January 23, 2024 • 46 mins
Ellie and Scott are joined by award-winning comedian and filmmaker, W. Kamau Bell. Kamau shares his love of YouTube! Ellie was expecting to hear about crazy cat videos, but was delighted to discover, instead, that YouTube is full of instructional videos. We hear how satisfying it can be to watch things get done - whether it’s picking a lock, making 1000 egg sandwiches, or teaching a kid how to ride a bike. Plus, Ellie shares with Scott her love of a very specific phase of being sick.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
To Hey everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hi, I'm Scott.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm Ellie Kemper. Scott's last name is Eckert. This is
our podcast Born to Love. Every week on the show,
we have a guest on to talk about something that
they love, and this week is no exception, Scott.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
No, it's not. The Only exception is that this week's
guest is particularly good. We have w camout Bell talking
about his love of YouTube, which I'm thrilled about.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm thrilled about because do you know I always think
of YouTube. I think, eh, take it with a grain
of salt. I'm not sure what I'm gonna find on YouTube.
I'm so excited to hear about the sort of unbridled
pure love that came.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Out has for You're worried that you're gonna get sucked
into the conspiracies, Ellie? Is that it that you're just
one little taste and the next thing you know, you're gone.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Forget it, forget and I probably won't even try to resist.
I'm acting like, oh, you know, you got to be careful,
you got exercise caution when surfing the YouTube. As soon
as he opens his mouth says YouTube, I'm in. I'm
already in.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I'm underwater, Ellie, I'll bring you back. As soon as
you start talking about how the moon landing was faked,
I'll bring you back. But before we get to come out, Ellie,
is there anything that you love this week?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yes, Scott, hear me out, because you know it's the
new year. Everyone's been gathering for holidays and whatnot, traveling,
sharing germs and air space and vira. To Latin in college,
the plural virus is viry. I think you know where
I'm going with all of this, Scott. People are getting sick.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
People are getting sick, Ellie.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, they're getting flues and colds and COVID and pneumonia, RSB,
everything and again. Scott, I know you tend to think
I'm superhuman, but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I do think think you're superhuman. It comes as a
surprise to me that you're not. But go on tell
me I'm not.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I'm as mortal as the next person. And I fell
prey to one of these wiley viral. I'm sick. Yes,
I was down for the count for most of last week.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Scott.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You know when it starts, it's like, oh, is that
it does my throat? Is it a tickle? Is it dry?
Is it what is that or is it the beginning
of something? One of these viral and it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Turned out to be it was a viral.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm going to start saying virul one of the vira. Yes,
one of the viral, because right is plural, So it
was a virus. But what my point is I felt
the throat. I woke up the next day. You know,
when something's not right. I usually get sick about once
a year, you know, like that kind of flu cold
type thing. I don't know where you are in your
flu cold journey, but it brings me down about once
(02:51):
a year. We all withstand what we can until we
can't anymore. My defenses were down, as Scott here, you.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Were overhe it's you were overwhelmed with illness at the
end the viride, the assault by the viride took the ramparts.
The keep was burning and you went to bed. Is
that right?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Do you just say the keep was burning?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah? Like the castle keep, like it was imagining an
army of virie.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
All the castle lover listeners knew exactly what you were
talking about. I was clarifying it for all the non
castle connoisseurs and Sola. I'm very impressed that you know
that expression.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well, the next time that you're done for the count,
I'll do a solo episode on Born to Love Medieval Castles.
But I keep interrupting.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You're not interrupting at all.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
You haven't said anything that is priming me to expect
a love here. It sounds like you were very sick.
So what what was it about this experience that that
kindled the love in your heart?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Scott? In the illness arose my love. So that's what
I'm saying. In fact, the viri were the love. What
I loved this week was being sick. But there's always that,
And everyone listening knows exactly what I'm talking about, because
if you're perfectly healthy right now and you're driving to work,
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you're imagining being sick and having to stay in bed,
and you're thinking, I know exactly what she's talking about.
It's great, like you literally can't do anything because you
have to recover. I do want to add a caveat
because that is us sort of looking through rose rimmed glasses. Scott,
is it rose hued glass? What is it? It's rosy glasses?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, rose huge, rose tinted.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, rose tinted, not rose rimmed.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Not rosary. Maybe the rose tinted glasses are also rose rimmed.
They'd just be straight up rose glasses. Yeah, but the
tint or the hue is important because everything looks rose.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Not just people looking at you and seeing rose rimmed glasses,
but in fact you looking through the glasses and seeing
everything with a rose hue. That's what I meant. And
so everyone looks back and thinks, oh, yeah, it wasn't
so bad being sick in the moment. I'm here to
remind you it's awful. In the day or two or
however long you're stuck with it is awful because you're bedridden,
(05:11):
You're miserable. I couldn't focus on anything.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Wait, I'm going to tue down, Ellie, what do you
love about it?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Then the day or two when you can sort of
do something, and so you're still in bed because you're recovering, Yes,
but you can kind of maybe do something, but you're not.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Oh yeah, when you stretch it out, stretch out, stretch.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
It out, Scott. As you know, I love coffee. Of course,
I'm not a psycho. I didn't have coffee when I
was sick. On the third or the fourth day, when
I was starting to feel better. I made myself an
instant coffee scott one sip of that thing. I was
flying so high because I hadn't had caffeine in like
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three days. So I had a sip of coffee, and
not only did I feel like myself again, but it
was like an added wild experience because I was still
sort of sick. It's as close to doing drugs as
I'll ever get. It just felt like literally trippy and awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Wait, I'm sorry, this entire conversation is speed bumps. It's
for me, I'm but with just a little little confused
by each little twist and turn along the way. So
I had something else to say, which I am going
to say, rest assured listeners. But now I want to
your imagination of the sensation of doing drugs is that
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it feels like the flu?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
No, no, no, no, is that it feels like having
coffee when you're sick. That's what drugs are.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
That's what drugs are. That the opioid epidemic is really
rooted in people like coffee when they're sick. That's what
it feels like. They're chase say that sensation.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I see how people get addicted It is a feeling
that makes you that you want more of Give me
some more of that coffee when I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Sick, Kelly, I don't know if this is what it's
like to be on drugs, but my sensation of being
sick and coming out of it, it's what I imagine
a bear waking up from hibernating is like, it's like
I've been in this cave for months and then you
emerge and you're kind of achy and creaky, but you're
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excited and you know you've got that roar in your belly.
I don't know if bears raar, they probably do. You're
not ready or more yet, but you know it's coming.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And then that first salmon that you scoop out of
the river, Oh boy, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Scott, absolutely, that is also a part of being sick
that I love. The recovery, the emerging from the cave,
catching that salmon. I understand that. But what I species
pacifically I'm talking about is that little that twilight hour
where you're thinking, like, you know what, soon I'm going
to get the salmon, but you're still responsibility free. I
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still had to tell Michael, oh, you better take the
children to school. It's too cold outside for me, little
healing me. Oh you know, I really shouldn't exert myself
too hard because I might have a relapse and fall
prey to the vyrye again. So that is the piece
of being sick that I love. And you're focused enough
that you can read. I listened to a lot of
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Taylor Swift, which I haven't listened to several of her albums.
I was well enough to listen to Taylor Swift. That
was sort of the level that I could function at. Okay,
it only happens once a year. It's done for me already.
I look forward to twenty twenty five. But I loved it.
I reveled in it as long as I could. But
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you know, by the fifth or the sixth day, I
was fine again, and running errands and dropping children off
at school, at catching Sam and left and right.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, Ellie, I'm glad that you're back with us. I'm
glad that you're healthy again. I'm glad that you enjoyed
being sick so much. So this was wonderful. Uh could
that be a brew?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
When I start my coffee line? Should it be like?
It should just be called like java?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
When you're sick Java when you're sick, or just like
sick coffee.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yes, sick Joe, it's is called sick Joe.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Sick Joe's actually now I'm on board with it because
sick like in a cool way, right, It's like, oh,
that's some, that's some sick Joe.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Absolutely all right, Scott, I'll tell you who's not sick
except in the cool sense of the word sick. W
Come out Bell, our guest today. He is an award
winning comedian, television host, and filmmaker. Comal has won not one,
not two, not three, or four, but five Emmy Awards
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and a Peabody Award for his documentary series United Shades
of America and We Need to Talk about Cosby. His
latest documentary, which I loved, is one thousand Percent Me
Growing Up Mixed. It is just one another Emmy. He
can't be stopped. Come Ou has also co authored the
New York Times bestseller Do the Work, an anti racist
activity book. He is joining us today to talk to
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us about his love of YouTube. So, Scott, when we
come back, I am so excited to talk with w
Camal Bell. Guys. We are back. We're here, and we
did not lie. We are sitting down with w camal Bell. Hello,
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come ou, how are you?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I'm doing good? Why am I laughing? It's just it's
funny to hear your voice saying my name.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I was laughing at it too.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
No, watch you on TV. You don't say my name.
So it's funny to be like.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I was laughing because you're laughing. Laughter is contagious, yes,
and so is love. We were born to love. Thank
you for being here today. We are beside ourselves. We're
very excited to be talking to you, and you are
here to talk about your love of YouTube.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yes, yes, it's a problem, but I've decided to come
out of the closet.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Come out of the closet with it. How is that
a problem? Because you're a father of three, you have
three children running around in your home. When are you
watching YouTube? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
All the time they say, dad, put down your phone.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Hey, that's well that's Michael my husband too. Are there
any specific genres? And you should know I should say
this from Sorry, I'm sort of a YouTube bloode like
I don't know YouTube that well, I don't subscribe to anything.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
You will be educating me, well, you know how people
used to say, like I don't watch TV as WTE
to sound smart.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Oh it still happened. Yeah, Yes, the most obnoxious people
in the world brag about not owning a TV.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Wait, hold on, did I just brag about it not
watching YouTube?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what's happening with YouTube
right now. When people I don't watch YouTube, there was
a great community. I think Greg Baron had the joke
I don't read books like it just like sounds like it,
just like I don't do technology, I don't do smalls.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I did this? Is it?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Even describing myself as a luddite Like that doesn't fly anywhere.
You can't say that, like this is the age guys,
And by guys, I mean Ellie. But I will say there,
I almost feel like YouTube, it didn't pass me by.
