
This is you know, hey, look, if this doesn't work out,
don't be afraid of exploring this. Which you know, when
we say it, it sounds like, yeah, that's very reasonable,
But when you know, Twitter gets a hold of it
and they can reinterpret it, then it's it just becomes very,
very toxic. I'm going to share a couple of these
examples before we move on, just to give you an
idea of what I'm talking about. So, there's one person
(11:20):
in hood publicist that says, I don't care what Tyler
Perry says, ain't no way I got. I only got
fifty dollars on the light bill type. I'm gonna paraphrase heer,
ain't no I only got fifty dollars on the light
bill type. Man allowed in my house. I'm perfectly fine
with being single forever. He's not talking to that person.
(11:41):
If they're fine being single forever, then cool. You and
Jesus you know you guys will both be in the
grave together at Missus Bundridge. My thoughts on Tyler Perry
have never wavered. He's a misogynist who lives to humble
black women.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
How about that.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I loathe him and his buffoon alter ego Medea, that
b word made billions at our expense and has the
audacity to want us to all live on love. He
can bite the deepest part of my groin. You say,
how hateful and hurtful that is intended to be?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know what I mean? It's just very, very hurtful.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Made billions at our expense, and he could make any
movies anyone. He could put his talents anywhere. He's trying
to tell black stories, put black actors on you know.
So there's two ways to look at this media stuff
and this Tyler Perry stuff, but they've chosen to look
at it the worst possible way.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I want to share another one here.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
At score po five. Why doesn't a rich black man
like Tyler Perry share knowledge inside and tips to black
men to position themselves to be better providers? Always asking
black women to adjust and accommodate to a patriarch system
we didn't create and is designed against us is insane
to me. I'm not saying that what this person is
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saying factual incorrect, but I'm saying that attacking Tyler Perry
on social media feels like a cheap shot, not for
what he said, but for who he is. Again I'm
not I don't have any any proclamations about what he said,
whether it's right or wrong, but who he is as
a person that just feels a little bit like unfair.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And the list goes on. I'll spell you the rest.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
But the fact of the matter is that it just
is very, very sad to see and to compare it
with what happened with Eman E. K. Williams, because again
she was on the other side of it and she
got dragged to you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
It just there's no.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Winning on the Internet, and it's just it's it's really sad,
no way situation. Black Information Network correspondent and author of
the book Trap History, as well as the executive editor
of Atlanta Daily World, Mister A. Rshaw, joins us today.
All right, in other news, there was a brand new
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Karen this weekend, arrested for holding a black newspaper delivery
driver at gunpoint. Give us more on this story.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, this is another example of a Karen going wild.
Of This was a situation where a black woman was
delivering mail and the Karen followed her around and basically
hild her at gunpoint, stating that she didn't feel safe.
And I know, we make this tongue in cheek thing
about Karen's and kind of laugh at it, but in
(14:24):
all seriously seriousness, this is a black woman who could
have lost her life of the color of her skin,
and so we really have to take these people to
task and really call it out for what it is,
which an invert act of racism. And yeah, she was charged,
but let's hope that she's prosecuted to the fullest extent.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, based on where she lives, I think it was
like South Carolina or something like that. It wouldn't surprise
me if she was not charged, especially given her excuse.
I'm using air quotes for those that can't see me.
The woman claim that this is this in all stories
you can find at the black information website viion news
(15:06):
dot com. But the woman claimed that she was terrified
after seeing a vehicle in her neighborhood. That quote didn't
belong there. She told police that she held the newspaper
delivery driver at gunpoint in fear of her life.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Again, this world, and in particular this country, has been
known to center the sensitivities of white people and white
women over the lives indeed of the rest of us
marginalized folks, black people in particular. So if she feared
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for her life that's what the police always use, and
she pulls a gun out and you know, comes this
close to ending of life, then why then the white
establishment will say that is it's not uncommon for them
to say, Well, of course she would pull out a
gun and walk up to a vehicle, drive up to
a vehicle in this case, and point the gun at
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the individual driving the vehicle because she was fearing for
her life. You know, these aren't behaviors that any rational
person would think of that a person who is afraid
would do. A person who's afraid is probably going to flee.
