May 2, 2025 • 22 mins
This week, join Rachel Zoe as she takes you through the do's and don'ts of wedding guest attire! What brands does the style queen suggest shopping and who are her favorite bridal muses? Tune in and find out!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel So and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour inspiration and
of course it's fun. It's that time of year when
wedding season has officially begun and all the what should
I wear A questions start rolling into my dms, and
instead of focusing on bridal fashion, which can be very
(00:28):
personal and specific, I thought this week I would focus on.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What to wear as a wedding guest.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Back to help me is my ever always amazing, dazzling,
beautiful producer Mary Elizabeth. So let's dive right into wedding
season styling. And by the way, the fact that she
thinks we won't talk about bridle gowns is crazy, So
we will touch.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
On I don't want the bride. I mean, let's just
kick it off. Tis this season for the wedding invites
to be rolling in. I am in the season of
my life where I'm past the six to seven wedding
commitments a year or summer.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
My nephew has eleven yeah weddings this year and actually
all destination.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yes, I think from the ages of like twenty six
to thirty two, I couldn't a fortification because I was
attending as many weddings as I as I could.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Can you make them vacations though, Like.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
If they're a destination wedding, you can definitely tack on
a day or two before or after.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's also the time of your life where you're working,
like you can't just take time off.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And let's be honest, like if it's in NAPA, right, Like,
am I gonna burn a day off to be a NAPA? Right?
Maybe if I don't really want to be?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
You know, right, totally.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
So it's you're at the mercy of wherever you've been
invited to.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But these greattinations that I'm hearing now are like all
over Italy every budget, by the way, they're not. What
I'm actually is, it's weirdly more cost effective very often to.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Do destination I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, I mean maybe you just keep the number so small.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, well it's an edit that is sure.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's going to eliminate some but then some.
But again, you know, you and I were just talking
about this. It's when you have big life events, it's
shocking who you invite that you think are absolutely shoe
ins that can't or aren't able to come, and then
the people on the list that are you know, maybe
not as priority will show up and half of the
best time so you never know. But wedding season is here.
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Everyone has RSVP'd. There's a lot of questions always on
social media for you this time of year about not
only the brides but wedding guests mostly.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
It's a tough it's a tough conversation because there's so
many variables and I've seen it go wrong. Yeah, I've
seen on more than ten occasion the guests showing up
in white, which.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
To me is common sense, but.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Like, maybe it's not. And I you know, it's funny.
Someone texted me a picture. They were in Palm Beach
and they were texting me what I thought of something
to go to a wedding in Palm Beach And it
was white with like metallic like fringe and crystals and whatever.
And I'm like, but it's white. She's like, yeah, but
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it's not because it has so many crystals and stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I'm like, no, do white the bride. Let me tell
you what. The bride won't care. It'll be white to her.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
White.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Okay, let's jump into some questions people have about going
to weddings they've been invited. Sometimes there's you know, a
tire listed, sometimes there's not. So let's just break it down.
What does cocktail attire mean? If the wedding invite says
cocktail attire, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I think till means they want you to dress up, right,
Please dress up? Don't look regular. This is not a
regular day. Please dress up for us. But like, feel
free to wear short. Like to me, when I hear cocktail,
it means you can wear short. It means you can
wear any length of dress. Yes, okay, it means you
can wear any length of dress. It means you could
wear like a dressy tuxedo, like a white suit.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It means to look polished and whatever your interpretation of
that is. Please don't wear sneakers, right, Please don't wear jeans, right,
you know what I mean? And like, put some effort
in and dress up for us. But you don't have
to be formal, gotcha, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And there's a huge gray area there. Yeah, you could also.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Wear long, but the difference there would be you're not
wearing a train for cocktail.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You could wear flowy, but I would wear your hair down. Yeah,
and I would wear like fun jewelry, not like your
diamond necklace, right if you should have one, if.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You should wear fau diamond necklace. Yeah, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Okay, So what does cocktail attire mean for men? Because okay,
as most of our listeners know, you're also you're not
only dressing yourself but a wedding, but you're dressing your
plus one usually totally.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I would say cocktail for men means no tie. Okay
to me, that's no tie, yep, formal is tie?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
So like a suit, a nice crisp shirt, uh huh,
but no no tie.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You also don't have to wear a white shirt, right.