But YouTube started when I don't even know how many
years ago, ten twenty one thousand.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
It started before books. Weirdly, it started in Greecian times.
I think two thousand and nine is sort of like
when it started to really start start, Like I probably
started before then, but like the late twenty tens is
when it really people started to actually take to it.
And have channels and create content.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yes, I'm on Instagram. That's the only social network channel
I'm on. I'm not on Facebook, so I guess those
media are just on own to me. And so it
is like visiting another country. I went on YouTube before
talking to you, but you can really how are people
I'm not. I'm saying this as a genuine It's a
put down to me because I should, Scott, do you
(13:13):
watch you myself?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
This has been an entire interview. Is Ellie just continuing
to dig? I want to hear what come out loves
about YouTube? Like yeah, so why.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I like how it's going. I'll just sit here and
listen to Ellie dig a hole and then at the
end I'll be like, thanks for having me, thanks for
having me.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
My own therapy session. Bye, okay, yes, come what do
you love?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
So I will say this, I didn't always love YouTube.
I think really the pandemic is when it kicked in.
I realize now that most of my content watching is YouTube,
not like Netflix or Hulu. I used to do a
lot of that, and now I will get on a
plane and download YouTube videos and I have to remind
myself watch like regular television, like oh, I should probably
see like that thing that everybody's talking about, because I'm
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just happy to let the algorithm just take me away.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Is that what you do?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Do?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You go by the suggest that the suggestions from YouTube.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
First you just let the algorithm take you away, and
then you go, huh, I really enjoyed this person. I
should go subscribe to this person. And then you start
to find out like, oh, this is the kind of
thing I like. But then you realize at a certain
point the algorithm will always be poking you in different directions,
and it's always trying to get you to engage, so
it's going to send you things that you hate. Like
sometimes YouTube would go you like wkm out bell and
you like criticism. Here's a video criticizing WQM out bell.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I'm like, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
No, no, no no no, you've misunderstood me. But yeah,
what happens is that you find yourself down called the sacks,
where you're like, I had no idea that I would
watch a thirty minute video of some people in an
Asian country making street food for thirty minutes with no words.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Well, truly, what you just described is fantastic. I think
when I think you YouTube and forgive me, I'm always
thinking cats falling asleep or whatever it is that what
you described would be fascinating because that's just real life.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, there's a thing called a slow radio where you're
just sort of listening to something that's not really trying
to engage you. And there's also slow TV, like they
just played a train ride from one city to another.
There's nothing happening, there's no engagement. It's just you just
want to turn on the TV like a friend, like
or like a conversation, and you just want to like
every now and even look up and watch the train.
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And so YouTube has a lot of great slow content
where it's like I'm feeling anxious to say, of the
world is driving me nuts, I don't know how to
fix anything. Wow, I'm gonna watch these people complete their
task of making one hundred thousand eggs Sam, and at
the end I'll feel like I saw something get done
in a world where nothing ever gets done.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yes, and that, in its own way is a triumph.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, that is so satisfying.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
And there's really a lot of creators on YouTube who
are making really complicated work. It's highly edited, that is
shot well and they're just doing it for their audience,
you know. And so for me, I really used to
be like a person like you as condescended to it.
And then you stumble into things where it's like there
are people getting work done here yep, and really like
accomplishing a lot. And it used to be thought it
was like a stepstone to television.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well do YouTubers have they don't operate with agents or
representation or anything, or.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Do they don't have to They do once they get
enough followers, But like there's people who just do it
in their houses. I do explain this to my wife,
which is why I think I'm thinking about this music,
because I was like, do I need to start a
YouTube channel? And it was this if I said, do
I need to learn how to skateboard? Like why would
you do that? Like you're a grown man, You're gonna
learn how to skateboard now. And if I, like, if
I said I think I'm want to be a professional skateboarder,
that's how she reacted and I sat her down. I
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was like, no, let me show you different versions of this.
Some people are literally just sitting in their kitchen talking
to their computers with ums and ahs and sloppy edits,
and you go, this person has like a million followers
and they're making a living.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Some of that I am confounded by. Like I was
reading an article about cleaning your house and like how
those videos are very popular, which I like.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Sorry, there's a whole genre of cleaning your house videos.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Oh isn't there out? Yeah? Yeah. First of all, anything
any words we can put together in a sentence, there
is a genre of that out of antube. I just want
to be there about that. It may not be popular,
but it exists. So yes. I mean I watched a
YouTube video of a guy. He's a professional rug cleaner,
Like this is think about this. This is a guy who
never thought he'd have a YouTube online presence. He's a
professional rug cleaner, and he's like, look at this dirty
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rug we found in a house that caught fire in
a basement. It is soaked with soot. I'm going to
clean it and turn it white again.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yep. I read about this guy.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, think about one of those jobs. You'd be like,
that's the most boring job in the world. And now
this guy has followers and his videos are going viral
because he's cleaning a rug that none of us wants.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
What is that.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I mean, like you said, okay, it's satisfying to see
the completion of a task. It is an escape from,
like you know, just the the hell it is life. Yes,
thank you. I couldn't think of how to put that
into words, but it's true. The state of the.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
World, the increasing escape of the world.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It's the increasing escape of the world. And often when
I have dipped my toe.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Shit Marie Antoinette, having a slice of bread.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Every now and then, I do day into grace the
I feel there's a comfort in seeing people do everyday
things too. I don't know, it's just nice to know
that not everyone is out of their minds. Some people
are cleaning their rugs, some people are mopping the kitchen floor,
and there's comfort there.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, And some people take pride in it, or it's like,
this is what I do every day, so I'm going
to do a good job. And I think a lot
of us you feel like we're not doing a good
job doing the things that we're tasked with doing every day.
It's good to see somebody do a good job. And
then there's a part of YouTube that I enjoy watching
people who are like deep we connected to things, maybe
things I used to like. For example, I used to
read combooks a lot, but then I turned like twenty five,
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I was just like, I can't. This isn't paying my rent.
Because I also grew up a time where you were
supposed to stop doing that stuff, and then the generation
right behind me was like, no, you just you just
keep reading comic books.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I was like, oh, you're so mad it skipped you.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, So I gave up comic books because at that
age I was told to give up comic books, but
I held on to some things, like I still wear
T shirts every day, which is like when I was
a kid, an adult man who wore T shirts was
like struggling and you needed to help him find his
way to like the hospital. And now the jerk who
goes to the five star fine dining restaurant in like
a graphic tea and jeans because I can because I'm
an emmy. So you just you're happy I'm.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Here, But that is true. I haven't thought about this
until just now. My husband loves watching product reviews on YouTube.
You know, of gadgets, and people watch them endlessly, and
it's that same thing where you're like, oh, these are
people who they're just so well versed in technology, and
he'll just watch them, even for products that he doesn't have.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, and it sort of tells you that, like things
can be compelling in ways that you don't think they
can be. It doesn't all got to be the Sopranos
and breaking Bad Like. It doesn't. It doesn't all got
to be somebody is just like this person knows more
than me, and they're good at explaining it about a
thing that either I care about or I don't care about,
but they're so compelling. There's a guy I think he's
called the lock picking Lawyer. He just picks locks because
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he's good at it. You don't see his face. He
says this lock, says it's unpickable. He picks it in
about five minutes and he goes, huh, I guess it
was an unpickled And it's just a guy. And he
calls his wife missus lock picking Lawyer. I don't know
if that's their real last name, but it's just the
idea that I can spend two minutes watch this guy
pick a lock and then move on with my day
and feel like I saw again, I saw a thing
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get completed by an expert. This is the time right
now where a lot of people run towards the not expert,
Like somebody goes, I don't know anything, so you should
listen to me. And so it feels really good for
me to run to people who actually are the experts
to me.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Come ol. I had no idea that this was a
thing that sort of competence porn of people who are
excellent at their tasks. I need to look at that,
because I only ever went to YouTube as almost like
a reference. So it's like, oh, I want to see
a movie trailer. I just went yesterday because I was
having trouble changing the batteries to my doorbell, and I
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was like, let's change the doorbell battery on YouTube, and
sure enough there's a guy and he's like, here's how
you do it. And I was like, oh, thank you
YouTube guy. And I do that on a weekly basis
where I don't know how to do something and I
have YouTube show me. So as a resource, I found
it useful. But the idea that that same sort of
video is entertainment, I mean, I feel like the scales
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are falling from my eyes. I'm going to get sucked
into the lock picking lawyer.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yes, Scott, that's like basically saying I go to the
library for the magazines. What you're doing right now, You're
just you're at the library in the magazine section while
like the greatest books of literature are sitting around. You're
walking past Shakespeare and Tony Morrison and we're like, I
just want to see what Pet's Weekly is up to.
(22:05):
That's allo. So I do what you're saying. I do
that too. Like for example, and this is one of
my favorite videos ever. So one day, my eight year
old we go to the playground and she was maybe
seven at the time. She had a bicycle with training wheels.
She's like, today, we're taking the training wheels off. I
want to learn how to ride a bike. And I'm like, well,
you need a new dad, because that's not my department.
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And she's like, no, I want you to teach me
how to ride a bike. And this is my middle kid,
who we call oh, I call him out Junior because
she's all in her head like me. And so we
go to the playground and I suddenly go, wait a minute, YouTube,
and so I look up teaching a kid to ride
a bike and here's the key thing. Quickly, quickly, not
teaching a kid to ride a bike. You gotta be
(22:48):
savvy about this, because that's a four hour video teaching
kid to ride a bay teaching a kid how to
ride a bike quickly. And a video came up that
said teach your kid how to ride a bike in
five minutes, and it probably had less than a thousand views.
And so I watched this board looking white. Dad tell
me with a kid who he claimed didn't know how
to ride a bike, and he said, you do this,
you do this, you do this. Look now he's riding
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a bike. And he was like, not even impressed with himself.
And so I was like, all right, So I said, okay,
come here, come out, Junior. We did this, We did this,
we did this. It took about eight minutes. No, yes
on the trade. She was riding the bicycle.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Now we need to know the steps.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I'm going to look it up and see.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
If I can look it up, because I tried this
summer to teach my seven year old, who we also
call come out junior. Nay, no, we call him James.