A person that is angry, a person that is wanting
to respond, a person that is full of hate, a
person that is racist might pick up a weapon and
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then go out there and try to attack. That's what
it looks like to me, you know, and based on
the story that I read. But I think another thing
is illuminated here, and that in particular, is the issue that.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
We have with guns in this country.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Any person, it doesn't matter where they are mentally, it
doesn't matter what their belief system is, it doesn't matter
if they're a racist or if they are.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
A clergy person.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
They can go to a store and provided that they
are a US citizen, they can procure a device's only
purpose is to kill. That's all it does. You're never
going to shape wood like you would with a knife.
It's not a flamethrower or a wrecking ball, anything that
has another purpose elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Only thing that it's designed to do is into life.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And for people like this to have a guaranteed right
in this country to be able to go and procure
a firearm. I think it really speaks to, in my belief,
the Founding Fathers had a very different idea of what
guns were and meant and how they could be used
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when they wrote the constitution of this country. But I
think that this also shows that more guns doesn't necessarily
make people safer.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
More guns means more people dying.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Because if the driver of this vehicle, you know, there's
a lot of black people who really believe that we
need to arm ourselves. Again, I'm not going to say
that's right or wrong, but I do believe the outcome
is that now there's two people with a gun, and
either this white woman dies and the black woman has
to deal with the consequences of that, just to try
to get a good lawyer and tell her story and
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make the case that she was the one indeed fearing
for her life in a judicial system that is, as
we know, stacked against her, or she loses her life
anyway because the white woman has the gun, and neither
of them really needed a gun in this instance, in
this particular instance. And so I do believe that we
are in need of critical examination and indeed an overhaul
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of our.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Let's call it Second Amendment. But that's just me.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And hopefully we end up with less situations like this happening,
because often enough, when it comes to the Second Amendment,
black people are the victims, uh, and we're not the
benefit the beneficiaries. And no matter how many guns we get,
unless we have all the other ducks in a row,
the criminal justice system, you know, the political arenas that
in which we need to be represented, and on and
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on and on, the Second Amendment is always going to
harm us.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
No matter how many guns we buy.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
We we need the narrative and the defense, and that's
what what our Caucasian brothers and sisters seem to have.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
But we'll leave that one right there. Let's move on
to the last story here.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Uh. Clark Atlanta University dorm rooms were impacted by severe flooding.
I saw the videos of this, but but help it
live for our listeners today.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, definitely. I'm actually in Atlanta right now, and I
was here in the city where we had these torrential
downpours within a matter of like an hour. It wasn't
you know, just came out of nowhere. It was sunny
early that morning, did like in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It just had this uh.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Crazy downpour of rain, and particularly in the downtown area
of Atlanta, which is kind of like it sits in
a valley. A little bit of people know that there's
a lot of hilly uh places and uh landscapes near
the uh what we call the AUC center uh Clark Atlanta,
and uh that waters is flooded. So not only did
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Clark Atlanta get flooded, but the Georgia aquarn and flooded
as well. Uh. Particularly we talk about Clark Atlanta that
was floods within the dorm rooms and there's video that
captured uh water and uh several students who were actually
caught within the midst of that flooding. So yeah, they
had to basically, uh they told that all the students
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to to to to basically relocate. They put them in
safer and a safer environment. And now we're just seeing
a lot of HBCUs coming together right now. They're created
a fund and and you know they you know from
Morehouse College, Spellman for a Valley State, they all sit in.
Donations included money, toilet trees, food, clothing to all of
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the students who were impacted by this flooding. So hopefully,
you know, more money comes in from across the nation
to help the students who are impacted.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Good good, I like that. I want to just share
a bit before we wrap up here.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
A spokesperson for Clark Atlanta University shared that it's students
who are impacted by the storms and flooding are safe,
and as you mentioned, they're all being relocated to new housing.