That could be like a navy jacket and a blue shirt.
It could be a pink shirt and a white jacket.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Depends on the vent.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
When I say there's so many variables, it's like, Okay,
are you in cocktail at a beach?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Right? You in the city? Are you in Italy? Like?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Because all of those things weigh in, right, because cocktail
when you're in Italy on the Amalfi Coast, like, you
should wear a print, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Like to me, cocktail the type of clothes don't change
based on the venue. Just the fabric will change, right, sure,
Like a man can wear a suit if it's a
cocktail at the beach or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
But wear cocktail for a man, you wear a jacket, Yes,
you wear a jacket. You can wear kackis. You can
wear trousers and like driving loafers or something.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It's like a drop a nicer shoe. Yes, yes, Okay,
that clears that up. Now, what does black tie or
formal mean when it's on an imitation?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
So black tie means tuxedo means a tux.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Black tie is a tux. Now, I do think there is.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Some room for guys to wear a black suit with
a black tie and not a bow tie. Right, But
black tie is your most formal.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yep, formal the Great Gatsby correct.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Formal is a full suit and tie for a guy.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
For a woman, black tie means full gown, gown, gown long,
not short. You're not wearing not midi.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
No, but you can.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Wear midi if it's fabulous, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Like?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You can because there is like no midi sun dress
like Kuriti car acts actual like sequence or sparkle of sorts,
speeded something. A very dressy dress does not have to
have a train necessarily, but you are your most dressed
whatever that is. Like even if you look back at
the Great Gatsby.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
A lot of those were right, they were many MIDI right,
so yeah, but it just means not short in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Got it? So black tie?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I don't know, I'll be honest with you. In La
I see short for black tie all the time. So
I also think it depends on where you live. In Paris,
in London, in Europe, you're not wearing short to a
black tie, right, yeah, calamarian, Yeah, I mean I have
literally seen people wear jeans to a black tie.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh yeah, shook me out.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah that's not great. No, so when you see black tie,
you go full gown?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, full stop.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah I am in a gown for a black tie
for sure, exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I also think it's a great way to like.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Look at it as like a moment, you know, like
how often do you get to do that? I mean
some people more than others, of course, but like it's
a moment. And I would say formal is one notch
down from black tie. I think formal gives you a
little more room for interpretation.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But the idea with formal is please dress up very much.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yes, yeah, yeah, be dressy yes, okay, other than wearing white.
What do you think are some don'ts or wedding guest
faux pause that you've seen in your life?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Anything that reads bridle?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, Like anything that reads that sort of like lacey. Yeah,
Like don't wear a pink lace gown. Yep, like a
blush pink lace gown. I have seen someone wear like
a beautiful dulce gown with the train to a wedding. Yep,
it's a bridal gown that happens to be blushed pink.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I think that's a.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Little, very nice, little but because I will even ask
sometimes what the bridesmaids are wearing, because I've had an
experience that I come looking like a bootleg bridesmaid because
I'm wearing, you know, a navy whatever, and they're a
navy too, So I think that for women you should
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ask that too.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I mean, I think the more information you have about
the bride and what the bridal party is doing, the
better if you are.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Have you ever heard don't wear red to a wedding?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
No? I have not.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I saw that recently online. Yeah, to avoid wearing red
at a wedding. I don't know, maybe it calls too
much attention to yourself or maybe it's bad, like bad juju.
I don't know, but I saw like, oh, don't wear that.
It's red. You shouldn't wear red.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And I was like, Oh, that's wild.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
That's interesting. So maybe avoid white and red.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Wow, Okay, No, I haven't heard that, but I mean, yeah,
I guess it does call attention.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, I mean I guess red does, and maybe, you know,
in a good way and in a bad way, So
I kind of get that. Okay, you were talking about
this earlier, But opera gloves are very much back on
the red carp but ar and they're back in the
bridal world there.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
But I don't think they ever left. I think it's
so chic.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Oh really, Okay, I mean I guess they left.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
They come and go, but I think I see European
brides wearing gloves.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But I'm very I'm very.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Strange about bridal things because that's where like my classic
traditionalism comes out, because that day, to me, is not
a trendy day.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
It's not a day to fall victim to what's trending.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
It's really like, when I think about anything bridal, whether
it's the wedding or anything else, what are you you
are going to look back at these pictures for the
rest of your life?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yes, forever?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
What are you going to love forever? And not? Listen?