And I couldn't. I was like, you got it, just balance,
you got just balance. Threw out my hands in frustration.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
See if I can find a teacher kid to ride
a bike in forty five minutes. That's too long. Come on, man,
here we go. How to ride a bike in less
than five minutes. It's actually got one point nine million views,
so it's been up for ten years by Patrick l.
How to ride a bike in less than five minutes.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
The actual video was short, but it also promises to
teach them how to get how to accomplish this quickly.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
The video is five minutes and two seconds.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
So, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Do you comment on YouTube? You come out?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah? I have? I have as yourself as myself. Yeah,
I'm pretty you know, I'm not like Ellie Kemperer level,
so I can comment.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, oh that Julia Roberts treatment.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah. I mean sometimes I comment and nobody says anything
like wow, come out, belsire. Also, if you watch any
YouTube video, they always ask you to like and subscribe.
You don't have to describe, but always like the video
because it actually helps the algorithm think that people care
about them.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Well, do you think that most of those people are
doing it for the approval for just the joy of
Like that guy again with the dad posting the thing
about teaching your kid how to write a bike. That's
something that would never occur to me. Like, yeah, it
almost feels like he's doing that for the pure purpose
of helping people.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I think he's doing it the way that we're supposed
to do stuff, like I know something that other people
don't know, let me share. Like he probably was the
dad neighborhood who would like teach every kid how to
ride their bike. And I would walk my kid down
to that dad and go, Patrick ll teach you how
to do it. Yeah, But then you go to his
YouTube channel, which I don't think I've ever gone to before.
He's got three thousand, two hundred subscribers, which is like
he's definitely not getting paid. And the latest video is
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called Pumpkin Gives Up and it was posted a year ago.
I don't know what that means Pumpkin gives up, but
it's forty seconds long The Pumpkin Gave Up, and it's
got a thousand views. He's got four videos that's hilarious.
He's got Pumpkin gives Up, How to fitch a stucco
patch two hundred views, PBJ the Pedron Way. I don't
have any idea what that means five minutes long. But
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then the other the first video posted ten years he
goes how to ride a bike in less than five minutes.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
One point nine million people have watched that video.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I mean one point nine million views because several of
those are mine.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Hey sh.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
But here's the thing that guy for. They're all they
all seem to be dad related. I think Pumpkin's PBJ.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah yeah yeah. And here's the thing that I think
is so pure about it. He posted that video in viral.
He didn't post for like six more years.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I love I love this man. He's just doing it
to help.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Like that's not like trying to get like a brand
deal or merchandise, because that's what you see too, people
who stumble into viral videos like Charlie at the dentist
where the kids in the back of the car like
sort of like rambling because he's had like you know,
laughing gas and he's like in the back. Yeah, they're
still trying to sell t shirts off of that.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
It's just like, I've got a question for you. Come out.
Because my son, he's nine years old, he got really
into these live stream people just playing video games and
would watch some teenager just playing a video game that
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he doesn't own and had never played him himself.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Right, And it's like, hey, Jack, do you want to
watch a cartoon on the TV, something that that people
have poured their hearts and souls into creating? And it's like, no, No,
I want to watch this kid play MLB the show
twenty eighteen or something. Is that just specific to my
son or I feel like that?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Right? Yeah, it's a whole universe. And first of all,
be very careful because that's how you create in cells.
A lot of that content in cells, like dudes who
are like sort of hate women. Uh, you know, Like
I would say this with my kids, YouTube is a
thing that we do. Like they can watch YouTube, but
it is a thing that either I know exactly what
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they're watching and I've approved preapproved the content, or we're
doing it together. Like let me show you this YouTube video,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It's sort of like six Degrees with Kevin Bacon or whatever.
I'm always terrified that they're just like three clicks away
from a video that explains that gypsies are demons or something.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yep, And I would say they're probably two clicks away.
I wouldn't put three. And this is why it is
like the library. The library also has like books that
are bad that are like like you know, the library
has all the books if it's a good library, and
so you can't just go get any book. It's like, well,
what book are you reading? So I do think it
is it becomes super important as a parent, Like for
my kids, I think it's fine if you want to
(28:07):
watch that thing, but I got to be able to
sit in that room with you every now and again
to just sort of sit through and sort of like
see what's happening.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Are there parental controls? Like I have not used any
parental controls, Like my kids are seven and four. They
might have iPads. Sometimes they stumble onto YouTube. I think
it's all cartoons so.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Far, but it's all cartoons in one hand job.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Well that there is a there's an app called YouTube
Kids that is supposed to be like that. You can
download that it's just kid videos. But YouTube had a
problem where because people are awful, there was a period
of time where YouTube found that some creators were putting
out kid videos and in the middle of it they
put a hand job. So it was just like so
there's and then you do have to respond. This was
about probably five or six years ago. Yeah, so again
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I'm not saying all the youtubes.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Okay, So if you were to, if when you go
on your phone and look on YouTube, would you type
in something like, oh, you know, I want to learn
about I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I'm going to close the YouTube app so I can
open it because it's always open, and it just sort
of it pops up. So I've subscribed to a bunch
of things already. So just on my page, there's a
bunch of things that either I have subscribed to or
the algorithm knows that I watch regularly. So like I
do actually get a lot of news. There's a lot
of great news channels on YouTube. So I'll shout out
the Rational National is a very Canadian guy who's got
(29:23):
a channel, and that's where I get most of my
news is YouTube. And I'm scrolling down and there's an
MMA podcast called Borning Combat that I like to do.
This is a great one to see this. I don't
watch professional wrestling at all, but I think the professionally
wrestling content about it is fascinating. People talking about professional
wrestling is fascinating because it's not fake. They make it
(29:44):
clear it's not fake. You would call acting fake. But
they sort of talk about the ins and outs of
the business, and I think that's fascinating. So, like, Jim
Cornette is a wrestling podcaster, and I just think he
talks good about what he knows. Even though I don't
watch professional wrestling at all. Nobody knows that I'm want that,
nobody cares. It doesn't come up in any conversation I'm
having except for this one, and I'm just like, Ooh,
(30:05):
a new gym Cornet video is out.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Oh that's fantastic, because I was gonna ask, how do
you know that something is like legit or well done
versus something that's not like if I so, I like
to run. That's the only thing I ever talked about
on this podcast. It's like a show called Born to Love.
But I love one thing. It's not my family. It's running.
Whenever I like look something up and I don't know
if I'm looking for a way to stretch my hamstring,
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I'm like, well, how do I know if this is actually,
you know, verified, if.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
You're looking for like advice content, I think the importance
is verified. But a lot of this is like the
news thing. For example, I watch a video and you
go nope and you clut it off, and then sometimes
you go, don't ever send me this video. YouTube will
be like, oh, you watch part of that video, would
you like to watch fifteen more? No, So you have
to really start to tailor your content and make sure
you're like like, there's been things I've subscribed to, and
(30:52):
then very realize like nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
Point this is well.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
That's what would make me nervous is just that if
it catches you, like even on Instagram, which is a
different platform, obviously, I feel like, wait a minute, I
don't know where this came from. I don't want them
to think that I enjoyed this context. Oh so that's interesting.
They just try to sneak it in any way they can.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah. And so like you have to wead your YouTube garden,
you have to wead your YouTube guarden.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Weading the YouTube garden. Well, come out if you wanted
to help get our garden started for somebody who wants
to dip their toe into it. Is there mixing metaphors
left and right part of the garden? Are there one
or two that you haven't mentioned, because I'm definitely going
to watch the.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Block picking Lawyer, the lock.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Picking Lawyer, and I'm definitely going to look up the
rug cleaner. Are there any others that would be at
the top of your list?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
So I'll give you sort of a mortgage board.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
There's a guy named coffee Zilla. Have either of you
ever heard of coffee Zilla? Nope?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, I'm so old fashioned. I'm writing this on a
piece of paper. I feel like I feel like the
world's most idiotic guy. Coffee Zilla all right.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
He is, I would say, like the number one scam
investigator maybe in the country, but certainly on YouTube, so
like Crypto, NFT, Sam Bankman Freed, but he does in
a way that is super funny and easy to talk about.
He's this guy who lives in Texas somewhere. He calls
himself coffee Zilla. He's sitting against the green screen that
he calls the ten million Dollar Studio because he investigates
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financial scams and it's just super like funny and relatable
and actually has really like broken down some stories about
people who financially scam things in ways that have done
good in the world.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He's actually like an investigative journalist who has probably not
a degree in investigative journalist, just cares a lot. And
coffee Ziel has got over three million followers. So the
fact that you don't know about him says more about
you than it does about coffee Zil.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
One hundred percent it does. Coffee Zilla's got the upper
hand here, Yeah, and I wanted to try to fight that.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
So this is another thing that my kids can't stand
and I sort of play these videos to make them nuts.
It's called Beard meets Food. He's a British dude who
travels America and England doing all all the food challenges
at every restaurant, so like, eat this giant pizza and
we'll give you a free T shirt. He's like, I'm
in and he's super relatable and funny and cute and
(33:11):
also weirdly in good shape even though he's eating like
a giant extra large pizza, and he also like walks in.
He's friendly to people. He's doing it by himself, so
he's setting up like three cameras by himself in a restaurant.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Oh my gosh, did you say beard?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Beard? Because he's got a giant beard Beard meets food
because he's like shoving giant slice the pizza in his
mouth and it's super gross. And I'm like, look, in
ten minutes, he just ate a giant It's the same
thing from the carpets. Ah, it's just a good accomplished yeah.
And then I would say a guy out of Atlanta
(33:48):
named ft Signifier, who's a black dude in Atlanta who
used to be a public school teacher who just does
great breakdowns mostly a black pop culture. He has a
two hour video about how he struggles with his relationship
with Kanye West. But it's just super personal yeah, but
also a smart I think he's sitting in his kitchen
and it's just the kind of guy you'd be like,
I'd like to be friends with that guy and talking
about complicated issues come out.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Thank you for telling us all about YouTube. Thank you
for coming on the show. If you have a minute,
could you stick around and play this fun game we
like to play called Love It or Loathe It.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I'd love too, I'd loathe too.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yay, that's the right answer.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
You.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
You're back with w Camabel to play one of our
favorite games, aka the only game that we ever play.