And then it goes on to say all students living
in the residential areas affected by flooding are in the
process of being relocated to new housing. We will continue
to assess the impact of the severe inclement weather, the
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university said in a statement. So it looks like everything's
going to be okay. But those are some really dramatic
videos that we saw, and obviously they've been making the
rounds and making headlines, and so I wanted to share
that as well. With that in mind, I'd like to
thank you as always for coming on and sharing your
thoughts and your perspective on all these stories. It's always
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enjoyed to have you on once again. Today's guest is
the author of the book Trap History and the executive
editor of Atlanta Daily World.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Mister A. R.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
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Here at the Black Information Network, we know how important
it is for you to start your week off energized, engaged,
and enlightened. There are always major stories that break over
the weekend, and we feel you should know about the
ones we are talking about today.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So stay tuned for our weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Recap featuring author of the book Trap History and executive
editor of Atlanta Daily World, mister A. R.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Shaw. This is the.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Black Information Network Daily Podcast and I am your host,
ramses Jah. All right, mister A. R. Shaw, welcome back
to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
How you been man?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Man, it's good man. It's a lot going on this weekend.
Ready to dive into it?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
All right? Well, I won't keep the people waiting. Let's
do it.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
First up, the thing that's been making huge waves across
the music industry is jan Winner apologized for saying black
and female musicians aren't articulate enough for his new book.
So first off, give a little bit of background on
this story and then we'll talk about that one.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, of course, Jane. He's the co founder of the
Rolling Stone UH, probably the most popular music magazine in
the history of the nation, and he's writing a book
basically interviewing UH celebrities, uh in the music industry. Bono.
I think Paul McCartney. I think it's several prominent art
towns and yeah, yeah, so and one of them. You know,
(01:26):
he was interviewed by the Times and they asked him,
you know, why are there any black artists or women artists,
uh included in his book, And basically he stated that
they don't have the articulation to my in my opinion,
I guess in my guests that to uh describe what
(01:47):
I guess the music that they create. Uh. But it
was an avert racist statement, and of course, uh, the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame removed him from the board.
He he Uh. He had to put an apology that
he put out there, but we all got to go
with the first initial statement because we think that's really
(02:08):
how he truly feels. You know, he's seventy seven years old,
he's been in the music industry for decades, and for
him to have this type of sentiment towards black artist
says a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah yeah. And one of the things that.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So I couldn't figure out for the life of me
how he could say something so ignorant. And you know,
when you think of rolling Stone, Rolling Stone. The cover
of Rolling Stone has featured black artists going back as
long as I can remember. You know, Rolling Stone is
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the same magazine that put Jimmy Hendricks at the number
one list of guitar players of all time, right and so,
and several times they've done that. And so for me,
I'm like, how could the owner and the founder say
something like this? And then I tried to, like, I guess,
(03:10):
read between the lines maybe or try to reinterpret what
he was trying to say, because how it came across
is that black people. As you mentioned, black people aren't
articulate enough. But what I ended up finding, which doesn't
make it better, But what I think he was trying
to say was that these white artists, these white male artists,
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articulated what was going on at the time that they
were creating the albums. They were articulating what was happening
in the country better than anyone else. And there were
no black artists or women artists that he found that
articulated the moment in the culture, in the moment in
(03:55):
rock and roll history, or something like that. Right again,
which the people who are the best articulators of rock
and roll are the people who founded it. So we'll
start in the conversation there those are black people. That
is well documented beginning and end of a conversation.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I don't want to hear about Elvis. I don't want
to hear about Pete Townsend.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
But I think that's what he was trying to say,
and that was the only way I could reconcile the
same person who again put Jimmy Hendrix at number one,
with a person who would say something so ignorant, which
it's still incredibly ignorant, but his opinion at least, you know,
his wrong opinion.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
At least there was He.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Wasn't just spewing some crazy nonsense. Well I guess he
was spewing crazy nonsense.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I don't know. It was very, very troubling for me,
as you can tell. But I do want to add
to that.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I read his apology, and his apology sounded well crafted.