Not everybody knows that, but I think you go to.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The Grace Kelly's of the world, Like, yes, you go
to those iconic like Kate Middleton moments, you know, and
you look at like, what are your most iconic favorite
bridal moments in history? Yeah, and pull off that right
if that resonates with you, because you also could be
Gwen Stefani and wear like a gradiated pink right Vivian Westwood,
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which was epic, right, it was a bit rock and roll,
it was, and that's true to her and by the way,
like she's still like that, So clearly I kind of
feel like you have to be true to you and
whoever you are at the court. But I guess my
point is, think long and hard about it. I'm also
very traditional about rings because they're forever, So when it
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comes to forever things, I'm very I would say I'm traditional.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You're trend averse. What's the veil that's like the cap veil,
the one from yeah or No, but like the short
ones that are like very like forties retro but like
doing somewhere Mad Hatter right to like Reese Witherspoon and
Sweet Came Alabama.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That kind of veil. I think you should just do it,
because again, when else are you doing it?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Wear a veil?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah? Where the gloves? Where are the tiara?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Where the tir? Where the gloves? Wear the veil?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah? If that feels right for you, because again you
have to look back to your point. But if you're
questioning it, yeah, just do it.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Just do it?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Okay? That's when?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
When else are you wearing gloves a tiara in a veil? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Never unless you like, well, unless you get married again yeah,
or you're an actor and you dress up a lot. Okay,
So you're a guest for a wedding, it says cocktail.
What are some of your go to brands that you
would suggest for people to look as wedding guests?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean, listen, it's all about budget, right, Yet I
have to say, I have to say.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You have four and a summer and you are on
a tighter budget.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I have to tell you I have helped so many
people find dresses for weddings. I have also I don't
know if you know this, but one of my clients
is my sister Pamela.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Oh, yes, I do that, and my mother, but my
most challenging.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yes, but my sister.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Is always on a budget and she has found some
incredible dresses. And I think because of the wonderful thing
we call shopping on the internet. Yes, yes, there are
so many incredible resources to find your dream dress and
then shot like search around at different sites to find
the dress. And my sister, yes, and so many things
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are on such seal and all these things so you
can get dream dresses at great markdowns at any time,
because wedding guest dresses are pretty seasonless for the most part.
Depending but I love Alc. Alc is great and ranges
in pricing. Chummy, your momo is excellent on a budget
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or not. They have incredible like sparkly dresses, they have
great guest of they have great bridesmaids dresses. Show me
your mimo is incredible and so reasonable. I love I
would say Zara because I love Zara as a go
to the problem is there might be a lot of
other people at the wedding wearing the dress.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, that's a really good point.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
There's that brand Bronx and Bunco. I believe it's called
the ANC.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I don't know if I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Revolve is a great resource or guest of wedding dresses.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I'll say your office. Our team is also big, big
fans of shopping on the real reel for something vintage.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Actually, I want to talk about that reel is amazing
because you can get your dream dress and be great
the environments yep, at a great price. Shoes as well,
and jewelry and bags. Also rent the runway any places
like that. Janet Mandel. Here in La New York Chicago,
there's a lot of people that have rental.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Houses now for events like this.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Because especially in your late twenties, mid to late twenties,
you're rolling with the same group of people to most
of these events. You can't you don't want to wear
the same dress every time.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah right, yep.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I think there's some grace for repeat totally, but ideally
you want to wear it one.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
You don't want the you don't want the friend group
picture to look the same at everybody's wedding now because
everyone's wearing the same thing. No, those are great, Those
are great options. I also love that brand Study. They've
got really cute guests, and I think they do a
little bridal collection.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Stott is great, I know the founder, and then also
kult Gaya is.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Oh yeah, there's gorgeous to but it reaches a price,
it does.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It really does arrange in price, and I find a
lot of these designers start in the twos and go
up obviously way higher. But yeah, I think you can
get a beautiful dress for you know, for the prece
you're looking for for sure, oh for everyone.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Okay, let's leave the listeners with some bridal inspoll. Okay,
So we were talking about Sofia Ritchie's wedding, yes last year, Yes,
which if you didn't see it, you might be living
under a rock.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You are living under something.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But she was married at Rachel's dream location, yes, Hotel
two cop in the south of France on the French Riviera.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
God help me.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
She wore a custom channel eight of them. Yeah, yeah,
she had multiple and she.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Was just the most flushing, beautiful, beautiful bride. To be honest,
I think the thing that was so epic about Sophia
and Listen. I've known Sophia since she was three years old.