Called love it or loath it? Come out. We are
going to throw some topics subjects and you're going to
tell us whether you love that thing or you loathe
that thing. There can be no in between. Okay, there's
no great area.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I don't do it in between, So I'm good with
this so far.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You're off to a good start. Okay, come out, love
it or loath it? Legos love it, yes, love it.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Loved it as a kid, love them there as an adult.
To tie it into the main topic, there's actually entire
YouTube channels where people cook food using legos as pretend
food that is super fascinating. It's like stop motion animation
with legos.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
What they're actually preparing things really, but they're using the
legos as the elements of food.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
So it's like they have a raw chicken that is
like a chicken breast, so it's pink legos in the
shape of chicken breast, and then they have a lego
egg that they crack and they have lego flour and
then they dip the raw chicken lego into the into
the batter and then they put it in a skillet
that has that has yellow legos of the like oil
and they cook it. Then they pull the chicken breast
out and now it's brown and it's crusty because it's
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been cooked, because it's been fried.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
That is art. It sounds not only delightful just on
a visual level. I would love watching that, yeah, but
it's also I mean the thought put into.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
That and the time, the time. Wow, one of them
T O M O S T. And I'm sorry, I'm
just still talking about YouTube.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
No, I love it. It's the Lego YouTube food maker.
I gotta check it out come out, love it or
loathe it. Listerine hmmm, it's it's it's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I don't use listerine, but I'm gonna go love it
because some people need listerine and I'm glad that exist
in the world. And it is painful that when you
do it. But like this morning, I woke up and
my daughter, my five year old's breath was kicking and oh, yeah, man,
you I would have loved to have some listerine right there.
So they love it. I love it, even though I
don't use it currently.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Well, I love that it's painful because I just imagine
it just like destroying all this bacteria.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Medicine is supposed to hurt a little bit. Otherwise I
don't really believe it.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I love the hydrogen peroxide on the wound, which they
say you're not supposed to.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
What they say, you're not supposed to whatever, Just stop it.
That doesn't hurt at all. I love those bubbles.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I love the other bubbles. Say it's cleaning, it's supposed to.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Does that something we were all hold?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
I don't think it's no. I don't think any scientists
told us. I think our parents told us.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah. Well, it would take a whole team of scientists
to convince me otherwise, because I keep pouring that on
until it stops bubbling.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, that's that's that's medically accurate.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
We're here to say comew and I are here to
tell you what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Is just two non doctors.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Say agree, come out. I love it or loath that.
Imaginary friends love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
It was the guickest.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Continuing this is a song worthy love? Tell us about it.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
So I'm an only child, how would I have gotten
through this life without imaginary friends? I mean, like even
now I talk to people who aren't there in my
house because it's just like I'm just used to like
as an only child, just talking out loud all the time.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Wait, you just again uncovered. My husband's an only child
and he'll come into the apartment sometimes and he's having.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yep, full conversation but there's no one there. No, yes,
there is.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I mean again, as a non psychiatrist, that's healthy, that
feels I guess fine, It's a way to think out loud.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Right, I'm an out loud processor. An I'm an external processor.
My wife is not a fan of that. But if
I have to talk it out outline, I mean, it's
why I'm a stand up. I have to externally process things.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
So when you're talking out like she was, if she
is in the room, are you is she are you
expecting her to respond?
Speaker 3 (38:29):
No, don't interrupt me.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, yeah, don't interrupt me.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I'm I'm in the I wouldn't interrupt you if you
were talking to your best friend.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yes, I've got a question for you. Come out. So
do you find when you speak out loud to yourself,
are you addressing an imaginary person who doesn't exist, or
are you imagining someone in the real world that you're
talking to. Because the only time I ever talked to
myself is when I'm doing angry screeds against people in
my real life who just deserve, you know, my screeds,
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and I'm too cowardly to say it to their face.
So I have imaginary conversations in the shower, like what
I would have said?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Oh, I do that, I know. I mean, I think
every stand up is a stand up because of the
what I would have said thing. I think that is
the basic reason why stand up comedy exists, because it's like,
now I get to say what I would have said,
but I would say. If I'm talking to myself, I'm
sort of having a conversation with the other version of
me that lives outside of me. If that makes me
sound like the sane.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Person, good, yes, No, I understand that.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I'm in dialogue, like, man, you're so stupid. What were
you thinking? Hey, man, I'm doing the best I can.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Oh, but that's so healthy. That's so healthy because then
you are being your own best friend, right. Don't they
always say, to like yourself the advice you would give
us best friends.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
It's an only child. I think there's two different types
of only child. I don't know what type of your
husband is. There's the types that's like, I wish your ahead,
brothers and sister. I feel sorry for those people. I'm
the types. It's like good n fettered access to the
world and television. Was really argue about the television.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Well too late for our kids. Oh well, okay, love
it or love it?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Bruce Lee, Oh come on now, now you're just that was.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Just we want you to win.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, it's funny. Just yesterday my daughter come out Junior
asked me, dead or alive, who would you like to
have a conversation or meet with? And I was like
Bruce Lee and Malcolm X, like just as if it
was one word. So yeah, I've talked about Bruce Lee
so much that the Bruce Lee estate, run by his
daughter Shannon, eventually reached out to me like, hey man,
can you we need to talk to you. And so
now I'm like, I'm friends with his daughter Shannon, which
(40:37):
is like as a as a teenager, if you'd told
me that, I'd been like, I've won life.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
So yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Oh yeah, exactly what would the young come out have thought?
That is incredible.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I mean I told Shannon this, the young come out
would have thought, but are you too married? That's what
the young I've told her this, So your friends, but
how many children do you have? With Bruce Lee's daughter zero?
We have zero?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Hey, love it or loath it? This is a random one.
Middle school dances.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Oh, my daughter's twelve, so there's been like two middle
school dances now, So I mean there was some drama
the last middle school to dance that that I can't
get into because I don't want to take the chance.
But there was like some drama that I was like,
you have just found out that that person is not
your friend? Is how I am.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I was really proud of her because she was like
I was trying to talk her down from being a
grudge holder, but she was like no, And I was like,
oh you get that from me. I'm the king of
the grudge holders. So I was like, well, then we'll
lead into what I would think, that person not your
friend anymore?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Was it a good lesson to have been?
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Like?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Oh, yeah, because my daughter's sort of entering that phase
as well, and it's a true love hate relationship because
of all of the anxiety and stress. But on the
other hand, coming of age kind of yeah, joy.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Again, you don't want to raise a female insel so
I would say yes, I would say I love it,
as long as you guarantee me that after the dance
we're allowed to have a conversation about what happened at
the dance. I love Ooh that's great, but I need
I need the follow up to find out what happened
because I need to I'm always adding to my grudge list.
So do I need to add to my grudge list?
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Maybe I locked them out. I don't remember having dances
till high school. We had mixers.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Everything's earlier now everything.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I had dances in middle school, which I vividly remember
because downstairs at the gym you could play basketball, and
like Ellie is making sad noises because she's just expecting
whatever comes out of my mouth next to be pathetic.
Even before I finished, she's like, oh, oh, Scott.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, she was like out when you said I and
she was like, oh God, not.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
What I was gonna say. Ellie's that all of the
boys were down playing basketball. So it wasn't just me anyway,
Oh including you.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
No, No, Scott, that's that's great. I'm like, I am
so relieved.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
So I remember you as a young younger man, Scott.
It was a horror show. All right, let's let's move
off of this before Ellie hurts my feelings even more.
Come out love it or load that we saved the
best for last bells.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Bells, last name. It's stupid, it's funny. I forget sometimes
that my name actually is a noun for actual thing,
because it's just my last name. And then every now
and again, like you know, somebody, some writer will be
like the bell tolls for come okay, all right? So yeah,
(43:31):
I would say I love bells because I've disconnected them
from my last name, even though they are my last name.
I let bells do their thing. When bells ring, I
don't go that's my name. I don't ever think my
last name. Yeah, it's also a pretty rare last name.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
It's a great last name. It's one syllable, it's simple.
It's bell.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's not. And so there's not a lot
of them, so I think it's like what me and
Lake Bell, I think the only bells in show business.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, and well, we look forward to your teama, whom
the bell Toll collaborate, who the bell Toll?
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Where we play a married couple?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Can that please be your next project? Oh?
Speaker 3 (44:12):
That's I would love.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
To speaking of come out. You have been an absolute
joy to talk to you. Is there any specific project
or piece of work right now that you would like
to promote right now?
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, so my documentary that actually features my family one
thousand percent me growing up mixed. Yeah. So it's really
a personal project because my mom is in it, my
three daughters in it, my mother in law's in it,
which was a crazy thing that she decided to be
in it.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
But I've seen it. It's fantastic. I'm so fascinated by
that moment.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Thank you. I mean, that's a real moment, like those
two had never had any kind of my mother in law,
my mom, I never had any conversation close to that.
It was great. Yeah. So that's on HBO, but it's
on the platform known as Max. So if you haven't
seen it, please check that out. It means a lot
to be with my family and all the other great
kids who are in it.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Correct, And I hardly endorse that promotion. It's so good.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
I think that I hardly endorse that. I hardly endo.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Hi partially and also what I love it's an.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Hour long I mean the HBO one point is like
you can make it out however long you want to.
But if you make it an hour, we can run
it more. And I was like, challenge accepted.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yes, it's great. It has been great talking with you.
This is what Scott. I say this a lot, but
I love it about the show. I discover things I
didn't know that much about that. I feel that I
too will love and I'm about to do some YouTube digging,
So thank you for that come out.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
And also, let me just say this, don't watch those ads.
Just pay for YouTube everybody, if you can, if you
have the ability, then it becomes less about sitting through
ads for scams.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yes, a very good point.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, it's a better use of your money than a
lot of the platforms you're paying for that you haven't watched.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Gosh, anyway, we will pay all right, Scott, I will.
I don't know if Scott.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Will pay for Scott.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, yeah, you owe me after the dance, Scott, you had.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
A lot of traumatic adolescent experience.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
I don't know you've described them yourself anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
All more, thank you so much. It's just been such
a delight. It's an honor to chat with you.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
It's been an ultimate pleasure to be here. Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
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To Hey everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hi, I'm Scott.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm Ellie Kemper. Scott's last name is Eckert. This is
our podcast Born to Love. Every week on the show,
we have a guest on to talk about something that
they love, and this week is no exception, Scott.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
No, it's not. The Only exception is that this week's
guest is particularly good. We have w camout Bell talking
about his love of YouTube, which I'm thrilled about.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm thrilled about because do you know I always think
of YouTube. I think, eh, take it with a grain
of salt. I'm not sure what I'm gonna find on YouTube.