It was not sincere. It was not oh my god,
this is not in all me, this is not It
wasn't anything like that. I didn't feel the emotion. It
was well crafted, almost like he sat with a pr
(05:08):
form and.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
They you know what I mean, like it It was
very robotic. There was it was soulless.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Okay, I'll say that, and and then I want to
go back to the beginning that New York Times interview,
and I want to pull something that he said, because
not only did he said that that black artists and
women artists at two different times in the same interview,
he said that neither were articulate enough to make their
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way into his book, but then he doubled down.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So there's a third time.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
In the interview when he's like, this is really how
I feel, and I want to share this with you
and with our listeners. He says, maybe I should have
gone and found one black and one woman artist to
include here that didn't measure up to that same historical standard,
just to avert this kind of criticism. And then he
(05:57):
goes on to say, which, I get it, I had
a chance to do that. Maybe I'm old fashioned and
I don't give a expletive or whatever. So the apology
that followed this doesn't hold up to that. There's the
emotion right there, right. The apology was entirely soulless. And
I hope nobody buys his book and he dies in
(06:18):
the chain. Anyway, moving on, let's talk about Tyler Perry
and what's been going on in the headlines with him.
He has been getting dragged on Twitter after encouraging black
women to find love with less paid men.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So give us a bit more on this one.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, I think Tyler Perry, he's says something that's going
to always cause HYS theory in the black community.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Well, let's go back into the the initial quote. So
the initial quote that he uses that you know, you know,
you have to find someone who honors you honest the
how house his wife and because of his gift, his
gift might not be your gift. That is okay, that's
not somebody that's beneath you. That's somebody who came to
love you at your worth. So this was Tyler Perry's statement.
(07:14):
Of course, he caught backlash on social media. You know,
several individuals saying that black women shouldn't have to compromise
who they are. And this is in far contrast to
what Ebanie K Williams said a few months ago when
she called backlash for saying that she wouldn't date or
marry a bus driver. Now Tyler Perry is catching flag
(07:36):
for saying the opposite. But in my opinion, in reality,
there's no panacea to how and who you choose to love.
You know, whether you choose someone who is socially ahead
of you in terms of or equally stoken terms financially
or socially, that's okay, Or if you choose someone who
is not as on part with you from a social standpoint,
(07:58):
that's okay as well. I just think that people shouldn't
go to social media or media to determine who and
how they love.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, and I think that I'm inclined to agree with you.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I I don't want to touch this conversation with a
ten foot poll. There there's no way to win. And
the sad reality is that you know, you hear it
all the time. We need to talk about this stuff.
We need to have these really important conversations. People need
to know that there's strength in numbers, that they're not
(08:31):
an outlier, that this is not them breaking with norm
and tradition, that there are other people who are responding to,
you know, this modern version of reality. And yet, and
still every time someone tries to talk about it, every
time somebody tries to provide some alternatives to people's often
(08:51):
enough static reality, they end up in this situation. We're
looking at here with Tyler Perry. So again I don't
want to touch this in terms of my personal opinions,
but what I will say is that you're right. It
does sit in contrast to what happened with Ebany K Williams.
I didn't even put that together, but you're absolutely right.
(09:12):
And the fact of the matter is that social media
and I found this out recently. You know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Recently. You know, I'm a broadcaster.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I'm a radio personality, so I never looked at my
social media platforms like I really needed to like put
together a concerted effort to accomplish a goal there. You know,
I've always had a big enough audience and felt like
if I say something, there's enough folks to receive it.
But lately I've had to really put some effort into
my social media, you know, and be consistent and be
(09:46):
present there. And man, it is a very very toxic place,
and people say hurtful things that reflect how they feel
in a fraction of a moment, and rarely do people
kind of have the duality necessary to really understand that
there are at minimum two sides to a conversation, two
(10:07):
sides to an argument, and allow themselves the capacity to
listen to an alternative view that they eventually may adopt
given the right set of circumstances. And so what I've seen,
certainly in the people responding to Tyler Perry is a
lot of people who are either deliberately misinterpreting what he's
(10:32):
trying to say, or being argumentative and combative just for
the sake of having a contrarian opinion that they can
get off on social media, or they are not really
understanding the fact that he's not painting with that broad
a stroke. He's not saying all women should do this
(10:56):
thing all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know what I mean. This is very circumstance. Angel.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
This is you know, hey, look, if this doesn't work out,
don't be afraid of exploring this. Which you know, when
we say it, it sounds like, yeah, that's very reasonable,
But when you know, Twitter gets a hold of it
and they can reinterpret it, then it's it just becomes very,
very toxic. I'm going to share a couple of these
examples before we move on, just to give you an
idea of what I'm talking about. So, there's one person
(11:20):
in hood publicist that says, I don't care what Tyler
Perry says, ain't no way I got. I only got
fifty dollars on the light bill type. I'm gonna paraphrase heer,
ain't no I only got fifty dollars on the light
bill type. Man allowed in my house. I'm perfectly fine
with being single forever. He's not talking to that person.