She is a wonderful, kind, sweet, beautiful girl woman, young woman,
now married and about to have a baby, to have
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a baby. But she approached her wedding the way you
dream too, which is blissfully happy. She's madly in love
with her husband, as one should be. But there was
an overall tone to her wedding weekend which was this
very like Bardeux on the French riviera. But more importantly,
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there was an effortlessness to every single look she wore,
and I think that was clearly her.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Intention, I think.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Was to not be this fussy, uptight bridal looks. I
think it was really meant to be historical, classic, obviously
very French for French riviera, chanel all over the place,
and it was magical and it was.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Done flawless, really flawless.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Okay, So who were some of your other like bridal icons.
I mean, Carolyn Bassett Kennedy Listen was a whole movement.
I feel like in the nineties minimal.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Carolyn Bessett Kennedy also wore gloves, didn't she I think
she might have warn Gloves.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
With her right love dress.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I'm pretty sure she did.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
But I have to say the thing about the thing
about Carolyn Bessett Kennedy makes she rest in peace because
still one of the most tragic things ever happened.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
But she literally yes, you were sheer gloves.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And the thing about Krolyn Bassett, She's everything I'm not.
And I think that's why I was so obsessed with
her and her look because it.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Was like barely any makeup.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, the most simple, beautiful bride of Like it's just iconic.
And I think she was iconic in the polar opposite
way of like, you know, when we saw Kate Middleton
with her.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I want to say, it's it's the junct juxtaposition of
like they are American loyalty and to have such a simplistic, classic, clean,
minimal look and feel.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Is is cool.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's just cool, like, so don't forget.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
At that time, I think it was late nineties, was
also the Cape Moss era and Kate Moss would wear
like a John Golliano or a Calvin Klein, you know,
slip dress with her hair just like she wrote back. Yeah,
and beautiful little kitten heels or whatever, and yeah, like
that's it and like a sheer gloss call it a
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day for a red lip, matt red lip, you know,
and so epically beautiful.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
But I think those are iconic moments.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I think when you think of Grace Kelly, I know
I do when I think of Kate Middleton.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
When I think of.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Well and Grace Kelly, I mean, you were at Paris
Hilton's wedding, yes, and that Oscar de la Reenta was there.
It looked to be very inspired by it was, and
Fernando and Laura Kim designed that for Paris along with
so many of her other looks that night, and I.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Was there and she was legitimately flawless. She was the
most beautiful, like handy, glowing angel of a bride and
that dress was absolute perfection. It was a dream and
it was a Grace Kelly moment. And that's, by the way,
that's what she was going for. And truthfully, like I
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couldn't have imagined a more perfect moment for her, Like
it's what she should look like, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Okay, I'm gonna close it out with this question for you,
who in the world of entertainment or pop culture or
fashion or whatever, has not been a bride yet that
you're excited to see as a bride one.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Day, Zendeo. I think she's gonna have a moment of moments. Yeah,
and I would imagine the train would be Cathedral L.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Because I mean, you do get the sense with her
that she really loves it and appreciates going for it,
So you know, she would.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Write it every turn if you're not doing it because
it is too much work.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, it's a lot much.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It's a lot work. And yes, to answer your question,
I don't think Sanna Miller's ever been a bride yet
that I know of, but my hair hero forever.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Always pulled a picture of her recent blonde for you.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Oh god, I love her blonde. She's good.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Sienna is our ultimate cool girl.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Ultimate cool girl. Okay, Well, I hope we were able
to impart some knowledge wisdom help on everyone who is
trying to get themselves dressed and as we mentioned, their
partner's dressed for wedding season coming up. So good luck
out there. And you know, like Rachel said, don't wear white,
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just don't wear white.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Thanks everybody, Okay, everyone, I hope this episode helped answer
some of your wedding fashion questions or provided you with
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Speaker 3 (22:27):
I will talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
More
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel So and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour inspiration and
of course it's fun. It's that time of year when
wedding season has officially begun and all the what should
I wear A questions start rolling into my dms, and
instead of focusing on bridal fashion, which can be very
(00:28):
personal and specific, I thought this week I would focus on.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What to wear as a wedding guest.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Back to help me is my ever always amazing, dazzling,
beautiful producer Mary Elizabeth. So let's dive right into wedding
season styling. And by the way, the fact that she
thinks we won't talk about bridle gowns is crazy, So
we will touch.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
On I don't want the bride. I mean, let's just
kick it off. Tis this season for the wedding invites
to be rolling in. I am in the season of
my life where I'm past the six to seven wedding
commitments a year or summer.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
My nephew has eleven yeah weddings this year and actually
all destination.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yes, I think from the ages of like twenty six
to thirty two, I couldn't a fortification because I was
attending as many weddings as I as I could.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Can you make them vacations though, Like.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
If they're a destination wedding, you can definitely tack on
a day or two before or after.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's also the time of your life where you're working,
like you can't just take time off.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And let's be honest, like if it's in NAPA, right, Like,
am I gonna burn a day off to be a NAPA? Right?