I'm so excited to hear about the sort of unbridled
pure love that came.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Out has for You're worried that you're gonna get sucked
into the conspiracies, Ellie? Is that it that you're just
one little taste and the next thing you know, you're gone.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Forget it, forget and I probably won't even try to resist.
I'm acting like, oh, you know, you got to be careful,
you got exercise caution when surfing the YouTube. As soon
as he opens his mouth says YouTube, I'm in. I'm
already in.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I'm underwater, Ellie, I'll bring you back. As soon as
you start talking about how the moon landing was faked,
I'll bring you back. But before we get to come out, Ellie,
is there anything that you love this week?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yes, Scott, hear me out, because you know it's the
new year. Everyone's been gathering for holidays and whatnot, traveling,
sharing germs and air space and vira. To Latin in college,
the plural virus is viry. I think you know where
I'm going with all of this, Scott. People are getting sick.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
People are getting sick, Ellie.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, they're getting flues and colds and COVID and pneumonia, RSB,
everything and again. Scott, I know you tend to think
I'm superhuman, but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I do think think you're superhuman. It comes as a
surprise to me that you're not. But go on tell
me I'm not.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I'm as mortal as the next person. And I fell
prey to one of these wiley viral. I'm sick. Yes,
I was down for the count for most of last week.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Scott.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You know when it starts, it's like, oh, is that
it does my throat? Is it a tickle? Is it dry?
Is it what is that or is it the beginning
of something? One of these viral and it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Turned out to be it was a viral.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm going to start saying virul one of the vira. Yes,
one of the viral, because right is plural, So it
was a virus. But what my point is I felt
the throat. I woke up the next day. You know,
when something's not right. I usually get sick about once
a year, you know, like that kind of flu cold
type thing. I don't know where you are in your
flu cold journey, but it brings me down about once
(02:51):
a year. We all withstand what we can until we
can't anymore. My defenses were down, as Scott here, you.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Were overhe it's you were overwhelmed with illness at the
end the viride, the assault by the viride took the ramparts.
The keep was burning and you went to bed. Is
that right?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Do you just say the keep was burning?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah? Like the castle keep, like it was imagining an
army of virie.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
All the castle lover listeners knew exactly what you were
talking about. I was clarifying it for all the non
castle connoisseurs and Sola. I'm very impressed that you know
that expression.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well, the next time that you're done for the count,
I'll do a solo episode on Born to Love Medieval Castles.
But I keep interrupting.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You're not interrupting at all.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
You haven't said anything that is priming me to expect
a love here. It sounds like you were very sick.
So what what was it about this experience that that
kindled the love in your heart?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Scott? In the illness arose my love. So that's what
I'm saying. In fact, the viri were the love. What
I loved this week was being sick. But there's always that,
And everyone listening knows exactly what I'm talking about, because
if you're perfectly healthy right now and you're driving to work,
(04:11):
you're imagining being sick and having to stay in bed,
and you're thinking, I know exactly what she's talking about.
It's great, like you literally can't do anything because you
have to recover. I do want to add a caveat
because that is us sort of looking through rose rimmed glasses. Scott,
is it rose hued glass? What is it? It's rosy glasses?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, rose huge, rose tinted.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, rose tinted, not rose rimmed.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Not rosary. Maybe the rose tinted glasses are also rose rimmed.
They'd just be straight up rose glasses. Yeah, but the
tint or the hue is important because everything looks rose.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Not just people looking at you and seeing rose rimmed glasses,
but in fact you looking through the glasses and seeing
everything with a rose hue. That's what I meant. And
so everyone looks back and thinks, oh, yeah, it wasn't
so bad being sick in the moment. I'm here to
remind you it's awful. In the day or two or
however long you're stuck with it is awful because you're bedridden,
(05:11):
You're miserable. I couldn't focus on anything.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Wait, I'm going to tue down, Ellie, what do you
love about it?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Then the day or two when you can sort of
do something, and so you're still in bed because you're recovering, Yes,
but you can kind of maybe do something, but you're not.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Oh yeah, when you stretch it out, stretch out, stretch.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
It out, Scott. As you know, I love coffee. Of course,
I'm not a psycho. I didn't have coffee when I
was sick. On the third or the fourth day, when
I was starting to feel better. I made myself an
instant coffee scott one sip of that thing. I was
flying so high because I hadn't had caffeine in like
(05:58):
three days. So I had a sip of coffee, and
not only did I feel like myself again, but it
was like an added wild experience because I was still
sort of sick. It's as close to doing drugs as
I'll ever get. It just felt like literally trippy and awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Wait, I'm sorry, this entire conversation is speed bumps. It's
for me, I'm but with just a little little confused
by each little twist and turn along the way. So
I had something else to say, which I am going
to say, rest assured listeners. But now I want to
your imagination of the sensation of doing drugs is that
(06:38):
it feels like the flu?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
No, no, no, no, is that it feels like having
coffee when you're sick. That's what drugs are.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
That's what drugs are. That the opioid epidemic is really
rooted in people like coffee when they're sick. That's what
it feels like. They're chase say that sensation.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I see how people get addicted It is a feeling
that makes you that you want more of Give me
some more of that coffee when I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Sick, Kelly, I don't know if this is what it's
like to be on drugs, but my sensation of being
sick and coming out of it, it's what I imagine
a bear waking up from hibernating is like, it's like
I've been in this cave for months and then you
emerge and you're kind of achy and creaky, but you're
(07:33):
excited and you know you've got that roar in your belly.
I don't know if bears raar, they probably do. You're
not ready or more yet, but you know it's coming.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And then that first salmon that you scoop out of
the river, Oh boy, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Scott, absolutely, that is also a part of being sick
that I love. The recovery, the emerging from the cave,
catching that salmon. I understand that. But what I species
pacifically I'm talking about is that little that twilight hour
where you're thinking, like, you know what, soon I'm going
to get the salmon, but you're still responsibility free. I
(08:11):
still had to tell Michael, oh, you better take the
children to school. It's too cold outside for me, little
healing me. Oh you know, I really shouldn't exert myself
too hard because I might have a relapse and fall
prey to the vyrye again. So that is the piece
of being sick that I love. And you're focused enough
that you can read. I listened to a lot of
(08:34):
Taylor Swift, which I haven't listened to several of her albums.
I was well enough to listen to Taylor Swift. That
was sort of the level that I could function at. Okay,
it only happens once a year. It's done for me already.
I look forward to twenty twenty five. But I loved it.
I reveled in it as long as I could. But
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you know, by the fifth or the sixth day, I
was fine again, and running errands and dropping children off
at school, at catching Sam and left and right.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, Ellie, I'm glad that you're back with us. I'm
glad that you're healthy again. I'm glad that you enjoyed
being sick so much. So this was wonderful. Uh could
that be a brew?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
When I start my coffee line? Should it be like?
It should just be called like java?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
When you're sick Java when you're sick, or just like
sick coffee.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yes, sick Joe, it's is called sick Joe.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Sick Joe's actually now I'm on board with it because
sick like in a cool way, right, It's like, oh,
that's some, that's some sick Joe.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Absolutely all right, Scott, I'll tell you who's not sick
except in the cool sense of the word sick. W
Come out Bell, our guest today. He is an award
winning comedian, television host, and filmmaker. Comal has won not one,
not two, not three, or four, but five Emmy Awards
(09:55):
and a Peabody Award for his documentary series United Shades
of America and We Need to Talk about Cosby. His
latest documentary, which I loved, is one thousand Percent Me
Growing Up Mixed. It is just one another Emmy. He
can't be stopped. Come Ou has also co authored the
New York Times bestseller Do the Work, an anti racist
activity book. He is joining us today to talk to
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us about his love of YouTube. So, Scott, when we
come back, I am so excited to talk with w
Camal Bell. Guys. We are back. We're here, and we
did not lie. We are sitting down with w camal Bell. Hello,
(10:39):
come ou, how are you?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I'm doing good? Why am I laughing? It's just it's
funny to hear your voice saying my name.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I was laughing at it too.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
No, watch you on TV. You don't say my name.
So it's funny to be like.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I was laughing because you're laughing. Laughter is contagious, yes,
and so is love. We were born to love. Thank
you for being here today. We are beside ourselves. We're
very excited to be talking to you, and you are
here to talk about your love of YouTube.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yes, yes, it's a problem, but I've decided to come
out of the closet.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Come out of the closet with it. How is that
a problem? Because you're a father of three, you have
three children running around in your home. When are you
watching YouTube? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
All the time they say, dad, put down your phone.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Hey, that's well that's Michael my husband too. Are there
any specific genres? And you should know I should say
this from Sorry, I'm sort of a YouTube bloode like
I don't know YouTube that well, I don't subscribe to anything.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
You will be educating me, well, you know how people
used to say, like I don't watch TV as WTE
to sound smart.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Oh it still happened. Yeah, Yes, the most obnoxious people
in the world brag about not owning a TV.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Wait, hold on, did I just brag about it not
watching YouTube?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what's happening with YouTube
right now. When people I don't watch YouTube, there was
a great community. I think Greg Baron had the joke
I don't read books like it just like sounds like it,
just like I don't do technology, I don't do smalls.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I did this? Is it?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Even describing myself as a luddite Like that doesn't fly anywhere.
You can't say that, like this is the age guys,
And by guys, I mean Ellie. But I will say there,
I almost feel like YouTube, it didn't pass me by.
But YouTube started when I don't even know how many
years ago, ten twenty one thousand.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
It started before books. Weirdly, it started in Greecian times.
I think two thousand and nine is sort of like
when it started to really start start, Like I probably
started before then, but like the late twenty tens is
when it really people started to actually take to it.