(11:41):
If they're fine being single forever, then cool. You and
Jesus you know you guys will both be in the
grave together at Missus Bundridge. My thoughts on Tyler Perry
have never wavered. He's a misogynist who lives to humble
black women.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
How about that.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I loathe him and his buffoon alter ego Medea, that
b word made billions at our expense and has the
audacity to want us to all live on love. He
can bite the deepest part of my groin. You say,
how hateful and hurtful that is intended to be?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know what I mean? It's just very, very hurtful.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Made billions at our expense, and he could make any
movies anyone. He could put his talents anywhere. He's trying
to tell black stories, put black actors on you know.
So there's two ways to look at this media stuff
and this Tyler Perry stuff, but they've chosen to look
at it the worst possible way.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I want to share another one here.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
At score po five. Why doesn't a rich black man
like Tyler Perry share knowledge inside and tips to black
men to position themselves to be better providers? Always asking
black women to adjust and accommodate to a patriarch system
we didn't create and is designed against us is insane
to me. I'm not saying that what this person is
(12:59):
saying factual incorrect, but I'm saying that attacking Tyler Perry
on social media feels like a cheap shot, not for
what he said, but for who he is. Again I'm
not I don't have any any proclamations about what he said,
whether it's right or wrong, but who he is as
a person that just feels a little bit like unfair.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And the list goes on. I'll spell you the rest.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
But the fact of the matter is that it just
is very, very sad to see and to compare it
with what happened with Eman E. K. Williams, because again
she was on the other side of it and she
got dragged to you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
It just there's no.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Winning on the Internet, and it's just it's it's really sad,
no way situation. Black Information Network correspondent and author of
the book Trap History, as well as the executive editor
of Atlanta Daily World, Mister A. Rshaw, joins us today.
All right, in other news, there was a brand new
(13:55):
Karen this weekend, arrested for holding a black newspaper delivery
driver at gunpoint. Give us more on this story.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, this is another example of a Karen going wild.
Of This was a situation where a black woman was
delivering mail and the Karen followed her around and basically
hild her at gunpoint, stating that she didn't feel safe.
And I know, we make this tongue in cheek thing
about Karen's and kind of laugh at it, but in
(14:24):
all seriously seriousness, this is a black woman who could
have lost her life of the color of her skin,
and so we really have to take these people to
task and really call it out for what it is,
which an invert act of racism. And yeah, she was charged,
but let's hope that she's prosecuted to the fullest extent.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, based on where she lives, I think it was
like South Carolina or something like that. It wouldn't surprise
me if she was not charged, especially given her excuse.
I'm using air quotes for those that can't see me.
The woman claim that this is this in all stories
you can find at the black information website viion news
(15:06):
dot com. But the woman claimed that she was terrified
after seeing a vehicle in her neighborhood. That quote didn't
belong there. She told police that she held the newspaper
delivery driver at gunpoint in fear of her life.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Again, this world, and in particular this country, has been
known to center the sensitivities of white people and white
women over the lives indeed of the rest of us
marginalized folks, black people in particular. So if she feared
(15:51):
for her life that's what the police always use, and
she pulls a gun out and you know, comes this
close to ending of life, then why then the white
establishment will say that is it's not uncommon for them
to say, Well, of course she would pull out a
gun and walk up to a vehicle, drive up to
a vehicle in this case, and point the gun at
(16:14):
the individual driving the vehicle because she was fearing for
her life. You know, these aren't behaviors that any rational
person would think of that a person who is afraid
would do. A person who's afraid is probably going to flee.
A person that is angry, a person that is wanting
to respond, a person that is full of hate, a
person that is racist might pick up a weapon and
(16:36):
then go out there and try to attack. That's what
it looks like to me, you know, and based on
the story that I read. But I think another thing
is illuminated here, and that in particular, is the issue that.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
We have with guns in this country.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Any person, it doesn't matter where they are mentally, it
doesn't matter what their belief system is, it doesn't matter
if they're a racist or if they are.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
A clergy person.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
They can go to a store and provided that they
are a US citizen, they can procure a device's only
purpose is to kill. That's all it does. You're never
going to shape wood like you would with a knife.