Maybe if I don't really want to be?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
You know, right, totally.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
So it's you're at the mercy of wherever you've been
invited to.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But these greattinations that I'm hearing now are like all
over Italy every budget, by the way, they're not. What
I'm actually is, it's weirdly more cost effective very often to.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Do destination I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, I mean maybe you just keep the number so small.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, well it's an edit that is sure.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's going to eliminate some but then some.
But again, you know, you and I were just talking
about this. It's when you have big life events, it's
shocking who you invite that you think are absolutely shoe
ins that can't or aren't able to come, and then
the people on the list that are you know, maybe
not as priority will show up and half of the
best time so you never know. But wedding season is here.
(02:37):
Everyone has RSVP'd. There's a lot of questions always on
social media for you this time of year about not
only the brides but wedding guests mostly.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
It's a tough it's a tough conversation because there's so
many variables and I've seen it go wrong. Yeah, I've
seen on more than ten occasion the guests showing up
in white, which.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
To me is common sense, but.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Like, maybe it's not. And I you know, it's funny.
Someone texted me a picture. They were in Palm Beach
and they were texting me what I thought of something
to go to a wedding in Palm Beach And it
was white with like metallic like fringe and crystals and whatever.
And I'm like, but it's white. She's like, yeah, but
(03:29):
it's not because it has so many crystals and stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I'm like, no, do white the bride. Let me tell
you what. The bride won't care. It'll be white to her.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
White.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Okay, let's jump into some questions people have about going
to weddings they've been invited. Sometimes there's you know, a
tire listed, sometimes there's not. So let's just break it down.
What does cocktail attire mean? If the wedding invite says
cocktail attire, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I think till means they want you to dress up, right,
Please dress up? Don't look regular. This is not a
regular day. Please dress up for us. But like, feel
free to wear short. Like to me, when I hear cocktail,
it means you can wear short. It means you can
wear any length of dress. Yes, okay, it means you
can wear any length of dress. It means you could
wear like a dressy tuxedo, like a white suit.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It means to look polished and whatever your interpretation of
that is. Please don't wear sneakers, right, Please don't wear jeans, right,
you know what I mean? And like, put some effort
in and dress up for us. But you don't have
to be formal, gotcha, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And there's a huge gray area there. Yeah, you could also.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Wear long, but the difference there would be you're not
wearing a train for cocktail.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You could wear flowy, but I would wear your hair down. Yeah,
and I would wear like fun jewelry, not like your
diamond necklace, right if you should have one, if.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You should wear fau diamond necklace. Yeah, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Okay, So what does cocktail attire mean for men? Because okay,
as most of our listeners know, you're also you're not
only dressing yourself but a wedding, but you're dressing your
plus one usually totally.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I would say cocktail for men means no tie. Okay
to me, that's no tie, yep, formal is tie?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
So like a suit, a nice crisp shirt, uh huh,
but no no tie.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You also don't have to wear a white shirt, right.
That could be like a navy jacket and a blue shirt.