And have channels and create content.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yes, I'm on Instagram. That's the only social network channel
I'm on. I'm not on Facebook, so I guess those
media are just on own to me. And so it
is like visiting another country. I went on YouTube before
talking to you, but you can really how are people
I'm not. I'm saying this as a genuine It's a
put down to me because I should, Scott, do you
(13:13):
watch you myself?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
This has been an entire interview. Is Ellie just continuing
to dig? I want to hear what come out loves
about YouTube? Like yeah, so why.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I like how it's going. I'll just sit here and
listen to Ellie dig a hole and then at the
end I'll be like, thanks for having me, thanks for
having me.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
My own therapy session. Bye, okay, yes, come what do
you love?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
So I will say this, I didn't always love YouTube.
I think really the pandemic is when it kicked in.
I realize now that most of my content watching is YouTube,
not like Netflix or Hulu. I used to do a
lot of that, and now I will get on a
plane and download YouTube videos and I have to remind
myself watch like regular television, like oh, I should probably
see like that thing that everybody's talking about, because I'm
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just happy to let the algorithm just take me away.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Is that what you do?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Do?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You go by the suggest that the suggestions from YouTube.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
First you just let the algorithm take you away, and
then you go, huh, I really enjoyed this person. I
should go subscribe to this person. And then you start
to find out like, oh, this is the kind of
thing I like. But then you realize at a certain
point the algorithm will always be poking you in different directions,
and it's always trying to get you to engage, so
it's going to send you things that you hate. Like
sometimes YouTube would go you like wkm out bell and
you like criticism. Here's a video criticizing WQM out bell.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I'm like, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
No, no, no no no, you've misunderstood me. But yeah,
what happens is that you find yourself down called the sacks,
where you're like, I had no idea that I would
watch a thirty minute video of some people in an
Asian country making street food for thirty minutes with no words.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Well, truly, what you just described is fantastic. I think
when I think you YouTube and forgive me, I'm always
thinking cats falling asleep or whatever it is that what
you described would be fascinating because that's just real life.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, there's a thing called a slow radio where you're
just sort of listening to something that's not really trying
to engage you. And there's also slow TV, like they
just played a train ride from one city to another.
There's nothing happening, there's no engagement. It's just you just
want to turn on the TV like a friend, like
or like a conversation, and you just want to like
every now and even look up and watch the train.
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And so YouTube has a lot of great slow content
where it's like I'm feeling anxious to say, of the
world is driving me nuts, I don't know how to
fix anything. Wow, I'm gonna watch these people complete their
task of making one hundred thousand eggs Sam, and at
the end I'll feel like I saw something get done
in a world where nothing ever gets done.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yes, and that, in its own way is a triumph.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, that is so satisfying.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
And there's really a lot of creators on YouTube who
are making really complicated work. It's highly edited, that is
shot well and they're just doing it for their audience,
you know. And so for me, I really used to
be like a person like you as condescended to it.
And then you stumble into things where it's like there
are people getting work done here yep, and really like
accomplishing a lot. And it used to be thought it
was like a stepstone to television.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well do YouTubers have they don't operate with agents or
representation or anything, or.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Do they don't have to They do once they get
enough followers, But like there's people who just do it
in their houses. I do explain this to my wife,
which is why I think I'm thinking about this music,
because I was like, do I need to start a
YouTube channel? And it was this if I said, do
I need to learn how to skateboard? Like why would
you do that? Like you're a grown man, You're gonna
learn how to skateboard now. And if I, like, if
I said I think I'm want to be a professional skateboarder,
that's how she reacted and I sat her down. I
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was like, no, let me show you different versions of this.
Some people are literally just sitting in their kitchen talking
to their computers with ums and ahs and sloppy edits,
and you go, this person has like a million followers
and they're making a living.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Some of that I am confounded by. Like I was
reading an article about cleaning your house and like how
those videos are very popular, which I like.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Sorry, there's a whole genre of cleaning your house videos.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Oh isn't there out? Yeah? Yeah. First of all, anything
any words we can put together in a sentence, there
is a genre of that out of antube. I just want
to be there about that. It may not be popular,
but it exists. So yes. I mean I watched a
YouTube video of a guy. He's a professional rug cleaner,
Like this is think about this. This is a guy who
never thought he'd have a YouTube online presence. He's a
professional rug cleaner, and he's like, look at this dirty
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rug we found in a house that caught fire in
a basement. It is soaked with soot. I'm going to
clean it and turn it white again.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yep. I read about this guy.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, think about one of those jobs. You'd be like,
that's the most boring job in the world. And now
this guy has followers and his videos are going viral
because he's cleaning a rug that none of us wants.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
What is that.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I mean, like you said, okay, it's satisfying to see
the completion of a task. It is an escape from,
like you know, just the the hell it is life. Yes,
thank you. I couldn't think of how to put that
into words, but it's true. The state of the.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
World, the increasing escape of the world.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It's the increasing escape of the world. And often when
I have dipped my toe.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Shit Marie Antoinette, having a slice of bread.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Every now and then, I do day into grace the
I feel there's a comfort in seeing people do everyday
things too. I don't know, it's just nice to know
that not everyone is out of their minds. Some people
are cleaning their rugs, some people are mopping the kitchen floor,
and there's comfort there.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, And some people take pride in it, or it's like,
this is what I do every day, so I'm going
to do a good job. And I think a lot
of us you feel like we're not doing a good
job doing the things that we're tasked with doing every day.
It's good to see somebody do a good job. And
then there's a part of YouTube that I enjoy watching
people who are like deep we connected to things, maybe
things I used to like. For example, I used to
read combooks a lot, but then I turned like twenty five,
(19:06):
I was just like, I can't. This isn't paying my rent.
Because I also grew up a time where you were
supposed to stop doing that stuff, and then the generation
right behind me was like, no, you just you just
keep reading comic books.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I was like, oh, you're so mad it skipped you.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, So I gave up comic books because at that
age I was told to give up comic books, but
I held on to some things, like I still wear
T shirts every day, which is like when I was
a kid, an adult man who wore T shirts was
like struggling and you needed to help him find his
way to like the hospital. And now the jerk who
goes to the five star fine dining restaurant in like
a graphic tea and jeans because I can because I'm
an emmy. So you just you're happy I'm.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Here, But that is true. I haven't thought about this
until just now. My husband loves watching product reviews on YouTube.
You know, of gadgets, and people watch them endlessly, and
it's that same thing where you're like, oh, these are
people who they're just so well versed in technology, and
he'll just watch them, even for products that he doesn't have.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, and it sort of tells you that, like things
can be compelling in ways that you don't think they
can be. It doesn't all got to be the Sopranos
and breaking Bad Like. It doesn't. It doesn't all got
to be somebody is just like this person knows more
than me, and they're good at explaining it about a
thing that either I care about or I don't care about,
but they're so compelling. There's a guy I think he's
called the lock picking Lawyer. He just picks locks because
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he's good at it. You don't see his face. He
says this lock, says it's unpickable. He picks it in
about five minutes and he goes, huh, I guess it
was an unpickled And it's just a guy. And he
calls his wife missus lock picking Lawyer. I don't know
if that's their real last name, but it's just the
idea that I can spend two minutes watch this guy
pick a lock and then move on with my day
and feel like I saw again, I saw a thing
(20:43):
get completed by an expert. This is the time right
now where a lot of people run towards the not expert,
Like somebody goes, I don't know anything, so you should
listen to me. And so it feels really good for
me to run to people who actually are the experts
to me.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Come ol. I had no idea that this was a
thing that sort of competence porn of people who are
excellent at their tasks. I need to look at that,
because I only ever went to YouTube as almost like
a reference. So it's like, oh, I want to see
a movie trailer. I just went yesterday because I was
having trouble changing the batteries to my doorbell, and I
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was like, let's change the doorbell battery on YouTube, and
sure enough there's a guy and he's like, here's how
you do it. And I was like, oh, thank you
YouTube guy. And I do that on a weekly basis
where I don't know how to do something and I
have YouTube show me. So as a resource, I found
it useful. But the idea that that same sort of
video is entertainment, I mean, I feel like the scales
(21:40):
are falling from my eyes. I'm going to get sucked
into the lock picking lawyer.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yes, Scott, that's like basically saying I go to the
library for the magazines. What you're doing right now, You're
just you're at the library in the magazine section while
like the greatest books of literature are sitting around. You're
walking past Shakespeare and Tony Morrison and we're like, I
just want to see what Pet's Weekly is up to.
(22:05):
That's allo. So I do what you're saying. I do
that too. Like for example, and this is one of
my favorite videos ever. So one day, my eight year
old we go to the playground and she was maybe
seven at the time. She had a bicycle with training wheels.
She's like, today, we're taking the training wheels off. I
want to learn how to ride a bike. And I'm like, well,
you need a new dad, because that's not my department.
(22:27):
And she's like, no, I want you to teach me
how to ride a bike. And this is my middle kid,
who we call oh, I call him out Junior because
she's all in her head like me. And so we
go to the playground and I suddenly go, wait a minute, YouTube,
and so I look up teaching a kid to ride
a bike and here's the key thing. Quickly, quickly, not
teaching a kid to ride a bike. You gotta be
(22:48):
savvy about this, because that's a four hour video teaching
kid to ride a bay teaching a kid how to
ride a bike quickly. And a video came up that
said teach your kid how to ride a bike in
five minutes, and it probably had less than a thousand views.
And so I watched this board looking white. Dad tell
me with a kid who he claimed didn't know how
to ride a bike, and he said, you do this,
you do this, you do this. Look now he's riding
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a bike. And he was like, not even impressed with himself.
And so I was like, all right, So I said, okay,
come here, come out, Junior. We did this, We did this,
we did this. It took about eight minutes. No, yes
on the trade. She was riding the bicycle.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Now we need to know the steps.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I'm going to look it up and see.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
If I can look it up, because I tried this
summer to teach my seven year old, who we also
call come out junior. Nay, no, we call him James.
And I couldn't. I was like, you got it, just balance,
you got just balance. Threw out my hands in frustration.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
See if I can find a teacher kid to ride
a bike in forty five minutes. That's too long. Come on, man,
here we go. How to ride a bike in less
than five minutes. It's actually got one point nine million views,
so it's been up for ten years by Patrick l.
How to ride a bike in less than five minutes.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
The actual video was short, but it also promises to
teach them how to get how to accomplish this quickly.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
The video is five minutes and two seconds.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
So, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Do you comment on YouTube? You come out?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah? I have? I have as yourself as myself. Yeah,
I'm pretty you know, I'm not like Ellie Kemperer level,
so I can comment.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, oh that Julia Roberts treatment.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah. I mean sometimes I comment and nobody says anything
like wow, come out, belsire. Also, if you watch any
YouTube video, they always ask you to like and subscribe.