It's not a flamethrower or a wrecking ball, anything that
has another purpose elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Only thing that it's designed to do is into life.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And for people like this to have a guaranteed right
in this country to be able to go and procure
a firearm. I think it really speaks to, in my belief,
the Founding Fathers had a very different idea of what
guns were and meant and how they could be used
(17:56):
when they wrote the constitution of this country. But I
think that this also shows that more guns doesn't necessarily
make people safer.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
More guns means more people dying.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Because if the driver of this vehicle, you know, there's
a lot of black people who really believe that we
need to arm ourselves. Again, I'm not going to say
that's right or wrong, but I do believe the outcome
is that now there's two people with a gun, and
either this white woman dies and the black woman has
to deal with the consequences of that, just to try
to get a good lawyer and tell her story and
(18:26):
make the case that she was the one indeed fearing
for her life in a judicial system that is, as
we know, stacked against her, or she loses her life
anyway because the white woman has the gun, and neither
of them really needed a gun in this instance, in
this particular instance. And so I do believe that we
are in need of critical examination and indeed an overhaul
(18:49):
of our.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Let's call it Second Amendment. But that's just me.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And hopefully we end up with less situations like this happening,
because often enough, when it comes to the Second Amendment,
black people are the victims, uh, and we're not the
benefit the beneficiaries. And no matter how many guns we get,
unless we have all the other ducks in a row,
the criminal justice system, you know, the political arenas that
in which we need to be represented, and on and
(19:18):
on and on, the Second Amendment is always going to
harm us.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
No matter how many guns we buy.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
We we need the narrative and the defense, and that's
what what our Caucasian brothers and sisters seem to have.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
But we'll leave that one right there. Let's move on
to the last story here.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Uh. Clark Atlanta University dorm rooms were impacted by severe flooding.
I saw the videos of this, but but help it
live for our listeners today.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, definitely. I'm actually in Atlanta right now, and I
was here in the city where we had these torrential
downpours within a matter of like an hour. It wasn't
you know, just came out of nowhere. It was sunny
early that morning, did like in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It just had this uh.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Crazy downpour of rain, and particularly in the downtown area
of Atlanta, which is kind of like it sits in
a valley. A little bit of people know that there's
a lot of hilly uh places and uh landscapes near
the uh what we call the AUC center uh Clark Atlanta,
and uh that waters is flooded. So not only did
(20:21):
Clark Atlanta get flooded, but the Georgia aquarn and flooded
as well. Uh. Particularly we talk about Clark Atlanta that
was floods within the dorm rooms and there's video that
captured uh water and uh several students who were actually
caught within the midst of that flooding. So yeah, they
had to basically, uh they told that all the students
(20:42):
to to to to basically relocate. They put them in
safer and a safer environment. And now we're just seeing
a lot of HBCUs coming together right now. They're created
a fund and and you know they you know from
Morehouse College, Spellman for a Valley State, they all sit in.
Donations included money, toilet trees, food, clothing to all of
(21:06):
the students who were impacted by this flooding. So hopefully,
you know, more money comes in from across the nation
to help the students who are impacted.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Good good, I like that. I want to just share
a bit before we wrap up here.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
A spokesperson for Clark Atlanta University shared that it's students
who are impacted by the storms and flooding are safe,
and as you mentioned, they're all being relocated to new housing.
And then it goes on to say all students living
in the residential areas affected by flooding are in the
process of being relocated to new housing. We will continue
to assess the impact of the severe inclement weather, the
(21:41):
university said in a statement. So it looks like everything's
going to be okay. But those are some really dramatic
videos that we saw, and obviously they've been making the
rounds and making headlines, and so I wanted to share
that as well. With that in mind, I'd like to
thank you as always for coming on and sharing your
thoughts and your perspective on all these stories. It's always
(22:02):
enjoyed to have you on once again. Today's guest is
the author of the book Trap History and the executive
editor of Atlanta Daily World.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Mister A. R.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Shaw This has been a production of the Black Information Network.
Today's show is produced by Chris Thompson. Have some thoughts
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