It could be a pink shirt and a white jacket.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Depends on the vent.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
When I say there's so many variables, it's like, Okay,
are you in cocktail at a beach?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Right? You in the city? Are you in Italy? Like?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Because all of those things weigh in, right, because cocktail
when you're in Italy on the Amalfi Coast, like, you
should wear a print, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Like to me, cocktail the type of clothes don't change
based on the venue. Just the fabric will change, right, sure,
Like a man can wear a suit if it's a
cocktail at the beach or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
But wear cocktail for a man, you wear a jacket, Yes,
you wear a jacket. You can wear kackis. You can
wear trousers and like driving loafers or something.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It's like a drop a nicer shoe. Yes, yes, Okay,
that clears that up. Now, what does black tie or
formal mean when it's on an imitation?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
So black tie means tuxedo means a tux.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Black tie is a tux. Now, I do think there is.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Some room for guys to wear a black suit with
a black tie and not a bow tie. Right, But
black tie is your most formal.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yep, formal the Great Gatsby correct.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Formal is a full suit and tie for a guy.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
For a woman, black tie means full gown, gown, gown long,
not short. You're not wearing not midi.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
No, but you can.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Wear midi if it's fabulous, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Like?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You can because there is like no midi sun dress
like Kuriti car acts actual like sequence or sparkle of sorts,
speeded something. A very dressy dress does not have to
have a train necessarily, but you are your most dressed
whatever that is. Like even if you look back at
the Great Gatsby.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
A lot of those were right, they were many MIDI right,
so yeah, but it just means not short in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Got it? So black tie?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I don't know, I'll be honest with you. In La
I see short for black tie all the time. So
I also think it depends on where you live. In Paris,
in London, in Europe, you're not wearing short to a
black tie, right, yeah, calamarian, Yeah, I mean I have
literally seen people wear jeans to a black tie.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh yeah, shook me out.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah that's not great. No, so when you see black tie,
you go full gown?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, full stop.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah I am in a gown for a black tie
for sure, exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I also think it's a great way to like.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Look at it as like a moment, you know, like
how often do you get to do that? I mean
some people more than others, of course, but like it's
a moment. And I would say formal is one notch
down from black tie. I think formal gives you a
little more room for interpretation.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But the idea with formal is please dress up very much.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yes, yeah, yeah, be dressy yes, okay, other than wearing white.
What do you think are some don'ts or wedding guest
faux pause that you've seen in your life?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Anything that reads bridle?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, Like anything that reads that sort of like lacey. Yeah,
Like don't wear a pink lace gown. Yep, like a
blush pink lace gown. I have seen someone wear like
a beautiful dulce gown with the train to a wedding. Yep,
it's a bridal gown that happens to be blushed pink.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I think that's a.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Little, very nice, little but because I will even ask
sometimes what the bridesmaids are wearing, because I've had an
experience that I come looking like a bootleg bridesmaid because
I'm wearing, you know, a navy whatever, and they're a
navy too, So I think that for women you should
(09:27):
ask that too.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I mean, I think the more information you have about
the bride and what the bridal party is doing, the
better if you are.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Have you ever heard don't wear red to a wedding?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
No? I have not.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I saw that recently online. Yeah, to avoid wearing red
at a wedding. I don't know, maybe it calls too
much attention to yourself or maybe it's bad, like bad juju.
I don't know, but I saw like, oh, don't wear that.
It's red. You shouldn't wear red.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And I was like, Oh, that's wild.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
That's interesting. So maybe avoid white and red.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Wow, Okay, No, I haven't heard that, but I mean, yeah,
I guess it does call attention.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, I mean I guess red does, and maybe, you know,
in a good way and in a bad way, So
I kind of get that. Okay, you were talking about
this earlier, But opera gloves are very much back on
the red carp but ar and they're back in the
bridal world there.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
But I don't think they ever left. I think it's
so chic.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Oh really, Okay, I mean I guess they left.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
They come and go, but I think I see European
brides wearing gloves.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But I'm very I'm very.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Strange about bridal things because that's where like my classic
traditionalism comes out, because that day, to me, is not
a trendy day.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
It's not a day to fall victim to what's trending.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
It's really like, when I think about anything bridal, whether
it's the wedding or anything else, what are you you
are going to look back at these pictures for the
rest of your life?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yes, forever?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
What are you going to love forever? And not? Listen?