You don't have to describe, but always like the video
because it actually helps the algorithm think that people care
about them.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Well, do you think that most of those people are
doing it for the approval for just the joy of
Like that guy again with the dad posting the thing
about teaching your kid how to write a bike. That's
something that would never occur to me. Like, yeah, it
almost feels like he's doing that for the pure purpose
of helping people.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I think he's doing it the way that we're supposed
to do stuff, like I know something that other people
don't know, let me share. Like he probably was the
dad neighborhood who would like teach every kid how to
ride their bike. And I would walk my kid down
to that dad and go, Patrick ll teach you how
to do it. Yeah, But then you go to his
YouTube channel, which I don't think I've ever gone to before.
He's got three thousand, two hundred subscribers, which is like
he's definitely not getting paid. And the latest video is
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called Pumpkin Gives Up and it was posted a year ago.
I don't know what that means Pumpkin gives up, but
it's forty seconds long The Pumpkin Gave Up, and it's
got a thousand views. He's got four videos that's hilarious.
He's got Pumpkin gives Up, How to fitch a stucco
patch two hundred views, PBJ the Pedron Way. I don't
have any idea what that means five minutes long. But
(25:33):
then the other the first video posted ten years he
goes how to ride a bike in less than five minutes.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
One point nine million people have watched that video.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I mean one point nine million views because several of
those are mine.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Hey sh.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
But here's the thing that guy for. They're all they
all seem to be dad related. I think Pumpkin's PBJ.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah yeah yeah. And here's the thing that I think
is so pure about it. He posted that video in viral.
He didn't post for like six more years.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I love I love this man. He's just doing it
to help.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Like that's not like trying to get like a brand
deal or merchandise, because that's what you see too, people
who stumble into viral videos like Charlie at the dentist
where the kids in the back of the car like
sort of like rambling because he's had like you know,
laughing gas and he's like in the back. Yeah, they're
still trying to sell t shirts off of that.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
It's just like, I've got a question for you. Come out.
Because my son, he's nine years old, he got really
into these live stream people just playing video games and
would watch some teenager just playing a video game that
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he doesn't own and had never played him himself.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Right, And it's like, hey, Jack, do you want to
watch a cartoon on the TV, something that that people
have poured their hearts and souls into creating? And it's like, no, No,
I want to watch this kid play MLB the show
twenty eighteen or something. Is that just specific to my
son or I feel like that?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Right? Yeah, it's a whole universe. And first of all,
be very careful because that's how you create in cells.
A lot of that content in cells, like dudes who
are like sort of hate women. Uh, you know, Like
I would say this with my kids, YouTube is a
thing that we do. Like they can watch YouTube, but
it is a thing that either I know exactly what
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they're watching and I've approved preapproved the content, or we're
doing it together. Like let me show you this YouTube video,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It's sort of like six Degrees with Kevin Bacon or whatever.
I'm always terrified that they're just like three clicks away
from a video that explains that gypsies are demons or something.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yep, And I would say they're probably two clicks away.
I wouldn't put three. And this is why it is
like the library. The library also has like books that
are bad that are like like you know, the library
has all the books if it's a good library, and
so you can't just go get any book. It's like, well,
what book are you reading? So I do think it
is it becomes super important as a parent, Like for
my kids, I think it's fine if you want to
(28:07):
watch that thing, but I got to be able to
sit in that room with you every now and again
to just sort of sit through and sort of like
see what's happening.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Are there parental controls? Like I have not used any
parental controls, Like my kids are seven and four. They
might have iPads. Sometimes they stumble onto YouTube. I think
it's all cartoons so.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Far, but it's all cartoons in one hand job.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Well that there is a there's an app called YouTube
Kids that is supposed to be like that. You can
download that it's just kid videos. But YouTube had a
problem where because people are awful, there was a period
of time where YouTube found that some creators were putting
out kid videos and in the middle of it they
put a hand job. So it was just like so
there's and then you do have to respond. This was
about probably five or six years ago. Yeah, so again
(28:52):
I'm not saying all the youtubes.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Okay, So if you were to, if when you go
on your phone and look on YouTube, would you type
in something like, oh, you know, I want to learn
about I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I'm going to close the YouTube app so I can
open it because it's always open, and it just sort
of it pops up. So I've subscribed to a bunch
of things already. So just on my page, there's a
bunch of things that either I have subscribed to or
the algorithm knows that I watch regularly. So like I
do actually get a lot of news. There's a lot
of great news channels on YouTube. So I'll shout out
the Rational National is a very Canadian guy who's got
(29:23):
a channel, and that's where I get most of my
news is YouTube. And I'm scrolling down and there's an
MMA podcast called Borning Combat that I like to do.
This is a great one to see this. I don't
watch professional wrestling at all, but I think the professionally
wrestling content about it is fascinating. People talking about professional
wrestling is fascinating because it's not fake. They make it
(29:44):
clear it's not fake. You would call acting fake. But
they sort of talk about the ins and outs of
the business, and I think that's fascinating. So, like, Jim
Cornette is a wrestling podcaster, and I just think he
talks good about what he knows. Even though I don't
watch professional wrestling at all. Nobody knows that I'm want that,
nobody cares. It doesn't come up in any conversation I'm
having except for this one, and I'm just like, Ooh,
(30:05):
a new gym Cornet video is out.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Oh that's fantastic, because I was gonna ask, how do
you know that something is like legit or well done
versus something that's not like if I so, I like
to run. That's the only thing I ever talked about
on this podcast. It's like a show called Born to Love.
But I love one thing. It's not my family. It's running.
Whenever I like look something up and I don't know
if I'm looking for a way to stretch my hamstring,
(30:28):
I'm like, well, how do I know if this is actually,
you know, verified, if.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
You're looking for like advice content, I think the importance
is verified. But a lot of this is like the
news thing. For example, I watch a video and you
go nope and you clut it off, and then sometimes
you go, don't ever send me this video. YouTube will
be like, oh, you watch part of that video, would
you like to watch fifteen more? No, So you have
to really start to tailor your content and make sure
you're like like, there's been things I've subscribed to, and
(30:52):
then very realize like nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
Point this is well.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
That's what would make me nervous is just that if
it catches you, like even on Instagram, which is a
different platform, obviously, I feel like, wait a minute, I
don't know where this came from. I don't want them
to think that I enjoyed this context. Oh so that's interesting.
They just try to sneak it in any way they can.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah. And so like you have to wead your YouTube garden,
you have to wead your YouTube guarden.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Weading the YouTube garden. Well, come out if you wanted
to help get our garden started for somebody who wants
to dip their toe into it. Is there mixing metaphors
left and right part of the garden? Are there one
or two that you haven't mentioned, because I'm definitely going
to watch the.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Block picking Lawyer, the lock.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Picking Lawyer, and I'm definitely going to look up the
rug cleaner. Are there any others that would be at
the top of your list?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
So I'll give you sort of a mortgage board.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
There's a guy named coffee Zilla. Have either of you
ever heard of coffee Zilla? Nope?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, I'm so old fashioned. I'm writing this on a
piece of paper. I feel like I feel like the
world's most idiotic guy. Coffee Zilla all right.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
He is, I would say, like the number one scam
investigator maybe in the country, but certainly on YouTube, so
like Crypto, NFT, Sam Bankman Freed, but he does in
a way that is super funny and easy to talk about.
He's this guy who lives in Texas somewhere. He calls
himself coffee Zilla. He's sitting against the green screen that
he calls the ten million Dollar Studio because he investigates
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financial scams and it's just super like funny and relatable
and actually has really like broken down some stories about
people who financially scam things in ways that have done
good in the world.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He's actually like an investigative journalist who has probably not
a degree in investigative journalist, just cares a lot. And
coffee Ziel has got over three million followers. So the
fact that you don't know about him says more about
you than it does about coffee Zil.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
One hundred percent it does. Coffee Zilla's got the upper
hand here, Yeah, and I wanted to try to fight that.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
So this is another thing that my kids can't stand
and I sort of play these videos to make them nuts.
It's called Beard meets Food. He's a British dude who
travels America and England doing all all the food challenges
at every restaurant, so like, eat this giant pizza and
we'll give you a free T shirt. He's like, I'm
in and he's super relatable and funny and cute and
(33:11):
also weirdly in good shape even though he's eating like
a giant extra large pizza, and he also like walks in.
He's friendly to people. He's doing it by himself, so
he's setting up like three cameras by himself in a restaurant.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Oh my gosh, did you say beard?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Beard? Because he's got a giant beard Beard meets food
because he's like shoving giant slice the pizza in his
mouth and it's super gross. And I'm like, look, in
ten minutes, he just ate a giant It's the same
thing from the carpets. Ah, it's just a good accomplished yeah.
And then I would say a guy out of Atlanta
(33:48):
named ft Signifier, who's a black dude in Atlanta who
used to be a public school teacher who just does
great breakdowns mostly a black pop culture. He has a
two hour video about how he struggles with his relationship
with Kanye West. But it's just super personal yeah, but
also a smart I think he's sitting in his kitchen
and it's just the kind of guy you'd be like,
I'd like to be friends with that guy and talking
about complicated issues come out.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Thank you for telling us all about YouTube. Thank you
for coming on the show. If you have a minute,
could you stick around and play this fun game we
like to play called Love It or Loathe It.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I'd love too, I'd loathe too.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yay, that's the right answer.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
You.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
You're back with w Camabel to play one of our
favorite games, aka the only game that we ever play.
Called love it or loath it? Come out. We are
going to throw some topics subjects and you're going to
tell us whether you love that thing or you loathe
that thing. There can be no in between. Okay, there's
no great area.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I don't do it in between, So I'm good with
this so far.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You're off to a good start. Okay, come out, love
it or loath it? Legos love it, yes, love it.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Loved it as a kid, love them there as an adult.