Not everybody knows that, but I think you go to.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The Grace Kelly's of the world, Like, yes, you go
to those iconic like Kate Middleton moments, you know, and
you look at like, what are your most iconic favorite
bridal moments in history? Yeah, and pull off that right
if that resonates with you, because you also could be
Gwen Stefani and wear like a gradiated pink right Vivian Westwood,
(11:43):
which was epic, right, it was a bit rock and roll,
it was, and that's true to her and by the way,
like she's still like that, So clearly I kind of
feel like you have to be true to you and
whoever you are at the court. But I guess my
point is, think long and hard about it. I'm also
very traditional about rings because they're forever, So when it
(12:06):
comes to forever things, I'm very I would say I'm traditional.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You're trend averse. What's the veil that's like the cap veil,
the one from yeah or No, but like the short
ones that are like very like forties retro but like
doing somewhere Mad Hatter right to like Reese Witherspoon and
Sweet Came Alabama.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That kind of veil. I think you should just do it,
because again, when else are you doing it?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Wear a veil?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah? Where the gloves? Where are the tiara?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Where the tir? Where the gloves? Wear the veil?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah? If that feels right for you, because again you
have to look back to your point. But if you're
questioning it, yeah, just do it.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Just do it?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Okay? That's when?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
When else are you wearing gloves a tiara in a veil? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Never unless you like, well, unless you get married again yeah,
or you're an actor and you dress up a lot. Okay,
So you're a guest for a wedding, it says cocktail.
What are some of your go to brands that you
would suggest for people to look as wedding guests?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean, listen, it's all about budget, right, Yet I
have to say, I have to say.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You have four and a summer and you are on
a tighter budget.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I have to tell you I have helped so many
people find dresses for weddings. I have also I don't
know if you know this, but one of my clients
is my sister Pamela.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Oh, yes, I do that, and my mother, but my
most challenging.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yes, but my sister.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Is always on a budget and she has found some
incredible dresses. And I think because of the wonderful thing
we call shopping on the internet. Yes, yes, there are
so many incredible resources to find your dream dress and
then shot like search around at different sites to find
the dress. And my sister, yes, and so many things
(13:51):
are on such seal and all these things so you
can get dream dresses at great markdowns at any time,
because wedding guest dresses are pretty seasonless for the most part.
Depending but I love Alc. Alc is great and ranges
in pricing. Chummy, your momo is excellent on a budget
(14:13):
or not. They have incredible like sparkly dresses, they have
great guest of they have great bridesmaids dresses. Show me
your mimo is incredible and so reasonable. I love I
would say Zara because I love Zara as a go
to the problem is there might be a lot of
other people at the wedding wearing the dress.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, that's a really good point.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
There's that brand Bronx and Bunco. I believe it's called
the ANC.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I don't know if I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Revolve is a great resource or guest of wedding dresses.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I'll say your office. Our team is also big, big
fans of shopping on the real reel for something vintage.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Actually, I want to talk about that reel is amazing
because you can get your dream dress and be great
the environments yep, at a great price. Shoes as well,
and jewelry and bags. Also rent the runway any places
like that. Janet Mandel. Here in La New York Chicago,
there's a lot of people that have rental.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Houses now for events like this.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Because especially in your late twenties, mid to late twenties,
you're rolling with the same group of people to most
of these events. You can't you don't want to wear
the same dress every time.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah right, yep.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I think there's some grace for repeat totally, but ideally
you want to wear it one.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
You don't want the you don't want the friend group
picture to look the same at everybody's wedding now because
everyone's wearing the same thing. No, those are great, Those
are great options. I also love that brand Study. They've
got really cute guests, and I think they do a
little bridal collection.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Stott is great, I know the founder, and then also
kult Gaya is.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Oh yeah, there's gorgeous to but it reaches a price,
it does.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It really does arrange in price, and I find a
lot of these designers start in the twos and go
up obviously way higher. But yeah, I think you can
get a beautiful dress for you know, for the prece
you're looking for for sure, oh for everyone.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Okay, let's leave the listeners with some bridal inspoll. Okay,
So we were talking about Sofia Ritchie's wedding, yes last year, Yes,
which if you didn't see it, you might be living
under a rock.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You are living under something.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But she was married at Rachel's dream location, yes, Hotel
two cop in the south of France on the French Riviera.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
God help me.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
She wore a custom channel eight of them. Yeah, yeah,
she had multiple and she.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Was just the most flushing, beautiful, beautiful bride. To be honest,
I think the thing that was so epic about Sophia
and Listen. I've known Sophia since she was three years old.
She is a wonderful, kind, sweet, beautiful girl woman, young woman,
now married and about to have a baby, to have
(17:04):
a baby. But she approached her wedding the way you
dream too, which is blissfully happy. She's madly in love
with her husband, as one should be. But there was
an overall tone to her wedding weekend which was this
very like Bardeux on the French riviera. But more importantly,
(17:29):
there was an effortlessness to every single look she wore,
and I think that was clearly her.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Intention, I think.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Was to not be this fussy, uptight bridal looks. I
think it was really meant to be historical, classic, obviously
very French for French riviera, chanel all over the place,
and it was magical and it was.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Done flawless, really flawless.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Okay, So who were some of your other like bridal icons.
I mean, Carolyn Bassett Kennedy Listen was a whole movement.
I feel like in the nineties minimal.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Carolyn Bessett Kennedy also wore gloves, didn't she I think
she might have warn Gloves.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
With her right love dress.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I'm pretty sure she did.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
But I have to say the thing about the thing
about Carolyn Bessett Kennedy makes she rest in peace because
still one of the most tragic things ever happened.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
But she literally yes, you were sheer gloves.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And the thing about Krolyn Bassett, She's everything I'm not.
And I think that's why I was so obsessed with
her and her look because it.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Was like barely any makeup.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, the most simple, beautiful bride of Like it's just iconic.
And I think she was iconic in the polar opposite
way of like, you know, when we saw Kate Middleton
with her.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I want to say, it's it's the junct juxtaposition of
like they are American loyalty and to have such a simplistic, classic, clean,
minimal look and feel.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Is is cool.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's just cool, like, so don't forget.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
At that time, I think it was late nineties, was
also the Cape Moss era and Kate Moss would wear
like a John Golliano or a Calvin Klein, you know,
slip dress with her hair just like she wrote back. Yeah,
and beautiful little kitten heels or whatever, and yeah, like
that's it and like a sheer gloss call it a
(19:38):
day for a red lip, matt red lip, you know,
and so epically beautiful.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
But I think those are iconic moments.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I think when you think of Grace Kelly, I know
I do when I think of Kate Middleton.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
When I think of.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Well and Grace Kelly, I mean, you were at Paris
Hilton's wedding, yes, and that Oscar de la Reenta was there.
It looked to be very inspired by it was, and
Fernando and Laura Kim designed that for Paris along with
so many of her other looks that night, and I.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Was there and she was legitimately flawless. She was the
most beautiful, like handy, glowing angel of a bride and
that dress was absolute perfection. It was a dream and
it was a Grace Kelly moment. And that's, by the way,
that's what she was going for. And truthfully, like I
(20:32):
couldn't have imagined a more perfect moment for her, Like
it's what she should look like, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Okay, I'm gonna close it out with this question for you,
who in the world of entertainment or pop culture or
fashion or whatever, has not been a bride yet that
you're excited to see as a bride one.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Day, Zendeo. I think she's gonna have a moment of moments. Yeah,
and I would imagine the train would be Cathedral L.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Because I mean, you do get the sense with her
that she really loves it and appreciates going for it,
So you know, she would.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Write it every turn if you're not doing it because
it is too much work.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, it's a lot much.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It's a lot work. And yes, to answer your question,
I don't think Sanna Miller's ever been a bride yet
that I know of, but my hair hero forever.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Always pulled a picture of her recent blonde for you.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Oh god, I love her blonde. She's good.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Sienna is our ultimate cool girl.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Ultimate cool girl. Okay, Well, I hope we were able
to impart some knowledge wisdom help on everyone who is
trying to get themselves dressed and as we mentioned, their
partner's dressed for wedding season coming up. So good luck
out there. And you know, like Rachel said, don't wear white,
(21:53):
just don't wear white.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Thanks everybody, Okay, everyone, I hope this episode helped answer
some of your wedding fashion questions or provided you with
a little inspiration. Thank you so much for listening to
Climbing in Heels. If you haven't already, please subscribe to
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Speaker 3 (22:27):
I will talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
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