To tie it into the main topic, there's actually entire
YouTube channels where people cook food using legos as pretend
food that is super fascinating. It's like stop motion animation
with legos.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
What they're actually preparing things really, but they're using the
legos as the elements of food.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
So it's like they have a raw chicken that is
like a chicken breast, so it's pink legos in the
shape of chicken breast, and then they have a lego
egg that they crack and they have lego flour and
then they dip the raw chicken lego into the into
the batter and then they put it in a skillet
that has that has yellow legos of the like oil
and they cook it. Then they pull the chicken breast
out and now it's brown and it's crusty because it's
(35:45):
been cooked, because it's been fried.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
That is art. It sounds not only delightful just on
a visual level. I would love watching that, yeah, but
it's also I mean the thought put into.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
That and the time, the time. Wow, one of them
T O M O S T. And I'm sorry, I'm
just still talking about YouTube.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
No, I love it. It's the Lego YouTube food maker.
I gotta check it out come out, love it or
loathe it. Listerine hmmm, it's it's it's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I don't use listerine, but I'm gonna go love it
because some people need listerine and I'm glad that exist
in the world. And it is painful that when you
do it. But like this morning, I woke up and
my daughter, my five year old's breath was kicking and oh, yeah, man,
you I would have loved to have some listerine right there.
So they love it. I love it, even though I
don't use it currently.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Well, I love that it's painful because I just imagine
it just like destroying all this bacteria.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Medicine is supposed to hurt a little bit. Otherwise I
don't really believe it.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I love the hydrogen peroxide on the wound, which they
say you're not supposed to.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
What they say, you're not supposed to whatever, Just stop it.
That doesn't hurt at all. I love those bubbles.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I love the other bubbles. Say it's cleaning, it's supposed to.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Does that something we were all hold?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
I don't think it's no. I don't think any scientists
told us. I think our parents told us.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah. Well, it would take a whole team of scientists
to convince me otherwise, because I keep pouring that on
until it stops bubbling.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, that's that's that's medically accurate.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
We're here to say comew and I are here to
tell you what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Is just two non doctors.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Say agree, come out. I love it or loath that.
Imaginary friends love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
It was the guickest.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Continuing this is a song worthy love? Tell us about it.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
So I'm an only child, how would I have gotten
through this life without imaginary friends? I mean, like even
now I talk to people who aren't there in my
house because it's just like I'm just used to like
as an only child, just talking out loud all the time.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Wait, you just again uncovered. My husband's an only child
and he'll come into the apartment sometimes and he's having.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yep, full conversation but there's no one there. No, yes,
there is.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I mean again, as a non psychiatrist, that's healthy, that
feels I guess fine, It's a way to think out loud.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Right, I'm an out loud processor. An I'm an external processor.
My wife is not a fan of that. But if
I have to talk it out outline, I mean, it's
why I'm a stand up. I have to externally process things.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
So when you're talking out like she was, if she
is in the room, are you is she are you
expecting her to respond?
Speaker 3 (38:29):
No, don't interrupt me.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, yeah, don't interrupt me.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I'm I'm in the I wouldn't interrupt you if you
were talking to your best friend.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yes, I've got a question for you. Come out. So
do you find when you speak out loud to yourself,
are you addressing an imaginary person who doesn't exist, or
are you imagining someone in the real world that you're
talking to. Because the only time I ever talked to
myself is when I'm doing angry screeds against people in
my real life who just deserve, you know, my screeds,
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and I'm too cowardly to say it to their face.
So I have imaginary conversations in the shower, like what
I would have said?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Oh, I do that, I know. I mean, I think
every stand up is a stand up because of the
what I would have said thing. I think that is
the basic reason why stand up comedy exists, because it's like,
now I get to say what I would have said,
but I would say. If I'm talking to myself, I'm
sort of having a conversation with the other version of
me that lives outside of me. If that makes me
sound like the sane.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Person, good, yes, No, I understand that.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I'm in dialogue, like, man, you're so stupid. What were
you thinking? Hey, man, I'm doing the best I can.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Oh, but that's so healthy. That's so healthy because then
you are being your own best friend, right. Don't they
always say, to like yourself the advice you would give
us best friends.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
It's an only child. I think there's two different types
of only child. I don't know what type of your
husband is. There's the types that's like, I wish your ahead,
brothers and sister. I feel sorry for those people. I'm
the types. It's like good n fettered access to the
world and television. Was really argue about the television.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Well too late for our kids. Oh well, okay, love
it or love it?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Bruce Lee, Oh come on now, now you're just that was.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Just we want you to win.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, it's funny. Just yesterday my daughter come out Junior
asked me, dead or alive, who would you like to
have a conversation or meet with? And I was like
Bruce Lee and Malcolm X, like just as if it
was one word. So yeah, I've talked about Bruce Lee
so much that the Bruce Lee estate, run by his
daughter Shannon, eventually reached out to me like, hey man,
can you we need to talk to you. And so
now I'm like, I'm friends with his daughter Shannon, which
(40:37):
is like as a as a teenager, if you'd told
me that, I'd been like, I've won life.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
So yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Oh yeah, exactly what would the young come out have thought?
That is incredible.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I mean I told Shannon this, the young come out
would have thought, but are you too married? That's what
the young I've told her this, So your friends, but
how many children do you have? With Bruce Lee's daughter zero?
We have zero?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Hey, love it or loath it? This is a random one.
Middle school dances.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Oh, my daughter's twelve, so there's been like two middle
school dances now, So I mean there was some drama
the last middle school to dance that that I can't
get into because I don't want to take the chance.
But there was like some drama that I was like,
you have just found out that that person is not
your friend? Is how I am.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I was really proud of her because she was like
I was trying to talk her down from being a
grudge holder, but she was like no, And I was like,
oh you get that from me. I'm the king of
the grudge holders. So I was like, well, then we'll
lead into what I would think, that person not your
friend anymore?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Was it a good lesson to have been?
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Like?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Oh, yeah, because my daughter's sort of entering that phase
as well, and it's a true love hate relationship because
of all of the anxiety and stress. But on the
other hand, coming of age kind of yeah, joy.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Again, you don't want to raise a female insel so
I would say yes, I would say I love it,
as long as you guarantee me that after the dance
we're allowed to have a conversation about what happened at
the dance. I love Ooh that's great, but I need
I need the follow up to find out what happened
because I need to I'm always adding to my grudge list.
So do I need to add to my grudge list?
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Maybe I locked them out. I don't remember having dances
till high school. We had mixers.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Everything's earlier now everything.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I had dances in middle school, which I vividly remember
because downstairs at the gym you could play basketball, and
like Ellie is making sad noises because she's just expecting
whatever comes out of my mouth next to be pathetic.
Even before I finished, she's like, oh, oh, Scott.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, she was like out when you said I and
she was like, oh God, not.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
What I was gonna say. Ellie's that all of the
boys were down playing basketball. So it wasn't just me anyway,
Oh including you.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
No, No, Scott, that's that's great. I'm like, I am
so relieved.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
So I remember you as a young younger man, Scott.
It was a horror show. All right, let's let's move
off of this before Ellie hurts my feelings even more.
Come out love it or load that we saved the
best for last bells.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Bells, last name. It's stupid, it's funny. I forget sometimes
that my name actually is a noun for actual thing,
because it's just my last name. And then every now
and again, like you know, somebody, some writer will be
like the bell tolls for come okay, all right? So yeah,
(43:31):
I would say I love bells because I've disconnected them
from my last name, even though they are my last name.
I let bells do their thing. When bells ring, I
don't go that's my name. I don't ever think my
last name. Yeah, it's also a pretty rare last name.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
It's a great last name. It's one syllable, it's simple.
It's bell.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's not. And so there's not a lot
of them, so I think it's like what me and
Lake Bell, I think the only bells in show business.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, and well, we look forward to your teama, whom
the bell Toll collaborate, who the bell Toll?
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Where we play a married couple?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Can that please be your next project? Oh?
Speaker 3 (44:12):
That's I would love.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
To speaking of come out. You have been an absolute
joy to talk to you. Is there any specific project
or piece of work right now that you would like
to promote right now?
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, so my documentary that actually features my family one
thousand percent me growing up mixed. Yeah. So it's really
a personal project because my mom is in it, my
three daughters in it, my mother in law's in it,
which was a crazy thing that she decided to be
in it.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
But I've seen it. It's fantastic. I'm so fascinated by
that moment.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Thank you. I mean, that's a real moment, like those
two had never had any kind of my mother in law,
my mom, I never had any conversation close to that.
It was great. Yeah. So that's on HBO, but it's
on the platform known as Max. So if you haven't
seen it, please check that out. It means a lot
to be with my family and all the other great
kids who are in it.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Correct, And I hardly endorse that promotion. It's so good.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
I think that I hardly endorse that. I hardly endo.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Hi partially and also what I love it's an.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Hour long I mean the HBO one point is like
you can make it out however long you want to.
But if you make it an hour, we can run
it more. And I was like, challenge accepted.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yes, it's great. It has been great talking with you.
This is what Scott. I say this a lot, but
I love it about the show. I discover things I
didn't know that much about that. I feel that I
too will love and I'm about to do some YouTube digging,
So thank you for that come out.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
And also, let me just say this, don't watch those ads.
Just pay for YouTube everybody, if you can, if you
have the ability, then it becomes less about sitting through
ads for scams.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yes, a very good point.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, it's a better use of your money than a
lot of the platforms you're paying for that you haven't watched.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Gosh, anyway, we will pay all right, Scott, I will.
I don't know if Scott.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Will pay for Scott.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, yeah, you owe me after the dance, Scott, you had.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
A lot of traumatic adolescent experience.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
I don't know you've described them yourself anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
All more, thank you so much. It's just been such
a delight. It's an honor to chat with you.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
It's been an ultimate pleasure to be here. Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Thank you, thanks for listening to Born to Love. We'll
be back next week with brand new things that we love.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
We want to hear from you. Leave us a review
in Apple Podcasts and tell us what you love. We
might even ask one of our guests in an upcoming
love it or Load It.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Born to Love is hosted and created by Ellie Kemper
and Scott Ecker.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Our executive producer is Aaron Cofman. Our producers are Shina
Ozaki and Zoe Danklab.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Born to Love is part of Will Ferrell's Big Money
Players Network in collaboration with iHeart Podcasts. Special thanks to
Hans Sonny.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Rachel Kaplan and Adrianna Cassiano
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Michael Fails, Alex Coral, and Baheed Frazier
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